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=== Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: See our website at http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV "
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DiggThisanyone know how to use the config of the remote control?11:36
DiggThisIs there anyone in this room other than the users listed?11:37
DiggThisanyone having problems with beta?11:41
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DaveMorrisI'm around between classes, but you've left now12:05
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DavieyDaveMorris: Am i correct in saying the ISO's on http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/  are the ones ready for beta-release?12:54
lagaDaveMorris: i dont have a quit button using my german locale. what to do?12:58
Davieyrun for the hills12:59
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lagaDaviey: ping01:55
lagaDaviey: so, let's write the announcement01:56
DaveMorrislaga http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/59 is what the livecd looks like, an install has the quit at the bottom as well02:09
lagaDaveMorris: i know. but it doesn't work in my german locale.02:10
DaveMorrisdoes the help button load help or quit?02:10
lagathat screenshot i gave to you was from a beta 1 install.02:10
lagalets try that02:10
lagadamn, i booted the RT kernel02:10
DaveMorrismight be a translation problem (Hopes so)02:10
lagathaT's rolly gonna crash my box...02:10
lagaohy, no crash. cool.02:11
lagaokay, but it's slow as hell. sigh :/02:11
lagai'm gonna test later if you don't mind02:11
DaveMorrisnp, I'm gonna grab some lunch between classes02:12
Davieylaga: pong02:41
lagawanna help02:42
Daviey"[ubuntu-mythtv]  Call for testing on beta disk" seems pretty solid02:45
Davieycan you think of much extra to add?02:45
DavieyOther than the 'boilerplate' - "We are happy to blah...02:45
lagai did that already02:46
lagai just got sidetracked in the bug tracker02:46
laganeed to weed out some closed bugs to compile a list of known problems02:46
Davieyyeah, that was good last time02:47
lagalots of stuff02:48
lagacan you set up a multiplayer notepad thingamajic again02:49
lagaalso, we need some more milestones in launchpad02:49
lagaeg, 7.10 final02:49
Davieybah.. i was suprised to only see a few bugs - then i realised i was looking at bugs assigned to the team, rather than the proj.  :(02:50
laga25 open bugs02:50
lagacan you set up a mile stone?02:50
laganot sure if i have permissions to do that02:50
Davieyi would think you do02:51
lagano i dont think so02:54
ubotuNew bug: #133634 in mythbuntu "lirc is installed with mythtv-backend" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13363402:55
ubotuNew bug: #134084 in mythbuntu "ofdp.pl is not working" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13408402:55
Davieylaga: we gave a milestone amed 'beta'02:56
lagabut since beta is already out there...02:57
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bendaileyDaviey: ping03:03
Davieybendailey: ^03:06
bendaileysorry I worked with superm1 on the script last night it isn't live yet is it?03:07
lagai wonder why the fsck i cant change importance on some bugs03:07
Davieybendailey: dunno03:07
Davieyi just saw it was different, so left it03:07
bendaileyit does look like mine is live03:09
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bendaileywhat is the bandwidth available at us-ca/month?03:09
Davieybendailey: erm.. variable03:10
laga22 bugs left...03:11
bendaileyok the script does weighting based on bandwidth03:11
Davieybendailey: > 400Gb's03:11
bendaileyDaviey: so if I set you to 400GB/mon in the db you should be safe?03:11
DavieySo if it exceeds 400Gb/month - i will get no further requests?03:12
bendaileyno it won't kill it at 400 but the script is structured so all mirrors should run out of bandwidth at the same time03:13
laga20 bugs left *sigh*03:18
Davieybendailey: cool03:19
Davieywould it be worth adding a 'hard rule' ?03:19
Davieyif it exceeds X, then no further traffic?03:19
bendaileyThe db has an active field for the host all that need be done is flip the field to zero and it stops getting traffic03:20
bendaileyI can only track hits and not actual bandwidth so hard rule would be hard to determine03:20
bendaileydoes anyone know when the announcement is going to hit the site?03:21
Davieythis eening methinks03:22
bendaileyok I look forward to seeing the hits flow in03:22
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ubotuNew bug: #130924 in mythbuntu "Add additional package: dvb-utils" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13092403:25
Davieyi need to pop into the lab, brb03:26
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MythbuntuGuest29hi, i am not using mythbuntu but ubuntu with manuelly mythtv installed04:10
MythbuntuGuest29first i had one dvb-t usb card04:10
MythbuntuGuest29now i connected a second04:10
MythbuntuGuest29how to activate it? i have completed the backend setup but the status is:04:10
MythbuntuGuest29Encoder 2 is remote on TV (currently not connected).04:11
laga"remote" means that it's on a slave backend04:12
MythbuntuGuest29hm yes, but i've connected it on the master04:18
MythbuntuGuest29but one moment i think i got it04:18
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rhpot1991my boxes do that when the slave comes up before the master04:29
MythbuntuGuest29i have no slave04:32
MythbuntuGuest29master is the frontend04:32
tgm4883MythbuntuGuest29, did you rerun mythtv-setup on the master?04:34
rhpot1991so you have one tuner and its in the same box as the backend?04:34
MythbuntuGuest29i habe 2 tuner04:38
MythbuntuGuest29both tvb-t04:38
MythbuntuGuest29but i connected just today the second04:38
MythbuntuGuest29mythtv-setup? is it the setup for the backend?04:39
MythbuntuGuest29I am currently running the channel-scan04:39
lagayou probably forgot to connect it to a video source04:40
lagaif both dvb-t devices get the sammel channels, you can conenct them to the same video source04:41
lagaanyways, i'm off04:41
MythbuntuGuest29yes, thats what i am testing, first i have created a new source04:41
MythbuntuGuest29and just right now i am trying the same source for both04:41
MythbuntuGuest29but i am not sure, maybe one channel won't be found on a stick because of the tiny antenna(?), will mythtv recognize this?04:42
MythbuntuGuest29sry for my englisch :D04:43
lagaoh, a kraut :P04:44
lagathere's also #mythtv-de04:45
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tgm4883laga, are we just waiting on me for the beta?05:04
lagaregarding the mirror05:04
tgm4883the torrent05:04
lagai'm waiting for superm1 to show up so he can post the release notes once Daviey finishes it05:05
tgm4883i'm in email discussions with the tracker dev, but everything he has suggested has come up nothing05:06
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lagaso it boils down to suckage on your part?05:06
tgm4883I have to leave for class in about 30 min.  think superm1 will be back by then?05:06
tgm4883something strange, as it works fine on the test site05:06
tgm4883since the release is imminent, we may have to use linuxtracker for it05:07
lagaset up a regular bittorrent trackerit's 5pm here, superm1 usually shows up at that time05:07
tgm4883do you have an account at linuxtracker?05:08
tgm4883if I put the torrent up now, people will be all over it05:08
pdragon04beta is being released?05:09
lagapdragon04: later today, yes.05:09
pdragon04cool :)05:09
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tgm4883laga, he knows too much ;)05:09
pdragon04uh oh05:09
pdragon04will a dist-upgrade be enough to go from alpha4 to beta, or do i have to so something else?05:11
tgm4883thats a good question05:11
tgm4883i'm not sure how the transition from openbox to xfce4 works for upgrades05:12
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lagafor most things yes. but i'm lacking the big picture here05:12
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pdragon04i just did a reload from scratch this passed weekend (got bigger hdds and changed to xfs) and noticed xfce was running after doing a dist-upgrade05:16
pdragon04is that what's supposed to be happening with the beta?05:17
tgm4883yes, xfce is the new desktop env05:17
pdragon04my CD for installation was from back in the beginning of september, so there was a ton of updates05:17
tgm4883well xfce405:17
pdragon04well, i can run an update later this week and see what happens. any special way to tell if i'm running the beta after that?05:19
lagasince mythbuntu is basically just a special collection of packages already in ubuntu.. no ;)05:22
lagalook at the screen shots and compare, hehe05:22
lagapdragon04: talk to superm1 when he comes back05:22
