=== AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-88.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === fernando110 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-21373adbf37ab482] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-119-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [01:50] New bug: #148338 in malone "Duplicate projects "kdemultimedia" and "KDE Multimedia"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148338 === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-21-215.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === gianmt [n=gianmt@151.43.70.74] has joined #launchpad === zzorn is now known as zzorn_away === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === tck [n=tck@78.16.46.31] has joined #launchpad === tck [n=tck@78.16.46.31] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.7.240.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-88.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-219-195.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === samiam [n=samurai@74-134-144-215.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #launchpad === bdmurray wonders how to find a bug he commented on today [06:46] bugs.lp.net/~you [06:46] bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+me/+commentedbugs?orderby=-date_last_updated ? [06:46] or that longer version, yeah :p [06:47] (Which you can get to from the "List commented bugs" link on your bugs page, then sort by "recently changed") [06:48] Okay, I found the bug but come to find out I didn't comment on it just set the status and importance. [06:48] I found it via other means === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [08:48] morning [08:49] morning carlos! === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad === mdke [i=mdke@planters.dreamhost.com] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === jonathan_ [n=jonathan@modemcable077.30-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [09:16] hi [09:16] ls [09:16] sorry [09:17] I have questions regarding gobby [09:25] New bug: #148425 in rosetta "Report import warnings to uploader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148425 [09:25] New bug: #148426 in launchpad "packages should not be in dep-wait when they are superseded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148426 === thumper [n=tim@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@251.9.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #launchpad [09:40] New bug: #148430 in rosetta "Language pack selection must be set automatically" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148430 [09:40] New bug: #148431 in rosetta "Language pack export code should use always the start time to refer to that export" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148431 [09:43] what happened with the new xubuntu-docs? [09:45] New bug: #148433 in rosetta "Allow differerent language packs running at the same time" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148433 === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad [09:58] hi yeager sorry i don't know launchpad yet [10:00] yeager: in what way? [10:01] yeager: they are waiting to be approved, we just got them yesterday [10:02] mdke: do you know whether all them must be approved or there is anyone that should be ignored like in ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs ? [10:02] mdke: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xubuntu-docs/+imports [10:02] mdke: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/xubuntu-docs/+imports [10:03] yeah, I saw them. I think they are all ok to be approved [10:06] and the ones available today could be removed, right? [10:06] yeah [10:06] carlos: btw, for the multiple template export, do you think it's appropriate for me to ask for them to be in the format template/lang.po rather than template/template-lang.po? [10:06] to be consistent with the single template export [10:07] mdke: seb128 already asked me for it and I agree is doable [10:07] mdke: well, isn't single template export doing that now too? [10:07] mdke: please, look whether seb reported that bug already and report it if is not yet there [10:08] we changed recently the way exports are stored in the tarball [10:08] oh, I don't know if single template has changed recently; it used to do lang.po [10:08] yeah, but we changed all the export infrastructure recently [10:09] I think it was last moth === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad [10:09] aha [10:10] ok, i'll check for a bug [10:12] thanks [10:13] mdke: about xubuntu-docs... I wonder what happens with those templates, isn't too late now for non language pack translations? === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso === allenap [n=allenap@87-194-166-60.bethere.