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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | New Packages Freeze in effect
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norsettomorning all10:44
sorenpkern: For one thing, the amount of places you need to change stuff to add an extra configuration option is positively *insane*.10:46
pkernMoin siretart.10:47
pkernsoren: Looking at a loop, thinking "wow, this leaks" isn't fun. \:10:48
siretartpkern: I'm currently on low bandwith, so I cannot really testbuild nor upload big packages like gnucash ATM. If you have a bit time, you could review my merge in the hbci branch and upload it to our PPA10:48
pkernsiretart: Aye, will do later.10:49
pkernCurrently on high bandwidth, but I should go studying a bit. But when I get demotivated again I'll do it.10:49
siretartpkern: oh, I didn't want to distract yourself from your exam :)10:50
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pkernsiretart: ;)10:51
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Hobbseehi norsetto10:51
norsettoHobbsee: hey10:51
sladenlamont: (sorry, at a conference) back to the clock issue.10:56
sladenlamont: even when the time on the clock is wrong, it's never more than 24hours out, and only in an integer number of hours, and not generally minutes (other than general clock drift)10:57
norsettoThis is interesting, I used to be able to edit pages on https://help.ubuntu.com/ and now I'm not anymore.10:57
sladenlamont: so the possible "future" values of the value of  ~ +1,+2,+3,+4,+5...+13 hours10:58
sladenlamont: and those are the 13 possible values that will cause the premature fsck10:58
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huats'ning norsetto11:04
norsettohuats: 'ning11:05
huatsnorsetto:  :-)11:06
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norsettohuats: I just got an invitation to a signature session with Regis Loisel. You know him?11:08
huatsnorsetto: no11:08
huatsnorsetto: oh yes11:08
huatsnorsetto: I have heard about him11:08
norsettohuats: ok, so you are not a bd fan11:09
huatsnorsetto: but I am not a big fan of bd11:09
huatsnorsetto: but as far as I know he is a very talented man11:09
norsettohuats: I'm glad you are looking at all bugs, if I see yet another .desktop bug I think I'm going to explode11:11
huatsnorsetto: unfortunatly I am not looking at all bugs...11:12
norsettohuats: NO! Not another one!!11:12
huatsnorsetto: but if you seen another .desktop just let me know, I'll try to take care of it... I don't want you to explode11:13
norsettohuats: yeah, its going to take a while to clean that up11:13
huatsnorsetto: I am afraid too11:15
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norsettoKopfgeldjaeger: what do you mean by your last comment on avidemux? That you remove the package or just the last upload?11:21
norsettoKopfgeldjaeger: what do you mean by your last comment on avidemux? That you remove the package or just the last upload?11:24
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lucassoren: -T sets tags, not usertags11:42
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sorenlucas: I see. Well, fix reportbug then. :)11:46
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norsettoany revu admin around?01:21
bluekujanorsetto: need a resync?01:26
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norsettobluekuja: hey, no, just wanted to check if I have ssh access enabled01:26
bluekujanorsetto: oh ok then01:27
bluekujayou may need siretart then01:27
norsettobluekuja: yeah, thx01:27
norsettobluekuja: actually, you do have ssh access already?01:28
bluekujanorsetto: yep01:28
bluekujanorsetto: is your account active'01:28
bluekujae.g created01:28
norsettobluekuja: can you run some revu-report for me?01:29
bluekujanorsetto: yeah, let me log in01:29
norsettobluekuja: is it a different one form the use I use to dput/review?01:29
bluekujanorsetto: I dont get what you mean01:30
norsettobluekuja: I mean, its just one account right?01:31
ScottKsiretart: Why did you put gnucash in bzr?01:31
norsettomorning scottk01:31
ScottKsiretart: Unless I absolutely can't avoid it, I don't use bzr.01:31
ScottKmorning norsetto01:31
bluekujanorsetto: if you are talking about sparky, yes01:31
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norsettobluekuja: yep01:32
bluekujanorsetto: for sparky you need siretart to create an account for you01:32
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norsettobluekuja: did you have to ask for something special to have ssh enabled? becuase I have an account already01:32
bluekujanorsetto: nope, I was able to login with ssh right after having my account enabled01:33
bluekujaon the system01:33
norsettobluekuja: hmmmm, there must be some problem on my side then01:33
bluekujanorsetto: which message do you get?01:33
norsettobluekuja: Permission denied (publickey).01:33
bluekujanorsetto: strange, is your key on LP?01:34
norsettobluekuja: yes, I can dput and login through the web interface with no problem01:34
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bluekujanorsetto: which web interface?01:35
