[05:19] <sbalneav> Evening all
[06:00] <hungrysa1> anyone here do PHP?
[10:39] <stgraber> ogra, sbalneav: I'm looking for a cheap thin clients (not old computer), do you know of a good one, is http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/ltsp_t1000.html now supposed to work with Gutsy ?
[10:41] <ogra> stgraber, its the worst HW i know ...
[10:41] <stgraber> hehe, any suggestion then ? :)
[10:41] <ogra> rather spend 20-50 bucks more and have something proper
[10:41] <RichEd> hi ogra ... got your desktop art from Jill ... will forward to you in a bit
[10:41] <ogra> ebay is a good source
[10:42] <ogra> RichEd, thanks :)
[11:13] <rockprincess> howdy!
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, ! :)
[11:26] <rockprincess> howdy Kamping_Kaiser! Long time, no speak! :) How's it going?
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, i know ! i'm working full time atm - i should be doing some work now ( didnt go to work today :S), but i'm reading a book then ill be having a hack
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, hows things been, i havent seen anything from you in ages
[11:32] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: ohh what book are you reading currently?
[11:33] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: i know i know. I've been quite lazy, but actually at the moment I'm really close to finishing my paper on the edubuntu project at my local highschool ..... :D after it has been reviewed by my supervisor at uni it's time to crack open the champagne :D
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, let us know when its time , i'll be in on that ;)
[11:34] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: for sure :D
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was reading "when sysadmins ruled the earth" by doctorow, intersting short story
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> endings not wonderful imo, but i cant do better :)
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot!
[11:34] <rockprincess> ohh would you recommend it?
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you want something to kill 1-2 hours, definately
[11:35] <rockprincess> good! :) I'll be looking out for that!
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> the version on his blog is a bit drafty, just a tic
[11:37] <rockprincess> do you know if there's a recommendation for the hardware of an edubuntu server by the edubuntu developer team, something like this (sorry it's only in german, but you get the point) http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu/Konzept ....i think it might be a bit outdated
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://baens-universe.com/articles/When_Sysadmins_Ruled_the_Earth
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> looking
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, are you after recommended hardware spec, or a list of hardware to run on?
[11:40] <rockprincess> recommended hardware, hardware that would run an edubuntu server best.....
[11:40] <rockprincess> which would be like a "guide" for my paper
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc thers an offical minimum spec+how to change it for extra users, but not a list of 'buy this computer and it will do the job'
[11:44] <rockprincess> ok cool, where do I find this minimum specs?
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> um, let me look
[11:47] <rockprincess> my specs were: 1 AMD Athlon 64 3800+, 2.4 Ghz  Processor + 1 Mainboard Socket-AM2 ASUS M2NPV-VM + 2x DDR2-RAM 1024MB, PC2-800 Mhz + 1 SATA II Seagate Barracuda, 320 GB + 1 LG GSA-H50N DVD Burner + 1 Midi Tower Thermaltake ATX + 1 additional Network Card 3Com BROADCOM 5904
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> broadcom== ewwwww
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, sorry, might have missed stuff :(
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> got your server spec, replied:
 broadcom== ewwwww
[11:54] <rockprincess> i know i know, but it was for free so i didn't mind using it
 rockprincess, is that a server you have built, or plan to build?
[11:55] <rockprincess> i've built.....but i didn't think of it as a "server" when i bought the components rather more than a personal computer that i now use at home, because i only used the server for like 4-5 months at school, then my project was over....
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah right
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, reasonably offical: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneHardware
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> HardwareRequirements page isnt to crash hot
[12:03] <rockprincess> cheers, my man! that's what I was looking for ;)
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe, np.
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think the HardwareRequirements page should have some example servers - x users, doing x applications, needs xx server
[12:04] <rockprincess> that'd be a great idea, to give people an idea what they can do with it....
[12:04] <rockprincess> e.g. what it's capable of!
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> zactly :)
[12:06] <rockprincess> a recommendation towards a switch/hub and network cards would also be a good idea, because that's actually the reason why it was so slow for me :(
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> good idea
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> it meantions for the server, but not clients
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> WHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the password for our CA key has been found!
[12:09] <rockprincess> yeah i thought the (thin) clients could be anything really?!
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> technically they can
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> but depending on what you want to do with them you'll need more or less bandwidth
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> where it talks of the server card it says '2mb is ok, but you might need up to 70'
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> now try and pump 70mb through a 10mb card ;)
[12:10] <rockprincess> haha indeed!
[12:11] <rockprincess> i used 6 clients with my setup but would have loved to use another 7 clients....
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> The Hut has ~20 clients
[12:12] <rockprincess> The Hut?
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> thankfully the switch is a good bit of gear, and we have gigabit uplink from the server -> switch.
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> community group where i use LTSP
[12:12] <rockprincess> ahhh nice!
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3.6gb backplane iirc. netgear
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> its got fiber inputs, just got no fiber in the server :)
[12:14] <rockprincess> what does such a switch cost currently?
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure, we bought it two years ago
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm lagging like hell atm :( sites arnt loading properly
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant find the switch in the network, so i cant look it up exactly
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> The following error message indicates that a problem has occurred on the Web server that hosts the Web site at the time the error is returned.
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> suppose the blame wasnt entirely unjustified...
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, its roughly this: http://netgear.com/Products/Switches/Layer2ManagedSwitches/FSM726S.aspx?detail=Specifications
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant work out exactcly
[02:59] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[03:00] <Keneo> lo
[04:20] <sbalneav> ogra: You around dude?
[04:20] <ogra> yep
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya
[04:20] <ogra> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04basics.html?em&ex=1191643200&en=343f36ba48d9c688&ei=5087%0A
[04:20] <ogra> :)
[04:21] <sbalneav> I'm having a problem here which, quite frankly, is terrifying me.
[04:21] <ogra> me too, me too
[04:21] <sbalneav> All of my workstations are via edens EPIA 5000 mobos.
[04:21] <ogra> i'm near the point where i just drop the progress bar in favor of "please wait ..."
[04:22] <sbalneav> since I've moved to gutsy LTSP on this one machine, we keep getting USB mouse dropouts.
[04:22] <ogra> hmm
[04:22] <sbalneav> Mouse light goes out
[04:22] <sbalneav> plugging and unplugging it doesn't do anything
[04:22] <sbalneav> dmesg keeps spitting out:
[04:23] <sbalneav> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[04:23] <shriphani> hello sbalneav, ogra
[04:23] <ogra> hmm, try #ubuntu-kernel
[04:23] <sbalneav> ok
[04:23] <ogra> i'd have guessed udev, but that looks rather like a kernel issue
[12:17] <LaserJock> Amaranth: heah, thanks for the response, I should get the interview up soon