[12:38] <gnomefreak> but same as with all others the md5sum was wrong
[12:40] <gnomefreak> so this would fit into a SRU i guess since !info flashplugin-nonfree gives flash 7..... i can use 9 and use ubuntu1
[12:40] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: You mean you want to fix what is in -backports?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> the one in backports is broken due to md5sum mismatch but isnt that a acceptable for SRU instead of backports?
[12:42] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: Dapper RELEASE still has 7, and should probably stay that way.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> I doubt everybody would be using -backports for the upgrade to 9 if it was ever going to be accepted into -updates.
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Fixes for -backports go in -backports.
[12:43] <gnomefreak> cant it will never work than since 7 no longer has tarball on adobe site thats why the upgrade from 7 to 9 failed on md5sums
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Right, but I'm sure there's a good reason for not having 9 in -updates, and you're not about to change that.
[12:43] <gnomefreak> ok so ill fix it for backports and talk to one of them. that makes more sense
[12:44] <Fujitsu> Better still, fix it in Gutsy and rebackport it.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> been fixed an dbackported from gutsy
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i think
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Then what is there to fix?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: when they backported it (from feisty i just found out) it was before the md5sum issue was fixed or they didnt grab it from -proposed as im thin one that fixed it there so maybe from gutsy is better
[12:47] <gnomefreak> s/thin/the
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Didn't you just say it was backported from Gutsy?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: i doubled checked it was from feisty by the looks of it
[12:48] <Fujitsu> If it's fixed in Gutsy, backport it from Gutsy.
[12:48] <Fujitsu> Rather than introducing a new set of source changes.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ok ty building
[12:55] <minghua> Hi there Fujitsu, long time no see.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Hi minghua.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Yeah, school is making me rather busy at the moment.
[12:56] <Nightrose> ;-)
[01:52] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:57] <ScottK> Hi there.
[01:58] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[02:10] <zul> ScottK: ping
[02:11] <lamont> zul: any objections to us grabbing mlton from sid so that we can bootstrap it on amd64 while I'm doing the rest?
[02:11] <zul> lamont: none from me
[02:12] <lamont> cool.  that's an apathetic "WhatEvah" from you and ScottK --> win
[02:12] <zul> lamont: i mean yes of course!
[02:12] <lamont> nah.  apathy was all we wanted.
[02:12] <ajmitch> ScottK: do you have a PPA for clamav updates?
 ScottK: just to make sure, you're good with syncing the latest mlton from sid under the "What Evah..." clause?
 lamont: I am.  You need another apathetic motu-uvf too.
[02:13] <lamont> zul: like that. ^^
[02:13] <zul> lamont: heh
[02:14] <ajmitch> ScottK: as I understood it, you were considering the use of a team PPA for updates to it for various ubuntu releases
[02:53] <ScottK> ajmitch: No.  I've been doing them through *-backports for Feisty.
[02:54] <ajmitch> right, I just saw that
[02:54] <ajmitch> & that 0.91.2 will most likely need backported now
[02:54] <ScottK> I'm actually pretty strongly opposed to the current PPA ToS.
[02:54] <ajmitch> so I've noticed
[02:54] <ScottK> ajmitch: I'm waiting to make sure we're done before I backport that one.
[02:55] <lamont> ScottK: zul: please attach a comment to bug 148804
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148804 in mlton "Please sync mlton (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148804
[02:55] <ScottK> I'm also just about to give a pretty strong reaction to the LP "Here's how you'll do you work because we are in charge." discussion on ubuntu-devel.
[02:56] <ScottK> lamont: Done
[02:56] <lamont> thanks both
[02:56] <zul> hah hah leafs suck
[02:59] <zul> damn you ajmitch
[03:01] <ajmitch> zul: excuse me?
[03:01] <zul> the unmetdeps bugs you opened
[03:01] <ajmitch> meh, deal with it
[03:27] <bddebian> Rough crowd
[04:11] <donspaulding> is a meta-package simply a control file with Dependencies listed?
[04:14] <StevenK> donspaulding: Basically. debian/control, debian/changelog, a minimal debian/rules and a postinst if you must
[04:15] <donspaulding> StevenK: would this discussion be better in #ubuntu-devel?
[04:15] <StevenK> donspaulding: Either here, or there.
[04:15] <ajmitch> OT in -devel? unpossible
[04:16] <donspaulding> although there appears that there are a good number of people on both
[04:19] <bddebian> *cough*
[06:51] <ScottK> Zombie: I saw this and thought you might appreciate it if you hadn't already seen it: http://www.mandriva.com/company/press/pr/russian_public_agencies_choose_mandriva
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[07:53] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Ah, I love it when people register random projects, set ubuntu-security as the security contact, make it a part of debian-project, create some blueprints, and say the the Debian Collaboration Team is the approver of one.
