[01:20] <r3m0t> I have /etc/wpa_supplicant/
[01:21] <timstokman> looking for the .conf
[01:21] <timstokman> hmm, then it must have moved
[01:21] <timstokman> damm
[01:21] <timstokman> thnx anyway
[01:22] <smallfoot-> shouldnt Ubuntu have a "safe-mode" option?
[01:22] <r3m0t> safe enough for what?
[01:23] <bjb1959> I had ubuntu gutsy up and running with the latest driver and compiz-fusion working except that the system would freeze after about 30 minutes of inactivity. I read that disabling dpms in xorg and at the bios level would help but it didn't so I tried to downgrade my driver to 1.0-9755 and that is when the problem started. now I can't get the restricted driver to work.... help
[01:23] <aLeSD> I'm sorry : if I set custom effects .. nothing happen ... and if I close and reopen the window I find the extra option set
[01:25] <smallfoot-> r3m0t, if ubuntu dont work normally
[01:25] <timseves> Anyone tried to boot Gutsy LiveCD over PXE?
[01:26] <r3m0t> smallfoot-: there's the "recovery mode" option in GRUB that brings you to single-user mode, without graphics. what else did you want?
[01:26] <smallfoot-> r3m0t, didnt know about "recovery mode", how do i get to it?
[01:27] <r3m0t> smallfoot-: when you boot up, wait for "Stage 1.5 loading" and "Press ESC to enter menu" and you have about 3 seconds to press ESC
[01:27] <riotkittie> safe mode. oye vey.
[01:27] <smallfoot-> oh
[01:27] <twodeko> anyone having issues with the gutsy beta installer CD?  mine makes it to the default brown background with a mouse and then hangs, and i eventually lose my display
[01:27] <smallfoot-> r3m0t, when im in "recovery mode", am i inside grub or ubuntu?
[01:27] <bjb1959> I had ubuntu gutsy up and running with the latest driver and compiz-fusion working except that the system would freeze after about 30 minutes of inactivity. I read that disabling dpms in xorg and at the bios level would help but it didn't so I tried to downgrade my driver to 1.0-9755 and that is when the problem started. now I can't get the restricted driver to work.... help
[01:28] <r3m0t> smallfoot-: ubuntu
[01:28] <twodeko> i have tried the safe video mode as well, no luck
[01:28] <smallfoot-> cool
[01:29] <bjb1959> Can anyone help me?
[01:32] <sobersabre> gnomefreak: is "command-not-found" - a bash builtin ?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> no
[01:32] <gnomefreak> !info command-not-found
[01:32] <ubotu> command-not-found: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. In component main, is standard. Version 0.2.8ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 96 kB
[01:38] <Vorian> hmm
[01:38] <agroker>  how to switch off the loud system beep under GG (I do not have X yet)?
[01:38] <Vorian> azureus keeps crashing
[01:38] <kitche> agroker: either rmmod pcspkr or add an option to your .bashrc
[01:38] <sobersabre> ok, why did you call it a "builtin" then ?
[01:39] <jrib> agroker: set bell-style none
[01:39] <sobersabre> for me a "builtin" is something that has no executable file. like "echo"
[01:39] <sobersabre> ( as opposed to "echo" which is in /bin/echo )
[01:39] <kitche> jrib: ah that is it :)
[01:39] <jrib> in .inputrc
[01:39] <agroker> kitche, thanks
[01:40] <MarcC> anybody using Kubuntu Gutsy?
[01:41] <sobersabre> MarcC: what is the question ?
[01:41] <agroker> jrib, sorry, do I type it in the shell?
[01:41] <MarcC> sobersabre: I'd like to know if you can change the target gamma through KControl Display Settings in Kubuntu Gutsy, or if that bug still exists?
[01:42] <jrib> agroker: in ~/.inputrc
[01:42] <sobersabre> MarcC: you can refer to package revision history.
[01:42] <agroker> jrib, oic, thanks
[01:42] <sobersabre> I don't know exactly.
[01:42] <MarcC> sobersabre: thank you, where can I find the revision history?
[01:43] <jrib> agroker: typing works temporarily
[01:43] <sobersabre> each package has a maintainer. each new version has a release note, which often has "revision log", "changes" etc.
[01:43] <sobersabre> I must leave.
[01:43] <sobersabre> good night.
[01:50] <brandon_> has anybody gotten the nvidia driver to work?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> MarcC: changelog are on LP and in the source package.
[01:51] <gnomefreak> brandon_: yes easy
[01:51] <gnomefreak> brandon_: restricted-manager
[01:51] <brandon_> gnomefreak: version mismatch
[01:51] <gnomefreak> upgrade huh?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> version mismatch on drivers or the r-m
[01:52] <aLeSD> brandon_: me
[01:52] <brandon_> gnomefreak: it worked after i upgraded to gutsy. it stopped working a couple of days ago
[01:53] <gnomefreak> brandon_: if you used envy or got the drivers from nvidia.com in the past than you need to remove anything that envy or nvidia.sh built
[01:53] <gnomefreak> brandon_: or make sure you are booted to the kernel that the drivers were installed for
[01:54] <brandon_> gnomefreak: i used envy in the past, but not with the gutsy kernels, so i don't see why anything envy built should still be around
[01:54] <gnomefreak> those are most common issues with that error
[01:54] <gnomefreak> brandon_: you used it in feisty?
[01:54] <brandon_> yes
[01:54] <gnubuntu11> i get an error with xrandr in xgl session: X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> brandon_: ubuntu cant upgrade the restricted-modules envy built hence the version mismatch
[01:55] <brandon_> well, which packages should i get rid of to purge the envy modules?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> brandon_: you need to remove them not sure how you are gonna do that without knowing how it was built. envy uses nvidia.sh drivers and they build thier own kernel modules and that is the reason for error
[01:56] <gnomefreak> brandon_: you need to FIND where they are if you can tell the differnece. notice find is capped. that is a command to use
[01:56] <gnomefreak> btw for further info
[01:56] <threethirty> hello all
[01:56] <gnomefreak> !envy
[01:56] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[01:57] <brandon_> greeeat
[01:57] <gnomefreak> no it not a joke
[01:57] <gnomefreak> brandon_: do you have envy installed
[01:57] <gnomefreak> might have a way
[01:57] <brandon_> right now i do
[01:57] <gnomefreak> brandon_: good
[01:57] <|rgunn|> hey all have you experienced greatly increased delays after login to displaying a ready desktop after upgrading to gutsy?
[01:57] <brandon_> yeah i know it has a "remove nvidia driver" option
[01:58] <gnomefreak> brandon_: i heard the maintainer added a way to remove nvidia drivers and kernel modules please look into that (try the website)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> brandon_: but it wont remove the modules
[01:59] <brandon_> i don't understand that
[01:59] <gnomefreak> brandon_: see the website for more info. the easiest messiest way is to reinstall (but you will have better results)
[01:59] <gnomefreak> give me a sec
[01:59] <gnomefreak> NOTE: Envy does NOT REMOVE your RESTRICTED MODULES ANY MORE. Therefore you can use it even if you connect to the Internet through your wireless card.
[02:00] <brandon_> the nvidia driver is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers is it not?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> that is a hint not to use it
[02:00] <gnomefreak> brandon_: the kernel modules arnt afaik
[02:00] <gnomefreak> screw nvidia modules
[02:00] <gnomefreak> you want the kernel modules
[02:01] <brandon_> well the kernels i was using in feisty aren't here anymore, and i haven't used envy on gutsy
[02:01] <gnomefreak> as we install linux-restricted-modules well using the script installs thier own
[02:01] <gnomefreak> brandon_: the modules not the kernel
[02:01] <aLeSD> how to configure the compiz-fusion effects
[02:01] <aLeSD> '
[02:01] <gnomefreak> WARNING: you will have to remove the driver you installed with Envy before upgrading Debian or Ubuntu to a newer release (e.g. upgrading Ubuntu Edgy to Ubuntu Feisty or Debian Etch to Debian Lenny)
[02:01] <aLeSD> ?
[02:01] <brandon_> what should i look for with the find command?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> ^^^ also for ubuntu versions
[02:02] <fluffles> hi people, trying to use Remote Desktop on 7.10, but it seems it listens only on IPv6 ("tcp6" in netstat) and not on IPv4 ("tcp"). is this a firewall issue or what?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> nvidia-kernel-modules nvidia-resticted-modules im not sure i never used it
[02:03] <gnomefreak> brandon_: last time i used upstream drivers was dapper devel period give or take
[02:03] <gnomefreak> fluffles: are you on ipv6 bychance?
[02:03] <brandon_> oh, it's no problem to remove those packages
[02:04] <gnomefreak> brandon_: keep looking i dont remember the name of them
[02:04] <fluffles> gnomefreak: it shows an IPv6 listening socket, but the rest of my network is IPv4, including the DHCP server
[02:04] <gnomefreak> fluffles: ok you said you were not on ipv4 thats why i asled
[02:04] <fluffles> i've searched google on this, some think its a firewall issue
[02:04] <gnomefreak> asked
[02:04] <fluffles> though my iptables appear empty (though the command responds)
[02:05] <gnomefreak> brandon_: how did you upgrade
[02:06] <threethirty> is there a way to add more virtual desktops, two just isn't cutting it
[02:06] <brandon_> you mean from feisty to gutsy?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> theyes look in compiz configure
[02:06] <threethirty> gutsy
[02:07] <gnomefreak> brandon_: i mean with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or gksudo update-manager -d
[02:07] <brandon_> upgrade and dist-upgrade both after altering sources.list to gutsy repos
[02:07] <gnomefreak> this is more important than you can imagine
[02:07] <gnomefreak> brandon_: :(
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i put all this time into getting update-manager to do the work for everyone and noone reads the docs on how to upgrade
[02:08] <gunny> threethirty: compiz config manager general options , desktop size??
[02:08] <jmg> gnomefreak: i thought it only did it when the new release was out
[02:08] <brandon_> gnomefreak: i also run updatemanager -c -d every day
[02:08] <gnomefreak> brandon_: can you post the 3 files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[02:08] <gunny> gnomefreak: thats if your using compiz
[02:08] <gnomefreak> jmg: no -d is developemnt
[02:09] <gnomefreak> gunny: if not its still in gconf
[02:09] <gnomefreak> gconf-editor
[02:09] <gnomefreak> either way
[02:09] <gunny> threethirty: soz wrong target
[02:10] <gnomefreak> brandon_: nevermind i already have them for mvo
[02:10] <threethirty> gunny: im using the compiz manager that comes default, i should have said that before
[02:11] <gnomefreak> brandon_: if you dont need linux-restricted-modules to stay connected try to remove them see if it gets rid of nvidias also. there is a risky way that might just work
[02:12] <brandon_> unfortunately i use an atheros based wifi card
[02:12] <gunny> threethirty: so you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:12] <gnomefreak> brandon_: if feeling risky download upstream drivers and run them once they built nad replace the other ones run the uninstaller (read docs first)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> brandon_: ^^^ should help
[02:13] <gnomefreak> but risky as in if you dont read docs your in same state or worse if you read docs it still may not work like a charm but it should work
[02:13] <threethirty> gunny: the last time i did that I had to reinstall, some plug-in when crazy and was locking my system up, so i guess i8m going to have to deal with two
[02:13] <gunny> threethirty: that will become available under System/Prefs/Advanced Desktop Effects
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ill bbl
[02:13] <gunny> threethirty: works ok for me fingers crossed
[02:14] <brandon_> gnomefreak: how do you mean 'upstream drivers'?
[02:14] <threethirty> gunny: mine we crossed when i installed it, i really just wanted the fish in the cube
[02:15] <gnomefreak> nvidia.com
[02:16] <brandon_> gnomefreak: no, i'm staying with what's in the repos
[02:16] <gnomefreak> brandon_: no your not
[02:16] <kitche> threethirty: that is aquarium or something like that
[02:17] <gnomefreak> brandon_: it errors you need to remove the damn modules installing upstream drivers atleast they allow you to remove the modules
[02:17] <gnomefreak> than your all fixed :)
[02:17] <threethirty> kitche: i couldn't keep the system running long enough to find it
[02:18] <gnomefreak> but do as you wish just keep in mind ubuntu does not support envy nor nvidia.com drivers so your problem is not ubuntu related get intouch with the envy maintainer and ask him how to remove them
[02:19] <gnomefreak> good night
[02:21] <databuddy> next gen ipod help plz...
[02:22] <kitche> databuddy: good luck with getting it to work don't think programs can really use the new ipods yet
[02:23] <gunny> threethirty: i dont think that plugin (aquarium) is included by default
[02:37] <josh__> !ntfs
[02:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ok... the fglrx driver made my computer uncapable of suspending.
[02:38] <josh__> hey, whats up with the ntfs support in 7.10?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> and ideas on how to fix it/see exactly what is wrong?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> josh__: I hear there is full r/w support
[02:38] <josh__> interesting...
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> yalp
[02:41] <bkudria> i have a strange problem - none of my KDE apps can access anything over http:// .  firefox works fine, and ftp:// in konqueror works well also, just http (and https).  what might be wrong?  i'm running the latest gutsy...
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: your netowork manager is telling all KDE apps that you do not have internet access
[02:44] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: really?  ftp access works fine...
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: odd...
[02:45] <bkudria> yes, very, but it seems you're right!  killing knetworkmanager makes everything work
[02:45] <bkudria> thank you thank you!
[02:46] <bkudria> i spent very much time with this problem
[02:46] <bkudria> i guess it only restricts http and not anything else
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> I guess os.
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> *so
[02:47] <bkudria> i guess i'll try to get knetwork manager to work, but it's alwas been a bit quirky for me
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: do you have wireless?
[02:47] <bkudria> yes
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> ah ok... otherwise its not neccesary
[02:47] <bkudria> but even with a wired connection it shows me as disconnected
[02:47] <bkudria> how would i go about resetting the config and letting it rediscover everything?
[02:48] <bkudria> hmm, started it again, but everything still works
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: thats good. there is a way to tell all kde apps to ignore it, but I forget how.
[02:49] <bkudria> ok, thanks, i'll keep playing with it
[02:50] <bkudria> thanks a lot!
[02:51] <CarlFK> is the feisty installation-guide-i386 somewhere online?
[02:53] <pvh> I've just installed a fresh Gutsy on my laptop and I'd like to get the external monitors working.
[02:54] <CarlFK> oh yeah, gutsy installation-guide-i386
[02:54] <pvh> I've taken a look at some of the discussion out there and it looks like xRandR might be a good way to go for me. Am I barking up the right tree?
[02:54] <CarlFK> pvh: I think that is vid card dependent
[02:54] <pvh> Oh, my graphics card is an ATI Radeon X1600 Mobility.
[02:55] <CarlFK> I know for nvidia I had to use the binary driver
[02:56] <CarlFK> but I haven't looked at that in over a year, so maybe the stock drivers will do it
[03:06] <TQuid> Anyone else noticing that google toolbar's bookmarks doesn't work? is this specific to gutsy or should I go yell at google?
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> ewww,  you use that thing?
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> jk
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> have not tried it
[03:08] <PirateHead> I'm having trouble with X on my Gutsy install. When it tries to start, it just sits there and displays abolsutely nothing to the screen. As in, the screen is black as if the computer were turned off. Anybody got a suggestion?
[03:08] <TQuid> The central bookmark storage is handy for me. Yes, I'm a google whore. I hang my head in shame.
[03:08] <gunny> anyone experiencing much longer delay after login to having the desktop ready after upgrade from fesity to gutsy?
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:08] <TQuid> PirateHead, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm) stop and then run startx from a console, see what it says.
[03:09] <TQuid> gunny, I had been but it got faster again last night after an update.
[03:09] <TQuid> Oh, wait, i'm not an upgrader, installed gutsy to begin with. Nevermind.
[03:09] <gunny> TQuid: mine is so much slower than it was under feisty
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> i use google's iGoogle
[03:09] <TQuid> Oh boy! New kernel image!
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> ya joy!
[03:09] <PirateHead> TQuid: startx does not say anything. It simply goes black.
[03:10] <TQuid> OK, now do ctl-alt-backspace and you should have some goo in your console.
[03:10] <gunny> TQuid: and I ave upgraded everything
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> PirateHead, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> PirateHead, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart for kubuntu or gdm for ubuntu
[03:10] <PirateHead> TQuid: I can still use CTRL+ALT+F# to switch to a different terminal, though. This is on Ubuntu Gusty Beta.
[03:11] <pvh> CarlFK: so should xrandr let me enable and disable screens?
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> then use gdm
[03:11] <Xero> s/Gusty/Gutsy
[03:11] <PirateHead> I did use gdm.
[03:11] <Laibsch> The latest update crashed and upon reboot I am stuck with some dpkg trouble: http://rafb.net/p/nWavKO47.html
[03:11] <PirateHead> Then I tried startx. Then it did the same thing again.
[03:11] <Laibsch> Anybody know how to fix this?
[03:11] <Laibsch> dpkg --configure -a does nothing
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:12] <Laibsch> Any of the other tricks don't seem to do the magic either.
[03:12] <Laibsch> nomasteryoda: So the line just above yours
[03:12] <Laibsch> nomasteryoda: See the line just above yours
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> PirateHead, you did "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"?
[03:13] <PirateHead> nomasteryoda: correct.
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> ok, so PirateHead you have an nvidia video card?
[03:14] <PirateHead> As a side note, I'm using KDE on SUSE currently so I don't expect you to be able to answer this, but how to you shutdown SKIM?
[03:14] <PirateHead> How do I tell which video card I have?
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> how about killall -9 SKIM?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> PirateHead: "lspci"
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> lspci
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> WOW! gutsy improved my audio quality by leaps and bounds!!
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> WOWWWW!!!
[03:15] <PirateHead> lspci isn't available on SUSE, so I don't know.
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> super
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> err yes it is
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> su /sbin/lspci should run it
[03:15] <PirateHead> ah. It just didn't do it when I typed lspci and nothign else
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> it does i mean .... unless they just dropped it in past month
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:16] <TQuid> Time to reboot into new kernel. If I don't come back, tell mom I love her.
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> they went the evil route of protecting the user from sbins
[03:17] <yell0w> hey guys, i'm running a compaq with ati x200 fglrx on gutsy. how should i get the function key to switch to external display ?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> yell0w: that doesn't work for me either.... I don't think the function switch works in Linux
[03:18] <EminX> can somebody help me about 3d desktop
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> EminX: #ubuntu-effects
[03:18] <EminX> Ubuntu 7.10
[03:18] <erichj> his is a gutsy issue though
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> what video card EminX ?
[03:18] <yell0w> nosrednaekim, it works for print , lock screen, suspend, brightness , etc...
[03:19] <EminX> nomasteryoda: nVidia 64mb
[03:19] <yell0w> just not for exporting to another monitor
[03:19] <yell0w> :/
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> yell0w: hmmm.
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> yell0w: hot plug doesn't work anyway...
[03:19] <EminX> I think it's enough for these effects
[03:19] <EminX> 768ddr
[03:19] <yell0w> nosrednaekim, is there something that works ?
[03:20] <EminX> nosrednaekim: I was in #ubuntu, they noticed me to com here, now you are telling me to go #ubuntu-effects
[03:20] <erichj> EminX, what model though, tnt2, geforce 2..mx?
[03:21] <EminX> erichj: ge force 4
[03:21] <EminX> I think there are enough hardware recourse for that effect
[03:21] <erichj> EminX, check your xorg.conf file and tell me what driver you are using
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> EminX, that should be the nvidia-glx drivers if I'm not mistaken
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> ods are it shows.... "nv"
[03:22] <erichj> hmm
[03:22] <EminX> erichj: the drivers just have been updated, before 2 min
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> EminX: thats correct ;)
[03:23] <erichj> then perhaps he needs to run dpkg reconfigure?
[03:23] <erichj> for x
[03:24] <EminX> nosrednaekim: any idea, in #ubuntu-effects it looks everyone is sleeping
[03:24] <EminX> are*
[03:25] <erichj> is
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> EminX: alright... then you need nvidia-glx
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> EminX: restart, and on login, run "compiz --replace"
[03:28] <EminX> nosrednaekim: how can i see exactly what drivers i have installed in vga
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> in vga?
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> EminX: do you mean which ones you are running?
[03:29] <EminX> nosrednaekim: I just want let you know that, some effects just started working, as you know when you draging any window
[03:29] <EminX> yes
[03:29] <EminX> nosrednaekim: yes which
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> EminX: oh... ok, now just go get compiz-config-settings-manager
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> and turn them all on ;)
[03:30] <erichj> system->admin->screens and graphics
[03:30] <erichj> then click driver
[03:30] <erichj> graphics card
[03:30] <erichj> sorry
[03:30] <EminX> erichj: ok
[03:31] <erichj> and the driver box will tell you what is currently running
[03:31] <EminX> erichj: it looks like that
[03:32] <EminX> erichj: when I click on nVidia
[03:32] <erichj> the driver just says nVidia?
[03:33] <EminX> it's selected : Choose driver by model: , then there is NVIDIA selected, and Ge force 4
[03:33] <EminX> erichj: (generic)
[03:34] <EminX> nosrednaekim: can you repeat please
[03:34] <EminX> erichj: can I choose driver by name, is there any risk
[03:34] <erichj> ok, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[03:35] <crdlb> erichj, doesn't support his card
[03:35] <crdlb> don't do that
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> right like i said ... nvidia-glx
[03:35] <erichj> hold on...geforce 4? right?
[03:36] <EminX> erichj: yes
[03:36] <erichj> ok, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <crdlb> EminX, glxinfo|grep direct
[03:36] <EminX> ok
[03:37] <erichj> possibly need legacy, looking at my mp3 server to see what it's running. i know the geforce 4 in there runs compiz just fine in gutsy
[03:37] <EminX> erichj: nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[03:37] <EminX> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 208 not upgraded.
[03:37] <crdlb> no he doesn't need legacy
[03:37] <crdlb> EminX, glxinfo|grep direct
[03:38] <EminX> crdlb: ok
[03:38] <EminX> crdlb: direct rendering: Yes
[03:39] <agroker_> after upgrade I have troubles with my X session - none of the WM can survive, except safe terminal, my .xsession_errors says something about improper usage of the gtk+ (I use flgrx with Radeon X1300 btw)
[03:39] <crdlb> then the problem is not with your driver
[03:39] <erichj> should be working
[03:39] <crdlb> what exactly doesn't work?
[03:40] <EminX> desk 3d effect
[03:40] <erichj> ....the cube?
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> is this ubuntu oficial channel ?
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: for gutsy, yes
[03:40] <erichj> RobertStuffers, for gutsy beta, #ubutnu is official
[03:41] <EminX> erichj: yes the cube
[03:41] <erichj> #ubuntu
[03:41] <RobertStuffers> whats gutsy means ?
[03:41] <erichj> yeah, thats under custom and you need the compiz manager for that
[03:41] <erichj> it's not enabled by default, window slide is
[03:42] <RobertStuffers> i had lots of trojan in my xp im willing to take the plunge
[03:42] <EminX> erichj: yes window slide is
[03:42] <erichj> gutsy is the release name for the next version of ubuntu
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: gutsy is the development version... slightly unstable
[03:42] <EminX> erichj: compiz manager ?
[03:42] <RobertStuffers> is there anti trojan soft for gutsy ?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> !virus | RobertStuffers
[03:42] <ubotu> RobertStuffers: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:43] <erichj> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:43] <EminX> erichj: ok
[03:43] <erichj> once it installs you will find it under system->prefs
[03:44] <erichj> wait i might have made a mistake
[03:45] <erichj> you might want gnome-compiz-manager
[03:45] <EminX> erichj:E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:45] <erichj> sudo dpkg configure -a
[03:45] <crdlb> err no
[03:45] <crdlb> close synaptic
[03:45] <erichj> wait
[03:45] <erichj> yeah
[03:45] <RobertStuffers> hey what if i install 3th party programs on my gutsy setup ?
[03:45] <crdlb> and you don't want gnome-compiz-manager
[03:45] <RobertStuffers> that could install vermin too ?
[03:46] <EminX> erichj: I'm waiting
[03:46] <erichj> did you close synaptic?
[03:46] <crdlb> EminX, for what?
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: possibly...
[03:47] <RobertStuffers> so i do need anti spyware stuff
[03:47] <erichj> crdlb does he want compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:47] <EminX> erichj: can you help me on that
[03:47] <crdlb> yes
[03:47] <erichj> k
[03:47] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: or you could just be smart about your 3rd party
[03:47] <erichj> either the synaptic window is open, or the process is running and you need to kill it
[03:48] <EminX> erichj: I can't identify that, can you help me doing that
[03:48] <erichj> system->admin->system monitor
[03:48] <RobertStuffers> how do i secure my gutsy behond any shadow of doubt to be vermin bullet proof ?
[03:48] <erichj> then click process tab
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> EminX: run "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"
[03:48] <erichj> nosrednaekim, dpkg is locked
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[03:49] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:49] <EminX> erichj: process tab
[03:49] <erichj> already recommended that
[03:49] <EminX> I'm here
[03:49] <erichj> crdlb said no
[03:49] <RobertStuffers> allbert wisestein ?
[03:49] <erichj> look for the synaptic process or the dpkg process
[03:49] <erichj> probably dpkg
[03:49] <crdlb> dpkg --configure -a isn't going to fix this by itself
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: don't install anything besides stuff from the official repositories
[03:50] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: dont install 3rd party cruft
[03:50] <RobertStuffers> damn
[03:50] <erichj> once you find the running process, right click on it and select kill process
[03:50] <EminX> there is no dpkg process
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> EminX: is there adept or synaptic?
[03:50] <RobertStuffers> that makes gustsy boring
[03:50] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: you're boring
[03:50] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: you could also install trend for linux
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: but there are 22000 packages in the repositories.
[03:50] <EminX> nosrednaekim: no
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> if at last resort, you can do this... "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[03:51] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: plant.
[03:51] <RobertStuffers> 22000 packages of cruft
[03:51] <erichj> first try sudo dpkg configure -a
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> yes try that first
[03:51] <RobertStuffers> plant ?
[03:51] <EminX> ok
[03:51] <jmg_> you're a plant
[03:52] <RobertStuffers> you are e vermin
[03:52] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: so you shouldnt be taking advice from me. talk to your microsoft partner
[03:52] <EminX> erichj: less or more
[03:53] <EminX> erichj: Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[03:53] <RobertStuffers> you mean spywaresoft partner ?
[03:53] <erichj> is tee installed by default?
[03:53] <EminX> I don't know
[03:53] <erichj> more
[03:54] <EminX> Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[03:54] <EminX> usage: more [-dflpcsu]  [+linenum | +/pattern]  name1 name2 ...
[03:54] <RobertStuffers> what use is a os that you cant install 3th party software ?
[03:54] <RobertStuffers> is that trirany or what ?!
[03:54] <erichj> RobertStuffers, all software for linux is third party
[03:54] <usser> so the updates are rolled out on almost daily basis huh?
[03:54] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: you can audit the source code yourself
[03:55] <RobertStuffers> i guess thats why thers lots of difrent packages fro each ditro :D
[03:55] <RobertStuffers> distro
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> isn't this an #off-topic thing?
[03:55] <usser> RobertStuffers: why of course u can
[03:55] <erichj> EminX, try less
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> we're trying to help folks here... not beat down the competition
[03:56] <erichj> no one has to lose for linux to win
[03:56] <RobertStuffers> audit the source code ?
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> exactly erichj
[03:56] <RobertStuffers> i guess i could if i had a master degre in pulling spyware from obfuscated code
[03:57] <Xero> RobertStuffers, Canonical checks the code for spyware.
[03:57] <EminX> erichj: thanks a lot for your help, and just one more question
[03:57] <erichj> you won't find spyware, beauty of open source
[03:57] <Xero> Many people in this very channel audit the code.
[03:57] <erichj> EminX, sure..shoot
[03:57] <Xero> Spyware and virii can't survive on a Linux system becuase of the hostile environment.
[03:57] <RobertStuffers> jmg_: reads all its programs code 3 times before instaling it :D
[03:57] <Xero> !linuxvirus
[03:58] <ubotu> The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:58] <EminX> erichj: I'm running now partial upgrade, do you think that can affect anything
[03:58] <Xero> That's why there are no Linux virii/spyware.
[03:58] <usser> wow this todays compiz update made things fly
[03:58] <Xero> usser, it's slightly slower for me.
[03:58] <erichj> EminX, well as gutsy isn't not yet stable...that is a possibilty.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Xero: canonical?  no.  ubuntu developers - yes.
[03:59] <RobertStuffers> i was trying to get clamav to work in windows and it always faild
[03:59] <RobertStuffers> failed
[03:59] <erichj> RobertStuffers, i was trying to get windows to work for me and it failed
[03:59] <RobertStuffers> does gutsy have that clamav File system ?
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> yea its there
[04:00] <erichj> clamav on linux is there to protect the windows computers on your network
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> antivirus program you mean... and just like erichj said... protect windows system
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> s
[04:00] <RobertStuffers> i dont what to make a network
[04:00] <erichj> well you are a windows user...understandable
[04:00] <RobertStuffers> i want to install softwaere and have fun with it
[04:01] <RobertStuffers> ive used linux before you know
[04:01] <Xero> RobertStuffers, twenty two thousand official packages, and 3rd party source code.
[04:01] <usser> Xero: hm i just had compiz on and just updated and restarted it and its like twice as fast ))
[04:01] <Xero> You'd think you would be happy.
[04:02] <EminX> erichj: you know what's the problem exactly, slide and some other options are working, but cube isn't working, I will try later again, maybe somebody will find a solution, Thank You very much, see you
[04:02] <hydrogen> of course
[04:02] <kitche> usser: compiz with compiz-fusion?
[04:02] <usser> Xero: compiz-fusion
[04:02] <hydrogen> you have to considder that only a smallish subset of those are actually packages
[04:02] <usser> Xero: yea
[04:02] <hydrogen> as ubuntu/debian likes to split packages up
[04:02] <hydrogen> are actually programs*
[04:02] <RobertStuffers> xero 22000 packges of mostlly cruft
[04:02] <EminX> much thanks and for others
[04:03] <Xero> RobertStuffers, tell me what's cruft.
[04:03] <erichj> welcome
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> NP
[04:03] <RobertStuffers> i bet that if you had HDD space tyo install all that linux woulfnt even start
[04:03] <Xero> Most of it is for people who have a different preference from the normal stuff (Firefox package vs Kazehahase package)
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: betcha it would.
[04:03] <Xero> !flamer
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flamer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <Xero> crap
[04:04] <Xero> !flame
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flame - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <Xero> Super crap
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> !fire
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> !caveman
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about caveman - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <Xero> !idiot
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about idiot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <hydrogen> ..
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> he is in the stoneages.
[04:04] <kitche> usser: ah so ok compiz with compiz-fusion yeah I haven't really gotten around to install compiz-fusion addon yet sicne I m still trying to figure out if compiz is worth it or not
[04:04] <Xero> True.
[04:04] <erichj> i know i've gotten over 7000 processes going on my desktop before
[04:04] <RobertStuffers> stop spam
[04:04] <usser> Xero: blazing 200 fps in cube rotation
[04:04] <hydrogen> !spam
[04:04] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[04:04] <kitche> !msgthebot > Xero
[04:04] <RobertStuffers> or i call the ops on you
[04:05] <RobertStuffers> im robs best friend you know
[04:05] <Xero> Whatever. I was trying to find the thing to scold for flaming.
[04:05] <RobertStuffers> :D
[04:05] <Xero> usser, after restarting Compiz, I get 100FPS in cube rotate.
[04:06] <usser> the problem is the fire doesnt reall *burn* now, the darn thing moves too fast to it looks like bright yellowish glowing
[04:06] <RobertStuffers> whats your GFX crad ?
[04:06] <RobertStuffers> card
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> usser: slow it down..
[04:06] <Xero> Crappy NVidia GeForce4 MX4000, which wouldn't run Vista.
[04:06] <RobertStuffers> 32 megas ?
[04:07] <Xero> 128 megs
[04:07] <RobertStuffers> it would run vista ?
[04:07] <aka_youtube> is totem with gstreamer supposed to work fine?
[04:07] <Xero> It wouldn't.
[04:07] <Xero> Vista sucks anyway :)
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> aka_youtube: I think so.
[04:07] <erichj> my gma950 runs aero
[04:07] <RobertStuffers> havent tryed yet
[04:08] <RobertStuffers> the keygen had some virus atached to it
[04:08] <aka_youtube> nosrednaekim: I keep getting this: "nternal GStreamer error: pad problem.  Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer."
[04:08] <usser> nosrednaekim: is that particle slowdown setting??
[04:08] <usser> nosrednaekim: doesnt work
[04:08] <Xero> GMA950 will run anything, just because it's compatible.
[04:08] <RobertStuffers> any one familiar with w32.polip.a ?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> usser: I think its "animation duration" in the close(or whatever) setting
[04:09] <Xero> RobertStuffers, we don't need to be, because we're not prone to it.
[04:09] <RobertStuffers> what about the windwos machines on your network ?
[04:09] <Xero> I have none.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> I don't have any
[04:10] <usser> nosrednaekim: nah thats for close im talking about paint fire on the screen plugin
[04:10] <Xero> All Linux. The only Windows machine is the laptop and it doesn't get internet.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> usser: OHH!! that plugin never worked for me.
[04:10] <RobertStuffers> i bet theres lots of spyware for linux it just hapens the linux devs are better at conceling it
[04:10] <IndyGunFreak> lol, ya
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: then go look at the source and find some , ok?
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: see ya.
[04:11] <Xero> The kernel is spyware! Oh noes!
[04:11] <RobertStuffers> do you know hoe to read chines ?
[04:11] <Xero> Compiz is spyware!!! OH NOES!!!!!
[04:11] <RobertStuffers> i dont
[04:11] <RobertStuffers> samething with source code
[04:12] <usser> Xero: whats your video card?
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: sure I can read source code, and so can THOUSANDS of people like me.
[04:12] <Xero> NVidia Geforce4 MX4000 128MB, usser
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: well then
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: its up to you
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: either you can use a program thats guaranteed to have spyware on windows
[04:12] <usser> Xero: tnx )
[04:12] <RobertStuffers> i could read it too but couldnt understand it
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: or you can take the risk on linux
[04:13] <RobertStuffers> at least windows has good antivirus
[04:13] <Xero> At least windows has good viruses.
[04:13] <RobertStuffers> hiding the problem dosent make it go away
[04:13] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: then use windows
[04:14] <Xero> Hiding your face doesn't make it go away, either.
[04:14] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: I don't see what this discussion is about
[04:14] <Xero> hydrogen, neither do i.
[04:14] <hydrogen> Xero: your comments stopped being useful a hell of a long time ago
[04:14] <RobertStuffers> so you are geting personal on this are you Xero?
[04:14] <Xero> RobertStuffers, I was actually just joking, there.
[04:15] <erichj> we need an #ubuntu-flamewars channel
[04:15] <IndyGunFreak> but you don't make much sense
[04:15] <RobertStuffers> beware a could send you spyware
[04:15] <RobertStuffers> :D
[04:15] <RobertStuffers> just has a joke
[04:15] <IndyGunFreak> erichj: lol, i have a feeling that channel woul have to be unfiltered and unmoderated... cuz it would get ugly
[04:15] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: what are you looking for here?
[04:15] <Xero> Go ahead. I'll just rm it.
[04:15] <erichj> IndyGunFreak, yeah
[04:16] <IndyGunFreak> anybody know why gparted won't work w/ gutsy?
[04:16] <RobertStuffers> im not looking for anthing anymore
[04:16] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: okay, then why are you still here?
[04:16] <erichj> beta software....probably being worked on right now
[04:16] <Xero> RobertStuffers, can you do this? Also, I've looked at Compiz source code and it's clean.
[04:17] <Xero> http://flickr.com/xero2007
[04:17] <RobertStuffers> im here because i like it here
[04:17] <RobertStuffers> theres lots of chating going on
[04:17] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: okay, then try to keep the conversation on topic
[04:17] <hydrogen> Xero: you too
[04:17] <Xero> hydrogen, okay.