norsettobluekuja: what command are you using to login?01:35
bluekujanorsetto: revu?01:35
bluekujanorsetto: maybe you enter a bad login name01:36
norsettobluekuja: the usual, what is it revu.tauware.de01:36
bluekujanorsetto: ssh -l login-name host01:36
bluekujahost is sparky.ubuntuwire.com01:36
norsettobluekuja: ok, let me try that01:37
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bluekujanorsetto: the host you was trying to use it's wrong, that's why^^01:37
norsettobluekuja: same problem01:37
norsettobluekuja: some IP too .....01:38
siretartScottK: because its easier for me to maintain the -hbci branch this way01:38
ScottKsiretart: What's the -hbci branch?01:38
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bluekujasiretart: can you investigate norsetto's account on sparky?01:39
siretartScottK: see http://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive01:39
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norsettosiretart: sorry to bother, just I'm getting a Permission denied (publickey) if I try to ssh to revu01:39
pkernsiretart: See Jabber.01:40
bluekujanorsetto: call it sparky, revu is just hosted there01:40
siretartsiretart@sparky:~$ id norsetto01:40
siretartid: norsetto: No such user01:40
ScottKsiretart: It doesn't say what hbci is?01:40
pkernsiretart: Currently testbuilding gnucash. Hm, just finished.01:41
pkernsiretart: Should I upload it or do you have other changes to integrate?01:41
siretartpkern: please upload01:41
pkernsiretart: (quilt was not properly activated)01:41
pkernsiretart: That's not the HBCI branch.01:41
pkernScottK: German homebanking standard.01:41
siretartScottK: banks usually offer their customers online access to their accounts via hbci01:41
ScottKI see.01:41
ScottKThat makes sense.01:42
ScottKIs there a reason that can't be integrated into Ubuntu's Gnucash?01:42
pkernScottK: OpenSSL linking01:42
pkernsiretart: Hm, dch fails on that branch because the packaging is not in debian/01:42
ScottKIt's not clear to me how that's allowed in a PPA, but not in the regular archive?01:42
pkernScottK: It's not clear to me neither.01:43
siretartpkern: apt-get install bzr-builddeb && bzr bd -S01:43
pkernsiretart: Yep but it's about updating the changelog.01:43
pkernOur existing toolchain helps on such issues.01:43
siretartpkern: 3 solutions:01:43
pkernName it `debian'?01:44
siretarta) ln -s . debian, b) dch -i -c changelog, c) use emacs01:44
siretartI choose c) :)01:44
pkernI go for b), even if zsh completion breaks.01:44
siretartyes, I used to go with a), but I've settled on b) for now01:45
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norsettosiretart: ok, so what should I do? My usual login is cesare.tirabassi@gmail.com01:48
pkernsiretart: uploaded. How to merge the ubuntu branch into ubuntu.hbci?01:49
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pkernsiretart: Done, now testbuilding.01:54
bluefoxicydoes anyone know when the gutsy partners distro goes live01:54
bluefoxicyerr. repo01:54
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bluefoxicyhrm, all it has is opera... but I want vmware server01:58
sladenbluefoxicy: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/01:59
sladenI want a Pony!01:59
bluefoxicyhrm, pony?02:00
bluefoxicyI knew open source developers were into some strange stuff but...02:00
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siretartpkern: err, bzr merge <urltoubuntubranch>?02:01
siretartnorsetto: looking into it02:01
pkernsiretart: Yep got that. ;)02:01
siretartnorsetto: what do you need the account on sparky for?02:01
ScottKStevenK: I was curious if you had any more specific suggestions on the razor bug?02:03
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StevenKNo, none02:03
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ScottKStevenK: OK.  Thanks for looking.02:06
StevenKScottK: Sorry, I'm just trying to do (and keep track of) too many things at once.02:06
ScottKI understand.02:06
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fernandomoin all02:17
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norsettosiretart: sorry, was having lunch02:32
norsettosiretart: just to run revu-report, even though this might not be possible anymore on sparky?02:33
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siretartnorsetto: you should be able to login now02:46
siretartnorsetto: revu-report? what's that? ;)02:46
Fujitsusiretart: pitti's cryptsetup patch (or at least your upload) makes my laptop boot, thanks!02:49
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norsettosiretart: thx :-)02:50
siretartFujitsu: yay. so the merge works! thanks for the feedback!02:51
siretartFujitsu: wie now even have a working partman-crypto-auto now on the alternate installer, so we have now lvm on crypted PVs working out-of-the-box now :)02:52
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norsettosiretart: sorry, still can't get in .....02:58
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asisakHey MOTUs03:00
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asisakCan some MOTU UVF ack my Tor update besides ScottK?03:00