[08:16] <Fujitsu> *that the
[08:17] <Amaranth> example?
[08:17] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Wow, that's special
[08:17] <Fujitsu> debimag
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Oh, and it uses the Debian BTS too, apparently.
[08:19] <Amaranth> The debiandevelopers team is sad
[08:19] <StevenK> Isn't that just elmo?
[08:19] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Last time I checked, yeah.
[08:19] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:19] <StevenK> I think that's an arefact of LP because it can't have a group with no owner
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Woo, thanks LP.
[08:23] <Fujitsu> I can't even unassign the team.
[08:23] <StevenK> Heh
[08:24] <Fujitsu> I get all the right buttons, but it is verboten, it seems.
[08:28] <Flannel> Fujitsu: Only the owner can change the owner, I know that much.  Well, or higher-ups (admins)
[08:29] <Fujitsu> Flannel: Yeah, it looks that way. (bug #137846)
[08:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137846 in blueprint "random people can assign you to a specification" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137846
[09:09] <Lutin> hi there
[09:10] <dholbach> hey Lutin
[09:10] <Lutin> heya dholbach
[09:12] <Lutin> mhh...I'm trying to make a custom livecd, with a custom sources.list. however when I try to install the system, it gets replaces by the default sources.list ... any clue about what could cause such a behavior ?
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> Lutin: I don't actually know, and it's 2 am so I'm going to bed, but it might be that there's something in a preseed configuration overwriting that?
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> That's all I've got at this time.
[09:14] <Lutin> tonyyarusso: thanks for the hint :). however, looked around and haven't been able to find any preseed so far :/
[09:14] <Lutin> ubiquity seems to use apt-setup to generate it, but the code is a little obscure to me
[09:14] <highvoltage> !seen norsetto
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen norsetto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <Simon80> does any developer want to merge bochsbios from debian, to fix Bug #123185?
[09:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123185 in bochs "bochsbios too old for Windows XP with qemu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123185
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> highvoltage: (use seenserv instead)
[09:17] <highvoltage> tonyyarusso: (ok thanks ;) )
[09:18] <mekius> tonyyarusso: btw, where do you live, 2am here as well :)
[09:19] <\sh> moins
[10:05] <siretart> morning folks
[10:05] <siretart> dholbach: is somone is asking for me next week, I'm effectivly offline from tomorrow until next friday
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hi siretart
[10:06] <siretart> hey Hobbsee
[10:08] <dholbach> siretart: vacation?
[10:11] <siretart> dholbach: yes, I'll be in suedtirol with my gf until tuesday, and then on a buisness trip the next 2 days
[10:11] <dholbach> siretart: nice... have a good time there!
[10:11] <siretart> thanks! :)
[10:15] <dholbach> take away features?
[10:17] <Hobbsee> dholbach: information portal for one - the one that had the maintainer, version, etc in it.
[10:18] <dholbach> sacrifice a goat... haha
[10:19] <Hobbsee> dholbach: :)
[10:34] <geser> morning
[10:34] <Fujitsu> Hi geser.
[11:20] <wolfger> ping dholbach
[11:21] <dholbach> wolfger: pong
[11:22] <wolfger> Hi. I was working through the package update recipe on the weekend, and ran into some problems
[11:22] <wolfger> I asked if I should update the wiki to reflect the problems I had, and was told to ping you during the week
[11:23] <wolfger> problem one was no fakeroot installed, and recipe didn't mention it
[11:23] <dholbach> wolfger: which recipe was that?
[11:23] <dholbach> wolfger: fixing on packageupdate recipe
[11:23] <wolfger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate
[11:24] <dholbach> fixed
[11:24] <dholbach> thanks :)
[11:24] <wolfger> problem two was a problem with gpg.conf
[11:24] <wolfger> by default there is a setting "use-agent". That prevented me being able to sign.
[11:25] <wolfger> had to change setting to "no-use-agent"
[11:25] <dholbach> really?
[11:25] <dholbach> I never had that problem before
[11:26] <wolfger> yeah, that problem took 3 people in here, and about an hour to figure out
[11:26] <dholbach> do you use seahorse or something?
[11:27] <wolfger> lol. No, I was asked that.
[11:27] <wolfger> I do have kgpg installed, but wasn't "using" it.
[11:27] <wolfger> from gpg.conf:
[11:27] <wolfger> # For Ubuntu we now use-agent by default to support more automatic
[11:27] <wolfger> # use of GPG and S/MIME encryption by GUI programs.
[11:28] <Hobbsee> wolfger: did you have pinentry-qt installed?
