[01:21] <hansoffate|work> hmm, currently i only have a 3800+ for this build
[01:22] <hansoffate|work> i hope/think it will be enough
[01:22] <laga> superm1: i'm adding the maintenance stuff to mcc now. i'd like to add xfs_fsr for defrag. can i depend on xfsdump and maybe on schedutils (for ionice)?
[01:22] <hansoffate|work> with 2 gigs of ram
[01:22] <Daviey> onboard graphics, surely don't use any more CPU than a slot?!
[01:22] <directhex> mpeg2 you could get away with any reasonable single-core chip. h264 you'll need dual core and to wait for another ffmpeg merge into mythtv
[01:22] <directhex> Daviey, correct. they eat away at system memory, but that's the only "bad" effect
[01:24] <hansoffate|work> hmmm.  damnit.  I really wish I was on IRC before I ordered almost all my parts 3 weeks ago
[01:25] <hansoffate|work> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128056
[01:25] <directhex> hansoffate|work, HDMI and DVI have identical video capabilities, which is why you can buy cheap convertors. hdmi also (optionally) carries audio signals though
[01:25] <laga> oddly enough, i often wish i'd never ever heard of IRC
[01:25] <hansoffate|work> so if I used that mobo, i didn't have to get another video card?
[01:25] <tgm4883> FYI hdmi is over hyped
[01:25] <laga> "hyped"? how can DRM be hyped?
[01:25] <directhex> hansoffate|work, ati chipset? avoid like the plague
[01:26] <directhex> hdmi doesn't mandate drm
[01:26] <directhex> and, more to the point, dvi can also carry hdcp drm
[01:26] <laga> didn't know that about DVI. anyways, that's even one more reason why it's overrated
[01:27] <tgm4883> hdmi was forced down the consumers throat.
[01:27] <directhex> tgm4883, it's a 1-cable solution. people like 1-cable solutions. look at the success of SCART in europe
[01:27] <laga> SCART rocks.
[01:27] <laga> well, except for plugging it in.
[01:28] <tgm4883> directhex, although I agree with this, it is not my opinion.  But that of many others on an actual video forum
[01:28] <hansoffate|work> directhex - well at least the mobo that I got right now is nvidia chipset
[01:28] <directhex> HDMI is, to most intents & purposes, "HD SCART". treat it as such
[01:28] <tgm4883> also, if SCART is so great, why spend millions in R&D to develop HDMI
[01:29] <directhex> tgm4883, because SCART can only carry composite, s-video, or rgb, at SD resolutions, with stereo audio
[01:29] <tgm4883> ah
[01:29] <tgm4883> FYI, the only people who care about 1 cable solutions are people that don't know what they are dealing with anyway
[01:29] <directhex> hansoffate|work, ati graphics are a terrible choice for linux, and their motherboard chipsets have always been dodgy too
[01:29] <directhex> tgm4883, so what alternative do you propose?
[01:30] <tgm4883> These are the same people that buy the $100 hdmi cable because it is the best
[01:30] <pdragon04> think AMD releasing the specs for their ATI hardware will change that eventually?
[01:30] <directhex> pdragon04, eventually. but not today
[01:31] <tgm4883> HDMI is a multi cable solution anyway. Just instead of having a cable go from my DVD player to my TV and to my sound system.  Now I have to have a cable go from my DVD player to my TV, then to my sound system
[01:31] <directhex> tgm4883, the highest quality analog method would be 9 cables
[01:32] <hansoffate|work> hmm, so, what if I use dvi.  How do i get audio to the tv?  Right now the way I have my SD myth box running is just by an Analog 1/8" connection to RCA
[01:32] <directhex> tgm4883, Y, Pb, Pr, Center, Sub, Left, Right, Surround Left, Surround Right
[01:32] <directhex> hansoffate|work, that's an option
[01:32] <tgm4883> directhex, you forget about dvi?
[01:32] <hansoffate|work> sorry, im really new to this, and im trying to learn this because eventually I want to get an HDTV, plus my friend wants to pay me to build him a box
[01:33] <directhex> tgm4883, dvi and hdmi are identical, for video. but what about audio?
[01:33] <hansoffate|work> same question
[01:33] <pdragon04> glad i'm hear listenin too. never knew this stuff
[01:33] <tgm4883> directhex, hence back to my point about them both being multiple cable systems
[01:34] <directhex> tgm4883, hdmi contains the audio signal already. you simply don't need to worry about it. what's your solution to audio with dvi?
[01:35] <tgm4883> directhex, thats funny.  If I care enough about my home theatre (dang you Davey, DaveMorris, and laga) experience, they I would probably would have a surround sound system rather than running the sound through my TV, right?
[01:35] <directhex> tgm4883, right.
[01:36] <pdragon04> well, here goes the beta install!
[01:36] <tgm4883> wouldn't I need a cable from my tv to my surround sound system then with HDMI?
[01:36] <laga> pdragon04: weee
[01:36] <directhex> tgm4883, technically you'd do the reverse. device -> av receiver -> tv
[01:36] <laga> i should get some surround kit. thing is, i almost never use mythtv. :/
[01:36] <directhex> tgm4883, but you *could* go directly from device -> tv with 1 cable, and get full video & audio
[01:37] <tgm4883> directhex, you could do either, depending on your hardware.  Some surround sound systems aren't capable of the drm
[01:37] <directhex> then they're old, and not relevant to the discussion of hdmi-enabled stuff
[01:37] <tgm4883> Which is exactly what your last point is.  I don't think I would be spending this much money if I wanted to listen through crappy tv speakers
[01:37] <tgm4883> not relevant
[01:38] <hansoffate|work> very interesting, thanks for all the information guys
[01:38] <laga> HD-DVD or blu ray playback isn't there yet imho
[01:38] <laga> :/
[01:38] <directhex> tgm4883, i still don't understand your opposition to hdmi
[01:39] <tgm4883> FYI, the high end systems that are being put in place today, don't even have speakers on their screens
[01:39] <directhex> tgm4883, and that detracts from using hdmi how, exactly?
[01:40] <tgm4883> I just don't see the point in spending millions developing a "standard", forcing it down consumers throats at gunpoint, lying to the consumer about the benefits of it over current technology, and doing it all just to make money hand over fist
[01:40] <tgm4883> but then again, I didn't invest in HDMI
[01:41] <directhex> tgm4883, so answer the original question. what should the consumer be using to send HD video and multi-channel audio from a device to their home entertainment systems?
[01:42] <tgm4883> I'm perfectly happy with either of the 2 standards that were already in place to do so
[01:42] <directhex> 2?
[01:42] <tgm4883> yep
[01:42] <hansoffate|work> how?
[01:42] <directhex> 4.
[01:42] <tgm4883> 4?
[01:42] <directhex> 5, infact
[01:42] <directhex> or is it 6? yeah, 6 on reflection
[01:42] <tgm4883> 5 now?
[01:43] <tgm4883> care to name these?
[01:43] <hansoffate|work> so just hook up DVI to DVI and run 1/8" to rca?
[01:43] <directhex> DVI with multi-channel analog
[01:43] <laga> superm1: ping
[01:43] <directhex> DVI with optical spdif
[01:43] <directhex> DVI with coaxial spdif
[01:43] <pdragon04> hmm... still have to boot the installer in safe graphics mode
[01:43] <directhex> component with multi-channel analog
[01:43] <directhex> component with optical spdif
[01:43] <directhex> component with coaxial spdif
[01:44] <pdragon04> looses picture on the tv after the loading indicator finishes
[01:44] <pdragon04> with normal graphics
[01:44] <pdragon04> boots fine in safe mode
[01:45] <tgm4883> I forgot about multi-channel analog
[01:45] <hansoffate|work> ive never used spdif.  I just connect it to the pins in the mobo and run the wires right?
[01:46] <hansoffate|work> nevermind, i'll just read the mobo manual
[01:46] <tgm4883> so your solution is to add another cable into the mix?
[01:47] <directhex> tgm4883, i re-cite SCART
[01:47] <tgm4883> about the greatness of scart?
[01:48] <directhex> tgm4883, which for the SD era removed the need to worry about what kind of signals you could support - you just used a single catch-all cable
[01:48] <directhex> tgm4883, much like USB really. nobody wants a return to the days of 2 sizes of COM port, parallel ports, multiple varieties of SCSI port
[01:49] <directhex> tgm4883, consider these two sales scenarios:
[01:49] <tgm4883> oh don't bring up USB, which while superior to your mentioned formats, is functionally inadaquite to firewire
[01:50] <tgm4883> it's just too bad firewire was controlled by apple
[01:50] <directhex> 1) "hi, i want an hd-dvd player. will it work with my tv?" "let's see. do you have compoent or dvi video?" "um..." "and for audio, do you use coaxial or optical or multi-channel analog or stereo" "erm, I DUNNO :'("
[01:50] <laga> superm1: unping.
[01:50] <directhex> 2) "hi, i want an hd-dvd player, will it work with my tv?" "does it have an hdmi logo on it?" "yes." "yes!"
[01:51] <tgm4883> yea, thats not how it works :)
[01:51] <laga> heh
[01:51] <laga> HDCP handshake doesn't always work
[01:51] <laga> and for _that_ someone needs a whack over the head
[01:51] <directhex> works for me!
[01:51] <directhex> and samsung sets are picky
[01:52] <tgm4883> next your going to be singing the praises of bluray or HD-DVD right?
[01:52] <laga> although i just need a new TV and subscription, rest is here
[01:53] <tgm4883> and the answer to your second question is more like "wtf is an hdmi logo.  I bought my set here awhile ago.  You guys figure it out"
[01:53] <laga> talking about poor, i need to pay for my cable
[01:53] <directhex> tgm4883, i don't have blu-ray or hd-dvd
[01:53] <tgm4883> good
[01:54] <pdragon04> heh... i had free expanded basic for a while. my internet signal was crappy so they took the blocking device off my box outside to try and fix it. they never put it back on
[01:54] <pdragon04> then they had a deal where getting expanded basic + internet was cheaper than just internet, so i got that
[01:55] <directhex> tgm4883, i don't even *technically* need hdmi right now. but christ is the cabling neater with it
[01:56] <tgm4883> better watch out for the $100 cable when you do :)
[01:56] <laga> nice
[01:57] <directhex> tgm4883, i'm using it, partly because i can. with the cheapest cable i could find on the high street
[01:57] <laga> crap, i just totally forgot what i was coding
[01:57] <tgm4883> directhex, are you talking about an hdmi cable?
[01:57] <directhex> tgm4883, yes
[01:57] <tgm4883> good
[01:57] <tgm4883> don't EVER buy the $100 dollar cable
[01:57] <directhex> tgm4883, assume i'm not stupid
[01:58] <tgm4883> and if you buy monster cables, i'll kill you
[01:58] <tgm4883> or at least call you names
[01:58] <directhex> before i strangle you with a $7250 speaker cable!
[01:58] <tgm4883> $7250?  Cheapskate.  my cables cost me well over $9000 per speaker
[01:58] <tgm4883> per foot
[01:58] <laga> i want to have your babies
[01:59] <tgm4883> nice
[01:59] <pdragon04> you guys aware of the problem with the tv not getting a picture with the installer unless you choose safe graphics mode?
[01:59] <directhex> i spent 2 a meter iirc. and only because i was buying high-street
[01:59] <laga> pdragon04: how is it connected?
[02:00] <pdragon04> svideo
[02:01] <tgm4883> don't get me wrong, spending money on analog cables is a good thing, as you need high quality cables.  But spending money on "high quality" digital cables is useless
[02:01] <tgm4883> if you do that, I got some beach front property in omaha I want to sell you
[02:01] <MitoTranin> agreed... analog = $$$ maters....  digital = more $$$ equals wasted $$$
[02:01] <directhex> tgm4883, you astound me, really you do. almost as if i refused to spend the 25 richer sounds were asking for for a 2m optical cable, and went to find one for 7 instead
[02:02] <directhex> urgh, i was planning on an early night :/
[02:02] <pdragon04> laga: should i put a bug report up with my machine specs?
[02:03] <tgm4883> what?
[02:03] <tgm4883> an optical cable isn't analog
[02:03] <directhex> tgm4883, no kidding.
[02:03] <MitoTranin> lol
[02:03] <tgm4883> i'm confused
[02:03] <tgm4883> i need to eat
[02:03] <directhex> i need to sleep
[02:04] <tgm4883> directhex, are we both agreeing with MitoTranin?
[02:04] <directhex> tgm4883, of course
[02:04] <tgm4883> ok then
[02:04] <tgm4883> just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page
[02:04] <tgm4883> :)
[02:05] <directhex> upscaling on your av receiver?
[02:05] <tgm4883> of course
[02:05] <MitoTranin> directhex: I'm pretty sure that the NES doesn't support HDMI  :)
[02:05] <laga> pdragon04: yes please. but i believe there is one already
[02:05] <MitoTranin> with the NES being almost 20 years old and all :)
[02:06] <directhex> MitoTranin, well over 20 years. and my av receive supports hdmi, so upscales from the composite input
[02:06] <pdragon04> i saw this one but it's not quite the same and that sone says it's resolved
[02:06] <pdragon04> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/123947
[02:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123947 in mythbuntu "monitor out of sync at livecd instalation" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[02:07] <pdragon04> if i plug a regular computer monitor in t, it works fine
[02:07] <MitoTranin> ah, fun
[02:07] <MitoTranin> brb, gotta take my 1 year old to the "potty"
[02:07] <pdragon04> s/sone/same
[02:08] <laga> pdragon04: hum. file a new bug methinks
[02:08] <pdragon04> k
[02:08] <laga> pdragon04: how is the TV connected?
[02:08] <directhex> right, bedtime
[02:08] <laga> bye directhex
[02:09] <pdragon04> to the computer? svideo
[02:09] <laga> pdragon04: and it works in safe mode? odd
[02:09] <pdragon04> yup
[02:09] <laga> pdragon04: oh well, just file a bug
[02:10] <pdragon04> was like that in alpha 4 too
[02:10] <pdragon04> everything else going good so far. downloading from SD right now
[02:11] <MnDBnDr> Don't know if anyone noticed, but the AMD64 direct download for beta link is incorrect.  It has .iso.iso as the file extension in the link.
[02:12] <laga> MnDBnDr: i'll fix it, thanks
[02:12] <MnDBnDr> np
[02:13] <MnDBnDr> what version of myth-fixes is in the beta?
[02:13] <laga> MnDBnDr: fixed
[02:14] <MnDBnDr> I already started the dl
[02:14] <laga> MnDBnDr: 0.20.2-0ubuntu8 ;)
[02:14] <MnDBnDr> thx
[02:14] <laga> something recent i'd say.
[02:16] <MnDBnDr> Excited now that Creative release a beta linux driver for my x-fi elite pro
[02:16] <pdragon04> laga: k. you've been bugged
[02:16] <laga> MnDBnDr: an open source driver?
[02:16] <MnDBnDr> I wish
[02:16] <MnDBnDr> they are keeping it closed
[02:17] <MnDBnDr> so far only a 64 bit driver
[02:17] <laga> i'd tell them what to do with that
[02:17] <jams> still for creative thats a big step
[02:17] <MnDBnDr> better than having a x-fi elite pro on a shelf
[02:17] <MnDBnDr> I agree
[02:18] <MnDBnDr> I have a M-Audio delta 1010 that I think I will use anyway.
[02:21] <MnDBnDr> You get a new host for the direct download.  It is screaming.  I might be the only one hitting it though
[02:22] <laga> screaming?
[02:22] <laga> we have several mirrors
[02:23] <MnDBnDr> the link for AMD64 is i386
[02:23] <laga> huh
[02:24] <tgm4883> heh, yea it does
[02:24] <tgm4883> superm1 must have been drinking again :)
[02:24] <laga> fixed
[02:24] <laga> tgm4883: no, it was daviey and the crack pipe i believe
[02:24] <tgm4883> ah
[02:25] <MnDBnDr> hehe
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #148790 in mythbuntu "Must boot installer in safe graphics mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148790
[02:30] <pdragon04> all up and running
[02:31] <laga> cool
[02:32] <pdragon04> small panic with backend not starting up. forgot to change permissions back on my recordings directory :)
[02:32] <laga> does anyone have any special maintenance tasks he'd like to see in mythbuntu-control-centre? right now, i'm adding the ability to run xfs_fsr nightly
[02:34] <pdragon04> that will be nice
[02:35] <laga> i'll also be adding that optimize_mythdb.pl script i think
[02:36] <pdragon04> hmm... getting a hash sum mismatch from the repository when i try and run apt-get update
[02:38] <laga> for libmyth or sumthing?
[02:38] <pdragon04> libmyth, mythtv-backend-master and mythtv-backen
[02:39] <pdragon04> d
[02:39] <laga> thats interestinjg
[02:39] <laga> i had the same issue on gutsy
[02:40] <laga> but since we build our cd from those repos, it should work...
[02:40] <laga> can you sudo aptitude update and try again?
[02:40] <laga> if you havent done so already
[02:40] <pdragon04> sure
[02:42] <pdragon04> sme
[02:42] <pdragon04> same
[02:45] <pdragon04> well, i gotta head out for a bit. will try again later
[02:50] <redsix> hello
[02:50] <redsix> how's it?
[02:51] <laga> good good
[02:51] <redsix> coo, anyone used the beta amd iso yet?
[02:52] <redsix> ok... guess not, LoL
[02:55] <laga> no, but someone downloaded it ;)
[02:55] <redsix> it doesn't load up for me
[02:57] <laga> i'm sure someone tested it
[02:57] <laga> "load up"?
[02:57] <tgm4883> anyone else have issues with using the power search feature in mythweb (or the custom record in the frontend)?
