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[05:56] mdz I did get one last week. [05:56] and applied it to our version. === agoliveira would love if HappyCamp choose one nick only :) === HappyCamp_laptop is logged in multiple places :) [05:57] mdz but I had not seen that patch. I will apply it to our version. [05:57] agoliveira: .. says the man who changes nick for lunch or when he's away? ;-P [05:58] Mithrandir: at least anyone can tell if I'm on my chair or not just looking at it ;) === cwong1 [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-1a244317143b9fb9] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:58] Speaking of laptops. I'm supposed to get my old, old Thinkpad T40 replaced with a T61. Yeah for me :) [05:59] where would I find people knowledgeable about running linux on a razr [05:59] asac,StevenK,amitk: Around for meeting in one? [05:59] yup [05:59] HappyCamp_laptop: ship me the old one? ;-) [05:59] yes [05:59] LOL. They take them away from us. [05:59] Motorola razr* [05:59] HappyCamp_laptop: bad people! [05:59] benj3one: we are not initally targetting phones at all, so I don't think we can help you, sorry. [05:59] benj3one: motorola? :-p [06:00] I am aware of the project goals [06:00] Looking for another project, thought being in the biz you might know [06:00] 9:00 am here in Oregon [06:01] I hope you do eventually consider smart phones though.. === Don_Johnson [i=dkjohns2@nat/intel/x-5443808d01a76ace] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mawahlen [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-6dba09efb2cb8d91] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:01] benj3one: we might well do, yes. [06:02] davidm: you around as well? Mobile meeting [06:02] Yes [06:02] Mauri joined [06:02] hi Mauri, Don [06:02] Good Morning [06:02] kwwii: you around too? === agoliveira waves everyone feeling good for the sunny day after a week of rain :) === lool waves to all attendees and takes the opportunity to announce that I'll work with the Mobile team at Canonical part of my time === agoliveira hugs lool [06:03] Mithrandir: yepp === bspencer [n=bob@c-71-193-176-151.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ptung1 [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-5cc2614534cec6ed] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:04] Mithrandir: ready to kick things off? [06:04] we're still missing Charlie it seems? [06:04] Is Rusty, Carl, Todd, John here? [06:04] Don_Johnson: do you know where Charlie is? [06:04] here [06:04] here [06:04] Charlie is looking over my shoulder. [06:05] ok, good [06:05] Charlie... where are you!? [06:05] let's start then [06:05] #startmeeting [06:05] John here (wanted to get on MootBot's attendance list) :) [06:05] Meeting started at 17:05. The chair is Mithrandir. [06:05] Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] === Praj_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-b7a307e402761cb7] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:05] welcome everybody, today's schedule is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting [06:05] it's just the stock one + an introduction of new team members; does anybody have any more agenda items? [06:06] perhaps one [06:06] would it be useful to do an explicit update regarding the status of the current breakage in the daily build? [06:06] me too [06:06] mdz: good idea. [06:07] ian_brasil: what do you have? [06:07] Yellow fever? [06:07] Sorry :) [06:07] team reports ...it would help a lot jkeeping track of things === Praj_ is now known as Praj_laptop [06:08] ian_brasil: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports ? [06:08] yes [06:08] ok, I'll add both to the agenda [06:09] [TOPIC] Introductions [06:09] New Topic: Introductions [06:09] we have a few new starters this week: David Mandala who is joining us as the project manager [06:09] Hello all [06:10] curious .. what is a project manager's role ? [06:10] davidm will be taking over for me in managing the engineering team for Ubuntu Mobile [06:10] I've been brain-dumping with him this week [06:10] Steven Kowalik who's joining us full-time working on mobile and Loc Minier, who will be working 50/50 on desktop and mobile. [06:10] this should make me less of a SPOF than I've been in the past too. [06:10] I'll remain involved through the transition, but he will become the point of contact for the work Canonical is doing [06:11] welcome davidm, StevenK and lool :) [06:11] Mithrandir: Maybe would be good to explain where they are based so people can have an idea of times around. [06:11] agoliveira: indeed. [06:11] davidm is currently in London with me, but usually based in Texas [06:11] StevenK is based in Sydney, .au, lool is in