[11:28] <wolfger> shutting that off cleared the problem right up
[11:28] <wolfger> let me check
[11:28] <dholbach> I wonder if 'no-use-agent' will block seahorse people out....
[11:29] <dholbach> might be that that's part of this upload
[11:29] <dholbach> gnupg (1.4.6-2ubuntu3) gutsy; urgency=low
[11:29] <dholbach>   [ Scott Kitterman ] 
[11:29] <dholbach>   * Add 'debian/patches/60_install_options_skel.dpatch': Patch to
[11:29] <dholbach>     install options file from upstream (LP: #76983)
[11:29] <dholbach>   * Add 'debian/patches/61_use_agent_default.dpatch': Patch to set gpg
[11:29] <dholbach>     (or gpg2) and gpgsm to use a passphrase agent by default (LP: #15485)
[11:29] <wolfger> no, I don't have pinetry-qt installed
[11:29] <dholbach>   * Add 'debian/patches/70_trust_error.dpatch': Patch to disallow illegal
[11:29] <dholbach>     zero response for trust level changes (LP: #39459)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> wolfger: installe it, then.
[11:30] <dholbach> wolfger: I'm not sure what your problem is about
[11:30] <dholbach> wolfger: I'll try it in a fresh chroot
[11:30] <dholbach> wolfger: I added fakeroot to a couple of other places, so thanks for that
[11:30] <Hobbsee> we install pinentry-qt by default now on kubuntu intsalls, btw
[11:30] <wolfger> dholbach: thanks. I installed pinetry-qt
[11:30] <huats> morning all
[11:31] <Hobbsee> so that should actually be fixed for gutsy and beyond
[11:31] <Hobbsee> (but it's only recommends, so currently doesnt help those who dist-upgraded without --install-recommends)
[11:31] <wolfger> I'll have to check my Gutsy and make sure that's there
[11:32] <huats> dholbach: hello
[11:32] <dholbach> hey huats
[11:32] <wolfger> so the thought is that with pinetry-qt I can put my gpg.conf back to "use-agent"?
[11:32] <huats> dholbach: you already mentionned to who I can ask question about firefox stuffs, but I forgot...
[11:33] <norsetto> morning all
[11:33] <norsetto> huats: asacks
[11:33] <huats> norsetto: hey
[11:33] <huats> norsetto: thanks
[11:33] <huats> norsetto: :-)
[11:33] <norsetto> huats: his IRC is asac though
[11:34] <huats> norsetto: ok
[11:34] <huats> asac: ping
[11:34] <huats> :-)
[11:34] <norsetto> huats: seems like the Master is busy .....
[11:34] <huats> norsetto: I guess so...
[11:35] <dholbach> huats: asac
[11:36] <asac> what can i do?
[11:36] <asac> haha
[11:36] <dholbach> :-)
[11:37] <huats> asac: hey... as you can see you have been named as "the person I can ask about firefox stuffs :-)"
[11:37] <asac> huats: we hav a team :) ... #ubuntu-mozillateam
[11:37] <huats> asac: oups
[11:37] <asac> huats: though at this point of time, I am probably the only one awake :-D
[11:38] <dholbach> asac: if you have a free moment (not urgent, it's hardy material anyway), there's bug 121302 for you :)
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121302 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gecko-media-player" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121302
[11:38] <huats> asac: ok....
[11:39] <huats> asac: I am working on bug #137513
[11:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137513 in torbutton "[UNMETDEPS]  torbutton: auto-synced, depends on iceweasel" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137513
[11:40] <huats> ans I'd like to know where do I put the images that are in the skin ? since it is not a good idea (according to lintian) to put them in /usr/lib/firefox/extension/<name_of_the_extension>
[11:41] <huats> asac: and first : is /usr/lib/firefox/extension is the right place to store extension (their are well recognised)
[11:41] <asac> huats: does your extension contain _any_ architecture dependent file?
[11:42] <norsetto> dholbach: hardy material, I like that :-)
[11:42] <huats> let me check
[11:42] <asac> if not you could put everything in /usr/share/NAME_OF_EXTENSION
[11:42] <asac> and then create a link to /usr/lib/firefox/extension/
[11:44] <huats> asac: I think there is no architecture dependent, since there is only xul, css, png and js files....
[11:48] <huats> asac: just to be sure, I create a rep : /usr/share/firefox/torbuton or /usr/share/torbutton (since torbutton is the name of this extension ?)
[11:52] <norsetto> asac: re. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=332, thanks for looking into it, I would really appreciate any input you have on it
[11:53] <asac> huats: yes ... and take care that the link that you create in /usr/lib/firefox/extension has the name of the em:id in install.rdf
[11:53] <asac> norsetto: what does gecko-mediaplayer do?