sorenlink, plesae.03:01
sorenplease, even.03:01
asisaksoren: bug 13703203:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137032 in tor "[UVFe]  please update tor from debian sid" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13703203:01
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sorenWhat was the outcome of the discussion on the mailing lists?03:02
sorenDidn't we decide to remove it unless someone stepped up to that plate and promised to maintain it forever and ever?03:02
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asisakYep. I want to promise to maintain it in Gutsy.03:04
asisakAnd eventually in Hardy.03:04
asisakMaybe in Feisty as well.03:04
jdongclamav suffers similar fate03:04
asisakMaybe we also have to update it in dapper till Hardy gets out.03:04
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lamontit would appear (from 3 seconds of research) that amd64 is going to require 20070826-1, which is later than what gutsy has.03:09
norsettoasisak: hi there03:10
asisakhey norsetto03:10
lamontso... do we want a new version of mlton available in gutsy on amd64, hppa, ppc, sparc (as well as i386), or do we want the current version on hppa, ppc, sparc, and amd64 in hardy?03:10
lamontScottK: ??03:10
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siretartOct  3 16:08:48 sparky sshd[27585] : Invalid user cesare.tirabassi@gmail.com from
siretartnorsetto: no, just use your launchpad id, not your email as username03:12
Hobbseelamont: how big are the changes?03:12
Hobbseelamont: and does it break anything else?03:12
lamontHobbsee: I'm struggling to care enough to look....  bootstrapping things doesn't exactly provide me with lots of fun and joy....03:12
lamonthence the "who was it who cared about mlton?" question03:13
Hobbseei doubt anyone cares about it, if it's that old03:13
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Hobbseelamont: looks like it was a sync - so no one in ubuntu03:13
lamontdebian cared enough to get amd64 in in august of this year...03:13
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lamontHobbsee: the issue for ubuntu is that it self-build-depends03:14
Hobbseelamont: classy.03:14
Hobbseelamont: i'm happy to +1 that, if it's that broken.03:14
norsettosiretart: thats what I did (I tried all combinations actually)03:14
lamontHobbsee: oh, that we need to bootstrap it is understood.  the question of the day is, do we care enough about mlton/amd64 in gutsy to take a new upstream version in order to get it, or does it get to wait until hardy.03:15
norsettosiretart: ssh -l norsetto sparky.ubuntuwire.com03:15
norsettosiretart: Permission denied (publickey).03:15
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lamontI really don't care which way - it's bootstrapping pain now, or later03:15
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lamontgrep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends,Build-Depends-Indep -sPackage mlton /var/lib/apt/lists/....Sources03:17
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siretartHobbsee:         grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends -s Package $1 -n /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources03:17
lamontand the only package in universe that build-depends mlton is..... <drumroll>  mlton03:17
Hobbseelamont: lets sync it now then.  if anything starts using it, it'll be more useful to have a vaguely newer version.03:19
siretartnorsetto: I'm a bit confused now. I see not attempts of logins in the auth.log.. hmmm03:20
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ZombieI need a shorewall.conf file,03:22
ZombieAnyone hav e one?03:22
norsettosiretart: if you are confused imagine how I am ....03:23
lamontHobbsee: I think I'll see if 20060826 builds on amd64 first03:25
Hobbseelamont: cool03:25
asisaksoren: what do you think about tor? Do you want to wait till I send my letter to ubuntu-devel and tor gets accepted / rejected?03:29
ZombieAnyone have a default shorewall.conf file?\03:29
sorenasisak: Ah, sorry, I didn't see your reply there. I have 132 irssi windows, so if people don't write my name somewhere on the line, I sometimes miss it. :)03:30
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sorenasisak: If you intend to maintain it, I'll ack it.03:30
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siretartnorsetto: and you are really using the ssh key you have registered with launchpad?03:31
norsettosiretart: I only have the one03:31
sorenasisak: Done03:32
ZombieDoes anyuone know how to restore shorewall.conf to its original state using apt?03:33
HobbseeZombie: this is about packaging.  not about shorewall.  the fact that no one replied the first time you asked propbably means they dont use it.03:34
asisaksoren: np. Thanks, even :)!03:34
zulbesides this isnt a shorewall support or a support channel even03:34
siretartZombie: try https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shorewall/+addquestion - or an appropriate irc channel03:34
Fujitsusiretart: Does sparky have the usual Ubuntuwire key syncing script?03:35
