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| dholbach | good morning | 07:53 |
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| dholbach | HappyCamp: did you get http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/moblin-chat.debdiff ? | 10:45 |
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| mdz | HappyCamp_laptop: <dholbach> HappyCamp: did you get http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/moblin-chat.debdiff ? | 05:55 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | mdz I did get one last week. | 05:56 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | and applied it to our version. | 05:56 |
| === agoliveira would love if HappyCamp choose one nick only :) | ||
| === HappyCamp_laptop is logged in multiple places :) | ||
| HappyCamp_laptop | mdz but I had not seen that patch. I will apply it to our version. | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: .. says the man who changes nick for lunch or when he's away? ;-P | 05:57 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: at least anyone can tell if I'm on my chair or not just looking at it ;) | 05:58 |
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| HappyCamp_laptop | Speaking of laptops. I'm supposed to get my old, old Thinkpad T40 replaced with a T61. Yeah for me :) | 05:58 |
| benj3one | where would I find people knowledgeable about running linux on a razr | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | asac,StevenK,amitk: Around for meeting in one? | 05:59 |
| amitk | yup | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: ship me the old one? ;-) | 05:59 |
| asac | yes | 05:59 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | LOL. They take them away from us. | 05:59 |
| benj3one | Motorola razr* | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: bad people! | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | benj3one: we are not initally targetting phones at all, so I don't think we can help you, sorry. | 05:59 |
| amitk | benj3one: motorola? :-p | 05:59 |
| benj3one | I am aware of the project goals | 06:00 |
| benj3one | Looking for another project, thought being in the biz you might know | 06:00 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | 9:00 am here in Oregon | 06:00 |
| benj3one | I hope you do eventually consider smart phones though.. | 06:01 |
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| Mithrandir | benj3one: we might well do, yes. | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | davidm: you around as well? Mobile meeting | 06:02 |
| davidm | Yes | 06:02 |
| mawahlen | Mauri joined | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | hi Mauri, Don | 06:02 |
| Don_Johnson | Good Morning | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | kwwii: you around too? | 06:02 |
| === agoliveira waves everyone feeling good for the sunny day after a week of rain :) | ||
| === lool waves to all attendees and takes the opportunity to announce that I'll work with the Mobile team at Canonical part of my time | ||
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| kwwii | Mithrandir: yepp | 06:03 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: ready to kick things off? | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | we're still missing Charlie it seems? | 06:04 |
| mawahlen | Is Rusty, Carl, Todd, John here? | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | Don_Johnson: do you know where Charlie is? | 06:04 |
| ToddBrandt | here | 06:04 |
| cwong1 | here | 06:04 |
| Don_Johnson | Charlie is looking over my shoulder. | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | ok, good | 06:05 |
| bspencer | Charlie... where are you!? | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | let's start then | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | #startmeeting | 06:05 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | John here (wanted to get on MootBot's attendance list) :) | 06:05 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:05. The chair is Mithrandir. | 06:05 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] | 06:05 |
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| Mithrandir | welcome everybody, today's schedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | it's just the stock one + an introduction of new team members; does anybody have any more agenda items? | 06:05 |
| mdz | perhaps one | 06:06 |
| mdz | would it be useful to do an explicit update regarding the status of the current breakage in the daily build? | 06:06 |
| ian_brasil | me too | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: good idea. | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | ian_brasil: what do you have? | 06:07 |
| agoliveira | Yellow fever? | 06:07 |
| agoliveira | Sorry :) | 06:07 |
| ian_brasil | team reports ...it would help a lot jkeeping track of things | 06:07 |
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| mdz | ian_brasil: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports ? | 06:08 |
| ian_brasil | yes | 06:08 |