[11:53] <norsetto> asac: play media embedded in a browser, using gnome-mplayer and mplayer
[11:54] <huats> asac: ok for the link...
[11:55] <asac> norsetto: whats new about that?
[11:55] <norsetto> asac: who said it was new?
[11:56] <asac> oh it isn't ;)
[11:56] <asac> i just know about mozilla-mplayer
[11:56] <asac> so i wonder what is this
[11:57] <asac> norsetto: please take a look at mozilla-mplayer or gnash or any other ffox plugin ... look at debian/control
[11:57] <asac> norsetto: you need to add some Npp- headers in order to make the plugin available in firefox plugin finder service for the served content types
[11:58] <norsetto> asac: good point
[12:01] <norsetto> asac: btw, are u available to take up a new pupil?
[12:01] <asac> i think not before gutsy release. but after that yes.
[12:01] <norsetto> asac: ok thx
[12:14] <proppy> hi
[12:14] <proppy> norsetto: hi welcome back !
[12:14] <norsetto> Hola proppy
[12:15] <proppy> norsetto: btw I've requested the backport of poker-engine as well
[12:15] <norsetto> proppy: ok, that would solve the problem but scottk wasn't very keen on it
[12:15] <BugMaN> norsetto: hi :)
[12:16] <proppy> I was already processed by the archive
[12:16] <proppy> according to the mail I received yesterady
[12:16] <norsetto> bugman: hi there
[12:17] <proppy> context bug #95836
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95836 in poker-network "[apport]  twistd crashed with OperationalError in __init__()" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95836
[12:19] <proppy> norsetto: How about the mentoring thing ?
[12:19] <amarillion> Hello, I have a question: I'm trying to get pbuilder to build with local packages according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-5e51532fca6153405af36a03364e03803e99edcf. However, when I do pbuilder build, it doesn't find any of the packages I added to my local repo
[12:19] <norsetto> proppy: yes, sorry about that but your (tobe) mentor is not yet back, next week he should be in
[12:19] <proppy> s/How/What
[12:20] <proppy> norsetto: Ok np, was just asking
[12:20] <proppy> norsetto: thanks a lot for taking care of this
[12:20] <norsetto> amarillion: did you use --overrideconfig?
[12:20] <amarillion> Yes, the problem seems to be with bindmounts, because when I do pbuilder login, I don't see anything in the bound directory
[12:21] <norsetto> amarillion: just when it starts it should issue a meesagge about the mounted dirs, check if it is reported there
[12:23] <amarillion> norsetto: I don't see that message, apparently it's not binding. Can I simply try "sudo pbuilder update --bindmounts /usr/local/src/archive/" to fix it?
[12:24] <norsetto> amarillion: you should also add --othermirror and--overrideconfig though
[12:25] <amarillion> ok
[12:30] <tormod> I see "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" some places, "Original-Maintainer" in other. What is correct, or is there a difference?
[12:33] <amarillion> norsetto, it doesn't work yet. I've tried: "DIST=feisty sudo pbuilder update --bindmounts /usr/local/src/archive/ --override-config --othermirror "deb file:///usr/local/src/archive/ feisty/"
[12:33] <amarillion> Here is what I get when I subsequently try to use pbuilder: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39519/
[12:33] <DarkMageZ> tormod, i believe it depends where the package came from. if it's imported from debian then it needs xsbc-ori as the debian maintainer. if not then original-maintainer as whoever is the maintainer.
[12:34] <amarillion> I must be making a typo somewhere, it doesn't mount that directory
[12:34] <norsetto> amarillion: at least it is mounted now: -> Mounting /usr/local/src/archive/
[12:34] <tormod> what does xsbc mean anyway?
[12:35] <StevenK> eXtra field, Source package, Binary package, Changes file
[12:35] <tormod> thanks
[12:36] <amarillion> Hmmm, but when I do "sudo pbuilder login" a while later it's not mounting.
[12:36] <norsetto> amarillion: well, err.... you don't have any deb in there!?
[12:36] <amarillion> yes I do locally, not within the chroot, that's the problem
[12:36] <amarillion> check line 46 of that paste
[12:37] <amarillion> Oh I get it, do I have to specify the bindmounts each time I run pbuilder?
[12:37] <norsetto> amarillion: yes, thats what I'm saying
[12:37] <norsetto> amarillion: you have no .deb(s) in your local repo
[12:38] <amarillion> oh hmmm
[12:39] <norsetto> amarillion: and yes, you have to add the bindmounts every time
[12:39] <norsetto> amarillion: unless the package its kept in the cache (which I don't know, check it out)
[12:40] <amarillion> I'm starting to understand. I guess I have to create the deb before I do "sudo dput local foo*.changes" to add it to the local repo
[12:40] <amarillion> I didn't doo that yet
[12:41] <norsetto> amarillion: and remember to update your Packages too (most probably its just empty now)
[12:42] <amarillion> oh, how do I do that? With mini-dinstall?
