[02:43] <osmosis> zul: yah, i was missing the hypervisor package, which was blocking update-grub of course.  Now im booted on gutsy amd64 xen.
[02:44] <zul> sweet..
[02:44] <zul> ill try to get an amd64-server package this weekend
[02:44] <osmosis> zul: im gonna try and stay with gutsy for a bit. See how stable it is.
[02:44] <zul> osmosis: sure 
[02:45] <osmosis> zul: just watch out for the xenman package...it installs a world of gnome.
[02:46] <osmosis> gotta go, talk to you later
[02:56] <zul> hah hah leafs suck
[05:36] <lifeless> ooh shiny new ipw2200 patch
[06:24] <tzanger> good evening... can someone tell me where I might up-to-date information on how udev works?  /sbin/hotplug isn't the way anymore, but that's how the udev documentation says it is :-(
[06:31] <mdomsch> tzanger, there's a udevd that listens on a netlink socket for the kernel to send messages on events
[06:32] <tzanger> hmm
[06:33] <tzanger> is there any good documentation about it?
[06:37] <tzanger> http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~mark/random/hal/
[06:37] <tzanger> that's about the best I've found so far
[06:38] <mdomsch> the udev docs themselves and manpages are pretty good
[06:39] <mdomsch> and the authors are good at responding to good questions by email to linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
[06:39] <tzanger> actually the udev docs are out of date as far as I can tell
[06:39] <tzanger> the ones off of kernel.org anyway
[06:39] <tzanger> http://vrfy.org/log/recent-state-of-udev.html
[06:39] <tzanger> there we go, from the man who wrote udevd
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[04:07] <mantiena-baltix> hi all
[04:15] <mantiena-baltix> Did someone noticed, that I/O in Gutsy LiveCD works really slower than in Feisty's ? I think it's squashfs bugs, but I'm not 100% sure
[04:16] <timbba> Hey again... :)
[04:17] <timbba> I was here... was it yesterday or day before? But anyway: about the issue of usb after suspend..
[04:18] <timbba> I bought wlan usb stick and that one works after suspend, but not the usb receiver of wireless combo keyboard/mouse
[04:18] <timbba> Ok.. so something is maybe weird about those inputs after suspend?
[04:19] <timbba> Does anyone know any trick what might be tried to refresh the input devices after suspend?
[04:21] <timbba> I think nobody even remember, what I was talking about earlier... so briefly: my wireless usb keyboard/mouse doesn't work after suspend.. The only way to get it working is to take the receiver from usb port and replug it
[04:21] <timbba> Am I here all alone talking :)?
[04:23] <sbalneav> Hello all
[04:24] <sbalneav> Im doing gutsy development, and I'm running into a real show stopper issue.  ogra sugegsted posting here.
[04:25] <sbalneav> My workstations are VIA EDEN EPIA 5000 mobos, 550mhz, 512 meg of ram.
[04:25] <sbalneav> I'm getting intermittent USB mouse dropouts
[04:25] <sbalneav> optical mice.
[04:25] <sbalneav> User's functioning normally, then:
[04:25] <sbalneav> light goes out on the mouse.
[04:26] <sbalneav> dmesg keeps reporting:
[04:26] <sbalneav> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[04:26] <sbalneav> unplugging and re-plugging mouse doesn't fixit
[04:26] <sbalneav> restarting udev doesn't fix it
[04:27] <sbalneav> manually rmmoding usb-core and the hid drivers doesn't fix it.
[04:27] <sbalneav> Any ideas?
[04:27] <sbalneav> latest gutsy kernel, btw
[04:28] <zul> modprobe -r ehci-hci?
[04:28] <timbba> Yuhuu? Any ideas for my bug?
[04:29] <zul> sbalneav: you might want to try usbmon to see whats happening as well
[04:31] <timbba> Hey come on guys, I know that you are more skillful than I am.. some suggestions at least? :)
[04:31] <sbalneav> ok
[04:32] <sbalneav> I'll go and see if I can get a failure to occur
[04:36] <timbba> Noone?
[04:39] <timbba> oh.. I'm little disappointed that noone is not even answering anything..
[04:40] <zul> timbba: most kernel-devs are getting things for release so they are a little busy
[04:40] <timbba> ok :)
[04:42] <zul> so either wait patiently for an answer of come back later
[04:42] <zul> or best bet to get support go to #ubuntu
[04:42] <timbba> ok, I'll try #ubuntu channel..