| Mithrandir | ok, I'll add both to the agenda | 06:08 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] Introductions | 06:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Introductions | 06:09 |
| Mithrandir | we have a few new starters this week: David Mandala who is joining us as the project manager | 06:09 |
| davidm | Hello all | 06:09 |
| bspencer | curious .. what is a project manager's role ? | 06:10 |
| mdz | davidm will be taking over for me in managing the engineering team for Ubuntu Mobile | 06:10 |
| mdz | I've been brain-dumping with him this week | 06:10 |
| Mithrandir | Steven Kowalik who's joining us full-time working on mobile and Loc Minier, who will be working 50/50 on desktop and mobile. | 06:10 |
| Mithrandir | this should make me less of a SPOF than I've been in the past too. | 06:10 |
| mdz | I'll remain involved through the transition, but he will become the point of contact for the work Canonical is doing | 06:10 |
| dholbach | welcome davidm, StevenK and lool :) | 06:11 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Maybe would be good to explain where they are based so people can have an idea of times around. | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: indeed. | 06:11 |
| mdz | davidm is currently in London with me, but usually based in Texas | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK is based in Sydney, .au, lool is in France. | 06:11 |
| amitk | welcome davidm, StevenK, lool | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | so StevenK either won't be attending the meetings or we will have to rotate them a bit so they don't hit him at 0200 each week. | 06:11 |
| agoliveira | As if we geeks go to bed early :) | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: some of us do. ;-) | 06:12 |
| seb128 | agoliveira: your hildon evince patches create a bug on the non hildon version, bug #146458 | 06:12 |
| mdz | StevenK: are you here? | 06:12 |
| seb128 | could you look into it? | 06:12 |
| agoliveira | Sissy :) | 06:12 |
| agoliveira | seb128: I've seen it. Thanks. | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | any questions for the new starters? | 06:13 |
| seb128 | ups, middle of a meeting, sorry guys | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: np | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | ok, moving on | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | as we don't seem to have any action items from the last meeting(!), we'll skip that item | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | and then move on to status reports | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] Status reports | 06:14 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Status reports | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | the only one I haven't seen sent to the list is the one for browser | 06:14 |
| mdz | don't you mean [TOPIC] ? | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | uh, yes | 06:15 |
| cwong1 | its been sent | 06:15 |
| Mithrandir | oh, it's there now. | 06:15 |
| bspencer | :) | 06:15 |
| cwong1 | I sent to the wrong email address at first | 06:15 |
| cwong1 | :( | 06:15 |
| Mithrandir | could you guys in the western US please send them on Wednesday evening so they're there a bit before two minutes before the meeting starts? | 06:15 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | I sent mine :) 10 minutes before the meeting. | 06:16 |
| bspencer | but we do most of our work Wednesday evening | 06:16 |
| asac | for browser, i will start to bake a release later tonight ... so probably we get a new upload tomorrow. | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | asac: yay | 06:16 |
| mawahlen | Mithrandir: yes, they can send them the night before, I'll remind them | 06:16 |
| asac | cwong1: any news on gconf network settings? from what i know the code is already there | 06:16 |
| Don_Johnson | I'll try for Wed evening in the future | 06:16 |
| bspencer | asac, cwong1 you guys have special needs wrt the theme, right? | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] status reports | 06:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: status reports | 06:17 |
| asac | bspencer: i think i just need to replace the arrow displayed for nested menus ... because that one is not taken from native theme | 06:17 |
| Mithrandir | Don_Johnson,mawahlen: thanks. | 06:17 |
| bspencer | your drop-down menu uses Hildon theme elements? | 06:17 |
| asac | bspencer: for me it looks pretty much alike ... e.g. blue border et al | 06:17 |
| bspencer | k. that's great | 06:18 |
| cwong1 | asac: we can chat about gconf offline | 06:18 |
| asac | cwong1: online, but in other channel ... yes. | 06:19 |
| cwong1 | yes | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | any more questions about the status reports? | 06:20 |
| mdz | bspencer: is there an ETA on getting the media player into gutsy? | 06:20 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir, I saw you said OK to libclutter. Any ETA on when they will arrive? | 06:20 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: today or tomorrow. | 06:20 |
| bspencer | mdz, hm, I thought it was already in ubuntu-staging fset. | 06:20 |