[04:17] <IndyGunFreak> anyone know wher eyou can download hte gparted source code and compile it.. see if maybe its the version in the repos causing trouble.
[04:18] <Xero> gparted.org, I think.
[04:18] <IndyGunFreak> ya, i found it, they kinda hide the tarballs.
[04:19] <RobertStuffers> i was really trying to get some live distro wuth some good antivrus to scan my windows with out it trying to conceal spywaer on system restore an stuff
[04:19] <h1st0> RobertStuffers: knoppix
[04:19] <h1st0> RobertStuffers: or ubuntu just use clamav
[04:20] <IndyGunFreak> yup, knoppix is what i was gonna suggest to.
[04:20] <RobertStuffers> knoppis has clamav ?
[04:20] <hydrogen> not sure about that
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> i think so
[04:20] <erichj> i thinks hirens boot cd is better
[04:20] <RobertStuffers> and ntfs write support
[04:20] <Xero> knoppix makes sure the spyware (if there actually was any) isn't running, so you can rm -rf its directory
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> erichj, EVIL
[04:20] <erichj> haha
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> please done recommend such illegal software in ubuntu channels
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> don't
[04:21] <Xero> hirens is illegal?
[04:21] <RobertStuffers> hirens ?
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:21] <Xero> What does it do?
[04:21] <h1st0> illegal?
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> it is
[04:21] <erichj> it's not illegal if you have licenses for the software
[04:21] <h1st0> What kind of stuff are you smoking
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> but the licenses for the software on that disk are illegal
[04:21] <RobertStuffers> whats hirens ?
[04:22] <hydrogen> it appears that knoppix does have clamav
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> because they are licensed to someone else...
[04:22] <h1st0> hydrogen: just use ubuntu and install it.
[04:22] <RobertStuffers> sound like just the thing i need
[04:22] <hydrogen> h1st0: can you install stuff on the livecd?
[04:22] <Xero> chroot to your install.
[04:22] <h1st0> RobertStuffers: there are plenty of apps availible.  There are system recovery cds etc...  I just use a usb stick with clam and ad aware etc... on it.
[04:22] <h1st0> hydrogen: yes
[04:22] <hydrogen> oh
[04:22] <hydrogen> didn't know that
[04:23] <hydrogen> does it just use a ramdisk?
[04:23] <erichj> the caveman show premiered tonight
[04:23] <IndyGunFreak> hydrogen: yeah, i install stuff on live CD all the time... but i don't usually install it to my hard drive, i just install it(simple things), then when youu restart, its gone.
[04:23] <h1st0> hydrogen: yeap
[04:23] <IndyGunFreak> helps when there's a program on the live cd  you need for some reason...
[04:24] <RobertStuffers> im going with hirens
[04:24] <erichj> booo
[04:24] <RobertStuffers> it dosent have trad markes spyware in ti by anychance ?
[04:24] <hydrogen> it might
[04:24] <erichj> loaded with it
[04:25] <erichj> it also installed microsoft bob
[04:26] <bazhang> and clippy
[04:26] <erichj> and that stupid dog
[04:26] <Xero> I think thats Rover.
[04:26] <jmg_> my name is mike
[04:26] <jmg_> his name is BOB.
[04:26] <Xero> Sleepytime
[04:26] <jmg_> in the darkness of the future past the magician longs to see
[04:27] <jmg_> one chants out between two worlds: fire, walk with me
[04:27] <erichj> he does this cute thing where he grabs the hard drive icons and drags them to the recycle bin
[04:27] <RobertStuffers> and that stupid einstain
[04:27] <hydrogen> topic..
[04:28] <erichj> this channel has a topic?
[04:28] <usser> hydrogen: u efforts are doomed to drown in the deep blue abyss of offtopic
[04:29] <hydrogen> usser: thats not all that likely
[04:29] <IndyGunFreak> well, compiling gparted didn't fix the gparted issue in gutsy
[04:29] <bazhang> the warning at the top of the chat page says 'don't use on production machines', I've found this beta to way more stable than Feisty. Is there anything left to fix?
[04:29] <usser> hydrogen: no im just kidding, are u an op though? )
[04:29] <RobertStuffers> ho my gosh my gutsy is looking so damn fine
[04:30] <usser> bazhang: well my bootsplash screen is distorted with a pretty standard res 1024x768
[04:30] <usser> bazhang: kdmtheme doesnt work properly
[04:30] <RobertStuffers> usser: thats just a thought out bug to make you have somthing to fix
[04:31] <bazhang> usser: right, and I get some weirdness on shutdown, but apart from that, it has been rock solid stable for all of two plus days.
[04:31] <usser> bazhang: mm what else firestarted crashes from time to time for no reason
[04:31] <RobertStuffers> usser: linux dosent really need firewalls
[04:31] <usser> RobertStuffers: ahah
[04:31] <bazhang> firestarter? the firewall, or firecrash, the browser?
[04:31] <RobertStuffers> thats no sptware virus for linux you know ?!
[04:31] <hydrogen> firecrash I'd asusme
[04:31] <usser> RobertStuffers: pfft im not digging through the piles of iptables nonsense
[04:31] <IndyGunFreak> RobertStuffers: i tend to disagree with that, i believe everyone with an always on connection,s hould have a hardware firewall, and flush any software firewalls, which is what i do.
[04:32] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: stop while you're ahead.
[04:32] <usser> bazhang: firestarter the firewall
[04:32] <bazhang> usser: thanks!
[04:32] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: you are obviously not technically savvy enough to keep this discussion correct
[04:32] <usser> also i hate how in kubuntu theres this dolphin manager instead of konqueror
[04:32] <RobertStuffers> ?
[04:32] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: you are confusing a firewall and antivirus
[04:33] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: thats not a good place to start when you begin to preach
[04:33] <RobertStuffers> im just passing on some information some linux users from this IRC network passed onto me
[04:33] <usser> does anyone use kubuntu?
[04:33] <bazhang> usser: I tend to disagree there; I think dolphin is a huge improvement over Konqueror as a file browser.
[04:33] <usser> gutsy?
[04:33] <usser> bazhang: mmm ok how do i do tabs in dolphin, could not find it
[04:33] <bazhang> usser: I'm using Kubuntu gutsy right now.
[04:33] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: you are passing it on after not understanding it fully
[04:34] <bazhang> usser: let me look...
[04:34] <RobertStuffers> knoppix dosent even has firewall
[04:34] <RobertStuffers> ;S
[04:34] <h1st0> Why would you need firewall on a live cd?
[04:34] <hydrogen> you really arn't that good at trolling..
[04:34] <hydrogen> I have to say
[04:34] <usser> bazhang: i hate how dolphin doesnt want to remember that i love address bar and keeps hiding it on every reload
[04:34] <RobertStuffers> i guess thats why some just recommended it to me just now
[04:35] <Hobbsee> usser: you chan change that
[04:35] <RobertStuffers> hydrogen: im just trying not to shouin you out of the 1st place under that category
[04:36] <usser> Hobbsee: oh i can?
[04:36] <bazhang> usser: I'm sorry; I'm using compiz and not sure how to get tabs going--not apparent in the preferences..
[04:36] <Hobbsee> usser: i managed to, so yes
[04:36] <Hobbsee> usser: it's in the preferenes stuff
[04:37] <usser> Hobbsee: right got it, its just that the minute i saw dolphin and could find the tab settings i switched back to konq
[04:37] <usser> Hobbsee: alright is there tabs to?
[04:37] <bazhang> usser: by tabs, do you mean split view? that I can do.
[04:37] <RobertStuffers> dont you just love it how windows firewall says its blocking something from connecting to the internet and lets it connect all the same ?!
[04:37] <extra> Hi, the graphics applet won't do my intel.. I choose intel, click test, and it reverts to vesa
[04:37] <usser> bazhang: no tabs like in firefox or opera or konqueror
[04:37] <extra> any help?
[04:38] <bazhang> usser: you want to use it as a web browser?
[04:38] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: that still isn't on topic..
[04:38] <Hobbsee> usser: there's a split screen view
[04:38] <usser> bazhang: no, file manager im just used to tabs
[04:38] <Hobbsee> usser: which only works for 2, i know :(
[04:38] <RobertStuffers> theres no microdoft channel on this network !
[04:38] <usser> Hobbsee: see
[04:38] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: yes there is.  ##windows.
[04:38] <usser> Hobbsee: i usually have minimum 5 open
[04:38] <RobertStuffers> OMG !
[04:38] <Hobbsee> usser: konq is still there.
[04:39] <RobertStuffers> what happend to #windows ?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> it got forwarded.  and that's still offtopic
[04:39] <usser> Hobbsee: its not default though ) and i could not find the setting for making it so
[04:40] <usser> is dolphin kde invention or just gutsy specific?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> usser: true.  might look at making that the default behaviour, actually
[04:40] <RobertStuffers> Hobbsee: could you please explain me this "forwarding politics" ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> usser: it's a kde invention - kde4 uses it.
[04:40] <hydrogen> dolphin is a kde app that started off in kde3 but really became big in kde4
[04:40] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: channel forwards?  forwards from one channel to another.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: please ask in #freenode
[04:41] <hydrogen> gutsy uses the kde3 version as default to get users ready for dolphin in later releases
[04:41] <hydrogen> I believe
[04:41] <Zoiks> have they fixed the 1680 x 1050 resolution problem yet?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yup
[04:41] <RobertStuffers> why theres no one chating on #freenode ?
[04:41] <hydrogen> they must recognize your nick
[04:41] <hydrogen> i mean
[04:41] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[04:41] <usser> hydrogen: oh so its bound to change where do i send complaints? ))) jk
[04:41] <IndyGunFreak> its a conspiracy, they all have you on ignore.. i'm there now and its quite lively
[04:41] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: because timezones exist.
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> RobertStuffers, cause they're all on #ubuntu ... hehe
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> not on the net
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> =D
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> jk
[04:42] <RobertStuffers> is it true that you cant use oficial nvidas drivers with ubuntu ?
[04:42] <usser> omg is he a bot or what?
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> RobertStuffers, if it exists, you can
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> takes work
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <RobertStuffers> but its 2th party
[04:42] <RobertStuffers> its not open source !
[04:42] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: well, duh.
[04:43] <hydrogen> Hobbsee: its a brickwall cause
[04:43] <Zoiks> 2 questions about gutsy
[04:43] <usser> shoot
[04:43] <IndyGunFreak> BANG!
[04:43] <hydrogen> Hobbsee: read the buffer if you want some history
[04:43] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: that wont stop you - but it would be pointless to write bugs about it to the ubuntu people.
[04:43] <usser> DEAD
[04:43] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> think its time he takes a ride down the bittube?
[04:43] <usser> hehe
[04:43] <Zoiks> 1. how hard is it to run a vpc with windows on it? and what sort of performance penalty is there?
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> router-rooter... internet & tube service
[04:44] <Zoiks> 2. i have an nvidia card but cant set 1680 x 1050 as my res... when will they fix this?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> Zoiks: it ran awful for me... i only need XP for my GPS device, and i found it either to just have a 15gig xP partition, and when i have to deal with my GPS, i boot it.
[04:44] <RobertStuffers> im really afraid to use linux now that they figured out how to write to ntfs !
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: VPC?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: dude...offtopic
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: you mean a virtual machine?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: i tok that to mean virtual machine.
[04:44] <Zoiks> yeah
[04:44] <frostburn> IndyGunFreak, can you use a vm instead of a separate partition
[04:44] <Zoiks> sorry nosrednaekim
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: how much RAM do you have?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> frostburn: that was what i tried, i figured thats what he was asking about.
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> good
[04:44] <usser> Zoiks: running vmware on amd64 this very moment not very hard
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> riddance
[04:45] <Zoiks> 1.5gb nosrednaekim
[04:45] <usser> Zoiks: that should be enough for xp
[04:45] <Zoiks> i have an opteron 165
[04:45] <IndyGunFreak> usser: it wasn'[t hard to setup, just performance was awful
[04:45] <Zoiks> but run i386 linux because of compatability issues of x64 linux
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: yeah... give XP 512 and you should be good.
[04:46] <usser> Xero: that docker on your pictures is it 3d?
[04:46] <IndyGunFreak> Zoiks: same here, i tried it with feisty and XP in VM, and it was horrible.
[04:46] <usser> Xero: what is it like kibadock?
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: performace difference is not that bad,
[04:46] <usser> Zoiks: well not really the only thing i found not working is the latest java
[04:46] <frostburn> windows flp is good for vms as well, no cruft
[04:46] <Zoiks> i guess its just a give it a go and see situation
[04:47] <usser> Zoiks: i have 1.4 which works pretty well
[04:47] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: i gave XP 512, even 712, and it was bad for me, his mileage will vary of course, but it was bad enough i just decided to start dual booting again
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> IndyGunFreak: whats your processor?
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> here on a Turion X2 it was close to equal
[04:48] <Zoiks> usser: so things have really come along since edgy in the way of amd64 support?
[04:48] <IndyGunFreak> 2.4ghz AMD, 1gig of ram, 512mb Video card
[04:48] <hydrogen> I gave xp in virtualbox a gig of memory
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> hmmm
[04:48] <hydrogen> and it tends to work
[04:48] <hydrogen> but its greedy like that
[04:48] <hydrogen> :/
[04:48] <IndyGunFreak> hydrogen: well, i considered that, but i was pretty disappointed with it, and finally said screw it, and reinstalled Windows to a 15-20gig partition
[04:49] <erichj> is crossfire support coming to linux now that amd is open sourcing everything?
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> erichj: not sure.
[04:49] <Zoiks> oh heres a question: if I am running a softraid in ubuntu, and then run a vm of windows
[04:49] <Zoiks> will windows show the raid?
[04:49] <IndyGunFreak> i did run a few Linux OS's in VM though, and all but mandriva seemed to run fine... MintLinux, PcLinuxOS, OpenSuse, and Slack
[04:49] <hydrogen> IndyGunFreak: because most of what I need windows for is playing online streams//viewing websites that only work in internet explorer, I never want to reboot just to do it
[04:50] <IndyGunFreak> hydrogen: yeah, i can understand that./
[04:50] <mikubuntu> anyone yet have a fix for tis double screen, two cursors, all messed up rendering problem ???
[04:50] <erichj> Zoiks, that is hit or miss. like in vmware i dont have network access but in vbox i do
[04:50] <IndyGunFreak> double screen?... are you running dual monitors?
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: does ie4linux work?
[04:50] <usser> Zoiks: yea pretty much, i mean i still have to run 32bit flash via nspluginwrapper and 32bit google earth, but theres a great tool for getting missing 32bit dependency libs getlibs
[04:50] <hydrogen> nosrednaekim: no idea :)
[04:51] <usser> Zoiks: which u just point to 32bit executable and it fetches all that is neccessary for it to run
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: I'd try it..
[04:51] <Zoiks> erichj: so there are multiple virtulisation tools i can use?
[04:51] <mikubuntu> IndyGunFreak: no, but my screen is split up something awful... is it possible to place a screenshot in the pastebin to show you?
[04:51] <hydrogen> nosrednaekim: theres still all of the embedded windows media streams
[04:51] <erichj> Zoiks, absolutely
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: ah... true
[04:51] <bazhang> zoiks: you should try virtualbox
[04:52] <Zoiks> usser: might give amd64 a go again in 8.04
[04:52] <Jordan_U> mikubuntu, You could use flickr or imageshack
[04:52] <IndyGunFreak> mikubuntu: i don't think you can pastebi a jpg.. maybe put it on imageshak or photobucket.
[04:52] <usser> Zoiks: )
[04:52] <erichj> Zoiks, vbox is the best choice in my experience. others in here might have a different opinion though
[04:52] <Zoiks> ok, ill give them a go when I get gutsy installed, just on the live cd atm
[04:52] <mikubuntu> hmmmm... let me check out flicker then
[04:53] <Zoiks> the other question was about 1680x1050 res with nvidia card
[04:53] <Zoiks> i couldnt set it when i installed gutsy
[04:53] <Zoiks> have they fixed/are they fixing that?
[04:53] <frostburn> Zoiks, me too
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Zoiks, Did you use restricted manager to install the nvidia drivers?
[04:53] <frostburn> yes
[04:53] <erichj> add it to xorg
[04:53] <Zoiks> yeah i did
[04:53] <Zoiks> tried that too erichj
[04:53] <frostburn> i did add it, but most users wont know what to do
[04:54] <erichj> hmmm
[04:54] <frostburn> Zoiks, remove the virtual desktop line
[04:54] <Zoiks> just did not like it at all
[04:54] <Jordan_U> Zoiks, And you tried System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics?
[04:54] <Zoiks> yes Jordan_U
[04:54] <Zoiks> ok... im just formatting drives now because I bought 2x500gb drives
[04:54] <Zoiks> so when I install gutsy again ill give it another go
[04:55] <erichj> just remember, this is a beta. final will be a bit more polished
[04:55] <Zoiks> how much harder is it to install ubuntu via the alternate cd?
[04:55] <Zoiks> erichj: yeah i know :)
[04:55] <erichj> so expect issues and don't let them deter you
[04:56] <Jordan_U> Zoiks, Not much harder, just uglier :)
[04:56] <erichj> i've never had the need for the alt cd install so i wouldn't know
[04:56] <Zoiks> ok, I just need it to get this softraid going
[04:56] <erichj> probably like installing redhat back in the day
[04:56] <m1ke> Does anyone know how to set up xbox 360 controller in gutsy?
[04:56] <frostburn> Zoiks, out of curiosity, why use a softraid?
[04:57] <erichj> holy crap! the sd card reader on my laptop works on gutsy.
[04:57] <erichj> talk about making my day
[04:58] <usser> erichj: ))
[04:58] <usser> overall gutsy is a big step forward
[04:58] <usser> imho
[04:58] <erichj> i have to agree there
[04:59] <bazhang> gutsy recognizes all the buttons on my laptop. incredible.
[04:59] <erichj> my crappy built in webcam works now as well. been waiting since dapper for that
[04:59] <Zoiks> frostburn: because fakeraid support in linux is next to nil and i dont have the money to afford a proper raid card
[05:00] <frostburn> Zoiks, but i mean with 2 hard drives you wont get parity, and you wont get any speed increase
[05:01] <erichj> Zoiks, http://freecycle.org i get so much free hardware from the list for my area it's not even funny. you should look into it. you never know what you might be able to find
[05:01] <jmg_> you get a mirror
[05:01] <frostburn> erichj, oooooh....
[05:01] <macogw> my school says my linux lappy was compromised and is on a botnet and i therefore cannot have internets
[05:01] <extra> anyone else thing gaim/pidgin sucks?
[05:02] <macogw> on windows, yes
[05:02] <macogw> it cant do google talk (always has errors when trying to connect)
[05:02] <frostburn> extra, did you install the extra plugins?
[05:02] <bazhang> macogw: surely they jest
[05:02] <frostburn> macogw, what errors, it's worked flawlessly since day1
[05:02] <extra> I press the up arrow and it doesn't show line history!
[05:02] <frostburn> oh for irc it sucks
[05:02] <extra> frostburn: nah, good?
[05:03] <frostburn> extra, yeah, and you could always write one if something is missing=] 
[05:03] <frostburn> extra, pidgin-encryption and pidgin-plugin-pack adds a ton of functionality
[05:04] <Zoiks> frostburn: im using it for irc on the live cd :D
[05:04] <macogw> bazhang: they say i'm on a botnet
[05:04] <erichj> extra, like otr messaging
[05:04] <Zoiks> frostburn: if i get raid 1 at least ill have my data a bit more safer until I figure out how to set up a raid5
[05:05] <bazhang> macogw: on Linux? No XP partition?
[05:06] <erichj> i will say the one nice thing about gutsy is the codec installer for movie player
[05:06] <bazhang> and for music, flash/gnash
[05:07] <mikubuntu> IndyGunFreak: i don't see the same defects on the screenshots as i do on the screen ...http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1
[05:07] <erichj> this just might kill the need for newbies to try automatix2
[05:07] <frostburn> erichj, except for dvd playback
[05:07] <macogw> frostburn: windows server error 10600 or something like that
[05:07] <macogw> every windows computer ive tried it on, it does that
[05:07] <macogw> bazhang: i told them its linux.  they asked what version. i said ubuntu development and that its as up to date as can be.  they asked when i updated. i said last night.
[05:08] <macogw> bazhang: bah!!!! xp was never booted on this computer by me (gateway must've at some point before i formatted the drive, i suppose)
[05:08] <erichj> frostburn, true. i did say might.
[05:08] <bazhang> macogw: they must be out of their minds!
[05:10] <macogw> yeah
[05:10] <macogw> one of my friends used to work for them
[05:10] <usser> what i really would like to get is a pegasos2 with amiga/morphOS
[05:10] <macogw> he says i mustve managed to set of the IDS
[05:10] <bazhang> unreal.
[05:11] <databuddy> tournament.
[05:11] <extra> erichj: I never understood otr messaging
[05:11] <databuddy> extra its not about actually being off the record
[05:11] <databuddy> it encrypts what you type in and push enter to
[05:11] <databuddy> then it sends to someone
[05:11] <erichj> extra, it's called plausible deniablity
[05:11] <databuddy> but you have to exchange keys and confirm them
[05:12] <extra> how can you plausably deny it?
[05:12] <frostburn> otr?
[05:12] <riotkittie> ls
[05:12] <riotkittie> oops
[05:12] <databuddy> i wouldnt say otr builds plausible denyability
[05:12] <databuddy> just a layer of making it harder to mitm
[05:13] <extra> I heard otr was about plausible deniability elsewhere.
[05:13] <extra> like, you can claim it didn't come from you, somehow
[05:14] <extra> hence "off the record"
[05:14] <frostburn> check out the pidgin encryption, it sounds almost the same thing
[05:14] <erichj> otr prevents forging of messages
[05:14] <frostburn> except it's client-client
[05:14] <frostburn> so does this, as long as you dont accept other keys
[05:15] <erichj> otr keys expire, so accepting won't compromise previous message sessions
[05:15] <extra> erichj: so you make new keys for each message? or each session?
[05:16] <frostburn> erichj, oo there's an otr plugin for pidgin
[05:16] <erichj> per message
[05:17] <erichj> this is what i was looking for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
[05:17] <erichj> yeah, i'm right it's per message
[05:18] <extra> hmm. I can see how Bob can't read the message, but everyone still sees the message came from Alice to Bob to Charlie, so I don't see where the plausible denial comes from...
[05:18] <extra> link
[05:21] <extra> ok, so charlie knows it's alice, but alice can always lie and say that charlie is making it up
[05:23] <extra> which is even more the case if one could anonymously drop an otr message at someones front door and run away.  Only charlie could open the package, but after that, anyone can forge alice's message.. or something
[05:25] <erichj> well it could be forged assuming it's using alices key though
[05:26] <extra> FTA: "and after a conversation is complete, anyone is able to forge a message to appear to have come from one of the participants in the conversation,"
[05:26] <extra> I think they mean message, but maybe not
[05:27] <erichj> no they are talking about logs at that point
[05:28] <erichj> otr is encrypted and only displayed in plain text during the session. i think clients even prevent you from exporting otr messages. though i am not sure
[05:29] <extra> right.. it's an after-the-fact plausible deniability kind of thing
[05:30] <erichj> yeah, there is no denying something if the person is watching it in real time. but this prevents a record of the conversation. making it nearly impossible to prove that it took place
[05:31] <erichj> no evidence no crime
[05:33] <extra> well, they mean it in the same sense that one can plausibly deny that we actually had this conversation... with a gpg encrypted conversation, each of our messages would be publicly signed by ourselves, and there's no denying it, where-as with OTR, you have the deniability of this conversation, with the benefit of one-time authentication
[05:34] <extra> er, one-time encryption, to keep the servers out of the convo
[05:36] <extra> anyway, why won't gutsy let me use my intel 965 graphics chip?
[05:37] <Jordan_U> extra, In what way will it not let you use it?
[05:38] <macogw> extra: 3D was disabled in them because um...something about AIGLX, Xv, incompatibility between those 2 and the driver....so no Compiz-Fusion
[05:39] <macogw> you should have just fine 2D though
[05:39] <extra> Jordan_U: well, after I upgraded, gutsy reverted to vesa.. now, when I go into graphics applet, I try to set the driver to i810, click test, screen flickers, green lines show up on the top of the screen, then it flickers back, then the applet's driver change is gone and it's back to vesa.
[05:39] <macogw> extra: that card cant use i810 anyway
[05:39] <databuddy> extra gma x3100 ?
[05:40] <extra> macogw: compiz is disabled, but I should still be able to use the driver right? for 3d games
[05:40] <macogw> it's supposed to use xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:40] <macogw> no
[05:40] <databuddy> extra i have intel driver working great
[05:40] <macogw> 3D is disabled completely
[05:40] <Jordan_U> extra, Try the "intel" driver
[05:40] <extra> Which intel? I have the 965.. dell 1420n
[05:40] <Jordan_U> extra, That is the name of the driver
[05:41] <macogw> there's a driver that's called intel
[05:41] <Jordan_U> "intel"
[05:41] <macogw> and one called i810
[05:41] <macogw> 810 is only for the old cards
[05:41] <macogw> i965 needs the intel driver
[05:41] <extra> I tried 965 in the graphics applet and got the same thing.. flicker, greep lines at top, flicker back.. back on vesa driver automatically
[05:42] <extra> green
[05:42] <macogw> what is this graphics applet you're talking about?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> extra, Again, please try the driver which is named "intel"
[05:43] <macogw> nevermind found it
[05:43] <Jordan_U> macogw, I think he is referring to System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics
[05:43] <macogw> it's in the control center
[05:43] <macogw> i didnt see that...
[05:43] <macogw> ok im blind
[05:44] <macogw> im gonna try the intel driver too
[05:44] <crweb> could someone please explain to me why default gutsy install generates a new mac address for my network card every reboot?
[05:44] <macogw> 810's being buggy for me on gutsy
[05:44] <crweb> have users just gone so dumb they can't set their own mac address to match the hardware now?
[05:44] <extra> crap.. says I need to restart X to take effect
[05:44] <macogw> of course
[05:44] <macogw> how else would it do that?
[05:44] <macogw> the drivers load when X starts
[05:45] <macogw> brb
[05:45] <extra> crap.. back in a brb... well, there's a test button.. (mines grayed out now)
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm. does the fancy compiz eye candy work with twinview?
[05:47] <extra> now my resolution is at 640 by 480
[05:47] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, I don't think so, last I tried ( albeit a long time ago ) you can't have twinview and DRI
[05:48] <Jordan_U> extra, Can you change it with System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics ?
[05:48] <extra> yea, kinda
[05:49] <extra> ok, lets try this
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Jordan_U,  i had some other issues with twinview when i messed with it last week.. I also noticed that no eyecandy issue. :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Your logic makes sence however.
[05:49] <macogw> ok then
[05:49] <jmg_> unlike your english
[05:49] <Dr_willis> my other issues were twinview putting GDM on the wrong monitor. heh.
[05:50] <macogw> i dont see any change really
[05:50] <macogw> 3D seems a bit snappier
[05:50] <macogw> but my dimming is still busted with this driver
[05:50] <extra> hi
[05:51] <extra> who was helping me?
[05:51] <macogw> i was...kinda
[05:51] <macogw> you take quite a while to restart X
[05:51] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, I don't know why you can't use DRI with twinview though ( if indeed you can't ), I see no reason why multiple screens and DRI would be mutually exclusive
[05:51] <macogw> ive already restarted X, adjusted resolution, and restarted X again
[05:52] <macogw> im gonna go see if my bug was reported yet
[05:52] <macogw> anyone here have i945?
[05:53] <extra> (from macogw)
[05:53] <macogw> hehe
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Hmm   System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics    dosent even show the 2nd monitor.
[05:55] <Dr_willis>  nvidia-settings shows it.
[05:55] <Lynoure> Does anyone have bug #134476 without using fglrx, except me?
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134476 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Tribe 5: suspend hangs laptop" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134476
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, Which configured the xorg.conf initially?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> the xorg.conf i have. is the default + what changes restricted-manager did (just changed driver to nvidia)
[05:57] <MrDigital1> Evening everybody.  I'm just gonna throw this out there and I'll admit I haven't searched forums yet... I have a Dell Precision 470 with the integrated Intel 1GB adapter and since doing a clean install of gutsy beta I get long delays quite often when I try to browse internet, or even connecting with Pidgin.  I had no such problems with Feisty and was wondering before I started hunting if somebody here already has seen this or
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Woa.. enavbled twinview. and dident have to restart the X server.. how they do that!
[05:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:57] <NeoThermic> Is there going to be a major set of changes between now and the 15th? :)
[05:57] <h1st0> not really
[05:58] <h1st0> Its feature freaze so you aren't going to see package versions change other than security and bug fixes.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Jordan_U,  well twinview I thinkis workign with the compiz stuff.. however right now if i maxize a window - it fills both monitors.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Thats not now it used to work for me.
[05:59] <NeoThermic> h1st0: I'm just pondering if I should nab the ISO now or in 15 days time
[05:59] <h1st0> NeoThermic: either way it doesn't matter if you nab the iso now and update it will be the same thing.
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, So Compiz does work with twinview ? ( if not entirely properly :)
[05:59] <NeoThermic> h1st0: sounds like a plan
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Jordan_U,  I think its working. :)
[05:59] <NeoThermic> lets fire up wget while I'm in windows :)
[06:00] <Dr_willis> let me restart the X server just to be sure its not some goofup from changing stuff on the fly
[06:00] <Dr_willis> brb.,
[06:00] <joules> so i am relatively pleased with the latest gutsy release but compiz is a little messed up.. and i really dont know which manager to use anyone has a default that has most of everything
[06:01] <jscinoz> What is the max safe temperature for a laptop nvidia GPU
[06:01] <h1st0> NeoThermic: I'm dl'ng now to install to a virtualbox
[06:01] <RAOF> jscinoz: 120 C
[06:01] <NeoThermic> 1.6MB/s. Slow :P
[06:01] <jscinoz> RAOF, so 70C idle is fine?
[06:01] <RAOF> This is a number I've picked out at random :)
[06:01] <frostburn> idle should be 35-45
[06:01] <NeoThermic> it'll take 7 mins at that speed! I want it NOW! </tantrum>
[06:01] <usser> joules: what do u mean like a compiz setup utility?
[06:01] <jscinoz> RAOF, i get 70C idle, and 85-100C load
[06:02] <jscinoz> frostburn, in a laptop though?
[06:02] <frostburn> jscinoz, yes
[06:02] <jscinoz> well shit...
[06:02] <RAOF> jscinoz: If you're concerned, see you laptop manufacturer.
[06:02] <macogw> my bug: bug #148389
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148389 in ubuntu "Intel graphics turn black (kind of) (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148389
[06:02] <jscinoz> i will
[06:02] <jscinoz> who has dells number :P
[06:02] <NeoThermic> 1-800-DELL?
[06:02] <RAOF> jscinoz: Unless you've done anything crazy like overclock it, it's *entirely* their problem.
[06:02] <usser> hehe
[06:02] <joules> usser: well if you go to synaptic there are tons of packages for compiz.. and add ons and all that .. im trying to find a right fitting one cause most of them have something but not everything
[06:02] <jscinoz> its not overclocked
[06:03] <jscinoz> RAOF, but i know that some other distros have problems with ACPI on certain laptops, and dont run the GPU fan
[06:03] <joules> plus as of now i am supposed to have 4 compiz workspaces and only have 1 even tho compiz says 4
[06:03] <RAOF> jscinoz: Also, 70C on idle shouldn't hurt it.  nvidia-settings default "warn me" level is... 130C, I think.
[06:03] <gunny> joules: compiz config settings - advanced desktop effect settings
[06:03] <jscinoz> RAOF, also sensors-applet reports my fans running at 20k+ RPM >_<
[06:03] <RAOF> jscinoz: :)
[06:03] <riotkittie> uhm. stupid question time. <semi-hides>
[06:03] <jscinoz> fans at 20k+ shouldnt be happening, i think it would have spun itself a hole out of my laptop at that speed >_<
[06:03] <jscinoz> therfore, the i8k module lies
[06:04] <NeoThermic> macogw: I might be able to replicate that bug later on today
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Well... it dose seem that compiz does work with twinview.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> of course for some reason now. gnome is putting the panels on the wrong monitor by default.. and new windows appear on the wrong monitor by default also.
[06:04] <NeoThermic> my laptop has an I965 chipset
[06:04] <jscinoz> Compiz works awesomely with 100.14.19 driver
[06:04] <jmg_> Dr_willis: it will work with twinview but not xinerama
[06:04] <jscinoz> i now run compiz all the time
[06:04] <usser> joules: well i have compiz-fusion-plugins extra, main, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome, compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:04] <Dr_willis> jmg_,  ahh. Ok.
[06:05] <usser> joules: thats pretty much basic setup well + all the needed dep libs
[06:05] <jscinoz> RAOF, the graphics on my screen getting scrambled and my laptop hanging... is that a symptom of overheating?
[06:05] <usser> joules: ccsm brings up the setup utility
[06:05] <joules> usser: yeah ive been toying around with them but.. eh let me give that combination of things a try
[06:06] <jscinoz> i wish i could have firefox + thunderbird + sunbird+ kompozer in one app, 2007 mozilla suite :P
[06:07] <usser> jscinoz: i hate bloats
[06:07] <RAOF> jscinoz: Could be.
[06:07] <usser> jscinoz: what is the point of this
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> jscinoz: some changes in the way the code works may make that sort of thing possible again easily
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> I think
[06:07] <jscinoz> RAOF, i'll ring dell then and yell at em :P
[06:07] <jscinoz> usser, not sure really :P still would be awesome
[06:08] <jscinoz> also guys
[06:08] <usser> jscinoz: u have nice 4 apps which u launch as needed and suite bleh 200megs bloatware that idles most of the time
[06:08] <jscinoz> firefox takes 800MB ram :P
[06:08] <jscinoz> 300 tabs ftw
[06:08] <jscinoz> 4gb ram = even better
[06:08] <usser> jscinoz: jesus
[06:08] <CountX> OMG
[06:08] <jmg_> jscinoz: masochist!
[06:08] <jscinoz> :P
[06:08] <hydrogen> opera is much better with huge amounts of tabs
[06:08] <hydrogen> I have to say
[06:08] <NeoThermic> 4GB RAM is wasted if you're using a 32bit OS
[06:08] <jscinoz> Is there any way to get a 32bit ubuntu to recognise more than 3.5GB of ram
[06:08] <jscinoz> i know
[06:08] <usser> jscinoz: 300 tabs is there actually a space for dispaying web pages?
[06:08] <jscinoz> but 4gb is the default option on this laptop :P
[06:08] <NeoThermic> no, it's due to the memory mapping
[06:09] <NeoThermic> so you wont' see more than about 3.5GB
[06:09] <jscinoz> yes, i have 2+gb left
[06:09] <jscinoz> aww darn
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> NeoThermic: doesn't have to be - there are ways around it.  planet.ubuntu.com just had an entry about that.
[06:09] <NeoThermic> tonyyarusso: really? I'm surprised. I expected the only way around it to be use a freaking 64bit build like you should ;)
[06:09] <jscinoz> firefox + songbird + thunderbird + eclipse + azureus + kompozer + xchat + pidgin + compiz-fusion = 963MB of ram, still 2+gb left
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> NeoThermic: I don't recall how they did it, but I think it was just a BIOS setting of some sort.
[06:10] <jmg_> songbird?
[06:10] <jscinoz> Tonyyarusso, would you have a link to that articl
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> jscinoz: a sec
[06:10] <jscinoz> jmg_, songbird is a media player based on the mozilla framework
[06:10] <jmg_> ok
[06:10] <jscinoz> theres a deb at www.getdeb.net if you want it
[06:10] <CountX> jscinoz: Zbrush3 50mill poly organic mesh, 4gb ram
[06:10] <NeoThermic> tonyyarusso: ahh, well, if you did a static mapping of hardware IRQs then you might be able to mitigate it away from the RAM, but that'd be hellishly unstable if you did it wrong.
