[01:25] <LjL> mneptok: note how that guy, who likes so part so quickly, has such an interesting realname: ubuntu_ n=ubuntu 213-65-172-147-no96.tbcn.telia.com * Live session user
[01:26] <LjL> ahum - let me type that line again, just a test
[01:26] <LjL> mneptok: note how that guy, who likes so part so quickly, has such an interesting realname: ubuntu_ n=ubuntu 213-65-172-147-no96.tbcn.telia.com * Live session user
[01:26] <LjL> ubuntu_ n=ubuntu 213-65-172-147-no96.tbcn.telia.com * Live session user
[01:26] <LjL> i think ubotu thinks that's a bug number
[01:28] <Pici> LjL: Why do you think that?
[01:28] <LjL> Pici: try.
[01:28] <Pici> I did.
[01:28] <LjL> on the channel.
[01:28] <Pici> oh
[01:28] <LjL> or in -bots, same
[01:29] <Pici> Yeah, I pasted the realname my ubotu query window.
[01:29] <Pici> xml error.
[01:31] <Pici> !ping
[01:31] <ubotu> pong
[01:35] <Pici> LjL: Could you help me with warrior: http://pastebin.com/m3c090178
[01:36] <Pici> hes in #ubuntu and querying me
[01:37] <LjL> Pici: helped
[01:37] <Pici> Thanks :)
[01:37] <Pici> er. Okay.
[01:37] <LjL> Pici: he wasn't being nice with you in query.
[01:37] <Pici> Oooh.
[01:39] <LjL> hahah "aggiornated"
[01:39] <LjL> that's nice
[01:41] <LjL> Pici: he's asking me why i banned him. can i answer the truth?
[01:42] <LjL> actually, i'm just inviting him here. bear with some italian.
[01:44] <warrior> ci sono
[01:45] <LjL> warrior, you have been banned because you were a bit offensive with pici.
[01:45] <LjL> he, and the other people, were just trying to point you to the best channel.
[01:46] <LjL> capito che ho detto?
[01:46] <warrior> pici  un rompi scatole...perch anche mentre parlavo in inglese continuava a dirmi di andarmene....gli ho solo detto se aveva finito di rompere le scatole....
[01:47] <LjL> non hai usato proprio quel termine.
[01:47] <LjL> in questi canali siamo piuttosto "stretti" in quanto a linguaggio.
[01:48] <warrior> lo so...mi scuso:quando leverai il ban sar libero di entrare nel canale a parlare come posso in inglese per imparare la lingua?
[01:48] <LjL> warrior: io ti consiglio, se vuoi imparare la lingua, di usare #ubuntu-offtopic, dove si pu parlare liberamente di quasi tutto (sempre con educazione) - #ubuntu  solo per supporto tecnico, quindi probabilmente ti conviene usare #ubuntu-it
[01:49] <LjL> comunque, io ora tolgo il ban.
[01:49] <LjL> per non trattare male la gente semplicemente perch usa il bot per darti informazioni.
[01:50] <LjL> Pici ti stava dicendo proprio che puoi usare #ubuntu-offtopic per imparare la lingua, nel secondo messaggio
[01:50] <warrior> ok mi scuso ancora! gli andr immediatamente a chiedere scusa!
[01:56] <warrior> scusa ancora questo canale a cosa serve?
[01:57] <warrior> LjL e come era il nome del canale di prima?
[01:57] <LjL> warrior: questo canale  per questioni come appunto i ban. il canale di prima, quale? #ubuntu?
[01:58] <warrior> si,come si chiamava? ubuntu-com?
[01:59] <LjL> warrior: semplicemente #ubuntu
[02:00] <Vorian> okie dokie
[02:00] <Vorian> welcome one and all
[02:00] <Vorian> oops
[02:00] <warrior> ok,anche se mi dice su offtopic che si parla solo inglese....
[02:00] <Hoff> Hello
[02:00] <Vorian> LjL, yep so sorry :)
[02:00] <Hoff> Please can I be unbanned from main ubuntu
[02:00] <LjL> warrior: s, sia su #ubuntu sia su #ubuntu-offtopic si parla inglese. gli unici canali per l'italiano sono #ubuntu-it e #ubuntu-it-chat
[02:01] <Hoff> You can perma ban me from all channels if I act up again
[02:01] <LjL> warrior: ma tu dicevi che volevi imparare meglio l'inglese
[02:01] <warrior> ok, ma io su offtopic parlavo inglese...
[02:01] <LjL> Hoff: how come you've changed your nickname?
[02:01] <Hoff> I change nicknames quite a bit
[02:01] <Ant1jr> there
[02:02] <LjL> warrior, gli dir che vuoi imparare l'inglese. ti mandano su -it semplicemente perch pensano di aiutarti.
[02:02] <LjL> Ant1jr: how am i supposed to believe you aren't going to troll again, after those behaviors?
[02:03] <Ant1jr> I can't really prove that I won't unless you unban me :/
[02:03] <Ant1jr> At least I can't think of a way
[02:03] <LjL> Ant1jr: you've been given more than one chance already, however
[02:03] <gnomefreak> ban evaader watch -offotpivc
[02:03] <gnomefreak> -offtopic even 
[02:03] <Ant1jr> I've never been banned before on ubuntu
[02:03] <Ant1jr> before now
[02:03] <LjL> Ant1jr: you were on -offtopic.
[02:04] <LjL> gnomefreak: noted.
[02:04] <gnomefreak> if i had to gues he was identified and couldnt join #ubuntu so he logged off fast :)
[02:04] <Ant1jr> I was looking for you
[02:04] <LjL> gnomefreak: precisely.
[02:04] <gnomefreak> yep he did it too
[02:04] <Ant1jr> what
[02:04] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:04] <Ant1jr> what are you talking about
[02:04] <Ant1jr> I havent evaded any bans
[02:04] <Ant1jr> Yes I came on offtopic
[02:05] <Ant1jr> but im still on there atm
[02:05] <Ant1jr> I didnt quick log off
[02:05] <warrior> ok grazie ancora di tutto e scusa per prima ora devo riavviare ciao!
[02:05] <LjL> gnomefreak: ugh, i'm so lagged
[02:05] <gnomefreak> me too
[02:05] <LjL> Ant1jr: no, we weren't talking about you now
[02:05] <gnomefreak> what about him in +1?
[02:05] <Ant1jr> oh ok
[02:07] <Ant1jr> well what about me then
[02:10] <gnomefreak> Xero: where is your host mask?
[02:10] <Xero> What do you mean? My cloak or my real hostmask?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> @unaffiliated/xero9364
[02:10] <gnomefreak> why did you change it?
[02:11] <Xero> I changed it because i wanted to use the name Xero. Someone was using my nick so I ghosted them.
[02:11] <gnomefreak> after stating and pasting that you couldnt join #ubuntu
[02:12] <Xero> -NickServ- [Xero]  has been killed 
[02:12] <gnomefreak> Xero: why both with same real name?
[02:12] <Xero> What do you mean?
[02:13] <Xero> Like from whois?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Xero and Xero9364 have same real name as you and same everything 
[02:13] <Xero> I know.
[02:13] <Xero> Xero9364 is me. Xero is the account I was supposed to be using, but someone was on it.
[02:13] <gnomefreak> so the person with the cloak was not you is what you are saying?
[02:14] <Xero> No. I'm saying the only reason I was even using that nick was to ghost the guy on my real one.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> Xero: how did they get a hold of you ubuntu account on your pc
[02:14] <Xero> I might be running 2 clients or something, but I very highly doubt it.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> seeing as thats about the only way to connect using same info as you
[02:15] <Xero> joining #ubuntu was me. xero9364 = xero. Some other guy was using the nick "Xero".