| bspencer | mdz, at least the package could be added. But we would like to not freeze the code until mid-next week | 06:21 |
| bspencer | (if possible :-\ ) | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: mjg59 is working on that and a kernel bug this week, I'll check with him | 06:21 |
| mdz | shouldn't be any need to wait for a freeze to do an initial drop, so we can review the packaging and get it into the archive | 06:21 |
| bspencer | right. I think we're ready for that from our end. | 06:22 |
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| mdz | I would also like to note that we are in an increasingly deep freeze for ubuntu 7.10 | 06:22 |
| mdz | while this shouldn't affect development on mobile-specific components too much, changes to shared components will be scrutinized | 06:22 |
| mdz | the release goes out on the 18th, after which things will soften again | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | I think we can have moblin-media in tomorrow; mjg59 has been busy with a kernel problem. | 06:24 |
| mjg59 | Yes, it'll go in tomorrow assuming nothing goes wrong | 06:24 |
| mawahlen | bspencer: anything we need to do on our side for the Media Player opposed to making sure it's in the staging fset? | 06:25 |
| Mithrandir | mawahlen: for most apps, HappyCamp_laptop should be pushing them through the sponsorship mechanism. | 06:25 |
| bspencer | mawahlen, make sure it builds | 06:25 |
| mawahlen | bspencer: do you own that? | 06:25 |
| bspencer | mawahlen, co-own, yes. | 06:25 |
| bspencer | if it breaks I holler at people | 06:26 |
| bspencer | does that mean I own it? | 06:26 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Please let me know if there are packages that we need to push into Ubuntu. So I can work on getting them pushed in. | 06:26 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: "anything in the ubuntu staging fset" | 06:26 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Okay. I will work on those then. | 06:26 |
| mawahlen | bspencer: I want to make sure that we meet Gutsy dates. | 06:27 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: but please just drop me a question before you push stuff so we make sure it's not being worked on already; like mjg59 is poking moblin-media. | 06:27 |
| bspencer | mawahlen, absolutely. I don't know of any new packages that need to go into gutsy (except media player, which I thought was already in process) | 06:27 |
| bspencer | mawahlen, the new "kwwii UI" will be based on an existig package | 06:28 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Mithrandir: ok | 06:28 |
| Mithrandir | the same goes for updated versions; we want to have up to date packages in Ubuntu; don't be afraid to push packages early and often. | 06:28 |
| mdz | agreed | 06:29 |
| Mithrandir | moving on | 06:29 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] Status update on broken daily builds | 06:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status update on broken daily builds | 06:30 |
| Mithrandir | as you probably know, the daily builds have been broken for quite a while due to kernel bugs. | 06:30 |
| Mithrandir | I was promised a kernel upload last Friday which didn't happen; kernel freeze is today and we are having a new kernel today. | 06:30 |
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| Mithrandir | so assuming that builds and works, we'll have working images tomorrow. | 06:31 |
| mdz | the kernel from ~amitk got me up and running | 06:31 |
| agoliveira | Same here | 06:31 |
| mdz | I would like to do a brief post-mortem if we could, and find out how we ended up in this position so that we can avoid it in the future | 06:31 |
| mdz | we know that it takes a long time to push a new kernel update through during crunch time (like now), so we want to get it right the first time if possible | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | as you've seen on the mailing list, we're talking about how to prevent this from happening in the future, so we'll discuss this at the developer summit in a couple of weeks. | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | I think the main problem was nobody had actually tested the lpia kernel on a mobile device. | 06:32 |
| mdz | amitk: did a new kernel get released from git before you had a chance to test it on MID? | 06:32 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | speaking of the kernel. How will I specify the lpiacompat kernel in our FSET? | 06:33 |
| amitk | mdz: It did. With the unionfs changes. | 06:33 |
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| mdz | amitk: in the long term, do you think it's sufficient to insert ourselves in that process and require MID testing before an upload is made, or might we need to maintain a separate kernel tree? | 06:34 |
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| amitk | mdz: requiring MID testing is an easy and cheap solution - all it requires is a .deb package being tested on real HW; few hours at most. | 06:35 |
| mdz | amitk: you'll take that up with BenC then? | 06:35 |
| amitk | maintaining a separate tree is _expensive_, though there are benefits of faster turn around time for hotfixes | 06:36 |
