[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[10:45] <dholbach> HappyCamp: did you get  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/moblin-chat.debdiff ?
[05:55] <mdz> HappyCamp_laptop: <dholbach> HappyCamp: did you get  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/moblin-chat.debdiff ?
[05:56] <HappyCamp_laptop> mdz I did get one last week.
[05:56] <HappyCamp_laptop> and applied it to our version.
[05:57] <HappyCamp_laptop> mdz but I had not seen that patch.  I will apply it to our version.
[05:57] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: .. says the man who changes nick for lunch or when he's away? ;-P
[05:58] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: at least anyone can tell if I'm on my chair or not just looking at it ;)
[05:58] <HappyCamp_laptop> Speaking of laptops.  I'm supposed to get my old, old Thinkpad T40 replaced with a T61.  Yeah for me :)
[05:59] <benj3one> where would I find people knowledgeable about running linux on a razr
[05:59] <Mithrandir> asac,StevenK,amitk: Around for meeting in one?
[05:59] <amitk> yup
[05:59] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: ship me the old one? ;-)
[05:59] <asac> yes
[05:59] <HappyCamp_laptop> LOL.  They take them away from us.
[05:59] <benj3one> Motorola razr*
[05:59] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: bad people!
[05:59] <Mithrandir> benj3one: we are not initally targetting phones at all, so I don't think we can help you, sorry.
[05:59] <amitk> benj3one: motorola? :-p
[06:00] <benj3one> I am aware of the project goals
[06:00] <benj3one> Looking for another project, thought being in the biz you might know
[06:00] <HappyCamp_laptop> 9:00 am here in Oregon
[06:01] <benj3one> I hope you do eventually consider smart phones though..
[06:01] <Mithrandir> benj3one: we might well do, yes.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> davidm: you around as well?  Mobile meeting
[06:02] <davidm> Yes
[06:02] <mawahlen> Mauri joined
[06:02] <Mithrandir> hi Mauri, Don
[06:02] <Don_Johnson> Good Morning
[06:02] <Mithrandir> kwwii: you around too?
[06:03] <kwwii> Mithrandir: yepp
[06:04] <mdz> Mithrandir: ready to kick things off?
[06:04] <Mithrandir> we're still missing Charlie it seems?
[06:04] <mawahlen> Is Rusty, Carl, Todd, John here?
[06:04] <Mithrandir> Don_Johnson: do you know where Charlie is?
[06:04] <ToddBrandt> here
[06:04] <cwong1> here
[06:04] <Don_Johnson> Charlie is looking over my shoulder.
[06:05] <Mithrandir> ok, good
[06:05] <bspencer> Charlie... where are you!?
[06:05] <Mithrandir> let's start then
[06:05] <Mithrandir> #startmeeting
[06:05] <HappyCamp_laptop> John here (wanted to get on MootBot's attendance list) :)
[06:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:05. The chair is Mithrandir.
[06:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] 
[06:05] <Mithrandir> welcome everybody, today's schedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting
[06:05] <Mithrandir> it's just the stock one + an introduction of new team members; does anybody have any more agenda items?
[06:06] <mdz> perhaps one
[06:06] <mdz> would it be useful to do an explicit update regarding the status of the current breakage in the daily build?
[06:06] <ian_brasil> me too
[06:06] <Mithrandir> mdz: good idea.
[06:07] <Mithrandir> ian_brasil: what do you have?
[06:07] <agoliveira> Yellow fever?
[06:07] <agoliveira> Sorry :)
[06:07] <ian_brasil> team reports ...it would help a lot jkeeping track of things
[06:08] <mdz> ian_brasil: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports ?
[06:08] <ian_brasil> yes
[06:08] <Mithrandir> ok, I'll add both to the agenda
[06:09] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Introductions
[06:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Introductions 
[06:09] <Mithrandir> we have a few new starters this week: David Mandala who is joining us as the project manager
[06:09] <davidm> Hello all
[06:10] <bspencer> curious .. what is a project manager's role ?
[06:10] <mdz> davidm will be taking over for me in managing the engineering team for Ubuntu Mobile
[06:10] <mdz> I've been brain-dumping with him this week
[06:10] <Mithrandir> Steven Kowalik who's joining us full-time working on mobile and Loc Minier, who will be working 50/50 on desktop and mobile.
