=== AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai_ is now known as rikai === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:10] iostat 1 > log [01:10] gah [01:11] sorry about that. i was gonna get some logs while my box was terribly lagging and got the wrong window on accident === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:23] #133636 [01:24] bug 133636 [01:24] Launchpad bug 133636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] hdaps module does not load on Thinkpad T61P" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133636 [01:25] It is the one you already fixed but I think some other models were mentioned in later comments [01:26] *sigh* they should have opened other bug reports === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:26] heh [01:26] If only === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:31] bug #133636 === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:31] Launchpad bug 133636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] hdaps module does not load on Thinkpad T61P" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133636 === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cofeineSunshine_ [n=justinas@78-60-112-31.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:44] c [01:44] ugh === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-119-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cofeineSunshine_ [n=justinas@78-60-112-31.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === osmosis [n=steven@63.139.86.3] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/147014 [01:58] Launchpad bug 147014 in linux-meta "linux-image-xen on amd64 not detected by update-grub." [Undecided,New] === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a559:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-181.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-181.200.popsite.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Jupiter] === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kkubasik [n=kkubasik@pool-71-178-249-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving."] [03:11] zul: I don't see the R41 listed in the Gutsy git tree for hdaps === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [03:19] damnt i could have sworn I seen it [03:19] I did look before I mentioned it. ;) [03:21] which bug report is that? === laga [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [03:23] bug 145877 [03:23] Launchpad bug 145877 in linux-source-2.6.22 "hdaps doesn't work on Thinkpad R61" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145877 === blenderhead001 [n=blenderh@adsl-070-145-184-070.sip.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:23] R41? I'm not convinced there was one. [03:24] bdmurray, that was for an r61 [03:25] right, so my first statement should have been R61 [03:25] yeah my bad [03:25] and now I'm wrong [03:26] i changed the status [03:26] ../patches/0004-UBUNTU-hdaps-Add-support-for-Thinkpad-R61.patc [03:26] Hrm, I do see R61 in the git tree [03:26] hasnt been added yet.. [03:26] ill be sending the patches tonight before I got to bed ;) [03:27] Okay, but I really see R61 at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=blob;h=bf21111a81f6756b95fdbd115d797980284c6ce7;hb=d05017ef5f9dabd13f0bba3df74b9d8832d7e40f;f=drivers/hwmon/hdaps.c [03:30] meh.. === RobertStuffers [n=foo@a213-22-5-40.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdomsch [n=mdomsch@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mike__ [n=mike@66.225.16.115] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF1FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:17] there can be only one kernal ! === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF07AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.210.131] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-kernel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | Latest kernel upload: 2.6.22-12.39 | Latest news: -Beta freeze upon us | New Kernel Team machine: http://kernel.ubuntu.com === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by BenC at Sun Sep 23 17:11:47 2007 === m0rg0th [n=m0rg0th@74.125.63.33] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === l_ [n=l_@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Abo-Marwan14 [i=sus@gateway/tor/x-ea97e7f156263c7c] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cofeineSunshine_ [n=justinas@78-60-112-31.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cofeineSunshine_ [n=justinas@78-60-112-31.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Krystof [i=csr21@power.