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spivbdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+me/+commentedbugs?orderby=-date_last_updated  ?06:46
stdinor that longer version, yeah :p06:46
spiv(Which you can get to from the "List commented bugs" link on your bugs page, then sort by "recently changed")06:47
bdmurrayOkay, I found the bug but come to find out I didn't comment on it just set the status and importance.06:48
bdmurrayI found it via other means06:48
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Hobbseemorning carlos!08:49
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jonathan_I have questions regarding gobby09:17
ubotuNew bug: #148425 in rosetta "Report import warnings to uploader" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14842509:25
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ubotuNew bug: #148430 in rosetta "Language pack selection must be set automatically" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14843009:40
ubotuNew bug: #148431 in rosetta "Language pack export code should use always the start time to refer to that export" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14843109:40
yeagerwhat happened with the new xubuntu-docs?09:43
ubotuNew bug: #148433 in rosetta "Allow differerent language packs running at the same time" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14843309:45
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jonathan_hi yeager sorry i don't know launchpad yet09:58
mdkeyeager: in what way?10:00
carlosyeager: they are waiting to be approved, we just got them yesterday10:01
carlosmdke: do you know whether all them must be approved or there is anyone that should be ignored like in ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs ?10:02
carlosmdke: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xubuntu-docs/+imports10:02
carlosmdke: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xubuntu-docs/+imports10:02
mdkeyeah, I saw them. I think they are all ok to be approved10:03
carlosand the ones available today could be removed, right?10:06
mdkecarlos: btw, for the multiple template export, do you think it's appropriate for me to ask for them to be in the format template/lang.po rather than template/template-lang.po?10:06
mdketo be consistent with the single template export10:06
carlosmdke: seb128 already asked me for it and I agree is doable10:07
carlosmdke: well, isn't single template export doing that now too?10:07
carlosmdke: please, look whether seb reported that bug already and report it if is not yet there10:07
carloswe changed recently the way exports are stored in the tarball10:08
mdkeoh, I don't know if single template has changed recently; it used to do lang.po10:08
carlosyeah, but we changed all the export infrastructure recently10:08
carlosI think it was last moth10:09
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mdkeok, i'll check for a bug10:10
carlosmdke: about xubuntu-docs... I wonder what happens with those templates, isn't too late now for non language pack translations?10:13
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yeagercarlos: deadline is tomorrow so we poor translators doesn't have much time left for xubuntu-docs10:17
carlosyeah, that's my point...10:17
carlosanyway, I'm going to cheat the import queue to get this imported right now..10:17
yeagerthanks carlos10:23
yeagerbtw.. fast-user-switch-applets is still 0 strings10:23
carlosthat's due to our performance problem with imports, we are going to send an announcement about that later this week10:26
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=== Topic for #launchpad: https://launchpad.net | Next developer meeting: Thu 27 Sep 2007, 1400UTC | List: launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
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Hobbseemorning sabdfl 11:26
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killercowwould this be the correct channel to get some help on setting up the launchpad account and bazaar settings for my project?11:30
killercowI've been strugling to get my code into bazaar hosted by launchpad.net11:31
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Fujitsu_killercow: This is the correct channel.11:37
Fujitsu_What issues are you having?11:37
killercowI setup my project at launchpad11:39
killercowand i tried to insert my code into it11:39
killercowsince im new to bazaar im having dificulties  to get the source online11:40
killercowi had a key pair, and i could setup an sftp connection11:40
killercowbut uploading won;t work somehow11:40
killercowIm running Ubuntu, and i'd like my code to be available online,11:43
killercowFirst step would be to create a public key11:43
killercowi did that, and inserted it11:43
killercowNow when i ssh into launchpad as the username i used in launchpad it works11:44
killercowThat is correct right?11:44
Fujitsu_killercow: What do you mean uploading won't work? What error does it give?11:45
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killercowWell, i installed the bazaar software trough synaptic11:45
FujitsuAh, install bzr11:45
killercowOk, just a sec11:45
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killercowok, that was installed11:46
killercowbzr and bzr-gtk11:46
killercowi also tried olive, but that didn;t help me either11:46
FujitsuFirstly, what's the command you're trying, and what error does it give?11:47
killercowwhat command should i be giving?11:48
killercowI don;t think the launchpad software is at fault here, i think im the problem, i don't get how to work it yet11:49
Fujitsukillercow: bzr push sftp://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~userorteamname/freevolution/branchname.11:49
Balaams_MiraclePardon my interruption, but is maintenance being done on Rosetta? I only get timeouts for pages i try to open on translations.launchpad.net11:50
killercowin the folder that contains the source code right/11:50
FujitsuWhere you should replace username with your username, userorteamname with who you want to own the branch, and branchname with a... name for the branch.11:50
Fujitsukillercow: In the bzr branch.11:50
killercowhow do i setup a bzr branch then?11:50
killercowlocal i asume?11:50
Fujitsukillercow: Oh, I see. Wait s ec.11:50
Fujitsu*a sec.11:50
Fujitsukillercow: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html should help you there.11:51
Balaams_MiracleIsn't "trunk" the main branch?11:51
FujitsuBalaams_Miracle: That seems to be the standard, but it's not required.11:51