[06:10] <Mithrandir> this should make me less of a SPOF than I've been in the past too.
[06:10] <mdz> I'll remain involved through the transition, but he will become the point of contact for the work Canonical is doing
[06:11] <dholbach> welcome davidm, StevenK and lool :)
[06:11] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Maybe would be good to explain where they are based so people can have an idea of times around.
[06:11] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: indeed.
[06:11] <mdz> davidm is currently in London with me, but usually based in Texas
[06:11] <Mithrandir> StevenK is based in Sydney, .au, lool is in France.
[06:11] <amitk> welcome davidm, StevenK, lool
[06:11] <Mithrandir> so StevenK either won't be attending the meetings or we will have to rotate them a bit so they don't hit him at 0200 each week.
[06:12] <agoliveira> As if we geeks go to bed early :)
[06:12] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: some of us do. ;-)
[06:12] <seb128> agoliveira: your hildon evince patches create a bug on the non hildon version, bug #146458
[06:12] <mdz> StevenK: are you here?
[06:12] <seb128> could you look into it?
[06:12] <agoliveira> Sissy :)
[06:12] <agoliveira> seb128: I've seen it. Thanks.
[06:13] <Mithrandir> any questions for the new starters?
[06:13] <seb128> ups, middle of a meeting, sorry guys
[06:14] <Mithrandir> seb128: np
[06:14] <Mithrandir> ok, moving on
[06:14] <Mithrandir> as we don't seem to have any action items from the last meeting(!), we'll skip that item
[06:14] <Mithrandir> and then move on to status reports
[06:14] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  Status reports
[06:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Status reports 
[06:14] <Mithrandir> the only one I haven't seen sent to the list is the one for browser
[06:14] <mdz> don't you mean [TOPIC] ?
[06:15] <Mithrandir> uh, yes
[06:15] <cwong1> its been sent
[06:15] <Mithrandir> oh, it's there now.
[06:15] <bspencer> :) 
[06:15] <cwong1> I sent to the wrong email address at first
[06:15] <cwong1> :(
[06:15] <Mithrandir> could you guys in the western US please send them on Wednesday evening so they're there a bit before two minutes before the meeting starts?
[06:16] <HappyCamp_laptop> I sent mine :)  10 minutes before the meeting.
[06:16] <bspencer> but we do most of our work Wednesday evening
[06:16] <asac> for browser, i will start to bake a release later tonight ... so probably we get a new upload tomorrow.
[06:16] <Mithrandir> asac: yay
[06:16] <mawahlen> Mithrandir: yes, they can send them the night before, I'll remind them
[06:16] <asac> cwong1: any news on gconf network settings? from what i know the code is already there
[06:16] <Don_Johnson> I'll try for Wed evening in the future
[06:16] <bspencer> asac, cwong1  you guys have special needs wrt the theme, right?
[06:17] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  status reports
[06:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  status reports 
[06:17] <asac> bspencer: i think i just need to replace the arrow displayed for nested menus ... because that one is not taken from native theme
[06:17] <Mithrandir> Don_Johnson,mawahlen: thanks.
[06:17] <bspencer> your drop-down menu uses Hildon theme elements?
[06:17] <asac> bspencer: for me it looks pretty much alike ... e.g. blue border et al
[06:18] <bspencer> k. that's great
[06:18] <cwong1> asac: we can chat about gconf offline
[06:19] <asac> cwong1: online, but in other channel ... yes.
[06:19] <cwong1> yes
[06:20] <Mithrandir> any more questions about the status reports?
[06:20] <mdz> bspencer: is there an ETA on getting the media player into gutsy?
[06:20] <bspencer> Mithrandir,  I saw you said OK to libclutter.  Any ETA on when they will arrive?
[06:20] <Mithrandir> bspencer: today or tomorrow.
[06:20] <bspencer> mdz, hm, I thought it was already in ubuntu-staging fset.