siretartFujitsu: in principal yes, however, I copy'n'paste the relevant lines in a rootshell03:35
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siretartFujitsu: too sad that nobody steps in for ubuntuwire :(03:35
Fujitsusiretart: You mean you wrote his authorized_keys by hand, and it still doesn't work!?03:36
norsettothe ineffable norsetto ....03:36
siretartI've downloaded it from https://launchpad.net/~norsetto/+sshkeys03:36
asisaksoren: should I subscribe archive people now?03:37
asisak(Since it is a sync, acked by MOTU UVF)03:37
siretartroot@sparky:~# ls -l ~norsetto/.ssh/03:37
siretart-rwx------ 1 norsetto ubuntu-dev 606 Oct  3 16:27 authorized_keys03:37
sorenasisak: Yes.03:37
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Fujitsusiretart: What does auth.log say?03:37
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siretartFujitsu: norsetto let's move this to #ubuntuwire, please03:38
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pkernWhat's ubuntuwire? ;)03:52
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siretartpkern: it was an attempt to have something like the debian project machines in ubuntu03:56
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siretartpkern: atm, there is only one public machine left: sparky. the main problem are admin volunteers, I think03:57
lucasah ok03:57
siretartwell, I'm the local admin for sparky, since it is hosted at my work-place03:57
asisakhey \sh03:58
siretartbut I don't have time to keep the account script up-to-date, and create accounts on request only03:58
Hobbseehiya \sh03:58
Fujitsusiretart: Why is the account script broken now? (I wrote it)03:58
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\shhey Hobbsee asisak siretart03:59
siretarthuhu Shoragan03:59
siretarthuhu \sh03:59
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\shNafallo, last gajim upload brought me a annoying feature..:(04:04
\shNafallo, chat messages coming from remote  are now displayed under the name of the buddy...my messages are still displayed next to my name04:05
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Nafallo\sh: hmm, how do you mean?04:16
Nafallo\sh: oh. I don't use remote...04:17
\shNafallo, no...when a message comes from a buddy...it's not displayed next to the name...but under the name04:18
\shwhile self typed messages are still displayed next to my name04:18
lamontdies on i386/gutsy as well...04:18
lamontand is only one of several xserver-xorg-* packages in that state04:18
Nafallo\sh: ah. statusmessages?04:18
\shNafallo, give me a sec for showing you a screenshot04:19
Nafallo\sh: thanks :-).04:19
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bddebianHeya gang04:27
sladenhey yeah bddebian04:27
bddebianHello sladen04:27
asisakhey bddebian04:27
bddebianHello asisak04:28
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norsettoHola bddebian04:29
lamontmake[4] : *** [mlton-compile]  Error 104:29
lamontso much for current gutsy mlton working on amd6404:30
bddebianHello norsetto04:30
\shwtf is mlton?04:31
lamont\sh: some compiler crack04:31
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dfiloniHi norsetto04:31
lamontor was that crack compiler?04:31
norsettodfiloni: hi there04:32
siretartML considered crack?04:32
lamontthe only reason I can see why we should even consider grabbing new mlton is (1) no one cares about  it (2) it'd let me bootstrap amd64 while I'm bootstrapping sparc/ppc/hppa instead of later04:32
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lamontsiretart: nah.. I just have _absolutely_ no clue what mlton is....04:33
lamontnor do I care to.04:33
lamontthen again, I gather that ML is one of them thar computor languages04:33
zulhyuck hyuck04:33
lamontwhich sums up my knowledge of it.04:33
lamont(and if I'm mistaken in that gathering, I don't really care, either...)04:34
lamontit definitely fits into my "I frequently don't want to know about a package I uploaded 5 minutes ago" category04:34
\shlamont, what's the error message?04:35
lamont\sh: you have a ronne login?04:36
\shlamont, I don't have any login, just to my machine...04:36
lamontError: ../lib/mlton/basic/file-desc.sml 14.32.04:37
lamont  Function applied to incorrect argument.04:37
lamont    expects: _ * (_ -> [word] )04:37
lamont    but got: _ * (_ -> [Word64.word] )04:37
lamont    in: o (Word.layout, fdToWord)04:37
lamontwhich is to say, 20070826-1 contained fixes to make it build on amd6404:37
siretartlamont: ah, so I expect you love the 'last uploader is responsible' policy ;)04:37
lamontsiretart: what policy?04:37
\shlamont, why not sync it in with an UVE? it could be better then a broken package now ;)04:38
lamontmind you, I do live by that policy to some extent... if my upload broke things, then I care.  if it didn't, then I reassign the bug to keybuk. :-)04:38
lamont\sh: it's a non-existant package now04:38
lamontmlton is dep-wait mlton in LP for gutsy04:38
\shoh nice04:39
\shso it needs a little bootstrap kick04:39
lamontso today's fun is "bootstrap it on hppa/ppc/sparc", let motu decide if they want to sync something newer, if they do, deal with amd6404:39
