[11:36] <DiggThis> anyone know how to use the config of the remote control?
[11:37] <DiggThis> Is there anyone in this room other than the users listed?
[11:41] <DiggThis> anyone having problems with beta?
[12:05] <DaveMorris> I'm around between classes, but you've left now
[12:54] <Daviey> DaveMorris: Am i correct in saying the ISO's on http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/  are the ones ready for beta-release?
[12:58] <laga> DaveMorris: i dont have a quit button using my german locale. what to do?
[12:59] <Daviey> run for the hills
[01:55] <laga> Daviey: ping
[01:56] <laga> Daviey: so, let's write the announcement
[02:09] <DaveMorris> laga http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/59 is what the livecd looks like, an install has the quit at the bottom as well
[02:10] <laga> DaveMorris: i know. but it doesn't work in my german locale.
[02:10] <DaveMorris> does the help button load help or quit?
[02:10] <laga> that screenshot i gave to you was from a beta 1 install.
[02:10] <laga> lets try that
[02:10] <laga> damn, i booted the RT kernel
[02:10] <DaveMorris> might be a translation problem (Hopes so)
[02:10] <laga> thaT's rolly gonna crash my box...
[02:11] <laga> ohy, no crash. cool.
[02:11] <laga> okay, but it's slow as hell. sigh :/
[02:11] <laga> i'm gonna test later if you don't mind
[02:12] <DaveMorris> np, I'm gonna grab some lunch between classes
[02:41] <Daviey> laga: pong
[02:41] <laga> so
[02:42] <laga> wanna help
[02:44] <Daviey> sure
[02:45] <Daviey> "[ubuntu-mythtv]  Call for testing on beta disk" seems pretty solid
[02:45] <Daviey> can you think of much extra to add?
[02:45] <Daviey> Other than the 'boilerplate' - "We are happy to blah...
[02:46] <laga> yeah
[02:46] <laga> i did that already
[02:46] <laga> i just got sidetracked in the bug tracker
[02:46] <laga> need to weed out some closed bugs to compile a list of known problems
[02:47] <Daviey> yeah, that was good last time
[02:48] <laga> bah
[02:48] <laga> lots of stuff
[02:49] <laga> can you set up a multiplayer notepad thingamajic again
[02:49] <laga> also, we need some more milestones in launchpad
[02:49] <laga> eg, 7.10 final
[02:50] <Daviey> bah.. i was suprised to only see a few bugs - then i realised i was looking at bugs assigned to the team, rather than the proj.  :(
[02:50] <laga> 25 open bugs
[02:50] <laga> can you set up a mile stone?
[02:50] <laga> not sure if i have permissions to do that
[02:51] <Daviey> i would think you do
[02:52] <laga> ok
[02:54] <laga> no i dont think so
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #133634 in mythbuntu "lirc is installed with mythtv-backend" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133634
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134084 in mythbuntu "ofdp.pl is not working" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134084
[02:56] <Daviey> laga: we gave a milestone amed 'beta'
[02:56] <Daviey> *named
[02:57] <laga> yes
[02:57] <laga> but since beta is already out there...
[02:57] <Daviey> oh
[03:03] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[03:06] <Daviey> pong
[03:06] <Daviey> bendailey: ^
[03:07] <bendailey> sorry I worked with superm1 on the script last night it isn't live yet is it?
[03:07] <laga> i wonder why the fsck i cant change importance on some bugs
[03:07] <Daviey> bendailey: dunno
[03:07] <Daviey> i just saw it was different, so left it
[03:09] <bendailey> ok
[03:09] <bendailey> it does look like mine is live
[03:09] <bendailey> what is the bandwidth available at us-ca/month?
[03:10] <Daviey> bendailey: erm.. variable
[03:11] <laga> 22 bugs left...
[03:11] <bendailey> ok the script does weighting based on bandwidth
[03:11] <Daviey> bendailey: > 400Gb's
[03:11] <bendailey> Daviey: so if I set you to 400GB/mon in the db you should be safe?
[03:11] <Daviey> yep
[03:12] <Daviey> So if it exceeds 400Gb/month - i will get no further requests?
[03:13] <bendailey> no it won't kill it at 400 but the script is structured so all mirrors should run out of bandwidth at the same time
[03:18] <laga> 20 bugs left *sigh*
[03:19] <Daviey> bendailey: cool
[03:19] <Daviey> would it be worth adding a 'hard rule' ?
[03:19] <Daviey> if it exceeds X, then no further traffic?
[03:20] <bendailey> The db has an active field for the host all that need be done is flip the field to zero and it stops getting traffic
[03:20] <bendailey> I can only track hits and not actual bandwidth so hard rule would be hard to determine
[03:21] <bendailey> does anyone know when the announcement is going to hit the site?
[03:22] <Daviey> this eening methinks
[03:22] <Daviey> evening*
[03:22] <bendailey> ok I look forward to seeing the hits flow in
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130924 in mythbuntu "Add additional package: dvb-utils" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130924
[03:26] <Daviey> i need to pop into the lab, brb
[04:10] <MythbuntuGuest29> hi, i am not using mythbuntu but ubuntu with manuelly mythtv installed
[04:10] <MythbuntuGuest29> first i had one dvb-t usb card
[04:10] <MythbuntuGuest29> now i connected a second
[04:10] <MythbuntuGuest29> how to activate it? i have completed the backend setup but the status is:
[04:11] <MythbuntuGuest29> Encoder 2 is remote on TV (currently not connected).
[04:12] <laga> "remote" means that it's on a slave backend
[04:18] <MythbuntuGuest29> hm yes, but i've connected it on the master
[04:18] <MythbuntuGuest29> but one moment i think i got it
[04:29] <rhpot1991> my boxes do that when the slave comes up before the master
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest29> i have no slave
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest29> master is the frontend
[04:34] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest29, did you rerun mythtv-setup on the master?
[04:34] <rhpot1991> so you have one tuner and its in the same box as the backend?
[04:38] <MythbuntuGuest29> i habe 2 tuner
[04:38] <MythbuntuGuest29> both tvb-t
[04:38] <MythbuntuGuest29> dvb-t
[04:38] <MythbuntuGuest29> but i connected just today the second
[04:39] <MythbuntuGuest29> mythtv-setup? is it the setup for the backend?
[04:39] <MythbuntuGuest29> I am currently running the channel-scan
[04:40] <laga> you probably forgot to connect it to a video source
[04:41] <laga> if both dvb-t devices get the sammel channels, you can conenct them to the same video source
[04:41] <laga> anyways, i'm off
[04:41] <MythbuntuGuest29> yes, thats what i am testing, first i have created a new source
[04:41] <MythbuntuGuest29> and just right now i am trying the same source for both
[04:42] <MythbuntuGuest29> but i am not sure, maybe one channel won't be found on a stick because of the tiny antenna(?), will mythtv recognize this?
[04:43] <MythbuntuGuest29> sry for my englisch :D
[04:44] <laga> oh, a kraut :P
[04:45] <laga> there's also #mythtv-de
[05:04] <tgm4883> laga, are we just waiting on me for the beta?
[05:04] <laga> regarding the mirror
[05:04] <tgm4883> the torrent
[05:05] <laga> i'm waiting for superm1 to show up so he can post the release notes once Daviey finishes it
[05:05] <tgm4883> ok
[05:06] <tgm4883> i'm in email discussions with the tracker dev, but everything he has suggested has come up nothing
[05:06] <laga> so it boils down to suckage on your part?
[05:06] <tgm4883> I have to leave for class in about 30 min.  think superm1 will be back by then?
[05:06] <tgm4883> yea
[05:06] <tgm4883> something strange, as it works fine on the test site
[05:07] <tgm4883> since the release is imminent, we may have to use linuxtracker for it
[05:07] <laga> set up a regular bittorrent trackerit's 5pm here, superm1 usually shows up at that time
[05:08] <tgm4883> do you have an account at linuxtracker?
[05:08] <laga> no
[05:08] <tgm4883> if I put the torrent up now, people will be all over it
[05:09] <pdragon04> beta is being released?
[05:09] <laga> pdragon04: later today, yes.
[05:09] <pdragon04> cool :)
[05:09] <tgm4883> laga, he knows too much ;)
[05:09] <pdragon04> uh oh
[05:09] <laga> heh
[05:11] <pdragon04> will a dist-upgrade be enough to go from alpha4 to beta, or do i have to so something else?
[05:11] <tgm4883> thats a good question
[05:12] <tgm4883> i'm not sure how the transition from openbox to xfce4 works for upgrades
[05:12] <laga> for most things yes. but i'm lacking the big picture here
[05:16] <pdragon04> i just did a reload from scratch this passed weekend (got bigger hdds and changed to xfs) and noticed xfce was running after doing a dist-upgrade
[05:17] <pdragon04> is that what's supposed to be happening with the beta?
[05:17] <tgm4883> yes, xfce is the new desktop env
[05:17] <pdragon04> my CD for installation was from back in the beginning of september, so there was a ton of updates
[05:17] <tgm4883> well xfce4
[05:19] <pdragon04> well, i can run an update later this week and see what happens. any special way to tell if i'm running the beta after that?
[05:22] <laga> since mythbuntu is basically just a special collection of packages already in ubuntu.. no ;)
[05:22] <laga> look at the screen shots and compare, hehe
[05:22] <pdragon04> alrighty
[05:22] <laga> pdragon04: talk to superm1 when he comes back
[05:26] <superm1> ugh my laptop died last night
[05:26] <laga> poor laptop
[05:27] <dwf_starband> I have a mceusb2 remote working, now i want to get the blaster working, do I need to folow the instructoins for setting up a second lirc device, or is it still considered the same since its one usb device with the blaster pluged into it?
[05:28] <tgm4883> superm1, check the email i just sent to the list and let me know if your ok with that
[05:29] <superm1> tgm4883, whew 66 mails in 5 hours
[05:29] <superm1> give me a few moments
[05:29] <laga> superm1: daviey is working on the release notes, should be good by now
[05:29] <superm1> laga, okay cool
[05:29] <tgm4883> yea, i saw that too :0
[05:29] <superm1> i'm pushing to bendailey's mirrors right now.  right when my laptop died i was in the middle of things
[05:30] <superm1> i'm rsyncing that old hard drive to another right now, and hoping i can get that machine back up and running in a sense
[05:31] <bendailey> superm1: do you need me to do anything on my mirrors?