[12:42] <huats> asac: if you find the time can you have a look at bug #137513 ? I've posted a debdiff...
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137513 in torbutton "[UNMETDEPS]  torbutton: auto-synced, depends on iceweasel" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137513
[12:46] <asac> huats_: really sucks that debian still names the target application in the extension package name
[12:46] <asac> huats_: this package should be just named torbutton-extension imo
[12:46] <asac> otherwise it looks good i guess
[12:46] <asac> huats_: well ... where do you ensure that torbutton is in /usr/share/firefox-extensions/torbutton
[12:47] <asac> ?
[12:47] <asac> huats_: oh i see .install
[12:49] <asac> huats_: where does the debian package install the extension?
[12:56] <amarillion> norsetto: I got it working now, thanks!
[12:56] <norsetto> amarillion: glad it does
[01:01] <soren> ScottK: Thanks for the ack on mediawiki.
[01:07] <pkern> huats_: So we have a working fix for #137513, which does not eat 100% CPU?
[01:07] <pkern> huats_: Is there a reason you did not subscribe universe-sponsors?
[01:32] <huats> asac: sorry I was out...
[01:33] <huats> pkern: I have launched it many times , and apparently it doesn't eat 100% of CPU
[01:34] <huats> pkern: regarding the u-u-s, I just asked asac for a quick review... in order to avoid a lot of unnecessary work for the universe-sponsors... but if everything is correct, it'll be my next move (to subscribe u-u-s)
[01:35] <huats> asac: the debian package only install the extension for iceweasel (and thus only depend on it)... that was problem to be fixed...
[01:40] <jussi01> could someone remind me of the command to check a .desktop file for errors?
[01:40] <asac> huats: the distributed .deb should contain only one copy of the extensions files ... please put a symlink to the iceweasel directory as well
[01:40] <huats> asac: ok
[01:40] <asac> huats: when that is done ask me to take a look again. If its good we should send it to debian as well
[01:40] <huats> asac: ok. I'll do that right now...
[01:48] <huats> pkern: what can I do about your comment ?
[01:56] <Fujitsu> jussi01: desktop-file-validate?
[01:56] <jussi01> Fujitsu: ahh, yeah, thanks :) do i need a certain package for it?
[01:58] <Fujitsu> !find desktop-file-validate
[01:58] <huats> jussi01: desktop-file-utils
[01:58] <ubotu> File desktop-file-validate found in desktop-file-utils
[01:59] <jussi01> thanks :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> TheMuso: is it possible to make installing ubuntustudio-desktop leave ubuntu-desktop installed? i dont care much for ubuntu-sounds but those 2 are removed when installed
[02:31] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: No, as the sounds package conflicts with the ubuntu one.
[02:31] <TheMuso> As they share the same dirs.
[02:32] <gnomefreak> figured as much
[02:32] <gnomefreak> cant include both sound packages i guess?
[02:34] <TheMuso> Um, no.
[02:37] <_MMA_> In either case, the sounds arent working anyway. :(
[02:40] <_MMA_> gnomefreak: And installing ubuntustudio-desktop over ubuntu-desktop doesnt get you anything but the theme. Best to just grab the theme manually. Our -desktop in just slimmer than Ubuntu's. So if what we took out is already there, there isnt much point other than the theme.
[02:40] <gnomefreak> _MMA_: ah ok
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:41] <_MMA_> np. Might grab the -rt kernel though. So much has moved recently my brain is scrambled.
[02:45] <elmargol> Can someone please check if "deb http://gnunet.org/download/debian/ feisty universe" works?
[02:45] <elmargol> I have some error reports :(
[03:08] <cprov> hi guys, can someone help me to investigate a PPA build failure ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9721899/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.pingus_0.7.1-1%7Efeisty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:09] <cprov> I suspect the source should depend on python and possibly python-dev, but I'm not sure, can someone, please,  provide a final word about it ?
[03:10] <zul> cprov: i think you want python and python-dev-all rather than python-central but dont quote me on it
[03:10] <Fujitsu> cprov: python, and perhaps python-all-dev.
[03:11] <Fujitsu> But apt-get installing scons in a minimal chroot here works fine...
[03:11] <cprov> right, thank you (comments going on on #launchpad too)
[03:40] <huats> pkern: ping
[03:55] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:22] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:25] <bddebian> Hi geser
[04:47] <huats> asac: I've modified the fix to bug  #137513 as you told me..