France. [06:11] welcome davidm, StevenK, lool [06:11] so StevenK either won't be attending the meetings or we will have to rotate them a bit so they don't hit him at 0200 each week. [06:12] As if we geeks go to bed early :) [06:12] agoliveira: some of us do. ;-) [06:12] agoliveira: your hildon evince patches create a bug on the non hildon version, bug #146458 [06:12] StevenK: are you here? [06:12] could you look into it? [06:12] Sissy :) [06:12] seb128: I've seen it. Thanks. [06:13] any questions for the new starters? [06:13] ups, middle of a meeting, sorry guys [06:14] seb128: np [06:14] ok, moving on [06:14] as we don't seem to have any action items from the last meeting(!), we'll skip that item [06:14] and then move on to status reports [06:14] [ACTION] Status reports [06:14] ACTION received: Status reports [06:14] the only one I haven't seen sent to the list is the one for browser [06:14] don't you mean [TOPIC] ? [06:15] uh, yes [06:15] its been sent [06:15] oh, it's there now. [06:15] :) [06:15] I sent to the wrong email address at first [06:15] :( [06:15] could you guys in the western US please send them on Wednesday evening so they're there a bit before two minutes before the meeting starts? [06:16] I sent mine :) 10 minutes before the meeting. [06:16] but we do most of our work Wednesday evening [06:16] for browser, i will start to bake a release later tonight ... so probably we get a new upload tomorrow. [06:16] asac: yay [06:16] Mithrandir: yes, they can send them the night before, I'll remind them [06:16] cwong1: any news on gconf network settings? from what i know the code is already there [06:16] I'll try for Wed evening in the future [06:16] asac, cwong1 you guys have special needs wrt the theme, right? [06:17] [TOPIC] status reports [06:17] New Topic: status reports [06:17] bspencer: i think i just need to replace the arrow displayed for nested menus ... because that one is not taken from native theme [06:17] Don_Johnson,mawahlen: thanks. [06:17] your drop-down menu uses Hildon theme elements? [06:17] bspencer: for me it looks pretty much alike ... e.g. blue border et al [06:18] k. that's great [06:18] asac: we can chat about gconf offline [06:19] cwong1: online, but in other channel ... yes. [06:19] yes [06:20] any more questions about the status reports? [06:20] bspencer: is there an ETA on getting the media player into gutsy? [06:20] Mithrandir, I saw you said OK to libclutter. Any ETA on when they will arrive? [06:20] bspencer: today or tomorrow. [06:20] mdz, hm, I thought it was already in ubuntu-staging fset. [06:21] mdz, at least the package could be added. But we would like to not freeze the code until mid-next week [06:21] (if possible :-\ ) [06:21] mdz: mjg59 is working on that and a kernel bug this week, I'll check with him [06:21] shouldn't be any need to wait for a freeze to do an initial drop, so we can review the packaging and get it into the archive [06:22] right. I think we're ready for that from our end. === Charliefjohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-3632833b1b040cc9] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:22] I would also like to note that we are in an increasingly deep freeze for ubuntu 7.10 [06:22] while this shouldn't affect development on mobile-specific components too much, changes to shared components will be scrutinized [06:23] the release goes out on the 18th, after which things will soften again [06:24] I think we can have moblin-media in tomorrow; mjg59 has been busy with a kernel problem. [06:24] Yes, it'll go in tomorrow assuming nothing goes wrong [06:25] bspencer: anything we need to do on our side for the Media Player opposed to making sure it's in the staging fset? [06:25] mawahlen: for most apps, HappyCamp_laptop should be pushing them through the sponsorship mechanism. [06:25] mawahlen, make sure it builds [06:25] bspencer: do you own that? [06:25] mawahlen, co-own, yes. [06:26] if it breaks I holler at people [06:26] does that mean I own it? [06:26] Please let me know if there are packages that we need to push into Ubuntu. So I can work on getting them pushed in. [06:26] HappyCamp_laptop: "anything in the ubuntu staging fset" [06:26] Okay. I will work on those then. [06:27] bspencer: I want to make sure that we meet Gutsy dates. [06:27] HappyCamp_laptop: but please just drop me a question before you push stuff so we make sure it's not being worked on already; like mjg59 is poking moblin-media. [06:27] mawahlen, absolutely. I don't know of any new packages that need to go into gutsy (except media player, which I thought was already in process) [06:28] mawahlen, the new "kwwii UI" will be based on an existig package [06:28] Mithrandir: ok [06:28] the same goes for updated