[02:59] <redsix> after the first boot screnn, the install, safe mode, check disc screen, it does the casper and the other dot thing across the screen and then nothing
[02:59] <redsix> sorry for my awesome technical details.
[03:00] <laga> redsix: media check pls :)
[03:01] <redsix> use the check disc option you mean?
[03:02] <redsix> or actual cd media
[03:03] <redsix> using the check disc option has same results
[03:04] <redsix> i am using TDK cd-r's
[03:06] <redsix> laga: any ideas?
[03:11] <superm1> i've been unpinged?
[03:11] <superm1> what's that?
[03:12] <redsix> superm1, hi
[03:12] <superm1> cheers
[03:12] <laga> superm1: :)
[03:12] <redsix> the amd iso hangs up after the casper and vmlin? dots flash up
[03:12] <redsix> for me that is
[03:13] <superm1> redsix, give it a few minutes?
[03:13] <superm1> or this is immediate
[03:13] <superm1> and stays that way
[03:13] <redsix> yah
[03:13] <superm1> redsix, can you try safe graphics mode?
[03:13] <superm1> same thing?
[03:13] <redsix> i left it for 10 minutes and usually i see the desktop after 2-3
[03:13] <redsix> yup i normally set 1024x768 and use safe mode
[03:13] <superm1> redsix, hm.
[03:13] <superm1> you tried i386?
[03:13] <superm1> same thing?
[03:14] <redsix> d/ling now
[03:14] <superm1> k
[03:14] <superm1> laga, what do you want to depend on now?
[03:15] <superm1> xfs stuff?
[03:15] <superm1> what if they're not using xfs?
[03:15] <redsix> brb need reboot
[03:17] <laga> superm1: i'm not depending anything, i use to_install.append("foo") as needed
[03:17] <superm1> ah good
[03:17] <laga> superm1: if they're not using XFS, the cron job won't do anything
[03:17] <superm1> i was gonna say that makes more sense
[03:17] <laga> unless man xfs_fsr lies
[03:18] <laga> superm1: is optimized_mythdb.pl installed in the fixes packages?
[03:18] <laga> err
[03:18] <laga> optimized_mythdb.pl
[03:18] <laga> optimize_mythdb.pl
[03:18] <laga> ffs.
[03:19] <superm1> laga, its in contrib
[03:19] <superm1> of mythtv-backend's package i believe
[03:19] <superm1> rules:  cp -r contrib debian/mythtv-backend/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend
[03:19] <superm1> ~/Software/source/ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/fixes/mythtv-0.2
[03:19] <superm1> 0.2$ find ./ -name optimize*
[03:19] <superm1> ./contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl
[03:19] <superm1> yeah
[03:20] <laga> superm1: mythtv-backend: usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl
[03:20] <laga> cool
[03:20] <laga> i'm gonna add that as an option as well
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest04> hello
[03:21] <MythbuntuGuest04> i am tring to install linux mce
[03:21] <laga> superm1: i'd appreciate it if you could check if /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl works without setting $stuff
[03:21] <laga> MythbuntuGuest04: then you need to talk to the linuxMCE people.
[03:21] <laga> superm1: in 0.20.2, that is
[03:21] <redsix> back
[03:22] <superm1> laga it reads everything from a mysql.txt
[03:23] <superm1> '/usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt',                 '/usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt',                 '/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt',                 '/usr/local/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt',                 "$ENV{HOME}/.mythtv/mysql.txt",                 'mysql.txt'
[03:23] <MythbuntuGuest80> hello
[03:23] <superm1> hi
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest80> I just got kubuntu
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest80> installed
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest80> I am new to linux
[03:24] <MythbuntuGuest80> i want to try to install linux mce
[03:25] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest80: Mythbuntu / Mythtv is not linux mce - sadly
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest04> it is not
[03:25] <Daviey> we are a superior project :)
[03:25] <MythbuntuGuest04> mythtv
[03:25] <Daviey> yep
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest04> I tried to install mythbuntu.. i had problems
[03:26] <Daviey> how so?
[03:26] <MythbuntuGuest04> tring to install i got an error at the end.. but that was before i got a new cd rom
[03:27] <Daviey> A new version has been released today
[03:27] <Daviey> (still beta stage tho)
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest04> so you think i should use mythbuntu?
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest04> is that what you use?
[03:27] <Daviey> well.. being a mythbuntu dev - yes
[03:27] <Daviey> :)
[03:27] <MythbuntuGuest04> oh..
[03:28] <Daviey>  __  __       _   _     _                 _
[03:28] <Daviey> |  \/  |_   _| |_| |__ | |__  _   _ _ __ | |_ _   _
[03:28] <Daviey> | |\/| | | | | __| '_ \| '_ \| | | | '_ \| __| | | |
[03:28] <Daviey> | |  | | |_| | |_| | | | |_) | |_| | | | | |_| |_| |
[03:28] <Daviey> |_|  |_|\__, |\__|_| |_|_.__/ \__,_|_| |_|\__|\__,_|
[03:28] <Daviey>         |___/
[03:28] <Daviey> .. rocks :)
[03:28] <MythbuntuGuest04> i did not know. that is cool so you are a developer?
[03:28] <Daviey> well most of the regulars in here are :)
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest04> oh.
[03:29] <Daviey> (that irc chat room you are connected to)
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest04> the ubuntu-mythtv
[03:29] <Daviey> yep
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest04> cool
[03:29] <Daviey> (on freenode)
[03:29] <MythbuntuGuest04> what is free node?
[03:30] <Daviey> the irc network
[03:30] <Daviey> (chat server)
[03:30] <MythbuntuGuest04> I am new i just clicked the mythtv support button
[03:31] <Daviey> yep... it connects you to a chat server - freenode
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest04> nice.
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest04> i like that
[03:31] <laga> superm1: cool, should work then. since it's also available on trunk, we're good to go.
[03:32] <MythbuntuGuest04> so if i am brand new to linux.  is it easy to install mythbuntu
[03:33] <Daviey> 'easy' not especially
[03:33] <Daviey> but mythbuntu makes it easier
[03:33] <MythbuntuGuest80> so should i just try to finixh the linu mce intructions
[03:33] <Daviey> it's not too difficult - and if you want to learn linux, then  it's a good intro/excuse
[03:34] <laga> linux mce might be overkill, isn't it?
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest56> quick question,  should I be able to install more than 2gb of ram?  I have a total of 4gb seen by the bios but top shows the following; Mem:   2845648k total
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest80> umm.. not sure
[03:35] <laga> well, i have never used it myself
[03:35] <laga> so i dont really know :)
[03:35] <Daviey> erm, that is just shy of 4Gb
[03:35] <Daviey> 3.6Gb
[03:36] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest56: Run memtest++
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest80> how you get 3.6?
[03:36] <Daviey> Convert from K to Mb
[03:36] <Daviey> *cough* Gb
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest80> it says 2.8
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest80> so how you get 3.6
[03:37] <laga> good question
[03:38] <Daviey> erm, yeah.. i'm tired
[03:38] <Daviey> 2.85
[03:38] <laga> probably the same crack pipe which made him add the i386 iso as the amd64 link
[03:38] <Daviey> give me a break, it's 2.38 Am
[03:38] <redsix> superm1, the i386 worked
[03:38] <Daviey> laga: did i?!
[03:38] <laga> Daviey: yes. it's fixed
[03:38] <Daviey> good boy
[03:39] <superm1> redsix, hmm.  anyone else try the amd64 yet?
[03:39] <superm1> hopefully its not busted all across the board
[03:39] <dwestendorf> way to get a beta out there guys! you guys rock!
[03:39] <chuk> I tried the amd64 from yesterday
[03:39] <superm1> chuk, and it was fine for you?
[03:39] <chuk> define fine...
[03:39] <superm1> thanks dwestendorf, let us know how things work for you :)
[03:40] <superm1> chuk, well define your trial.
[03:40] <chuk> I had some weird problems when I did backend only
[03:40] <chuk> couldn't connect from remote clients
[03:40] <chuk> then I reinstalled as a "standard" install
[03:40] <Daviey> eeek... not the port bug!?
[03:40] <chuk> and that seemed to work fine
[03:40] <chuk> but...
[03:40] <superm1> okay but you were able to *boot* the disk
[03:40] <redsix> diff prob here
[03:40] <chuk> oh, yeah
[03:40] <superm1> whereas redsix couldn't
[03:40] <chuk> user error...
[03:40] <chuk> this was 1001 disk
[03:40] <chuk> not "beta"
[03:40] <chuk> if there is a diff
[03:41] <Daviey> redsix: have you tried checking the md5?
[03:41] <Daviey> of the burn't disk and .iso file?
[03:41] <chuk> also, my mythbackend won't start up properly on boot
[03:41] <chuk> but if I start it from terminal, it starts fine
[03:41] <dwestendorf> I'm upgrading right now, so we'll find out
[03:42] <redsix> will check it now
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest04> ok so if i am using kubuntu can i just download firefox? I do not see a linux version
[03:47] <laga> MythbuntuGuest04: yes
[03:47] <laga> MythbuntuGuest04: open adept, for example
[03:47] <laga> it's K -> system -> adept here
[03:47] <laga> and search for firefox
[03:48] <redsix> superm1 and daviey, I 21:47:23 Device MD5: 070b56ed3e661e16ab28ffa1e45b0bbb
[03:48] <redsix> I 21:47:24 Image MD5: 070b56ed3e661e16ab28ffa1e45b0bbb
[03:48] <redsix> they are same
[03:51] <laga> superm1: do you happen to have access to openmedia's special config? i'd be interested in their myself tweaks
[03:52] <superm1> chuk, there are a few differences from 1001 to 1002
[03:52] <superm1> laga, i can't say i do
[03:53] <superm1> but you can probably shoot him a mail
[03:53] <superm1> and see if he'd be interested in sharing
[03:54] <laga> superm1: i did on the ML, so i've gotta wait now
[03:55] <morphinex> yo yo
[03:55] <morphinex> So myth seems to be saturating net wifi network, a new behavior under mythbuntu
[03:55] <morphinex> net = my
[03:55] <superm1> saturating?
[03:56] <laga> superm1: i'll commit the xfs_fsr and the mysqld tweaks stuff shortly. mysqld stuff only needs a sane config then it's good to go. it's all listed unter "experimental" in the advanced tab. would be cool if you could take a look and yell at me if i did something wrong
[03:56] <morphinex> I used to be able to downlod stuff on bittorrent and have smooth tv t the same time
[03:56] <morphinex> When I was using fc6
[03:56] <superm1> sure i can take a look laga
[03:56] <morphinex> Now the combination doesn't work
[03:56] <laga> oh, now we're being blamed for people's crappy wireless links :)
[03:56] <morphinex> Well, like I said, it worked before :)
[03:56] <superm1> morphinex, looks at setting up QoS
[03:57] <superm1> morphinex, i dont know if you ever had it setup previously, but that is the only way you can clean up issues like that
[03:57] <superm1> laga, okay i'm still waiting on debconf talk stuff before i'll push to the archive though :)
[03:57] <laga> unless your video bitrate or streaming protocol changed (NFS versus mythtv protocol), you need to talk to someone else in ubuntu space
[03:57] <morphinex> superm1: do I need to do it by port?
[03:57] <morphinex> superm1: if so, what port does myth use?
[03:57] <laga> superm1: bah. you'll get it eventually.
[03:58] <superm1> laga, i just only want to push a max of two more revision of m-c-c
[03:58] <superm1> one feature release
[03:58] <superm1> and one bug fix
[03:58] <superm1> so we can target one towards rc
[03:58] <superm1> and one towards final
[03:58] <superm1> morphinex, you can do it by port typically
[03:58] <laga> superm1: ok. can we agree on the first upload this weekend?
[03:58] <superm1> laga, sure
[03:59] <superm1> morphinex, newer wrt54g's can do QoS
[03:59] <superm1> and wireless QoS
[03:59] <superm1> and configure ports and protocols and a whole slew of things
[03:59] <morphinex> superm1: yeah, I'm running dd-wrt on a wrt54g
[03:59] <morphinex> superm1: I'm just wonderinf how to set it up for myth
[03:59] <superm1> morphinex, i only have experience with openwrt as a third party firmware personally, but i had even more QoS stuff available to me there
[04:00] <laga> superm1: i'd like to debconfify the mysqld optimization, but i guess what wont happen before hardy unless we upload mcc and an updated mythtv-database at the same time.
[04:00] <superm1> laga, well i'm pushing the last mythtv upload next week too
[04:00] <superm1> with the new compile type option
[04:00] <superm1> i'm testing it all this week
[04:00] <laga> superm1: eg after the weekend?
[04:00] <superm1> on my boxes
[04:00] <laga> ok
[04:00] <superm1> yes
[04:00] <laga> superm1: make sure to bug me so we can get the translations in
[04:00] <superm1> so far it gives a modest performance improvement
[04:00] <laga> superm1: that's great.
[04:01] <dwestendorf> i've got a mythmusic problem, when i save a playlist then exit mythmusic completely, it isn't there when I go back
[04:01] <laga> so, gutsy is gonna rock then :)
[04:01] <superm1> oh man i just remembered all that lirc stuff has to be gone over again too
[04:01] <superm1> yuck.
[04:02] <superm1> so much left to squeeze in :)
[04:02] <superm1> oh yeah
[04:02] <superm1> gutsy is going to be the way to go for myth i hope
[04:02] <laga> yes
[04:02] <laga> oh
[04:02] <Daviey> superm1: what happend about unoffical themes?
[04:03] <superm1> Daviey, they never materialized
[04:03] <superm1> remember
[04:03] <laga> superm1: xfce makes me sad. the log files are not used anywhere. actually, /etc/mythtv/session-settings doesn't apply anymore at all.
[04:03] <laga> is this intended?
[04:03] <Daviey> superm1: shall we push them onto the mythbuntu repo's?
[04:04] <Daviey> +1
[04:04] <redsix> did you guys see my md5's matched?
[04:04] <Daviey> but with the intention of pushing what we can into ubuntu+1
[04:04] <laga> Daviey: of course
[04:04] <laga> eg, backport stuff go gutsy.
[04:04] <Daviey> redsix: Does a ubuntu disk work?  and can you try another brand of cd-r ?
[04:04] <superm1> laga, please merge in any missed stuff from ubuntu-mythtv-frontend into mythbuntu-default-settings
[04:05] <redsix> the i386 works, amd doesn't
[04:05] <superm1> i tried to get as much as i could, but i know i missed the log files part
[04:05] <superm1> and a few others
[04:05] <Daviey> redsix: hmm.. /me has no amd64 hardware to test
[04:05] <superm1> Daviey, we can do that i guess.  someone needs to package them though still
[04:05] <tgm4883_laptop> redsix, whats going on?
[04:05] <redsix> same kind of disc... can i upgrade through apt-get somehow?
[04:05] <Daviey> You might have to wait 6-7hrs for the dev that does
[04:06] <Daviey> superm1: we did make the beefy package... and i did make some seperate ones
[04:06] <redsix> tgm4883, the amd iso hangs for me
[04:06] <laga> yes, lets make some themes packages \o/
[04:06] <Daviey> Shall i phone DaveMorris? he'd like that :P
[04:06] <laga> superm1: ok, i'll talk to davemorris tomorrow how to do that
[04:07] <superm1> Daviey, you want to do it?
[04:07] <superm1> the themes package?
[04:07] <redsix> when i apt-get upgrade i get md5 checksum errors on the mythtv packages :( dang no luck for me today
[04:07] <tgm4883_laptop> what part?
[04:07] <Daviey> Well i was working on it, and it was pretty much ready
[04:07] <Daviey> Just waiting for the one/two themes licencing issues
[04:07] <superm1> you still have the source by chance?
[04:08] <superm1> i know its long gone for me
[04:08] <redsix> tgm4883, after the casper and vm dots go by
[04:08] <Daviey> superm1: i expect so.. i delete nothin'
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> vm?
[04:09] <laga> Daviey, superm1: the weekly build script already has support to build themes. (at least one big package). someone just needs to check in the packaging stuff into bzr
[04:09] <redsix> yah after you select to install or safe mode, the next 2 things that run across the top
[04:09] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop: ie vmlinuz-2.6.22-10-generic
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[04:09] <redsix> ty daviey
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll test it in a little bit
[04:09] <redsix> after that just black screen 4-ever
[04:09] <redsix> k
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of hardware?
[04:09] <Daviey> right.. /me needs sleep 3am :(
[04:09] <Daviey> nn
[04:09] <redsix> um, amd, lol JK
[04:10] <superm1> laga, oh you mean right from svn.mythtv.org
[04:10] <superm1> i like that
[04:10] <laga> superm1: yes, weekly theme builds
[04:10] <dwestendorf> I couldn't upgrade
[04:10] <superm1> yeah that'd be sweet
[04:10] <dwestendorf> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/39499/
[04:10] <laga> superm1: i'm doing two theme packages
[04:10] <redsix> asus a8n-vm with 3000+ socket 939 1gb ram
[04:11] <superm1> dwestendorf, apt-get update and then try again
[04:11] <laga> dwestendorf: hum
[04:11] <laga> dwestendorf: someone in here had the same problem
[04:11] <dwestendorf> i did, and also tried the --fix-missing, but no dice
[04:11] <superm1> egads, has there really been 322 mb of changes since *yesterday*
[04:11] <redsix> same probelm here with apt-get
[04:12] <laga> superm1: there is a minor problem with mcc right now. a configparser entry so it not set so python complains a little bit, but it doesn't seem to impair functionality a lot. i'll commit it now and fix it tomorrow
[04:12] <laga> darn.