[02:15] <Xero> I ghosted them after joining a chennel i was -supposed- to be banned in and being confused.
[02:16] <Xero> s/chennel/channel
[02:16] <gnomefreak> xero9364 >  Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). Aren't I  supposed to be banned from -this- channel, not  #ubuntu?
[02:16] <gnomefreak> 20:03 <        xero9364 > Oh.
[02:16] <gnomefreak> was that you?
[02:16] <Xero> Yes. That was me
[02:16] <gnomefreak> did you not right after saying Oh changed to non cloaked user?
[02:16] <Xero> I changed nicks after ghosting a person on my real one, so yes I changed cloaks.
[02:17] <Xero> Accidentally, but yes.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> why didnt you identify right after changing instead of joining a channel you were banned from?
[02:17] <Xero> I have no idea, really.
[02:17] <Tm_T> accidentally evaded ban? sure possible, but funny if true
[02:18] <Xero> I'm totally confused now. Either way, like I said, it's no big deal. If I'm banned I'll deal with it in a calm manner.
[02:18] <Xero> Tm_T, it's true. I accidentally evaded a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic by having some guy logged in as my nick.
[02:18] <LjL> Xero: a guy who had your very same hostname?
[02:18] <LjL> i mean, if that guy was connecting from your own computer...
[02:19] <LjL> it might have been you
[02:19] <Xero> Then it was revealed that my old nick ( I didn't know this) was banned from #ubuntu probably over a month ago.
[02:19] <Xero> So I'm confused.
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Xero: if you have who was using your id than i will be glad to speak with this person to clear it up
[02:19] <Xero> I don't have the hostname. I just ghosted them.
[02:19] <LjL> well, i have his hostname, though
[02:19] <LjL> and it's your hostname
[02:19] <gnomefreak> its the unaffilated?
[02:20] <Pici> LjL: Which?
[02:20] <gnomefreak> or the ip?
[02:20] <Xero> Let's not try to explain anything to me, as I am stupid. Just let me be banned and move on with your lives. 
[02:20] <Tm_T> heh
[02:20] <Pici> Xero: I think thats a good idea.
[02:20] <gnomefreak> for him to have your cloak he would know your passwords i suggest changing them just incase
[02:20] <Tm_T> I wonder why he is banned anyway
[02:20] <LjL> gnomefreak, Pici, hostname ("IP").
[02:20] <Xero> gnomefreak, I did change them.
[02:21] <Xero> Tm_T, probably offensive language.
[02:21] <Tm_T> Xero: when?
[02:21] <LjL> Tm_T, lots of reasons, check the trcker..
[02:21] <Pici> brb
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ok we will come back to this and loook at it again after a while but for now im sorry as it looks this ban is good and will stand for now.
[02:21] <Tm_T> LjL: I see, thats enough for me :)
[02:22] <Tm_T> I'm only curious, not going to judge anything
[02:22] <Xero> gnomefreak, like I said, I'll be banned. I could really care less as long as I have -somewhere- to talk to Linux people.
[02:22] <Ant1jr> I'm back
[02:22] <Ant1jr> can I please be unbanned from ubuntu
[02:22] <Xero> I think the whole investigation thing was pointless, as I already knew I was banned, and what for, even if by accident a ban was evaded.
[02:23] <gnomefreak> Xero: do you remember why you were banned in first place?
[02:23] <Xero> gnomefreak, that account, I think, was banned for offensive language over a month ago.
[02:23] <Pici> fyi: 20:22:50 [freenode]  -gsp0tz(n=my@cpe-74-71-130-171.twcny.res.rr.com)- Make free cartoons & silly ecards on 
[02:23] <Pici> I also got one when I joined #ubuntu
[02:23] <Tm_T> @btlogin
[02:24] <Pici> -gsp0tz(n=my@cpe-74-71-130-171.twcny.res.rr.com)- LOL, http://www.pici.is-a-jerk.com found on google :)
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Xero: that is what im seeeing but i wanted to make sure that is why. ok we will review this ban again in 2weeks or so and we will let you know. thank you for flighing #ubuntu-air
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Pici: who is that?
[02:24] <Xero> No, seriously, DON'T review it.
[02:24] <Pici> gnomefreak: Someone noticing people as they join/part ubuntu
[02:24] <Pici> LjL took care of it.
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Pici: i saw
[02:24] <Pici> okay :)
[02:25] <Xero> I'll just go somewhere else. Please don't make a big deal of things. I'm happy, you're happy, we're all happy. 
[02:25] <gnomefreak> Xero: its not our policy to ban people and not review it.
[02:25] <Tm_T> Pici: =)
[02:25] <Pici> Also, I'm not a jerk :p
[02:25] <gnomefreak> im online talking about why someone i dont know was banned (wonders where happy is in this)
[02:26] <Tm_T> Xero: yes, we are happy when nobody is banned
[02:26] <ubotu> In ubotu, kitche said: mysqlreset is To reset MySQL root password see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html
[02:26] <Xero> gnomefreak, okay, but you're wasting your time on me. Seriously, just keep me banned. 
[02:26] <Ant1jr> Please unban me
[02:26] <Ant1jr> Please
[02:27] <Xero> Just to repeat myself, I'm okay with it as long as I have -somewhere- to go that I can talk to other Linux users.
[02:27] <Ant1jr> Ill never troll again I swear
[02:27] <gnomefreak> Ant1jr: hold on we are reviewing it as we speak
[02:27] <Ant1jr> alrigh
[02:27] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[02:28] <LjL> Xero, ##linux, #defocus, possibly others. certainly not #ubuntu-ops ;)
[02:34] <LjL> !etiquette > Ant1jr    (Ant1jr, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:34] <LjL> !guidelines > Ant1jr    (Ant1jr, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:34] <LjL> !coc > Ant1jr    (Ant1jr, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:35] <LjL> make very sure you've read all of that, before rejoining #ubuntu.
[02:35] <Ant1jr> ok
[02:35] <Ant1jr> ty
[02:35] <Pici> Who is liarc?
[02:36] <LjL> i don't think i have the slightest idea
[02:36] <Pici> liarc: Howdy. How can we help you?
[02:39] <gnomefreak> but i dont think so
[02:39] <Pici> Wasnt that earlier today?
[02:40] <gnomefreak> not for me
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i saw it the other day
[02:40] <gnomefreak> yesterday day before something
[02:41] <Pici> Completely different hostnames.
[02:41] <LjL> well
[02:41] <LjL> he joined one day ago, and never said anything
[02:41] <LjL> and i think his channel list is almost full
[02:41] <LjL> paaah
[02:42] <LjL> whatever.
[02:45] <Tm_T> muhahahaha
[04:15] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, MythbuntuGuest04 said: ubotu what is that?
[04:51] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:26] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  ping
[05:26] <nalioth> pong, effie_jayx 
[05:26] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[05:26] <Cpudan80> Will one of the FNode staffers PM me please?
[05:27] <Cpudan80> ty
[05:27] <effie_jayx> how do I set a channel to invisible... so it doesn't show on the public list of channels
[05:27] <effie_jayx> it is a non ubuntu channel by the way
[05:27] <nalioth> For tips and information on channel and user modes and management, see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml effie_jayx 
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: +s?
[05:28] <Pici> odd.
[05:28] <effie_jayx> cool
[05:28] <effie_jayx> Pici,  yeah ... 