| Mithrandir | I'd also like us to consider lpia a first class citizen, so if stuff's completely broken there, we do a new upload, even if it's not needed for other arches. | 06:36 |
| amitk | mdz: it is on the UDS agenda, so all stakeholders should be present | 06:37 |
| mdz | amitk: great, thanks | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | the kernel upload has actually already happened, btw. | 06:37 |
| amitk | Mithrandir: no one is treating lpia as a second class citizen, the problem is there are too many first class citizens :/ | 06:37 |
| agoliveira | amitk: You should go to politics :) | 06:38 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: if i386 hadn't booted at all with usplash enabled because CONFIG_VM86 hadn't been turned on, I'm sure it would not have taken this long to get a fixed kernel in. | 06:38 |
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| amitk | Mithrandir: I think the problem was the sudden turning ON of lpia for MIC builds. It caught atleast me unaware. | 06:39 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: I'm not trying to point fingers here; I'm just trying to explain what I mean by second class citizen. | 06:39 |
| amitk | Mithrandir: I know... neither am I :) | 06:40 |
| Mithrandir | as for switching; it had to happen at some point. | 06:40 |
| Mithrandir | I guess the lesson is to do those kind of changes as early as possible. | 06:40 |
| mdz | amitk: it happened more or less according to the schedule | 06:40 |
| mdz | though it was not on the schedule very far in advance | 06:41 |
| Mithrandir | but it was the plan to switch at some point from the very beginning | 06:41 |
| mdz | yes | 06:41 |
| Mithrandir | so the timing might have caught people unaware, but the fact we were to switch shouldn't have. | 06:42 |
| Mithrandir | I don't think there's much more to be said about this; should we move on? | 06:42 |
| amitk | mdz: perhaps, but I was still caught unaware. One day we were using UME/i386, the next people were screaming about LPIA - VM86, etc. | 06:42 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: ok with me | 06:42 |
| amitk | ok with me | 06:42 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] Team reporting | 06:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Team reporting | 06:43 |
| Mithrandir | ian_brasil: your topic | 06:43 |
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| ian_brasil | ok...i think team reports would help a lot | 06:43 |
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| ian_brasil | it is hard keeping track of things | 06:44 |
| ian_brasil | so this idea is rwally good IMHO | 06:44 |
| ian_brasil | i created the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage | 06:45 |
| ian_brasil | and then up to 22 of the month for simple 1/2 line reports with links | 06:45 |
| Mithrandir | it requires a person to take the lead on it | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | are you volunteering for that role? | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage | 06:46 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage | 06:46 |
| ian_brasil | well it would help me a lot with the guide so if no one else is up for it i can do it yes | 06:46 |
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| Mithrandir | I think the job would mostly consist of prodding people into putting some text on the page | 06:47 |
| mdz | ian_brasil: perhaps folks could add their status reports there instead of posting to the mailing list, and you could aggregate and submit them? | 06:48 |
| mdz | or s/instead of/in addition to/ | 06:48 |
| ian_brasil | sounds ok to me | 06:49 |
| bspencer | the difficult part is getting something that is not "write-only" | 06:49 |
| ian_brasil | and as long as people don't get to annoyed with me hassling them all the time! | 06:49 |
| bspencer | what are we trying to fix. | 06:49 |
| bspencer | I don't mind sending the duplicate email. If it helps, lets do it. Is there a missing link in communication? | 06:50 |
| ian_brasil | one central location for mobile work rather than digging through mail lists , irc logs etc | 06:50 |
| bspencer | k. let's try it | 06:51 |
| mdz | bspencer: we're trying to better inform people who aren't (yet?) directly involved in the mobile project | 06:52 |
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| mdz | bspencer: this is a good way to get more visibility for our work, and attract more people to participate | 06:52 |
| mdz | by tying into the existing community team reporting infrastructure, we get included in existing communications channels | 06:53 |
| kyleN | perhaps folks should take it on themselves to update the wiki and perhaps email the list when they have and remove ian_brasil from having to nag them and etc. | 06:54 |
| Mithrandir | experience shows that you need to have a person responsible | 06:54 |
| Mithrandir | and since nobody else volunteers, ian_brasil it is. :-) | 06:54 |
| Mithrandir | anybody got any more agenda items? | 06:54 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | I had a question | 06:54 |