[04:21] <yotux> Does mythbuntu support LTSP
[04:21] <MythbuntuGuest04> what is ltsp?
[04:22] <redsix> ok all, my amd boot issue was BIOS related, after flash to latest FW, all is good
[04:22] <yotux> linux terminal server project
[04:23] <yotux> allows one to have one system and netboot into the environment
[04:23] <laga> yotux: no, but we're planning to add drbl support to the next release
[04:24] <yotux> So being a complete newbie to mythtv how should I layout a network
[04:24] <yotux> I have one system that will be a hybrid and 2 - 3 computer that only will have front ends
[04:26] <MythbuntuGuest04> hello?
[04:26] <redsix> laga: my boot issues was BIOS related
[04:26] <laga> redsix: great
[04:26] <laga> ok, bed time.
[04:26] <redsix> laga: can i upgrade without wiping out my recordings?
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> redsix, you can, but you need to bring the database with you
[04:30] <redsix> tgm4883, but during the install the partitioner wants to format, i have the db backed up
[04:31] <redsix> what's the trick?
[04:35] <tgm4883_laptop> you have to back up your recordings too
[04:35] <redsix> o
[04:35] <dwestendorf> you'll need to backup your db and recordings to a drive that isn't going to be formatted
[04:35] <redsix> so there's no way sround the formatting
[04:35] <redsix> wah wah wahhhhhhh
[04:35] <redsix> lol
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> unfortunatly
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> not
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> because /var needs formatted
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> so if you kept your recordings elsewhere
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> then it could be
[04:37] <redsix> so would a good practice be to load the OS on one small drive and have the recordings and a DB backup on another large drive?
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> well ideally yea
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's more the folder you put it in that requires formatting
[04:38] <redsix> i'm thinking about doing that for the next reload, i got a old 10gig drive
[04:39] <redsix> but the recordings could go anywhere that's writable, correct? as long as the path is configured in mythtv
[04:39] <tgm4883_laptop> afaik
[04:40] <redsix> coo, i'm out for the evening, ty for all your help1!!!!!
[04:41] <dwf_starband> got time for a quick question or still pretty busy?
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> always got time
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> but answers come slow
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> halo 3 time
[04:42] <dwf_starband> ive got a mceusb2 remote working in mythtv and am trying to get the blaster to work for my dish network receiver
[04:43] <redsix> is dwestendorf still around?
[04:43] <dwf_starband> is the blaster considered a second device? or is it still considered the same one since they are together?
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> same i believe
[04:45] <dwf_starband> ok, then atleast i know where to begin
[04:45] <dwf_starband> the tutorials are pretty good for setting up a remote, but they seem pretty thin on setting up the blaster
[04:46] <dwestendorf> yes i am
[04:46] <dwestendorf> but not fast enough i guess...
[04:54] <foxbuntu> superm1, the wonders a new release does for web traffic
[04:54] <superm1> of course
[04:56] <foxbuntu> superm1, I sent the guy that wrote Mice an email to see if he might give a hand in explaining the code
[05:19] <superm1> tgm4883, we've still only got that 1 visit from kenya
[05:20] <superm1> someone should let him know about the beta
[05:20] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll shoot him an email :)
[05:21] <MitoTranin> greetings all
[05:21] <MitoTranin> anything new and interesting going on tonight?
[05:22] <MitoTranin> superm1: what's the footprint like with Mythbuntu?
[05:23] <superm1> MitoTranin, i'd expect < 256 mb
[05:23] <superm1> i haven't looked though
[05:23] <MitoTranin> sweet
[05:23] <MitoTranin> I have all my recordings etc set to be stored on my NAS
[05:23] <MitoTranin> and I was hoping to be able to use my 20gb drive for the system
[05:23] <superm1> oh that can be a challenge
[05:24] <superm1> depending on how your bw is looking
[05:24] <superm1> and how many tuners
[05:24] <superm1> etc
[05:24] <tgm4883> a full mythbuntu install is going to run around 10GB isn't it?
[05:24] <MitoTranin> last time I tried to do that, the 20gb wasn't enough for the temp files etc
[05:24] <MitoTranin> superm1: I have my NAS and MythServer on a gigabit lan
[05:24] <superm1> tgm4883, it will run about 1.2 gigs full install tgm4883
[05:24] <MitoTranin> BW isn't a problem
[05:25] <MitoTranin> and the only functional tuner I have right now is that plextor we talked about last night
[05:25] <superm1> oh i see
[05:25] <MitoTranin> which, obviously, isn't even working in mythbuntu yet, but I plan on getting myth installed and then getting it to work
[05:26] <MitoTranin> superm1: speaking of, did you assign that blueprint to yourself yet?
[05:26] <superm1> MitoTranin, i subscribed to it and proposed it for uds
[05:27] <superm1> so i'll see if i can chat to the kernel guys about it
[05:27] <superm1> at uds
[05:27] <MitoTranin> cool, thanks :)
[05:27] <superm1> MitoTranin, just booted up my VM
[05:28] <superm1> with a mythbuntu be/fe
[05:28] <superm1> its using 155 at boot
[05:28] <superm1> after starting the frontend
[05:28] <tgm4883> superm1, do you have to open any other ports to ssh remotely? (other than 22)
[05:28] <superm1> nope
[05:28] <tgm4883> hmm
[05:29] <tgm4883> do you know what this means Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
[05:29] <superm1> that would mean that you're public key wasn't accepted and you didn't know the password
[05:29] <MitoTranin> cool, thanks :)
[05:30] <MitoTranin> superm1: any chance of adding support for this remote to the installer?  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/One_For_All_URC-6131
[05:30] <tgm4883> nice, only I haven't even made it that far
[05:30] <tgm4883> thats just ssh ip
[05:30] <MitoTranin> the nB00 version specifically
[05:30] <superm1> MitoTranin, its not paired with a particulare config?
[05:30] <tgm4883> is there any other setup needed for ssh for connecting from an address that isn't on the local network?
[05:31] <superm1> shouldn't be
[05:31] <MitoTranin> superm1: I guess I don't understand your question...
[05:31] <tgm4883> cause I can connect locally just fine, but when I try to access it via my dyndns address it spits that error out
[05:31] <superm1> interesting
[05:31] <tgm4883> yes
[05:32] <superm1> MitoTranin, that remote is just programmed to act like a pvr-350 remote
[05:32] <superm1> is it not?
[05:33] <MitoTranin> well, it can be programed for many things..
[05:33] <MitoTranin> it's a programable remote
[05:34] <MitoTranin> superm1: http://www.vulturesnest.net/mythtvremote.html is a page that tells you how to get it setup to work with a PVR-350 reciever
[05:34] <MitoTranin> but the point of it is that it's actually better than the pvr-350 remote.
[05:34] <superm1> right well the point i'm saying though, is that once it behaves like a pvr-350 remote
[05:34] <superm1> there is no need to do anything different
[05:35] <Aval0n-> guys
[05:36] <Aval0n-> for some reason my channels have gotten out of order on program guide
[05:36] <Aval0n-> is there an easy fix for that?
[05:36] <Aval0n-> or is it sorting by chanid?"
[05:36] <superm1> go back to the settings menu's
[05:36] <superm1> there is a setting for how to order them
[05:36] <superm1> under tv-settings
[05:36] <Aval0n-> on the FE?
[05:36] <superm1> yeah
[05:36] <tgm4883> heh, not that it's showing alot about mythbuntu (mostly mythtv), but mythbuntu on youtube http://youtube.com/watch?v=nPJrqxMdbuU
[05:37] <tgm4883> 3 days ago
[05:37] <superm1> yeah i saw that
[05:37] <tgm4883> does show the mcc
[05:37] <superm1> wonder where that theme came from
[05:38] <tgm4883> you mean this one http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Pear-odyTV-wideFinal.jpg
[05:38] <superm1> ha nice
[05:38] <tgm4883> i've been thinking of updating mine, it's some blue one
[05:38] <superm1> i'm using blootube
[05:39] <superm1> let me give that a shot on my tv though
[05:41] <Aval0n-> I don't see anything under tv settings for it superm1
[05:41] <Aval0n-> guide starts at channel 3 is all I see
[05:42] <tgm4883> f me
[05:42] <tgm4883> I figured it out superm1
[05:43] <superm1> tgm4883, yeah it looks pretty nice, but i think i'm more partial towards blootube still
[05:43] <superm1> i just tried it on my tv
[05:43] <tgm4883> i was trying to forward something from weilandhomes to my dyndns account, thats why ssh wasn't working
[05:43] <tgm4883> going directly to the dyndns address works
[05:44] <superm1> Aval0n-, tv-settings-general
[05:44] <superm1> channel ordering
[05:45] <tgm4883> arg, why can't i find blootube
[05:46] <tgm4883> and is ssh just tcp or udp?
[05:46] <superm1> tcp
[05:46] <tgm4883> ok
[05:46] <Aval0n-> channel number is how it is set
[05:46] <Aval0n-> which is how I want it
[05:46] <Aval0n-> but things are all mixed up
[05:46] <tgm4883> is blootube installed by default?
[05:47] <superm1> tgm4883, no its not
[05:47] <tgm4883> link?
[05:47] <superm1> Aval0n-, i dunno then
[05:47] <superm1> tgm4883, juski.co.uk
[05:47] <superm1> is where it used to be
[05:47] <tgm4883> yea, theres nothing there
[05:47] <tgm4883> everywhere i look i see nothing
[05:47] <superm1> check maybe they are in mythtv svn now
[05:48] <Aval0n-> it's goint 1 - 15, 5.1, 20-100, 10.1, 21.1, 16-19
[05:48] <superm1> well that's sensible enough to me
[05:49] <Aval0n-> ?!
[05:49] <Aval0n-> it is?
[05:49] <superm1> haha
[05:49] <Aval0n-> :)
[05:50] <Aval0n-> when you do sort by channel number
[05:50] <Aval0n-> is it going by channel id?
[05:50] <superm1> beats me
[05:50] <Aval0n-> the unique mythv channels?
[05:50] <Aval0n-> hmm
[05:50] <superm1> poke around in -users
[05:50] <Aval0n-> okie-tay
[05:50] <Aval0n-> thnx :)
[06:04] <MitoTranin> superm1: I guess here's my question about the remote (from earlier)
[06:05] <MitoTranin> I am just now trying to go through the install again (I started last night but it crashed, and I was too tired to mess with it then, so I'm working on it now instead)
[06:05] <MitoTranin> right now I'm to the point of telling it what remote I'm using etc
[06:05] <superm1> right so you pick the hauppaugge
[06:05] <MitoTranin> well, I can't tell it to use a Hauppage remote, because I don't have a hauppagge receiver
[06:05] <superm1> what receiver do you have?
[06:05] <MitoTranin> just a standard serial reciever
[06:06] <superm1> okay but you use a hauppauge style lircd.conf
[06:06] <MitoTranin> uh, sure?  (I've never been able to get this remote to work with myth yet)
[06:07] <superm1> okay well so choose the custom option at the bottom of the installer
[06:07] <superm1> and then you can pick the appropriate remote driver and config
[06:09] <MitoTranin> oh, and I was going to ask about this
[06:09] <MitoTranin> for the driver, is there a reason that lirc_dev_serial is listed about 4 times?
[06:09] <superm1> it has to do with the underlying code there
[06:09] <MitoTranin> and for the config file, many options are listed 2, 3, 4 or more times
[06:09] <superm1> the custom option was a very last minute afterthought
[06:10] <MitoTranin> ah, ok
[06:11] <mangala_> I
[06:12] <MitoTranin> btw, last night it locked up when trying to partition the drive/drives
[06:12] <superm1> MitoTranin, there have been a few bugs upstream reported about partition errors
[06:12] <MitoTranin> I had 2 20gb drives at that point.  previously they had been setup as a LVM together, if that makes a difference
[06:13] <superm1> might be one of those you hit
[06:13] <MitoTranin> yeah, possibly
[06:13] <mangala_> I'm somewhat new to linux and having problems with myth finding my tuner
[06:13] <MitoTranin> mangala_: what tuner do you have?
[06:15] <MitoTranin> superm1: I'm guessing that's probably the case... it's locking up on "detecting filesystems" right now after I've gone through all the options and it's to the point of actually performing the installation
[06:15] <superm1> MitoTranin, you can try to wipe the drives before you start
[06:15] <MitoTranin> detected the filesystem on the drive fine when it looked to give me the options :)
[06:15] <superm1> install gparted on the live disk
[06:15] <MitoTranin> yeah, I was thinking about doing that after letting this run for a bit... and guess what... it's been a bit :)
[06:16] <MitoTranin> locked up hard, numlock wouldn't even toggle...
[06:16] <superm1> ouch
[06:17] <superm1> that's rough
[06:17] <mangala_> I think I may have found the fix in the wiki
[06:17] <mangala_> hauppauge 44801
[06:17] <MitoTranin> mangala_: congrats :)
[06:17] <Aval0n-> arg
[06:17] <MitoTranin> superm1: yeah, I hate it when that happens... restarting the livecd now though
[06:17] <mangala_> let me try to fix it before any congrats
[06:17] <Aval0n-> everything shows up in the right oder under mythweb but program guide is jacked up
[06:18] <Aval0n-> superm1 no one alive in -users :P)
[06:18] <superm1> Aval0n-, you can try hitting up the ML then too
[06:18] <mangala_> been at this for two days and am determinded to it
[06:22] <MitoTranin> ugh...
[06:23] <MitoTranin> anyone want to see something just totally and utterly disturbing, discusting, and just plain wrong?
[06:23] <superm1> if its NSFW, don't post it in here :)
[06:23] <MitoTranin> I have some very disturbed friends... lol
[06:24] <MitoTranin> I wasn't going to post it here.. I was going to pm it to you/whoever
[06:24] <MitoTranin> no way I'd post it in chan...
[06:27] <mangala_> how do you start phpmyadmin?
[06:28] <superm1> open up a web browser, browse to your machine's http://localhost/phpmyadmin
[06:28] <mangala_> ok
[06:38] <mangala_> ok I tried to drop the database because it won't find my tuner and the is the error code it gave me
[06:38] <mangala_> #9 - Unexpected eof found when reading file './mythconverg/schemalock.frm' (Errcode: -1)
[06:38] <superm1> whew yuck
[06:38] <superm1> good call trying to drop/rebuild the db
[06:38] <mangala_> don't say that
[06:38] <mangala_> once upon a time it found the card
[06:39] <mangala_> i was running edgy uninstalled everything did an upgrade and went from permission errors to this
[06:40] <mangala_> running feisty now
[06:41] <MitoTranin> is there anythiing else running on the machine right now?
[06:41] <MitoTranin> ie: what would you loose if you wiped it and started over?
[06:41] <MitoTranin> and what tuner do you have?
[06:41] <mangala_> you mean reinstalled the whole os?
[06:42] <mangala_> I have hauppauge 44801 tuner
[06:43] <MitoTranin> yeah.. is this a production system, or is this a system you're still trying to get up and running?
[06:43] <MitoTranin> what model is that though?  PVR-150?
[06:44] <mangala_> nope just something I'm playing with to learn linux,, started by playing with beryl and now wanted to get mythtv to run for the lliving room
[06:44] <MitoTranin> looks like a WinTV-Go, is that right?
[06:44] <mangala_> yep
[06:45] <MitoTranin> if you're still trying to get it up and running, then you shouldn't loose anything by wiping it and starting over... would you be willing to try that, since you're already in a world of hurt with the database etc?
[06:45] <mangala_> before i did the upgrade it found the tuner alright.....I was having problems with permissions in the database
[06:46] <mangala_> ok.. guese I will start over   again  :(
[06:46] <mangala_> :)
[06:46] <MitoTranin> the reason I ask, is because it might be a WHOLE lot easier, and faster, to just start over
[06:46] <mangala_> gonna burn a 7,04 iso first
[06:47] <MitoTranin> www.mythbuntu.org
[06:47] <MitoTranin> go and grab that instead
[06:47] <mangala_> not going through the upgrade again
[06:47] <MitoTranin> new version released today
[06:47] <mangala_> wow
[06:47] <mangala_> ok
[06:48] <mangala_> does mythtv have any problem with beryl desktop?
[06:48] <superm1> beryl is a bit old, the project is now compiz fusion
[06:49] <superm1> and there are a bit of troubles for some people
[06:49] <superm1> depending on what you have hardware wise for video card
[06:49] <mangala_> I have it running without any problems
[06:50] <mangala_> all my spare parts are getting fast enough todo this kind of thing with them now
[06:52] <mangala_> amd 64 18Mhz, 1g ram, nvidia 5200 agp card
[06:52] <mangala_> 1.8 Mhz
[06:54] <superm1> compiz fusion should likely work with it, but no guarantees
[06:54] <superm1> i'm just saying that people have run into issues
[07:00] <MitoTranin> well... if it truly is 1.8MHz, then it would have a hard time running linux even ;)
[07:00] <MitoTranin> I'm sure you meant 1.8Ghz :)
[07:01] <mangala_> hehe
[07:01] <mangala_> yep
[07:01] <mangala_> got iso comming
[07:03] <mangala_> thanks for the help
[07:03] <mangala_> maybe with all the messing I have done the next one will work
[07:03] <mangala_> I'm learning slowly
[07:03] <mangala_> and its still fun
[07:04] <mangala_> gnite
[07:14] <dwf_starband> i have my remote and blaster both working now, but lirc doesnt start automaticly at startup, is there a simple way to start it when the computer starts so that i dont have to start it manualy?
[07:15] <Aval0n-> with myth, is it possibe to pause livetv, watch a video and go back without specifically telling the TV show to record?