[06:11] <MrDigital1> I'm not sure what's wrong with my PC at work.  I only get 3.2GB and I'm running 64bit.  I'm thinking it's my Mobo though and not my OS... no bios updates address that either. :/
[06:11] <jscinoz> saywhat, countx?
[06:11] <puma> how to play p2p net TV?
[06:11] <CountX> jscinoz: im toping your ram consumption
[06:11] <jscinoz> :P
[06:11] <jscinoz> never used Zbrush
[06:11] <NeoThermic> CountX: I read that as "I'm in your ramz toping them"
[06:11] <jscinoz> lawl
[06:11] <hydrogen> songbird is a horrible concept
[06:11] <CountX> jscinoz: 50 million polygon mesh=4gb full
[06:11] <hydrogen> I have to say
[06:11] <NeoThermic> and imagined a cat sitting on some sticks of RAM. Dam you internet!
[06:11] <jscinoz> I love songbird
[06:12] <usser> MrDigital1: are u sure its 64 bit do uname -m
[06:12] <hydrogen> "lets take a huge bloated unoptimized web framework and build a huge bloated unoptimized music player on top of it"
[06:12] <jscinoz> Hydrogen, songbird's only using 30mb of ram for me
[06:12] <NeoThermic> CountX: also, 50m? what on earth are you doing chucking that about? :P
[06:12] <MrDigital1> usser: I'm 100% sure, but I'm at home not at work.
[06:12] <usser> hydrogen: thats mozilla's motto
[06:12] <CountX> NeoThermic: work
[06:12] <NeoThermic> yes, but 50m? ever heard of reduction? :)
[06:13] <jscinoz> what is zbrush?
[06:13] <CountX> NeoThermic: well yeah but how are you supposed to make a normal map with a low poly model?
[06:13] <NeoThermic> even my most detailed stuff tops out at about 119k
[06:13] <erichj> sunbird sucks too
[06:13] <CountX> NeoThermic: characters?
[06:13] <jscinoz> I found that lightning extension for thunderbird is nice, integrates sunbird in thunderbird
[06:13] <NeoThermic> CountX: the shuttle launch facility
[06:13] <CountX> ive done 1m+ weps
[06:13] <jmg_> NeoThermic: oh hai, i upgraded your ram
[06:13] <jscinoz> pity Lighting caused thunderbird to segfault on startup >_<
[06:14] <NeoThermic> jmg_: ZOMG! :)
[06:14] <CountX> NeoThermic: why would you do that in ZB?
[06:14] <NeoThermic> CountX: lightwave. :)
[06:14] <jscinoz> man i really need to nuke my vista partition, wasting 60gb
[06:14] <NeoThermic> http://www.neothermic.com/testing/NightSetup.png / http://www.neothermic.com/testing/shuttleabove.jpg
[06:14] <CountX> NeoThermic: eww
[06:14] <NeoThermic> I did that when I was bored. :P
[06:15] <CountX> jscinoz: you have vista?
[06:15] <puma> who knows to play p2p net TV?
[06:15] <jscinoz> Countx, acme with the laptop >_<
[06:15] <CountX> jscinoz: you bought it????, isnt it like 300$??
[06:15] <jscinoz> nah came with it
[06:15] <CountX> oh...
[06:15] <NeoThermic> jscinoz: From orbit. It's the only way to be sure!
[06:15] <jscinoz> havn't gotten around to nuking it yet
[06:15] <CountX> my computer came with 3ds max 9 64bit
[06:15] <jscinoz> What is this Zbrush program you're talking about?
[06:15] <CountX> !zbrush
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zbrush - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <jscinoz> 3d rendering thing?
[06:15] <CountX> poo
[06:16] <NeoThermic> CountX: Nice. I'm using Lightwave 7.5 because I'm a poor student and the uni won't give me a licence for it :P
[06:16] <macogw> ah joules is gone
[06:16] <NeoThermic> (it being the latest 9.5 build)
[06:16] <macogw> i had an answer for him
[06:16] <jscinoz> NeoThermic, get the bittorrent edition :P
[06:16] <CountX> NeoThermic: work pays for everything
[06:16] <macogw> my interwebs were lost
[06:16] <NeoThermic> jscinoz: I'm too honest. Hell, I've had legit versions of photoshop since 7. :P
[06:16] <jscinoz> Adobe CS3 Master Suite - BitTorrent Edition!
[06:16] <CountX> dont uni's cap bittorrent, or ratehr , try to cap bt?
[06:17] <jscinoz> SSH ftw :P
[06:17] <NeoThermic> I'm not on my uni network :D
[06:17] <CountX> ah
[06:17] <jscinoz> use it to get around proxy at school
[06:17] <hydrogen> student editions++
[06:17] <erichj> i heard microsoft is so desperate to get people to use vista that they signed a deal with general mills to include an oem cd in every box of trix
[06:17] <jscinoz> SSH tunnel = bittorrent ftw
[06:17] <NeoThermic> I'm at my flat, where my internet is 24Mb :D
[06:17] <CountX> 3ds max 9 is 3000$
[06:17] <jscinoz> rofl erichj
[06:17] <hydrogen> 2100 less for the student edition of vectorworks than the full edition
[06:17] <hydrogen> better believe i'm a student!
[06:17] <mikubuntu> http://flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1 please see 'image 116' to see the problem i'm having with double panels and cursors showing on my screen... i had to take a pic with my phone to illustrate, because when i take a screenshot on the computer, it looks normal, but note the problem now in this image.  anyone else having this problem???
[06:17] <jscinoz> IMO any company that charges 1000+ for software deserves to have it stolen
[06:17] <hydrogen> jscinoz: I disagree
[06:17] <jscinoz> apparently you can get MS office ultimate for $70 if you are a student
[06:18] <jscinoz> but OOO > MS office anyday
[06:18] <jscinoz> brb phone ringing
[06:18] <CountX> well when people pay for your software, i dont give a flying F@!#
[06:18] <CountX> jscinoz: agreed
[06:18] <erichj> i still prefer ms office over oo.org
[06:18] <hydrogen> jscinoz: if you are using this software professionally.. and making a profit off of it, a thousand dollars isn't that much for something that will give you a lot of aid
[06:18] <CountX> erichj: somehting is wrong with you
[06:19] <hydrogen> OOo still has a good ways to go
[06:19] <hydrogen> before it can replace MSOffice everywhere
[06:19] <CountX> i like it
[06:19] <macogw> erichj: it doesnt handle layout too great....the frames thing on OOo is definitely better
[06:19] <CountX> i dont work in an office or anything so it suits me
[06:19] <hydrogen> I've never had luck with oospread
[06:19] <CountX> i dont have to give presentations and shit like that
[06:19] <macogw> OOo needs to allow finer-tuning of placement though...not sure how MS Office does on that anyway though
[06:19] <hydrogen> it tends to do all sorts of things unpredictably
[06:19] <MrDigital1> mikubuntu: that's messed up.  Have you tried turning off desktop effects?
[06:19] <erichj> CountX, i paid like $300 a few years ago because i needed it for work. after paying that much i am not ready to abandon it while it is still useful
[06:19] <macogw> hydrogen: maybe because you're using the wrong command?  it's oocalc
[06:19] <hydrogen> macogw: I havn't used it in a while
[06:20] <hydrogen> macogw: you knew what I emant
[06:20] <jscinoz> We need FOSS to take over all software
[06:20] <hydrogen> macogw: so semantics are pretty useless
[06:20] <hydrogen> I was thinking of kspread
[06:20] <CountX> free open source software?
[06:20] <hydrogen> jscinoz: theres a lot to happen before that does
[06:20] <mikubuntu> MrDigital1: desktop effects NOT ON .. :(
[06:20] <hydrogen> There is still no open source CAD program worth looking at
[06:20] <CountX> hey hey, guess what y'all
[06:20] <NeoThermic> as a student, Lightwave 9.3 is 129
[06:21] <MrDigital1> mikubuntu: sorry, that's really strange.  Hopefully somebody more knowledgeable can help.
[06:21] <CountX> i finished halo last night
[06:21] <MrDigital1> I see I'm immortalized in your screenshot though :P
[06:21] <jscinoz> apparently compiz 0.60 is out...
[06:21] <erichj> i believe i read a quote once from adobe's president saying something to the effect that they keep raising their prices because their customers will pay whatever they ask.
[06:22] <usser> jscinoz: today
[06:22] <hydrogen> mostly because theres no competition
[06:22] <mikubuntu> MrDigital1: well, 'immortalized' is prolly an exaggeration, but yes, there you b...
[06:22] <jscinoz> erichj, thats why adobe fails
[06:22] <erichj> which i understand. when your only real alternative is the gimp i see why people pay for photoshop
[06:22] <hydrogen> krita 2.0 is going to be really nice
[06:23] <NeoThermic> woo
[06:23] <macogw> erichj: that's not the only real alternative.  paint shop pro is fantastic
[06:23] <NeoThermic> I just found a blank CD
[06:23] <jmg_> theres not much wrong with gimp
[06:23] <erichj> my company paid for ps cs2 for me. i got off lucky there
[06:23] <macogw> it has a much easier to use UI than either the gimp or photoshop and ive yet to find something it cant do
[06:23] <hydrogen> jmg_: except for the vomit spewed across the screen that is known as the UI
[06:23] <jscinoz> i can has CS2 bittorrent?
[06:23] <frijolie> hey all, i'm trying to get help here..I'm running Gutsy and every time it loads to the desktop my "kicker" is autohiding
[06:23] <jmg_> hydrogen: the ui is fine
[06:23] <frijolie> if i click on the area where it's supposed to be then it will magically appear
[06:23] <mikubuntu> help! please look at 'i imagage 116' and tell me what's wrong with ubuntu ... http://flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1
[06:23] <macogw> note htat the last time i used it was psp8 and they're on 11, so i'm sure it's improved to "i'd never use that, but maybe someone would" levels
[06:24] <hydrogen> jmg_: even the gimp developers don't think that!
[06:24] <h1st0> frijolie: right click and go to properties and turn autohide off
[06:24] <jmg_> hydrogen: i find it quite usable
[06:24] <erichj> frijolie, the fix for that is to click on the desktop and it appears
[06:24] <frijolie> but I have to do this each and every time
[06:24] <erichj> mine does that too
[06:24] <hydrogen> jmg_: they are undergoing usability studies to redesign it currently
[06:24] <macogw> jmg_: so do i
[06:24] <jmg_> on both nix and win32
[06:24] <frijolie> h1st0: thanks already checked that one
[06:24] <macogw> it's least usable on a mac
[06:24] <frijolie> erichj: thanks didn't think of that myself
[06:24] <macogw> that's apple's implementation of X11's fault
[06:24] <jmg_> hydrogen: cool
[06:24] <Creationist> Can someone please tell me how to customize additional panels?  Seems there's no way to adjust the size and add certain applets to anything but the Main Panel...
[06:25] <mikubuntu> this happened upon my upgrading to gutsy about three days ago... been here every day looking for help ... arrrrggggghhhhh
[06:25] <jscinoz> isnt apple's X11 like 4versions behind
[06:25] <NeoThermic> bah, wasn't blank
[06:25] <macogw> jscinoz: no idea.  i just know that if you hide the gimp, you really hide X, so then your Inkscape hides too
[06:25] <macogw> jscinoz: and you have to click on the window, then click the tool, then click the other window, then use the tool
[06:25] <macogw> jscinoz: you should just click the tool then use the tool, but instead X11-on-Mac makes you click first
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> jscinoz: I can't seem to find it now.
[06:26] <erichj> the only thing i have ever been willing to pirate was tv shows. direct tv wants $300 to replace my dvr so i download the shows when i miss them
[06:26] <jscinoz> macogw, wow that fails
[06:26] <macogw> erichj: why no mythtv?
[06:26] <jmg_> pff
[06:27] <Laser87> Hi everybody
[06:27] <jmg_> id pirate a ferrari if i could
[06:27] <macogw> jmg_: oh like you have the tools to make one if you got the source code for one
[06:27] <jscinoz> tonyyarusso, dont worry, thanks anyways
[06:27] <jmg_> macogw: thats hardly relevant
[06:27] <hydrogen> i'd pirate your mom!
[06:27] <hydrogen> hah
[06:27] <erichj> macogw, mainly because i don't have the time to setup a box for it. once there are drivers for my x-fi card that work under linux i will find the time
[06:27] <hydrogen> and with that witty retort
[06:27] <hydrogen> i'll idle again
[06:28] <jmg_> hydrogen: thanks
[06:28] <jscinoz> Gotta love the ubuntu community
[06:28] <Zoiks> mikubuntu: that looks like a display issue
[06:28] <Zoiks> whats your graphics card?
[06:28] <Laser87> I'm using Firefox 3 Gran Paradiso and have a problem with the tabs
[06:28] <jscinoz> http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
[06:28] <frijolie> any ideas on how to fix a taskbar that autohides?
[06:28] <Zoiks> have you installed the proprietary drivers?
[06:28] <frijolie> when autohide has been unchecked?
[06:28] <Zoiks> have you posted ont he forums
[06:29] <Laser87> when I open a new tab with right click and then close it again the last tab won't come but the tab left of the closed
[06:29] <jmg_> yarr
[06:30] <Laser87> reproducable?
[06:30] <macogw> Laser87: wait what?
[06:30] <mikubuntu> Zoiks: ummm, rage mobility
[06:30] <jmg_> macogw: i only say it because we have these stupid unskippable anti piracy ads on our dvds that say "You wouldnt steal a purse, you wouldnt steal a car, you wouldnt steal a movie, DOWNLOADING MOVIES IS A CRIME"
[06:30] <macogw> Laser87: i havent noticed a problem, but can you repeat those steps to reproduce because i didnt understand them
[06:30] <jmg_> so I want a tshirt that says
[06:30] <erichj> so after spending 4 days exploring Gutsy the only real problem i have is when i reboot. when GDM loads the icons are not where i left them.
[06:30] <jmg_> "you wouldnt steal a car.. but youd download one"
[06:30] <macogw> jmg_: nice
[06:31] <macogw> Laser87: what do you mean "the last tab won't come"?
[06:31] <musikgoat> anyone here use tilda?
[06:31] <Laser87> macogw: I have a tab open, then open another tab, this one appears on the far right
[06:31] <macogw> Laser87: is this right-click->open in new tab or is this right click on a tab and hit "new tab"?
[06:31] <Laser87> and when I close this tab again, the tab left of it appears
[06:31] <erichj> musikgoat, i used to until i starting longing for a better terminal
[06:31] <Laser87> sry - middle click
[06:32] <hydrogen> tilda's the "its not quite yakuake" program?
[06:32] <erichj> drop down terminal
[06:32] <hydrogen> yea
[06:32] <erichj> ala quake console
[06:32] <hydrogen> "its not quite yakuake"
[06:32] <Laser87> but I want to come back to the tab from which I opened the new one
[06:32] <musikgoat> i didn't care for yakuake cause of the crappy gnome functionality
[06:32] <macogw> Laser87: so close the last tab or the one from which you opened the new one?
[06:32] <musikgoat> tilda turned out to be better imo
[06:32] <hydrogen> I don't care for gnome users so I guess we're even :)
[06:32] <musikgoat> :-)
[06:32] <Laser87> hte last tab
[06:32] <Lynoure> Does Ubuntu (gnome) also have the problem of strigidaemon consuming massive amounts of CPU, or is that a kubuntu-only bug?
[06:33] <macogw> Laser87: ok so why do you consider it a bug for focus to move to the tab that is to the left of the one you close?
[06:33] <riotkittie> tilda <3
[06:33] <erichj> where would i set zsh as my default shell instead of bash?
[06:33] <macogw> erichj: /etc/passwd
[06:34] <Laser87> macogw: Cos I want to get back to the tab from which I opened the new one - like in Firefox 2
[06:34] <hydrogen> even easier
[06:34] <hydrogen> chsh /usr/bin/zsh
[06:34] <hydrogen> err
[06:34] <macogw> Laser87: i kinda doubt itll be considered a bug, more like just a change in functionality.  at most, a misfeature
[06:34] <musikgoat> question.  after I boot (i have tilda in session startup) when I drop down the section (usually transparent dark, with green text) is solid grey.   the terminal works... i can type exit and kill tilda.   restarting it from alt+f2 works fine.
[06:34] <hydrogen> chsh -s zsh USER
[06:35] <erichj> thanks hydrogen and macogw
[06:35] <Laser87> macogw: u see, just openeing a linked picture in a new tab, looking at it, closing and go on
[06:35] <macogw> Laser87: for example, if you open 5 tabs off of one (like if you're going through a list of links) and you close one of them, you'd want to read the next tab you opened, not go back to the listing of them...you were in the middle of reading branches, afterall
[06:35] <hydrogen> chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh $(whoami)
[06:35] <Laser87> I think, that's important when u have a slow inet-connection
[06:36] <erichj> recently discovered zsh, so useful
[06:37] <macogw> Laser87: how so? whats your connection's speed have to do with your tabs?
[06:37] <macogw> Lynoure: is it called strigidaemon in top or just strigid?
[06:37] <riotkittie> i wish rt2500usb would not be so cruel to me and my need for an internet connection *weep*
[06:37] <Laser87> macogw: that's ok, but I often have a lot of tabs open. When I then read on the far left tab, open a new tab, closing this new tab, I want to get back from where I started
[06:38] <macogw> Laser87: i actually would really like that thing ie7 does where the tabs are sort of a tree...what you open from one tab opens next to its parent so that you can sort of group tabs
[06:38] <Laser87> macogw:  I can read the text of a tab, while waiting to get a picture :-)
[06:38] <erichj> do i need to logout/in after changing that?
[06:38] <riotkittie> install the tab mix plus extension for greater control over your tab placement. <shrug>
[06:39] <macogw> Laser87: not everyone likes that....but an option might be nice.  seems theres a few options thatd be nice
[06:39] <macogw> riotkittie: very few extensions work on gran paradiso
[06:39] <puma> SCIM disappear
[06:39] <Laser87> macogw: sry, what is an ie? Something to eat?
[06:39] <macogw> i have no download statusbar or firebug with ff3
[06:39] <macogw> Laser87: microsoft's "web browser" that fails miserably at rendering anything
[06:40] <riotkittie> oh. i was not aware we were talking about gp :P    i only /window'ed to this tab breifly to whine about my wireless :P
[06:40] <mikubuntu> ok, i give up trying to fix this issue .... think i'll just to a reinstall of feisty to get my desktop back... only one problem, i want to email my 'tomboy notes' out of this system, but i CANT
[06:40] <Lynoure> macogw: strigidaemon
[06:40] <puma> SCIM disappear on bar.
[06:40] <macogw> mikubuntu: export html and email that?
[06:40] <mikubuntu> FIND THEM... does anybody know wehre TomBoy Notes are stored?
[06:40] <macogw> mikubuntu: oh... ~/.tomboy
[06:40] <macogw> i assume
[06:40] <Laser87> I guess I have to look for an extension if this ain't a bug, but a feature
[06:40] <riotkittie> lack of extensions is why i always lag on new versions of ff. i feel so naked without them. :|
[06:41] <frostburn> what extensions aren't ported to newer versions?
[06:41] <puma> SCIM disappeared, what happen?
[06:41] <macogw> Lynoure: i dont see that daemon
[06:41] <macogw> frostburn: none of mine
[06:41] <Laser87> macogw: Or I will contact Mozilla
[06:41] <puma> anyone helps
[06:41] <mikubuntu> macogw:  i don't know, i've looked everywhere for any file with 'tomboy' in it and no can find ...
[06:41] <macogw> Laser87: report it on their bugzilla and ask that an option be put in preferences
[06:42] <macogw> mikubuntu: did you look in ~/.tomboy ?
[06:42] <riotkittie> mikubuntu: where are you looking? nautilus?
[06:42] <Laser87> macogw:  thank you, will do that
[06:42] <macogw> ctrl+H on nautilus
[06:42] <riotkittie> or some other gui thingie? if so, its' hidden
[06:42] <macogw> to show hidden files
[06:42] <riotkittie> thingie. i fail at computer literacy. :D
[06:42] <erich_> woo it worked
[06:43] <puma> ???
[06:44] <Lynoure> macogw: hmm, I guess that explains it. Someone was just assuming the same process would be in Ubuntu, too
[06:44] <macogw> i dont know what that process does, but its not showing in my system monitor (i cant figure out how to search in top)
[06:44] <puma> SCIM problem
[06:45] <mikubuntu> riotkittie: i'm looking under desktop, home directory (mikubuntu), documents, music, can't find it anywhwere
[06:45] <riotkittie> mikubuntu: in a GUI file browser? and you've opted to view hidden files?
[06:47] <mikubuntu> riotkittie: i just opened yahoo/compose/attach/browse/ to look thru files to upload out, but can't find any of the tomboy notes
[06:47] <Laser87> mikubuntu: u can serch for it - places, search, advanced options, show hidden
[06:48] <Laser87> mikubuntu: sry - I don't have an English Ubuntu
[06:49] <musikgoat> anyone have this issue?   after I boot (i have tilda in session startup) when I drop down the section (usually transparent dark, with green text) is solid grey.   the terminal works... i can type exit and kill tilda.   restarting it from alt+f2 works fine.
[06:49] <Evanlec> musikgoat, what is the issue? and how did u configure it to start on boot?
[06:50] <Lynoure> macogw: It's part of a desktop search system
[06:50] <musikgoat> Evanlec: created a session startup item for tilda
[06:50] <Evanlec> musikgoat, okay, whats the issue then?
[06:51] <musikgoat> when that starts,  and i drop down tilda,  it is solid grey and i cant see text
[06:52] <musikgoat> i have to exit the app and restart it for it to work correctly
[06:52] <Evanlec> hm
[06:52] <musikgoat> i've deleted the config and recreated it
[06:52] <Evanlec> i just installed tilda
[06:52] <musikgoat> i've uninstalled/reinstalled
[06:52] <Evanlec> it does seem a little screwy
[06:53] <Evanlec> not using my config i just created with tilda -C
[06:53] <Evanlec> maybe i needed root
[06:53] <musikgoat> it only happens after you've customized the settings (like i did),  and reboot
[06:53] <musikgoat> the config should go in ~/.tilda/
[06:54] <musikgoat> config_0 would be the name i believe
[06:54] <Evanlec> after running tilda -C i get (tilda:14465): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
[06:55] <musikgoat> i get that too from the command line
[06:55] <musikgoat> but it starts right
[06:55] <Evanlec> and config_0 and config_1 are completely empty files
[06:56] <musikgoat> hmm, i don't see that
[06:56] <Evanlec> and if i run 'tilda' it opens somehow with the custom settings, but wont go away with
[06:56] <reverseblade> how do I enable compiz ?
[06:56] <Evanlec> pressing the tilda key lo.l
[06:56] <reverseblade> I've just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy and I see no desktop effects
[06:56] <musikgoat> heh, its set for f1 by default
[06:56] <musikgoat> odd :-p
[06:56] <Evanlec> reverseblade, system > preferences > Desktop Effects
[06:57] <reverseblade> Evanlec, there is no such item in preferences
[06:57] <Evanlec> reverseblade, try under administration then
[06:57] <reverseblade> Evanlec, there is no either
[06:57] <macogw> reverseblade: compiz --replace
[06:58] <Evanlec> reverseblade, sorry, it should be under the "appearance" applet
[06:58] <macogw> reverseblade: you should install compizconfig-settings-manager to get all the cool stuff
[06:58] <gunny> reverseblade: System Prefs, Appearance, Visual Effects,
[06:58] <gunny> reverseblade: or install ccsm
[06:58] <reverseblade> title bars are gone
[06:58] <reverseblade> arghh
[06:58] <gunny> reverseblade: need to add window decorator
[06:59] <gunny> gunny: rage quit
[07:00] <gunny> any ideas why the compiz screenshot plugin just creates an empty png file ?
[07:00] <reverseblade> I have compiz-core installed but not compiz
[07:01] <reverseblade> also when I choose desktop effects the title bars are being gone
[07:01] <macogw> reverseblade: you need the window decorator, emerald.  it may be installed and not running.  type "emerald" to make it go
[07:01] <reverseblade> macogw, emerald: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[07:01] <macogw> reverseblade: emerald --replace then
[07:02] <macogw> reverseblade: in here, type "/msg fusiobot icon" and do what he says to get the fusion-icon from git.  itll get you the nice applet like beryl had for configuration
[07:02] <gunny> i didn't think emerald was used any more in gutsy
[07:03] <gunny> its been removed in my upgrade
[07:03] <reverseblade> I 've done emerald --replace enabled visual effects still title bars are gone
[07:03] <gunny> you need to add/enable  the specific window decorator plugin
[07:03] <Zoiks> reverseblade: are you using gutsy?
[07:03] <reverseblade> Zoiks, yes
[07:04] <Zoiks> i had that problem when trying to use fusion on feisty
[07:04] <reverseblade> just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy
[07:04] <Zoiks> its working fine in gutsy though
[07:04] <reverseblade> and I was earlier using beryl successfully
[07:04] <reverseblade> in  fiesty
[07:04] <reverseblade> gunny, how ?
[07:05] <gunny> do you have all the compiz packages installed and the compiz config settings manager installed ?
[07:05] <macogw> emerald is definitely the window decorator for fusion
 I have compiz-core installed but not compiz
[07:05] <gunny> not for me
[07:06] <gunny> reverseblade: install compiz, compiz-gnome, compiz-fusion-plugins and compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:06] <macogw> can someone please play a game of gnome-sudoku and try to use the hint boxes within the boxes (i just realized they have space for 3 rows of text, small one for putting numbers it could be, large for the one you think it is, and another small for possible numbers)
[07:07] <macogw> let me know if sometimes when you go to type in one of the "possible" boxes of notes, when you click on it, a solid white box comes up instead of a text box where you can actually see the data you're enterint
[07:08] <gunny> reverseblade: and compiz-plugins
[07:11] <musikgoat> macogw: I get a keypad to select the possible #
[07:12] <Laser87> macogw: up row - a white field, where you can type text
[07:12] <Laser87> macogw: middle row - big one with keypad to put in the solution
[07:12] <macogw> bottom row, sometimes i get the text field to put text
[07:13] <Laser87> down row - possible numbers, sudoku gives you
[07:13] <macogw> and sometimes i get a plain white box.  i can type and when i click elsewhere the text will show there.
[07:14] <erichj> sounds like notepad to me
[07:14] <macogw> but when i want to change or backspace out that text and all i have is the solid white box, once i read the last character in it, the white box turns into the top part of a window's decorations (like with the shade, minimize, close buttons) and wont go away
[07:16] <gunny> so who's running intel sound ICH6 ALC880 or similiar, laptop in my case..any probs with microphones and alsa?
[07:17] <Laser87> macogw: if I want to change this text, I still can see the original text with orange background...
[07:18] <macogw> its not every time....
[07:19] <macogw> do you ever have where there's a white rectangle and it doesnt have a text box?
[07:19] <macogw> it happens to me a couple times each game
[07:21] <Laser87> Everything ok til now - keep on trying
[07:23] <Creationist> hmm
[07:24] <xubean> Hey experts, i have problem with upgrading to gutsy beta, think anyone can help me?
[07:25] <Laser87> xubean: just ask
[07:25] <xubean> alright... i tried doing the normal upgrade stuff, but i think it stopped somewhere in the middle, now it keeps downloading all these files but doesn't upgrade...
[07:26] <xubean> when i run upgrade manager i get the error - "Can no upgrade A upgrade from 'gutsy' to 'feisty' is not supported with this tool."
[07:26] <xubean> it has to do something with dpkg and tzdata
[07:27] <xubean> I think some files were upgraded to gutsy and some files weren't so..! any ideas?
[07:27] <macogw> xubean: you mean bug #112466 ?
[07:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112466 in update-manager "Prompted to Upgrade from Gutsy to Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112466
[07:27] <xubean> yeah i think so, i searched online and i think that's the bug number i saw, but i'm not sure
[07:28] <macogw> (havent actually read it yet, but when you said gutsy to feisty, i went "i just saw that browsing bugs!")
[07:28] <macogw> click on the link from ubotu
[07:29] <Darkstriker> hi ppl
[07:29] <Darkstriker> how can i setup dual monitor in gusty???
[07:29] <Jordan_U> Anyone know how to get splashy working in Gutsy?
[07:29] <Jordan_U> Darkstriker, System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics
[07:29] <xubean> yeah, that's the bug, has it been fixed yet? (i'm still browsing on the website)
[07:30] <Darkstriker> yeah i figured but i dont have a menu saying screens and graphics
[07:30] <Jordan_U> Darkstriker, Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:30] <Darkstriker> ohhh..
[07:30] <Darkstriker> sry nevermind
[07:31] <xubean> so any help for me? i don't see a solution in the bug report
[07:32] <Darkstriker> k i get the screens and graphic stuffy but it seems to crash the moment i want to add my second monitor because that one isnt corretly recognized...
[07:34] <xubean> anybody? help? please!?
[07:35] <Laser87> xubean: is the system running at the moment?
[07:35] <xubean> yes
[07:36] <Laser87> xubean: bug is reported... you can confirm it - and wait
[07:37] <xubean> oh man!.. thanks though...
[07:37] <macogw> Laser87: thats not what "confirm" means
[07:37] <macogw> Laser87: confirm is confirming that there is enough data for the developer to work with
[07:37] <Laser87> xubean:  I have no idea, I'm luckily running Gutsy Gibbon uptodate
[07:38] <xubean> oh u're lucky...
[07:38] <xubean> i wanted to try it out for my dual screen setup... i guess i'll just have to wait until the actual release on oct 18.. huh?
[07:38] <h1st0> wth I think my virtualbox keeps loking up installing beta
[07:38] <Jordan_U> Darkstriker, Please check if there is a bug report already and if not file one
[07:38] <Laser87> macogw: sry, English is not my native language - I meant he cab tell, that he has the same problem
[07:39] <macogw> Laser87: oh its not a language thing.  it's "the bugsquad gave overly simple names for statuses and everybody misinterprets them, so now nobody knows what a bug's TRUE status is"
[07:40] <Laser87> macogw: right - I just thought, it would be the right word *ashamed*
[07:40] <gunny> guys anyone know why compiz screenshot just creates an empty png file?
[07:40] <xubean> does anybody know about this error then? "E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10"
[07:40] <reverseblade> Hello when I turn on compiz my computer completely locks up within few minutes. but works fine when compiz is turned off. I am using nvidia. Any ideas ?
[07:40] <reverseblade> xubean, it means there is some error in the post installation script of the item you are installing
[07:41] <xubean> so, any way to fix that?
[07:41] <gunny> reverseblade: have you run nvidia-settings and see if that works ok
[07:42] <reverseblade> xubean, depends on the package
[07:42] <xubean> hehe.. alright... thanks guys... i gotta sleep now..
[07:42] <reverseblade> gunny, I opened nvidia-settings what to do now ?
[07:42] <macogw> Laser87: most people do think that. i did that a bunch then some bugsquad people pointed it out
[07:44] <gunny> reverseblade: is there some kind of defaults setting, also in compiz are you running just the simple setup e.g.  System/Prefs/Appearance, Visual Effects none or Normal?
[07:45] <reverseblade> gunny, if I set the visual effects to none then this means disabling compiz right ?
[07:46] <gunny> reverseblade: yep just interested if this stops the crashing...
[07:46] <reverseblade> gunny, <reverseblade> Hello when I turn on compiz my computer completely locks up within few minutes. but works fine when compiz is turned off
[07:46] <Laser87> macogw: What would be right to say: it's the same at me? thx
[07:47] <macogw> Laser87: good question.  i saw someone refer to it as metoo-ing
[07:47] <macogw> since you say "me too"
[07:47] <reverseblade> gunny, so basically freezing only occur when I turn on compiz
[07:47] <Laser87> macogw: great word - I like it :-)
[07:48] <Ahadiel> nn
[07:48] <gunny> have you done a complete system / dist-upgrade and check everything is up to date
[07:48] <erichj> new ubuntu studio theme is slick
[07:48] <erichj> much nicer than the previous
[07:49] <reverseblade> gunny, I have upgraded from fiesty to gutsy
[07:49] <reverseblade> gunny, and everything is up to date , cause I 've upgrded today
[07:52] <jml> hello all.
[07:53] <jml> I'm looking for a work-around for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/144356
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144356 in flashplugin-nonfree "Audio from Flash in Firefox does not go to correct sound device" [Undecided,New] 
[07:54] <gunny> reverseblade: which nvidia card is it?
[07:55] <reverseblade> glx 6800
[07:55] <reverseblade> I think
[07:55] <reverseblade> bo
[07:55] <reverseblade> no
[07:55] <reverseblade> ge force go 7200
[07:59] <wilberfan> I can't seem to get ipv6 disabled...  Tried the standard method...
[07:59] <gunny> reverseblade: laptop ?  you could try reinstalling the nvidia drivers...should be no problem with the card i am using a go 6800
[08:00] <Laser87> is it possible to send a standard-reply automatically when I get an email with a .doc with tb or evolution?
[08:03] <CountX> i dont want to buy vista, or a 260 to play  halo 2, how can i freakin play i other than going to a friends house?
[08:04] <frostburn> CountX, steal?
[08:06] <dfgas> http://burhite.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1626
[08:17] <kanjo_> I would greatly appreciate if someone here can point me to a tutorial or article on how to recompile Gutsy kernel, I tried the way described in KernelCustomBuild WIKI but the result is not like I expected. I am talking about how to recompile and make deb packages so there will be kernel-image package and ubuntu-modules package
[08:20] <Zoiks> if I just want to wipe a hard drive to start afresh and make new partitions
[08:20] <Zoiks> is the installer tool good enough for that or is there a better choice?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> installer works fine
[08:21] <macogw> yeah thatd be fine
[08:22] <kanjo_> I feel very lost here, it seems to me Ubuntu doesn't provide a detail article on recompiling the kernel that is exactly like the official kernel packages. Are there any reasons behind this?
[08:23] <Zoiks> oh and what is the best fs to use
[08:24] <Zoiks> i have always used ext3 on linux
[08:24] <Zoiks> but a mate is telling me reiserFS is far better
[08:24] <kanjo_> Zoiks: try XFS
[08:24] <kanjo_> Zoiks: you won't regret
[08:24] <Ramla> ext3 is good. reiser, at least version 3 is less reliable and it's faster only when handling lots and lots of very small files
[08:25] <Zoiks> XFS?
[08:25] <kanjo_> Zoiks: ya
[08:27] <Zoiks> what do the others think about xfs
[08:31] <RAOF> It doesn't handle power-outages very well, at least anecdotally.
[08:32] <RAOF> Also, there's not really a particularly compelling reason to use anything but ext3 unless you have special needs.
[08:32] <Zoiks> fair enough
[08:33] <Amaranth> XFS is really for file servers
[08:33] <Zoiks> just the quick reading i have done then seems to suggest xfs is a bit faster and more reliable then ext3
[08:33] <RAOF> But go crazy!  There's nothing particularly *wrong* with XFS, or JFS, or ReiserFS, or...
[08:33] <Amaranth> ext3 is the best general purpose fs
[08:33] <RAOF> Zoiks: I think they were lying, at least about the "more reliable" part.  Maybe more reliable if you've got a UPS, and never ever crash.
[08:33] <Amaranth> the rest sacrifice stability for speed, vice versa, or optimize for certain tasks while making other tasks slower
[08:35] <Zoiks> RAOF: it was something to do with processing IMAX film. Said ext3 and ext2 resulted in dropped frames while xfs did not
[08:35] <Amaranth> Zoiks: yeah that'd be the kind of thing XFS is optimized for
[08:35] <RAOF> Zoiks: Right.  So, that's a very, very specialised task, that XFS is good for.
[08:35] <RAOF> "I want to push vast quantities of coherent data to the disc, really really quickly."
[08:36] <Creationist> Does anyone know of a tutorial site that will show how to install a WORKING Compiz Fusion in Kubuntu Gutsy?  Just installing "compiz" doesn't do the trick.