[05:28] <effie_jayx> windows staff?
[05:28] <effie_jayx> could it be that someone was trolling in a windows channel?
[05:29] <Pici> Could be, but I would have asked in #freenode, not #ubuntu-ops
[05:29] <Pici> Anyway, sleeptime for me.
[05:29] <effie_jayx> must have been an ubuntu user
[05:33] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  I set the mode to +s and chanserv sets it back to -s
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: check your mlock
[05:33] <effie_jayx> mlock?
[05:33] <nalioth> effie_jayx: /msg chanserv help set mlock
[05:33] <effie_jayx> thanks
[06:52] <admin8tor> please help me rejoin ubuntu, I have changed ports.
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> admin8tor: all set
[06:57] <admin8tor> thank you much! :)
[08:01] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:00] <Gary> elkbuntu, woo, move went okay?
[10:01] <elkbuntu> yeah... just waiting on broadband now
[10:01] <Gary> eeek, dial up?
[10:02] <elkbuntu> si
[10:02] <elkbuntu> sucky as
[10:02] <elkbuntu> cant even use google maps, which would be awfully handy in a new city and all
[10:03] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[10:04] <elkbuntu> well, you can, but half the images time out and stuff because it takes so long... and a zoom wastes like 5 minutes
[10:05] <elkbuntu> and of course, whitepages.com.au decides to include everything within a 200k radius, and im so not going to go get a pizza from 200k away
[10:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:57] <gnomefreak>  /msg chanserv help set mlock
[11:00] <gnomefreak> omg 04:59 -!- Irssi: #bash: Total of 327 nicks [321 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6  normal] 
[11:02] <gnomefreak> ;) i just cant believe the amout of ops for one channel
[11:04] <gnomefreak> oh and still not sure what nlock is the command /cs help set nlock doesnt work
[11:32] <gnomefreak> 3 python books you would think hello world would be in one of them :(
[11:33] <rob> gnomefreak, do you know any other language? If so, just read diveintopython (google for it, its free on the net). 
[11:34] <mc44> print "hello world"
[11:34] <mc44> ;)
[11:34] <gnomefreak> rob: i have that book and yes i know alot more C than anything
[11:35] <Hobbsee> it's in ubuntu, too
[11:36] <gnomefreak> yep its installed by default iirc
[11:38] <gnomefreak> rob: im gonna hack it to print on /n for 10 or 15 times but being as the whole script for hello world is "print hello world" makes it a bit harder IMHO
[11:39] <gnomefreak> the purpose is to show someone how defining varibles works example x = hello y = world   print x y
[11:40] <gnomefreak> i know that block wont work just example
[11:44] <bobsomebody> ah i didnt know this was here
[11:44] <bobsomebody> curious q, i have had 2 bans from #ubuntu
[11:48] <rob> print "Hello World!" would be the simplest example
[11:48] <rob> or you could do:
[11:48] <rob> main():
[11:48] <rob>     print "hello world"
[11:48] <rob> if __name__ == "__main__":
[11:48] <rob>     main()
[11:48] <bobsomebody> i dont DHCP, and im not a complete jackhole most of the time, just kinda curious if there is a way to tell me why i got banned at all?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: from where?
[11:50] <bobsomebody> i was banned from #ubuntu
[11:50] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: what is your quit message? wondering if you were the user banned for that
[11:51] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[11:51] <bobsomebody> ummm, i dont think i have one, and its usually a family rated one
[11:51] <gnomefreak> looking brb
[11:51] <bobsomebody> ty
[11:52] <bobsomebody> one time i think i had it commin, but that was for pasting the debian cow, i wasnt paying attention to the system carrot
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im not showing a ban on you 
[11:52] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: ah yes i think i remember that
[11:52] <bobsomebody> gnomefreak, it lifted sometime in the last 48-72hrs
[11:52] <bobsomebody> well that was a while ago
[11:52] <bobsomebody> like a month at least, maybe 1.5mo's
[11:53] <gnomefreak> the ban was lifted?
[11:54] <bobsomebody> yeah, i got back in
[11:54] <bobsomebody> a couple days ago i got a ban msg
[11:54] <bobsomebody> said pretty much something like cannot join #ubuntu you are banned.
[11:54] <bobsomebody> that was all i really got
[11:55] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-lb, Merlintosh said: !Magaltavor is founder of ubuntu-lb shall you need more info look it up in Guiness book of records..
[11:55] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: are you still banned in #ubuntu atm
[11:56] <bobsomebody> no
[11:56] <bobsomebody> im in there
[11:56] <bobsomebody> helping someone with a crashed x11 :P
[11:56] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-lb, Merlintosh said: !Magaltavor is founder of ubuntu-lb
[11:56] <stdin> do you always use that nick or do you have another?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> stdin: he was banned fro the cow but hes no longer banned 
[11:57] <bobsomebody> always this nick
[11:57] <gnomefreak> i remember the nick
[11:57] <bobsomebody> i have registered it and many variations
[11:58] <bobsomebody> like nick_ nick__ and spelling changes abrevs
[11:58] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: hint next time dont ask why you were banned if the ban was lifted
[11:58] <bobsomebody> well i want to know why
[11:58] <bobsomebody> because i would like to avoid being a jackhole if possible
[11:58] <bobsomebody> besides, i like ubuntu
[11:59] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: i cant find it on bantracker at all but if you pasted the cow thing in channel that is why
[11:59] <bobsomebody> yeah but that one only lasted 24 hrs and i knew about it
[11:59] <bobsomebody> this time i seriously wasnt here afair
[11:59] <stdin> gnomefreak: that's why I asked, I can't find a ban (in place or removed) 
[12:00] <bobsomebody> maybe someone masqed my ip?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: oh dmn hold on can you please list the names you have registered
[12:00] <overclucker> you wouldn't mind showing me the cow, would you?
[12:00] <overclucker> hehe
[12:00] <gnomefreak> overclucker: he does it in here you will get the boot
[12:00] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[12:01] <Tm_P> mooh
[12:01] <bobsomebody> overclucker, its the easter egg in apt-get line for line
[12:01] <overclucker> just joking, i'm sure he would show more brains that that
[12:01] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: is all you have bobsomebody_ or __ or ___
[12:02] <bobsomebody> bobsomeone, bobsumone, bobsumbody, bobsumbody_, bobsumbody__, and the three variants u listed
[12:02] <bobsomebody> afair
[12:02] <ikonia> I know those nicks
[12:03] <bobsomebody> lately i have only used bobsomebody myself
[12:03] <bobsomebody> and i think bobsomebody_ signs on but never joins (dif computer) and i kill the connection
[12:04] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: non of them are listed in bantracker 
[12:04] <bobsomebody> hm, anything close?
[12:04] <bobsomebody> bobon1100 also
[12:04] <gnomefreak> i searched all names you listed none of them are pulling up a ban
[12:04] <bobsomebody> (forgot the lappy)
[12:05] <bobsomebody> gnomefreak, bobon1100 gives nothing?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> nope, here i will have ubotu give you a few links if in doubt always check the links that are given
[12:05] <gnomefreak> !coc > bobsomebody 
[12:05] <gnomefreak> !rules > bobsomebody 
[12:05] <bobsomebody> ok, if I get banned again I am able to return to this channel right?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: you got 2 pms from ubotu
[12:05] <gnomefreak> bobsomebody: if you get banned yes come to this channel
[12:06] <bobsomebody> yeah i got them
[12:06] <bobsomebody> ok ty, i didnt know this chan was here
[12:06] <gnomefreak> good since i cant find the bans that is next best thing
[12:06] <bobsomebody> nice place :)
[12:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-lb, Merlintosh said: !Dell is a Leading Hardware provider that offers ubuntu as an operating system of choice on its desktops, Dell is a direct partner to businesses and consumers that delivers innovative technology and services.