killercowSomehow  managed to get a Trunk created in launchpad,11:52
Balaams_MiracleFujitsu: I've just saw killercow's project, and "trunk" is present11:52
FujitsuBalaams_Miracle: That's likely a series, not a branch.11:52
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Balaams_MiracleAh, i see11:53
Balaams_Miracle(i think)11:53
killercowseems bzr init . has allready been done once11:53
killercowallready a branch11:53
killercowso i continue with add11:53
killercowwhich runs a lits of al the files11:54
FujitsuBalaams_Miracle: Rosetta is working OK for me, and I don't know of any maintenance (but I'm not one of the LP guys)11:54
killercowthe commits spews out an error:11:54
killercowbzr commit -m "initual import"11:55
killercowbzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/home/killercow/public_html/freevolution_0.958/freevolution/.bzr/repository/knits/bc': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/home/killercow/public_html/freevolution_0.958/freevolution/.bzr/repository/knits/bc'11:55
Balaams_MiracleFujitsu: The rest of LP (bugs, code, etc.) does work for me, only the translations yield timeouts on my end of the line11:55
Fujitsukillercow: Have you committed anything to that branch before?11:55
killercowi don't think so11:55
killercowi copy and paste the folder to a new  one11:56
carlosBalaams_Miracle: we are not doing any maintainment tasks for Launchpad Translations11:56
killercowshould i try to remove the .bzr folder11:56
Fujitsukillercow: Yep, that's what I'd try.11:56
carlosBalaams_Miracle: could you give me OOPs numbers to check it?11:56
Balaams_Miraclecarlos: The most recent one i got is OOPS-641F71411:57
killercowOk, did that, the init now works fine11:57
killercowso does the add11:57
killercowimport running now11:57
carlosBalaams_Miracle: I need to wait a couple of minutes to have the report available11:57
carloswill read it and tell you about it11:58
Balaams_Miraclecarlos: No problem, i do have a bit of spare time :-)11:58
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killercowok, commited revision 112:00
Fujitsukillercow: Right, if you now push it, it should work.12:00
killercowpush with the command you gave right12:00
Balaams_Miraclecarlos: The translations page on my personal LP page does work now, but the translation i was working on still times out. So it partially works for me now12:01
killercowbzr push sftp://jan klopper@bazaar.launchpad.net/~janklopper/freevolution/Trunk12:01
Fujitsukillercow: Erm, that username can't be right.12:01
killercowwhat about the space12:01
Fujitsujanklopper-innerheight, I think you want.12:01
carlosBalaams_Miracle: did you translate using that url before and worked?12:01
killercowits probably janklopper-innerheight12:01
carlosjtv: I think you should take a look to https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/2007-10-03/F71412:02
carlosjtv: it's related to your recent changes to improve the performance of the +translate page12:02
carlosjtv: seems like it's not fast enough12:02
killercowbzr: ERROR: Parent directory of sftp://janklopper-innerheight@bazaar.launchpad.net/~janklopper/freevolution/Trunk does not exist.12:03
Fujitsukillercow: ~janklopper-innerheight12:04
killercowso, i should supply the -create-prefix folders?12:04
FujitsuAnd there's already a `trunk' branch, so you probably want to update that.12:04
Balaams_Miraclecarlos: I did. I was browsing for translations to be corrected, when i suddenly got timeouts. Nothing out of the ordinary because on second (and sometimes a third) try, i was able to browse on. But this time the timeouts seem to persist12:04
killercowwhat would the command be then?12:04
Fujitsukillercow: sftp://janklopper-innerheight@bazaar.launchpad.net/~janklopper-innerheight/freevolution/trunk12:04
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carlosBalaams_Miracle: ok, let me see whether I could get jtv here to check it12:05
killercowokay, seems to be doing something12:05
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killercowFetch Phase is processing now12:05
killercownever seen that before12:05
Fujitsukillercow: Sounds like it's working :)12:06
Balaams_Miraclecarlos: Okay. But it should be noted that just before the timeouts started (a little over 30 minutes ago), translations worked pretty smoothly12:07
jtvcarlos: checking...12:07
carlosjtv: thanks12:07
carlosBalaams_Miracle: it would depend on load in our server12:08
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killercowThanks Fujitsu 12:10
Balaams_MiracleThe glue that the server had stepped in, seems to have dissolved now. :-) Big thanks to Fujitsu, carlos and jtv12:10
Fujitsukillercow: No problem.12:10
carlosBalaams_Miracle: we did nothing (yet), but you are welcome ;-)12:11
Balaams_MiracleYeah, i've cried victory a bit too soon, because it stepped in the same glue again...12:11
jtvBalaams_Miracle: as carlos said, it's basically just that there's so much data to look through!12:12
Balaams_Miraclejtv: I understand completely. OLP is so large and so full of features, it much have a lot of code in its backend.12:12
killercowSo next time i update the software, i should just issue the Push command again?12:13
Fujitsukillercow: Yep.12:13
killercowOk, great12:13
killercowil see how it all goes12:13
jtvBalaams_Miracle: the data is especially large.  What you've been doing when this happened was the right thing.  And your translations should still get through; they do, right?12:13
Fujitsukillercow: It should have even remembered where to send it, so a simple `bzr push' should do it.12:14
killercowah, nice12:14
Balaams_Miraclejtv: It looks like it, after my last translation, i was just scanning the code for a particular string which i feel was mistranslated by someone else.12:15
Balaams_Miraclejtv: I've just tested it, and my translations do go through. Also, the load on the server seems to have diminished. Is it anything you did this time?12:18
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jtvBalaams_Miracle: It'll be worst when you haven't visited that page for a while.  We've actually improved the problem a lot with the last release, but it's not gone.  We continue to plan changes to fight it.12:20
jtvBalaams_Miracle: no, probably just caching effects.12:20
Balaams_Miraclejtv: Yeah, i've noticed that the problem is at its worst with large packages. About the caching, i have cleared my cache earlier today to solve a problem with a page that refused to refresh. So if it's a caching effect, it won't be my browser's cache :-)12:22