[05:31] <dwf_starband> is there a more appropriate place to ask questions?
[05:31] <superm1> bendailey, i dont think so
[05:31] <superm1> its just a matter of moving the files around now
[05:31] <superm1> what other mirrors are we missing with the files?
[05:32] <superm1> tgm4883, yeah that's fine
[05:32] <laga> dwf_starband: there's a more appropriate time to ask those questions, eg when we're not in the middle of preparing a release :)
[05:32] <laga> superm1: while we're at it, let's move to #mythbuntu-dev?
[05:33] <superm1> laga, we need to get it registered
[05:33] <superm1> lets do it right after other things are set today
[05:33] <dwf_starband> thats why I asked, you seemed pretty busy the last couple of days, sorry to bother
[05:33] <pdragon04> but we're having fun being snooping on your conversation
[05:33] <laga> superm1: ok
[05:33] <superm1> laga, er actually when ompaul shows back up
[05:33] <superm1> we can ask him to make us a second channel
[05:34] <laga> superm1: who is ompaul?
[05:34] <superm1> he's an IRC admin
[05:34] <superm1> pops in here all the time
[05:34] <Daviey> ompaul is freenode staff... he rocks
[05:34] <laga> ah, k
[05:35] <superm1> hi Daviey
[05:35] <deffcon> superm1: i lost my sound after update, do you know what i can do its connected through spdif
[05:35] <superm1> deffcon, can we discuss later today after release is all set?
[05:35] <deffcon> beta release ?
[05:35] <tgm4883> maybe :)
[05:36] <deffcon> he ok i'll wait of course !!!
[05:36] <deffcon> if i can do something let me know, and let the hitmen come hahaha
[05:36] <laga> deffcon: btw, check your bug reports in launchpad, i think i requested more information on one
[05:36] <deffcon> ok i will
[05:37] <superm1> Daviey, in the post don't forget that you can mention the screenshots for beta too, if you haven't already http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/3
[05:37] <Daviey> superm1: do you have gobby installed?
[05:37] <superm1> i dont even know what that is ;)
[05:37] <superm1> it was mentioned to me once
[05:37] <Daviey> 13:48 < laga> can you set up a multiplayer notepad thingamajic again
[05:38] <superm1> the collaborative editor
[05:38] <Daviey> :)
[05:38] <laga> superm1: can you add a 'rc' and 'final' milestone for to the 7.10 series for mythbuntu? i'd like to get bugs managed more properly
[05:38] <superm1> right?
[05:38] <superm1> laga, i think tgm4883 made those last time
[05:38] <Daviey> yes
[05:38] <superm1> i have no idea how to
[05:38] <tgm4883> i'll set it up
[05:38] <laga> ok
[05:38] <laga> tgm4883: thanks
[05:38] <tgm4883> in about an hour if that ok
[05:38] <laga> tgm4883: where do you do that
[05:38] <laga> ok
[05:38] <Daviey> superm1: I tried to earlier and asked in #launchpad - but i couldn't find it either
[05:38] <tgm4883> laga you going to be on in an hour?
[05:39] <laga> tgm4883: no, but just throw me an URL
[05:39] <Daviey> tgm4883: can you tell us how, and we'll do it :)
[05:39] <superm1> Daviey, i have a feeling i'll be forced to install gobby before UDS though
[05:39] <tgm4883> sec
[05:39] <superm1> Daviey, er at UDS probably
[05:39] <Daviey> superm1: you'll be forced to install it now :)
[05:39] <Daviey> superm1: Are you being sponsered for UDS?
[05:39] <superm1> Daviey, i won't be able to right this moment.
[05:39] <superm1> Daviey, yeah :)
[05:39] <Daviey> git
[05:40] <laga> ok, i've gotta go. will be back later
[05:43] <tgm4883> Daviey, Laga, in launchpad you click on the 7.10 release (in the mythbuntu project), then register a release from there.
[05:43] <tgm4883> https://edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/7.10
[05:44] <laga> i was gonna add a milestone?
[05:44] <Daviey> yeah
[05:44] <tgm4883> you do that same place
[05:44] <Daviey> milestone
[05:44] <laga> superm1: target a RC for 25th?
[05:44] <Daviey> https://edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/7.10/+addmilestone
[05:44] <tgm4883> it's one link up
[05:44] <superm1> 25th?
[05:44] <tgm4883> from register release
[05:44] <superm1> um we need to go a lot sooner than that
[05:44] <laga> superm1: of this month
[05:44] <laga> superm1: ok
[05:45] <superm1> our archive freezes when ubuntu's freezes
[05:45] <superm1> remember
[05:45] <superm1> so the *only* changes we can make after the 19th is installer changes
[05:45] <laga> superm1: ok, then 12th?
[05:45] <Daviey> does your weekly-builds archive freeze aswell :)
[05:45] <superm1> so i say target rc for ~1 week before
[05:45] <superm1> yeah
[05:45] <tgm4883> Daviey, laga, i'm way late for class, so if you have any questions shoot me an email
[05:45] <laga> ok
[05:46] <laga> huh
[05:46] <Daviey> groovy
[05:46] <superm1> and then we'll target release for say the 22nd
[05:46] <superm1> so we have the weekend to sort out any last minute changes
[05:46] <laga> looks like i have to create a  release, that's the way the other stuff was set up
[05:46] <pdragon04> would it be more helpful to reload the beta from scratch or upgrade from alpha to test it
[05:46] <pdragon04> ?
[05:46] <laga> oh well, milestone it is. sorry for the confusion
[05:47] <laga> superm1: final is 30th then?
[05:49] <laga> would be cool if someone would try beta on a box with wireless
[05:49] <tgm4883> laga, you should also make a beta release and make the beta milestone unactive
[05:50] <laga> k
[05:51] <MythbuntuGuest46> Hi all, I have just installed the mythbuntu on to a gusty beta install. Most of it is working fine, but I can't get mythweb to work.
[05:51] <laga> superm1: when is release?
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest46> MythWeb complains about it not being able to access the db. despite everything else being able to use the default db settings
[05:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest46: is the password in /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess?
[05:54] <superm1> laga, lets push release for monday the 22nd
[05:54] <laga> superm1: k
[05:54] <laga> ok, we have two new milestones: rc and final
[05:54] <superm1> i've got to jet for a little.  mirrors are a pushin right now.  it's going to be ~1hr for them to finish it looks like
[05:54] <laga> k+
[05:55] <superm1> i left it in screen this time around
[05:55] <laga> i need to help the GF with school stuff
[05:55] <superm1> so i can run to campus
[05:55] <laga> heh
[05:55] <MythbuntuGuest46> There is no mythweb-htaccess there is an mythweb-htaccess.conf.dpkg-old
[05:55] <laga> that probably explains it..
[05:56] <laga> anyways, i need to run now. please file a bug in launchpad against mythbuntu
[05:56] <laga> bye
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest46> ok
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, Daviey, is the description for the release done?
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and does anyone have a good screenshot of the beta
[07:09] <MitoTranin|Work> Greetings al
[07:09] <MitoTranin|Work> all
[07:10] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[07:11] <MitoTranin|Work> tgm4883_laptop: We haven't met yet, but I read in my backlog that you're working on getting the release torrent ready
[07:11] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[07:12] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: sorry looked away
[07:12] <MitoTranin|Work> I just got involved last night, and had been waiting on a support call to my host to fix a problem, and they just fixed it, so my mirror is now ready
[07:12] <Daviey> Do you want to have a read through the release notes?
[07:12] <MitoTranin|Work> what's the status on the release?
[07:12] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, yea, i'm setting up the torrent and need a quick description.  And hopefully a screenshot too
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, meet MitoTranin|Work
[07:13] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: screen shots are on the website
[07:13] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[07:14] <Daviey> MitoTranin|Work: Later today it'll be announced
[07:14] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, are you in charge of mirrors?
[07:14] <MitoTranin|Work> Daviey: sounds good
[07:17] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: not "in charge"
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, has a new mirror
[07:18] <Daviey> us-ca.cdimage and cdimage are mine - they sync'd
[07:18] <Daviey> MitoTranin|Work: cool, what sort of BW can you push?
[07:18] <MitoTranin|Work> us-ca2.cdimages.mythbuntu.org is mine
[07:18] <Daviey> bandwidth*
[07:18] <Daviey> when did this happen?!
[07:18] <MitoTranin|Work> Daviey: last night
[07:19] <Daviey> nice to be notified of these things eh?
[07:19] <MitoTranin|Work> and I'm not sure on my BW limit, because I top out at my top dl speed
[07:19] <MitoTranin|Work> heh
[07:19] <Daviey> :)
[07:19] <MitoTranin|Work> it happened LATE last night
[07:19] <Daviey> Are you sync'd?
[07:19] <MitoTranin|Work> between 1am-2am EDT
[07:19] <MitoTranin|Work> yeah
[07:19] <Daviey> EDT, what's that in proper time?
[07:20] <MitoTranin|Work> EST during daylight time
[07:20] <MitoTranin|Work> right now it's -4
[07:20] <Daviey> UTC-4?
[07:20] <MitoTranin|Work> (new-york time)
[07:20] <MitoTranin|Work> EDT = Eastern Daylight Time, which is what EST is during daylight savings time
[07:20] <MitoTranin|Work> EST is -5, take into effect the daylight savings, and it's -4
[07:21] <Daviey> meh... you yanks and your crazy timezones :)
[07:21] <MitoTranin|Work> heh
[07:21] <MitoTranin|Work> well.. I'm not *IN* new york, just the same time zone :)
[07:21] <MitoTranin|Work> I'm actually as far west as you can get and still be in the same time zone....
