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[06:57] <kwwii_sleep> moin
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[08:17] <troy_s> <kwwii> one thing that is very important is that people state which license they are going to use
[08:17] <troy_s> Rather important as the FSF has stated quite clearly that the CCbySA is incompatible with the GPL.
[08:17] <troy_s> Might be worth considering licensing the artwork via the GPLv3 (as Debian is the Ubuntu heritage) so it keeps it open for Debian integration.
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[08:56] <lassegul> good morning.
[09:18] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, might be a very good point
[09:19] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't know how all of that is going to play out, but very clearly having a license that is directly conflicting with the GPL is a problem.
[09:19] <troy_s> kwwii: Also, the only way around the matter was to apparently create TWO full 'packages' with different licenses for each.  Which is rather well... silly.
[09:21] <kwwii> you are probably right...maybe we have a lawyer who could help me make a decision on this
[09:23] <troy_s> kwwii: If you peruse the FSF (I think it was) you will probably see their clear statement that CCbySA is a no compatible thing (as I believe it stems from the 'all encompassing' nature of both licenses)
[09:23] <kwwii> I'll check that out
[09:27] <kwwii> as it is, we did not put in any suggestion for which license, just stating that it had to be a free license with a few examples
[09:27] <kwwii> if CCbySA turns out to be a bad choice we can remove it from that list
[09:29] <Madpilot> I've still never understood the FSF's objection to cc-by-sa - it's the GPL, made slightly less specific, far as I can tell
[09:33] <troy_s> Madpilot: The explanation given was that (and this was from some analysis from outside of both the CC and GPL camps)
[09:33] <troy_s> that each license tries to be 'all encompassing' and as a result they both end up colliding.
[09:33] <troy_s> I think it is less about what the licenses 'mean' or 'are about' and more about the fact that they are effectively two different licenses trying to encompass the whole -- despite heading towards common goals.
[09:34] <troy_s> It is more apparently about the licenses trying to 'be alpha' license.
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[02:05] <artnay> kwwii: would it be possible to release the official CD cover artwork when 7.10 is launched? we're shipping CDs to libraries here in .fi but we (LoCo) were denied to receive official CDs that would be distributed to local libraries. at least the official CD cover artwork would be needed with self-made CDs.
[02:06] <kwwii> artnay: erm, who refused what?
[02:06] <kwwii> if anyone refused something it is probably the Gutsy artwork which was refused because it is not finished yet, I would guess
[02:07] <kwwii> I just approved some last minute changes recently, I doubt that anyone has it in a form with which to give it to you
[02:07] <kwwii> if you wait until the release it would not be a problem
[02:08] <artnay> ok then. actually shipit denied the official CDs, not the actual artwork
[02:08] <artnay> but it's always been a pain to find the official CD cover artwork
[02:09] <artnay> afaik it hasn't even been released
[02:09] <artnay> in many cases... both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing should have it
[02:09] <nothlit> the diy marketing page has some horrid modifications =o
[02:17] <kwwii> artnay: which version are we talking about here?
[02:17] <kwwii> artnay: the feisty artwork is online
[02:20] <nothlit> he wants gutsy cover art
[02:20] <nothlit> artnay: i thought when you order in bulk from shipit you can/should pay for it?
[02:20] <nothlit> artnay: why would that be denied
[02:21] <kwwii> there are no Gutsy CDs yet
[02:21] <kwwii> as Gutsy is not done yet
[02:22] <artnay> yes, understood. just wanted to express that there's a need for official CD cover artwork.
[02:22] <artnay> nothlit: heh, that's what we were talking about with jenda
[02:23] <kwwii> artnay: as soon as it is released I will see that it finds a place in the wiki (probably the DIY I guess)
[02:23] <artnay> kwwii: great.
[02:24] <artnay> in the past the official CD cover artwork wasn't released, nice to see the situation has changed
[02:25] <kwwii> artnay: it has been released for at least the last two releases
[02:25] <kwwii> I know because I put it up :-)
[02:25] <artnay> it's in examples at least, right?