lamontmind you, I'd prefer that it _NOT_ be synced until after I bootstrap the 304:39
lamontalthough I don't care _that_ much04:40
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lamontI am likely to upload -1build1 when all is done to force a rebuild-with-LP-debs for sanity and love04:40
siretartlamont: so you can inject binaries into the archive bypassing the lp buildds?04:42
lamontI can accomplish something that is effectively the same thing04:42
pkernsiretart: Well, I don't get why Canonical doesn't offer them for core devs.04:42
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lamontpkern: policy is that all binaries published on {archive,ports}.u.c were built from source on the buildds04:43
lamontsiretart: what I can do is push a new build chroot which points to a bootstrapping archive which has non-LP bits in it04:43
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lamontand from there, it's "lamont the human autobuilder" to the rescue04:43
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\shsounds like a new title of an marvel comic..."Lamont, the Autobuilder" ,-)04:44
pkernlamont: Actually that was unrelated to his current question, but even for this point my observation still holds. It's actually impossible for Non-Canonical people to bootstrap a compiler?04:44
lamontpkern: uh... I'm not sure how to answer that question... I am not canonical04:45
lamontbut I am special.  My mommy told me so.04:45
pkernlamont: Hah (:04:45
pkernsiretart: That was re development machines.04:45
siretartlamont: proll and openhackware FTBFS on i386, but can be build on sparc/powerpc. do you think you can get them into the archive?04:45
lamontsiretart: why do they ftbfs?04:46
lamontare they arch-all?04:46
\shpkern, which could be a good thing...so the support-responsibility is still doko^Wcanonical04:46
siretartlamont: because they are written in arch-specific assembly and are arch all04:46
siretartlamont: qemu is using them as firmware for booting04:46
lamontum... if they have arch-specific assembly in them, they are most certainly not arch-all.04:46
lamontthe standard, uh, hack for that is to build source on the right architecure, and have the uploaded source contain the built binary blob04:47
siretartwell, they are, since qemu is avaiable on any arch04:47
siretartit is not executed, nor installed to /usr/bin/ or something04:47
lamontwhich makes me wanna vomit04:47
siretartit is executable code, which can be interpreted with qemu04:47
lamontarch all that is ftbfs on other than $magic_arch is not arch all.04:48
siretartyes. it wouldn't be a problem at all if we could upload manually compiled arch: all packages like in debian04:48
pkern\sh: I talk about non-standard compilers like... uh... ghc or such things. ;)04:48
lamontsource should be fixed (to include a binary blob, which can have source there as well)04:48
siretartlamont: I talked to the debian maintainer, and he refuses to fix it.04:48
pkernBut well one could upload ghc-bin or so and use that. :-P04:48
\shpkern, well, for this we have our buildd admins like infinity ;)04:48
siretartand I'm not going to invest energy to make it cross-compilable04:48
siretartI'd rather direct users to install the binary package (arch all) from debian04:49
lamontpkern: there are abusive ways to inject binaries into the archive that could be done by anyone with upload privs.  I expect that such abuse would be likely to get their upload privs revoked.04:49
\shanyways...I'm leaving now for real work...updating paper CV and writing some mails to some companies for a new jon04:49
lamontsiretart: it doesn't need to be cross-compilable04:49
lamontmake it an arch all package who's sparc-requiring build happens in the clean target, and who's build target just uudecodes the blob04:50
\shcu later :)04:50
lamontpkern: the official way to bootstrap something circular is: 1) provide an archive with binaries that work 2) whack infinity/lamont and get it done04:50
pkernlamont: Ok.04:52
lamontpkern: of course, sometimes it can take months for someone to figure out step 2.04:52
siretartlamont: which effectively means to ship a precompiled uuencoded binary in the source. :/04:53
lamontsiretart: ssssshhhh!!04:53
lamontbut _with_ source.04:53
lamontsee plao04:53
lamonter, palo04:53
pkernHah. There goes the policy of injecting binaries. (=04:54
lamontpkern: that's not injecting binaries.  that's delivering blobs04:55
lamontand restricted is _ALL_ about taht04:55
siretartand you're sure the archive admins are okay with that?04:55
lamontpalo is in main04:56
lamontsiretart: the correct way is to get the debian maintainer to do that04:56
siretartlamont: been there, tried that, lost, went home04:56
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lamontsiretart: that's a good idea05:17
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asisaksee you later05:26
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release_dudeanyone here to answer questions on package update policies ?05:28