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad [10:17] carlos: deadline is tomorrow so we poor translators doesn't have much time left for xubuntu-docs [10:17] yeah, that's my point... [10:17] anyway, I'm going to cheat the import queue to get this imported right now.. [10:23] thanks carlos [10:23] btw.. fast-user-switch-applets is still 0 strings [10:26] that's due to our performance problem with imports, we are going to send an announcement about that later this week === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Starting logfile irclogs/launchpad.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: https://launchpad.net | Next developer meeting: Thu 27 Sep 2007, 1400UTC | List: launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by ddaa at Wed Sep 26 16:00:36 2007 === yeager [n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager] has joined #launchpad === jelmer_ [n=jelmer@157pc196.sshunet.nl] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@ppp-58.8.2.138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD493D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD7A92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad [11:26] morning sabdfl [11:26] howdy === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad === killercow [n=chatzill@rushcommerce.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [11:30] Hi, [11:30] would this be the correct channel to get some help on setting up the launchpad account and bazaar settings for my project? [11:31] I've been strugling to get my code into bazaar hosted by launchpad.net === fernando110 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-0ff12b85c737c7fc] has joined #launchpad [11:37] killercow: This is the correct channel. [11:37] What issues are you having? [11:39] I setup my project at launchpad [11:39] https://www.launchpad.net/freevolution [11:39] and i tried to insert my code into it [11:40] since im new to bazaar im having dificulties to get the source online [11:40] i had a key pair, and i could setup an sftp connection [11:40] but uploading won;t work somehow [11:43] Im running Ubuntu, and i'd like my code to be available online, [11:43] First step would be to create a public key [11:43] i did that, and inserted it [11:44] Now when i ssh into launchpad as the username i used in launchpad it works [11:44] That is correct right? [11:45] killercow: What do you mean uploading won't work? What error does it give? === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu [11:45] Well, i installed the bazaar software trough synaptic [11:45] Ah, install bzr [11:45] Ok, just a sec === gianmt [n=gianmt@host154-108-static.187-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad [11:46] ok, that was installed [11:46] bzr and bzr-gtk [11:46] i also tried olive, but that didn;t help me either [11:47] Firstly, what's the command you're trying, and what error does it give? [11:48] :P [11:48] what command should i be giving? [11:49] I don;t think the launchpad software is at fault here, i think im the problem, i don't get how to work it yet [11:49] killercow: bzr push sftp://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~userorteamname/freevolution/branchname. [11:50] Pardon my interruption, but is maintenance being done on Rosetta? I only get timeouts for pages i try to open on translations.launchpad.net [11:50] in the folder that contains the source code right/ [11:50] Where you should replace username with your username, userorteamname with who you want to own the branch, and branchname with a... name for the branch. [11:50] killercow: In the bzr branch. [11:50] ? [11:50] how do i setup a bzr branch then? [11:50] local i asume? [11:50] killercow: Oh, I see. Wait s ec. [11:50] *a sec. [11:51] killercow: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html should help you there. [11:51] Isn't "trunk" the main branch? [11:51] Balaams_Miracle: That seems to be the standard, but it's not required. [11:52] Somehow managed to get a Trunk created in launchpad, [11:52] Fujitsu: I've just saw killercow's project, and "trunk" is present [11:52] Balaams_Miracle: That's likely a series, not a branch. === Fujitsu looks. [11:53] Ah, i see [11:53] (i think) [11:53] seems bzr init . has allready been done once [11:53] allready a branch [11:53] so i continue with add [11:54] which runs a lits of al the files [11:54] Balaams_Miracle: Rosetta is working OK for me, and I don't know of any maintenance (but I'm not one of the LP guys) [11:54] hmm [11:54] the commits spews out an error: [11:55] bzr commit -m "initual