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r3m0tI have /etc/wpa_supplicant/01:20
timstokmanlooking for the .conf01:21
timstokmanhmm, then it must have moved01:21
timstokmandamm01:21
timstokmanthnx anyway01:21
smallfoot-shouldnt Ubuntu have a "safe-mode" option?01:22
r3m0tsafe enough for what?01:22
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bjb1959I had ubuntu gutsy up and running with the latest driver and compiz-fusion working except that the system would freeze after about 30 minutes of inactivity. I read that disabling dpms in xorg and at the bios level would help but it didn't so I tried to downgrade my driver to 1.0-9755 and that is when the problem started. now I can't get the restricted driver to work.... help01:23
aLeSDI'm sorry : if I set custom effects .. nothing happen ... and if I close and reopen the window I find the extra option set01:23
smallfoot-r3m0t, if ubuntu dont work normally01:25
timsevesAnyone tried to boot Gutsy LiveCD over PXE?01:25
r3m0tsmallfoot-: there's the "recovery mode" option in GRUB that brings you to single-user mode, without graphics. what else did you want?01:26
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smallfoot-r3m0t, didnt know about "recovery mode", how do i get to it?01:26
r3m0tsmallfoot-: when you boot up, wait for "Stage 1.5 loading" and "Press ESC to enter menu" and you have about 3 seconds to press ESC01:27
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riotkittiesafe mode. oye vey.01:27
smallfoot-oh01:27
twodekoanyone having issues with the gutsy beta installer CD?  mine makes it to the default brown background with a mouse and then hangs, and i eventually lose my display01:27
smallfoot-r3m0t, when im in "recovery mode", am i inside grub or ubuntu?01:27
bjb1959I had ubuntu gutsy up and running with the latest driver and compiz-fusion working except that the system would freeze after about 30 minutes of inactivity. I read that disabling dpms in xorg and at the bios level would help but it didn't so I tried to downgrade my driver to 1.0-9755 and that is when the problem started. now I can't get the restricted driver to work.... help01:27
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r3m0tsmallfoot-: ubuntu01:28
twodekoi have tried the safe video mode as well, no luck01:28
smallfoot-cool01:28
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bjb1959Can anyone help me?01:29
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sobersabregnomefreak: is "command-not-found" - a bash builtin ?01:32
gnomefreakno01:32
gnomefreak!info command-not-found01:32
ubotucommand-not-found: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. In component main, is standard. Version 0.2.8ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 96 kB01:32
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Vorianhmm01:38
agroker how to switch off the loud system beep under GG (I do not have X yet)?01:38
Vorianazureus keeps crashing01:38
kitcheagroker: either rmmod pcspkr or add an option to your .bashrc01:38
sobersabreok, why did you call it a "builtin" then ?01:38
jribagroker: set bell-style none01:39
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sobersabrefor me a "builtin" is something that has no executable file. like "echo"01:39
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sobersabre( as opposed to "echo" which is in /bin/echo )01:39
kitchejrib: ah that is it :)01:39
jribin .inputrc01:39
agrokerkitche, thanks01:39
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MarcCanybody using Kubuntu Gutsy?01:40
sobersabreMarcC: what is the question ?01:41
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agrokerjrib, sorry, do I type it in the shell?01:41
MarcCsobersabre: I'd like to know if you can change the target gamma through KControl Display Settings in Kubuntu Gutsy, or if that bug still exists?01:41
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jribagroker: in ~/.inputrc01:42
sobersabreMarcC: you can refer to package revision history.01:42
agrokerjrib, oic, thanks01:42
sobersabreI don't know exactly.01:42
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MarcCsobersabre: thank you, where can I find the revision history?01:42
jribagroker: typing works temporarily01:43
sobersabreeach package has a maintainer. each new version has a release note, which often has "revision log", "changes" etc.01:43
sobersabreI must leave.01:43
sobersabregood night.01:43
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brandon_has anybody gotten the nvidia driver to work?01:50
gnomefreakMarcC: changelog are on LP and in the source package.01:51
gnomefreakbrandon_: yes easy01:51
gnomefreakbrandon_: restricted-manager01:51
brandon_gnomefreak: version mismatch01:51
gnomefreakupgrade huh?01:51
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gnomefreakversion mismatch on drivers or the r-m01:52
aLeSDbrandon_: me01:52
brandon_gnomefreak: it worked after i upgraded to gutsy. it stopped working a couple of days ago01:52
gnomefreakbrandon_: if you used envy or got the drivers from nvidia.com in the past than you need to remove anything that envy or nvidia.sh built01:53
gnomefreakbrandon_: or make sure you are booted to the kernel that the drivers were installed for01:53
brandon_gnomefreak: i used envy in the past, but not with the gutsy kernels, so i don't see why anything envy built should still be around01:54
gnomefreakthose are most common issues with that error01:54
gnomefreakbrandon_: you used it in feisty?01:54
brandon_yes01:54
gnubuntu11i get an error with xrandr in xgl session: X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)01:54
gnomefreakbrandon_: ubuntu cant upgrade the restricted-modules envy built hence the version mismatch01:54
brandon_well, which packages should i get rid of to purge the envy modules?01:55
gnomefreakbrandon_: you need to remove them not sure how you are gonna do that without knowing how it was built. envy uses nvidia.sh drivers and they build thier own kernel modules and that is the reason for error01:55
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gnomefreakbrandon_: you need to FIND where they are if you can tell the differnece. notice find is capped. that is a command to use01:56
gnomefreakbtw for further info01:56
threethirtyhello all01:56
gnomefreak!envy01:56
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!01:56
brandon_greeeat01:57
gnomefreakno it not a joke01:57
gnomefreakbrandon_: do you have envy installed01:57
gnomefreakmight have a way01:57
brandon_right now i do01:57
gnomefreakbrandon_: good01:57
|rgunn|hey all have you experienced greatly increased delays after login to displaying a ready desktop after upgrading to gutsy?01:57
brandon_yeah i know it has a "remove nvidia driver" option01:57
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gnomefreakbrandon_: i heard the maintainer added a way to remove nvidia drivers and kernel modules please look into that (try the website)01:58
gnomefreakbrandon_: but it wont remove the modules01:58
brandon_i don't understand that01:59
gnomefreakbrandon_: see the website for more info. the easiest messiest way is to reinstall (but you will have better results)01:59
gnomefreakgive me a sec01:59
gnomefreakNOTE: Envy does NOT REMOVE your RESTRICTED MODULES ANY MORE. Therefore you can use it even if you connect to the Internet through your wireless card.01:59
brandon_the nvidia driver is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers is it not?02:00
gnomefreakthat is a hint not to use it02:00
gnomefreakbrandon_: the kernel modules arnt afaik02:00
gnomefreakscrew nvidia modules02:00
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gnomefreakyou want the kernel modules02:00
brandon_well the kernels i was using in feisty aren't here anymore, and i haven't used envy on gutsy02:01
gnomefreakas we install linux-restricted-modules well using the script installs thier own02:01
gnomefreakbrandon_: the modules not the kernel02:01
aLeSDhow to configure the compiz-fusion effects02:01
aLeSD'02:01
gnomefreakWARNING: you will have to remove the driver you installed with Envy before upgrading Debian or Ubuntu to a newer release (e.g. upgrading Ubuntu Edgy to Ubuntu Feisty or Debian Etch to Debian Lenny)02:01
aLeSD?02:01
brandon_what should i look for with the find command?02:01
gnomefreak^^^ also for ubuntu versions02:02
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fluffleshi people, trying to use Remote Desktop on 7.10, but it seems it listens only on IPv6 ("tcp6" in netstat) and not on IPv4 ("tcp"). is this a firewall issue or what?02:02
gnomefreaknvidia-kernel-modules nvidia-resticted-modules im not sure i never used it02:02
gnomefreakbrandon_: last time i used upstream drivers was dapper devel period give or take02:03
gnomefreakfluffles: are you on ipv6 bychance?02:03
brandon_oh, it's no problem to remove those packages02:03
gnomefreakbrandon_: keep looking i dont remember the name of them02:04
flufflesgnomefreak: it shows an IPv6 listening socket, but the rest of my network is IPv4, including the DHCP server02:04
gnomefreakfluffles: ok you said you were not on ipv4 thats why i asled02:04
flufflesi've searched google on this, some think its a firewall issue02:04
gnomefreakasked02:04
flufflesthough my iptables appear empty (though the command responds)02:04
gnomefreakbrandon_: how did you upgrade02:05
threethirtyis there a way to add more virtual desktops, two just isn't cutting it02:06
brandon_you mean from feisty to gutsy?02:06
gnomefreaktheyes look in compiz configure02:06
threethirtygutsy02:06
gnomefreakbrandon_: i mean with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or gksudo update-manager -d02:07
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brandon_upgrade and dist-upgrade both after altering sources.list to gutsy repos02:07
gnomefreakthis is more important than you can imagine02:07
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gnomefreakbrandon_: :(02:07
gnomefreaki put all this time into getting update-manager to do the work for everyone and noone reads the docs on how to upgrade02:08
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gunnythreethirty: compiz config manager general options , desktop size??02:08
jmggnomefreak: i thought it only did it when the new release was out02:08
brandon_gnomefreak: i also run updatemanager -c -d every day02:08
gnomefreakbrandon_: can you post the 3 files in /var/log/dist-upgrade02:08
gunnygnomefreak: thats if your using compiz02:08
gnomefreakjmg: no -d is developemnt02:08
gnomefreakgunny: if not its still in gconf02:09
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gnomefreakgconf-editor02:09
gnomefreakeither way02:09
gunnythreethirty: soz wrong target02:09
gnomefreakbrandon_: nevermind i already have them for mvo02:10
threethirtygunny: im using the compiz manager that comes default, i should have said that before02:10
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gnomefreakbrandon_: if you dont need linux-restricted-modules to stay connected try to remove them see if it gets rid of nvidias also. there is a risky way that might just work02:11
brandon_unfortunately i use an atheros based wifi card02:12
gunnythreethirty: so you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager02:12
gnomefreakbrandon_: if feeling risky download upstream drivers and run them once they built nad replace the other ones run the uninstaller (read docs first)02:12
gnomefreakbrandon_: ^^^ should help02:12
gnomefreakbut risky as in if you dont read docs your in same state or worse if you read docs it still may not work like a charm but it should work02:13
threethirtygunny: the last time i did that I had to reinstall, some plug-in when crazy and was locking my system up, so i guess i8m going to have to deal with two02:13
gunnythreethirty: that will become available under System/Prefs/Advanced Desktop Effects02:13
gnomefreakill bbl02:13
gunnythreethirty: works ok for me fingers crossed02:13
brandon_gnomefreak: how do you mean 'upstream drivers'?02:14
threethirtygunny: mine we crossed when i installed it, i really just wanted the fish in the cube02:14
gnomefreaknvidia.com02:15
brandon_gnomefreak: no, i'm staying with what's in the repos02:16
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gnomefreakbrandon_: no your not02:16
kitchethreethirty: that is aquarium or something like that02:16
gnomefreakbrandon_: it errors you need to remove the damn modules installing upstream drivers atleast they allow you to remove the modules02:17
gnomefreakthan your all fixed :)02:17
threethirtykitche: i couldn't keep the system running long enough to find it02:17
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gnomefreakbut do as you wish just keep in mind ubuntu does not support envy nor nvidia.com drivers so your problem is not ubuntu related get intouch with the envy maintainer and ask him how to remove them02:18
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gnomefreakgood night02:19
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databuddynext gen ipod help plz...02:21
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kitchedatabuddy: good luck with getting it to work don't think programs can really use the new ipods yet02:22
gunnythreethirty: i dont think that plugin (aquarium) is included by default02:23
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josh__!ntfs02:37
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse02:37
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nosrednaekimok... the fglrx driver made my computer uncapable of suspending.02:37
josh__hey, whats up with the ntfs support in 7.10?02:38
nosrednaekimand ideas on how to fix it/see exactly what is wrong?02:38
nosrednaekimjosh__: I hear there is full r/w support02:38
josh__interesting...02:38
nosrednaekimyalp02:39
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bkudriai have a strange problem - none of my KDE apps can access anything over http:// .  firefox works fine, and ftp:// in konqueror works well also, just http (and https).  what might be wrong?  i'm running the latest gutsy...02:41
nosrednaekimbkudria: your netowork manager is telling all KDE apps that you do not have internet access02:42
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bkudrianosrednaekim: really?  ftp access works fine...02:44
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nosrednaekimbkudria: odd...02:45
bkudriayes, very, but it seems you're right!  killing knetworkmanager makes everything work02:45
bkudriathank you thank you!02:45
bkudriai spent very much time with this problem02:46
bkudriai guess it only restricts http and not anything else02:46
nosrednaekimI guess os.02:46
nosrednaekim*so02:46
bkudriai guess i'll try to get knetwork manager to work, but it's alwas been a bit quirky for me02:47
nosrednaekimbkudria: do you have wireless?02:47
bkudriayes02:47
nosrednaekimah ok... otherwise its not neccesary02:47
bkudriabut even with a wired connection it shows me as disconnected02:47
bkudriahow would i go about resetting the config and letting it rediscover everything?02:47
bkudriahmm, started it again, but everything still works02:48
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nosrednaekimbkudria: thats good. there is a way to tell all kde apps to ignore it, but I forget how.02:49
bkudriaok, thanks, i'll keep playing with it02:49
bkudriathanks a lot!02:50
CarlFKis the feisty installation-guide-i386 somewhere online?02:51
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pvhI've just installed a fresh Gutsy on my laptop and I'd like to get the external monitors working.02:53
CarlFKoh yeah, gutsy installation-guide-i38602:54
pvhI've taken a look at some of the discussion out there and it looks like xRandR might be a good way to go for me. Am I barking up the right tree?02:54
CarlFKpvh: I think that is vid card dependent02:54
pvhOh, my graphics card is an ATI Radeon X1600 Mobility.02:54
CarlFKI know for nvidia I had to use the binary driver02:55
CarlFKbut I haven't looked at that in over a year, so maybe the stock drivers will do it02:56
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TQuidAnyone else noticing that google toolbar's bookmarks doesn't work? is this specific to gutsy or should I go yell at google?03:06
nomasteryodaewww,  you use that thing?03:07
nomasteryodajk03:07
nomasteryodahave not tried it03:07
PirateHeadI'm having trouble with X on my Gutsy install. When it tries to start, it just sits there and displays abolsutely nothing to the screen. As in, the screen is black as if the computer were turned off. Anybody got a suggestion?03:08
TQuidThe central bookmark storage is handy for me. Yes, I'm a google whore. I hang my head in shame.03:08
gunnyanyone experiencing much longer delay after login to having the desktop ready after upgrade from fesity to gutsy?03:08
nomasteryodalol03:08
TQuidPirateHead, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm) stop and then run startx from a console, see what it says.03:08
TQuidgunny, I had been but it got faster again last night after an update.03:09
TQuidOh, wait, i'm not an upgrader, installed gutsy to begin with. Nevermind.03:09
gunnyTQuid: mine is so much slower than it was under feisty03:09
nomasteryodai use google's iGoogle03:09
TQuidOh boy! New kernel image!03:09
nomasteryodaya joy!03:09
PirateHeadTQuid: startx does not say anything. It simply goes black.03:09
TQuidOK, now do ctl-alt-backspace and you should have some goo in your console.03:10
gunnyTQuid: and I ave upgraded everything03:10
nomasteryodaPirateHead, ubuntu or kubuntu?03:10
nomasteryodaPirateHead, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart for kubuntu or gdm for ubuntu03:10
PirateHeadTQuid: I can still use CTRL+ALT+F# to switch to a different terminal, though. This is on Ubuntu Gusty Beta.03:10
pvhCarlFK: so should xrandr let me enable and disable screens?03:11
nomasteryodathen use gdm03:11
Xeros/Gusty/Gutsy03:11
PirateHeadI did use gdm.03:11
LaibschThe latest update crashed and upon reboot I am stuck with some dpkg trouble: http://rafb.net/p/nWavKO47.html03:11
PirateHeadThen I tried startx. Then it did the same thing again.03:11
LaibschAnybody know how to fix this?03:11
Laibschdpkg --configure -a does nothing03:11
nomasteryodasudo dpkg --configure -a03:12
LaibschAny of the other tricks don't seem to do the magic either.03:12
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Laibschnomasteryoda: So the line just above yours03:12
Laibschnomasteryoda: See the line just above yours03:12
nomasteryodak03:12
nomasteryodaPirateHead, you did "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"?03:13
PirateHeadnomasteryoda: correct.03:13
nomasteryodaok, so PirateHead you have an nvidia video card?03:13
PirateHeadAs a side note, I'm using KDE on SUSE currently so I don't expect you to be able to answer this, but how to you shutdown SKIM?03:14
PirateHeadHow do I tell which video card I have?03:14
nomasteryodahow about killall -9 SKIM?03:14
nosrednaekimPirateHead: "lspci"03:14
nomasteryodalspci03:14
nosrednaekimWOW! gutsy improved my audio quality by leaps and bounds!!03:14
nosrednaekimWOWWWW!!!03:14
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PirateHeadlspci isn't available on SUSE, so I don't know.03:15
nomasteryodasuper03:15
nomasteryodaerr yes it is03:15
nomasteryodasu /sbin/lspci should run it03:15
PirateHeadah. It just didn't do it when I typed lspci and nothign else03:15
nomasteryodait does i mean .... unless they just dropped it in past month03:15
nomasteryodaya03:16
TQuidTime to reboot into new kernel. If I don't come back, tell mom I love her.03:16
nomasteryodathey went the evil route of protecting the user from sbins03:16
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yell0whey guys, i'm running a compaq with ati x200 fglrx on gutsy. how should i get the function key to switch to external display ?03:17
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nosrednaekimyell0w: that doesn't work for me either.... I don't think the function switch works in Linux03:18
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EminXcan somebody help me about 3d desktop03:18
nosrednaekimEminX: #ubuntu-effects03:18
EminXUbuntu 7.1003:18
erichjhis is a gutsy issue though03:18
nomasteryodawhat video card EminX ?03:18
yell0wnosrednaekim, it works for print , lock screen, suspend, brightness , etc...03:18
EminXnomasteryoda: nVidia 64mb03:19
yell0wjust not for exporting to another monitor03:19
yell0w:/03:19
nosrednaekimyell0w: hmmm.03:19
nosrednaekimyell0w: hot plug doesn't work anyway...03:19
EminXI think it's enough for these effects03:19
EminX768ddr03:19
yell0wnosrednaekim, is there something that works ?03:19
EminXnosrednaekim: I was in #ubuntu, they noticed me to com here, now you are telling me to go #ubuntu-effects03:20
erichjEminX, what model though, tnt2, geforce 2..mx?03:20
EminXerichj: ge force 403:21
EminXI think there are enough hardware recourse for that effect03:21
erichjEminX, check your xorg.conf file and tell me what driver you are using03:21
nomasteryodaEminX, that should be the nvidia-glx drivers if I'm not mistaken03:22
nomasteryodaods are it shows.... "nv"03:22
erichjhmm03:22
EminXerichj: the drivers just have been updated, before 2 min03:22
nosrednaekimEminX: thats correct ;)03:23
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erichjthen perhaps he needs to run dpkg reconfigure?03:23
erichjfor x03:23
EminXnosrednaekim: any idea, in #ubuntu-effects it looks everyone is sleeping03:24
EminXare*03:24
erichjis03:25
nosrednaekimEminX: alright... then you need nvidia-glx03:26
nosrednaekimEminX: restart, and on login, run "compiz --replace"03:26
EminXnosrednaekim: how can i see exactly what drivers i have installed in vga03:28
nosrednaekimin vga?03:28
nosrednaekimEminX: do you mean which ones you are running?03:29
EminXnosrednaekim: I just want let you know that, some effects just started working, as you know when you draging any window03:29
EminXyes03:29
EminXnosrednaekim: yes which03:29
nosrednaekimEminX: oh... ok, now just go get compiz-config-settings-manager03:30
nosrednaekimand turn them all on ;)03:30
erichjsystem->admin->screens and graphics03:30
erichjthen click driver03:30
erichjgraphics card03:30
erichjsorry03:30
EminXerichj: ok03:30
erichjand the driver box will tell you what is currently running03:31
EminXerichj: it looks like that03:31
EminXerichj: when I click on nVidia03:32
erichjthe driver just says nVidia?03:32
EminXit's selected : Choose driver by model: , then there is NVIDIA selected, and Ge force 403:33
EminXerichj: (generic)03:33
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EminXnosrednaekim: can you repeat please03:34
EminXerichj: can I choose driver by name, is there any risk03:34
erichjok, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new03:34
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crdlberichj, doesn't support his card03:35
crdlbdon't do that03:35
nomasteryodaright like i said ... nvidia-glx03:35
erichjhold on...geforce 4? right?03:35
EminXerichj: yes03:36
erichjok, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx03:36
crdlbEminX, glxinfo|grep direct03:36
EminXok03:36
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erichjpossibly need legacy, looking at my mp3 server to see what it's running. i know the geforce 4 in there runs compiz just fine in gutsy03:37
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EminXerichj: nvidia-glx is already the newest version.03:37
EminX0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 208 not upgraded.03:37
crdlbno he doesn't need legacy03:37
crdlbEminX, glxinfo|grep direct03:37
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EminXcrdlb: ok03:38
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EminXcrdlb: direct rendering: Yes03:38
agroker_after upgrade I have troubles with my X session - none of the WM can survive, except safe terminal, my .xsession_errors says something about improper usage of the gtk+ (I use flgrx with Radeon X1300 btw)03:39
crdlbthen the problem is not with your driver03:39
erichjshould be working03:39
crdlbwhat exactly doesn't work?03:39
EminXdesk 3d effect03:40
erichj....the cube?03:40
RobertStuffersis this ubuntu oficial channel ?03:40
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: for gutsy, yes03:40
erichjRobertStuffers, for gutsy beta, #ubutnu is official03:40
EminXerichj: yes the cube03:41
erichj#ubuntu03:41
RobertStufferswhats gutsy means ?03:41
erichjyeah, thats under custom and you need the compiz manager for that03:41
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erichjit's not enabled by default, window slide is03:41
RobertStuffersi had lots of trojan in my xp im willing to take the plunge03:42
EminXerichj: yes window slide is03:42
erichjgutsy is the release name for the next version of ubuntu03:42
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: gutsy is the development version... slightly unstable03:42
EminXerichj: compiz manager ?03:42
RobertStuffersis there anti trojan soft for gutsy ?03:42
nosrednaekim!virus | RobertStuffers03:42
ubotuRobertStuffers: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=2103:42
erichjsudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager03:43
EminXerichj: ok03:43
erichjonce it installs you will find it under system->prefs03:43
erichjwait i might have made a mistake03:44
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erichjyou might want gnome-compiz-manager03:45
EminXerichj:E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)03:45
erichjsudo dpkg configure -a03:45
crdlberr no03:45
crdlbclose synaptic03:45
erichjwait03:45
erichjyeah03:45
RobertStuffershey what if i install 3th party programs on my gutsy setup ?03:45
crdlband you don't want gnome-compiz-manager03:45
RobertStuffersthat could install vermin too ?03:45
EminXerichj: I'm waiting03:46
erichjdid you close synaptic?03:46
crdlbEminX, for what?03:46
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: possibly...03:46
RobertStuffersso i do need anti spyware stuff03:47
erichjcrdlb does he want compizconfig-settings-manager03:47
EminXerichj: can you help me on that03:47
crdlbyes03:47
erichjk03:47
jmg_RobertStuffers: or you could just be smart about your 3rd party03:47
erichjeither the synaptic window is open, or the process is running and you need to kill it03:47
EminXerichj: I can't identify that, can you help me doing that03:48
erichjsystem->admin->system monitor03:48
RobertStuffershow do i secure my gutsy behond any shadow of doubt to be vermin bullet proof ?03:48
erichjthen click process tab03:48
nosrednaekimEminX: run "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"03:48
erichjnosrednaekim, dpkg is locked03:48
nosrednaekim!adeptfix03:49
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 03:49
EminXerichj: process tab03:49
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erichjalready recommended that03:49
EminXI'm here03:49
erichjcrdlb said no03:49
RobertStuffersallbert wisestein ?03:49
erichjlook for the synaptic process or the dpkg process03:49
erichjprobably dpkg03:49
crdlbdpkg --configure -a isn't going to fix this by itself03:49
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: don't install anything besides stuff from the official repositories03:50
jmg_RobertStuffers: dont install 3rd party cruft03:50
RobertStuffersdamn03:50
erichjonce you find the running process, right click on it and select kill process03:50
EminXthere is no dpkg process03:50
nosrednaekimEminX: is there adept or synaptic?03:50
RobertStuffersthat makes gustsy boring03:50
jmg_RobertStuffers: you're boring03:50
jmg_RobertStuffers: you could also install trend for linux03:50
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: but there are 22000 packages in the repositories.03:50
EminXnosrednaekim: no03:50
nomasteryodaif at last resort, you can do this... "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"03:51
jmg_RobertStuffers: plant.03:51
RobertStuffers22000 packages of cruft03:51
erichjfirst try sudo dpkg configure -a03:51
nomasteryodayes try that first03:51
RobertStuffersplant ?03:51
EminXok03:51
jmg_you're a plant03:51
RobertStuffersyou are e vermin03:52
jmg_RobertStuffers: so you shouldnt be taking advice from me. talk to your microsoft partner03:52
EminXerichj: less or more03:52
EminXerichj: Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !03:53
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RobertStuffersyou mean spywaresoft partner ?03:53
erichjis tee installed by default?03:53
EminXI don't know03:53
erichjmore03:53
EminXOptions marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !03:54
EminXusage: more [-dflpcsu]  [+linenum | +/pattern]  name1 name2 ...03:54
RobertStufferswhat use is a os that you cant install 3th party software ?03:54
RobertStuffersis that trirany or what ?!03:54
erichjRobertStuffers, all software for linux is third party03:54
usserso the updates are rolled out on almost daily basis huh?03:54
jmg_RobertStuffers: you can audit the source code yourself03:54
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RobertStuffersi guess thats why thers lots of difrent packages fro each ditro :D03:55
RobertStuffersdistro03:55
nomasteryodaisn't this an #off-topic thing?03:55
usserRobertStuffers: why of course u can03:55
erichjEminX, try less03:55
nomasteryodawe're trying to help folks here... not beat down the competition03:55
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erichjno one has to lose for linux to win03:56
RobertStuffersaudit the source code ?03:56
nomasteryodaexactly erichj03:56
RobertStuffersi guess i could if i had a master degre in pulling spyware from obfuscated code03:56
XeroRobertStuffers, Canonical checks the code for spyware.03:57
EminXerichj: thanks a lot for your help, and just one more question03:57
erichjyou won't find spyware, beauty of open source03:57
XeroMany people in this very channel audit the code.03:57
erichjEminX, sure..shoot03:57
XeroSpyware and virii can't survive on a Linux system becuase of the hostile environment.03:57
RobertStuffersjmg_: reads all its programs code 3 times before instaling it :D03:57
Xero!linuxvirus03:57
ubotuThe short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=2103:58
EminXerichj: I'm running now partial upgrade, do you think that can affect anything03:58
XeroThat's why there are no Linux virii/spyware.03:58
usserwow this todays compiz update made things fly03:58
Xerousser, it's slightly slower for me.03:58
erichjEminX, well as gutsy isn't not yet stable...that is a possibilty.03:58
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HobbseeXero: canonical?  no.  ubuntu developers - yes.03:59
RobertStuffersi was trying to get clamav to work in windows and it always faild03:59
RobertStuffersfailed03:59
erichjRobertStuffers, i was trying to get windows to work for me and it failed03:59
RobertStuffersdoes gutsy have that clamav File system ?03:59
nomasteryodayea its there04:00
erichjclamav on linux is there to protect the windows computers on your network04:00
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nomasteryodaantivirus program you mean... and just like erichj said... protect windows system04:00
nomasteryodas04:00
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RobertStuffersi dont what to make a network04:00
erichjwell you are a windows user...understandable04:00
RobertStuffersi want to install softwaere and have fun with it04:00
RobertStuffersive used linux before you know04:01
XeroRobertStuffers, twenty two thousand official packages, and 3rd party source code.04:01
usserXero: hm i just had compiz on and just updated and restarted it and its like twice as fast ))04:01
XeroYou'd think you would be happy.04:01
EminXerichj: you know what's the problem exactly, slide and some other options are working, but cube isn't working, I will try later again, maybe somebody will find a solution, Thank You very much, see you04:02
hydrogenof course04:02
kitcheusser: compiz with compiz-fusion?04:02
usserXero: compiz-fusion04:02
hydrogenyou have to considder that only a smallish subset of those are actually packages04:02
usserXero: yea04:02
hydrogenas ubuntu/debian likes to split packages up04:02
hydrogenare actually programs*04:02
RobertStuffersxero 22000 packges of mostlly cruft04:02
EminXmuch thanks and for others04:02
XeroRobertStuffers, tell me what's cruft.04:03
erichjwelcome04:03
nosrednaekimNP04:03
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RobertStuffersi bet that if you had HDD space tyo install all that linux woulfnt even start04:03
XeroMost of it is for people who have a different preference from the normal stuff (Firefox package vs Kazehahase package)04:03
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: betcha it would.04:03
Xero!flamer04:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about flamer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:03
Xerocrap04:03
Xero!flame04:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about flame - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:04
XeroSuper crap04:04
nosrednaekim!fire04:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:04
nosrednaekim!caveman04:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about caveman - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:04
Xero!idiot04:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about idiot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:04
hydrogen..04:04
nosrednaekimhe is in the stoneages.04:04
kitcheusser: ah so ok compiz with compiz-fusion yeah I haven't really gotten around to install compiz-fusion addon yet sicne I m still trying to figure out if compiz is worth it or not04:04
XeroTrue.04:04
erichji know i've gotten over 7000 processes going on my desktop before04:04
RobertStuffersstop spam04:04
usserXero: blazing 200 fps in cube rotation04:04
hydrogen!spam04:04
ubotuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)04:04
kitche!msgthebot > Xero04:04
RobertStuffersor i call the ops on you04:04
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RobertStuffersim robs best friend you know04:05
XeroWhatever. I was trying to find the thing to scold for flaming.04:05
RobertStuffers:D04:05
Xerousser, after restarting Compiz, I get 100FPS in cube rotate.04:05
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usserthe problem is the fire doesnt reall *burn* now, the darn thing moves too fast to it looks like bright yellowish glowing04:06
RobertStufferswhats your GFX crad ?04:06
RobertStufferscard04:06
nosrednaekimusser: slow it down..04:06
XeroCrappy NVidia GeForce4 MX4000, which wouldn't run Vista.04:06
RobertStuffers32 megas ?04:06
Xero128 megs04:07
RobertStuffersit would run vista ?04:07
aka_youtubeis totem with gstreamer supposed to work fine?04:07
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XeroIt wouldn't.04:07
XeroVista sucks anyway :)04:07
nosrednaekimaka_youtube: I think so.04:07
erichjmy gma950 runs aero04:07
RobertStuffershavent tryed yet04:07
RobertStuffersthe keygen had some virus atached to it04:08
aka_youtubenosrednaekim: I keep getting this: "nternal GStreamer error: pad problem.  Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer."04:08
ussernosrednaekim: is that particle slowdown setting??04:08
ussernosrednaekim: doesnt work04:08
XeroGMA950 will run anything, just because it's compatible.04:08
RobertStuffersany one familiar with w32.polip.a ?04:08
nosrednaekimusser: I think its "animation duration" in the close(or whatever) setting04:09
XeroRobertStuffers, we don't need to be, because we're not prone to it.04:09
RobertStufferswhat about the windwos machines on your network ?04:09
XeroI have none.04:09
nosrednaekimI don't have any04:10
ussernosrednaekim: nah thats for close im talking about paint fire on the screen plugin04:10
XeroAll Linux. The only Windows machine is the laptop and it doesn't get internet.04:10
nosrednaekimusser: OHH!! that plugin never worked for me.04:10
RobertStuffersi bet theres lots of spyware for linux it just hapens the linux devs are better at conceling it04:10
IndyGunFreaklol, ya04:10
