[01:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[02:09] <nixternal> DaSkreech: pong?
[02:10] <DaSkreech> nixternal: should I suck it down and do a gutsy upgrade? or is stuff still broken?
[02:10] <nixternal> do it man, I have been running Gutsy since April, or May, or whenever they opened up the repos
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Yeah yeah
[02:12] <DaSkreech> I'm talking about a dist-upgrade to gutsy currently ;-P
[02:12] <nixternal> I did it this past week, you are fine
[02:12] <DaSkreech> is that knowningly borked currently?
[02:12] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:12] <DaSkreech> If not
[02:12] <DaSkreech> I BLAME NIXTERNAL!
[02:12] <DaSkreech> :-D
[02:13] <nixternal> it was only borked for a couple of hours due to a FTBS on volumeid I think
[02:13] <DaSkreech> OK
[02:15] <jjesse> i'm still dealing w/ my upgrade
[02:15] <jjesse> acpi doesn't work correctly, kubuntu-desktop won't install
[02:15] <DaSkreech> jjesse: When was that?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Weekend?
[02:16] <jjesse> i upgraded on frdiay
[02:16] <jjesse> and it was horible
[02:16] <jjesse> adept_updater still complains that i can' get things to finish successfully
[02:16] <jjesse> acpi powermanager and kubuntu-desktop won't update
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's when I was going to upgrade and I heard your tears splashing down the courtyard from here in the Tropics
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Decided against it
[02:17] <DaSkreech> but this is 5 days later so I'm going to give you my experience
[02:18] <DaSkreech> nixternal: SHould I do a GUI upgrade?
[02:18] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yes you should and post comments on how it went
[02:19] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Ah should I follow a set of recommended steps then?
[02:22] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: follow me, its not dangerous even if its dark in my cave
[02:22] <Tm_T> muhahahahahahahaa
[02:22] <jjesse> DaSkreech:  sorry was getting coffee
[02:22] <jjesse> yes follow the recommedations
[02:23] <DaSkreech> ok Let me go find the post
[02:23] <nixternal> interesting, Gnome has just recently gotten an international clock? I figured that would have been around since day one
[02:24] <nixternal> that is what I have enjoyed about KDE's clock, I can add as many locations as I want, and when I hover, I can see what time it is in the places I have selected
[02:24] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[02:24] <DaSkreech> they have conduit which makes up for that ;-(
[02:31] <DaSkreech> Oh
[02:31] <DaSkreech> maybe someone can help me with my "issue"
[02:31] <DaSkreech> I upgraded to the new emacs
[02:31] <DaSkreech> The old one keeps openeing though
[02:35] <DaSkreech> This is the most pleasant nerve wracking experience I've had in a long time :)
[02:45] <jjesse> how is your upgrade going?
[02:46] <Tm_T> hmm hmmm
[02:46] <Tm_T> it happened again
[02:46] <Tm_T> dist-upgrade destroyed my KDE gestures
[02:46] <nixternal> my emacs22 works like a champ
[02:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: well here is the funny thing
[02:47] <DaSkreech>  I have emacs set to auto start
[02:47] <DaSkreech>  that starts up as aemacs21
[02:47] <DaSkreech> if I just start emacs after that it's emacs22
[02:47] <nixternal> and emacs21 isn't installed?
[02:48] <nixternal> what are you using to autostart emacs?
[02:48] <nixternal> ~/.kde/Autostart?
[02:55] <DaSkreech> session
[02:58] <jjesse> hmm still having problems w/ locales on updates
[03:01] <jjesse> nixternal: history channel is running a cool thing about chicago and al capone right now
[03:02] <nixternal> I wonder if it is a new one?
[03:03] <nixternal> tonight is all about the Cubs anyways, Al Capone, though we love him dearly, will have to wait :)
[03:03] <jjesse> oh cubs are on?
[03:03] <nixternal> 9pm
[03:03] <nixternal> 1 hour
[03:03] <nixternal> Zambrano vs. Webb, game 1
[03:03] <nixternal> Cubbies will sweep
[03:03] <jjesse> who are they playing?
[03:03] <nixternal> even if Arizona took 4 of 6 this season
[03:04] <jjesse> ah arizona
[03:04] <nixternal> you are literally 60 miles away from me, I know your news, it is all over the TV, don't play all "I'm a Tiger's fan" on me :)
[03:04] <jjesse> hey i've been in columbus all week, all i've heard ist stupid indians stuff
[03:04] <nixternal> heh, the teacher is teaching javascript arrays, and I am reading mlb.com and nhl.com
[03:05] <jjesse> grin way to pay attention
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Yeah I had students like that
[03:05] <DaSkreech> none for JS though
[03:05] <DaSkreech> They listened
[03:07] <nixternal> man, javascript arrays are the same as every other languages array, but they also incorporate vector functions...cool
[03:07] <jjesse> nice they are the same but different
[03:07] <nixternal> ya right :)
[03:07] <nixternal> push_back, pop, and all of the fun stuff
[03:11] <jjesse> i love how the amount of karma in launchpad i gain each day doing bug work is equal to the amount i lose each day :(
[03:14] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[03:14] <nixternal> I totally gave up following karma
[03:14] <nixternal> I am sure I am probably at 0
[03:14] <nixternal> hell, I have like 24 translation karma points...ummm, ok :)
[03:14] <jjesse> i want to trade karma points in for a plasma tv
[03:14] <nixternal> ghahahahaha
[03:14] <nixternal> hahahhaa, dude, don't ever do that again
[03:15] <nixternal> hahahah, like frequent flyer miles
[03:15] <jjesse> why not?
[03:15] <nixternal> I just laughed out loud for real
[03:15] <DaSkreech> A Buddhist plasma TV?
[03:15] <jjesse> did i get you in trouble
[03:15] <nixternal> my teacher could really care less
[03:15] <jjesse> ha
[03:16] <nixternal> ahhh, he said "the last thing we are going to go over tonight..."
[03:16] <nixternal> which means he wants out of here to watch the Cubbies :)
[03:16] <jjesse> cubbies are going to lose
[03:16] <DaSkreech> Oh dude that's flippin awesome
[03:16] <DaSkreech> pc-BSD allws you to do xconfigure on boot
[03:16] <nixternal> jjesse: I hope you wet the bed tonight!
[03:16] <DaSkreech> That's brilliant
[03:17] <nixternal> dude, PC-BSD flies!
[03:17] <jjesse> hey its not my bed its the hotels
[03:17] <nixternal> gahahaha
[03:18] <jjesse> wow i didn't know al capone died of an std
[03:18] <jjesse> that's great
[03:19] <nixternal> hehe, oh ya, we like to think nobody else knows about that though...makes us look like a tougher city
[03:19] <nixternal> :p
[03:19] <jjesse> what a bad ass
[03:20] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[03:20] <jjesse> rebooting, be back in a bit
[03:21] <Jucato> good evening jjesse! :)
[03:22] <DaSkreech> ooooh so close
[03:23] <Jucato> to what?
[03:25] <DaSkreech> to him seeing the greeting
[03:25] <Jucato> ah..
[03:25] <Tm_T> Jucato: guten morgen
[03:26] <Jucato> guten.... evening :)
[03:26] <Tm_T> haha
[03:26] <Jucato> or afternoon :)
[03:26] <Tm_T> 0426 here
[03:26] <Jucato> guten morgen too?