import" [11:55] bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/home/killercow/public_html/freevolution_0.958/freevolution/.bzr/repository/knits/bc': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/killercow/public_html/freevolution_0.958/freevolution/.bzr/repository/knits/bc' [11:55] O_o [11:55] Fujitsu: The rest of LP (bugs, code, etc.) does work for me, only the translations yield timeouts on my end of the line [11:55] killercow: Have you committed anything to that branch before? [11:55] i don't think so [11:56] i copy and paste the folder to a new one [11:56] Balaams_Miracle: we are not doing any maintainment tasks for Launchpad Translations [11:56] should i try to remove the .bzr folder [11:56] killercow: Yep, that's what I'd try. [11:56] Balaams_Miracle: could you give me OOPs numbers to check it? [11:57] carlos: The most recent one i got is OOPS-641F714 [11:57] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/641F714 [11:57] Ok, did that, the init now works fine [11:57] so does the add [11:57] import running now [11:57] Balaams_Miracle: I need to wait a couple of minutes to have the report available [11:58] will read it and tell you about it [11:58] carlos: No problem, i do have a bit of spare time :-) === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad [12:00] ok, commited revision 1 [12:00] killercow: Right, if you now push it, it should work. [12:00] push with the command you gave right [12:01] carlos: The translations page on my personal LP page does work now, but the translation i was working on still times out. So it partially works for me now [12:01] bzr push sftp://jan klopper@bazaar.launchpad.net/~janklopper/freevolution/Trunk [12:01] killercow: Erm, that username can't be right. [12:01] what about the space [12:01] exactly [12:01] janklopper-innerheight, I think you want. [12:01] hmm [12:01] Balaams_Miracle: did you translate using that url before and worked? [12:01] its probably janklopper-innerheight [12:02] jtv: I think you should take a look to https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/2007-10-03/F714 [12:02] jtv: it's related to your recent changes to improve the performance of the +translate page [12:02] jtv: seems like it's not fast enough [12:03] hmm [12:03] bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of sftp://janklopper-innerheight@bazaar.launchpad.net/~janklopper/freevolution/Trunk does not exist. [12:04] killercow: ~janklopper-innerheight [12:04] so, i should supply the -create-prefix folders? [12:04] And there's already a `trunk' branch, so you probably want to update that. [12:04] carlos: I did. I was browsing for translations to be corrected, when i suddenly got timeouts. Nothing out of the ordinary because on second (and sometimes a third) try, i was able to browse on. But this time the timeouts seem to persist [12:04] what would the command be then? [12:04] killercow: sftp://janklopper-innerheight@bazaar.launchpad.net/~janklopper-innerheight/freevolution/trunk === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad [12:05] Balaams_Miracle: ok, let me see whether I could get jtv here to check it [12:05] okay, seems to be doing something === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad [12:05] Fetch Phase is processing now [12:05] never seen that before [12:06] :) [12:06] killercow: Sounds like it's working :) [12:07] carlos: Okay. But it should be noted that just before the timeouts started (a little over 30 minutes ago), translations worked pretty smoothly [12:07] carlos: checking... [12:07] jtv: thanks [12:08] Balaams_Miracle: it would depend on load in our server [12:10] Great, === gmb [n=gmb@i-83-67-5-113.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad [12:10] Thanks Fujitsu [12:10] The glue that the server had stepped in, seems to have dissolved now. :-) Big thanks to Fujitsu, carlos and jtv [12:10] killercow: No problem. [12:11] Balaams_Miracle: we did nothing (yet), but you are welcome ;-) [12:11] Yeah, i've cried victory a bit too soon, because it stepped in the same glue again... [12:12] Balaams_Miracle: as carlos said, it's basically just that there's so much data to look through! [12:12] jtv: I understand completely. OLP is so large and so full of features, it much have a lot of code in its backend. [12:13] So next time i update the software, i should just issue the Push command again? [12:13] much=must. [12:13] killercow: Yep. [12:13] Ok, great [12:13] il see how it all goes [12:13] Balaams_Miracle: the data is especially large. What you've been doing when this happened was the right thing. And your translations should still get through; they do, right? [12:14] killercow: It should have even remembered where to send it, so a simple `bzr push' should do it. [12:14] ah, nice [12:15] jtv: It looks like it, after my last translation, i was just