[08:36] <Amaranth> RAOF: which it does by _not_ pushing it but sticking it in RAM ;)
[08:36] <RAOF> Amaranth: Heh.
[08:37] <pixl> i noticed a problem with xscreensaver after waking up from sleep.. I cannot enter my password :S The only solution is to click switch user and login again
[08:37] <Amaranth> pixl: compiz?
[08:37] <pixl> yeah
[08:37] <Amaranth> pixl: fully up-to-date?
[08:38] <pixl> yeag
[08:38] <pixl> updated today morning
[08:38] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:38] <Amaranth> pixl: Unredirect Fullscreen Windows enabled?
[08:38] <pixl> how do I check?
[08:39] <Amaranth> Do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[08:39] <pixl> mm
[08:39] <pixl> general?
[08:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:39] <pixl> yup its checked
[08:39] <Amaranth> uncheck it and see if it still happens (lock your screen)
[08:40] <Amaranth> We 'fixed' this for gnome-screensaver
[08:40] <Viroo> hi
[08:40] <pixl> nice it works, thnx
[08:40] <Viroo> where can I get multimedia codecs for gusty ?
[08:41] <Amaranth> RAOF: xscreensaver not supported? :)
[08:41] <Amaranth> Viroo: they're installed on demand
[08:41] <RAOF> Amaranth: I don't think it's in main :)
[08:41] <Viroo> but shouldnt I put an additional repository in the sources.list
[08:41] <RAOF> Amaranth: Bah, yes it is.
[08:42] <Amaranth> RAOF: Sure, for xubuntu
[08:42] <Amaranth> RAOF: But we don't particularly care about Kubuntu or Xubuntu issues though
[08:42] <Viroo> how about mp3 support, the bmp cant playback my files
[08:42] <Amaranth> Oh, beep-media-player
[08:42] <Amaranth> Why not use rhythmbox?
[08:43] <Zoiks> :( i just crashed the installer
[08:43] <Viroo> does it support mp3
[08:43] <RAOF> Or banshee, or $MEDIA_PLAYER
[08:43] <Amaranth> Viroo: yes
[08:43] <RAOF> Amaranth: Out of the box?
[08:44] <Amaranth> RAOF: No but we have that fancy on demand codec installer
[08:44] <GNine> does compiz integrates well with Xubuntu 7.10?
[08:44] <Amaranth> GNine: Not at all
[08:44] <Amaranth> GNine: It'll work like a GNOME app
[08:44] <Amaranth> Pulling in half of GNOME, using GNOME settings, GNOME tools, etc
[08:45] <Viroo> it cant find the gstream plugin to decode
[08:45] <GNine> ok.. let me rephrase, will it work even tho i have Xcfe?
[08:45] <Amaranth> Viroo: Ok just install all the gstreamer0.10-* packages
[08:45] <Amaranth> GNine: It'll 'work'
[08:45] <cellofellow> How do I add workspaces to the gnome desktop? If I open the Preferences box for the Switcher applet, it doesn't give me that option.
[08:45] <Amaranth> GNine: But we don't pay any particular attention to making it work
[08:45] <GNine> will i lose xcfe after ...?
[08:46] <Amaranth> No, just xfwm
[08:48] <GNine> i got compiz located on synaptic.  marking it for installation is all that is required?
[08:49] <GNine> or should i expect any manual modification of configuration files even if everything went well with installation
[08:50] <pixl> you will probably have to add a few things to xorg.cong
[08:50] <Amaranth> GNine: well, you'll have to set it to run on startup, if that's what you want
[08:50] <Amaranth> and if you use nvidia you probably have to add something to xorg.conf
[08:50] <GNine> i do
[08:51] <Amaranth> sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visuals
[08:51] <GNine> any wiki on what is that exactly
[08:51] <GNine> oh.. gotcha
[08:51] <GNine> i already got the restricted drivers
[08:51] <cellofellow> odd, why is gEdit defaulting to maximized?
[08:53] <RAOF> Amaranth: He shouldn't have to do nvidia-xconfig, right?  restricted-manager adds the appropriate foo.
[08:53] <GNine> should i run that sudo line b4 installation?
[08:53] <pixl> how do I change background color that flls the screen right after I login and before gnome starts up?
[08:54] <Amaranth> RAOF: 1) People think they're smart enough to not need restricted-manager and 2) Xubuntu
[08:54] <RAOF> Amaranth: Bah!  I always forget that strange people use !Gnome :)
[08:54] <pixl> even though i have background color set to black both in login setting and appearance, my screen gets filled with the default ubuntu brown
[08:56] <GNine> yah.. it does the same thing in my Xubuntu as well, pixl
[08:56] <GNine> it dont bother me tho
[08:57] <riotkittie> i am using ndiswrapper, and it makes me feel so dirty. i just thought i'd share.
[08:57] <pixl> well I got a black login and dark wallpaper.. so it does bother me :P
[08:59] <GNine> xubuntu login is blue and my desktop is blue as well.. i got that brown in between.. at least black/brown is more fashionable than blue/brown    :-P
[08:59] <riotkittie> blue is so last year
[09:00] <GNine> well.. i have a windows user next to me.. so i thought i would try and "blend" in
[09:00] <GNine> heh
[09:00] <riotkittie> my desktop is plaid. with lime green piping.
[09:02] <Crozar> hey guys why doesnt ubuntu have right click show preview forexample * Pictures , yes sometimes ill be looking for a pic i want to preview it before have it selected.
[09:02] <riotkittie> ok. i lied.  it's a lovely shade of cat puke :|
[09:03] <GNine> nobody has a recommendation about doing  "sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visual "  before or after compiz installation
[09:03] <GNine> ?
[09:04] <RAOF> GNine: Doesn't matter.
[09:04] <GNine> 10-4
[09:04] <RAOF> GNine: You probably don't even need to run it, but if you do, run it before you start compiz.
[09:05] <KenSentMe> I have a problem with Wine that seems to be fixed in 0.9.46 while 0.9.45 is in the Gutsy repo. Is there a chance that .46 will hit the repositories?
[09:05] <Crozar> guys my keyboard doing a sound whenever i type help!!!
[09:05] <Crozar> doing tot tot tot tot on the speakers whenever i type
[09:05] <GNine> alright.. that poses the Q:  how do i know if i need to do that?   i have restricted drivers good to go. Nvidia. fresh upgrade to 7.10 on Xfce4 desktop.
[09:06] <RAOF> KenSentMe: Very unlikely, but possible.
[09:06] <RAOF> GNine: You'll be able to tell if none of your windows have titlebars :)
[09:06] <pixl> GNine if you cant see window border run the rhb visulas line
[09:06] <frostburn> actually where would be the best place to get the latest wine binaries once gutsy comes out, besides compiling
[09:06] <RAOF> frostburn: winehq.org
[09:07] <GNine> groovy.  ok.. let me hunt the beast then.
[09:07] <RAOF> frostburn: They have repositories :)
[09:07] <frostburn> RAOF, i heard they weren't going to add gutsy since it's in the regular repo
[09:07] <frostburn> shrug,
[09:08] <GNine> one last Q.  is compiz going to be in my programs menu after install?
[09:08] <RAOF> frostburn: Maybe.  If so, that'd mean that they had a standing freeze exception.  It's entirely possible that wine has one of those.
[09:08] <RAOF> GNine: No.
[09:08] <GNine> so , how do i call it
[09:08] <RAOF> GNine: compiz --replace on a terminal, and you can add that to your startup apps
[09:09] <GNine> ok. now to hunt the beast.  heh
[09:10] <GNine> i see a bunch of "compiz" packages in synaptic.
[09:11] <GNine> am guessing the one simply called "compiz " is the one i should mark?
[09:11] <RAOF> "compiz" should pull in all the ones you need.  You may also want compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:11] <GNine> okeydockey..
[09:11] <GNine> :)
[09:12] <Crozar> guys my keyboard doing a sound whenever i type help!!!
[09:12] <CountX> lol
[09:12] <pixl> GNine and youll probably want compiz-fusion-plugins*
[09:12] <GNine> ok.. looking...
[09:14] <GNine> the only one not being pulled is that one RAOF  just point out last
[09:14] <GNine> (marking it anyway)
[09:18] <GNine> so.. now i need to restart X?
[09:19] <RAOF> No.
[09:19] <RAOF> Just start compiz.
[09:19] <pixl> compiz --indirect-rendering --replace
[09:19] <RAOF> Ignore the --indirect-rendering bit, probably :)
[09:19] <pixl> i find compiz to be alot more stable with indirect rendering..
[09:19] <pixl> without it i get glitches
[09:20] <RAOF> pixl: Oh, so nvidia doesn't lock the box when compiz shuts down with --indirect-rendering anymore? :P
[09:20] <GNine> hmm
[09:21] <pixl> havent had such problems.. on the other hand without it i sometimes get black windows and flickering video overlays
[09:21] <GNine> i got 2ghz cpu and 1gig RAM...  would that help in choosing indirect or otherwise?
[09:22] <RAOF> GNine: Not really.  Graphics card (and drivers) is more important.
[09:22] <pixl> also latest nvidia driver v. 100.xxx is crap.. 7xxx version is more stable.. at least with my gf 7300 on my laptop
[09:22] <GNine> i got that driver
[09:22] <GNine> ok.. i'll go indirect then
[09:23] <pixl> GNine use indirect to be on the safe side.. if you run into trouble for some reason try without it :P
[09:23] <RAOF> pixl: ??
[09:23] <pixl> ?
[09:23] <RAOF> pixl: The 7xxx version doesn't even *support* that card?
[09:23] <RAOF> pixl: nvidia-glx-new really are the drivers that you want to be using.
[09:24] <RAOF> pixl: Also, if you're using the 7xxx drivers, then you're using Xgl :)
[09:24] <pixl> yes it does.. and 100 version results in garbage on the screen, lockups when restarting x and death upon wakeup from sleep :P
[09:24] <GNine> and thats a sudo line , right?
[09:25] <RAOF> No.
[09:25] <GNine> k
[09:25] <RAOF> No, no, no :)
[09:25] <pixl> oh wait sorry.. my bad I was wrong about the version.. i use 9639 :)
[09:25] <cellojoe> what card are we working on?
[09:26] <GNine> it just told me xgl is not present ..
[09:27] <RAOF> GNine: That's fine, it's not necessary.
[09:27] <cellojoe> mine says 'device not found'
[09:27] <GNine> ok.. but .. compiz aborted ..
[09:27] <user01> wow this last set of updates broke lots on my system
[09:28] <riotkittie> glee. i'm looking forward to updating now :P
[09:28] <cellojoe> i keep hoping that there'll be an update to something, and it'll fix everything :P
[09:28] <user01> :)
[09:28] <user01> only 16 days left till it works :D
[09:28] <erichj> occasionally i am proud of microsoft http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/zune/firstgen-zune-getting-all-the-new-features-this-is-how-you-treat-your-customers-306422.php
[09:28] <riotkittie> so we hope :o
[09:29] <cellojoe> what other times have you been proud of MS?
[09:29] <user01> im suprised they hadnt even done a kernel freeze when i started downloading a week ago
[09:29] <pixl> GNine make sure you have all neede x extensions loaded.. check out my config at http://www.schreder.nu/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_on_EasyNote
[09:30] <pixl> look at the "Load" lines at the top
[09:30] <riotkittie> wow thats pretty decent of them.
[09:30] <user01> im waiting for openmoko :D
[09:30] <pixl> i have to update my tutorial on installing compiz fusion :p its alot easier now...
[09:31] <erichj> cellojoe, when ms released my mouse. i realized that microsoft was actually capable of releasing a product that could be called perfect..imho
[09:32] <user01> hmmm totem died now too
[09:32] <cellojoe> erichj: which mouse it that?
[09:32] <erichj> ms wireless notebook laser mouse 6000
[09:33] <erichj> it's like it was molded just for my hand. best mouse i have ever used
[09:33] <cellojoe> that's a sweet lookin mouse
[09:33] <cellojoe> looks like a logitech one i used
[09:34] <user01> loos like the logitech one i use
[09:34] <erichj> which one?
[09:35] <riotkittie> my husband wants to steal my logitech mouse. which he bought and paid for, but thats besides the point :'(
[09:36] <user01> v270
[09:36] <erichj> i used to use a logitech v470 until i found my 6000
[09:36] <macogw> if i want to submit a script as an easter egg for maybe gutsy, or at least hardy, where would i do that?
[09:36] <cellojoe> um... the v270 doesn't look anything like the ms 6000
[09:37] <macogw> its not a patch against a package, so im not sure what to do
[09:37] <user01> umm its a mouse they all look the same more or less
[09:37] <cellojoe> well... yes
[09:37] <erichj> 270 is just ugly
[09:38] <user01> erichj:  i wouldnt know i just use it to click not to put on fashion shows
[09:38] <erichj> user01, you wouldn't last a day as a mac user then
[09:38] <cellojoe> lol
[09:38] <user01> erichj:  thank god
[09:38] <erichj> haha
[09:38] <GNine> is this the time to run that   sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visuals?    however.. it says xgl  not   glx   was not found
[09:39] <user01> user01:  thats why i erased my ipod firware and replaced it with a nix clone
[09:39] <RAOF> GNine: Yes, probably time to xconfig.
[09:39] <erichj> bed time for me
[09:39] <erichj> later everyone
[09:40] <kbrosnan> If I enable the Nvidia drivers X appears to hang and I end up pressing the reset switch and must switch back to the nv drivers.
[09:41] <RAOF> GNine: Because you don't have it installed.  This is not a problem.
[09:41] <GNine> so the theory is that i dont need xgl ...?
[09:41] <RAOF> GNine: It's just that the compiz wrapper has to do some different things when you're using Xgl.
[09:41] <GNine> ok
[09:41] <GNine> running the sudo line now
[09:42] <kbrosnan> i am using i386 kernel and my video card is a 8600gt
[09:43] <RAOF> kbrosnan: Well, the i386 kernel is probably a mistake, you probably want -generic.
[09:44] <RAOF> kbrosnan: Also, *when* does X appear to hang?
[09:44] <kbrosnan> before any gui loads, just after the ubuntu progress bar
[09:45] <Blackgoth> \o/ gutsy ftw
[09:45] <GNine> well.. ran the config line ok.  went back to call compiz  indirect-rendering --replace, same xgl missing message..
[09:45] <kbrosnan> actually just checked uname and it is the generic
[09:45] <RAOF> GNine: And after that?
[09:45] <Blackgoth> kbrosnan, do you have a ATI card?
[09:45] <GNine> nothing after tha
[09:45] <GNine> t
[09:45] <kbrosnan> Blackgoth: no see a few lines up nvidia 8600
[09:46] <RAOF> GNine: Nothing at all?  The system freezes?
[09:46] <Blackgoth> i kinda missed that, using a bnc :+
[09:46] <GNine> no. it just doesnt start compiz.. system is stable
[09:46] <RAOF> GNine: If it wasn't starting Compiz, it would say "Continuing with fallback WM..."
[09:47] <GNine> so.. where is this xgl at ... cause compiz wants it
[09:47] <RAOF> GNine: Why do you think that compiz isn't running? ;)
[09:47] <Blackgoth> are you using the ubuntu drivers or the ubuntu drivers?
[09:47] <Blackgoth> *nvidia drivers
[09:47] <kbrosnan> tried both, same results
[09:47] <GNine> oh.. yah.. that.. it just falls back to metacity .. xfce4 in this case ..
[09:48] <Blackgoth> and when you use compiz --replace what does it say?
[09:48] <RAOF> GNine: Can you pastebin the full output?  It *can't* just say "Xgl: not present", there has to be more :)
[09:48] <GNine> that is all..
[09:48] <GNine> :-/
[09:48] <musikgoat> i would like to do a clean install of gutsy, and would like to export my installed list of synaptic.  is this easily possible?
[09:48] <RAOF> But there's the "falling back to..." thing, yes?  That's not *just* Xgl: no :P
[09:49] <Blackgoth> musikgoat: yes actually
[09:49] <musikgoat> i've tried the generate package download script, but i think i could be using that wrong
[09:49] <musikgoat> its blank bash shell script
[09:49] <Blackgoth> musikgoat: do a locate on .deb files
[09:49] <Blackgoth> it should be somewhere in /var/ something
[09:49] <musikgoat> ok
[09:49] <GNine> the first thing is check for xgl .. it dont find it. so it falls back to metacity .. which in turn still wants to find the indirect-rendering and of course, thats an unknown option for metacity..
[09:50] <kbrosnan> my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39432/
[09:50] <Blackgoth> just backup that dir, and when you are done with the reinstall just dpkg -i *
[09:50] <musikgoat> thats whats installed?
[09:50] <musikgoat> ahh
[09:50] <musikgoat> i c
[09:50] <musikgoat> thanks
[09:51] <GNine> so.. am just gonna look in synaptic for xgl ...
[09:51] <RAOF> GNine: You'll find it.  However...
[09:52] <GNine> or.. maybe i should just run compiz without the indirect-rendering part
[09:52] <macogw> anyone interested in running a stranger-on-the-internet's script?
[09:52] <jmg_> macogw: sif
[09:52] <musikgoat> Blackgoth:  /var/cache/apt/archives/   has a ton of .deb
[09:52] <GNine> however ...?  RAOF
[09:52] <RAOF> GNine: That's a good idea :)
[09:53] <macogw> jmg: sif?
[09:53] <RAOF> GNine: However, I'm looking at the compiz script, and it *cannot* output only "Xgl: not present" :)
[09:53] <jmg> macogw: expands to "as if"
[09:54] <RAOF> GNine: And you should be able to run compiz without Xgl.
[09:54] <macogw> jmg: oh.  its like 12 lines and it's a bash script, so you can read it.  and it's mine
[09:54] <jmg> macogw: what does it do?
[09:54] <macogw> well, you type "make me a sandwich" and it response
[09:54] <macogw> *responds
[09:54] <jmg> no?
[09:54] <jmg> haha
[09:54] <jmg> where is it?
[09:54] <macogw> and if you sudo it...
[09:54] <jmg> it says OK?
[09:55] <macogw> http://colbyframeco.com/~maco/nix/sandwich.tar.gz
[09:55] <macogw> if you just untar it you'd do ./make me a sandwich
[09:55] <macogw> if you put it in /usr/local/bin, you don't need the ./
[09:55] <GNine> ok.. i have "something" going on.. some desktop effects kicked in.. but terminal is throwing a "...pager needs to be fixed" message now
[09:56] <macogw> GNine: are you unable to see the whole message? you can cat it to a file and then less it
[09:57] <GNine> "meta-window-activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp"
[09:58] <GNine> thats coming from the window-manager
[10:06] <Blackgoth> musikgoat: thats the dir :)
[10:07] <GNine> Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3800020 (Terminal -) is the issue now..   :-/
[10:07] <Blackgoth> :P
[10:07] <tekhawk> anyone here work with java
[10:08] <RAOF> GNine: You don't really need to worry about that.  That's just compiz complaining about buggy programs.
[10:08] <tekhawk> trying to figure out why i cant run a simple print class without Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: poping u
[10:08] <tekhawk> upo
[10:09] <GNine> looked pretty alarming on the terminal window.   and its just looping ...
[10:09] <Blackgoth> Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: XML declaration not well-formed
[10:09] <Blackgoth> are you getting that too?
[10:10] <GNine> ok.. so i pulled the compiz manager .. all i have to do now is click away on the features?
[10:12] <cellojoe> who wants to say my nick so i can test a setting?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: not me
[10:13] <cellojoe> muuuuuch better. no more libnotify errors :) thanks
[10:13] <cellojoe> i probably should've fixed libnotify, but instead i just disabled it
[10:14] <RAOF> cellojoe: I believe just installing libnotify-bin would have fixed it for you
[10:15] <cellojoe> hm... in the repos?
[10:15] <RAOF> Yes.
[10:15] <Creationist> I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy.  Can anyone tell me why, all of a sudden, my ability to "Switch User' has completely disappeared?
[10:15] <tekhawk> anyone know if there is any post apt stuff needed to get JDK working
[10:16] <cellojoe> RAOF: it's already installed
[10:18] <RAOF> cellojoe: Ah.  Well, then...
[10:18] <cellojoe> heh, thanks tho
[10:19] <cellojoe> libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[10:19] <cellojoe> that's what it'd say
[10:19] <RAOF> Ah, right.  It's a problem *in* libnotify-bin.  Or rather, a problem finding the session bus.
[10:19] <cellojoe> that is... using irssi in screen thru ssh
[10:20] <RAOF> As am I.
[10:20] <cellojoe> s'the only way to do it
[10:20] <cellojoe> how did we ever get by w/o screen?
[10:21] <cellojoe> anyway, i'm off.
[10:22] <Creationist> !iirc
[10:22] <ubotu> IIRC means "if I remember correctly"
[10:23] <cellojoe> @chuck
[10:23] <cellojoe> awww
[10:23] <GNine> as soon as i closed the terminal window compiz crashed my whole system
[10:23] <Creationist> hmm... I really need to leave my session open and allow others to login, but the "Switch user" option has disappeared.... anyone know how I can do this?
[10:23] <GNine> i had to fix xorg
[10:25] <GNine> and i had lost my borders right before the crash too
[10:25] <RAOF> GNine: Yes, that'll happen :).  Becuase closing the terminal window closed compiz, so you didn't have a window manager.
[10:25] <tux_fl> anyone know about the dhcp bug in gutsy?
[10:26] <GNine> so whats the advanced desktop effects settings
[10:27] <GNine> how do i "get" the window manager
[10:29] <GNine> am getting a s*** load of updates just now
[10:31] <Blackgoth> shooo!
[10:31] <Blackgoth> :P
[10:31] <tiger_>  hi there, conky shows 100% cpu usage all the time on my amd turion machine.However, both top and ps aux show normal cpu activities ?
[10:35] <Eq|work> then conky is wrong.
[10:36] <Blackgoth> conky is WORNG!
[10:36] <Blackgoth> sorry, tad too mutch 4chan
[10:36] <tiger_> :d yes, I know that. But is there any workaround or at least known bug
[10:37] <Blackgoth> tiger_: ill install conky on my laptop, just a sec
[10:39] <Blackgoth> tiger_: must be something you did, works fine here :P
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[10:42] (Blackgoth/#ubuntu+1) tiger_: I have 2 dualcores here, without a problem
[10:43] (tiger_/#ubuntu+1) Gutsy/amd64 on an amd machine ?
[10:43] (Blackgoth/#ubuntu+1) yes
[10:43] <Blackgoth> Linux heavy 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model		: 67
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model		: 67
[10:44] <Blackgoth> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
[10:44] <Blackgoth> :>
[10:44] <tiger_> hehe . Then it is something personal with conky.
[10:45] <tiger_> anyhow, I will look for another system monitor. Thanks ;)
[10:46] <Vhata> update-manager -d is giving me MD5Sum mismatch errors on Packages.bz2 - how long should I wait before retrying?
[11:17] <aldanon> anyone here good at creating drivers?
[11:17] <aldanon> i'm trying to setup the new 64bit x-fi drivers with no joy
[11:17] <jmg> heh
[11:17] <aldanon> uh oh that didnt sound good hehe
[11:18] <jmg> file a bug
[11:18] <aldanon> i know compiling drivers isn't fun
[11:18] <jmg> against alsa] 
[11:18] <aldanon> usr13 filling you in? ;)
[11:19] <usr13> He's done ok up until make
[11:19] <usr13> WARNING: Error inserting haxfi
[11:19] <usr13> FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa
[11:19] <jmg> Er..
[11:20] <Eq|work> that sounds like it's built fine..
[11:20] <Eq|work> has depmod been run since inserting the modules into /lib/modules ?
[11:20] <Eq|work> and what does dmesg say about that?
[11:20] <aldanon> here's the directions i'm following http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-587921.html
[11:20] <usr13> He  is using instructions at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-587921.html
[11:21] <usr13> aldanon: Yea, run depmod -a   (again)
[11:21] <aldanon> permission denied
[11:21] <usr13> sudo depmod -a
[11:22] <usr13> make
[11:22] <aldanon> back to prompt, no errors
[11:22] <usr13> make install
[11:22] <aldanon> warning "interlockedincrement" dedfined
[11:22] <usr13> run make again [first] 
[11:22] <aldanon> is the long and short of it
[11:23] <aldanon> err *undefined
[11:23] <usr13> interlockedincrement" dedfined
[11:23] <usr13> ?
[11:23] <aldanon> WARNING: "InterlockedIncrement" [/home/stragee/temp/XFiDrv_Linux_US-1.04/src/plugins/cthwiut/cthwiut.ko]  undefined!
[11:23] <aldanon> tons of those messages referring to different plugins
[11:24] <jtmoney> how do i enable compiz in kubuntu gutsy?
[11:25] <aldanon> any thoughts Eq|work?
[11:26] <stdin> jtmoney: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion just ignore the repositories part
[11:27] <aldanon> usr13?
[11:27] <xst> Where do I enable desktop effects in gutsy?
[11:27] <aldanon> i guess this is starting to look like a no-win  eh?
[11:27] <stdin> xst: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion just ignore the repositories part
[11:27] <Vhata> when I run update-manager -d to upgrade to gutsy, it creates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list which has "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main/debian-installer" hardcoded in it (I'm not even in the USA), and this repository gives me MD5Sum mismatch errors which means I can't upgrade to gutsy - anybody got any ideas?
[11:28] <aldanon> any compiling wizards here? ;)
[11:28] <jtmoney> okay, i see that the package compiz isn't even installed... isn't there some way to just check a box and have it installed/enabled?
[11:28] <xst> I thought compiz was part of gutsy. Isn't it that?
[11:29] <xst> Part of the standard installation, I mean
[11:29] <jtmoney> yeah, exactly
[11:29] <jtmoney> well, i just installed beta from scratch and it wasn't included
[11:29] <jtmoney> then again, i had to enable fglrx after the install
[11:31] <aldanon> usr13: i think i found something ;)
[11:31] <Eq|work> aldanon : is it just warnings, or are there errors?
[11:31] <Eq|work> warnings you can ignore.
[11:32] <Eq|work> (usually)
[11:32] <aldanon> eqlwork would you mind checking this page for me?
[11:32] <aldanon> it might be my answer but i dont understand it
[11:32] <Eq|work> can probably try
[11:33] <aldanon> halfway down the page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3453210
[11:33] <aldanon> waldorsockbat talked about ctsound-script and ript out the offending piece of code
[11:33] <aldanon> i'm getting the same error as him
[11:35] <Eq|work> aldanon : just to confirm, when trying to load the module you get 'Unknown kernel version. Exit...' ?
[11:35] <aldanon> err actually no
[11:36] <aldanon> if you scroll up 1 post, you'll see the error i'm getting
[11:36] <aldanon> FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctalsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[11:36] <Eq|work> that's after doing make install, yeah?
[11:37] <aldanon> correct
[11:37] <Eq|work> what are you running to get that to happen?
[11:37] <aldanon> ?
[11:38] <Eq|work> is that happening as part of make install?
[11:38] <Eq|work> or through something else?
[11:38] <aldanon> right, after i type make install, it get a long list of messages ending with that one
[11:38] <Eq|work> ok
[11:38] <Eq|work> sudo depmod -a; sudo modprobe ctalsa
[11:39] <aldanon> FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctalsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[11:39] <Eq|work> dmesg | tail
[11:39] <jmg>  what does dmesg say?
[11:40] <aldanon> i suppose i shouldnt paste all of that heh
[11:40] <Eq|work> pastebin
[11:40] <Eq|work> but even then, no
[11:40] <jmg> just the relevant part
[11:40] <aldanon> not sure how to pastebin
[11:40] <aldanon> sorry ;/
[11:40] <jmg> pastebin.org
[11:40] <jmg> !pastebin > aldanon
[11:41] <aldanon> http://www.pastebin.org/3988
[11:42] <Eq|work> is that all there is about the ctalsa stuff?
[11:42] <jmg> looks like you are building against the wrong kernel source or something
[11:42] <aldanon> that's the result of dmesg | tail
[11:42] <Eq|work> aldanon : can you do dmesg normally, and check that?
[11:42] <aldanon> i'm running 7.10
[11:43] <Eq|work> however it does look like it's down to a single unknown symbol..
[11:43] <aldanon> just type dmesg?
[11:43] <jmg> crimsun: what do you make of http://www.pastebin.org/3988
[11:43] <Eq|work> aldanon : yeah
[11:44] <Eq|work> then check the end of it
[11:44] <Eq|work> for ctalsa stuff..
[11:45] <Eq|work> I think the problem is that the Ubuntu v7.10 kernel is compiled to use SLUB and not SLAB because malloc_sizes is not included in SLUB but in SLAB.
[11:45] <aldanon> http://www.pastebin.org/3989
[11:45] <Eq|work> from a quick google
[11:45] <Eq|work> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4289942.html?sid=90ecb60103d3e535d1ee6eb709a58aed#4289942
[11:46] <Eq|work> file a bug against the kernel
[11:46] <aldanon> slab and slub? heh
[11:47] <Eq|work> yeah, doesn't mean a huge amount to me either
[11:47] <Eq|work> and i've been compiling kernels for 7 years..
[11:47] <aldanon> i download the 2.6.22.9 vanilla kernel and used my configuration except that i changed slub to slab, works fine now hah
[11:48] <aldanon> now if only i knew a slub from a slab i'd be just dandy =D hehe
[11:48] <Eq|work> like i said - file a bug against the kernel
[11:48] <aldanon> 5 more hours sunk into ubuntu
[11:48] <aldanon> windows has the viruses and spyware, while ubuntu simply doesnt work
[11:49] <aldanon> pick your poison lmao
[11:49] <aldanon> aww well thanks much to everyone that attempted to help, usr13, eqlwork etc you guys rock
[11:49] <aldanon> tc all
[11:50] <Eq|work> aldanon : you can't say ubuntu doesn't work
[11:50] <Eq|work> it's not ubuntus fault that creative write shite drivers
[11:51] <aldanon> sounds like a kernel issue
[11:51] <aldanon> who knows, it is a beta driver
[11:51] <Eq|work> not really
[11:51] <Eq|work> it's creatives fault for writing shit drivers and not releasing the specs
[11:52] <Eq|work> a kernel change will resolve it
[11:52] <Eq|work> if you can hang around for a while i can probably help you with that
[11:52] <Eq|work> need to spend some time working first though :P
[11:52] <aldanon> that's cool, you have an IM?
[11:53] <aldanon> i've gotta hit the sack, but it'd be cool to try tomorrow
[11:53] <wabiD> how old is the vmware player from synaptic
[11:54] <aldanon> i don't mean to flame, technically the build of OS i'm on is in beta too
[11:56] <aldanon> welp just leave a message on www.techreflection.com
[11:56] <aldanon> it's my site, appreciate the help
[12:19] <Starcraftmazter> How do I disable compiz in 7.10 (latest)? The desktop effects aren't there anymore
[12:20] <Starcraftmazter> that is, the desktop effects enable/disable dialogue
[12:21] <jsomers> system - preferences - appearance
[12:21] <jsomers> it's all combined into one dialog these days
[12:21] <nanonyme> heh @ topic
[12:22] <Starcraftmazter> ahhh :D
[12:22] <nanonyme> maybe i should do a dist-upgrade too, haven't done it for half a week
[12:22] <Starcraftmazter> doesnt update manager do it automatically since 6.10
[12:22] <Starcraftmazter> hmmm nevermind at my comment :D
[12:23] <wabiD> does anyone have vista booting off a real partition with vmware
[12:23] <nanonyme> Starcraftmazter, i don't use update manager :)
[12:23] <Starcraftmazter> really?
[12:24] <bazhang> greetings
[12:24] <Starcraftmazter> hi
[12:24] <nanonyme> Starcraftmazter, no, i just use aptitude
[12:24] <Starcraftmazter> I see
[12:24] <nanonyme> haven't seen any reason to use anything else
[12:24] <bazhang> kubuntu is really solid.
[12:25] <Starcraftmazter> yep, so is a brick wall :D
[12:25] <gunny> anyone experience much longer delay (30 secs+) now after Gutsy login to having a ready desktop compared to feisty?
[12:25] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: haha
[12:26] <Starcraftmazter> gunny, I've been having all sorts of desktop bugs in Gutsy
[12:26] <bazhang> gunny: boot time is really fast for me--around 10-15 seconds.
[12:26] <Starcraftmazter> atm workspaces just don't friggin want to function properly :D
[12:26] <gunny> bazhang: hmmm just after login though it takes heaps longer in gutsy
[12:26] <bazhang> gunny: really?
[12:27] <bazhang> gunny: I had tons more trouble with Feisty.
[12:27] <gunny> bazhang: yep and it real quick in fesity so something's competing somewhere i've turned off (removed) tracker as well
[12:27] <gunny> are you guys running full compiz as well
[12:28] <bazhang> yep.
[12:28] <Starcraftmazter> yer
[12:28] <bazhang> gunny: but javascript is disabled--wordpress doesn't like it.
[12:28] <Starcraftmazter> I thought it was causing problems, but apparently not >_>
[12:28] <gunny> everything's behaving really well except for speed of first time login
[12:28] <bazhang> very brick wall like here.
[12:28] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[12:29] <gunny> and alsa micro[hone woes with ICH6 ALC880 which worked in fesity
[12:29] <gunny> s/fesity/feisty
[12:29] <Starcraftmazter> feisty:D
[12:29] <bazhang> gunny: very first time log in was slow, but since then it has been phenomenal, both start up and shutdown--shutdown or reboot is around 5 seconds
[12:29] <gunny> wow
[12:30] <gunny> mind you i'm also running oracle, mysql etc but was before as well
[12:30] <bazhang> gunny: well that might explain it.
[12:30] <gunny> its not boot up, its after login thats the prob
[12:30] <bazhang> everytime?
[12:31] <gunny> only really first time but if i log out in and its faster but not the same as before
[12:31] <gunny> as in the same as in feisty
[12:32] <bazhang> ok
[12:32] <Starcraftmazter> check your startup in sessions>?
[12:33] <gunny> that and the microphone issues are the only things annoying me..everything else is great (running oracle, eclipse, mythtv all good)
[12:33] <bazhang> wow you got mythtv going, how long did that take?
[12:33] <gunny> it was working in feisty as well not too long few hours of tinkering !
[12:34] <bazhang> just a few hours? front and back end? wow.
[12:34] <gunny> yep and two remotes (feisty and mac os x) !
[12:34] <bazhang> unreal
[12:35] <Starcraftmazter> anyone have any bugs relating to switching workspaces?
[12:35] <gunny> i'm really impressed by it also got austrlian program grabbers working as well
[12:35] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: do you mean viewport switcher?
[12:35] <bazhang> shift-super-tab?
[12:35] <Starcraftmazter> no
[12:35] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: i do
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> this is outside of compiz
[12:36] <bazhang> gunny: avermedia card?
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> lemsx1, what do you experience?
[12:36] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: oh, sorry.
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> thats ok:D
[12:36] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: well, only when running compiz
[12:36] <Starcraftmazter> compiz workspace switching is also buggy I found
[12:36] <gunny> yep this is all on a clevo D900 with a M102 (i think) avermedia card
[12:36] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: right now i turned off compiz because of problems when switching users
[12:37] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: but i assume that this is a known issue
[12:37] <Starcraftmazter> do you still have problems with workspaces?
[12:37] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: i only have 2 workspaces now (whatever default) and clicking on the applet to switch just works... what should i be seeing?
[12:38] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: ctrl+alt+left|right also works
[12:38] <Starcraftmazter> hmmm
[12:38] <Starcraftmazter> in 7.10 where do you chose number of workspaces
[12:38] <Starcraftmazter> assuming compiz is off
[12:39] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: i think there is no GUI to allow you to change that...
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> :O
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> thats strange
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> in previous versions it was in properties of workspaces
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> spaces
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> whatever
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[12:40] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: yep. and that created a ton of problems with consistency
[12:40] <Starcraftmazter> where is the setting
[12:40] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: especially with compiz/beryl etc
[12:41] <compwiz18> I have a usb bluetooth dongle that works perfectly on my x86 gutsy laptop, but not on a different x64 laptop.  The message is Couldn't display "obex://[00:1c:12:a9:0d:72] ". Check if the service is available.  Any suggestions?