[03:27] <Tm_T> very early, but yes
[03:27] <Jucato> why are you up so early? trying to catch a worm?
[03:27] <Tm_T> well I slept last 2 days over basicly...
[03:28] <Jucato> 48 hours of sleep? kool!
[03:28] <DaSkreech> 50%
[03:28] <Tm_T> Jucato: not slept thru but almost
[03:28] <Tm_T> and not Kool, by back is hurting now really bad
[03:29] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Alleve?
[03:29] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: que?
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Alleve. They always advertise about how good they are for back pain
[03:30] <Tm_T> if its not heavy drug...
[03:30] <Tm_T> heavy as morphine
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Oh that bad?
[03:32] <Tm_T> well I'm eating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine based drugs currently
[03:32] <Tm_T> and still have pains
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Yeah codeine is pretty addiction inducing
[03:32] <Tm_T> + I eat drugs for my head
[03:33] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: thats why I eat only when I really have to
[03:33] <DaSkreech> and you sleep all the time
[03:33] <Tm_T> nope
[03:33] <Tm_T> half of the time I cant sleep
[03:33] <Jucato> wb jjesse
[03:33] <Jucato> and good evening
[03:33] <jjesse> thanks Jucato
[03:33] <Tm_T> when I finally can then I really do sleep
[03:36] <DaSkreech> What's with the back pain?
[03:37] <Tm_T> who knows
[03:37] <Tm_T> doctors dont care because I still walk
[03:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: no idea for the version slip?
[03:37] <Tm_T> or something
[03:37] <Tm_T> (that means, reason isnt obvious enough)
[03:38] <DaSkreech> That's stupid I can think of three reasons
[03:38] <Tm_T> ?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Hooray!
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Mandriva club is free again!
[03:39] <Tm_T> is that similar to Nintendo club?
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Yes except more mysterious and maligned
[03:40] <Tm_T>  roger
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Pc-BSD relies on KDE4 :)
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Well now it's free to join in the hunt :)
[03:51] <cj_> Jucato:
[03:51] <cj_> hey Jucato
[03:51] <cj_> how are men
[03:54] <Tm_T> er
[03:55] <Jucato> :)
[03:55] <Jucato> sorry about that
[03:56] <Tm_T> you have fanboy?
[03:57] <Jucato> I forgot to set my invisibility on :)
[03:58] <Jucato> just a countrymate I was trying to convince that I wasn't who he thought I was. so followed me here and there :)
[03:59] <Tm_T> and everywhere =)
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Fanboy
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> heh
[04:03] <Jucato> very annoying and embarassing
[04:03] <DaSkreech> One more upgrade left :)
[04:03] <Jucato> and he thinks he's being funny...
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Are you who he thought you were?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> you are pretty popular now
[04:04] <DaSkreech> ha I knew there was a Ubuntu Muslim edition
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Upgrade killed the computer
[04:24] <DaSkreech> going to try again
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Can't :-(
[04:28] <DaSkreech> process is locked
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Ok sorted :)
[04:30] <jjesse> all set?
[04:30] <jjesse> sorry playing city of heros
[04:30] <jjesse> heroes
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Ok It's  doing the insane CPU thing
[04:32] <DaSkreech> If I go it crashed again
[04:33] <Jucato> kewl! city of heroes! :)
[04:34] <DaSkreech> City of villans is better :)
[04:35] <Jucato> city of * is better than anything real life
[04:36] <DaSkreech> City of chicago for instance
[04:38] <Jucato> phooey :P
[04:43] <coreymon77> huh?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Whee new Amarok :)
[04:43] <coreymon77> ubuntu muslim edition?
[04:43] <coreymon77> wtf is that?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: si
[04:43] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Did ubuntu christian edition confuse you?
[04:43] <coreymon77> wtf is the diff?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> It comes with a prayer time calendar
[04:43] <coreymon77> lol!
[04:44] <coreymon77> that it?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu Chrisitan edition came with Gnomesword installed
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Was that it?
[04:44] <DaSkreech>  yeah
[04:45] <coreymon77> gnomesword>
[04:45] <coreymon77> ?
[04:45] <coreymon77> whats that?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> !info gnomesword
[04:45] <ubotu> gnomesword: Bible study with GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.0-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 3502 kB, installed size 5172 kB
[04:45] <coreymon77> LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
[04:45] <coreymon77> any jewish edition?
[04:45] <Jucato> ichthux...
[04:46] <Jucato> a kde christian edition
[04:46] <jjesse> ubuntu christian edition does some crazy script stuff
[04:46] <coreymon77> any jewish ed?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> It does now
[04:46] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: yes
[04:46] <coreymon77> whats that do?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> there is a satanic edition as well
[04:47] <coreymon77> i know that
[04:47] <Jucato> the satanic ed is just a theme though
[04:47] <coreymon77> what does the jew edition do
[04:47] <DaSkreech> So you know the satanic edition
[04:47] <coreymon77> i was told about it before
[04:47] <DaSkreech>  but not the christian/muslim/jewsih ones?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> That's interesting
[04:47] <coreymon77> someone gave me a link to it
[04:47] <coreymon77> laughing
[04:48] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: what are you getting at?
[04:48] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: im jewish
[04:48] <Jucato> :P
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Just intereting where your knowledge lies
[04:48] <DaSkreech> hi hunger_t how are you?
[04:48] <coreymon77> someone showed me that
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah I thought it was a joke the first time I saw it
[04:49] <DaSkreech> but people seemed to take it seriously
[04:49] <coreymon77> someone in the kubuntu channel posted the link in the chan
[04:49] <DaSkreech>  course I thought Mint was a joke as well
[04:49] <coreymon77> laughing
[04:49] <DaSkreech> !icthux
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icthux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <coreymon77> whats the j. ed do?
[04:49] <Jucato> !info ichthux-desktop
[04:49] <ubotu> ichthux-desktop: Ichthux desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Is that missing a h?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> There we go
[04:49] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: much the same as the muslim
[04:50] <coreymon77> ???
[04:50] <coreymon77> we dont pray 5 times a day
[04:50] <coreymon77> but w.e
[04:50] <coreymon77> thats funny
[04:50] <DaSkreech> I guess the muslim one has been up dated
[04:50] <DaSkreech> The christian edition is in the news everynow and again
[04:51] <DaSkreech>  I haven't heard anything from the other two though
[04:51] <jjesse> ichtux has been developed since raphink got married
[04:51] <DaSkreech> https://launchpad.net/jubuntu
[04:51] <DaSkreech> has been?