[06:21] <bspencer> mdz, at least the package could be added.  But we would like to not freeze the code until mid-next week
[06:21] <bspencer> (if possible :-\ )
[06:21] <Mithrandir> mdz: mjg59 is working on that and a kernel bug this week, I'll check with him
[06:21] <mdz> shouldn't be any need to wait for a freeze to do an initial drop, so we can review the packaging and get it into the archive
[06:22] <bspencer> right.  I think we're ready for that from our end.
[06:22] <mdz> I would also like to note that we are in an increasingly deep freeze for ubuntu 7.10
[06:22] <mdz> while this shouldn't affect development on mobile-specific components too much, changes to shared components will be scrutinized
[06:23] <mdz> the release goes out on the 18th, after which things will soften again
[06:24] <Mithrandir> I think we can have moblin-media in tomorrow; mjg59 has been busy with a kernel problem.
[06:24] <mjg59> Yes, it'll go in tomorrow assuming nothing goes wrong
[06:25] <mawahlen> bspencer: anything we need to do on our side for the Media Player opposed to making sure it's in the staging fset?
[06:25] <Mithrandir> mawahlen: for most apps, HappyCamp_laptop should be pushing them through the sponsorship mechanism.
[06:25] <bspencer> mawahlen, make sure it builds
[06:25] <mawahlen> bspencer: do you own that?
[06:25] <bspencer> mawahlen, co-own, yes.
[06:26] <bspencer> if it breaks I holler at people
[06:26] <bspencer> does that mean I own it?
[06:26] <HappyCamp_laptop> Please let me know if there are packages that we need to push into Ubuntu.  So I can work on getting them pushed in.
[06:26] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: "anything in the ubuntu staging fset"
[06:26] <HappyCamp_laptop> Okay.  I will work on those then.
[06:27] <mawahlen> bspencer: I want to make sure that we meet Gutsy dates.  
[06:27] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: but please just drop me a question before you push stuff so we make sure it's not being worked on already; like mjg59 is poking moblin-media.
[06:27] <bspencer> mawahlen, absolutely.  I don't know of any new packages that need to go into gutsy  (except media player, which I thought was already in process)
[06:28] <bspencer> mawahlen, the new "kwwii UI" will be based on an existig package
[06:28] <HappyCamp_laptop> Mithrandir: ok
[06:28] <Mithrandir> the same goes for updated versions; we want to have up to date packages in Ubuntu; don't be afraid to push packages early and often.
[06:29] <mdz> agreed
[06:29] <Mithrandir> moving on
[06:30] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Status update on broken daily builds
[06:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status update on broken daily builds 
[06:30] <Mithrandir> as you probably know, the daily builds have been broken for quite a while due to kernel bugs.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> I was promised a kernel upload last Friday which didn't happen; kernel freeze is today and we are having a new kernel today.
[06:31] <Mithrandir> so assuming that builds and works, we'll have working images tomorrow.
[06:31] <mdz> the kernel from ~amitk got me up and running
[06:31] <agoliveira> Same here
[06:31] <mdz> I would like to do a brief post-mortem if we could, and find out how we ended up in this position so that we can avoid it in the future
[06:32] <mdz> we know that it takes a long time to push a new kernel update through during crunch time (like now), so we want to get it right the first time if possible
[06:32] <Mithrandir> as you've seen on the mailing list, we're talking about how to prevent this from happening in the future, so we'll discuss this at the developer summit in a couple of weeks.
[06:32] <Mithrandir> I think the main problem was nobody had actually tested the lpia kernel on a mobile device.
[06:32] <mdz> amitk: did a new kernel get released from git before you had a chance to test it on MID?
[06:33] <HappyCamp_laptop> speaking of the kernel.  How will I specify the lpiacompat kernel in our FSET?
[06:33] <amitk> mdz: It did. With the unionfs changes.
[06:34] <mdz> amitk: in the long term, do you think it's sufficient to insert ourselves in that process and require MID testing before an upload is made, or might we need to maintain a separate kernel tree?
[06:35] <amitk> mdz: requiring MID testing is an easy and cheap solution - all it requires is a .deb package being tested on real HW; few hours at most.
[06:35] <mdz> amitk: you'll take that up with BenC then?
[06:36] <amitk> maintaining a separate tree is _expensive_, though there are benefits of faster turn around time for hotfixes
[06:36] <Mithrandir> I'd also like us to consider lpia a first class citizen, so if stuff's completely broken there, we do a new upload, even if it's not needed for other arches.