[12:41] <Starcraftmazter> mmm
[12:42] <Starcraftmazter> compwiz18 check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[12:42] <compwiz18> Starcraftmazter, I looked at that, it didn't help.  But I have a bluetooth update, hang on
[12:43] <compwiz18> I set up both of the computers the same, but it only likes my x32 one
[12:43] <rothchild> hey compwiz18 still no joy with bluetooth
[12:43] <compwiz18> me neither
[12:43] <compwiz18> just got a bluetooth update
[12:44] <compwiz18> but it looks like it didn't help
[12:44] <wabiD> grr vmware is still being dumb
[12:44] <rothchild> :-(
[12:44] <compwiz18> gonna reboot
[12:44] <compwiz18> brb
[12:44] <Eq|work> compwiz18 : before you do
[12:44] <Eq|work> or not
[12:44] <lemsx1> wabiD: whatchamean? i'm using vmware on Gutsy
[12:44] <wabiD> im trying to boot a physical partition
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: ah, good luck with that ;-)
[12:45] <wabiD> but it says i have insufficient bhah
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: vmware 6?
[12:45] <wabiD> yea
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: are you a member of "disk" group?
[12:45] <wabiD> adduser wabid disk?
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: or whatever group owns the /dev/* device?
[12:45] <lemsx1> wabiD: yep. and logout/login
[12:45] <Starcraftmazter> wow, GL desktop just made my workspaces work, what seems to be flawlessly
[12:45] <wabiD> k brb
[12:46] <Starcraftmazter> is gl desktop related to compiz?
[12:46] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: good to know. but now you lost user switching ability ;-)
[12:46] <Starcraftmazter> lol I dont use multiple users :D
[12:47] <wabiD> now it says the partition table is invalid
[12:47] <Starcraftmazter> with my previous question though, is GL desktop related to compiz?
[12:47] <lemsx1> Starcraftmazter: share with the world! open SSH with root account enabled and no password. that allows those without fast machines to run code on your PC!
[12:47] <lemsx1> wabiD: that's an improvement uh?
[12:47] <Starcraftmazter> :O
[12:47] <wabiD> i can dual boot just fine
[12:48] <lemsx1> wabiD: you will need to reformat that with vmware i guess... or at least use something that fixes the partition table like cfdisk
[12:48] <lemsx1> wabiD: yeah, but that's not the same my friend
[12:48] <compwiz18> huh
[12:48] <compwiz18> no joy with that update
[12:49] <lemsx1> wabiD: when you "dual boot" your system knows about your partitions because it sees the whole disk
[12:49] <wabiD> soo how can i use cfdisk
[12:49] <lemsx1> wabiD: when you tell vmware to use a disk as a drive (a partition!?) how can it know that?
[12:49] <wabiD> im telling it to use /dev/sda1
[12:49] <lemsx1> wabiD: well, you have to sacrifice something
[12:50] <wabiD> i typed in cfdisk /dev/sda1 and it said fatal error
[12:50] <lemsx1> wabiD: is up to you what you do. but you will either need to mess up your dual boot, or tell vmware to use an image instead of a physical disk/partition
[12:51] <wabiD> how will it mess up dual boot
[12:51] <lemsx1> wabiD: where are you typing that? in your real OS?
[12:51] <wabiD> i think i could sacrifice it as long as it is reversable
[12:51] <wabiD> yea
[12:51] <lemsx1> wabiD: you can't do that
[12:51] <wabiD> i only have a primary os
[12:51] <wabiD> i cant even make the vmware file
[12:52] <lemsx1> wabiD: you need to assign /dev/sda1 as a "disk" in vmware. and then use a CD image or something to boot inside vmware. and partition your "disk"
[12:52] <wabiD> partition ends after end-of-disk, that doesnt sound good
[12:52] <wabiD> would that erase my current vista partition
[12:52] <wabiD> or is this a fake partition
[12:52] <lemsx1> wabiD: uh?
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: where is vista? /dev/sda1 as well?
[12:53] <wabiD> thats what vista is /dev/sda1
[12:53] <wabiD> i shrunk it and installed ubuntu reciently
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: jeje!. you're a funny dude
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: what are you trying to do now? boot into ubuntu and use vmware to open your vista from your physical drive?
[12:53] <wabiD> youre laughing at me in other languages :)
[12:53] <lemsx1> wabiD: that won't work
[12:53] <wabiD> why not
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: well, good luck
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: but that won't work
[12:54] <wabiD> it says its an option on line
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: yeah, you can install Vista like that
[12:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: but you won't be able to make vista work inside vmware. the "hardware" is not the same
[12:54] <wabiD> yea itll ask me to reactivate
[12:55] <wabiD> ill just remove activation later
[12:55] <lemsx1> wabiD: vmware emulates a FULL system. it's not a "hypervisor" or something that uses paravirtualization
[12:55] <lemsx1> wabiD: let me know if you get it to work
[12:55] <wabiD> shouldnt it at least attempt to boot vista though
[12:55] <wabiD> and then realize its the wrong hardware and crap out
[12:56] <wabiD> wait i think i got it
[12:56] <lemsx1> wabiD: no, that's the problem. vmware will attempt to read the "disk" partition and map it to the BIOS
[12:58] <wabiD> yea now i get an error that the partition table on the disk has changed since the disk was created
[12:58] <compwiz18> does anyone know how to "pair" a bluetooth device with the computer?
[12:58] <wabiD> is there any way i can tell vmware to boot to a folder that is mounted by ubuntu
[12:58] <wabiD> instead of a file
[12:58] <wabiD> like /media/naxos or something
[12:59] <lemsx1> compwiz18: put them in discover mode and pair them? which is pairing which ?
[12:59] <compwiz18> how do I tell Ubuntu to pair with the cell phone?
[12:59] <lemsx1> wabiD: not that i know of. why would that work? think of vmware as a "machine"
[01:00] <lemsx1> wabiD: you might want to try PXE or something like that to boot to a remote system...
[01:00] <lemsx1> wabiD: i'm not sure if you can do that with windows though...
[01:01] <wabiD> i got vista to boot
[01:01] <wabiD> i actually managed to get grub to boot
[01:01] <lemsx1> wabiD: but, in my case, i think it's easier to simply backup your data from your vista partition. remove the partition and set that as a regular ext3 or so partition. use vmware from linux and install vista in an image file that will take all the space from /dev/sda1 (ext3). then restore your files. and you are done
[01:01] <wabiD> vista craps out at crcdsk
[01:01] <wabiD> not unexpected though
[01:02] <Eq|work> compwiz18 : is the driver in the restricted modules by any chance?
[01:03] <wabiD> what is release mouse in vmware
[01:03] <mon^rch> ctrl+alt
[01:03] <compwiz18> Eq|work, I don't think so.  I plugged the USB dongle in, it recognized it, and it can see my phone, but when I press Connect, it communicates with my phone for half a second and then disconnects
[01:03] <Eq|work> this on the 64bit machine?
[01:03] <compwiz18> Eq|work, yeah.  On 32bit it works perfectly
[01:03] <wabiD> well i got vmware to boot to grub, and memtest86+ boots just fine
[01:03] <Eq|work> hm
[01:04] <wabiD> i wonder if i can get rid of checkdisk and get vista to boot
[01:04] <Eq|work> interesting.
[01:04] <Eq|work> checked to see if there are any relevant bugreports?
[01:04] <wabiD> lemsx1, from how it looks right now, this is still a plausible solution
[01:05] <wabiD> when i ran vista in safemode it loaded all the files until checkdisk and then bluescreened
[01:06] <wabiD> now its attempting to boot gutsy from gutsy
[01:06] <wabiD> this could cause some damage
[01:06] <Eq|work> just a bit, yeah
[01:06] <wabiD> its going super slow
[01:07] <Eq|work> fista'll probably have the same issues as xp
[01:07] <wabiD> im suprised how well compiz plays with vmware
[01:07] <Eq|work> differing ide controllers == fark off.
[01:07] <lemsx1> wabiD: you can take a Linux disk from a system and put it in another system and Linux will work
[01:08] <lemsx1> wabiD: you cannot do that with windows
[01:08] <wabiD> yea but im IN gutsy right now
[01:08] <wabiD> and im trying to boot the same partition within vmware
[01:08] <lemsx1> wabiD: that doesn't surprise me
[01:08] <wabiD> and its working
[01:08] <lemsx1> wabiD: if you get vista to work, that will surprise me. keep trying
[01:09] <wabiD> im gonna rename crcdsk and see what happens
[01:09] <lemsx1> wabiD: jeje!
[01:09] <Eq|work> probably won't boot at all
[01:09] <wabiD> eh
[01:09] <Eq|work> he missed the h :P
[01:09] <wabiD> no thats spanish
[01:09] <wabiD> whats weird is that i told it NEVER to run crcdisk from the registry
[01:09] <lemsx1> wabiD: see. Linux is an advanced operating system. vista is ... old technology :-P
[01:09] <wabiD> yea but i cant watch videos on abc.com with linux
[01:10] <wabiD> or my xbox :/
[01:10] <wabiD> id argue linux is older :)
[01:10] <lemsx1> wabiD: there is always a way to watch videos
[01:10] <Eq|work> wabiD : you can actually..
[01:10] <lemsx1> wabiD: you mean because of DRM?
[01:10] <wabiD> kinda
[01:10] <lemsx1> wabiD: or because of missing stuff?
[01:10] <wabiD> you need to install their firefox plugin
[01:11] <wabiD> i changed my useragent
[01:11] <wabiD> and the .xpi still fails to install
[01:11] <lemsx1> wabiD: of course it fails
[01:11] <wabiD> meh its using flash to play the videos im pretty sure
[01:11] <wabiD> i could try downloading the .xpi and editing it
[01:11] <wabiD> but i figured i could try to get vista to boot
[01:11] <lemsx1> wabiD: that's like running setup.exe from the Office CD and expecting it to work (assuming that you don't have wine installed)
[01:12] <wabiD> why .xpi should be universal for firefos
[01:12] <lemsx1> wabiD: .xpi might be. but whatever stuff it depends on are probably meant for windows only (activex and whatever)
[01:13] <lemsx1> wabiD: in any case, what's on abc.com that's not in some other site? and why can't you just install vmware and use it the "right" way
[01:13] <wabiD> the activex controller is ie only
[01:13] <wabiD> cuz it works on a mac
[01:13] <wabiD> cuz i still want to be able to dual boot
[01:13] <lemsx1> wabiD: sure. leave /dev/sda1 as vista. and use vmware inside linux o create another installation of vista
[01:13] <peter77> I've changed the background solid colour to blue and the log in colour to blue.
[01:13] <lemsx1> wabiD: storage is cheap!
[01:14] <wabiD> yea and im full
[01:14] <lemsx1> wabiD: wait until Best Buy opens and buy a new drive
[01:14] <wabiD> i have 2 120 gigs full, my xbox has 920 gigs full, and vista is 80 gigs full
[01:14] <peter77> But right about where the splash screen use to appear the background changes back to that awful beige
[01:14] <peter77> how do I change that background colour to blue as well please?
[01:14] <tapas> hi
[01:16] <wabiD> does search work on ntfs partitions
[01:16] <timstokman> could someone help me connect to my university network? i have a working network card .g which can connect to wpa2 personal networks, but my university has a wpa enterprise with ttls pap to which i cant connect
[01:17] <tapas> it seems the libasound2 shipped with gutsy is broken..
[01:17] <timstokman> could anyone here help me with that?
[01:17] <tapas> when i compile the jack pcm plugin from the original alsa-plugins source against it, it won't work..
[01:17] <lemsx1> timstokman: ouch... i've never done that one...
[01:17] <peter77> I think this is an xbox room
[01:17] <tapas> [not only does ubuntu not ship this plugin, now it's also impossible to use it when built from sources] 
[01:18] <tapas> aplay: set_params:900: Sample format non available
[01:18] <lemsx1> tapas: but gutsy is not out yet ;-)
[01:18] <peter77> sorry for straying off topic, I'll stick to xbox questions!
[01:18] <tapas> this used to work great on feisty :)
[01:18] <tapas> so i wonder: whatcan i do about it
[01:18] <timstokman> i hate to use vista for an internet connection here :(
[01:18] <tapas> lemsx1: yeah, that's why i would eb glad if this were fixed before release
[01:18] <lemsx1> timstokman: google no good?
[01:18] <timstokman> nope
[01:18] <timstokman> main problem is wpa_supplicant.conf
[01:19] <lemsx1> tapas: did you check launchpad's bugs?
[01:19] <peter77> tim have you tried to talk to your universities sys admins?
[01:19] <timstokman> which isnt there
[01:19] <lemsx1> tapas: file one quickly ;-)
[01:19] <timstokman> peter77: they dont support linux
[01:19] <tapas> lemsx1: sure will do. i supposed i asked if maybe here someone knew a solutoion already
[01:19] <peter77> is that what they said?
[01:19] <timstokman> yes, thats their official policy
[01:19] <peter77> so what do they support?
[01:20] <timstokman> vista, xp, mac
[01:20] <peter77> that's bullshit, my uni supports linux
[01:20] <peter77> is it because the admins don't know how to use linux?
[01:20] <timstokman> it isnt something i can change
[01:20] <peter77> it is
[01:21] <Starcraftmazter> well I must sat, the workplaces are as inconsistant as quantum mechanics
[01:21] <Starcraftmazter> say*
[01:21] <tapas> in the bug report thingy, where can i specify that this is wrt gutsy?
[01:21] <peter77> complain to hell and help them recognise people use linux
[01:22] <timstokman> ill try that, but first i want to get on the network :)
[01:22] <timstokman> i have vista on my laptop but i hate it
[01:22] <Starcraftmazter> does anyone have problems with switching to first workspace from any other, taking about 10 seconds
[01:22] <peter77> yeah, I got one with XP on
[01:23] <peter77> did you say they use wpa enterpirse?
[01:23] <timstokman> yes
[01:23] <timstokman> with ttls
[01:23] <GNine> my puter's xserver works with NV stated in the xorg.conf .  does compiz require the entry NVidia?
[01:23] <peter77> have you been through the network configuration and tried setting it up to WPA Enterpirse>
[01:23] <peter77> ?
[01:24] <timstokman> first i got a popup prompt where wpa enterprise was an option
[01:24] <timstokman> but after trying that several times i couldnt log in with that
[01:24] <timstokman> tryed several options, but couldnt get in
[01:24] <peter77> did you try to get it working on feisty with no luck?
[01:25] <timstokman> new laptop, so i installed gutsy from start
[01:25] <peter77> ahh I see
[01:25] <timstokman> wifi driver seems to work fine otherwise
[01:25] <tapas> there once was a tool called chkinstall or soemthing.. does this still exist in ubuntu?
[01:25] <timstokman> i can get on my home network
[01:26] <timstokman> which has wpa 2 personal .g
[01:26] <peter77> I wouldn't recommend going to beta streight away as you won't know if anything has been broken since the previous stable release
[01:26] <GNine> the beta works fine
[01:26] <timstokman> new hardware
[01:27] <timstokman> i figured the newest kernel had a better change
[01:27] <peter77> yes but Linux distros have a habbit of behaving better with different comps than others
[01:27] <fraco> does anyone else have compiz popping full-screen games out to windowed mode?
[01:28] <lemsx1> fraco: yep
[01:28] <Starcraftmazter> what kind of games
[01:28] <GNine> i just got it today. no issues.. except that i had to reconfigure my xserver . but that was easy.   the only problem is that i cant get compiz to work.  but so it happend on feisty as well
[01:28] <peter77> tim does your uni have a specialist computing school?
[01:28] <lemsx1> fraco: like frozen-bubble right?
[01:28] <fraco> well, I have it with urbanterror
[01:28] <wabiD> just for the record, booting ubuntu from within itself is a bad idea
[01:28] <Starcraftmazter> [21:28:37]  <wabiD> just for the record, booting ubuntu from within itself is a bad idea
[01:28] <Starcraftmazter> LOL
[01:28] <fraco> its playing fullscreen and then after 10 minutes pops out of full screen.
[01:28] <lemsx1> wabiD: jeje!. of course
[01:29] <fraco> alt-enter or alt-tab or no keys/mouse seem to respond any more
[01:29] <fraco> have to restart X
[01:29] <lemsx1> wabiD: data corruption is imminent ;-)
[01:29] <wabiD> the hard drive went nuts and wouldnt boot
[01:29] <wabiD> yea i recovered it all already
[01:29] <mon^rch> fraco: turn off your screensaver while playing games
[01:29] <mon^rch> ;)
[01:29] <fraco> i turn off compiz
[01:29] <lemsx1> wabiD: the good thing about using an advanced os... :-P
[01:29] <fraco> it helps too
[01:30] <wabiD> eh a journaling file system you mean
[01:30] <wabiD> ntfs would have been fixable too
[01:30] <lemsx1> mon^rch: ah... good to know
[01:30] <GNine> is there any other way to call compiz other than terminal?
[01:30] <timstokman> peter77: yeah, my faculty
[01:30] <wabiD> gksu compiz ?
[01:30] <rocky> anyone know if gutsy is planning to include any integration between Tracker and Tomboy ? seems like a bit of step backwards (functionality-wise) to use Tracker instead of Beagle
[01:30] <fraco> GNine: in gutsy there is System->Preferences ->Appearance->Effects
[01:30] <fraco> enables compiz
[01:30] <peter77> ahh and they said they don't support linux, I see hmm
[01:31] <timstokman> peter77: we even run solaris here as desktop :p
[01:31] <lemsx1> GNine: ALT+F2 compiz is another ;-)
[01:31] <GNine> i assume you mean gutsy on gnome , fraco
[01:31] <fraco> yes
[01:31] <peter77> yeah we do at the uni I'm at as well
[01:31] <timstokman> and debian
[01:31] <fraco> but i tried kde and it had something similar
[01:31] <GNine> i got Xubuntu
[01:31] <wabiD> i thought beagle development slowed down
[01:31] <fraco> dang
[01:31] <fraco> :-D
[01:32] <wabiD> yea after using xfce and gnome for a while, ill never go back to kde
[01:32] <GNine> i got the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings.. but i dont see an option to activate compiz in there
[01:32] <wabiD> thats not to enable it
[01:33] <fraco> no its not in there no
[01:33] <fraco> its in appearance
[01:33] <fraco> but i suppose thats a gnome thing
[01:33] <wabiD> hes using xfce, not gnome
[01:33] <wabiD> yea its not in the gui afaik
[01:33] <GNine> yah..
[01:33] <wabiD> youre going to have to tell it to run on boot somehow
[01:33] <mon^rch> or alt+f2 and compiz -replace
[01:34] <mon^rch> --replace
[01:34] <wabiD> im guessing he wants it every time he boots though
[01:34] <GNine> yup, mon^rch , i run that one from terminal..
[01:34] <tapas> wabiD: xfce leaks massive amounts of memory on my box
[01:34] <GNine> but alt-f2 would run it .. in user?
[01:34] <wabiD> if you do it from alt f2 you wont have a rogue terminal open
[01:34] <mon^rch> sould
[01:34] <tapas> wabiD: leave it running for a day and your OOM killer will do nasty things ;)
[01:34] <wabiD> do gksu compiz --replace then
[01:34] <GNine> i c
[01:35] <wabiD> or is that a gnome thinger too
[01:35] <GNine> but i still have a xgl error..   :(
[01:35] <GNine> after running the command
[01:38] <compwiz18> Eq|work, I looked for relevant bug reports but none that I can find match my bluetooth issue
[01:38] <GNine> tells me the xgl is not found.  and something about not having a whitelist ..
[01:38] <peter77> how do I change the colour of the background where the gnome splash screen use to appear?
[01:39] <GNine> last time i ran it . it crashed my system after 2 minutes
[01:39] <GNine> had to fix xorg with that too..   :-/
[01:45] <gomoran2> Hello, I have a kubuntu, gutsy, xrandr, i810 rotation-problem.
[01:46] <_dan_> hello, since gutsy upgrade i got 2 times "Desktop" entry in my places menu, how can i get rid of one of those?
[01:46] <gomoran2> rotation works halfway, the display is rotated but keeps size, so I get the left 768x768 of my screen on the top.
[01:53] <compwiz18> Can someone walk me through establishing a bluetooth connection via the command line?
[01:54] <lemsx1> wabiD: are you running compiz as root? why would you say: gksu compiz --replace ?
[02:01] <tapas> i guess i found the bug in the libasound2 package.. this is a regression.. there needs to be one != made = in configure.in..
[02:02] <tapas> is there a quick howto on how to replace a package with the corresponding source package where i could fix the bug?
[02:04] <kyja> hello, I have an interesting problem. I just moved gutsy off from a 22 GB partition onto a 92.14 GB partition. gparted now reports it is 44.01 GB system with 48.13 GB free. properties on the drive stated its 23.2 GB os with only 45.3 GB free total capacity 68.5 GB so question is where is 23.64 GB of free space. I could not have lost that much due to clusters could I?
[02:04] <tapas> i guess installing to /usr/local/ might help [and tweaking LD_LIBRARY_PATH] 
[02:15] <tapas> debian has a fixed libasound2 package.. noted in the bugreport
[02:33] <GNine> 44.01 + 48.13 = 92.14  &  23.64 + 68.5 = 92.14    coincidence?
[02:33] <Starcraftmazter> whats that?
[02:34] <GNine> Starcraftmazter, read kyja , above
[02:37] <lemsx1> kyja: did you use dd to copy from one partition to another?
[02:37] <kyja> I used gparted actualy
[02:38] <lemsx1> kyja: perhaps gparted uses some form of dd to do that...
[02:38] <kyja> yeah it might have.
[02:40] <kyja> it inflated twice in size. but the partition it lives on went from 22 GB to 92 GB so. I can see cluster differences might be an issue. perhaps I am paranoid.
[02:40] <lemsx1> kyja: i'm guessing that the partition wasn't calculated correctly in your partition map. but, if you are just moving from the same drive, then, that probably doesn't make sense...
[02:40] <GNine> i dont think your missing anything. you're just miscalculating gigs
[02:40] <kyja> yeah same drive.
[02:40] <GNine> human error
[02:40] <lemsx1> that could be true. what GNine says
[02:41] <lemsx1> TPIBKAC ?
[02:41] <kyja> I moved from sda3 to sda1 then formated sda1 and joined it.
[02:41] <kyja> yeah perhaps.
[02:42] <lemsx1> kyja: fancy.... did you move what was in sda3 back to the first cylinder of what's now /dev/sda1?
[02:42] <lemsx1> kyja: i dunno how that works actually... i'm just trying to be helpful by throwing ideas to the air
[02:42] <lemsx1> jeje!
[02:42] <lemsx1> kyja: i know that you can join later partitions to previous ones, but not the way you did it
[02:42] <kyja> errr but the propertied info believes its only a 68 gig drive. gparted says I have 92. it is 100 gb
[02:43] <lemsx1> kyja: that's after hard booting the system? perhaps is your BIOS playing tricks on you?
[02:43] <GNine> are you counting your swap partition
[02:43] <kyja> lemsx1, yes I copied sda3 to sda1 then deleted sda3 and joined them for one partition
[02:44] <kyja> it refuesed to join them in reverse.. could not put sda1 into sda3 so I had to swap places.
[02:45] <kyja> otherwise I would have just joind them without copy. but it refused.
[02:45] <kyja> hehe well, idk.
[02:47] <kyja> how can I invoke fschk on next restart?
[02:47] <DoYouKnow> it's in fstab
[02:47] <DoYouKnow> I think
[02:47] <kyja> k
[02:49] <mitchells00> hi...
[02:49] <DoYouKnow> hi mitchells00
[02:50] <bazhang> hi all
[02:51] <mitchells00> i know the topic says *don't* run gusty if i'm not familliar with bugfixing, dpkg & dependencies etc.. but my ISP's mirror didn't mention anywhere it's in beta.. so now i'm stuck with it...
[02:51] <GNine> dont do anything crazy.  you'll be fine for most computing needs
[02:52] <mitchells00> i'm not completely clueless.. i can get around (somewhat) in terminal and i can follow instructions...
[02:52] <mitchells00> BUt i've run into a brick wall
[02:52] <mitchells00> i looked on forums and googled it
[02:52] <bazhang> mitchells00: I feel like it's more stable than feisty; faster and more features, the list goes on..
[02:52] <mitchells00> but i can't seem to detect my mobo's onboard lan...
[02:53] <bazhang> are you on it now?
[02:53] <mitchells00> bazhang i've already installed it (with alot of work)
[02:53] <mitchells00> i'm sitting next to it
[02:54] <mitchells00> but not using it atm
[02:54] <bazhang> mitchells00: what was so tough?
[02:54] <mitchells00> 2 things
[02:54] <bazhang> mmm-hmm
[02:54] <mitchells00> i can't get ANYTHING to detect my lan...
[02:55] <mitchells00> and i can't live with the vesa video drivers anymore...
[02:55] <GNine> sorry to hear that.. never had a single problem ever connecting to the internet
[02:55] <Pici> mitchells00: Does it show up in lspci?
[02:55] <mitchells00> yeah... as unknown device
[02:55] <bazhang> mitchells00: what video card?
[02:55] <GNine> specially coming from onboard lan
[02:55] <mitchells00> Nvidia 8800 GT
[02:56] <mitchells00> 256 onboard and 256 hyper memory or w/e it is :P
[02:56] <mitchells00> i've never had a problem with it either..
[02:56] <mitchells00> same lan port, and older (like years ago old) distro of ubuntu ran fine
[02:57] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, hmmm... have you tried searching google for help on setting it up?
[02:57] <mitchells00> as did slackware and slax, mandrake, etc
[02:57] <mitchells00> i have and i found nothing..
[02:57] <DoYouKnow> lately I have been using google a lot for finding linux information
[02:57] <DoYouKnow> and it seems to help
[02:58] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, this is just a guess, but maybe you have some kind of IRQ problem
[02:58] <DoYouKnow> look into that
[02:58] <kyja> get this !!. I go to back up my Video directory that properties reports is 3.9 Gb. dragging the folder to k3b it said it was 7.8 GB or something like that. I drag each file into k3b instead and its the right size. I checked for invisibles in folder there are none.
[02:58] <DoYouKnow> maybe one device is being detected and its blocking another device
[02:59] <GNine> or your lan needs a driver update.. but then again you just upgrade.  obscure
[02:59] <kyja> I have a feeling it is picking up the old file structure that was not zeroed on format.
[03:00] <mitchells00> why did i have to give away my spare lan card :/
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, some network cards used to have IRQ configuration as a seperate downloadable utility
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> not sure if they're still doing that
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> look into that too
[03:01] <Starcraftmazter> damnit whats the hotkey for negative in compiz
[03:01] <DoYouKnow> I am thinking of old 3coms
[03:02] <mitchells00> 2nd problem... the video... i had that error when X tryed to start where it says that no screen is found... so i went into /ext/X11/xorg.conf and changed Driver "nv" to "vesa"
[03:03] <mitchells00> and now the performance of anything visual is... shocking
[03:03] <mitchells00> windows cut up when i drag them
[03:03] <mitchells00> and causes huge lag..
[03:04] <mooper> Hi, Im having problems with usb sticks and cd's
[03:04] <[Wiebel] > don't use them then :)
[03:04] <mooper> They are taking ages or just not automounting :(
[03:04] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, why are you using visa?
[03:04] <mooper> hur hur
[03:04] <DoYouKnow> vesa
[03:04] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, try the standard vga driver
[03:04] <mitchells00> i did
[03:04] <mitchells00> wait
[03:04] <mitchells00> what is it..?
[03:05] <mitchells00> i just read on a forum that vesa solved that problem..
[03:05] <DoYouKnow> try vga
[03:05] <mitchells00> hmm.. i'll try it..
[03:05] <kyja> ahhh to do a fschk then >sudo shutdown -rF now
[03:05] <GNine> sounds like your whole system is nothing short of .. b0rked.  mitchells00 ..
[03:06] <mitchells00> well it works fine with every other OS i've thrown at it..
[03:06] <mitchells00> including *shudders* vista
[03:07] <GNine> the only "issue" i have is compiz.. which is not really an issue.  more like a hobby i need to work on
[03:08] <bazhang> Starcraftmazter: super +N for window, super +M for whole desktop
[03:09] <DoYouKnow> yeah, I am using 7.04 feisty and notice the fglrx + Xgl + compiz-fusion + extra plugins + unsupported plugins is sort of slow with the defaults
[03:10] <DoYouKnow> Xgl not supporting direct rendering is my prime culprit
[03:10] <mooper> Can anyone give me any ideas why my usb stick isnt automounting?
[03:11] <mitchells00> because it doesen't like you...?
[03:11] <mitchells00> iuno
[03:11] <GNine> zing!  that my problem right there , DoYouKnow
[03:11] <Filthpig> hey
[03:11] <mooper> mitchells00, I was sleeping wit its mother
[03:11] <mitchells00> i've never had good luck with flash drives and linux
[03:11] <mitchells00> .... EVER
[03:11] <mitchells00> :/
[03:11] <penguincentral_> how do i install the apache web server
[03:11] <GNine> actually .. xgl is not registering .. i thought i had all the toys in line tho
[03:12] <mooper> :/ it works on my laptop but not on my bloody desktop
[03:12] <mooper> GAH
[03:12] <Filthpig> Over at the appearances section I can select various ways to use compiz fusion, but how can I edit stuff if I select custom? there is nothing to lead me to a customizing section there :/
[03:12] <kyja> vista... isn't that a work they use for a piece of property that has better views so you can be more over taxed on something thats useless other than to look at?
[03:12] <mitchells00> this might seem like a stupid question.. but how do you close x?
[03:12] <mitchells00> :P
[03:13] <mitchells00> i'm in alt+ctrl+F1...
[03:13] <minimec> mitchells00: sudo killall gdm
[03:13] <Filthpig> close to run with console only, or simply restart x?
[03:13] <mitchells00> console only..
[03:13] <mitchells00> i'm not THAT dumb..
[03:13] <Filthpig> see minimac, then :)
[03:13] <Filthpig> minimec, sorry
[03:14] <mitchells00> hahaha :)
[03:14] <penguincentral_> how do i install the apache web server?
[03:14] <mitchells00> have you read the instructions?
[03:14] <minimec> penguincentral_: sudo aptitude install apache2
[03:15] <bazhang> Filthpig: you have to download the compizconfig settings manager, then you can customize.
[03:15] <mitchells00> erm.. i did sudo killall gdm
[03:15] <mitchells00> now nothing's working
[03:15] <penguincentral_> thanks minimec
[03:15] <mitchells00> not even console..
[03:15] <mitchells00> i can type
[03:15] <mitchells00> and press enter
[03:15] <mitchells00> but nothing happens
[03:15] <minimec> mitchells00: now you can restart it with sudo gdm && exit
[03:15] <bazhang> mitchells00: is it a dual boot?
[03:15] <mitchells00> triboot actually :P
[03:16] <bazhang> vista xp and gutsy?
[03:16] <Pensacola> is it possible to change the default file manager from dolphin to konqueror in kubuntu gutsy?
[03:16] <mitchells00> yep :P
[03:16] <mitchells00> i have to have vista to learn it...
[03:16] <mitchells00> to fix people computers
[03:16] <mitchells00> when they (supidly) upgrade.....
[03:16] <Filthpig> bazhang: shouldn't that be included since the custom-option is there?
[03:17] <bazhang> Filthpig: is it already installed?
[03:17] <Filthpig> guess not
[03:18] <bazhang> there you go.
[03:19] <Filthpig> I just wonder why they haven't included it
[03:19] <Filthpig> or made some option to download it
[03:19] <bazhang> Filthpig: probably because it's stable just as is--without it.
[03:20] <Filthpig> i.e. clicking "custom" will notify you that the custimization tool is not present and do you want to download it
[03:21] <mitchells00> nope if i have driver "vga" i get "failed to start the X server bla bla bla Fatal server error: no screens found"
[03:21] <bazhang> Filthpig: you should choose to get it.
[03:21] <mitchells00> so vesa looks like my only option... unless nvidia released working GT drivers for linux...
[03:22] <minimec> mitchells00: what card do you have?
[03:22] <mitchells00> Nvidia 8500 GT
[03:22] <penguincentral_> nice
[03:22] <mitchells00> :P
[03:22] <Filthpig> bazhang: it's not even available from the repos o0
[03:22] <LjL> Pensacola: right click on any directory, select Open With, select Other, type 'konqueror', tick "Remember"
[03:23] <Pensacola> thx
[03:23] <minimec> mitchells00: don't they work with the nvidia-new driver?
[03:23] <mitchells00> i haven't tryed...
[03:23] <mitchells00> i didn't know :P
[03:23] <bazhang> Filthpig: sure it is; just hit update on Synaptic (Ubuntu, right?).
[03:23] <GNine> i got nvidia and i got nv set up at xorg.   i even updated to the restricted drivers with gutsy
[03:23] <mitchells00> i'll try them now.. (when x decides to crash :P)
[03:23] <bazhang> mitchells00: have you tried Envy?
[03:24] <Filthpig> ubuntu, yeah
[03:24] <GNine> !envy
[03:24] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[03:24] <GNine> i havent used it.
[03:24] <bazhang> just a suggestion...
[03:24] <minimec> mitchells00: If not, I agree with you that vesa is your only opinion. But I think the nvidia-new driver will do for you. Use the restricted driver.
[03:24] <Filthpig> if I search for compiz it only shows som "MacSlow's Cairo Clock"-stuff
[03:24] <mitchells00> O.O
[03:24] <minimec> mitchells00: optioin not opinion ;)
[03:24] <bazhang> Filthpig: get updates or fetch updates, then apply changes, then it should be there
[03:25] <mitchells00> cd /ext/X11/ << no suck file or directory :D
[03:25] <mitchells00> *:O
[03:25] <mitchells00> whoops
[03:25] <mitchells00> ext - etc
[03:25] <mitchells00> xD
[03:25] <penguincentral_> minimec: i have installed apache2, now how do i set it up?
[03:25] <GNine> you need to take a break
[03:26] <Starcraftmazter> anyone else having problems of windows not displaying when they should (ie being hidden) and being in unviewable parts of the screen, etc
[03:26] <GNine> walk outside , greet your neighbors ..
[03:26] <minimec> penguincentral_: Open a browser and type 127.0.0.1 or localhost in it. You should see the apache-default homepage of your server.
[03:26] <mitchells00> nvidia new module doesen't exist..
[03:26] <penguincentral_> ok
[03:27] <Filthpig> bazhang: there is no such button there
[03:27] <minimec> penguincentral_: In fact. Your apache is installed and working!
[03:27] <Filthpig> only search bar
[03:27] <DoYouKnow> mitchells00, I think he was saying you need to apt-get it
[03:27] <GNine> check synaptic for all your packages needs
[03:27] <mitchells00> ..
[03:27] <penguincentral_> yeah, i know that
[03:27] <Filthpig> I guess it updates automatically
[03:27] <mitchells00> first i need to get my lan card working..
[03:27] <penguincentral_> but how do i manually configure it?
[03:27] <mitchells00> -_-;;;;;;;;
[03:27] <bazhang> Filthpig: you have synaptic, right?
[03:27] <GNine> its like the checkout at the airport
[03:27] <penguincentral_> minimec: how do i manually configure it
[03:28] <Filthpig> I use the Add/Remove Applications-tool in Ubuntu
[03:28] <bazhang> best to use synaptic
[03:28] <GNine> synaptic is more comprehensive
[03:28] <bazhang> Filthpig: have you used the terminal?
[03:28] <Filthpig> yeah, I find it through terminal
[03:28] <Filthpig> hm
[03:29] <penguincentral_> minimec: when you click on the apache2 folder in web browser, it throws up a page saying: It works!
[03:29] <bazhang> Filthpig: it's actually quicker and easier...
[03:29] <mitchells00> ok since my video isn't THAT high priority.. it works... sort of... can we try for my lan card...?