versions; we want to have up to date packages in Ubuntu; don't be afraid to push packages early and often. [06:29] agreed [06:29] moving on [06:30] [TOPIC] Status update on broken daily builds [06:30] New Topic: Status update on broken daily builds [06:30] as you probably know, the daily builds have been broken for quite a while due to kernel bugs. [06:30] I was promised a kernel upload last Friday which didn't happen; kernel freeze is today and we are having a new kernel today. === jpan_ [i=jpan9@nat/intel/x-5ca372e93f8fc20a] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:31] so assuming that builds and works, we'll have working images tomorrow. [06:31] the kernel from ~amitk got me up and running [06:31] Same here [06:31] I would like to do a brief post-mortem if we could, and find out how we ended up in this position so that we can avoid it in the future [06:32] we know that it takes a long time to push a new kernel update through during crunch time (like now), so we want to get it right the first time if possible [06:32] as you've seen on the mailing list, we're talking about how to prevent this from happening in the future, so we'll discuss this at the developer summit in a couple of weeks. [06:32] I think the main problem was nobody had actually tested the lpia kernel on a mobile device. [06:32] amitk: did a new kernel get released from git before you had a chance to test it on MID? [06:33] speaking of the kernel. How will I specify the lpiacompat kernel in our FSET? [06:33] mdz: It did. With the unionfs changes. === javamaniac [n=gerardo@190.79.66.154] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:34] amitk: in the long term, do you think it's sufficient to insert ourselves in that process and require MID testing before an upload is made, or might we need to maintain a separate kernel tree? === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:35] mdz: requiring MID testing is an easy and cheap solution - all it requires is a .deb package being tested on real HW; few hours at most. [06:35] amitk: you'll take that up with BenC then? [06:36] maintaining a separate tree is _expensive_, though there are benefits of faster turn around time for hotfixes [06:36] I'd also like us to consider lpia a first class citizen, so if stuff's completely broken there, we do a new upload, even if it's not needed for other arches. [06:37] mdz: it is on the UDS agenda, so all stakeholders should be present [06:37] amitk: great, thanks [06:37] the kernel upload has actually already happened, btw. [06:37] Mithrandir: no one is treating lpia as a second class citizen, the problem is there are too many first class citizens :/ [06:38] amitk: You should go to politics :) [06:38] amitk: if i386 hadn't booted at all with usplash enabled because CONFIG_VM86 hadn't been turned on, I'm sure it would not have taken this long to get a fixed kernel in. === javamaniac [n=gerardo@pwnd.gerardo.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:39] Mithrandir: I think the problem was the sudden turning ON of lpia for MIC builds. It caught atleast me unaware. [06:39] amitk: I'm not trying to point fingers here; I'm just trying to explain what I mean by second class citizen. [06:40] Mithrandir: I know... neither am I :) [06:40] as for switching; it had to happen at some point. [06:40] I guess the lesson is to do those kind of changes as early as possible. [06:40] amitk: it happened more or less according to the schedule [06:41] though it was not on the schedule very far in advance [06:41] but it was the plan to switch at some point from the very beginning [06:41] yes [06:42] so the timing might have caught people unaware, but the fact we were to switch shouldn't have. [06:42] I don't think there's much more to be said about this; should we move on? [06:42] mdz: perhaps, but I was still caught unaware. One day we were using UME/i386, the next people were screaming about LPIA - VM86, etc. [06:42] Mithrandir: ok with me [06:42] ok with me [06:43] [TOPIC] Team reporting [06:43] New Topic: Team reporting [06:43] ian_brasil: your topic === vivijim [n=vivijim@201.32.148.75] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:43] ok...i think team reports would help a lot === ToddBrandt [n=tebrandt@pool-71-117-215-168.