[07:21] <MitoTranin|Work> but yeah
[07:22] <MitoTranin|Work> anyways, I downloaded the iso myself from my mirror last night and was grabbing it at 600kbs
[07:22] <MitoTranin|Work> which is my peak speed my home can handle
[07:22] <MitoTranin|Work> 3TB/mo allowed
[07:22] <MitoTranin|Work> IP trace shows the server is in SanFransisco
[07:23] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, i'm ready to announce when you are
[07:23] <MitoTranin|Work> that's pretty much all I know :)
[07:23] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, make sure when you do the link to digg, that you make a new digg article
[07:23] <Daviey> is SF still ca?
[07:23] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[07:23] <MitoTranin|Work> it's california
[07:23] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: can you read through the release notes?
[07:24] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[07:31] <Daviey> I'm assuming keescook's mirror us upto date
[07:31] <Daviey> s/us/is
[07:32] <keescook> Daviey: I pulled the stuff superm1 announced on the mailing list.
[07:32] <Daviey> keescook: cool
[07:33] <MitoTranin|Work> Daviey: my cousin is big into MythTV, and into Ubuntu... I was telling him about this and he said he might want to get involved.  He said he can stop into the channel a bit later and check things out, see what he can help with (he's a good programer etc)
[07:35] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[07:35] <DaveMorris> what does he program in?
[07:35] <Daviey> great
[07:35] <Daviey> DaveMorris: computers i expect
[07:35] <Daviey> maybe alptop or desktop
[07:35] <MitoTranin|Work> heh :)
[07:35] <DaveMorris> not a tv then ;)
[07:35] <DaveMorris> \me slaps Daviey
[07:35] <MitoTranin|Work> generally using a keyboard too :)
[07:37] <bendailey> !boobs
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boobs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <bendailey> sorry had to show my boss that
[07:38] <Daviey> Sack Him!
[07:38] <bendailey> I think that is really funny ever since laga did it awhile ago
[07:40] <DaveMorris> I wonder if my opensg package will be enough?
[07:42] <Daviey> no
[07:43] <DaveMorris> actually, the last 'release' was in 04, is it acceptable to package up cvs versions every 6 months instead?
[07:50] <Daviey> check with motu's
[07:57] <tgm4883_laptop> stupid power
[07:58] <DaveMorris> power corrupts all ;)
[07:58] <tgm4883_laptop> my college just lost power, and the wireless went out
[07:59] <tgm4883_laptop> we're on backup generator now
[08:00] <MitoTranin|Work> electricity is your friend...
[08:06] <camelreef> hello everyone
[08:06] <camelreef> !bug 139770
[08:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139770
[08:06] <camelreef> is Mario here ?
[08:07] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[08:08] <camelreef> hy tgm4883
[08:08] <camelreef> hi
[08:08] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[08:08] <camelreef> I wa trying to understand what he meant in his comment
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> how have you been updating?
[08:10] <camelreef> yup
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop> how though, what command?
[08:10] <camelreef> once or twice a day
[08:10] <camelreef> sudo aptitude update && sudoa ptitude dist-upgrade
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[08:11] <camelreef> without the typo ;o)
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> im wondering why it's still.......
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> here he is
[08:11] <camelreef> Mario !
[08:11] <superm1> what happened?
[08:11] <superm1> Hi folks
[08:11] <camelreef> hello
[08:11] <MitoTranin|Work> greetings
[08:11] <camelreef> !bug 139770
[08:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139770
[08:12] <superm1> its still happening???
[08:12] <superm1> after beta?
[08:12] <camelreef> I was wondring about your last comment there
[08:12] <camelreef> <- Nico
[08:12] <superm1> yeah the order of launching should be more tightly controlled in the beta
[08:12] <camelreef> the thing is, I fixed it manually before
[08:12] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, he still has openbox
[08:12] <superm1> oh
[08:13] <tgm4883_laptop> every program needs a page table
[08:13] <superm1> can you post the session script that is launching you into openbox?
[08:13] <tgm4883_laptop> whoops, wrong screen
[08:13] <camelreef> which package is supposed to drag Xfce with it ?
[08:13] <superm1> MitoTranin|Work, is your mirror all set?
[08:13] <MitoTranin|Work> yep
[08:13] <superm1> camelreef, mythbuntu-desktop will
[08:13] <superm1> MitoTranin|Work, did you get the DNS stuff to bendailey ?
[08:13] <camelreef> ahem...I may not have this one..;.
[08:13] <MitoTranin|Work> superm1: all set and up-to-date with your uk mirror
[08:13] <MitoTranin|Work> yeah, it's live right now
[08:14] <MitoTranin|Work> us-ca2.cdimages.mythbuntu.org should work
[08:14] <MitoTranin|Work> works for me at least :)
[08:14] <foxbuntu> superm1, when were you gonna post the annoucement?
[08:14] <superm1> MitoTranin|Work, er error id: "bad_httpd_conf"
[08:14] <camelreef> let me finish the mythcommflah --all --rebuild --hogcpu, and I'll get the package in
[08:14] <superm1> when i tried to visit it?
[08:14] <DaveMorris> I can''t seem to connect to any peers for the beta torrent, are there any?
[08:14] <superm1> okay so to double check, are all the mirrors ready then?
[08:14] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, the torrent hasn't been uploaded yet
[08:15] <tgm4883_laptop> check the rest of your email :)
[08:15] <MitoTranin|Work> ??? I'm getting that right now too... but it worked just a little while ago!?!?
[08:15] <DaveMorris> I never read that part!
[08:15] <MitoTranin|Work> ugh, I know what happened
[08:15] <camelreef> superm1, yes, I do have the mythbuntu-desktop package
[08:16] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: your mirror loads here
[08:16] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, i'll upload it as soon as superm1 or Daviey posts
[08:16] <superm1> camelreef, then if you have the latest version, you should have xfce stuff all installed too
[08:16] <superm1> version latest is 0.7 i believe
[08:16] <camelreef> superm1, and yes, I have all the xfce stuff in. I guess I need to restart gdm once in a while
[08:16] <DaveMorris> yeah, but openbox isn't removed, and the session scipt might not be changed
[08:16] <superm1> foxbuntu, on yours "Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_add_js() in /home/foxmfox6/public_html/modules/ubercart/uc_store/uc_store.module on line 328"
[08:17] <superm1> camelreef, yeah you have to make the directory ~/.config, and then disable/enable autostart
[08:17] <superm1> in the control centre
[08:17] <foxbuntu> superm1, I know, its an issue with drupal I am working on, however the isos are there
[08:17] <camelreef> DaveMorris, how do I make sure the seesion script gets changed ?
[08:17] <camelreef> superm1, for which use ?
[08:17] <camelreef> user
[08:18] <superm1> camelreef, your normal user
[08:18] <foxbuntu> superm1, I don't allow dir browsing on my site
[08:18] <camelreef> ok
[08:18] <superm1> foxbuntu, not even on this vhost?
[08:18] <superm1> you should have sep vhosts for sep sites i would imagine
[08:18] <foxbuntu> its not a vhost
[08:19] <superm1> oh.  well shouldn't you make it setup as such if your hosting multiple things there?
[08:19] <foxbuntu> I have that on my list of to-do's
[08:19] <camelreef> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend depends on openbog
[08:19] <foxbuntu> but for right now the only access to those files is the link
[08:20] <camelreef> I guess I should get rid of this meta-packagem then
[08:20] <superm1> okay after MitoTranin|Work's mirror is cleared, tgm4883_laptop are the torrents up yet?
[08:20] <superm1> if not, get them up on linuxtracker.org
[08:20] <superm1> and then Daviey you here? ready with announce text?
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> they are up on linuxtracker as soon as you tell me to
[08:21] <superm1> yeah go for it
[08:21] <DaveMorris> camelreef: you should be able to choose the session type on the log in screen
[08:21] <MitoTranin|Work> superm1: bendailey and I know what the problem with my mirror is and it's being fixed now
[08:21] <superm1> okay cool
[08:21] <MitoTranin|Work> (I wanted it to be tidy, and tidy-ing things up is what broke it)
[08:22] <bendailey> ok I show that the dns records are changed it should just be a matter of propagation before it is good for everyone
[08:22] <superm1> bendailey, it looks like Daviey took out his index.php
[08:22] <superm1> what should your script be titled?
[08:22] <superm1> should it be the index.php in the download/ directory?
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> torrents are up
[08:23] <pdragon04> so exciting
[08:23] <bendailey> yeah it should be index.php in download
[08:23] <MitoTranin|Work> tgm4883_laptop: what's the torrent link so I can get my home seeding it?
[08:23] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 after I'd started downloading directly, typical
[08:23] <superm1> okay bendailey it's in place
[08:23] <bendailey> daviey said that it was changed earlier today
[08:24] <foxbuntu> bendailey, think you could change my cname dns quick before release?
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> who's making the announcement?
[08:24] <superm1> Daviey,
[08:24] <superm1> where'd he go?
[08:24] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[08:24] <bendailey> superm1: did we forget to swap it out after testing last night?
[08:24] <superm1> bendailey, well it was swapped out
[08:24] <bendailey> foxbuntu: I think I have a records for everyone which host is yours?
[08:24] <superm1> someone must have moved things around
[08:24] <foxbuntu> us-il
[08:24] <camelreef> I have a choice of sessions, among them mythbuntu and xfce, which one should I choose ?
[08:25] <DaveMorris> try mythbuntu 1st
[08:25] <camelreef> ok
[08:25] <superm1> mythbuntu
[08:25] <MitoTranin> I just checked my mirror from my home (remote VNC is great) and my mirror works from here
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4691
[08:25] <tgm4883_laptop> i386^^
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4692
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> amd64^^
[08:26] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, we need to update the support page to list all the forums info now too
[08:26] <superm1> i'll update the download iso page
[08:26] <tgm4883_laptop> if you have the torrents from the mailing list, it will connect at the next scheduled announce interval
[08:26] <foxbuntu> bendailey, I am adding a new sub domain to my server
[08:27] <bendailey> foxbuntu: did you get my pm?
[08:27] <hansoffate|work> wow awesome
[08:27] <hansoffate|work> mythbuntu beta!