jtvBalaams_Miracle: the translation for Blue Type doesn't look right to melooks more likely that it should be something like "Blauwe Tekst"12:22
jtvBalaams_Miracle: no, this is purely on the server side.12:23
Balaams_Miraclejtv: On what page did you find that? I must have overlooked it12:23
jtvBalaams_Miracle: (at least I can't imagine how "a type" can have a colour :)  It's on the URL of the page that timed out that you pasted earlier12:23
Balaams_MiracleAh, i'll go and see12:23
Balaams_Miraclejtv: The URL of page that the timeout occurred on was https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/nl/+translate?start=190 , but i can't find "blue type" anywhere on the page.12:27
jtvOh, I seem to have gotten the first page.12:28
Balaams_MiracleAh, back to the first page then :-)12:28
jtvBalaams_Miracle: ah, of course.  I got that URL from the error report on the server.  Which separates the arguments from the path.12:29
Balaams_Miraclejtv: "Blue Type" is a theme or background for Nautilus. (Bewerken => Achtergronden en emblemen...)12:32
Balaams_MiracleOh, he's off12:33
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Balaams_Miraclejtv: welcome back12:40
Balaams_Miraclejtv: I've looked into your suggestion, but "Blue Type" is a theme or background for Nautilus. (Bewerken => Achtergronden en emblemen...)12:41
Balaams_Miraclejtv: Still, some of those translations are quite ugly12:42
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ubotuNew bug: #148491 in malone "url entry form should add http:// where necessary" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14849112:45
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carlosBalaams_Miracle: did you try google?12:47
carlosBalaams_Miracle: we have our translation pages public so google could index us as a workaround until we get native search in place12:47
carlosI'm not sure how good is that search, but is an option that should help12:48
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Balaams_Miraclecarlos: Ah, haven't tried that. But i can't imagine it would work if i'd search for something like "network" or "desktop" inside package "foo"12:49
jtvBalaams_Miracle: add the package name though.  We usually end up pretty high in Google's rankings.12:49
jtvBalaams_Miracle: not perfect though, true.12:50
carlosBalaams_Miracle: also 'Translations' should filter out some unrelated pages12:50
Balaams_MiracleHmmm... In that case, it's worth a try12:50
carlosand adding site:translations.launchpad.net would help too12:50
killercowIts stil doing the fetch phase,12:50
killercowhow long should this take?12:51
Fujitsukillercow: How big is the codebase?12:51
killercowits about 7meg, mostly small images12:51
Fujitsukillercow: How many files, approximately?12:51
killercow(19.000 files),12:52
killercowone of the first steps i want to complete is fix the scripts that generated those images to remove them from the actual codebase and have them generated at setup12:53
FujitsuOw, that will probably take a while.12:54
FujitsuErm, you might want to stop it, and use bzr+ssh instead of sftp, if you're using a recent bzr.12:54
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killercowFujitsu: how do i do that?01:04
killercowchaning the protocol in the url gives me a protocol unsupported error01:05
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yeagerxubuntu-docs has been importered.. sweet01:44
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killercowpush just finished:02:35
killercowbzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  Try using "merge" and then "push". 02:35
killercowany info on how to fix that?02:36
killercowmerge gives: bzr: ERROR: No location specified or remembered02:36
killercowshould i run it with the entire command again, switching push for merge?02:37
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killercowwhich results in: bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified.    02:38
ddaasounds like your are trying to push something unrelated on top of an existing branch02:38
killercowapparently the tries i made in june are comming back to haunt me now02:39
killercowWhat is the best way do go forward now?02:39
ddaadelete the existing branch02:39
ddaaor push --overwrite02:39
ddaaor use a different name02:39
ddaaor carry your changes on top of the existing branches (maybe using diff/patch)02:40
ddaadepends on what you really want02:40
ddaait's not a launchpad problem02:40
ddaait's purely a problem in how you are using bzr02:40
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killercowoka, il see02:44
killercowi once tried to setup a bazaar branch and stranded02:45
killercownow im trying to do so again02:45
killercowso the branch should still be empty02:45
killercowclearly it is not02:45
ddaahint: if you point to the specific branch on launchpad it helps02:45
killercowbut ill try overwrite and see what it does02:45
killercowthis one02:46
ddaaobviously, it's not empty02:46
ddaaI see three revisions there02:46
ddaayou can just delete it02:46
ddaaClick on "Delete branch" in the Actions box in the top-left.02:47
ddaaobviously, this branch is just scrap02:47
killercowlets see 02:55
killercowhmm, seems to have done something now02:55
killercowPushed up to revision 1.02:55
killercowwhich probably means i can delete the older branch02:55
killercow---- revision02:55
ddaayou've already done so02:56
killercowi see02:56
lamontflacoste: any word?02:56
killercowdamn, stupid typo02:56
ddaalamont: flabbergasting02:56
ddaathat's a word, right?02:56
lamontddaa: not today, it isn't. :-)02:57
killercowoverwrite clears the entire branch, and then insert the new code as the first revision 02:57
ddaalamont: satyriasis?02:57
flacostelamont: cprov will land the branch shortly, i don't know if it will be cherry-picked or will be published with next release02:57
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cprovflacoste: it's a cherrypick candidade we will see.02:58
lamontcprov: thanks.  in other news, can you drop chroot-ubuntu-gutsy-{i386,powerpc,sparc,amd64} where I can get them?  I need to do a little bootstrapping in universe.03:00
lamontand yeah, we'll need to publish those.  and once we're done bootstrapping, restore them to their former glory03:01
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cprovlamont: in 5 minutes, ok ?03:01
lamontI won't be ready to play with them for at least 30 min03:02
DavieyHey, how can i add a 'milestone'?03:03
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cprovlamont: ta, ping when you are ready.03:08