[07:15] <Aval0n-> or does it just quit when you hit pause, and previous
[07:18] <dwf_starband> Aval0n-	i just got myth setup on my computer, let me try and ill let you know
[07:18] <Aval0n-> thnx
[07:18] <dwf_starband> you want to know if i can watch live tv, push pause then watch a recording and come back to where i paused?
[07:18] <Aval0n-> I'm not at home to test that on my box.
[07:18] <Aval0n-> yes
[07:18] <Aval0n-> correct
[07:18] <dwf_starband> ok just a minute
[07:18] <Aval0n-> thanks
[07:18] <Aval0n-> :)
[07:19] <Aval0n-> I think to get to your recordings you have to exit livetv
[07:19] <Aval0n-> which kinda stinks
[07:20] <Aval0n-> dwf_starband: you can just put lirc startup script in /etc/init.d/
[07:22] <dwf_starband> your right i had to exit live tv to view a recording, and coming back to live tv, it was no longer paused
[07:22] <dwf_starband> does that answer your question?
[07:23] <dwf_starband> the lirc script is there, but it doesnt start when i start the computer
[07:23] <Aval0n-> odd
[07:23] <Aval0n-> thanks for testing that for me
[07:23] <MitoTranin> isn't there an option while watching a show in livetv to add just that episode to a recording schedule?
[07:24] <dwf_starband> just a sec ill look
[07:24] <MitoTranin> dwf_starband: is the lirc script executable?
[07:25] <dwf_starband> what do you mean by executable?
[07:25] <dwf_starband> i start it by typing
[07:25] <dwf_starband> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start
[07:26] <dwf_starband> Aval0n- you can toggel record by pushing the record button during a show, then when you exit live tv it keeps recording
[07:26] <dwf_starband> i just did that, and it seems to be recording
[07:27] <MitoTranin> dwf_starband: that doesn't mean that it's set to start on startup though, but it does clear up a misunderstanding I had
[07:27] <MitoTranin> to make sure that lirc starts on startup, you need to make sure that it's in the right rc.d as well
[07:27] <dwf_starband> ok, how do i check that?
[07:27] <MitoTranin> being in init.d means that it is a "service" but it does not mean that the service is set to run on startup
[07:32] <dwf_starband> is there a reason why trying to watch a recording while recording would lock up my computer and give me a pink/purple screen?
[07:33] <dwf_starband> i have a p4 3.2 and 2g of ram and the tuner has an encoder
[07:34] <MitoTranin> did the video card overheat?
[07:34] <dwf_starband> i dont think so, it had only been running a couple of minutes, why would it over heat?
[07:35] <MitoTranin> dead fan?
[07:35] <dwf_starband> its happened each time i have tried recording and watching a recording at the same time
[07:35] <MitoTranin> some tuners use the gpu to help process the video... maybe you have one of them?
[07:35] <dwf_starband> im storing on a usb hard drive, is that fast enough to send info both ways?
[07:35] <MitoTranin> (no, I don't remember which ones do that)
[07:36] <MitoTranin> probably not
[07:36] <MitoTranin> depends on the encoding...
[07:36] <dwf_starband> so thats probably my problem, i can record but not record and watch something else
[07:36] <MitoTranin> how big/small it needs to be
[07:36] <MitoTranin> try recording and then watching a dvd
[07:37] <dwf_starband> the tuner is a pvr-150 and my vdeo crd is a nvidia 7300
[07:37] <dwf_starband> ok, ill do that and figure it out later right now i would like to get the lirc setup finished
[07:38] <dwf_starband> you were saying there was a file that needed something so it would startup when the comptuer booted
[07:41] <MitoTranin> I can't check on the specifics right now because out of my 2 ubuntu boxes, one is being wiped and mythbuntu installed right now, the other is a dual-boot on this machine, and I'm in windows right now...
[07:41] <dwf_starband> oh, ok
[07:41] <MitoTranin> but... in /etc you have init.d but you should also have /etc/rc.1/ /etc/rc.2/ etc
[07:41] <MitoTranin> something along those lines
[07:41] <dwf_starband> ok
[07:42] <MitoTranin> well, the rc.x dirs contain symlinks to the /etc/init.d/ files
[07:42] <MitoTranin> and depending on how your startup is configured, it starts up the services it needs
[07:42] <MitoTranin> if you have a file in init.d that means you have a service... but it doesn't mean it's told to run on startup
[07:43] <MitoTranin> to tell it to run on startup, you need to put it in the appropriate rc.x
[07:43] <MitoTranin> I think for ubuntu it's rc.2 that's the standard one (every distro is different... redhat/fedora it's rc.5 or rc.3 that is important)
[07:43] <dwf_starband> ok, i have rc0.d through rc6.d and rcS.d
[07:44] <dwf_starband> that are folders
[07:44] <dwf_starband> and rc.local that is a file
[07:45] <MitoTranin> ah, found what we need...
[07:45] <dwf_starband> cool
[07:45] <MitoTranin> Task: Command line tool to manage services / Ubuntu runlevel
[07:45] <MitoTranin> sudo update-rc.d SERVICE-NAME  remove
[07:45] <MitoTranin> that will remove a service from auto-startup
[07:46] <MitoTranin> so I would guess just replace remove with the word add and you should be good to go
[07:46] <dwf_starband> do i need the path, or will it know the path already?
[07:46] <MitoTranin> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-manage-services-with-update-rc.d
[07:47] <MitoTranin> it will know it already
[07:47] <dwf_starband> ok
[07:47] <MitoTranin> defaults is the one you want apparently
[07:48] <MitoTranin> so the command should probably be:
[07:48] <MitoTranin> sudo update-rc.d lirc-script-name defaults
[07:48] <MitoTranin> (as you can see, I couldn't remember the name of the lirc startup script, but you get the point)
[07:49] <dwf_starband> its just lirc
[07:49] <dwf_starband> sudo update-rc.d lirc defaults
[07:49] <MitoTranin> did it work?
[07:49] <MitoTranin> correct
[07:50] <dwf_starband> System startup links for /etc/init.d/lirc already exist.
[07:50] <MitoTranin> try remove and then defaults
[07:51] <dwf_starband> sudo update-rc.d lirc remove
[07:51] <dwf_starband> sudo update-rc.d lirc defaults
[07:51] <dwf_starband> ?
[07:52] <dwf_starband> sudo update-rc.d lirc remove
[07:52] <dwf_starband> gives me
[07:52] <dwf_starband> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/lirc exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[07:54] <MitoTranin> that's fine
[07:54] <dwf_starband> so i should use
[07:54] <MitoTranin> it's just telling you that you're just removing the symlinks, and not the actual init.d file
[07:55] <MitoTranin> so use the -f
[07:55] <dwf_starband> sudo update-rc.d lirc remove -f
[07:55] <MitoTranin> sudo update-rc.d -f lirc remove
[07:55] <dwf_starband> ok sorry
[07:55] <MitoTranin> np
[07:56] <dwf_starband> no add it back?
[07:56] <dwf_starband> *now
[07:56] <MitoTranin> yeah
[07:56] <dwf_starband> ok, now what?
[07:56] <dwf_starband> i restart and see if it worked?
[07:59] <MitoTranin> sounds like a plan to me :)
[07:59] <dwf_starband> ok, ill be back
[08:03] <dwf_starband> nope didnt work
[08:07] <MitoTranin> what'd it do/not do?
[08:07] <MitoTranin> my guess then is that it is trying to startup, and failing
[08:07] <MitoTranin> probably due to lirc trying to startup before the drivers for your ir reciever are loaded
[08:07] <dwf_starband> i just open terminal and tried "irw"
[08:08] <dwf_starband> which telles you what the receiver is receiving, it will tell you what buttons you are pushing on your remote
[08:08] <dwf_starband> it said
[08:08] <dwf_starband> connect: Connection refused
[08:08] <MitoTranin> yeah
[08:08] <dwf_starband> so i started lirc
[08:08] <dwf_starband> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start
[08:08] <MitoTranin> which simply means that lirc isn't running
[08:08] <dwf_starband> then tried "irw" again
[08:08] <dwf_starband> and it worked
[08:09] <MitoTranin> but if you try to run lirc before the drivers for your receiver are loaded, it will complain about no receiver, and then close
[08:09] <MitoTranin> try this command:
[08:09] <MitoTranin> dmesg |grep lirc
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   19.908844]  lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   19.912564]  lirc_mceusb2: no version for "lirc_get_pdata" found: kernel tainted.
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   19.913051]  lirc_mceusb2: Philips eHome USB IR Transciever and Microsoft MCE 2005 Remote Control driver for LIRC $Revision: 1.25 $
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   19.913056]  lirc_mceusb2: Daniel Melander <lirc@rajidae.se>, Martin Blatter <martin_a_blatter@yahoo.com>
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   20.165190]  lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   20.165983]  lirc_mceusb2[5] : Philips eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb5:5
[08:09] <dwf_starband> [   20.166548]  usbcore: registered new interface driver lirc_mceusb2
[08:11] <MitoTranin> check the numbers associated with lirc in the rc.X  dir's and make sure that the number for lirc is higher than the number for usbcore
[08:13] <dwf_starband> wife just called, i gota go, i really appreciate you trying to help, and thanks for the link to debain/ubuntu tips and tricks
[08:14] <dwf_starband> ill leave the window open and read it when i get back
[08:14] <dwf_starband> thanks
 naw...although on that one, troy_s has a contact that supposidly can do it in the USplash
[08:19] <troy_s> Yes, you will need to watch the new Fluxbuntu v1 to see what you can do though.
[08:19] <superm1> troy_s, did i ever respond to you?
[08:19] <superm1> i forget
[08:19] <troy_s> superm1: I don't think so... let me look.
[08:20] <superm1> sorry it was a bit hectic today sorting out getting the beta through the door
[08:21] <superm1> 4-6 stand out to me
[08:21] <troy_s> superm1: All is well.  I do hope that you can foxbuntu can more or less agree on a singular refinement direction.  Not a huge deal as we are more or less right out the door at this point.
[08:21] <troy_s> superm1: Bathroom... brb.
[08:21] <superm1> k
[08:21] <superm1> what did foxbuntu say with what he was thinking?
[08:21] <superm1> or did he
[08:22] <troy_s> superm1: I think he was more or less leaning towards the slightly darker blue with teal background
[08:22] <superm1> i like the darker background, it makes the middle shape and name stand out a lot better
[08:22] <superm1> rather than the whole thing blending too much
[08:22] <troy_s> superm1: and foreground was along the brown tone -- although I was going to lighten it a smidge to a more paper bag brown.
[08:23] <troy_s> superm1: I believe his thought was 6.
[08:23] <superm1> 0 and 1 just seem too busy
[08:23] <superm1> yeah i agree with 6
[08:23] <troy_s> superm1: The only other thing I needed to pose with you was the more or less polish on the crest -- namely the star and the newer drop shadows (they are offset now etc... little more polish).
[08:23] <troy_s> it feels pretty tight
[08:23] <troy_s> but again, it is always good to get some alternate thoughts.
[08:24] <superm1> yeah drop shadows are good :)
[08:26] <superm1> okay after my last glance over, i'm tightly between 6 and 8
[08:26] <superm1> only in the decision of whether or not to include that brown
[08:27] <DiggThis> hey superm1 have ya found a fix to the 7 or so netork icons in the desktop?
[08:27] <superm1> DiggThis, yeah, rm ~/.cache
[08:28] <superm1> well
[08:28] <troy_s> superm1: The brown will most certainly be lighter in this next pass.
[08:28] <superm1> better wording
[08:28] <DiggThis> k
[08:28] <superm1> killall nm-applet && rm ~/.cache
[08:28] <DiggThis> ill try
[08:28] <superm1> and then log out back in
[08:28] <troy_s> superm1: What I might be thinking is that the final burst will be more or less as per 6's background with a few revisions / versions on the crest.
[08:28] <superm1> okay cool
[08:29] <troy_s> superm1: With this fourth generation of work, it is the first time that I would say I have felt 'yeah this feels right' and am pretty darn satisfied with the state (minor palette decisions aside)
[08:29] <troy_s> superm1: It is all 'clicking' and has a certain restrained coolness to it.
[08:29] <superm1> haha 'restrained coolness'
[08:29] <superm1> great description
[08:30] <troy_s> superm1: Well it is kind of cool from a 'not really trying' way.  That older pastiche just feels new.
[08:30] <troy_s> superm1: I think it should progress nicely.
[08:31] <superm1> indeed
[08:31] <troy_s> superm1: Oh crappers... I sort of need you to voice your thinking on the background -- as it will probably riddle all of myth.
[08:31] <troy_s> superm1: Take note on the first four.
[08:32] <troy_s> superm1: The first four are towards the background selection.  Again, fox was of the blue on teal -- being uh...
[08:32] <troy_s> 02
[08:32] <superm1> well i dont like 00 and 01 because they are too close of color schemes in the background
[08:32] <superm1> so probably 02 for me too
[08:33] <DiggThis> thanks superm1 worked great!
[08:33] <troy_s> okie.  the blue also helps to keep the teal feeling teal.
[08:33] <DiggThis> Also now why does mythbuntu control centre get started on every startup?
[08:33] <troy_s> rather important as it is the keystone colour for the whole thing.
[08:33] <superm1> DiggThis, that should go away after rm ~/.cache
[08:33] <DiggThis> ill restart pc and see...
[08:34] <superm1> DiggThis, are you an alpha4->beta upgrade?
[08:34] <superm1> or fresh beta installs
[08:34] <troy_s> on a side note superm1, when I booth myth (from aptitude install mythtv) the thing just CHUGS slow as hell.  flipping menu items is nightmarishly slow -- as in one or so seconds between press and response.
[08:34] <troy_s> ideas?
[08:34] <DiggThis> alpha-beta upgrade
[08:34] <DiggThis> does it matter too much?
[08:34] <superm1> troy_s, do you have opengl theme painter turned on?
[08:34] <troy_s> superm1: No.
[08:34] <superm1> without a card that supports opengl
[08:34] <superm1> hm
[08:35] <troy_s> superm1: I don't think so... where is that?
[08:35] <superm1> Settings->Appearance
[08:35] <superm1> in the fe
[08:35] <DiggThis> im on kernel 2.6.22-12 is that the lastest?
[08:35] <superm1> DiggThis, yeah that is the latest
[08:35] <DiggThis> thx
[08:35] <superm1> DiggThis, well there have been some oddities of people upgrading from alpha4->beta
[08:35] <superm1> this being one of them with the control centre
[08:35] <superm1> let me think how did that person get around it...
[08:36] <troy_s> nope not on.
[08:36] <troy_s> just slow as hell.
[08:36] <DiggThis> fixed- thx
[08:36] <superm1> DiggThis, its fixed?
[08:36] <superm1> okay
[08:36] <superm1> troy_s, hrmum
[08:36] <superm1> troy_s, try launching mythfrontend in a terminal
[08:36] <superm1> and see if it starts talking to you
[08:37] <superm1> about whats going on
[08:37] <DiggThis> yes fixed the control centre prob. why in the upgrade does the mythbuntu session not log out anymore when you exit myth?
[08:37] <superm1> DiggThis, its a new behavior
[08:37] <superm1> so that you can administer the box easier
[08:37] <superm1> when you quit myth
[08:38] <superm1> you think the old way was better?
[08:38] <DiggThis> so then you've made it that mythbuntu now opens a desktop and not myth is that right?
[08:38] <superm1> well it opens up a desktop and it opens up myth
[08:39] <troy_s> superm1: How can I change the settings via a text file?
[08:39] <superm1> troy_s, which settings?
[08:39] <troy_s> superm1: Well I twiddled that gl setting on and now I can't get into the menu - it hangs early on with the wallpaper.
[08:40] <DiggThis> i dont know i dont wanna be picky but it seems that the mythbuntu desktop and the frontend should be separated as two different sessions...
[08:40] <superm1> troy_s, you can start mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[08:40] <superm1> instead
[08:40] <DiggThis> seems alot easier this way...
[08:40] <superm1> DiggThis, well the problem with that was that some people got confused how to administer things
[08:40] <superm1> well what about this
[08:40] <superm1> for a happy medium
[08:40] <superm1> if you have a setting to logout when myth quits
[08:41] <DiggThis> that sounds ok
[08:42] <troy_s> superm1: Uber slow.
[08:42] <DiggThis> so you can easily change within sessions without quiting myth
[08:42] <superm1> yeah
[08:42] <superm1> i'm not sure how easy that will be to technically implement
[08:42] <superm1> but can think about it at least
[08:42] <DiggThis> sounds good and it will fit the people that want the administration there....
[08:42] <superm1> troy_s, raeally not too sure
[08:43] <troy_s> superm1: It bitches about not being able to connect to the backend, but I would doubt that would have an adverse effect on the menu control etc.
[08:43] <superm1> troy_s, actually it might
[08:43] <superm1> DiggThis, i think the bigger majority of people would prefer to be able administer from the same session, but its hard to know for sure
[08:44] <DiggThis> doesn't worry me if i have the best of both worlds?
[08:44] <MitoTranin> superm1: Q for you... my install sat at 99% for a while, then it was at 94% saying something along the lines of "searching for packages to remove" and then it just disapeared
[08:44] <MitoTranin> any ideas as to why that would happen?
[08:46] <DiggThis> so superm1 will the functionality be pushed in future updates?
[08:47] <troy_s> superm1: So when it complains about the backend, how the hell can I let it connect (pardon the idiot questions)
[08:48] <superm1> DiggThis, we'll see if it can happen.
[08:48] <superm1> DiggThis, like i said there are some technical complications with doing so
[08:49] <superm1> MitoTranin, it went from 99->94?
[08:49] <superm1> troy_s, is the backend running?
[08:49] <DiggThis> k - do your best man, i know you will
[08:49] <troy_s> superm1: apparently not.