[04:47] <timbba> too busy in that channel.. so maybe I have to just wait someone to see my post here :)
[05:32] <mikelake> hey all..I'm having this issue of my usb mouse temporarily freezing up for a second or two every minute
[05:33] <mikelake> it happens on feisty and I just tried it on the beta releaaaaaaaaaaase of gutsy
[05:34] <mikelake> yes, that's another problem - if i'm typing while the usb has its little freeze(i have usb keyboard), whatever letter i'm typing gets repeated for the duration
[05:35] <bdmurray> what happened with Gutsy?
[05:36] <mikelake> same thing
[05:36] <mikelake> it's like something is polling the usb devices every minute
[05:39] <mikelake> I think I tried udevmonitor once, and when it came around to that point of pausing, the program output looked like it was removing then adding the device(my keboard)
[05:40] <mikelake> bdmurray: I suppose you're brian murray?
[05:41] <bdmurray> mikelake: Sure enough
[05:41] <mikelake> i'm "mister_lake" in this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/84762
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84762 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Feisty: usb mouse stops working" [Medium,Triaged]  
[05:44] <bdmurray> mikelake: Have you tried the Beta of Gutsy?
[05:45] <mikelake> yes, I tried the live cd BETA of gutsy and I still get the same problem
[05:46] <mikelake> err wait..
[05:47] <mikelake> I got the daily build live cd from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20071003/
[05:49] <mikelake> I was going to get this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/   but I didn't want to download the entire 4 gig dvd
[05:49] <mikelake> is the live CD not as up to date as the live DVD ?
[05:50] <bdmurray> The Live CD should be fine.  In that bug report you mentioned I was talking about disabling USB autosuspend.  I believe that should be disabled in the latest Live CD.
[05:52] <mikelake> bdmurray: I saw that in the bug report and I tried it in the live cd, still didn't work
[05:53] <cjwatson> yesterday's live CD wasn't up to date at all, due to some internal breakage
[05:53] <cjwatson> it was functionally about the same as beta
[05:53] <cjwatson> we fixed that this morning
[05:53] <bdmurray> I think the usbautosuspend patch should have been in the beta
[05:54] <mjg59> Yes
[05:54] <bdmurray> So mikelake we've reached the limit of my knownledge
[05:55] <mikelake> bdmurray: here's what I get in the udev http://pastie.caboo.se/103755
[05:55] <mikelake> all those add/removes occur on one "pause" which happens about every minute
[05:55] <bdmurray> Right and I saw this in your dmesg:
[05:56] <bdmurray> usb 5-2.4: reset low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[05:57] <mikelake> so you're sure that's the autosuspend and not gnome-volume-manager or something else polling the USB devices?
[05:58] <bdmurray> No, I think we have eliminated autosuspend being the issue and it is something else
[05:58] <bdmurray> But what that exact kernel message means I do not know
[05:59] <mikelake> what about stuff in  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:59] <mikelake> blacklist usbmouse
[06:00] <mjg59> That's the hidbp driver, not the hid driver
[06:01] <mikelake> is there some debugging somewhere that I can turn on to get more details?
[06:02] <mikelake> or, heh, i don't know if this is absurd or not, but is there possibly a way to grab the Dapper kernel and use it in feisty? (since I didn't have problems with dapper)
[06:03] <lamont> mikelake: udev and the kernel tend to want lockstep upgrades...  it _MIGHT_ work
[06:03] <lamont> I have successfully used a gutsy kernel on dapper machiens
[06:03] <lamont> never even considered going the other way
[06:04] <mikelake> I'd be willing to try that..
[06:05] <timbba> ok, now there is some talking :) Does anyone know a fix solution for my issue? Also related to usb, but after suspend.. 
[06:06] <timbba> I'm using Feisty and usb wlan stick works after suspend, but the wireless receiver for keyboard/mouse doesn't... Something maybe related to input devices instead of just usb?
[06:07] <bdmurray> timbba: It would be most helpful if you could test with Gutsy.
[06:08] <timbba> I have vdr compiled to Feisty so that is not so easy to move to Gutsy or is it?
[06:08] <bdmurray> Could you just test using the Live CD?
[06:09] <mikelake> bdmurray: just point me in the right direction for getting to get a Dapper kernel - can I just add the dapper repository and select the dapper kernels from synaptic package manager?