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lamontcprov: once the branch lands (has it?), who is my new nagging target?03:38
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cprovlamont: kiko 03:39
lamontand branch landed?03:39
Hobbseeoh, holy hell03:40
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lamonthell not holy03:40
lamontHobbsee: what's multiplying?03:41
Hobbseelamont: the lp bug statuses mailing list thread03:41
Hobbseewhat vaguely annoys me is that the LP guys dont get that most people dont use every state - and so to have the tedium of having to set everything is just annoying03:42
Hobbseeheck, we dont usually bother to set importance most of the time.03:42
lamontthere's an importance field?03:43
lamontwhat's that for?03:43
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Hobbseeand, y'know, every time i see that upstream bug section (both of them), i want to scream, and i keep hitting options until i get the familar URL box.  if i'm lucky, and have sacrificed enough goats to the gods of launchpad.03:43
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Hobbseeif i'm unlucky, i never find said box, say "screw it", report it upstream separately, and subscribe to the bug there, and never link it back to ubuntu - or say "reported upstream as bug x"03:44
Hobbseeor i just give up on working with bugs for a while.03:44
Hobbseelamont: well, seeing as most of our stuff is upstream bugs anyway, there's little point in setting an importance inside ubuntu - better to file it upstream and wait, as i dont have the tech knowledge to be able to fix it.03:46
Hobbseelamont: so all i should do is file it upstream, or get upstream to deal with our bugs here.  but see the part about the upstream bug section.03:46
killercowHobbsee: theres need for goat sacrificing? i was under impression sheep would also suffice?03:46
lamontHobbsee: oh.  so you're one of _those_ people, eh? :)03:46
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Hobbseekillercow: depends on the part of launchpad.03:46
Hobbseelamont: yeah, i'm one of those crappy people who can barely code.03:47
lamontwe love you anyway03:47
Hobbseesure sure.03:47
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killercowah okey, wouldn't want to sacrifice the wrong animal to the wrong god and have the thing come tumbling down.03:47
Hobbsee(and seriously - ewww, tags!)03:49
lamonttags are lvoe03:50
lamontlove, even03:50
radixloving never took so many clicks03:50
lamontradix: this is launchpad.  love the click03:50
radixok, clicks aren't so bad, but pageloads are :)03:50
FujitsuDoes anybody here actually navigate through LP using the navigation links?03:51
lamontyeah - I have a bug or 3 to submit after I get hppa all happy03:51
radixFujitsu: as opposed towhat?03:51
Fujitsuradix: Composing URLs manually.03:51
lamontradix: knowing magic urls03:51
Hobbseeif i cant set tags by keescook's script, or even in the same interface where i set the statuses and such, then tags are useless for my workflow.03:51
radixFujitsu: hmm, for what kind of navigation?03:51
HobbseeFujitsu: oh, sometimes.  03:51
lagaFujitsu: i do. because i cant remember the urls. the pain is starting to teach me, though03:51
HobbseeFujitsu: for some cases, yes i do.03:51
HobbseeFujitsu: but i have Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and lpb, which alias to launchpad source and launchpad bugs for the source package, which i use all the time.03:52
Hobbseegah.  l p s.03:52
Fujitsuradix: Generally anything other than editing things. Moving to other contexts, etc.03:52
radixI use launchpad for my daily full-time work routine, and I pretty much only ever type as much as "http://launchpad.net/project"03:52
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Hobbseehaving the aliases is much better03:53
radixoh, but I do have bookmarks to particular milestones and to the "review" tag and "in progress" states in my projects.03:53
Hobbseealthough being able to type lau, then go to the closest match, and keep tying is useful too03:53
radixThe biggest navigation annoyance I have is when I'm in a milestone view, I can't click any of the tabs.03:53
radixand the fact that I have to pageload to edit tags.03:53
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radix(the latter isn't so much navigation problem as UI design -- there shouldn't *be* navigation there)03:54
Hobbseeit's worse without the navigation bar :P03:54
Hobbseeelse i cant find anything (particularly when going to a particular ubuntu version, or something)03:55
FujitsuPage loading times, particularly on edge, are shocking at the moment :(03:55
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Hobbseeyeah - i was wondering if edge has been slow, or i've been dreaming03:56
Hobbseeseeing as i switched to edge *precisely* for attempted speed gain.03:56
radixIt seems to get get slow at times.03:57
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radixbut other times I don't notice it being slower than the main LP.03:57
Hobbseeat least it's up.03:57
Hobbseemost of the time, that is.03:57
Hobbseeusually there's planned maintenence whenever i try to do a stack fo bug triaging - it's murphy's law, i swear.03:58
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barryhi everybody it's time for the eu/us launchpad reviewer's meeting.  for the next 45 minutes or less, we'll be discussing the review process for launchpad code04:01
jtvHobbsee: murphy's law, keystroke logger, what is difference?04:01
Hobbseejtv: good question :)04:01
barry== Agenda ==   * Roll call  * Next meeting  * Action items  * Queue status  * Proposal: add "needs-mentoring" state to PendingReviews. (proposed by AU meeting, EU/US meeting please discuss)  * Mentoring update04:01
barry * Roll call04:01
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barrywho's here today for the reviewer's meeting?04:01
barryintellectronica sends his apologies04:02
statikme. thanks for waking me up bac :)04:04
=== barry was just about to ping you :)
barrykiko, SteveA: ping if you're available04:04
barrymwh: ping04:04
barryi think that's everyone04:04
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mwhudsonbarry: hi04:05
barrymwhudson: hi!04:05
mwhudsonsorry for lateness04:05
barry * Next meeting04:05
barryno worries04:05
barryso, same time and place next week?  does anybody know they will not be able to make it?04:05
barry * Action items04:06
barry * intellectronica to take barry's original review script, add it to utilities, and merge his patch to CC reviewers.04:06
barryhe's not here today, but i don't think this was done, so we'll just carry it forward to next week04:06