[12:08] <bobsomebody> ok, ty again
[02:31] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:32] <ikonia> guys theskorm in #ubuntu is just being a real pain, abuseive, spamming me with bot messages etc etc.
[02:33] <ikonia> thanks guys
[02:34] <gnomefreak> anyone else scripts messed up?
[02:35] <gnomefreak> i can remove anyone tells me its not a command
[02:36] <stdin> works here
[02:36] <jrib> can I test on you?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> 08:36 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ar :(
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ok who was the one that did that :( trying to fix something
[02:39] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:39] <gnomefreak> can i just start trying to remove random lurkers?
[02:40] <stdin_> you can remove me :)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ah 2 nicks
[02:41] <gnomefreak> now it works
[02:41] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm maybe too long uptime?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> jdong: let me know when you are ready to work ;)
[02:42] <stdin> I've seen the python plugin stop working sometimes, I couldn't find a reason
[02:42] <gnomefreak> stdin: ty :)
[02:42] <stdin> :)
[02:42] <gnomefreak> i use irssi/perl scripts
[02:42] <jdong> gnomefreak: when classes are done this afternoon, I'd love to.
[02:42] <gnomefreak> jdong: ok cool 
[02:43] <stdin> I guess it could just be one of those random things
[02:43] <gnomefreak> jdong: let me know and i can give you a bug with a complete debdiff for a backport (not sure exactly what to do with it so i figured id ping you 
[02:43] <gnomefreak> stdin: my color scripts stops working at times as well
[03:08] <Jucato> %login
[03:24] <Tm_T> AkIntI [n=grakit_w@88.232.133.3]  in #ubuntu did msg spam me, am I only one?
[03:24] <Pici> When?
[03:31] <Tm_T> Pici: 1 hour 25 min ago
[03:31] <Tm_T> -+5 min
[03:31] <Pici> Tm_T: I didn't get anything :/
[03:32] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:32] <Tm_T> why me!?!
[03:32] <Pici> You're so popular!
[03:32] <Tm_T> :(
[03:38] <gnomefreak> hes acting up again?
[03:38] <gnomefreak> we unbanned him last night
[03:38] <Tm_T> meh
[03:38] <Tm_T> how about permanent?
[03:38] <gnomefreak> please tell me hes not acting up
[03:39] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: i suggested that the first time but couldnt find why i said that last night so we unbanned him but we know to log it now
[03:39] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: do you still have the pm?
[03:39] <Tm_T> I think I have a log
[03:40] <gnomefreak> can i see what he sent you, that will determine what is done next and ill just ping ljl about it when i see him
[03:40] <gnomefreak> after all that shit last night
[03:42] <Tm_T> 15:03 <AkIntI> add contact MsN >> SEra_FameLa@hotmaiL.CoM
[03:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:42] <Tm_T> thats what my awaylog has
[03:42] <Tm_T> weird, looks like my autolog has gone off
[03:42] <gnomefreak> that might be wrong person
[03:42] <gnomefreak> that might not be him
[03:43] <Pici> Hrm.  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04basics.html suggests to use Automatix with Ubuntu.
[03:43] <gnomefreak> hes gone if he comes back let one of us know or if you can ban him if he does it again to anyone
[03:43] <gnomefreak> any people wonder why NYC is messed up
[03:44] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: well I was away when that happened but sure I will yell it out if it happens again
[03:46] <gnomefreak> There is the price: Linux is free, or nearly so.  << not entirely true at all RHLE sells for ~$80.00 in retail stores
[03:48] <jdong> gnomefreak: that's a cheap RHEL license... but still, you get Redhat support with that money
[03:48] <jdong> gnomefreak: and you have to admit, RHN is really sweet
[03:49] <Pici> I think the article is poorly written for a NYT feature.
[03:49] <jdong> being able to see a Web GUI view of update status of your entire network?
[03:49] <jdong> that's awesome.
[03:49] <gnomefreak> eh i never liked it i liked fedora more but that has gone to hell as well
[03:49] <jdong> gnomefreak: so much of what we have we owe to Fedora/Novell's work, even if we don't like their distros we still have to value their efforts
[03:50] <gnomefreak> jdong: agreed
[03:50] <gnomefreak> fedora 1 or 2 was one of my first distros cant remember is suse or fedora came first for me
[03:51] <jrib> automatix site seems broken anyway
[03:51] <stdin> maybe they uses the automatix scrip on the site and it broke ;)
[03:51] <Pici> Good.
[03:53] <gnomefreak> im gonna email them on this since automatix does screw up so many systems, just have to remember sisters number
[03:53] <Pici> gnomefreak: I couldnt find any contact information for the author on NYT, but I did find his website: http://pcanswer.com/about/
[03:54] <gnomefreak> Pici: ty ill look but my sister should have the contact info i need
[03:54] <jdong> but I agree with the fact that it's a terrible NYT article.
[03:54] <jdong> gnomefreak: I make it my goal to try out every Fedora and SUSE release just to see what they have going....
[03:55] <jdong> gnomefreak: I am investigating how Opensuse 10.3 can spawn grub->gdm in about 10 seconds... :)
[04:02] <gnomefreak> 10 seconds? good luck ;)
[04:03] <jdong> gnomefreak: I am leaning towards some sort of kernel readahead/prefetch patch. There's nothing that they do in userland that can do it.
[04:03] <jdong> gnomefreak: I mean, the thing feels like an XP bootup. During the whole procedure, the disk quietly and smoothly slurps up data, never stopping, and the boot never stalls waiting for this to happen....
[04:04] <jdong> the stalling part of my bootup is a DHCP request, which is seconds 7 to 10
[04:04] <jdong> total silence, then as soon as that's done, BOOM X flips on and GDM is ready, no disk activity at all
[04:04] <jdong> whatever they're doing, they're doing it right....
[04:05] <gnomefreak> is there that many modules more than we have in kernel for it to load
[04:05] <jdong> gnomefreak: the module count looks roughly identical to me....
[04:05] <jdong> gnomefreak: but somehow even while modprobe is executing, their prefetcher can still continue to cache disk activity.
[04:05] <jdong> that's something that we can't do
[04:06] <jdong> module loading blocks userspace, so their prefetcher must be in kernel.
[04:06] <gnomefreak> why cant we?
[04:06] <jdong> our readahead-list implementation is in userland, blocked when hardware is probing :(
[04:06] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:07] <jdong> gnomefreak: currently, our readahead slurps up everything as soon as the disk mounts, stalling bootup until that happens (you probably notice that every bootup)
[04:07] <gnomefreak> yep
[04:07] <jdong> that's the best thing we can do now, it's faster than backgrounding the readaheader and pushing on with boot.
[04:07] <jdong> keybuk was talking about a new set of kernel prefetch patches implemented as a SoC project
[04:08] <gnomefreak> cool
[04:08] <jdong> hopefully that puts us back on the top again :) That and whenever we actually START using upstart.
[04:08] <gnomefreak> we are on top ;)
[04:08] <jdong> for the average joe, startup speeds are still important. Particularly when we can't suspend/hibernate reliably on 50% or more of hardware out there...
[04:17] <LjL> jdong: who is "they" whose prefetcher works outside userland?
[04:19] <Pici> jdong: Have you looked at a bootchart?