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bddebianI just have to re-iterate something.  Even though I get frustrated and feel pretty useless at times, the MOTU community rocks!05:29
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release_dudeI would like to know the correct procedure to get a new version of the gnumed-client package into Ubuntu Feisty05:30
jdongnew version? Backports is your only route.05:30
jdongwhat is the nature of the update?05:30
release_dudethe version in Feisty is pretty useless for anyone but developers. The version in Gutsy is the first one to be usable by doctors05:31
release_dudeI am from the GNUmed team05:31
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release_dudeand get contacted often by people using feisty05:32
release_dudethey ask me why gnumed sucks so bad05:32
jdongrelease_dude: that sounds like a candidate for backporting then. I've got to run now, but if you want to file a backport request on it I'd be happy to look.05:32
jdongrelease_dude: due to the nature of Ubuntu's stable-release policy, the chances of getting an updated version into any other feisty update channel is nearly zero05:32
release_dudethanks for the answer05:32
release_dudethis is too bad05:33
release_dudePeople get frustrated05:33
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release_dudeand tell me our software sucks, too bad05:33
jdongrelease_dude: I understand your frustration, but at the same time it's difficult to balance a constant stream of updates with minimizing breaking of stable releases05:33
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release_dudeI understand05:34
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release_dudeI guess telling people to upgrade a otherwise stable distro is no way out, thanks anyway05:34
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release_dudejdong: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/118438 has been file some time ago05:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118438 in feisty-backports "please backport gnumed from gutsy to feisty" [Undecided,New] 05:42
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LinuturkWhat is the procedure for requesting a new package to enter the Universe. There is currently a package called ocsinventory-agent comitted to the gutsy Universe. It's counterpart, oscinventory-server is not in the universe at this time. Would it be possible to make an exception for the server component of this server application? The deb packages already exist in Debian Testing as of August.06:04
lamontLinuturk: it'll automatically be in hardy, if that helps any06:08
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Linuturklamont: well, in a wierd way, I'm trying to get this backported to feisty eventually. I'm running a feisty server at this time, and I'm migrating an existing oscinventory installation from an old testing box to a production server. I'd like all the benefits that come with having an actual package instead of compiling it from source again.06:10
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lamontyeah.  sadly, the time for new packages, even in universe, is well past.  Then again, it is universe we're talking about....06:13
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ScottKlamont: You are a MOTU by inheritence.06:18
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ScottKLinuturk: There is, at this point, not enough time to get a new pacakge through all the reviews needed.06:19
LinuturkScottK: What do you recommend? Wait for Hardy?06:22
ScottKLinuturk: Yes.  Once it's in the Hardy repository it can be backported from there.06:22
leonelthe security updates for  backports  how it's done ?  like any other package in universe ?06:25
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LinuturkCan it be backported from Hardy Devel ScottK ? When is that repo usually setup?06:27
ScottKUsually a few weeks after the previous release.06:28
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Linuturkthank you guys for the info06:32
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lamontScottK: I'm not a policy-maker for universe06:46
lamontI'm just a rampaging uploader from time to time...06:46
zullamont: we all are06:49
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lamontScottK: thoughts on mlton/amd64?  I'm going to assume it's a hardy thing06:52
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ScottKlamont: Since it's FTBFS on all archs except i386 now, I think the downside risk is low.  My inclination (without having looked at the amount of code churn in the newer version) would be to go for it.06:53
ScottKErr. Depwait, not FTBFS06:54
lamontit's dep-wait mlton06:54
lamontas in Build-Depends: $SELF06:54
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ScottKThen there's always the removal option.06:55
ScottKSince the package is IMO broken by design.06:55
lamontwell, gcc build-depends gcc06:55
lamontand X build-depends X06:55
ScottKlamont: I'm deeply ambivalent.06:55
siretartand mono build-depends mono06:55
siretartwe have a lot of self-builddepending crap in our archive06:56