mwhudsonhasn't conspicuously happened04:06
barryi think i'll make a branch with my version of the script and then intellectronica and add his patches when he gets around to it.  any objections?04:07
barry * sinzui to help make `lint.sh` better by updating pylint.04:08
barrysinzui: did i see you had a branch for that?04:09
sinzuibug-141317-add-pylint is in review04:09
barrysinzui: rock on04:09
sinzuibarry: I also ads xmllint04:09
barrysinzui: awesome.  let me know when it lands so i can remove that action item04:09
barryand please send a message to launchpad@ to let people know how to use it04:10
barry * barry will try to find someone to work on [https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626 bug 113626]  to extend pending-reviews to run make lint for us.04:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11362604:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed]  04:10
bacsinzui: how does trunk look with pylint?04:10
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sinzuibac: are asking make lint-complete, or do you want to know the ugly truth>=?04:11
bacsinzui: i guess i'm asking if we'll be overwhelmed by running 'make lint'04:11
sinzuiI wanted several targets that changed the strictness from make. make lint will not overwhelm, even though it is running pylint and xmlint.04:12
sinzuimake lint-complete will complain about out missing docstrings, and that does overwhelm04:13
barryideally i think, people should mostly be concerned with changes they make and not all of lp.  that's what the current make lint tried to do, but it's check wasn't correct (it only looked at uncommitted changes, not all changes in the branch)04:13
sinzuiThere are other differences too that I hope spiv will remark on.04:13
barrysinzui: will we be able -- over time -- to either fix those or silence the false positives through config files or #pragmas and such?04:14
sinzuilint looks for changes from the parent branch. it is ok to have commits in the branch04:14
barrysinzui: excellent04:14
sinzuiWe should be fix doc strings. I got tired one Friday and fixed Questions. I've fixed half of bugs.04:15
mwhudsonsinzui: fix the markup of the docstrings?04:15
flacostei assume he's talking about missing docstrings04:16
barryi'm sure we'll get false positives, so we should establish a coding guideline for addressing and resolving them04:16
sinzuiWe have a lot of missing docstrings. database.person is a good example04:16
barrysinzui: we'll make the next person to touch person.py fix them :)04:17
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sinzuipylint does need some training, or a plugin to capture some of our style.04:17
barryor maybe: YTIYOI (you touch it you own it)04:17
sinzuibarry: Person is too big. (that is another pylint warning).04:18
barrysinzui: yeah, that's a well known problem (there might even be a bug open on that)04:18
barrysinzui: will we be able to commit a config file to train pylint so all developers can benefit from that, or will they all have to add something to a ~-dot file?04:18
sinzuiI added a loose and a strict config file that we can edit.04:19
barrysinzui: cool.04:19
sinzuiThe make targets just switch the config file.04:19
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barrysinzui: thanks very much for doing this.  i'm sure we'll discuss it more on the general list.  anything else?04:20
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=== barry may want to debate that later
barrysinzui: done?04:21
barrycool, thanks!04:21
barry * barry will coordinate for ''reviewer's sprint'' at all-hands04:21
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barry * Queue status04:22
statikI suck04:22
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barrythere's 10 needs-review branches over the sla04:22
barrythis is week 1 so it's a good time to sprinkle your reviews when you're tired of coding :)04:22
mwhudsonmostly kiko though04:23
barrymwhudson: indeed :)04:23
sinzuijtv landed his branch before it was assigned to me04:23
barrystub wins the oldest branch award tho04:23
barrysinzui: i'm confused.  how did that happen?04:24
barrysinzui: did someone else review it?04:24
jtvbarry: it was reviewed by SteveA04:24
jtvRush job04:24
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jtvBut hey, sinzui beat the world record with a negative review time.04:24
barryjtv: lol.  you should make sure to remove landed branches from PendingReviews.  i just want to make sure reviewers aren't wasting time duplicating work04:25
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barryi know it's easy to forget but we should make sure developers know that it's their responsibility to remove landed branches from PendingReviews.  it's not the reviewer's responsibility04:26
barryanything else on the queue?04:27
sinzuiI suppose I'm available to take a branch04:27
sinzuiif someone feels overloaded04:27
barrysinzui: cool.  also you can always take a branch from the general queue.  you don't have to wait for it to be assigned04:28
barry * Proposal: add "needs-mentoring" state to PendingReviews. (proposed by AU meeting, EU/US meeting please discuss)04:28
barryi think we've talked about that here in the eu/us meeting before04:29
sinzuiI think that is a good status04:29
barryi'm pretty sure we know what this means.  all in favor say "aye".  all opposed say "nay".  if you think we need to discuss it say "maybe"04:29
mwhudsondoes it imply changes to the pending-reviews script?04:30
flacostewell, maybe04:30
jtvmwhudson: I think it would04:30
flacostethe problem i have with it is that it its semantic are not clear04:30
flacosteit looks more like a tag than a new status04:30
flacostefor example, the mentoree could have said needs-reply or merge-conditional04:31
flacosteand needs-mentoring04:31
jtvThe mentoree can't say merge-conditional04:31
BjornTactually, i was going to say the same thing :) i think it's better to add a flag04:32
bacflacoste: needs-mentoring would be the active state with the other just being proviional04:32
BjornTfor example, merge-conditional*04:32
BjornTthat way you can see what state the reviewer thought the branch should be in, but it still needs to be mentored04:32
jtvmerge-conditional means "go ahead and merge, at your own convenience, provided you fix these points."04:32
salgadoI think this is something which is best conveyed in the review itself.  I doubt reviewees will look at pending-reviews to see the status of their branches04:32
jtvsalgado: it's meant more for the mentors.04:33