[06:37] <amitk> mdz: it is on the UDS agenda, so all stakeholders should be present
[06:37] <mdz> amitk: great, thanks
[06:37] <Mithrandir> the kernel upload has actually already happened, btw.
[06:37] <amitk> Mithrandir: no one is treating lpia as a second class citizen, the problem is there are too many first class citizens :/
[06:38] <agoliveira> amitk: You should go to politics :)
[06:38] <Mithrandir> amitk: if i386 hadn't booted at all with usplash enabled because CONFIG_VM86 hadn't been turned on, I'm sure it would not have taken this long to get a fixed kernel in.
[06:39] <amitk> Mithrandir: I think the problem was the sudden turning ON of lpia for MIC builds. It caught atleast me unaware.
[06:39] <Mithrandir> amitk: I'm not trying to point fingers here; I'm just trying to explain what I mean by second class citizen.
[06:40] <amitk> Mithrandir: I know... neither am I :)
[06:40] <Mithrandir> as for switching; it had to happen at some point.
[06:40] <Mithrandir> I guess the lesson is to do those kind of changes as early as possible.
[06:40] <mdz> amitk: it happened more or less according to the schedule
[06:41] <mdz> though it was not on the schedule very far in advance
[06:41] <Mithrandir> but it was the plan to switch at some point from the very beginning
[06:41] <mdz> yes
[06:42] <Mithrandir> so the timing might have caught people unaware, but the fact we were to switch shouldn't have.
[06:42] <Mithrandir> I don't think there's much more to be said about this; should we move on?
[06:42] <amitk> mdz: perhaps, but I was still caught unaware. One day we were using UME/i386, the next people were screaming about LPIA - VM86, etc.
[06:42] <mdz> Mithrandir: ok with me
[06:42] <amitk> ok with me
[06:43] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Team reporting
[06:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team reporting 
[06:43] <Mithrandir> ian_brasil: your topic
[06:43] <ian_brasil> ok...i think team reports would help a lot
[06:44] <ian_brasil> it is hard keeping track of things
[06:44] <ian_brasil> so this idea is rwally good IMHO
[06:45] <ian_brasil> i created the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage
[06:45] <ian_brasil> and then up to 22 of the month for simple 1/2 line reports with links
[06:46] <Mithrandir> it requires a person to take the lead on it
[06:46] <Mithrandir> are you volunteering for that role?
[06:46] <Mithrandir> [LINK]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage
[06:46] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage 
[06:46] <ian_brasil> well it would help me a lot with the guide so if no one else is up for it i can do it yes
[06:47] <Mithrandir> I think the job would mostly consist of prodding people into putting some text on the page
[06:48] <mdz> ian_brasil: perhaps folks could add their status reports there instead of posting to the mailing list, and you could aggregate and submit them?
[06:48] <mdz> or s/instead of/in addition to/
[06:49] <ian_brasil> sounds ok to me
[06:49] <bspencer> the difficult part is getting something that is not "write-only"
[06:49] <ian_brasil> and as long as people don't get to annoyed with me hassling them all the time!
[06:49] <bspencer> what are we trying to fix.
[06:50] <bspencer> I don't mind sending the duplicate email. If it helps, lets do it.    Is there a missing link in communication?
[06:50] <ian_brasil> one central location for mobile work rather than digging through mail lists , irc logs etc
[06:51] <bspencer> k.  let's try it
[06:52] <mdz> bspencer: we're trying to better inform people who aren't (yet?) directly involved in the mobile project
[06:52] <mdz> bspencer: this is a good way to get more visibility for our work, and attract more people to participate
[06:53] <mdz> by tying into the existing community team reporting infrastructure, we get included in existing communications channels
[06:54] <kyleN> perhaps folks should take it on themselves to update the wiki and perhaps email the list when they have and remove ian_brasil from having to nag them and etc.
[06:54] <Mithrandir> experience shows that you need to have a person responsible
[06:54] <Mithrandir> and since nobody else volunteers, ian_brasil it is. :-)
[06:54] <Mithrandir> anybody got any more agenda items?