lamontit's normal for compilers and X to build-depend on themselves...06:56
lamontthen again, after the breakup into xorg bite-sized pieces, it's possible that X doesn't build-depend itself anymore06:56
lamontoh, and let's not forget ecj build-depends ecj...  to hppa's great pain atm06:56
lamontanyway, lunchtime for me.06:57
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DaveMorrisI've been packaging up opensg for ubuntu in my ppa, and it's almost done.  Now the question is, is it best to use the release which was in 04, or take the active branch which is in cvs and do a release each 6 months?08:28
minghuaDaveMorris: Is there any reason you can't do both?08:29
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DaveMorrisI can, I was wondering what fitted with the ubuntu way so it can be included in the main repo's08:30
minghuaOh.  Then I don't know.  Depends on the nature of the software and the package, generally speaking.08:31
gnomefreakis flashplugin-nonfree something we can update in dapper? its giving the same md5sum error that feisty and gutsy were giving when they upgraded the tarball upstream08:32
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ScottKgnomefreak: Seems to me that pacakge doesn't work meets the SRU criteria.08:37
ScottKDaveMorris: How come they don't release?08:37
gnomefreakScottK: it does?08:37
gnomefreakits not a security update08:37
gnomefreakok ill grab it and have it fixed by end of day08:38
ScottKgnomefreak: SRU, not security.08:38
gnomefreakyeah caught that :(08:38
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kiko-afkhey there08:40
geserHi kiko08:41
kikoI'm curious if anyone would be interested in packaging OGMRip08:41
kikoit's a DVD-ripping app for GNOME08:41
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kikothe author contacted me and I was checking to see if anyone would like to pick it up08:42
kikoit has a previous packaging available at getdeb.org apparently08:42
DaveMorrisScottK: it started as a research project, and I guess they are only fixing bugs now, whilst working on version 2 - which has major changes08:43
Lutingnomefreak: updated E packages available08:45
ScottKDaveMorris: The svn snapshot...  Is it bugfixes to the stable branch or a snapshot of unstable development software?08:47
DaveMorrisstable branch08:48
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jdongMez_: remind me in 24hrs to poke you to sponsor a prevu fix for Gutsy.... need to add a 1-liner to whitelist gutsy as a valid target08:56
bddebianAnyone know what replaces gtk-config in gtk2?  Does it use pkg-config?08:57
zuli think so but best ask in -desktop08:57
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bddebianGah, too many damn channels :-)08:58
geserHi bddebian08:58
bddebianThx zul08:58
bddebianHeya geser08:58
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geserbddebian: have you tried looking inside libgtk2.0-dev?09:00
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bddebiangeser: A little but as you know, I'm kinda braindead :-)09:03
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jdongcan some kind soul sponsor http://severance.gotdns.org/~jdong/debdiffs/prevu-gutsy.debdiff into gutsy? One-line fix for Prevu under Gutsy, test built and installed and run.09:06
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zuljdong: for universe or main?09:07
jdongzul: universe09:08
zuljdong: ping me in a couple of hours say around 8 and ill do it09:08
jdongzul: ok, will do, thanks.09:08
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bluekujajdong: heya09:17
bluekujajdong: still need sponsorship?09:18
jdongbluekuja: yes sir09:18
bluekujajdong: grabbing source ;)09:18
bluekujagive me two minutes09:18
gnomefreakLutin: ty i got them a bit ago :)09:18
Lutingnomefreak: hehe, cool09:19
bluekujajdong: uploaded ;)09:25
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jdongbluekuja: thank you09:26
bluekujajdong: you're really welcome ;)09:26
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DktrKranzkeescook, could you answer a couple of questions regarding bug 137070 ?09:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137070 in bind "BIND version 8 generates cryptographically weak DNS query identifiers" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13707009:36
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bddebianLater gang10:10
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gnomefreakanyone happen to have a dapper chroot? for some reason dpkg fails to do anything :(10:33
leonel gnomefreak   want me to try some thing in dapper ?10:41
leonelor dapper chroot ?10:41
gnomefreakleonel: if you have one built what version of dpkg is there10:42
gnomefreakshould be ubuntu 6 or ubuntu710:42
gnomefreakleonel: does it work?10:43
gnomefreakseems like a stupid question but ubuntu6 is failing badly here10:43
gnomefreakdpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file10:43
gnomefreakE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (210:43
gnomefreakplease tell me you dont see that10:44
