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| DaSkreech | nixternal: ping | 01:32 |
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| nixternal | DaSkreech: pong? | 02:09 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: should I suck it down and do a gutsy upgrade? or is stuff still broken? | 02:10 |
| nixternal | do it man, I have been running Gutsy since April, or May, or whenever they opened up the repos | 02:10 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah yeah | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | I'm talking about a dist-upgrade to gutsy currently ;-P | 02:12 |
| nixternal | I did it this past week, you are fine | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | is that knowningly borked currently? | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | If not | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | I BLAME NIXTERNAL! | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | :-D | 02:12 |
| nixternal | it was only borked for a couple of hours due to a FTBS on volumeid I think | 02:13 |
| DaSkreech | OK | 02:13 |
| jjesse | i'm still dealing w/ my upgrade | 02:15 |
| jjesse | acpi doesn't work correctly, kubuntu-desktop won't install | 02:15 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: When was that? | 02:15 |
| DaSkreech | Weekend? | 02:16 |
| jjesse | i upgraded on frdiay | 02:16 |
| jjesse | and it was horible | 02:16 |
| jjesse | adept_updater still complains that i can' get things to finish successfully | 02:16 |
| jjesse | acpi powermanager and kubuntu-desktop won't update | 02:16 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah that's when I was going to upgrade and I heard your tears splashing down the courtyard from here in the Tropics | 02:17 |
| DaSkreech | Decided against it | 02:17 |
| DaSkreech | but this is 5 days later so I'm going to give you my experience | 02:17 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: SHould I do a GUI upgrade? | 02:18 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: yes you should and post comments on how it went | 02:18 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: Ah should I follow a set of recommended steps then? | 02:19 |
| === DaSkreech pokes jjesse. Should I follow Riddell's link? | ||
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: follow me, its not dangerous even if its dark in my cave | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | muhahahahahahahaa | 02:22 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: sorry was getting coffee | 02:22 |
| jjesse | yes follow the recommedations | 02:22 |
| DaSkreech | ok Let me go find the post | 02:23 |
| nixternal | interesting, Gnome has just recently gotten an international clock? I figured that would have been around since day one | 02:23 |
| nixternal | that is what I have enjoyed about KDE's clock, I can add as many locations as I want, and when I hover, I can see what time it is in the places I have selected | 02:24 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 02:24 |
| DaSkreech | they have conduit which makes up for that ;-( | 02:24 |
| DaSkreech | Oh | 02:31 |
| DaSkreech | maybe someone can help me with my "issue" | 02:31 |
| DaSkreech | I upgraded to the new emacs | 02:31 |
| DaSkreech | The old one keeps openeing though | 02:31 |
| DaSkreech | This is the most pleasant nerve wracking experience I've had in a long time :) | 02:35 |
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| jjesse | how is your upgrade going? | 02:45 |
| Tm_T | hmm hmmm | 02:46 |
| Tm_T | it happened again | 02:46 |
| Tm_T | dist-upgrade destroyed my KDE gestures | 02:46 |
| nixternal | my emacs22 works like a champ | 02:46 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: well here is the funny thing | 02:46 |
| DaSkreech | I have emacs set to auto start | 02:47 |
| DaSkreech | that starts up as aemacs21 | 02:47 |
| DaSkreech | if I just start emacs after that it's emacs22 | 02:47 |
| nixternal | and emacs21 isn't installed? | 02:47 |
| nixternal | what are you using to autostart emacs? | 02:48 |
| nixternal | ~/.kde/Autostart? | 02:48 |
| DaSkreech | session | 02:55 |
| jjesse | hmm still having problems w/ locales on updates | 02:58 |
| jjesse | nixternal: history channel is running a cool thing about chicago and al capone right now | 03:01 |
| nixternal | I wonder if it is a new one? | 03:02 |
| nixternal | tonight is all about the Cubs anyways, Al Capone, though we love him dearly, will have to wait :) | 03:03 |
| jjesse | oh cubs are on? | 03:03 |
| nixternal | 9pm | 03:03 |
| nixternal | 1 hour | 03:03 |
| nixternal | Zambrano vs. Webb, game 1 | 03:03 |
| nixternal | Cubbies will sweep | 03:03 |
| jjesse | who are they playing? | 03:03 |
| nixternal | even if Arizona took 4 of 6 this season | 03:03 |
| jjesse | ah arizona | 03:04 |
| nixternal | you are literally 60 miles away from me, I know your news, it is all over the TV, don't play all "I'm a Tiger's fan" on me :) | 03:04 |
| jjesse | hey i've been in columbus all week, all i've heard ist stupid indians stuff | 03:04 |
| nixternal | heh, the teacher is teaching javascript arrays, and I am reading mlb.com and nhl.com | 03:04 |
| jjesse | grin way to pay attention | 03:05 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I had students like that | 03:05 |
| DaSkreech | none for JS though | 03:05 |
| DaSkreech | They listened | 03:05 |
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| nixternal | man, javascript arrays are the same as every other languages array, but they also incorporate vector functions...cool | 03:07 |
| jjesse | nice they are the same but different | 03:07 |
| nixternal | ya right :) | 03:07 |
| nixternal | push_back, pop, and all of the fun stuff | 03:07 |
| jjesse | i love how the amount of karma in launchpad i gain each day doing bug work is equal to the amount i lose each day :( | 03:11 |
| nixternal | hahahahaha | 03:14 |
| nixternal | I totally gave up following karma | 03:14 |
| nixternal | I am sure I am probably at 0 | 03:14 |
| nixternal | hell, I have like 24 translation karma points...ummm, ok :) | 03:14 |
| jjesse | i want to trade karma points in for a plasma tv | 03:14 |
| nixternal | ghahahahaha | 03:14 |
| nixternal | hahahhaa, dude, don't ever do that again | 03:14 |
| nixternal | hahahah, like frequent flyer miles | 03:15 |
| jjesse | why not? | 03:15 |
| nixternal | I just laughed out loud for real | 03:15 |
| DaSkreech | A Buddhist plasma TV? | 03:15 |
| jjesse | did i get you in trouble | 03:15 |
| nixternal | my teacher could really care less | 03:15 |
| jjesse | ha | 03:15 |
| nixternal | ahhh, he said "the last thing we are going to go over tonight..." | 03:16 |
| nixternal | which means he wants out of here to watch the Cubbies :) | 03:16 |
| jjesse | cubbies are going to lose | 03:16 |
| DaSkreech | Oh dude that's flippin awesome | 03:16 |
| DaSkreech | pc-BSD allws you to do xconfigure on boot | 03:16 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I hope you wet the bed tonight! | 03:16 |
| DaSkreech | That's brilliant | 03:16 |
| nixternal | dude, PC-BSD flies! | 03:17 |
| jjesse | hey its not my bed its the hotels | 03:17 |
| nixternal | gahahaha | 03:17 |
| jjesse | wow i didn't know al capone died of an std | 03:18 |
| jjesse | that's great | 03:18 |
| nixternal | hehe, oh ya, we like to think nobody else knows about that though...makes us look like a tougher city | 03:19 |
| nixternal | :p | 03:19 |
| jjesse | what a bad ass | 03:19 |
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| jjesse | hello Jucato | 03:20 |
| jjesse | rebooting, be back in a bit | 03:20 |
| Jucato | good evening jjesse! :) | 03:21 |
| DaSkreech | ooooh so close | 03:22 |
| Jucato | to what? | 03:23 |
| DaSkreech | to him seeing the greeting | 03:25 |
| Jucato | ah.. | 03:25 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: guten morgen | 03:25 |
| Jucato | guten.... evening :) | 03:26 |
| Tm_T | haha | 03:26 |
| Jucato | or afternoon :) | 03:26 |
| Tm_T | 0426 here | 03:26 |
| Jucato | guten morgen too? | 03:26 |
| Tm_T | very early, but yes | 03:27 |
| Jucato | why are you up so early? trying to catch a worm? | 03:27 |
| Tm_T | well I slept last 2 days over basicly... | 03:27 |
| Jucato | 48 hours of sleep? kool! | 03:28 |
| DaSkreech | 50% | 03:28 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: not slept thru but almost | 03:28 |
| Tm_T | and not Kool, by back is hurting now really bad | 03:28 |
| Jucato | aw.. :( | 03:29 |
| DaSkreech | Alleve? | 03:29 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: que? | 03:29 |
| DaSkreech | Alleve. They always advertise about how good they are for back pain | 03:29 |
| Tm_T | if its not heavy drug... | 03:30 |
| Tm_T | heavy as morphine | 03:30 |
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| DaSkreech | Oh that bad? | 03:31 |
| Tm_T | well I'm eating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine based drugs currently | 03:32 |
| Tm_T | and still have pains | 03:32 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah codeine is pretty addiction inducing | 03:32 |
| Tm_T | + I eat drugs for my head | 03:32 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: thats why I eat only when I really have to | 03:33 |
| DaSkreech | and you sleep all the time | 03:33 |