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137513 in torbutton "[UNMETDEPS]  torbutton: auto-synced, depends on iceweasel" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137513
[04:47] <huats> asac: there is a comment from pkern  and I don't know what to do with it...
[04:55] <geser> huats: the question is if it's a wise choice to have a iceweasel-torbutton package depending on firefox?
[04:55] <huats> geser:
[04:55] <huats> no
[04:55] <geser> what about renaming the whole (binary) package to firefox-torbutton?
[04:55] <huats> geser: the question is : is it wise to call it starting with iceweasel
[04:56] <huats> geser: the thing is that it is for iceweasel OR firefox
[04:57] <huats> so it annoyed me a lot to call it firefox-torbutton
[04:58] <geser> has it to depend on iceweasel which isn't in Ubuntu? why not depend only on Firefox?
[04:58] <asac> huats: the extension should be added to the extension application data of app-install ... in that way it will be shown when you press "Get Ubuntu Addons" in firefox Addons dialog
[04:58] <huats> geser: I think it is better for compatibily with debian non ?
[05:00] <huats> asac: what about the name problem ?
[05:00] <huats> asac: regarding the "Get Ubuntu Addons" this means that I have to change the app-install-data package too ?
[05:01] <geser> without renaming the Ubuntu<->Debian delta smaller but I don't know if it gets ever included in Debian or if we have to keep it forever
[05:04] <asac> huats: maybe its in there already
[05:04] <asac> huats: give it a try
[05:05] <lamont> ScottK: wanna know something funny?
[05:05] <huats> asac: I am trying right now
[05:05] <lamont> mlton 20070826-1?  ICE FTBFS
[05:17] <huats> asac:  I cannot find the "Get Ubuntu Addons", but since I am running tribe 4, that should be the reason....
[05:17] <huats> asac: I'll try to get a beta very soon.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> huats: why not just do the daily updates?
[05:19] <huats> because I do not have internet @home for a few times (I juste moved)... I cannot plug my laptop to my company network...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:48] <norsetto> am I wrong, or updates from motu do not need sponsorship?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> bwa?
[05:49] <norsetto> brgbr?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> updates from motu do not need sponsoring, otherwise what's the point of being a motu?
[05:50] <norsetto> Hobbsee: he, better safe than sorry :-)
[05:50] <jussi01> hello everyone
[05:51] <norsetto> jussi01: hey there
[05:51] <jussi01> hiya norsetto
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> mekius: Minnesota, USA
[06:28] <mekius> tonyyarusso: ah, to the north then :)
[06:40] <ScottK> lamont: FTBFS on all archs?
[06:41] <lamont> ScottK: well, hppa hasn't tried yet, and I haven't done the in-launchpad build on amd64 (which will succeed)
[06:41] <lamont> and since gutsy isn't so picky about all arches being current for release, I figure I'll let the ftbfs work itself out in hardy
[06:41] <ScottK> Did i386 work?  That's the only one we had before, so as long as that works we can file the rest under at least there's no regression.
[06:52] <ScottK> soren: You're welcome.
[06:52] <ScottK> norsetto: I gave up on poker-network SRU as too hard.
[06:53] <norsetto> scottk: welcome in the club :-)
[06:58] <norsetto> scottk: actually, proppy was telling me something about it this morning
[06:59] <ScottK> norsetto: Yes.  That's why I commented.  I just read the scrollback.
[06:59] <norsetto> scottk: ok, silly me ....
[07:01] <norsetto> scottk: wasn't he saying that he backported poker-engine already? Or thats what I understood
[07:01] <zul> whats poker-network btw?
[07:01] <norsetto> zul: the one that is giving me still nightmares
[07:02] <ScottK> norsetto: Yes.  I believe that's right.
[07:02] <zul> norsetto: oh
[07:02] <norsetto> scottk: ok, so whats the problem in backporting poker-network now?
[07:02] <ScottK> norsetto: Should be fine now.
[07:09] <Kopfgeldjaeger> where should i add "~feisty1" or "~gutsy1" in this version :-> "1:2.4~svn20071002-0ubuntu1~ppa7"? at the end?
[07:14] <stdin> Kopfgeldjaeger: the end should be ok yeah
[07:14] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ok, thanks
[07:53] <Kmos> bug 132221 - comment on it
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132221 in devscripts "requestsync: Add latest debian version to the title of the bug" [Wishlist,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132221
[08:18] <LaserJock> holy cow, these openSUSE people know how to do a mirror
[08:18] <LaserJock> I just got the openSUSE 10.3 DVD at 10M/s
[08:19] <zul> cool...traitor ;)
[08:20] <LaserJock> well, I did those beta comparisons so I figure I better do one last review of the final product
[08:20] <LaserJock> if their package management hasn't improved drastically it won't stay installed for long
[08:24] <ScottK> LaserJock: Of course another thought is that the demand is signifcantly less than they'd expected so bandwidth is plentiful.