[08:27] <hansoffate|work> going to be installing this, this weekend on my box
[08:28] <foxbuntu> bendailey, yea
[08:28] <foxbuntu> I just sent you one
[08:29] <DaveMorris> hansoffate|work: has sfce now :)
[08:29] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, check the support page now
[08:29] <camelreef> OK, I logged in, had to go to MCC again to setup auto-start and auto-login. Auto-login did not go through, so I did a gdmsetup for it, also confirming the default session as mythbuntu
[08:30] <camelreef> how do I check the screensaver thing now ?
[08:30] <MitoTranin|Work> ok, my home is seeding the i386
[08:30] <hansoffate|work> DaveMorris: sfce?
[08:30] <MitoTranin|Work> I don't have the amd downloaded there yet though
[08:30] <DaveMorris> xfce
[08:30] <superm1> okay download iso page is all setup
[08:31] <hansoffate|work> oh yea, i heard
[08:31] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, should the torrents be listed on the download page?
[08:31] <superm1> tgm4883, drop the "The Ubuntu Forums, http://www.ubuntuforums.org.  Please be sure to add a mythbuntu tag when making a post."
[08:31] <hansoffate|work> i am pretty excited, never used mythbuntu in alpha, i will be getting the last of my parts on friday from newegg
[08:31] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, yeah that's right
[08:32] <superm1> i'll add those in
[08:33] <tgm4883_laptop> fixed
[08:33] <foxbuntu> superm1, I modified my setup so browsing will be open when the dns proigates out
[08:33] <tgm4883_laptop> also, there are a couple new threads in the mythbuntu forums
[08:33] <camelreef> hmm, I've lost the frontend logs
[08:38] <superm1> okay everything on the download page should be good now
[08:38] <superm1> has the torrents and such
[08:39] <foxbuntu> bendailey, did you write the php download script?
[08:39] <foxbuntu> or superm1 you can prob do this
[08:40] <foxbuntu> comment out my mirror from the rotation for now
[08:40] <MitoTranin|Work> superm1: Should the download page say something about requesting users to use the torrents, or have a link to a torrent client or something?
[08:40] <MitoTranin|Work> generally you'd think people would know, but this is kinda geared to be usable by a novice, and a novice might not know what a torrent is, etc.
[08:41] <bendailey> foxbuntu: yes
[08:41] <camelreef> OK, I'll let you finish your release, and come back for my lost mythfrontend logs later, good luck, have fun
[08:41] <bendailey> foxbuntu it is in a db now I will deactivate you
[08:41] <foxbuntu> prob for best results comment out my host until DNS replicates
[08:41] <foxbuntu> should just be a little while...maybe an hour or 2
[08:41] <superm1> MitoTranin|Work, well i think that novices shouldn't mess too much with needing to get torrent client and such, but that should be on the front page announce at minimum
[08:42] <MitoTranin|Work> foxbuntu: which mirror is yours?
[08:42] <MitoTranin|Work> I just got a dns error when it gave me us-il.cdimages.mythbuntu.org
[08:42] <MitoTranin|Work> is that yours?
[08:42] <foxbuntu> thats mine
[08:42] <MitoTranin|Work> k :) just checking, cause if not, someone else was having a problem too :)
[08:42] <foxbuntu> I should have thought of doing this sooner
[08:43] <bendailey> foxbuntu: you are disabled in the db
[08:43] <superm1> doing what?
[08:43] <foxbuntu> moving those isos out of my web dir
[08:43] <foxbuntu> to a vhost
[08:43] <MitoTranin|Work> us-ca and us-az work sofar
[08:43] <foxbuntu> superm1, I had bendailey change the DNS so it points to mirror.foxmediasystems.com
[08:43] <MitoTranin|Work> foxbuntu: that's what I did in the first place :)
[08:44] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin|Work, I would have, but I wasn't planning on having my web site up and in build process yet
[08:44] <bendailey> foxbuntu: you are making me look bad I told MitoTranin|Work that everyone was using A records and it would be simpler to keep everyone there
[08:44] <foxbuntu> so it was just going to be a mirror
[08:44] <foxbuntu> bendailey, I am special
[08:45] <foxbuntu> everyone knows that
[08:45] <MitoTranin|Work> bendailey: lol...
[08:45] <foxbuntu> :)
[08:45] <foxbuntu> A records should be used when they can
[08:45] <MitoTranin|Work> us-tx works too... but I'm still getting us-il every now and then
[08:45] <foxbuntu> but my hosting service is a little strange
[08:45] <tgm4883_laptop> i don't know whos downloading the amd64 from me, but i have to stop for about 20 minutes so i can eat lunch
[08:45] <foxbuntu> you prob need to clear your cache
[08:46] <MitoTranin|Work> tgm4883_laptop: if you're seeding the torrent, then I am
[08:46] <tgm4883_laptop> i am
[08:46] <DaveMorris> I'm getting them direct, and I'll seed once I have got them
[08:46] <MitoTranin|Work> I didn't have it yet, so I figured I'd download that one via torrent so I could help seed it
[08:46] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll be back in about 20-30 minutes
[08:46] <tgm4883_laptop> thats fine, just FYI
[08:46] <MitoTranin|Work> I'll just grab it direct then
[08:46] <MitoTranin|Work> thanks :)
[08:46] <tgm4883_laptop> im at school seeding from my laptop
[08:47] <MitoTranin|Work> :)
[08:47] <DaveMorris> ports are closed at uni :(
[08:47] <tgm4883_laptop> it's also seeding at home, so if it continues after _laptop is out, then your good to go
[08:47] <MitoTranin|Work> well it looks like someone else is seeding it now too, so I'll stay connected
[08:47] <MitoTranin|Work> just easier to help seed and download at the same time, than just downloading, and then seeding...
[08:48] <pdragon04> don't most torrent clients do that by default?
[08:48] <MitoTranin|Work> pdragon04: I was refering to direct downloading
[08:48] <pdragon04> ahh
[08:48] <MitoTranin|Work> the i386 I downloaded directly last night
[08:49] <MitoTranin|Work> then today I set it up so that it would seed
[08:49] <MitoTranin|Work> but since I don't have an amd64 system, I hadn't downloaded that yet
[08:49] <MitoTranin|Work> so instead of downloading it direct, then seeding, I figured I'd just download it via the torrent too :)
[08:50] <pdragon04> that works
[08:50] <MitoTranin|Work> and on that note, I have to go visit a client
[08:50] <MitoTranin|Work> later all!
[08:55] <MitoTranin> before I go, I don't have an account on linuxtracker
[08:55] <MitoTranin> does the invite code do any good?
[08:55] <MitoTranin> should I use someones, or should I just register without it?.
[08:55] <superm1> u dont need an acct to download from them
[08:55] <superm1> i dont htink
[08:56] <MitoTranin> well, as I was shutting down my laptop, I noticed that my seed had an error in the tracker status
[08:56] <superm1> hm
[08:56] <MitoTranin> I stoped and restarted the seed, and now it says it's working
[08:56] <superm1> oh ok
[08:56] <MitoTranin> but the only thing I can guess to be the reason for the error would have been that I don't have an account.... so.... I figured I'd register :)
[08:59] <MitoTranin> why does the torrentracker list the homepage as distrowatch.com?
[08:59] <superm1> sounds like tgm4883 set something up wrong :)
[08:59] <superm1> he'll have to fix that when he gets back
[09:02] <directhex> there's a distro which cheats & only includes its download link on its distrowatch page, to push up its distrowatch rank. i forget which
[09:02] <superm1> Daviey, !
[09:03] <frank_> Is there a newer mythbuntu cd than mythbuntu-7.10~070830-i386.iso ?
[09:03] <superm1> frank_, yes
[09:04] <MitoTranin> frank_: there is as of an hour or so ago :)
[09:04] <superm1> we are literally in the process right now of announcing it
[09:04] <superm1> frank_, see http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads
[09:04] <superm1> that will direct you to the new one
[09:04] <MitoTranin> frank_: http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads
[09:04] <MitoTranin> bah, beat me too it...
[09:04] <frank_> superm1: I see
[09:05] <MitoTranin> ok, I'm really going to go now... later all
[09:06] <frank_> superm1: MitoTranin: does the new one have networkmanager installed?
[09:06] <superm1> frank_, yes
[09:06] <frank_> superm1: ok I'll try it when I get the chance
[09:19] <laga> re
[09:24] <superm1> hey laga
[09:25] <laga> heh
[09:25] <laga> last year for LinuxTag, i remastered knoppmyth and called it MeinMythTV
[09:25] <laga> just got an email from some guy telling me that the tracker is down. ;)
[09:26] <Daviey> erm us-il is down!
[09:26] <foxbuntu> Daviey, I know
[09:27] <superm1> why is it still in the rotation?
[09:27] <laga> i referred him to mythdora, knoppmyth and to our first beta instead :)
[09:27] <superm1> i thought bendailey disabled it
[09:27] <foxbuntu> it shouldnt be
[09:27] <foxbuntu> bendailey, shut it down
[09:27] <Daviey> well i was just redirected there
[09:28] <superm1> foxbuntu, when will it be back up?
[09:28] <foxbuntu> sometime in the next 45 mins - 2 hours
[09:28] <foxbuntu> I am only waiting on replication
[09:30] <Daviey> I'm ready to announce on drupal
[09:31] <foxbuntu> YAY
[09:31] <superm1> okay should we check with why us-il is still in rotatoin?
[09:31] <superm1> or what then
[09:31] <Daviey> bendailey: ping
[09:32] <laga> take out the borked mirror and announce? or is anything else needed?
[09:33] <superm1> hm according to http://www.mythbuntu.org/admin/build/database/table/dl_h_host/view, its not enabled
[09:33] <superm1> possibly a bug in the php script not checking for htat?
[09:33] <Daviey> :S
[09:33] <superm1> wait a minute.
[09:33] <superm1> ben's script isn't there.
[09:33] <superm1> its daviey's
[09:34] <Daviey> I don't know the new php script too well
[09:34] <superm1> what happened to ben's?
[09:34] <Daviey> nothin' to do with me
[09:34] <superm1> how do things keep getting moved back and forth?