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: then go look at the source and find some , ok?04:11
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: see ya.04:11
XeroThe kernel is spyware! Oh noes!04:11
RobertStuffersdo you know hoe to read chines ?04:11
XeroCompiz is spyware!!! OH NOES!!!!!04:11
RobertStuffersi dont04:11
RobertStufferssamething with source code04:11
usserXero: whats your video card?04:12
nosrednaekimRobertStuffers: sure I can read source code, and so can THOUSANDS of people like me.04:12
XeroNVidia Geforce4 MX4000 128MB, usser04:12
hydrogenRobertStuffers: well then04:12
hydrogenRobertStuffers: its up to you04:12
hydrogenRobertStuffers: either you can use a program thats guaranteed to have spyware on windows04:12
usserXero: tnx )04:12
RobertStuffersi could read it too but couldnt understand it04:12
hydrogenRobertStuffers: or you can take the risk on linux04:12
RobertStuffersat least windows has good antivirus04:13
XeroAt least windows has good viruses.04:13
RobertStuffershiding the problem dosent make it go away04:13
hydrogenRobertStuffers: then use windows04:13
XeroHiding your face doesn't make it go away, either.04:14
hydrogenRobertStuffers: I don't see what this discussion is about04:14
Xerohydrogen, neither do i.04:14
hydrogenXero: your comments stopped being useful a hell of a long time ago04:14
RobertStuffersso you are geting personal on this are you Xero?04:14
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XeroRobertStuffers, I was actually just joking, there.04:14
erichjwe need an #ubuntu-flamewars channel04:15
IndyGunFreakbut you don't make much sense04:15
RobertStuffersbeware a could send you spyware04:15
RobertStuffers:D04:15
RobertStuffersjust has a joke04:15
IndyGunFreakerichj: lol, i have a feeling that channel woul have to be unfiltered and unmoderated... cuz it would get ugly04:15
hydrogenRobertStuffers: what are you looking for here?04:15
XeroGo ahead. I'll just rm it.04:15
erichjIndyGunFreak, yeah04:15
IndyGunFreakanybody know why gparted won't work w/ gutsy?04:16
RobertStuffersim not looking for anthing anymore04:16
hydrogenRobertStuffers: okay, then why are you still here?04:16
erichjbeta software....probably being worked on right now04:16
XeroRobertStuffers, can you do this? Also, I've looked at Compiz source code and it's clean.04:16
Xerohttp://flickr.com/xero200704:17
RobertStuffersim here because i like it here04:17
RobertStufferstheres lots of chating going on04:17
hydrogenRobertStuffers: okay, then try to keep the conversation on topic04:17
hydrogenXero: you too04:17
Xerohydrogen, okay.04:17
IndyGunFreakanyone know wher eyou can download hte gparted source code and compile it.. see if maybe its the version in the repos causing trouble.04:17
Xerogparted.org, I think.04:18
IndyGunFreakya, i found it, they kinda hide the tarballs.04:18
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RobertStuffersi was really trying to get some live distro wuth some good antivrus to scan my windows with out it trying to conceal spywaer on system restore an stuff04:19
h1st0RobertStuffers: knoppix04:19
h1st0RobertStuffers: or ubuntu just use clamav04:19
IndyGunFreakyup, knoppix is what i was gonna suggest to.04:20
RobertStuffersknoppis has clamav ?04:20
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hydrogennot sure about that04:20
nomasteryodayes04:20
nomasteryodai think so04:20
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erichji thinks hirens boot cd is better04:20
RobertStuffersand ntfs write support04:20
Xeroknoppix makes sure the spyware (if there actually was any) isn't running, so you can rm -rf its directory04:20
nomasteryodaerichj, EVIL04:20
erichjhaha04:20
nomasteryodaplease done recommend such illegal software in ubuntu channels04:21
nomasteryodadon't04:21
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Xerohirens is illegal?04:21
RobertStuffershirens ?04:21
nomasteryodayes04:21
XeroWhat does it do?04:21
h1st0illegal?04:21
nomasteryodait is04:21
erichjit's not illegal if you have licenses for the software04:21
h1st0What kind of stuff are you smoking04:21
nomasteryodabut the licenses for the software on that disk are illegal04:21
RobertStufferswhats hirens ?04:21
hydrogenit appears that knoppix does have clamav04:22
nomasteryodabecause they are licensed to someone else...04:22
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h1st0hydrogen: just use ubuntu and install it.04:22
RobertStufferssound like just the thing i need04:22
hydrogenh1st0: can you install stuff on the livecd?04:22
Xerochroot to your install.04:22
h1st0RobertStuffers: there are plenty of apps availible.  There are system recovery cds etc...  I just use a usb stick with clam and ad aware etc... on it.04:22
h1st0hydrogen: yes04:22
hydrogenoh04:22
hydrogendidn't know that04:22
hydrogendoes it just use a ramdisk?04:23
erichjthe caveman show premiered tonight04:23
IndyGunFreakhydrogen: yeah, i install stuff on live CD all the time... but i don't usually install it to my hard drive, i just install it(simple things), then when youu restart, its gone.04:23
h1st0hydrogen: yeap04:23
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IndyGunFreakhelps when there's a program on the live cd  you need for some reason...04:23
RobertStuffersim going with hirens04:24
erichjbooo04:24
RobertStuffersit dosent have trad markes spyware in ti by anychance ?04:24
hydrogenit might04:24
erichjloaded with it04:24
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erichjit also installed microsoft bob04:25
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bazhangand clippy04:26
erichjand that stupid dog04:26
XeroI think thats Rover.04:26
jmg_my name is mike04:26
jmg_his name is BOB.04:26
XeroSleepytime04:26
jmg_in the darkness of the future past the magician longs to see04:26
jmg_one chants out between two worlds: fire, walk with me04:27
erichjhe does this cute thing where he grabs the hard drive icons and drags them to the recycle bin04:27
RobertStuffersand that stupid einstain04:27
hydrogentopic..04:27
erichjthis channel has a topic?04:28
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usserhydrogen: u efforts are doomed to drown in the deep blue abyss of offtopic04:28
hydrogenusser: thats not all that likely04:29
IndyGunFreakwell, compiling gparted didn't fix the gparted issue in gutsy04:29
bazhangthe warning at the top of the chat page says 'don't use on production machines', I've found this beta to way more stable than Feisty. Is there anything left to fix?04:29
usserhydrogen: no im just kidding, are u an op though? )04:29
RobertStuffersho my gosh my gutsy is looking so damn fine04:29
usserbazhang: well my bootsplash screen is distorted with a pretty standard res 1024x76804:30
usserbazhang: kdmtheme doesnt work properly04:30
RobertStuffersusser: thats just a thought out bug to make you have somthing to fix04:30
bazhangusser: right, and I get some weirdness on shutdown, but apart from that, it has been rock solid stable for all of two plus days.04:31
usserbazhang: mm what else firestarted crashes from time to time for no reason04:31
RobertStuffersusser: linux dosent really need firewalls04:31
usserRobertStuffers: ahah04:31
bazhangfirestarter? the firewall, or firecrash, the browser?04:31
RobertStuffersthats no sptware virus for linux you know ?!04:31
hydrogenfirecrash I'd asusme04:31
usserRobertStuffers: pfft im not digging through the piles of iptables nonsense04:31
IndyGunFreakRobertStuffers: i tend to disagree with that, i believe everyone with an always on connection,s hould have a hardware firewall, and flush any software firewalls, which is what i do.04:31
hydrogenRobertStuffers: stop while you're ahead.04:32
usserbazhang: firestarter the firewall04:32
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bazhangusser: thanks!04:32
hydrogenRobertStuffers: you are obviously not technically savvy enough to keep this discussion correct04:32
usseralso i hate how in kubuntu theres this dolphin manager instead of konqueror04:32
RobertStuffers?04:32
hydrogenRobertStuffers: you are confusing a firewall and antivirus04:32
hydrogenRobertStuffers: thats not a good place to start when you begin to preach04:33
RobertStuffersim just passing on some information some linux users from this IRC network passed onto me04:33
usserdoes anyone use kubuntu?04:33
bazhangusser: I tend to disagree there; I think dolphin is a huge improvement over Konqueror as a file browser.04:33
ussergutsy?04:33
usserbazhang: mmm ok how do i do tabs in dolphin, could not find it04:33
bazhangusser: I'm using Kubuntu gutsy right now.04:33
hydrogenRobertStuffers: you are passing it on after not understanding it fully04:33
bazhangusser: let me look...04:34
RobertStuffersknoppix dosent even has firewall04:34
RobertStuffers;S04:34
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h1st0Why would you need firewall on a live cd?04:34
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hydrogenyou really arn't that good at trolling..04:34
hydrogenI have to say04:34
usserbazhang: i hate how dolphin doesnt want to remember that i love address bar and keeps hiding it on every reload04:34
RobertStuffersi guess thats why some just recommended it to me just now04:34
Hobbseeusser: you chan change that04:35
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RobertStuffershydrogen: im just trying not to shouin you out of the 1st place under that category04:35
usserHobbsee: oh i can?04:36
bazhangusser: I'm sorry; I'm using compiz and not sure how to get tabs going--not apparent in the preferences..04:36
Hobbseeusser: i managed to, so yes04:36
Hobbseeusser: it's in the preferenes stuff04:36
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usserHobbsee: right got it, its just that the minute i saw dolphin and could find the tab settings i switched back to konq04:37
usserHobbsee: alright is there tabs to?04:37
bazhangusser: by tabs, do you mean split view? that I can do.04:37
RobertStuffersdont you just love it how windows firewall says its blocking something from connecting to the internet and lets it connect all the same ?!04:37
extraHi, the graphics applet won't do my intel.. I choose intel, click test, and it reverts to vesa04:37
usserbazhang: no tabs like in firefox or opera or konqueror04:37
extraany help?04:37
bazhangusser: you want to use it as a web browser?04:38
hydrogenRobertStuffers: that still isn't on topic..04:38
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Hobbseeusser: there's a split screen view04:38
usserbazhang: no, file manager im just used to tabs04:38
Hobbseeusser: which only works for 2, i know :(04:38
RobertStufferstheres no microdoft channel on this network !04:38
usserHobbsee: see04:38
HobbseeRobertStuffers: yes there is.  ##windows.04:38
usserHobbsee: i usually have minimum 5 open04:38
RobertStuffersOMG !04:38
Hobbseeusser: konq is still there.04:38
RobertStufferswhat happend to #windows ?04:39
Hobbseeit got forwarded.  and that's still offtopic04:39
usserHobbsee: its not default though ) and i could not find the setting for making it so04:39
usseris dolphin kde invention or just gutsy specific?04:40
Hobbseeusser: true.  might look at making that the default behaviour, actually04:40
RobertStuffersHobbsee: could you please explain me this "forwarding politics" ?04:40
Hobbseeusser: it's a kde invention - kde4 uses it.04:40
hydrogendolphin is a kde app that started off in kde3 but really became big in kde404:40
HobbseeRobertStuffers: channel forwards?  forwards from one channel to another.04:40
HobbseeRobertStuffers: please ask in #freenode04:40
hydrogengutsy uses the kde3 version as default to get users ready for dolphin in later releases04:41
hydrogenI believe04:41
Zoikshave they fixed the 1680 x 1050 resolution problem yet?04:41
Hobbseeyup04:41
RobertStufferswhy theres no one chating on #freenode ?04:41
hydrogenthey must recognize your nick04:41
hydrogeni mean04:41
IndyGunFreaklol04:41
usserhydrogen: oh so its bound to change where do i send complaints? ))) jk04:41
IndyGunFreakits a conspiracy, they all have you on ignore.. i'm there now and its quite lively04:41
HobbseeRobertStuffers: because timezones exist.04:41
nomasteryodaRobertStuffers, cause they're all on #ubuntu ... hehe04:41
nomasteryodanot on the net04:41
nomasteryoda=D04:42
nomasteryodajk04:42
RobertStuffersis it true that you cant use oficial nvidas drivers with ubuntu ?04:42
usseromg is he a bot or what?04:42
nomasteryodaRobertStuffers, if it exists, you can04:42
nomasteryodatakes work04:42
nomasteryodahehe04:42
Hobbsee!nvidia04:42
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:42
RobertStuffersbut its 2th party04:42
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RobertStuffersits not open source !04:42
HobbseeRobertStuffers: well, duh.04:42
hydrogenHobbsee: its a brickwall cause04:43
Zoiks2 questions about gutsy04:43
ussershoot04:43
IndyGunFreakBANG!04:43
hydrogenHobbsee: read the buffer if you want some history04:43
HobbseeRobertStuffers: that wont stop you - but it would be pointless to write bugs about it to the ubuntu people.04:43
usserDEAD04:43
IndyGunFreaklol04:43
nomasteryodathink its time he takes a ride down the bittube?04:43
usserhehe04:43
Zoiks1. how hard is it to run a vpc with windows on it? and what sort of performance penalty is there?04:43
nomasteryodarouter-rooter... internet & tube service04:43
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Zoiks2. i have an nvidia card but cant set 1680 x 1050 as my res... when will they fix this?04:44
IndyGunFreakZoiks: it ran awful for me... i only need XP for my GPS device, and i found it either to just have a 15gig xP partition, and when i have to deal with my GPS, i boot it.04:44
RobertStuffersim really afraid to use linux now that they figured out how to write to ntfs !04:44
nosrednaekimZoiks: VPC?04:44
HobbseeRobertStuffers: dude...offtopic04:44
nosrednaekimZoiks: you mean a virtual machine?04:44
IndyGunFreaknosrednaekim: i tok that to mean virtual machine.04:44
Zoiksyeah04:44
frostburnIndyGunFreak, can you use a vm instead of a separate partition04:44
Zoikssorry nosrednaekim04:44
nosrednaekimZoiks: how much RAM do you have?04:44
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IndyGunFreakfrostburn: that was what i tried, i figured thats what he was asking about.04:44
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nomasteryodagood04:44
usserZoiks: running vmware on amd64 this very moment not very hard04:44
nomasteryodariddance04:45
Zoiks1.5gb nosrednaekim04:45
usserZoiks: that should be enough for xp04:45
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Zoiksi have an opteron 16504:45
IndyGunFreakusser: it wasn'[t hard to setup, just performance was awful04:45
Zoiksbut run i386 linux because of compatability issues of x64 linux04:45
nosrednaekimZoiks: yeah... give XP 512 and you should be good.04:46
usserXero: that docker on your pictures is it 3d?04:46
IndyGunFreakZoiks: same here, i tried it with feisty and XP in VM, and it was horrible.04:46
usserXero: what is it like kibadock?04:46
nosrednaekimZoiks: performace difference is not that bad,04:46
usserZoiks: well not really the only thing i found not working is the latest java04:46
frostburnwindows flp is good for vms as well, no cruft04:46
Zoiksi guess its just a give it a go and see situation04:46
usserZoiks: i have 1.4 which works pretty well04:47
IndyGunFreaknosrednaekim: i gave XP 512, even 712, and it was bad for me, his mileage will vary of course, but it was bad enough i just decided to start dual booting again04:47
nosrednaekimIndyGunFreak: whats your processor?04:47
nosrednaekimhere on a Turion X2 it was close to equal04:48
Zoiksusser: so things have really come along since edgy in the way of amd64 support?04:48
IndyGunFreak2.4ghz AMD, 1gig of ram, 512mb Video card04:48
hydrogenI gave xp in virtualbox a gig of memory04:48
nosrednaekimhmmm04:48
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hydrogenand it tends to work04:48
hydrogenbut its greedy like that04:48
hydrogen:/04:48
IndyGunFreakhydrogen: well, i considered that, but i was pretty disappointed with it, and finally said screw it, and reinstalled Windows to a 15-20gig partition04:48
erichjis crossfire support coming to linux now that amd is open sourcing everything?04:49
nosrednaekimerichj: not sure.04:49
Zoiksoh heres a question: if I am running a softraid in ubuntu, and then run a vm of windows04:49
Zoikswill windows show the raid?04:49
IndyGunFreaki did run a few Linux OS's in VM though, and all but mandriva seemed to run fine... MintLinux, PcLinuxOS, OpenSuse, and Slack04:49
hydrogenIndyGunFreak: because most of what I need windows for is playing online streams//viewing websites that only work in internet explorer, I never want to reboot just to do it04:49
IndyGunFreakhydrogen: yeah, i can understand that./04:50
mikubuntuanyone yet have a fix for tis double screen, two cursors, all messed up rendering problem ???04:50
erichjZoiks, that is hit or miss. like in vmware i dont have network access but in vbox i do04:50
IndyGunFreakdouble screen?... are you running dual monitors?04:50
nosrednaekimhydrogen: does ie4linux work?04:50
usserZoiks: yea pretty much, i mean i still have to run 32bit flash via nspluginwrapper and 32bit google earth, but theres a great tool for getting missing 32bit dependency libs getlibs04:50
hydrogennosrednaekim: no idea :)04:50
usserZoiks: which u just point to 32bit executable and it fetches all that is neccessary for it to run04:51
nosrednaekimhydrogen: I'd try it..04:51
Zoikserichj: so there are multiple virtulisation tools i can use?04:51
mikubuntuIndyGunFreak: no, but my screen is split up something awful... is it possible to place a screenshot in the pastebin to show you?04:51
hydrogennosrednaekim: theres still all of the embedded windows media streams04:51
erichjZoiks, absolutely04:51
nosrednaekimhydrogen: ah... true04:51
bazhangzoiks: you should try virtualbox04:51
Zoiksusser: might give amd64 a go again in 8.0404:52
Jordan_Umikubuntu, You could use flickr or imageshack04:52
IndyGunFreakmikubuntu: i don't think you can pastebi a jpg.. maybe put it on imageshak or photobucket.04:52
usserZoiks: )04:52
erichjZoiks, vbox is the best choice in my experience. others in here might have a different opinion though04:52
Zoiksok, ill give them a go when I get gutsy installed, just on the live cd atm04:52
mikubuntuhmmmm... let me check out flicker then04:52
Zoiksthe other question was about 1680x1050 res with nvidia card04:53
Zoiksi couldnt set it when i installed gutsy04:53
Zoikshave they fixed/are they fixing that?04:53
frostburnZoiks, me too04:53
Jordan_UZoiks, Did you use restricted manager to install the nvidia drivers?04:53
frostburnyes04:53
erichjadd it to xorg04:53
Zoiksyeah i did04:53
Zoikstried that too erichj04:53
frostburni did add it, but most users wont know what to do04:53
erichjhmmm04:54
frostburnZoiks, remove the virtual desktop line04:54
Zoiksjust did not like it at all04:54
Jordan_UZoiks, And you tried System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics?04:54
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Zoiksyes Jordan_U04:54
Zoiksok... im just formatting drives now because I bought 2x500gb drives04:54
Zoiksso when I install gutsy again ill give it another go04:54
erichjjust remember, this is a beta. final will be a bit more polished04:55
Zoikshow much harder is it to install ubuntu via the alternate cd?04:55
Zoikserichj: yeah i know :)04:55
erichjso expect issues and don't let them deter you04:55
Jordan_UZoiks, Not much harder, just uglier :)04:56
erichji've never had the need for the alt cd install so i wouldn't know04:56
Zoiksok, I just need it to get this softraid going04:56
erichjprobably like installing redhat back in the day04:56
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m1keDoes anyone know how to set up xbox 360 controller in gutsy?04:56
frostburnZoiks, out of curiosity, why use a softraid?04:56
erichjholy crap! the sd card reader on my laptop works on gutsy.04:57
erichjtalk about making my day04:57
ussererichj: ))04:58
usseroverall gutsy is a big step forward04:58
usserimho04:58
erichji have to agree there04:58
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bazhanggutsy recognizes all the buttons on my laptop. incredible.04:59
erichjmy crappy built in webcam works now as well. been waiting since dapper for that04:59
Zoiksfrostburn: because fakeraid support in linux is next to nil and i dont have the money to afford a proper raid card04:59
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frostburnZoiks, but i mean with 2 hard drives you wont get parity, and you wont get any speed increase05:00
erichjZoiks, http://freecycle.org i get so much free hardware from the list for my area it's not even funny. you should look into it. you never know what you might be able to find05:01
jmg_you get a mirror05:01
frostburnerichj, oooooh....05:01
macogwmy school says my linux lappy was compromised and is on a botnet and i therefore cannot have internets05:01
extraanyone else thing gaim/pidgin sucks?05:01
macogwon windows, yes05:02
macogwit cant do google talk (always has errors when trying to connect)05:02
frostburnextra, did you install the extra plugins?05:02
bazhangmacogw: surely they jest05:02
frostburnmacogw, what errors, it's worked flawlessly since day105:02
extraI press the up arrow and it doesn't show line history!05:02
frostburnoh for irc it sucks05:02
extrafrostburn: nah, good?05:02
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frostburnextra, yeah, and you could always write one if something is missing=] 05:03
frostburnextra, pidgin-encryption and pidgin-plugin-pack adds a ton of functionality05:03
Zoiksfrostburn: im using it for irc on the live cd :D05:04
macogwbazhang: they say i'm on a botnet05:04
erichjextra, like otr messaging05:04
Zoiksfrostburn: if i get raid 1 at least ill have my data a bit more safer until I figure out how to set up a raid505:04
bazhangmacogw: on Linux? No XP partition?05:05
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erichji will say the one nice thing about gutsy is the codec installer for movie player05:06
bazhangand for music, flash/gnash05:06
mikubuntuIndyGunFreak: i don't see the same defects on the screenshots as i do on the screen ...http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=105:07
erichjthis just might kill the need for newbies to try automatix205:07
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frostburnerichj, except for dvd playback05:07
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macogwfrostburn: windows server error 10600 or something like that05:07
macogwevery windows computer ive tried it on, it does that05:07
macogwbazhang: i told them its linux.  they asked what version. i said ubuntu development and that its as up to date as can be.  they asked when i updated. i said last night.05:07
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macogwbazhang: bah!!!! xp was never booted on this computer by me (gateway must've at some point before i formatted the drive, i suppose)05:08
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erichjfrostburn, true. i did say might.05:08
bazhangmacogw: they must be out of their minds!05:08
macogwyeah05:10
macogwone of my friends used to work for them05:10
usserwhat i really would like to get is a pegasos2 with amiga/morphOS05:10
macogwhe says i mustve managed to set of the IDS05:10
bazhangunreal.05:10
databuddytournament.05:11
extraerichj: I never understood otr messaging05:11
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databuddyextra its not about actually being off the record05:11
databuddyit encrypts what you type in and push enter to05:11
databuddythen it sends to someone05:11
erichjextra, it's called plausible deniablity05:11
databuddybut you have to exchange keys and confirm them05:11
extrahow can you plausably deny it?05:12
frostburnotr?05:12
riotkittiels05:12
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databuddyi wouldnt say otr builds plausible denyability05:12
databuddyjust a layer of making it harder to mitm05:12
extraI heard otr was about plausible deniability elsewhere.05:13
extralike, you can claim it didn't come from you, somehow05:13
extrahence "off the record"05:14
frostburncheck out the pidgin encryption, it sounds almost the same thing05:14
erichjotr prevents forging of messages05:14
frostburnexcept it's client-client05:14
frostburnso does this, as long as you dont accept other keys05:14
erichjotr keys expire, so accepting won't compromise previous message sessions05:15
extraerichj: so you make new keys for each message? or each session?05:15
frostburnerichj, oo there's an otr plugin for pidgin05:16
erichjper message05:16
erichjthis is what i was looking for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging05:17
erichjyeah, i'm right it's per message05:17
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extrahmm. I can see how Bob can't read the message, but everyone still sees the message came from Alice to Bob to Charlie, so I don't see where the plausible denial comes from...05:18
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extraok, so charlie knows it's alice, but alice can always lie and say that charlie is making it up05:21
extrawhich is even more the case if one could anonymously drop an otr message at someones front door and run away.  Only charlie could open the package, but after that, anyone can forge alice's message.. or something05:23
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erichjwell it could be forged assuming it's using alices key though05:25
extraFTA: "and after a conversation is complete, anyone is able to forge a message to appear to have come from one of the participants in the conversation,"05:26
extraI think they mean message, but maybe not05:26
erichjno they are talking about logs at that point05:27
erichjotr is encrypted and only displayed in plain text during the session. i think clients even prevent you from exporting otr messages. though i am not sure05:28
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extraright.. it's an after-the-fact plausible deniability kind of thing05:29
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erichjyeah, there is no denying something if the person is watching it in real time. but this prevents a record of the conversation. making it nearly impossible to prove that it took place05:30
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erichjno evidence no crime05:31
extrawell, they mean it in the same sense that one can plausibly deny that we actually had this conversation... with a gpg encrypted conversation, each of our messages would be publicly signed by ourselves, and there's no denying it, where-as with OTR, you have the deniability of this conversation, with the benefit of one-time authentication05:33
extraer, one-time encryption, to keep the servers out of the convo05:34
extraanyway, why won't gutsy let me use my intel 965 graphics chip?05:36
Jordan_Uextra, In what way will it not let you use it?05:37
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macogwextra: 3D was disabled in them because um...something about AIGLX, Xv, incompatibility between those 2 and the driver....so no Compiz-Fusion05:38
macogwyou should have just fine 2D though05:39
extraJordan_U: well, after I upgraded, gutsy reverted to vesa.. now, when I go into graphics applet, I try to set the driver to i810, click test, screen flickers, green lines show up on the top of the screen, then it flickers back, then the applet's driver change is gone and it's back to vesa.05:39
macogwextra: that card cant use i810 anyway05:39
databuddyextra gma x3100 ?05:39
extramacogw: compiz is disabled, but I should still be able to use the driver right? for 3d games05:40
macogwit's supposed to use xserver-xorg-video-intel05:40
macogwno05:40
databuddyextra i have intel driver working great05:40
macogw3D is disabled completely05:40
Jordan_Uextra, Try the "intel" driver05:40
extraWhich intel? I have the 965.. dell 1420n05:40
Jordan_Uextra, That is the name of the driver05:40
macogwthere's a driver that's called intel05:41
Jordan_U"intel"05:41
macogwand one called i81005:41
macogw810 is only for the old cards05:41
macogwi965 needs the intel driver05:41
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extraI tried 965 in the graphics applet and got the same thing.. flicker, greep lines at top, flicker back.. back on vesa driver automatically05:41
extragreen05:42
macogwwhat is this graphics applet you're talking about?05:42
Jordan_Uextra, Again, please try the driver which is named "intel"05:42
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macogwnevermind found it05:43
Jordan_Umacogw, I think he is referring to System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics05:43
macogwit's in the control center05:43
macogwi didnt see that...05:43
macogwok im blind05:43
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macogwim gonna try the intel driver too05:44
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crwebcould someone please explain to me why default gutsy install generates a new mac address for my network card every reboot?05:44
macogw810's being buggy for me on gutsy05:44
crwebhave users just gone so dumb they can't set their own mac address to match the hardware now?05:44
extracrap.. says I need to restart X to take effect05:44
macogwof course05:44
macogwhow else would it do that?05:44
macogwthe drivers load when X starts05:44
macogwbrb05:45
extracrap.. back in a brb... well, there's a test button.. (mines grayed out now)05:45
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Dr_willisHmm. does the fancy compiz eye candy work with twinview?05:46
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extranow my resolution is at 640 by 48005:47
Jordan_UDr_willis, I don't think so, last I tried ( albeit a long time ago ) you can't have twinview and DRI05:47
Jordan_Uextra, Can you change it with System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics ?05:48
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extrayea, kinda05:48
extraok, lets try this05:49
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Dr_willisJordan_U,  i had some other issues with twinview when i messed with it last week.. I also noticed that no eyecandy issue. :)05:49
Dr_willisYour logic makes sence however.05:49
macogwok then05:49
jmg_unlike your english05:49
Dr_willismy other issues were twinview putting GDM on the wrong monitor. heh.05:49
macogwi dont see any change really05:50
macogw3D seems a bit snappier05:50
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macogwbut my dimming is still busted with this driver05:50
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extrahi05:50
extrawho was helping me?05:51
macogwi was...kinda05:51
macogwyou take quite a while to restart X05:51
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Jordan_UDr_willis, I don't know why you can't use DRI with twinview though ( if indeed you can't ), I see no reason why multiple screens and DRI would be mutually exclusive05:51
macogwive already restarted X, adjusted resolution, and restarted X again05:51
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=== extra hands a giant chocolate chip cookie to Jordan_U, macogw, and whoever else helped me
macogwim gonna go see if my bug was reported yet05:52
macogwanyone here have i945?05:52
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extra(from macogw)05:53
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macogwhehe05:53
Dr_willisHmm   System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics    dosent even show the 2nd monitor.05:54
Dr_willis nvidia-settings shows it.05:55
LynoureDoes anyone have bug #134476 without using fglrx, except me?05:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134476 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Tribe 5: suspend hangs laptop" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13447605:55
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Jordan_UDr_willis, Which configured the xorg.conf initially?05:56
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Dr_willisthe xorg.conf i have. is the default + what changes restricted-manager did (just changed driver to nvidia)05:57
MrDigital1Evening everybody.  I'm just gonna throw this out there and I'll admit I haven't searched forums yet... I have a Dell Precision 470 with the integrated Intel 1GB adapter and since doing a clean install of gutsy beta I get long delays quite often when I try to browse internet, or even connecting with Pidgin.  I had no such problems with Feisty and was wondering before I started hunting if somebody here already has seen this or05:57
Dr_willisWoa.. enavbled twinview. and dident have to restart the X server.. how they do that!05:57
Dr_willis:)05:57
NeoThermicIs there going to be a major set of changes between now and the 15th? :)05:57
h1st0not really05:57
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h1st0Its feature freaze so you aren't going to see package versions change other than security and bug fixes.05:58
Dr_willisJordan_U,  well twinview I thinkis workign with the compiz stuff.. however right now if i maxize a window - it fills both monitors.05:58
Dr_willisThats not now it used to work for me.05:58
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NeoThermich1st0: I'm just pondering if I should nab the ISO now or in 15 days time05:59
h1st0NeoThermic: either way it doesn't matter if you nab the iso now and update it will be the same thing.05:59
Jordan_UDr_willis, So Compiz does work with twinview ? ( if not entirely properly :)05:59
NeoThermich1st0: sounds like a plan05:59
Dr_willisJordan_U,  I think its working. :)05:59
NeoThermiclets fire up wget while I'm in windows :)05:59
Dr_willislet me restart the X server just to be sure its not some goofup from changing stuff on the fly06:00
Dr_willisbrb.,06:00
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joulesso i am relatively pleased with the latest gutsy release but compiz is a little messed up.. and i really dont know which manager to use anyone has a default that has most of everything06:00
jscinozWhat is the max safe temperature for a laptop nvidia GPU06:01
h1st0NeoThermic: I'm dl'ng now to install to a virtualbox06:01
RAOFjscinoz: 120 C06:01
NeoThermic1.6MB/s. Slow :P06:01
jscinozRAOF, so 70C idle is fine?06:01
RAOFThis is a number I've picked out at random :)06:01
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frostburnidle should be 35-4506:01
NeoThermicit'll take 7 mins at that speed! I want it NOW! </tantrum>06:01
usserjoules: what do u mean like a compiz setup utility?06:01
jscinozRAOF, i get 70C idle, and 85-100C load06:01
jscinozfrostburn, in a laptop though?06:02
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frostburnjscinoz, yes06:02
jscinozwell shit...06:02
RAOFjscinoz: If you're concerned, see you laptop manufacturer.06:02
macogwmy bug: bug #14838906:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148389 in ubuntu "Intel graphics turn black (kind of) (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14838906:02
jscinozi will06:02
jscinozwho has dells number :P06:02
NeoThermic1-800-DELL?06:02
RAOFjscinoz: Unless you've done anything crazy like overclock it, it's *entirely* their problem.06:02
usserhehe06:02
joulesusser: well if you go to synaptic there are tons of packages for compiz.. and add ons and all that .. im trying to find a right fitting one cause most of them have something but not everything06:02
jscinozits not overclocked06:02
jscinozRAOF, but i know that some other distros have problems with ACPI on certain laptops, and dont run the GPU fan06:03
joulesplus as of now i am supposed to have 4 compiz workspaces and only have 1 even tho compiz says 406:03
RAOFjscinoz: Also, 70C on idle shouldn't hurt it.  nvidia-settings default "warn me" level is... 130C, I think.06:03
gunnyjoules: compiz config settings - advanced desktop effect settings06:03
jscinozRAOF, also sensors-applet reports my fans running at 20k+ RPM >_<06:03