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:44] it is hard keeping track of things [06:44] so this idea is rwally good IMHO [06:45] i created the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage [06:45] and then up to 22 of the month for simple 1/2 line reports with links [06:46] it requires a person to take the lead on it [06:46] are you volunteering for that role? [06:46] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage [06:46] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ReportingPage [06:46] well it would help me a lot with the guide so if no one else is up for it i can do it yes === bspencer goes to link... [06:47] I think the job would mostly consist of prodding people into putting some text on the page [06:48] ian_brasil: perhaps folks could add their status reports there instead of posting to the mailing list, and you could aggregate and submit them? [06:48] or s/instead of/in addition to/ [06:49] sounds ok to me [06:49] the difficult part is getting something that is not "write-only" [06:49] and as long as people don't get to annoyed with me hassling them all the time! [06:49] what are we trying to fix. [06:50] I don't mind sending the duplicate email. If it helps, lets do it. Is there a missing link in communication? [06:50] one central location for mobile work rather than digging through mail lists , irc logs etc [06:51] k. let's try it [06:52] bspencer: we're trying to better inform people who aren't (yet?) directly involved in the mobile project === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:52] bspencer: this is a good way to get more visibility for our work, and attract more people to participate [06:53] by tying into the existing community team reporting infrastructure, we get included in existing communications channels [06:54] perhaps folks should take it on themselves to update the wiki and perhaps email the list when they have and remove ian_brasil from having to nag them and etc. [06:54] experience shows that you need to have a person responsible [06:54] and since nobody else volunteers, ian_brasil it is. :-) [06:54] anybody got any more agenda items? [06:54] I had a question [06:54] nothing from me [06:55] Yes, I do have one question. [06:55] we could talk about themeing [06:55] speaking of the kernel. How will I specify the lpiacompat kernel in our FSET? [06:55] I guess that could be offline though. [06:55] HappyCamp_laptop: if we can take that later, that'd be good [06:55] okay. [06:55] agoliveira: shoot [06:56] Does anyone have any news about the tests with gecko 1.9 that I think Intel have being doing some time ago? [06:56] I don't know of formal testing of any sort [06:56] we heard there was a nice magnification feature in gecko 1.9 [06:56] I couldn't dig the exact person who sent an email about it ages ago. [06:57] Yes, that's the interesting part. [06:57] agoliveira: what kind of infos are you interested in? [06:57] I think once Moz 3.0 is released we can start talking about our plans to use it, etc. [06:57] for hardy release maybe [06:57] agoliveira: you can install firefox-3.0 from mozillateam ppa in gutsy [06:58] asac: Thanks, I'll see that [06:58] bspencer: yes should be default in hardy [06:58] Cool. Just want to know if someone look at it. Thanks. [06:58] asac: if it's not too much work, it might be interesting to see midbrowser builds based on gecko 1.9 [06:59] That would be nice, if possible. [06:59] maintaining two branches is too much work ... a one time preview should be possible after release though [06:59] asac: ok. [06:59] asac: your call [06:59] That's al for me. [06:59] all [06:59] kwwii: theming> is that something that needs to go in the public meeting or can you just discuss it here afterwards? === vivijim [n=vivijim@201.32.145.217] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:00] we can discuss it later, nothing radically new [07:00] ok [07:00] Mithrandir: when do we plan to have the first UME release? will that be aligned with hardy? [07:00] kwwii: Actually I have some catch-up to do with you later if possible. [07:00] agoliveira: cool, let me get dinner, etc then we can talk [07:01] asac: feature-complete, etc will be with 8.04 [07:01] nothing more from anybody? [07:01] kwwii, I'd like to catch up too [07:01] bspencer: okidoki [07:01] adjourned [07:01] ok fine ... thanks all i have to run. [07:01] #endmeeting [07:01] we can have an irc themeing perty [07:01] Meeting finished at 18:01. [07:01] Everyone want's a piece of Ken :) [07:01] bfiller, you here? [07:01] party [07:01] agoliveira: luckily there is enough of me to go around === agoliveira will just stop after that... :) [07:02] kwwii: Just ping me when you're around. [07:02] kwwii, agoliveira are we taking a break, then coming back? [07:02] agoliveira: will do [07:02] eta [07:02] I should be back within two hours [07:02] bspencer: No problem, I'll be right here [07:03] cook dinner, eat it, make my wife feel like I still love her, then back to irc [07:03] ok. I'll drop and come back in a couple hours then. [07:03] kwwii, too much info ;) [07:03] ;-) [07:03] So Mithrandir do you know how we get lpiacompat to be pulled in for the mccaslin fset? [07:04] HappyCamp_laptop: once we have ubuntu-meta uploaded, just change the fset to depend on the linux-lpiacompat package === sabotage [n=chatzill@c-24-22-27-185.