| Tm_T | nope | 03:33 |
| Tm_T | half of the time I cant sleep | 03:33 |
| Jucato | wb jjesse | 03:33 |
| Jucato | and good evening | 03:33 |
| jjesse | thanks Jucato | 03:33 |
| Tm_T | when I finally can then I really do sleep | 03:33 |
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| DaSkreech | What's with the back pain? | 03:36 |
| Tm_T | who knows | 03:37 |
| Tm_T | doctors dont care because I still walk | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: no idea for the version slip? | 03:37 |
| Tm_T | or something | 03:37 |
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| Tm_T | (that means, reason isnt obvious enough) | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | That's stupid I can think of three reasons | 03:38 |
| Tm_T | ? | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | Hooray! | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | Mandriva club is free again! | 03:39 |
| Tm_T | is that similar to Nintendo club? | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | Yes except more mysterious and maligned | 03:40 |
| Tm_T | roger | 03:40 |
| DaSkreech | Pc-BSD relies on KDE4 :) | 03:40 |
| === Jucato wonders what hidden treasures (or worms) mandriva club has accumulated over the years... | ||
| DaSkreech | Well now it's free to join in the hunt :) | 03:43 |
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| cj_ | Jucato: | 03:51 |
| cj_ | hey Jucato | 03:51 |
| cj_ | how are men | 03:51 |
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| Tm_T | er | 03:54 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:55 |
| Jucato | sorry about that | 03:55 |
| Tm_T | you have fanboy? | 03:56 |
| Jucato | I forgot to set my invisibility on :) | 03:57 |
| Jucato | just a countrymate I was trying to convince that I wasn't who he thought I was. so followed me here and there :) | 03:58 |
| Tm_T | and everywhere =) | 03:59 |
| DaSkreech | Fanboy | 04:03 |
| nosrednaekim | heh | 04:03 |
| Jucato | very annoying and embarassing | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | One more upgrade left :) | 04:03 |
| Jucato | and he thinks he's being funny... | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | Are you who he thought you were? | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | you are pretty popular now | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | ha I knew there was a Ubuntu Muslim edition | 04:04 |
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| DaSkreech | Upgrade killed the computer | 04:24 |
| DaSkreech | going to try again | 04:24 |
| DaSkreech | Can't :-( | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | process is locked | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | Ok sorted :) | 04:28 |
| jjesse | all set? | 04:30 |
| jjesse | sorry playing city of heros | 04:30 |
| jjesse | heroes | 04:30 |
| DaSkreech | Ok It's doing the insane CPU thing | 04:32 |
| DaSkreech | If I go it crashed again | 04:32 |
| Jucato | kewl! city of heroes! :) | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | City of villans is better :) | 04:34 |
| Jucato | city of * is better than anything real life | 04:35 |
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| DaSkreech | City of chicago for instance | 04:36 |
| Jucato | phooey :P | 04:38 |
| === DaSkreech bahs as he doesn't like the new kopete | ||
| coreymon77 | huh? | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | Whee new Amarok :) | 04:43 |
| coreymon77 | ubuntu muslim edition? | 04:43 |
| coreymon77 | wtf is that? | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: si | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: Did ubuntu christian edition confuse you? | 04:43 |
| coreymon77 | wtf is the diff? | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | It comes with a prayer time calendar | 04:43 |
| coreymon77 | lol! | 04:43 |
| coreymon77 | that it? | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | Ubuntu Chrisitan edition came with Gnomesword installed | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | Was that it? | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | yeah | 04:44 |
| coreymon77 | gnomesword> | 04:45 |
| coreymon77 | ? | 04:45 |
| coreymon77 | whats that? | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | !info gnomesword | 04:45 |
| ubotu | gnomesword: Bible study with GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.0-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 3502 kB, installed size 5172 kB | 04:45 |
| coreymon77 | LOLOLOLOLOLOL! | 04:45 |
| coreymon77 | any jewish edition? | 04:45 |
| Jucato | ichthux... | 04:45 |
| Jucato | a kde christian edition | 04:46 |
| jjesse | ubuntu christian edition does some crazy script stuff | 04:46 |
| coreymon77 | any jewish ed? | 04:46 |
| DaSkreech | It does now | 04:46 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: yes | 04:46 |
| coreymon77 | whats that do? | 04:46 |
| DaSkreech | there is a satanic edition as well | 04:47 |
| coreymon77 | i know that | 04:47 |
| Jucato | the satanic ed is just a theme though | 04:47 |
| coreymon77 | what does the jew edition do | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | So you know the satanic edition | 04:47 |
| coreymon77 | i was told about it before | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | but not the christian/muslim/jewsih ones? | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | That's interesting | 04:47 |
| coreymon77 | someone gave me a link to it | 04:47 |
| coreymon77 | laughing | 04:47 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: what are you getting at? | 04:48 |
| coreymon77 | DaSkreech: im jewish | 04:48 |
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| Jucato | :P | 04:48 |
| DaSkreech | Just intereting where your knowledge lies | 04:48 |
| DaSkreech | hi hunger_t how are you? | 04:48 |
| coreymon77 | someone showed me that | 04:48 |
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| DaSkreech | Yeah I thought it was a joke the first time I saw it | 04:48 |
| DaSkreech | but people seemed to take it seriously | 04:49 |
| coreymon77 | someone in the kubuntu channel posted the link in the chan | 04:49 |
| DaSkreech | course I thought Mint was a joke as well | 04:49 |
| coreymon77 | laughing | 04:49 |
| DaSkreech | !icthux | 04:49 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about icthux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 04:49 |
| coreymon77 | whats the j. ed do? | 04:49 |
| Jucato | !info ichthux-desktop | 04:49 |
| ubotu | ichthux-desktop: Ichthux desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB | 04:49 |
| DaSkreech | Is that missing a h? | 04:49 |
| DaSkreech | There we go | 04:49 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: much the same as the muslim | 04:49 |
| coreymon77 | ??? | 04:50 |
| coreymon77 | we dont pray 5 times a day | 04:50 |
| coreymon77 | but w.e | 04:50 |
| coreymon77 | thats funny | 04:50 |
| DaSkreech | I guess the muslim one has been up dated | 04:50 |
| DaSkreech | The christian edition is in the news everynow and again | 04:50 |
| DaSkreech | I haven't heard anything from the other two though | 04:51 |
| jjesse | ichtux has been developed since raphink got married | 04:51 |
| DaSkreech | https://launchpad.net/jubuntu | 04:51 |
| DaSkreech | has been? | 04:51 |
| jjesse | nixternal and i have done soem work on ichthux | 04:51 |
| jjesse | hasnt | 04:52 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah it's the one that seems to have the most work and the least amount of press | 04:52 |
| DaSkreech | That's what I thought | 04:52 |
| jjesse | my wife got me a slingbox for our aniversary and i love it | 04:52 |
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| DaSkreech | 50% | 05:01 |
| jjesse | 50% what? | 05:01 |
| DaSkreech | Upgrade | 05:03 |
| jjesse | oh hopefully it goes well | 05:03 |
| DaSkreech | Yes | 05:04 |
| DaSkreech | then I can laugh at the folks at work | 05:04 |
| DaSkreech | Wusses | 05:04 |
| jjesse | i'm thinking about competly redoing my box, especially when gutsy releases | 05:06 |
| jjesse | reinstall windows and gutsy | 05:06 |
| DaSkreech | I promised myself from the first time I heard that I wouldn't reinstall till Kubuntu shipped a KDE4 default install | 05:07 |
| DaSkreech | I have one windows to reinstall but I'm not looking forward to that | 05:07 |
| DaSkreech | I'm kinda surprised that nothing has popped up a dialog to ask me anything yet | 05:09 |
| DaSkreech | Ah here they come | 05:14 |
| jjesse | when i did my upgrade it totally blanked out, which is probablly why i had some many problems post upgrade | 05:14 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: describe the blank out | 05:14 |
| jjesse | all my screens stopped showing text | 05:15 |
| DaSkreech | Mine killed my keyboard and I had a grey square taking up 80% of my monitor and flashing different patterns | 05:15 |
| Jucato | did you reach the part about PAM upgrading and wanting to restart services, with kdm included in that list? | 05:16 |
| DaSkreech | No I did that with the Live cd | 05:17 |
| jjesse | yes i did | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | Allowed it once | 05:17 |
| Jucato | :) | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I've been living off the live CD for a few weeks | 05:17 |