[04:51] <jjesse> nixternal and i have done soem work on ichthux
[04:52] <jjesse> hasnt
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's the one that seems to have the most work and the least amount of press
[04:52] <DaSkreech> That's what I thought
[04:52] <jjesse> my wife got me a slingbox for our aniversary and i love it
[05:01] <DaSkreech> 50%
[05:01] <jjesse> 50% what?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Upgrade
[05:03] <jjesse> oh hopefully it goes well
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:04] <DaSkreech>  then I can laugh at the folks at work
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Wusses
[05:06] <jjesse> i'm thinking about competly redoing my box, especially when gutsy releases
[05:06] <jjesse> reinstall windows and gutsy
[05:07] <DaSkreech> I promised myself from the first time I heard that I wouldn't reinstall till Kubuntu shipped a KDE4 default install
[05:07] <DaSkreech> I have one windows to reinstall but I'm not looking forward to that
[05:09] <DaSkreech> I'm kinda surprised that nothing has popped up a dialog to ask me anything yet
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Ah here they come
[05:14] <jjesse> when i did my upgrade it totally blanked out, which is probablly why i had some many problems post upgrade
[05:14] <DaSkreech> jjesse: describe the blank out
[05:15] <jjesse> all my screens stopped showing text
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Mine killed my keyboard and I had a grey square taking up 80% of my monitor and flashing different patterns
[05:16] <Jucato> did you reach the part about PAM upgrading and wanting to restart services, with kdm included in that list?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> No I did that with the Live cd
[05:17] <jjesse> yes i did
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Allowed it once
[05:17] <Jucato> :)
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I've been living off the live CD for a few weeks
[05:17] <Jucato> must be nice
[05:17] <DaSkreech> so everytime I booted up I went through that
[05:17] <DaSkreech>  it was
[05:18] <DaSkreech> very liberating once you have RAM
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Oooh begali fonts
[05:25] <Jucato> stdin: ping
[05:25] <stdin> Jucato: pong
[05:25] <Jucato> let's play ping pong :)
[05:25] <Jucato> j/k
[05:25] <Jucato> I was just going to ask about your kde4 setup
[05:25] <stdin> yeah?
[05:25] <Jucato> you installed it on kde-devel or same user?
[05:26] <stdin> well I have done both, but what I ended up doing was installing as me, but in /kde4  a shared directory
[05:26] <Jucato> hm?
[05:27] <stdin> so it's world readable and owner/group writeable
[05:27] <stdin> so my kde-devel user can use it, and so can I
[05:27] <Jucato> kool. and how about the env vars?
[05:27] <stdin> I use the export lines from the beta2 instructions but with modified paths
[05:28] <stdin> I'll pastebin it
[05:28] <Jucato> I see I see..
[05:28] <jjesse> i have kicker crashing every 5 mintues on my kde 4 build
[05:28] <Jucato> you have kicker at all? O.o
[05:28] <jjesse> i think its kicker
[05:29] <jjesse> trying to remember, something is crashing every 5 mintues
[05:29] <Jucato> coz basically I *want* to use a full kde 4 session... but want to be able to use my kde3 apps as me... and I installed it on kde-devel
[05:29] <stdin> http://stdin.pastebin.us/39970
[05:29] <jjesse> don't happen to have my vm up
[05:29] <Jucato> must be plasma
[05:30] <Jucato> I see...
[05:30] <Jucato> is it only on kubuntu that you can't su to another user, export DISPLAY=0.0, and still not have authority to run apps from that user?
[05:30] <stdin> Jucato: I used kdesvn-build to build it all, so it was downloaded to /kde4/svn, built in /kde4/build and installed to /kde4/root
[05:31] <Jucato> and /kde4 is owned by?
[05:31] <stdin> Jucato: you need to run "xhost +LOCAL:" to run apps as another user in your display
[05:31] <Jucato> hm.. ok..
[05:31] <Jucato> I run that as me or as kde-devel?
[05:31] <stdin> as you
[05:32] <Jucato> trying
[05:32] <Jucato> kewl! thanks!
[05:32] <Jucato> now I hope that works in reverse too :O
[05:33] <stdin> my /kde4 is stdin:devel  (I sometimes work as devel when packaging because my $HOME is getting messy :)
[05:33] <Jucato> aah
[05:34] <Jucato> ah do you use Xephyr with kde4 sometimes?
[05:34] <stdin> sometimes yeah
[05:34] <Jucato> I can't seem to use any keyboard shortcut in kde4 in xephyr, even if it has captured mouse and keyboard input :(
[05:35] <stdin> I can after I press Ctrl-Shift
[05:35] <Jucato> weird :(
[05:35] <stdin> otherwise my current session grabs it
[05:35] <Jucato> my kde4 is really fscked up....
[05:36] <Jucato> dolphin crashes when everybody else's doesn't
[05:36] <Jucato> gah!! I'll just redo everything again!
[05:41] <stdin> wow, X just Xploded on me :p
[05:41] <Jucato> wb stdin :)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> well that broke well
[05:50] <DaSkreech> kstartupconfig is broken
[05:50] <DaSkreech>  though that may be smaller of my worries
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Strange
[06:05] <DaSkreech> It installed the 2.6.20 kernel
[06:07] <DaSkreech> jjesse: ping
[06:15] <nixternal> ARGH!
[06:15] <ScottK> URGH!
[06:15] <ScottK> ?
[06:16] <nixternal> Marmol is blowing it for the Cubs right now
[06:16] <ScottK> We are doing Gorilla screams, right?
[06:16] <nixternal> I had to shut off the game, I was yelling
[06:16] <ScottK> nixternal: It's the Cubs.  It has to work out like that.
[06:16] <nixternal> shush you Billy Goat! :)
[06:17] <nixternal> the curse of the goat, more like the curse of our relief pitching staff
[06:36] <DaSkreech> kdesudo remembers the password for a time?
[06:36] <nixternal> OK, I think I have successfully setup my email addys on the MLs with @kubuntu.org
[06:36] <nixternal> 15 minutes
[06:38] <DaSkreech> ok _-version-upgrade is now --dist-upgrade for adept_manager ?
[06:39] <nixternal> that I don't know, there is a link on the Beta release notes though
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:40] <DaSkreech>  digikam won't be upgraded
[06:40] <DaSkreech> intentional ?
[06:41] <stdin> I think hobbsee noticed that yesterday
[06:42] <stdin> upgrading need some work
[06:42] <DaSkreech> If i ask it to upgrade it starts removing packages
[06:42] <Jucato> DaSkreech: bug. Hobbsee fix
[06:42] <Jucato> nixternal: saw what I said about you in #kde? :P
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Ok
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Well
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Distupgrade went well with a little knowledge
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Only crashed twice and showed up two bugs
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Well the --version-upgrade was what I used as per recommendation
[06:46] <DaSkreech> My fonts are much prettier
[06:46] <Jucato> ---version-upgrade is for adept. ---install-recommends is for apt-get
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Wheeeee! gutsy
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Now I can laugh at people at work
[06:47] <DaSkreech> i'm a little over 3.5
[06:48] <Jucato> stdin: thanks for the xhost tip :)
[06:48] <Jucato> I'll try later to do what I want and run full KDE 4 + kde3 apps
[06:48] <DaSkreech> It's much more pleasant
[06:48] <DaSkreech> if I ignore my very messy desktop
[06:48] <DaSkreech> I'll clean it up this weekend
[06:49] <stdin> Jucato: remember to use the command "exactly" as shown, it matters to xhost ;)
[06:50] <Jucato> xhost<space>+<space>LOCAL:
[06:50] <Jucato> right?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> xhost is one of those things i bang my head to ge working then never think of again
[06:50] <stdin> Jucato: nope :p "xhost +LOCAL:"
[06:50] <Jucato> :P
[06:51] <stdin> even the last ':' matters there
[06:51] <Jucato> hm.. although it worked with the +<space>LOCALE:
[06:51] <Jucato> er.. LOCAL:
[06:52] <stdin> oh well, as long as the system didn't explode it's ok :)
[06:53] <Jucato> oh wait!