[02:26] <kwwii> nope, it is on the wiki somewhere
[02:27] <kwwii> that work is done by an external company with Adobe software so there is little point releasing their originals, all I release is the pdf version
[02:27] <nothlit> i've actually seen svgs in the forums before, translated svgs or something
[02:35] <andreasn> kwwii: indesign format?
[02:53] <kwwii> andreasn: usually just AI
[02:53] <andreasn> ok
[02:54] <andreasn> could be fairly simple to make into a svg
[02:54] <kwwii> except the text never comes out the same
[02:54] <kwwii> but yeah, to some extent it is possible
[02:56] <andreasn> the text could be fixed afterwards with first tracing it, the retyping the text in the same font in inkscape
[02:56] <andreasn> anyway, whatever :)
[02:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: .AI!? For shame. :(
[02:56] <_MMA_> :)
[03:00] <kwwii> :p
[03:00] <kwwii> man, how dare they do print work without linux :D
[03:00] <_MMA_> lol. They dont.
[03:01] <_MMA_> Sad fact.
[03:01] <kwwii> sure, with linux you kinda have to guess at the colors, but hey! it is free!
[03:01] <_MMA_> err.. Dont do it well anyway.
[03:01] <kwwii> maybe that will change in the future
[03:02] <_MMA_> Yeah. If we can stop forking everything and agree on things/standards.
[03:03] <_MMA_> Stop hiding "This is open-source. choice is everything".
[03:03] <kwwii> lol, no doubt
[03:03] <kwwii> but open source software is like a religion
[03:03] <kwwii> each piece has their own "truth"
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[03:04] <_MMA_> I like alot of the choices we do have but it slows us down so much its terrible.
[03:05] <nothlit> _MMA_: if there was no choice we'd all be using kde, and thered be no gnome, xfce, lxde, fluxbox, etc
[03:06] <_MMA_> nothlit: No. Your example is too basic. Its the overwhelming choices we do have.
[03:07] <_MMA_> A new user looking at Distrowatch is a good example.
[03:07] <andreasn> I managed to do quite a lot of print stuff in scribus
[03:09] <_MMA_> nothlit: KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Fluxbox are fine choices. Beyond that I think its pointless. IMO Enlightenment and XFCE could have part of Gnome. People let their own egos and personal feelings get in the way all too often.
[03:10] <_MMA_> *have been part...
[03:10] <kwwii> not to be evil, but look at the first email the was sent to start the Gnome project - it went something along the lines of "I want to create something like KDE but different" :p
[03:11] <_MMA_> Im sure you know the other major reasons why Gnome started. Im also sure you know exactly what Im talking about. ;)
[03:12] <_MMA_> Too many parallel or really similar projects are diluting/fragmenting our development resources.
[03:13] <_MMA_> Im actually in talks now with the guys at 64Studio about a merge. Part of my way to address this problem.
[03:20] <kwwii> yeah, well, gnome came out and if you look at the best software, most of it is gtk based
[03:21] <kwwii> my quote of the day is "the world does not make man, man makes the world"
[03:21] <andreasn> kwwii: I like the fact that the first response to that e-mail was "thanks for reinventing the wheel moron, kde rocks!" :)
[03:21] <kwwii> andreasn: you gotta love sarcasm :D
[03:21] <andreasn> ie. the first gnome vs. kde flamewar post :)
[03:21] <_MMA_> :)
[03:22] <kwwii> I started getting into this quote of the day thing sitting on the toilet reading one of my wife's stupid women magazines
[03:22] <kwwii> seemed like the perfect place to find enlightenment
[03:22] <andreasn> anyway, I mean, both project are good and healthy and have a potential to bring free software to the masses
[03:23] <kwwii> "and then, with a grunt, everything became clear"
[03:23] <kwwii> andreasn: right, but there is no way in hell that they will ever join together in one project
[03:23] <andreasn> yeah
[03:23] <nothlit> i can only like one of the projects at once and hate the other =p
[03:23] <kwwii> the technical issues alone are reason enough for the religous to stop if from ever happening
[03:23] <nothlit> i'm sure its the same for many
[03:24] <andreasn> and there are several car manufacturers, not only ford
[03:25] <_MMA_> Well the simple Gnome or KDE choice for users I think is fine. KDE4 is gonna make things damn interesting though. (MMA is a Gnome guy)
[03:25] <kwwii> well, anyone with half a brain knows that FVWM is the *best* of all desktops
[03:25] <kwwii> funny enough, when I started with linux, fvwm really was the best
[03:26] <_MMA_> I started with KDE and RedHat.