[06:54] <HappyCamp_laptop> I had a question
[06:54] <mdz> nothing from me
[06:55] <agoliveira> Yes, I do have one question.
[06:55] <kwwii> we could talk about themeing
[06:55] <HappyCamp_laptop> speaking of the kernel.  How will I specify the lpiacompat kernel in our FSET?
[06:55] <HappyCamp_laptop> I guess that could be offline though.
[06:55] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: if we can take that later, that'd be good
[06:55] <HappyCamp_laptop> okay.
[06:55] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: shoot
[06:56] <agoliveira> Does anyone have any news about the tests with gecko 1.9 that I think Intel have being doing some time ago?
[06:56] <bspencer> I don't know of formal testing of any sort
[06:56] <bspencer> we heard there was a nice magnification feature in gecko 1.9
[06:56] <agoliveira> I couldn't dig the exact person who sent an email about it ages ago.
[06:57] <agoliveira> Yes, that's the interesting part.
[06:57] <asac> agoliveira: what kind of infos are you interested in?
[06:57] <bspencer> I think once Moz 3.0 is released we can start talking about our plans to use it, etc.
[06:57] <bspencer> for hardy release maybe
[06:57] <asac> agoliveira: you can install firefox-3.0 from mozillateam ppa in gutsy
[06:58] <agoliveira> asac: Thanks, I'll see that
[06:58] <asac> bspencer: yes should be default in hardy
[06:58] <agoliveira> Cool. Just want to know if someone look at it. Thanks.
[06:58] <Mithrandir> asac: if it's not too much work, it might be interesting to see midbrowser builds based on gecko 1.9
[06:59] <agoliveira> That would be nice, if possible.
[06:59] <asac> maintaining two branches is too much work ... a one time preview should be possible after release though
[06:59] <Mithrandir> asac: ok.
[06:59] <Mithrandir> asac: your call
[06:59] <agoliveira> That's al for me.
[06:59] <agoliveira> all
[06:59] <Mithrandir> kwwii: theming> is that something that needs to go in the public meeting or can you just discuss it here afterwards?
[07:00] <kwwii> we can discuss it later, nothing radically new
[07:00] <Mithrandir> ok
[07:00] <asac> Mithrandir: when do we plan to have the first UME release? will that be aligned with hardy?
[07:00] <agoliveira> kwwii: Actually I have some catch-up to do with you later if possible.
[07:00] <kwwii> agoliveira: cool, let me get dinner, etc then we can talk
[07:01] <Mithrandir> asac: feature-complete, etc will be with 8.04
[07:01] <Mithrandir> nothing more from anybody?
[07:01] <bspencer> kwwii, I'd like to catch up too
[07:01] <kwwii> bspencer: okidoki
[07:01] <Mithrandir> adjourned
[07:01] <asac> ok fine ... thanks all i have to run.
[07:01] <Mithrandir> #endmeeting
[07:01] <kwwii> we can have an irc themeing perty
[07:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:01.
[07:01] <agoliveira> Everyone want's a piece of Ken :)
[07:01] <bspencer> bfiller, you here?
[07:01] <kwwii> party
[07:01] <kwwii> agoliveira: luckily there is enough of me to go around
[07:02] <agoliveira> kwwii: Just ping me when you're around.
[07:02] <bspencer> kwwii, agoliveira   are we taking a break, then coming back?
[07:02] <kwwii> agoliveira: will do
[07:02] <bspencer> eta
[07:02] <kwwii> I should be back within two hours
[07:02] <agoliveira> bspencer: No problem, I'll be right here
[07:03] <kwwii> cook dinner, eat it, make my wife feel like I still love her, then back to irc
[07:03] <bspencer> ok.  I'll drop and come back in a couple hours then.
[07:03] <bspencer> kwwii, too much info ;)
[07:03] <kwwii> ;-)
[07:03] <HappyCamp_laptop> So Mithrandir do you know how we get lpiacompat to be pulled in for the mccaslin fset?
[07:04] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: once we have ubuntu-meta uploaded, just change the fset to depend on the linux-lpiacompat package
[07:04] <HappyCamp_laptop> Ah.  Okay.  Thanks!
[07:04] <HappyCamp_laptop> I will change core to depend on that.  Once it is available.