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdomsch [n=mdomsch@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gicmo [n=gicmo@91.64.103.36] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === m0rg0th [n=m0rg0th@219.64.120.181] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === osmosis [n=steven@63.139.86.3] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:56] hi [06:09] cool man, well let me know if there is anything I can do. Im willing do learn stuff if needed. [06:09] the xen kernel on gutsy amd64 isnt recognized as a valid kernel by grub. [06:12] osmosis: zul is the xen master. [06:12] rtg__: im talking to him about it already ;) [06:13] rtg__: yah, but he says "that grub error has to do with the meta package which something i dont have control over" [06:14] actually its probably update-grub that is erroring out [06:14] zul: true, but even when I manually put the kernel into grub... thats when I get the error 13 on boot...invalid executable. [06:14] zul: update-grub just doesnt put it in the menu.lst, probably can tell its not valid. [06:14] ok intresting [06:17] rtg__: Should I bring any last minute kernel bugs to your attention? [06:17] only if I know how to fix 'em :) [06:18] That's all of them right? [06:18] hehe [06:23] bug 147858 [06:23] Launchpad bug 147858 in linux-source-2.6.22 "western digital WD800ADFS ncq problems" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147858 [06:25] bdmurray: its too late to be mucking around in core disk stuff. Remember the lib-pata snafu? [06:26] rtg__: that should be just blacklisting the drive [06:26] I read that as just black listing a drive? [06:27] you are right. Can someone develop a patch? [06:27] bdmurray: assign me the bug ill send a patch tonight [06:28] done [06:28] thanks === bullgard4 [n=detlef@dhcp118.vr.in-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:09] rtg__: do you want me to send the patch to the kernel-team ml? === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdomsch [n=Matt_Dom@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:19] Not sure how much it will help, but I just ran into another unionfs bug: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/unionfs-oct1-syslog [07:52] evand: we're in the process of fixing that problem, but thanks [07:53] anytime, thanks for looking into it [07:57] zul: I see that you have. [07:57] BenC: I've had a persistent fan problem with Gutsy (Bug #127772). Are we past the point where fixes for problems like this will be considered? [07:57] Launchpad bug 127772 in linux-source-2.6.22 "CPU fan no longer runs after upgrade to Gutsy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127772 [07:58] ScottK: is there a fix? [07:59] BenC: Not that I know of. I'm a user as far as the kernel goes. [07:59] ScottK: then we can't put a fix in yet :) [08:00] BenC: Of course. But if we're past the point where a fix could go in, then I'll stop trolling for a kernel hacker to help me figure it out. [08:00] ScottK: it's possible, but all depends on timing and severity [08:00] BenC: Thanks. [08:06] I suspect that the problem centers around /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/cooling_mode changing from "cooling mode: active" to "0 - Active; 1 - Passive" from Feisty to Gutsy, but I have no idea where to look for how that got changed or where to change it back. Hints from anyone would be appreciated. [08:09] ScottK: mjg59 is our ACPI expert. perhaps he has some ideas. [08:09] rtg__: Thanks. === ScottK waits and hopes for enlightenment from mjg59. [08:10] The only thing influencing fan control is the kernel === ScottK looks back at rtg__ ... === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.222.216] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lutin [n=Lutin@dunnewind.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:54] hi there === Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === bullgard4 [n=detlef@dhcp118.vr.in-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.201.47] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:58] any chance that someone take a look at bug #129910 ? [09:58] Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6] are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910 === Al1i [n=saidi@zeep.eecs.umich.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:21] /join ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@84.191.13.201] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:48] rtg__: What does it mean if someone has to boot with all_generic_ide ? === jweyrich [n=phoenix@144022.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.222.161] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:32] Is there something speaking against a SLAB kernel flavour apart from the fact that it may be too late? [11:39] pkern: buggy? [11:43] amitk: A proven allocator is buggy? Fun. [11:44] Seriously. fglrx is suggested on laptops but breaks on suspend. "We depend on ATI." is IMHO not that valid as it's a regression over Feisty. [11:44] People start to build their own kernels because of this which is at least annoying. [11:47] pkern: I have a laptop where I've blacklisted fglrx so that I can have suspend [11:47] pkern: http://lwn.net/Articles/229984/ [11:47] amitk: I read LWN, kthx [11:48] lamont: Possible solution as I currently don't need