[03:26] <_MMA_> RH6 I think.
[03:26] <kwwii> I remember when suse decided to go with KDE and about half the company went "wtf?"
[03:26] <_MMA_> :)
[03:28] <_MMA_> kwwii: Do you know how to jut a purely KDE4 setup on Gutsy now? ie: Starting from a CLI install than grabbing the needed packages.
[03:29] <kwwii> _MMA_: I always just install kubuntu
[03:30] <kwwii> and gimp and inkscape are a must for me
[03:30] <nothlit> _MMA_: you can install kde-core or kde-base or kde iirc
[03:30] <nothlit> depending on how large you want your installation
[03:30] <_MMA_> nothlit: Well Im trying to get *just* whats needed for KDE4.
[03:31] <nothlit> kde-core
[03:31] <_MMA_> Most of the how-tos start with Kubuntu and add on top.
[03:31] <nothlit> its the complete minimal, kde-base is the default set of stuff that comes with it and kde is everything
[03:32] <_MMA_> That package will pull kde3 though.
[03:33] <nothlit> oh kde4
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[03:33] <nothlit> doh
[03:33] <nothlit> hmm
[03:33] <_MMA_> :)
[03:33] <nothlit> from what joejaxx has told me kde4 in gutsy is broken in the repos
[03:33] <nothlit> i would suggest suse, it has a dailies repo =p
[03:33] <kwwii> lol
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[03:36] <kwwii> from what I have heard it is installable although because it is still pre-beta is does not work perfectly
[03:36] <kwwii> and the plasmoids for the new kicker replacement are not really ready
[03:36] <_MMA_> Yeah. Im just looking to take it for a drive.
[03:36] <_MMA_> Hmm... http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live
[03:37] <kwwii> screw suse ;-)
[03:37] <_MMA_> :)
[03:38] <_MMA_> Well to try things out I dont mind.
[03:39] <_MMA_> Just anything .rpm-based drives me nuts. Though this is a old gripe.
[03:39] <kwwii> you can install just kde4, but I am not sure how
[03:41] <kwwii> 15:36 < stdin> same instructions for feisty except it in gutsy/universe not feisty-backports/universe
[03:42] <kwwii> now if I only knew how to update from feisty :p
[03:42] <_MMA_> Sure but those instructions still use Kubuntu as a base. If I remember right.
[03:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: Where's that wallpaper you were tinkering with? :)
[03:43] <kwwii> _MMA_: I'll tweak a few more things and send you something a bit later
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[03:43] <kwwii> bbiab
[03:43] <_MMA_> np
[03:46] <joejaxx> yeah kd4 is broken
[03:46] <joejaxx> kde4*
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[04:50] <kwwii> joejaxx: from what I have heard it works as well as it should for a pre-beta
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[04:51] <kwwii> bbl
[04:52] <nothlit> has kde4 been frozen in gutsy? kde.org says they're on their second beta
[04:53] <_MMA_> I dont know.
[04:53] <_MMA_> I will say that live disk was very broken.
[04:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: Still running Feisty? Wow. Lucky you. ;)
[04:56] <kwwii> ;-)
[05:52] <nothlit> lassegul: what happened?
[06:07] <lassegul> nothlit: oh, sorry, my mouse was heading towards the corners of the screen, just like old optical mouses(mice?) did. Couldnt figure out what was wrong.
[06:07] <lassegul> nothlit: so i rebooted.