flacostejtv: the mentoree can say merge-conditioinal04:33
salgadojtv, well, the mentors get a copy of the reviews by email04:33
flacostejtv: he should say "merge-conditional unless the mentor has something else to say"04:33
barryhere's what the minutes of the au meeting says:04:33
salgadojtv, I, as a mentor, don't find it useful.  if other mentors want it, that's fine with me04:33
BjornTsalgado: it's also good when reviewing the state of the queue; you get an indication who's blocking it04:33
barryjtv proposed a "needs-mentoring" status for branches that are waiting for a mentor's review.  This would be useful to make it plainly visible which branches are held up by mentors (and visible to a mentor what branches they need to look at), and to make it clear to developers where their branch is at.  All present agreed.  spiv will add that proposal to the .eu meeting agenda. 04:34
sinzuiThis is like the bug status discussion04:34
jtvflacoste: if a mentored review says merge-conditional, that changes the semantics of merge-conditional from "go ahead, merge at your convenience once these things are fixed" to "fix these then wait."04:35
sinzuiWe should not mix the status of the object (branch) with the status of the person (reviewer)04:35
spivSo call it "half-reviewed" then ;)04:35
flacostejtv: the semantic do not change, it's just that when the status is granted by a mentoree, there is an additional step04:35
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BjornTjtv: it's still valuable to know what status the mentoree intended. that's why an additional flag would be better than a new status04:36
jtvBut more work for all involved, no?04:36
BjornTjtv: why?04:36
jtvIt needs more changes to status page script, I'd say04:37
barryit sounds to me like this discussion should move onto the mailing list before we approve or reject it04:38
BjornTjtv: not necessarily, it depends on how we implement it.04:38
barryjtv: since you proposed it, can you post to launchpad-reviews@ and see if we can gain consensus about the semantics and workflow?04:38
barryjtv: thanks.04:39
barrymoving on...04:39
barry * Mentoring update04:39
barryany feedback from mentorees or mentors?  any problems (other than the needs-mentoring workflow)?04:39
barryi know we felt that we might be bringing on too many new reviewers.  any mentors feel overwhelmed or do you think it's going pretty well?04:40
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barryalso, think about possible graduations at the end of .10.  it's okay if we want to keep mentoring people for a while long too.04:41
barryer, longer04:41
=== barry thinks no news is good news :)
flacostelet's see how hell's week goes04:42
barryflacoste: good point :)04:42
flacoste(hell's week being week 3)04:42
barrythat's it for the agenda.  we have 2 more minutes.  does anybody have anything else?04:43
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barrysounds like we're good then.  so we can end 1 minute early.  yay! :)04:44
barryMEETING ENDS04:44
barrythanks everyone!04:44
bacthanks barry04:44
flacostethanks barry04:45
mwhudsonthanks barry04:45
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kikoFujitsu, hmmm.04:56
kikoFujitsu, so what should happen when you click on the Bugs tab in a milestone page?04:56
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killercowanyone else got the ubuntu countdown counter on their site yet?05:02
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ubotuNew bug: #148595 in malone "Indicate in buglists when a bug has one or more bugtasks that are fixed in other contexts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14859505:50
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lamontcprov-lunch: I'm heading to lunch, and then I'll be ready to play.  I'll need chroot-ubuntu-gutsy-{powerpc,sparc}.tar.bz2.  it's still maybe up in the air which of chroot-ubuntu-{gutsy,hardy}-amd64.tar.bz2 I will need.06:52
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cprovlamont: hardy ?06:53
cprovlamont: i will copy them to chinstrap06:54
lamontyeah.  that'd be after gutsy releases, eh.06:54
lamontcprov: as long as you're tossing, throw in gutsy/amd64 too... they may decide to just grab sid's mlton in the end06:55
cprovlamont: okidoki06:55
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ubotuNew bug: #148636 in launchpad "Site requests are slow, sometimes time out" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14863607:35
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mdkecarlos: the ones uploaded by me should be approved (why do they need approval?)08:09
mdkecarlos: I don't know about kubuntu-docs08:12
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mdkecarlos: lp seems to give me the option of approving the two templates myself, but then says "There are 5 errors" when I try to save changes; without specifying what the errors are08:23
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carlosmdke: that's a know bug. If you use filters it will work08:33
carlosmdke: about approve your own entries, you don't need to do that08:33
carlosmdke: I mean, if you don't use filters it will work08:33
carlosmdke: I talk about the templates you didn't upload08:34
carlosmdke: what should I do ?08:34
carlosremove? block?, approve?08:34
mdkecarlos: those are to be deleted08:34
mdkei thought I emailed about those, probably I forgot :(08:34
carlosmdke: there is a request to approve the website-index one08:34
carloslet me look for it...08:34
mdkeno, that can go08:35
carlosmdke: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/14069408:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140694 in rosetta "[gutsy]  Important documentation translations in "Needs review" state" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)08:35
mdkei'll reply on the bug08:35
carlosthank you08:36
mdkenot sure about kubuntu-docs though08:37
carloswho knows about it?08:37
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ScottKnixternal is the person who knows most about it from the Kubuntu end.08:38
carlosScottK: ok, thanks08:38
ScottKRiddell probably too if nixternal isn't around.08:39
kiko-afkScottK, who could I find that might be interested in packaging OGMRip?08:39
ScottKWhat is it?08:39
kiko-afkScottK, they are using bzr, so that might make things slightly easier to update 08:39
mdkecarlos: I'll check myself actually08:39
kiko-afkhttp://launchpad.net/ogmrip -- it's a DVD-ripping gnome app.08:39
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carlosmdke: ok08:40
mdkecarlos: meh, it's not clear from the package; best to ask nixternal08:40