[07:04] <Mithrandir> uh, not core, just the samsung-q1-ultra-config one?
[07:05] <amitk> HappyCamp_laptop: lpiacompat is only for mccaslin
[07:05] <HappyCamp_laptop> Mithrandir: I meant the "Core" fset in Mccaslin.  amitk 
[07:06] <amitk> ok
[07:07] <bspencer> HappyCamp_laptop, is this related to why we aren't getting LPIA apps in our images?
[07:08] <bspencer> HappyCamp_laptop, or is that a separate issue
[07:08] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp_laptop: just replace the linux-lpia one which is in Samsung-Q1-Ultra-Config
[07:08] <HappyCamp_laptop> Mithrandir: Okay.
[07:08] <HappyCamp_laptop> bspencer: What do you mean we aren't getting LPIA apps in our images?
[07:09] <HappyCamp_laptop> As far as I know, we are getting LPIA apps in our images.
[07:09] <bspencer> HappyCamp_laptop, I built an LPIA image for mccasslin a couple days ago.  But my claws email was not Hildonized
[07:09] <HappyCamp_laptop> If you look at the install log, I am pretty sure you should be pulling in .lpia.deb files.
[07:10] <Mithrandir> bspencer: what does dpkg --print-architecture in a shell print?
[07:11] <bspencer> lpia
[07:12] <HappyCamp_laptop> bspencer: then I think you are getting lpia.  Is that correct Mithrandir 
[07:12] <Mithrandir> correct
[07:13] <bspencer> ok.  agoliveira is there a way to look at the claws package itself?
[07:13] <Mithrandir> what does apt-cache policy claws-mail say?
[07:13] <bspencer> Mithrandir, right... just a se
[07:13] <bspencer> c
[07:13] <bspencer> claws-mail:
[07:13] <bspencer>   Installed: 2.10.0-3ubuntu3
[07:13] <bspencer>   Candidate: 2.10.0-3ubuntu3
[07:13] <bspencer>   Version table:
[07:13] <bspencer>  *** 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 0
[07:13] <bspencer>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[07:13] <bspencer>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:14] <agoliveira> bspencer: You mean look inside the package to see if it's hildonized or not?
[07:15] <bspencer> agoliveira, does the above look correct for this package?  
[07:17] <agoliveira> bspencer: It seens ok but as it does not say the arch I can't tell you if it's going to install the right package.
[07:18] <agoliveira> What does apt-cache show claws-mail | grep Arch says?
[07:18] <bspencer> Architecture: lpia
[07:18] <bspencer> did you hildonize the top menu?
[07:19] <agoliveira> bspencer: Sure
[07:19] <agoliveira> That's weird
[07:19] <bspencer> :)
[07:20] <agoliveira> I have this package running here. Let me check this out.
[07:22] <bspencer> here's what I see:  http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/ 
[07:22] <bspencer> oops
[07:22] <bspencer> here's what I see:  http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/ claws.png
[07:22] <bspencer> oops
[07:22] <bspencer> oops
[07:22] <bspencer> here's what I see:  http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/claws.png
[07:22] <bspencer> :P
[07:22] <mjg59> Does anyone actually have a working main application menu using only the gutsy repository?
[07:22] <agoliveira> bspencer: No, this is wrong.
[07:23] <bspencer> but curiously cheese worked
[07:23] <agoliveira> Can you check galculator?
[07:23] <bspencer> cheese is hildon
[07:23] <mjg59> The top-left menu, not the home screen
[07:24] <bspencer> mjg59, not I.  But now that we have lpia builds I hope to figure out what is going on and fix it soon.
[07:24] <mjg59> Ok
[07:25] <agoliveira> bspencer: Hmmm... I'll have to check what happened but I have the I think someone screwed my hildon interface in Claws :) HOld on...
[07:28] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9157729/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.claws-mail_2.10.0-3ubuntu3_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz says "maemo build: no"
[07:30] <mdz> agoliveira: are you using the package from gutsy or one you built yourself?
[07:30] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Yep. I'm checking.