[06:08] <nothlit> np
[06:09] <lassegul> its up again now.
[06:11] <lassegul> nothlit: have you done anything new and interesting since last time we spoke?
[06:11] <nothlit> i tweaked the gallery and created an example layout in the test deployment
[06:12] <nothlit> and got some more features working, like the text proposal now has an image thumbnail :)
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[06:43] <lapo> hi
[06:48] <lassegul> lapo: hi
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[07:46] <nothlit> https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/hardy/thumbnails/fire2.png
[07:51] <lapo> nothlit: fire? what for?
[07:51] <nothlit> orange and black :P
[07:51] <nothlit> organic primal theme
[07:51] <lapo> uhm... ok, but I'm not sure that fire (destruction) is something nice to communicate
[07:52] <nothlit> destruction? its life giving! anyways lol, only a thumbnail =p
[07:52] <lassegul> fire is one of humanitys greatest conquests.
[07:52] <lassegul> :)
[07:53] <lapo> true :-)
[07:53] <lapo> even penicillin, let's draw rotten fruits! :-)
[07:54] <lassegul> haha
[08:00] <andreasn> uh? fire so kick penicillins ass
[08:00] <andreasn> :)
[08:01] <lapo> eheh
[08:02] <andreasn> I'm not saying penicillin is a bad thing though
[08:02] <nothlit> the wheel wins imo
[08:05] <lapo> at least 4
[08:05] <lapo> let's use a ferrari then
[08:05] <lapo> it's "rosso corsa" so not exatly orange tho
[08:06] <nothlit> trademarked
[08:06] <lapo> oh fsck
[08:07] <lapo> what about naked people?
[08:07] <lapo> women possibly
[08:09] <lapo> _MMA_: is there an ubuntustudio beta downloadable somewhere?
[08:10] <_MMA_> lapo: We have dailies but the latest builds tasksel options are broken.
[08:10] <_MMA_> So I would wait till tomorrow as it _should_ be fixed then.
[08:10] <lapo> _MMA_: cool
[08:11] <lapo> _MMA_: are there isos downloadable or just torrents? (my fscking isp caps p2p)
[08:12] <troy_s> Hopefully the powers that be will avoid monochromatic.  Orange and black and ...
[08:12] <troy_s> at the very least.
[08:13] <_MMA_> lapo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/
[08:13] <lapo> cool thanks
[08:14] <lapo> tomorrow I'll download it
[08:14] <troy_s> it would probably be a bit of a sin to jettison brown altogether though.  ideally it would be lovely to keep an homage to the brown within the fresher take... but that is just 2 pennies.
[08:16] <lapo> I have no opinions yet
[08:16] <lapo> black is a bit of a trend latelly tho
[08:20] <kwwii> so, after talking to my friend who does *-look.org he suggest using something like www.ubuntu-art.org (which is also his site)
[08:21] <kwwii> troy_s: no worries I am sure we can have black and orange and light orange :p
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[08:21] <nothlit> oh lol
[08:21] <troy_s> kwwii: Exactly.  Lol.
[08:21] <nothlit> they got tired of all the ubuntu art filling up gnome-look huh?
[08:21] <troy_s> kwwii: Monochrome with the added new colour of BLACK!  Woop.
[08:21] <troy_s> lol
[08:22] <kwwii> actually, I was thinking about colors today...black, orange and yellow as primary with some lighter greens and blues for secondary colors
[08:23] <kwwii> I think that when sabdfl says black and orange he means that when he looks at the desktop and squints his eyes that is the impression he wants to get
[08:23] <nothlit> if theres a repository for 3rd part ubuntu art already, we don't really need to fill that gap i suppose
[08:23] <kwwii> that does not mean that we cannot or should not use other colors
[08:23] <troy_s> kwwii: If you keep with the homage -- the orange should probably deteriorate to a nice brown, then pull the compliment.  Analogous colours are all used in the logo -- which is one of the reasons it might be nice to avoid that orange (and the logo too, by matter of coincidence, is all analogous)
[08:23] <kwwii> there are a lot of places to use color
[08:24] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, that is why I never liked using the logo on the wallpaper
[08:24] <kwwii> I have purposely tried to stay away from brown though...not sure how well that will work in the end
[08:24] <troy_s> kwwii: It is a tricky goal as that blasted logo orange will almost always be assumed the orange.