[09:34] <DaveMorris> Daviey: ate it
[09:34] <laga> why do we have cdimages.mythbuntu.org in there two times?
[09:34] <superm1> because it has more priority
[09:34] <DaveMorris> so i takes the bulk
[09:34] <laga> ah
[09:34] <DaveMorris> s/i/it
[09:35] <superm1> give me a sec, i'll redrop his script in
[09:36] <superm1> okay try the download link now
[09:36] <laga> hum
[09:36] <laga> works here, but gave me add weird phph error the first time i tried it
[09:36] <superm1> yeah i fixed that quickly
[09:36] <superm1> he had a small typo in it
[09:37] <superm1> its only giving me uk. and cdimages.
[09:37] <Daviey> no ";"
[09:37] <superm1> though
[09:37] <Daviey> they are heavily weighted AIUI
[09:37] <Daviey> shall i oublish?
[09:37] <Daviey> publish*
[09:37] <superm1> yeah go for it
[09:37] <laga> yay
[09:37] <laga> we made it beta.
[09:37] <superm1> that sort of thing can be tweaked
[09:38] <laga> i got some us-* mirrors too
[09:38] <superm1> okay good
[09:38] <superm1> weird how the bloat in the us didn't get any us mirrors though :)
[09:38] <Daviey> feel free to edit it guys!
[09:38] <laga> how many downloads did the alpha get?
[09:38] <laga> alphas*
[09:38] <Daviey> scared to check
[09:38] <Daviey> it must be one *HUGE* txt file now
[09:38] <laga> Daviey: um, URL to the forums is missing
[09:39] <laga> url to launchpad is missing
[09:39] <DaveMorris> no url
[09:39] <laga> wonder what went wrong
[09:39] <Daviey> eeek
[09:40] <laga> i didnt embed them properly into <a href, it thought you were gonna fix that :)
[09:40] <laga> also, wth is
[09:40] <laga>     * Use the control centre to turn your Mythbuntu box into a full-blown Kubuntu/Ubuntu desktop
[09:40] <laga>     * Switch from primary backend to secondary backend
[09:40] <laga> doing in there
[09:40] <laga>     * Enable or disable the frontend
[09:40] <Daviey> stop moaning
[09:40] <Daviey> :)
[09:40] <superm1> Daviey, just title it "beta", we're not planning a beta 2
[09:40] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbuntu.org is taking forever to load
[09:40] <superm1> just planning rc
[09:42] <Daviey> how is that?
[09:42] <superm1> which?
[09:42] <superm1> ah
[09:42] <superm1> yeah good
[09:43] <superm1> wait no.
[09:43] <superm1> its still in the text too
[09:43] <Daviey> ?
[09:43] <Daviey> i don't follow
[09:43] <laga> it's good now
[09:43] <laga> oh, intendation is not correct
[09:43] <laga> mythbuntu-control-centre:
[09:43] <laga> the items following that need to be properly intended
[09:44] <superm1> Daviey, in the text you still say beta 1
[09:44] <superm1> not just beta
[09:44] <DaveMorris> the url to the bug with quit button in xfce is missing
[09:44] <tgm4883_laptop> Do we have a digg article yet?
[09:44] <superm1> also missing the mentions of being able to install directly from gutsy
[09:44] <superm1> there is a diggit button on the bottom
[09:45] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: no
[09:45] <tgm4883_laptop> well how can I digg it then?
[09:45] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[09:45] <DaveMorris> I've blogged it, just about to update facebook
[09:45] <superm1> click http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/67
[09:45] <superm1> and then there is a diggit
[09:46] <tgm4883_laptop> I know, I just wanted to know if someone else was doing that or should I?
[09:46] <superm1> oh go for it
[09:46] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: go fot it
[09:46] <tgm4883_laptop> cause the first one makes the story on digg
[09:46] <superm1> 'connect 4'
[09:48] <tgm4883_laptop> done
[09:48] <tgm4883_laptop> now everybody digg it
[09:48] <tgm4883_laptop> digg it good
[09:48] <laga> i'm gonna tell some german websites about it
[09:48] <laga> i lost the password to my digg acountr
[09:48] <foxbuntu> who has the digg link?
[09:48] <foxbuntu> or is it not up yet
[09:48] <tgm4883_laptop> thats ok laga, i hacked your digg account and subscribed you to some bad things
[09:49] <tgm4883_laptop> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Public_Beta
[09:49] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: "bad" or "naughty"?
[09:49] <tgm4883_laptop> both
[09:49] <tgm4883_laptop> the authorities should be checking up on you shortly
[09:49] <laga> :/
[09:50] <superm1> well congrats guys on getting this out finally :)
[09:50] <tgm4883_laptop> time for a break :)
[09:51] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: break? i was gonna hack on mcc a bit :)
[09:51] <foxbuntu> superm1, thanks...I did all the hard work...and it shows!
[09:51] <foxbuntu> lol
[09:51] <DaveMorris> superm1: now that's all done, I've finshed those opensg changes I needed, if your happy with it all I'd like to push it towards the main repo's
[09:51] <laga> yes, congratulations guys. we did a good job i think :)
[09:51] <tgm4883_laptop> well, break for everyone but you laga
[09:51] <foxbuntu> yes indeed...better things to come, the hard work is paying off
[09:51] <tgm4883_laptop> you can't take a break until 12.10
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> FYI, ^^^ is Ubuntu 12.10
[09:52] <tgm4883_laptop> not Oct 12th or Dec 10th
[09:52] <DaveMorris> doh
[09:53] <superm1> DaveMorris, is it a new upstream version?
[09:53] <superm1> or is it already in the archive with that version
[09:54] <DaveMorris> superm1: the last release they did was in 04, cvs branch has just had bug fixes whilst they work on unstable, so no new release yet.  Should I do the release from 04 or cvs from stable?
[09:54] <DaveMorris> it's not in the archives yet
[09:54] <superm1> DaveMorris, well if its not in the archives, the NEW deadline has already passed
[09:54] <superm1> it will have to live on your PPA for now, but once hardy opens up we can push it there
[09:55] <DaveMorris> ok I'll work on a dbg version of it as well for developers
[09:58] <tgm4883_laptop> too bad it's already 1:00 PM PST
[09:59] <tgm4883_laptop> basically have to wait 2 days to get some real data of the beta release from google analytics
[09:59] <laga> guys, i think there's something wrong with the website for old news items:
[09:59] <laga> http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/25
[09:59] <laga> http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/27
[09:59] <laga> one is for alpha 2, the other for alpha 3
[09:59] <laga> with the same text
[09:59] <superm1> well that text is long gone
[09:59] <superm1> so i say oh well
[10:00] <laga> well, i was gonna use it as a reference for mythbuntu features.. oh well
[10:00] <laga> just hope the DB is intact
[10:01] <superm1> me too
[10:01] <directhex> pfft, as if anything important would use a database as the back-end
[10:01] <directhex> that's a recipe for disaster!
[10:02] <superm1> someone really needs to update the wikipedia page
[10:02] <superm1> its pretty bland
[10:03] <superm1> and has an old screenshot
[10:03] <laga> superm1: it probably happened when transitioning from one webhost to the other one
[10:04] <superm1> probably
[10:07] <tgm4883_laptop> the transition wasn't exactly a nice one
[10:07] <laga> no
[10:07] <laga> hows imbrandon, btw
[10:07] <tgm4883_laptop> was the db even brought over?
[10:07] <superm1> nope
[10:08] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, we should shoot imbrandon an email and see where he is on getting us that backup :)
[10:15] <superm1> i made a thread on the forums for people to post hardware: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566529
[10:15] <superm1> so hopefully that fills up
[10:15] <superm1> tgm4883, how is the wiki looking?
[10:15] <superm1> we still on schedule for that?
[10:15] <superm1> DaveMorris, what about the TeX doc, how is that looking?
[10:15] <superm1> still on schedule?
[10:15] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[10:16] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm going to run through it again soon and see if some issue got cleaned up
[10:16] <superm1> great awesome
[10:16] <laga> superm1: i bet uit'll fill up with "help! my video projector doesn't show up in /dev/dvb/"
[10:16] <laga> superm1: "With the release of the beta today, the amount of changes that can be made are likely limited to bug fixes."
[10:16] <superm1> bad wording?
[10:16] <laga> bah, won't i get to add my maintenance tab tp mcc? :/
[10:16] <superm1> well yeah
[10:16] <laga> s/tp/to/
[10:16] <superm1> but dont tell anyone
[10:17] <superm1> ;)
[10:17] <laga> heh
[10:17] <laga> k
[10:17] <laga> i'll mark most stuff as experimental.
[10:17] <DaveMorris> errr
[10:17] <DaveMorris> I've not touched it for a while tbh
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, you should add a notes part so people will think to add anything that may be important
[10:19] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, on that sticky?
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[10:19] <superm1> well i really want that thread to be a clear cut working/not working
[10:19] <superm1> don't need more than that
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> or maybe rename performance
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[10:20] <superm1> because if its not working, getting it to work is probably not going to happen
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> I was just thinking about what im going to write about firewire
[10:20] <superm1> given we've only got about a week and a half here
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> which works and doesn't :)
[10:20] <superm1> oh firewire
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> or maybe something works
[10:20] <tgm4883_laptop> but something had to be done to get it to work
[10:21] <foxbuntu> bendailey, ping
[10:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, ping
[10:22] <superm1> yeah?
[10:22] <superm1> is your mirror live again?
[10:22] <foxbuntu> my server is back online
[10:22] <foxbuntu> hmm
[10:22] <superm1> okay it should be back in the rotation now
[10:23] <foxbuntu> I don't think bendailey got the DNS correct though
[10:23] <foxbuntu> nevermind
[10:23] <foxbuntu> its right
[10:24] <foxbuntu> drupal just gets all freaky over it
[10:24] <foxbuntu> I will have to find a way for it to ignore that traffic
[10:25] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, digg me up!
[10:25] <foxbuntu> I dugg you up!
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> oh you did not
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i dugg you tough
[10:27] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I did too!