scanning the code for a particular string which i feel was mistranslated by someone else. [12:18] jtv: I've just tested it, and my translations do go through. Also, the load on the server seems to have diminished. Is it anything you did this time? === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #launchpad [12:20] Balaams_Miracle: It'll be worst when you haven't visited that page for a while. We've actually improved the problem a lot with the last release, but it's not gone. We continue to plan changes to fight it. [12:20] Balaams_Miracle: no, probably just caching effects. [12:22] jtv: Yeah, i've noticed that the problem is at its worst with large packages. About the caching, i have cleared my cache earlier today to solve a problem with a page that refused to refresh. So if it's a caching effect, it won't be my browser's cache :-) [12:22] Balaams_Miracle: the translation for Blue Type doesn't look right to melooks more likely that it should be something like "Blauwe Tekst" [12:23] Balaams_Miracle: no, this is purely on the server side. [12:23] jtv: On what page did you find that? I must have overlooked it [12:23] Balaams_Miracle: (at least I can't imagine how "a type" can have a colour :) It's on the URL of the page that timed out that you pasted earlier [12:23] #6 [12:23] Ah, i'll go and see [12:27] jtv: The URL of page that the timeout occurred on was https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/nl/+translate?start=190 , but i can't find "blue type" anywhere on the page. [12:28] Oh, I seem to have gotten the first page. [12:28] Ah, back to the first page then :-) [12:29] Balaams_Miracle: ah, of course. I got that URL from the error report on the server. Which separates the arguments from the path. [12:32] jtv: "Blue Type" is a theme or background for Nautilus. (Bewerken => Achtergronden en emblemen...) [12:33] Oh, he's off === jtv [n=jtv@ppp-58.8.13.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [12:40] jtv: welcome back [12:41] jtv: I've looked into your suggestion, but "Blue Type" is a theme or background for Nautilus. (Bewerken => Achtergronden en emblemen...) [12:42] jtv: Still, some of those translations are quite ugly === silwol [n=silwol@d91-128-236-52.cust.tele2.at] has joined #launchpad [12:45] New bug: #148491 in malone "url entry form should add http:// where necessary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148491 === Balaams_Miracle wishes that he could search for translatable strings inside packages, but he also knows that it's already an existing feature request... [12:47] Balaams_Miracle: did you try google? [12:47] Balaams_Miracle: we have our translation pages public so google could index us as a workaround until we get native search in place [12:48] I'm not sure how good is that search, but is an option that should help === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #launchpad [12:49] carlos: Ah, haven't tried that. But i can't imagine it would work if i'd search for something like "network" or "desktop" inside package "foo" [12:49] Balaams_Miracle: add the package name though. We usually end up pretty high in Google's rankings. [12:50] Balaams_Miracle: not perfect though, true. [12:50] Balaams_Miracle: also 'Translations' should filter out some unrelated pages [12:50] Hmmm... In that case, it's worth a try [12:50] and adding site:translations.launchpad.net would help too [12:50] Hmm [12:50] Its stil doing the fetch phase, [12:51] how long should this take? [12:51] killercow: How big is the codebase? [12:51] its about 7meg, mostly small images [12:51] killercow: How many files, approximately? [12:52] 19k [12:52] (19.000 files), [12:53] one of the first steps i want to complete is fix the scripts that generated those images to remove them from the actual codebase and have them generated at setup [12:54] Ow, that will probably take a while. [12:54] Erm, you might want to stop it, and use bzr+ssh instead of sftp, if you're using a recent bzr. === Balaams_Miracle is away.... === barry [n=barry@canonical/launchpad/barry] has joined #launchpad [01:04] Fujitsu: how do i do that? [01:05] chaning the protocol in the url gives me a protocol unsupported error === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #launchpad === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD7FDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD44A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD6B43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === yeager [n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager] has joined #launchpad [01:44] xubuntu-docs has been importered.. sweet === loll [n=nicolai@p54AD6967.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD5A9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD7706.