[06:53] <Jucato> that's what the countdown timer is for...
[06:53] <Jucato> exploding in 1 hour...
[06:54] <Jucato> 1 hour. plenty of time to...
[06:55] <stdin> ok
[06:56] <DaSkreech> 	Oh
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Printscreen doesn't work anymore
[06:56] <nixternal> from this point on, email for me should go to 'nixternal@kubuntu.org'
[06:58] <Jucato> hahaha
[06:58] <Jucato> at least now I'm no longer alone
[06:58] <nixternal> hehe
[06:58] <Jucato> I was like wtf! how come everyone's using @ubuntu.com in the changelogs...
[06:59] <Jucato> thinking that it was important in the first place :)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Ok that's one bug with KDE
[07:07] <nixternal> ouch, manchicken's new System76 laptop has caught on fire...well not really on fire, but it doesn't have a backlight anymore...that sucks
[07:07] <Jucato> O.o
[07:08] <nixternal> don't even think he has had it a month yet
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Coworkers hate KDE gutsy
[07:10] <Jucato> why?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Too shiny
[07:10] <DaSkreech> too kartoony
[07:11] <DaSkreech> too much like kde
[07:12] <nixternal> wtf
[07:13] <nixternal> to shiny? to cartoony?
[07:13] <nixternal> I hate people who say it is to cartoony
[07:13] <nixternal> show them edubuntu, I bet that will shut them up
[07:13] <Jucato> crystal is cartoony  :P
[07:13] <Jucato> j/k
[07:14] <nixternal> plastik and qtwhatever it is called isn't
[07:14] <nixternal> oh, icons
[07:14] <nixternal> Oxygen here :)
[07:14] <Jucato> on KDE 3?
[07:14] <nixternal> yup
[07:14] <Jucato> you you you! desecrator!!
[07:14] <Jucato> (is there such a word?)
[07:14] <nixternal> if not, there is now :)
[07:14] <Jucato> lol
[07:14] <nixternal> if george bush can do it, then so can Jucato
[07:15] <Jucato> hahahah
[07:15] <Jucato> (and yes, I didn't have too Google George Bush!)
[07:15] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:15] <Jucato> bah!
[07:16] <DaSkreech> If themes were easier in KDE I could get more people on it
[07:16] <DaSkreech>  most people I know like the technology but just want a more muted look
[07:17] <DaSkreech> One guy had gnome but nearly all his apps were KDE
[07:17] <DaSkreech> till he slowly replaced them all one by one
[07:18] <nixternal> I keep hearing that "if themese were easier in KDE" bit quite a lot nowadays
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Wonder how long it's going to take me to get annoyed by ksnapshot coming up when I press Print screen when that gets fixed
[07:18] <nixternal> last I checked, you typically downloaded the tarball, and installed it via system settings
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah but people keep pointing out that you can just drag and drop to a window in Gnome
[07:19] <Jucato> nixternal: depends on what kind of theme
[07:19] <Jucato> it's not all fine and dandy
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah and KDE has categories of themes which some people find confusing
[07:20] <DaSkreech>  which was like Win98 days
[07:20] <DaSkreech> I need to check what it's like in Vista
[07:20] <Jucato> KDE-Look helps in adding to the confusion
[07:20] <DaSkreech>  I just made all my windows pink in vista and that was it
[07:20] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/NOT_KARTOONY.jpg
[07:20] <nixternal> :)
[07:21] <Jucato> geeky :)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Your uncles place?
[07:22] <Jucato> actually GNOME got it a bit wrong too. if KDE was too specific, GNOME was too general... it calls everything a theme, even if it's just a color scheme
[07:22] <nixternal> that is my place!
[07:22] <nixternal> my little piece of heaven
[07:22] <DaSkreech> How do you right align yakauke?
[07:22] <Jucato> i've seen this before...
[07:22] <DaSkreech> In chicago ?
[07:22] <Jucato> DaSkreech: settings
[07:22] <nixternal> ya, the water that comes out of our faucets isn't even that clear
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Ah right
[07:23] <Jucato> Configure Yakuake
[07:23] <DaSkreech> I like full screen since I have splits
[07:23] <nixternal> some little island that is
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Looks like my friends island
[07:23] <DaSkreech>  monkey island
[07:23] <Jucato> donkey kong islan?
[07:23] <Jucato> island*
[07:23] <DaSkreech> no
[07:23] <DaSkreech>  just monkey island
[07:24] <DaSkreech>  off the coast of jamaica
[07:24] <DaSkreech>  I scubaed out there once
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Yeah but someone mapping back ksnapshot to Prntscreen would be dandy
[07:25] <Jucato> check Input Actions
[07:25] <Jucato> worksforme
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah well I just did an upgrade and it unmapped it
[07:26] <DaSkreech> take a lil poll and see if it's just me or it's the package
[07:27] <Jucato> I did an upgrade last sunday and didn't unmap it... but that more than 3 days ago
[07:27] <Jucato> hell could have broken loose in between
[07:27] <DaSkreech> can You send me a screenshot of your input actions
[07:27] <DaSkreech> I seem to have none
[07:28] <nixternal> DaSkreech: you go screwed by the dist-upgrade, that's all
[07:28] <Jucato> aaah I seem to have had that bug last month
[07:28] <nixternal> I did too
[07:29] <nixternal> oh well, bed time
[07:29] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:29] <Jucato> k'night nixternal!
[07:29] <DaSkreech> nixternal: i'M FIGURING
[07:29] <DaSkreech> whoops
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Jucato: restored by hand?
[07:30] <Jucato> nope.
[07:30] <Jucato> I forgot. I think the next update fixed it
[07:30] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:30] <DaSkreech> I'll enjoy the lack of ksnapshot while i can
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Did then install oxygen?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> they
[07:31] <Jucato> hm?
[08:37] <_StefanS_> morning
[08:40] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_!
[08:40] <Tm_P> hrr
[08:40] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[08:40] <Jucato> hi Tm_P! (in school?)
[08:40] <Tm_P> yup
[08:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: kdmtheme thingy almost done.
[08:40] <Jucato> _StefanS_: koolness! :)
[08:41] <_StefanS_> yessir, with override and all.
[08:42] <Jucato> nice! :)
[08:44] <Tm_P> override?
[08:46] <Jucato> strange.. my kwalletmanager seems to be missing..
[08:46] <Jucato> in the tray
[08:47] <Jucato> it's working. but the tray icon is gon
[08:47] <Tm_P> doublecheck settings
[08:48] <Jucato> triple checked
[08:48] <Jucato> this isn't the first time it happened after an update
[08:48] <Tm_P> weird
[08:49] <Jucato> very
[08:49] <Tm_P> did you reenabled trayicon?
[08:49] <Jucato> yep yep
[08:49] <Jucato> aah! one thing I haven't tried
[08:49] <Jucato> killing it and restarting
[08:49] <Tm_P> and still gone?
[08:50] <Jucato> there it is
[08:50] <Jucato> silly foo
[08:50] <Tm_P> hmmm
[08:52] <Jucato> yeah.. hm...
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: could you test the kdmtheme?