[04:25] <jdong> LjL: I suspect Opensuse
[04:25] <jdong> Pici: lol working on it, as soon as I wrestle with its initrd thing.
[04:25] <jdong> Pici: it's a new and foreign nix :)
[04:26] <jdong> and I'm too distracted using apparmor to lock down Intel's stupid ipw3945d thing.
[04:26] <LjL> jdong: don't be sarcastic, i wasn't there when you started talking about this :P then again, is there a reason we absolutely *have* to work in userland?
[04:26] <jdong> LjL: no, there isn't. The reason we do it now is because it's simple and unintrusive
[04:27] <jdong> we intend to replace it with a nice kernel-based solution developed in SoC
[04:27] <jdong> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticBootAndApplicationPrefetchingSpec
[04:27] <jdong> spec. :)
[04:28] <LjL> jdong: and application prefetching? let's see.
[04:33] <jdong> LjL: apparently so :)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> what is the mediubuntu?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> is that the spelling?
[04:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: yes
[04:33] <LjL> jdong: uhm, only thing i'm dubious about is the "i'll hack something together to shuffle data on ext3". i think this is arguably *the* main issue, and should be dealt with at the core, by making ext3 provide a suitable interface
[04:33] <gnomefreak> jdong: ty
[04:33] <LjL> which you yesterday said is in progress
[04:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: it's like debian-marillat on Ubuntu
[04:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: restricted codecs, etc....
[04:33] <LjL> gnomefreak: medibuntu
[04:33] <gnomefreak> jdong: yep :)
[04:33] <LjL> !medibuntu
[04:33] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:34] <gnomefreak> i writing to the author atm and hate to missspell things
[04:34] <jdong> gnomefreak: it's my recommended place to get things like w32codecs, libdvdcss2, without automatix :)
[04:34] <jdong> and Lutin rocks :)
[04:34] <jdong> gnomefreak: are you pointing him to the Tech Board's analysis of automatix?
[04:38] <ubotu> In ubotu, wdh said: locobot is logs are found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
[04:38] <gnomefreak> anyone know the old name for the canonical commericial
[04:38] <gnomefreak> repos
[04:38] <jdong> gnomefreak: feisty-commercial? that one?
[04:38] <gnomefreak> jdong: yes
[04:39] <jdong> on archive.canonical.com
[04:39] <gnomefreak> ah ty
[04:39] <jdong> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/
[04:39] <jdong> it seems to be called "gutsy" for gutsy?
[04:39] <jdong> surely enough, "gutsy/partner" contains Opera...
[04:40] <LjL> http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/ is a 404
[04:40] <LjL> hm
[04:40] <LjL> !-locobot
[04:40] <ubotu> locobot has no aliases - added by elkbuntu on 2006-12-04 14:09:50
[04:40] <ubotu> In ubotu, wdh said: no, locobot is logs are found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
[04:40] <gnomefreak> jdong: it does partner is the new name for it as of gutsy
[04:40] <LjL> !no locobot is <alias> logs
[04:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[04:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: ah, ok, thanks
[04:41] <LjL> !no logs is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[04:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[04:41] <LjL> !logs | wdh
[04:41] <ubotu> wdh: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[04:41] <wdh> LjL, thx
[04:47] <gnomefreak> ok wrote the email and blogged about the article and pasted the email i sent in the blog ;)
[04:47] <gnomefreak> should be on planet sometime today :)
[04:52] <Pici> Neat :)
[04:57] <jdong> LjL: oh btw, speaking of readahead, I wrote up a HOWTO on readahead'ing the login sequence: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565651
[04:57] <jdong> it's a tad hackish but yielded excellent results on my heavyweight startup
[04:58] <jdong> (40s -> 20s in optimal conditions, 40s->30s in worst)
[04:58] <Pici> Nice.
[05:54] <ikonia> use in #ubuntu with the nick "cumface"
[05:59] <nalioth> if it comes back with another stellar nick, we'll see
[06:01] <effie_jayx> heheh
[06:32] <BikOS> would like to ask about ubuntu a question, i have my bars on the desktop, they have disappered is there any way to enable them again manualy?
[06:32] <mneptok> Seveas: GONG
[06:33] <mneptok> BikOS: this is not a support channel. try #ubuntu
[06:33] <BikOS> i am here because i was redirected when i tried to join #ubuntu because i am on a web IRC client and thus i was considered useing a proxy, and i am not
[06:33] <BikOS> so forgive me
[06:33] <mneptok> 12:32 CTCP VERSION reply from BikOS: CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06) - http://cgiirc.sf.net/
[06:34] <mneptok> that CGI::IRC client is not allowed in #ubuntu. please use a different client.
[06:34] <BikOS> got a link for me?
[06:34] <BikOS> wait
[06:34] <mneptok> what OS?
[06:35] <BaKKaR> i am on ubuntu linux
[06:35] <mneptok> you can use GAIM/Pidgin
[06:35] <BaKKaR> i had xchat and kvirc but it won't start
[06:35] <BaKKaR> i had a bad upgrade to Gutsy or Gipsy and trying to recover
[06:36] <BaKKaR> ok
[06:36] <BaKKaR> now it works
[06:36] <BaKKaR> sorry
[06:36] <mneptok> there you go
[06:36] <mneptok> np
[06:36] <BaKKaR> see ya
[06:36] <BaKKaR> exit
[06:36] <mneptok> salaam
[06:37] <BaKKaR> salam :)
[06:37] <mneptok> chokhran :)
[06:47] <Pici> ookay
[07:03] <Seveas> mneptok, que?
[07:03] <mneptok> jebus. what timing.
[07:04] <mneptok> i was just about to unping.
[07:36] <LjL> jdong: problem with making login readahead standard would be... who knows if the user is going to log into gnome, kde, xfce, xfwordjce, or what?
[07:36] <jdong> LjL: each session script should at least have a readahead associated to it.
[07:36] <jdong> LjL: even slurping up all the data before booting the login session has a good benefit
[07:37] <jdong> a precache guess is a bonus but not the only benefit :)
[07:37] <LjL> jdong: yeah i'm thinking indeed of caching *before* the login begins
[07:39] <jdong> LjL: that can be a gamble on multiuser systems... However, if the login session script kills existing readahead attempts before trying to login, that's easily mediated.
[07:40] <jdong> the only thing you "lose" then is some battery life from extra disk activity
[07:40] <LjL> jdong: i think it'd be much better if we could just put the files in a contiguous fashion on the disk, and then just login normally...
[07:41] <LjL> the files should *really* be placed in the correct positions though
[07:42] <jdong> LjL: agreed -- there should be some sort of system-wide profiling that both (1) migrate frequently accessed files closer to beginning of filesystem (2) Group together files on disk by statistical correlation.
[07:43] <LjL> jdong: i think the latter would be much more effective than the former - though harder to achieve. as we were saying the other day: sure, the beginning of the disk can be twice as far than the end, but what does it matter, when 99% of the activity is seeks?
[07:43] <jdong> LjL: once #2 falls into place, the gains of #1 will be extremely significant.
[07:44] <jdong> 30% faster raw read on average? That's gonna be a big deal (tm)
[07:44] <LjL> jdong: probably, yeah. but what would be the difference between *before* #2 and after? probably more like 80%
[07:44] <jdong> LjL: agreed
[07:45] <jdong> LjL: #2 is a lot harder to accomplish though
[07:45] <jdong> LjL: and in the inner rings of a disk, even the seek times are faster....