working 3D acceleration. But then there are users which depend on it (for whatever reason). [11:49] amitk: I don't say "let's switch back" but "provide a new flavour and document it properly". [11:49] ah, then in that case, you get to choose whether you want 3D or suspend [11:49] Maybe I should add a "anymore" here. [11:49] until such time as we get a working fglrx driver binary blob. go closed source! [11:50] what would the flavor do differently? [11:50] There will be free drivers. Maybe for Hardy. [11:50] provide a new flavour? [11:50] lamont: Use SLAB instead of SLUB. [11:50] you mean provide 4 new flavours. [11:50] ah, that. [11:50] lamont: The driver works fine with 2.6.22, but with SLAB instead of SLUB. [11:51] I see. [11:51] pkern: considering that kernel freeze is tomorrow, this discussion is moot [11:51] amitk: It's not that I haven't spoke up earlier. [11:52] lamont: fglrx is even suggested by a nice shiny popup for `more performance' or whatever it states. [11:52] mk [11:52] lamont: That's one of the key critisism I have here. But if X works properly with fglrx kernel module blacklisted... [11:53] Point is that at least my card is not supported by the free drivers. [11:53] (For Gutsy that is.) [11:53] pkern: works for me... [11:53] lamont: Ok. [11:53] so what's the problem? does it panic? [11:53] of course, I also turn of compiz because I have better things for it to do. [11:53] kylem: Suspend hangs with a blinking cursor. [11:54] kylem: fails to suspend [11:54] lamont: Compiz does not work for fglrx out of the box. [11:54] and then you reboot [11:54] pkern: I'm fine with that. :-) [11:54] if that's the best you can do for debugging information, then i'm afraid i'm just going to point and laugh. [11:54] lamont: Me too. [11:54] Bah. Please. [11:55] kylem: when I was troubleshooting why suspend didn't work with mjg59, we got to the point where he learned that fglrx was loaded and he said "don't do that. kthxbye" [11:55] so that was where I stopped [11:55] Kernel devs also responded that SLUB is correct and they won't support it. [11:55] It's ATI's fault and we know that, but this is not the point here. [11:55] the only issue i know of with slub, is that it warns if you double free a pointer. [11:56] kylem: and that ati calls it wrong, apparenlty. [11:56] for some value of "wrong" [11:56] well, comment out that check, and if it works, and you can tell me in the next 30 minutes, maybe i'll consider it. === lamont is frying other fish, lets pkern go for it if he wants [11:58] sorry, it warns on 0-sized allocations, not double free. [11:59] When it only warns that should not pose a problem? [12:00] you'd think. [12:01] I think the problem are some weird semantics ATI relies on, but I am currently looking for the part to comment out. [12:01] well, if they do broken things like that with the allocator, then it's clearly a derived work. [12:01] ;-) [12:03] The point is that I don't know how to debug it. The display goes black. [12:03] i.e. even debug output would not help [12:03] And I don't see a printk for a zero-length alloc. [12:03] Hm, object_err... [12:04] maybe they removed it. [12:05] There are things like Alignment padding checks and something about "red zones". [12:06] It's just a pity when you know that with SLAB it works fine. [12:07] Sounds like SLUB works fine [12:07] It's the thing we don't have the source to that isn't [12:07] well, i'm not the only ubuntu kernel person, but it sure won't be me who reverts to slab. [12:08] mjg59: If you tell me that there is a free driver for X1400 in Gutsy I will gladly move to that one instead. [12:09] I thought we'd established you don't need to use the kernel module? [12:09] mjg59: Still doesn't solve the source problem, but ok. ;) [12:10] It means that you don't have kernel problems caused by the thing we can't debug, so... [12:14] Ok, it worked now but it showed a "your computer failed to suspend" bubble afterwards. [12:14] But nevermind that \: === lamont sometimes gets those bubbles too [12:17] btw, is there any 'how to debug suspend' failures (where by 'debug' I mean provide enough info for someone else to debug) page somewhere? [12:18] my laptop only suspends on AC, breaks on battery [12:19] Basically, no [12:19] mjg59: ok, so when are you next visiting millbank? :-P [12:19] Not in the near future [12:19] You going to be in Boston? [12:19] yeah [12:20] Yeah, so only three and a half weeks away [12:20] That's kind of weird, though [12:20] I can't think of any obvious reasons for that [12:24] elmo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend That's the best we have [12:24] I much prefer the implicit howto: 1) take laptop to mjg59. 2) procure beverages 3) profit. [12:26] hmm.. new marketing slogan for Ubuntu - "Ships with mjg59" (TM) === ivoks [n=ivoks@21-93.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:27] mjg59: Ok, I got your point wrt debugging looking at that page. [12:36] Could somebody look at 129910?