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[10:28] <tgm4883_laptop> interesting, now neither show any diggs
[10:28] <foxbuntu> hmm
[10:28] <foxbuntu> digg is being stupid
[10:28] <laga> heh
[10:28] <foxbuntu> unless someone dugg us down
[10:28] <laga> probably to avoid spamming
[10:28] <foxbuntu> laga, did it!
[10:31] <laga> it was the lolcat
[10:32] <tgm4883_laptop> yay, quiz time gotta go
[10:38] <hansoffate|work> I dugg the article
[10:39] <hansoffate|work> and dug both of you up
[10:40] <Daviey> foxbuntu: you know about vhosts right?
[10:40] <laga> hansoffate|work: suck-up
[10:40] <hansoffate|work> lol
[10:41] <foxbuntu> Daviey, indeed
[10:41] <foxbuntu> whats up?
[10:42] <Daviey> foxbuntu: ^ your problem with dns
[10:43] <foxbuntu> Daviey, I actually don't have access to create a vhost on my hosting service
[10:43] <foxbuntu> so I added a subdomain and had bendailey create a cname pointer to it
[10:44] <bendailey> foxbuntu: do you want your mirror reactivated?
[10:44] <foxbuntu> and moved the data into a directory from there
[10:44] <foxbuntu> bendailey, I think superm1 already did
[10:45] <bendailey> foxbuntu: yep I see that now
[10:45] <foxbuntu> if you browse to that link it will fail because of drupal...however the files work and if you go to the actual host file browsing works as well
[10:46] <Daviey> that's good 'nuff
[10:46] <Daviey> :)
[10:46] <foxbuntu> yup
[10:46] <foxbuntu> I will fix the drupal error at a later date
[10:47] <foxbuntu> who would like to join in my little reverse engineering project? :)
[10:47] <laga> does it involve chainsaws?
[10:47] <foxbuntu> hmm
[10:47] <laga> or kittehs!
[10:48] <laga> that's an XOR, btw.
[10:48] <foxbuntu> i don't think C++ code responds well to them
[10:48] <superm1> foxbuntu, its not really reverse engineering
[10:48] <superm1> its looking at code
[10:48] <superm1> and adapting
[10:48] <foxbuntu> superm1, shhh
[10:48] <superm1> reverse engineering is taking a binary and working backwards
[10:48] <foxbuntu> your ruining it
[10:48] <superm1> you should be able to handle it
[10:48] <foxbuntu> lol
[10:48] <foxbuntu> yea
[10:49] <foxbuntu> I am already starting to grasp how he made that work
[10:49] <foxbuntu> just gotta spend more time one
[10:49] <Daviey> whats that then?
[10:49] <superm1> why?
[10:50] <foxbuntu> because your sneaky
[10:50] <Daviey> superm1: I have to agree
[10:50] <foxbuntu> Daviey, I am working on building a theme engine like Mice for Xfce to animate our splash
[10:50] <Daviey> You appear out of knowhere!
[10:50] <Daviey> foxbuntu: which splash?
[10:50] <foxbuntu> the Xfce Login Splash
[10:51] <Daviey> ah
[10:51] <Daviey> wondered if you were talking about the usplash
[10:51] <foxbuntu> naw...although on that one, troy_s has a contact that supposidly can do it in the USplash
[10:52] <Daviey> cool... the animaitions that usplash currently supports is pretty poor
[10:53] <directhex> X-based init!
[10:53] <foxbuntu> there in lies the limitations of USplash
[10:53] <foxbuntu> the real problem is the overhead required to do that up front
[10:54] <foxbuntu> you would have to pre-load, vid drivers, X, GDM, and all depends
[10:54] <foxbuntu> which is not really worth it
[10:54] <laga> i think read hat 9 did that
[10:54] <laga> or fedora
[10:54] <laga> red*
[10:55] <directhex> fedora definitely did it
[10:55] <directhex> it's pure evil, that's wht it's so tempting!
[10:55] <directhex> hell, force a 640x480 vesafb, and use a special xorg.conf which uses directfb. there you go, all the power of x!
[10:56] <foxbuntu> then your still limited at 16 color palletes like it is now
[10:56] <foxbuntu> and you only gain minute animation abilities
[10:57] <directhex> hmm. we need opengl-based init!
[10:57] <directhex> ever see that movie "hackerS" :p
[10:58] <foxbuntu> directhex, if you can figure out a low over head way to make it work...you will be the most loved man in the community
[10:59] <directhex> i can't think of anything that would work on any hardware
[10:59] <laga> just use directfb directly
[10:59] <laga> and fsck X
[11:00] <directhex> laga, and use which lib to make it unshit to write for?
[11:05] <laga> do you want a c# wrapper?
[11:14] <directhex> laga, hey, i'd *love* a c# wrapper!
[11:14] <laga> get coding then
[11:15] <directhex> laga, what am i wrapping again?
[11:16] <laga> directfb wrapper
[11:17] <directhex> laga, hey, you can use libcairo-directfb2 and libmono-cairo2.0-cil to make it even easier!
[11:17] <laga> hum
[11:17] <laga> why did you just say "you" ;)
[11:17] <directhex> laga, i'm more of an "ideas" person!
[11:18] <directhex> i delegate where required. that's called management!
[11:21] <laga> superm1: ping.
[11:22] <laga> it'd be fun if ICMP had a volume setting
[11:24] <foxbuntu> laga, that would be bad
[11:24] <foxbuntu> think of people like me with a setting like that
[11:24] <foxbuntu> :)
[11:25] <laga> yours would be squeaky
[11:25] <laga> :)
[11:25] <foxbuntu> lol
[11:25] <spoky99> hi all
[11:25] <foxbuntu> on that note...time to make like a Tree and leave
[11:26] <spoky99> I have a problem during the halt of mytbuntu
[11:26] <spoky99> two problem
[11:27] <spoky99> I need make restart the computer using scpi
[11:27] <spoky99> acpi
[11:28] <spoky99> but when I shutdown mythtv they don't write the $time variable
[11:28] <spoky99> someone know the problem?
[11:29] <spoky99> :(
[11:29] <laga> have you checked both the ubuntu wiki and wiki.mythtv.org on that problem?
[11:29] <laga> there's a  lot of documentation available
[11:29] <spoky99> nope...
[11:29] <spoky99> I search it!!
[11:29] <spoky99> thanks
[11:30] <spoky99> :D
[11:30] <MythbuntuGuest24> hello
[11:30] <tgm4883_laptop> woohoo, i'm seeding like a mofo
[11:30] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[11:30] <laga> hai
[11:30] <MythbuntuGuest24> question for all you mythtv experts
[11:30] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask
[11:30] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:30] <MythbuntuGuest24> haha ok
[11:31] <MythbuntuGuest24> i plan on making a media server before the end of this year
[11:31] <spoky99> laga: I'm searcing it using google.. but is not easy, I find a lot of thing but..
[11:31] <camelreef> hello again everyone
[11:31] <MythbuntuGuest24> it will host videos files of all sorts
[11:31] <camelreef> how did the release go ?
[11:31] <directhex> a media server, eh?
[11:31] <MythbuntuGuest24> later on i plan on making a htpc
[11:31] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[11:31] <MythbuntuGuest24> how would i go about streaming all the video files from teh server to the htpc
[11:32] <MythbuntuGuest24> can i run ubuntu on the backend of the server and use mythbuntu on the htpc?
[11:32] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest24, the easiest way (and IMHO, the best way) is to make the HTPC (frontend or frontend/backend) use NFS and mount the media shares locally
[11:32] <camelreef> I have just had my first experience with the upstream "friendly" MythTV dev community
[11:32] <camelreef> I dared open a ticket
[11:32] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest24, ideally, you don't want to have an "htpc" and "server"
[11:33] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, what?
[11:33] <MythbuntuGuest24> why is that?
[11:33] <camelreef> !bug 136533
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136533 in mythtv "OSD fonts badly rendered when watching 16:9 TV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136533
[11:33] <MythbuntuGuest24> because i plan to share the files to other pcs in the LAN
[11:33] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest24, mythtv is client-server. put the tv cards, and mythbackend, into the server
[11:33] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest24, then you can use a low-noise wife-friendly frontend or twelve
[11:34] <MythbuntuGuest24> excellent
[11:34] <camelreef> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4044
[11:34] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, semantics
[11:34] <MythbuntuGuest24> but i also understand that mythbuntu is easier to use correct?
[11:34] <directhex> tgm4883, you'd have an nfs server and a mythtv machine separately?
[11:34] <MythbuntuGuest24> so can i use mythbuntu as frontend and just use mythtv as a backend
[11:35] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest24, directhex is correct.  Ideally, what you want is to have your backend be seperate, in the other room.  Then have frontends that can be smaller and quieter located around connected via the network
[11:35] <camelreef> Guest24, mythbuntu is ubuntu with MythTV neatly packaged and can be used for both back and frontend
[11:36] <directhex> ideally. except in my house, where the only working aerial socket is next to the tv :/
[11:36] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest24, if you are just planning on running mythtv on these systems then yes, install mythbuntu
[11:36] <directhex> hence the 8-disk noisy system
[11:36] <MythbuntuGuest24> on the server/backend i plan on using it as a filer server and a print server as well
[11:37] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, yes you are correct in your setup, I was more pointing out the answer to the question, not talking about ideal setups
[11:37] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest24, i'd still install mythbuntu then if I were you
[11:37] <tgm4883_laptop> that should be easily setup from within XFCE
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest24> ok
[11:37] <MythbuntuGuest24> sounds good
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest24> also you guys recommend 64bit or 32bit?
[11:38] <directhex> doesn't really matter
[11:38] <directhex> 64-bit should do transcodey things faster
[11:38] <tgm4883_laptop> wow, i'm seeding at 1.5Mbps
[11:38] <camelreef> I would say 32 if you intent to play VC-1 HD content properly
[11:38] <tgm4883_laptop> camelreef, why is that?