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-140-230-150.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD5223.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === ichbins [n=nicolai@p54AD5CA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === ichbins is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger [02:35] hmm [02:35] push just finished: [02:35] bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Try using "merge" and then "push". [02:36] any info on how to fix that? [02:36] merge gives: bzr: ERROR: No location specified or remembered [02:37] should i run it with the entire command again, switching push for merge? === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@87-194-166-60.bethere.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [02:38] which results in: bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. [02:38] doh [02:38] sounds like your are trying to push something unrelated on top of an existing branch [02:39] apparently the tries i made in june are comming back to haunt me now [02:39] What is the best way do go forward now? [02:39] delete the existing branch [02:39] or push --overwrite [02:39] or use a different name [02:40] or carry your changes on top of the existing branches (maybe using diff/patch) [02:40] depends on what you really want [02:40] it's not a launchpad problem [02:40] it's purely a problem in how you are using bzr === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad [02:44] oka, il see [02:45] i once tried to setup a bazaar branch and stranded [02:45] now im trying to do so again [02:45] so the branch should still be empty [02:45] clearly it is not [02:45] hint: if you point to the specific branch on launchpad it helps [02:45] but ill try overwrite and see what it does [02:45] :) [02:46] https://code.launchpad.net/~janklopper-innerheight/freevolution/trunk [02:46] this one [02:46] obviously, it's not empty [02:46] I see three revisions there [02:46] you can just delete it [02:47] Click on "Delete branch" in the Actions box in the top-left. [02:47] obviously, this branch is just scrap [02:55] ok [02:55] lets see [02:55] hmm, seems to have done something now [02:55] Pushed up to revision 1. [02:55] which probably means i can delete the older branch [02:55] ---- revision [02:56] you've already done so [02:56] i see [02:56] flacoste: any word? [02:56] damn, stupid typo [02:56] lamont: flabbergasting [02:56] that's a word, right? [02:57] ddaa: not today, it isn't. :-) [02:57] overwrite clears the entire branch, and then insert the new code as the first revision [02:57] lamont: satyriasis? [02:57] lamont: cprov will land the branch shortly, i don't know if it will be cherry-picked or will be published with next release === lamont hopes for cherry picking. at last check, ubuntu-desktop is missing 116 source package builds [02:58] flacoste: it's a cherrypick candidade we will see. [03:00] cprov: thanks. in other news, can you drop chroot-ubuntu-gutsy-{i386,powerpc,sparc,amd64} where I can get them? I need to do a little bootstrapping in universe. [03:01] and yeah, we'll need to publish those. and once we're done bootstrapping, restore them to their former glory === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.7.240.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [03:01] lamont: in 5 minutes, ok ? [03:02] I won't be ready to play with them for at least 30 min [03:03] Hey, how can i add a 'milestone'? === allenap [n=allenap@87-194-166-60.bethere.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [03:08] lamont: ta, ping when you are ready. === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD6AD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === mik1 [n=mike@218-215-64-82.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === mik1 [n=mike@218-215-64-82.people.net.au] has left #launchpad [] === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD62E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [03:38] cprov: once the branch lands (has it?), who is my new nagging target? === sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-91-59.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad [03:39] lamont: kiko [03:39] and branch landed? [03:40] oh, holy hell === Hobbsee sees the attraction of "shoot it before it multiplies" [03:40] hell not holy [03:41] Hobbsee: what's multiplying? [03:41] lamont: the lp bug statuses mailing list thread [03:42] hehehe [03:42] what vaguely annoys me is that the LP guys dont get that most people dont use every state - and so to have the tedium of having to set everything is just annoying [03:42] heck, we dont usually bother to set importance most of the time. [03:43] lol [03:43] there's an importance field? [03:43] what's that for? [03:43] :-) === pochu [n=emilio@139.