[07:30] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: current gutsy has   pkg_cv_MAEMO_CFLAGS=`$PKG_CONFIG --cflags "libosso hildon-libs hildon-fm" 2>/dev/null`
[07:30] <Mithrandir> that's old maemo stuff
[07:31] <agoliveira> mdz: Last time tested I think downloaded the package but it's being some time.
[07:35] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Aren't those builds taken place on a chroot? Looks like the lpia packages are being forced on a i386 enviroment.
[07:36] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: they're build in a chroot, yes.
[07:38] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: That's weird because I'm seeing a lot of "package architecture (lpia) does not match system (i386)" there and the building process itself seems to have detected a ix86 env.
[07:40] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I doubt that is the problem here.
[07:40] <Mithrandir> your pkg-config call is failing because you're looking for old maemo packages.
[07:41] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: You are correct. I was checking why is that because I don't believe it was that way before.
[07:41] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: it's been that way for lpia since the beginning.
[07:43] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Strange, I'm quite sure it was working well, that's fine, I'll just fix it right now.
[07:48] <agoliveira> Let me just figured out why because this should not be happening as the patch looks ok.
[07:54] <jpan_> rob_, you there?
[08:10] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Ok, found the problem. I just can't understand why I didn't spot it before as I'm quite sure I tested it and not only once. Well, I'll just fix it.
[08:10] <bspencer> agoliveira, great, thx.
[08:11] <HappyCamp> see bspencer I didn't think it was my fault :)
[08:11] <bspencer> you never do
[08:11] <bspencer> :P
[08:11] <HappyCamp> even when it is ;)
[08:11] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: You're out of the hook... for now.... >:-)
[08:11] <bspencer> usually its bob's noob factor
[08:11] <Mithrandir> ;-)
[08:11] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, that would be "off the hook" :)
[08:12] <rob_moblin> i'm HappyCamp is at fault for something though
[08:12] <rob_moblin> s/i'm/i'm sure/
[08:12] <HappyCamp> rob_moblin, Is not a native english speaker either ;)
[08:12] <rob_moblin> yes it's true, English is my 2nd language
[08:13] <HappyCamp> Same here :)  Spanish was my first.  But I forgot it all.
[08:13] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: I just reminded me that cartoon, Shaolin Showdown (I think that's the name). One of the characters there keeps doing the same kind of mistake :)
[08:15] <rob_moblin> AaronL2, ping
[08:19] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, :)
[09:08] <kwwii> re
[10:00] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Can you refresh me about what happened to the tap-and-hold GTK patch? Isn't supposed to be on lpia or am I just getting old and confuse (39 in 10 days :( ) 
[10:01] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: not there, but alternate implementation in gtk 2.12, I thought
[10:02] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I tought we would have it backported on lpia. Oh well, no big deal anyway.
[10:02] <Mithrandir> maybe; ask seb tomorrow?
[10:02] <Mithrandir> I'm off for today, see you tomorrow
[10:03] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Yep. I will.
[10:03] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Bye, have a good rest.
[10:10] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: you are 16 days older than me at least :)
[10:11] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: My wife's birthday is even closer, 01/11
[10:11] <ian_brasil> caramba...the same day as mine
[10:15] <ian_brasil> she must be extremely clever, witty, talented and good looking as this day is reserved for people like this
[10:20] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I agree... and my wife, looking over my should at this very moment has absolutely nothing to do with it ... honest
[10:21] <ian_brasil> ha ha
[10:27] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, bad news http://www.news.com/iPod-cheap-in-Hong-Kong%2C-but-a-Brazil-bank-breaker/2100-1041_3-6211724.html?tag=nefd.top
[10:28] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Not for me. I'll be the last person you will see with an ipod :)
[10:31] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, I found it interesting how expensive that was in Brazil.
[10:33] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Yes. The ridiculous taxes have a big role in that but there's also the "cool" factor. Ipod here is a rich kid's toy so the price goes sky high.
[10:34] <HappyCamp> Ah
[10:34] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: If you want just play music and videos, there's plenty of cheap no-brand players around.
[10:44] <agoliveira> bug #146458
[12:51] <kwwii> so much for working on the theme
[12:51] <kwwii> again
[12:51] <kwwii> kinda silly really
[12:51] <kwwii> blame me on not getting things done
[12:51] <kwwii> oh well