[08:49] <MitoTranin> superm1: yes...
[08:49] <superm1> troy_s, checkout /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log then
[08:49] <superm1> to see why its not starting
[08:49] <superm1> MitoTranin, and then it dissappeared as in the installer just went away?
[08:50] <MitoTranin> but honestly, I have that machine on a kvm with this machine, so I have only been checking in on it periodically
[08:50] <MitoTranin> yes
[08:50] <superm1> MitoTranin, you know you might want to just try that install once more.
[08:50] <MitoTranin> let me check it again
[08:50] <superm1> that's a really weird occurrrence
[08:50] <MitoTranin> heh
[08:50] <DiggThis> superm1 tell me why i can't generate application specifics for my remote cause the ability to substitute buttons for other functions would be very advantageous
[08:51] <MitoTranin> ugh... it takes forever for this livecd to work
[08:51] <superm1> DiggThis, huh?
[08:51] <troy_s> superm1: Grr... backend up... still uber-slow.  I really don't want to try a reboot.
[08:51] <MitoTranin> might I suggest a non-livecd install option for the next release :)
[08:52] <superm1> MitoTranin, yeah i'm not sure how to build a non live cd (you would think its easier than a livecd, but i would apt to disagree)
[08:52] <DiggThis> superm1 nothing happens when i click on generate application specific lirc config in control centre??
[08:52] <superm1> DiggThis, it regenerates ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[08:52] <superm1> based upon your /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[08:52] <DiggThis> so how would i config my remote to my liking then?
[08:53] <superm1> edit those two files
[08:53] <superm1> and move button configs to what you want instead
[08:53] <superm1> they're pretty straightforward files
[08:53] <superm1> ~/.mythtv/lircrc is mythtv only
[08:53] <superm1> ~/.lircrc is for all other apps
[08:53] <superm1> like xine, vlc, mplayer
[08:53] <DiggThis> in terminal?
[08:53] <sslashes> if i set the mythtv exit button to "Control Escape", how do i define that in the lirc file?
[08:53] <superm1> you can edit it an editor, in the terminal, wherever you want
[08:54] <superm1> sslashes, hrm
[08:54] <superm1> i'm not sure
[08:54] <DiggThis> superm1 do i then regenerate the lirc config? or is this to return to defaults?
[08:54] <superm1> DiggThis, when you regenerate that file, all your changes are lost
[08:54] <superm1> so i wouldnt regenerate it again after your done :)
[08:55] <superm1> well they're not lost, they are moved to ~/.lircrc-mythbuntu-old
[08:55] <DiggThis> so then that box is the same as return to remote defaults??
[08:55] <superm1> well i guess in a sense yes
[08:56] <DiggThis> ok is there any chance of getting that reworded for the general public as it confused me so I dont know how many other people would be too...
[08:56] <DiggThis> i mean in control centre
[08:57] <sslashes> superm1: i have tried Control Escape and Control+Escape as entries, but i have no idea how to do it
[08:57] <sslashes> anyone else have any ideas?
[08:57] <superm1> DiggThis, what kind of text makes more sense to you?
[08:57] <superm1> i mean it does literally what it says
[08:59] <DiggThis> superm1 I guess you could reword it to say regenerate default remote control lirc configuration
[08:59] <superm1> well the thing is it isn't a "default" remote control configuration
[09:00] <superm1> its just a list of mappings that is dynamically generated
[09:00] <superm1> based upon buttons available to the remote
[09:00] <DiggThis> sorry then, default i guess means at installation time to me
[09:01] <superm1> how about instead "Generate Application & Remote specifc button mappings"?
[09:03] <superm1> or maybe "Generate custom button mappings"
[09:03] <DiggThis> superm1 that sounds cool can it say regenerate? cause isnt it already generated when you choose the remote?
[09:04] <superm1> DiggThis, not if you do an install from gutsy (not mythbuntu live disk)
[09:04] <superm1> or if you change remotes
[09:04] <DiggThis> good point
[09:04] <superm1> how about (re)Generate custom buttons mappings
[09:05] <DiggThis> it ok. How about Generate dynamic button mappings?
[09:06] <superm1> there we go
[09:06] <superm1> that makes sense
[09:06] <DiggThis> and sounds good too LOL
[09:10] <DiggThis> superm1 there is something which i want to know while ive got ya here. How would i goto mythtv standby to conserve power and when a show starts recording it wakes up or a button on the remote waking it up?
[09:10] <superm1> DiggThis, that's a challenge i haven't investigated.  there are some wiki pages discussing it from a few people that have
[09:10] <superm1> but can't help you too much there
[09:10] <superm1> sorry
[09:12] <DiggThis> superm1 k was asking cause mythbuntu would be awesome as a total tv replacement as opposed to a tv pc and i think that the standby trick could do it
[09:12] <DiggThis> if its too hard cool but definitely a feature which i would love to have in mythbuntu.
[09:12] <superm1> yeah its a fairly complicated problem unfortunately
[09:13] <DiggThis> k
[09:14] <DiggThis> hopefully mythtv people can write it in as a plugin or something we have to wait and see i guess
[09:18] <DiggThis> superm1 did ya know that mythtv does not play dvds? when you goto play dvd?
[09:18] <superm1> DiggThis, install libdvdcss2
[09:18] <superm1> !medibuntu | DiggThis
[09:18] <ubotu> DiggThis: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[09:18] <DiggThis> k
[09:19] <DiggThis> so is it libdvdcss2 or medibuntu?
[09:19] <superm1> its in medibuntu repository
[09:19] <DiggThis> how do i add a new repos?
[09:20] <superm1> you can close myth
[09:20] <superm1> and pick system
[09:20] <superm1> and then software sources
[09:20] <superm1> and add the repo line within there
[09:21] <DiggThis> superm1 under third-party?
[09:21] <superm1> yeah
[09:21] <MitoTranin> superm1: who was taking care of the download script?
[09:22] <superm1> MitoTranin, bendailey is
[09:22] <superm1> MitoTranin, is something wrong?
[09:22] <DiggThis> superm1 where do i get the http address?
[09:22] <superm1> DiggThis, you mean the deb line?
[09:22] <MitoTranin> I just thought I'd check with them to make sure that they have my mirror enabled.  I checked the bandwidth for the day, just to see how it went, and the domain only had 447mb downloaded the entire day... which is me downloading it myself last night...
[09:23] <superm1> DiggThis, deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[09:23] <superm1> is the line i use
[09:23] <MitoTranin> which means it never was used in the rotation
[09:23] <DiggThis> superm1 it says apt line - same thing yeah?
[09:23] <superm1> oh interesting
[09:23] <superm1> yeah DiggThis
[09:23] <DiggThis> thx
[09:23] <superm1> MitoTranin, i wonder if bendailey set up the weighting wrong
[09:24] <MitoTranin> dunno... but it hasn't been used :)
[09:24] <MitoTranin> I did try the download link several times, and I was commonly getting uk, us-ca, us-tx, us-az, cdimages, and before it was disabeld I was getting us-il
[09:25] <MitoTranin> but those were the only ones I got
[09:25] <superm1> let me see if i can check the sql table to make sure you are listed
[09:28] <DiggThis> superm1 sorry again but after doing that an error occured that the public key is not available??
[09:28] <superm1> DiggThis, the public key is listed on that website
[09:28] <superm1> for medibuntu
[09:28] <superm1> MitoTranin, i think this whole weighting is messed up
[09:29] <superm1> MitoTranin, can you shoot a mail to the mailing list asking ben dailey to double check it all
[09:29] <DiggThis> superm1 so why would it give me the message then? do i ignore it u reckon?
[09:29] <superm1> its because you didn't add their public key
[09:29] <superm1> from the website
[09:29] <superm1> you can still add it
[09:29] <superm1> or ignore it now
[09:29] <superm1> you're call
[09:30] <DiggThis> how do i add it then?
[09:30] <superm1> it's described on the site
[09:30] <MitoTranin> sure... but which mailing list?  I went to sign up on it, but the one listed on the website is the ubuntu one... is there a mythbuntu one yet?
[09:30] <superm1> there should be a line for apt-key add
[09:30] <superm1> MitoTranin, the ubuntu-mythtv one
[09:30] <DiggThis> k
[09:30] <superm1> is the one
[09:30] <MitoTranin> k
[09:33] <MitoTranin> wait, ubuntu-mythtv or mythtv-users ?
[09:34] <superm1> ubuntu-mythtv
[09:34] <MitoTranin> I was wrong, the website gives a link to the mythtv-users
[09:34] <MitoTranin> The MythTV Users mailing list, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[09:34] <superm1> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[09:37] <frink_> yo!
[09:37] <superm1> hey frink_
[09:38] <superm1> you saw we went live with beta right :)
[09:38] <frink_> Whoo! No, I have been mad busy for a few days..
[09:38] <superm1> yup earlier today
[09:39] <frink_> very cool
[09:45] <MitoTranin> superm1: re: my installation
[09:46] <superm1> yea
[09:46] <MitoTranin> I just checked it again, and again it's stuck at 94% saying "checking for packages to remove"
[09:46] <MitoTranin> which is where it stopped last time
[09:46] <superm1> MitoTranin, you have the 1002 image correct?
[09:46] <MitoTranin> the cd has stopped spinning, and the HDD light isn't running...
[09:47] <MitoTranin> I'm using this image:  http://us-ca2.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-7.10~071002-i386.iso
[09:47] <superm1> MitoTranin, i asked because that is the exact characteristic of a bug that we were working around
[09:47] <MitoTranin> which passed md5 check of the iso
[09:47] <superm1> which is really a shame
[09:48] <superm1> i thought we did work around it.  at least worked for me on real hardware :)
[09:48] <MitoTranin> this is running on an AMD Duron 2GHz with 512mb ram, and a DVD- dual-layer burner as it's cdrom drive
[09:49] <MitoTranin> 20gb WD hdd
[09:49] <superm1> MitoTranin, can you check 'dmesg'
[09:49] <MitoTranin> not sure if any of that helps or not....
[09:49] <superm1> and /var/log/syslog
[09:49] <superm1> and see if there is a kernel oopps
[09:49] <superm1> or anything out of place
[09:49] <MitoTranin> would ssh be enabled on it by chance?
[09:50] <superm1> its enabled, but not started
[09:50] <superm1> eg its installed
[09:50] <MitoTranin> k, I'll start it and then ssh into it... it'd be a lot easier :)
[09:52] <superm1> well i need to get to bed myself
[09:52] <superm1> i'll check with you tomrrow
[09:52] <frink_> heh
[09:52] <frink_> night superm1
[09:52] <superm1> night
[09:52] <frink_> nice work :)
[09:52] <frink_> thanks
[09:54] <MitoTranin> superm1: still trying to open the terminal to start the sshd
[09:54] <MitoTranin> night
[09:54] <Timelord_> hi.  I'm running feisty and the latest version.  I have a problem during boot that MythTV doesnt start properly.  I can fix it by manually restarting mysql and then the backend (in that order).  Anyone have anything similar?
[09:55] <MitoTranin> Timelord_: latest version of what?
[09:55] <MitoTranin> and what problem are you getting with MythTV where it doesn't start properly (ie: what errors are you getting?)?
[09:56] <Timelord_> mythtv and all the feisty updates
[09:56] <Timelord_> i just get the configuration screen asking me what language i want.  mythweb shows a database error
[09:57] <MitoTranin> are you sure that mysql is starting up on boot?
[09:59] <MitoTranin> hey there DaveMorris
[09:59] <Timelord_> there is an entry in rc2.d and the link is good.
[10:00] <MitoTranin> Timelord_: type: dmesg | grep mysql
[10:00] <MitoTranin> or: dmesg > some-file
[10:01] <Timelord_> doesnt show anything
[10:01] <MitoTranin> if it doesn't show anything, then mysql probably isn't starting on startup
[10:01] <MitoTranin> on a fresh boot, instead of restarting mysqld check it's status
[10:02] <MitoTranin> it probably isn't started
[10:02] <MitoTranin> and that would be your problem
[10:02] <Timelord_> ok ta
[10:05] <DaveMorris> hi all
[10:05] <MitoTranin> DaveMorris: you just missed superm1 as he just went to bed
[10:05] <MitoTranin> but I have a doosie for ya :)
[10:06] <DaveMorris> /hides
[10:06] <MitoTranin> he said that the reason for the 10/02 release was to work around this exact installation bug that I'm having
[10:06] <MitoTranin> a bug that was there in the 10/01 release, and that was thought to be fixed in the 10/02 release... but I'm still getting it
[10:07] <DaveMorris> what did he want me to do then?
[10:07] <MitoTranin> the installation is stuck at 94% saying "checking for packages to remove"
[10:07] <MitoTranin> he didn't say for you to do anything :)
[10:07] <MitoTranin> just asked me to get some logs for him and he'd check with me tomorrow
[10:08] <MitoTranin> it's 4am, I have to work in the morning, but I have to wait another 6 minutes before I can head to bed... so I was just killing time, and thought I'd tell you some bad news :)
[10:08] <MitoTranin> lol
[10:09] <DaveMorris> oh, yeah if you stick the logs on the bug report and poke me when it's done with the bug number then I'll have a look.  So something like
[10:09] <DaveMorris> DaveMorris: bug #1
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:09] <MitoTranin> lol
[10:10] <MitoTranin> yeah, hadn't seen that bug :)
[10:11] <MitoTranin> the problem with getting the logs though is that I don't have ssh running...
[10:11] <MitoTranin> (since it doesn't run by default in the installer)
[10:12] <MitoTranin> and even though the system is slowly responsive to where I can right-click to get the menu etc, I told it to open a terminal about 20 minutes ago
[10:12] <MitoTranin> then again 10 minutes ago
[10:12] <MitoTranin> and again 5 minutes ago
[10:12] <MitoTranin> and sofar I still have no terminal windows with which to do anything....
[10:12] <MitoTranin> so I'm thinking it's going to have to wait until tomorrow... then I can enable ssh before I start the installer...
[10:25] <bliffle> At last! I've successfully DLed mythbuntu 7.10 beta. First couple of DLs and torrents only made it halfway.
[10:27] <bliffle> Before installing as a sibling of Feisty I better re-allocate root and home to separate partitions.
[10:51] <elmargol> is dave or mario here?
[10:52] <elmargol> I have a question about mirror_repository.sh
[11:08] <Daviey> elmargol: pong
[11:10] <Daviey> elmargol: What's up?
[11:12] <elmargol> i think find $BASEPATH -name Packages.gz -exec gunzip -f {} \; <- this is dangerous
[11:12] <Daviey> why?
[11:12] <elmargol> If i run this It creates a files called {}
[11:12] <Daviey> are you using bash or dash?
[11:13] <elmargol> I do bashGNU bash, version 3.2.13(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
[11:13] <Daviey> elmargol: tbh, that script isn't for general use.. all it does is mirror our PPA, and pgp sign the repo..  as you don't have the private key, what's the benefit?
[11:14] <elmargol> I use it for my own ppa...
[11:14] <Daviey> ahh
[11:15] <elmargol> I do some packaging for gnunet.org
[11:15] <Daviey> elmargol: where did you get the script from?
[11:15] <Daviey> from the repo, or LP bugs (where i added it)
[11:15] <elmargol> oh sorry the line is "find $BASEPATH -name Packages.gz -exec gzip -dc {} > `basename {} .gz`  \;"
[11:15] <elmargol> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-weekly-build/
[11:16] <Daviey> thats the one
[11:16] <elmargol> I think it is not ok to use pipes inside a find exec
[11:16] <Daviey> hmm.. i'm not sure why it creates a {}
[11:16] <Daviey> might have to change it to xargs then
[11:16] <elmargol> find $BASEPATH -name Packages.gz -execdir sh -c "gzip -dc Packages.gz > Packages" \;
[11:17] <elmargol> thats how i fixed it for me
[11:17] <Daviey> odd... but {} is defiently supported from -exec
[11:18] <elmargol> the problem is the > i think
[11:18] <Daviey> well your mod looks sane.. i'll try it
[11:22] <Daviey> elmargol: commited - thanks
[11:23] <elmargol> no problem
[11:23] <Daviey> elmargol: whre did you hear about my script?
[11:23] <elmargol> #launchpad i think
[11:24] <Daviey> *really*?!
[11:24] <Daviey> wooo
[11:24] <elmargol> i check it
[11:25] <elmargol> yes superm1 from #launchpad
[11:26] <Daviey> ah
[11:26] <elmargol> rgrep mirror_repository.sh \#launchpad
[11:28] <Daviey> hmm i grep'd for:  fgrep -i -n mythbuntu ~/irclogs/Ubuntu/#launchpad.log
[11:59] <DaveMorris> use | >
[12:00] <Daviey> eh?
[12:47] <laga> morning
[12:47] <laga> how many downloads have we had already? :)
[12:54] <laga> cool, 388 downloads for the i386
[12:55] <laga> and forty downloads for "mythbuntu-7.10%7E071002-i386.iso" - huh?!
[12:55] <frink_> 388
[12:55] <frink_> nice
[12:55] <frink_> shall I start a script downloading lots?
[12:55] <laga> o_O
[12:55] <laga> no? ;)
[12:56] <frink_> heh ok
[12:56] <Daviey> frink_: I got 30Mb/s from your mirror :O
[12:56] <frink_> Daviey: Was that good?
[12:56] <Daviey> i'd think so..
[12:56] <frink_> :)
[12:56] <frink_> that makes me happy
[12:56] <Daviey> <10Sec's for the iso!
[12:57] <frink_> now thats what the net is all about!
[12:58] <laga> hum, the firefox plugin finder isn't working too great. bah.