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superm1ugh my laptop died last night05:26
lagapoor laptop05:26
dwf_starbandI have a mceusb2 remote working, now i want to get the blaster working, do I need to folow the instructoins for setting up a second lirc device, or is it still considered the same since its one usb device with the blaster pluged into it?05:27
tgm4883superm1, check the email i just sent to the list and let me know if your ok with that05:28
superm1tgm4883, whew 66 mails in 5 hours05:29
superm1give me a few moments05:29
lagasuperm1: daviey is working on the release notes, should be good by now05:29
superm1laga, okay cool05:29
tgm4883yea, i saw that too :005:29
superm1i'm pushing to bendailey's mirrors right now.  right when my laptop died i was in the middle of things05:29
superm1i'm rsyncing that old hard drive to another right now, and hoping i can get that machine back up and running in a sense05:30
bendaileysuperm1: do you need me to do anything on my mirrors?05:31
dwf_starbandis there a more appropriate place to ask questions?05:31
superm1bendailey, i dont think so05:31
superm1its just a matter of moving the files around now05:31
superm1what other mirrors are we missing with the files?05:31
superm1tgm4883, yeah that's fine05:32
lagadwf_starband: there's a more appropriate time to ask those questions, eg when we're not in the middle of preparing a release :)05:32
lagasuperm1: while we're at it, let's move to #mythbuntu-dev?05:32
superm1laga, we need to get it registered05:33
superm1lets do it right after other things are set today05:33
dwf_starbandthats why I asked, you seemed pretty busy the last couple of days, sorry to bother05:33
pdragon04but we're having fun being snooping on your conversation05:33
lagasuperm1: ok05:33
superm1laga, er actually when ompaul shows back up05:33
superm1we can ask him to make us a second channel05:33
lagasuperm1: who is ompaul?05:34
superm1he's an IRC admin05:34
superm1pops in here all the time05:34
Davieyompaul is freenode staff... he rocks05:34
lagaah, k05:34
superm1hi Daviey05:35
deffconsuperm1: i lost my sound after update, do you know what i can do its connected through spdif05:35
superm1deffcon, can we discuss later today after release is all set?05:35
deffconbeta release ?05:35
tgm4883maybe :)05:35
deffconhe ok i'll wait of course !!!05:36
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deffconif i can do something let me know, and let the hitmen come hahaha05:36
lagadeffcon: btw, check your bug reports in launchpad, i think i requested more information on one05:36
deffconok i will05:36
superm1Daviey, in the post don't forget that you can mention the screenshots for beta too, if you haven't already http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/305:37
Davieysuperm1: do you have gobby installed?05:37
superm1i dont even know what that is ;)05:37
superm1it was mentioned to me once05:37
Daviey13:48 < laga> can you set up a multiplayer notepad thingamajic again05:37
superm1the collaborative editor05:38
lagasuperm1: can you add a 'rc' and 'final' milestone for to the 7.10 series for mythbuntu? i'd like to get bugs managed more properly05:38
superm1laga, i think tgm4883 made those last time05:38
superm1i have no idea how to05:38
tgm4883i'll set it up05:38
lagatgm4883: thanks05:38
tgm4883in about an hour if that ok05:38
lagatgm4883: where do you do that05:38
Davieysuperm1: I tried to earlier and asked in #launchpad - but i couldn't find it either05:38
tgm4883laga you going to be on in an hour?05:38
lagatgm4883: no, but just throw me an URL05:39
Davieytgm4883: can you tell us how, and we'll do it :)05:39
superm1Daviey, i have a feeling i'll be forced to install gobby before UDS though05:39
superm1Daviey, er at UDS probably05:39
Davieysuperm1: you'll be forced to install it now :)05:39
Davieysuperm1: Are you being sponsered for UDS?05:39
superm1Daviey, i won't be able to right this moment.05:39
superm1Daviey, yeah :)05:39
lagaok, i've gotta go. will be back later05:40
tgm4883Daviey, Laga, in launchpad you click on the 7.10 release (in the mythbuntu project), then register a release from there.05:43
lagai was gonna add a milestone?05:44
tgm4883you do that same place05:44
lagasuperm1: target a RC for 25th?05:44
tgm4883it's one link up05:44
tgm4883from register release05:44
superm1um we need to go a lot sooner than that05:44
lagasuperm1: of this month05:44
lagasuperm1: ok05:44
superm1our archive freezes when ubuntu's freezes05:45
superm1so the *only* changes we can make after the 19th is installer changes05:45
lagasuperm1: ok, then 12th?05:45
Davieydoes your weekly-builds archive freeze aswell :)05:45
superm1so i say target rc for ~1 week before05:45
tgm4883Daviey, laga, i'm way late for class, so if you have any questions shoot me an email05:45
superm1and then we'll target release for say the 22nd05:46
superm1so we have the weekend to sort out any last minute changes05:46
lagalooks like i have to create a  release, that's the way the other stuff was set up05:46
pdragon04would it be more helpful to reload the beta from scratch or upgrade from alpha to test it05:46
lagaoh well, milestone it is. sorry for the confusion05:46
lagasuperm1: final is 30th then?05:47
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lagawould be cool if someone would try beta on a box with wireless05:49
tgm4883laga, you should also make a beta release and make the beta milestone unactive05:49
MythbuntuGuest46Hi all, I have just installed the mythbuntu on to a gusty beta install. Most of it is working fine, but I can't get mythweb to work.05:51
lagasuperm1: when is release?05:51
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MythbuntuGuest46MythWeb complains about it not being able to access the db. despite everything else being able to use the default db settings05:52
lagaMythbuntuGuest46: is the password in /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess?05:53
superm1laga, lets push release for monday the 22nd05:54
lagasuperm1: k05:54
lagaok, we have two new milestones: rc and final05:54
superm1i've got to jet for a little.  mirrors are a pushin right now.  it's going to be ~1hr for them to finish it looks like05:54
superm1i left it in screen this time around05:55
lagai need to help the GF with school stuff05:55
superm1so i can run to campus05:55
MythbuntuGuest46There is no mythweb-htaccess there is an mythweb-htaccess.conf.dpkg-old05:55
lagathat probably explains it..05:55
lagaanyways, i need to run now. please file a bug in launchpad against mythbuntu05:56
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tgm4883_laptoplaga, Daviey, is the description for the release done?07:08
tgm4883_laptopand does anyone have a good screenshot of the beta07:08
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MitoTranin|WorkGreetings al07:09
MitoTranin|Worktgm4883_laptop: We haven't met yet, but I read in my backlog that you're working on getting the release torrent ready07:11
Davieytgm4883_laptop: sorry looked away07:12
MitoTranin|WorkI just got involved last night, and had been waiting on a support call to my host to fix a problem, and they just fixed it, so my mirror is now ready07:12
DavieyDo you want to have a read through the release notes?07:12
MitoTranin|Workwhat's the status on the release?07:12
tgm4883_laptopDaviey, yea, i'm setting up the torrent and need a quick description.  And hopefully a screenshot too07:12
tgm4883_laptopDaviey, meet MitoTranin|Work07:13
Davieytgm4883_laptop: screen shots are on the website07:13
DavieyMitoTranin|Work: Later today it'll be announced07:14
tgm4883_laptopDaviey, are you in charge of mirrors?07:14
MitoTranin|WorkDaviey: sounds good07:14
Davieytgm4883_laptop: not "in charge"07:17
tgm4883_laptopMitoTranin, has a new mirror07:18
Davieyus-ca.cdimage and cdimage are mine - they sync'd07:18
DavieyMitoTranin|Work: cool, what sort of BW can you push?07:18
MitoTranin|Workus-ca2.cdimages.mythbuntu.org is mine07:18
Davieywhen did this happen?!07:18
MitoTranin|WorkDaviey: last night07:18
Davieynice to be notified of these things eh?07:19
MitoTranin|Workand I'm not sure on my BW limit, because I top out at my top dl speed07:19
MitoTranin|Workit happened LATE last night07:19
DavieyAre you sync'd?07:19
MitoTranin|Workbetween 1am-2am EDT07:19
DavieyEDT, what's that in proper time?07:19
MitoTranin|WorkEST during daylight time07:20
MitoTranin|Workright now it's -407:20
MitoTranin|Work(new-york time)07:20
MitoTranin|WorkEDT = Eastern Daylight Time, which is what EST is during daylight savings time07:20
MitoTranin|WorkEST is -5, take into effect the daylight savings, and it's -407:20
Davieymeh... you yanks and your crazy timezones :)07:21
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MitoTranin|Workwell.. I'm not *IN* new york, just the same time zone :)07:21