| Jucato | must be nice | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | so everytime I booted up I went through that | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | it was | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | very liberating once you have RAM | 05:18 |
| DaSkreech | Oooh begali fonts | 05:19 |
| Jucato | stdin: ping | 05:25 |
| stdin | Jucato: pong | 05:25 |
| Jucato | let's play ping pong :) | 05:25 |
| Jucato | j/k | 05:25 |
| Jucato | I was just going to ask about your kde4 setup | 05:25 |
| stdin | yeah? | 05:25 |
| Jucato | you installed it on kde-devel or same user? | 05:25 |
| stdin | well I have done both, but what I ended up doing was installing as me, but in /kde4 a shared directory | 05:26 |
| Jucato | hm? | 05:26 |
| stdin | so it's world readable and owner/group writeable | 05:27 |
| stdin | so my kde-devel user can use it, and so can I | 05:27 |
| Jucato | kool. and how about the env vars? | 05:27 |
| stdin | I use the export lines from the beta2 instructions but with modified paths | 05:27 |
| stdin | I'll pastebin it | 05:28 |
| Jucato | I see I see.. | 05:28 |
| jjesse | i have kicker crashing every 5 mintues on my kde 4 build | 05:28 |
| Jucato | you have kicker at all? O.o | 05:28 |
| jjesse | i think its kicker | 05:28 |
| jjesse | trying to remember, something is crashing every 5 mintues | 05:29 |
| Jucato | coz basically I *want* to use a full kde 4 session... but want to be able to use my kde3 apps as me... and I installed it on kde-devel | 05:29 |
| stdin | http://stdin.pastebin.us/39970 | 05:29 |
| jjesse | don't happen to have my vm up | 05:29 |
| Jucato | must be plasma | 05:29 |
| Jucato | I see... | 05:30 |
| Jucato | is it only on kubuntu that you can't su to another user, export DISPLAY=0.0, and still not have authority to run apps from that user? | 05:30 |
| stdin | Jucato: I used kdesvn-build to build it all, so it was downloaded to /kde4/svn, built in /kde4/build and installed to /kde4/root | 05:30 |
| Jucato | and /kde4 is owned by? | 05:31 |
| stdin | Jucato: you need to run "xhost +LOCAL:" to run apps as another user in your display | 05:31 |
| Jucato | hm.. ok.. | 05:31 |
| Jucato | I run that as me or as kde-devel? | 05:31 |
| stdin | as you | 05:31 |
| Jucato | trying | 05:32 |
| Jucato | kewl! thanks! | 05:32 |
| Jucato | now I hope that works in reverse too :O | 05:32 |
| stdin | my /kde4 is stdin:devel (I sometimes work as devel when packaging because my $HOME is getting messy :) | 05:33 |
| Jucato | aah | 05:33 |
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| Jucato | ah do you use Xephyr with kde4 sometimes? | 05:34 |
| stdin | sometimes yeah | 05:34 |
| Jucato | I can't seem to use any keyboard shortcut in kde4 in xephyr, even if it has captured mouse and keyboard input :( | 05:34 |
| stdin | I can after I press Ctrl-Shift | 05:35 |
| Jucato | weird :( | 05:35 |
| stdin | otherwise my current session grabs it | 05:35 |
| Jucato | my kde4 is really fscked up.... | 05:35 |
| Jucato | dolphin crashes when everybody else's doesn't | 05:36 |
| Jucato | gah!! I'll just redo everything again! | 05:36 |
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| stdin | wow, X just Xploded on me :p | 05:41 |
| Jucato | wb stdin :) | 05:41 |
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| DaSkreech | well that broke well | 05:46 |
| DaSkreech | kstartupconfig is broken | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | though that may be smaller of my worries | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | Strange | 06:05 |
| DaSkreech | It installed the 2.6.20 kernel | 06:05 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: ping | 06:07 |
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| nixternal | ARGH! | 06:15 |
| ScottK | URGH! | 06:15 |
| ScottK | ? | 06:15 |
| nixternal | Marmol is blowing it for the Cubs right now | 06:16 |
| ScottK | We are doing Gorilla screams, right? | 06:16 |
| nixternal | I had to shut off the game, I was yelling | 06:16 |
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| ScottK | nixternal: It's the Cubs. It has to work out like that. | 06:16 |
| nixternal | shush you Billy Goat! :) | 06:16 |
| nixternal | the curse of the goat, more like the curse of our relief pitching staff | 06:17 |
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| DaSkreech | kdesudo remembers the password for a time? | 06:36 |
| nixternal | OK, I think I have successfully setup my email addys on the MLs with @kubuntu.org | 06:36 |
| nixternal | 15 minutes | 06:36 |
| DaSkreech | ok _-version-upgrade is now --dist-upgrade for adept_manager ? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | that I don't know, there is a link on the Beta release notes though | 06:39 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 06:40 |
| DaSkreech | digikam won't be upgraded | 06:40 |
| DaSkreech | intentional ? | 06:40 |
| stdin | I think hobbsee noticed that yesterday | 06:41 |
| stdin | upgrading need some work | 06:42 |
| DaSkreech | If i ask it to upgrade it starts removing packages | 06:42 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: bug. Hobbsee fix | 06:42 |
| Jucato | nixternal: saw what I said about you in #kde? :P | 06:42 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 06:42 |
| DaSkreech | Well | 06:42 |
| DaSkreech | Distupgrade went well with a little knowledge | 06:43 |
| DaSkreech | Only crashed twice and showed up two bugs | 06:43 |
| === Jucato thinks dist-upgrade must be used with --install-recommends too | ||
| DaSkreech | Well the --version-upgrade was what I used as per recommendation | 06:45 |
| DaSkreech | My fonts are much prettier | 06:46 |
| Jucato | ---version-upgrade is for adept. ---install-recommends is for apt-get | 06:46 |
| DaSkreech | Wheeeee! gutsy | 06:46 |
| DaSkreech | Now I can laugh at people at work | 06:47 |
| === Jucato spent 24 hours to dist-upgrade | ||
| DaSkreech | i'm a little over 3.5 | 06:47 |
| Jucato | stdin: thanks for the xhost tip :) | 06:48 |
| Jucato | I'll try later to do what I want and run full KDE 4 + kde3 apps | 06:48 |
| DaSkreech | It's much more pleasant | 06:48 |
| DaSkreech | if I ignore my very messy desktop | 06:48 |
| DaSkreech | I'll clean it up this weekend | 06:48 |
| stdin | Jucato: remember to use the command "exactly" as shown, it matters to xhost ;) | 06:49 |
| Jucato | xhost<space>+<space>LOCAL: | 06:50 |
| Jucato | right? | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | xhost is one of those things i bang my head to ge working then never think of again | 06:50 |
| stdin | Jucato: nope :p "xhost +LOCAL:" | 06:50 |
| Jucato | :P | 06:50 |
| stdin | even the last ':' matters there | 06:51 |
| Jucato | hm.. although it worked with the +<space>LOCALE: | 06:51 |
| Jucato | er.. LOCAL: | 06:51 |
| stdin | oh well, as long as the system didn't explode it's ok :) | 06:52 |
| Jucato | oh wait! | 06:53 |
| Jucato | that's what the countdown timer is for... | 06:53 |
| Jucato | exploding in 1 hour... | 06:53 |
| === stdin runs for cover | ||
| Jucato | 1 hour. plenty of time to... | 06:54 |
| stdin | ok | 06:55 |
| === stdin walks for cover | ||
| DaSkreech | Oh | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | Printscreen doesn't work anymore | 06:56 |
| nixternal | from this point on, email for me should go to 'nixternal@kubuntu.org' | 06:56 |
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| Jucato | hahaha | 06:58 |
| Jucato | at least now I'm no longer alone | 06:58 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:58 |
| Jucato | I was like wtf! how come everyone's using @ubuntu.com in the changelogs... | 06:58 |
| Jucato | thinking that it was important in the first place :) | 06:59 |
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| DaSkreech | Ok that's one bug with KDE | 07:02 |
| nixternal | ouch, manchicken's new System76 laptop has caught on fire...well not really on fire, but it doesn't have a backlight anymore...that sucks | 07:07 |
| Jucato | O.o | 07:07 |
| nixternal | don't even think he has had it a month yet | 07:08 |
| DaSkreech | Heehee | 07:09 |
| DaSkreech | Coworkers hate KDE gutsy | 07:09 |
| Jucato | why? | 07:10 |
| DaSkreech | Too shiny | 07:10 |
| DaSkreech | too kartoony | 07:10 |
| DaSkreech | too much like kde | 07:11 |
| nixternal | wtf | 07:12 |
| nixternal | to shiny? to cartoony? | 07:13 |
| nixternal | I hate people who say it is to cartoony | 07:13 |
| nixternal | show them edubuntu, I bet that will shut them up | 07:13 |
| Jucato | crystal is cartoony :P | 07:13 |
| Jucato | j/k | 07:13 |
| === Jucato uses nuvola from davigno | ||
| nixternal | plastik and qtwhatever it is called isn't | 07:14 |
| nixternal | oh, icons | 07:14 |
| nixternal | Oxygen here :) | 07:14 |
| === Jucato nods | ||
| Jucato | on KDE 3? | 07:14 |
| nixternal | yup | 07:14 |
| Jucato | you you you! desecrator!! | 07:14 |
| Jucato | (is there such a word?) | 07:14 |
| nixternal | if not, there is now :) | 07:14 |
| Jucato | lol | 07:14 |
| nixternal | if george bush can do it, then so can Jucato | 07:14 |
| Jucato | hahahah | 07:15 |
| Jucato | (and yes, I didn't have too Google George Bush!) | 07:15 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 07:15 |