RAOFjscinoz: :)06:03
riotkittieuhm. stupid question time. <semi-hides>06:03
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jscinozfans at 20k+ shouldnt be happening, i think it would have spun itself a hole out of my laptop at that speed >_<06:03
jscinoztherfore, the i8k module lies06:03
NeoThermicmacogw: I might be able to replicate that bug later on today06:04
Dr_willisWell... it dose seem that compiz does work with twinview.06:04
Dr_willisof course for some reason now. gnome is putting the panels on the wrong monitor by default.. and new windows appear on the wrong monitor by default also.06:04
NeoThermicmy laptop has an I965 chipset06:04
jscinozCompiz works awesomely with 100.14.19 driver06:04
jmg_Dr_willis: it will work with twinview but not xinerama06:04
jscinozi now run compiz all the time06:04
usserjoules: well i have compiz-fusion-plugins extra, main, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome, compizconfig-settings-manager06:04
Dr_willisjmg_,  ahh. Ok.06:04
usserjoules: thats pretty much basic setup well + all the needed dep libs06:05
jscinozRAOF, the graphics on my screen getting scrambled and my laptop hanging... is that a symptom of overheating?06:05
usserjoules: ccsm brings up the setup utility06:05
joulesusser: yeah ive been toying around with them but.. eh let me give that combination of things a try06:05
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jscinozi wish i could have firefox + thunderbird + sunbird+ kompozer in one app, 2007 mozilla suite :P06:06
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usserjscinoz: i hate bloats06:07
RAOFjscinoz: Could be.06:07
usserjscinoz: what is the point of this06:07
tonyyarussojscinoz: some changes in the way the code works may make that sort of thing possible again easily06:07
tonyyarussoI think06:07
jscinozRAOF, i'll ring dell then and yell at em :P06:07
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jscinozusser, not sure really :P still would be awesome06:07
jscinozalso guys06:08
usserjscinoz: u have nice 4 apps which u launch as needed and suite bleh 200megs bloatware that idles most of the time06:08
jscinozfirefox takes 800MB ram :P06:08
jscinoz300 tabs ftw06:08
jscinoz4gb ram = even better06:08
usserjscinoz: jesus06:08
CountXOMG06:08
jmg_jscinoz: masochist!06:08
jscinoz:P06:08
hydrogenopera is much better with huge amounts of tabs06:08
hydrogenI have to say06:08
NeoThermic4GB RAM is wasted if you're using a 32bit OS06:08
jscinozIs there any way to get a 32bit ubuntu to recognise more than 3.5GB of ram06:08
jscinozi know06:08
usserjscinoz: 300 tabs is there actually a space for dispaying web pages?06:08
jscinozbut 4gb is the default option on this laptop :P06:08
NeoThermicno, it's due to the memory mapping06:08
NeoThermicso you wont' see more than about 3.5GB06:09
jscinozyes, i have 2+gb left06:09
jscinozaww darn06:09
tonyyarussoNeoThermic: doesn't have to be - there are ways around it.  planet.ubuntu.com just had an entry about that.06:09
NeoThermictonyyarusso: really? I'm surprised. I expected the only way around it to be use a freaking 64bit build like you should ;)06:09
jscinozfirefox + songbird + thunderbird + eclipse + azureus + kompozer + xchat + pidgin + compiz-fusion = 963MB of ram, still 2+gb left06:09
tonyyarussoNeoThermic: I don't recall how they did it, but I think it was just a BIOS setting of some sort.06:09
jmg_songbird?06:10
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jscinozTonyyarusso, would you have a link to that articl06:10
tonyyarussojscinoz: a sec06:10
jscinozjmg_, songbird is a media player based on the mozilla framework06:10
jmg_ok06:10
jscinoztheres a deb at www.getdeb.net if you want it06:10
CountXjscinoz: Zbrush3 50mill poly organic mesh, 4gb ram06:10
NeoThermictonyyarusso: ahh, well, if you did a static mapping of hardware IRQs then you might be able to mitigate it away from the RAM, but that'd be hellishly unstable if you did it wrong.06:10
MrDigital1I'm not sure what's wrong with my PC at work.  I only get 3.2GB and I'm running 64bit.  I'm thinking it's my Mobo though and not my OS... no bios updates address that either. :/06:11
jscinozsaywhat, countx?06:11
pumahow to play p2p net TV?06:11
CountXjscinoz: im toping your ram consumption06:11
jscinoz:P06:11
jscinoznever used Zbrush06:11
NeoThermicCountX: I read that as "I'm in your ramz toping them"06:11
jscinozlawl06:11
hydrogensongbird is a horrible concept06:11
CountXjscinoz: 50 million polygon mesh=4gb full06:11
hydrogenI have to say06:11
NeoThermicand imagined a cat sitting on some sticks of RAM. Dam you internet!06:11
jscinozI love songbird06:11
usserMrDigital1: are u sure its 64 bit do uname -m06:12
hydrogen"lets take a huge bloated unoptimized web framework and build a huge bloated unoptimized music player on top of it"06:12
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jscinozHydrogen, songbird's only using 30mb of ram for me06:12
NeoThermicCountX: also, 50m? what on earth are you doing chucking that about? :P06:12
MrDigital1usser: I'm 100% sure, but I'm at home not at work.06:12
usserhydrogen: thats mozilla's motto06:12
CountXNeoThermic: work06:12
NeoThermicyes, but 50m? ever heard of reduction? :)06:12
=== usser take something huge and build something huge on top of it
jscinozwhat is zbrush?06:13
CountXNeoThermic: well yeah but how are you supposed to make a normal map with a low poly model?06:13
NeoThermiceven my most detailed stuff tops out at about 119k06:13
erichjsunbird sucks too06:13
CountXNeoThermic: characters?06:13
jscinozI found that lightning extension for thunderbird is nice, integrates sunbird in thunderbird06:13
NeoThermicCountX: the shuttle launch facility06:13
CountXive done 1m+ weps06:13
jmg_NeoThermic: oh hai, i upgraded your ram06:13
jscinozpity Lighting caused thunderbird to segfault on startup >_<06:13
NeoThermicjmg_: ZOMG! :)06:14
CountXNeoThermic: why would you do that in ZB?06:14
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NeoThermicCountX: lightwave. :)06:14
jscinozman i really need to nuke my vista partition, wasting 60gb06:14
NeoThermichttp://www.neothermic.com/testing/NightSetup.png / http://www.neothermic.com/testing/shuttleabove.jpg06:14
CountXNeoThermic: eww06:14
NeoThermicI did that when I was bored. :P06:14
CountXjscinoz: you have vista?06:15
pumawho knows to play p2p net TV?06:15
jscinozCountx, acme with the laptop >_<06:15
CountXjscinoz: you bought it????, isnt it like 300$??06:15
jscinoznah came with it06:15
CountXoh...06:15
NeoThermicjscinoz: From orbit. It's the only way to be sure!06:15
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jscinozhavn't gotten around to nuking it yet06:15
CountXmy computer came with 3ds max 9 64bit06:15
jscinozWhat is this Zbrush program you're talking about?06:15
CountX!zbrush06:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about zbrush - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:15
jscinoz3d rendering thing?06:15
CountXpoo06:15
NeoThermicCountX: Nice. I'm using Lightwave 7.5 because I'm a poor student and the uni won't give me a licence for it :P06:16
macogwah joules is gone06:16
NeoThermic(it being the latest 9.5 build)06:16
macogwi had an answer for him06:16
jscinozNeoThermic, get the bittorrent edition :P06:16
CountXNeoThermic: work pays for everything06:16
macogwmy interwebs were lost06:16
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NeoThermicjscinoz: I'm too honest. Hell, I've had legit versions of photoshop since 7. :P06:16
jscinozAdobe CS3 Master Suite - BitTorrent Edition!06:16
CountXdont uni's cap bittorrent, or ratehr , try to cap bt?06:16
jscinozSSH ftw :P06:17
NeoThermicI'm not on my uni network :D06:17
CountXah06:17
jscinozuse it to get around proxy at school06:17
hydrogenstudent editions++06:17
erichji heard microsoft is so desperate to get people to use vista that they signed a deal with general mills to include an oem cd in every box of trix06:17
jscinozSSH tunnel = bittorrent ftw06:17
NeoThermicI'm at my flat, where my internet is 24Mb :D06:17
CountX3ds max 9 is 3000$06:17
jscinozrofl erichj06:17
hydrogen2100 less for the student edition of vectorworks than the full edition06:17
hydrogenbetter believe i'm a student!06:17
mikubuntuhttp://flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1 please see 'image 116' to see the problem i'm having with double panels and cursors showing on my screen... i had to take a pic with my phone to illustrate, because when i take a screenshot on the computer, it looks normal, but note the problem now in this image.  anyone else having this problem???06:17
jscinozIMO any company that charges 1000+ for software deserves to have it stolen06:17
hydrogenjscinoz: I disagree06:17
jscinozapparently you can get MS office ultimate for $70 if you are a student06:17
jscinozbut OOO > MS office anyday06:18
jscinozbrb phone ringing06:18
CountXwell when people pay for your software, i dont give a flying F@!#06:18
CountXjscinoz: agreed06:18
erichji still prefer ms office over oo.org06:18
hydrogenjscinoz: if you are using this software professionally.. and making a profit off of it, a thousand dollars isn't that much for something that will give you a lot of aid06:18
CountXerichj: somehting is wrong with you06:18
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hydrogenOOo still has a good ways to go06:19
hydrogenbefore it can replace MSOffice everywhere06:19
CountXi like it06:19
macogwerichj: it doesnt handle layout too great....the frames thing on OOo is definitely better06:19
CountXi dont work in an office or anything so it suits me06:19
hydrogenI've never had luck with oospread06:19
CountXi dont have to give presentations and shit like that06:19
macogwOOo needs to allow finer-tuning of placement though...not sure how MS Office does on that anyway though06:19
hydrogenit tends to do all sorts of things unpredictably06:19
MrDigital1mikubuntu: that's messed up.  Have you tried turning off desktop effects?06:19
erichjCountX, i paid like $300 a few years ago because i needed it for work. after paying that much i am not ready to abandon it while it is still useful06:19
macogwhydrogen: maybe because you're using the wrong command?  it's oocalc06:19
hydrogenmacogw: I havn't used it in a while06:19
hydrogenmacogw: you knew what I emant06:20
jscinozWe need FOSS to take over all software06:20
hydrogenmacogw: so semantics are pretty useless06:20
hydrogenI was thinking of kspread06:20
CountXfree open source software?06:20
hydrogenjscinoz: theres a lot to happen before that does06:20
mikubuntuMrDigital1: desktop effects NOT ON .. :(06:20
hydrogenThere is still no open source CAD program worth looking at06:20
CountXhey hey, guess what y'all06:20
NeoThermicas a student, Lightwave 9.3 is 12906:20
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MrDigital1mikubuntu: sorry, that's really strange.  Hopefully somebody more knowledgeable can help.06:21
CountXi finished halo last night06:21
MrDigital1I see I'm immortalized in your screenshot though :P06:21
jscinozapparently compiz 0.60 is out...06:21
erichji believe i read a quote once from adobe's president saying something to the effect that they keep raising their prices because their customers will pay whatever they ask.06:21
usserjscinoz: today06:22
hydrogenmostly because theres no competition06:22
mikubuntuMrDigital1: well, 'immortalized' is prolly an exaggeration, but yes, there you b...06:22
jscinozerichj, thats why adobe fails06:22
erichjwhich i understand. when your only real alternative is the gimp i see why people pay for photoshop06:22
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hydrogenkrita 2.0 is going to be really nice06:22
NeoThermicwoo06:23
macogwerichj: that's not the only real alternative.  paint shop pro is fantastic06:23
NeoThermicI just found a blank CD06:23
jmg_theres not much wrong with gimp06:23
erichjmy company paid for ps cs2 for me. i got off lucky there06:23
macogwit has a much easier to use UI than either the gimp or photoshop and ive yet to find something it cant do06:23
hydrogenjmg_: except for the vomit spewed across the screen that is known as the UI06:23
jscinozi can has CS2 bittorrent?06:23
frijoliehey all, i'm trying to get help here..I'm running Gutsy and every time it loads to the desktop my "kicker" is autohiding06:23
jmg_hydrogen: the ui is fine06:23
frijolieif i click on the area where it's supposed to be then it will magically appear06:23
mikubuntuhelp! please look at 'i imagage 116' and tell me what's wrong with ubuntu ... http://flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=106:23
macogwnote htat the last time i used it was psp8 and they're on 11, so i'm sure it's improved to "i'd never use that, but maybe someone would" levels06:23
hydrogenjmg_: even the gimp developers don't think that!06:24
h1st0frijolie: right click and go to properties and turn autohide off06:24
jmg_hydrogen: i find it quite usable06:24
erichjfrijolie, the fix for that is to click on the desktop and it appears06:24
frijoliebut I have to do this each and every time06:24
erichjmine does that too06:24
hydrogenjmg_: they are undergoing usability studies to redesign it currently06:24
macogwjmg_: so do i06:24
jmg_on both nix and win3206:24
frijolieh1st0: thanks already checked that one06:24
macogwit's least usable on a mac06:24
frijolieerichj: thanks didn't think of that myself06:24
macogwthat's apple's implementation of X11's fault06:24
jmg_hydrogen: cool06:24
CreationistCan someone please tell me how to customize additional panels?  Seems there's no way to adjust the size and add certain applets to anything but the Main Panel...06:24
mikubuntuthis happened upon my upgrading to gutsy about three days ago... been here every day looking for help ... arrrrggggghhhhh06:25
jscinozisnt apple's X11 like 4versions behind06:25
NeoThermicbah, wasn't blank06:25
macogwjscinoz: no idea.  i just know that if you hide the gimp, you really hide X, so then your Inkscape hides too06:25
macogwjscinoz: and you have to click on the window, then click the tool, then click the other window, then use the tool06:25
macogwjscinoz: you should just click the tool then use the tool, but instead X11-on-Mac makes you click first06:25
tonyyarussojscinoz: I can't seem to find it now.06:26
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erichjthe only thing i have ever been willing to pirate was tv shows. direct tv wants $300 to replace my dvr so i download the shows when i miss them06:26
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jscinozmacogw, wow that fails06:26
macogwerichj: why no mythtv?06:26
jmg_pff06:26
Laser87Hi everybody06:27
jmg_id pirate a ferrari if i could06:27
macogwjmg_: oh like you have the tools to make one if you got the source code for one06:27
jscinoztonyyarusso, dont worry, thanks anyways06:27
jmg_macogw: thats hardly relevant06:27
hydrogeni'd pirate your mom!06:27
hydrogenhah06:27
erichjmacogw, mainly because i don't have the time to setup a box for it. once there are drivers for my x-fi card that work under linux i will find the time06:27
hydrogenand with that witty retort06:27
hydrogeni'll idle again06:27
jmg_hydrogen: thanks06:28
jscinozGotta love the ubuntu community06:28
Zoiksmikubuntu: that looks like a display issue06:28
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Zoikswhats your graphics card?06:28
Laser87I'm using Firefox 3 Gran Paradiso and have a problem with the tabs06:28
jscinozhttp://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf06:28
frijolieany ideas on how to fix a taskbar that autohides?06:28
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Zoikshave you installed the proprietary drivers?06:28
frijoliewhen autohide has been unchecked?06:28
Zoikshave you posted ont he forums06:28
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Laser87when I open a new tab with right click and then close it again the last tab won't come but the tab left of the closed06:29
jmg_yarr06:29
Laser87reproducable?06:30
macogwLaser87: wait what?06:30
mikubuntuZoiks: ummm, rage mobility06:30
jmg_macogw: i only say it because we have these stupid unskippable anti piracy ads on our dvds that say "You wouldnt steal a purse, you wouldnt steal a car, you wouldnt steal a movie, DOWNLOADING MOVIES IS A CRIME"06:30
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macogwLaser87: i havent noticed a problem, but can you repeat those steps to reproduce because i didnt understand them06:30
jmg_so I want a tshirt that says06:30
erichjso after spending 4 days exploring Gutsy the only real problem i have is when i reboot. when GDM loads the icons are not where i left them.06:30
jmg_"you wouldnt steal a car.. but youd download one"06:30
macogwjmg_: nice06:30
macogwLaser87: what do you mean "the last tab won't come"?06:31
musikgoatanyone here use tilda?06:31
Laser87macogw: I have a tab open, then open another tab, this one appears on the far right06:31
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macogwLaser87: is this right-click->open in new tab or is this right click on a tab and hit "new tab"?06:31
Laser87and when I close this tab again, the tab left of it appears06:31
erichjmusikgoat, i used to until i starting longing for a better terminal06:31
Laser87sry - middle click06:31
hydrogentilda's the "its not quite yakuake" program?06:32
erichjdrop down terminal06:32
hydrogenyea06:32
erichjala quake console06:32
hydrogen"its not quite yakuake"06:32
Laser87but I want to come back to the tab from which I opened the new one06:32
musikgoati didn't care for yakuake cause of the crappy gnome functionality06:32
macogwLaser87: so close the last tab or the one from which you opened the new one?06:32
musikgoattilda turned out to be better imo06:32
hydrogenI don't care for gnome users so I guess we're even :)06:32
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musikgoat:-)06:32
Laser87hte last tab06:32
LynoureDoes Ubuntu (gnome) also have the problem of strigidaemon consuming massive amounts of CPU, or is that a kubuntu-only bug?06:32
macogwLaser87: ok so why do you consider it a bug for focus to move to the tab that is to the left of the one you close?06:33
riotkittietilda <306:33
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erichjwhere would i set zsh as my default shell instead of bash?06:33
macogwerichj: /etc/passwd06:33
Laser87macogw: Cos I want to get back to the tab from which I opened the new one - like in Firefox 206:34
hydrogeneven easier06:34
hydrogenchsh /usr/bin/zsh06:34
hydrogenerr06:34
macogwLaser87: i kinda doubt itll be considered a bug, more like just a change in functionality.  at most, a misfeature06:34
musikgoatquestion.  after I boot (i have tilda in session startup) when I drop down the section (usually transparent dark, with green text) is solid grey.   the terminal works... i can type exit and kill tilda.   restarting it from alt+f2 works fine.06:34
hydrogenchsh -s zsh USER06:34
erichjthanks hydrogen and macogw06:35
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Laser87macogw: u see, just openeing a linked picture in a new tab, looking at it, closing and go on06:35
macogwLaser87: for example, if you open 5 tabs off of one (like if you're going through a list of links) and you close one of them, you'd want to read the next tab you opened, not go back to the listing of them...you were in the middle of reading branches, afterall06:35
hydrogenchsh -s /usr/bin/zsh $(whoami)06:35
Laser87I think, that's important when u have a slow inet-connection06:35
erichjrecently discovered zsh, so useful06:36
macogwLaser87: how so? whats your connection's speed have to do with your tabs?06:37
macogwLynoure: is it called strigidaemon in top or just strigid?06:37
riotkittiei wish rt2500usb would not be so cruel to me and my need for an internet connection *weep*06:37
Laser87macogw: that's ok, but I often have a lot of tabs open. When I then read on the far left tab, open a new tab, closing this new tab, I want to get back from where I started06:37
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macogwLaser87: i actually would really like that thing ie7 does where the tabs are sort of a tree...what you open from one tab opens next to its parent so that you can sort of group tabs06:38
Laser87macogw:  I can read the text of a tab, while waiting to get a picture :-)06:38
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erichjdo i need to logout/in after changing that?06:38
riotkittieinstall the tab mix plus extension for greater control over your tab placement. <shrug>06:38
macogwLaser87: not everyone likes that....but an option might be nice.  seems theres a few options thatd be nice06:39
macogwriotkittie: very few extensions work on gran paradiso06:39
pumaSCIM disappear06:39
Laser87macogw: sry, what is an ie? Something to eat?06:39
macogwi have no download statusbar or firebug with ff306:39
macogwLaser87: microsoft's "web browser" that fails miserably at rendering anything06:39
riotkittieoh. i was not aware we were talking about gp :P    i only /window'ed to this tab breifly to whine about my wireless :P06:40
mikubuntuok, i give up trying to fix this issue .... think i'll just to a reinstall of feisty to get my desktop back... only one problem, i want to email my 'tomboy notes' out of this system, but i CANT06:40
Lynouremacogw: strigidaemon06:40
pumaSCIM disappear on bar.06:40
macogwmikubuntu: export html and email that?06:40
mikubuntuFIND THEM... does anybody know wehre TomBoy Notes are stored?06:40
macogwmikubuntu: oh... ~/.tomboy06:40
macogwi assume06:40
Laser87I guess I have to look for an extension if this ain't a bug, but a feature06:40
riotkittielack of extensions is why i always lag on new versions of ff. i feel so naked without them. :|06:40
frostburnwhat extensions aren't ported to newer versions?06:41
pumaSCIM disappeared, what happen?06:41
macogwLynoure: i dont see that daemon06:41
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macogwfrostburn: none of mine06:41
Laser87macogw: Or I will contact Mozilla06:41
pumaanyone helps06:41
mikubuntumacogw:  i don't know, i've looked everywhere for any file with 'tomboy' in it and no can find ...06:41
macogwLaser87: report it on their bugzilla and ask that an option be put in preferences06:41
macogwmikubuntu: did you look in ~/.tomboy ?06:42
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riotkittiemikubuntu: where are you looking? nautilus?06:42
Laser87macogw:  thank you, will do that06:42
macogwctrl+H on nautilus06:42
riotkittieor some other gui thingie? if so, its' hidden06:42
macogwto show hidden files06:42
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riotkittiethingie. i fail at computer literacy. :D06:42
erich_woo it worked06:42
puma???06:43
Lynouremacogw: hmm, I guess that explains it. Someone was just assuming the same process would be in Ubuntu, too06:44
macogwi dont know what that process does, but its not showing in my system monitor (i cant figure out how to search in top)06:44
pumaSCIM problem06:44
mikubunturiotkittie: i'm looking under desktop, home directory (mikubuntu), documents, music, can't find it anywhwere06:45
riotkittiemikubuntu: in a GUI file browser? and you've opted to view hidden files?06:45
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mikubunturiotkittie: i just opened yahoo/compose/attach/browse/ to look thru files to upload out, but can't find any of the tomboy notes06:47
Laser87mikubuntu: u can serch for it - places, search, advanced options, show hidden06:47
Laser87mikubuntu: sry - I don't have an English Ubuntu06:48
musikgoatanyone have this issue?   after I boot (i have tilda in session startup) when I drop down the section (usually transparent dark, with green text) is solid grey.   the terminal works... i can type exit and kill tilda.   restarting it from alt+f2 works fine.06:49
Evanlecmusikgoat, what is the issue? and how did u configure it to start on boot?06:49
Lynouremacogw: It's part of a desktop search system06:50
musikgoatEvanlec: created a session startup item for tilda06:50
Evanlecmusikgoat, okay, whats the issue then?06:50
musikgoatwhen that starts,  and i drop down tilda,  it is solid grey and i cant see text06:51
musikgoati have to exit the app and restart it for it to work correctly06:52
Evanlechm06:52
musikgoati've deleted the config and recreated it06:52
Evanleci just installed tilda06:52
musikgoati've uninstalled/reinstalled06:52
Evanlecit does seem a little screwy06:52
Evanlecnot using my config i just created with tilda -C06:53
Evanlecmaybe i needed root06:53
musikgoatit only happens after you've customized the settings (like i did),  and reboot06:53
musikgoatthe config should go in ~/.tilda/06:53
musikgoatconfig_0 would be the name i believe06:54
Evanlecafter running tilda -C i get (tilda:14465): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed06:54
musikgoati get that too from the command line06:55
musikgoatbut it starts right06:55
Evanlecand config_0 and config_1 are completely empty files06:55
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musikgoathmm, i don't see that06:56
Evanlecand if i run 'tilda' it opens somehow with the custom settings, but wont go away with06:56
reversebladehow do I enable compiz ?06:56
Evanlecpressing the tilda key lo.l06:56
reversebladeI've just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy and I see no desktop effects06:56
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musikgoatheh, its set for f1 by default06:56
musikgoatodd :-p06:56
Evanlecreverseblade, system > preferences > Desktop Effects06:56
reversebladeEvanlec, there is no such item in preferences06:57
Evanlecreverseblade, try under administration then06:57
reversebladeEvanlec, there is no either06:57
macogwreverseblade: compiz --replace06:57
Evanlecreverseblade, sorry, it should be under the "appearance" applet06:58
macogwreverseblade: you should install compizconfig-settings-manager to get all the cool stuff06:58
gunnyreverseblade: System Prefs, Appearance, Visual Effects,06:58
gunnyreverseblade: or install ccsm06:58
reversebladetitle bars are gone06:58
reversebladearghh06:58
gunnyreverseblade: need to add window decorator06:58
gunnygunny: rage quit06:59
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gunnyany ideas why the compiz screenshot plugin just creates an empty png file ?07:00
reversebladeI have compiz-core installed but not compiz07:00
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reversebladealso when I choose desktop effects the title bars are being gone07:01
macogwreverseblade: you need the window decorator, emerald.  it may be installed and not running.  type "emerald" to make it go07:01
reverseblademacogw, emerald: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"07:01
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macogwreverseblade: emerald --replace then07:01
macogwreverseblade: in here, type "/msg fusiobot icon" and do what he says to get the fusion-icon from git.  itll get you the nice applet like beryl had for configuration07:02
gunnyi didn't think emerald was used any more in gutsy07:02
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gunnyits been removed in my upgrade07:03
reversebladeI 've done emerald --replace enabled visual effects still title bars are gone07:03
gunnyyou need to add/enable  the specific window decorator plugin07:03
Zoiksreverseblade: are you using gutsy?07:03
reversebladeZoiks, yes07:03
Zoiksi had that problem when trying to use fusion on feisty07:04
reversebladejust upgraded from fiesty to gutsy07:04
Zoiksits working fine in gutsy though07:04
reversebladeand I was earlier using beryl successfully07:04
reversebladein  fiesty07:04
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reversebladegunny, how ?07:04
gunnydo you have all the compiz packages installed and the compiz config settings manager installed ?07:05
macogwemerald is definitely the window decorator for fusion07:05
reverseblade<reverseblade> I have compiz-core installed but not compiz07:05
gunnynot for me07:05
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gunnyreverseblade: install compiz, compiz-gnome, compiz-fusion-plugins and compizconfig-settings-manager07:06
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macogwcan someone please play a game of gnome-sudoku and try to use the hint boxes within the boxes (i just realized they have space for 3 rows of text, small one for putting numbers it could be, large for the one you think it is, and another small for possible numbers)07:06
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macogwlet me know if sometimes when you go to type in one of the "possible" boxes of notes, when you click on it, a solid white box comes up instead of a text box where you can actually see the data you're enterint07:07
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gunnyreverseblade: and compiz-plugins07:08
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musikgoatmacogw: I get a keypad to select the possible #07:11
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Laser87macogw: up row - a white field, where you can type text07:12
Laser87macogw: middle row - big one with keypad to put in the solution07:12
macogwbottom row, sometimes i get the text field to put text07:12
Laser87down row - possible numbers, sudoku gives you07:13
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macogwand sometimes i get a plain white box.  i can type and when i click elsewhere the text will show there.07:13
erichjsounds like notepad to me07:14
macogwbut when i want to change or backspace out that text and all i have is the solid white box, once i read the last character in it, the white box turns into the top part of a window's decorations (like with the shade, minimize, close buttons) and wont go away07:14
gunnyso who's running intel sound ICH6 ALC880 or similiar, laptop in my case..any probs with microphones and alsa?07:16
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Laser87macogw: if I want to change this text, I still can see the original text with orange background...07:17
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macogwits not every time....07:18
macogwdo you ever have where there's a white rectangle and it doesnt have a text box?07:19
macogwit happens to me a couple times each game07:19
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Laser87Everything ok til now - keep on trying07:21
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Creationisthmm07:23
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xubeanHey experts, i have problem with upgrading to gutsy beta, think anyone can help me?07:24
Laser87xubean: just ask07:25
xubeanalright... i tried doing the normal upgrade stuff, but i think it stopped somewhere in the middle, now it keeps downloading all these files but doesn't upgrade...07:25
xubeanwhen i run upgrade manager i get the error - "Can no upgrade A upgrade from 'gutsy' to 'feisty' is not supported with this tool."07:26
xubeanit has to do something with dpkg and tzdata07:26
xubeanI think some files were upgraded to gutsy and some files weren't so..! any ideas?07:27
macogwxubean: you mean bug #112466 ?07:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112466 in update-manager "Prompted to Upgrade from Gutsy to Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11246607:27
xubeanyeah i think so, i searched online and i think that's the bug number i saw, but i'm not sure07:27
macogw(havent actually read it yet, but when you said gutsy to feisty, i went "i just saw that browsing bugs!")07:28
macogwclick on the link from ubotu07:28
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Darkstrikerhi ppl07:29
Darkstrikerhow can i setup dual monitor in gusty???07:29
Jordan_UAnyone know how to get splashy working in Gutsy?07:29
Jordan_UDarkstriker, System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics07:29
xubeanyeah, that's the bug, has it been fixed yet? (i'm still browsing on the website)07:29
Darkstrikeryeah i figured but i dont have a menu saying screens and graphics07:30
Jordan_UDarkstriker, Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?07:30
Darkstrikerohhh..07:30
Darkstrikersry nevermind07:30
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xubeanso any help for me? i don't see a solution in the bug report07:31
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Darkstrikerk i get the screens and graphic stuffy but it seems to crash the moment i want to add my second monitor because that one isnt corretly recognized...07:32
xubeananybody? help? please!?07:34
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Laser87xubean: is the system running at the moment?07:35
xubeanyes07:35
Laser87xubean: bug is reported... you can confirm it - and wait07:36
xubeanoh man!.. thanks though...07:37
macogwLaser87: thats not what "confirm" means07:37
macogwLaser87: confirm is confirming that there is enough data for the developer to work with07:37
Laser87xubean:  I have no idea, I'm luckily running Gutsy Gibbon uptodate07:37
xubeanoh u're lucky...07:38
xubeani wanted to try it out for my dual screen setup... i guess i'll just have to wait until the actual release on oct 18.. huh?07:38
h1st0wth I think my virtualbox keeps loking up installing beta07:38
Jordan_UDarkstriker, Please check if there is a bug report already and if not file one07:38
Laser87macogw: sry, English is not my native language - I meant he cab tell, that he has the same problem07:38
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macogwLaser87: oh its not a language thing.  it's "the bugsquad gave overly simple names for statuses and everybody misinterprets them, so now nobody knows what a bug's TRUE status is"07:39
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Laser87macogw: right - I just thought, it would be the right word *ashamed*07:40
gunnyguys anyone know why compiz screenshot just creates an empty png file?07:40
xubeandoes anybody know about this error then? "E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10"07:40
reversebladeHello when I turn on compiz my computer completely locks up within few minutes. but works fine when compiz is turned off. I am using nvidia. Any ideas ?07:40
reversebladexubean, it means there is some error in the post installation script of the item you are installing07:40
xubeanso, any way to fix that?07:41
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gunnyreverseblade: have you run nvidia-settings and see if that works ok07:41
reversebladexubean, depends on the package07:42
xubeanhehe.. alright... thanks guys... i gotta sleep now..07:42
reversebladegunny, I opened nvidia-settings what to do now ?07:42
macogwLaser87: most people do think that. i did that a bunch then some bugsquad people pointed it out07:42
gunnyreverseblade: is there some kind of defaults setting, also in compiz are you running just the simple setup e.g.  System/Prefs/Appearance, Visual Effects none or Normal?07:44
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reversebladegunny, if I set the visual effects to none then this means disabling compiz right ?07:45
gunnyreverseblade: yep just interested if this stops the crashing...07:46
reversebladegunny, <reverseblade> Hello when I turn on compiz my computer completely locks up within few minutes. but works fine when compiz is turned off07:46
Laser87macogw: What would be right to say: it's the same at me? thx07:46
macogwLaser87: good question.  i saw someone refer to it as metoo-ing07:47
macogwsince you say "me too"07:47
reversebladegunny, so basically freezing only occur when I turn on compiz07:47
Laser87macogw: great word - I like it :-)07:47
Ahadielnn07:48
gunnyhave you done a complete system / dist-upgrade and check everything is up to date07:48
erichjnew ubuntu studio theme is slick07:48
erichjmuch nicer than the previous07:48
reversebladegunny, I have upgraded from fiesty to gutsy07:49
reversebladegunny, and everything is up to date , cause I 've upgrded today07:49
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jmlhello all.07:52