ScottKkiko-afk: I'd ask on #ubuntu-motu.  It sounds like something people would be interested in.08:40
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ScottK't use Gnome, so not me.08:41
ScottKdoesn't even...08:41
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kikoI use ion208:42
kikoLaserJock, ScottK: is there someone who usually packages gnome apps?08:44
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variantIt's annoying when you answer a question on answers.launchpad and then someone comes along and says something simmilar to "yes, soandso is correct" and then the poster markes it as solved and the hijacker gets the credit!!08:45
LaserJockkiko: nope08:46
LaserJockkiko: you can file a bug though08:46
kikoLaserJock, do you think I should, or should I keep begging?08:47
kikovariant, I think there's a proposal to allow marking multiple answers as credited.. flacoste_lunch?08:47
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LaserJockkiko: http://tinyurl.com/2mbskn08:47
pochukiko: you can file a RFP in BTS and wait, maybe somebody packages it and we can sync it.08:47
cprovRinchen: ping08:48
variantkiko: that would be great..08:48
Rinchenhi cprov 08:49
variantI answer quite a few questions and it's really annoying.. a thank you is the payment you get for helping someone so it's intensly annoying when somone steals it08:49
cprovRinchen: do you have more information about bug 14865108:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148651 in apport "apport crashes when reporting a bug in a PPA package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14865108:49
flacostekiko, variant: yes, we talked about that08:49
Rinchencprov, oh wow, that's cool08:49
Rinchencprov, I didn't know it was there.  08:49
flacostesomebody proposed a 'shared-recognition' spec08:50
Rinchencprov, let me look since it crashed here and I handed you that oops08:50
cprovRinchen: I've just filed it ;)08:50
Rinchenyou're a wonderful man!08:50
cprovRinchen: also, can you follow-up  kiko08:50
Rinchencprov, gimme a few minutes to chat with barry and I'll send you the error08:50
cprov's review for "get PPA TOS out of LP" ?08:50
cprovRinchen: sure, thanks.08:51
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Rinchencprov, https://pastebin.canonical.com/444/08:59
Rinchensorry about the formatting08:59
Rinchenchose the wrong option08:59
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cprovRinchen: it's ok thanks09:00
Rinchencprov, I have no idea why it's listed google-earth though09:01
Rinchenit was smart that failed09:01
cprovRinchen: me neither ...09:01
RinchenI don't have an apport crash log either09:02
Rinchenwhat happened to me was apport sent me to a non-existent LP page. Apport itself doesn't appear to have crashed09:02
Rinchenat least, not via the logs09:02
cprovRinchen: uhm, it just pointed you to a "not-found" page09:03
cprovRinchen: I thought it had crashed.09:03
RinchenI thought it did too09:03
Rinchenlet me make smart crash again and see what happens09:03
RinchenI should be able to replicate it09:03
cprovRinchen: okay09:03
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Rinchencprov, would you believe that even after I removed the smart fix (reset it to it's crashing state) it won't crash now.  arrg09:09
cprovRinchen: well, 'not crashing' is good.09:10
Rinchenyeah but very not helpful in diagnosing this issue09:10
LaserJockRinchen: what issue? ;-)09:11
cprovRinchen: well, let's keep the bug on the radar for now 09:12
Rinchencprov, right...let me see if I can crash smart again09:12
Rinchencprov, working with niemeyer on it on another channel09:12
cprovRinchen: I'm watching ...09:12
niemeyercprov: The issue is that Smart expects the uncompressed Packages file to be available09:13
niemeyercprov: Which isn't currently the case with PPAs09:13
niemeyercprov: It doesn't download the file, but it uses it's md5sum in the Releases file09:13
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Rinchencprov, ok, here we go09:14
cprovniemeyer: well, the md5 for the plain indexes is already available in Release, it was a 1.1.9 task, if I'm not mistaken09:15
niemeyercprov: Hmm09:15
niemeyercprov: I think it wasn't, in the PPA I've looked at09:15
niemeyercprov: Let me check that again09:15
Rinchencprov, ok, apport doesn't crash. Instead it sends me to a not-found page.09:15
cprovniemeyer: it possible that it needs to be regenerated09:16
cprovniemeyer: bug 13413109:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134131 in soyuz "NoMoreAptFtpArchive generates incorrect Releases file" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134131 - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)09:16
niemeyercprov: http://ppa.launchpad.net/landscape/ubuntu/dists/dapper/Release09:17
cprovniemeyer: weird, it's from Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:00:24 UTC09:18
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cprovniemeyer: you're right, the fix wasn't extended to PPAs :(09:22
niemeyercprov: Uh oh :)09:27
niemeyercprov: Well, it's cool that we'll see a fix for that soon09:27
cprovniemeyer: bug 14868509:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148685 in soyuz "PPA Release files have to list plain indexes as well" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148685 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)09:27
niemeyercprov: Sweet, thanks!09:28
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ubotuNew bug: #148685 in soyuz "PPA Release files have to list plain indexes as well" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14868509:36
flacostebarry: ping09:38
barryflacoste: pong09:39
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variantflacoste: cool, think it will get implemented?09:46
variantI would also like to be able to automatically subscribe to any qeustiont that I comment or answer by default09:46
flacostevariant: to be honest, you won't see much development on the answer tracker in the coming months, but it's definitively on the list of priorities for it09:47
flacostevariant: you should file a bug for that new feature request (automatic subscription for questions you comment on)09:48
variantflacoste: will do10:01
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variantflacoste: it's a really cool idea (answers.launchpad).. launchpad in general is very cool (i just wish it was all hpl :))10:02
nixternaland I take it that I missed the kubuntu-docs talk?10:02
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ScottKnixternal: The conversation you just had with carlos on #ubuntu=devel was it.10:11