[03:29] <mitchells00> i'll get the mobo box out
[03:30] <minimec> penguincentral_: I think the files are in /etc/apache. If you want to set your own homepage, put the folder in /var/www/ and set the index.html
[03:31] <pvandewyngaerde> torcs is crashing here
[03:31] <mitchells00> ok i can't find it i'll look on the website.. and if anyone wants to help it's a Gigabyte 9653-SP
[03:31] <pvandewyngaerde> Segmentationfault
[03:31] <penguincentral_> minimec: correction, /etc/apache2
[03:31] <minimec> penguincentral_: THX ;)
[03:31] <penguincentral_> minimec: that's ok
[03:31] <mitchells00> 8965p-s3
[03:31] <penguincentral_> :)
[03:31] <mitchells00> omg
[03:31] <mitchells00> 965P-S3
[03:31] <mitchells00> that's it!
[03:31] <mitchells00> i can't type -_-;;
[03:32] <penguincentral_> minimec: so the only stuff that an outside computer can access is the content in /var/www?
[03:33] <minimec> penguincentral_: normally yes. It could even be, that access is limited to localhost in the default configuration. I am not sure of that anymore.
[03:34] <mitchells00> bingo
[03:34] <mitchells00> it's a Marvell 8056 Gigabit LAN Controller
[03:34] <penguincentral_> minimec: the idea was that i use apache, ssh to push files onto another server
[03:34] <mitchells00> anyone know if ubuntu doesen't like? :P
[03:34] <bazhang> Filthpig: you all set?
[03:35] <Filthpig> there we go
[03:35] <Filthpig> yeah, thanks
[03:35] <Filthpig> (would really be easier if they only added a button;)
[03:35] <bazhang> Filthpig: in the future, you might want to try the terminal.
[03:35] <penguincentral_> minimec: if i type in my ip address on another computer, would i be able to access /var/www?
[03:35] <Filthpig> bazhang: no worries, I'm quite comfortable using the terminal
[03:36] <Filthpig> been using ubuntu for some time now, so it's not a problem
[03:36] <bazhang> Filthpig: command is "sudo apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade; if you are searching, then it is sudo apt-cache search filename
[03:36] <minimec> penguincentral_: Well if the other computer has a server running and you try to access it with http:// ... yes, but read only.
[03:37] <Filthpig> bazhang: I knoow :)
[03:37] <Filthpig> I've been using ubuntu since hoary, I think
[03:37] <Filthpig> and several other debian based distros (and other)
[03:38] <penguincentral_> minimec: that's fine
[03:38] <minimec> penguincentral_: You don't need apache to move some files around!
[03:38] <Filthpig> so I know about using apt, dpkg etc
[03:38] <penguincentral_> minimec: long story
[03:38] <penguincentral_> very long story
[03:38] <penguincentral_> very very long story
[03:41] <penguincentral_> thanks minimec
[03:41] <ajv> Hi all, has anyone had any luck getting the ati Radeon mobility x1600 working. I installed the proper driver but video playback and any 3d stuff is very slow. Any Ideas ?
[03:43] <penguincentral_> nope
[03:46] <minimec> ajv: There will be a new property driver from ATI in about two weeks. Your problem will be over then.
[03:46] <mitchells00> so does anyone know what i should do about my eth port?
[03:46] <minimec> ajv: The new driver will support aiglx.
[03:46] <pvandewyngaerde> i cant play torcs, it crashes
[03:46] <mitchells00> it's a Marvell 8056 Gigabit LAN Controller just do you know.....
[03:47] <mitchells00> *so
[03:47] <minimec> mitchells00: so what about your network device?
[03:47] <bazhang> Filthpig: ok. cheers!
[03:48] <Filthpig> cheers mate
[03:48] <mitchells00> whoops :P
[03:49] <mitchells00> lspci returns: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown Device 4364 (rev 14)
[03:50] <mitchells00> and lspci -n 04:00.0 0200: 11ab:4364 (rev 14)
[03:51] <minimec> mitchells00: what does iwconfig say?
[03:51] <mitchells00> doesen't show it
[03:51] <mitchells00> only wlan0 and wmaster0
[03:51] <mitchells00> :/
[03:52] <pixl> i have this annoying problem that dialogs pop up at the top left corner of the screen with titlebar inaccessable :S Im on xfce with compiz
[03:52] <minimec> mitchells00: So if there is a linux driver you will have to compile it manually, as it seems Ubuntu does not recognise it.
[03:52] <mitchells00> .......
[03:52] <mitchells00> and how would one do such a thing...? :P
[03:53] <mitchells00> if it was windows i can rip out and force in drivers... but linux is a little new to me hehe...
[03:54] <minimec> mitchells00: First try to find some information about a possible linux driver for your card. Then look in the Ubuntuforums... Maybe you find something.
[03:55] <minimec> mitchells00: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=549244
[03:55] <kRush> pixl, guess you can force them anywhere with place or window rules plugin
[03:55] <mitchells00> i'm seriously thinking that it might be a biiit easier if i just stick to ubuntu in VMware under XP........
[03:56] <mitchells00> i saw that link
[03:56] <mitchells00> i read it
[03:56] <mitchells00> didn't understand a thing :P
[03:59] <minimec> mitchells00: Looks that there is a dirver for your card and that with a little tuning you can get it to work.
[04:01] <minimec> mitchells00: try to do a sudo modprobe sky2
[04:03] <minimec> mitchells00: http://mwolf.net/archive/ubuntu-on-vaio/ <ctrl>f Unexpectedly, the biggest problem is the network card
[04:04] <minimec> mitchells00: The sky2 driver for you card is part of the ubuntu kernel. You just have to configure it right.
[04:08] <TheInfinity> mitchells00: you have a mac book pro?
[04:15] <ajv> thanks minimec, will it sort beryl out ?
[04:16] <minimec-afk> ajv: No beryl anymore. ;) Compiz-Fusion...
[04:16] <penguincentral_> minimec-afk: compiz fusion is good
[04:17] <ajv> my bad
[04:18] <minimec-afk> penguincentral_: compiz-fusion works perfectly here too
[04:19] <penguincentral_> minimec-afk: yeah. did you change your nick?
[04:20] <minimec-afk> penguincentral_: I was off the keyboard for a moment.
[04:20] <penguincentral_> ok
[04:22] <peter77> is there a fix or work around to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/140821
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140821 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Can not change default GNOME splash background color" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:26] <wfarr> Does anyone know of a way to pull Podcasts in the ITMS
[04:38] <MTecknology> I definitely learned a lesson about trusting vista to not destroy files
[04:38] <BioPod> so, just how stable is kubutnu beta really is?
[04:39] <TheInfinity> its beta.
[04:39] <Jaymac> it works, but expect things to break
[04:39] <TheInfinity> most things work, some do not.
[04:39] <MTecknology> I have firefox restored mostly - the only think i'm missing now is the passwords
[04:39] <MTecknology> only thing**
[04:41] <BioPod> anyone knows how it deals with the RT61 wifi chipset?
[04:41] <robertj> hey all, whats the default expo key?
[04:43] <Jaymac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=486010&highlight=rt61
[04:47] <kyja> my problem of drive size cured using>resize2fs /dev/hda1
[04:47] <kyja> I now have 70 gigs free space instead of 50
[04:48] <Jaymac> robertj, Super+E
[04:48] <Jaymac> Super is likely to be the Windows key on your keyboard, unless you mapped it to something else
[04:48] <kyja> yes it is
[04:50] <kyja> however it does not seem to be able to be mapped as a modifier key. ie like shift
[04:50] <kyja> it stands alone and is an anoying single map key being beside the space bar
[04:55] <robertj> hrmm, resume still not working with non-free nvidia?
[05:01] <Reaby> any clue how to enable scandinavian keyboard / characters in wine apps ?
[05:10] <fulat2k> hi folks, i've installed ndiswrapper for my rt2500 based wifi stick.  from /var/log/messages, i can see that ndiswrapper module is loaded properly and even lists down the supported encryption type.  however, even though the interface is up, i can't get connected.  any ideas?
[05:14] <kyja> its been alot of work but I have beta working realy nicely now.
[05:15] <kyja> I have to use ati restricted drivers or I will over clock. and I had to change options for audio including swapping gstreamer movie player for xine back end for same over clocking reason.
[05:16] <NightBird> kyja: yeah.... I had to fight with it a bit myself as well.... it's mostly up and working though... though I haven't tried any of the media software, so I don't even know if all of that is working fine...
[05:16] <kyja> now it purrs. and I fixed my bloated problem with resize2fs. I realy am liking this version
[05:17] <kyja> its prommising
[05:18] <kyja> ugg that sounds awful
[05:18] <kyja> well I have it so os pretty much idles on most things now.
[05:18] <NightBird> kyja: yeah... I had to boot into windows, download ndiswrapper, boot back into kubuntu, compile and install ndiswrapper... then it worked
[05:19] <kyja> oh gosh thats awful
[05:19] <NightBird> anyways..... I'm off to work, bye
[05:19] <kyja> have good day
[05:20] <dennda> after feisty to gutsy upgrade: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Cannot write to ressource.
[05:20] <dennda> any idea?
[05:21] <dennda> (the above error occurs when I click "test" on audio settings-dialog)
[05:21] <kyja> oh man that reminds me I was having errors. where mic was working but I was geting an error dialog. I got to recheck that
[05:22] <kyja> sound prefferences ?
[05:22] <dennda> yes
[05:22] <kyja> I had to select also all the way down
[05:22] <dennda> dunno what it's called in english
[05:22] <kyja> alsa
[05:22] <robertj> does cheese use v4l1 or v4l2?
[05:23] <dennda> did that. very same problem
[05:23] <kyja> I typoed. it is Sound Preferences
[05:23] <kyja> hmm interesting
[05:23] <kyja> I only get an error on input test. but it works
[05:24] <dennda> err
[05:24] <dennda> i hope this is due to upgrading and not doing a fresh install...
[05:26] <kyja> I installed fresh edgy on a partition then upgraded it. then I had to copy it over to old partition after I got it set up and stuff transfered. then merged partitions. fixed grub with suer grub fixed an alocation bug with resize2fs
[05:26] <kyja> now I have a good system
[05:26] <dennda> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[05:27] <kyja> mm
[05:27] <kyja> idk but for giggles maybe open synaptic pachage manager and search >audio driver
[05:31] <dennda> err
[05:31] <dennda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/128585
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128585 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound with SAA7134 - pci id 1102:0005" [Medium,Triaged] 
[05:31] <dennda> this is it
[05:31] <dennda> triaged?
[05:32] <dennda> why triaged?
[05:38] <kyja> in my places menu I have to desktop items
[05:39] <kyja> err two
[05:42] <Lhademmor> Hello. Upgrading to Gutsy made Banshee break on my computer.. Anyone else experiencing the same?
[05:43] <dennda> bug report concerning the above mentioned sound problem filed
[05:43] <dennda> let's hope they are fast :)
[05:43] <Lhademmor> dennda, are you talking to me?
[05:44] <arnath> hi, im having trouble installing linux on a new computer with a 8600gts nvidia card in it (problem being that the screen goes blank once the live cd is loaded)
[05:44] <dennda> no
[05:44] <Lhademmor> dennda, ok :)
[05:44] <arnath> seeing as gutsy has better support for screens etc (or so i heard), would it do the trick?
[05:44] <jokerman009> how do i make X work?
[05:47] <llll-> hi, how do i enable sound? (i'm on 7.10, tried whatever i could find on the forums and nothing works)
[05:51] <Dr_willis> odd. My lower gnome panel does not appear (but there is space where it belongs) until i click on it.
[05:52] <DopplerDeffect> Dr_willis, I have the same problem with my top panel. I think it's due to compiz fusion since it does not occur when compiz is dissabled at startup
[05:52] <Jaymac> Is there a problem with Gutsy not automatically mounting NTFS partitions?  I tried adding a line to fstab and the volume disappears from Nautilus...
[05:53] <Jaymac> So every time I reboot I have to manually mount the volume....
[05:53] <DopplerDeffect> llll-, have you tried running alsaconf?
[05:55] <llll-> DopplerDeffect: not yet, how do i go abouts doing it?
[05:55] <DopplerDeffect> llll-, just open terminal and type alsaconf, you may have to sudo it
[05:56] <DopplerDeffect> llll-, scratch what i said, i think alsaconf was from slackware, it's not present in ubuntu i guess
[05:57] <llll-> DopplerDeffect: yes :(
[05:57] <Jaymac> alsamixer?
[05:57] <llll-> Jaymac: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:58] <Jaymac> I came in late, and am not exactly sure what your problem is?
[05:58] <Jaymac> but if you can't open alsamixer you certainly have a problem of some description
[05:58] <llll-> Jaymac: i'm unable to get my sound card to work
[05:59] <Jaymac> what is it?
[05:59] <puma> hi
[05:59] <llll-> sigmatel stac 92xx
[05:59] <puma> SCIM crashed
[06:00] <puma> gnome panel closed unexpectedly
[06:01] <Jaymac> llll do you not have any luck with the System>Preferences>Sound app?
[06:01] <puma> anybody helps?
[06:01] <lemsx1|away> puma: wait until Oct 18 :-P
[06:02] <Jaymac> Press Alt+F2 and type gnome-panel to get your panel back
[06:03] <llll-> audiotestsrc wave==sine freq=512 ! audioconvert !audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed. Please file a bug at...
[06:03] <puma> is it a bug?
[06:04] <puma> it happened only after installed compiz-zonfig
[06:04] <puma> so bad.
[06:05] <puma> each time i need type scim -d in terminal.
[06:06] <puma> restart ubuntu, it shows gnome-panel closed unexpectedly and no SCIM shows on top bar.
[06:17] <khatahn> how can i change the default file manager in kubuntu from dolphin to konqueror?
[06:18] <barduck>  Hi, does the 7.10 includes wubi with it and if not, is there a way to use wubi with 7.10 otherwise ?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> khatahn,  I see THAT as being a #1 Faq.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> khatahn,  and no i dont know how to do it. :)
[06:19] <khatahn> hehe, ok :)
[06:20] <Dr_willis> I see the Opposite asked in #kubuntu all the time.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> no answer to that one either heh.
[06:20] <rjek> Hi.  I'm trying to upgrade to the Gutsy beta to help test it out by launching update-manager -d
[06:21] <rjek> However, the "upgrade tool" it downloads dies, saying:
[06:21] <rjek> could not send the dbus Inhibit signal: global name 'dbus' is not defined
[06:21] <Dr_willis> I normally use that Places Applet. But darn thing opens Dolphin. So now i jsut use the Konqueror button.
[06:21] <rjek> With a Python backtrace following it.  Is this a known issue, or should I not be using the update-manager
[06:21] <rjek> ?
[06:25] <rjek> Alternatively, will just changing my apt sources to be gutsy and doing apt-get dist-upgrade work OK, or is there something specific that the update tool does?
[06:26] <Tuplanolla> rjek, yea, apt-getting with dist-upgrade is the same as update-manager
[06:26] <rjek> Tuplanolla: So what does this update tool do that it downloads?
[06:27] <rjek> (and fails to run)
[06:28] <Tuplanolla> rjek: i dunno, but if you can upgrade with apt-get (or aptitude) it's ok is it?
[06:29] <rjek> Well, I don't know.  I know it will "work", but I was wondering if there were some specific steps required to do it propely if the update manager has to download a special tool to do it.
[06:30] <Tuplanolla> no, it is fine to upgrade with apt-get, at least I did it :] 
[06:30] <Tuplanolla> and now I have a well working Gutsy.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> odd.. using vncviewer. and the 'enter password dialog box' pops up. but i CANT select/enter info in to it.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> anyone verify this befor i file a bugg?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> guess it may be a compiz issue also.
[06:31] <Tuplanolla> you could try to disable compiz for a while
[06:31] <Dr_willis> yea. can ya do that on the fly? :) lets see.. I think you CAN cant ya.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Wow. that worked.. This Not having to restart X - is.. amazing
[06:32] <Tuplanolla> yeah, ubuntu ftw
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Bingo.. works without compiz, but not with it...
[06:36] <rjek> I see that pointless bling is still implemented to the highest standards. :)
[06:38] <MrKeuner> hi, I have ubuntu studio installed on a box, can I just change the /etc/apt/sources for gutsy and do a dist-upgrade?
[06:38] <heman> Hello
[06:38] <heman> Is it worth me upgrading to 7.10?
[06:40] <heman> brb restarting comp
[06:40] <Lynoure> heman: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:41] <heman> ubuntu
[06:41] <Lynoure> heman: then I don't know... with kubuntu, would not do it yet if I were not me :)
[06:41] <heman> I looked at it all and it looks better
[06:42] <Lynoure> try the livecd, then decide?
[06:42] <heman> ok brb
[06:42] <Lynoure> For kubuntu there was some annoying bugs still, e.g. with suspend and strigidaemon taking all CPU
[06:45] <rjek> Goddamnit.  I have a CD image of the gutsy beta here.
[06:45] <rjek> How do I upgrade from it?  Synaptic refuses to accept it, because it's looking for a real CD rather than a loopback-mounted one.
[06:46] <anto> Heya guys i just got a gusty update today an i have totaly forgotten how to reinstall my nvidia drivers !'
[06:53] <kyja> ok so some applications still over clock my cpu. I have umm. multi threaded p4 proc that acts like 2 cpu's. its 3.4 gigs and dl from ftp with bible time 1.6.4 over clocks me and kills my power
[06:53] <rjek> How does software overclock your CPU?
[06:54] <kyja> thats what I would like to know. you see it uses a kernel that divides work to the two threads
[06:55] <kyja> so it moves data around between cpu1 and cpu2 but if its not doing that somethings rack 1 cpu to 100% and bam !! emergancy power cut from bois
[06:55] <rjek> Are you sure it's just that your CPU has insufficent cooling, and the machine stiffs when it overheats under load?
[06:56] <aldanon> so i'm still working on compiling this driver for my x-fi soundcard ;)
[06:56] <kyja> well, I had questioned the very same thing before however.. this threading worked fine bore the update.
[06:56] <aldanon> anyone here good at compiling? heh
[06:57] <kyja> mm any luck?
[06:57] <rjek> aldanon: I tend to leave that to GCC :)
[06:57] <rjek> And I tend to leave audio to my Hi Fi. :)
[06:57] <aldanon> gcc?
[06:57] <kyja> gcc compiler
[07:00] <aldanon> creative just released the 64bit driver, but i'm not having any luck so far
[07:00] <nerdzyboy> Im running ubuntu 7.10b, Im having a problem with my wifi card, it is being detected properly, the network manager connects properly to any network but the speed never gets over 10-12 kb/s is that normal? (in windows i can get speeds of 800 kb/s with the same card...)
[07:01] <kyja> aldanon, your 64bit cpu?
[07:01] <aldanon> aye i'm running a 64-bit opteron
[07:02] <rjek> Rather than a 32-bit one? :)
[07:02] <kyja> nerdzyboy, there might be comromize due to distance and obsticles. you can check things ut with iwconfig and set things.
[07:02] <kyja> hehe cool
[07:03] <kyja> this hyper threading thing is driving me bananas !
[07:03] <nerdzyboy> what should the link signal level be for a good connection?
[07:04] <aldanon> thats a question you would want to pose to a cable technician
[07:04] <kyja> to see processor monitor say 50% and all three fans kick on and before you know it. power out
[07:04] <cromo> wth? I updated today (250+ MB of updates) and the resolution under gsm is just 320x240??? after logging in proper resolution is set up again though.
[07:04] <kyja> when I get 64% I can still dl over 1mbit
[07:04] <cromo> *gdm
[07:05] <nerdzyboy> I have a signal of -100 dbm...
[07:05] <macogw> does anyone else have this bug:  you're connected to wireless.  you plug in an ethernet cable.  NetworkManager continues to have the wired network greyed out instead of letting you connect to it
[07:05] <kyja> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"linksys"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[07:05] <kyja>           Mode:Managed  Frequency=2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:13:10:E4:25:29
[07:05] <kyja>           Bit Rate=24 Mb/s   Tx-Power=19 dBm
[07:05] <kyja>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[07:05] <kyja>           Link Quality=76/100  Signal level=-51 dBm  Noise level=-71 dBm
[07:05] <kyja>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[07:05] <kyja>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[07:05] <aldanon> so any compiling wizards in the house?
[07:06] <kyja> yeah your lvl kinda stinks
[07:06] <fulat2k> macogw: yups, have it here.
[07:06] <macogw> ok
[07:06] <hydrogen> !paste | kyja
[07:06] <ubotu> kyja: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:06] <kyja> my oppologies
[07:07] <macogw> next bug: anyone using network-manager-vpnc and have it set to save the passwords in the keyring but finding that it doesn't save them and you have to enter them on login anyway?
[07:07] <kyja> should have msged him actualy
[07:07] <BlueParrot> hmm, I seem to be having a minor bug / misconfiguration / problem
[07:07] <BlueParrot> the quit button in the Xfce menu often fails to log out ...
[07:07] <Dr_willis> !info menu
[07:07] <ubotu> menu: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.34 (gutsy), package size 398 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[07:07] <BlueParrot> as in, I click it and it does nothing ...
[07:08] <BlueParrot> Dr_willis: eh ?
[07:08] <kyja> nerdzyboy, can you relocate closer to the wireless hub to test this issue? you might have to change channels for less interfearance
[07:08] <Dr_willis> i got a bad habbit of typing !info <package>    in my bash shell now, Due to the bot.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:08] <macogw> haha
[07:08] <Dr_willis> i should make up some aliasas
[07:09] <Dr_willis> now THAT would be cool. actually
[07:09] <macogw> Dr_willis: alias !info='apt-cache show"
[07:09] <kyja> so Dr_willis make an alies in bashrc hehe. alias !info='sudo apt-get install"
[07:09] <kyja> hehe
[07:10] <Dr_willis> actually using a ! as part of acommand is not good I think. :) thats bash history stuff
[07:10] <kyja> oooh
[07:10] <kyja> cood point
[07:10] <kyja> darn I typo alot
[07:11] <macogw> oh
[07:11] <kyja> I typed ! at promped and got this "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'"
[07:11] <Dr_willis> apt-cache show   - gives a lot more info also then the bot does.
[07:11] <macogw> didnt know that...
[07:11] <Dr_willis> ! is part of the history feature. Not really used a lot i guess in bash. (or mentioned a lot)
[07:13] <ryancr> well the new nvidia driver didn't seem to solve the black window problem for me, how can I force compiz to use indirect rendering again?
[07:13] <kyja> I created an alias to edit bashrc I am so addicted. alias beg="gedit .bashrc &'
[07:14] <Dr_willis> kyja,  ok.. thats sick. :)
[07:14] <kyja> :)
[07:14] <rjek> Yeah!  gedit!  FOUL.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> go read the 'bash prompt howto' 100 times for pennance..
[07:14] <Dr_willis> :P
[07:15] <kyja> well nano I cant paste thats only be
[07:15] <Dr_willis> Im making 'ubuntu tweaking' scripts - for my lan of 3 ubuntu box's to tweak/setup/install stuff how I like it...
[07:15] <kyja> lol
[07:15] <kyja> nice
[07:15] <Dr_willis> kyja,  install 'gpm' for console cut/pasteing. :) (one of my tweaks)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> then theres setting up vi 'properly' :)
[07:15] <kyja> gpm huh. ok
[07:16] <Dr_willis> who decided to include vim-tiny :0
[07:16] <macogw> fulat2k: bug #148630
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148630 in network-manager-applet "Wired not available in NetworkManager after wireless is used (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148630
[07:16] <emet> gedit for the winnnnn
[07:16] <macogw> emet: eh?
[07:16] <Dr_willis> emet,  untill you ned to edit somting without X :)
[07:17] <Dr_willis> !info gvim
[07:17] <macogw> i <3 vim
[07:17] <ubotu> Package gvim does not exist in gutsy
[07:17] <emet> Dr_willis: gtk-ncurses
[07:17] <Dr_willis> Ack! what!
[07:17] <Dr_willis> no gvim? Hmm..
[07:17] <kyja> yeah, I had been stuck once where x would not start because of a lock file
[07:17] <macogw> when i have to type in textboxes in firefox, i always want to hit <esc>$ to go to end of line, but it doesn't work outside vim and bash (vi is my bash input method)
[07:17] <riotkittie> i <3 pie
[07:17] <BlueParrot> Dr_willis: heh, I located the actual problem with the menu it seems
[07:18] <BlueParrot> Dr_willis: known xfce bug : ) . The quit button fails ...
[07:18] <BlueParrot> "fun"
[07:18] <riotkittie> network-manager == suddenly quite evil  :|
[07:18] <macogw> yeah
[07:18] <macogw> it suddenly started to suck
[07:18] <macogw> "disable wireless" doesn't actually disable wireless either....oh thats likely part of my other bug
[07:19] <kyja> gpm awsome
[07:21] <kyja> I realy think that finaly after much work I have 7.10b working great other than some apps dont work good with the multi threaded dual cpu thing
[07:21] <riotkittie> i like the way it still showed me as connected thirty mins after my connection had dropped :D
[07:22] <kyja> hehe
[07:22] <macogw> im not sure if its nm or nm-applet that i should be reporting against
[07:22] <macogw> because i dont know if the UI isn't sending the signals / responding to signals or if the backend isn't doing anything
[07:22] <riotkittie> ah :|
[07:25] <ryancr> anyone, indirect rendering?
[07:26] <kurisutofuaa> how do you upgrade to from 7.04 to 7.10b? Just testing it out. (Through it in a vm.)
[07:27] <Dr_willis> i wonder if 'fuse' not set for default users. is a bug of a security feature....
[07:27] <macogw> kurisutofuaa: gksu "update-manager -d"
[07:27] <Dr_willis> or a feature. :)
[07:33] <kyja> I have tried to find good resources for bash clippings for cool additions to my rc file :/ hmmm
[07:34] <jhearn> Hi, I've just installed Gutsy and have a few questions. Is this a decent place to ask about the gnome desktop in gutsy?
[07:35] <kyja> as good as any
[07:36] <jhearn> Thanks :) This is a little one, but when I go to the preferences on the workspace switcher applet, there's no option to change the number of workspaces.
[07:36] <jhearn> The docs say that there should be..
[07:36] <kyja> are you talking about multi desktops?
[07:37] <jhearn> virtual desktops
[07:37] <kyja> I have the option
[07:37] <jhearn> I only see "Show only the current workspace" and "Show all workspaces in X rows"
[07:37] <kyja> bold: workspaces ... Number od Workspaces:
[07:38] <kyja> you can resize the window even without the wedge
[07:38] <riotkittie> jhearn: > go to System > Preferences > Appearance. you need to change it there
[07:38] <jhearn> Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Resizing the window didn't reveal anything.
[07:38] <kyja> ahhh, might be different with comprize running
[07:39] <kyja> yeah like riotkittie said
[07:39] <jhearn> Hmm. That was it.
[07:39] <jhearn> Thanks!
[07:40] <riotkittie> yw
[07:40] <jhearn> I disabled compiz and the options on the widget showed up.
[07:41] <IndyGunFreak> !gparted
[07:41] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[07:41] <IndyGunFreak> !partition
[07:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:41] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[07:41] <kyja> ?
[07:41] <kyja> IndyGunFreak, partition trouble?
[07:42] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: naa... i can't get gparted to open up under gutsy, it just goes on "scan devices" forever
[07:42] <riotkittie> i wish i could get used to the reversal of my hard drives
[07:42] <IndyGunFreak> i've disconnected all my external drives, ipods, etc.
[07:42] <riotkittie> oh. now that i'm under gutsy, let me see if i have that problem
[07:42] <kyja> IndyGunFreak, mine was crashing after edit and rescan. anonymous reports were sent out several times
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> i installed the version in the repos, had that problem, so i uninstalled, and compiled the new version from the gparted homepage, with same resujlts
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: its not that big of a deal really, i use a partedmagic live CD, I just like having gparted available on my install.
[07:43] <kyja> perhap you have errors.
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: terminal didn't report any when i ran it in terminal.
[07:44] <IndyGunFreak> like i said, i tjust sat on "scanning devices", for like 10-15min, and i finally force quit gparted
[07:44] <IndyGunFreak> ntfs
[07:44] <kyja> k you would have to run fsck -f on the drive unmounted. -f will tell it check again even if its clean flag is set. did you?
[07:44] <kyja> interesting
[07:45] <IndyGunFreak> kyja: i have 1 drive, 15gig XP partition, 220gig ext3
[07:45] <kyja> nice size.
[07:46] <IndyGunFreak> :)
[07:46] <IndyGunFreak> i only have XP because of my GPS device.
[07:46] <kyja> I had trouble where gutsy looked 40gb now its 20gb same content. nothing deleated. I think that was what I had trouble with
[07:46] <IndyGunFreak> i had it running on XP via VirtualBox, but it was really slow, decided I'd torture myself with a windows install and boot it a couple times a month
[07:47] <IndyGunFreak> i've really had no trouble with gutsy, other than this gparted issue, which isn't that big of a deal.
[07:47] <kyja> you could for giggles run resize2fs /dev/sdax
[07:48] <kyja> mmm. I had some issues. got most of them cleared up how ever one major issue still remains.
[07:48] <IndyGunFreak> i had a little trouble with Dual Monitors, it didn't set up quite as easily as it did in feisty...
[07:48] <riotkittie> i need to get another internal. i dread installing it tho.
[07:48] <kyja> that is in how running applications gets devided between my two cpu threads
[07:49] <kyja> hehe
[07:49] <IndyGunFreak> i actually screwed it bad enough, i couldn't install the proper driver(my fault, as i apparently installed the wrong version), so i reinstalled gutsy, used restricted driver, and had to tweak some setting sto make it work.
[07:49] <IndyGunFreak> external drives are awesome.
[07:49] <kyja> yes they can be
[07:50] <IndyGunFreak> I got a seagate 500gig on sale for $99 at Best buy, and bought a $25 enclosure at Tigerdirect.  $130, 500gigs of external storage
[07:50] <riotkittie> this would be more awesome if i could use it on my laptop.
[07:50] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: yeah, i like mine cuz i can use it on my laptop and my PC..
[07:51] <riotkittie> and since sending my last external dropping to its death, i am kind of wary :P
[07:51] <kyja> there is a 400gig model that can slide into my hp pavilion. I want badly
[07:51] <riotkittie> i should just remove it from the enclosure and make sure that it's toast. but my other half won't let me. :|
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: lol, i have 2 externals, 1 80gig, 1 500, my 80gig, has everything real important to me backed up, and just sits in a drawer, the 500gig, gets regular updates
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> both are in enclosures i bought from TD
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> whats the terminal command to view disk info?... is it df?
[07:52] <riotkittie> i've only gone the premade seagate route because i'm lazy like that :P
[07:52] <riotkittie> yea, df
[07:52] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, doesn't show anything about my ntfs partition
[07:52] <riotkittie> my first was a 500. the one that i've got now is 300 :|
[07:53] <riotkittie> is your ntfs mounted?
[07:53] <kyja> a friend ups'ed me a 30gig ipod that he was only using as a backup of his os lol. he decided he would give it to me.
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> i love my 30gig ipod.
[07:53] <riotkittie> i need a larger ipod.
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> i wish they made a waterproof one i could wear when i swim..lol
[07:54] <riotkittie> i am suffering with a mere 2gb nano ;(
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> of course then i'd need waterproof headphones.
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> i have a 4gig nano, and a 30gig video.
[07:54] <macogw> i have a 30g zen and could never use all that memory
[07:54] <macogw> i wanna sell it for a sansa e2xx
[07:54] <macogw> i only have like 6gb of songs total after ripping all my songs
[07:54] <macogw> *all my cds
[07:54] <riotkittie> i have 30+ gb of music  at the moment.
[07:55] <IndyGunFreak> macogw:  i had a sansa e2 something.. maybe e210?  4gig it was pretty nice, when i got my nano, i gave it to my youngest sister when my nephew accidentally broke her mp3 player(it was some cheapy)
[07:55] <riotkittie> anh will have much more once we find all of our CDs, and i get the motivation to rip four crates of records
[07:55] <kyja> I put like 20 gigs of styx journey and queen on mine
[07:55] <IndyGunFreak> my ipod has about 10gigs free.. mostly country, old rock, 80's, etc.
[07:55] <macogw> riotkittie: yeah ripping records would add more to mine...
[07:56] <kyja> how can you jam to kenny g?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:57] <IndyGunFreak> i downloaded some cool mac icons from gnome-look.org yesterday
[07:57] <kyja> lol
[07:57] <AncientRelic> is there any reason why Gutsy didn't load "xserver-xgl" when I upgraded?
[07:57] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[07:57] <Dr_willis> http://www.ubuntuhq.com/content/no-more-automatix%3F-automagic-codec-and-flash-install-ubuntu-gutsy
[07:58] <Dr_willis> This guy said that Gutsy auto-installed flash for him?  It dident for me...
[07:58] <Dr_willis> or was that a recent change?
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: it did for me to.. well, just like windows anyways, click the add plugin, choose adobe, and it installed
[07:58] <riotkittie> "Flash pug-in".  hee hee hee. that amuses me greatly.
[07:58] <Dr_willis> Then again.. the guy couldent  aparently install it befor.. without using automatix.
[07:58] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  hmm.. i dident even try that. :)
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: lol, case in point..lol
[07:59] <Dr_willis> Death of AUtomatix = a good thing. :)
[07:59] <alka_trash> I noticed logging into gnome, takes a little longer - does anyone know a fix?
[07:59] <kyja> it is a good thing. realy
[07:59] <IndyGunFreak> i used automatix, and it wasnt that bad, then i started reading about the hell it had caused many others, and decided to do away with it.
[07:59] <kyja> and its true. firefox installed java and flash for me
[07:59] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: did it die?... i saw many of the newbs bemoaning that their site was down
[08:00] <kyja> movie player installed missing codec
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> i used it on edgy, didn't bother with feisty and now gutsy
[08:00] <riotkittie> i don't see why people turn to automatix.
[08:00] <alka_trash> it's really scary when Michael Dell recommends Automatix
[08:00] <kyja> this is the way it should be. with disclaimers of non free choices
[08:00] <alka_trash> scarry
[08:00] <riotkittie> does he really, alka_trash ?
[08:00] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  with every release of ubuntu.. automatix becomes less and less needed.
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: because they don't want to work at making th eir PC and Linux work.. they want it dumbed down to where they don't have to think.. its a sign of society
[08:01] <AncientRelic> In Gutsy, how do I get the desktop cube?
[08:01] <kyja> it says the right progress is being made to ubuntu
[08:01] <Dr_willis> alka_trash,  yep.. people that have no idea about computer long term security/updating/ussage .. just wanting 'idiot proofing for the short term'
[08:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: true, but with the medibuntu repo.. installing codecs is about as difficult as mailing a letter.. if you ask me anyways
[08:01] <riotkittie> IndyGunFreak: i know, i know. but as much as i know, i can't wrap my head around it, whatsoever
[08:01] <alka_trash> riotkittie: I remember seeing a page from dell on what Mr Dell is running and on his Ubuntu Laptop he listed Automatix
[08:01] <kyja> AncientRelic, i do believe you have to run beryl
[08:01] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  yep. That out for gutsy now> not chedked lately.
[08:01] <Dr_willis> alka_trash,  now the DMCA and RIAA can sue him!
[08:01] <Dr_willis> )
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: i just used the feisty medibuntu repo, and its worked fine w/ Gutsy w/o modification
[08:02] <Dr_willis> IndyGunFreak,  cool. was wondering about that.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> will have to check it out later.
[08:02] <Dr_willis> gotta go to to work. ICK! now. :)
[08:02] <AncientRelic> kyja: not worth it then, I'm getting just about all the effects I want from Desktop Effects turned all the way up
[08:02] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_willis: its given me no issues, i just used it for DVDs, multimedia, googlearth, and adobe acrobat, and all those programs work fine.