jmlI'm looking for a work-around for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/14435607:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144356 in flashplugin-nonfree "Audio from Flash in Firefox does not go to correct sound device" [Undecided,New] 07:53
gunnyreverseblade: which nvidia card is it?07:54
reversebladeglx 680007:55
reversebladeI think07:55
reversebladebo07:55
reversebladeno07:55
reversebladege force go 720007:55
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wilberfanI can't seem to get ipv6 disabled...  Tried the standard method...07:59
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gunnyreverseblade: laptop ?  you could try reinstalling the nvidia drivers...should be no problem with the card i am using a go 680007:59
Laser87is it possible to send a standard-reply automatically when I get an email with a .doc with tb or evolution?08:00
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CountXi dont want to buy vista, or a 260 to play  halo 2, how can i freakin play i other than going to a friends house?08:03
frostburnCountX, steal?08:04
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dfgashttp://burhite.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=162608:06
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kanjo_I would greatly appreciate if someone here can point me to a tutorial or article on how to recompile Gutsy kernel, I tried the way described in KernelCustomBuild WIKI but the result is not like I expected. I am talking about how to recompile and make deb packages so there will be kernel-image package and ubuntu-modules package08:17
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Zoiksif I just want to wipe a hard drive to start afresh and make new partitions08:20
Zoiksis the installer tool good enough for that or is there a better choice?08:20
Hobbseeinstaller works fine08:21
macogwyeah thatd be fine08:21
kanjo_I feel very lost here, it seems to me Ubuntu doesn't provide a detail article on recompiling the kernel that is exactly like the official kernel packages. Are there any reasons behind this?08:22
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Zoiksoh and what is the best fs to use08:23
Zoiksi have always used ext3 on linux08:24
Zoiksbut a mate is telling me reiserFS is far better08:24
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kanjo_Zoiks: try XFS08:24
kanjo_Zoiks: you won't regret08:24
Ramlaext3 is good. reiser, at least version 3 is less reliable and it's faster only when handling lots and lots of very small files08:24
ZoiksXFS?08:25
kanjo_Zoiks: ya08:25
Zoikswhat do the others think about xfs08:27
RAOFIt doesn't handle power-outages very well, at least anecdotally.08:31
RAOFAlso, there's not really a particularly compelling reason to use anything but ext3 unless you have special needs.08:32
Zoiksfair enough08:32
AmaranthXFS is really for file servers08:33
Zoiksjust the quick reading i have done then seems to suggest xfs is a bit faster and more reliable then ext308:33
RAOFBut go crazy!  There's nothing particularly *wrong* with XFS, or JFS, or ReiserFS, or...08:33
Amaranthext3 is the best general purpose fs08:33
RAOFZoiks: I think they were lying, at least about the "more reliable" part.  Maybe more reliable if you've got a UPS, and never ever crash.08:33
Amaranththe rest sacrifice stability for speed, vice versa, or optimize for certain tasks while making other tasks slower08:33
ZoiksRAOF: it was something to do with processing IMAX film. Said ext3 and ext2 resulted in dropped frames while xfs did not08:35
AmaranthZoiks: yeah that'd be the kind of thing XFS is optimized for08:35
RAOFZoiks: Right.  So, that's a very, very specialised task, that XFS is good for.08:35
RAOF"I want to push vast quantities of coherent data to the disc, really really quickly."08:35
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CreationistDoes anyone know of a tutorial site that will show how to install a WORKING Compiz Fusion in Kubuntu Gutsy?  Just installing "compiz" doesn't do the trick.08:36
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AmaranthRAOF: which it does by _not_ pushing it but sticking it in RAM ;)08:36
RAOFAmaranth: Heh.08:36
pixli noticed a problem with xscreensaver after waking up from sleep.. I cannot enter my password :S The only solution is to click switch user and login again08:37
Amaranthpixl: compiz?08:37
pixlyeah08:37
Amaranthpixl: fully up-to-date?08:37
pixlyeag08:38
pixlupdated today morning08:38
Amaranthhrm08:38
Amaranthpixl: Unredirect Fullscreen Windows enabled?08:38
pixlhow do I check?08:38
AmaranthDo you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?08:39
pixlmm08:39
pixlgeneral?08:39
Amaranthyeah08:39
pixlyup its checked08:39
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Amaranthuncheck it and see if it still happens (lock your screen)08:39
AmaranthWe 'fixed' this for gnome-screensaver08:40
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Viroohi08:40
pixlnice it works, thnx08:40
Viroowhere can I get multimedia codecs for gusty ?08:40
AmaranthRAOF: xscreensaver not supported? :)08:41
AmaranthViroo: they're installed on demand08:41
RAOFAmaranth: I don't think it's in main :)08:41
Viroobut shouldnt I put an additional repository in the sources.list08:41
RAOFAmaranth: Bah, yes it is.08:41
AmaranthRAOF: Sure, for xubuntu08:42
AmaranthRAOF: But we don't particularly care about Kubuntu or Xubuntu issues though08:42
Viroohow about mp3 support, the bmp cant playback my files08:42
AmaranthOh, beep-media-player08:42
AmaranthWhy not use rhythmbox?08:42
Zoiks:( i just crashed the installer08:43
Viroodoes it support mp308:43
RAOFOr banshee, or $MEDIA_PLAYER08:43
AmaranthViroo: yes08:43
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RAOFAmaranth: Out of the box?08:43
AmaranthRAOF: No but we have that fancy on demand codec installer08:44
GNinedoes compiz integrates well with Xubuntu 7.10?08:44
AmaranthGNine: Not at all08:44
AmaranthGNine: It'll work like a GNOME app08:44
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AmaranthPulling in half of GNOME, using GNOME settings, GNOME tools, etc08:44
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Virooit cant find the gstream plugin to decode08:45
GNineok.. let me rephrase, will it work even tho i have Xcfe?08:45
AmaranthViroo: Ok just install all the gstreamer0.10-* packages08:45
AmaranthGNine: It'll 'work'08:45
cellofellowHow do I add workspaces to the gnome desktop? If I open the Preferences box for the Switcher applet, it doesn't give me that option.08:45
AmaranthGNine: But we don't pay any particular attention to making it work08:45
GNinewill i lose xcfe after ...?08:45
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AmaranthNo, just xfwm08:46
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GNinei got compiz located on synaptic.  marking it for installation is all that is required?08:48
GNineor should i expect any manual modification of configuration files even if everything went well with installation08:49
pixlyou will probably have to add a few things to xorg.cong08:50
AmaranthGNine: well, you'll have to set it to run on startup, if that's what you want08:50
Amaranthand if you use nvidia you probably have to add something to xorg.conf08:50
GNinei do08:50
Amaranthsudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visuals08:51
GNineany wiki on what is that exactly08:51
GNineoh.. gotcha08:51
GNinei already got the restricted drivers08:51
cellofellowodd, why is gEdit defaulting to maximized?08:51
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RAOFAmaranth: He shouldn't have to do nvidia-xconfig, right?  restricted-manager adds the appropriate foo.08:53
GNineshould i run that sudo line b4 installation?08:53
pixlhow do I change background color that flls the screen right after I login and before gnome starts up?08:53
AmaranthRAOF: 1) People think they're smart enough to not need restricted-manager and 2) Xubuntu08:54
RAOFAmaranth: Bah!  I always forget that strange people use !Gnome :)08:54
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pixleven though i have background color set to black both in login setting and appearance, my screen gets filled with the default ubuntu brown08:54
GNineyah.. it does the same thing in my Xubuntu as well, pixl08:56
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GNineit dont bother me tho08:56
riotkittiei am using ndiswrapper, and it makes me feel so dirty. i just thought i'd share.08:57
pixlwell I got a black login and dark wallpaper.. so it does bother me :P08:57
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GNinexubuntu login is blue and my desktop is blue as well.. i got that brown in between.. at least black/brown is more fashionable than blue/brown    :-P08:59
riotkittieblue is so last year08:59
GNinewell.. i have a windows user next to me.. so i thought i would try and "blend" in09:00
GNineheh09:00
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riotkittiemy desktop is plaid. with lime green piping.09:00
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Crozarhey guys why doesnt ubuntu have right click show preview forexample * Pictures , yes sometimes ill be looking for a pic i want to preview it before have it selected.09:02
riotkittieok. i lied.  it's a lovely shade of cat puke :|09:02
GNinenobody has a recommendation about doing  "sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visual "  before or after compiz installation09:03
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GNine?09:03
RAOFGNine: Doesn't matter.09:04
GNine10-409:04
RAOFGNine: You probably don't even need to run it, but if you do, run it before you start compiz.09:04
KenSentMeI have a problem with Wine that seems to be fixed in 0.9.46 while 0.9.45 is in the Gutsy repo. Is there a chance that .46 will hit the repositories?09:05
Crozarguys my keyboard doing a sound whenever i type help!!!09:05
Crozardoing tot tot tot tot on the speakers whenever i type09:05
GNinealright.. that poses the Q:  how do i know if i need to do that?   i have restricted drivers good to go. Nvidia. fresh upgrade to 7.10 on Xfce4 desktop.09:05
RAOFKenSentMe: Very unlikely, but possible.09:06
RAOFGNine: You'll be able to tell if none of your windows have titlebars :)09:06
pixlGNine if you cant see window border run the rhb visulas line09:06
frostburnactually where would be the best place to get the latest wine binaries once gutsy comes out, besides compiling09:06
RAOFfrostburn: winehq.org09:06
GNinegroovy.  ok.. let me hunt the beast then.09:07
RAOFfrostburn: They have repositories :)09:07
frostburnRAOF, i heard they weren't going to add gutsy since it's in the regular repo09:07
frostburnshrug,09:07
GNineone last Q.  is compiz going to be in my programs menu after install?09:08
RAOFfrostburn: Maybe.  If so, that'd mean that they had a standing freeze exception.  It's entirely possible that wine has one of those.09:08
RAOFGNine: No.09:08
GNineso , how do i call it09:08
RAOFGNine: compiz --replace on a terminal, and you can add that to your startup apps09:08
GNineok. now to hunt the beast.  heh09:09
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GNinei see a bunch of "compiz" packages in synaptic.09:10
GNineam guessing the one simply called "compiz " is the one i should mark?09:11
RAOF"compiz" should pull in all the ones you need.  You may also want compizconfig-settings-manager09:11
GNineokeydockey..09:11
GNine:)09:11
Crozarguys my keyboard doing a sound whenever i type help!!!09:12
CountXlol09:12
pixlGNine and youll probably want compiz-fusion-plugins*09:12
GNineok.. looking...09:12
GNinethe only one not being pulled is that one RAOF  just point out last09:14
GNine(marking it anyway)09:14
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GNineso.. now i need to restart X?09:18
RAOFNo.09:19
RAOFJust start compiz.09:19
pixlcompiz --indirect-rendering --replace09:19
RAOFIgnore the --indirect-rendering bit, probably :)09:19
pixli find compiz to be alot more stable with indirect rendering..09:19
pixlwithout it i get glitches09:19
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RAOFpixl: Oh, so nvidia doesn't lock the box when compiz shuts down with --indirect-rendering anymore? :P09:20
GNinehmm09:20
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pixlhavent had such problems.. on the other hand without it i sometimes get black windows and flickering video overlays09:21
GNinei got 2ghz cpu and 1gig RAM...  would that help in choosing indirect or otherwise?09:21
RAOFGNine: Not really.  Graphics card (and drivers) is more important.09:22
pixlalso latest nvidia driver v. 100.xxx is crap.. 7xxx version is more stable.. at least with my gf 7300 on my laptop09:22
GNinei got that driver09:22
GNineok.. i'll go indirect then09:22
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pixlGNine use indirect to be on the safe side.. if you run into trouble for some reason try without it :P09:23
RAOFpixl: ??09:23
pixl?09:23
RAOFpixl: The 7xxx version doesn't even *support* that card?09:23
RAOFpixl: nvidia-glx-new really are the drivers that you want to be using.09:23
RAOFpixl: Also, if you're using the 7xxx drivers, then you're using Xgl :)09:24
pixlyes it does.. and 100 version results in garbage on the screen, lockups when restarting x and death upon wakeup from sleep :P09:24
GNineand thats a sudo line , right?09:24
RAOFNo.09:25
GNinek09:25
RAOFNo, no, no :)09:25
pixloh wait sorry.. my bad I was wrong about the version.. i use 9639 :)09:25
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cellojoewhat card are we working on?09:25
GNineit just told me xgl is not present ..09:26
RAOFGNine: That's fine, it's not necessary.09:27
cellojoemine says 'device not found'09:27
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GNineok.. but .. compiz aborted ..09:27
user01wow this last set of updates broke lots on my system09:27
riotkittieglee. i'm looking forward to updating now :P09:28
cellojoei keep hoping that there'll be an update to something, and it'll fix everything :P09:28
user01:)09:28
user01only 16 days left till it works :D09:28
erichjoccasionally i am proud of microsoft http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/zune/firstgen-zune-getting-all-the-new-features-this-is-how-you-treat-your-customers-306422.php09:28
riotkittieso we hope :o09:28
cellojoewhat other times have you been proud of MS?09:29
user01im suprised they hadnt even done a kernel freeze when i started downloading a week ago09:29
pixlGNine make sure you have all neede x extensions loaded.. check out my config at http://www.schreder.nu/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_on_EasyNote09:29
pixllook at the "Load" lines at the top09:30
riotkittiewow thats pretty decent of them.09:30
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user01im waiting for openmoko :D09:30
pixli have to update my tutorial on installing compiz fusion :p its alot easier now...09:30
erichjcellojoe, when ms released my mouse. i realized that microsoft was actually capable of releasing a product that could be called perfect..imho09:31
user01hmmm totem died now too09:32
cellojoeerichj: which mouse it that?09:32
erichjms wireless notebook laser mouse 600009:32
erichjit's like it was molded just for my hand. best mouse i have ever used09:33
cellojoethat's a sweet lookin mouse09:33
cellojoelooks like a logitech one i used09:33
user01loos like the logitech one i use09:34
erichjwhich one?09:34
riotkittiemy husband wants to steal my logitech mouse. which he bought and paid for, but thats besides the point :'(09:35
user01v27009:36
erichji used to use a logitech v470 until i found my 600009:36
macogwif i want to submit a script as an easter egg for maybe gutsy, or at least hardy, where would i do that?09:36
cellojoeum... the v270 doesn't look anything like the ms 600009:36
macogwits not a patch against a package, so im not sure what to do09:37
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user01umm its a mouse they all look the same more or less09:37
cellojoewell... yes09:37
erichj270 is just ugly09:37
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user01erichj:  i wouldnt know i just use it to click not to put on fashion shows09:38
erichjuser01, you wouldn't last a day as a mac user then09:38
cellojoelol09:38
user01erichj:  thank god09:38
erichjhaha09:38
GNineis this the time to run that   sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visuals?    however.. it says xgl  not   glx   was not found09:38
user01user01:  thats why i erased my ipod firware and replaced it with a nix clone09:39
RAOFGNine: Yes, probably time to xconfig.09:39
erichjbed time for me09:39
erichjlater everyone09:39
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kbrosnanIf I enable the Nvidia drivers X appears to hang and I end up pressing the reset switch and must switch back to the nv drivers.09:40
RAOFGNine: Because you don't have it installed.  This is not a problem.09:41
GNineso the theory is that i dont need xgl ...?09:41
RAOFGNine: It's just that the compiz wrapper has to do some different things when you're using Xgl.09:41
GNineok09:41
GNinerunning the sudo line now09:41
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kbrosnani am using i386 kernel and my video card is a 8600gt09:42
RAOFkbrosnan: Well, the i386 kernel is probably a mistake, you probably want -generic.09:43
RAOFkbrosnan: Also, *when* does X appear to hang?09:44
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kbrosnanbefore any gui loads, just after the ubuntu progress bar09:44
Blackgoth\o/ gutsy ftw09:45
GNinewell.. ran the config line ok.  went back to call compiz  indirect-rendering --replace, same xgl missing message..09:45
kbrosnanactually just checked uname and it is the generic09:45
RAOFGNine: And after that?09:45
Blackgothkbrosnan, do you have a ATI card?09:45
GNinenothing after tha09:45
GNinet09:45
kbrosnanBlackgoth: no see a few lines up nvidia 860009:45
RAOFGNine: Nothing at all?  The system freezes?09:46
Blackgothi kinda missed that, using a bnc :+09:46
GNineno. it just doesnt start compiz.. system is stable09:46
RAOFGNine: If it wasn't starting Compiz, it would say "Continuing with fallback WM..."09:46
GNineso.. where is this xgl at ... cause compiz wants it09:47
RAOFGNine: Why do you think that compiz isn't running? ;)09:47
Blackgothare you using the ubuntu drivers or the ubuntu drivers?09:47
Blackgoth*nvidia drivers09:47
kbrosnantried both, same results09:47
GNineoh.. yah.. that.. it just falls back to metacity .. xfce4 in this case ..09:47
Blackgothand when you use compiz --replace what does it say?09:48
RAOFGNine: Can you pastebin the full output?  It *can't* just say "Xgl: not present", there has to be more :)09:48
GNinethat is all..09:48
GNine:-/09:48
musikgoati would like to do a clean install of gutsy, and would like to export my installed list of synaptic.  is this easily possible?09:48
RAOFBut there's the "falling back to..." thing, yes?  That's not *just* Xgl: no :P09:48
Blackgothmusikgoat: yes actually09:49
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musikgoati've tried the generate package download script, but i think i could be using that wrong09:49
musikgoatits blank bash shell script09:49
Blackgothmusikgoat: do a locate on .deb files09:49
Blackgothit should be somewhere in /var/ something09:49
musikgoatok09:49
GNinethe first thing is check for xgl .. it dont find it. so it falls back to metacity .. which in turn still wants to find the indirect-rendering and of course, thats an unknown option for metacity..09:49
kbrosnanmy xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39432/09:50
Blackgothjust backup that dir, and when you are done with the reinstall just dpkg -i *09:50
musikgoatthats whats installed?09:50
musikgoatahh09:50
musikgoati c09:50
musikgoatthanks09:50
GNineso.. am just gonna look in synaptic for xgl ...09:51
RAOFGNine: You'll find it.  However...09:51
GNineor.. maybe i should just run compiz without the indirect-rendering part09:52
macogwanyone interested in running a stranger-on-the-internet's script?09:52
jmg_macogw: sif09:52
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musikgoatBlackgoth:  /var/cache/apt/archives/   has a ton of .deb09:52
GNinehowever ...?  RAOF09:52
RAOFGNine: That's a good idea :)09:52
macogwjmg: sif?09:53
RAOFGNine: However, I'm looking at the compiz script, and it *cannot* output only "Xgl: not present" :)09:53
jmgmacogw: expands to "as if"09:53
RAOFGNine: And you should be able to run compiz without Xgl.09:54
macogwjmg: oh.  its like 12 lines and it's a bash script, so you can read it.  and it's mine09:54
jmgmacogw: what does it do?09:54
macogwwell, you type "make me a sandwich" and it response09:54
macogw*responds09:54
jmgno?09:54
jmghaha09:54
jmgwhere is it?09:54
macogwand if you sudo it...09:54
jmgit says OK?09:54
macogwhttp://colbyframeco.com/~maco/nix/sandwich.tar.gz09:55
macogwif you just untar it you'd do ./make me a sandwich09:55
macogwif you put it in /usr/local/bin, you don't need the ./09:55
GNineok.. i have "something" going on.. some desktop effects kicked in.. but terminal is throwing a "...pager needs to be fixed" message now09:55
macogwGNine: are you unable to see the whole message? you can cat it to a file and then less it09:56
GNine"meta-window-activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp"09:57
GNinethats coming from the window-manager09:58
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Blackgothmusikgoat: thats the dir :)10:06
GNineWindow manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x3800020 (Terminal -) is the issue now..   :-/10:07
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Blackgoth:P10:07
tekhawkanyone here work with java10:07
RAOFGNine: You don't really need to worry about that.  That's just compiz complaining about buggy programs.10:08
tekhawktrying to figure out why i cant run a simple print class without Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: poping u10:08
tekhawkupo10:08
GNinelooked pretty alarming on the terminal window.   and its just looping ...10:09
BlackgothFontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: XML declaration not well-formed10:09
Blackgothare you getting that too?10:09
GNineok.. so i pulled the compiz manager .. all i have to do now is click away on the features?10:10
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cellojoewho wants to say my nick so i can test a setting?10:12
Hobbseecellojoe: not me10:12
cellojoemuuuuuch better. no more libnotify errors :) thanks10:13
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cellojoei probably should've fixed libnotify, but instead i just disabled it10:13
RAOFcellojoe: I believe just installing libnotify-bin would have fixed it for you10:14
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cellojoehm... in the repos?10:15
RAOFYes.10:15
CreationistI'm running Kubuntu Gutsy.  Can anyone tell me why, all of a sudden, my ability to "Switch User' has completely disappeared?10:15
tekhawkanyone know if there is any post apt stuff needed to get JDK working10:15
cellojoeRAOF: it's already installed10:16
RAOFcellojoe: Ah.  Well, then...10:18
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cellojoeheh, thanks tho10:18
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cellojoelibnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session10:19
cellojoethat's what it'd say10:19
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RAOFAh, right.  It's a problem *in* libnotify-bin.  Or rather, a problem finding the session bus.10:19
cellojoethat is... using irssi in screen thru ssh10:19
RAOFAs am I.10:20
cellojoes'the only way to do it10:20
cellojoehow did we ever get by w/o screen?10:20
cellojoeanyway, i'm off.10:21
Creationist!iirc10:22
ubotuIIRC means "if I remember correctly"10:22
cellojoe@chuck10:23
cellojoeawww10:23
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GNineas soon as i closed the terminal window compiz crashed my whole system10:23
Creationisthmm... I really need to leave my session open and allow others to login, but the "Switch user" option has disappeared.... anyone know how I can do this?10:23
GNinei had to fix xorg10:23
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GNineand i had lost my borders right before the crash too10:25
RAOFGNine: Yes, that'll happen :).  Becuase closing the terminal window closed compiz, so you didn't have a window manager.10:25
tux_flanyone know about the dhcp bug in gutsy?10:25
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GNineso whats the advanced desktop effects settings10:26
GNinehow do i "get" the window manager10:27
GNineam getting a s*** load of updates just now10:29
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Blackgothshooo!10:31
Blackgoth:P10:31
tiger_ hi there, conky shows 100% cpu usage all the time on my amd turion machine.However, both top and ps aux show normal cpu activities ?10:31
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Eq|workthen conky is wrong.10:35
Blackgothconky is WORNG!10:36
Blackgothsorry, tad too mutch 4chan10:36
tiger_:d yes, I know that. But is there any workaround or at least known bug10:36
Blackgothtiger_: ill install conky on my laptop, just a sec10:37
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Blackgothtiger_: must be something you did, works fine here :P10:39
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(Blackgoth/#ubuntu+1) tiger_: I have 2 dualcores here, without a problem10:42
(tiger_/#ubuntu+1) Gutsy/amd64 on an amd machine ?10:43
(Blackgoth/#ubuntu+1) yes10:43
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BlackgothLinux heavy 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux10:43
Blackgothmodel: 6710:44
Blackgothmodel name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+10:44
Blackgothmodel: 6710:44
Blackgothmodel name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+10:44
Blackgoth:>10:44
tiger_hehe . Then it is something personal with conky.10:44
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tiger_anyhow, I will look for another system monitor. Thanks ;)10:45
Vhataupdate-manager -d is giving me MD5Sum mismatch errors on Packages.bz2 - how long should I wait before retrying?10:46
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aldanonanyone here good at creating drivers?11:17
aldanoni'm trying to setup the new 64bit x-fi drivers with no joy11:17
jmgheh11:17
aldanonuh oh that didnt sound good hehe11:17
jmgfile a bug11:18
aldanoni know compiling drivers isn't fun11:18
jmgagainst alsa] 11:18
aldanonusr13 filling you in? ;)11:18
usr13He's done ok up until make11:19
usr13WARNING: Error inserting haxfi11:19
usr13FATAL: Error inserting ctalsa11:19
jmgEr..11:19
Eq|workthat sounds like it's built fine..11:20
Eq|workhas depmod been run since inserting the modules into /lib/modules ?11:20
Eq|workand what does dmesg say about that?11:20
aldanonhere's the directions i'm following http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-587921.html11:20
usr13He  is using instructions at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-587921.html11:20
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usr13aldanon: Yea, run depmod -a   (again)11:21
aldanonpermission denied11:21
usr13sudo depmod -a11:21
usr13make11:22
aldanonback to prompt, no errors11:22
usr13make install11:22
aldanonwarning "interlockedincrement" dedfined11:22
usr13run make again [first] 11:22
aldanonis the long and short of it11:22
aldanonerr *undefined11:23
usr13interlockedincrement" dedfined11:23
usr13?11:23
aldanonWARNING: "InterlockedIncrement" [/home/stragee/temp/XFiDrv_Linux_US-1.04/src/plugins/cthwiut/cthwiut.ko]  undefined!11:23
aldanontons of those messages referring to different plugins11:23
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jtmoneyhow do i enable compiz in kubuntu gutsy?11:24
aldanonany thoughts Eq|work?11:25
stdinjtmoney: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion just ignore the repositories part11:26
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aldanonusr13?11:27
xstWhere do I enable desktop effects in gutsy?11:27
aldanoni guess this is starting to look like a no-win  eh?11:27
stdinxst: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion just ignore the repositories part11:27
Vhatawhen I run update-manager -d to upgrade to gutsy, it creates /etc/apt/sources.list.d/prerequists-sources.list which has "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main/debian-installer" hardcoded in it (I'm not even in the USA), and this repository gives me MD5Sum mismatch errors which means I can't upgrade to gutsy - anybody got any ideas?11:27
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aldanonany compiling wizards here? ;)11:28
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jtmoneyokay, i see that the package compiz isn't even installed... isn't there some way to just check a box and have it installed/enabled?11:28
xstI thought compiz was part of gutsy. Isn't it that?11:28
xstPart of the standard installation, I mean11:29
jtmoneyyeah, exactly11:29
jtmoneywell, i just installed beta from scratch and it wasn't included11:29
jtmoneythen again, i had to enable fglrx after the install11:29
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aldanonusr13: i think i found something ;)11:31
Eq|workaldanon : is it just warnings, or are there errors?11:31
Eq|workwarnings you can ignore.11:31
Eq|work(usually)11:32
aldanoneqlwork would you mind checking this page for me?11:32
aldanonit might be my answer but i dont understand it11:32
Eq|workcan probably try11:32
aldanonhalfway down the page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=345321011:33
aldanonwaldorsockbat talked about ctsound-script and ript out the offending piece of code11:33
aldanoni'm getting the same error as him11:33
Eq|workaldanon : just to confirm, when trying to load the module you get 'Unknown kernel version. Exit...' ?11:35
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aldanonerr actually no11:35
aldanonif you scroll up 1 post, you'll see the error i'm getting11:36
aldanonFATAL: Error inserting ctalsa (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctalsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)11:36
Eq|workthat's after doing make install, yeah?11:36
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aldanoncorrect11:37
Eq|workwhat are you running to get that to happen?11:37
aldanon?11:37
Eq|workis that happening as part of make install?11:38
Eq|workor through something else?11:38
aldanonright, after i type make install, it get a long list of messages ending with that one11:38
Eq|workok11:38
Eq|worksudo depmod -a; sudo modprobe ctalsa11:38
aldanonFATAL: Error inserting ctalsa (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctalsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)11:39
Eq|workdmesg | tail11:39
jmg what does dmesg say?11:39
aldanoni suppose i shouldnt paste all of that heh11:40
Eq|workpastebin11:40
Eq|workbut even then, no11:40
jmgjust the relevant part11:40
aldanonnot sure how to pastebin11:40
aldanonsorry ;/11:40
jmgpastebin.org11:40
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jmg!pastebin > aldanon11:40
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aldanonhttp://www.pastebin.org/398811:41
Eq|workis that all there is about the ctalsa stuff?11:42
jmglooks like you are building against the wrong kernel source or something11:42
aldanonthat's the result of dmesg | tail11:42
Eq|workaldanon : can you do dmesg normally, and check that?11:42
aldanoni'm running 7.1011:42
Eq|workhowever it does look like it's down to a single unknown symbol..11:43
aldanonjust type dmesg?11:43
jmgcrimsun: what do you make of http://www.pastebin.org/398811:43
Eq|workaldanon : yeah11:43
Eq|workthen check the end of it11:44
Eq|workfor ctalsa stuff..11:44
Eq|workI think the problem is that the Ubuntu v7.10 kernel is compiled to use SLUB and not SLAB because malloc_sizes is not included in SLUB but in SLAB.11:45
aldanonhttp://www.pastebin.org/398911:45
Eq|workfrom a quick google11:45
Eq|workhttp://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4289942.html?sid=90ecb60103d3e535d1ee6eb709a58aed#428994211:45
Eq|workfile a bug against the kernel11:46
aldanonslab and slub? heh11:46
Eq|workyeah, doesn't mean a huge amount to me either11:47
Eq|workand i've been compiling kernels for 7 years..11:47
aldanoni download the 2.6.22.9 vanilla kernel and used my configuration except that i changed slub to slab, works fine now hah11:47
aldanonnow if only i knew a slub from a slab i'd be just dandy =D hehe11:48
Eq|worklike i said - file a bug against the kernel11:48
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aldanonwindows has the viruses and spyware, while ubuntu simply doesnt work11:48
aldanonpick your poison lmao11:49
aldanonaww well thanks much to everyone that attempted to help, usr13, eqlwork etc you guys rock11:49
aldanontc all11:49
Eq|workaldanon : you can't say ubuntu doesn't work11:50
Eq|workit's not ubuntus fault that creative write shite drivers11:50
aldanonsounds like a kernel issue11:51
aldanonwho knows, it is a beta driver11:51
Eq|worknot really11:51
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Eq|workit's creatives fault for writing shit drivers and not releasing the specs11:51
Eq|worka kernel change will resolve it11:52
Eq|workif you can hang around for a while i can probably help you with that11:52
Eq|workneed to spend some time working first though :P11:52
aldanonthat's cool, you have an IM?11:52
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aldanoni've gotta hit the sack, but it'd be cool to try tomorrow11:53
wabiDhow old is the vmware player from synaptic11:53
aldanoni don't mean to flame, technically the build of OS i'm on is in beta too11:54
aldanonwelp just leave a message on www.techreflection.com11:56
aldanonit's my site, appreciate the help11:56
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StarcraftmazterHow do I disable compiz in 7.10 (latest)? The desktop effects aren't there anymore12:19
Starcraftmazterthat is, the desktop effects enable/disable dialogue12:20
jsomerssystem - preferences - appearance12:21
jsomersit's all combined into one dialog these days12:21
nanonymeheh @ topic12:21
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Starcraftmazterahhh :D12:22
nanonymemaybe i should do a dist-upgrade too, haven't done it for half a week12:22
Starcraftmazterdoesnt update manager do it automatically since 6.1012:22
Starcraftmazterhmmm nevermind at my comment :D12:22
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wabiDdoes anyone have vista booting off a real partition with vmware12:23
nanonymeStarcraftmazter, i don't use update manager :)12:23
Starcraftmazterreally?12:23
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bazhanggreetings12:24
Starcraftmazterhi12:24
nanonymeStarcraftmazter, no, i just use aptitude12:24
StarcraftmazterI see12:24
nanonymehaven't seen any reason to use anything else12:24
bazhangkubuntu is really solid.12:24
Starcraftmazteryep, so is a brick wall :D12:25
gunnyanyone experience much longer delay (30 secs+) now after Gutsy login to having a ready desktop compared to feisty?12:25
bazhangStarcraftmazter: haha12:25
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Starcraftmaztergunny, I've been having all sorts of desktop bugs in Gutsy12:26
bazhanggunny: boot time is really fast for me--around 10-15 seconds.12:26
Starcraftmazteratm workspaces just don't friggin want to function properly :D12:26
gunnybazhang: hmmm just after login though it takes heaps longer in gutsy12:26
bazhanggunny: really?12:26
bazhanggunny: I had tons more trouble with Feisty.12:27
gunnybazhang: yep and it real quick in fesity so something's competing somewhere i've turned off (removed) tracker as well12:27
gunnyare you guys running full compiz as well12:27
bazhangyep.12:28
Starcraftmazteryer12:28
bazhanggunny: but javascript is disabled--wordpress doesn't like it.12:28
StarcraftmazterI thought it was causing problems, but apparently not >_>12:28
gunnyeverything's behaving really well except for speed of first time login12:28