| mdz | nothing from me | 06:54 |
| agoliveira | Yes, I do have one question. | 06:55 |
| kwwii | we could talk about themeing | 06:55 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | speaking of the kernel. How will I specify the lpiacompat kernel in our FSET? | 06:55 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | I guess that could be offline though. | 06:55 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: if we can take that later, that'd be good | 06:55 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | okay. | 06:55 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: shoot | 06:55 |
| agoliveira | Does anyone have any news about the tests with gecko 1.9 that I think Intel have being doing some time ago? | 06:56 |
| bspencer | I don't know of formal testing of any sort | 06:56 |
| bspencer | we heard there was a nice magnification feature in gecko 1.9 | 06:56 |
| agoliveira | I couldn't dig the exact person who sent an email about it ages ago. | 06:56 |
| agoliveira | Yes, that's the interesting part. | 06:57 |
| asac | agoliveira: what kind of infos are you interested in? | 06:57 |
| bspencer | I think once Moz 3.0 is released we can start talking about our plans to use it, etc. | 06:57 |
| bspencer | for hardy release maybe | 06:57 |
| asac | agoliveira: you can install firefox-3.0 from mozillateam ppa in gutsy | 06:57 |
| agoliveira | asac: Thanks, I'll see that | 06:58 |
| asac | bspencer: yes should be default in hardy | 06:58 |
| agoliveira | Cool. Just want to know if someone look at it. Thanks. | 06:58 |
| Mithrandir | asac: if it's not too much work, it might be interesting to see midbrowser builds based on gecko 1.9 | 06:58 |
| agoliveira | That would be nice, if possible. | 06:59 |
| asac | maintaining two branches is too much work ... a one time preview should be possible after release though | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | asac: ok. | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | asac: your call | 06:59 |
| agoliveira | That's al for me. | 06:59 |
| agoliveira | all | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | kwwii: theming> is that something that needs to go in the public meeting or can you just discuss it here afterwards? | 06:59 |
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| kwwii | we can discuss it later, nothing radically new | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 07:00 |
| asac | Mithrandir: when do we plan to have the first UME release? will that be aligned with hardy? | 07:00 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Actually I have some catch-up to do with you later if possible. | 07:00 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: cool, let me get dinner, etc then we can talk | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | asac: feature-complete, etc will be with 8.04 | 07:01 |
| Mithrandir | nothing more from anybody? | 07:01 |
| bspencer | kwwii, I'd like to catch up too | 07:01 |
| kwwii | bspencer: okidoki | 07:01 |
| Mithrandir | adjourned | 07:01 |
| asac | ok fine ... thanks all i have to run. | 07:01 |
| Mithrandir | #endmeeting | 07:01 |
| kwwii | we can have an irc themeing perty | 07:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:01. | 07:01 |
| agoliveira | Everyone want's a piece of Ken :) | 07:01 |
| bspencer | bfiller, you here? | 07:01 |
| kwwii | party | 07:01 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: luckily there is enough of me to go around | 07:01 |
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| agoliveira | kwwii: Just ping me when you're around. | 07:02 |
| bspencer | kwwii, agoliveira are we taking a break, then coming back? | 07:02 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: will do | 07:02 |
| bspencer | eta | 07:02 |
| kwwii | I should be back within two hours | 07:02 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: No problem, I'll be right here | 07:02 |
| kwwii | cook dinner, eat it, make my wife feel like I still love her, then back to irc | 07:03 |
| bspencer | ok. I'll drop and come back in a couple hours then. | 07:03 |
| bspencer | kwwii, too much info ;) | 07:03 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 07:03 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | So Mithrandir do you know how we get lpiacompat to be pulled in for the mccaslin fset? | 07:03 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: once we have ubuntu-meta uploaded, just change the fset to depend on the linux-lpiacompat package | 07:04 |
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| HappyCamp_laptop | Ah. Okay. Thanks! | 07:04 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | I will change core to depend on that. Once it is available. | 07:04 |
| Mithrandir | uh, not core, just the samsung-q1-ultra-config one? | 07:04 |
| amitk | HappyCamp_laptop: lpiacompat is only for mccaslin | 07:05 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Mithrandir: I meant the "Core" fset in Mccaslin. amitk | 07:05 |
| amitk | ok | 07:06 |
| bspencer | HappyCamp_laptop, is this related to why we aren't getting LPIA apps in our images? | 07:07 |