[08:26] <troy_s> kwwii: By brown -- the most convincing hues that I suspect sabdfl (and perhaps you) are referring to for those gradients that deliver the vista black to 'gemlike' glows are analogous crawls -- as opposed to what many would assume are monochromatic gradients.  I would need to find an example to demo the hue shifts.
[08:26] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, when playing around I found that by desaturating it quite a bit and adding a good touch of green to the yellow things at least seemed different
[08:26] <troy_s> kwwii: Also, I wonder how much outcry there would be if the brown went poof with no trail.
[08:27] <kwwii> yeah, I can now see people screaming that they miss the brown twice as much as they screamed that the brown needs to go
[08:27] <troy_s> absolutely
[08:27] <troy_s> again -- the execution of brown has been beyond sub standard
[08:27] <troy_s> and as such, the brown complaints are almost certainly from the ineffective use of colour -- that nasty trench of monochromatic tones without even a decent level of value contrast.
[08:28] <troy_s> that said, I would say that brown has become the family, and it is something to consider with a less than fickle amount of attention.
[08:29] <troy_s> kwwii: And I do believe that if you read the evolution of the press re the brown -- you will see that most people have developed a very mature response to it, many times citing that the execution is flawed rather than the colour itself.
[08:33] <nothlit> the press has commented on the brown?
[08:41] <kwwii> yeah, people have come to see the brown as a good part of the branding
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[08:46] <troy_s> kwwii: http://imagebin.ca/view/MFFnbF.html
[08:46] <troy_s> kwwii: Extremely hastily done sample.
[08:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Going 'thru' brown can easily work -- and at the very least -- the non monochromatic gradients yield far superior results (even if my hasty quick attempt doesn't quite show it off as well as it should)
[08:47] <troy_s> top there obviously is a monochromatic grad.
[08:47] <troy_s> bottom goes through five hues
[08:48] <troy_s> with brown occupying a good percentage.
[08:50] <thorwil> troy_s: bottom looks more and brighter orange. top looks more brown to me overall
[08:50] <troy_s> thorwil: Well you would be wrong.
[08:51] <thorwil> troy_s: no i would not. it's my display and my perception ;)
[08:51] <troy_s> thorwil: The bottom actually uses a more standard paint cheat and in fact, uses a solid hue of brown.  The net result is that it sells that 'gem' gradient.
[08:52] <troy_s> thorwil: In this case, i would suggest not that your 'impression' of orange is wrong, but the simple fact that the top has no brown aside from what one might consider a value decreased orange (which doesn't look much like brown at all) whereas the bottom goes through a distinct hue of brown.
[08:53] <troy_s> (and some rather kludgy quick work between one of the steps of the gradient that I didn't bother to patch -- lol)
[08:54] <thorwil> troy_s: cool if you can keep a value decreased orange apart from brown. i surely can't
[08:54] <troy_s> it ends up a dirty orange.  to get closer to a brown you would need to twiddle that saturation and shift the hue a little more to red.
[08:56] <troy_s> and of course, the black isn't black in the lower one -- it is a completely valued and shifted deriv of the bronw.
[08:56] <troy_s> brown even.
[08:58] <thorwil> troy_s: you should sample some values with the colour picker. you will see there's not that much difference in the upper parts
[09:00] <thorwil> troy_s: and if you put the lower image above the upper and set layer mode to difference, you will see the difference is on the bottom, and most is almost black (=subtle difference)
[09:00] <thorwil> troy_s: so sorry, but i think you have been mislead by what you would like to see
[09:01] <troy_s> lol
[09:07] <kwwii> re
[09:07] <kwwii> troy_s: man, that is really close to the colors that I used in the mobile stuff
[09:07] <kwwii> and exactly where we want to go I think
[09:07] <troy_s> kwwii: I would try to flip the highlight to the exact compliment
[09:08] <troy_s> but it is damn tricky guessing with the wheel.