| === DaSkreech puts jucato on wikiquote | ||
| Jucato | bah! | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | If themes were easier in KDE I could get more people on it | 07:16 |
| DaSkreech | most people I know like the technology but just want a more muted look | 07:16 |
| DaSkreech | One guy had gnome but nearly all his apps were KDE | 07:17 |
| DaSkreech | till he slowly replaced them all one by one | 07:17 |
| nixternal | I keep hearing that "if themese were easier in KDE" bit quite a lot nowadays | 07:18 |
| DaSkreech | Wonder how long it's going to take me to get annoyed by ksnapshot coming up when I press Print screen when that gets fixed | 07:18 |
| nixternal | last I checked, you typically downloaded the tarball, and installed it via system settings | 07:18 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah but people keep pointing out that you can just drag and drop to a window in Gnome | 07:18 |
| Jucato | nixternal: depends on what kind of theme | 07:19 |
| Jucato | it's not all fine and dandy | 07:19 |
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| DaSkreech | Yeah and KDE has categories of themes which some people find confusing | 07:19 |
| DaSkreech | which was like Win98 days | 07:20 |
| DaSkreech | I need to check what it's like in Vista | 07:20 |
| Jucato | KDE-Look helps in adding to the confusion | 07:20 |
| DaSkreech | I just made all my windows pink in vista and that was it | 07:20 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/NOT_KARTOONY.jpg | 07:20 |
| nixternal | :) | 07:20 |
| Jucato | geeky :) | 07:21 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Your uncles place? | 07:22 |
| Jucato | actually GNOME got it a bit wrong too. if KDE was too specific, GNOME was too general... it calls everything a theme, even if it's just a color scheme | 07:22 |
| nixternal | that is my place! | 07:22 |
| nixternal | my little piece of heaven | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | How do you right align yakauke? | 07:22 |
| Jucato | i've seen this before... | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | In chicago ? | 07:22 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: settings | 07:22 |
| nixternal | ya, the water that comes out of our faucets isn't even that clear | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | Ah right | 07:22 |
| Jucato | Configure Yakuake | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | I like full screen since I have splits | 07:23 |
| nixternal | some little island that is | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | Looks like my friends island | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | monkey island | 07:23 |
| Jucato | donkey kong islan? | 07:23 |
| Jucato | island* | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | no | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | just monkey island | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | off the coast of jamaica | 07:24 |
| DaSkreech | I scubaed out there once | 07:24 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah but someone mapping back ksnapshot to Prntscreen would be dandy | 07:24 |
| Jucato | check Input Actions | 07:25 |
| Jucato | worksforme | 07:25 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah well I just did an upgrade and it unmapped it | 07:25 |
| DaSkreech | take a lil poll and see if it's just me or it's the package | 07:26 |
| Jucato | I did an upgrade last sunday and didn't unmap it... but that more than 3 days ago | 07:27 |
| Jucato | hell could have broken loose in between | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | can You send me a screenshot of your input actions | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | I seem to have none | 07:27 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: you go screwed by the dist-upgrade, that's all | 07:28 |
| Jucato | aaah I seem to have had that bug last month | 07:28 |
| nixternal | I did too | 07:28 |
| nixternal | oh well, bed time | 07:29 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 07:29 |
| Jucato | k'night nixternal! | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: i'M FIGURING | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | whoops | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: restored by hand? | 07:29 |
| Jucato | nope. | 07:30 |
| Jucato | I forgot. I think the next update fixed it | 07:30 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 07:30 |
| DaSkreech | I'll enjoy the lack of ksnapshot while i can | 07:30 |
| DaSkreech | Did then install oxygen? | 07:30 |
| DaSkreech | they | 07:30 |
| Jucato | hm? | 07:31 |
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| _StefanS_ | morning | 08:37 |
| Jucato | moin _StefanS_! | 08:40 |
| Tm_P | hrr | 08:40 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Jucato | 08:40 |
| Jucato | hi Tm_P! (in school?) | 08:40 |
| Tm_P | yup | 08:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: kdmtheme thingy almost done. | 08:40 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: koolness! :) | 08:40 |
| _StefanS_ | yessir, with override and all. | 08:41 |
| Jucato | nice! :) | 08:42 |
| Tm_P | override? | 08:44 |
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| Jucato | strange.. my kwalletmanager seems to be missing.. | 08:46 |
| Jucato | in the tray | 08:46 |
| === Tm_P ha it and working well | ||
| Jucato | it's working. but the tray icon is gon | 08:47 |
| Tm_P | doublecheck settings | 08:47 |
| Jucato | triple checked | 08:48 |
| Jucato | this isn't the first time it happened after an update | 08:48 |
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| Tm_P | weird | 08:48 |
| Jucato | very | 08:49 |
| Tm_P | did you reenabled trayicon? | 08:49 |
| Jucato | yep yep | 08:49 |
| Jucato | aah! one thing I haven't tried | 08:49 |
| Jucato | killing it and restarting | 08:49 |
| Tm_P | and still gone? | 08:49 |
| Jucato | there it is | 08:50 |
| Jucato | silly foo | 08:50 |
| Tm_P | hmmm | 08:50 |
| Jucato | yeah.. hm... | 08:52 |
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| _StefanS_ | Jucato: could you test the kdmtheme? | 09:55 |
| Jucato | sure. throw it to me :) | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/kde/kdmtheme_1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 09:56 |
| Jucato | doesn't exist? | 09:57 |
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| _StefanS_ | what if I just uploaded the file first :D | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | jeez | 09:58 |
| Jucato | lol | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | oh wait | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | http://enhance-it.dk/deb/kdmtheme_1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 09:58 |
| Jucato | sorry.. I would have thought it existed already when you gave me a link :) | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | wrong folder | 09:58 |
| Jucato | now to test it... | 09:59 |
| Jucato | hm.. I have to logout first right? | 10:00 |
| === Hobbsee wavse | ||
| === Jucato says hlelo! | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 10:00 |
| Jucato | brb | 10:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well just run it in a konsole "kcmshell kdmtheme" and check if the debug messages seem ok | 10:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: and ofcourse the gui works. | 10:01 |
| Jucato | looks ok | 10:02 |
| Jucato | hold on let me really test :) | 10:02 |
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| Jucato | _StefanS_: it doesn't seem to affect anything. | 10:06 |
| Jucato | it runs, it detects the correct config file (30_k_d_s) | 10:06 |
| Jucato | is the no user list already working btw? | 10:07 |
| Jucato | hm.. brb again | 10:08 |
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| Jucato | _StefanS_: my bad, it works :) | 10:13 |
| Jucato | I had to sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ... | 10:13 |
| Jucato | though I can't seem to recall needing to do that before... | 10:14 |
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| _StefanS_ | override is determined in the init script i think | 10:15 |
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| Jucato | that's a bit.. um.. inconvenient? | 10:18 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: nice guess! it is in the kdm script :) | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm maybe we can ask the user to restart kdm | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | what happens if youre logged in, restart kdm in a konsole? | 10:20 |
| Jucato | when you're logged into KDE and restart kdm? down goes KDE :) | 10:21 |
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| _StefanS_ | well.. what if you select restart x server from kdm, does it apply the changes? | 10:23 |
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| Jucato | nope | 10:25 |
| Jucato | weird huh? | 10:25 |
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| _StefanS_ | not really, it just sighups the kdm process i guess | 10:29 |
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| froscon | moin! | 10:33 |
| === froscon is now known as danimo | ||
| Hobbsee | hiya danimo | 10:34 |
| === danimo votes for keeping strigi out of gutsy, really | ||
| danimo | I tried it on an upgraded machine with an almost empty home, and yet it crashes during indexing | 10:34 |
| danimo | at least it shouldn't be enabled by default | 10:35 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt used strigi since UDS, and hasn't been noticiing it :P | ||
| danimo | Hobbsee: yeah, many ppl seem to just disable it, which pretty much indicates its fitness for general use :( | 10:36 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: just likewise I feel the inclusion of dolphin is rushed. did you see the flicker when it resizes? :( | 10:37 |
| _StefanS_ | +1 for removing it. I did that manually on all my machines as well. Same with dolphin. | 10:37 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: you're my man :) | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: didnt notice it | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | but we need to call a meeting asap and decide on this stuff | 10:38 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: try it and notice how the entire iconview flickers | 10:38 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: in the kde4 dolphin that's a nonissue because it uses konquerors views internally, which don't flicker | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | right | 10:38 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: d3lphin on the other hand does seem to have its own | 10:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: also on dolphin, I stumbled upon another bug where it insist to create shortcuts and finally crashes. | 10:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: its not mature, lets remove it. | 10:39 |
| danimo | plus the use of d3lphin really spoils dolphin in KDE 3, because to the user its the same, but technically, its by far not | 10:39 |
| danimo | w/KDE 3/KDE 4/ | 10:39 |
| Jucato | +1 danimo | 10:40 |
| Jucato | I've already encountered users having a false impression of Dolphin in KDE 4 based on their impression of Dolphin which is actually D3lphin | 10:40 |
| danimo | yeah, and I was hoping we could actually surprise users by coming up with a new, "untainted" product | 10:41 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| _StefanS_ | dolphin and strigi should go away. | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | +1 for both. | 10:41 |
| Jucato | hm.. that reminds me... the developer of d3lphin still hasn't replied when I sent him (her?) my patch... oh well :P | 10:42 |
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| allee | +1 for removing strigi (pitty). but on my two gutsy laptop it used 100% cpu time some time after login :( | 10:44 |
| danimo | allee: yepp, because it fails to index and keeps trying again and again after each login | 10:45 |
| Hobbsee | would be nice to keep some stuff for hardy anyway | 10:45 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: well, strigi is part of KDE 4 anyway | 10:45 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: and with KDE 4, I'll even touch the code again | 10:45 |
| Jucato | :) | 10:45 |
| === danimo decided never ever to touch KDE 3/Qt 3 code again until he's being beaten to do so | ||
| danimo | (a decent amount of money will also do, alternatively) | 10:46 |
| allee | danimo: strigi in KDE3 and 4 are different? It's hard to beleave the KDE4 developers all disable strigi, without fixing it | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:46 |
| danimo | allee: no, but until KDE 4 is out we can iron out things | 10:47 |
| danimo | allee: the strigidaemon itself is Qt/KDE-agnostic | 10:47 |
| === allee just wonders why it has not been done. 100% cputime should be known since months | ||
| danimo | allee: strigi trunk has something to counter things | 10:48 |
| danimo | allee: the main problem was that nobody with a huge $HOME seems to have reported problems | 10:48 |
| danimo | most prolly disabled the applet right away instead | 10:48 |
| danimo | allee: the strigi maintainer said he had introduced improvements in trunk | 10:49 |
| danimo | allee: not sure if we could simply use that | 10:49 |
| danimo | allee: point is: it keeps the scheduler busy even when running low-prio, so it blocks other high prio apps | 10:50 |
| danimo | allee: and even if that was fixed... it should stop indexing e.g. when the laptop is running on battery, but that is not there at all | 10:50 |
| danimo | allee: point is: as long as its not as unobstrusive as spotlight, I don't want it | 10:51 |
| danimo | allee: and I don't know anyone who has ever noticed that the spotlight indexer is running | 10:51 |
| allee | danimo: this sounds really bad! +99 for strigi-- :( | 10:51 |
| danimo | allee: that said, the "take up 99% CPU and index everything" should happen exactly once | 10:52 |
| danimo | allee: and after that it should only index directories where changes occured | 10:52 |
| danimo | allee: if it happens again and again thats usually a sign of the daemon dying somewhere | 10:52 |
| allee | danimo: well if indexing does not stop after 36 hours .... | 10:52 |
| danimo | allee: or its having a race condition, as vandoever suspects | 10:53 |
| allee | danimo: my feeling was that it runs crazy after indexing (no IO activity anymore!) | 10:53 |
| danimo | allee: yepp, the suspected racecondition | 10:53 |
| danimo | allee: it makes heavy use of threading, so that could easily happen | 10:53 |
| danimo | allee: I see two ways: try to package trunk, and/or remove strigi from kubuntu-desktop | 10:55 |
| Jucato | the latter looks more practical, given we only have 2 more weeks? | 10:55 |
| danimo | Jucato: well, what good is a package that is shipped by default but doesn't work either? | 10:56 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 10:56 |
| === danimo would vote for "and" | ||
| Hobbsee | Conflicts: libexiv2c2a, libexiv2-0.12 | 10:56 |
| Jucato | the digikam held back bug? | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | exiv2 (0.15-1ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | * Added conflicts and replaces of libexiv2c2a, libexiv2-0.12 on libexiv2-0 | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | so that digikam does not get held back on upgrades. | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | * Fixes upgrade path for dapper --> gutsy and feisty --> gutsy | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | -- Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com> Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:56:24 +1000 | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | that'll fix half of it | 10:59 |
| Jucato | yay half :) | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | so that'll also fix the problem for hardy - or at least, they can base it off that. | 11:00 |
| Jucato | so we're going to have a meeting soonish? | 11:01 |
| Hobbsee | mhmmm | 11:02 |
| _StefanS_ | now why doesnt debdiff, debuild -S work for me now....jeez | 11:03 |
| Riddell | danimo: what makes you think trunk is any better? | 11:03 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: welcome temporarily to my world :) | 11:04 |
| danimo | Riddell: the fact that vandoever said so? | 11:04 |
| Riddell | nixternal: "Richard Johnson <nixternal@kubuntu.org> has been successfully subscribed to dot-editors." yay | 11:04 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: like I explained to you the other day (or week) I'm just doing the same now, and it dont work.. argh | 11:04 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: okay, all of digikam should be fixed now. | 11:04 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yipee! I'm going to install feisty and upgrade to gutsy on the laptop tomorrow. sound like fun? :) | 11:05 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: wait a bit - there are a few more file conflicts. | 11:05 |
| Hobbsee | and i forgot to log my pbuilder run. | 11:05 |
| Jucato | just to test... since our virtualization solutions are kinda borked in gutsy | 11:05 |
| Hobbsee | virtualbox works fine, if from the site itself | 11:06 |
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| Tm_P | hi kids | 11:07 |
| Jucato | yeah from the site... | 11:07 |
| === Jucato will probably use that one instead.. | ||
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: any idea why I dont see a diff when creating a patch ? I do cp altered sources, dch -i, debuild -S | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: dont get it | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: you didnt run debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > diff | 11:08 |
| danimo | Riddell: any chance we could give that a try? I'd even volunteer for tests | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: trouble is that I dont get a new.dsc at all | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: want to give the output of ls in the directory above the source? | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: two secs | 11:09 |
| Riddell | danimo: try to package trunk strigidaemon? | 11:11 |
| danimo | Riddell: aye | 11:11 |
| danimo | Riddell: what version are you using nowadays? | 11:11 |
| Riddell | 0.5.5-2ubuntu2 | 11:12 |
| danimo | Riddell: I mean: where did you take it from? | 11:12 |
| Riddell | danimo: the strigi website | 11:12 |