[08:02] <riotkittie> AncientRelic: install compiz-settings-manager
[08:03] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: thanks
[08:03] <alka_trash> A little older now, but on the 3rd paragraph it lists Automatix  http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5149877302.html
[08:04] <riotkittie> lol. i will have to add him to my list of people to send angry letters to
[08:04] <IndyGunFreak> you know before deciding to put gutsy on my laptop and my PC, i was messing with Beafanatix Linux.. based on ubuntu.. it has so much promise for slow PC's, but its based on freakin Ubuntu Breezy
[08:04] <IndyGunFreak> but man is it fast
[08:05] <riotkittie> all my slow machines get slackware. or zenwalk. <3
[08:05] <IndyGunFreak> i tried zenwalk.. used it in vbox, it was pretty cool.
[08:05] <AncientRelic> I'm getting a new laptop in a week or so, since I've got compiz running beautifully on my spare box with an X300 video card, I'm less concerned about ATI graphics in my laptop
[08:05] <riotkittie> although i guess a server install with flux on top would work alright
[08:05] <IndyGunFreak> i may put tha ton my laptop.... i'd honestly forgot about it.
[08:05] <IndyGunFreak> it woule give me a distro thats a bit "harder".. to learn stuff
[08:05] <riotkittie> my x300 makes me a sad panda
[08:06] <SimSim> afternoon.
[08:06] <SimSim> need help, When I reboot my pc it doesn't load my nvidia, I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia, then startx and then it loads nvidia as normal, how can I fix this?
[08:06] <riotkittie> i have zen on my laptop, alongside dapper
[08:06] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: with 7600GS cards below 80 USD it can't be that bad
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> Zenwalk is based on slack, correct?
[08:06] <riotkittie> yep
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> so it shoud be fast.
[08:06] <titun> can i hope this problem to be solved in Gutsy final release? on feisty on boot my keyboard+touchpad hangs, sp i have to do ACPI=Off but this takes away my audio??
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> but man, all that compiling.. .. ::shutter::
[08:06] <riotkittie> oh it's mindblowingly fast.
[08:07] <SimSim> unless you have brain damage, then speed won't be an issue.
[08:07] <IndyGunFreak> cuz it doesn't have any sort of package manager does it?... you basically scour the net to insall dependencies
[08:08] <riotkittie> there's slapt-get and gslapt but i'm not sure how well those work, or how well they handle depends
[08:08] <assasukasse> hi all, when gutsy will be released, what will be the easiest way to install on a feisty system with some additional repos added (not official repo, like the one for hinted fonts and so on)
[08:08] <IndyGunFreak> slapt-get..lol  thats great
[08:08] <riotkittie> :D
[08:08] <Evanlec> lol
[08:08] <IndyGunFreak> assasukasse: i'd imagine disable them, upgrade, then re-enable
[08:09] <SimSim> ass, dist-upgrade :D
[08:09] <assasukasse> IndyGunFreak: thanks, that is what i wanted to do, i just wanted another word :D
[08:09] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: i think he's concerned about unofficial repos dragging in upgrades that would bork the upgrade
[08:09] <IndyGunFreak> hey Evanlec  didn't see you come in
[08:09] <Evanlec> hey hey
[08:09] <titun> can i hope to get my ACPI=Off problem solved in Gutsy?
[08:10] <IndyGunFreak> ::flip a coin:::
[08:10] <SimSim> ag
[08:10] <SimSim> ah
[08:10] <kyja> apt-slapt install ?
[08:10] <Evanlec> i put the acpi=off option on and for some reason on bootup i still see it loading the acpi module
[08:10] <titun> acpi=on hangs my touchpad+keyboard and acpi=off takes away my audio
[08:10] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: which repo is compiz-settings-manager in?
[08:11] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: thats part of the problem with automatix(among others anyways), most of the problems, seem when trying to upgrade, it starts dragging in upgrades from every which direction, then really hoses things good, thus you end up reinstalling.
[08:11] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, i believe Amaranth's
[08:11] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: OK, I'm going to start with gnome-compiz-manager for now
[08:11] <riotkittie> AncientRelic: sorry, its compizconfig-settings-manager  ... and its in universe
[08:11] <SimSim> well with automatix there will be a gutsy version out anyway
[08:11] <SimSim> for those that use it
[08:11] <Pici> !automatix
[08:11] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[08:11] <AncientRelic> riotkittie: thanks for the correction
[08:12] <Evanlec> i used automatix :( thus why im going to clean install gutsy
[08:12] <SimSim> I liked it in the beginning, then I just found it useless
[08:12] <riotkittie> AncientRelic: i always mess that up and fail to catch it on time :o
[08:12] <IndyGunFreak> Evanlec: probably a good idea.. and you like tinkering anyways, start doing stuff the right way...lol
[08:12] <SimSim> no need for a clean install really
[08:12] <kyja> alias ns='netstat -alnp --protocol=inet | grep -v CLOSE_WAIT | cut -c-6,21-94 | tail +2'
[08:12] <IndyGunFreak> just remove the automatix repo.
[08:12] <Evanlec> IndyGunFreak, yep, im going to do things the right way this time ;p
[08:12] <SimSim> just remove it and remove the repos
[08:13] <SimSim> then do a dist-upgrade
[08:13] <SimSim> and voila
[08:13] <Evanlec> u tink so?
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> ya.. that should do it.
[08:13] <SimSim> thats what I did
[08:13] <Evanlec> hmmm
[08:13] <riotkittie> i'd do a clean install. but i alwaaays do clean installs
[08:13] <riotkittie> :P
[08:13] <SimSim> from feisty/automatix to gutsy/no automatix
[08:13] <Evanlec> interesting
[08:13] <Evanlec> i kinda wanted to setup some softraid/lvm action tho
[08:13] <riotkittie> with the exception of my laptop. because it's just not liking the edgy or feisty discs
[08:13] <IndyGunFreak> this of couirse, coming from someone who hates upgrading, i do clean isntalls everytime, but i've heard what simsim just describes, works fine
[08:14] <riotkittie> if i had to dist-upgrade on dialup, <cringe>
[08:14] <SimSim> I also am a no upgrade person in any OS, i prefer clean installs, but I said what the hell
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: lol, yikes
[08:14] <Evanlec> hmph
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> how long does it even take to do an upgrade?
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> i've heard around 2hrs.
[08:14] <titun> " If you regularly update, you already have it" does this mean i have most the features/functanalities that gutsy has to offer if my current system is up-to-date?
[08:14] <SimSim> I said to myself let me do it, for fun, so I did it, and it worked so I got lazy to do a clean install :)
[08:15] <SimSim> well im on a 1mbit line
[08:15] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: About 2.5 Hours for me from feisty to Gutsy
[08:15] <IndyGunFreak> see, that makes no sense.
[08:15] <Evanlec> titun, yes
[08:15] <SimSim> 2.5 hrs? hmm took me less
[08:15] <SimSim> but then I do regular upgrade checks daily
[08:15] <riotkittie> IndyGunFreak: mine were really fast, i'm going to say like an hour, if even that
[08:15] <AncientRelic> SimSim: I'm on DSL
[08:15] <riotkittie> maybe 30 mins
[08:15] <titun> Evanlec: ah...gr8
[08:15] <Evanlec> i get about 500kB/s downstream from ubuntu repos
[08:16] <riotkittie> i remeber the good old days of downloading Linux ISOs on a 56k :x
[08:16] <SimSim> sometimes do apt-get update twice a day
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> no kdding, i used a torrent to download the gutsy alternate iso(bout 15min) reinstalled in about 20-25min. spent about 20-25min reinstalling and removing applications that I didn't want anymore.
[08:16] <Evanlec> they're usually nice and fast, saturate my pipe very nicely ;)
[08:16] <SimSim> true
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> anmd about 20min or so moving videos, mp3s, etc,. from my external drive back to my new install.
[08:16] <SimSim> doing a clean install is like getting an enema done.
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> then probably 10-15, going through all my programs and adjusting settings
[08:16] <macogw> hahah
[08:16] <AncientRelic> SimSim: That's what I'm doing on my primary box when Gutsy is released
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: yeah, plus i can make sure i have no viruses.. :)
[08:16] <SimSim> haha
[08:17] <SimSim> speaking of viruses
[08:17] <SimSim> I tried avg today
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> any good?
[08:17] <SimSim> its not bad actually
[08:17] <SimSim> as a linux antivirus scanner
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i use it on my xp partition.. why i don't know.. i boot XP 1x a month..
[08:17] <Evanlec> i feel like i should do clean install tho, i feel like i kinda littered and messied my current filesystem, for instance installing games n crap in strange folders like /usr/local/games
[08:17] <SimSim> at least it lets me scan harddrives that I connect to my usb external for repairs
[08:17] <riotkittie> i boot into xp like once a day <hangs head in shame>
[08:17] <Evanlec> hah! linux really doesnt have virus problems...
[08:17] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: A little VMware workstation, and you'll never dual boot again
[08:18] <SimSim> no but I use it to scan harddrives with windows on it before I repair/recover from them from clients
[08:18] <riotkittie> but i am spending a lot more time in ubuntu since caving and going the ndiswrapper route. mmm, stable wireless.
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: i actualy tried it.. i boot Vmware to manage my GPS device, and it absolutely sucked in Vmware.. very very slow... decided giving 15-20gigs to XP, was worth the hassle.
[08:18] <SimSim> to be honest its better than clamav
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[08:18] <SimSim> and faster scanning
[08:18] <SimSim> but like I said I only installed it today
[08:18] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: ouch
[08:18] <riotkittie> avg <3
[08:19] <Evanlec> i couldnt stand AVG on windows...kept bugging me with updates n crap
[08:19] <SimSim> so i'll give it a few days to try
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: its ok, Ubuntu has about 220ish..lol
[08:19] <AncientRelic> but I have hope if VMware is adding DX9 support to Fusion
[08:19] <SimSim> well avg linux doesn't bug you
[08:19] <SimSim> and it looks almost like clamav :)
[08:19] <AncientRelic> Then DX9 for Workstation shouldn't be far behind
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> how difficult was it to compile?
[08:19] <Evanlec> yea, i imagine its better
[08:20] <SimSim> no compile, its in the avg website .deb :)
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: hmm, sweet.. link?
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> avg.com?
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> oh wait, grisoft.com
[08:20] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, directx9 on vmware? eh? games thru vmware?
[08:20] <riotkittie> on a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to set up a vm?
[08:20] <SimSim> yea
[08:20] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: Yep
[08:20] <SimSim> 1 begeing easy?
[08:20] <SimSim> being*
[08:20] <riotkittie> i remember looking into it on my laptop but given my hardware, it wasnt happening
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> i'll put it on my laptop, see how ti goes.
[08:20] <riotkittie> SimSim: yes
[08:21] <SimSim> well pretty easy
[08:21] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, no way?? when is this happening lol
[08:21] <SimSim> and im a noob
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> vm is pretty easy.
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> i liked Virtualbox when i messed with it.
[08:21] <SimSim> took me about 10 minutes including download/install
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> Evanlec: there's a lot of info via google if you do some searching.
[08:21] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/26/vmware-fusion-1-1b-for-intel-macs-available
[08:21] <SimSim> but then I switched to virtualbox
[08:21] <Evanlec> i heard virtualbox was a lot faster than vmware
[08:21] <SimSim> found it faster
[08:21] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: Note that its for the Mac product
[08:22] <riotkittie> i'll have to give one of them a go, then
[08:22] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: but it should translate pretty well
[08:22] <IndyGunFreak> i got pretty good at running various Linux OS's in Virtualbox, and they all ran fine, but XP was awful
[08:22] <SimSim> dont forget to look in youtube for so many tutorials
[08:22] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: I've got 2005 MCE running just fine on my VMware 6
[08:22] <SimSim> there are many people youtubing how to's for lots of ubuntu stuff
[08:22] <SimSim> so if you can't follow directions, a video should do the trick
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: yeah, i might have done something wrong, but it woudl be fine, until i hooked up my GPS device, then it would get so slow my mouse was jerking,e tc.
[08:23] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: What CPU on your box?
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> 2.4ghz AMD 3200+
[08:23] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: S939?
[08:23] <SimSim> so anyway anyone wanna help me with my wierd nvidia loading problem?
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> 939?
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> you mean the socket?
[08:24] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: Si senor
[08:24] <Evanlec> lol
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> i don't think so, if i recall, thats fairly new, this is about a year old
[08:24] <SimSim> I reboot the machine and it starts to load it gets to the gdm but then it gets to that xorg gui config, so I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia then startx and it loads nvidia fine
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> it might be though, when i built it, i pretty much splurged on it.
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> i'll find my motherboard manual and look.
[08:24] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: If you've got a Socket AM2 motherboard, RUN and get a X2 3600+ from Newegg
[08:25] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: Less than 60 USD for dual core
[08:25] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: and VMware loves dual core
[08:25] <SimSim> nothing wrong with my 478pin :)
[08:25] <Evanlec> less than 60$ for an x2 ?
[08:25] <Evanlec> no kiddin...
[08:25] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: hmm, i was planning to build a new box in Jan/Feb...
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> maybe i'll do it a bit early
[08:26] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: If you're going new system
[08:26] <AncientRelic> Jan is perfect
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> ya.
[08:26] <AncientRelic> Intel new Q9300 quad core for 275ish
[08:26] <SimSim> or wait till jan and the processor will come free with a 10pack condom purchase
[08:26] <Evanlec> <---socket 775 ;)
[08:26] <Evanlec> LOL
[08:27] <Evanlec> condoms and cpu's don't go together
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> ya, i gotta start turning into a hardware geek again and read up on this stuff.. i've been so stuck on linux the last year, haven't paid much attention to hardware, but I've built about 6-7 PC's in that time for family/friends
[08:27] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103052
[08:27] <AncientRelic> just to prove it ;)
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: wheres the free version of AVG on grisoft's site?.. i'm not findint it.
[08:27] <SimSim> too bad newegg doesn't ship overseas
[08:27] <SimSim> Indy Ill get it for ya
[08:27] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: http://free.grisoft.com
[08:27] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, lol thats amazing...those x2's used to be super expensive
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: ?.. is the linux version there to?
[08:28] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: I know, everybody should be dual core
[08:28] <SimSim> www.grisoft.com/linux
[08:28] <AncientRelic> IndyGunFreak: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0?prd=afl
[08:28] <AncientRelic> there you go
[08:28] <john1212> how stable is gutsy?
[08:28] <SimSim> oops
[08:28] <SimSim> not the free :)
[08:28] <SimSim> yea ancient got ya
[08:29] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, im runnin a pentium-D but...wondering if i should upgrade to a pentium EE (pentiumD with hyperthreading) or just get a new mobo and a new quad core chip next year or so
[08:29] <SimSim> john, how stable are you?
[08:29] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: what mobo?
[08:29] <Evanlec> lol
[08:29] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: thanks, dont' know how i missed it.
[08:29] <AncientRelic> john1212: Its running great for me
[08:29] <hetauma> is there any way that I can check the chagelog of the programs I update?
[08:29] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=1903&ProductName=GA-8I955X%20Pro
[08:29] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: yeah you're SOL for dual core
[08:30] <AncientRelic> I mean Core 2
[08:30] <Evanlec> u mean for intel core duo?
[08:30] <Evanlec> yea
[08:30] <SimSim> 1.8 dualcore pentium overclocking to 3.2
[08:30] <SimSim> 83$US
[08:30] <AncientRelic> Oh wait
[08:30] <SimSim> worth it I think :)
[08:30] <AncientRelic> Evanlec, with a BIOS update you can run C2D
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> did anyone have trouble with all those updates this morning?.. there wa a long list, but they only took like 2min.. i did notice it upgraded Pidgin to the latest release with that bug fix
[08:30] <AncientRelic> oh wait you can'
[08:30] <AncientRelic> can't
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> but i'd already compiled it.
[08:30] <AncientRelic> stupid website
[08:30] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, c2d?
[08:31] <SimSim> I thought it was A2Z
[08:31] <john1212> AncientRelic:  if i upgrade to it and not like it can i remove it and have 7.04 back with out losing data?
[08:31] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: read the chart wrong, you are screwed
[08:31] <Evanlec> lol
[08:31] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:31] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, but i can get a pentium EE
[08:31] <SimSim> john, no
[08:31] <IndyGunFreak> AncientRelic: don't hold anything back, tell him the truth..lol
[08:31] <SimSim> you can keep the kernels
[08:31] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: for the cost of an EE you can get a new mobo and a C2Q
[08:31] <SimSim> kernels and OS version are two different entities
[08:32] <SimSim> kewl
[08:32] <SimSim> let me know what you think
[08:32] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, really? hmm...what about my ram? is that transplantable? its ddr2...not great stuff tho
[08:32] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
[08:32] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: Yep the memory will go over
[08:32] <SimSim> get a combo mobo
[08:32] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: is it PC4200 or PC5300?
[08:33] <AncientRelic> either way it will work
[08:33] <Evanlec> AncientRelic, im not sure...how would i check?
[08:33] <AncientRelic> Core 2 is less bandwidth dependant than P-D
[08:33] <Evanlec> it was rated at 667mhz i tink
[08:33] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: it says i don't have permission to do an update.. you need root to run a update?
[08:33] <AncientRelic> Evanlec: PC5300
[08:33] <AncientRelic> you're good for now
[08:33] <SimSim> yea Indy
[08:34] <SimSim> just do sudo avggui
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> ok...
[08:34] <SimSim> and update
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> seems like th ey'd have just made that part of the menu entry, i'll modify that
[08:34] <AncientRelic> I think I'd be a god if there was an #ubuntu-hardware channel :P
[08:34] <SimSim> no you'd be the dirt that the worm that I stepped on
[08:35] <AncientRelic> Why thank you
[08:35] <SimSim> your welcome
[08:35] <SimSim> even dirt can be gods
[08:35] <SimSim> just ask terry pratchett
[08:35] <AncientRelic> I love Discworld
[08:36] <SimSim> ook!
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: the GUI could be a little better, but its not bad.. i'll run a system scan see if it finds anything..lol
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> i just modified my menu entry so it uses root to open it and asks for my password, kinda silly they didn't do that
[08:37] <SimSim> try to hook a windows harddrive to your pc and do a scan too :)
[08:37] <IndyGunFreak> lol, i'll do that on my pc
[08:37] <IndyGunFreak> shojuldn't take to long to scan my laptop, nothing really on it...lol
[08:37] <SimSim> there is ONE good use for this antivirus other than scanning windows harddrives
[08:38] <SimSim> at least it will scan your emails if you use evolution or third party email apps
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: ? and that is?
[08:38] <SimSim> I tried it, and it found a few viruses
[08:38] <SimSim> but then again they were windows viruses
[08:38] <AncientRelic> brb all
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: hmm, hadnt thought of that, but i use gmail's website ..
[08:39] <SimSim> yea me too, but I have one account that is part of work, so I have to download and not webmail it
[08:39] <IndyGunFreak> makes ssense
[08:40] <SimSim> good thing im on nix :)
[08:40] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:40] <IndyGunFreak> 1002 files scanned, no viruses found...lol, whew
[08:40] <SimSim> it was fast right?
[08:40] <IndyGunFreak> oh ya.
[08:40] <stefgl> SimSim: do you really forward funny mails with spoof.pdf.exe attachments to win-users? Do you really need an antivirus to tell you theres a virus/trojan in it ?
[08:40] <disasm> upgraded last night, no problems whatsoever, worked like a charm, had all feisty updates done before the upgrade, well there was one problem, ran out of disk space, but removing UT2004 fixed that problem (I knew I should have done a 40 gig root instead of 20...)
[08:40] <SimSim> stef :)...maybe
[08:41] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: when i scan all files though, i get an error... "  /       Cannot Open; not checked!  Input/output error".. whats that mean?
[08:41] <IndyGunFreak> its got root access.
[08:41] <SimSim> how could you remove ut?
[08:41] <SimSim> shame on you man
[08:42] <SimSim> Indy, prolly it was trying to open a dev file?
[08:42] <IndyGunFreak> stefgl: linux version?
[08:42] <disasm> SimSim: i don't play video games ;-) I couldn't even beat it on "skilled" difficulty
[08:42] <IndyGunFreak> just trying to figure out what that error means, doens't make sense, cuz i didn't have   / selected
[08:42] <SimSim> hmm
[08:42] <stefgl> IndyGunFreak: that's a native linux app :-)
[08:42] <disasm> IndyGunFreak: I hope your joking ;-)
[08:42] <SimSim> could be a glitch
[08:42] <SimSim> or your HD is about to die
[08:42] <disasm> stefgl: it depends, some windows converts can't seem to get it to run correctly
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> lol, didn't know that, no i wasn't joking
[08:43] <stefgl> IndyGunFreak: See what i mean... get an idea or leave ... :-)
[08:43] <SimSim> well i/o errors usually mean your drive isnt reading the file correctly
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: ya.
[08:43] <IndyGunFreak> brain 2.0, i'll have to look for it.
[08:44] <SimSim> you might want to livecd, then fsck it to check for bad blocks and the files are ok
[08:44] <SimSim> never fsck your drive while your in the system
[08:44] <IndyGunFreak> its my lapop, probalby is bad blocks, its a clunker
[08:44] <SimSim> rephrase, dont fsck your root drive while mounted.
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> ya
[08:45] <SimSim> my HD is dying too
[08:45] <disasm> stefgl: I upgraded to brain 3.0, it allows me to compile my own software, including custom kernels!
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: but i got it like a year ago for about 150ish, it wasn't a bad deal
[08:45] <SimSim> :)
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> so what is brain's homepage?
[08:45] <disasm> roflol
[08:46] <IndyGunFreak> i really got it just to experiment w/ different distros, w/o screwing with my PC.
[08:46] <SimSim> talking about brain had me thinking of all the brain games I have on my ds
[08:46] <SimSim> also got me hungry
[08:46] <SimSim> deep fried brains and liver
[08:46] <SimSim> mmm
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> well googling Brain for Linux turns up zilch
[08:47] <SimSim> breaded fried brains with salad and tahina
[08:47] <SimSim> mmmmm
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> stefgl: what is brain's homepage
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> wait a second...lol
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> i just caught onto this.
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> brain can be found at onshoulders.com  i'm guessing?
[08:48] <disasm> I just had to explain to my boss why I'm laughing so hard ;-)
[08:48] <SimSim> clever boy :)
[08:48] <SimSim> now he gets it
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> disasm: cut me some slack, i worked 16 yesterday, woke up at 4am, lol
[08:48] <SimSim> ya ya
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> i need to get back to bed
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> but i'm on call right now.
[08:49] <SimSim> excuses
[08:49] <disasm> lol ;-) it's still funny though ;-)
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> i know.
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> it was funny, i agree.
[08:49] <Evanlec> what do i want here...vmware workstation?
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> if you guys don't mind being offtopic for a few minutes, i'll tell you a funny story about something i done when i was tired
[08:49] <SimSim> or as teenage american pop idolers would say, you got punk'd
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> well, most people find it hilarious,
[08:50] <SimSim> off topic from what? we've been talking about brains and food
[08:50] <Evanlec> i gotta get a license for vmware workstation? eh?
[08:50] <SimSim> its free
[08:50] <IndyGunFreak> SimSim: true but i don't want to raise anyones ire
[08:50] <SimSim> oh workstation
[08:50] <Evanlec> http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/lic_601_lin.html
[08:50] <SimSim> just use vmware server
[08:50] <IndyGunFreak> ok, well here goes,
[08:50] <SimSim> vmware server free licence, or use virtualbox (nicer, faster)
[08:51] <Evanlec> what about vmware fusion? ;p
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> hold on, i'll write it in paste, and you can read if you like..lol
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> !paste
[08:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:51] <disasm> IndyGunFreak: I use clamav on my mail server to get rid of all the virus spam, it's in ubuntu if you really want a virus scanner. I think there is a graphical version as well, avscan I think it is.
[08:51] <SimSim> you have to collect all dragonballs first to use vmware fusion
[08:51] <Evanlec> lol
[08:52] <Evanlec> im confused about vmware
[08:53] <SimSim> I wont be long here, cause I'll have to remove --purge any nvidia stuff I have and reinstall it again, cant find on google about why im getting this problem
[08:53] <SimSim> Evanlec, what exactly?
[08:53] <Evanlec> what is this new version of vmware thats sposed to have 3d support?
[08:53] <SimSim> well ignore that for now
[08:53] <SimSim> you still wont be able to install vista and run halo 3 from it
[08:53] <Evanlec> lol
[08:54] <disasm> SimSim: what problem?
[08:54] <Evanlec> okay, and how bout virtualbox with windows XP?
[08:54] <Evanlec> it works well?
[08:54] <SimSim> well when I reboot my machine it doesnt load the nvidia module as normal, it gets to the xorg gui configurator screen, I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia, then startx and it reloads my nvidia as normal again
[08:54] <SimSim> Evanlec, yes.
[08:55] <disasm> gui configuration screen?
[08:55] <SimSim> you know the new xorg gui thing that pops up if the xorg.conf file isnt loading the right module
[08:56] <minimec> SimSim: Could it be that you didn't save the changes of the nvidia-software to /etc/xorg.conf? There is a button there.
[08:56] <kbrosnan> I am having a problem with the nvidia restricted drivers, if i use them the x server hangs right after the ubuntu boot progress bar is finished. details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3469564
[08:56] <SimSim> well thats just it
[08:56] <SimSim> my xorg.conf HAS "nvidia" in it
[08:56] <Evanlec> SimSim, how bout games? that going to be possible anytime soon? when can i get rid of my windows partition?? lol
[08:56] <SimSim> and it loads after I rmmod and startx it
[08:57] <minimec> SimSim: Ok. So it is definitly a boot problem.
[08:57] <SimSim> Evanlec well there are many linux game alternatives to some windows ones..and then there is CEDEGA I use it to play fifa
[08:57] <disasm> SimSim: I haven't seen it yet, is it new in gutsy?
[08:57] <Evanlec> Cedega....oye
[08:57] <SimSim> yea disasm
[08:57] <SimSim> its actually nice
[08:57] <SimSim> instead of old dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:58] <disasm> I always just did Xorg -configure ;-)
[08:58] <minimec> SimSim: Try to make a boot.log. You may have to activate that in the services.
[08:58] <SimSim> I understand, but for noobs its heaven
[08:58] <disasm> it sounds pretty cool
[08:58] <SimSim> minimec ah thats it..I forgot to check that
[08:58] <disasm> does it do restricted?
[08:59] <minimec> SimSim: ... and maybe an xorg.log too. It's in /var/log
[08:59] <SimSim> yes disasm
[08:59] <SimSim> mini, I forgot about that too :)
[08:59] <SimSim> thanx
[09:00] <SimSim> ill check it now
[09:00] <disasm> So, if I move my xorg.conf aside and run startx will it run it? I might have to test it when I get home...
[09:00] <disasm> Oh, and does it to dual head configuration? That's the one thing that's a pain if you don't know how to make a custom xorg.conf file
[09:00] <Evanlec> SimSim, http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=2019
[09:00] <SimSim> cause what I did was compile a new nvidia driver, then I upgraded the kernel, then i forgot what I did, I think I installed glx-new, then I removed linux-restricted, then reinstalled again..then I forgot..
[09:01] <SimSim> disasm it does have that too
[09:01] <minimec> disasm: Removing the .conf file. I don't guess so.
[09:01] <disasm> SimSim: are you running a custom kernel or stock?
[09:01] <SimSim> stock
[09:01] <SimSim> 22-12
[09:02] <disasm> but you built a nvidia module from the nvidia site?
[09:02] <SimSim> yea
[09:02] <SimSim> and I even deleted the secret .nvidia file thats hidden in the /lib/ or /var/ modules directory
[09:02] <SimSim> did a lot of googling
[09:02] <disasm> SimSim: hmmm, I know it throws stuff in a number of places, I don't think there is any easy way to unistall it
[09:02] <SimSim> let me check my logs and see what it says
[09:03] <SimSim> yea thats the problem
[09:03] <minimec> SimSim: Why didn't you use the official restricted driver?
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> here you go guys, tell me what you think, i have to leave in a second, is this not th stupidest thing you've ever heard
[09:03] <IndyGunFreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39469/
[09:03] <SimSim> well because it was v 100.xx before the restricted ones were out :)
[09:03] <disasm> SimSim: if you still have the install file, sh filename.run --uninstall
[09:03] <RivaeAerya> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy?
[09:03] <SimSim> ah thats what I should do
[09:04] <SimSim> good idea disasm
[09:04] <SimSim> brb
[09:04] <disasm> RivaeAerya: not unless you can fix it if it breaks
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> nevermind, that paste i all screwed up, i'll do it later.
[09:04] <minimec> SimSim: dsam is right. I would do that
[09:04] <RivaeAerya> disasm: then it's not safe
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> gotta go all, be safe
[09:04] <SimSim> yea
[09:04] <SimSim> btw about the xorg gui
[09:04] <SimSim> http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/
[09:05] <minimec> SimSim: ... and then try the ubuntu restricted
[09:05] <disasm> RivaeAerya: wait till in releases, even if the upgrade goes okay, nothing to say an update won't screw something serious up
[09:05] <SimSim> the two screenshots there are similar to what I have
[09:05] <Evanlec> lol
[09:05] <RivaeAerya> disasm: alright. i heard it supported my videocard completely. I have an ATI Radeon 9250
[09:05] <Evanlec> good story indy
[09:05] <SimSim> minimec obviously :) I just wanted to figure out a way to do this, and --uninstall should do it
[09:06] <SimSim> I think I should arrange a release party for 7.10 in my area
[09:06] <HardDisk> meh taken
[09:07] <HDisk> ok there we go
[09:07] <HDisk> simsim was just a nick I picked to get on quick
[09:07] <HDisk> well its what my mom called me as a baby
[09:08] <HDisk> brb door
[09:08] <minimec> ... quiet romantic ;)
[09:11] <hylje> how quiet
[09:11] <kbrosnan> I am having a problem with the nvidia restricted drivers, if i use them the x server hangs right after the ubuntu boot progress bar is finished. details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3469564 or just ask me for more info
[09:12] <disasm> RivaeAerya: well, if your card isn't fully supported now, it might be worth doing an upgrade, just know if it has problems, your out of a machine till you fix em'
[09:13] <ikonia> kbrosnan: anything in the xorg or gdm log files ?
[09:13] <RivaeAerya> disasm: well... somebody said that in #ubuntu-offtopic, and i don't know if i can trust those words, because the open-source Radeon driver works fine... but how's the support for ATI Radeon 9200 PRO (9250) in Gutsy then?
[09:13] <disasm> RivaeAerya: don't know, I stick with NVIDIA myself
[09:14] <kyja> darn I would like to know why gutsy revs my cpu's more. I guess I can try an the older kernel on grub boot
[09:14] <RivaeAerya> disasm: where can i get the info?
[09:15] <disasm> RivaeAerya: i don't know, I've been looking for release notes for a while, and haven't seen any detailed ones
[09:16] <HDisk> ok going to try the --uninstall thing
[09:16] <HDisk> bbl
[09:16] <disasm> hdisk == simsim
[09:16] <kbrosnan> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39470/ is my xorg log, where is the gdm one? same location?
[09:18] <ikonia> gdm.log - same location
[09:18] <ikonia> kbrosnan: Iasked if there was anything in the log of interest - not show it to me
[09:18] <Blackgoth> question: I have flash from the ubuntu repo installed, i can check my webcam with camorama, but i CANT use it in flash
[09:19] <ikonia> Blackgoth: using flash or gnash ?
[09:19] <Blackgoth> flash
[09:19] <Blackgoth> adobe flash
[09:19] <ikonia> Blackgoth: adobe flash from the ubuntu repo - or from adobe.com
[09:19] <Blackgoth> ubuntu repo
[09:19] <Pici> Blackgoth: flash is not v4l2 compatible iirc.  I'm not sure about v4l1.
[09:19] <minimec> RivaeAerya: The Radeon 9250 is supported out of the box with the opensource driver. there is no restricted driver anymore!
[09:19] <kbrosnan> ikonia: i am not sure what would be interesting
[09:19] <ikonia> Pici: thats impressive off the top of your head
[09:20] <ikonia> kbrosnan: errors, warnings
[09:20] <Pici> ikonia: I was reading something about it earlier ;)
[09:20] <ikonia> Pici: should have kept quite, I was impressed
[09:20] <ikonia> I still am
[09:20] <Blackgoth> heh :p
[09:20] <Blackgoth> would gnash support it?
[09:20] <ikonia> no
[09:20] <Blackgoth> aww
[09:20] <ikonia> gnash is less advanced
[09:21] <Blackgoth> any idea's how i can get this working ikonia ?
[09:21] <ikonia> from what Pici is saying , its not supported
[09:23] <RivaeAerya> minimec: not in Gutsy either?
[09:24] <Blackgoth> ikonia: according to v4l my webcam _is_ supported
[09:24] <minimec> RivaeAerya: No. The 8500 9000 and 9200 are not supported with the restricted driver. It starts with Radeon 9600
[09:24] <Pici> Blackgoth: Are you using v4l1 or v4l2?
[09:24] <ikonia> didn't say your webcam is, flash may not be
[09:24] <panosru> hi, i have downloaded firefox 32 and install but mplayer does not work please can someone help me with this issue?
[09:24] <Blackgoth> v4l
[09:25] <Pici> Did it work pre-gutsy?
[09:25] <RivaeAerya> minimec: and is it a good thing that my card only supports the open-source drivers?
[09:25] <Blackgoth> Pici: never used ubuntu before gutsy, only debian
[09:25] <Blackgoth> and yes, it did work with debian
[09:25] <Pici> hm...
[09:26] <minimec> RivaeAerya: I can't say that. It works with a gutsy clean install out of the box in 3d mode. Do you want more?
[09:26] <RivaeAerya> minimec: nah :)
[09:26] <Blackgoth> Pici: does the output of v4l-info help you?
[09:27] <Pici> Blackgoth: I'm actually stepping away from the computer right now. Sorry :(
[09:27] <Blackgoth> heh okay :)
[09:34] <mikepj> This is the first time I've considered installing a beta of Ubuntu...  I was just curious what the update process is once the final version of Gibbon is released.  Would I just do an apt-get upgrade to get the final packages?
[09:34] <disasm> mikepj: usually a dist-upgrade is needed until it's stable
[09:35] <disasm> mikepj: just beware, your system may break, and your out of a system till you get it fixed
[09:35] <Yaroze> mikepj: i dont recommend upgrading any operatingsystem especially not Ubuntu :)
[09:35] <disasm> Yaroze: ??? Are you serious?
[09:35] <Yaroze> disasm: yes
[09:36] <Yaroze> better to reinstall
[09:36] <disasm> Yaroze: I have systems that I've been upgrading since debian potato in the late 90's ;-)
[09:36] <Yaroze> disasm: thats different :P
[09:36] <mikepj> Okay, this is just a spare test server I'm setting up, so it's not an upgrade from Feisty.  If I could just dist-upgrade packages, that would be pretty slick.
[09:36] <mnk> hello all - i have a problem with enabling desktop effects. before upgrading to gutsy i had beryl working fine so the hardware supports it. However, when i try to enable desktop effects now, i have no borders in my windows. it seems that there is no window manager enabled. could this be a previous config file or something? any help will be appreciated
[09:38] <RivaeAerya> will Gutsy have KDE 4?
[09:38] <disasm> mikepj: yeah, dist-upgrade works, a lot of the time you'll need to apt-get dist-upgrade; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:38] <mikepj> disasm:  Ahh, ok thanks for the tip.  I'll have to write this down.
[09:39] <disasm> mikepj: what I want to know is how easy it will be to dist-upgrade between LTS releases without going through the stages ;-)
[09:39] <mnk> does anyone know what could have caused the problem?
[09:39] <Blackgoth> arr i hate webcams!
[09:40] <darkhack> hello all
[09:40] <mikepj> Yeah, I really have no idea how I'll update my current machines to the next LTS.  I really hate having an updated OS in production, so I might just have to start fresh for each one.  Luckily, most of them are VMs
[09:41] <disasm> RivaeAerya: it looks like itVersion: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu26
[09:41] <disasm> or does that mean 3 is the official version
[09:41] <RivaeAerya> disasm: but KDE 4 will get released on 13 december or so... so how can it go into ubuntu on 18 october?