nixternalwell then, keep on rockin' you LP phreaKz :)10:13
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lamontcprov: ready to play?10:14
variantflacoste: seems that it has been requested a few times. I have updated the bug rep with my opinion too :)https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/97710:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 977 in malone "Commenting on bug should optionally subscribe you" [High,Fix released]   - Assigned to Brad Bollenbach (bradb)10:15
cprovlamont: have you already modified the chroots ?10:15
flacostevariant: that bug is fix released and is about bugs, not questions10:15
flacostevariant: you should post your bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers10:16
lamontcprov: now that I'm awake, I'm fetching them.  sigh10:18
cprovlamont: ok, how long will it take ?10:18
cprovlamont: I have to go out a bit (30 min), it that ok ?10:19
lamontI should be ready for push 1 within 20 min, I think.10:19
lamontrsync of the tarballs looks to be on the order of 2 min per10:20
variantflacoste: doh10:20
lamontcprov: you fix's branch has landed, yes?10:20
cprovlamont: in RF, but it wasn't cherrypicked in production yet10:21
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lamontcprov: I want to make sure I'm not breaking things before we push the chroots.... when will you be back?10:41
cprovlamont: 30 min ~ 1 hour10:41
cprovlamont: anyway, call me if you need anything, I will be around.10:42
lamontgreat - I know I'll be ready then..  (chroots are built, bootstrap archive is built, I 'm going to verify that I didn't break anything by maybe breaking primero, and then I'll know.10:43
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lamontcprov: sigh.  _long_ builds going on both hppa buildds...10:45
lamontdo you happen to have the exact apt-get invocation that gets used to install build-deps and upgrade the chroot?10:45
cprovlamont: no, but you can check the the build log or the usr/share/launchpad-buildd/scripts/*.sh on builders10:46
lamontoh. duh.  thanks10:47
Kopfgeldjaegergood night10:47
lamontew.  chapt-get uses the real root's trusted.gpg.  sigh10:51
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ubotuNew bug: #148716 in launchpad "Add doctest documenting and enforcing the policy for name changes" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14871611:00
mptGoooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!11:00
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flacosteGooooooooooooooooooood morning mpt!11:14
flacostempt: feeling better?11:14
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mptflacoste, mostly11:30
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mptthanks :-)11:36
Ngcan I move a branch from ~me to ~myteam or should I just push it to the new location?11:38
UbuletteNg: assign "author" to your team11:41
Ngaha :)11:41
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ubotuNew bug: #148737 in launchpad-bazaar "Bzr needs a more decriptive error message when product does not exist on launchpad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14873711:50
thumperNg: change the author doesn't move the branch12:14
thumperNg: you need to reassign it, or push to the new location12:14
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Ngthumper: so ~me/blah/+reassign?12:16
Ubulettei did that a dozen of time12:16
Ubuletteyet the branch was already subscribed to my team too12:16
thumperNg: ~user/project/branch-name/+reassign or select "Change registrant" from the actions12:17
Ngthumper: cool, thanks12:18
cprov-outlamont: ?12:28
cprov-outlamont: right12:29
lamontif you want to do one first, then we can make sure I didn't horribly screw up12:29
lamontcprov-out: one other question for you12:30
cprov-outlamont: yes12:30
lamontif we start building 20061107-1 and 20070826-1 is uploaded while that build is going on, will the build results still publish?12:30
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lamont(I want to bootstrap with 20061107-1 on !amd64, will need to bootstrap with 20070826-1 on amd64)12:32
cprov-outyes, for a very short period of time, ~ 2 hours12:34
cprov-outlamont: done, chroots updated12:34
lamontas long as it's fetchable... :-)12:34
lamontand builds started on ppc/sparc12:36
lamontcprov-out: looks good from here.  I think we're ok leaving the tarball alone until after we finish with amd64, which will be sometime tomorrw (mlton is not a fast builder)12:41
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lamontdoes ppa use the same tarball as on-ppa?12:42
cprov-outlamont: okay, great12:42
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cprov-outlamont: yes :(12:42
lamontfwiw, there's a bug in chapt-get... where should I be sending a patch to?12:42
cprov-outlamont: will they fail horribly ?12:42
lamonthorribly is not entirely accurate...12:42
cprov-outlamont: to me ;)12:43
lamontunless the real-root's /etc/apt/trusted.gpg has 0a0ac927 in it, then apt-get update fails, and I think we die.12:43
lamontso it's a quick death, at least.12:43
lamontthat only affects promethium atm12:43
lamontprometium won't let me log in, or I'd fix it myself...12:44
lamont    -o APT::GPGV::TrustedKeyring=${chroot}/etc/apt/trusted.gpg \12:45
lamontin /usr/bin/chapt-get's final command somewhere should fix the issue12:46
cprov-outlamont: we can ping the IS guys, but I don't anyone is available right now12:46
lamontif you hand patch promethium, then we can ignore it for a while12:46
elmowhat the heck are you doing on/to promethium?12:46
cprov-outelmo:  wow, wow, nothing ...12:47
Davieyelmo: would i be allowed to torrent (iso) from our canonical box?12:48
lamontcprov-out: on the bright side, it's just universe builds on prometium that are b0rked12:48
Davieyelmo: -- with a reasonable upload cap?12:48
elmoDaviey: -ECHANNEL, and hang on, phone call12:49
lamonthrm... I wonder what he highlights on :-)12:49
cprov-outlamont: users can retry it later, I guess, let's try to do it as fast as possible12:49
lamontcprov-out: go ahead and push the non-bootstrap chroot on amd64 for now12:50
lamontit'll be hours before I'm ready to sync the source that has to be there for amd64 to bootstrap12:50
lamontas in, I still need to find one more motu to bless the uvfe for mlton, or it can happen in hardy12:51
cprov-outlamont: done, amd64 chroot reverted12:51
lamontso do you want a proper diff for chapt-get?  or is the above enough?12:51

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