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [03:43] and, y'know, every time i see that upstream bug section (both of them), i want to scream, and i keep hitting options until i get the familar URL box. if i'm lucky, and have sacrificed enough goats to the gods of launchpad. === pochu [n=emilio@139.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [03:44] if i'm unlucky, i never find said box, say "screw it", report it upstream separately, and subscribe to the bug there, and never link it back to ubuntu - or say "reported upstream as bug x" [03:44] or i just give up on working with bugs for a while. [03:46] lamont: well, seeing as most of our stuff is upstream bugs anyway, there's little point in setting an importance inside ubuntu - better to file it upstream and wait, as i dont have the tech knowledge to be able to fix it. [03:46] lamont: so all i should do is file it upstream, or get upstream to deal with our bugs here. but see the part about the upstream bug section. [03:46] Hobbsee: theres need for goat sacrificing? i was under impression sheep would also suffice? [03:46] Hobbsee: oh. so you're one of _those_ people, eh? :) === lamont ducks [03:46] killercow: depends on the part of launchpad. [03:47] lamont: yeah, i'm one of those crappy people who can barely code. [03:47] we love you anyway [03:47] sure sure. === Hobbsee is just the one who whines when it all breaks. [03:47] ah okey, wouldn't want to sacrifice the wrong animal to the wrong god and have the thing come tumbling down. [03:49] (and seriously - ewww, tags!) [03:50] tags are lvoe [03:50] love, even [03:50] loving never took so many clicks [03:50] radix: this is launchpad. love the click [03:50] ok, clicks aren't so bad, but pageloads are :) [03:51] Does anybody here actually navigate through LP using the navigation links? [03:51] yeah - I have a bug or 3 to submit after I get hppa all happy [03:51] Fujitsu: as opposed towhat? [03:51] radix: Composing URLs manually. [03:51] radix: knowing magic urls [03:51] if i cant set tags by keescook's script, or even in the same interface where i set the statuses and such, then tags are useless for my workflow. [03:51] Fujitsu: hmm, for what kind of navigation? [03:51] Fujitsu: oh, sometimes. [03:51] Fujitsu: i do. because i cant remember the urls. the pain is starting to teach me, though [03:51] Fujitsu: for some cases, yes i do. [03:52] Fujitsu: but i have Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and lpb, which alias to launchpad source and launchpad bugs for the source package, which i use all the time. [03:52] gah. l p s. [03:52] radix: Generally anything other than editing things. Moving to other contexts, etc. [03:52] I use launchpad for my daily full-time work routine, and I pretty much only ever type as much as "http://launchpad.net/project" === Hobbsee used to die whenever she'd clear her cache, and so have to construct the url again [03:53] having the aliases is much better [03:53] oh, but I do have bookmarks to particular milestones and to the "review" tag and "in progress" states in my projects. [03:53] although being able to type lau, then go to the closest match, and keep tying is useful too [03:53] The biggest navigation annoyance I have is when I'm in a milestone view, I can't click any of the tabs. [03:53] and the fact that I have to pageload to edit tags. === Hobbsee has been using email recently, and replying to the bugmail that way - because the pageloads (adn time to start the browser) are quite slow [03:54] (the latter isn't so much navigation problem as UI design -- there shouldn't *be* navigation there) [03:54] it's worse without the navigation bar :P [03:55] else i cant find anything (particularly when going to a particular ubuntu version, or something) [03:55] Page loading times, particularly on edge, are shocking at the moment :( === dneary [n=dneary@251.9.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #launchpad [03:56] yeah - i was wondering if edge has been slow, or i've been dreaming [03:56] seeing as i switched to edge *precisely* for attempted speed gain. [03:57] It seems to get get slow at times. === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad [03:57] but other times I don't notice it being slower than the main LP. [03:57] at least it's up. [03:57] most of the time, that is. [03:57] :) [03:58] usually there's planned maintenence whenever i try to do a stack fo bug triaging - it's murphy's law, i swear. === bac brb [04:01] hi everybody it's time for the eu/us launchpad reviewer's meeting. for the next 45 minutes or less, we'll be discussing the review process for launchpad code [04:01] Hobbsee: murphy's