[06:09] <bdmurray> mikelake: I have no idea how to do that.
[06:10] <timbba> Yeah, maybe I can but that doesn't fix the issue.. then I have to do the compilation once again if it works (which is huge procedure)... So is there a fix for Feisty?
[06:11] <timbba> By the way: I tested backported Gutsy kernel in Feisty, but that didn't help
[06:15] <timbba> Is there a way to "refresh" input devices with some code? That one can be tried, but I don't know how :)
[06:15] <mjg59> timbba: Have you got a bug number?
[06:16] <timbba> because at least those input and event numbers changes after suspend... No I don't have any bug number of that
[06:16] <mjg59> timbba: Ok. Could you file a bug and attach the output of the dmesg command after a suspend?
[06:18] <timbba> Ok... I can try, I have never reported bugs :)
[06:19] <mjg59> http://launchpad.net/bugs
[06:19] <mjg59> Click on the "Report a bug" button
[06:22] <timbba> Yeah, seems to be quite simple.. I will report a bug, when I can because my girlfriend is using the machine right now (watches television)... I'll get back to you, when the bug is reported.
[06:23] <mjg59> Ok, thanks
[06:23] <mantiena-baltix> Did someone noticed, that I/O in Gutsy LiveCD works really slower than in Feisty's ? I think it's squashfs bugs, but I'm not 100% sure
[06:28] <mikelake> I'm going to reboot with the old kernel...wish me luck!
[07:03] <mikelake> no dice
[07:04] <mikelake> couldn't even run the old kernel got the kernel panic VFS not-syncing thing
[07:18] <Kmos> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/109705
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109705 in linux "Lack of included support for xpad (xbox 360 joypad)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  
[07:19] <Kmos> isn't this on gutsy kernel ?
[07:20] <zul> Kmos: yes
[07:27] <bdmurray> What does it mean if someone has to boot with all_generic_ide?
[07:33] <zul> bdmurray: MODULE_PARM_DESC(all_generic_ide, "IDE generic will claim all unknown PCI IDE storage controllers.");
[07:34] <bdmurray> zul: So there is not a specific match for the PCI ID of their storage controller then?
[07:35] <zul> bdmurray: i dont think so
[07:35] <zul> er thats probably correct if you are talking things like sata sil
[07:37] <bdmurray> looks like it Silicon Image Sil3112 SATA controller and an Adaptec controller
[07:37] <zul> yeah i think saw that bug last night
[07:38] <bdmurray> bug 146287
[07:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146287 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel 2.6.22 fails to mount hard drives, drops to busybox" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146287
[07:42] <Kmos> zul: nice =)
[07:43] <zul> bdmurray: when i was looking at it, there isnt anything about the sil3112 in the linux-ide ml last night (ie: patch or anything)
[08:29] <osmosis> zul: so you've seen some xen amd65 oopses ?
[08:30] <zul> osmosis: er no
[08:30] <osmosis> zul: amd64 even ?
[08:30] <zul> not that even :)
[08:30] <osmosis> zul: any specific tests you want me to run to test  amd64 gutsy xen ?
[08:31] <zul> osmosis: please open a bug report in launchpad im at work at the momment if there is an oops
[08:31] <zul> or even send me an email
[08:31] <osmosis> zul: just making chat
[08:31] <zul> osmosis: cant chat right now sorry
[08:31] <osmosis> zul: ill let you know if there are any issues
[08:31] <zul> ok thanks
[09:05] <zul> muhahaha http://xenbits.xensource.com/paravirt_ops/patches.hg/file/a43ec966d62f/xen-dom0-boot.patch
[09:07] <osmosis> zul: whats that
[09:07] <zul> dom0 with paravirt-ops xen
[09:08] <osmosis> cool
[10:54] <lamont> is someone already fixing the ia64 -13.40 ftbfs?
[10:55] <mjg59> Looks like vesafb was flagged as supporting ia64, which looks wrong
[10:55] <kylem> +1 mjg59
[11:04] <Lutin> any chance that somebody can possibly look at bug #129910 ?
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[11:08] <lamont> mjg59/kylem: let me rephrase that... do I need to make a patch, or is one of you two (or someone else entirely) doing that?
[11:08] <kylem> i patched it.
[11:11] <lamont> thanks