[07:45] <LjL> jdong: yes. but i think without #2, #1 is not really significant
[07:46] <LjL> hm, well then
[07:46] <jdong> a histogram of access counts is a LOT easier to do than statistical correlation and ordering of files :)
[07:46] <LjL> jdong: doesn't 'preload' do some sort of statistical correlation?
[07:47] <jdong> LjL: pretty horribly IMO :) Most of the times it is pretty far off.
[07:47] <jdong> LjL: mainly because it's costly to do false-alarms.
[07:47] <jdong> LjL: moving files around is a 1-time cost, preload is a cost at each execution.
[07:47] <LjL> jdong: yeah, but i was thinking of the statistics it takes, not of how it acts on them
[07:48] <jdong> LjL: right, it does try to do statistics.
[07:48] <jdong> new process launched -> files touched
[07:52] <LjL> jdong: anyway, i agree that doing all the statistics is hard if you want to do it for everything in the system
[07:52] <LjL> jdong: but if you just want to stat the time between login and, say, 1 minute after login, is it still that hard?
[07:52] <LjL> you basically just have to write a timestamp for each file opened - and any seeks
[08:07] <jdong> LjL: once a profiling mechanism is in the kernel (like the prefetch patches SoC) it will be extremely easy.
[08:07] <jdong> LjL: currently? next to impossible. Nasty calling inotify on like 1 million inodes :)
[08:07] <LjL> jdong: profiling *and* online shuffling of files on ext3...
[08:08] <jdong> LjL: right; both of which are already available in various patchsets
[08:08] <jdong> the ext4 folks have an online defrag API already
[08:08] <LjL> jdong: ext4 is quite far in the future, isn't it? is there anything that might make it into the linux trunk?
[08:08] <LjL> ... before the next decade?
[08:09] <jdong> LjL: well the patch works for ext3 all the same, ubuntu can merge it whenever they feel daring :)
[08:09] <jdong> LjL: the thing is, we're not exactly a daring distro :)
[08:10] <LjL> jdong: well if it's merged in Linux, not by Ubuntu, i think it'd be better. it's a filesystem with peope's data on it that we're talking about after all - and we're talking about moving those data around ;)
[08:10] <LjL> jdong: still weren't you saying that opensuse have the profiling part in the kernel already?
[08:11] <jdong> LjL: I havne't had the time to diff their kernel to find out for sure, but I am almost certain by the way the readahead touches the disk it's kernel-based
[08:15] <jdong> LjL: once we massively parallel our bootup, we could just set the disk scheduler to Anticipatory, then say wait 1 second before any seek, and that'll drastically reduce seeks :)
[08:16] <jdong> that's my hackishly sinful suggestion of the day.
[08:41] <nalioth> we ahve unauthorized logging going on:  www.ircarc.com
[08:48] <nalioth> i just removed them from #ubuntu and #kubuntu 
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: who is it?
[08:51] <nalioth> i've banned it for now
[08:51] <nalioth> but check that site for more surprises
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: this channel is on the list too
[08:52] <gnomefreak> what site?
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: http://www.ircarc.com/
[08:52] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:53] <gnomefreak> who is that?
[08:53] <nalioth> gnomefreak: that was the unauthorized logbot
[08:53] <nalioth> gnomefreak: wake up and scroll up
[08:53] <Pici> ooh
[08:53] <gnomefreak> oh well i cant i just got here
[08:55] <gnomefreak> seems there is an awfully heavy load on my system today i cant open browser, OO.o gedit nothing :(
[08:58] <gnomefreak> t logs?
[08:58] <gnomefreak> am i looking at logs
[09:00] <Pici>  /who 87.118.* returns quite a few.
[09:01] <nalioth> we're rustling up a freight car for 'em
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> is it refridgerated?
[09:02] <nalioth> they're bots
[09:04] <coreymon77> guys
[09:04] <coreymon77> help
[09:05] <coreymon77> we are having a problem in the #kubuntu channel
[09:06] <coreymon77> bit of an attitude problem with the user jMerliNz, can you hang around and keep an eye on this
[09:06] <gnomefreak> nalioth: looks like it ended already
[09:06] <stdin> I am watching in there coreymon77
[09:06] <gnomefreak> as is me :)
[09:06] <coreymon77> thanks, and you too naltioth
[09:06] <nalioth> coreymon77: there are quite a few of us there
[09:12] <gnomefreak> coreymon77: hes not worth it, how old is you pc? what the hell differnece does it make old pc with new hardware ;)
[09:12] <coreymon77> im going to try
[09:12] <coreymon77> i just may need some backup if it gets out of hand
[09:13] <gnomefreak> oh boy have at it if it gets out of hand just yell :)
[09:13] <gnomefreak> im scared my troll is back tooo
[09:15] <coreymon77> gnomefreak: and who would that be?
[09:15] <Pici> Aww.. how come you get your own troll?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> cr something he was in +1 when i looked
[09:18] <Pici> Ah. Crozar
[09:18] <gnomefreak> Pici: hes boarderline troll i spent what hour or so with him
[09:18] <gnomefreak> yes him
[09:20] <gnomefreak> osmosis is there please keep eye on him
[09:20] <gnomefreak> he has been known to do stupid stuff, thinking he was banned the other day from somewhere he ended up here and i dont remember after that
[09:22] <gnomefreak> coreymon77: your friend is gone for a while or just rebooting?
[09:22] <coreymon77> livecd
[09:22] <coreymon77> gone to try using a livecd
[09:23] <gnomefreak> k
[09:25] <gnomefreak> 15:24 <      coreymon77 > pippo: i said pastebin! lmao what do you think they listen?
[09:26] <gnomefreak> ;)
[09:26] <coreymon77> what
[09:26] <coreymon77> i had to stop him
[09:26] <gnomefreak> you told him to use pastebin (why did you think he would listen?)
[09:26] <LjL> nalioth: ... how did you get from liarc to that site?
[09:26] <gnomefreak> they never do
[09:27] <gnomefreak> LjL: the users in #ubuntu and #kubuntu afaik were the site and liarc just a bot
[09:27] <nalioth> LjL: a user came into ##apple and informed me that we were being logged publically
[09:28] <gnomefreak> i saw you klined him again
[09:28] <LjL> nalioth: hm i see
[09:28] <LjL> eiarc?
[09:28] <LjL> same users, or is there a lot of [[:alpha:] ] iarc?
[09:28] <LjL> s/users/user/
[09:28] <LjL> the latter, i'd say
[09:28] <LjL>  /who *iarc
[09:29] <LjL> meh let me whois them
[09:29] <LjL> :P
[09:29] <nalioth> if you see them, let a staffer know
[09:29] <gnomefreak> oh damn i didnt notice the names are the same
[09:30] <nalioth> (preferably me first)
[09:30] <LjL> nalioth: sure
[09:30] <gnomefreak> eiarc and/or liarch?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> -h
[09:30] <nalioth> they are ?_iarc  or ?iarc
[09:30] <nalioth> or iarc_?
[09:30] <LjL> gnomefreak: there were a lot of them, same/similar IP, just not in the channel
[09:30] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:30] <LjL> [21:28:39]  [Who]  iiarc is n=iiarc@62.141.49.57 (iiarc)
[09:30] <LjL> [21:28:39]  [Who]  hiarc is n=hiarc@62.141.49.57 (hiarc)
[09:30] <LjL> [21:28:39]  [Who]  liarc is n=liarc@87.118.68.59 (liarc)
[09:30] <LjL> [21:28:39]  [Who]  miarc is n=miarc@87.118.68.59 (miarc)
[09:30] <Pici> ljl: /who 87.118.*
[09:31] <LjL> i don't know which channels they were in
[09:31] <LjL> since they appear to have "gone" now =)
[09:31] <Pici> Most are iarc channels
[09:31] <Pici> I'll pastebin
[09:32] <nalioth> LjL: they were in lots of channels: www.ircarc.com lists them
[09:32] <nalioth> LjL: and they're all klined
[09:32] <LjL> nalioth: so, the *iarc's *were* the ones logging
[09:32] <Pici> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39564/
[09:33] <LjL> Pici: weird that my own /who gave fewer results
[09:33] <nalioth> LjL: and the iarc_?