law, keystroke logger, what is difference? [04:01] jtv: good question :) [04:01] == Agenda == * Roll call * Next meeting * Action items * Queue status * Proposal: add "needs-mentoring" state to PendingReviews. (proposed by AU meeting, EU/US meeting please discuss) * Mentoring update [04:01] * Roll call === laga [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has left #launchpad [] [04:01] who's here today for the reviewer's meeting? [04:01] me [04:02] me [04:02] me [04:02] intellectronica sends his apologies [04:02] me [04:03] me [04:03] me [04:04] me. thanks for waking me up bac :) === barry was just about to ping you :) [04:04] kiko, SteveA: ping if you're available [04:04] mwh: ping [04:04] i think that's everyone === mwhudson [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [04:05] barry: hi [04:05] mwhudson: hi! [04:05] sorry for lateness [04:05] * Next meeting [04:05] no worries [04:05] so, same time and place next week? does anybody know they will not be able to make it? [04:06] cool [04:06] * Action items [04:06] * intellectronica to take barry's original review script, add it to utilities, and merge his patch to CC reviewers. [04:06] he's not here today, but i don't think this was done, so we'll just carry it forward to next week [04:06] hasn't conspicuously happened [04:07] i think i'll make a branch with my version of the script and then intellectronica and add his patches when he gets around to it. any objections? [04:08] 5...4...3...2...1 [04:08] * sinzui to help make `lint.sh` better by updating pylint. [04:09] sinzui: did i see you had a branch for that? [04:09] bug-141317-add-pylint is in review [04:09] sinzui: rock on [04:09] barry: I also ads xmllint [04:09] sinzui: awesome. let me know when it lands so i can remove that action item [04:09] ok [04:10] and please send a message to launchpad@ to let people know how to use it [04:10] * barry will try to find someone to work on [https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626 bug 113626] to extend pending-reviews to run make lint for us. [04:10] Launchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626 [04:10] Launchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:10] sinzui: how does trunk look with pylint? === barry sucks. not done. [04:11] bac: are asking make lint-complete, or do you want to know the ugly truth>=? [04:11] sinzui: i guess i'm asking if we'll be overwhelmed by running 'make lint' [04:12] I wanted several targets that changed the strictness from make. make lint will not overwhelm, even though it is running pylint and xmlint. [04:13] make lint-complete will complain about out missing docstrings, and that does overwhelm [04:13] ideally i think, people should mostly be concerned with changes they make and not all of lp. that's what the current make lint tried to do, but it's check wasn't correct (it only looked at uncommitted changes, not all changes in the branch) [04:13] There are other differences too that I hope spiv will remark on. [04:14] sinzui: will we be able -- over time -- to either fix those or silence the false positives through config files or #pragmas and such? [04:14] lint looks for changes from the parent branch. it is ok to have commits in the branch [04:14] sinzui: excellent [04:15] We should be fix doc strings. I got tired one Friday and fixed Questions. I've fixed half of bugs. [04:15] sinzui: fix the markup of the docstrings? [04:16] i assume he's talking about missing docstrings [04:16] i'm sure we'll get false positives, so we should establish a coding guideline for addressing and resolving them [04:16] We have a lot of missing docstrings. database.person is a good example [04:17] sinzui: we'll make the next person to touch person.py fix them :) === barry proposes the policy: you touch it you fix it (YTIYFI) :) [04:17] pylint does need some training, or a plugin to capture some of our style. [04:17] or maybe: YTIYOI (you touch it you own it) [04:18] barry: Person is too big. (that is another pylint warning). [04:18] sinzui: yeah, that's a well known problem (there might even be a bug open on that) [04:18] sinzui: will we be able to commit a config file to train pylint so all developers can benefit from that, or will they all have to add something to a ~-dot file? [04:19] I added a loose and a strict config file that we can edit. [04:19] sinzui: cool. [04:19] The make targets just switch the config file. === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad [04:20] sinzui: thanks very much for doing this. i'm sure we'll discuss it more on the general list. anything else? === sinzui stopped short of adding a line length check for all doctests. === barry may want to debate that later [04:21] sinzui: done? [04:21] yes [04:21]