bazhangvery brick wall like here.12:28
Starcraftmazter:D12:28
gunnyand alsa micro[hone woes with ICH6 ALC880 which worked in fesity12:29
gunnys/fesity/feisty12:29
Starcraftmazterfeisty:D12:29
bazhanggunny: very first time log in was slow, but since then it has been phenomenal, both start up and shutdown--shutdown or reboot is around 5 seconds12:29
gunnywow12:29
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gunnymind you i'm also running oracle, mysql etc but was before as well12:30
bazhanggunny: well that might explain it.12:30
gunnyits not boot up, its after login thats the prob12:30
bazhangeverytime?12:30
gunnyonly really first time but if i log out in and its faster but not the same as before12:31
gunnyas in the same as in feisty12:31
bazhangok12:32
Starcraftmaztercheck your startup in sessions>?12:32
gunnythat and the microphone issues are the only things annoying me..everything else is great (running oracle, eclipse, mythtv all good)12:33
bazhangwow you got mythtv going, how long did that take?12:33
gunnyit was working in feisty as well not too long few hours of tinkering !12:33
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bazhangjust a few hours? front and back end? wow.12:34
gunnyyep and two remotes (feisty and mac os x) !12:34
bazhangunreal12:34
Starcraftmazteranyone have any bugs relating to switching workspaces?12:35
gunnyi'm really impressed by it also got austrlian program grabbers working as well12:35
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bazhangStarcraftmazter: do you mean viewport switcher?12:35
bazhangshift-super-tab?12:35
Starcraftmazterno12:35
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: i do12:35
Starcraftmazterthis is outside of compiz12:36
bazhanggunny: avermedia card?12:36
Starcraftmazterlemsx1, what do you experience?12:36
bazhangStarcraftmazter: oh, sorry.12:36
Starcraftmazterthats ok:D12:36
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: well, only when running compiz12:36
Starcraftmaztercompiz workspace switching is also buggy I found12:36
gunnyyep this is all on a clevo D900 with a M102 (i think) avermedia card12:36
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: right now i turned off compiz because of problems when switching users12:36
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: but i assume that this is a known issue12:37
Starcraftmazterdo you still have problems with workspaces?12:37
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: i only have 2 workspaces now (whatever default) and clicking on the applet to switch just works... what should i be seeing?12:37
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: ctrl+alt+left|right also works12:38
Starcraftmazterhmmm12:38
Starcraftmazterin 7.10 where do you chose number of workspaces12:38
Starcraftmazterassuming compiz is off12:38
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lemsx1Starcraftmazter: i think there is no GUI to allow you to change that...12:39
Starcraftmazter:O12:40
Starcraftmazterthats strange12:40
Starcraftmazterin previous versions it was in properties of workspaces12:40
Starcraftmazterspaces12:40
Starcraftmazterwhatever12:40
Starcraftmazter:D12:40
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: yep. and that created a ton of problems with consistency12:40
Starcraftmazterwhere is the setting12:40
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: especially with compiz/beryl etc12:40
compwiz18I have a usb bluetooth dongle that works perfectly on my x86 gutsy laptop, but not on a different x64 laptop.  The message is Couldn't display "obex://[00:1c:12:a9:0d:72] ". Check if the service is available.  Any suggestions?12:41
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Starcraftmaztermmm12:41
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Starcraftmaztercompwiz18 check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup12:42
compwiz18Starcraftmazter, I looked at that, it didn't help.  But I have a bluetooth update, hang on12:42
compwiz18I set up both of the computers the same, but it only likes my x32 one12:43
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rothchildhey compwiz18 still no joy with bluetooth12:43
compwiz18me neither12:43
compwiz18just got a bluetooth update12:43
compwiz18but it looks like it didn't help12:44
wabiDgrr vmware is still being dumb12:44
rothchild:-(12:44
compwiz18gonna reboot12:44
compwiz18brb12:44
Eq|workcompwiz18 : before you do12:44
Eq|workor not12:44
lemsx1wabiD: whatchamean? i'm using vmware on Gutsy12:44
wabiDim trying to boot a physical partition12:44
lemsx1wabiD: ah, good luck with that ;-)12:45
wabiDbut it says i have insufficient bhah12:45
lemsx1wabiD: vmware 6?12:45
wabiDyea12:45
lemsx1wabiD: are you a member of "disk" group?12:45
wabiDadduser wabid disk?12:45
lemsx1wabiD: or whatever group owns the /dev/* device?12:45
lemsx1wabiD: yep. and logout/login12:45
Starcraftmazterwow, GL desktop just made my workspaces work, what seems to be flawlessly12:45
wabiDk brb12:45
Starcraftmazteris gl desktop related to compiz?12:46
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: good to know. but now you lost user switching ability ;-)12:46
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Starcraftmazterlol I dont use multiple users :D12:46
wabiDnow it says the partition table is invalid12:47
Starcraftmazterwith my previous question though, is GL desktop related to compiz?12:47
lemsx1Starcraftmazter: share with the world! open SSH with root account enabled and no password. that allows those without fast machines to run code on your PC!12:47
lemsx1wabiD: that's an improvement uh?12:47
Starcraftmazter:O12:47
wabiDi can dual boot just fine12:47
lemsx1wabiD: you will need to reformat that with vmware i guess... or at least use something that fixes the partition table like cfdisk12:48
lemsx1wabiD: yeah, but that's not the same my friend12:48
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compwiz18huh12:48
compwiz18no joy with that update12:48
lemsx1wabiD: when you "dual boot" your system knows about your partitions because it sees the whole disk12:49
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wabiDsoo how can i use cfdisk12:49
lemsx1wabiD: when you tell vmware to use a disk as a drive (a partition!?) how can it know that?12:49
wabiDim telling it to use /dev/sda112:49
lemsx1wabiD: well, you have to sacrifice something12:49
wabiDi typed in cfdisk /dev/sda1 and it said fatal error12:50
lemsx1wabiD: is up to you what you do. but you will either need to mess up your dual boot, or tell vmware to use an image instead of a physical disk/partition12:50
wabiDhow will it mess up dual boot12:51
lemsx1wabiD: where are you typing that? in your real OS?12:51
wabiDi think i could sacrifice it as long as it is reversable12:51
wabiDyea12:51
lemsx1wabiD: you can't do that12:51
wabiDi only have a primary os12:51
wabiDi cant even make the vmware file12:51
lemsx1wabiD: you need to assign /dev/sda1 as a "disk" in vmware. and then use a CD image or something to boot inside vmware. and partition your "disk"12:52
wabiDpartition ends after end-of-disk, that doesnt sound good12:52
wabiDwould that erase my current vista partition12:52
wabiDor is this a fake partition12:52
lemsx1wabiD: uh?12:52
lemsx1wabiD: where is vista? /dev/sda1 as well?12:53
wabiDthats what vista is /dev/sda112:53
wabiDi shrunk it and installed ubuntu reciently12:53
lemsx1wabiD: jeje!. you're a funny dude12:53
lemsx1wabiD: what are you trying to do now? boot into ubuntu and use vmware to open your vista from your physical drive?12:53
wabiDyoure laughing at me in other languages :)12:53
lemsx1wabiD: that won't work12:53
wabiDwhy not12:53
lemsx1wabiD: well, good luck12:54
lemsx1wabiD: but that won't work12:54
wabiDit says its an option on line12:54
lemsx1wabiD: yeah, you can install Vista like that12:54
lemsx1wabiD: but you won't be able to make vista work inside vmware. the "hardware" is not the same12:54
wabiDyea itll ask me to reactivate12:54
wabiDill just remove activation later12:55
lemsx1wabiD: vmware emulates a FULL system. it's not a "hypervisor" or something that uses paravirtualization12:55
lemsx1wabiD: let me know if you get it to work12:55
wabiDshouldnt it at least attempt to boot vista though12:55
wabiDand then realize its the wrong hardware and crap out12:55
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wabiDwait i think i got it12:56
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lemsx1wabiD: no, that's the problem. vmware will attempt to read the "disk" partition and map it to the BIOS12:56
wabiDyea now i get an error that the partition table on the disk has changed since the disk was created12:58
compwiz18does anyone know how to "pair" a bluetooth device with the computer?12:58
wabiDis there any way i can tell vmware to boot to a folder that is mounted by ubuntu12:58
wabiDinstead of a file12:58
wabiDlike /media/naxos or something12:58
lemsx1compwiz18: put them in discover mode and pair them? which is pairing which ?12:59
compwiz18how do I tell Ubuntu to pair with the cell phone?12:59
lemsx1wabiD: not that i know of. why would that work? think of vmware as a "machine"12:59
lemsx1wabiD: you might want to try PXE or something like that to boot to a remote system...01:00
lemsx1wabiD: i'm not sure if you can do that with windows though...01:00
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wabiDi got vista to boot01:01
wabiDi actually managed to get grub to boot01:01
lemsx1wabiD: but, in my case, i think it's easier to simply backup your data from your vista partition. remove the partition and set that as a regular ext3 or so partition. use vmware from linux and install vista in an image file that will take all the space from /dev/sda1 (ext3). then restore your files. and you are done01:01
wabiDvista craps out at crcdsk01:01
wabiDnot unexpected though01:01
Eq|workcompwiz18 : is the driver in the restricted modules by any chance?01:02
wabiDwhat is release mouse in vmware01:03
mon^rchctrl+alt01:03
compwiz18Eq|work, I don't think so.  I plugged the USB dongle in, it recognized it, and it can see my phone, but when I press Connect, it communicates with my phone for half a second and then disconnects01:03
Eq|workthis on the 64bit machine?01:03
compwiz18Eq|work, yeah.  On 32bit it works perfectly01:03
wabiDwell i got vmware to boot to grub, and memtest86+ boots just fine01:03
Eq|workhm01:03
wabiDi wonder if i can get rid of checkdisk and get vista to boot01:04
Eq|workinteresting.01:04
Eq|workchecked to see if there are any relevant bugreports?01:04
wabiDlemsx1, from how it looks right now, this is still a plausible solution01:04
wabiDwhen i ran vista in safemode it loaded all the files until checkdisk and then bluescreened01:05
wabiDnow its attempting to boot gutsy from gutsy01:06
wabiDthis could cause some damage01:06
Eq|workjust a bit, yeah01:06
wabiDits going super slow01:06
Eq|workfista'll probably have the same issues as xp01:07
wabiDim suprised how well compiz plays with vmware01:07
Eq|workdiffering ide controllers == fark off.01:07
lemsx1wabiD: you can take a Linux disk from a system and put it in another system and Linux will work01:07
lemsx1wabiD: you cannot do that with windows01:08
wabiDyea but im IN gutsy right now01:08
wabiDand im trying to boot the same partition within vmware01:08
lemsx1wabiD: that doesn't surprise me01:08
wabiDand its working01:08
lemsx1wabiD: if you get vista to work, that will surprise me. keep trying01:08
wabiDim gonna rename crcdsk and see what happens01:09
lemsx1wabiD: jeje!01:09
Eq|workprobably won't boot at all01:09
wabiDeh01:09
Eq|workhe missed the h :P01:09
wabiDno thats spanish01:09
wabiDwhats weird is that i told it NEVER to run crcdisk from the registry01:09
lemsx1wabiD: see. Linux is an advanced operating system. vista is ... old technology :-P01:09
wabiDyea but i cant watch videos on abc.com with linux01:09
wabiDor my xbox :/01:10
wabiDid argue linux is older :)01:10
lemsx1wabiD: there is always a way to watch videos01:10
Eq|workwabiD : you can actually..01:10
lemsx1wabiD: you mean because of DRM?01:10
wabiDkinda01:10
lemsx1wabiD: or because of missing stuff?01:10
wabiDyou need to install their firefox plugin01:10
wabiDi changed my useragent01:11
wabiDand the .xpi still fails to install01:11
lemsx1wabiD: of course it fails01:11
wabiDmeh its using flash to play the videos im pretty sure01:11
wabiDi could try downloading the .xpi and editing it01:11
wabiDbut i figured i could try to get vista to boot01:11
lemsx1wabiD: that's like running setup.exe from the Office CD and expecting it to work (assuming that you don't have wine installed)01:11
wabiDwhy .xpi should be universal for firefos01:12
lemsx1wabiD: .xpi might be. but whatever stuff it depends on are probably meant for windows only (activex and whatever)01:12
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lemsx1wabiD: in any case, what's on abc.com that's not in some other site? and why can't you just install vmware and use it the "right" way01:13
wabiDthe activex controller is ie only01:13
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wabiDcuz it works on a mac01:13
wabiDcuz i still want to be able to dual boot01:13
lemsx1wabiD: sure. leave /dev/sda1 as vista. and use vmware inside linux o create another installation of vista01:13
peter77I've changed the background solid colour to blue and the log in colour to blue.01:13
lemsx1wabiD: storage is cheap!01:13
wabiDyea and im full01:14
lemsx1wabiD: wait until Best Buy opens and buy a new drive01:14
wabiDi have 2 120 gigs full, my xbox has 920 gigs full, and vista is 80 gigs full01:14
peter77But right about where the splash screen use to appear the background changes back to that awful beige01:14
peter77how do I change that background colour to blue as well please?01:14
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tapashi01:14
wabiDdoes search work on ntfs partitions01:16
timstokmancould someone help me connect to my university network? i have a working network card .g which can connect to wpa2 personal networks, but my university has a wpa enterprise with ttls pap to which i cant connect01:16
tapasit seems the libasound2 shipped with gutsy is broken..01:17
timstokmancould anyone here help me with that?01:17
tapaswhen i compile the jack pcm plugin from the original alsa-plugins source against it, it won't work..01:17
lemsx1timstokman: ouch... i've never done that one...01:17
peter77I think this is an xbox room01:17
tapas[not only does ubuntu not ship this plugin, now it's also impossible to use it when built from sources] 01:17
tapasaplay: set_params:900: Sample format non available01:18
lemsx1tapas: but gutsy is not out yet ;-)01:18
peter77sorry for straying off topic, I'll stick to xbox questions!01:18
tapasthis used to work great on feisty :)01:18
tapasso i wonder: whatcan i do about it01:18
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timstokmani hate to use vista for an internet connection here :(01:18
tapaslemsx1: yeah, that's why i would eb glad if this were fixed before release01:18
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lemsx1timstokman: google no good?01:18
timstokmannope01:18
timstokmanmain problem is wpa_supplicant.conf01:18
lemsx1tapas: did you check launchpad's bugs?01:19
peter77tim have you tried to talk to your universities sys admins?01:19
timstokmanwhich isnt there01:19
lemsx1tapas: file one quickly ;-)01:19
timstokmanpeter77: they dont support linux01:19
tapaslemsx1: sure will do. i supposed i asked if maybe here someone knew a solutoion already01:19
peter77is that what they said?01:19
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timstokmanyes, thats their official policy01:19
peter77so what do they support?01:19
timstokmanvista, xp, mac01:20
peter77that's bullshit, my uni supports linux01:20
peter77is it because the admins don't know how to use linux?01:20
timstokmanit isnt something i can change01:20
peter77it is01:20
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Starcraftmazterwell I must sat, the workplaces are as inconsistant as quantum mechanics01:21
Starcraftmaztersay*01:21
tapasin the bug report thingy, where can i specify that this is wrt gutsy?01:21
peter77complain to hell and help them recognise people use linux01:21
timstokmanill try that, but first i want to get on the network :)01:22
timstokmani have vista on my laptop but i hate it01:22
Starcraftmazterdoes anyone have problems with switching to first workspace from any other, taking about 10 seconds01:22
peter77yeah, I got one with XP on01:22
peter77did you say they use wpa enterpirse?01:23
timstokmanyes01:23
timstokmanwith ttls01:23
GNinemy puter's xserver works with NV stated in the xorg.conf .  does compiz require the entry NVidia?01:23
peter77have you been through the network configuration and tried setting it up to WPA Enterpirse>01:23
peter77?01:23
timstokmanfirst i got a popup prompt where wpa enterprise was an option01:24
timstokmanbut after trying that several times i couldnt log in with that01:24
timstokmantryed several options, but couldnt get in01:24
peter77did you try to get it working on feisty with no luck?01:24
timstokmannew laptop, so i installed gutsy from start01:25
peter77ahh I see01:25
timstokmanwifi driver seems to work fine otherwise01:25
tapasthere once was a tool called chkinstall or soemthing.. does this still exist in ubuntu?01:25
timstokmani can get on my home network01:25
timstokmanwhich has wpa 2 personal .g01:26
peter77I wouldn't recommend going to beta streight away as you won't know if anything has been broken since the previous stable release01:26
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GNinethe beta works fine01:26
timstokmannew hardware01:26
timstokmani figured the newest kernel had a better change01:27
peter77yes but Linux distros have a habbit of behaving better with different comps than others01:27
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fracodoes anyone else have compiz popping full-screen games out to windowed mode?01:27
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lemsx1fraco: yep01:28
Starcraftmazterwhat kind of games01:28
GNinei just got it today. no issues.. except that i had to reconfigure my xserver . but that was easy.   the only problem is that i cant get compiz to work.  but so it happend on feisty as well01:28
peter77tim does your uni have a specialist computing school?01:28
lemsx1fraco: like frozen-bubble right?01:28
fracowell, I have it with urbanterror01:28
wabiDjust for the record, booting ubuntu from within itself is a bad idea01:28
Starcraftmazter[21:28:37]  <wabiD> just for the record, booting ubuntu from within itself is a bad idea01:28
StarcraftmazterLOL01:28
fracoits playing fullscreen and then after 10 minutes pops out of full screen.01:28
lemsx1wabiD: jeje!. of course01:28
fracoalt-enter or alt-tab or no keys/mouse seem to respond any more01:29
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fracohave to restart X01:29
lemsx1wabiD: data corruption is imminent ;-)01:29
wabiDthe hard drive went nuts and wouldnt boot01:29
wabiDyea i recovered it all already01:29
mon^rchfraco: turn off your screensaver while playing games01:29
mon^rch;)01:29
fracoi turn off compiz01:29
lemsx1wabiD: the good thing about using an advanced os... :-P01:29
fracoit helps too01:29
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wabiDeh a journaling file system you mean01:30
wabiDntfs would have been fixable too01:30
lemsx1mon^rch: ah... good to know01:30
GNineis there any other way to call compiz other than terminal?01:30
timstokmanpeter77: yeah, my faculty01:30
wabiDgksu compiz ?01:30
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rockyanyone know if gutsy is planning to include any integration between Tracker and Tomboy ? seems like a bit of step backwards (functionality-wise) to use Tracker instead of Beagle01:30
fracoGNine: in gutsy there is System->Preferences ->Appearance->Effects01:30
fracoenables compiz01:30
peter77ahh and they said they don't support linux, I see hmm01:30
timstokmanpeter77: we even run solaris here as desktop :p01:31
lemsx1GNine: ALT+F2 compiz is another ;-)01:31
GNinei assume you mean gutsy on gnome , fraco01:31
fracoyes01:31
peter77yeah we do at the uni I'm at as well01:31
timstokmanand debian01:31
fracobut i tried kde and it had something similar01:31
GNinei got Xubuntu01:31
wabiDi thought beagle development slowed down01:31
fracodang01:31
fraco:-D01:31
wabiDyea after using xfce and gnome for a while, ill never go back to kde01:32
GNinei got the Advanced Desktop Effects Settings.. but i dont see an option to activate compiz in there01:32
wabiDthats not to enable it01:32
fracono its not in there no01:33
fracoits in appearance01:33
fracobut i suppose thats a gnome thing01:33
wabiDhes using xfce, not gnome01:33
wabiDyea its not in the gui afaik01:33
GNineyah..01:33
wabiDyoure going to have to tell it to run on boot somehow01:33
mon^rchor alt+f2 and compiz -replace01:33
mon^rch--replace01:34
wabiDim guessing he wants it every time he boots though01:34
GNineyup, mon^rch , i run that one from terminal..01:34
tapaswabiD: xfce leaks massive amounts of memory on my box01:34
GNinebut alt-f2 would run it .. in user?01:34
wabiDif you do it from alt f2 you wont have a rogue terminal open01:34
mon^rchsould01:34
tapaswabiD: leave it running for a day and your OOM killer will do nasty things ;)01:34
wabiDdo gksu compiz --replace then01:34
GNinei c01:34
wabiDor is that a gnome thinger too01:35
GNinebut i still have a xgl error..   :(01:35
GNineafter running the command01:35
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compwiz18Eq|work, I looked for relevant bug reports but none that I can find match my bluetooth issue01:38
GNinetells me the xgl is not found.  and something about not having a whitelist ..01:38
peter77how do I change the colour of the background where the gnome splash screen use to appear?01:38
GNinelast time i ran it . it crashed my system after 2 minutes01:39
GNinehad to fix xorg with that too..   :-/01:39
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gomoran2Hello, I have a kubuntu, gutsy, xrandr, i810 rotation-problem.01:45
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_dan_hello, since gutsy upgrade i got 2 times "Desktop" entry in my places menu, how can i get rid of one of those?01:46
gomoran2rotation works halfway, the display is rotated but keeps size, so I get the left 768x768 of my screen on the top.01:46
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compwiz18Can someone walk me through establishing a bluetooth connection via the command line?01:53
lemsx1wabiD: are you running compiz as root? why would you say: gksu compiz --replace ?01:54
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tapasi guess i found the bug in the libasound2 package.. this is a regression.. there needs to be one != made = in configure.in..02:01
tapasis there a quick howto on how to replace a package with the corresponding source package where i could fix the bug?02:02
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kyjahello, I have an interesting problem. I just moved gutsy off from a 22 GB partition onto a 92.14 GB partition. gparted now reports it is 44.01 GB system with 48.13 GB free. properties on the drive stated its 23.2 GB os with only 45.3 GB free total capacity 68.5 GB so question is where is 23.64 GB of free space. I could not have lost that much due to clusters could I?02:04
tapasi guess installing to /usr/local/ might help [and tweaking LD_LIBRARY_PATH] 02:04
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tapasdebian has a fixed libasound2 package.. noted in the bugreport02:15
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GNine44.01 + 48.13 = 92.14  &  23.64 + 68.5 = 92.14    coincidence?02:33
Starcraftmazterwhats that?02:33
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GNineStarcraftmazter, read kyja , above02:34
lemsx1kyja: did you use dd to copy from one partition to another?02:37
kyjaI used gparted actualy02:37
lemsx1kyja: perhaps gparted uses some form of dd to do that...02:38
kyjayeah it might have.02:38
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kyjait inflated twice in size. but the partition it lives on went from 22 GB to 92 GB so. I can see cluster differences might be an issue. perhaps I am paranoid.02:40
lemsx1kyja: i'm guessing that the partition wasn't calculated correctly in your partition map. but, if you are just moving from the same drive, then, that probably doesn't make sense...02:40
GNinei dont think your missing anything. you're just miscalculating gigs02:40
kyjayeah same drive.02:40
GNinehuman error02:40
lemsx1that could be true. what GNine says02:40
lemsx1TPIBKAC ?02:41
kyjaI moved from sda3 to sda1 then formated sda1 and joined it.02:41
kyjayeah perhaps.02:41
lemsx1kyja: fancy.... did you move what was in sda3 back to the first cylinder of what's now /dev/sda1?02:42
lemsx1kyja: i dunno how that works actually... i'm just trying to be helpful by throwing ideas to the air02:42
lemsx1jeje!02:42
lemsx1kyja: i know that you can join later partitions to previous ones, but not the way you did it02:42
kyjaerrr but the propertied info believes its only a 68 gig drive. gparted says I have 92. it is 100 gb02:42
lemsx1kyja: that's after hard booting the system? perhaps is your BIOS playing tricks on you?02:43
GNineare you counting your swap partition02:43
kyjalemsx1, yes I copied sda3 to sda1 then deleted sda3 and joined them for one partition02:43
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kyjait refuesed to join them in reverse.. could not put sda1 into sda3 so I had to swap places.02:44
kyjaotherwise I would have just joind them without copy. but it refused.02:45
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kyjahehe well, idk.02:45
kyjahow can I invoke fschk on next restart?02:47
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DoYouKnowit's in fstab02:47
DoYouKnowI think02:47
kyjak02:47
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mitchells00hi...02:49
DoYouKnowhi mitchells0002:49
bazhanghi all02:50
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mitchells00i know the topic says *don't* run gusty if i'm not familliar with bugfixing, dpkg & dependencies etc.. but my ISP's mirror didn't mention anywhere it's in beta.. so now i'm stuck with it...02:51
GNinedont do anything crazy.  you'll be fine for most computing needs02:51
mitchells00i'm not completely clueless.. i can get around (somewhat) in terminal and i can follow instructions...02:52
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mitchells00BUt i've run into a brick wall02:52
mitchells00i looked on forums and googled it02:52
bazhangmitchells00: I feel like it's more stable than feisty; faster and more features, the list goes on..02:52
mitchells00but i can't seem to detect my mobo's onboard lan...02:52
bazhangare you on it now?02:53
mitchells00bazhang i've already installed it (with alot of work)02:53
mitchells00i'm sitting next to it02:53
mitchells00but not using it atm02:54
bazhangmitchells00: what was so tough?02:54
mitchells002 things02:54
bazhangmmm-hmm02:54
mitchells00i can't get ANYTHING to detect my lan...02:54
mitchells00and i can't live with the vesa video drivers anymore...02:55
GNinesorry to hear that.. never had a single problem ever connecting to the internet02:55
Picimitchells00: Does it show up in lspci?02:55
mitchells00yeah... as unknown device02:55
bazhangmitchells00: what video card?02:55
GNinespecially coming from onboard lan02:55
mitchells00Nvidia 8800 GT02:55
mitchells00256 onboard and 256 hyper memory or w/e it is :P02:56
mitchells00i've never had a problem with it either..02:56
mitchells00same lan port, and older (like years ago old) distro of ubuntu ran fine02:56
DoYouKnowmitchells00, hmmm... have you tried searching google for help on setting it up?02:57
mitchells00as did slackware and slax, mandrake, etc02:57
mitchells00i have and i found nothing..02:57
DoYouKnowlately I have been using google a lot for finding linux information02:57
DoYouKnowand it seems to help02:57
DoYouKnowmitchells00, this is just a guess, but maybe you have some kind of IRQ problem02:58
DoYouKnowlook into that02:58
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kyjaget this !!. I go to back up my Video directory that properties reports is 3.9 Gb. dragging the folder to k3b it said it was 7.8 GB or something like that. I drag each file into k3b instead and its the right size. I checked for invisibles in folder there are none.02:58
DoYouKnowmaybe one device is being detected and its blocking another device02:58
GNineor your lan needs a driver update.. but then again you just upgrade.  obscure02:59
kyjaI have a feeling it is picking up the old file structure that was not zeroed on format.02:59
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mitchells00why did i have to give away my spare lan card :/03:00
DoYouKnowmitchells00, some network cards used to have IRQ configuration as a seperate downloadable utility03:01
DoYouKnownot sure if they're still doing that03:01
DoYouKnowlook into that too03:01
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Starcraftmazterdamnit whats the hotkey for negative in compiz03:01
DoYouKnowI am thinking of old 3coms03:01
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mitchells002nd problem... the video... i had that error when X tryed to start where it says that no screen is found... so i went into /ext/X11/xorg.conf and changed Driver "nv" to "vesa"03:02
mitchells00and now the performance of anything visual is... shocking03:03
mitchells00windows cut up when i drag them03:03
mitchells00and causes huge lag..03:03
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mooperHi, Im having problems with usb sticks and cd's03:04
[Wiebel] don't use them then :)03:04
mooperThey are taking ages or just not automounting :(03:04
DoYouKnowmitchells00, why are you using visa?03:04
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mooperhur hur03:04
DoYouKnowvesa03:04
DoYouKnowmitchells00, try the standard vga driver03:04
mitchells00i did03:04
mitchells00wait03:04
mitchells00what is it..?03:04
mitchells00i just read on a forum that vesa solved that problem..03:05
DoYouKnowtry vga03:05
mitchells00hmm.. i'll try it..03:05
kyjaahhh to do a fschk then >sudo shutdown -rF now03:05
GNinesounds like your whole system is nothing short of .. b0rked.  mitchells00 ..03:05
mitchells00well it works fine with every other OS i've thrown at it..03:06
mitchells00including *shudders* vista03:06
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GNinethe only "issue" i have is compiz.. which is not really an issue.  more like a hobby i need to work on03:07
bazhangStarcraftmazter: super +N for window, super +M for whole desktop03:08
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DoYouKnowyeah, I am using 7.04 feisty and notice the fglrx + Xgl + compiz-fusion + extra plugins + unsupported plugins is sort of slow with the defaults03:09
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DoYouKnowXgl not supporting direct rendering is my prime culprit03:10
mooperCan anyone give me any ideas why my usb stick isnt automounting?03:10
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mitchells00because it doesen't like you...?03:11
mitchells00iuno03:11
GNinezing!  that my problem right there , DoYouKnow03:11
Filthpighey03:11
moopermitchells00, I was sleeping wit its mother03:11
mitchells00i've never had good luck with flash drives and linux03:11
mitchells00.... EVER03:11
mitchells00:/03:11
penguincentral_how do i install the apache web server03:11
GNineactually .. xgl is not registering .. i thought i had all the toys in line tho03:11
mooper:/ it works on my laptop but not on my bloody desktop03:12
mooperGAH03:12
FilthpigOver at the appearances section I can select various ways to use compiz fusion, but how can I edit stuff if I select custom? there is nothing to lead me to a customizing section there :/03:12
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kyjavista... isn't that a work they use for a piece of property that has better views so you can be more over taxed on something thats useless other than to look at?03:12
mitchells00this might seem like a stupid question.. but how do you close x?03:12
mitchells00:P03:12
mitchells00i'm in alt+ctrl+F1...03:13
minimecmitchells00: sudo killall gdm03:13
Filthpigclose to run with console only, or simply restart x?03:13
mitchells00console only..03:13
mitchells00i'm not THAT dumb..03:13
Filthpigsee minimac, then :)03:13
Filthpigminimec, sorry03:13
mitchells00hahaha :)03:14
penguincentral_how do i install the apache web server?03:14
mitchells00have you read the instructions?03:14
minimecpenguincentral_: sudo aptitude install apache203:14
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bazhangFilthpig: you have to download the compizconfig settings manager, then you can customize.03:15
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mitchells00erm.. i did sudo killall gdm03:15
mitchells00now nothing's working03:15
penguincentral_thanks minimec03:15
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mitchells00not even console..03:15
mitchells00i can type03:15
mitchells00and press enter03:15
mitchells00but nothing happens03:15
minimecmitchells00: now you can restart it with sudo gdm && exit03:15
bazhangmitchells00: is it a dual boot?03:15
mitchells00triboot actually :P03:15
bazhangvista xp and gutsy?03:16
Pensacolais it possible to change the default file manager from dolphin to konqueror in kubuntu gutsy?03:16
mitchells00yep :P03:16
mitchells00i have to have vista to learn it...03:16
mitchells00to fix people computers03:16
mitchells00when they (supidly) upgrade.....03:16
Filthpigbazhang: shouldn't that be included since the custom-option is there?03:16
bazhangFilthpig: is it already installed?03:17
Filthpigguess not03:17
bazhangthere you go.03:18
FilthpigI just wonder why they haven't included it03:19
Filthpigor made some option to download it03:19
bazhangFilthpig: probably because it's stable just as is--without it.03:19
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Filthpigi.e. clicking "custom" will notify you that the custimization tool is not present and do you want to download it03:20
mitchells00nope if i have driver "vga" i get "failed to start the X server bla bla bla Fatal server error: no screens found"03:21
bazhangFilthpig: you should choose to get it.03:21
mitchells00so vesa looks like my only option... unless nvidia released working GT drivers for linux...03:21
minimecmitchells00: what card do you have?03:22
mitchells00Nvidia 8500 GT03:22
penguincentral_nice03:22
mitchells00:P03:22
Filthpigbazhang: it's not even available from the repos o003:22
LjLPensacola: right click on any directory, select Open With, select Other, type 'konqueror', tick "Remember"03:22
Pensacolathx03:23
minimecmitchells00: don't they work with the nvidia-new driver?03:23
mitchells00i haven't tryed...03:23
mitchells00i didn't know :P03:23
bazhangFilthpig: sure it is; just hit update on Synaptic (Ubuntu, right?).03:23
GNinei got nvidia and i got nv set up at xorg.   i even updated to the restricted drivers with gutsy03:23
mitchells00i'll try them now.. (when x decides to crash :P)03:23
bazhangmitchells00: have you tried Envy?03:23
Filthpigubuntu, yeah03:24
GNine!envy03:24
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!03:24
GNinei havent used it.03:24
bazhangjust a suggestion...03:24
minimecmitchells00: If not, I agree with you that vesa is your only opinion. But I think the nvidia-new driver will do for you. Use the restricted driver.03:24
Filthpigif I search for compiz it only shows som "MacSlow's Cairo Clock"-stuff03:24
mitchells00O.O03:24
minimecmitchells00: optioin not opinion ;)03:24
bazhangFilthpig: get updates or fetch updates, then apply changes, then it should be there03:24
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mitchells00cd /ext/X11/ << no suck file or directory :D03:25
mitchells00*:O03:25
mitchells00whoops03:25
mitchells00ext - etc03:25
mitchells00xD03:25
penguincentral_minimec: i have installed apache2, now how do i set it up?03:25
GNineyou need to take a break03:25
Starcraftmazteranyone else having problems of windows not displaying when they should (ie being hidden) and being in unviewable parts of the screen, etc03:26
GNinewalk outside , greet your neighbors ..03:26
minimecpenguincentral_: Open a browser and type 127.0.0.1 or localhost in it. You should see the apache-default homepage of your server.03:26
mitchells00nvidia new module doesen't exist..03:26
penguincentral_ok03:26
Filthpigbazhang: there is no such button there03:27
minimecpenguincentral_: In fact. Your apache is installed and working!03:27
Filthpigonly search bar03:27
DoYouKnowmitchells00, I think he was saying you need to apt-get it03:27
GNinecheck synaptic for all your packages needs03:27
mitchells00..03:27
penguincentral_yeah, i know that03:27
FilthpigI guess it updates automatically03:27
mitchells00first i need to get my lan card working..03:27
penguincentral_but how do i manually configure it?03:27
mitchells00-_-;;;;;;;;03:27
bazhangFilthpig: you have synaptic, right?03:27
GNineits like the checkout at the airport03:27
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penguincentral_minimec: how do i manually configure it03:27
FilthpigI use the Add/Remove Applications-tool in Ubuntu03:28
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bazhangbest to use synaptic03:28
GNinesynaptic is more comprehensive03:28
bazhangFilthpig: have you used the terminal?03:28
Filthpigyeah, I find it through terminal03:28
Filthpighm03:28
penguincentral_minimec: when you click on the apache2 folder in web browser, it throws up a page saying: It works!03:29
bazhangFilthpig: it's actually quicker and easier...03:29
mitchells00ok since my video isn't THAT high priority.. it works... sort of... can we try for my lan card...?03:29
mitchells00i'll get the mobo box out03:29
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minimecpenguincentral_: I think the files are in /etc/apache. If you want to set your own homepage, put the folder in /var/www/ and set the index.html03:30
pvandewyngaerdetorcs is crashing here03:31
mitchells00ok i can't find it i'll look on the website.. and if anyone wants to help it's a Gigabyte 9653-SP03:31
pvandewyngaerdeSegmentationfault03:31
penguincentral_minimec: correction, /etc/apache203:31
minimecpenguincentral_: THX ;)03:31
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penguincentral_minimec: that's ok03:31
mitchells008965p-s303:31
penguincentral_:)03:31
mitchells00omg03:31
mitchells00965P-S303:31
mitchells00that's it!03:31
mitchells00i can't type -_-;;03:31
penguincentral_minimec: so the only stuff that an outside computer can access is the content in /var/www?03:32
minimecpenguincentral_: normally yes. It could even be, that access is limited to localhost in the default configuration. I am not sure of that anymore.03:33
mitchells00bingo03:34
mitchells00it's a Marvell 8056 Gigabit LAN Controller03:34
penguincentral_minimec: the idea was that i use apache, ssh to push files onto another server03:34
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mitchells00anyone know if ubuntu doesen't like? :P03:34
bazhangFilthpig: you all set?03:34
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Filthpigthere we go03:35
Filthpigyeah, thanks03:35
Filthpig(would really be easier if they only added a button;)03:35
bazhangFilthpig: in the future, you might want to try the terminal.03:35
penguincentral_minimec: if i type in my ip address on another computer, would i be able to access /var/www?03:35
Filthpigbazhang: no worries, I'm quite comfortable using the terminal03:35
Filthpigbeen using ubuntu for some time now, so it's not a problem03:36
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bazhangFilthpig: command is "sudo apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade; if you are searching, then it is sudo apt-cache search filename03:36
minimecpenguincentral_: Well if the other computer has a server running and you try to access it with http:// ... yes, but read only.03:36
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Filthpigbazhang: I knoow :)03:37
FilthpigI've been using ubuntu since hoary, I think03:37
Filthpigand several other debian based distros (and other)03:37
penguincentral_minimec: that's fine03:38
minimecpenguincentral_: You don't need apache to move some files around!03:38
Filthpigso I know about using apt, dpkg etc03:38
penguincentral_minimec: long story03:38
penguincentral_very long story03:38
penguincentral_very very long story03:38
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penguincentral_thanks minimec03:41
ajvHi all, has anyone had any luck getting the ati Radeon mobility x1600 working. I installed the proper driver but video playback and any 3d stuff is very slow. Any Ideas ?03:41
penguincentral_nope03:43
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minimecajv: There will be a new property driver from ATI in about two weeks. Your problem will be over then.03:46
mitchells00so does anyone know what i should do about my eth port?03:46
minimecajv: The new driver will support aiglx.03:46
pvandewyngaerdei cant play torcs, it crashes03:46
mitchells00it's a Marvell 8056 Gigabit LAN Controller just do you know.....03:46
mitchells00*so03:47
minimecmitchells00: so what about your network device?03:47
bazhangFilthpig: ok. cheers!03:47
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Filthpigcheers mate03:48
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mitchells00whoops :P03:48
mitchells00lspci returns: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown Device 4364 (rev 14)03:49
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mitchells00and lspci -n 04:00.0 0200: 11ab:4364 (rev 14)03:50
minimecmitchells00: what does iwconfig say?03:51
mitchells00doesen't show it03:51
mitchells00only wlan0 and wmaster003:51
mitchells00:/03:51
pixli have this annoying problem that dialogs pop up at the top left corner of the screen with titlebar inaccessable :S Im on xfce with compiz03:52
minimecmitchells00: So if there is a linux driver you will have to compile it manually, as it seems Ubuntu does not recognise it.03:52
mitchells00.......03:52
mitchells00and how would one do such a thing...? :P03:52
mitchells00if it was windows i can rip out and force in drivers... but linux is a little new to me hehe...03:53
minimecmitchells00: First try to find some information about a possible linux driver for your card. Then look in the Ubuntuforums... Maybe you find something.03:54
minimecmitchells00: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=54924403:55
kRushpixl, guess you can force them anywhere with place or window rules plugin03:55
mitchells00i'm seriously thinking that it might be a biiit easier if i just stick to ubuntu in VMware under XP........03:55
mitchells00i saw that link03:56
mitchells00i read it03:56
mitchells00didn't understand a thing :P03:56
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minimecmitchells00: Looks that there is a dirver for your card and that with a little tuning you can get it to work.03:59
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minimecmitchells00: try to do a sudo modprobe sky204:01
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minimecmitchells00: http://mwolf.net/archive/ubuntu-on-vaio/ <ctrl>f Unexpectedly, the biggest problem is the network card04:03
minimecmitchells00: The sky2 driver for you card is part of the ubuntu kernel. You just have to configure it right.04:04
TheInfinitymitchells00: you have a mac book pro?04:08
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ajvthanks minimec, will it sort beryl out ?04:15
minimec-afkajv: No beryl anymore. ;) Compiz-Fusion...04:16
penguincentral_minimec-afk: compiz fusion is good04:16
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ajvmy bad04:17
minimec-afkpenguincentral_: compiz-fusion works perfectly here too04:18
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penguincentral_minimec-afk: yeah. did you change your nick?04:19
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minimec-afkpenguincentral_: I was off the keyboard for a moment.04:20
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penguincentral_ok04:20
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peter77is there a fix or work around to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/14082104:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140821 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Can not change default GNOME splash background color" [Undecided,Confirmed] 04:22
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wfarrDoes anyone know of a way to pull Podcasts in the ITMS04:26
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MTecknologyI definitely learned a lesson about trusting vista to not destroy files04:38
BioPodso, just how stable is kubutnu beta really is?04:38
TheInfinityits beta.04:39
Jaymacit works, but expect things to break04:39
TheInfinitymost things work, some do not.04:39
MTecknologyI have firefox restored mostly - the only think i'm missing now is the passwords04:39
MTecknologyonly thing**04:39
BioPodanyone knows how it deals with the RT61 wifi chipset?04:41
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robertjhey all, whats the default expo key?04:41
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Jaymachttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=486010&highlight=rt6104:43
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kyjamy problem of drive size cured using>resize2fs /dev/hda104:47
kyjaI now have 70 gigs free space instead of 5004:47
Jaymacrobertj, Super+E04:48
JaymacSuper is likely to be the Windows key on your keyboard, unless you mapped it to something else04:48
kyjayes it is04:48
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kyjahowever it does not seem to be able to be mapped as a modifier key. ie like shift04:50
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kyjait stands alone and is an anoying single map key being beside the space bar04:50
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robertjhrmm, resume still not working with non-free nvidia?04:55
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Reabyany clue how to enable scandinavian keyboard / characters in wine apps ?05:01
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fulat2khi folks, i've installed ndiswrapper for my rt2500 based wifi stick.  from /var/log/messages, i can see that ndiswrapper module is loaded properly and even lists down the supported encryption type.  however, even though the interface is up, i can't get connected.  any ideas?05:10
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kyjaits been alot of work but I have beta working realy nicely now.05:14
kyjaI have to use ati restricted drivers or I will over clock. and I had to change options for audio including swapping gstreamer movie player for xine back end for same over clocking reason.05:15
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NightBirdkyja: yeah.... I had to fight with it a bit myself as well.... it's mostly up and working though... though I haven't tried any of the media software, so I don't even know if all of that is working fine...05:16
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kyjanow it purrs. and I fixed my bloated problem with resize2fs. I realy am liking this version05:16
kyjaits prommising05:17
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kyjaugg that sounds awful05:18
kyjawell I have it so os pretty much idles on most things now.05:18
NightBirdkyja: yeah... I had to boot into windows, download ndiswrapper, boot back into kubuntu, compile and install ndiswrapper... then it worked05:18
kyjaoh gosh thats awful05:19
NightBirdanyways..... I'm off to work, bye05:19
kyjahave good day05:19
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denndaafter feisty to gutsy upgrade: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Cannot write to ressource.05:20
denndaany idea?05:20
dennda(the above error occurs when I click "test" on audio settings-dialog)05:21
kyjaoh man that reminds me I was having errors. where mic was working but I was geting an error dialog. I got to recheck that05:21
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kyjasound prefferences ?05:22
denndayes05:22
kyjaI had to select also all the way down05:22
denndadunno what it's called in english05:22
kyjaalsa05:22
robertjdoes cheese use v4l1 or v4l2?05:22
denndadid that. very same problem05:23
kyjaI typoed. it is Sound Preferences05:23
kyjahmm interesting05:23
kyjaI only get an error on input test. but it works05:23
denndaerr05:24
denndai hope this is due to upgrading and not doing a fresh install...05:24
kyjaI installed fresh edgy on a partition then upgraded it. then I had to copy it over to old partition after I got it set up and stuff transfered. then merged partitions. fixed grub with suer grub fixed an alocation bug with resize2fs05:26
kyjanow I have a good system05:26
dennda00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)05:26
kyjamm05:27
kyjaidk but for giggles maybe open synaptic pachage manager and search >audio driver05:27
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denndaerr05:31
denndahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/12858505:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128585 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound with SAA7134 - pci id 1102:0005" [Medium,Triaged] 05:31
denndathis is it05:31
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denndatriaged?05:31
denndawhy triaged?05:32
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kyjain my places menu I have to desktop items05:38
kyjaerr two05:39
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LhademmorHello. Upgrading to Gutsy made Banshee break on my computer.. Anyone else experiencing the same?05:42
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denndabug report concerning the above mentioned sound problem filed05:43
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denndalet's hope they are fast :)05:43
Lhademmordennda, are you talking to me?05:43
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arnathhi, im having trouble installing linux on a new computer with a 8600gts nvidia card in it (problem being that the screen goes blank once the live cd is loaded)05:44
denndano05:44
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Lhademmordennda, ok :)05:44
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arnathseeing as gutsy has better support for screens etc (or so i heard), would it do the trick?05:44
jokerman009how do i make X work?05:44
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llll-hi, how do i enable sound? (i'm on 7.10, tried whatever i could find on the forums and nothing works)05:47
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Dr_willisodd. My lower gnome panel does not appear (but there is space where it belongs) until i click on it.05:51
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DopplerDeffectDr_willis, I have the same problem with my top panel. I think it's due to compiz fusion since it does not occur when compiz is dissabled at startup05:52
JaymacIs there a problem with Gutsy not automatically mounting NTFS partitions?  I tried adding a line to fstab and the volume disappears from Nautilus...05:52
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JaymacSo every time I reboot I have to manually mount the volume....05:53
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DopplerDeffectllll-, have you tried running alsaconf?05:53
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llll-DopplerDeffect: not yet, how do i go abouts doing it?05:55
DopplerDeffectllll-, just open terminal and type alsaconf, you may have to sudo it05:55
DopplerDeffectllll-, scratch what i said, i think alsaconf was from slackware, it's not present in ubuntu i guess05:56
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llll-DopplerDeffect: yes :(05:57
Jaymacalsamixer?05:57
llll-Jaymac: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device05:57
JaymacI came in late, and am not exactly sure what your problem is?05:58
Jaymacbut if you can't open alsamixer you certainly have a problem of some description05:58
llll-Jaymac: i'm unable to get my sound card to work05:58
Jaymacwhat is it?05:59
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pumahi05:59
llll-sigmatel stac 92xx05:59
pumaSCIM crashed05:59
pumagnome panel closed unexpectedly06:00
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Jaymacllll do you not have any luck with the System>Preferences>Sound app?06:01
pumaanybody helps?06:01
lemsx1|awaypuma: wait until Oct 18 :-P06:01
JaymacPress Alt+F2 and type gnome-panel to get your panel back06:02
llll-audiotestsrc wave==sine freq=512 ! audioconvert !audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed. Please file a bug at...06:03
pumais it a bug?06:03
pumait happened only after installed compiz-zonfig06:04
pumaso bad.06:04
pumaeach time i need type scim -d in terminal.06:05
pumarestart ubuntu, it shows gnome-panel closed unexpectedly and no SCIM shows on top bar.06:06
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khatahnhow can i change the default file manager in kubuntu from dolphin to konqueror?06:17
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barduck Hi, does the 7.10 includes wubi with it and if not, is there a way to use wubi with 7.10 otherwise ?06:18
Dr_williskhatahn,  I see THAT as being a #1 Faq.06:18
Dr_willis:)06:18
Dr_williskhatahn,  and no i dont know how to do it. :)06:19
khatahnhehe, ok :)06:19
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Dr_willisI see the Opposite asked in #kubuntu all the time.06:20
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Dr_willisno answer to that one either heh.06:20
rjekHi.  I'm trying to upgrade to the Gutsy beta to help test it out by launching update-manager -d06:20
rjekHowever, the "upgrade tool" it downloads dies, saying:06:21
rjekcould not send the dbus Inhibit signal: global name 'dbus' is not defined06:21
Dr_willisI normally use that Places Applet. But darn thing opens Dolphin. So now i jsut use the Konqueror button.06:21
rjekWith a Python backtrace following it.  Is this a known issue, or should I not be using the update-manager06:21
rjek?06:21
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rjekAlternatively, will just changing my apt sources to be gutsy and doing apt-get dist-upgrade work OK, or is there something specific that the update tool does?06:25
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Tuplanollarjek, yea, apt-getting with dist-upgrade is the same as update-manager06:26
rjekTuplanolla: So what does this update tool do that it downloads?06:26
rjek(and fails to run)06:27
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Tuplanollarjek: i dunno, but if you can upgrade with apt-get (or aptitude) it's ok is it?06:28
rjekWell, I don't know.  I know it will "work", but I was wondering if there were some specific steps required to do it propely if the update manager has to download a special tool to do it.06:29
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Tuplanollano, it is fine to upgrade with apt-get, at least I did it :] 06:30
Tuplanollaand now I have a well working Gutsy.06:30
Dr_willisodd.. using vncviewer. and the 'enter password dialog box' pops up. but i CANT select/enter info in to it.06:30
Dr_willisanyone verify this befor i file a bugg?06:31
Dr_willisguess it may be a compiz issue also.06:31
Tuplanollayou could try to disable compiz for a while06:31
Dr_willisyea. can ya do that on the fly? :) lets see.. I think you CAN cant ya.06:31
Dr_willisWow. that worked.. This Not having to restart X - is.. amazing06:32
Tuplanollayeah, ubuntu ftw06:32
Dr_willisBingo.. works without compiz, but not with it...06:33
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rjekI see that pointless bling is still implemented to the highest standards. :)06:36
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MrKeunerhi, I have ubuntu studio installed on a box, can I just change the /etc/apt/sources for gutsy and do a dist-upgrade?06:38
hemanHello06:38
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hemanIs it worth me upgrading to 7.10?06:38
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hemanbrb restarting comp06:40
Lynoureheman: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?06:40
hemanubuntu06:41
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Lynoureheman: then I don't know... with kubuntu, would not do it yet if I were not me :)06:41
hemanI looked at it all and it looks better06:41
Lynouretry the livecd, then decide?06:42
hemanok brb06:42
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LynoureFor kubuntu there was some annoying bugs still, e.g. with suspend and strigidaemon taking all CPU06:42
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rjekGoddamnit.  I have a CD image of the gutsy beta here.06:45
rjekHow do I upgrade from it?  Synaptic refuses to accept it, because it's looking for a real CD rather than a loopback-mounted one.06:45
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antoHeya guys i just got a gusty update today an i have totaly forgotten how to reinstall my nvidia drivers !'06:46
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kyjaok so some applications still over clock my cpu. I have umm. multi threaded p4 proc that acts like 2 cpu's. its 3.4 gigs and dl from ftp with bible time 1.6.4 over clocks me and kills my power06:53
rjekHow does software overclock your CPU?06:53
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kyjathats what I would like to know. you see it uses a kernel that divides work to the two threads06:54
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kyjaso it moves data around between cpu1 and cpu2 but if its not doing that somethings rack 1 cpu to 100% and bam !! emergancy power cut from bois06:55
rjekAre you sure it's just that your CPU has insufficent cooling, and the machine stiffs when it overheats under load?06:55
aldanonso i'm still working on compiling this driver for my x-fi soundcard ;)06:56
kyjawell, I had questioned the very same thing before however.. this threading worked fine bore the update.06:56
aldanonanyone here good at compiling? heh06:56
kyjamm any luck?06:57
rjekaldanon: I tend to leave that to GCC :)06:57
rjekAnd I tend to leave audio to my Hi Fi. :)06:57
aldanongcc?06:57
kyjagcc compiler06:57
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aldanoncreative just released the 64bit driver, but i'm not having any luck so far07:00
nerdzyboyIm running ubuntu 7.10b, Im having a problem with my wifi card, it is being detected properly, the network manager connects properly to any network but the speed never gets over 10-12 kb/s is that normal? (in windows i can get speeds of 800 kb/s with the same card...)07:00
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kyjaaldanon, your 64bit cpu?07:01
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aldanonaye i'm running a 64-bit opteron07:01
rjekRather than a 32-bit one? :)07:02
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kyjanerdzyboy, there might be comromize due to distance and obsticles. you can check things ut with iwconfig and set things.07:02
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kyjahehe cool07:02
kyjathis hyper threading thing is driving me bananas !07:03
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nerdzyboywhat should the link signal level be for a good connection?07:03
aldanonthats a question you would want to pose to a cable technician07:04
kyjato see processor monitor say 50% and all three fans kick on and before you know it. power out07:04
cromowth? I updated today (250+ MB of updates) and the resolution under gsm is just 320x240??? after logging in proper resolution is set up again though.07:04
kyjawhen I get 64% I can still dl over 1mbit07:04
cromo*gdm07:04
nerdzyboyI have a signal of -100 dbm...07:05
macogwdoes anyone else have this bug:  you're connected to wireless.  you plug in an ethernet cable.  NetworkManager continues to have the wired network greyed out instead of letting you connect to it07:05
kyjaeth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"linksys"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"07:05
kyja          Mode:Managed  Frequency=2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:13:10:E4:25:2907:05
kyja          Bit Rate=24 Mb/s   Tx-Power=19 dBm07:05
kyja          RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off07:05
kyja          Link Quality=76/100  Signal level=-51 dBm  Noise level=-71 dBm07:05
kyja          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:007:05
kyja          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:007:05
aldanonso any compiling wizards in the house?07:05
kyjayeah your lvl kinda stinks07:06
fulat2kmacogw: yups, have it here.07:06
macogwok07:06
hydrogen!paste | kyja07:06
ubotukyja: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:06
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kyjamy oppologies07:06
macogwnext bug: anyone using network-manager-vpnc and have it set to save the passwords in the keyring but finding that it doesn't save them and you have to enter them on login anyway?07:07
kyjashould have msged him actualy07:07
BlueParrothmm, I seem to be having a minor bug / misconfiguration / problem07:07
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BlueParrotthe quit button in the Xfce menu often fails to log out ...07:07
Dr_willis!info menu07:07
ubotumenu: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.34 (gutsy), package size 398 kB, installed size 1760 kB07:07
BlueParrotas in, I click it and it does nothing ...07:07
BlueParrotDr_willis: eh ?07:08
kyjanerdzyboy, can you relocate closer to the wireless hub to test this issue? you might have to change channels for less interfearance07:08
Dr_willisi got a bad habbit of typing !info <package>    in my bash shell now, Due to the bot.07:08
Dr_willisheh heh07:08
macogwhaha07:08
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Dr_willisi should make up some aliasas07:08
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Dr_willisnow THAT would be cool. actually07:09
macogwDr_willis: alias !info='apt-cache show"07:09
kyjaso Dr_willis make an alies in bashrc hehe. alias !info='sudo apt-get install"07:09
kyjahehe07:09
Dr_willisactually using a ! as part of acommand is not good I think. :) thats bash history stuff07:10
kyjaoooh07:10
kyjacood point07:10
kyjadarn I typo alot07:10
macogwoh07:11
kyjaI typed ! at promped and got this "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'"07:11
Dr_willisapt-cache show   - gives a lot more info also then the bot does.07:11
macogwdidnt know that...07:11
Dr_willis! is part of the history feature. Not really used a lot i guess in bash. (or mentioned a lot)07:11
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ryancrwell the new nvidia driver didn't seem to solve the black window problem for me, how can I force compiz to use indirect rendering again?07:13
kyjaI created an alias to edit bashrc I am so addicted. alias beg="gedit .bashrc &'07:13
Dr_williskyja,  ok.. thats sick. :)07:14
kyja:)07:14
rjekYeah!  gedit!  FOUL.07:14
Dr_willisgo read the 'bash prompt howto' 100 times for pennance..07:14
Dr_willis:P07:14
kyjawell nano I cant paste thats only be07:15
Dr_willisIm making 'ubuntu tweaking' scripts - for my lan of 3 ubuntu box's to tweak/setup/install stuff how I like it...07:15
kyjalol07:15
kyjanice07:15
Dr_williskyja,  install 'gpm' for console cut/pasteing. :) (one of my tweaks)07:15
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Dr_willisthen theres setting up vi 'properly' :)07:15
kyjagpm huh. ok07:15
Dr_williswho decided to include vim-tiny :007:16
macogwfulat2k: bug #14863007:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148630 in network-manager-applet "Wired not available in NetworkManager after wireless is used (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14863007:16
emetgedit for the winnnnn07:16
macogwemet: eh?07:16
Dr_willisemet,  untill you ned to edit somting without X :)07:16
Dr_willis!info gvim07:17
macogwi <3 vim07:17
ubotuPackage gvim does not exist in gutsy07:17
emetDr_willis: gtk-ncurses07:17
Dr_willisAck! what!07:17
Dr_willisno gvim? Hmm..07:17
kyjayeah, I had been stuck once where x would not start because of a lock file07:17
macogwwhen i have to type in textboxes in firefox, i always want to hit <esc>$ to go to end of line, but it doesn't work outside vim and bash (vi is my bash input method)07:17
riotkittiei <3 pie07:17
BlueParrotDr_willis: heh, I located the actual problem with the menu it seems07:17
BlueParrotDr_willis: known xfce bug : ) . The quit button fails ...07:18
BlueParrot"fun"07:18
riotkittienetwork-manager == suddenly quite evil  :|07:18
macogwyeah07:18
macogwit suddenly started to suck07:18
macogw"disable wireless" doesn't actually disable wireless either....oh thats likely part of my other bug07:18
kyjagpm awsome07:19
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kyjaI realy think that finaly after much work I have 7.10b working great other than some apps dont work good with the multi threaded dual cpu thing07:21
riotkittiei like the way it still showed me as connected thirty mins after my connection had dropped :D07:21
kyjahehe07:22
macogwim not sure if its nm or nm-applet that i should be reporting against07:22
macogwbecause i dont know if the UI isn't sending the signals / responding to signals or if the backend isn't doing anything07:22
riotkittieah :|07:22
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ryancranyone, indirect rendering?07:25
kurisutofuaahow do you upgrade to from 7.04 to 7.10b? Just testing it out. (Through it in a vm.)07:26
Dr_willisi wonder if 'fuse' not set for default users. is a bug of a security feature....07:27
macogwkurisutofuaa: gksu "update-manager -d"07:27
Dr_willisor a feature. :)07:27
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kyjaI have tried to find good resources for bash clippings for cool additions to my rc file :/ hmmm07:33
jhearnHi, I've just installed Gutsy and have a few questions. Is this a decent place to ask about the gnome desktop in gutsy?07:34
kyjaas good as any07:35
jhearnThanks :) This is a little one, but when I go to the preferences on the workspace switcher applet, there's no option to change the number of workspaces.07:36
jhearnThe docs say that there should be..07:36
kyjaare you talking about multi desktops?07:36
jhearnvirtual desktops07:37
kyjaI have the option07:37
jhearnI only see "Show only the current workspace" and "Show all workspaces in X rows"07:37
kyjabold: workspaces ... Number od Workspaces:07:37
kyjayou can resize the window even without the wedge07:38
riotkittiejhearn: > go to System > Preferences > Appearance. you need to change it there07:38
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jhearnYeah, I'm not seeing it. Resizing the window didn't reveal anything.07:38
kyjaahhh, might be different with comprize running07:38
kyjayeah like riotkittie said07:39
jhearnHmm. That was it.07:39
jhearnThanks!07:39
riotkittieyw07:40
jhearnI disabled compiz and the options on the widget showed up.07:40
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IndyGunFreak!gparted07:41
ubotuGParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php07:41
IndyGunFreak!partition07:41
ubotuPartitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter07:41
IndyGunFreakhmm07:41
kyja?07:41
kyjaIndyGunFreak, partition trouble?07:41
IndyGunFreakkyja: naa... i can't get gparted to open up under gutsy, it just goes on "scan devices" forever07:42
riotkittiei wish i could get used to the reversal of my hard drives07:42
IndyGunFreaki've disconnected all my external drives, ipods, etc.07:42
riotkittieoh. now that i'm under gutsy, let me see if i have that problem07:42
kyjaIndyGunFreak, mine was crashing after edit and rescan. anonymous reports were sent out several times07:42
IndyGunFreaki installed the version in the repos, had that problem, so i uninstalled, and compiled the new version from the gparted homepage, with same resujlts07:43
IndyGunFreakkyja: its not that big of a deal really, i use a partedmagic live CD, I just like having gparted available on my install.07:43
kyjaperhap you have errors.07:43
IndyGunFreakkyja: terminal didn't report any when i ran it in terminal.07:43
IndyGunFreaklike i said, i tjust sat on "scanning devices", for like 10-15min, and i finally force quit gparted07:44
IndyGunFreakntfs07:44
kyjak you would have to run fsck -f on the drive unmounted. -f will tell it check again even if its clean flag is set. did you?07:44
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kyjainteresting07:44
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IndyGunFreakkyja: i have 1 drive, 15gig XP partition, 220gig ext307:45
kyjanice size.07:45
IndyGunFreak:)07:46
IndyGunFreaki only have XP because of my GPS device.07:46
kyjaI had trouble where gutsy looked 40gb now its 20gb same content. nothing deleated. I think that was what I had trouble with07:46
IndyGunFreaki had it running on XP via VirtualBox, but it was really slow, decided I'd torture myself with a windows install and boot it a couple times a month07:46
IndyGunFreaki've really had no trouble with gutsy, other than this gparted issue, which isn't that big of a deal.07:47
kyjayou could for giggles run resize2fs /dev/sdax07:47
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kyjammm. I had some issues. got most of them cleared up how ever one major issue still remains.07:48
IndyGunFreaki had a little trouble with Dual Monitors, it didn't set up quite as easily as it did in feisty...07:48
riotkittiei need to get another internal. i dread installing it tho.07:48
kyjathat is in how running applications gets devided between my two cpu threads07:48
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kyjahehe07:49
IndyGunFreaki actually screwed it bad enough, i couldn't install the proper driver(my fault, as i apparently installed the wrong version), so i reinstalled gutsy, used restricted driver, and had to tweak some setting sto make it work.07:49
IndyGunFreakexternal drives are awesome.07:49
kyjayes they can be07:49
IndyGunFreakI got a seagate 500gig on sale for $99 at Best buy, and bought a $25 enclosure at Tigerdirect.  $130, 500gigs of external storage07:50
riotkittiethis would be more awesome if i could use it on my laptop.07:50
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: yeah, i like mine cuz i can use it on my laptop and my PC..07:50
riotkittieand since sending my last external dropping to its death, i am kind of wary :P07:51
kyjathere is a 400gig model that can slide into my hp pavilion. I want badly07:51
riotkittiei should just remove it from the enclosure and make sure that it's toast. but my other half won't let me. :|07:51
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: lol, i have 2 externals, 1 80gig, 1 500, my 80gig, has everything real important to me backed up, and just sits in a drawer, the 500gig, gets regular updates07:52
IndyGunFreakboth are in enclosures i bought from TD07:52
IndyGunFreakwhats the terminal command to view disk info?... is it df?07:52
riotkittiei've only gone the premade seagate route because i'm lazy like that :P07:52
riotkittieyea, df07:52
IndyGunFreakhmm, doesn't show anything about my ntfs partition07:52
riotkittiemy first was a 500. the one that i've got now is 300 :|07:52
riotkittieis your ntfs mounted?07:53
kyjaa friend ups'ed me a 30gig ipod that he was only using as a backup of his os lol. he decided he would give it to me.07:53
IndyGunFreaklol07:53
IndyGunFreaki love my 30gig ipod.07:53
riotkittiei need a larger ipod.07:53
IndyGunFreaki wish they made a waterproof one i could wear when i swim..lol07:53