[01:42] <pdragon> hmm... tracker still giving errors
[01:50] <laga> lemme try it
[01:51] <laga> i'm downloading at 800k
[01:52] <laga> nice, 1Mbyte/s now
[01:53] <laga> connected to 9 seeders if i interpret ktorrent correctly
[02:00] <laga> yes, downloaded the whole thing in about 8 minutes via torrent
[02:48] <pdragon> oh, my download went super fast for most of it. but the tracker was on dht
[02:48] <pdragon> can't see if it's still erroring from here at work
[02:49] <laga> what's "dht"?
[02:50] <pdragon> distributed has table. it's a trackerless torrent system
[02:50] <pdragon> s/has/hash
[02:50] <directhex|work> /
[02:50] <pdragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table
[02:51] <laga> ah
[02:51] <pdragon> explains it better than i was attempting to for a momnet there
[03:05] <bendailey> MitoTranin: hello?
[03:08] <bendailey> laga: do you know who names the isos?
[03:08] <laga> no
[03:08] <laga> superm1 probably
[03:08] <laga> yeah, i think he does
[03:08] <laga> why
[03:09] <bendailey> the ~ does interesting things when used in a url
[03:09] <laga> yeah, i saw that
[03:09] <laga> i think it messes up the download counter, too
[03:09] <bendailey> the one on google?
[03:10] <laga> no, the one on mythbuntu.org which logs to the db
[03:11] <laga> http://www.mythbuntu.org/admin/build/database/table/dl_f_file/view?sort=asc&order=f_hits
[03:11] <laga> if you have access
[03:12] <bendailey> yeah I am the one who created and that is the exact problem I was talking about
[03:14] <laga> heh
[03:14] <bendailey> is it ie that does the ~ to %7E expansion
[03:14] <bendailey> what is heh?
[03:16] <laga> nothin'
[03:16] <laga> just making random noises
[03:17] <Daviey> we changed the naming of the ISO's at request of imbranon
[03:17] <Daviey> he suggested it was more 'proper'
[03:18] <Daviey> infact, I commited changes to the build script that did that
[03:18] <Daviey> I don't think it would be an issue to change ~ nto -
[03:18] <laga> as proper as imbrandon's hosting?
[03:18] <Daviey> apparently
[03:18] <laga> <- asshole
[03:19] <Daviey> yeah, i heard it was well ab(used)
[03:19] <laga> heh
[03:20] <pdragon> laga: i changed the repository in the apt source and stopped getting that hash error i was getting last night (and still this morning)
[03:20] <Daviey> pdragon: changed from what to what?
[03:20] <laga> from superm1's favourite .edu thing to something else i suppose
[03:20] <pdragon> sec
[03:21] <Daviey> yeah... i really wish he didn't commit stuff that is either superm1 or .edu centric
[03:21] <Daviey> There was a script that actually stated /home/supermario/ .. i mean.. why?
[03:21] <laga> nintendo nostalgia
[03:21] <Daviey> surely ~/ would have done it :S
[03:22] <pdragon> changed it from http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/ to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[03:23] <Daviey> IMO http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/ should *never* have got into the shipped sources.list
[03:23] <pdragon> and the security ones to http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:23] <laga> file a bug? you can easily change that in the build script btw
[03:24] <pdragon> left the launchpad ones for myth stuff
[03:24] <pdragon> k
[03:26] <Daviey> laga: if you don't do it i will... i'll fgrep for supermario, superm1 and mirror.cs.umn.edu
[03:28] <laga> Daviey: i'll leave that to you
[03:32] <bendailey> Daviey: so you think we could change ~ fairly easily?
[03:32] <Daviey> sure
[03:33] <Daviey> i'd suggest asking the mirror masters to make a symlink first :)
[03:33] <Daviey> then on the next rollout we'll change it properly
[03:33] <bendailey> I think that ~ is ugly
[03:34] <bendailey> that sounds good to me are all the master owners on the ml?
[03:35] <bendailey> s/master/mirror/
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #148957 in mythbuntu "Apt repositories giving hash errors" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148957
[03:36] <laga> pdragon: thanks for your bug report!
[03:36] <Daviey> bendailey: believe so
[03:37] <Daviey> bendailey: can you make a symlink on your boxes?
[03:38] <pdragon> np
[03:40] <bendailey> I think I can I will verify in just a minute
[03:52] <MythbuntuGuest25> Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/libmyth-0.20_0.20.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[03:53] <MythbuntuGuest25> is this supposed to happen?
[03:53] <frink_> umm, no.
[03:53] <laga> MythbuntuGuest25: https://launchpad.net/bugs/148957
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148957 in mythbuntu "Apt repositories giving hash errors" [Undecided,New] 
[03:53] <laga> somebody needs to kick the mirror admins at cs.umn.edu
[03:54] <directhex|work> so mirror.cs.umn.edu is junk? debiantastic!
[03:54] <laga> rotfl
[03:55] <Daviey> So, why should we not ship hardcoded unoffical mirrors?
[03:55] <directhex|work> article is now live! http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005
[03:56] <Daviey> Ah, your a hexus reporter eh?
[03:58] <directhex|work> freelance, but i'm friends with the owner
[03:59] <laga> how long did it take you to write that?
[04:00] <laga> took me two weeks for the 5 page article i did for the german c't
[04:01] <directhex|work> this incarnation, or generally?
[04:01] <laga> that article
[04:02] <directhex|work> 10 days in its current form
[04:03] <directhex|work> i've thrown away a few drafts in the previous months though. this was the first one i felt properly inspired whilst writing
[04:04] <laga> ah, nice
[04:19] <pdragon> hah... glad i read your article. been wondering why my windows machine can see my linux samba shares, but not the other way around
[04:19] <pdragon> will have to try that when i get home :)
[04:32] <laga> bai
[04:46] <tgm4883> looks like i've done about 3.7GB on the torrents
[04:49] <MitoTranin> bendailey: you around?
[04:51] <bendailey> MitoTranin: yes
[04:51] <bendailey> are you still having issues?
[04:51] <MitoTranin> I'm not having issues at all, other than the mirror isn't being used
[04:51] <MitoTranin> well... I take that back
[04:52] <MitoTranin> I personally can't get the new beta to install at all on my machine either... gets stuck at 94% checking for packages to remove
[04:52] <bendailey> hmmm not much help on the beta at this point but I will check on mirroring right now
[04:53] <bendailey> your are us-ca2 correct?
[04:54] <MitoTranin> correct
[04:55] <MitoTranin> I just got done reading the backlog, I'll make the - instead of ~ copies available right now
[04:56] <bendailey> ok thanks I will try and get a mail to the ml soon
[04:56] <MitoTranin> that shouldn't change the md5 should it?
[04:57] <bendailey> MitoTranin: I show that the script has redirected 119 request for the i386.iso to your server whether they downloaded or not I have no idea
[04:58] <MitoTranin> odd... my bandwidth counter shows 0 mb downloaded, and every time I tried to download the file, I get every mirror except mine
[04:58] <MitoTranin> but if I browse to the mirror manually, I can download it without problems
[04:59] <bendailey> I justed tried and I am getting only UK mirrors and I am in Indiana
[04:59] <bendailey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10~071002-i386.iso
[04:59] <bendailey> if you try that what mirrors do you get?
[04:59] <MitoTranin> cdimages
[05:00] <MitoTranin> uk
[05:00] <MitoTranin> cdimages
[05:00] <MitoTranin> uk
[05:00] <bendailey> look like you are stuck in the uk also....
[05:00] <MitoTranin> cdimages
[05:00] <bendailey> can we say bug?
[05:00] <MitoTranin> uk
[05:00] <MitoTranin> :)
[05:01] <MitoTranin> yesterday I got us-ca, us-az, us-tx, and us-il a ton
[05:01] <MitoTranin> then later in the day when I tried, all I got were the cdimages and uk
[05:04] <bendailey> does anyone have shell access?
[05:04] <MitoTranin> I'm in mine right now via shell
[05:04] <MitoTranin> what do you need?
[05:04] <bendailey> no sorry shell access to mythbuntu.org
[05:05] <MitoTranin> ah, well that would be a no from me then :)
[05:08] <DiggThis> are there any support admins here?
[05:09] <tgm4883> DiggThis, dupport admins for what?
[05:09] <tgm4883> s/dupport/support
[05:09] <MitoTranin> bendailey: the files are now available with both the ~ and the - now
[05:10] <bendailey> MitoTranin: thanks
[05:10] <DiggThis> issues with mythbuntu
[05:10] <tgm4883> ah
[05:10] <bendailey> tgm4883: do you have shell on mythbuntu.org?
[05:10] <tgm4883> well then
[05:10] <tgm4883> !ask
[05:10] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:10] <tgm4883> bendailey, yea whats up
[05:10] <bendailey> I need you to make a quick change to the download_debug script
[05:11] <DiggThis> why does updating/upgrading return hash mismatch?
[05:11] <directhex|work> argh!
[05:11] <tgm4883> DiggThis, which repo are you using
[05:11] <bendailey> superm1 fixed the download script but not the debug script
[05:11] <directhex|work> DiggThis, because mirror.cs.umn.edu sucks
[05:11] <tgm4883> bendailey, where is it located?
[05:11] <DiggThis> k
[05:11] <bendailey> download folder
[05:11] <DiggThis> can i fix this?
[05:11] <tgm4883> sec
[05:12] <bendailey> tgm4883: s/require_once("site/require_once("../site/
[05:12] <tgm4883> directhex|work, DiggThis, something probably got corrupted on their server,  Superm1 should be notified
[05:12] <DiggThis> k
[05:12] <directhex|work> tgm4883, there's a bug open on launchpad
[05:12] <DiggThis> ill post it
[05:13] <bendailey> DiggThis: https://launchpad.net/bugs/148957
[05:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148957 in mythbuntu "Apt repositories giving hash errors" [Undecided,New] 
[05:13] <Daviey> bendailey: i do
[05:13] <DiggThis> quick thx
[05:13] <bendailey> Daviey: tgm4883 is fixing I think
[05:13] <Daviey> cool
[05:14] <bendailey> Daviey: thanks I think we found a bug in my script
[05:14] <DiggThis> does anyone know what that weird logout screen with the flowers is?
[05:14] <Daviey> bendailey: the bug is that it wasn't writeen by Daviey ;)
[05:14] <tgm4883> DiggThis, you mean the login screen
[05:14] <tgm4883> bendailey, i'm fixing it, it's just really slow
[05:14] <bendailey> Daviey: true true I should have kept my hands out
[05:14] <tgm4883> my torrents are eating alot of bandwidth
[05:15] <Daviey> bendailey: no, i'm kidding - it's better than i did!
[05:15] <DiggThis> no when i shut down it hangs at a weird login screen with a flower on it before shutting down in only see it here
[05:15] <tgm4883> bendailey, download.php?
[05:15] <MitoTranin> anyone else having problems with the torrent tracker?
[05:16] <bendailey> no download_debug.php
[05:16] <MitoTranin> I keep getting disconnected from it with the error
[05:16] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, what problems?
[05:16] <bendailey> download was already fixed
[05:16] <MitoTranin> Failure: Tracker error 3
[05:16] <MitoTranin> at that point I keep seeding to anyone still connected to me, but never pickup anyone new
[05:16] <pdragon> yeah, i was getting that last night mito
[05:16] <MitoTranin> I have to stop and restart my seed every now and then
[05:16] <MitoTranin> pdragon: I got it all night last night, and still today
[05:17] <pdragon> it worked briefly this morning before i left for work
[05:17] <tgm4883> what client?
[05:17] <bendailey> MitoTranin: that might be why I am only seeing 2 seeds
[05:17] <MitoTranin> bendailey: probably :)
[05:17] <pdragon> try using a client that can do dht and you'll get better performance
[05:17] <MitoTranin> great for those two people I'm sure :)
[05:17] <MitoTranin> dht?
[05:17] <pdragon> i was on a dht tracker all last night when i was downloading it
[05:17] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, you use svn at all?
[05:18] <pdragon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table
[05:18] <MitoTranin> ah
[05:18] <pdragon> azureus can do it
[05:18] <MitoTranin> yeah, I used to use that, but the whole java thing bugged me
[05:18] <MitoTranin> then I used BitLord
[05:18] <MitoTranin> now I use BitTorrent DNA
[05:18] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, no
[05:19] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, pdragon, if your client is showing up as a browser I think you get that error
[05:20] <bendailey> tgm4883: did you find the file to make the change?
[05:20] <tgm4883> bendailey, i was just checking the whole thing, what to make sure i make the right line change
[05:20] <tgm4883> this line
[05:20] <tgm4883> require_once( 'sites/default/settings.php' );
[05:20] <bendailey> yep
[05:21] <tgm4883> and how should it look?
[05:21] <pdragon> hmm... http://www.24v-torrents.com/faq.php#66
[05:21] <bendailey> require_once( '../sites/default/settings.php' );
[05:21] <tgm4883> ok, im just going to copy that in then
[05:22] <tgm4883> done
[05:22] <MitoTranin> "Tracker error 3 is a MySQL error" is what another source says
[05:22] <tgm4883> so basically tracker error 3 is lots of things
[05:23] <tgm4883> probably though
[05:23] <pdragon> oh... do you have an account with linuxtracker, mito?
[05:23] <tgm4883> it's there sql server being overloaded
[05:24] <MitoTranin> no, I thought about getting one last night, but then didn't
[05:24] <tgm4883> There is definetly something wrong though, as I have done an unusually high percentage of the bandwidth
[05:24] <pdragon> found someone else said they were getting the same error and they didn't have an account there
[05:24] <tgm4883> pdragon, you don't need an account
[05:24] <tgm4883> as it will update it with your ip address
[05:25] <bendailey> tgm4883: can you comment out the lines that say $file="test2.iso"; and $ip="xxx.xxx.xxx.x";
[05:25] <MitoTranin> I started to get an account, but then wanted to see if I should get an invite code from someone
[05:25] <tgm4883> heh, yea let me log back in
[05:25] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, whats an invite code do?
[05:25] <bendailey> tgm4883: sorry who controls shell access to this server? Can I request it from anyone?
[05:26] <MitoTranin> tgm4883 I don't know... that was part of my question on why I didn't sign up without it :)
[05:26] <tgm4883> bendailey, superm1
[05:26] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, heh, I have 4 invites but don't know what they are for
[05:26] <bendailey> tgm4883: ok I will hit him up when I see him next
[05:27] <pdragon> got an account and found a post about that error. side admin responeded:
[05:27] <pdragon> Tracker status 3 results when the announce script returns an error (generally a mysql error) and for the most part results because your IP address has changed and you have not physically hit the site to update it (since this is an open tracker, we keep stats based on IP addresses and not keys like most private trackers) or because the torrent has been dropped from the database (yes, its rare, but we do kill torrents that do 
[05:28] <tgm4883> done, anything else bendailey?
[05:29] <bendailey> hmm let me check
[05:30] <bendailey> yes
[05:30] <MitoTranin> pdragon: odd, because my IP hasn't changed, and it works as soon as I stop and restart it
[05:30] <bendailey> remove the line: echo "user:$dbuser,pass:$dbpass,host:$dbhost,name:$dbname\n"; #debug
[05:32] <tgm4883> bendailey, commented out, done
[05:33] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, it's basically a sql error that shouldn't effect your download capabilities
[05:33] <bendailey> I am still seeing that output from that line can you remove it totally?
[05:33] <tgm4883> wait, i haven't saved it yet
[05:33] <tgm4883> heh
[05:33] <tgm4883> try now
[05:33] <bendailey> yep thanks
[05:34] <pdragon> MitoTranin: i dunno. i signed up for an account. will have to restart the torrent with the new torrent file when i get home and see if it makes a difference
[05:34] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, pdragon, there are a few other reasons that you could be seeing these issues though
[05:34] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, pdragon do you use routers?
[05:35] <pdragon> yes
[05:36] <pdragon> i've never had that issue with another private tracker i use, tho
[05:36] <tgm4883> pdragon, what router?
[05:36] <pdragon> ipcop
[05:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[05:37] <tgm4883> pdragon, well you probably wouldn't notice the issue with widely used torrents
[05:38] <tgm4883> pdragon, what is your max ports, and what is your port timeout on your router?
[05:40] <pdragon> um... not really sure
[05:40] <tgm4883> bendailey, did I need to change anything else
[05:40] <pdragon> can't seem to find anything in the ipcop manual about that kind of setting
[05:40] <superm1> mornin
[05:40] <superm1> foxbuntu, bug 149004 if you didn't see it
[05:40] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I use a custom linux router
[05:41] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, what is your max ports, and what is your port timeout on your router?
[05:41] <superm1> bug 149004
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149004 in mythbuntu-default-settings "Xfce4 splash screen causes login to hang" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149004
[05:41] <pdragon> MitoTranin: that's pretty much what ipcop is too
[05:41] <foxbuntu> superm1, alright
[05:41] <DaveMorris> weird bug there superm1
[05:41] <foxbuntu> intresting
[05:41] <samson--> E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/libmyth-0.20_0.20.2-0ubuntu8_i386.deb: Hash Sum mismatch
[05:41] <samson--> hmm
[05:41] <bendailey> superm1: can I have shell on the mythbuntu.org server there seems to be a problem with redirect script
[05:41] <superm1> samson--, bug 148957
[05:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148957 in mythbuntu "Apt repositories giving hash errors" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148957
[05:41] <samson--> superm1: thx
[05:42] <foxbuntu> superm1, I think I figured out how the animation in mice works...I am working on a sample build with out logo rather than the mouse
[05:42] <superm1> bendailey, sure
[05:42] <superm1> bendailey, pm me a public key
[05:42] <foxbuntu> our logo*
[05:42] <superm1> foxbuntu, can you see the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[05:42] <bendailey> tgm4883: thanks for the help
[05:42] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: not sure, I'd have to check and I can't right now...