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:04] Ah. Okay. Thanks! [07:04] I will change core to depend on that. Once it is available. [07:04] uh, not core, just the samsung-q1-ultra-config one? [07:05] HappyCamp_laptop: lpiacompat is only for mccaslin [07:05] Mithrandir: I meant the "Core" fset in Mccaslin. amitk [07:06] ok [07:07] HappyCamp_laptop, is this related to why we aren't getting LPIA apps in our images? [07:08] HappyCamp_laptop, or is that a separate issue [07:08] HappyCamp_laptop: just replace the linux-lpia one which is in Samsung-Q1-Ultra-Config [07:08] Mithrandir: Okay. [07:08] bspencer: What do you mean we aren't getting LPIA apps in our images? [07:09] As far as I know, we are getting LPIA apps in our images. [07:09] HappyCamp_laptop, I built an LPIA image for mccasslin a couple days ago. But my claws email was not Hildonized [07:09] If you look at the install log, I am pretty sure you should be pulling in .lpia.deb files. [07:10] bspencer: what does dpkg --print-architecture in a shell print? === JayC_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-e9e3005881cc9643] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:11] lpia [07:12] bspencer: then I think you are getting lpia. Is that correct Mithrandir [07:12] correct [07:13] ok. agoliveira is there a way to look at the claws package itself? [07:13] what does apt-cache policy claws-mail say? [07:13] Mithrandir, right... just a se [07:13] c [07:13] claws-mail: [07:13] Installed: 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 [07:13] Candidate: 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 [07:13] Version table: [07:13] *** 2.10.0-3ubuntu3 0 [07:13] 500 http://ports.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages [07:13] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [07:14] bspencer: You mean look inside the package to see if it's hildonized or not? [07:15] agoliveira, does the above look correct for this package? [07:17] bspencer: It seens ok but as it does not say the arch I can't tell you if it's going to install the right package. [07:18] What does apt-cache show claws-mail | grep Arch says? [07:18] Architecture: lpia [07:18] did you hildonize the top menu? [07:19] bspencer: Sure [07:19] That's weird [07:19] :) [07:20] I have this package running here. Let me check this out. [07:22] here's what I see: http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/ [07:22] oops [07:22] here's what I see: http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/ claws.png [07:22] oops [07:22] oops [07:22] here's what I see: http://moblin.org/repos/users/bspencer/claws.png [07:22] :P [07:22] Does anyone actually have a working main application menu using only the gutsy repository? [07:22] bspencer: No, this is wrong. [07:23] but curiously cheese worked [07:23] Can you check galculator? [07:23] cheese is hildon [07:23] The top-left menu, not the home screen [07:24] mjg59, not I. But now that we have lpia builds I hope to figure out what is going on and fix it soon. [07:24] Ok [07:25] bspencer: Hmmm... I'll have to check what happened but I have the I think someone screwed my hildon interface in Claws :) HOld on... [07:28] agoliveira: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9157729/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.claws-mail_2.10.0-3ubuntu3_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz says "maemo build: no" [07:30] agoliveira: are you using the package from gutsy or one you built yourself? [07:30] Mithrandir: Yep. I'm checking. [07:30] agoliveira: current gutsy has pkg_cv_MAEMO_CFLAGS=`$PKG_CONFIG --cflags "libosso hildon-libs hildon-fm" 2>/dev/null` [07:30] that's old maemo stuff [07:31] mdz: Last time tested I think downloaded the package but it's being some time. [07:35] Mithrandir: Aren't those builds taken place on a chroot? Looks like the lpia packages are being forced on a i386 enviroment. [07:36] agoliveira: they're build in a chroot, yes. === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:38] Mithrandir: That's weird because I'm seeing a lot of "package architecture (lpia) does not match system (i386)" there and the building process itself seems to have detected a ix86 env. [07:40] agoliveira: I doubt that is the problem here. [07:40] your pkg-config call is failing because you're looking for old maemo packages. [07:41] Mithrandir: You are correct. I was checking why is that because I don't believe it was that way before. [07:41] agoliveira: it's been that way for lpia since the beginning. [07:43] Mithrandir: Strange, I'm quite sure it was working