[09:55] <Jucato> sure. throw it to me :)
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/kde/kdmtheme_1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:57] <Jucato> doesn't exist?
[09:58] <_StefanS_> what if I just uploaded the file first :D
[09:58] <_StefanS_> jeez
[09:58] <Jucato> lol
[09:58] <_StefanS_> oh wait
[09:58] <_StefanS_> http://enhance-it.dk/deb/kdmtheme_1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:58] <Jucato> sorry.. I would have thought it existed already when you gave me a link :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> wrong folder
[09:59] <Jucato> now to test it...
[10:00] <Jucato> hm.. I have to logout first right?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:00] <Jucato> brb
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well just run it in a konsole "kcmshell kdmtheme" and check if the debug messages seem ok
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: and ofcourse the gui works.
[10:02] <Jucato> looks ok
[10:02] <Jucato> hold on let me really test :)
[10:06] <Jucato> _StefanS_: it doesn't seem to affect anything.
[10:06] <Jucato> it runs, it detects the correct config file (30_k_d_s)
[10:07] <Jucato> is the no user list already working btw?
[10:08] <Jucato> hm.. brb again
[10:13] <Jucato> _StefanS_: my bad, it works :)
[10:13] <Jucato> I had to sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ...
[10:14] <Jucato> though I can't seem to recall needing to do that before...
[10:15] <_StefanS_> override is determined in the init script i think
[10:18] <Jucato> that's a bit.. um.. inconvenient?
[10:18] <Jucato> _StefanS_: nice guess! it is in the kdm script :)
[10:19] <_StefanS_> uhm maybe we can ask the user to restart kdm
[10:20] <_StefanS_> what happens if youre logged in, restart kdm in a konsole?
[10:21] <Jucato> when you're logged into KDE and restart kdm? down goes KDE :)
[10:23] <_StefanS_> well.. what if you select restart x server from kdm, does it apply the changes?
[10:25] <Jucato> nope
[10:25] <Jucato> weird huh?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> not really, it just sighups the kdm process i guess
[10:33] <froscon> moin!
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hiya danimo
[10:34] <danimo> I tried it on an upgraded machine with an almost empty home, and yet it crashes during indexing
[10:35] <danimo> at least it shouldn't be enabled by default
[10:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, many ppl seem to just disable it, which pretty much indicates its fitness for general use :(
[10:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: just likewise I feel the inclusion of dolphin is rushed. did you see the flicker when it resizes? :(
[10:37] <_StefanS_> +1 for removing it. I did that manually on all my machines as well. Same with dolphin.
[10:37] <danimo> _StefanS_:  you're my man :)
[10:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: didnt notice it
[10:38] <Hobbsee> but we need to call a meeting asap and decide on this stuff
[10:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: try it and notice how the entire iconview flickers
[10:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: in the kde4 dolphin that's a nonissue because it uses konquerors views internally, which don't flicker
[10:38] <Hobbsee>  right
[10:39] <danimo> Hobbsee: d3lphin on the other hand does seem to have its own
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: also on dolphin, I stumbled upon another bug where it insist to create shortcuts and finally crashes.
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: its not mature, lets remove it.
[10:39] <danimo> plus the use of d3lphin really spoils dolphin in KDE 3, because to the user its the same, but technically, its by far not
[10:39] <danimo> w/KDE 3/KDE 4/
[10:40] <Jucato> +1 danimo
[10:40] <Jucato> I've already encountered users having a false impression of Dolphin in KDE 4 based on their impression of Dolphin which is actually D3lphin
[10:41] <danimo> yeah, and I was hoping we could actually surprise users by coming up with a new, "untainted" product
[10:41] <_StefanS_> dolphin and strigi should go away.
[10:41] <_StefanS_> +1 for both.
[10:42] <Jucato> hm.. that reminds me... the developer of d3lphin still hasn't replied when I sent him (her?)  my patch... oh well :P
[10:44] <allee> +1 for removing strigi (pitty).  but on my two gutsy laptop it used 100% cpu time some time after login :(
[10:45] <danimo> allee: yepp, because it fails to index and keeps trying again and again after each login
[10:45] <Hobbsee> would be nice to keep some stuff for hardy anyway
[10:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, strigi is part of KDE 4 anyway
[10:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: and with KDE 4, I'll even touch the code again
[10:45] <Jucato> :)
[10:46] <danimo> (a decent amount of money will also do, alternatively)
[10:46] <allee> danimo: strigi in KDE3 and 4 are different?  It's hard to beleave the KDE4 developers all disable strigi, without fixing it
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:47] <danimo> allee: no, but until KDE 4 is out we can iron out things
[10:47] <danimo> allee: the strigidaemon itself is Qt/KDE-agnostic
[10:48] <danimo> allee: strigi trunk has something to counter things
[10:48] <danimo> allee: the main problem was that nobody with a huge $HOME seems to have reported problems
[10:48] <danimo> most prolly disabled the applet right away instead
[10:49] <danimo> allee: the strigi maintainer said he had introduced improvements in trunk
[10:49] <danimo> allee: not sure if we could simply use that
[10:50] <danimo> allee: point is: it keeps the scheduler busy even when running low-prio, so it blocks other high prio apps
[10:50] <danimo> allee: and even if that was fixed... it should stop indexing e.g. when the laptop is running on battery, but that is not there at all
[10:51] <danimo> allee: point is: as long as its not as unobstrusive as spotlight, I don't want it
[10:51] <danimo> allee: and I don't know anyone who has ever noticed that the spotlight indexer is running
[10:51] <allee> danimo: this sounds really bad!  +99 for strigi-- :(
[10:52] <danimo> allee: that said, the "take up 99% CPU and index everything" should happen exactly once
[10:52] <danimo> allee: and after that it should only index directories where changes occured
[10:52] <danimo> allee: if it happens again and again thats usually a sign of the daemon dying somewhere
[10:52] <allee> danimo: well if indexing does not stop after 36 hours ....
[10:53] <danimo> allee: or its having a race condition, as vandoever suspects
[10:53] <allee> danimo: my feeling was that it runs crazy after indexing (no IO activity anymore!)
[10:53] <danimo> allee: yepp, the suspected racecondition
[10:53] <danimo> allee: it makes heavy use of threading, so that could easily happen
[10:55] <danimo> allee: I see two ways: try to package trunk, and/or remove strigi from kubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <Jucato> the latter looks more practical, given we only have 2 more weeks?
[10:56] <danimo> Jucato: well, what good is a package that is shipped by default but doesn't work either?
[10:56] <Jucato> hehe :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Conflicts: libexiv2c2a, libexiv2-0.12
[10:56] <Jucato> the digikam held back bug?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:59] <Hobbsee> exiv2 (0.15-1ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low
[10:59] <Hobbsee>   * Added conflicts and replaces of libexiv2c2a, libexiv2-0.12 on libexiv2-0
[10:59] <Hobbsee>     so that digikam does not get held back on upgrades.
[10:59] <Hobbsee>   * Fixes upgrade path for dapper --> gutsy and feisty --> gutsy
[10:59] <Hobbsee>  -- Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com>  Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:56:24 +1000
[10:59] <Hobbsee> that'll fix half of it
[11:00] <Jucato> yay half :)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> so that'll also fix the problem for hardy - or at least, they can base it off that.