[09:33] <Pici> This was from 30min ago
[09:33] <Pici> before the klines
[09:34] <nalioth> wow.  #ubuntu-mobile
[09:34] <LjL> nalioth: well, they're still the same IPs as the ones without the _
[09:34] <LjL> actually, there's two IPs that i can see
[09:34] <LjL> 62.141.49.57 -- none online, now
[09:34] <nalioth> LjL: there were several IPs
[09:34] <LjL> and 87.118.68.59 -- some 87.118.*.* are online, but they seem ok
[09:34] <Pici> I didnt see any nicks from the IP of the webserver.
[09:35] <LjL> nalioth: well that's the only meaningful two that my /who gave
[09:35] <LjL> but i guess you'd already started weeding out
[09:35] <gnomefreak> nalioth: #ubuntu-bugs
[09:35] <gnomefreak> nevermind im slow
[09:36] <LjL> Pici: neither did i, but the ip of the webserver is 62.141.48.57, which is not really very different from 62.141.49.57
[09:36] <Pici> LjL: I only recognized the first half of the ip anyway.
[09:59] <gnomefreak> anyone know who the linux foundation is?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> "This was suggested by staff from Linux Foundation. "
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/About
[10:03] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:06] <jdong> 16:04 < runemaste644> horray for dynamic ip adresses
[10:06] <jdong> 16:04 < runemaste644> bans dont last long at all
[10:06] <jdong> slow clap.
[10:07] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I saw a jdong ;)
[10:08] <jdong> gnomefreak: whatever you need I'm kinda bored now :)
[10:08] <LjL> jrib: see above, your ban in #ubuntu
[10:09] <jrib> LjL: i removed his ban a while ago
[10:09] <LjL> jrib: ah. bantracker doesn't mark as removed
[10:09] <LjL> ah duh i was looking at the kick actually.
[10:09] <LjL> nevermind.
[10:17] <gnomefreak> jdong: flashplugin-nonfree backport for dapper to fix md5sums. ill give you bug that i uploaded crap to
[10:17] <gnomefreak> jdong: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/147688
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147688 in flashplugin-nonfree "wrong md5sum" [Undecided,In progress]  
[10:17] <gnomefreak> can you push? what should i do to get it through ect...
[10:18] <jdong> gnomefreak: looks awesome, source-change backports require core-dev to sponsor into -backports
[10:18] <jdong> gnomefreak: then poke an archive admin and say I apporved it
[10:19] <gnomefreak> jdong: can you put that in bug that you approved it just in case you are afk
[10:20] <jdong> gnomefreak: of course, doing that right now
[10:20] <gnomefreak> ty sir
[10:21] <gnomefreak> ok pinged crimsun
[10:40] <gnomefreak> next time someone says "its just a simple print this script" im gonna hurt them :(
[10:40] <gnomefreak> simple == python knowing wtf a /n is
[10:40] <gnomefreak> \n is even
[10:46] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: ie, you're trying to translate that to python-speak?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:46] <gnomefreak> python uses as i thought \n for newline or linefeed (so i thought) it errors on the \n
[10:47] <gnomefreak> take it out it errors on the next line
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> I'm confused
[10:50] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: in python \n should be for newline/linefeed but when you use it in the code it errors on it as a syntax error
[10:50] <gnomefreak> remove the \n and it doesnt give that error anymore
[10:50] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: so it just needs to be escaped?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> for that line yes
[10:51] <gnomefreak> it want the output to loop and be on new line for each time it runs through loop
[10:54] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: example http://paste.ubuntu.com/610/
[10:55] <gnomefreak> now from what i understand that should print jane sees doug 5 times each on a newline
[10:55] <tonyyarusso> ah
[10:55] <gnomefreak> atleast separately they are shown to work in idle
[10:55] <gnomefreak> but i hate idle
[10:58] <gnomefreak> atleast thats what i gather should work
[10:58] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: magnetron is likely to spam you with !lol reprimands.  Please dont take these personally it is his only joy in life.
[11:00] <Pici> ...
[11:05] <gnomefreak> whos night is it to babysit #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> are we allowing http://xkcd.com/ links some of them seem a bit off COC
[11:07] <gnomefreak> in -offtopic
[11:08] <mc44> you should ban them just because everyone already reads xkcd so people linking to it is annoying
[11:08] <gnomefreak> the thought passed my mind but wanted to make sure first
[11:10] <LjL> gnomefreak, there was a link right in the topic. by me. as long as it's CoC ones, i really don't see why not.
[11:10] <LjL> mc44: and i don't read it. and you're annoying.
[11:10] <LjL> you're still annoying
[11:14] <mc44> LjL: you probably don't understand all the hard english words in it
[11:17] <LjL> mc44: that was so low i couldn't bother replying until i had finished scratching my nose.
[11:17] <mc44> LjL: that sounds like one of those famous italian insults I hear so much about :)
[11:17] <ubotu> In ubotu, cdm10 said: layout is ALIAS keyboard
[11:18] <cdm10> Did I do that ubotu command right?
[11:18] <LjL> mc44: no, those cannot be said in this channel.
[11:18] <cdm10> I know it doesn't really matter, but...
[11:18] <LjL> !layout
[11:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about layout - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:18] <LjL> !keyboard
[11:18] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[11:18] <LjL> !layout is <alias> keyboard
[11:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[11:18] <cdm10> by the way, the switching layout this is bad.
[11:18] <cdm10> That's only for Xubuntu, there's a GUI way to do it in Ubuntu/Kubuntu.
[11:18] <LjL> ahum, yeah
[11:19] <cdm10> !keyboard is To switch your keyboard layout, go to System>Preferences>Keyboard. For Xubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[11:20] <cdm10> Some weirdness there: <ubotwo> Please make edit requests to ubotu rather than ubotwo, as the latter is just a backup bot.
[11:20] <LjL> cdm10: i know that, nevermind it
[11:20] <cdm10> and ubotu didn't interpret that as an edit request: <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:20] <cdm10> LjL: Ok.
[11:21] <LjL> cdm10: ah well, that one's weird
[11:21] <cdm10> LjL: Anyway, what do you think of my keyboard factoid? I'd add the Kubuntu method, but I don't know it...
[11:21] <jussi01> !shortcut
[11:21] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME) or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE) - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:22] <LjL> !no keyboard is <reply> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System > Preferences > Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K > System Settings > Regional & Language > Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see  https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[11:22] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[11:22] <cdm10> Great, thanks
[11:22] <jussi01> !-shortcut
[11:23] <ubotu> shortcut is <alias> shortcuts - added by Seveas on 2006-06-19 10:44:35
[11:24] <LjL> Input Actions seems wrong
[11:24] <LjL> it isn't even in System Settings
[11:26] <LjL> !no shortcuts is <reply> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (GNOME) or K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse (KDE). On KDE, try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME) or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE) - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ack we couldnt shorten that by say 100 lines?