[09:08] <kwwii> add a nice lighter green and blue series for some text, etc and it would be awesome
[09:08] <kwwii> I was playing with agave but that seems pretty ahrd
[09:08] <kwwii> hard
[09:08] <troy_s> kwwii: Well yeah... there was some work a while ago that I was using as the basis for an Ubuntu "nox"
[09:08] <troy_s> let me see if I can find it again...
[09:08] <troy_s> it is pretty simple colour theory -- the gem orange and  a gem blue.
[09:09] <troy_s> let me pull the pic from the designers site
[09:10] <nothlit> `/win 35
[09:10] <troy_s> kwwii: http://workforfood.nu -- the guy is quite brilliant.  Novo Marea
[09:10] <troy_s> kwwii: Scroll down -- great use of compliments and some very good work with the hue shifts.
[09:11] <nothlit> best site ever ^ everybody go see =p
[09:11] <lassegul> wow.
[09:11] <kwwii> I waas amazed when doing the mobile stuff how well a greenish yellow worked with the orange to red-brown
[09:11] <troy_s> there is some interesting work in the deep of the "Chip Dance" campaign -- notably the use of clouds in the deep bg.
[09:12] <kwwii> oh wow, that is amazing
[09:12] <lassegul> what about the Kaiser one? I like that one.
[09:12] <troy_s> lassegul: As I said, he has done some amazing work.  That said, when kwwii was suggesting the black depth to orange, the Nox idea came back quickly.
[09:13] <troy_s> and the reference material for that -- of which this was one of the elements I could remember.
[09:13] <troy_s> and there are some pretty radical hue shifts in the 'orange feel' on those
[09:13] <kwwii> watching this distro upgrade tool run is simply too much stress for me
[09:13] <kwwii> yeah, very nice and subtle work
[09:13] <kwwii> that shows what you can really do with color
[09:14] <troy_s> my worry is that sabdfl is thinking vista
[09:14] <lassegul> that would be bad.
[09:14] <troy_s> as in the vista gem tone on everything.
[09:14] <kwwii> oh, I realized when doing the mobile stuff that he has little understanding of color
[09:15] <kwwii> we kinda got into a fight about that and I showed him where he was wrong, so he stopped commenting and in the end he was happy with the result
[09:15] <kwwii> heck, I realized that I still have a lot to learn about the subtle interactions of color
[09:16] <nothlit> did you sample colours directly from that ad?
[09:16] <troy_s> nothlit: ?
[09:16] <troy_s> nothlit: For mobile?
[09:17] <nothlit> yeah
[09:18] <kwwii> I never saw that page before
[09:18] <kwwii> but looking at it I realize that I want to use some of that as examples for Harddy
[09:19] <kwwii> Hardy
[09:19] <kwwii> the Hardy Hard-on
[09:19] <kwwii> oops. did I say that out loud?
[09:19] <kwwii> Hardy Har-Har
[09:20] <_MMA_> :D
[09:21] <troy_s> kwwii: I think he was referring to the page rip sabdfl shipped.