leonelwell I don't have exim ... let me install something10:45
gnomefreakleonel: i dont think i have it either :(10:45
gnomefreaknope package exim isnt installed here10:45
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gnomefreakah yes it is its exim410:46
gnomefreakwell without dpkg there isnt much i can do to remove it10:47
Kopfgeldjaegergood night10:47
gnomefreaki guess this means im redoing my chroot10:48
leonelgnomefreak:  no problems  installing  libclamav1_0.88.2-1ubuntu1.3_i386.deb  with dpkg10:48
gnomefreaknight Kopfgeldjaeger10:48
minghuaSounds like a broken chroot.10:48
gnomefreakits most likely due to installing subversion-tools10:48
gnomefreakminghua: its brand new10:48
gnomefreakoh well start over sounds best10:49
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keescookDktrKranz: sure! what's up?11:13
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DktrKranzkeescook, that package does not have a patch system, and patch provided upstream is quite large (> 20k). Is it legal to apply it upstream or it is better to apply it in another way?11:17
DktrKranzerm...inline, not upstream11:17
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keescookDktrKranz: without a patch system, inline is really the simplest way to go.  Note that almost no one uses "bind", they normally use bind9.  Since it's a large (and non-obvious) patch, it'd need to be tested.11:32
DktrKranzthat's the second question...since no one uses bind, I need to discover how to test it11:33
pwnguinbind is just bind811:33
DktrKranzpwnguin, yeo11:33
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pwnguinim not even sure why its in universe11:34
DktrKranzit has been removed from gutsy, but is still present in < gutsy11:34
pwnguini recall someone filing a bug about bind not being bind911:34
DktrKranzbind8 has been marked as EoS11:35
DktrKranzthat was last patch provided (IIRC)11:35
pwnguinso you want to backport some patches to bind that aren't upstream?11:35
DktrKranzthey are upstream11:36
DktrKranzthe last ones :)11:36
pwnguini see11:36
pwnguinas far as patching11:36
pwnguini favor quilt / dpatch11:36
pwnguinits nice to have the patches small and seperate11:37
DktrKranzthat's a single, big, patch11:37
DktrKranzit was > 40k, but code was about a half11:38
pwnguinhave you looked at debian's package?11:38
DktrKranzthere's a bug open11:39
DktrKranzbut no fix has been provided so far11:39
geserDktrKranz: based on that bind8 got removed from gutsy and new patches aren't expected anymore I wouldn't add a patch system only for this patch11:39
pwnguinthat' a good point11:39
DktrKranzand bind8 was removed from debian too...11:39
pwnguinesp if it's already upstream11:40
DktrKranzgeser, this is true even if this patch would go into a security update11:40
DktrKranzI remember someone (pitti?) who suggested me non to introduce patch systems on SRUs11:41
geseradding a patch system won't make the patch easier to understand11:41
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geserhopefully nobody will need to touch that package again, so there is no need to make it better than needed11:42
ScottKDktrKranz: Yes.  That's what he's told me too.11:43
pwnguinbut in the general case, it does make it easier for debian to take back work if you've got explicit patches to review. obviously your case is non-standard11:43
DktrKranzand if someone does, it will be for stable releases (gutsy removed it)11:43
DktrKranzwell, it is quite trivial for debian maintainer to get a patch for this, if he wants to11:46
lamontScottK: just to make sure, you're good with syncing the latest mlton from sid under the "What Evah..." clause?11:46
ScottKlamont: I am.  You need another apathetic motu-uvf too.11:46
ScottKzul is probably good for that.11:47
lamontzul: where are you when I need your apathy???11:50
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lamontmind you, I don't want to actually sync it until after sparc/ppc build the older version11:51
DktrKranznight all11:57
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gnomefreakfor dapper proposed what should i prepend to version? the docs say dont use ~proposed but the example gived uses ~proposed12:18
gnomefreakit ends in ~dapper1 atm12:19
minghuaPrepend?  Or do you mean append?12:20
gnomefreaksorry thought i typed that12:21
gnomefreakso should i use ~dapper2 since its now ~dapper1?12:22
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ScottKgnomefreak: Just use the version number you want it to have when it hits dapper-updates.12:33
gnomefreakthis is odd since its in backports12:34
gnomefreaksomeone backported it and it is borked as were feisty edgy and gutsy12:34
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gnomefreakwould ~6.06.1 be greater than ~dapper112:36
gnomefreakeither that or i use dapper2 and its put in updates instead of backport12:36
Fujitsugnomefreak: backports are independent from everything else. What are you trying to upload to? dapper-updates, or dapper-backports?12:37
gnomefreakbackports has flashplugin-nonfree (

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