[11:28] <LjL> gnomefreak: *lines*?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> LjL: you know what i meant
[11:28] <gnomefreak> LjL: maybe by half
[11:28] <LjL> ok let's just do it this way
[11:28] <jussi01> lol
[11:28] <gnomefreak> maybe send toa  wiki telling them how to do bleh
[11:28] <LjL> !no shortcuts is <reply> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME)
[11:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[11:29] <jussi01> cant we make one happen in #kubuntu* and a different one in #ubuntu*
[11:29] <LjL> !no shortcuts-#kubuntu is <reply> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE) - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about shortcuts-#kubuntu yet, LjL
[11:29] <jussi01> ?
[11:29] <jussi01> hehe
[11:29] <jussi01> ok, then...
[11:30] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:30] <LjL> the obvious mistakes i made above are fixed.
[11:31] <gnomefreak> long factoids getting posted in channel by people becomes long scrolls 
[11:31] <LjL> uhm, except
[11:31] <LjL> gnomefreak: well this sort of factoids should only be used with > really
[11:31] <LjL> !shortcuts-#kubuntu is <reply> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:31] <gnomefreak> LjL: me and you know that but the users in the channels dont 
[11:31] <LjL> i get the "please don't think i'm intelligent"...
[11:31] <LjL> how's the above wrong?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:31] <jussi01> lol
[11:31] <LjL> gnomefreak: then lart them
[11:31] <gnomefreak> the cap Keyboard
[11:32] <LjL> gnomefreak: what?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> it happened to me before after <reply> use lower case K and see if it does it
[11:32] <LjL> uhm, i've always used uppercase though... i'll try
[11:32] <LjL> !shortcuts-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:32] <LjL> no, same
[11:32] <gnomefreak> im betting it does :( and i still see it as a bug tbh
[11:32] <gnomefreak> hmm
[11:33] <LjL> !shortcuts-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in
[11:33] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[11:33] <gnomefreak> i kept getting that with cap Ubuntu after <reply>
[11:33] <LjL> !no shortcuts-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse.
[11:33] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[11:33] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:33] <LjL> !no shortcuts-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:33] <LjL> !shortcuts-#kubuntu
[11:33] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:33] <LjL> meh
[11:33] <jussi01> maybe the !Keyboard > !keyboard
[11:33] <LjL> jussi01: nope, i've also always used that kind of thing...
[11:34] <gnomefreak> too long for bot to parse?
[11:34] <LjL> !testfactoid-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:34] <LjL> !testfactoid-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys
[11:34] <LjL> !testfactoid-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at
[11:34] <LjL> !testfactoid-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl.
[11:34] <LjL> !testfactoid-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse.
[11:34] <LjL> !testfactoid-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in
[11:34] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[11:34] <gnomefreak> LjL: save self headache and ping bot master to fix bug?
[11:34] <LjL> ...
[11:35] <LjL> gnomefreak: one usually tries to give a detailed report of the bug ;)
[11:35] <gnomefreak> LjL: you already have one
[11:35] <LjL> it's either the "->" or the "&"
[11:35] <LjL> !forget testfactoid-#kubuntu
[11:35] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[11:35] <jussi01> hmmm, weird
[11:35] <LjL> !testfactoid2-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard &
[11:36] <LjL> !testfactoid2-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard
[11:36] <LjL> !testfactoid2-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K  System Settings  Keyboard
[11:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[11:36] <LjL> it's the "->".
[11:36] <gnomefreak> its the ->
[11:36] <jussi01> -> weird
[11:36] <jussi01> lol
[11:36] <LjL> it works when using !no, though, obviously
[11:36] <jussi01> what if you take the space out... ie. K->
[11:37] <LjL> !forget testfactoid2-#kubuntu
[11:37] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[11:37] <gnomefreak> but that shouldnt be since !no is same as !bleh
[11:37] <LjL> gnomefreak: hm? i don't think it is - or what are you saying, rather?
[11:37] <LjL> !testfactoid3-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System
[11:37] <LjL> !testfactoid3-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K > System
[11:37] <gnomefreak> LjL: the bot handles !no and !bleh is <reply> the same right?
[11:38] <LjL> gnomefreak: probably not
[11:38] <LjL> !testfactoid3-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K>System
[11:38] <gnomefreak> im thinking !no doesnt invoke some sed script
[11:38] <LjL> i still get it. it just doesn't like the >
[11:38] <LjL> !testfactoid3-#kubuntu is <reply> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K<System
[11:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[11:38] <gnomefreak> maybe try it > without the space
[11:39] <gnomefreak> K>System
[11:39] <LjL> gnomefreak: i just did
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:41] <LjL> bug filed
[11:44] <Seveas> > and | should not be used in factoids or the redirect function has to be removed
[11:45] <Seveas> choose :)
[11:46] <LjL> Seveas: meh, if it works in !no, it can work straight away too :P
[11:47] <LjL> and i forgot to say it works with !no in the report anyway, but i guess that doesn't matter now
[11:47] <Seveas> it does
[11:47] <Seveas> If it's not in the bugreport, how am I going to know it if I read the report?
[11:48] <LjL> ...
[11:48] <LjL> ok i'm adding it.
[11:48] <Seveas> seriously, I'm not gonna read it today, maybe not ewithin a week
[11:48] <LjL> Seveas: well, you just informally marked it as WONTFIX, so :P
[11:49] <LjL> i mean - *NO*, i don't want the redirect function to be removed
[11:51] <LjL> i could mark it as wontfix for you if you prefer :P
[11:52] <Seveas> neh, I'll look at it
[11:52] <Seveas> will probably disable it for !no as well :p
[11:52] <LjL> ...
[12:22] <stdin> anyone else getting spam messages from Sl0tWh0r3 or just me?
[12:23] <stdin> "[23:21]   -Sl0tWh0r3- Make free cartoons & silly ecards on http://www.ComicStripGenerator.com ;)"
[12:24] <stdin> and "-Sl0tWh0r3- LOL, http://www.stdin.is-a-jerk.com found on google :)" is just annoying me now (in #ubuntu)
[12:25] <stdin> (not the 1st time this person has done this either)
[12:25] <LjL> stdin: was it you reporting the same yesterday?
[12:25] <stdin> yeah
[12:25] <stdin> there was a ban forward to here iirc
[12:26] <LjL> stdin: hm no, the one i remember i just banned straight away
[12:26] <LjL> lemme grep
[12:27] <LjL> ah no, it was Pici who told me the other day
[12:27] <stdin> well I have reported this person before as well
[12:27] <stdin> so that's probably 3 times now
[12:28] <LjL> stdin: can you find the ident/host/realname for the other one?
[12:31] <stdin> *looking*
[12:33] <stdin> LjL: KnumbNutz (n=spaz@cpe-74-71-142-192.twcny.res.rr.com)  < was the last one I saw (Sep 29)
[12:35] <LjL> stdin: always twcny.res.rr.com, but they change nicks and ident
[12:36] <stdin> yeah
[12:36] <stdin> you think you should set a real name ban on Sl0tWh0r3's real name ?
[12:37] <LjL> stdin: no, because the real name of the other one is different. i'm trying to find out the real name of the one you gave me now
[12:37] <LjL> >/whois knumbnutz
[12:37] <LjL> s appunto
[12:41] <stdin> LjL: the real name was "Nerdy Geek" for KnumbNutz
[12:41] <LjL> thanks
[12:41] <LjL> different from the other two
[12:41] <LjL> we'll just have to ban them as we catch them, i'm afraid
[12:42] <stdin> well they always seem to have the same m/o, so it shouldn't be too difficult to spot them