riotkittiei am suffering with a mere 2gb nano ;(07:54
IndyGunFreakof course then i'd need waterproof headphones.07:54
IndyGunFreaki have a 4gig nano, and a 30gig video.07:54
macogwi have a 30g zen and could never use all that memory07:54
macogwi wanna sell it for a sansa e2xx07:54
macogwi only have like 6gb of songs total after ripping all my songs07:54
macogw*all my cds07:54
riotkittiei have 30+ gb of music  at the moment.07:54
IndyGunFreakmacogw:  i had a sansa e2 something.. maybe e210?  4gig it was pretty nice, when i got my nano, i gave it to my youngest sister when my nephew accidentally broke her mp3 player(it was some cheapy)07:55
riotkittieanh will have much more once we find all of our CDs, and i get the motivation to rip four crates of records07:55
kyjaI put like 20 gigs of styx journey and queen on mine07:55
IndyGunFreakmy ipod has about 10gigs free.. mostly country, old rock, 80's, etc.07:55
macogwriotkittie: yeah ripping records would add more to mine...07:55
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kyjahow can you jam to kenny g?07:56
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Dr_willis:)07:57
IndyGunFreaki downloaded some cool mac icons from gnome-look.org yesterday07:57
kyjalol07:57
AncientRelicis there any reason why Gutsy didn't load "xserver-xgl" when I upgraded?07:57
Dr_willisHmm...07:57
Dr_willishttp://www.ubuntuhq.com/content/no-more-automatix%3F-automagic-codec-and-flash-install-ubuntu-gutsy07:57
Dr_willisThis guy said that Gutsy auto-installed flash for him?  It dident for me...07:58
Dr_willisor was that a recent change?07:58
IndyGunFreakDr_willis: it did for me to.. well, just like windows anyways, click the add plugin, choose adobe, and it installed07:58
riotkittie"Flash pug-in".  hee hee hee. that amuses me greatly.07:58
Dr_willisThen again.. the guy couldent  aparently install it befor.. without using automatix.07:58
Dr_willisIndyGunFreak,  hmm.. i dident even try that. :)07:58
IndyGunFreakDr_willis: lol, case in point..lol07:58
Dr_willisDeath of AUtomatix = a good thing. :)07:59
alka_trashI noticed logging into gnome, takes a little longer - does anyone know a fix?07:59
kyjait is a good thing. realy07:59
IndyGunFreaki used automatix, and it wasnt that bad, then i started reading about the hell it had caused many others, and decided to do away with it.07:59
kyjaand its true. firefox installed java and flash for me07:59
IndyGunFreakDr_willis: did it die?... i saw many of the newbs bemoaning that their site was down07:59
kyjamovie player installed missing codec08:00
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riotkittiei don't see why people turn to automatix.08:00
alka_trashit's really scary when Michael Dell recommends Automatix08:00
kyjathis is the way it should be. with disclaimers of non free choices08:00
alka_trashscarry08:00
riotkittiedoes he really, alka_trash ?08:00
Dr_willisIndyGunFreak,  with every release of ubuntu.. automatix becomes less and less needed.08:00
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IndyGunFreakriotkittie: because they don't want to work at making th eir PC and Linux work.. they want it dumbed down to where they don't have to think.. its a sign of society08:00
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AncientRelicIn Gutsy, how do I get the desktop cube?08:01
kyjait says the right progress is being made to ubuntu08:01
Dr_willisalka_trash,  yep.. people that have no idea about computer long term security/updating/ussage .. just wanting 'idiot proofing for the short term'08:01
Dr_willis:)08:01
IndyGunFreakDr_willis: true, but with the medibuntu repo.. installing codecs is about as difficult as mailing a letter.. if you ask me anyways08:01
riotkittieIndyGunFreak: i know, i know. but as much as i know, i can't wrap my head around it, whatsoever08:01
alka_trashriotkittie: I remember seeing a page from dell on what Mr Dell is running and on his Ubuntu Laptop he listed Automatix08:01
kyjaAncientRelic, i do believe you have to run beryl08:01
Dr_willisIndyGunFreak,  yep. That out for gutsy now> not chedked lately.08:01
Dr_willisalka_trash,  now the DMCA and RIAA can sue him!08:01
Dr_willis)08:01
IndyGunFreakDr_willis: i just used the feisty medibuntu repo, and its worked fine w/ Gutsy w/o modification08:01
Dr_willisIndyGunFreak,  cool. was wondering about that.08:02
Dr_williswill have to check it out later.08:02
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Dr_willisgotta go to to work. ICK! now. :)08:02
AncientRelickyja: not worth it then, I'm getting just about all the effects I want from Desktop Effects turned all the way up08:02
IndyGunFreakDr_willis: its given me no issues, i just used it for DVDs, multimedia, googlearth, and adobe acrobat, and all those programs work fine.08:02
riotkittieAncientRelic: install compiz-settings-manager08:02
AncientRelicriotkittie: thanks08:03
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alka_trashA little older now, but on the 3rd paragraph it lists Automatix  http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5149877302.html08:03
riotkittielol. i will have to add him to my list of people to send angry letters to08:04
IndyGunFreakyou know before deciding to put gutsy on my laptop and my PC, i was messing with Beafanatix Linux.. based on ubuntu.. it has so much promise for slow PC's, but its based on freakin Ubuntu Breezy08:04
IndyGunFreakbut man is it fast08:04
riotkittieall my slow machines get slackware. or zenwalk. <308:05
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IndyGunFreaki tried zenwalk.. used it in vbox, it was pretty cool.08:05
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AncientRelicI'm getting a new laptop in a week or so, since I've got compiz running beautifully on my spare box with an X300 video card, I'm less concerned about ATI graphics in my laptop08:05
riotkittiealthough i guess a server install with flux on top would work alright08:05
IndyGunFreaki may put tha ton my laptop.... i'd honestly forgot about it.08:05
IndyGunFreakit woule give me a distro thats a bit "harder".. to learn stuff08:05
riotkittiemy x300 makes me a sad panda08:05
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SimSimafternoon.08:06
SimSimneed help, When I reboot my pc it doesn't load my nvidia, I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia, then startx and then it loads nvidia as normal, how can I fix this?08:06
riotkittiei have zen on my laptop, alongside dapper08:06
AncientRelicriotkittie: with 7600GS cards below 80 USD it can't be that bad08:06
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IndyGunFreakZenwalk is based on slack, correct?08:06
riotkittieyep08:06
IndyGunFreakso it shoud be fast.08:06
tituncan i hope this problem to be solved in Gutsy final release? on feisty on boot my keyboard+touchpad hangs, sp i have to do ACPI=Off but this takes away my audio??08:06
IndyGunFreakbut man, all that compiling.. .. ::shutter::08:06
riotkittieoh it's mindblowingly fast.08:06
SimSimunless you have brain damage, then speed won't be an issue.08:07
IndyGunFreakcuz it doesn't have any sort of package manager does it?... you basically scour the net to insall dependencies08:07
riotkittiethere's slapt-get and gslapt but i'm not sure how well those work, or how well they handle depends08:08
assasukassehi all, when gutsy will be released, what will be the easiest way to install on a feisty system with some additional repos added (not official repo, like the one for hinted fonts and so on)08:08
IndyGunFreakslapt-get..lol  thats great08:08
riotkittie:D08:08
Evanleclol08:08
IndyGunFreakassasukasse: i'd imagine disable them, upgrade, then re-enable08:08
SimSimass, dist-upgrade :D08:09
assasukasseIndyGunFreak: thanks, that is what i wanted to do, i just wanted another word :D08:09
IndyGunFreakSimSim: i think he's concerned about unofficial repos dragging in upgrades that would bork the upgrade08:09
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IndyGunFreakhey Evanlec  didn't see you come in08:09
Evanlechey hey08:09
tituncan i hope to get my ACPI=Off problem solved in Gutsy?08:09
IndyGunFreak::flip a coin:::08:10
SimSimag08:10
SimSimah08:10
kyjaapt-slapt install ?08:10
Evanleci put the acpi=off option on and for some reason on bootup i still see it loading the acpi module08:10
titunacpi=on hangs my touchpad+keyboard and acpi=off takes away my audio08:10
AncientRelicriotkittie: which repo is compiz-settings-manager in?08:10
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IndyGunFreakSimSim: thats part of the problem with automatix(among others anyways), most of the problems, seem when trying to upgrade, it starts dragging in upgrades from every which direction, then really hoses things good, thus you end up reinstalling.08:11
EvanlecAncientRelic, i believe Amaranth's08:11
AncientRelicEvanlec: OK, I'm going to start with gnome-compiz-manager for now08:11
riotkittieAncientRelic: sorry, its compizconfig-settings-manager  ... and its in universe08:11
SimSimwell with automatix there will be a gutsy version out anyway08:11
SimSimfor those that use it08:11
Pici!automatix08:11
ubotuAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)08:11
AncientRelicriotkittie: thanks for the correction08:11
Evanleci used automatix :( thus why im going to clean install gutsy08:12
SimSimI liked it in the beginning, then I just found it useless08:12
riotkittieAncientRelic: i always mess that up and fail to catch it on time :o08:12
IndyGunFreakEvanlec: probably a good idea.. and you like tinkering anyways, start doing stuff the right way...lol08:12
SimSimno need for a clean install really08:12
kyjaalias ns='netstat -alnp --protocol=inet | grep -v CLOSE_WAIT | cut -c-6,21-94 | tail +2'08:12
IndyGunFreakjust remove the automatix repo.08:12
EvanlecIndyGunFreak, yep, im going to do things the right way this time ;p08:12
SimSimjust remove it and remove the repos08:12
SimSimthen do a dist-upgrade08:13
SimSimand voila08:13
Evanlecu tink so?08:13
IndyGunFreakya.. that should do it.08:13
SimSimthats what I did08:13
Evanlechmmm08:13
riotkittiei'd do a clean install. but i alwaaays do clean installs08:13
riotkittie:P08:13
SimSimfrom feisty/automatix to gutsy/no automatix08:13
Evanlecinteresting08:13
Evanleci kinda wanted to setup some softraid/lvm action tho08:13
riotkittiewith the exception of my laptop. because it's just not liking the edgy or feisty discs08:13
IndyGunFreakthis of couirse, coming from someone who hates upgrading, i do clean isntalls everytime, but i've heard what simsim just describes, works fine08:13
riotkittieif i had to dist-upgrade on dialup, <cringe>08:14
SimSimI also am a no upgrade person in any OS, i prefer clean installs, but I said what the hell08:14
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: lol, yikes08:14
Evanlechmph08:14
IndyGunFreakhow long does it even take to do an upgrade?08:14
IndyGunFreaki've heard around 2hrs.08:14
titun" If you regularly update, you already have it" does this mean i have most the features/functanalities that gutsy has to offer if my current system is up-to-date?08:14
SimSimI said to myself let me do it, for fun, so I did it, and it worked so I got lazy to do a clean install :)08:14
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SimSimwell im on a 1mbit line08:15
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: About 2.5 Hours for me from feisty to Gutsy08:15
IndyGunFreaksee, that makes no sense.08:15
Evanlectitun, yes08:15
SimSim2.5 hrs? hmm took me less08:15
SimSimbut then I do regular upgrade checks daily08:15
riotkittieIndyGunFreak: mine were really fast, i'm going to say like an hour, if even that08:15
AncientRelicSimSim: I'm on DSL08:15
riotkittiemaybe 30 mins08:15
titunEvanlec: ah...gr808:15
Evanleci get about 500kB/s downstream from ubuntu repos08:15
riotkittiei remeber the good old days of downloading Linux ISOs on a 56k :x08:16
SimSimsometimes do apt-get update twice a day08:16
IndyGunFreakno kdding, i used a torrent to download the gutsy alternate iso(bout 15min) reinstalled in about 20-25min. spent about 20-25min reinstalling and removing applications that I didn't want anymore.08:16
Evanlecthey're usually nice and fast, saturate my pipe very nicely ;)08:16
SimSimtrue08:16
IndyGunFreakanmd about 20min or so moving videos, mp3s, etc,. from my external drive back to my new install.08:16
SimSimdoing a clean install is like getting an enema done.08:16
IndyGunFreakthen probably 10-15, going through all my programs and adjusting settings08:16
macogwhahah08:16
AncientRelicSimSim: That's what I'm doing on my primary box when Gutsy is released08:16
IndyGunFreakSimSim: yeah, plus i can make sure i have no viruses.. :)08:16
SimSimhaha08:16
SimSimspeaking of viruses08:17
SimSimI tried avg today08:17
IndyGunFreakany good?08:17
SimSimits not bad actually08:17
SimSimas a linux antivirus scanner08:17
IndyGunFreakhmm, i use it on my xp partition.. why i don't know.. i boot XP 1x a month..08:17
Evanleci feel like i should do clean install tho, i feel like i kinda littered and messied my current filesystem, for instance installing games n crap in strange folders like /usr/local/games08:17
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SimSimat least it lets me scan harddrives that I connect to my usb external for repairs08:17
riotkittiei boot into xp like once a day <hangs head in shame>08:17
Evanlechah! linux really doesnt have virus problems...08:17
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: A little VMware workstation, and you'll never dual boot again08:17
SimSimno but I use it to scan harddrives with windows on it before I repair/recover from them from clients08:18
riotkittiebut i am spending a lot more time in ubuntu since caving and going the ndiswrapper route. mmm, stable wireless.08:18
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: i actualy tried it.. i boot Vmware to manage my GPS device, and it absolutely sucked in Vmware.. very very slow... decided giving 15-20gigs to XP, was worth the hassle.08:18
SimSimto be honest its better than clamav08:18
IndyGunFreakhmm08:18
SimSimand faster scanning08:18
SimSimbut like I said I only installed it today08:18
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: ouch08:18
riotkittieavg <308:18
Evanleci couldnt stand AVG on windows...kept bugging me with updates n crap08:19
SimSimso i'll give it a few days to try08:19
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: its ok, Ubuntu has about 220ish..lol08:19
AncientRelicbut I have hope if VMware is adding DX9 support to Fusion08:19
SimSimwell avg linux doesn't bug you08:19
SimSimand it looks almost like clamav :)08:19
AncientRelicThen DX9 for Workstation shouldn't be far behind08:19
IndyGunFreakhow difficult was it to compile?08:19
Evanlecyea, i imagine its better08:19
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SimSimno compile, its in the avg website .deb :)08:20
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IndyGunFreakSimSim: hmm, sweet.. link?08:20
IndyGunFreakavg.com?08:20
IndyGunFreakoh wait, grisoft.com08:20
EvanlecAncientRelic, directx9 on vmware? eh? games thru vmware?08:20
riotkittieon a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to set up a vm?08:20
SimSimyea08:20
AncientRelicEvanlec: Yep08:20
SimSim1 begeing easy?08:20
SimSimbeing*08:20
riotkittiei remember looking into it on my laptop but given my hardware, it wasnt happening08:20
IndyGunFreaki'll put it on my laptop, see how ti goes.08:20
riotkittieSimSim: yes08:20
SimSimwell pretty easy08:21
EvanlecAncientRelic, no way?? when is this happening lol08:21
SimSimand im a noob08:21
IndyGunFreakvm is pretty easy.08:21
IndyGunFreaki liked Virtualbox when i messed with it.08:21
SimSimtook me about 10 minutes including download/install08:21
IndyGunFreakEvanlec: there's a lot of info via google if you do some searching.08:21
AncientRelicEvanlec: http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/26/vmware-fusion-1-1b-for-intel-macs-available08:21
SimSimbut then I switched to virtualbox08:21
Evanleci heard virtualbox was a lot faster than vmware08:21
SimSimfound it faster08:21
AncientRelicEvanlec: Note that its for the Mac product08:21
riotkittiei'll have to give one of them a go, then08:22
AncientRelicEvanlec: but it should translate pretty well08:22
IndyGunFreaki got pretty good at running various Linux OS's in Virtualbox, and they all ran fine, but XP was awful08:22
SimSimdont forget to look in youtube for so many tutorials08:22
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: I've got 2005 MCE running just fine on my VMware 608:22
SimSimthere are many people youtubing how to's for lots of ubuntu stuff08:22
SimSimso if you can't follow directions, a video should do the trick08:22
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: yeah, i might have done something wrong, but it woudl be fine, until i hooked up my GPS device, then it would get so slow my mouse was jerking,e tc.08:23
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AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: What CPU on your box?08:23
IndyGunFreak2.4ghz AMD 3200+08:23
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: S939?08:23
SimSimso anyway anyone wanna help me with my wierd nvidia loading problem?08:23
IndyGunFreak939?08:23
IndyGunFreakyou mean the socket?08:24
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: Si senor08:24
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Evanleclol08:24
IndyGunFreaki don't think so, if i recall, thats fairly new, this is about a year old08:24
SimSimI reboot the machine and it starts to load it gets to the gdm but then it gets to that xorg gui config, so I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia then startx and it loads nvidia fine08:24
IndyGunFreakit might be though, when i built it, i pretty much splurged on it.08:24
IndyGunFreaki'll find my motherboard manual and look.08:24
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: If you've got a Socket AM2 motherboard, RUN and get a X2 3600+ from Newegg08:24
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: Less than 60 USD for dual core08:25
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: and VMware loves dual core08:25
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SimSimnothing wrong with my 478pin :)08:25
Evanlecless than 60$ for an x2 ?08:25
Evanlecno kiddin...08:25
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: hmm, i was planning to build a new box in Jan/Feb...08:25
IndyGunFreakmaybe i'll do it a bit early08:26
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: If you're going new system08:26
AncientRelicJan is perfect08:26
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IndyGunFreakya.08:26
AncientRelicIntel new Q9300 quad core for 275ish08:26
SimSimor wait till jan and the processor will come free with a 10pack condom purchase08:26
Evanlec<---socket 775 ;)08:26
EvanlecLOL08:26
Evanleccondoms and cpu's don't go together08:27
IndyGunFreakya, i gotta start turning into a hardware geek again and read up on this stuff.. i've been so stuck on linux the last year, haven't paid much attention to hardware, but I've built about 6-7 PC's in that time for family/friends08:27
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AncientRelicEvanlec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681910305208:27
AncientRelicjust to prove it ;)08:27
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: wheres the free version of AVG on grisoft's site?.. i'm not findint it.08:27
SimSimtoo bad newegg doesn't ship overseas08:27
SimSimIndy Ill get it for ya08:27
AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: http://free.grisoft.com08:27
EvanlecAncientRelic, lol thats amazing...those x2's used to be super expensive08:27
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IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: ?.. is the linux version there to?08:27
AncientRelicEvanlec: I know, everybody should be dual core08:28
SimSimwww.grisoft.com/linux08:28
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AncientRelicIndyGunFreak: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0?prd=afl08:28
AncientRelicthere you go08:28
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john1212how stable is gutsy?08:28
SimSimoops08:28
SimSimnot the free :)08:28
SimSimyea ancient got ya08:28
EvanlecAncientRelic, im runnin a pentium-D but...wondering if i should upgrade to a pentium EE (pentiumD with hyperthreading) or just get a new mobo and a new quad core chip next year or so08:29
SimSimjohn, how stable are you?08:29
AncientRelicEvanlec: what mobo?08:29
Evanleclol08:29
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: thanks, dont' know how i missed it.08:29
AncientRelicjohn1212: Its running great for me08:29
hetaumais there any way that I can check the chagelog of the programs I update?08:29
EvanlecAncientRelic, http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=1903&ProductName=GA-8I955X%20Pro08:29
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AncientRelicEvanlec: yeah you're SOL for dual core08:29
AncientRelicI mean Core 208:30
Evanlecu mean for intel core duo?08:30
Evanlecyea08:30
SimSim1.8 dualcore pentium overclocking to 3.208:30
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SimSim83$US08:30
AncientRelicOh wait08:30
SimSimworth it I think :)08:30
AncientRelicEvanlec, with a BIOS update you can run C2D08:30
IndyGunFreakdid anyone have trouble with all those updates this morning?.. there wa a long list, but they only took like 2min.. i did notice it upgraded Pidgin to the latest release with that bug fix08:30
AncientRelicoh wait you can'08:30
AncientReliccan't08:30
IndyGunFreakbut i'd already compiled it.08:30
AncientRelicstupid website08:30
EvanlecAncientRelic, c2d?08:30
SimSimI thought it was A2Z08:31
john1212AncientRelic:  if i upgrade to it and not like it can i remove it and have 7.04 back with out losing data?08:31
AncientRelicEvanlec: read the chart wrong, you are screwed08:31
Evanleclol08:31
IndyGunFreaklol08:31
EvanlecAncientRelic, but i can get a pentium EE08:31
SimSimjohn, no08:31
IndyGunFreakAncientRelic: don't hold anything back, tell him the truth..lol08:31
SimSimyou can keep the kernels08:31
AncientRelicEvanlec: for the cost of an EE you can get a new mobo and a C2Q08:31
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SimSimkernels and OS version are two different entities08:31
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SimSimkewl08:32
SimSimlet me know what you think08:32
EvanlecAncientRelic, really? hmm...what about my ram? is that transplantable? its ddr2...not great stuff tho08:32
AncientRelicEvanlec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681911501708:32
AncientRelicEvanlec: Yep the memory will go over08:32
SimSimget a combo mobo08:32
AncientRelicEvanlec: is it PC4200 or PC5300?08:32
AncientReliceither way it will work08:33
EvanlecAncientRelic, im not sure...how would i check?08:33
AncientRelicCore 2 is less bandwidth dependant than P-D08:33
Evanlecit was rated at 667mhz i tink08:33
IndyGunFreakSimSim: it says i don't have permission to do an update.. you need root to run a update?08:33
AncientRelicEvanlec: PC530008:33
AncientRelicyou're good for now08:33
SimSimyea Indy08:33
SimSimjust do sudo avggui08:34
IndyGunFreakok...08:34
SimSimand update08:34
IndyGunFreakseems like th ey'd have just made that part of the menu entry, i'll modify that08:34
AncientRelicI think I'd be a god if there was an #ubuntu-hardware channel :P08:34
SimSimno you'd be the dirt that the worm that I stepped on08:34
AncientRelicWhy thank you08:35
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SimSimyour welcome08:35
SimSimeven dirt can be gods08:35
SimSimjust ask terry pratchett08:35
AncientRelicI love Discworld08:35
SimSimook!08:36
IndyGunFreakSimSim: the GUI could be a little better, but its not bad.. i'll run a system scan see if it finds anything..lol08:36
IndyGunFreaki just modified my menu entry so it uses root to open it and asks for my password, kinda silly they didn't do that08:36
SimSimtry to hook a windows harddrive to your pc and do a scan too :)08:37
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IndyGunFreaklol, i'll do that on my pc08:37
IndyGunFreakshojuldn't take to long to scan my laptop, nothing really on it...lol08:37
SimSimthere is ONE good use for this antivirus other than scanning windows harddrives08:37
SimSimat least it will scan your emails if you use evolution or third party email apps08:38
IndyGunFreakSimSim: ? and that is?08:38
SimSimI tried it, and it found a few viruses08:38
SimSimbut then again they were windows viruses08:38
AncientRelicbrb all08:38
IndyGunFreakSimSim: hmm, hadnt thought of that, but i use gmail's website ..08:38
SimSimyea me too, but I have one account that is part of work, so I have to download and not webmail it08:39
IndyGunFreakmakes ssense08:39
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SimSimgood thing im on nix :)08:40
IndyGunFreaklol08:40
IndyGunFreak1002 files scanned, no viruses found...lol, whew08:40
SimSimit was fast right?08:40
IndyGunFreakoh ya.08:40
stefglSimSim: do you really forward funny mails with spoof.pdf.exe attachments to win-users? Do you really need an antivirus to tell you theres a virus/trojan in it ?08:40
disasmupgraded last night, no problems whatsoever, worked like a charm, had all feisty updates done before the upgrade, well there was one problem, ran out of disk space, but removing UT2004 fixed that problem (I knew I should have done a 40 gig root instead of 20...)08:40
SimSimstef :)...maybe08:40
IndyGunFreakSimSim: when i scan all files though, i get an error... "  /       Cannot Open; not checked!  Input/output error".. whats that mean?08:41
IndyGunFreakits got root access.08:41
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SimSimhow could you remove ut?08:41
SimSimshame on you man08:41
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SimSimIndy, prolly it was trying to open a dev file?08:42
IndyGunFreakstefgl: linux version?08:42
disasmSimSim: i don't play video games ;-) I couldn't even beat it on "skilled" difficulty08:42
IndyGunFreakjust trying to figure out what that error means, doens't make sense, cuz i didn't have   / selected08:42
SimSimhmm08:42
stefglIndyGunFreak: that's a native linux app :-)08:42
disasmIndyGunFreak: I hope your joking ;-)08:42
SimSimcould be a glitch08:42
SimSimor your HD is about to die08:42
disasmstefgl: it depends, some windows converts can't seem to get it to run correctly08:42
IndyGunFreaklol, didn't know that, no i wasn't joking08:43
stefglIndyGunFreak: See what i mean... get an idea or leave ... :-)08:43
SimSimwell i/o errors usually mean your drive isnt reading the file correctly08:43
IndyGunFreaklol08:43
IndyGunFreakSimSim: ya.08:43
IndyGunFreakbrain 2.0, i'll have to look for it.08:43
SimSimyou might want to livecd, then fsck it to check for bad blocks and the files are ok08:44
SimSimnever fsck your drive while your in the system08:44
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IndyGunFreakits my lapop, probalby is bad blocks, its a clunker08:44
SimSimrephrase, dont fsck your root drive while mounted.08:44
IndyGunFreakya08:45
SimSimmy HD is dying too08:45
disasmstefgl: I upgraded to brain 3.0, it allows me to compile my own software, including custom kernels!08:45
IndyGunFreakSimSim: but i got it like a year ago for about 150ish, it wasn't a bad deal08:45
SimSim:)08:45
IndyGunFreakso what is brain's homepage?08:45
disasmroflol08:45
IndyGunFreaki really got it just to experiment w/ different distros, w/o screwing with my PC.08:46
SimSimtalking about brain had me thinking of all the brain games I have on my ds08:46
SimSimalso got me hungry08:46
SimSimdeep fried brains and liver08:46
SimSimmmm08:46
IndyGunFreakwell googling Brain for Linux turns up zilch08:47
SimSimbreaded fried brains with salad and tahina08:47
SimSimmmmmm08:47
IndyGunFreakstefgl: what is brain's homepage08:47
IndyGunFreakwait a second...lol08:48
IndyGunFreaki just caught onto this.08:48
IndyGunFreakbrain can be found at onshoulders.com  i'm guessing?08:48
disasmI just had to explain to my boss why I'm laughing so hard ;-)08:48
SimSimclever boy :)08:48
SimSimnow he gets it08:48
IndyGunFreakdisasm: cut me some slack, i worked 16 yesterday, woke up at 4am, lol08:48
SimSimya ya08:48
IndyGunFreaki need to get back to bed08:48
IndyGunFreakbut i'm on call right now.08:49
SimSimexcuses08:49
disasmlol ;-) it's still funny though ;-)08:49
IndyGunFreaki know.08:49
IndyGunFreakit was funny, i agree.08:49
Evanlecwhat do i want here...vmware workstation?08:49
IndyGunFreakif you guys don't mind being offtopic for a few minutes, i'll tell you a funny story about something i done when i was tired08:49
SimSimor as teenage american pop idolers would say, you got punk'd08:49
IndyGunFreakwell, most people find it hilarious,08:49
SimSimoff topic from what? we've been talking about brains and food08:50
Evanleci gotta get a license for vmware workstation? eh?08:50
SimSimits free08:50
IndyGunFreakSimSim: true but i don't want to raise anyones ire08:50
SimSimoh workstation08:50
Evanlechttp://www.vmware.com/download/ws/lic_601_lin.html08:50
SimSimjust use vmware server08:50
IndyGunFreakok, well here goes,08:50
SimSimvmware server free licence, or use virtualbox (nicer, faster)08:50
Evanlecwhat about vmware fusion? ;p08:51
IndyGunFreakhold on, i'll write it in paste, and you can read if you like..lol08:51
IndyGunFreak!paste08:51
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)08:51
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disasmIndyGunFreak: I use clamav on my mail server to get rid of all the virus spam, it's in ubuntu if you really want a virus scanner. I think there is a graphical version as well, avscan I think it is.08:51
SimSimyou have to collect all dragonballs first to use vmware fusion08:51
Evanleclol08:51
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Evanlecim confused about vmware08:52
SimSimI wont be long here, cause I'll have to remove --purge any nvidia stuff I have and reinstall it again, cant find on google about why im getting this problem08:53
SimSimEvanlec, what exactly?08:53
Evanlecwhat is this new version of vmware thats sposed to have 3d support?08:53
SimSimwell ignore that for now08:53
SimSimyou still wont be able to install vista and run halo 3 from it08:53
Evanleclol08:53
disasmSimSim: what problem?08:54
Evanlecokay, and how bout virtualbox with windows XP?08:54
Evanlecit works well?08:54
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SimSimwell when I reboot my machine it doesnt load the nvidia module as normal, it gets to the xorg gui configurator screen, I have to kill gdm, rmmod nvidia, then startx and it reloads my nvidia as normal again08:54
SimSimEvanlec, yes.08:54
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disasmgui configuration screen?08:55
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SimSimyou know the new xorg gui thing that pops up if the xorg.conf file isnt loading the right module08:55
minimecSimSim: Could it be that you didn't save the changes of the nvidia-software to /etc/xorg.conf? There is a button there.08:56
kbrosnanI am having a problem with the nvidia restricted drivers, if i use them the x server hangs right after the ubuntu boot progress bar is finished. details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=346956408:56
SimSimwell thats just it08:56
SimSimmy xorg.conf HAS "nvidia" in it08:56
EvanlecSimSim, how bout games? that going to be possible anytime soon? when can i get rid of my windows partition?? lol08:56
SimSimand it loads after I rmmod and startx it08:56
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minimecSimSim: Ok. So it is definitly a boot problem.08:57
SimSimEvanlec well there are many linux game alternatives to some windows ones..and then there is CEDEGA I use it to play fifa08:57
disasmSimSim: I haven't seen it yet, is it new in gutsy?08:57
EvanlecCedega....oye08:57
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SimSimyea disasm08:57
SimSimits actually nice08:57
SimSiminstead of old dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg08:57
disasmI always just did Xorg -configure ;-)08:58
minimecSimSim: Try to make a boot.log. You may have to activate that in the services.08:58
SimSimI understand, but for noobs its heaven08:58
disasmit sounds pretty cool08:58
SimSimminimec ah thats it..I forgot to check that08:58
disasmdoes it do restricted?08:58
minimecSimSim: ... and maybe an xorg.log too. It's in /var/log08:59
SimSimyes disasm08:59
SimSimmini, I forgot about that too :)08:59
SimSimthanx08:59
SimSimill check it now09:00
disasmSo, if I move my xorg.conf aside and run startx will it run it? I might have to test it when I get home...09:00
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disasmOh, and does it to dual head configuration? That's the one thing that's a pain if you don't know how to make a custom xorg.conf file09:00
EvanlecSimSim, http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=201909:00
SimSimcause what I did was compile a new nvidia driver, then I upgraded the kernel, then i forgot what I did, I think I installed glx-new, then I removed linux-restricted, then reinstalled again..then I forgot..09:00
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SimSimdisasm it does have that too09:01
minimecdisasm: Removing the .conf file. I don't guess so.09:01
disasmSimSim: are you running a custom kernel or stock?09:01
SimSimstock09:01
SimSim22-1209:01
disasmbut you built a nvidia module from the nvidia site?09:02
SimSimyea09:02
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SimSimand I even deleted the secret .nvidia file thats hidden in the /lib/ or /var/ modules directory09:02
SimSimdid a lot of googling09:02
disasmSimSim: hmmm, I know it throws stuff in a number of places, I don't think there is any easy way to unistall it09:02
SimSimlet me check my logs and see what it says09:02
SimSimyea thats the problem09:03
minimecSimSim: Why didn't you use the official restricted driver?09:03
IndyGunFreakhere you go guys, tell me what you think, i have to leave in a second, is this not th stupidest thing you've ever heard09:03
IndyGunFreakhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39469/09:03
SimSimwell because it was v 100.xx before the restricted ones were out :)09:03
disasmSimSim: if you still have the install file, sh filename.run --uninstall09:03
RivaeAeryais it safe to upgrade to gutsy?09:03
SimSimah thats what I should do09:03
SimSimgood idea disasm09:04
SimSimbrb09:04
disasmRivaeAerya: not unless you can fix it if it breaks09:04
IndyGunFreaknevermind, that paste i all screwed up, i'll do it later.09:04
minimecSimSim: dsam is right. I would do that09:04
RivaeAeryadisasm: then it's not safe09:04
IndyGunFreakgotta go all, be safe09:04
SimSimyea09:04
SimSimbtw about the xorg gui09:04
SimSimhttp://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/09:04
minimecSimSim: ... and then try the ubuntu restricted09:05
disasmRivaeAerya: wait till in releases, even if the upgrade goes okay, nothing to say an update won't screw something serious up09:05
SimSimthe two screenshots there are similar to what I have09:05
Evanleclol09:05
RivaeAeryadisasm: alright. i heard it supported my videocard completely. I have an ATI Radeon 925009:05
Evanlecgood story indy09:05
SimSimminimec obviously :) I just wanted to figure out a way to do this, and --uninstall should do it09:05
SimSimI think I should arrange a release party for 7.10 in my area09:06
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HardDiskmeh taken09:06
HDiskok there we go09:07
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HDisksimsim was just a nick I picked to get on quick09:07
HDiskwell its what my mom called me as a baby09:07
HDiskbrb door09:08
minimec... quiet romantic ;)09:08
hyljehow quiet09:11
kbrosnanI am having a problem with the nvidia restricted drivers, if i use them the x server hangs right after the ubuntu boot progress bar is finished. details at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3469564 or just ask me for more info09:11