[11:01] <Jucato> so we're going to have a meeting soonish?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> mhmmm
[11:03] <_StefanS_> now why doesnt debdiff, debuild -S work for me now....jeez
[11:03] <Riddell> danimo: what makes you think trunk is any better?
[11:04] <Jucato> _StefanS_: welcome temporarily to my world :)
[11:04] <danimo> Riddell: the fact that vandoever said so?
[11:04] <Riddell> nixternal: "Richard Johnson <nixternal@kubuntu.org> has been successfully subscribed to dot-editors." yay
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Jucato: like I explained to you the other day (or week) I'm just doing the same now, and it dont work.. argh
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: okay, all of digikam should be fixed now.
[11:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yipee! I'm going to install feisty and upgrade to gutsy on the laptop tomorrow. sound like fun? :)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wait a bit - there are a few more file conflicts.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> and i forgot to log my pbuilder run.
[11:05] <Jucato> just to test... since our virtualization solutions are kinda borked in gutsy
[11:06] <Hobbsee> virtualbox works fine, if from the site itself
[11:07] <Tm_P> hi kids
[11:07] <Jucato> yeah from the site...
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any idea why I dont see a diff when creating a patch ? I do cp altered sources, dch -i, debuild -S
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: dont get it
[11:08] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: you didnt run debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > diff
[11:08] <danimo> Riddell: any chance we could give that a try? I'd even volunteer for tests
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: trouble is that I dont get a new.dsc at all
[11:09] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: want to give the output of ls in the directory above the source?
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: two secs
[11:11] <Riddell> danimo: try to package trunk strigidaemon?
[11:11] <danimo> Riddell: aye
[11:11] <danimo> Riddell: what version are you using nowadays?
[11:12] <Riddell> 0.5.5-2ubuntu2
[11:12] <danimo> Riddell: I mean: where did you take it from?
[11:12] <Riddell> danimo: the strigi website
[11:13] <Riddell> danimo: I've asked vandenoever if he thinks it would be a good idea, shouldn't be hard to do
[11:13] <danimo> Riddell: can you make a trunk package and I'll give it a try?
[11:13] <danimo> Riddell: I was about to ask him the same :)
[11:24] <larsivi> Heya, strigideamon is seriously slowing down my computer the last few days, using both cores - even when running on battery
[11:27] <larsivi> and quitting strigi desktop search don't stop the deamon
[11:28] <Riddell> larsivi: we're just discussing the same
[11:28] <Riddell> 10:13 < vandenoever> Riddell: current trunk will start glowing next week
[11:28] <Riddell> 10:13 < vandenoever> Riddell: right now, i would not touch it for gutsy
[11:28] <Riddell> danimo: ^^
[11:28] <Riddell> trouble is, next week is too late
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that depends how  much you want to piss steve off :P
[11:30] <danimo> Riddell: hmmm, your choice to battle with steve. however, It'd be a good choice anyway to remove the strigi dependeny from kubuntu-desktop for gutsy
[11:31] <Riddell> I'll probably move strigiapplet to ship
[11:32] <Riddell> or I could remove it from autostart and put it in the menu
[11:33] <danimo> Riddell: better don't advertise it at all if it doesn't work. it just fills the menu and annoys users
[11:34] <danimo> Riddell: really, either we have a solution or we don't
[11:34] <danimo> not to forget that annoyed users will annoy us in the end :)
[11:34] <larsivi> if I can come with an opinion as a user; it sucks, both performance wise, and the search itself
[11:35] <larsivi> I have a 1.8GHz dual core, and it is not responsive while strigideamon is working
[11:35] <larsivi> which it seems to do all the time ...
[11:36] <danimo> larsivi: yepp, we discussed the whole thing through
[11:36] <danimo> larsivi: we better not ship it now if we want to avoid the desaster gnome had with beagle
[11:40] <Riddell> s/gnome/suse/  ubuntu gnome is shipping with tracker, which works reasonably well
[11:42] <_StefanS_> is there a kde frontend for searching with tracker ?
[11:42] <Riddell> no
[11:42] <_StefanS_> uhm thats what I figured :)
[11:42] <_StefanS_> but the backend is separated so it could be done?
[11:42] <_StefanS_> (dont know much about tracker)
[11:43] <_StefanS_> ah I see its Desktop Neutral
[11:44] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Riddell> just like strigi
[11:46] <larsivi> are there screenshots of kubuntu-edubuntu ?
[11:46] <Riddell> edubuntu-kde, it looks exactly like kubuntu (but has some educational apps installed)
[11:47] <larsivi> hmm, ok
[11:47] <larsivi> I'd wish there was a edubuntu-snofrix :)
[11:48] <larsivi> does edubuntu cooperate with skolelinux?
[11:50] <Riddell> you'd need to ask them
[12:17] <Riddell> oh well, strigi autostart gone, hopefully it'll work better soon
[12:19] <Tm_P> shame but right
[12:21] <Jucato> well it's still installed by default, just not autostarted... unless it was left running in the session :)
[12:23] <Tm_P> hrhr
[12:24] <Tm_P> I prolly dont even have it installed
[12:25] <Tm_P> should try it though
[12:31] <mhb> nixternal: how come the welcome page in Firefox is still in English? Should I wait before the translations kick in?
[01:25] <Knightlust> http://digg.com/apple/New_iMacs_plagued_by_interface_freezing_issues
[01:29] <Knightlust> sorry, wrong channel
[02:02] <kwwii> Riddell: meeting
[02:19] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/knotes_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:19] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/knotesplugin.desktop', which is also in package kontact
[02:19] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:19] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/korganizerplugin.desktop', which is also in package kontact
[02:21] <Tm_P> hrrr
[02:21] <Jucato> yay
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:21] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:21] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[02:21] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/karm_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[02:21] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[02:21] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/knotes_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[02:21] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[02:22] <Jucato>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/katapultrc HideSessionNotification is set to 2, which doesn't seem to be a valid value (0 or 1 only)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ...yay.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> we need to get k-d-s in done state RSN
[02:22] <Hobbsee> main freeze is tomorrow
[02:23] <Jucato> lovely :)
[02:23] <Jucato> but I might have foobared by k-d-s so I can't be a reliable source :)
[02:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what are you doing to get those errors?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dist upgrade from feisty.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> it's long been a problem, but i've lost the orig bug.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> we've still got the kdmrc files problems, too.
[02:28] <Riddell> Jucato: 2 is a valid value of HideSessionNotification
[02:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's not in shape about k-d-s?
[02:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why aren't you using the dist upgrade tool?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there are a couple of patches for it, and i assume that you read -devel
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: because i knew that people would try it the other awy, and thought that we should check for file overwrites and such.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, because i prefer nto to forward X-sessions across sydney
[02:29] <Riddell> which -devel ?
[02:29] <Jucato> Riddell: doesn't work here. it still shows up.  but again... I might have foobared something
[02:30] <Hobbsee> http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/log is the log
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the other one.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: about main freezing
[02:30] <Riddell> I don't read ubuntu-devel very frequently
[02:31] <Riddell> Jucato: if you start katapult manually it is ment to have the startup message
[02:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: grepping for "error processing" in that log doesn't turn up anything
[02:32] <Jucato> Riddell: ah ok... so what does 2 stand for? don't show the notification when saved from session?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, so it doesn't.  damn thing.