[05:42] <superm1> i posted something about this last night
[05:42] <foxbuntu> superm1, no, I am not on it
[05:42] <MitoTranin> I just updated to the latest version of my torrent client, so we'll see how that goes
[05:42] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, pdragon, your router is only going to use the maximum number of ports that you tell it to.  torrents will open up lots of ports, and those ports will stay open even after they are done being used until they have been timed out
[05:42] <superm1> foxbuntu, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-October/004445.html
[05:43] <tgm4883> which means if you have hit your limit, you wont get any new connections until the timeout
[05:43] <MitoTranin> (I had checked for updates in the past, and it didn't find any... found out that the program had been renamed and I was way out of date)
[05:43] <pdragon> tgm4883: yeah, i know. i've never had this kind of problem with other widely used trackers and popular torrents, tho
[05:43] <foxbuntu> superm1, nice
[05:43] <pdragon> and i've got a few other torrents running, too, and they work fine
[05:43] <superm1> foxbuntu, read the rest of the thread
[05:43] <pdragon> i tried stopping them to see if it would help but it didn't
[05:44] <tgm4883> hmm
[05:44] <superm1> i think it will be a little bit of trouble
[05:44] <pdragon> will see if using a torrent with a registered account makes a difference when i get home
[05:44] <tgm4883> I think there is definetly an issue with linuxtracker unfortunatly
[05:44] <pdragon> i can't see that status from my remote web admin in azureus
[05:44] <pdragon> it sure is uploading a lot faster since i put the new torrent up, tho
[05:45] <tgm4883> what new torrent
[05:45] <pdragon> i registered and redownloaded the torrent
[05:45] <pdragon> so it's associated with my account
[05:45] <tgm4883> ah
[05:46] <pdragon> would only connect to 2 or 3 peers and stay around 5-7k
[05:46] <pdragon> connected to 6 peers now and going about 15-20k
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #149004 in mythbuntu-default-settings "Xfce4 splash screen causes login to hang" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149004
[05:46] <foxbuntu> superm1, awesome, I will dig back later and pick that up
[05:46] <superm1> foxbuntu, but if this splash is going to be causing the kinds of troubles it is
[05:47] <superm1> foxbuntu, then it might not be worth keeping
[05:47] <tgm4883> I don't think i ever saw this new splash
[05:47] <tgm4883> someone was suppose to send me a link
[05:48] <superm1> tgm4883, it is a moving splash, can't really show a single picture of it
[05:48] <troy_s> foxbuntu: a usplash?
[05:48] <tgm4883> superm1, no animated gif :)
[05:48] <tgm4883> no youtube video?
[05:48] <tgm4883> thats cool
[05:48] <foxbuntu> superm1, perhaps...I will build one closer to Mice and build my own sources so we can maintain it that way rather than a patch to it
[05:49] <foxbuntu> troy_s, no, a login splash for Xfce
[05:49] <troy_s> ah.
[05:49] <troy_s> i can't imagine that causing grief foxbuntu -- what is the showstopper?
[05:49] <superm1> foxbuntu, did you see the running mouse gif that Jani posted though?
[05:49] <superm1> isn't that really neat
[05:50] <pdragon> superm1: should i remove that PPA repository from my apt source?
[05:50] <superm1> pdragon, there is no need for it
[05:51] <superm1> it won't hurt
[05:51] <superm1> but its not necessary either
[05:51] <pdragon> ok. didn't know if you were maintaining different versions of myth packages there for mythbuntu, so i left it
[05:51] <superm1> na everything happens in the archive.  that is for last minute changes to the build disk
[05:51] <superm1> like the installer workaround that we have in there right now
[05:51] <pdragon> ahh ok
[05:52] <tgm4883> wow
[05:52] <tgm4883> it's going to be a big day for mythbuntu.org, i can feel it
[05:53] <superm1> why?
[05:53] <tgm4883> the stats are PST right?
[05:53] <foxbuntu> troy_s, not a show stopper atm...I am just in the process of investigating the code
[05:54] <tgm4883> superm1, we're already over 800 visits for the day
[05:55] <foxbuntu> we rock
[05:55] <foxbuntu> !!
[05:55] <tgm4883> and 226 goal conversions
[05:55] <pdragon> will have to get a /. post when final comes out. see how good your mirror hosts really are ;)
[05:56] <superm1> well i think someone with a better digg history should've submitted the article to digg
[05:56] <superm1> because that is how it gets to the front page
[05:56] <superm1> you need to be 'popular'
[05:56] <foxbuntu> yeah tgm4883 your not popular at all
[05:57] <tgm4883> :(
[05:57] <tgm4883> i tried to have someone else do it
[05:57] <tgm4883> but no, all I got in reply was go for it
[05:57] <superm1> well none of us are popular either
[05:57] <tgm4883> I blame foxbuntu
[05:58] <tgm4883> Daviey, you around?
[06:00] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, everyone blames foxbuntu....just get over it
[06:01] <foxbuntu> :P
[06:01] <tgm4883> I don't know if this has been brought up, and I just thought about it from the list email about planetmirror.  But if people (mirrors, or anyone else) are allowing downloads directly then it comprimises the google analytic stats
[06:01] <tgm4883> and it's totally up to the mirrors if they want to do that, as we are very very happy that they are helping us out
[06:02] <pdragon> hah... remember the conversation last night about a/v cables and such? http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/04/1354224
[06:02] <superm1> what are you saying then, mirrors should block direct downloads unless they refer from mythbuntu.org's download link?
[06:02] <tgm4883> no
[06:02] <tgm4883> superm1, what i'm saying is (and hinting at) is that I would hope* that they are not doing that
[06:02] <superm1> ah
[06:03] <tgm4883> and I haven't dealt with planetmirrors at all, but it just sounds like a site that offer direct downloads
[06:03] <tgm4883> I'm basically saying for future reference
[06:04] <tgm4883> if the mirrors are doing that, it's totally within there right to do so, but it doesn't give us accurate stats then
[06:05] <tgm4883> pdragon, nice link
[06:05] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: if the mirrors aren't publicized anywhere, then people can't download from them directly...
[06:05] <MitoTranin> the only way to find the mirrors is through the mythbuntu.org page...
[06:06] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, my point exactly
[06:06] <tgm4883> my comment was to mirrors to hope that they don't setup a website with a link
[06:06] <tgm4883> although I don't think they would
[06:06] <MitoTranin> I guess I'm misunderstanding then...
[06:06] <MitoTranin> ah
[06:07] <MitoTranin> advertising is good... but link to the main download link and not the individual mirror
[06:07] <tgm4883> for instance, it appears that I can download directly from planetmirrors http://public.www.planetmirror.com/
[06:07] <MitoTranin> anyways, I gotta run...
[06:08] <MitoTranin> yeah, better to link directly to the main download page...
[06:09] <tgm4883> Once superm1 rules the world we'll look into things that don't give us good stats
[06:09] <tgm4883> btw, foxbuntu, hows that algorithm coming along
[06:09] <bendailey> found the issue with the redirect script
[06:09] <tgm4883> :)
[06:09] <superm1> bendailey, fixed :)?
[06:10] <bendailey> yep no bug but I had the uk mirrors listed as the US
[06:10] <bendailey> so everyone in the US was using the UK Mirrors and the rest of the world including the UK were using the US mirrors
[06:11] <superm1> haha
[06:11] <bendailey> thought I was going crazy there for a moment but just an entry error in the h_host table
[06:13] <bendailey> superm1: thanks for shell that should make things easier...
[06:13] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, just about finished, neat thing about it, it proves that time travel is possible, that parallel universes do exists and it disproves the law of gravity
[06:13] <tgm4883> mythbuntu beta blogged http://www.pramnos.com/story69-2326.html also links to a different digg article for the beta
[06:14] <tgm4883> nice foxbuntu, i always hated gravity anyway.  Now you just have to play superm1 in horse
[06:16] <tgm4883> heh, interesting torrentportal sucks our torrent off our rss feed
[06:20] <tgm4883> heh, 1100 visits, i see our highest day yet approaching
[06:21] <tgm4883> yay, greenland joined the mythbuntu users
[06:21] <foxbuntu> on track for it
[06:26] <MythbuntuGuest90> hi have have lots of luck with mythbunt watching tv. but the dvd playback does not always work. i have some dvds that only play the intro video and then stop.
[06:26] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest90, did you install libdvdcss2?
[06:27] <bendailey> tgm4883: are the download clicks reporting in analytics?
[06:27] <MythbuntuGuest90> i dont know. is it apart of the install
[06:27] <tgm4883> bendailey, yes
[06:27] <bendailey> great
[06:27] <tgm4883> and we are on track to break that record too
[06:28] <tgm4883> in the last 2 days, 64% of the people who d/l the iso are new visitors
[06:29] <bendailey> fantastic
[06:33] <pdragon> not sure if here's an easier way, but i followed this guide for getting libdvdcss2 working: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[06:33] <pdragon> basically going to a terminal and typing: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[06:33] <pdragon> then restart the front-end and it works
[06:34] <pdragon> s/here's/there's/
[06:34] <foxbuntu> superm1, I may have a super awesome animation for a splash made now...working on getting the depends to build from source
[06:35] <tgm4883> heh freaking sweet
[06:35] <tgm4883> Mythbuntu beta blogged in Chinese
[06:35] <tgm4883> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/40380.htm
[06:36] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, we do sort of rock
[06:36] <foxbuntu> would you expect the Chinese to miss out on this?
[06:36] <tgm4883> we're blogged in french too if anyone wants to see that :)
[06:40] <MythbuntuGuest90> yes i installed but its the some thing i just get hte intro video
[06:43] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest90, you can try using a different DVD player instead of the internal player
[06:43] <superm1> xine and vlc are both available
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest90> in xine it does the soem thing. how to i lunch vlc
[06:43] <superm1> if you close myth momentarily, you can see it in the menus at the top
[06:43] <superm1> the Applications menu
[06:44] <MythbuntuGuest90> k will try
[06:44] <pdragon> superm1: libdvdcss2 isn't installed by default so dvds arent' going to play until it's manually installed
[06:44] <superm1> pdragon, correct
[06:45] <pdragon> woops... i missed the guest saying he didn install it
[06:45] <pdragon> my bad
[06:45] <pdragon> didn = did
[06:46] <pdragon> superm1: is there any other way to install libdvdcss2 besides that shells script? i tried doing it with apt or synaptic and it just says those are virtual packages
[06:47] <pdragon> or not virtual... can't remember exactly what it said. but it said something to the effect that it wasn't fully installed
[06:51] <MythbuntuGuest90> i got source cant be read. not enough rights
[06:51] <MythbuntuGuest90> thats  from xine
[06:52] <superm1> !medibuntu | pdragon
[06:52] <ubotu> pdragon: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[06:52] <pdragon> ahh ok
[06:52] <pdragon> thanks :)
[06:57] <MythbuntuGuest90> is their a way i can do a upgrade
[06:59] <superm1> from what?
[06:59] <tgm4883> FYI, the medibuntu page doesn't have a section for gutsy
[06:59] <MythbuntuGuest90> Alpha 4
[07:00] <tgm4883> even though it does exist
[07:04] <MythbuntuGuest90> so is their a upgrade from Alpha 4  to beta 1\
[07:07] <pdragon> not sure. i just reloaded mine
[07:11] <Daviey> tgm4883: you ping'd
[07:12] <tgm4883> Daviey, I noticed you were going to apply for a mirror at linuxplanet (or whatever it was) and I wasn't sure that was such a good idea (although superm1 didn't really say which way he was leaning)
[07:12] <tgm4883> planetmirror, thats what it was
[07:14] <tgm4883> planet mirror advertises and allows direct downloads straight from their site, which would compromise our stats
[07:15] <tgm4883> i mean, if we need it, then we need it, but otherwise I would forgo using planet mirror
[07:38] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest90, you can do a dist-upgrade, but I think there may be more steps in getting you over to xfce from openbox
[07:46] <pdragon> actually, when i did the dist-upgrade during the last week or so of alpha, it switched me over to using an xfce session
[07:47] <pdragon> at least, i saw that xcfe flower screen when it went to log off
[08:00] <tgm4883> yay, viagra is 77% off in Oct according to the Ubuntu Mythtv mailing list
[08:00] <pdragon> sweet
[08:00] <Daviey> cool
[08:01] <chuk> why do I get a new network icon every time I restart?
[08:01] <Daviey> but i have nuff to last me until next April
[08:01] <tgm4883> Daviey, do you know if we can rsync mirrors?
[08:01] <Daviey> i can resync us-ca* and cdimages.my
[08:02] <Daviey> oh rsync!
[08:02] <Daviey> so read it as re-sync
[08:02] <Daviey> sorry*
[08:02] <tgm4883> I just heard back from my mirror contact, i'll forward you the email and maybe you know what I need to do
[08:02] <tgm4883> ah
[08:03] <tgm4883> actually
[08:03] <Daviey> mirror contact?
[08:03] <tgm4883> this is the important part of it
[08:03] <tgm4883> Do you have an address for an
[08:03] <tgm4883> rsync module?
[08:03] <Daviey> o_O
[08:03] <tgm4883> thats was the question asked of me
[08:03] <Daviey> drupal resync?
[08:03] <tgm4883> just the iso's
[08:03] <tgm4883> they are just going to mirror the iso's for us
[08:03] <Daviey> nooooo.... drupal rsync module
[08:04] <Daviey> who is this?
[08:04] <tgm4883> osuosl
[08:04] <tgm4883> sec
[08:04] <tgm4883> http://osuosl.org/
[08:04] <Daviey> cool!
[08:05] <Daviey> we need rsync... and the obv place to have it is frinks mirror
[08:05] <tgm4883> frink_ ping
[08:05] <Daviey> as we have root... canonical's - we don't
[08:06] <Daviey> tgm4883: wanna speak to superm1 - he has root
[08:06] <tgm4883> ah
[08:06] <Daviey> on frink_'s aiui
[08:06] <tgm4883> i'll shoot him an email
[08:19] <tgm4883> Daviey, do you know whats involved with setting up rsync?
[08:19] <tgm4883> or anyone else for that matter
[08:22] <Daviey> rsync is pretty striaghforward
[08:22] <therethinker> Hey
[08:22] <Daviey> google will say how :)
[08:22] <tgm4883> ok
[08:22] <therethinker> sorry I've been out
[08:22] <tgm4883> i'm just passing on the question from superm1
[08:25] <bendailey> tgm4883: Daviey: I have done rsync servers before but it has been awhile
[08:25] <bendailey> are we talking about iso distrubution?
[08:25] <tgm4883> sweet, we'll need to set one up for the new mirror
[08:25] <tgm4883> yea
[08:25] <bendailey> you can't get an ftp account on the new mirror?
[08:25] <tgm4883> it was requested by the mirror to do it this way
[08:26] <bendailey> I wrote a script for superm1 that pushes the isos via ftp
[08:26] <tgm4883> but that pushes from his system right?
[08:26] <bendailey> all he has to do is but lines in a config file for each and tell it what files to push and away it goes
[08:26] <bendailey> it pushes from the mythbuntu.org system I believe
[08:27] <bendailey> rsync is just overkill for 4 files that change maybe once a month
[08:28] <bendailey> IMHO ^^^^
[08:30] <tgm4883> i'll relay that info and see how they respond.
[08:31] <tgm4883> bendailey, also, would I be correct in describing the d/l method as "a php script that uses location and weighted round robin to distribute the load of users downloading iso's"?
[08:32] <bendailey> tgm4883: yes that is a good description the weighting is based on available bandwidth/month
[08:32] <tgm4883> ok, i'll add that in
[08:33] <bendailey> are they ok with using external dns for the mirror?
[08:37] <tgm4883> anything else I should find out?
[08:38] <bendailey> is there a bandwidth limit/month
[08:38] <tgm4883> thats in there
[08:39] <bendailey> I can't think of anything else
[08:39] <tgm4883> ok, i'll shoot this off then
[09:12] <laga> re
[09:27] <superm1> directhex, you here?
[09:28] <superm1> or directhex|work ?
[09:28] <directhex> yes
[09:28] <superm1> you referred to two attachments from a bug regarding shutdown
[09:28] <superm1> but it was applied to trunk as http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14327
[09:29] <superm1> have you tested if that applies cleanly to -fixes too?
[09:29] <superm1> figure it'd be better to grab that changeset rather than one of the patches listed on the bug
[09:29] <directhex> no, sorry. mostly because i think the implementation of that changeset is a horrible horrible hack
[09:29] <superm1> i kinda see that
[09:30] <superm1> 542	    QString reboot_cmd = gContext->GetSetting("RebootCommand",
[09:30] <superm1>  	543	                                            "sudo /sbin/reboot");
[09:30] <directhex> and i don't really see the use case for rebooting. if someone could explain it, then i might be happier
[09:31] <superm1> hrm
[09:31] <superm1> well i'm not sure what to do then
[09:31] <directhex> superm1, i strongly suspect it *would* apply against -fixes, since mine does
[09:31] <superm1> whether that should be addressed for gutsy or not
[09:31] <directhex> it's your package, it's your call.
[09:32] <directhex> did you take a look at my article? :)
[09:32] <superm1> why wasn't yours used?
[09:32] <superm1> directhex, no i've been timeless for such things :)
[09:32] <directhex> superm1, not sure why mine wasn't used - maybe the approach was taken that if adding functionality, go the whole hog?