| bspencer | HappyCamp_laptop, or is that a separate issue | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp_laptop: just replace the linux-lpia one which is in Samsung-Q1-Ultra-Config | 07:08 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | Mithrandir: Okay. | 07:08 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | bspencer: What do you mean we aren't getting LPIA apps in our images? | 07:08 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | As far as I know, we are getting LPIA apps in our images. | 07:09 |
| bspencer | HappyCamp_laptop, I built an LPIA image for mccasslin a couple days ago. But my claws email was not Hildonized | 07:09 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | If you look at the install log, I am pretty sure you should be pulling in .lpia.deb files. | 07:09 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: what does dpkg --print-architecture in a shell print? | 07:10 |
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| bspencer | lpia | 07:11 |
| HappyCamp_laptop | bspencer: then I think you are getting lpia. Is that correct Mithrandir | 07:12 |
| Mithrandir | correct | 07:12 |
| bspencer | ok. agoliveira is there a way to look at the claws package itself? | 07:13 |
| Mithrandir | what does apt-cache policy claws-mail say? | 07:13 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir, right... just a se | 07:13 |
| bspencer | c | 07:13 |
| bspencer | claws-mail: | 07:13 |
| bspencer | Installed: 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 | 07:13 |
| bspencer | Candidate: 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 | 07:13 |
| bspencer | Version table: | 07:13 |
| bspencer | *** 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 0 | 07:13 |
| bspencer | 500 http://ports.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages | 07:13 |
| bspencer | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 07:13 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: You mean look inside the package to see if it's hildonized or not? | 07:14 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, does the above look correct for this package? | 07:15 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: It seens ok but as it does not say the arch I can't tell you if it's going to install the right package. | 07:17 |
| agoliveira | What does apt-cache show claws-mail | grep Arch says? | 07:18 |
| bspencer | Architecture: lpia | 07:18 |
| bspencer | did you hildonize the top menu? | 07:18 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Sure | 07:19 |
| agoliveira | That's weird | 07:19 |
| bspencer | :) | 07:19 |
| agoliveira | I have this package running here. Let me check this out. | 07:20 |
| bspencer | here's what I see: http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/ | 07:22 |
| bspencer | oops | 07:22 |
| bspencer | here's what I see: http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/ claws.png | 07:22 |
| bspencer | oops | 07:22 |
| bspencer | oops | 07:22 |
| bspencer | here's what I see: http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/claws.png | 07:22 |
| bspencer | :P | 07:22 |
| mjg59 | Does anyone actually have a working main application menu using only the gutsy repository? | 07:22 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: No, this is wrong. | 07:22 |
| bspencer | but curiously cheese worked | 07:23 |
| agoliveira | Can you check galculator? | 07:23 |
| bspencer | cheese is hildon | 07:23 |
| mjg59 | The top-left menu, not the home screen | 07:23 |
| bspencer | mjg59, not I. But now that we have lpia builds I hope to figure out what is going on and fix it soon. | 07:24 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:24 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Hmmm... I'll have to check what happened but I have the I think someone screwed my hildon interface in Claws :) HOld on... | 07:25 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9157729/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.claws-mail_2.10.0-3ubuntu3_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz says "maemo build: no" | 07:28 |
| mdz | agoliveira: are you using the package from gutsy or one you built yourself? | 07:30 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Yep. I'm checking. | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: current gutsy has pkg_cv_MAEMO_CFLAGS=`$PKG_CONFIG --cflags "libosso hildon-libs hildon-fm" 2>/dev/null` | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | that's old maemo stuff | 07:30 |
| agoliveira | mdz: Last time tested I think downloaded the package but it's being some time. | 07:31 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Aren't those builds taken place on a chroot? Looks like the lpia packages are being forced on a i386 enviroment. | 07:35 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: they're build in a chroot, yes. | 07:36 |
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| agoliveira | Mithrandir: That's weird because I'm seeing a lot of "package architecture (lpia) does not match system (i386)" there and the building process itself seems to have detected a ix86 env. | 07:38 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: I doubt that is the problem here. | 07:40 |
| Mithrandir | your pkg-config call is failing because you're looking for old maemo packages. | 07:40 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: You are correct. I was checking why is that because I don't believe it was that way before. | 07:41 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: it's been that way for lpia since the beginning. | 07:41 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Strange, I'm quite sure it was working well, that's fine, I'll just fix it right now. | 07:43 |
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| agoliveira | Let me just figured out why because this should not be happening as the patch looks ok. | 07:48 |
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| jpan_ | rob_, you there? | 07:54 |
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| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Ok, found the problem. I just can't understand why I didn't spot it before as I'm quite sure I tested it and not only once. Well, I'll just fix it. | 08:10 |
| bspencer | agoliveira, great, thx. | 08:10 |
| HappyCamp | see bspencer I didn't think it was my fault :) | 08:11 |
| bspencer | you never do | 08:11 |
| bspencer | :P | 08:11 |
| HappyCamp | even when it is ;) | 08:11 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp: You're out of the hook... for now.... >:-) | 08:11 |
| bspencer | usually its bob's noob factor | 08:11 |
| Mithrandir | ;-) | 08:11 |
| HappyCamp | agoliveira, that would be "off the hook" :) | 08:11 |
| rob_moblin | i'm HappyCamp is at fault for something though | 08:12 |
| rob_moblin | s/i'm/i'm sure/ | 08:12 |
| HappyCamp | rob_moblin, Is not a native english speaker either ;) | 08:12 |
| rob_moblin | yes it's true, English is my 2nd language | 08:12 |
| HappyCamp | Same here :) Spanish was my first. But I forgot it all. | 08:13 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp: I just reminded me that cartoon, Shaolin Showdown (I think that's the name). One of the characters there keeps doing the same kind of mistake :) | 08:13 |
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| rob_moblin | AaronL2, ping | 08:15 |
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| HappyCamp | agoliveira, :) | 08:19 |
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| kwwii | re | 09:08 |
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| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Can you refresh me about what happened to the tap-and-hold GTK patch? Isn't supposed to be on lpia or am I just getting old and confuse (39 in 10 days :( ) | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: not there, but alternate implementation in gtk 2.12, I thought | 10:01 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: I tought we would have it backported on lpia. Oh well, no big deal anyway. | 10:02 |
| Mithrandir | maybe; ask seb tomorrow? | 10:02 |
| Mithrandir | I'm off for today, see you tomorrow | 10:02 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Yep. I will. | 10:03 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Bye, have a good rest. | 10:03 |
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| ian_brasil | agoliveira: you are 16 days older than me at least :) | 10:10 |
| agoliveira | ian_brasil: My wife's birthday is even closer, 01/11 | 10:11 |
| ian_brasil | caramba...the same day as mine | 10:11 |
| ian_brasil | she must be extremely clever, witty, talented and good looking as this day is reserved for people like this | 10:15 |
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| agoliveira | ian_brasil: I agree... and my wife, looking over my should at this very moment has absolutely nothing to do with it ... honest | 10:20 |
| ian_brasil | ha ha | 10:21 |
| HappyCamp | agoliveira, bad news http://www.news.com/iPod-cheap-in-Hong-Kong%2C-but-a-Brazil-bank-breaker/2100-1041_3-6211724.html?tag=nefd.top | 10:27 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp: Not for me. I'll be the last person you will see with an ipod :) | 10:28 |
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| === agoliveira have Nokia 770 and cellphone capable of handling audio and video so why should he cares? :) | ||
| HappyCamp | agoliveira, I found it interesting how expensive that was in Brazil. | 10:31 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp: Yes. The ridiculous taxes have a big role in that but there's also the "cool" factor. Ipod here is a rich kid's toy so the price goes sky high. | 10:33 |
| HappyCamp | Ah | 10:34 |
| agoliveira | HappyCamp: If you want just play music and videos, there's plenty of cheap no-brand players around. | 10:34 |
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| agoliveira | bug #146458 | 10:44 |
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| kwwii | so much for working on the theme | 12:51 |
| kwwii | again | 12:51 |
| kwwii | kinda silly really | 12:51 |
| kwwii | blame me on not getting things done | 12:51 |
| kwwii | oh well | 12:51 |
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