[02:33] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, I believe so
[02:33] <Jucato> ah I see
[02:33] <Riddell> hmm, no Lure, we need to decide on new kdepim version or not
[02:35] <Riddell> control-thing ] 
[02:35] <Riddell> and up arrows
[02:35] <Hobbsee> darn, scrollback doesnt go far enough
[02:41] <nixternal> mhb: the translation is available for you right? as in..it is installed on your machine?
[02:41] <nixternal> Riddell: woohoo :)
[02:42] <Riddell> nixternal: whit?
[02:42] <nixternal> the dot subscription
[02:43] <Riddell> ah, woo hoo
[02:43] <nixternal> hehe
[02:43] <Jucato> booyah!
[02:43] <Jucato> nixternal taking over da Dot!
[02:43] <nixternal> man, I need manchicken to look at some perl code that does the silly firefox translations
[02:45] <Jucato> I can't recall, but was it necessary before to restart KDM through sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart when applying a new kdm theme? or simply restarting X or logging out made it take effect?
[02:47] <Jucato> before = before gutsy
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hm, apparently tonio_'s attempted to fix this.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: all of the above need to conflict (and replace, i think) with the feisty version of kontact - what's the easiest way to od that?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> just add C&R's for all of the affected packages?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> or is there an easier way?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> (and will it break if i do C&R's on multiple packages, replacing the same original package?)
[03:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: add C&Rs, no problem with multiple packages
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, OK
[03:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but the question is if we want to upload Lure's newer kdepim
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are the changes?
[03:03] <Riddell> just a newer snapshot
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: anything interesting in it?
[03:08] <Riddell> bug fixes
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: may as well grab it, then.
[03:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes I think we should, just checked the upstream and it's pretty close to their QA tested one
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, OK
[03:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you want to or shall I?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is our bzr tree up to date, i wonder...
[03:13] <Riddell> no idea
[03:14] <Hobbsee> nope, it's way out.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're modifying anything in debian/?  apart from the changelog?
[03:34] <kwwii> is kde4 for Gutsy working atm?
[03:34] <stdin> depends what you mean by "working"
[03:35] <kwwii> well, it is installable, etc...not that it will work perfectly
[03:35] <stdin> it's installable yeah
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please take http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdepim.debdiff for your upload
[03:36] <stdin> same instructions for feisty except it in gutsy/universe not feisty-backports/universe
[03:36] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/146807 looks good to fix, too
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146807 in kdenetwork "Gutsy merge broke KDE's kcm_kdnssd" [Undecided,New] 
[03:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: new kdepim up
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with my debdiff?
[03:57] <Riddell> yes
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excellent, thanks :)
[04:17] <DaSkreech> kwwii: ping
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya
[04:21] <DaSkreech> hi
[04:21] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:22] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech, Jucato
[04:22] <kwwii> DaSkreech: pong
[04:23] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Is the standard splash screen supposed to have a Ubuntu rather than kubuntu logo?
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Or Standard
[04:24] <Riddell> which splash screen
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Standard
[04:25] <DaSkreech> The one below Simple
[04:25] <Jucato> ah you mean in the list of ksplash themes?
[04:25] <kwwii> DaSkreech: not sure which one you are talking about
[04:25] <kwwii> the ubuntu splash screen should have been removed
[04:26] <DaSkreech> No
[04:26] <kwwii> as ubuntu no longer uses a splash screen like ksplash
[04:26] <kwwii> or do you mean the usplash?
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Nope
[04:26] <DaSkreech> on Logging in
[04:26] <Jucato> that's ksplash
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Systme settings -> splash screen -> standard -> test
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Oh that's disabled now?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> ah never mind I guess.
[04:28] <Riddell> you seem to be describing the theme named "standard" for ksplash, which has no distro logo
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Mine does
[04:28] <DaSkreech> the ubuntu logo
[04:29] <DaSkreech> When it says KDE is up and running it shows the Ubuntu logo
[04:29] <Riddell> shows blank for me
[04:29] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Oh did the upgrade to gutsy last night. Only crashed twice and I had only one annoyance. no major headaches
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Other than giving me a 2.6.20 kernel instead of a 2.6.22
[04:30] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it should be a bit smoother now.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> seeing asi i havent tried with --install-recommends yet and such
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: can You do that visually?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: sorry?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: sure, i can see the console.
[04:31] <DaSkreech> adept_manager --version-upgrade --install-recommends
[04:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: crashed twice doesn't sound like no major headaches
[04:31] <Hobbsee> didnt try with a_m
[04:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what crashed and when? and do you have logs?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> although perhaps i will try the X forwarding
[04:32] <DaSkreech> It upgraded * except for digikam
[04:32] <DaSkreech>  I hear you are working on that
[04:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, fixed that tonight
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are we using --install-recommends fo rthe adept upgrdae by default?
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Riddell: adept_manager version upgrade did some funkitroinc thing with my monitor where everything died and I got a grey square taking up 80% of my monitor flashing patterns
[04:33] <DaSkreech> rebooted and that didn't seem to cause any issues seemed to have happened too quickly for any logs
[04:34] <DaSkreech> At the end of the upgrade I assume it was shutting down the computer since I lost X and all my ttys
[04:34] <Hobbsee> pam upgrade, maybe
[04:34] <DaSkreech> after about 15 minutes I got the normal shutdown console messages but in some strange font/language
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I was looking out for that since i know that it asks to restart kdm I never saw a prompt
[04:36] <Riddell> DaSkreech: those could be described as headaches
[04:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the dist upgrade tool?  mvo tells me it does, although I'm yet to test it myself
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we just have a qt frontend from that, spawned from adept, presumably?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> surely we dont recalculate all of it ourselves?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> when I booted back up I ran into the evms Tourettes syndrome bug
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Removed evms until that's sorted out
[04:38] <DaSkreech> everything was fine after that. I installed 2.6.22 manually
[04:38] <mhb> good evening
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Oh apport-qt took up damn near all my cpu for like 4 minutes
[04:39] <DaSkreech> then reported that strigi and firefox died
[04:39] <DaSkreech> That happened first boot
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> hello mhb
[04:39] <DaSkreech> no it takes up like 68% for 40 seconds and just reports on strigi
[04:40] <mhb> DaSkreech: apport-qt is evil
[04:40] <Jucato> hi mhb
[04:40] <mhb> hi nosrednaekim, Jucato
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Riddell: possibly but I did what the casual user would do. I just shut down and brought the machine back up and it continued fine
[04:40] <DaSkreech> mhb: I uninstalled it before I probably will again when gutsy ships but till then I'm in "average Joe' test mode
[04:41] <DaSkreech> afterwards I'll will go to Viewtiful Joe
[04:41] <Riddell> mhb: why is it evil?
[04:43] <mhb> Riddell: well, I disagree with it on several levels, one of them is the annoying pop-up for password (which tends to pop-up randomly even though something crashed in the far past) and the fact that it is processed by update-manager
[04:43] <mhb> I do not think the user should see a pop-up like that, without any explanation for what happened (but I said this before and we had implemented something in kdesudo to fix this and I will try to do that for Hardy)
[04:44] <mhb> oh, and it looks different that the classic KDE crash dialog, that is also a minus
[04:45] <mhb> crash report checker should be one, not two
[04:46] <DaSkreech> I wonder if the user can have a front end to popcon
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Wasn't there an issue with it attaching a lot of not useful information ?