[09:32] <superm1> hm
[09:33] <superm1> well i have feeling i'm going to defer this to hardy then
[09:33] <superm1> just to better explore the benefits of each
[09:33] <superm1> okay i've gotta jet, just wanted to check that :)
[09:33] <superm1> cu
[09:33] <directhex> superm1, it was just something i needed to add - i'm in britain, we get lots of thunderstorms!
[09:37] <directhex> hm, i should reqrite my quit patch
[09:37] <directhex> rewrite
[09:53] <tgm4883> bendailey, ping
[09:53] <bendailey> tgm4883: pong
[09:53] <tgm4883> I just got word back from the mirror
[09:54] <tgm4883> looks like we need to setup rsync
[09:54] <tgm4883> can i forward you the email?
[09:54] <bendailey> that is fine but who owns the server?
[09:54] <tgm4883> Actually, aparently there are 3 servers
[09:55] <bendailey> no sorry the mythbuntu server
[09:55] <tgm4883> oh
[09:55] <tgm4883> jumpkick does
[09:55] <tgm4883> but if we are using frink's server for rsync
[09:56] <tgm4883> the I suppose frink_ does
[09:56] <bendailey> ok frink_ will be the one to set it up I thnk
[09:56] <bendailey> or at least install rsync
[09:56] <tgm4883> Apparently though this mirror will give us 3 servers, one in oregon, one in atlanta, and one in chicago
[09:57] <bendailey> don't misunderstand I will be gald to set it up but I will need to have permssion
[09:57] <bendailey> wow that is fantastic
[09:57] <bendailey> what was the response on dns?
[09:57] <tgm4883> favorable
[09:57] <tgm4883> totallly ok with it
[09:57] <bendailey> great
[09:58] <bendailey> do you have my email?
[09:58] <tgm4883> no
[09:58] <tgm4883> actually
[09:58] <tgm4883> i think i do
[09:58] <bendailey> just pm it to you
[09:59] <tgm4883> ok, emailed
[10:10] <laga> re
[10:12] <tgm4883> re?
[10:12] <tgm4883> re-cola?
[10:13] <tgm4883> re-diculas?
[10:13] <tgm4883> o-re-ly?
[10:13] <laga> ya rly
[10:14] <tgm4883> re-garding di-hydrogen monoxide being a dangerous chemical, it should be kept away from small children and the elderly, so as to not cause bodily harm?
[10:15] <sslashes> i can never get automatic recording transcoding working - is there something commonly done wrong?
[10:16] <laga> sslashes: senable it in your recording profile?
[10:16] <laga> BTW, i talked to the yi.org guy - looks like there might be a mythweb.de dyndns service some time in the future :)
[10:18] <sslashes> laga: auto transcode is enabled in the Default, High and Low Quality recording groups, yet it never works
[10:20] <foxbuntu> afternoon laga
[10:21] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, your mirror is 100GB limit month right?
[10:22] <foxbuntu> neg
[10:22] <foxbuntu> 2.5TB
[10:23] <laga> hi foxbuntu
[10:23] <tgm4883> ah ok
[10:26] <foxbuntu> !pastebin | tgm4883
[10:26] <ubotu> tgm4883: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:27] <tgm4883> thanks
[10:27] <laga> guys, i need to register a .de domain in the US. where could i do such a thing? (assuming i was a US citizen)
[10:27] <tgm4883> hmm
[10:27] <tgm4883> i dont know, that laga seems kinda fishy to me
[10:28] <pdragon> http://www.domainregistry.de/de-domain.html
[10:29] <pdragon> http://www.europeregistry.com/domains/domains-de.htm  or there maybe
[10:29] <laga> pdragon: thanks
[10:30] <laga> heh, lots of weird domains :)
[10:31] <pdragon> that first one seems kinda weird
[10:31] <pdragon> first one that came up in google tho
[10:31] <laga> cool, europeregistry.com can act as german admin-c for free
[10:31] <pdragon> nice
[10:48] <therethinker> hey
[10:49] <foxbuntu> ho
[10:50] <therethinker> hum
[10:51] <foxbuntu> being what?
[10:52] <therethinker> being here :P
[10:56] <laga> o_O
[10:56] <laga> no need to apologize
[10:56] <laga> some people in here do have a real life, too
[10:56] <laga> therethinker: i hacked a bit on mcc, so if you plan on working on it you might wanna do a bzr up
[10:59] <therethinker> Okay, thanks :P
[10:59] <therethinker> I'm working on finding said life... its hard
[10:59] <tgm4883> If anyone's going to be in Oregon on the 20th you're invited to the Oregon Team's Gutsy Release Party
[11:01] <therethinker> Is it coming out the 18th, or the 20th?
[11:02] <therethinker> nevermind
[11:02] <therethinker> (18th)
[11:02] <tgm4883> 18th
[11:02] <tgm4883> but it's hard to have a LoCo party for very long on a week night
[11:02] <therethinker> okay, so lets see, I need to work on Ubiquity, right?
[11:03] <therethinker> Yeah :P I can imagine :P
[11:08] <therethinker> Someone said that if I couldn't find the recipe file in the trunk, I'd have to do something else... what was that something else?
[11:08] <laga> no clue
[11:08] <therethinker> What's new in the trunk, just bugfixes?
[11:09] <laga> in mythtv trunk or ubiquity or mcc?
[11:09] <therethinker> mcc
[11:09] <laga> features and fixes
[11:09] <laga> check the commit log
[11:09] <therethinker> The Changelog hasn't been changed since 0.2 :P
[11:09] <laga> bzr log
[11:09] <laga> ok, g'night
[11:09] <therethinker> ah
[11:12] <tgm4883> we are so close
[11:12] <therethinker> That's good for you guys :P
[11:13] <tgm4883> next update should pass the download mark
[11:13] <laga> close to what?
[11:13] <tgm4883> most downloads in a day for mythbuntu iso
[11:13] <tgm4883> and visits in a day
[11:13] <therethinker> That's cool :P
[11:13] <laga> cool
[11:13] <tgm4883> we are going to break that record, probably in the next hour
[11:13] <therethinker> *refreshes mythbuntu.org*
[11:14] <laga> about 710 downloads for i386
[11:14] <therethinker> wow
[11:14] <tgm4883> superm1, should get a speech prepared
[11:14] <tgm4883> laga, for the beta?
[11:14] <therethinker> :P
[11:14] <laga> yeah
[11:14] <therethinker> How healthy are the torrents?
[11:14] <laga> not counting torrents
[11:15] <tgm4883> they are pretty healthy, but those don't get counted in the downloads
[11:15] <therethinker> Yeah, I was just curious
[11:15] <tgm4883> we need 3 more downloads to break the record
[11:16] <therethinker> wow, you're averaging roughly a 2 downloads every 3 minutes
[11:16] <therethinker> (for today, although that's assuming that you have the same rate at 2 AM :P)
[11:16] <tgm4883> Torrent AMD 64 Total Traffic	1.46 GB
[11:17] <tgm4883> Torrent i386 Total Traffic	5.32 GB
[11:17] <therethinker> How popular is the 64?
[11:17] <Daviey> guys, why are we not hosting the .torrent file?
[11:17] <tgm4883> Daviey, we had some issues with our tracker
[11:17] <tgm4883> it pretty much freaked out
[11:17] <Daviey> tgm4883: yeah, but why not host the torrent file from the external tracker?
[11:17] <tgm4883> hopefully we'll have it back for the rc
[11:17] <Daviey> then we could count clicks :)
[11:18] <tgm4883> that would almost work
[11:18] <Daviey> *ALMOST*?
[11:18] <tgm4883> except I found out today that the torrent gets ripped off anyway from our rss feed
[11:18] <laga> why cant we count clicks on the torrent file
[11:18] <tgm4883> we can, but we will miss out on some
[11:18] <tgm4883> http://www.torrentportal.com/details/1416756/mythbuntu-beta-i386.html
[11:18] <Daviey> all we need to do is save the torrent file, and put it on our mirrors - surely
[11:19] <tgm4883> yes
[11:19] <Daviey> ah, torrentportal shows stats
[11:19] <laga> Competed Downloads: 10
[11:20] <laga> Seeders: 30    Leechers: 120
[11:20] <laga> cool
[11:21] <therethinker> I'll seed it... once its downloaded :P
[11:21] <pdragon> 0.695 Share Ratio since i uploaded the new torrent this morning :)
[11:21] <tgm4883> i've been seeding alot
[11:21] <tgm4883> usually im not at the top of the seeders
[11:21] <pdragon> yeah, i've been pretty constant since then
[11:22] <tgm4883> but I seeded from school yesterday for a couple hours and that really helped
[11:22] <tgm4883> i was uploading at 1.5Mbits
[11:22] <therethinker> Wow
[11:22] <pdragon> i have my upload capped fairly low so i don't piss my ISP off :p
[11:23] <therethinker> I never use BT, but hopefully this won't piss them off :P
[11:23] <tgm4883> eh, that was just at school, now I can only do like 100Kb/s
[11:23] <pdragon> i use it constantly, and i've never heard anything from them
[11:23] <pdragon> but i try and keep it controlled and do huge downloads over night
[11:27] <tgm4883> still only the 1 person from kenya though
[11:27] <pdragon> looking at your peers?
[11:27] <therethinker> :p
[11:27] <tgm4883> no, visitors of mythbuntu.org
[11:27] <pdragon> ahh
[11:27] <tgm4883> 1 visit from kenya
[11:27] <tgm4883> downloaded the ISO on Sept 13th
[11:28] <tgm4883> Daviey, we should also break apart the goal conversions for amd64 and i386
[11:41] <tgm4883> just FYI, i was looking at the wrong graph earlier, we need 100 more ISO downloads *whoops*
[11:43] <therethinker> Is this graph public?
[11:43] <MitoTranin> 100 more downloads for what?
[11:43] <therethinker> Break the record
[11:44] <tgm4883> the iso
[11:44] <tgm4883> I don't think it's public, lets find out
[11:44] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I figured that part :)
[11:44] <tgm4883> https://www.google.com/analytics/reporting/dashboard?id=4891129&pdr=20070903-20071004&cmp=average&trows=10
[11:44] <therethinker> I can see your credit card number!
[11:44] <therethinker> Naw, its hidden
[11:44] <tgm4883> sweet, and my SSN too?
[11:45] <MitoTranin> I get a sign-up page... lol
[11:45] <therethinker> Yep
[11:45] <therethinker> And your REAL real name
[11:45] <therethinker> You've been caught... Joshua Gradien!
[11:46] <tgm4883> you got me
[11:47] <therethinker> is registering public on mythbuntu.org?
[11:52] <Daviey> any samba pro's here?
[11:53] <MitoTranin> depends on what you classify as a pro
[11:53] <MitoTranin> I've used it a bunch... but never did any dev for it
[12:05] <Daviey> MitoTranin: any idea how to make //Server/* work?
[12:05] <Daviey> i can get //Server/folder/* working
[12:05] <Daviey> but not the root
[12:10] <MitoTranin> what are you trying to do?
[12:10] <MitoTranin> are you trying to mount //server/folder to a folder on your drive, or?
[12:11] <MitoTranin> if you're trying to browse the share, it might be disabled...
[12:11] <MitoTranin> samba can disable root folder sharing
[12:11] <MitoTranin> so you can access the shared folders directly, but you can't access the computer itself to see what shares it has available
[12:14] <Daviey> hmm
[12:15] <Daviey> I want "guest" to be able to write to root
[12:15] <Daviey> ie //server
[12:15] <Daviey> currently get error: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[12:16] <MitoTranin> that's impossible to "write" to //server
[12:16] <MitoTranin> because //server is the server name
[12:16] <MitoTranin> that's not a share
[12:16] <MitoTranin> you have to share a folder
[12:16] <MitoTranin> namely, //server/folder/
[12:16] <Daviey> oh.. thats working
[12:16] <Daviey> i thought you could write to root
[12:16] <Daviey> ah well
[12:16] <Daviey> thanks
[12:17] <MitoTranin> nope, there's nothing there to write too
[12:17] <MitoTranin> it's virtual
[12:17] <Daviey> and you can't map it to a share?
[12:17] <MitoTranin> are you familiar with windows networking much?
[12:17] <Daviey> nope
[12:17] <Daviey> i suck at windows admin
[12:18] <Daviey> hence, not much need for samba :)
[12:20] <MitoTranin> think of it this way
[12:20] <MitoTranin> litterally, the //server can be substituted with //10.1.1.20
[12:20] <MitoTranin> it's just another dns name
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[12:21] <MitoTranin> now imagine that to be the main page of a forum
[12:21] <MitoTranin> you wouldn't want people posting messages right there...
[12:21] <MitoTranin> you create sub-forums, and people make posts into there
[12:22] <MitoTranin> you go to the main page to see the directory structure, and then you go to the apropriate forum
[12:22] <MitoTranin> same with file sharing
[12:22] <MitoTranin> you go to the parent share, or the computer share
[12:22] <MitoTranin> this lists which printers are shared and which folders are shared
[12:22] <MitoTranin> then you have to go into the shared folder to do anything
[12:25] <tgm4883> Daviey, who set up the goal conversions?
[12:29] <tgm4883> who mirror is us-il
[12:29] <MitoTranin> I think that was fox's
[12:30] <tgm4883> it's down/has issues and needs to be fixed
[12:30] <MitoTranin> he knows
[12:30] <MitoTranin> it's supposed to be out of rotation
[12:30] <tgm4883> it's not
[12:30] <tgm4883> bendailey, ping
[12:33] <Daviey> tgm4883: goals? LP goals?
[12:33] <Daviey> that was laga i think
[12:33] <tgm4883> google analytic goals
[12:34] <tgm4883> we have surpassed the mark for visitors
[12:34] <Daviey> MitoTranin: ta
[12:34] <Daviey> o/
[12:34] <Daviey> that was superm1
[12:34] <tgm4883> ok
[12:34] <tgm4883> 20 iso's to go :)
[12:34] <MitoTranin> ta?
[12:35] <MitoTranin> brb, family is hollering for dinner :)
[12:37] <tgm4883> our torrent has hit a couple different torrent sites now
[12:38] <therethinker> Whoo
[12:41] <therethinker> when was the last time we broke the record?
[12:41] <therethinker> s/we/you
[12:43] <tgm4883> honestly, yesterday
[12:43] <therethinker> :P
[12:43] <therethinker> what is the record?
[12:44] <tgm4883> actually i lied
[12:44] <therethinker> :p
[12:44] <tgm4883> yesterday was the record for iso's
[12:44] <therethinker> Are you a compulsive liar? I'm not
[12:44] <therethinker> okay, I am
[12:44] <therethinker> ah
[12:45] <tgm4883> wtf, now I got no data, sec
[12:45] <tgm4883> thats what I get for looking at our 2 visits from cuba
[12:45] <therethinker> :P
[12:46] <tgm4883> 1,366 visits on Sept 17th
[12:46] <therethinker> wow
[12:46] <tgm4883> today 1546 so far
[12:46] <Daviey> 450 are probably us :)
[12:46] <tgm4883> could be
[12:46] <therethinker> Can you get a curve over 24 hours?
[12:47] <tgm4883> although we did get alot of new comers from china in the last 2 days
[12:47] <tgm4883> therethinker, i think so
[12:47] <tgm4883> let me check
[12:47] <therethinker> cool
[12:47] <therethinker> china doesn't block him
[12:47] <tgm4883> iso record is 456
[12:48] <tgm4883> we are at 437
[12:48] <tgm4883> I thought it was interesting that fidel allowed someone else to get mythbuntu :)
[12:48] <Daviey> right.. /me bed
[12:48] <Daviey> nn
[12:49] <therethinker> :P
[12:49] <therethinker> fidel?
[12:49] <therethinker> so can you get a graph of visitors over time?
[12:50] <tgm4883> i get a graph my day, but im pretty sure I can get it by hour
[12:51] <tgm4883> night Daviey
[12:52] <therethinker> night
[12:55] <tgm4883> yep, i can get hourly of some things
[12:56] <therethinker> Cool
[12:56] <therethinker> Can you take a screencap or something of the hourly ISO?
[12:56] <therethinker> Along with your real name, SSN, and Credit card info?
[12:57] <therethinker> s/your/your (insert_someone_you_know)
[12:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:00] <tgm4883> heh, i'm not exactly sure how I should be reading this report
[01:00] <tgm4883> our timezone is set for GMT-6
[01:00] <tgm4883> but it shows 24 hours of data
[01:00] <therethinker> That's sort of correct, right?
[01:01] <tgm4883> so is it the last 24 hours, or is 17:00 still 5:00 PM?
[01:01] <therethinker> Yeah
[01:01] <therethinker> so last 24 hours...
[01:01] <tgm4883> well the way it's formatted is confusing
[01:02] <tgm4883> it starts at 00:00 (obviously)
[01:02] <tgm4883> and that should be midnight central time
[01:02] <therethinker> ah
[01:02] <tgm4883> sec
[01:02] <tgm4883> ah much better
[01:03] <tgm4883> It was showing me hourly data for evey day of the last 30 days
[01:03] <therethinker> that's nicer
[01:03] <tgm4883> so there were 30 1:00's
[01:03] <tgm4883> now I just have it set for today
[01:05] <tgm4883> looks like we push roughly 25 iso's an hour
[01:07] <therethinker> cool
[01:07] <therethinker> Is that @ 450 a day?
[01:07] <therethinker> or like 400?
[01:09] <tgm4883> well thats just today
[01:09] <tgm4883> we push over 300 a day usually
[01:09] <tgm4883> but today and yesterday will be over 450/day
[01:10] <therethinker> wow
[01:10] <therethinker> that's odd
[01:10] <tgm4883> nah, beta release will do that
[01:10] <tgm4883> wait till final
[01:10] <therethinker> :p