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disasmRivaeAerya: well, if your card isn't fully supported now, it might be worth doing an upgrade, just know if it has problems, your out of a machine till you fix em'09:12
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ikoniakbrosnan: anything in the xorg or gdm log files ?09:13
RivaeAeryadisasm: well... somebody said that in #ubuntu-offtopic, and i don't know if i can trust those words, because the open-source Radeon driver works fine... but how's the support for ATI Radeon 9200 PRO (9250) in Gutsy then?09:13
disasmRivaeAerya: don't know, I stick with NVIDIA myself09:13
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kyjadarn I would like to know why gutsy revs my cpu's more. I guess I can try an the older kernel on grub boot09:14
RivaeAeryadisasm: where can i get the info?09:14
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disasmRivaeAerya: i don't know, I've been looking for release notes for a while, and haven't seen any detailed ones09:15
HDiskok going to try the --uninstall thing09:16
HDiskbbl09:16
disasmhdisk == simsim09:16
kbrosnanikonia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39470/ is my xorg log, where is the gdm one? same location?09:16
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ikoniagdm.log - same location09:18
ikoniakbrosnan: Iasked if there was anything in the log of interest - not show it to me09:18
Blackgothquestion: I have flash from the ubuntu repo installed, i can check my webcam with camorama, but i CANT use it in flash09:18
ikoniaBlackgoth: using flash or gnash ?09:19
Blackgothflash09:19
Blackgothadobe flash09:19
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ikoniaBlackgoth: adobe flash from the ubuntu repo - or from adobe.com09:19
Blackgothubuntu repo09:19
PiciBlackgoth: flash is not v4l2 compatible iirc.  I'm not sure about v4l1.09:19
minimecRivaeAerya: The Radeon 9250 is supported out of the box with the opensource driver. there is no restricted driver anymore!09:19
kbrosnanikonia: i am not sure what would be interesting09:19
ikoniaPici: thats impressive off the top of your head09:19
ikoniakbrosnan: errors, warnings09:20
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Piciikonia: I was reading something about it earlier ;)09:20
ikoniaPici: should have kept quite, I was impressed09:20
ikoniaI still am09:20
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Blackgothheh :p09:20
Blackgothwould gnash support it?09:20
ikoniano09:20
Blackgothaww09:20
ikoniagnash is less advanced09:20
Blackgothany idea's how i can get this working ikonia ?09:21
ikoniafrom what Pici is saying , its not supported09:21
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RivaeAeryaminimec: not in Gutsy either?09:23
Blackgothikonia: according to v4l my webcam _is_ supported09:24
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minimecRivaeAerya: No. The 8500 9000 and 9200 are not supported with the restricted driver. It starts with Radeon 960009:24
PiciBlackgoth: Are you using v4l1 or v4l2?09:24
ikoniadidn't say your webcam is, flash may not be09:24
panosruhi, i have downloaded firefox 32 and install but mplayer does not work please can someone help me with this issue?09:24
Blackgothv4l09:24
PiciDid it work pre-gutsy?09:25
RivaeAeryaminimec: and is it a good thing that my card only supports the open-source drivers?09:25
BlackgothPici: never used ubuntu before gutsy, only debian09:25
Blackgothand yes, it did work with debian09:25
Picihm...09:25
minimecRivaeAerya: I can't say that. It works with a gutsy clean install out of the box in 3d mode. Do you want more?09:26
RivaeAeryaminimec: nah :)09:26
BlackgothPici: does the output of v4l-info help you?09:26
PiciBlackgoth: I'm actually stepping away from the computer right now. Sorry :(09:27
Blackgothheh okay :)09:27
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mikepjThis is the first time I've considered installing a beta of Ubuntu...  I was just curious what the update process is once the final version of Gibbon is released.  Would I just do an apt-get upgrade to get the final packages?09:34
disasmmikepj: usually a dist-upgrade is needed until it's stable09:34
disasmmikepj: just beware, your system may break, and your out of a system till you get it fixed09:35
Yarozemikepj: i dont recommend upgrading any operatingsystem especially not Ubuntu :)09:35
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disasmYaroze: ??? Are you serious?09:35
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Yarozedisasm: yes09:35
Yarozebetter to reinstall09:36
disasmYaroze: I have systems that I've been upgrading since debian potato in the late 90's ;-)09:36
Yarozedisasm: thats different :P09:36
mikepjOkay, this is just a spare test server I'm setting up, so it's not an upgrade from Feisty.  If I could just dist-upgrade packages, that would be pretty slick.09:36
mnkhello all - i have a problem with enabling desktop effects. before upgrading to gutsy i had beryl working fine so the hardware supports it. However, when i try to enable desktop effects now, i have no borders in my windows. it seems that there is no window manager enabled. could this be a previous config file or something? any help will be appreciated09:36
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RivaeAeryawill Gutsy have KDE 4?09:38
disasmmikepj: yeah, dist-upgrade works, a lot of the time you'll need to apt-get dist-upgrade; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade09:38
mikepjdisasm:  Ahh, ok thanks for the tip.  I'll have to write this down.09:38
disasmmikepj: what I want to know is how easy it will be to dist-upgrade between LTS releases without going through the stages ;-)09:39
mnkdoes anyone know what could have caused the problem?09:39
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Blackgotharr i hate webcams!09:39
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darkhackhello all09:40
mikepjYeah, I really have no idea how I'll update my current machines to the next LTS.  I really hate having an updated OS in production, so I might just have to start fresh for each one.  Luckily, most of them are VMs09:40
disasmRivaeAerya: it looks like itVersion: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu2609:41
disasmor does that mean 3 is the official version09:41
RivaeAeryadisasm: but KDE 4 will get released on 13 december or so... so how can it go into ubuntu on 18 october?09:41
disasmi don't know what the 4 means09:41
Blackgothsvn release :)09:41
RivaeAeryak09:41
disasmit won't then ;-)09:41
Blackgothand they will just update it09:41
RivaeAeryaBlackgoth: so Kubuntu Gutsy will have KDE 4?09:42
RivaeAerya!kde409:42
ubotuKDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php09:42
Blackgothmaybe09:42
disasmRivaeAerya: I think 3.5.7 is the KDE release09:42
mnkcould anyone help me?09:42
Blackgothi dislike kde anyway :P09:42
disasmfluxbox > *09:42
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darkhacknot easy choosing between dke and gnone huh09:43
disasmmnk: does glxgears work? If so, not much I can do, I avoid the glitsy features like the plague09:43
darkhackkde I meant09:43
Blackgothfluxbox is great on bsd, but hell on linux it just sucks!09:43
disasmdarkhack: well, I'd take gnome over kde, but fluxbox blows em' all away ;-)09:44
disasmBlackgoth: what sucks about it?09:44
RivaeAeryadisasm: why would you take gnome over kde?09:44
darkhackblackgoth, how do you describe your perfect linux distro?09:44
darkhacklol09:44
Blackgothdarkhack: cant :p09:44
disasmRivaeAerya: cause I like the interface better, all the apps I use are gtk based, etc...09:44
RivaeAeryadisasm: hmm k09:44
mnkdisasm: yeah glxgears works fine - as i said the hw supports it but for some reason when i try to enable desktop effects, all the borders for my windows disappear - ie there doesn't seem to be a window manager enabled or something.09:44
disasmand because I program gtk ;-)09:45
Blackgothand it's just a feel i have, fluxbox just works better on bsd09:45
darkhack<disasm>fluxbox need a bit more work09:45
darkhackfluxbox need a bit more work or programmer09:45
disasmwhat work does it need? right click menu, hotkeys, virtual desktops, shading, what more does anyone need in a window manager?09:45
darkhackmore apps09:46
disasmdarkhack: what do apps have to do with managing windows?09:47
disasmi haven't come across an app that doesn't work in fluxbox09:47
darkhackAnyway, its been awhile since I mess with fluxbox, so I wouldn't know any now09:47
darkhacklol09:47
darkhackstill, fluxbox is pretty sweet09:48
darkhackknow any distro that would make it as a default desktop09:49
mnkdoes compiz use emerald?09:49
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darkhackemerald is a themes manager but it does work with cpmpiz09:51
riotkittiefluxbuntu does09:51
disasmdarkhack: it's not a desktop, but fluxbuntu ;-)09:51
disasmoh, and insert.cd ;-)09:52
disasmand DSL09:52
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darkhackthanks for the info disasm09:52
mnkdarkhack: why would my borders just disappear? would that be to do with the window manager or what? ie when i enable desktop effects09:52
disasmyour welcome ;-)09:52
minimecmnk: You have to activate a plugin09:53
mnkmnk@mnk-desktop:/etc/gdm$ compiz --replace09:53
mnkChecking for Xgl: not present.09:53
mnkDetected PCI ID for VGA: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:0322 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )09:53
mnkChecking for texture_from_pixmap: present.09:53
mnkChecking for non power of two support: present.09:53
mnkChecking for Composite extension: present.09:53
mnkComparing resolution (1600x1200) to maximum 3D texture size (4096): Passed.09:53
mnkChecking for nVidia: present.09:53
mnkChecking for FBConfig: present.09:53
mnkChecking for Xgl: not present.09:53
mnkStarting emerald09:53
mnki have nvidia - do i have to use xgl? i don't get it09:53
hyljeyou dont09:53
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mnkhmm09:54
mnkso what do i use then?09:54
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minimecmnk: what default depth do you have in /etc/xorg.conf?09:56
carl0s-I'm testing the latest Gutsy beta on my Thinkpad T43p, and the screen is set to "Dim when idle", the only problem is that moving the mouse (i.e. becoming un-idle) doesn't undim the screen. I have to use the function keys on the laptop. Also, the brightness on-screen display slider bar doesn't move as it should. It just flickers and stays at the minimum, although it does actually alter the brightness. Are these known bugs?09:56
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mnkminimec: 2409:57
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minimecmnk: That's ok. And you did activate the decorations plugin in the compiz configuratioin?09:58
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enycwow! prevu looks like useful....  auto backporter system09:59
OpspinIs there an easy way to update a driver (wireless) to a never version without too much mucking about with terminal commands and kernel recompiling?09:59
enycOpspin: hrrm depends on how driver works i guess09:59
disasmOpspin: what driver are you trying to update?09:59
mnkminimec: no i didn't - how do i do that pls?10:00
enycOpspin: you should be able to build a newer_module against existing kernel, without recompiling the whole_kernel10:00
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mnkminimec: u see, i had beryl installed when i was running gutsy - i thought compiz fusion would come by default in gutsy - but not sure what to do to make it work10:00
minimecmnk: Compiz is installed by default and activated ba default if the card supports the opensource driver in 3d.10:01
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minimecmnk: The activation is don in the appearence settings of your Desktop Properties.10:02
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mnkminimec: something weird happened - i just typed in beryl in a term and the cube worked - i could rotate the cube. but again, all my windows had no borders10:03
CreationistHas anyone successfully installed Compiz Fusion into Kubuntu Gutsy yet?  I've installed the "compiz" package, but it doesn't include window decorations.10:03
minimecmnk: Why do you talk about beryl now. what do you talk about.10:04
mnkminimec: no i want compiz fusion installed - but i tried beryl to see what happened. i used to have beryl working fine before the upgrade.10:04
riotkittiewhats the benefit of fusion over compiz-unfusioned :P10:05
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riotkittieno wait, i dont want to know.10:05
mnkminimec: and since the cube worked with beryl - but no window borders - it seems like there is no window manager working or something?10:05
minimecmnk read my post above. If you are on gusty, compiz-fusion is installed.10:05
riotkittieit is compiz-fusion?! all this time, i was thinking that i had compiz :o10:05
AV1611greeting to all! did anybody experience some kind of unusual things at the shutdown process like an yellow screen (after you'll command it to "Reboot")?10:05
riotkittieif the window decs arent showing up, try sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager ... im not sure if thats the proper name, if not compiz<tab tab>10:06
riotkittieyou can enable the decoration plugin from that. maybe.10:07
mnkminimec: yes but how do i get it running?10:07
mnkminimec: when i enable desktop effects, the window borders all disappear10:07
riotkittieAV1611: i get a black and white stripey pattern when doing it from the GUI, and i think the CL as well but i'm not positive on that10:07
minimecmnk: read above.10:07
mnkminimec: i know gutsy comes with compiz fusion but i don't understand why the borders disappear10:08
riotkittiebut mine were showing up from the start, so i'm not sure if you have an underlying issue that alone wont fix10:08
minimecmnk: Install compizconfig-settings-manager and activate the decoration-plugin.10:08
mnkaah ok minimec10:08
mnkthanks sorry i didn;t get that msg b4 - i dcd minimec10:08
Creationisthehe... running compiz --replace sure replaces everything alright.  I've lost window decorations AND my panel ;)10:09
riotkittiei feel so naked without compiz now10:10
minimecCreationist: Install compizconfig-settings-manager and activate the decoration-plugin. For the borders...10:10
Creationistriotkittie: Me too....10:10
minimecCreationist: The panel came back when I clicked the pace, the panel was.10:10
riotkittieit always struck me as fairly useless, but perhaps i was just bitter as i could never get it working myself :P but it really makes things easier10:11
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Creationistminimec: Yeah, the Window Decorations plugin was already enabled.10:12
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mnkwoohooo10:14
mnkthanks minimec10:14
mnkit worked10:14
mnk:D10:14
Creationistmnk: You have Compiz working?10:14
mnkyeah Creationist10:14
Creationistmnk: How'd you do that?10:14
mnkjust unchecj10:14
mnkuncheck the decoration-plugin10:15
mnkand then close it10:15
mnkand then check it again10:15
minimecCreationist: is emerald installed?10:15
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Creationistminimec: Ah... nope.10:15
minimecCreationist: ;)10:16
CreationistAnd here I figured that would be included with Compiz (seeing how Compix REQUIRES it)10:16
minimecCreationist: It doesn't require it...10:16
minimecCreationist: You can use metacity deco...10:16
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LynoureCould someone with ati card but no fglrx currently try if #134476 happens to them too?10:19
cliechtii'm trying to restore my palm using the dialogs from the gpilot applet. it does something w/o error messages but is finshed after one second and nothing was installed on the device10:19
Lynourehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/134476 , I meant10:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134476 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Tribe 5: suspend hangs laptop" [High,Triaged] 10:20
Lynourecliechti: and there is something to restore? I remember it was very easy to accidentally sync an empty palm so that the application also ends up empty, but that was with jpilot10:21
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Al1iAnyone seen a problem with more than one scsi device on a bus not being seen by the kernel?10:22
cliechtiLynoure: the folder with the profile contains 335 files and i recognise the .prc/.pdb files i'd expect10:23
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Lynourecliechti: ok, that's good. I mostly use kpilot nowadays, so unfortunately I'm not much further help10:24
denndathere is no package in gutsy that contains emerald themes, is there?10:26
DoYouKnowemerald-themes in feisty10:27
DoYouKnowdoes that work?10:27
DoYouKnowtry sudo apt-get install emerald-themes10:27
cliechtiLynoure: is the profile folder kept on PC compatible? i can install kpilot10:27
denndaDoYouKnow: try it yourself. it fails10:27
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Lynourecliechti: unfortunately I don't know. But if you have a copy elsewhere, worth trying.10:28
cliechtii have a package managment i dont mind installing and removing ;-)10:28
DoYouKnowdennda, don't have gutsy... still trying to determine if its worth the install at this point10:29
cliechtiok it isn't as easy. installing a KDE app does not give anything that works. looking at the console it misses some dcop stuff so i'd need to install kde base manually10:30
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Lynourecliechti: probably not worth it then...10:32
barduckhi, is there a version of wubi for 7.10 ?10:32
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Lynourecliechti: there might be #gpilot ?10:32
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Bielekegood evening guys10:40
Bielekei have a problem with apache2 and php510:40
Bielekeseems my apache2 httpd.conf is empty ???10:40
Bielekeso the webserver won't load php files10:41
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sin1how do you change the avant window navigator stack icon?10:45
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zeeblehi. was trying to install msttcorefonts.. but doesnt work, because the fonts are apparently not on sf.net anymore. get a 403 error.. now each time i try to install any other package, apt waants to install msttcorefonts.. i tried removing it, and also using dpkg, but none works.10:47
cliechtiLynoure: nope there isnt on this server. silly enough i find documents that mention sync and the ability to restore but i do not find a single description on how restore actually works10:48
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aLeSDhi all10:48
cliechtizeeble: what do you mean by removong does not work. is there an error message?10:49
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zeebleyeah, wait10:49
aLeSDI'm tring to watch a dvd with the 7.10 but neither totem or vlc or mplayer can read it10:49
cliechtiBieleke: i think apache has now several conf files in a conf.d folder. and yes php seems to be a know issue, bet you find something in a good search engine10:49
lieterhi, i have an odd problem, my gdm background color is black, as is my background, desktopcube and skybox. but still when i log in i get the brownish window after login before the desktop appears, and i cant find out where that color is defined10:50
aLeSDthe vlc output is libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.10:50
aLeSDops10:50
cliechtiaLeSD: copy protected DVDs need a descrambler, legaly only in some countries...10:50
aLeSDwhich is the name of the decrypting library ?10:50
jussi01!dvd | aLeSD10:50
ubotuaLeSD: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs10:50
aLeSDthanks10:51
cliechtiah one that knows the factoids :-)10:51
nnonixAnyone here notice slightly distorted playback in Rhythmbox?10:51
zeeblecliechti: see, either i try to do apt-get remove msttcorefonts, or dpkg --purge msttcorefonts, then it tries remove, but it exits with an error that says error in pre removal script -110:51
zeebleand then it tries to get the files from sf.net10:51
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aLeSDjussi01 cliechti : thanks10:54
jussi01:)10:55
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cliechtizeeble: hm i dont have a correct solution for this. i'd probably edit that failing script putting an "exit" on the second line (as you're going to remove that package anyway)10:56
zeeblehow do i find which script it is calling? :) it never says which file10:57
cliechtidoesnt dpkg have some debug/verbose option?10:57
zeeblelet me try that10:58
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cliechtitry -D 2 as option to dpkg10:58
zeebleok10:58
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bernierHi, how can I , one day, get unbanned from #ubuntu?11:12
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crdlbbernier, #ubuntu-ops11:16
wabiDbomb beta is only a 70mb upgrade for me today11:16
wabiDdid having to click the desktop on boot, get fixed by its release11:17
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BockBilbohello11:23
BockBilboany of you using amarok in gnome?11:23
dug_Anyone using truecrypt in gutsy?  I get 'fatal: module truecrypt not found. Failed to load TrueCrypt kernel module'11:23
BockBilbowell, it might be independent from the window manager, but it seens that the album art image isnt working11:24
jmgdug_: I am, works for me11:24
CreationistCouple of issues - 1) When running Compiz and starting Konversation, the "Server List" window pops up, but it is empty and will not let me close it.  2) Compiz is only showing that I have 2 desktops so I get only a single page when "rotating the cube" ... 2 sides, not 4.11:24
dug_maybe i should uninstall and reinstall or something11:24
BockBilbowhen amarok discovers a new music album on my music directory, it gets the image from the mp3 file tags, but the image isnt showed right11:24
BockBilboanyone has the same problem?11:24
Creationistdug_: That's usually the first step to take.  If a simple reinstall doesn't work, then remove the program with the --purge option.11:24
wabiDwhere is the default splash screen11:25
bernierCreationist: for the cube, go in general options, desktop size, and change horizontal desktop size to 411:25
bernierall this in compizConfig settings manager11:25
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Creationistbernier: That's how I remember it in Feisty too... but with Gutsy, there is no Desktop Size options.11:26
dug_well i uninstalled truecrypt and now I don't see it listed in synaptic package manager anymore to reinstall11:26
wabiDits under compiz options11:26
CreationistwabiD: Ahh... found it.  Thanks ;)11:27
wabiDi think it might be in more than one place though11:27
wabiDi know one is general > dekstop size11:27
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wabiDyea that worked now i have 311:27
CreationistOoh... I like the triangle ;)11:27
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wabiDi dont really like cube, wall seems very efficient11:28
panosruhi! i try to play a dvd but mplayer comes with error message says that missing libdvdcss but there is nothing like that in synaptic, in #ubuntu they told to check these links: 1) https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html 2) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages do i have to do something else because i'm on gutsy?11:28
erichjwabiD, i agree with you11:28
MegaqwertyDoes anyone know if Gutsy works on a Macbook out of the box?11:28
erichj!dvd | panosru11:29
ubotupanosru: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs11:29
panosruoh ok so i will follow the same links #ubuntu gave me nothing changes on gutsy right?11:29
erichjjust the repository11:29
wabiDits kinda weird that there is desktop plane, and desktop wall, they do the same thing11:29
panosruerichj, the repo is for feisty... its ok?11:30
erichjchange the feisty part to gutsy11:30
panosruok :D11:30
panosruthanks11:30
erichjseveas has a gutsy rep, don't know if everyone knows that though11:30
panosruthe gpg parts remain the same?11:31
erichjyeah11:31
panosrucool11:31
panosruthanks mate11:31
CreationistNow, with Compiz running, how do I make my taskbar only show applications on the current desktop?  the Panel options don't seem to make any difference.11:31
erichjwelcome11:31
wabiDid assume under cube settings11:32
CreationistwabiD: Yeah, I don't see it anywhere11:32
wabiDme either, sorry i stick to desktop wall11:32
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panosruerichj, i get the error: http://mirror3.ubuntu.com/dists/gutsy-seveas/Release.gpg: Could not resolve 'mirror3.ubuntu.com'11:34
LjLthat's because it doesn't quite exist11:34
LjL!seveas11:34
ubotuSeveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!11:35
LjLhm11:35
LjLpanosru: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/ this one for instance works11:35
panosrui just want to watch dvd :P lol11:36
kyjahey !!11:36
kyjawhere are the bunnies?11:36
LjLpanosru: and i'm saying that mirror is down...11:36
Megaqwertypanosru: http://ubuntuguide.org11:36
Megaqwertypanosru: they give copy-paste guide on enabling encrypted DVD playback11:37
LjLpanosru: i'm not sure seveas has a Gutsy repo yet. can't find a mirror (even the ones that are up) that have it...11:37
panosru# 1.7.4.2 How to install DVD playback capability this?11:37
Megaqwertyyep11:37
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garuhi everyone11:38
garucan someone tell me how do I install the compiz fusion configuration manager in gutsy gibbon beta?I'm on a live dvd.11:39
kyjathats disipointing :( not one bunny11:39
Megaqwertykyja: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4350/rabbitpancakedf6.jpg11:40
kyja:) that makes my day.11:41
bernierHi, when I log in ubuntu, my internet is often very slow until it fixes itself or I unplug, replug my modem anoyone knows why?11:41
Megaqwertykyja: you're welcome :)11:41
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bram_hello11:41
bram_ still no luck: i am running Gutsy Gibbon, but don't know where to add more desktops..(I have 2 now)11:42
berniergaru: sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager11:42
bernierI believe11:42
Megaqwertybram_: more cube desktops, or like...regular desktops?11:42
kyjaI vote that one of the future code names be bionic bunny11:42
bernierbram_ you havecompiz compizconfig-settings-manager installed?11:42
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dug_how do you enable desktop effects in gutsy now that the control panel is gone?11:42
garubernier humn...that command would also try to install compiz...in gutsy, it should be installed by default, the only thing that can be installed in fusion, is the configuration manager!11:43
bram_regular desktops,  there is 2 now, i have ccsm installed( can't find it there?)11:43
bram_a pathetic cube now  ;)11:43
panosruthanks! works! :D11:43
Megaqwertybram_: It's in General Options11:43
berniergaru: yeah sorry my mistake11:43
berniergaru: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager11:43
Megaqwertybram_: under Horizontal virtual size11:43
garubernier i'v tried that, it's giving me a weird error11:44
Megaqwertybram_: (which is in the "Desktop Size" tab)11:44
bernierpastebin them to me11:44
bram_ok.., hold on( would i be that stupid?)11:44
bram_I AM that stupid, thanks a bunch!11:45
bernierloll11:45
bernieryou had update manager open?11:45
garuhumn...bernier nah...not a problem...sorted out11:45
garubernier thanks anywayz...11:45
dug_how do you enable desktop effects in gutsy now that the control panel is gone?11:45
garuhas anyone had any problems with the beta version?11:45
berniergaru, not me and i've been using it since the beginning11:46
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garubernier humn...i'v been away from it for quite a while.lol...been using some other distros, sabayon and pclinuxos, was just waiting for the gutsy release :)11:47
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berniergaru: same for me, i'm back from PCBSD :P11:47
garudug_ go to systems -> prefferences -> Appearance.There u should be a tab for the desktop effects11:47
garubernier I like sabayon because of the challenge.lol...but, been using pclinux and ubuntu as well11:48
CreationistAnyone know how I can install a printer that was listed in Feisty but NOT in Gutsy?11:49
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erichjI updated the wiki page I maintain for the acer 5610z to account for Gutsy. If anyone is interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5610z11:53
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MegaqwertyDoes anyone know if Gutsy works on a Macbook out of the box?11:54
ArtimusWhat's the command to update to Gutsy from Feisty?  update-manager -d says "Not all updates can be installed"11:54
erichjdon't think you can do a dist-upgrade yet11:55
ArtimusI've been told not to do a dist-upgrade.  What am I supposed to do?11:55
erichjdownload beta iso, burn, install11:55
Artimus...11:56
erichjor wait the 15 days for final release and then do the dist-upgrade11:56
VegarHow can I modify NetworkManager's preferred networks list?11:56
Artimuserichj: I'm willing to try it.  I need to switch back to 64-bit anyway...11:56
Artimus(forcing update manager to try it, not the beta cd)11:56
CreationistNow, with Compiz running, how do I make my taskbar only show applications on the current desktop?  the Panel options don't seem to make any difference.11:58
erichjyou are going to fark your install trying to force an upgrade.11:58
Artimuserichj: I'm willing to try it.  I'm reinstalling anyway.11:58
erichjright now i think the only way to do it though is to change all your reps from feisty to gutsy11:58
ArtimusDid that...11:58
CreationistArtimus: It's a waste of time to try it - screwing up your system is guaranteed....11:59
ArtimusScrew it, GUI updates scare me.  I'll take my chances with dist-upgrade.11:59
erichjsudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:59
CreationistArtimus: If you're reinstalling anyway, just do a fresh one.11:59
erichjlisten to Creationist11:59
Creationist...or you'll end up doing it twice.11:59
ArtimusCreationist: I did it before with dist-upgrade.  Only had issues with bluetooth.11:59
CreationistArtimus: That wasn't Gutsy, though ;)11:59
ArtimusYes, it was11:59
ArtimusFeisty->Gutsy a week and a half ago12:00
Creationistahh... so you've done it before, yet you came to ask how to do it?12:00
CreationistOkay.... well, best of luck to you then :)12:00
ArtimusSomeone told me there was a "nicer" way to do it with Update Manager12:00
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erichjyeah, there will be for final12:00
Artimusahh, got ya.12:00
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CreationistNicer than "only had issues with bluetooth?" lol12:00
erichjheh12:01
ArtimusI only had to remove one package by hand...12:01
CreationistIf it ain't broke, don't fix it.  If it worked for you one way, do it that way again.  That's my advice.12:01
ArtimusNevermind, it will take me two hours to download the updates.  I can get the CD in that time.12:01
erichji don't take chances anyway. i backup everything, then wipe it and do a clean install. no sense in running the risk of having to install twice12:02
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IndyGunFreakwhy will it take you 2hrs to et the cd?... dial up?12:02
Creationisterichj: Not only that, but like Artimus said, it would take twice as long to do an upgrade than to simply spend the half hour to do a fresh install.12:02
Artimuserichj: Backup what?  My data has its own partitions.  Important stuff is mirrored.12:03
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ArtimusIndyGunFreak: Sorry, less than two hours.  The idea being, mirror is sort of slow, Torrent is quite fast.12:03
CreationistArtimus: Then what's the problem with doing a fresh install?  I'm so confused... you don't seem to have any reason to want to do an upgrade.  It's dangerous, it takes a lot longer, and well, it's dangerous. :)12:03
IndyGunFreakArtimus: thats what i was thinking, the torrents are generally pretty fast for me.. around 5-600k, which maxes out my connection12:04
ArtimusCreationist: Let me try again.  "I forgot my box is 32-bit, I want 64-bit.  I was going to just upgrade to Feisty, but I realized that I'm going to have to boot an installer CD to install 64-bit Ubuntu anyway.  I forgot the whole 32bit part"12:04
CreationistI remember when I first started with Linux a year ago, I never created a separate /home partition... man, I reinstalled about 30 times too (literally).12:04
darkhackhas the dup desktop and documents folder on the places menu fix12:04
ArtimusMy /home is mirrored over two drives every night...12:05
CreationistArtimus: If you have a 32-bit system, why would you try to install a 64-bit OS?12:05
ArtimusCreationist: 32-bit OS, 64-bit box.12:05
CreationistArtimus: Ah... you said you box was 32-bit ;)12:05
erichji back everything up to network drives. i only have to backup things that haven't been on my computer for more than 5 hours12:05
ArtimusI had this Ubuntu install running in VMware for a while (using direct disk access)12:05
darkhack<  first linux I tried was 19995 or so with red hat12:06
darkhackboy, that was a pain12:06
darkhacklol12:06
IndyGunFreakis 64bit Gutsy going to overcome some of hte issues 64bit Feisty had?12:06
IndyGunFreaklike browser plugins, etc?12:06
ArtimusI'd be happy if I could have flash working in Gutsy.12:07
Artimus64-bit Gutsy12:07
IndyGunFreak!flash6412:07
ubotuYou can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava12:07
ArtimusIt works great in 32-bit Feisty.  Konqueror+NSPluginwrapper+Flash means no sound...12:07
CreationistI think the very first time I tried Linux was in 1997-98... and I chose Gentoo because the logo looked friendly ;)  Yeah, didn't go back to Linux until Daper.12:07
CreationistDapper*12:07
Artimus(in 64-bit)12:07
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IndyGunFreaki've never done it, but i always figured its kinda silly to have a 64bit OS, if you're gonna jump through the hoops to make 32bit things work.. so i just stick with 32.12:08
rjekI don't jump through hoops, and I appreciate the performance benefits of using AMD64.12:09
ArtimusI hate 386 packages...  I'm guessing the -march settings for 64-bit packages make more of a difference than 64-bit...12:09
IndyGunFreakrjek: i didn't really see much difference, other than things that didn't work.12:09
ArtimusPlease tell me there's some sort of -march set for Ubuntu packages in x86_64...12:09
darkhack<  windows is such a pain in tha a$$12:09
rjekCreationist: Interesting.  Gentoo wasn't around in 1998.12:10
habtoolHi There, is tracker search enabled by default in Nautilus for gutsy (for tagging etc. )12:10
rjek(Version 1.0 was 2002, what Gentoo developed from (Enouch or something) was very early 2000.12:10
darkhackrjek gotta point12:11
darkhackI don't remember gentoo in 97 or 9812:11
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ArtimusCome on little torrent...  Keep going faster12:12
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ArtimusShould have known Kubuntu Gutsy wouldn't be as fast (download wise)12:13
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dougbare the servers unavailable for updating?12:21
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Vegarno, I just upgraded12:22
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dougbhmm12:23
dougbits not working for me12:23
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tapasi wonder: does the -rt kernel not have nvidia modules available?12:28
tapas[as restricted module] 12:29
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