[04:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: they do (in so far as the only user function is to turn it on or off)
[04:47] <DaSkreech> I was thinking more like stats on what they don't use so they can say oh I remember installing that. (apt-get remove)
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Oh! Lets see if strigi still dies as soon as it starts
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Nope still dies on .mozilla-thunderbird
[04:56] <Riddell> DaSkreech: popcon doesn't have that data
[04:57] <DaSkreech> popcon is install and usage data isn't it?
[04:57] <Riddell> no usage data as far as I know
[04:57] <kwwii> Riddell: did you read Jono's update email? What in the world does he mean with " 2. In Adept -> Manage Repositories enable "Recommended updates" and
[04:57] <kwwii> "Pre-released updates", close and reload"
[04:58] <Riddell> kwwii: which part are you stuck on?
[04:58] <Riddell> you have adept?
[04:58] <kwwii> yes, I open adept-manager from the system menu entry in kmenu
[04:59] <kwwii> step number two makes no sense as I do know which repo he is talking about
[04:59] <Riddell> and in the Adept menu you have Manage Repositories?
[04:59] <kwwii> yepp
[04:59] <DaSkreech> and that gives you a box with tabs?
[04:59] <DaSkreech> a dialog with tabs ?
[04:59] <Riddell> kwwii: does that load up in a separate window, or within the adept window?
[04:59] <kwwii> that changes the main window
[05:00] <Riddell> you need to install software-properties-kde then
[05:00] <kwwii> in tha tI see a list with reset, apply and cancel at the bottom
[05:00] <Riddell> somehow you must have uninstalled it
[05:01] <kwwii> erm, when installing that it wants to install python-qt4
[05:01] <kwwii> is that right?
[05:01] <Riddell> yes
[05:01] <Riddell> it's written in pyqt 4
[05:02] <kwwii> ahaa, now I have a pop-up
[05:04] <DaSkreech> There we go the updates tab is where you need
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Well that crashed
[05:22] <Riddell> fabo: I plan to apply this to Kubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/136425
[05:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136425 in qt4-x11 "qtconfig-qt4 in Accessories?" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:22] <Riddell> just set it to Categories=Qt;Settings;
[05:29] <fabo> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444896
[05:29] <ubotu> Debian bug 444896 in qt4-qtconfig "qt4-qtconfig: wrong menu section" [Normal,Open] 
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Any clue why strigi tries to index non existent folders and crashes? other than hard coding those folders of course
[05:31] <Riddell> fabo: that looks different (and since we don't use the debian menu not relevant to kubuntu?)
[05:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: #strigi better place
[05:35] <fabo> Riddell: related to menu only, but i never noticed menu wasn't used in kubuntu
[06:29] <Riddell> mayeco: I'm not sure I see much point in it being owned by the council than by an individual, it just means council gets e-mailed more
[06:29] <mayeco> mmmmmm you think
[06:30] <mayeco> finally will be the same thing right
[06:30] <mayeco> as just a think...
[06:30] <mayeco> was just...
[06:37] <mayeco> Riddell: I just was thinking that the users will be the same as the members
[07:06] <Goliath23> hi. did anyone notice lately, that the mouse cursor on startup has a strange cross-shape and the pc speaker beaps two times on the first klick?
[07:06] <mhb> Goliath23: yes
[07:06] <Goliath23> I have this on my home and work system, both gutsy
[07:06] <Goliath23> mhb: what's the cause?
[07:06] <mhb> Goliath23: me too
[07:06] <mhb> Goliath23: if I remember correctly some error in the bluetooth detection code
[07:07] <mhb> Goliath23: I am sure it will be fixed soon-ish
[07:50] <DaSkreech> The clock crashes Gutsy
[07:50] <DaSkreech>  well locks it up hard
[07:57] <larsivi> hey again
[07:58] <larsivi> I'm testing some of the edubuntu stuff, but gcompris won't start - it just disappears without a message
[07:59] <larsivi> the only thing of interest when starting from console is ** (process:6143): WARNING **: Binary relocation disabled
[07:59] <larsivi> it then ends after some info on files and db
[07:59] <larsivi> no crash or other error message
[08:37] <Riddell> larsivi: seems to work for me
[08:37] <Riddell> although it changed my resolution without asking and I had to press alt-tab to get it to appear
[08:37] <Riddell> I also get ** (process:18151): WARNING **: Binary relocation disabled
[08:38] <Riddell> DaSkreech: which clock?
[08:38] <Riddell> DaSkreech: how about openGL module in kinfocentre?
[08:42] <larsivi> Riddell: running from console with -D it seems it can't open the db file
[08:48] <larsivi> Riddell: I figured it out, ~/.config was owned by root
[08:50] <larsivi> Riddell: only Trolltech.conf was in it at that time - install time  bug?
[08:58] <Riddell> hmm, I hope not
[09:00] <marseillai> does anyone has some problem with the new alt+tab when there is more than two windows open? for me it often choose to put in the second plan another windows that the last one wich had the focus
[09:00] <marseillai> is it something i've break in my configuration or more general?
[09:03] <larsivi> Riddell: I certainly haven't touched that directory manually, maybe others who installed gutsy on a clean sheet could verify/dismiss
[09:08] <Riddell> marseillai: new alt-tab?
[09:09] <marseillai> yes
[09:09] <marseillai> before i had a pop-up showing a picture of all windows then i could select the one i want
[09:10] <marseillai> then this have disappear and now there's no more pop-up the selected windows came takes the focus directly
[09:10] <marseillai> i know it's not clear but i can't do better with my english
[09:16] <Riddell> marseillai: we havn't made any such change in KDE/kubuntu
[09:16] <Riddell> maybe you have another window manager installed
[09:16] <marseillai> oh yes
[09:17] <marseillai> i've made a compiz test two weeks ago and didn't restart with a clean session since this test
[09:17] <marseillai> sorry for this mistake and disturbing you
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Riddell: What about it?
[10:52] <DaSkreech>  Sorry went off for a meeting
[10:52] <DaSkreech> !support
[10:52] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> they need to add kubuntu to that ^^
[10:53] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: rewrite it and join #ubuntu-bots
[10:55] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what about what?
[10:55] <DaSkreech> The open GL module
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I've had 3 hard freezes since Gutsy. They all happened when I moused over the Clock and got the "taskbar" tooltip
[10:59] <Riddell> DaSkreech: do you also get a hard freeze looking at the openGL module in kinfocentre?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> You mean just opening it?
[10:59] <DaSkreech>  No
[10:59] <DaSkreech> I'm looking at it now
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: happens to me when I have XGL running.
[11:00] <DaSkreech> With all subsections expanded
[11:03] <DaSkreech> ok I have a meeting and then have some people to pickup
[11:03] <DaSkreech> I'll continue this tomorrow
[11:05] <Riddell> ok, good sign
[11:05] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: hmm
[11:05] <Riddell> bad sign
[11:06] <Riddell> maybe we should just disable it
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: can you check what X server is running?
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: XGL will be unnessesary by 8.04 since ATI is doing AIGLX this month.
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Bye!
[11:11] <Riddell> I have ATI, but no XGL