well, that's fine, I'll just fix it right now. === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:48] Let me just figured out why because this should not be happening as the patch looks ok. === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:54] rob_, you there? === rob_moblin [i=rob@nat/intel/x-a97f94dbcdc11e69] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:10] Mithrandir: Ok, found the problem. I just can't understand why I didn't spot it before as I'm quite sure I tested it and not only once. Well, I'll just fix it. [08:10] agoliveira, great, thx. [08:11] see bspencer I didn't think it was my fault :) [08:11] you never do [08:11] :P [08:11] even when it is ;) [08:11] HappyCamp: You're out of the hook... for now.... >:-) [08:11] usually its bob's noob factor [08:11] ;-) [08:11] agoliveira, that would be "off the hook" :) [08:12] i'm HappyCamp is at fault for something though [08:12] s/i'm/i'm sure/ [08:12] rob_moblin, Is not a native english speaker either ;) [08:12] yes it's true, English is my 2nd language [08:13] Same here :) Spanish was my first. But I forgot it all. [08:13] HappyCamp: I just reminded me that cartoon, Shaolin Showdown (I think that's the name). One of the characters there keeps doing the same kind of mistake :) === agoliveira just realizes that "out of the hook" *is* kind of silly :) [08:15] AaronL2, ping === matt_c is now known as RANDY === RANDY is now known as matt_c [08:19] agoliveira, :) === gary_l [n=Gary@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira hates quilt... === kyleN [n=kyle@fw.pepper.com] has left #ubuntu-mobile ["Leaving"] === mdz_ [n=mdz@ip-81-1-105-230.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === lucasr [n=lucasr@cs164220.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === AaronL2 [i=[27Sar86@onyx.spiritone.com] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [09:08] re === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === adam_b [n=adam@bumble.xosia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [10:00] Mithrandir: Can you refresh me about what happened to the tap-and-hold GTK patch? Isn't supposed to be on lpia or am I just getting old and confuse (39 in 10 days :( ) [10:01] agoliveira: not there, but alternate implementation in gtk 2.12, I thought [10:02] Mithrandir: I tought we would have it backported on lpia. Oh well, no big deal anyway. [10:02] maybe; ask seb tomorrow? [10:02] I'm off for today, see you tomorrow [10:03] Mithrandir: Yep. I will. [10:03] Mithrandir: Bye, have a good rest. === Praj_laptop [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-1f763d16d4ed500d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:10] agoliveira: you are 16 days older than me at least :) [10:11] ian_brasil: My wife's birthday is even closer, 01/11 [10:11] caramba...the same day as mine [10:15] she must be extremely clever, witty, talented and good looking as this day is reserved for people like this === kyleN [n=kyle@76.24.36.33] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:20] ian_brasil: I agree... and my wife, looking over my should at this very moment has absolutely nothing to do with it ... honest [10:21] ha ha [10:27] agoliveira, bad news http://www.news.com/iPod-cheap-in-Hong-Kong%2C-but-a-Brazil-bank-breaker/2100-1041_3-6211724.html?tag=nefd.top [10:28] HappyCamp: Not for me. I'll be the last person you will see with an ipod :) === jpan__ [i=jpan9@nat/intel/x-2f0b123cdd114e8c] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira have Nokia 770 and cellphone capable of handling audio and video so why should he cares? :) [10:31] agoliveira, I found it interesting how expensive that was in Brazil. [10:33] HappyCamp: Yes. The ridiculous taxes have a big role in that but there's also the "cool" factor. Ipod here is a rich kid's toy so the price goes sky high. [10:34] Ah [10:34] HappyCamp: If you want just play music and videos, there's plenty of cheap no-brand players around. === HappyCamp has an iPod === cypherbios [n=cyr@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:44] bug #146458 === agoliveira sees that ubutoid is not around here... === matt_c is now known as edge_case === HappyCamp [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-4902508981f22486] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === edge_case is now known as matt_c === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === renatofilho [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@137.147.45.66.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [12:51] so much for working on the theme [12:51] again [12:51] kinda silly really [12:51] blame me on not getting things done [12:51] oh well === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile