=== nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-191.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180075040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alteroo_ [n=alteroo@port0002-abm-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] nixternal: ping === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] DaSkreech: pong? [02:10] nixternal: should I suck it down and do a gutsy upgrade? or is stuff still broken? [02:10] do it man, I have been running Gutsy since April, or May, or whenever they opened up the repos [02:12] Yeah yeah [02:12] I'm talking about a dist-upgrade to gutsy currently ;-P [02:12] I did it this past week, you are fine [02:12] is that knowningly borked currently? [02:12] ok [02:12] If not [02:12] I BLAME NIXTERNAL! [02:12] :-D [02:13] it was only borked for a couple of hours due to a FTBS on volumeid I think [02:13] OK [02:15] i'm still dealing w/ my upgrade [02:15] acpi doesn't work correctly, kubuntu-desktop won't install [02:15] jjesse: When was that? [02:16] Weekend? [02:16] i upgraded on frdiay [02:16] and it was horible [02:16] adept_updater still complains that i can' get things to finish successfully [02:16] acpi powermanager and kubuntu-desktop won't update [02:17] Yeah that's when I was going to upgrade and I heard your tears splashing down the courtyard from here in the Tropics [02:17] Decided against it [02:17] but this is 5 days later so I'm going to give you my experience [02:18] nixternal: SHould I do a GUI upgrade? [02:18] DaSkreech: yes you should and post comments on how it went [02:19] jjesse: Ah should I follow a set of recommended steps then? === DaSkreech pokes jjesse. Should I follow Riddell's link? [02:22] DaSkreech: follow me, its not dangerous even if its dark in my cave [02:22] muhahahahahahahaa [02:22] DaSkreech: sorry was getting coffee [02:22] yes follow the recommedations [02:23] ok Let me go find the post [02:23] interesting, Gnome has just recently gotten an international clock? I figured that would have been around since day one [02:24] that is what I have enjoyed about KDE's clock, I can add as many locations as I want, and when I hover, I can see what time it is in the places I have selected [02:24] Yeah [02:24] they have conduit which makes up for that ;-( [02:31] Oh [02:31] maybe someone can help me with my "issue" [02:31] I upgraded to the new emacs [02:31] The old one keeps openeing though [02:35] This is the most pleasant nerve wracking experience I've had in a long time :) === Pitabred [n=pita@c-67-190-48-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] how is your upgrade going? [02:46] hmm hmmm [02:46] it happened again [02:46] dist-upgrade destroyed my KDE gestures [02:46] my emacs22 works like a champ [02:46] nixternal: well here is the funny thing [02:47] I have emacs set to auto start [02:47] that starts up as aemacs21 [02:47] if I just start emacs after that it's emacs22 [02:47] and emacs21 isn't installed? [02:48] what are you using to autostart emacs? [02:48] ~/.kde/Autostart? [02:55] session [02:58] hmm still having problems w/ locales on updates [03:01] nixternal: history channel is running a cool thing about chicago and al capone right now [03:02] I wonder if it is a new one? [03:03] tonight is all about the Cubs anyways, Al Capone, though we love him dearly, will have to wait :) [03:03] oh cubs are on? [03:03] 9pm [03:03] 1 hour [03:03] Zambrano vs. Webb, game 1 [03:03] Cubbies will sweep [03:03] who are they playing? [03:03] even if Arizona took 4 of 6 this season [03:04] ah arizona [03:04] you are literally 60 miles away from me, I know your news, it is all over the TV, don't play all "I'm a Tiger's fan" on me :) [03:04] hey i've been in columbus all week, all i've heard ist stupid indians stuff [03:04] heh, the teacher is teaching javascript arrays, and I am reading mlb.com and nhl.com [03:05] grin way to pay attention [03:05] Yeah I had students like that [03:05] none for JS though [03:05] They listened === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N722P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:07] man, javascript arrays are the same as every other languages array, but they also incorporate vector functions...cool [03:07] nice they are the same but different [03:07] ya right :) [03:07] push_back, pop, and all of the fun stuff [03:11] i love how the amount of karma in launchpad i gain each day doing bug work is equal to the amount i lose each day :( [03:14] hahahahaha [03:14] I totally gave up following karma [03:14] I am sure I am probably at 0 [03:14] hell, I have like 24 translation karma points...ummm, ok :) [03:14] i want to trade karma points in for a plasma tv [03:14] ghahahahaha [03:14] hahahhaa, dude, don't ever do that again [03:15] hahahah, like frequent flyer miles [03:15] why not? [03:15] I just laughed out loud for real [03:15] A Buddhist plasma TV? [03:15] did i get you in trouble [03:15] my teacher could really care less [03:15] ha [03:16] ahhh, he said "the last thing we are going to go over tonight..." [03:16] which means he wants out of here to watch the Cubbies :) [03:16] cubbies are going to lose [03:16] Oh dude that's flippin awesome [03:16] pc-BSD allws you to do xconfigure on boot [03:16] jjesse: I hope you wet the bed tonight! [03:16] That's brilliant [03:17] dude, PC-BSD flies! [03:17] hey its not my bed its the hotels [03:17] gahahaha [03:18] wow i didn't know al capone died of an std [03:18] that's great [03:19] hehe, oh ya, we like to think nobody else knows about that though...makes us look like a tougher city [03:19] :p [03:19] what a bad ass === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:20] hello Jucato [03:20] rebooting, be back in a bit [03:21] good evening jjesse! :) [03:22] ooooh so close [03:23] to what? [03:25] to him seeing the greeting [03:25] ah.. [03:25] Jucato: guten morgen [03:26] guten.... evening :) [03:26] haha [03:26] or afternoon :) [03:26] 0426 here [03:26] guten morgen too? [03:27] very early, but yes [03:27] why are you up so early? trying to catch a worm? [03:27] well I slept last 2 days over basicly... [03:28] 48 hours of sleep? kool! [03:28] 50% [03:28] Jucato: not slept thru but almost [03:28] and not Kool, by back is hurting now really bad [03:29] aw.. :( [03:29] Alleve? [03:29] DaSkreech: que? [03:29] Alleve. They always advertise about how good they are for back pain [03:30] if its not heavy drug... [03:30] heavy as morphine === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] Oh that bad? [03:32] well I'm eating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine based drugs currently [03:32] and still have pains [03:32] Yeah codeine is pretty addiction inducing [03:32] + I eat drugs for my head [03:33] DaSkreech: thats why I eat only when I really have to [03:33] and you sleep all the time [03:33] nope [03:33] half of the time I cant sleep [03:33] wb jjesse [03:33] and good evening [03:33] thanks Jucato [03:33] when I finally can then I really do sleep === Tm_T doesnt like it [03:36] What's with the back pain? [03:37] who knows [03:37] doctors dont care because I still walk [03:37] nixternal: no idea for the version slip? [03:37] or something === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] (that means, reason isnt obvious enough) [03:38] That's stupid I can think of three reasons [03:38] ? [03:39] Hooray! [03:39] Mandriva club is free again! [03:39] is that similar to Nintendo club? [03:40] Yes except more mysterious and maligned [03:40] roger [03:40] Pc-BSD relies on KDE4 :) === Jucato wonders what hidden treasures (or worms) mandriva club has accumulated over the years... [03:43] Well now it's free to join in the hunt :) === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-198.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cj_ [n=cj@125.5.162.19] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] Jucato: [03:51] hey Jucato [03:51] how are men === cj_ [n=cj@125.5.162.19] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [03:54] er [03:55] :) [03:55] sorry about that [03:56] you have fanboy? [03:57] I forgot to set my invisibility on :) [03:58] just a countrymate I was trying to convince that I wasn't who he thought I was. so followed me here and there :) [03:59] and everywhere =) [04:03] Fanboy [04:03] heh [04:03] very annoying and embarassing [04:03] One more upgrade left :) [04:03] and he thinks he's being funny... [04:03] Are you who he thought you were? [04:03] you are pretty popular now [04:04] ha I knew there was a Ubuntu Muslim edition === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:24] Upgrade killed the computer [04:24] going to try again [04:28] Can't :-( [04:28] process is locked [04:28] Ok sorted :) [04:30] all set? [04:30] sorry playing city of heros [04:30] heroes [04:32] Ok It's doing the insane CPU thing [04:32] If I go it crashed again [04:33] kewl! city of heroes! :) [04:34] City of villans is better :) [04:35] city of * is better than anything real life === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.236.