[09:22] <kwwii> ahhh, now I get it
[09:23] <kwwii> nothlit: I tried to sample a bit but found that that did not work and ended up playing with slight variations
[09:23] <kwwii> the stuff I sampled sabdfl did not like
[09:23] <kwwii> neither did I really
[09:23] <kwwii> but it was really hard to discuss it with him
[09:23] <kwwii> so I just did what I thought was best and pushed it through, in the end it worked well
[09:26] <kwwii> I see Hardy as the first chance to really change things, if we can only learn to do it in the right way
[09:27] <kwwii> I had hoped to do more for Gutsy but was proven wrong by extra work and simply not knowing how to go about it without pissing on you-know-who
[09:28] <andreasn> voldemort? :)
[09:28] <andreasn> ;)
[09:28] <kwwii> lol, exactly
[09:29] <kwwii> " old voldemort has been giving me hell again"
[09:29] <kwwii> that will be the secret phrase for "don't blame me"
[09:30] <nothlit> oh lol, you know who was intentional
[09:36] <kwwii> and "running in place" is the secret phrase for intel
[09:36] <joejaxx> lol
[09:36] <kwwii> I have never seen a company that can put so many people on a project and get nothing done other than covering each other's asses
[09:37] <nothlit> what about the government
[09:38] <kwwii> nothlit: the government does not have enough money to put that many people on one project
[09:38] <nothlit> ehem, iraq
[09:38] <kwwii> worst of all, the boss of them all is a old friend of mine and when I told him that he basically told me that "this is standard working practice"
[09:39] <kwwii> no wonder he officialy quit kde when he started at intel
[09:39] <kwwii> god forbid any of that rubs off
[09:40] <thorwil> butterflies as palette source? http://www.thurisblumenau.ch/images/content/Schmetterling-2_gelb-schwarz.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/b/bc/Admiral_(schmetterling).jpg/300px-Admiral_(schmetterling).jpg  http://www.steiniges.net/4images/data/media/42/Schmetterling%20-%20kleiner%20Fuchs.jpg
[09:41] <kwwii> thorwil: nicht schlecht - gute anfang
[09:42] <thorwil> :)
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[09:46] <thorwil> heh, i have fans: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=563909
[09:46] <thorwil> and shortly after i read about the new orange/black direction ...
[09:48] <kwwii> you gotta love that forum
[09:48] <_MMA_> No I dont.
[09:49] <_MMA_> ;)
[09:49] <nothlit> thorwil: thats pretty snazzy
[09:49] <thorwil> nothlit: thanks!
[09:51] <kwwii> _MMA_: yes you do or they will roast you
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[09:53] <kwwii> maybe we should just have a wallpaper with #202020 and a big white text saying "click here to select a wallpaper"
[09:53] <robin> prew
[09:54] <thorwil> kwwii: cue complaints about the default back and text colour ... :)
[09:54] <kwwii> thorwil: and the font and wallpaper selection tool, and, and, and
[09:56] <kwwii> I wish we could somehow create a set of SVGs which one could change the palette of without breaking things and then have a selection box during install asking "which of these colors do you like the most?"
[09:56] <nothlit> should be scriptable
[09:56] <kwwii> I should make a spec for that
[09:57] <kwwii> "what is your favorite color" selector at installation
[10:00] <thorwil> doesn't sit well with keeping interaction on installing straight to the point. and with all the colours needed for icons and such, it's too hard to make the base colour selectable and still make everything look good in context. i think.
[10:01] <kwwii> that is why you could only offer a selection of colors and not just any color
[10:01] <kwwii> but if we had a good full palette and a whole system of scripts and SVGs to do it the right way it could possibly work
[10:01] <kwwii> but it would be a butt-load of work
[10:02] <kwwii> and updating it every release would be hell
[10:02] <kwwii> and funny enough we would still get lots of complaints
[10:03] <kwwii> even if we asked 10 very specific questions people would complain because most do not really know exactly what they wnat
[10:04] <thorwil> but they'll know when they see it ;)
[10:05] <vorticon> does anyone know how to play .ram files under ubuntu?
[10:05] <nothlit> ubotu: tell vorticon about restricted
[10:05] <vorticon> ah :)
[10:06] <kwwii> download mplayer sources and ./configure, make, make install
[10:06] <nothlit> nah you still need w32codecs
[10:06] <kwwii> ubotu: hello?
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <kwwii> ubotu: restricted codecs
[10:06] <kwwii> lol
[10:06] <nothlit> kwwii: tell uses a pm
[10:07] <kwwii> yeah just saw that
[10:07] <thorwil> good night!
[10:07] <kwwii> night
[10:07] <kwwii> ubotu: restricted
[10:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
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