[11:38] <MythbuntuGuest24> i dont plan on making the htpc until later on
[11:39] <MythbuntuGuest24> maybe a year or so
[11:39] <tgm4883_laptop> i'd go with whatever your hardware supports
[11:39] <camelreef> I have 64bit and have to strugle with ffmpeg's implementation when the win32codecs couls word=k better
[11:39] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[11:39] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest24, so you can patch in support for closed-source windows binary codecs like coreavc
[11:39] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest24, i'd not use that as a major plus-point personally
[11:39] <camelreef> but the win64codecs do not have the vc-1 (=wmv9) dll
[11:40] <camelreef> well, I would say properly displayed 1080p HD without tearing is a plus point
[11:40] <camelreef> but I'm in prod in 64 bit and probably would do better with 32
[11:40] <tgm4883_laptop> Note: WMV9 codecs on amd64 currently seem to work only in VLC, the latest version of Mplayer (>= Version 1.0rc1), and Xine.
[11:41] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not contained in there ^^^?
[11:41] <camelreef> I have mplayer from svn
[11:41] <directhex> camelreef, how much *legit* vc1 playback is anyone going to be doing on linux?
[11:41] <camelreef> and it plays with the ffmpeg implementation, just sub-par
[11:41] <camelreef> directhex, shhhhhhhh
[11:41] <camelreef> ;o)
[11:41] <laga> hehehe
[11:42] <camelreef> ther is zero legit, that's for sure
[11:42] <MythbuntuGuest24> alright guys thanks for your help
[11:42] <camelreef> win32codecs is certainly not legit either
[11:42] <directhex> i don't use it!
[11:42] <directhex> haven't had problems for a while, actually
[11:43] <camelreef> I do, enough said for me :o)
[11:43] <camelreef> now, my mythfrontend logs have stopped in /var/log/mythtv ! aaaargh !
[11:44] <camelreef> and upstream mythtv is a pain
[11:45] <DaveMorris> win32codecs are legit if you have an unsed copy of Windows XP :)
[11:45] <camelreef> hmmm, I do have one, OK
[11:45] <laga> stopped?
[11:45] <camelreef> semi
[11:46] <camelreef> good enough
[11:46] <camelreef> rarely used
[11:46] <camelreef> I still have a dual boot machine for photography work
[11:46] <camelreef> color management and all
[11:47] <camelreef> so, what about those logs ?
[11:47] <camelreef> they are back in ~/.xsessions-errors
[11:49] <camelreef> 2 changes on my system that could have cause it
[11:49] <camelreef> 1. move to a new user
[11:49] <camelreef> 2. a mythtv packages update 1 or 2 days ago
[11:49] <camelreef> 3. the session change from openbox to xfce
[11:50] <camelreef> so that's 3 possible reasons
[11:51] <laga> god i hate hacking on the control centre
[11:51] <laga> camelreef: hum
[11:52] <laga> camelreef: can you find out how mythfrontend is started please? or bug DaveMorris or superm1 to tell ya
[11:52] <DaveMorris> btw the screenshot on wikipedia for mythbunu needs updating, but I don't know how to do that
[11:52] <DaveMorris> camelreef: whats the contents of .xsession-errors?
[11:53] <tgm4883_laptop> DaveMorris, I'll see what I can do for that
[11:53] <camelreef> I have the mythfrontend.desktop on ~/.config/autostart
[11:54] <camelreef> and the .desktop file has a dry Exec=mythfrontend
[11:54] <DaveMorris> I think you need to regestiored for it, grab the screen shots from http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/3 I guess
[11:54] <camelreef> if this is where you want to specify output redirection
[11:55] <DaveMorris> to create logs
[11:55] <camelreef> DaveMorris, uh?
[11:56] <DaveMorris> sorry my system almost froze and was very slow
[11:56] <DaveMorris> I'm not sure what your trying to do
[11:56] <camelreef> DaveMorris, .xsession-ewrrors has all the output that was going to /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log
[11:57] <camelreef> that's ~/.xsessions-errors for the user running mythfrontend
[11:57] <DaveMorris> ok
[11:58] <camelreef> I have the mythfrontend.desktop on ~/.config/autostart
[11:58] <camelreef> and the .desktop file has a dry Exec=mythfrontend
[11:58] <DaveMorris> try changing 'Exec=mythfrontend' to 'Exec=mythfrontend >  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log'
[11:59] <DaveMorris> but before hand what does 'touch  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log' give you when you put that into a term
[11:59] <camelreef> just confirming, you want me to edit by hand the following file: /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop
[11:59] <DaveMorris> yeah, if you could
[12:00] <camelreef> I already deleted /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log and touched it again, then double-checked perms
[12:00] <laga> uh
[12:00] <DaveMorris> oh, it should prob be '>>' rather than '>'
[12:00] <camelreef> -rw-rw-r--  1 mythtv    mythtv         0 2007-10-03 19:37 mythfrontend.log
[12:00] <laga> wait a second :)
[12:00] <camelreef> it was not filling when I did the delete/touch/perms
[12:01] <camelreef> laga ?
[12:01] <laga> IMHO, the desktop icon shouldn't log to a file.. i tend to think of /var/log/mythtv as a location for service/daemon logs. however, if it's automatically started it should clearly be logging to that file
[12:01] <laga> where has startmythtv.sh gone?!
[12:02] <camelreef> laga, so where should that be set ?
[12:02] <laga> i have no clue
[12:02] <DaveMorris> It's coz it's been moved to xfce with the way xfce starts programs
[12:02] <laga> it looks like i won't be entirely happy with the move to xfce.
[12:02] <laga> especially wrt memory usage
[12:02] <DaveMorris> which is why you can now log out of mythtv and edit your settings on the desktop
[12:02] <camelreef> what was the logic behinf the xfce move, btw ?
[12:02] <laga> i have yet to get some sane numbers, but 128M in XFCE alone is insane.
[12:03] <DaveMorris> laga I run xfce on my 366mhz 128MB laptop no prob, so it's not heavy or anything
[12:03] <laga> DaveMorris: i'll have to get some figures
[12:04] <camelreef> oh, this is where my RAM has gone ! I had noticed that I started to swap a bit
[12:04] <DaveMorris> camelreef: looks and feels alot more like kde/gnome which most people are used to, an applet so we can use the network manager thing for wireless networks
[12:05] <DaveMorris> linux will use all your ram up anyway, as it won't bother clearing stuff till it needs it again, I've allways running with 2GB used at work, although the swap never gets touched
[12:05] <camelreef> what's wrong with sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces? ;o)
[12:05] <camelreef> nah nah nah, I understand RAM use and caching, less swapping when not needed
[12:06] <laga> DaveMorris: i was already looking at the numbers w/o cache :)
[12:07] <DaveMorris> well like I said I run it on my 3 laptops ranging from the one mention above upto a 650mhz 256mb machine and they all are surprising responsive, and I can easily do my browsing and everything (OOo is a bitch though)
[12:08] <pdragon04> woo finally home and downloading beta
[12:08] <camelreef> try changing 'Exec=mythfrontend' to 'Exec=mythfrontend >>  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log' nope, not working
[12:09] <DaveMorris> no logging or dosen't run?
[12:09] <laga> DaveMorris: OOo is always a bitch
[12:09] <DaveMorris> can you put ` at either end
[12:09] <DaveMorris> like Exec=`mythfrontend >>  /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log`
[12:09] <camelreef> not logging, I get "Invalid argument: >>" in the ~/.xsession-errors
[12:10] <camelreef> lemme try
[12:10] <camelreef> with single quotes
[12:10] <DaveMorris> the ` tell it to run it all as one command
[12:11] <DaveMorris> note it's ` not '
[12:12] <camelreef> ah
[12:12] <camelreef> back quotes
[12:13] <camelreef> ** (xfce4-session:9577): WARNING **: Unable to launch "`mythfrontend >> /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log`" (specified by autostart/mythtv.desktop): Failed to execute child process "`mythfrontend" (No such file or directory)
[12:13] <camelreef> same as with the single quotes
[12:14] <laga> ought to fix this properly :)
[12:14] <DaveMorris> suggestions?
[12:14] <camelreef> back to the >> invalid arg with "
[12:15] <camelreef> wrapper startup script ?
[12:15] <laga> DaveMorris: get some of the magic of startmythtv.sh back into place.
[12:15] <spoky99> laga: I search into the official faq and.. I find other things
[12:15] <DaveMorris> or I cna look at it proparly rather than talking to my g/f :)
[12:15] <DaveMorris> right.
[12:15] <camelreef>  startmythtv.sh sounds like a wrapper script to me :o)
[12:16] <DaveMorris> there is a --logfile flag which you can pass in
[12:16] <spoky99> laga: about the time variable and the log-out or halt of mythbackend
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #148756 in lirc (main) "lirc_gpio module cannot be loaded in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148756
[12:16] <camelreef> ok, so the logs issue is in good hands
[12:16] <camelreef> next topic
[12:17] <camelreef> DaveMorris, stop having a life, and get us logs, dammit ! :o)
[12:17] <camelreef> next topic:
[12:17] <camelreef> !bug 136533
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136533 in mythtv "OSD fonts badly rendered when watching 16:9 TV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136533
[12:17] <spoky99> laga: I see that the $time variable is write only if the back end end one programmed record
[12:17] <camelreef> mythtv upstream has difficult people
[12:17] <laga> camelreef: yeah..
[12:17] <spoky99> laga: I made some mistake
[12:18] <laga> spoky99: is it working now?
[12:18] <camelreef> I'm trying to fight my way through on the mailing list, though, but I may need backup support
[12:18] <laga> camelreef: -dev?
[12:19] <camelreef> I understand FAQs, google, mailing list archives, etc... but....
[12:19] <spoky99> laga: O_o the mediacenter?.. no is at home :(
[12:19] <camelreef> laga, nah, -users, probably a mistake
[12:19] <camelreef> but the upstream ticket got closed in 5mn
[12:19] <camelreef> laga, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-October/197741.html
[12:20] <laga> spoky99: i don't understand what you're trying to tell me then, sorry. howeer, i'm not an expert when it comes to that stuff, maybe you should ask on the mythtv-users mailing list
[12:20] <laga> camelreef: i try to stay away from -users, but i'll read it later
[12:20] <camelreef> sure, go get insulted over there....