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] City of chicago for instance [04:38] phooey :P === DaSkreech bahs as he doesn't like the new kopete [04:43] huh? [04:43] Whee new Amarok :) [04:43] ubuntu muslim edition? [04:43] wtf is that? [04:43] coreymon77: si [04:43] coreymon77: Did ubuntu christian edition confuse you? [04:43] wtf is the diff? [04:43] It comes with a prayer time calendar [04:43] lol! [04:44] that it? [04:44] Yeah [04:44] Ubuntu Chrisitan edition came with Gnomesword installed [04:44] Was that it? [04:44] yeah [04:45] gnomesword> [04:45] ? [04:45] whats that? [04:45] !info gnomesword [04:45] gnomesword: Bible study with GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.0-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 3502 kB, installed size 5172 kB [04:45] LOLOLOLOLOLOL! [04:45] any jewish edition? [04:45] ichthux... [04:46] a kde christian edition [04:46] ubuntu christian edition does some crazy script stuff [04:46] any jewish ed? [04:46] It does now [04:46] coreymon77: yes [04:46] whats that do? [04:47] there is a satanic edition as well [04:47] i know that [04:47] the satanic ed is just a theme though [04:47] what does the jew edition do [04:47] So you know the satanic edition [04:47] i was told about it before [04:47] but not the christian/muslim/jewsih ones? [04:47] That's interesting [04:47] someone gave me a link to it [04:47] laughing [04:48] DaSkreech: what are you getting at? [04:48] DaSkreech: im jewish === hunger_t [n=tobias@84.167.27.50] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] :P [04:48] Just intereting where your knowledge lies [04:48] hi hunger_t how are you? [04:48] someone showed me that === Jucato wonders if hunger_t is related to size_t [04:48] Yeah I thought it was a joke the first time I saw it [04:49] but people seemed to take it seriously [04:49] someone in the kubuntu channel posted the link in the chan [04:49] course I thought Mint was a joke as well [04:49] laughing [04:49] !icthux [04:49] Sorry, I don't know anything about icthux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [04:49] whats the j. ed do? [04:49] !info ichthux-desktop [04:49] ichthux-desktop: Ichthux desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB [04:49] Is that missing a h? [04:49] There we go [04:49] coreymon77: much the same as the muslim [04:50] ??? [04:50] we dont pray 5 times a day [04:50] but w.e [04:50] thats funny [04:50] I guess the muslim one has been up dated [04:50] The christian edition is in the news everynow and again [04:51] I haven't heard anything from the other two though [04:51] ichtux has been developed since raphink got married [04:51] https://launchpad.net/jubuntu [04:51] has been? [04:51] nixternal and i have done soem work on ichthux [04:52] hasnt [04:52] Yeah it's the one that seems to have the most work and the least amount of press [04:52] That's what I thought [04:52] my wife got me a slingbox for our aniversary and i love it === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.236.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] 50% [05:01] 50% what? [05:03] Upgrade [05:03] oh hopefully it goes well [05:04] Yes [05:04] then I can laugh at the folks at work [05:04] Wusses [05:06] i'm thinking about competly redoing my box, especially when gutsy releases [05:06] reinstall windows and gutsy [05:07] I promised myself from the first time I heard that I wouldn't reinstall till Kubuntu shipped a KDE4 default install [05:07] I have one windows to reinstall but I'm not looking forward to that [05:09] I'm kinda surprised that nothing has popped up a dialog to ask me anything yet [05:14] Ah here they come [05:14] when i did my upgrade it totally blanked out, which is probablly why i had some many problems post upgrade [05:14] jjesse: describe the blank out [05:15] all my screens stopped showing text [05:15] Mine killed my keyboard and I had a grey square taking up 80% of my monitor and flashing different patterns [05:16] did you reach the part about PAM upgrading and wanting to restart services, with kdm included in that list? [05:17] No I did that with the Live cd [05:17] yes i did [05:17] Allowed it once [05:17] :) [05:17] Jucato: I've been living off the live CD for a few weeks [05:17] must be nice [05:17] so everytime I booted up I went through that [05:17] it was [05:18] very liberating once you have RAM [05:19] Oooh begali fonts [05:25] stdin: ping [05:25] Jucato: pong [05:25] let's play ping pong :) [05:25] j/k [05:25] I was just going to ask about your kde4 setup [05:25] yeah? [05:25] you installed it on kde-devel or same user? [05:26] well I have done both, but what I ended up doing was installing as me, but in /kde4 a shared directory [05:26] hm? [05:27] so it's world readable and owner/group writeable [05:27] so my