[08:24] <LaserJock> somehow I kinda doubt that, but maybe
[08:25] <LaserJock> our mirrors get absolutely slammed
[08:25] <ScottK> I have no idea really, but it is at least possible that the whole Microsoft deal fallout hurth them more than they anticipated.
[08:25] <mdomsch> they do a good job with their mirroring
[08:25] <Nafallo> LaserJock: I get that from Ubuntu...
[08:26] <LaserJock> Nafallo: get what? 10M/s?
[08:26] <Nafallo> LaserJock: yea, at least.
[08:26] <LaserJock> shesh
[08:26] <LaserJock> I get ~150K/s from Ubuntu
[08:27] <LaserJock> maybe up to 400K/s max
[08:27] <Nafallo> hmm. I cheat though :-P
[08:29] <LaserJock> I need to convince my uni that the need to have a local mirror
[08:29] <Nafallo> HOST: lumberjack                  Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
[08:29] <Nafallo>   1. 195.72.129.225                0.0%    10    0.5  41.1   0.5 171.0  57.8
[08:29] <Nafallo>   2. ubuntu.datahop.it             0.0%    10    0.6   0.5   0.5   0.6   0.0
[08:41] <pkern> Our Debian mirror at university is fun. They use some custom mirroring software which leaves an inconsistent state sometimes. And the mirror is one of the busiest net segments so it's even slow.
[08:42] <pkern> To the extend that we get 10M/s from server far away but not from our local mirror.
[08:43] <rexbron> Hey, would anyone be able to tell me the policy on what the distrobution field on the changelog should be when publishing to a PPA
[08:43] <rexbron> ?
[08:43] <pkern> rexbron: The one you target.
[08:44] <pkern> rexbron: You might need to adapt the *section*.
[08:45] <rexbron> pkern: in debian/control?
[08:45] <pkern> Aye.
[08:45] <rexbron> pkern: It is a qt app, currently I have it listed as kde? Is there something better?
[08:46] <pkern> rexbron: universe/kde if you need the deps to be satisfied from universe.
[08:47] <rexbron> pkern: and if they are all in main?
[08:47] <rexbron> Section: kde
[08:47] <rexbron> ?
[08:47] <pkern> Aye.
[08:48] <rexbron> cool
[08:50] <pkern> Wasn't there some kind of Ruby metapackage?
[08:57] <geser> pkern: for the default ruby interpreter? ruby
[08:58] <Kmos> and ror ?
[08:58] <Kmos> RoR
[08:58] <Kmos> geser: bug 132221
[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132221 in ubuntu-dev-tools "requestsync: Add latest debian version to the title of the bug" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132221
[08:59] <pkern> geser: For the standard library.
[09:00] <geser> ruby pulls in ruby1.8 which pulls in libruby1.8. is that enough for you?
[09:01] <geser> there seems to be only one RoR package in the archive: rails
[09:01] <pkern> geser: The description of ruby1.8 is misleading \:
[09:02] <pkern> rdoc1.8 and ri1.8 are suggestions.
[09:05] <geser> python also only suggests the -doc package
[09:21] <proppy> hi
[09:22] <proppy> ScottK: any nightware with poker-network ?
[09:22] <proppy> let me know if I can help
[09:24] <ScottK> I haven't had a chance to look at backports bugs since the first one got processed.  I will.
[09:24] <proppy> You mean it popped a bug just after being processed ?
[09:27] <proppy> I didn't receive any bugmail, even if I'm in bug contact
[09:28] <lamont> pool/universe/m/mlton/mlton_20061107-1_hppa.deb
[09:28] <lamont> ScottK: hppa didn't mind the new bits
[09:29] <ScottK> Cool
[09:29] <ScottK> lamont: How is i386?
[09:29] <lamont> and I know amd64 will build
[09:29] <lamont> ICE
[09:29] <lamont> i386 is ICE
[09:29] <ScottK> Acronym alert....  What is ICE?
[09:29] <lamont> as in "Internal Compiler Error"
[09:29] <proppy> Internal Compiler Error
[09:29] <ScottK> That's certainly not good.
[09:30] <lamont> iz feature
[09:30] <lamont> fixed in hardy
[09:30] <ScottK> lamont: Could that be because you bootstrapped it from an earlier version?
[09:30] <lamont> no.