[12:21] <camelreef> as recomended in launchpad, I went and openned my ticket, it is closed now...
[12:21] <camelreef> whet would you recommend now ?
[12:21] <laga> camelreef: it was me who recommended that.
[12:21] <camelreef> persevere in -users or go to -dev ?
[12:21] <DaveMorris> camelreef: got a link to the ticket?
[12:21] <camelreef> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4044#comment:2
[12:21] <camelreef> and marked as upstream bug un launchpad
[12:21] <laga> camelreef: michael t dean is "sphery" on irc, one of the ymthtv devs AFAIK.
[12:22] <laga> camelreef: he brought up your problem in #mythtv-dev earlier, asking if it was possible to backport a fix.
[12:22] <camelreef> is that on @mythtv on this network ?
[12:22] <camelreef> #mythtv
[12:22] <camelreef> aaaah !
[12:22] <spoky99> laga: I trying to make mythbuntu restart for one programmed record using acpi, I tryed the script
[12:23] <laga> spoky99: i do realize that, but i can't help you with that, i'm sorry.
[12:23] <laga> camelreef: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-October/197779.html
[12:23] <laga> ^^
[12:23] <DaveMorris> camelreef: basically they closed it as it's a support question, rather than a bug with mythtv as such.
[12:24] <laga> 22:39 < sphery> Chutt: Do you think your "Xinerama for recent versions of X" fix ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14520 ) is good for -fixes?  There's a user who seems to be affected by it who was arguing with Daniel on Trac about the validity of his ticket.
[12:24] <laga> 22:41 < sphery> I think it would be much easier to get him to configure his system correctly if that issue were fixed in -fixes.
[12:24] <spoky99> laga: escuse me :) I understood that you don't understand me... my for my bad english :)
[12:24] <laga> spoky99: heh, sorry. yes, i understood your problem but i can't help you with it :) there are other places who can. no worries, your english is fine
[12:24] <camelreef> laga, thanks for this
[12:25] <camelreef> I replied to his message, though
[12:25] <camelreef> and tried stuff
[12:25] <spoky99> laga: thanks!
[12:25] <camelreef> http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-October/197797.html
[12:25] <laga> camelreef: no worries, your issue will likely get fixed
[12:25] <spoky99> laga: I thunk that was a problem of mythbuntu and... not of mythtv :)
[12:26] <laga> spoky99: it's a general linux question rather :)
[12:26] <camelreef> support issue, not a bug, but discussing about something for -fixes... logical! how dumb can I be? ;o)
[12:26] <camelreef> laga, cool
[12:26] <laga> camelreef: looks like a communication problem upstream :)
[12:27] <camelreef> now if that getrs fixed, I'm a happy man !
[12:27] <laga> camelreef: interestingly enough, i can see the xinerama option too on my single head setup
[12:27] <camelreef> mine is single head too
[12:27] <camelreef> nada xinerama setup wilingly
[12:28] <camelreef> anyway, thanks guys for the support and mythbuntu
[12:28] <laga> no problem
[12:28] <camelreef> bed time around my part of Scotland
[12:28] <laga> past bed time in germany ;)
[12:29] <laga> havent had dinenr yet, though
[12:29] <camelreef> gotta love opensource and the Internet
[12:29] <laga> yup
[12:29] <laga> 99% porn, 1% open source
[12:29] <laga> the internet, that is
[12:29] <camelreef> hehe
[12:29] <laga> camelreef: lucky stomach. g'night :)
[12:29] <camelreef> night night
[12:35] <pdragon04> hmm... my torrent is saying the tracker is down. going really slow now
[12:36] <laga> tgm4883: ping ^^
[12:38] <DaveMorris> well I've fixed the logging issue, I'll work out what package I need to fix tomorrow and get it built
[12:41] <laga> how did ya fix it
[12:42] <DaveMorris> in the usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop file I added --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log to the exec bit
[12:42] <DaveMorris> then created the mythtv dir and changed owner:group to mythtv and gave group write permissions
[12:42] <DaveMorris> mythtv in /usr/log that is
[12:43] <laga> dont do that
[12:43] <DaveMorris> how come?
[12:43] <laga> the packages are doing that, IIRC
[12:43] <laga> lemme check
[12:43] <DaveMorris> not on my system, the dir didn't exist
[12:43] <laga> hum, i think it only does in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[12:43] <laga> which we're not using anymore
[12:44] <DaveMorris> doh
[12:44] <laga> DaveMorris: so, how does the user go about starting mythwelcome?
[12:44] <DaveMorris> whats mythwelcome?
[12:44] <DaveMorris> I've just checked
[12:45] <DaveMorris> we basically need to add it to the menu's which are shipped
[12:45] <laga> some nice frontend to the frontend which will be started if a combined frontend/backend starts up automagically for a recording
[12:45] <laga> useful for automagic shutdown, too
[12:46] <DaveMorris> and we also need to pass in the same logfile flag and variables
[12:46] <laga> what menus?
[12:47] <laga> mythwelcome doesnt really support many flags, AFAIK
[12:47] <laga> check startmythtv.sh how i did it
[12:47] <DaveMorris> the applications->multimedia->
[12:48] <laga> what about autostart? how can the user choose what to start automagically?
[12:48] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing that should be in the m-c-c
[12:49] <laga> hum
[12:49] <laga> used to me /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[12:49] <laga> err, be
[12:49] <laga> where you could also set stuff like verbosity flags
[12:49] <DaveMorris> I know xfce has support for auto starting your gnome/kde settings
[12:50] <DaveMorris> s/settings/auto start applications
[12:50] <tgm4883> laga: pong
[12:50] <DaveMorris> I see what you mean about mythwelcome flags, thats nasty
[12:50] <laga> tgm4883: pdragon04 has a problem with the tracker
[12:50] <tgm4883> pdragon04, what client do you use?
[12:50] <DaveMorris> I've got tracker error 3
[12:51] <pdragon04> it's downloading fast now, but azureus is saying the tracker is down
[12:51] <DaveMorris> with azerus, bbut it's still uploading
[12:51] <pdragon04> other torrents are running fine
[12:51] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, pdragon04, is this for both torrents?
[12:51] <DaveMorris> amd64 here
[12:51] <pdragon04> i'm only doing i386
[12:52] <tgm4883> ok
[12:52] <DaveMorris> i386 says OK (dht:) for me
[12:52] <DaveMorris> /fraking emoticons
[12:54] <laga> DaveMorris: cant we just execute startmythtv.sh in that icon? or make two .desktop files, one for a more daemon-ish behaviour?
[12:54] <DaveMorris> can do, not sure which way superm1 wants to go.  But I need to goto bed as I'm shattered and was gonna go 90 mins ago
[12:55] <laga> DaveMorris: oh, sorry. sleep well!
[12:56] <laga> Automatic Login & Artwork Change automatic login from [Disabled]  to [Deaktiviert] .
[12:56] <laga> i think this sounds like trouble.
[12:56] <hansoffate|work> I got a question about HD.  If I got an HDMI slot and a DVI slot, is there any difference between the two?  I heard that DVI is actually better to use then HDMI when going from a graphics card.
[12:56] <pdragon04> finished downloading the torrent and it changed to being up
[12:57] <pdragon04> oop... nope dht tracker
[12:57] <DaveMorris> hdmi does audio and drm
[12:58] <hansoffate|work> DaveMorris i just got a video card for my HTPC that supports HDMI, SVIDEO, and DVI.  which would you suggest I use?
[12:59] <hansoffate|work> obviously the video card won't transfer the audio over HDMI, so I guess i'll have to hook up my audio analog
[01:00] <laga> there are some cards which can do that, btw
[01:00] <laga> using some special cable
[01:00] <hansoffate|work> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127301
[01:02] <tgm4883> pdragon04, DaveMorris how is the tracker now?
[01:05] <pdragon04> giving Tracker error 3
[01:05] <tgm4883> how strange
[01:05] <pdragon04> on a dht tracker now
[01:05] <tgm4883> I just booted up my laptop, I'm getting everything fine on my laptop, but tracker 3 errors on my desktop
[01:06] <pdragon04> someone on the dht has a kickass upload speed so i didn't mind after a little while :)
[01:08] <tgm4883> hmm, the linux tracker site is pretty slow right now too
[01:09] <Daviey> hansoffate|work: my HDMI card does sound IIRC
[01:15] <hansoffate|work> IIRC?
[01:15] <hansoffate|work> if i recall/remember correctly?
[01:15] <Daviey> yup
[01:15] <hansoffate|work> sweet
[01:15] <hansoffate|work> good to know
[01:15] <hansoffate|work> im going to try to set this up this weekend
[01:16] <Daviey> I used DVI atm, as i don't have a HDMI cable :)
[01:16] <Daviey> but when i borrowed one, i'm sure it worked
[01:16] <hansoffate|work> did you have to hook up your mobo and video card with spdif?
[01:16] <hansoffate|work> and the current nvidia drivers will wirk?
[01:16] <hansoffate|work> work*
[01:17] <Daviey> erm, the mobo has onboard HDMI :)
[01:17] <hansoffate|work> oh
[01:17] <hansoffate|work> wow
[01:17] <hansoffate|work> nice
[01:17] <hansoffate|work> what mobo?
[01:17] <Daviey> lemme check
[01:18] <Daviey> MSI K9AGM2-FIH
[01:19] <Daviey> just checked a review... does carry sound
[01:20] <Daviey> There was no (obvious) difference between hdmi and dvi tho
[01:20] <hansoffate|work> thanks, if I can get this working this weekend.  I am brining it to a friends house to use his HDTV and hook it up.  If it works, he wants me to build him a Mythtv HD system
[01:20] <Daviey> HD system... hmm - make sure it has the horse power
[01:20] <laga> superm1: ping.
[01:20] <hansoffate|work> for his build, i may try a mobo that supports HDMI
[01:21] <hansoffate|work> but i think it may need the dedicated videocard for HDMI to take the load off the CPU
[01:21] <directhex> lots of horsies needed
[01:21] <directhex> well. depends on whether it's mpeg2 or h264