MitoTranin|WorkI'm actually as far west as you can get and still be in the same time zone....07:21
MitoTranin|Workbut yeah07:21
MitoTranin|Workanyways, I downloaded the iso myself from my mirror last night and was grabbing it at 600kbs07:22
MitoTranin|Workwhich is my peak speed my home can handle07:22
MitoTranin|Work3TB/mo allowed07:22
MitoTranin|WorkIP trace shows the server is in SanFransisco07:22
tgm4883_laptopDaviey, i'm ready to announce when you are07:23
MitoTranin|Workthat's pretty much all I know :)07:23
tgm4883_laptopDaviey, make sure when you do the link to digg, that you make a new digg article07:23
Davieyis SF still ca?07:23
MitoTranin|Workit's california07:23
Davieytgm4883_laptop: can you read through the release notes?07:23
DavieyI'm assuming keescook's mirror us upto date07:31
keescookDaviey: I pulled the stuff superm1 announced on the mailing list.07:32
Davieykeescook: cool07:32
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MitoTranin|WorkDaviey: my cousin is big into MythTV, and into Ubuntu... I was telling him about this and he said he might want to get involved.  He said he can stop into the channel a bit later and check things out, see what he can help with (he's a good programer etc)07:33
DaveMorrissounds good07:35
DaveMorriswhat does he program in?07:35
DavieyDaveMorris: computers i expect07:35
Davieymaybe alptop or desktop07:35
MitoTranin|Workheh :)07:35
DaveMorrisnot a tv then ;)07:35
DaveMorris\me slaps Daviey07:35
MitoTranin|Workgenerally using a keyboard too :)07:35
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about boobs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:37
bendaileysorry had to show my boss that07:38
DavieySack Him!07:38
bendaileyI think that is really funny ever since laga did it awhile ago07:38
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DaveMorrisI wonder if my opensg package will be enough?07:40
DaveMorrisactually, the last 'release' was in 04, is it acceptable to package up cvs versions every 6 months instead?07:43
Davieycheck with motu's07:50
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tgm4883_laptopstupid power07:57
DaveMorrispower corrupts all ;)07:58
tgm4883_laptopmy college just lost power, and the wireless went out07:58
tgm4883_laptopwe're on backup generator now07:59
MitoTranin|Workelectricity is your friend...08:00
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camelreefhello everyone08:06
camelreef!bug 13977008:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13977008:06
camelreefis Mario here ?08:06
camelreefhy tgm488308:08
camelreefI wa trying to understand what he meant in his comment08:08
tgm4883_laptophow have you been updating?08:10
tgm4883_laptophow though, what command?08:10
camelreefonce or twice a day08:10
camelreefsudo aptitude update && sudoa ptitude dist-upgrade08:10
camelreefwithout the typo ;o)08:11
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tgm4883_laptopim wondering why it's still.......08:11
tgm4883_laptophere he is08:11
camelreefMario !08:11
superm1what happened?08:11
superm1Hi folks08:11
camelreef!bug 13977008:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13977008:11
superm1its still happening???08:12
superm1after beta?08:12
camelreefI was wondring about your last comment there08:12
camelreef<- Nico08:12
superm1yeah the order of launching should be more tightly controlled in the beta08:12
camelreefthe thing is, I fixed it manually before08:12
tgm4883_laptopsuperm1, he still has openbox08:12
tgm4883_laptopevery program needs a page table08:13
superm1can you post the session script that is launching you into openbox?08:13
tgm4883_laptopwhoops, wrong screen08:13
camelreefwhich package is supposed to drag Xfce with it ?08:13
superm1MitoTranin|Work, is your mirror all set?08:13
superm1camelreef, mythbuntu-desktop will08:13
superm1MitoTranin|Work, did you get the DNS stuff to bendailey ?08:13
camelreefahem...I may not have this one..;.08:13
MitoTranin|Worksuperm1: all set and up-to-date with your uk mirror08:13
MitoTranin|Workyeah, it's live right now08:13
MitoTranin|Workus-ca2.cdimages.mythbuntu.org should work08:14
MitoTranin|Workworks for me at least :)08:14
foxbuntusuperm1, when were you gonna post the annoucement?08:14
superm1MitoTranin|Work, er error id: "bad_httpd_conf"08:14
camelreeflet me finish the mythcommflah --all --rebuild --hogcpu, and I'll get the package in08:14
superm1when i tried to visit it?08:14
DaveMorrisI can''t seem to connect to any peers for the beta torrent, are there any?08:14
superm1okay so to double check, are all the mirrors ready then?08:14
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, the torrent hasn't been uploaded yet08:14
tgm4883_laptopcheck the rest of your email :)08:15
MitoTranin|Work??? I'm getting that right now too... but it worked just a little while ago!?!?08:15
DaveMorrisI never read that part!08:15
MitoTranin|Workugh, I know what happened08:15
camelreefsuperm1, yes, I do have the mythbuntu-desktop package08:15
bendaileyMitoTranin|Work: your mirror loads here08:16
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, i'll upload it as soon as superm1 or Daviey posts08:16
superm1camelreef, then if you have the latest version, you should have xfce stuff all installed too08:16
superm1version latest is 0.7 i believe08:16
camelreefsuperm1, and yes, I have all the xfce stuff in. I guess I need to restart gdm once in a while08:16
DaveMorrisyeah, but openbox isn't removed, and the session scipt might not be changed08:16
superm1foxbuntu, on yours "Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_add_js() in /home/foxmfox6/public_html/modules/ubercart/uc_store/uc_store.module on line 328"08:16
superm1camelreef, yeah you have to make the directory ~/.config, and then disable/enable autostart08:17
superm1in the control centre08:17
foxbuntusuperm1, I know, its an issue with drupal I am working on, however the isos are there08:17
camelreefDaveMorris, how do I make sure the seesion script gets changed ?08:17
camelreefsuperm1, for which use ?08:17
superm1camelreef, your normal user08:18
foxbuntusuperm1, I don't allow dir browsing on my site08:18
superm1foxbuntu, not even on this vhost?08:18
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superm1you should have sep vhosts for sep sites i would imagine08:18
foxbuntuits not a vhost08:18
superm1oh.  well shouldn't you make it setup as such if your hosting multiple things there?08:19
foxbuntuI have that on my list of to-do's08:19
camelreefubuntu-mythtv-frontend depends on openbog08:19
foxbuntubut for right now the only access to those files is the link08:19
camelreefI guess I should get rid of this meta-packagem then08:20
superm1okay after MitoTranin|Work's mirror is cleared, tgm4883_laptop are the torrents up yet?08:20
superm1if not, get them up on linuxtracker.org08:20
superm1and then Daviey you here? ready with announce text?08:20
tgm4883_laptopthey are up on linuxtracker as soon as you tell me to08:20
superm1yeah go for it08:21
DaveMorriscamelreef: you should be able to choose the session type on the log in screen08:21
MitoTranin|Worksuperm1: bendailey and I know what the problem with my mirror is and it's being fixed now08:21
superm1okay cool08:21
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MitoTranin|Work(I wanted it to be tidy, and tidy-ing things up is what broke it)08:21
bendaileyok I show that the dns records are changed it should just be a matter of propagation before it is good for everyone08:22
superm1bendailey, it looks like Daviey took out his index.php08:22
superm1what should your script be titled?08:22
superm1should it be the index.php in the download/ directory?08:22
tgm4883_laptoptorrents are up08:23
pdragon04so exciting08:23
bendaileyyeah it should be index.php in download08:23
MitoTranin|Worktgm4883_laptop: what's the torrent link so I can get my home seeding it?08:23
DaveMorristgm4883 after I'd started downloading directly, typical08:23
superm1okay bendailey it's in place08:23
bendaileydaviey said that it was changed earlier today08:23
foxbuntubendailey, think you could change my cname dns quick before release?08:24
tgm4883_laptopwho's making the announcement?08:24
superm1where'd he go?08:24
bendaileysuperm1: did we forget to swap it out after testing last night?08:24
superm1bendailey, well it was swapped out08:24
bendaileyfoxbuntu: I think I have a records for everyone which host is yours?08:24
superm1someone must have moved things around08:24
camelreefI have a choice of sessions, among them mythbuntu and xfce, which one should I choose ?08:24
DaveMorristry mythbuntu 1st08:25
MitoTraninI just checked my mirror from my home (remote VNC is great) and my mirror works from here08:25
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superm1tgm4883_laptop, we need to update the support page to list all the forums info now too08:26