[09:41] <disasm> i don't know what the 4 means
[09:41] <Blackgoth> svn release :)
[09:41] <RivaeAerya> k
[09:41] <disasm> it won't then ;-)
[09:41] <Blackgoth> and they will just update it
[09:42] <RivaeAerya> Blackgoth: so Kubuntu Gutsy will have KDE 4?
[09:42] <RivaeAerya> !kde4
[09:42] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[09:42] <Blackgoth> maybe
[09:42] <disasm> RivaeAerya: I think 3.5.7 is the KDE release
[09:42] <mnk> could anyone help me?
[09:42] <Blackgoth> i dislike kde anyway :P
[09:42] <disasm> fluxbox > *
[09:43] <darkhack> not easy choosing between dke and gnone huh
[09:43] <disasm> mnk: does glxgears work? If so, not much I can do, I avoid the glitsy features like the plague
[09:43] <darkhack> kde I meant
[09:43] <Blackgoth> fluxbox is great on bsd, but hell on linux it just sucks!
[09:44] <disasm> darkhack: well, I'd take gnome over kde, but fluxbox blows em' all away ;-)
[09:44] <disasm> Blackgoth: what sucks about it?
[09:44] <RivaeAerya> disasm: why would you take gnome over kde?
[09:44] <darkhack> blackgoth, how do you describe your perfect linux distro?
[09:44] <darkhack> lol
[09:44] <Blackgoth> darkhack: cant :p
[09:44] <disasm> RivaeAerya: cause I like the interface better, all the apps I use are gtk based, etc...
[09:44] <RivaeAerya> disasm: hmm k
[09:44] <mnk> disasm: yeah glxgears works fine - as i said the hw supports it but for some reason when i try to enable desktop effects, all the borders for my windows disappear - ie there doesn't seem to be a window manager enabled or something.
[09:45] <disasm> and because I program gtk ;-)
[09:45] <Blackgoth> and it's just a feel i have, fluxbox just works better on bsd
fluxbox need a bit more work
[09:45] <darkhack> fluxbox need a bit more work or programmer
[09:45] <disasm> what work does it need? right click menu, hotkeys, virtual desktops, shading, what more does anyone need in a window manager?
[09:46] <darkhack> more apps
[09:47] <disasm> darkhack: what do apps have to do with managing windows?
[09:47] <disasm> i haven't come across an app that doesn't work in fluxbox
[09:47] <darkhack> Anyway, its been awhile since I mess with fluxbox, so I wouldn't know any now
[09:47] <darkhack> lol
[09:48] <darkhack> still, fluxbox is pretty sweet
[09:49] <darkhack> know any distro that would make it as a default desktop
[09:49] <mnk> does compiz use emerald?
[09:51] <darkhack> emerald is a themes manager but it does work with cpmpiz
[09:51] <riotkittie> fluxbuntu does
[09:51] <disasm> darkhack: it's not a desktop, but fluxbuntu ;-)
[09:52] <disasm> oh, and insert.cd ;-)
[09:52] <disasm> and DSL
[09:52] <darkhack> thanks for the info disasm
[09:52] <mnk> darkhack: why would my borders just disappear? would that be to do with the window manager or what? ie when i enable desktop effects
[09:52] <disasm> your welcome ;-)
[09:53] <minimec> mnk: You have to activate a plugin
[09:53] <mnk> mnk@mnk-desktop:/etc/gdm$ compiz --replace
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[09:53] <mnk> Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:0322 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present.
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for non power of two support: present.
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for Composite extension: present.
[09:53] <mnk> Comparing resolution (1600x1200) to maximum 3D texture size (4096): Passed.
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for nVidia: present.
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for FBConfig: present.
[09:53] <mnk> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[09:53] <mnk> Starting emerald
[09:53] <mnk> i have nvidia - do i have to use xgl? i don't get it
[09:53] <hylje> you dont
[09:54] <mnk> hmm
[09:54] <mnk> so what do i use then?
[09:56] <minimec> mnk: what default depth do you have in /etc/xorg.conf?
[09:56] <carl0s-> I'm testing the latest Gutsy beta on my Thinkpad T43p, and the screen is set to "Dim when idle", the only problem is that moving the mouse (i.e. becoming un-idle) doesn't undim the screen. I have to use the function keys on the laptop. Also, the brightness on-screen display slider bar doesn't move as it should. It just flickers and stays at the minimum, although it does actually alter the brightness. Are these known bugs?
[09:57] <mnk> minimec: 24
[09:58] <minimec> mnk: That's ok. And you did activate the decorations plugin in the compiz configuratioin?
[09:59] <enyc> wow! prevu looks like useful....  auto backporter system
[09:59] <Opspin> Is there an easy way to update a driver (wireless) to a never version without too much mucking about with terminal commands and kernel recompiling?
[09:59] <enyc> Opspin: hrrm depends on how driver works i guess
[09:59] <disasm> Opspin: what driver are you trying to update?
[10:00] <mnk> minimec: no i didn't - how do i do that pls?
[10:00] <enyc> Opspin: you should be able to build a newer_module against existing kernel, without recompiling the whole_kernel
[10:00] <mnk> minimec: u see, i had beryl installed when i was running gutsy - i thought compiz fusion would come by default in gutsy - but not sure what to do to make it work
[10:01] <minimec> mnk: Compiz is installed by default and activated ba default if the card supports the opensource driver in 3d.
[10:02] <minimec> mnk: The activation is don in the appearence settings of your Desktop Properties.
[10:03] <mnk> minimec: something weird happened - i just typed in beryl in a term and the cube worked - i could rotate the cube. but again, all my windows had no borders
[10:03] <Creationist> Has anyone successfully installed Compiz Fusion into Kubuntu Gutsy yet?  I've installed the "compiz" package, but it doesn't include window decorations.
[10:04] <minimec> mnk: Why do you talk about beryl now. what do you talk about.
[10:04] <mnk> minimec: no i want compiz fusion installed - but i tried beryl to see what happened. i used to have beryl working fine before the upgrade.
[10:05] <riotkittie> whats the benefit of fusion over compiz-unfusioned :P
[10:05] <riotkittie> no wait, i dont want to know.
[10:05] <mnk> minimec: and since the cube worked with beryl - but no window borders - it seems like there is no window manager working or something?
[10:05] <minimec> mnk read my post above. If you are on gusty, compiz-fusion is installed.
[10:05] <riotkittie> it is compiz-fusion?! all this time, i was thinking that i had compiz :o
[10:05] <AV1611> greeting to all! did anybody experience some kind of unusual things at the shutdown process like an yellow screen (after you'll command it to "Reboot")?
[10:06] <riotkittie> if the window decs arent showing up, try sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager ... im not sure if thats the proper name, if not compiz<tab tab>
[10:07] <riotkittie> you can enable the decoration plugin from that. maybe.
[10:07] <mnk> minimec: yes but how do i get it running?
[10:07] <mnk> minimec: when i enable desktop effects, the window borders all disappear
[10:07] <riotkittie> AV1611: i get a black and white stripey pattern when doing it from the GUI, and i think the CL as well but i'm not positive on that
[10:07] <minimec> mnk: read above.
[10:08] <mnk> minimec: i know gutsy comes with compiz fusion but i don't understand why the borders disappear
[10:08] <riotkittie> but mine were showing up from the start, so i'm not sure if you have an underlying issue that alone wont fix
[10:08] <minimec> mnk: Install compizconfig-settings-manager and activate the decoration-plugin.
[10:08] <mnk> aah ok minimec
[10:08] <mnk> thanks sorry i didn;t get that msg b4 - i dcd minimec
[10:09] <Creationist> hehe... running compiz --replace sure replaces everything alright.  I've lost window decorations AND my panel ;)
[10:10] <riotkittie> i feel so naked without compiz now
[10:10] <minimec> Creationist: Install compizconfig-settings-manager and activate the decoration-plugin. For the borders...
[10:10] <Creationist> riotkittie: Me too....
[10:10] <minimec> Creationist: The panel came back when I clicked the pace, the panel was.
[10:11] <riotkittie> it always struck me as fairly useless, but perhaps i was just bitter as i could never get it working myself :P but it really makes things easier
[10:12] <Creationist> minimec: Yeah, the Window Decorations plugin was already enabled.
[10:14] <mnk> woohooo
[10:14] <mnk> thanks minimec
[10:14] <mnk> it worked
[10:14] <mnk> :D
[10:14] <Creationist> mnk: You have Compiz working?
[10:14] <mnk> yeah Creationist
[10:14] <Creationist> mnk: How'd you do that?
[10:14] <mnk> just unchecj
[10:15] <mnk> uncheck the decoration-plugin
[10:15] <mnk> and then close it
[10:15] <mnk> and then check it again
[10:15] <minimec> Creationist: is emerald installed?
[10:15] <Creationist> minimec: Ah... nope.
[10:16] <minimec> Creationist: ;)
[10:16] <Creationist> And here I figured that would be included with Compiz (seeing how Compix REQUIRES it)
[10:16] <minimec> Creationist: It doesn't require it...
[10:16] <minimec> Creationist: You can use metacity deco...
[10:19] <Lynoure> Could someone with ati card but no fglrx currently try if #134476 happens to them too?
[10:19] <cliechti> i'm trying to restore my palm using the dialogs from the gpilot applet. it does something w/o error messages but is finshed after one second and nothing was installed on the device
[10:20] <Lynoure> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/134476 , I meant
[10:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134476 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Tribe 5: suspend hangs laptop" [High,Triaged] 
[10:21] <Lynoure> cliechti: and there is something to restore? I remember it was very easy to accidentally sync an empty palm so that the application also ends up empty, but that was with jpilot
[10:22] <Al1i> Anyone seen a problem with more than one scsi device on a bus not being seen by the kernel?
[10:23] <cliechti> Lynoure: the folder with the profile contains 335 files and i recognise the .prc/.pdb files i'd expect
[10:24] <Lynoure> cliechti: ok, that's good. I mostly use kpilot nowadays, so unfortunately I'm not much further help
[10:26] <dennda> there is no package in gutsy that contains emerald themes, is there?
[10:27] <DoYouKnow> emerald-themes in feisty
[10:27] <DoYouKnow> does that work?
[10:27] <DoYouKnow> try sudo apt-get install emerald-themes
[10:27] <cliechti> Lynoure: is the profile folder kept on PC compatible? i can install kpilot
[10:27] <dennda> DoYouKnow: try it yourself. it fails
[10:28] <Lynoure> cliechti: unfortunately I don't know. But if you have a copy elsewhere, worth trying.
[10:28] <cliechti> i have a package managment i dont mind installing and removing ;-)
[10:29] <DoYouKnow> dennda, don't have gutsy... still trying to determine if its worth the install at this point
[10:30] <cliechti> ok it isn't as easy. installing a KDE app does not give anything that works. looking at the console it misses some dcop stuff so i'd need to install kde base manually
[10:32] <Lynoure> cliechti: probably not worth it then...
[10:32] <barduck> hi, is there a version of wubi for 7.10 ?
[10:32] <Lynoure> cliechti: there might be #gpilot ?
[10:40] <Bieleke> good evening guys
[10:40] <Bieleke> i have a problem with apache2 and php5
[10:40] <Bieleke> seems my apache2 httpd.conf is empty ???
[10:41] <Bieleke> so the webserver won't load php files
[10:45] <sin1> how do you change the avant window navigator stack icon?
[10:47] <zeeble> hi. was trying to install msttcorefonts.. but doesnt work, because the fonts are apparently not on sf.net anymore. get a 403 error.. now each time i try to install any other package, apt waants to install msttcorefonts.. i tried removing it, and also using dpkg, but none works.
[10:48] <cliechti> Lynoure: nope there isnt on this server. silly enough i find documents that mention sync and the ability to restore but i do not find a single description on how restore actually works
[10:48] <aLeSD> hi all
[10:49] <cliechti> zeeble: what do you mean by removong does not work. is there an error message?
[10:49] <zeeble> yeah, wait
[10:49] <aLeSD> I'm tring to watch a dvd with the 7.10 but neither totem or vlc or mplayer can read it
[10:49] <cliechti> Bieleke: i think apache has now several conf files in a conf.d folder. and yes php seems to be a know issue, bet you find something in a good search engine
[10:50] <lieter> hi, i have an odd problem, my gdm background color is black, as is my background, desktopcube and skybox. but still when i log in i get the brownish window after login before the desktop appears, and i cant find out where that color is defined
[10:50] <aLeSD> the vlc output is libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[10:50] <aLeSD> ops
[10:50] <cliechti> aLeSD: copy protected DVDs need a descrambler, legaly only in some countries...
[10:50] <aLeSD> which is the name of the decrypting library ?
[10:50] <jussi01> !dvd | aLeSD
[10:50] <ubotu> aLeSD: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:51] <aLeSD> thanks
[10:51] <cliechti> ah one that knows the factoids :-)
[10:51] <nnonix> Anyone here notice slightly distorted playback in Rhythmbox?
[10:51] <zeeble> cliechti: see, either i try to do apt-get remove msttcorefonts, or dpkg --purge msttcorefonts, then it tries remove, but it exits with an error that says error in pre removal script -1
[10:51] <zeeble> and then it tries to get the files from sf.net
[10:54] <aLeSD> jussi01 cliechti : thanks
[10:55] <jussi01> :)
[10:56] <cliechti> zeeble: hm i dont have a correct solution for this. i'd probably edit that failing script putting an "exit" on the second line (as you're going to remove that package anyway)
[10:57] <zeeble> how do i find which script it is calling? :) it never says which file
[10:57] <cliechti> doesnt dpkg have some debug/verbose option?
[10:58] <zeeble> let me try that
[10:58] <cliechti> try -D 2 as option to dpkg
[10:58] <zeeble> ok
[11:12] <bernier> Hi, how can I , one day, get unbanned from #ubuntu?
[11:16] <crdlb> bernier, #ubuntu-ops
[11:16] <wabiD> bomb beta is only a 70mb upgrade for me today
[11:17] <wabiD> did having to click the desktop on boot, get fixed by its release
[11:23] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:23] <BockBilbo> any of you using amarok in gnome?
[11:23] <dug_> Anyone using truecrypt in gutsy?  I get 'fatal: module truecrypt not found. Failed to load TrueCrypt kernel module'
[11:24] <BockBilbo> well, it might be independent from the window manager, but it seens that the album art image isnt working
[11:24] <jmg> dug_: I am, works for me
[11:24] <Creationist> Couple of issues - 1) When running Compiz and starting Konversation, the "Server List" window pops up, but it is empty and will not let me close it.  2) Compiz is only showing that I have 2 desktops so I get only a single page when "rotating the cube" ... 2 sides, not 4.
[11:24] <dug_> maybe i should uninstall and reinstall or something
[11:24] <BockBilbo> when amarok discovers a new music album on my music directory, it gets the image from the mp3 file tags, but the image isnt showed right
[11:24] <BockBilbo> anyone has the same problem?
[11:24] <Creationist> dug_: That's usually the first step to take.  If a simple reinstall doesn't work, then remove the program with the --purge option.
[11:25] <wabiD> where is the default splash screen
[11:25] <bernier> Creationist: for the cube, go in general options, desktop size, and change horizontal desktop size to 4
[11:25] <bernier> all this in compizConfig settings manager
[11:26] <Creationist> bernier: That's how I remember it in Feisty too... but with Gutsy, there is no Desktop Size options.
[11:26] <dug_> well i uninstalled truecrypt and now I don't see it listed in synaptic package manager anymore to reinstall
[11:26] <wabiD> its under compiz options
[11:27] <Creationist> wabiD: Ahh... found it.  Thanks ;)
[11:27] <wabiD> i think it might be in more than one place though
[11:27] <wabiD> i know one is general > dekstop size
[11:27] <wabiD> yea that worked now i have 3
[11:27] <Creationist> Ooh... I like the triangle ;)
[11:28] <wabiD> i dont really like cube, wall seems very efficient
[11:28] <panosru> hi! i try to play a dvd but mplayer comes with error message says that missing libdvdcss but there is nothing like that in synaptic, in #ubuntu they told to check these links: 1) https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html 2) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages do i have to do something else because i'm on gutsy?
[11:28] <erichj> wabiD, i agree with you
[11:28] <Megaqwerty> Does anyone know if Gutsy works on a Macbook out of the box?
[11:29] <erichj> !dvd | panosru
[11:29] <ubotu> panosru: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:29] <panosru> oh ok so i will follow the same links #ubuntu gave me nothing changes on gutsy right?
[11:29] <erichj> just the repository
[11:29] <wabiD> its kinda weird that there is desktop plane, and desktop wall, they do the same thing
[11:30] <panosru> erichj, the repo is for feisty... its ok?
[11:30] <erichj> change the feisty part to gutsy
[11:30] <panosru> ok :D
[11:30] <panosru> thanks
[11:30] <erichj> seveas has a gutsy rep, don't know if everyone knows that though
[11:31] <panosru> the gpg parts remain the same?
[11:31] <erichj> yeah
[11:31] <panosru> cool
[11:31] <panosru> thanks mate
[11:31] <Creationist> Now, with Compiz running, how do I make my taskbar only show applications on the current desktop?  the Panel options don't seem to make any difference.
[11:31] <erichj> welcome
[11:32] <wabiD> id assume under cube settings
[11:32] <Creationist> wabiD: Yeah, I don't see it anywhere
[11:32] <wabiD> me either, sorry i stick to desktop wall
[11:34] <panosru> erichj, i get the error: http://mirror3.ubuntu.com/dists/gutsy-seveas/Release.gpg: Could not resolve 'mirror3.ubuntu.com'
[11:34] <LjL> that's because it doesn't quite exist
[11:34] <LjL> !seveas
[11:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!
[11:35] <LjL> hm
[11:35] <LjL> panosru: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/ this one for instance works
[11:36] <panosru> i just want to watch dvd :P lol
[11:36] <kyja> hey !!
[11:36] <kyja> where are the bunnies?
[11:36] <LjL> panosru: and i'm saying that mirror is down...
[11:36] <Megaqwerty> panosru: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:37] <Megaqwerty> panosru: they give copy-paste guide on enabling encrypted DVD playback
[11:37] <LjL> panosru: i'm not sure seveas has a Gutsy repo yet. can't find a mirror (even the ones that are up) that have it...
[11:37] <panosru> # 1.7.4.2 How to install DVD playback capability this?
[11:37] <Megaqwerty> yep
[11:38] <garu> hi everyone
[11:39] <garu> can someone tell me how do I install the compiz fusion configuration manager in gutsy gibbon beta?I'm on a live dvd.
[11:39] <kyja> thats disipointing :( not one bunny
[11:40] <Megaqwerty> kyja: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4350/rabbitpancakedf6.jpg
[11:41] <kyja> :) that makes my day.
[11:41] <bernier> Hi, when I log in ubuntu, my internet is often very slow until it fixes itself or I unplug, replug my modem anoyone knows why?
[11:41] <Megaqwerty> kyja: you're welcome :)
[11:41] <bram_> hello
[11:42] <bram_>  still no luck: i am running Gutsy Gibbon, but don't know where to add more desktops..(I have 2 now)
[11:42] <bernier> garu: sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:42] <bernier> I believe
[11:42] <Megaqwerty> bram_: more cube desktops, or like...regular desktops?
[11:42] <kyja> I vote that one of the future code names be bionic bunny
[11:42] <bernier> bram_ you havecompiz compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[11:42] <dug_> how do you enable desktop effects in gutsy now that the control panel is gone?
[11:43] <garu> bernier humn...that command would also try to install compiz...in gutsy, it should be installed by default, the only thing that can be installed in fusion, is the configuration manager!
[11:43] <bram_> regular desktops,  there is 2 now, i have ccsm installed( can't find it there?)
[11:43] <bram_> a pathetic cube now  ;)
[11:43] <panosru> thanks! works! :D
[11:43] <Megaqwerty> bram_: It's in General Options
[11:43] <bernier> garu: yeah sorry my mistake
[11:43] <bernier> garu: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:43] <Megaqwerty> bram_: under Horizontal virtual size
[11:44] <garu> bernier i'v tried that, it's giving me a weird error
[11:44] <Megaqwerty> bram_: (which is in the "Desktop Size" tab)
[11:44] <bernier> pastebin them to me
[11:44] <bram_> ok.., hold on( would i be that stupid?)
[11:45] <bram_> I AM that stupid, thanks a bunch!
[11:45] <bernier> loll
[11:45] <bernier> you had update manager open?
[11:45] <garu> humn...bernier nah...not a problem...sorted out
[11:45] <garu> bernier thanks anywayz...
[11:45] <dug_> how do you enable desktop effects in gutsy now that the control panel is gone?
[11:45] <garu> has anyone had any problems with the beta version?
[11:46] <bernier> garu, not me and i've been using it since the beginning
[11:47] <garu> bernier humn...i'v been away from it for quite a while.lol...been using some other distros, sabayon and pclinuxos, was just waiting for the gutsy release :)
[11:47] <bernier> garu: same for me, i'm back from PCBSD :P
[11:47] <garu> dug_ go to systems -> prefferences -> Appearance.There u should be a tab for the desktop effects
[11:48] <garu> bernier I like sabayon because of the challenge.lol...but, been using pclinux and ubuntu as well
[11:49] <Creationist> Anyone know how I can install a printer that was listed in Feisty but NOT in Gutsy?
[11:53] <erichj> I updated the wiki page I maintain for the acer 5610z to account for Gutsy. If anyone is interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5610z
[11:54] <Megaqwerty> Does anyone know if Gutsy works on a Macbook out of the box?
[11:54] <Artimus> What's the command to update to Gutsy from Feisty?  update-manager -d says "Not all updates can be installed"
[11:55] <erichj> don't think you can do a dist-upgrade yet
[11:55] <Artimus> I've been told not to do a dist-upgrade.  What am I supposed to do?
[11:55] <erichj> download beta iso, burn, install
[11:56] <Artimus> ...
[11:56] <erichj> or wait the 15 days for final release and then do the dist-upgrade
[11:56] <Vegar> How can I modify NetworkManager's preferred networks list?
[11:56] <Artimus> erichj: I'm willing to try it.  I need to switch back to 64-bit anyway...
[11:56] <Artimus> (forcing update manager to try it, not the beta cd)
[11:58] <Creationist> Now, with Compiz running, how do I make my taskbar only show applications on the current desktop?  the Panel options don't seem to make any difference.
[11:58] <erichj> you are going to fark your install trying to force an upgrade.
[11:58] <Artimus> erichj: I'm willing to try it.  I'm reinstalling anyway.
[11:58] <erichj> right now i think the only way to do it though is to change all your reps from feisty to gutsy
[11:58] <Artimus> Did that...
[11:59] <Creationist> Artimus: It's a waste of time to try it - screwing up your system is guaranteed....
[11:59] <Artimus> Screw it, GUI updates scare me.  I'll take my chances with dist-upgrade.
[11:59] <erichj> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:59] <Creationist> Artimus: If you're reinstalling anyway, just do a fresh one.
[11:59] <erichj> listen to Creationist
[11:59] <Creationist> ...or you'll end up doing it twice.
[11:59] <Artimus> Creationist: I did it before with dist-upgrade.  Only had issues with bluetooth.
[11:59] <Creationist> Artimus: That wasn't Gutsy, though ;)
[11:59] <Artimus> Yes, it was
[12:00] <Artimus> Feisty->Gutsy a week and a half ago
[12:00] <Creationist> ahh... so you've done it before, yet you came to ask how to do it?
[12:00] <Creationist> Okay.... well, best of luck to you then :)
[12:00] <Artimus> Someone told me there was a "nicer" way to do it with Update Manager
[12:00] <erichj> yeah, there will be for final
[12:00] <Artimus> ahh, got ya.
[12:00] <Creationist> Nicer than "only had issues with bluetooth?" lol
[12:01] <erichj> heh
[12:01] <Artimus> I only had to remove one package by hand...
[12:01] <Creationist> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  If it worked for you one way, do it that way again.  That's my advice.
[12:01] <Artimus> Nevermind, it will take me two hours to download the updates.  I can get the CD in that time.
[12:02] <erichj> i don't take chances anyway. i backup everything, then wipe it and do a clean install. no sense in running the risk of having to install twice
[12:02] <IndyGunFreak> why will it take you 2hrs to et the cd?... dial up?
[12:02] <Creationist> erichj: Not only that, but like Artimus said, it would take twice as long to do an upgrade than to simply spend the half hour to do a fresh install.
[12:03] <Artimus> erichj: Backup what?  My data has its own partitions.  Important stuff is mirrored.
[12:03] <Artimus> IndyGunFreak: Sorry, less than two hours.  The idea being, mirror is sort of slow, Torrent is quite fast.
[12:03] <Creationist> Artimus: Then what's the problem with doing a fresh install?  I'm so confused... you don't seem to have any reason to want to do an upgrade.  It's dangerous, it takes a lot longer, and well, it's dangerous. :)
[12:04] <IndyGunFreak> Artimus: thats what i was thinking, the torrents are generally pretty fast for me.. around 5-600k, which maxes out my connection
[12:04] <Artimus> Creationist: Let me try again.  "I forgot my box is 32-bit, I want 64-bit.  I was going to just upgrade to Feisty, but I realized that I'm going to have to boot an installer CD to install 64-bit Ubuntu anyway.  I forgot the whole 32bit part"
[12:04] <Creationist> I remember when I first started with Linux a year ago, I never created a separate /home partition... man, I reinstalled about 30 times too (literally).
[12:04] <darkhack> has the dup desktop and documents folder on the places menu fix
[12:05] <Artimus> My /home is mirrored over two drives every night...
[12:05] <Creationist> Artimus: If you have a 32-bit system, why would you try to install a 64-bit OS?
[12:05] <Artimus> Creationist: 32-bit OS, 64-bit box.
[12:05] <Creationist> Artimus: Ah... you said you box was 32-bit ;)
[12:05] <erichj> i back everything up to network drives. i only have to backup things that haven't been on my computer for more than 5 hours
[12:05] <Artimus> I had this Ubuntu install running in VMware for a while (using direct disk access)
[12:06] <darkhack> <  first linux I tried was 19995 or so with red hat
[12:06] <darkhack> boy, that was a pain
[12:06] <darkhack> lol
[12:06] <IndyGunFreak> is 64bit Gutsy going to overcome some of hte issues 64bit Feisty had?
[12:06] <IndyGunFreak> like browser plugins, etc?
[12:07] <Artimus> I'd be happy if I could have flash working in Gutsy.
[12:07] <Artimus> 64-bit Gutsy
[12:07] <IndyGunFreak> !flash64
[12:07] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[12:07] <Artimus> It works great in 32-bit Feisty.  Konqueror+NSPluginwrapper+Flash means no sound...
[12:07] <Creationist> I think the very first time I tried Linux was in 1997-98... and I chose Gentoo because the logo looked friendly ;)  Yeah, didn't go back to Linux until Daper.
[12:07] <Creationist> Dapper*
[12:07] <Artimus> (in 64-bit)
[12:08] <IndyGunFreak> i've never done it, but i always figured its kinda silly to have a 64bit OS, if you're gonna jump through the hoops to make 32bit things work.. so i just stick with 32.
[12:09] <rjek> I don't jump through hoops, and I appreciate the performance benefits of using AMD64.
[12:09] <Artimus> I hate 386 packages...  I'm guessing the -march settings for 64-bit packages make more of a difference than 64-bit...
[12:09] <IndyGunFreak> rjek: i didn't really see much difference, other than things that didn't work.
[12:09] <Artimus> Please tell me there's some sort of -march set for Ubuntu packages in x86_64...
[12:09] <darkhack> <  windows is such a pain in tha a$$
[12:10] <rjek> Creationist: Interesting.  Gentoo wasn't around in 1998.
[12:10] <habtool> Hi There, is tracker search enabled by default in Nautilus for gutsy (for tagging etc. )
[12:10] <rjek> (Version 1.0 was 2002, what Gentoo developed from (Enouch or something) was very early 2000.
[12:11] <darkhack> rjek gotta point
[12:11] <darkhack> I don't remember gentoo in 97 or 98
[12:12] <Artimus> Come on little torrent...  Keep going faster
[12:13] <Artimus> Should have known Kubuntu Gutsy wouldn't be as fast (download wise)
[12:21] <dougb> are the servers unavailable for updating?
[12:22] <Vegar> no, I just upgraded
[12:23] <dougb> hmm
[12:23] <dougb> its not working for me
[12:28] <tapas> i wonder: does the -rt kernel not have nvidia modules available?
[12:29] <tapas> [as restricted module] 
[12:34] <grahal> I used displayconfig-gtk without success and then tried to manually changed xorg.conf. What happens is that GDM screen comes up with the correct resolution that I chose but when I log it, the screen is changed to a lower rate setting. It seems like for some reason, when I logging "something" reads a different configuration file and reapplies the setting... am I making sense? :)
[12:35] <ReL1K> where can you change the themes in gutsy gnome? want to change desktop icons and such..
[12:35] <ReL1K> normally themes in gnome manager, didn't see it
[12:35] <grahal> System->Preferences->Appearance(literal translation not sure about the name)?
[12:36] <grahal> ReL1K: ^
[12:36] <ReL1K> thnx
[12:38] <ray_> how i get #Automatix for 7.10?
[12:38] <jmg> !automatix > ray_
[12:39] <ray_> link not working
[12:39] <ray_> in bot jmg
[12:41] <jmg> ray_: the gist of it is dont use it
[12:43] <ray_> hi
[12:46] <ray_> how i put back a backed up source list
[12:46] <ray_> whats the commande
[12:46] <ReL1K> anyone know where i can install new themes from? like get some new ones?
[12:46] <ray_> never did this one
[12:46] <ReL1K> for gutsy?
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> gnome-look.org
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> kde-look.org for kde
[12:46] <ray_> any help
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: any version
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> ray_: with what?
[12:47] <WorkingOnWise> Hi all. I am waiting for Gutsy, and then I plan on going to it full time. In order to be able to do it, I will need to run Windows Xp in a qemu because I use several office 2007 apps for my business. My laptop has a Turion x2 cpu and 2gb of ram, so I should have the power. My question is this. will I get better performance from running gutsy x64, and then emulate an x86 machine for xp, or run gutsy x86. In the future, w
[12:47] <WorkingOnWise> hen the prices drop, I intend on installing 8gb of ram, which will mandate an x64 install, but till then, where's the most bang for the buck?
[12:47] <rgl> hi
[12:47] <ReL1K> im on gnome-look.org, when i go to install a theme package, doesn't recognize i
[12:47] <ReL1K> them
[12:47] <LjL> rgl: http://releases.ubuntu.com
[12:47] <ray_> nosrednaekim i backed up my source listneed to repkace it with backed up one
[12:47] <ray_> how do i\
[12:47] <ray_> nevert did this
[12:47] <ReL1K> for icon themes
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: x86 would be better for you as a starting user
[12:47] <alpopel> what do i have to change in the source.list for getting gusty?
[12:48] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  see my q
[12:48] <rgl> LjL, ah much better!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ only mentions the dvd.  thx!
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[12:48] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> ray_: no..I didn
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> t
[12:48] <alpopel> !upgrade
[12:48] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  see above pls
[12:48] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, x86 as the host?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> ray_: I joined late
[12:48] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  i posted it agen
[12:48] <ray_> when was in room
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: yeah. I have a turion X2 as well, and I am running 64 bit. But its not easy
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> ray_: oh... ok.
[12:49] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  i backed up my source listneed to repkace it with backed up one
[12:49] <ray_> i never did this
[12:49] <ray_> replace
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> ray_: do this "sudo cp /path/to/old/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:50] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  i dont know were it put it old one
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: performance really itsn't that noticable.
[12:50] <ray_> if ran back up command
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> ray_: what back-up command did you use?
[12:50] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  hold oib
[12:51] <savvas> !cdimage
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdimage - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <savvas> heh
[12:51] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, I'm not a guru, but I have run linux off and on for many years, so  I can get around ok. What problems do you find with your box?
[12:52] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  this one rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[12:52] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  that one
[12:52] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, long term, I'll need x64 Ubuntu so I can give xp 2gb of ram and still let Ubuntu run with at least 2gb.
[12:53] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  see what put in
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: ussually, the base OS works fine. its flash plugins, and such things as that.
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> ray_: ummm thats not good.
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !autogen
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autogen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !sources.list
[12:53] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[12:53] <ray_> what mean how i restore the one woith this
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> !EasySource | ray_
[12:53] <ubotu> ray_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> ray_: I think you removed it.
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> make a new one with the above tool
[12:54] <ray_> how i get new one
[12:54] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, lol...still chasing the browser stuff on x64! The solution I had in mind for that is surf with FF in xp till that stuff is worked out for x64
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: that works :)
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> ray_: see above
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> what ubotu told you
[12:55] <ReL1K> what shoul di download for themes gtk 2 themes?
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: #gnome
[12:56] <ray_> nosrednaekim,  ok how i add it
[12:56] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, that way, I can stay in Ubuntu and not have to flip back and forth. Never thought I'd see the day I'd be seriously preping to run 2 OS's on one pc, that only weight 6lbs!
[12:56] <ray_> i made it
[12:56] <tate> Has anyone gotten a working nvidia driver out of synaptic yet or do we still have to install the package from NVidia's website?
[12:57] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, so your only real issues in x64 are plugins?
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> ray_: run "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" erase anything that is in there at the moment. then paste in that it gave you
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: I THINK so.
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> yeah. thats all.
[12:57] <minimec> nosrednaekim: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:57] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, lol! Gotcha!
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> minimec: yeah?
[12:58] <savvas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: curious...what is your laptop model?
[12:58] <minimec> nosrednaekim: <ctrl>v <ctrl>s
[12:58] <minimec> nosrednaekim: Try it ;)
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> minimec: umm? do you have the right nick?
[12:58] <savvas> for whoever needs plugins
[12:58] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, do you use beryl? Is that pretty stable for you on x64?
[12:58] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, don't laugh, k?
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: yeah... anything open source is stable on AMD64
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: totally stable... and I have an ATI card too
[12:58] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, Averatech 7170
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: ok, does it have an nvidia or an ATI?
[12:59] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, sweet on the stable with an ati! Mine has Nvidia. Made sure of that after the headaches of ati on my last HP lappy
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: you're good to go then :)
[01:01] <ray_> ty nosrednaekim
[01:01] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, So I'll be able to make xp run circles around the Ubuntu desktop!
[01:01] <savvas> have ati's drivers improved or?
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> savvas: yeah... they have ... very much
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> (i'[m not running the improved ones though)
[01:01] <savvas> good to hear :)
[01:01] <WorkingOnWise> wel, cubes anyhow!
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: lol
[01:02] <WorkingOnWise> I'll have to make a video and send it to billy boy! Ty nosrednaekim
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> NP... if you have any problems... come back :)
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: just as sec,,
[01:03] <WorkingOnWise> My birthday is Oct 18, the same day gutsy is final. by then I'll have my new madwifi friendly wifi card in, and be ready to rock!
[01:04] <WorkingOnWise> nosrednaekim, k
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> WorkingOnWise: take a look at this link and see if anyone else has had any problems with your computer
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/averatec.html
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> alright.. I have to go.., have fun.
[01:04] <WorkingOnWise> thanks
[01:05] <savvas> who would've known.. compiz eats up only 40mb hehe
[01:06] <savvas> I bet a pc with 256mb ram could take it smoothly running
[01:08] <erichj> my monitor shows compiz 96Kb, compiz-real 6.5MB
[01:09] <savvas> LjL: are you the admin of ubuntu-nl.org? source-o-matic reports wrong countries. Serbia and Montenegro are now separate Serbia and separate Montenegro, Serbia has rs.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <LjL> savvas: no, i'm not, but i'll let the admin know.
[01:09] <savvas> ok thanks
[01:11] <savvas> erichj: maybe it increases with the amount of open windows, no idea, I have enabled/disabled some extra plugins as well