| Riddell | danimo: I've asked vandenoever if he thinks it would be a good idea, shouldn't be hard to do | 11:13 |
| danimo | Riddell: can you make a trunk package and I'll give it a try? | 11:13 |
| danimo | Riddell: I was about to ask him the same :) | 11:13 |
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| larsivi | Heya, strigideamon is seriously slowing down my computer the last few days, using both cores - even when running on battery | 11:24 |
| larsivi | and quitting strigi desktop search don't stop the deamon | 11:27 |
| Riddell | larsivi: we're just discussing the same | 11:28 |
| Riddell | 10:13 < vandenoever> Riddell: current trunk will start glowing next week | 11:28 |
| Riddell | 10:13 < vandenoever> Riddell: right now, i would not touch it for gutsy | 11:28 |
| Riddell | danimo: ^^ | 11:28 |
| Riddell | trouble is, next week is too late | 11:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that depends how much you want to piss steve off :P | 11:29 |
| danimo | Riddell: hmmm, your choice to battle with steve. however, It'd be a good choice anyway to remove the strigi dependeny from kubuntu-desktop for gutsy | 11:30 |
| Riddell | I'll probably move strigiapplet to ship | 11:31 |
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| Riddell | or I could remove it from autostart and put it in the menu | 11:32 |
| danimo | Riddell: better don't advertise it at all if it doesn't work. it just fills the menu and annoys users | 11:33 |
| danimo | Riddell: really, either we have a solution or we don't | 11:34 |
| danimo | not to forget that annoyed users will annoy us in the end :) | 11:34 |
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| larsivi | if I can come with an opinion as a user; it sucks, both performance wise, and the search itself | 11:34 |
| larsivi | I have a 1.8GHz dual core, and it is not responsive while strigideamon is working | 11:35 |
| larsivi | which it seems to do all the time ... | 11:35 |
| danimo | larsivi: yepp, we discussed the whole thing through | 11:36 |
| danimo | larsivi: we better not ship it now if we want to avoid the desaster gnome had with beagle | 11:36 |
| Riddell | s/gnome/suse/ ubuntu gnome is shipping with tracker, which works reasonably well | 11:40 |
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| _StefanS_ | is there a kde frontend for searching with tracker ? | 11:42 |
| Riddell | no | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm thats what I figured :) | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | but the backend is separated so it could be done? | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | (dont know much about tracker) | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | ah I see its Desktop Neutral | 11:43 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:44 |
| Riddell | just like strigi | 11:44 |
| larsivi | are there screenshots of kubuntu-edubuntu ? | 11:46 |
| Riddell | edubuntu-kde, it looks exactly like kubuntu (but has some educational apps installed) | 11:46 |
| larsivi | hmm, ok | 11:47 |
| larsivi | I'd wish there was a edubuntu-snofrix :) | 11:47 |
| larsivi | does edubuntu cooperate with skolelinux? | 11:48 |
| Riddell | you'd need to ask them | 11:50 |
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| Riddell | oh well, strigi autostart gone, hopefully it'll work better soon | 12:17 |
| Tm_P | shame but right | 12:19 |
| Jucato | well it's still installed by default, just not autostarted... unless it was left running in the session :) | 12:21 |
| Tm_P | hrhr | 12:23 |
| Tm_P | I prolly dont even have it installed | 12:24 |
| Tm_P | should try it though | 12:25 |
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| mhb | nixternal: how come the welcome page in Firefox is still in English? Should I wait before the translations kick in? | 12:31 |
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| Knightlust | http://digg.com/apple/New_iMacs_plagued_by_interface_freezing_issues | 01:25 |
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| Knightlust | sorry, wrong channel | 01:29 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: meeting | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/knotes_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack): | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/knotesplugin.desktop', which is also in package kontact | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack): | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/korganizerplugin.desktop', which is also in package kontact | 02:19 |
| Tm_P | hrrr | 02:21 |
| Jucato | yay | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Errors were encountered while processing: | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | /var/cache/apt/archives/guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu2_i386.deb | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | /var/cache/apt/archives/kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | /var/cache/apt/archives/karm_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | /var/cache/apt/archives/knotes_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb | 02:21 |
| Jucato | /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/katapultrc HideSessionNotification is set to 2, which doesn't seem to be a valid value (0 or 1 only) | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | ...yay. | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | we need to get k-d-s in done state RSN | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | main freeze is tomorrow | 02:22 |
| Jucato | lovely :) | 02:23 |
| Jucato | but I might have foobared by k-d-s so I can't be a reliable source :) | 02:23 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: what are you doing to get those errors? | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: dist upgrade from feisty. | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | it's long been a problem, but i've lost the orig bug. | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | we've still got the kdmrc files problems, too. | 02:27 |
| Riddell | Jucato: 2 is a valid value of HideSessionNotification | 02:28 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's not in shape about k-d-s? | 02:28 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: why aren't you using the dist upgrade tool? | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: there are a couple of patches for it, and i assume that you read -devel | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: because i knew that people would try it the other awy, and thought that we should check for file overwrites and such. | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: also, because i prefer nto to forward X-sessions across sydney | 02:29 |
| Riddell | which -devel ? | 02:29 |
| Jucato | Riddell: doesn't work here. it still shows up. but again... I might have foobared something | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/log is the log | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the other one. | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: about main freezing | 02:30 |
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| Riddell | I don't read ubuntu-devel very frequently | 02:30 |
| Riddell | Jucato: if you start katapult manually it is ment to have the startup message | 02:31 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: grepping for "error processing" in that log doesn't turn up anything | 02:31 |
| Jucato | Riddell: ah ok... so what does 2 stand for? don't show the notification when saved from session? | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah, so it doesn't. damn thing. | 02:33 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes, I believe so | 02:33 |
| Jucato | ah I see | 02:33 |
| Riddell | hmm, no Lure, we need to decide on new kdepim version or not | 02:33 |
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| Riddell | control-thing ] | 02:35 |
| Riddell | and up arrows | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | darn, scrollback doesnt go far enough | 02:35 |
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| nixternal | mhb: the translation is available for you right? as in..it is installed on your machine? | 02:41 |
| nixternal | Riddell: woohoo :) | 02:41 |
| Riddell | nixternal: whit? | 02:42 |
| nixternal | the dot subscription | 02:42 |
| Riddell | ah, woo hoo | 02:43 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:43 |
| Jucato | booyah! | 02:43 |
| Jucato | nixternal taking over da Dot! | 02:43 |
| nixternal | man, I need manchicken to look at some perl code that does the silly firefox translations | 02:43 |
| Jucato | I can't recall, but was it necessary before to restart KDM through sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart when applying a new kdm theme? or simply restarting X or logging out made it take effect? | 02:45 |
| Jucato | before = before gutsy | 02:47 |
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| Hobbsee | hm, apparently tonio_'s attempted to fix this. | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: all of the above need to conflict (and replace, i think) with the feisty version of kontact - what's the easiest way to od that? | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | just add C&R's for all of the affected packages? | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | or is there an easier way? | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | (and will it break if i do C&R's on multiple packages, replacing the same original package?) | 02:55 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: add C&Rs, no problem with multiple packages | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool, OK | 03:03 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: but the question is if we want to upload Lure's newer kdepim | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what are the changes? | 03:03 |
| Riddell | just a newer snapshot | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: anything interesting in it? | 03:04 |
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| Riddell | bug fixes | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: may as well grab it, then. | 03:11 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes I think we should, just checked the upstream and it's pretty close to their QA tested one | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool, OK | 03:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: do you want to or shall I? | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: is our bzr tree up to date, i wonder... | 03:13 |
| Riddell | no idea | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | nope, it's way out. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you're modifying anything in debian/? apart from the changelog? | 03:15 |
| === Hobbsee will just give you a diff, then you can modify it | ||
| kwwii | is kde4 for Gutsy working atm? | 03:34 |
| stdin | depends what you mean by "working" | 03:34 |
| kwwii | well, it is installable, etc...not that it will work perfectly | 03:35 |
| stdin | it's installable yeah | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: please take http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdepim.debdiff for your upload | 03:36 |
| stdin | same instructions for feisty except it in gutsy/universe not feisty-backports/universe | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/146807 looks good to fix, too | 03:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146807 in kdenetwork "Gutsy merge broke KDE's kcm_kdnssd" [Undecided,New] | 03:36 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: new kdepim up | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: with my debdiff? | 03:57 |
| Riddell | yes | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: excellent, thanks :) | 03:59 |
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| DaSkreech | kwwii: ping | 04:17 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:20 |
| DaSkreech | hi | 04:21 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 04:21 |
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| bddebian | Heya DaSkreech, Jucato | 04:22 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: pong | 04:22 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Is the standard splash screen supposed to have a Ubuntu rather than kubuntu logo? | 04:23 |
| DaSkreech | Or Standard | 04:23 |
| Riddell | which splash screen | 04:24 |
| DaSkreech | Standard | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | The one below Simple | 04:25 |
| Jucato | ah you mean in the list of ksplash themes? | 04:25 |
| kwwii | DaSkreech: not sure which one you are talking about | 04:25 |
| kwwii | the ubuntu splash screen should have been removed | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | No | 04:26 |
| kwwii | as ubuntu no longer uses a splash screen like ksplash | 04:26 |
| kwwii | or do you mean the usplash? | 04:26 |
| DaSkreech | Nope | 04:26 |
| DaSkreech | on Logging in | 04:26 |
| Jucato | that's ksplash | 04:26 |
| DaSkreech | Systme settings -> splash screen -> standard -> test | 04:26 |
| DaSkreech | Oh that's disabled now? | 04:26 |
| DaSkreech | ah never mind I guess. | 04:27 |
| Riddell | you seem to be describing the theme named "standard" for ksplash, which has no distro logo | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | Mine does | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | the ubuntu logo | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | When it says KDE is up and running it shows the Ubuntu logo | 04:29 |
| Riddell | shows blank for me | 04:29 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 04:29 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Oh did the upgrade to gutsy last night. Only crashed twice and I had only one annoyance. no major headaches | 04:30 |
| DaSkreech | Other than giving me a 2.6.20 kernel instead of a 2.6.22 | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it should be a bit smoother now. | 04:30 |
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| Hobbsee | seeing asi i havent tried with --install-recommends yet and such | 04:31 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: can You do that visually? | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: sorry? | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: sure, i can see the console. | 04:31 |
| DaSkreech | adept_manager --version-upgrade --install-recommends | 04:31 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: crashed twice doesn't sound like no major headaches | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | didnt try with a_m | 04:31 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: what crashed and when? and do you have logs? | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | although perhaps i will try the X forwarding | 04:32 |
| DaSkreech | It upgraded * except for digikam | 04:32 |
| DaSkreech | I hear you are working on that | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yeah, fixed that tonight | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: are we using --install-recommends fo rthe adept upgrdae by default? | 04:32 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: adept_manager version upgrade did some funkitroinc thing with my monitor where everything died and I got a grey square taking up 80% of my monitor flashing patterns | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | rebooted and that didn't seem to cause any issues seemed to have happened too quickly for any logs | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | At the end of the upgrade I assume it was shutting down the computer since I lost X and all my ttys | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | pam upgrade, maybe | 04:34 |
| DaSkreech | after about 15 minutes I got the normal shutdown console messages but in some strange font/language | 04:34 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: I was looking out for that since i know that it asks to restart kdm I never saw a prompt | 04:35 |
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| Riddell | DaSkreech: those could be described as headaches | 04:36 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: the dist upgrade tool? mvo tells me it does, although I'm yet to test it myself | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right. | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do we just have a qt frontend from that, spawned from adept, presumably? | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | surely we dont recalculate all of it ourselves? | 04:37 |
| DaSkreech | when I booted back up I ran into the evms Tourettes syndrome bug | 04:37 |
| DaSkreech | Removed evms until that's sorted out | 04:38 |
| DaSkreech | everything was fine after that. I installed 2.6.22 manually | 04:38 |
| mhb | good evening | 04:38 |
| DaSkreech | Oh apport-qt took up damn near all my cpu for like 4 minutes | 04:38 |
| DaSkreech | then reported that strigi and firefox died | 04:39 |
| DaSkreech | That happened first boot | 04:39 |
| nosrednaekim | hello mhb | 04:39 |
| DaSkreech | no it takes up like 68% for 40 seconds and just reports on strigi | 04:39 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: apport-qt is evil | 04:40 |
| Jucato | hi mhb | 04:40 |
| mhb | hi nosrednaekim, Jucato | 04:40 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: possibly but I did what the casual user would do. I just shut down and brought the machine back up and it continued fine | 04:40 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: I uninstalled it before I probably will again when gutsy ships but till then I'm in "average Joe' test mode | 04:40 |
| DaSkreech | afterwards I'll will go to Viewtiful Joe | 04:41 |
| Riddell | mhb: why is it evil? | 04:41 |
| mhb | Riddell: well, I disagree with it on several levels, one of them is the annoying pop-up for password (which tends to pop-up randomly even though something crashed in the far past) and the fact that it is processed by update-manager | 04:43 |
| mhb | I do not think the user should see a pop-up like that, without any explanation for what happened (but I said this before and we had implemented something in kdesudo to fix this and I will try to do that for Hardy) | 04:43 |
| mhb | oh, and it looks different that the classic KDE crash dialog, that is also a minus | 04:44 |
| mhb | crash report checker should be one, not two | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | I wonder if the user can have a front end to popcon | 04:46 |
| DaSkreech | Wasn't there an issue with it attaching a lot of not useful information ? | 04:47 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: they do (in so far as the only user function is to turn it on or off) | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | I was thinking more like stats on what they don't use so they can say oh I remember installing that. (apt-get remove) | 04:47 |
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| DaSkreech | Oh! Lets see if strigi still dies as soon as it starts | 04:53 |
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| DaSkreech | Nope still dies on .mozilla-thunderbird | 04:54 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: popcon doesn't have that data | 04:56 |
| DaSkreech | popcon is install and usage data isn't it? | 04:57 |
| Riddell | no usage data as far as I know | 04:57 |
| kwwii | Riddell: did you read Jono's update email? What in the world does he mean with " 2. In Adept -> Manage Repositories enable "Recommended updates" and | 04:57 |
| kwwii | "Pre-released updates", close and reload" | 04:57 |
| Riddell | kwwii: which part are you stuck on? | 04:58 |
| Riddell | you have adept? | 04:58 |
| kwwii | yes, I open adept-manager from the system menu entry in kmenu | 04:58 |
| kwwii | step number two makes no sense as I do know which repo he is talking about | 04:59 |
| Riddell | and in the Adept menu you have Manage Repositories? | 04:59 |
| kwwii | yepp | 04:59 |
| DaSkreech | and that gives you a box with tabs? | 04:59 |
| DaSkreech | a dialog with tabs ? | 04:59 |
| Riddell | kwwii: does that load up in a separate window, or within the adept window? | 04:59 |
| kwwii | that changes the main window | 04:59 |
| Riddell | you need to install software-properties-kde then | 05:00 |
| kwwii | in tha tI see a list with reset, apply and cancel at the bottom | 05:00 |
| Riddell | somehow you must have uninstalled it | 05:00 |
| kwwii | erm, when installing that it wants to install python-qt4 | 05:01 |
| kwwii | is that right? | 05:01 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:01 |
| Riddell | it's written in pyqt 4 | 05:01 |
| kwwii | ahaa, now I have a pop-up | 05:02 |
| DaSkreech | There we go the updates tab is where you need | 05:04 |
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| DaSkreech | Well that crashed | 05:18 |
| Riddell | fabo: I plan to apply this to Kubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/136425 | 05:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 136425 in qt4-x11 "qtconfig-qt4 in Accessories?" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 05:22 |
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| Riddell | just set it to Categories=Qt;Settings; | 05:22 |
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| fabo | Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444896 | 05:29 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 444896 in qt4-qtconfig "qt4-qtconfig: wrong menu section" [Normal,Open] | 05:29 |
| DaSkreech | Any clue why strigi tries to index non existent folders and crashes? other than hard coding those folders of course | 05:30 |
| Riddell | fabo: that looks different (and since we don't use the debian menu not relevant to kubuntu?) | 05:31 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: #strigi better place | 05:31 |
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| fabo | Riddell: related to menu only, but i never noticed menu wasn't used in kubuntu | 05:35 |
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| Riddell | mayeco: I'm not sure I see much point in it being owned by the council than by an individual, it just means council gets e-mailed more | 06:29 |
| mayeco | mmmmmm you think | 06:29 |
| mayeco | finally will be the same thing right | 06:30 |
| mayeco | as just a think... | 06:30 |
| mayeco | was just... | 06:30 |
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| mayeco | Riddell: I just was thinking that the users will be the same as the members | 06:37 |
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| Goliath23 | hi. did anyone notice lately, that the mouse cursor on startup has a strange cross-shape and the pc speaker beaps two times on the first klick? | 07:06 |
| mhb | Goliath23: yes | 07:06 |
| Goliath23 | I have this on my home and work system, both gutsy | 07:06 |
| Goliath23 | mhb: what's the cause? | 07:06 |
| mhb | Goliath23: me too | 07:06 |
| mhb | Goliath23: if I remember correctly some error in the bluetooth detection code | 07:06 |
| mhb | Goliath23: I am sure it will be fixed soon-ish | 07:07 |
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| DaSkreech | The clock crashes Gutsy | 07:50 |
| DaSkreech | well locks it up hard | 07:50 |
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| larsivi | hey again | 07:57 |
| larsivi | I'm testing some of the edubuntu stuff, but gcompris won't start - it just disappears without a message | 07:58 |
| larsivi | the only thing of interest when starting from console is ** (process:6143): WARNING **: Binary relocation disabled | 07:59 |
| larsivi | it then ends after some info on files and db | 07:59 |
| larsivi | no crash or other error message | 07:59 |
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| Riddell | larsivi: seems to work for me | 08:37 |
| Riddell | although it changed my resolution without asking and I had to press alt-tab to get it to appear | 08:37 |
| Riddell | I also get ** (process:18151): WARNING **: Binary relocation disabled | 08:37 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: which clock? | 08:38 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: how about openGL module in kinfocentre? | 08:38 |
| larsivi | Riddell: running from console with -D it seems it can't open the db file | 08:42 |
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| larsivi | Riddell: I figured it out, ~/.config was owned by root | 08:48 |
| larsivi | Riddell: only Trolltech.conf was in it at that time - install time bug? | 08:50 |
| Riddell | hmm, I hope not | 08:58 |
| marseillai | does anyone has some problem with the new alt+tab when there is more than two windows open? for me it often choose to put in the second plan another windows that the last one wich had the focus | 09:00 |
| marseillai | is it something i've break in my configuration or more general? | 09:00 |
| larsivi | Riddell: I certainly haven't touched that directory manually, maybe others who installed gutsy on a clean sheet could verify/dismiss | 09:03 |
| Riddell | marseillai: new alt-tab? | 09:08 |
| marseillai | yes | 09:09 |
| marseillai | before i had a pop-up showing a picture of all windows then i could select the one i want | 09:09 |
| marseillai | then this have disappear and now there's no more pop-up the selected windows came takes the focus directly | 09:10 |
| marseillai | i know it's not clear but i can't do better with my english | 09:10 |
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| Riddell | marseillai: we havn't made any such change in KDE/kubuntu | 09:16 |
| Riddell | maybe you have another window manager installed | 09:16 |
| marseillai | oh yes | 09:16 |
| marseillai | i've made a compiz test two weeks ago and didn't restart with a clean session since this test | 09:17 |
| marseillai | sorry for this mistake and disturbing you | 09:17 |
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| DaSkreech | Riddell: What about it? | 10:52 |
| DaSkreech | Sorry went off for a meeting | 10:52 |
| DaSkreech | !support | 10:52 |
| ubotu | the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org | 10:52 |
| nosrednaekim | they need to add kubuntu to that ^^ | 10:52 |
| DaSkreech | nosrednaekim: rewrite it and join #ubuntu-bots | 10:53 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: what about what? | 10:55 |
| DaSkreech | The open GL module | 10:55 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: I've had 3 hard freezes since Gutsy. They all happened when I moused over the Clock and got the "taskbar" tooltip | 10:56 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: do you also get a hard freeze looking at the openGL module in kinfocentre? | 10:59 |
| DaSkreech | You mean just opening it? | 10:59 |
| DaSkreech | No | 10:59 |
| DaSkreech | I'm looking at it now | 10:59 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: happens to me when I have XGL running. | 11:00 |
| DaSkreech | With all subsections expanded | 11:00 |
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| DaSkreech | ok I have a meeting and then have some people to pickup | 11:03 |
| DaSkreech | I'll continue this tomorrow | 11:03 |
| Riddell | ok, good sign | 11:05 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: hmm | 11:05 |
| Riddell | bad sign | 11:05 |
| Riddell | maybe we should just disable it | 11:06 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: can you check what X server is running? | 11:06 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: XGL will be unnessesary by 8.04 since ATI is doing AIGLX this month. | 11:06 |
| DaSkreech | Bye! | 11:07 |
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| Riddell | I have ATI, but no XGL | 11:11 |
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