[09:30] <lamont> it's generating C code that tickles gcc into dying
[09:30] <lamont> ICE is always a gcc bug
[09:30] <lamont> frequently, it's already fixed upstream
[09:31] <lamont> and upstream (gcc project) doesn't care until you reproduce it on top-of-tree
[09:31] <proppy> lamont: so right
[09:32] <lamont> proppy: and rightly so, I epect
[09:32] <lamont> expect
[09:32] <norsetto> zut, apparently we can't add file in sparky
[09:33] <proppy> lamont: getting an ICE which is not already fixed in HEAD, is something that definitly reward a tons of beer
[09:34] <lamont> that would mean something if I liked beer
[09:34] <proppy> s/beer/milk
[09:35] <lamont> heh
[10:15] <RainCT> hi
[10:17] <ScottK> Hello
[10:18] <RainCT> where can I change the mail address used by dch, debuild, etc?
[10:19] <Adri2000> RainCT: DEBEMAIL environment variable
[10:19] <pwnguin> RainCT: set DEBMAIL in your .bashrc (or whatever shell you like)
[10:20] <pwnguin> DEBEMAIL even
[10:20] <RainCT> ah right, thanks
[10:20] <pwnguin> might as well hit DEBFULLNAME while you're at it as well
[10:33] <_polto_> hello all
[10:38] <_polto_> how could i propose a patch for mplayer to be applied ? We use Ubuntu as default distribution for our network cameras ( www.elphel.com & wiki.elphel.com ) and we have always to patch mplayer. I did a Launchpad PPA and uploaded a patched player, it work nice. So do we have to use our own package in our PPA or can you accept this patch ? http://downloads.sourceforge.net/elphel/MPlayer-1.0rc1-1.tgz?modtime=1169061782&big_mirror=0
[10:40] <norsetto> _polto_: personally, I think you should propose the patch upstream
[10:41] <ScottK> norsetto: OTOH, it it's not a risky patch, why not take it here in the meantime?
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> Nafallo: mplayer question from _polto_ ^^
[10:41] <norsetto> scottk: risky in terms of security?
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> norsetto: and regressions
[10:42] <ScottK> norsetto: I was thinking risky in terms of regression, but sure, that too.
[10:42] <Nafallo> s/Nafallo/Fujitsu/
[10:42] <pwnguin> ScottK: well, what if mplayer refuses it?
[10:42] <ScottK> pwnguin: Then we have functionality that can't be gotten elsewhere.
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> Nafallo: oh - you're listed as the contact on LP
[10:42] <_polto_> yeh, it make just work mplayer with our 3 MPixel video stream :) and our network cameras are using GNU/Linux and GPL'ed FPGA video compressor.
[10:43] <norsetto> scottK: the patch seems intrusive to me, without knowing mplayer in detail
[10:43] <Nafallo> tonyyarusso: have the URL?
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> Nafallo: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/
[10:43] <pwnguin> the mplayer source code is terrible
[10:44] <Nafallo> hehe. that explains why I still get bugmail :-P
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> heh
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> _polto_: See if you can contact Fujitsu rather, then.
[10:44] <_polto_> mplayer do not really refuse but since 3 years of meeting at Linux TAG do not apply it :( i personally seen Diego, Alex and others many times bout without any bugfixig :(
[10:45] <Nafallo> tonyyarusso: fixed, thanks. Fujitsu and motumedia is the current maintainers.
[10:45] <Nafallo> s/is/are/
[10:45] <_polto_> ok, i'll send a mail to them . Thanks.
[10:46] <ScottK> _polto_: Fujitsu is generally here, but I'd imagine he's probably sleeping right now.
[10:46] <_polto_> yep
[10:47] <_polto_> hmm what is Fujitsu's Launchpad member name ?
[10:48] <geser> http://launchpad.net/~fujitsu
[10:49] <Nafallo> fujitsu at ubuntu.com surely?
[10:49] <tonyyarusso> yep
[10:50] <tonyyarusso> the addresses just use your LP id, so if that link works, that e-mail will work
[10:52] <pkern> tonyyarusso: Only if the person in question is a member. And as the sync is manual a change to the email address might take weeks to apply.
[10:53] <tonyyarusso> pkern: true
[10:57] <_polto_> just for people who are interested in OpenHardware : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3616515426451811910&q=user%3A%22Google+engEDU%22&total=333&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
[10:58] <gnomefreak> `/win 10
[10:58] <_polto_> it's Andrey's talk about the camera, about how the open source helped him and how he did come to open hardware ..
[10:58] <_polto_> :)
[10:58] <nicolai__> gn8
[10:59] <norsetto> quiz: you have a patch ready, you wait some weeks to collect some more (you don't), you release the patch, what happens after half an hour?
[11:28] <RainCT> good night
[11:51] <bddebian> Later folks