superm1i'll update the download iso page08:26
tgm4883_laptopif you have the torrents from the mailing list, it will connect at the next scheduled announce interval08:26
foxbuntubendailey, I am adding a new sub domain to my server08:26
bendaileyfoxbuntu: did you get my pm?08:27
hansoffate|workwow awesome08:27
hansoffate|workmythbuntu beta!08:27
hansoffate|workgoing to be installing this, this weekend on my box08:27
foxbuntubendailey, yea08:28
foxbuntuI just sent you one08:28
DaveMorrishansoffate|work: has sfce now :)08:29
tgm4883_laptopsuperm1, check the support page now08:29
camelreefOK, I logged in, had to go to MCC again to setup auto-start and auto-login. Auto-login did not go through, so I did a gdmsetup for it, also confirming the default session as mythbuntu08:29
camelreefhow do I check the screensaver thing now ?08:30
MitoTranin|Workok, my home is seeding the i38608:30
hansoffate|workDaveMorris: sfce?08:30
MitoTranin|WorkI don't have the amd downloaded there yet though08:30
superm1okay download iso page is all setup08:30
hansoffate|workoh yea, i heard08:31
tgm4883_laptopsuperm1, should the torrents be listed on the download page?08:31
superm1tgm4883, drop the "The Ubuntu Forums, http://www.ubuntuforums.org.  Please be sure to add a mythbuntu tag when making a post."08:31
hansoffate|worki am pretty excited, never used mythbuntu in alpha, i will be getting the last of my parts on friday from newegg08:31
superm1tgm4883_laptop, yeah that's right08:31
superm1i'll add those in08:32
foxbuntusuperm1, I modified my setup so browsing will be open when the dns proigates out08:33
tgm4883_laptopalso, there are a couple new threads in the mythbuntu forums08:33
camelreefhmm, I've lost the frontend logs08:33
superm1okay everything on the download page should be good now08:38
superm1has the torrents and such08:38
foxbuntubendailey, did you write the php download script?08:39
foxbuntuor superm1 you can prob do this08:39
foxbuntucomment out my mirror from the rotation for now08:40
MitoTranin|Worksuperm1: Should the download page say something about requesting users to use the torrents, or have a link to a torrent client or something?08:40
MitoTranin|Workgenerally you'd think people would know, but this is kinda geared to be usable by a novice, and a novice might not know what a torrent is, etc.08:40
bendaileyfoxbuntu: yes08:41
camelreefOK, I'll let you finish your release, and come back for my lost mythfrontend logs later, good luck, have fun08:41
bendaileyfoxbuntu it is in a db now I will deactivate you08:41
foxbuntuprob for best results comment out my host until DNS replicates08:41
foxbuntushould just be a little while...maybe an hour or 208:41
superm1MitoTranin|Work, well i think that novices shouldn't mess too much with needing to get torrent client and such, but that should be on the front page announce at minimum08:41
MitoTranin|Workfoxbuntu: which mirror is yours?08:42
MitoTranin|WorkI just got a dns error when it gave me us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org08:42
MitoTranin|Workis that yours?08:42
foxbuntuthats mine08:42
MitoTranin|Workk :) just checking, cause if not, someone else was having a problem too :)08:42
foxbuntuI should have thought of doing this sooner08:42
bendaileyfoxbuntu: you are disabled in the db08:43
superm1doing what?08:43
foxbuntumoving those isos out of my web dir08:43
foxbuntuto a vhost08:43
MitoTranin|Workus-ca and us-az work sofar08:43
foxbuntusuperm1, I had bendailey change the DNS so it points to mirror.foxmediasystems.com08:43
MitoTranin|Workfoxbuntu: that's what I did in the first place :)08:43
foxbuntuMitoTranin|Work, I would have, but I wasn't planning on having my web site up and in build process yet08:44
bendaileyfoxbuntu: you are making me look bad I told MitoTranin|Work that everyone was using A records and it would be simpler to keep everyone there08:44
foxbuntuso it was just going to be a mirror08:44
foxbuntubendailey, I am special08:44
foxbuntueveryone knows that08:45
MitoTranin|Workbendailey: lol...08:45
foxbuntuA records should be used when they can08:45
MitoTranin|Workus-tx works too... but I'm still getting us-il every now and then08:45
foxbuntubut my hosting service is a little strange08:45
tgm4883_laptopi don't know whos downloading the amd64 from me, but i have to stop for about 20 minutes so i can eat lunch08:45
foxbuntuyou prob need to clear your cache08:45
MitoTranin|Worktgm4883_laptop: if you're seeding the torrent, then I am08:46
tgm4883_laptopi am08:46
DaveMorrisI'm getting them direct, and I'll seed once I have got them08:46
MitoTranin|WorkI didn't have it yet, so I figured I'd download that one via torrent so I could help seed it08:46
tgm4883_laptopi'll be back in about 20-30 minutes08:46
tgm4883_laptopthats fine, just FYI08:46
MitoTranin|WorkI'll just grab it direct then08:46
MitoTranin|Workthanks :)08:46
tgm4883_laptopim at school seeding from my laptop08:46
DaveMorrisports are closed at uni :(08:47
tgm4883_laptopit's also seeding at home, so if it continues after _laptop is out, then your good to go08:47
MitoTranin|Workwell it looks like someone else is seeding it now too, so I'll stay connected08:47
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MitoTranin|Workjust easier to help seed and download at the same time, than just downloading, and then seeding...08:47
pdragon04don't most torrent clients do that by default?08:48
MitoTranin|Workpdragon04: I was refering to direct downloading08:48
MitoTranin|Workthe i386 I downloaded directly last night08:48
MitoTranin|Workthen today I set it up so that it would seed08:49
MitoTranin|Workbut since I don't have an amd64 system, I hadn't downloaded that yet08:49
MitoTranin|Workso instead of downloading it direct, then seeding, I figured I'd just download it via the torrent too :)08:49
pdragon04that works08:50
MitoTranin|Workand on that note, I have to go visit a client08:50
MitoTranin|Worklater all!08:50
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MitoTraninbefore I go, I don't have an account on linuxtracker08:55
MitoTranindoes the invite code do any good?08:55
MitoTraninshould I use someones, or should I just register without it?.08:55
superm1u dont need an acct to download from them08:55
superm1i dont htink08:55
MitoTraninwell, as I was shutting down my laptop, I noticed that my seed had an error in the tracker status08:56
MitoTraninI stoped and restarted the seed, and now it says it's working08:56
superm1oh ok08:56
MitoTraninbut the only thing I can guess to be the reason for the error would have been that I don't have an account.... so.... I figured I'd register :)08:56
MitoTraninwhy does the torrentracker list the homepage as distrowatch.com?08:59
superm1sounds like tgm4883 set something up wrong :)08:59
superm1he'll have to fix that when he gets back08:59
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directhexthere's a distro which cheats & only includes its download link on its distrowatch page, to push up its distrowatch rank. i forget which09:02
superm1Daviey, !09:02
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frank_Is there a newer mythbuntu cd than mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.iso ?09:03
superm1frank_, yes09:03
MitoTraninfrank_: there is as of an hour or so ago :)09:04
superm1we are literally in the process right now of announcing it09:04
superm1frank_, see http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads09:04
superm1that will direct you to the new one09:04
MitoTraninfrank_: http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads09:04
MitoTraninbah, beat me too it...09:04
frank_superm1: I see09:04
MitoTraninok, I'm really going to go now... later all09:05
frank_superm1: MitoTranin: does the new one have networkmanager installed?09:06
superm1frank_, yes09:06
frank_superm1: ok I'll try it when I get the chance09:06
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superm1hey laga09:24
lagalast year for LinuxTag, i remastered knoppmyth and called it MeinMythTV09:25
lagajust got an email from some guy telling me that the tracker is down. ;)09:25
Davieyerm us-il is down!09:26
foxbuntuDaviey, I know09:26
superm1why is it still in the rotation?09:27
lagai referred him to mythdora, knoppmyth and to our first beta instead :)09:27
superm1i thought bendailey disabled it09:27
foxbuntuit shouldnt be09:27
foxbuntubendailey, shut it down09:27
Davieywell i was just redirected there09:27
superm1foxbuntu, when will it be back up?09:28
foxbuntusometime in the next 45 mins - 2 hours09:28
foxbuntuI am only waiting on replication09:28
DavieyI'm ready to announce on drupal09:30
superm1okay should we check with why us-il is still in rotatoin?09:31
superm1or what then09:31
Davieybendailey: ping09:31
lagatake out the borked mirror and announce? or is anything else needed?09:32
superm1hm according to http://www.mythbuntu.org/admin/build/database/table/dl_h_host/view, its not enabled09:33
superm1possibly a bug in the php script not checking for htat?09:33
superm1wait a minute.09:33
superm1ben's script isn't there.09:33
superm1its daviey's09:33
DavieyI don't know the new php script too well09:34
superm1what happened to ben's?09:34
Davieynothin' to do with me09:34
superm1how do things keep getting moved back and forth?09:34
DaveMorrisDaviey: ate it09:34
lagawhy do we have cdimages.mythbuntu.org in there two times?09:34
superm1because it has more priority09:34
DaveMorrisso i takes the bulk09:34
superm1give me a sec, i'll redrop his script in09:35
superm1okay try the download link now09:36
lagaworks here, but gave me add weird phph error the first time i tried it09:36
superm1yeah i fixed that quickly09:36
superm1he had a small typo in it09:36
superm1its only giving me uk. and cdimages.09:37
Davieyno ";"09:37
Davieythey are heavily weighted AIUI09:37
Davieyshall i oublish?09:37
superm1yeah go for it09:37
lagawe made it beta.09:37
superm1that sort of thing can be tweaked09:37
lagai got some us-* mirrors too09:38
superm1okay good09:38
superm1weird how the bloat in the us didn't get any us mirrors though :)09:38
Davieyfeel free to edit it guys!09:38
lagahow many downloads did the alpha get?09:38
Davieyscared to check09:38
Davieyit must be one *HUGE* txt file now09:38
lagaDaviey: um, URL to the forums is missing09:38
lagaurl to launchpad is missing09:39
DaveMorrisno url09:39
lagawonder what went wrong09:39
lagai didnt embed them properly into <a href, it thought you were gonna fix that :)09:40
lagaalso, wth is09:40
laga    * Use the control centre to turn your Mythbuntu box into a full-blown Kubuntu/Ubuntu desktop09:40
laga    * Switch from primary backend to secondary backend09:40
lagadoing in there09:40
laga    * Enable or disable the frontend09:40
Davieystop moaning09:40
superm1Daviey, just title it "beta", we're not planning a beta 209:40
tgm4883_laptopmythbuntu.org is taking forever to load09:40
superm1just planning rc09:40
Davieyhow is that?09:42
superm1yeah good09:42
superm1wait no.09:43
superm1its still in the text too09:43
Davieyi don't follow09:43
lagait's good now09:43
lagaoh, intendation is not correct09:43
lagathe items following that need to be properly intended09:43
superm1Daviey, in the text you still say beta 109:44
superm1not just beta09:44
DaveMorristhe url to the bug with quit button in xfce is missing09:44
tgm4883_laptopDo we have a digg article yet?09:44
superm1also missing the mentions of being able to install directly from gutsy09:44
superm1there is a diggit button on the bottom09:44
Davieytgm4883_laptop: no09:45
tgm4883_laptopwell how can I digg it then?09:45
DaveMorrisI've blogged it, just about to update facebook09:45
superm1click http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/6709:45
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superm1and then there is a diggit09:45
tgm4883_laptopI know, I just wanted to know if someone else was doing that or should I?09:46
superm1oh go for it09:46
Davieytgm4883_laptop: go fot it09:46
tgm4883_laptopcause the first one makes the story on digg09:46
superm1'connect 4'09:46
tgm4883_laptopnow everybody digg it09:48
tgm4883_laptopdigg it good09:48
lagai'm gonna tell some german websites about it09:48
=== pdragon04 diggs it
lagai lost the password to my digg acountr09:48
foxbuntuwho has the digg link?09:48
foxbuntuor is it not up yet09:48
tgm4883_laptopthats ok laga, i hacked your digg account and subscribed you to some bad things09:48
lagatgm4883_laptop: "bad" or "naughty"?09:49
tgm4883_laptopthe authorities should be checking up on you shortly09:49
=== foxbuntu did the naughty stuff
superm1well congrats guys on getting this out finally :)09:50
tgm4883_laptoptime for a break :)09:50
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lagatgm4883_laptop: break? i was gonna hack on mcc a bit :)09:51
foxbuntusuperm1, thanks...I did all the hard work...and it shows!09:51
DaveMorrissuperm1: now that's all done, I've finshed those opensg changes I needed, if your happy with it all I'd like to push it towards the main repo's09:51
lagayes, congratulations guys. we did a good job i think :)09:51
tgm4883_laptopwell, break for everyone but you laga09:51
foxbuntuyes indeed...better things to come, the hard work is paying off09:51
tgm4883_laptopyou can't take a break until 12.1009:51
tgm4883_laptopFYI, ^^^ is Ubuntu 12.1009:52
tgm4883_laptopnot Oct 12th or Dec 10th09:52
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superm1DaveMorris, is it a new upstream version?09:53
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superm1or is it already in the archive with that version09:53
DaveMorrissuperm1: the last release they did was in 04, cvs branch has just had bug fixes whilst they work on unstable, so no new release yet.  Should I do the release from 04 or cvs from stable?09:54
DaveMorrisit's not in the archives yet09:54
superm1DaveMorris, well if its not in the archives, the NEW deadline has already passed09:54
superm1it will have to live on your PPA for now, but once hardy opens up we can push it there09:54
DaveMorrisok I'll work on a dbg version of it as well for developers09:55
tgm4883_laptoptoo bad it's already 1:00 PM PST09:58
tgm4883_laptopbasically have to wait 2 days to get some real data of the beta release from google analytics09:59
lagaguys, i think there's something wrong with the website for old news items:09:59
lagaone is for alpha 2, the other for alpha 309:59
lagawith the same text09:59
superm1well that text is long gone09:59
superm1so i say oh well09:59
lagawell, i was gonna use it as a reference for mythbuntu features.. oh well10:00
lagajust hope the DB is intact10:00
superm1me too10:01
directhexpfft, as if anything important would use a database as the back-end10:01
directhexthat's a recipe for disaster!10:01
superm1someone really needs to update the wikipedia page10:02
superm1its pretty bland10:02
superm1and has an old screenshot10:03
lagasuperm1: it probably happened when transitioning from one webhost to the other one10:03
tgm4883_laptopthe transition wasn't exactly a nice one10:07
lagahows imbrandon, btw10:07
tgm4883_laptopwas the db even brought over?10:07
tgm4883_laptopheh, we should shoot imbrandon an email and see where he is on getting us that backup :)10:08
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superm1i made a thread on the forums for people to post hardware: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56652910:15
superm1so hopefully that fills up10:15
superm1tgm4883, how is the wiki looking?10:15
superm1we still on schedule for that?10:15
superm1DaveMorris, what about the TeX doc, how is that looking?10:15
superm1still on schedule?10:15
tgm4883_laptopi'm going to run through it again soon and see if some issue got cleaned up10:16
superm1great awesome10:16
lagasuperm1: i bet uit'll fill up with "help! my video projector doesn't show up in /dev/dvb/"10:16
lagasuperm1: "With the release of the beta today, the amount of changes that can be made are likely limited to bug fixes."10:16
superm1bad wording?10:16
lagabah, won't i get to add my maintenance tab tp mcc? :/10:16
superm1well yeah10:16
superm1but dont tell anyone10:16
lagai'll mark most stuff as experimental.10:17
DaveMorrisI've not touched it for a while tbh10:17
tgm4883_laptopsuperm1, you should add a notes part so people will think to add anything that may be important10:19
superm1tgm4883_laptop, on that sticky?10:19
superm1well i really want that thread to be a clear cut working/not working10:19
superm1don't need more than that10:19
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tgm4883_laptopor maybe rename performance10:19
tgm4883_laptopah ok10:19
superm1because if its not working, getting it to work is probably not going to happen10:20
tgm4883_laptopI was just thinking about what im going to write about firewire10:20
superm1given we've only got about a week and a half here10:20
tgm4883_laptopwhich works and doesn't :)10:20
superm1oh firewire10:20
tgm4883_laptopor maybe something works10:20
tgm4883_laptopbut something had to be done to get it to work10:20
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foxbuntubendailey, ping10:21
foxbuntusuperm1, ping10:22
superm1is your mirror live again?10:22
foxbuntumy server is back online10:22
superm1okay it should be back in the rotation now10:22
foxbuntuI don't think bendailey got the DNS correct though10:23
foxbuntuits right10:23
foxbuntudrupal just gets all freaky over it10:24
foxbuntuI will have to find a way for it to ignore that traffic10:24
foxbuntutgm4883, digg me up!10:25
foxbuntuI dugg you up!10:25
tgm4883_laptopoh you did not10:26
tgm4883_laptopi dugg you tough10:26
foxbuntutgm4883_laptop, I did too!10:27
tgm4883_laptopinteresting, now neither show any diggs10:28
foxbuntudigg is being stupid10:28
foxbuntuunless someone dugg us down10:28
lagaprobably to avoid spamming10:28
foxbuntulaga, did it!10:28
lagait was the lolcat10:31
tgm4883_laptopyay, quiz time gotta go10:32
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hansoffate|workI dugg the article10:38
hansoffate|workand dug both of you up10:39
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Davieyfoxbuntu: you know about vhosts right?10:40
lagahansoffate|work: suck-up10:40
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foxbuntuDaviey, indeed10:41
foxbuntuwhats up?10:41
Davieyfoxbuntu: ^ your problem with dns10:42
foxbuntuDaviey, I actually don't have access to create a vhost on my hosting service10:43
foxbuntuso I added a subdomain and had bendailey create a cname pointer to it10:43
bendaileyfoxbuntu: do you want your mirror reactivated?10:44
foxbuntuand moved the data into a directory from there10:44
foxbuntubendailey, I think superm1 already did10:44
bendaileyfoxbuntu: yep I see that now10:45
foxbuntuif you browse to that link it will fail because of drupal...however the files work and if you go to the actual host file browsing works as well10:45
Davieythat's good 'nuff10:46
foxbuntuI will fix the drupal error at a later date10:46
foxbuntuwho would like to join in my little reverse engineering project? :)10:47
lagadoes it involve chainsaws?10:47
lagaor kittehs!10:47
lagathat's an XOR, btw.10:48
foxbuntui don't think C++ code responds well to them10:48
superm1foxbuntu, its not really reverse engineering10:48
superm1its looking at code10:48
superm1and adapting10:48
foxbuntusuperm1, shhh10:48
superm1reverse engineering is taking a binary and working backwards10:48
foxbuntuyour ruining it10:48
superm1you should be able to handle it10:48
foxbuntuI am already starting to grasp how he made that work10:49
foxbuntujust gotta spend more time one10:49
Davieywhats that then?10:49
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foxbuntubecause your sneaky10:50
Davieysuperm1: I have to agree10:50
foxbuntuDaviey, I am working on building a theme engine like Mice for Xfce to animate our splash10:50
DavieyYou appear out of knowhere!10:50
Davieyfoxbuntu: which splash?10:50
foxbuntuthe Xfce Login Splash10:50
Davieywondered if you were talking about the usplash10:51
foxbuntunaw...although on that one, troy_s has a contact that supposidly can do it in the USplash10:51
Davieycool... the animaitions that usplash currently supports is pretty poor10:52
directhexX-based init!10:53
foxbuntuthere in lies the limitations of USplash10:53
foxbuntuthe real problem is the overhead required to do that up front10:53
foxbuntuyou would have to pre-load, vid drivers, X, GDM, and all depends10:54
foxbuntuwhich is not really worth it10:54
lagai think read hat 9 did that10:54
lagaor fedora10:54
directhexfedora definitely did it10:55
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directhexit's pure evil, that's wht it's so tempting!10:55
directhexhell, force a 640x480 vesafb, and use a special xorg.conf which uses directfb. there you go, all the power of x!10:55
foxbuntuthen your still limited at 16 color palletes like it is now10:56
foxbuntuand you only gain minute animation abilities10:56
directhexhmm. we need opengl-based init!10:57
directhexever see that movie "hackerS" :p10:57
foxbuntudirecthex, if you can figure out a low over head way to make it work...you will be the most loved man in the community10:58
directhexi can't think of anything that would work on any hardware10:59
lagajust use directfb directly10:59
lagaand fsck X10:59
directhexlaga, and use which lib to make it unshit to write for?11:00
lagado you want a c# wrapper?11:05
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directhexlaga, hey, i'd *love* a c# wrapper!11:14
lagaget coding then11:14
directhexlaga, what am i wrapping again?11:15
lagadirectfb wrapper11:16
directhexlaga, hey, you can use libcairo-directfb2 and libmono-cairo2.0-cil to make it even easier!11:17
lagawhy did you just say "you" ;)11:17
directhexlaga, i'm more of an "ideas" person!11:17
directhexi delegate where required. that's called management!11:18
lagasuperm1: ping.11:21
lagait'd be fun if ICMP had a volume setting11:22
foxbuntulaga, that would be bad11:24
foxbuntuthink of people like me with a setting like that11:24
lagayours would be squeaky11:25
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spoky99hi all11:25
foxbuntuon that note...time to make like a Tree and leave11:25
spoky99I have a problem during the halt of mytbuntu11:26
spoky99two problem11:26
spoky99I need make restart the computer using scpi11:27
spoky99but when I shutdown mythtv they don't write the $time variable11:28
spoky99someone know the problem?11:28
lagahave you checked both the ubuntu wiki and wiki.mythtv.org on that problem?11:29
lagathere's a  lot of documentation available11:29
spoky99I search it!!11:29
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tgm4883_laptopwoohoo, i'm seeding like a mofo11:30
MythbuntuGuest24question for all you mythtv experts11:30
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)11:30
MythbuntuGuest24haha ok11:30
MythbuntuGuest24i plan on making a media server before the end of this year11:31
spoky99laga: I'm searcing it using google.. but is not easy, I find a lot of thing but..11:31
camelreefhello again everyone11:31
MythbuntuGuest24it will host videos files of all sorts11:31
camelreefhow did the release go ?11:31
directhexa media server, eh?11:31
MythbuntuGuest24later on i plan on making a htpc11:31
MythbuntuGuest24how would i go about streaming all the video files from teh server to the htpc11:31
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MythbuntuGuest24can i run ubuntu on the backend of the server and use mythbuntu on the htpc?11:32
tgm4883_laptopMythbuntuGuest24, the easiest way (and IMHO, the best way) is to make the HTPC (frontend or frontend/backend) use NFS and mount the media shares locally11:32
camelreefI have just had my first experience with the upstream "friendly" MythTV dev community11:32
camelreefI dared open a ticket11:32
directhexMythbuntuGuest24, ideally, you don't want to have an "htpc" and "server"11:32
tgm4883_laptopdirecthex, what?11:33
MythbuntuGuest24why is that?11:33
camelreef!bug 13653311:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136533 in mythtv "OSD fonts badly rendered when watching 16:9 TV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13653311:33
MythbuntuGuest24because i plan to share the files to other pcs in the LAN11:33
directhexMythbuntuGuest24, mythtv is client-server. put the tv cards, and mythbackend, into the server11:33
directhexMythbuntuGuest24, then you can use a low-noise wife-friendly frontend or twelve11:33
tgm4883_laptopdirecthex, semantics11:34
MythbuntuGuest24but i also understand that mythbuntu is easier to use correct?11:34
directhextgm4883, you'd have an nfs server and a mythtv machine separately?11:34
MythbuntuGuest24so can i use mythbuntu as frontend and just use mythtv as a backend11:34
tgm4883_laptopMythbuntuGuest24, directhex is correct.  Ideally, what you want is to have your backend be seperate, in the other room.  Then have frontends that can be smaller and quieter located around connected via the network11:35
camelreefGuest24, mythbuntu is ubuntu with MythTV neatly packaged and can be used for both back and frontend11:35
directhexideally. except in my house, where the only working aerial socket is next to the tv :/11:36
tgm4883_laptopMythbuntuGuest24, if you are just planning on running mythtv on these systems then yes, install mythbuntu11:36
directhexhence the 8-disk noisy system11:36
MythbuntuGuest24on the server/backend i plan on using it as a filer server and a print server as well11:36
tgm4883_laptopdirecthex, yes you are correct in your setup, I was more pointing out the answer to the question, not talking about ideal setups11:37
tgm4883_laptopMythbuntuGuest24, i'd still install mythbuntu then if I were you11:37
tgm4883_laptopthat should be easily setup from within XFCE11:37
MythbuntuGuest24sounds good11:37
MythbuntuGuest24also you guys recommend 64bit or 32bit?11:38
directhexdoesn't really matter11:38
directhex64-bit should do transcodey things faster11:38
tgm4883_laptopwow, i'm seeding at 1.5Mbps11:38
camelreefI would say 32 if you intent to play VC-1 HD content properly11:38
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef, why is that?11:38
MythbuntuGuest24i dont plan on making the htpc until later on11:38
MythbuntuGuest24maybe a year or so11:39
tgm4883_laptopi'd go with whatever your hardware supports11:39
camelreefI have 64bit and have to strugle with ffmpeg's implementation when the win32codecs couls word=k better11:39
directhexMythbuntuGuest24, so you can patch in support for closed-source windows binary codecs like coreavc11:39
directhexMythbuntuGuest24, i'd not use that as a major plus-point personally11:39
camelreefbut the win64codecs do not have the vc-1 (=wmv9) dll11:39
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camelreefwell, I would say properly displayed 1080p HD without tearing is a plus point11:40
camelreefbut I'm in prod in 64 bit and probably would do better with 3211:40
tgm4883_laptopNote: WMV9 codecs on amd64 currently seem to work only in VLC, the latest version of Mplayer (>= Version 1.0rc1), and Xine.11:40
tgm4883_laptopit's not contained in there ^^^?11:41
camelreefI have mplayer from svn11:41
directhexcamelreef, how much *legit* vc1 playback is anyone going to be doing on linux?11:41
camelreefand it plays with the ffmpeg implementation, just sub-par11:41
camelreefdirecthex, shhhhhhhh11:41
camelreefther is zero legit, that's for sure11:42
MythbuntuGuest24alright guys thanks for your help11:42
camelreefwin32codecs is certainly not legit either11:42
directhexi don't use it!11:42
directhexhaven't had problems for a while, actually11:42
camelreefI do, enough said for me :o)11:43
camelreefnow, my mythfrontend logs have stopped in /var/log/mythtv ! aaaargh !11:43
camelreefand upstream mythtv is a pain11:44
DaveMorriswin32codecs are legit if you have an unsed copy of Windows XP :)11:45
camelreefhmmm, I do have one, OK11:45
camelreefgood enough11:46
camelreefrarely used11:46
camelreefI still have a dual boot machine for photography work11:46
camelreefcolor management and all11:46
camelreefso, what about those logs ?11:47
camelreefthey are back in ~/.xsessions-errors11:47
camelreef2 changes on my system that could have cause it11:49
camelreef1. move to a new user11:49
camelreef2. a mythtv packages update 1 or 2 days ago11:49
camelreef3. the session change from openbox to xfce11:49
camelreefso that's 3 possible reasons11:50
lagagod i hate hacking on the control centre11:51
lagacamelreef: hum11:51
lagacamelreef: can you find out how mythfrontend is started please? or bug DaveMorris or superm1 to tell ya11:52
DaveMorrisbtw the screenshot on wikipedia for mythbunu needs updating, but I don't know how to do that11:52
DaveMorriscamelreef: whats the contents of .xsession-errors?11:52
tgm4883_laptopDaveMorris, I'll see what I can do for that11:53
camelreefI have the mythfrontend.desktop on ~/.config/autostart11:53
camelreefand the .desktop file has a dry Exec=mythfrontend11:54
DaveMorrisI think you need to regestiored for it, grab the screen shots from http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/3 I guess11:54
camelreefif this is where you want to specify output redirection11:54
DaveMorristo create logs11:55
camelreefDaveMorris, uh?11:55
DaveMorrissorry my system almost froze and was very slow11:56
DaveMorrisI'm not sure what your trying to do11:56
camelreefDaveMorris, .xsession-ewrrors has all the output that was going to /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log11:56
camelreefthat's ~/.xsessions-errors for the user running mythfrontend11:57
camelreefI have the mythfrontend.desktop on ~/.config/autostart11:58
camelreefand the .desktop file has a dry Exec=mythfrontend11:58
DaveMorristry changing 'Exec=mythfrontend' to 'Exec=mythfrontend >  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log'11:58
DaveMorrisbut before hand what does 'touch  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log' give you when you put that into a term11:59
camelreefjust confirming, you want me to edit by hand the following file: /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop11:59
DaveMorrisyeah, if you could11:59
camelreefI already deleted /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log and touched it again, then double-checked perms12:00
DaveMorrisoh, it should prob be '>>' rather than '>'12:00
camelreef-rw-rw-r--  1 mythtv    mythtv         0 2007-10-03 19:37 mythfrontend.log12:00
lagawait a second :)12:00
camelreefit was not filling when I did the delete/touch/perms12:00
camelreeflaga ?12:01
lagaIMHO, the desktop icon shouldn't log to a file.. i tend to think of /var/log/mythtv as a location for service/daemon logs. however, if it's automatically started it should clearly be logging to that file12:01
lagawhere has startmythtv.sh gone?!12:01
camelreeflaga, so where should that be set ?12:02
lagai have no clue12:02
DaveMorrisIt's coz it's been moved to xfce with the way xfce starts programs12:02
lagait looks like i won't be entirely happy with the move to xfce.12:02
lagaespecially wrt memory usage12:02
DaveMorriswhich is why you can now log out of mythtv and edit your settings on the desktop12:02
camelreefwhat was the logic behinf the xfce move, btw ?12:02
lagai have yet to get some sane numbers, but 128M in XFCE alone is insane.12:02
DaveMorrislaga I run xfce on my 366mhz 128MB laptop no prob, so it's not heavy or anything12:03
lagaDaveMorris: i'll have to get some figures12:03
camelreefoh, this is where my RAM has gone ! I had noticed that I started to swap a bit12:04
DaveMorriscamelreef: looks and feels alot more like kde/gnome which most people are used to, an applet so we can use the network manager thing for wireless networks12:04
DaveMorrislinux will use all your ram up anyway, as it won't bother clearing stuff till it needs it again, I've allways running with 2GB used at work, although the swap never gets touched12:05
camelreefwhat's wrong with sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces? ;o)12:05
camelreefnah nah nah, I understand RAM use and caching, less swapping when not needed12:05
lagaDaveMorris: i was already looking at the numbers w/o cache :)12:06
DaveMorriswell like I said I run it on my 3 laptops ranging from the one mention above upto a 650mhz 256mb machine and they all are surprising responsive, and I can easily do my browsing and everything (OOo is a bitch though)12:07
pdragon04woo finally home and downloading beta12:08
camelreeftry changing 'Exec=mythfrontend' to 'Exec=mythfrontend >>  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log' nope, not working12:08
DaveMorrisno logging or dosen't run?12:09
lagaDaveMorris: OOo is always a bitch12:09
DaveMorriscan you put ` at either end12:09
DaveMorrislike Exec=`mythfrontend >>  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log`12:09
camelreefnot logging, I get "Invalid argument: >>" in the ~/.xsession-errors12:09
camelreeflemme try12:10
camelreefwith single quotes12:10
DaveMorristhe ` tell it to run it all as one command12:10
DaveMorrisnote it's ` not '12:11
camelreefback quotes12:12
camelreef** (xfce4-session:9577): WARNING **: Unable to launch "`mythfrontend >> /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log`" (specified by autostart/mythtv.desktop): Failed to execute child process "`mythfrontend" (No such file or directory)12:13
camelreefsame as with the single quotes12:13
lagaought to fix this properly :)12:14
camelreefback to the >> invalid arg with "12:14
camelreefwrapper startup script ?12:15
lagaDaveMorris: get some of the magic of startmythtv.sh back into place.12:15
spoky99laga: I search into the official faq and.. I find other things12:15
DaveMorrisor I cna look at it proparly rather than talking to my g/f :)12:15
camelreef startmythtv.sh sounds like a wrapper script to me :o)12:15
DaveMorristhere is a --logfile flag which you can pass in12:16
spoky99laga: about the time variable and the log-out or halt of mythbackend12:16
ubotuNew bug: #148756 in lirc (main) "lirc_gpio module cannot be loaded in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14875612:16
camelreefok, so the logs issue is in good hands12:16
camelreefnext topic12:16
camelreefDaveMorris, stop having a life, and get us logs, dammit ! :o)12:17
camelreefnext topic:12:17
camelreef!bug 13653312:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136533 in mythtv "OSD fonts badly rendered when watching 16:9 TV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13653312:17
spoky99laga: I see that the $time variable is write only if the back end end one programmed record12:17
camelreefmythtv upstream has difficult people12:17
lagacamelreef: yeah..12:17
spoky99laga: I made some mistake12:17
lagaspoky99: is it working now?12:18
camelreefI'm trying to fight my way through on the mailing list, though, but I may need backup support12:18
lagacamelreef: -dev?12:18
camelreefI understand FAQs, google, mailing list archives, etc... but....12:19
spoky99laga: O_o the mediacenter?.. no is at home :(12:19
camelreeflaga, nah, -users, probably a mistake12:19
camelreefbut the upstream ticket got closed in 5mn12:19
camelreeflaga, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-October/197741.html12:19
lagaspoky99: i don't understand what you're trying to tell me then, sorry. howeer, i'm not an expert when it comes to that stuff, maybe you should ask on the mythtv-users mailing list12:20
lagacamelreef: i try to stay away from -users, but i'll read it later12:20
camelreefsure, go get insulted over there....12:20
camelreefas recomended in launchpad, I went and openned my ticket, it is closed now...12:21
camelreefwhet would you recommend now ?12:21
lagacamelreef: it was me who recommended that.12:21
camelreefpersevere in -users or go to -dev ?12:21
DaveMorriscamelreef: got a link to the ticket?12:21
camelreefand marked as upstream bug un launchpad12:21
lagacamelreef: michael t dean is "sphery" on irc, one of the ymthtv devs AFAIK.12:21
lagacamelreef: he brought up your problem in #mythtv-dev earlier, asking if it was possible to backport a fix.12:22
camelreefis that on @mythtv on this network ?12:22
camelreefaaaah !12:22
spoky99laga: I trying to make mythbuntu restart for one programmed record using acpi, I tryed the script12:22
lagaspoky99: i do realize that, but i can't help you with that, i'm sorry.12:23
lagacamelreef: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-October/197779.html12:23
DaveMorriscamelreef: basically they closed it as it's a support question, rather than a bug with mythtv as such.12:23
laga22:39 < sphery> Chutt: Do you think your "Xinerama for recent versions of X" fix ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14520 ) is good for -fixes?  There's a user who seems to be affected by it who was arguing with Daniel on Trac about the validity of his ticket.12:24
laga22:41 < sphery> I think it would be much easier to get him to configure his system correctly if that issue were fixed in -fixes.12:24
spoky99laga: escuse me :) I understood that you don't understand me... my for my bad english :)12:24
lagaspoky99: heh, sorry. yes, i understood your problem but i can't help you with it :) there are other places who can. no worries, your english is fine12:24
camelreeflaga, thanks for this12:24
camelreefI replied to his message, though12:25
camelreefand tried stuff12:25
spoky99laga: thanks!12:25
lagacamelreef: no worries, your issue will likely get fixed12:25
spoky99laga: I thunk that was a problem of mythbuntu and... not of mythtv :)12:25
lagaspoky99: it's a general linux question rather :)12:26
camelreefsupport issue, not a bug, but discussing about something for -fixes... logical! how dumb can I be? ;o)12:26
camelreeflaga, cool12:26
lagacamelreef: looks like a communication problem upstream :)12:26
camelreefnow if that getrs fixed, I'm a happy man !12:27
lagacamelreef: interestingly enough, i can see the xinerama option too on my single head setup12:27
camelreefmine is single head too12:27
camelreefnada xinerama setup wilingly12:27
camelreefanyway, thanks guys for the support and mythbuntu12:28
lagano problem12:28
camelreefbed time around my part of Scotland12:28
lagapast bed time in germany ;)12:28
lagahavent had dinenr yet, though12:29
camelreefgotta love opensource and the Internet12:29
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laga99% porn, 1% open source12:29
lagathe internet, that is12:29
lagacamelreef: lucky stomach. g'night :)12:29
camelreefnight night12:29
pdragon04hmm... my torrent is saying the tracker is down. going really slow now12:35
lagatgm4883: ping ^^12:36
DaveMorriswell I've fixed the logging issue, I'll work out what package I need to fix tomorrow and get it built12:38
lagahow did ya fix it12:41
DaveMorrisin the usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop file I added --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log to the exec bit12:42
DaveMorristhen created the mythtv dir and changed owner:group to mythtv and gave group write permissions12:42
DaveMorrismythtv in /usr/log that is12:42
lagadont do that12:43
DaveMorrishow come?12:43
lagathe packages are doing that, IIRC12:43
lagalemme check12:43
DaveMorrisnot on my system, the dir didn't exist12:43
lagahum, i think it only does in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend12:43
lagawhich we're not using anymore12:43
lagaDaveMorris: so, how does the user go about starting mythwelcome?12:44
DaveMorriswhats mythwelcome?12:44
DaveMorrisI've just checked12:44
DaveMorriswe basically need to add it to the menu's which are shipped12:45
lagasome nice frontend to the frontend which will be started if a combined frontend/backend starts up automagically for a recording12:45
lagauseful for automagic shutdown, too12:45
DaveMorrisand we also need to pass in the same logfile flag and variables12:46
lagawhat menus?12:46
lagamythwelcome doesnt really support many flags, AFAIK12:47
lagacheck startmythtv.sh how i did it12:47
DaveMorristhe applications->multimedia->12:47
lagawhat about autostart? how can the user choose what to start automagically?12:48
DaveMorrisI'm guessing that should be in the m-c-c12:48
lagaused to me /etc/mythtv/session-settings12:49
lagaerr, be12:49
lagawhere you could also set stuff like verbosity flags12:49
DaveMorrisI know xfce has support for auto starting your gnome/kde settings12:49
DaveMorriss/settings/auto start applications12:50
tgm4883laga: pong12:50
DaveMorrisI see what you mean about mythwelcome flags, thats nasty12:50
lagatgm4883: pdragon04 has a problem with the tracker12:50
tgm4883pdragon04, what client do you use?12:50
DaveMorrisI've got tracker error 312:50
pdragon04it's downloading fast now, but azureus is saying the tracker is down12:51
DaveMorriswith azerus, bbut it's still uploading12:51
pdragon04other torrents are running fine12:51
tgm4883DaveMorris, pdragon04, is this for both torrents?12:51
DaveMorrisamd64 here12:51
pdragon04i'm only doing i38612:51
DaveMorrisi386 says OK (dht:) for me12:52
DaveMorris/fraking emoticons12:52
lagaDaveMorris: cant we just execute startmythtv.sh in that icon? or make two .desktop files, one for a more daemon-ish behaviour?12:54
DaveMorriscan do, not sure which way superm1 wants to go.  But I need to goto bed as I'm shattered and was gonna go 90 mins ago12:54
lagaDaveMorris: oh, sorry. sleep well!12:55
lagaAutomatic Login & Artwork Change automatic login from [Disabled]  to [Deaktiviert] .12:56
lagai think this sounds like trouble.12:56
hansoffate|workI got a question about HD.  If I got an HDMI slot and a DVI slot, is there any difference between the two?  I heard that DVI is actually better to use then HDMI when going from a graphics card.12:56
pdragon04finished downloading the torrent and it changed to being up12:56
pdragon04oop... nope dht tracker12:57
DaveMorrishdmi does audio and drm12:57
hansoffate|workDaveMorris i just got a video card for my HTPC that supports HDMI, SVIDEO, and DVI.  which would you suggest I use?12:58
hansoffate|workobviously the video card won't transfer the audio over HDMI, so I guess i'll have to hook up my audio analog12:59
lagathere are some cards which can do that, btw01:00
lagausing some special cable01:00
tgm4883pdragon04, DaveMorris how is the tracker now?01:02
pdragon04giving Tracker error 301:05
tgm4883how strange01:05
pdragon04on a dht tracker now01:05
tgm4883I just booted up my laptop, I'm getting everything fine on my laptop, but tracker 3 errors on my desktop01:05
pdragon04someone on the dht has a kickass upload speed so i didn't mind after a little while :)01:06
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tgm4883hmm, the linux tracker site is pretty slow right now too01:08
Davieyhansoffate|work: my HDMI card does sound IIRC01:09
hansoffate|workif i recall/remember correctly?01:15
hansoffate|workgood to know01:15
hansoffate|workim going to try to set this up this weekend01:15
DavieyI used DVI atm, as i don't have a HDMI cable :)01:16
Davieybut when i borrowed one, i'm sure it worked01:16
hansoffate|workdid you have to hook up your mobo and video card with spdif?01:16
hansoffate|workand the current nvidia drivers will wirk?01:16
Davieyerm, the mobo has onboard HDMI :)01:17
hansoffate|workwhat mobo?01:17
Davieylemme check01:17
DavieyMSI K9AGM2-FIH01:18
Davieyjust checked a review... does carry sound01:19
DavieyThere was no (obvious) difference between hdmi and dvi tho01:20
hansoffate|workthanks, if I can get this working this weekend.  I am brining it to a friends house to use his HDTV and hook it up.  If it works, he wants me to build him a Mythtv HD system01:20
DavieyHD system... hmm - make sure it has the horse power01:20
lagasuperm1: ping.01:20
hansoffate|workfor his build, i may try a mobo that supports HDMI01:20
hansoffate|workbut i think it may need the dedicated videocard for HDMI to take the load off the CPU01:21
directhexlots of horsies needed01:21
directhexwell. depends on whether it's mpeg2 or h26401:21

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