kde-devel user can use it, and so can I [05:27] kool. and how about the env vars? [05:27] I use the export lines from the beta2 instructions but with modified paths [05:28] I'll pastebin it [05:28] I see I see.. [05:28] i have kicker crashing every 5 mintues on my kde 4 build [05:28] you have kicker at all? O.o [05:28] i think its kicker [05:29] trying to remember, something is crashing every 5 mintues [05:29] coz basically I *want* to use a full kde 4 session... but want to be able to use my kde3 apps as me... and I installed it on kde-devel [05:29] http://stdin.pastebin.us/39970 [05:29] don't happen to have my vm up [05:29] must be plasma [05:30] I see... [05:30] is it only on kubuntu that you can't su to another user, export DISPLAY=0.0, and still not have authority to run apps from that user? [05:30] Jucato: I used kdesvn-build to build it all, so it was downloaded to /kde4/svn, built in /kde4/build and installed to /kde4/root [05:31] and /kde4 is owned by? [05:31] Jucato: you need to run "xhost +LOCAL:" to run apps as another user in your display [05:31] hm.. ok.. [05:31] I run that as me or as kde-devel? [05:31] as you [05:32] trying [05:32] kewl! thanks! [05:32] now I hope that works in reverse too :O [05:33] my /kde4 is stdin:devel (I sometimes work as devel when packaging because my $HOME is getting messy :) [05:33] aah === Jucato forgot his next question... [05:34] ah do you use Xephyr with kde4 sometimes? [05:34] sometimes yeah [05:34] I can't seem to use any keyboard shortcut in kde4 in xephyr, even if it has captured mouse and keyboard input :( [05:35] I can after I press Ctrl-Shift [05:35] weird :( [05:35] otherwise my current session grabs it [05:35] my kde4 is really fscked up.... [05:36] dolphin crashes when everybody else's doesn't [05:36] gah!! I'll just redo everything again! === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:41] wow, X just Xploded on me :p [05:41] wb stdin :) === DaSkreech [n=ubuntu@72.252.28.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] well that broke well [05:50] kstartupconfig is broken [05:50] though that may be smaller of my worries [06:05] Strange [06:05] It installed the 2.6.20 kernel [06:07] jjesse: ping === erov [n=j@c-76-22-137-36.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:15] ARGH! [06:15] URGH! [06:15] ? [06:16] Marmol is blowing it for the Cubs right now [06:16] We are doing Gorilla screams, right? [06:16] I had to shut off the game, I was yelling === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:16] nixternal: It's the Cubs. It has to work out like that. [06:16] shush you Billy Goat! :) [06:17] the curse of the goat, more like the curse of our relief pitching staff === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] kdesudo remembers the password for a time? [06:36] OK, I think I have successfully setup my email addys on the MLs with @kubuntu.org [06:36] 15 minutes [06:38] ok _-version-upgrade is now --dist-upgrade for adept_manager ? [06:39] that I don't know, there is a link on the Beta release notes though [06:40] Hmm [06:40] digikam won't be upgraded [06:40] intentional ? [06:41] I think hobbsee noticed that yesterday [06:42] upgrading need some work [06:42] If i ask it to upgrade it starts removing packages [06:42] DaSkreech: bug. Hobbsee fix [06:42] nixternal: saw what I said about you in #kde? :P [06:42] Ok [06:42] Well [06:43] Distupgrade went well with a little knowledge [06:43] Only crashed twice and showed up two bugs === Jucato thinks dist-upgrade must be used with --install-recommends too [06:45] Well the --version-upgrade was what I used as per recommendation [06:46] My fonts are much prettier [06:46] ---version-upgrade is for adept. ---install-recommends is for apt-get [06:46] Wheeeee! gutsy [06:47] Now I can laugh at people at work === Jucato spent 24 hours to dist-upgrade [06:47] i'm a little over 3.5 [06:48] stdin: thanks for the xhost tip :) [06:48] I'll try later to do what I want and run full KDE 4 + kde3 apps [06:48] It's much more pleasant [06:48] if I ignore my very messy desktop [06:48] I'll clean it up this weekend [06:49] Jucato: remember to use the command "exactly" as shown, it matters to xhost ;) [06:50] xhost+LOCAL: [06:50] right? [06:50] xhost is one of those things i bang my head to ge working then never think of again [06:50] Jucato: nope :p "xhost +LOCAL:" [06:50] :P [06:51] even the last ':' matters there [06:51] hm.. although it worked with the +LOCALE: [06:51] er.. LOCAL: [06:52] oh well, as long as the system didn't explode it's ok :) [06:53] oh wait! [06:53] that's what the countdown timer is for... [06:53]