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| kb3llm | hi everyone | 01:46 |
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| kb3llm | i was using ubuntu server, then i tried to install a GUI on it, and had problems, and tried debian. Have even MORE problems, so i'll probably go back to text-only ubuntu server | 01:47 |
| kb3llm | and i can ssh in | 01:47 |
| ScottK | That's how it's meant to be used. | 01:47 |
| kb3llm | i know, but i wanted a GUI.. | 01:48 |
| kb3llm | learned my lesson :) | 01:48 |
| kb3llm | and i couldn't get xorg.conf to work right on debian for ANYTHING | 01:48 |
| kb3llm | any way to add more than 6 virtual terminals to ubuntu server? | 01:50 |
| kb3llm | aside from using screen | 01:50 |
| leonel | kb3llm: for a simple gnome gui on servers I install these : | 02:13 |
| leonel | gnome-panel gdm metacity xserver-xorg firefox xfonts-base firefox-themes-ubuntu gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks ubuntu-artwork gnome-applets gnome-system-tools nautilus gnome-terminal ubuntu-docs update-manager | 02:13 |
| kb3llm | and it works without any problems? | 02:15 |
| leonel | not for me ;) | 02:16 |
| kb3llm | cool... then i could browse the internet when my mom takes away my mac mini lol... (she leaves the server in my room) i just use it for the fun of it. I HAD 3 sites hosted on it, before all this happened. Now i have the sites, but somehow lost the MYSQL database backups in the process, so i'll have to start fresh on some parts of the sites :( | 02:17 |
| kb3llm | leonel: what about screen resolution problems? | 02:22 |
| kb3llm | that was one of my problems with my short time of playing with debian | 02:23 |
| kb3llm | i was stuck at a max of 800x600 | 02:23 |
| leonel | kb3llm: none dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver and you're done | 02:23 |
| kb3llm | i did that with debian and it didn't help at all. | 02:23 |
| leonel | what video card you have ? | 02:23 |
| kb3llm | cirrus something.... | 02:23 |
| kb3llm | its an HP netserver LC3 | 02:23 |
| leonel | and the resolution for that card and montor what is ? | 02:24 |
| kb3llm | according to a website: Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446; BIOS 1.33; PCI; 2 MB; 8 MB; Video Resolution SVGA; Video Resolution XGA; SVGA | 02:24 |
| kb3llm | the max resolution of the monitor is 1680x1050 | 02:24 |
| leonel | but for the video card to keep with that resolution need memory | 02:24 |
| kb3llm | ? | 02:25 |
| kb3llm | so i cant run that resolution with that card? | 02:25 |
| leonel | 2 mb 8 mb it's to low for 1680 x1050 | 02:25 |
| kb3llm | whats the max i could run then? | 02:25 |
| leonel | you need to fit those pixels in memory and the max colors for it | 02:25 |
| leonel | configure to use thousands of colors instead millions and try 1024 | 02:26 |
| kb3llm | how do i do all that? will you help me, once it finishes installing? (installing the main ubuntu-server right now) | 02:27 |
| leonel | just | 02:27 |
| leonel | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 02:27 |
| leonel | and choose a 1024x768 resolution with 16bit color | 02:28 |
| leonel | if it works do a greater resolution | 02:28 |
| kb3llm | any widescreen res.'s that will work on that card? | 02:28 |
| leonel | don't know but you have to low video memory to keep with your monitor resolution | 02:30 |
| kb3llm | even if i use 16 bit instead of 24? | 02:30 |
| leonel | yes | 02:32 |
| kb3llm | if i try will it screw it up, or can i keep trying, until something works? | 02:32 |
| kb3llm | leonel: any way, after installing all those packages, to make it default boot into TERMINAL and only use X if i call "startx" ? | 02:32 |
| leonel | you can try | 02:34 |
| leonel | for let the server in text mode | 02:34 |
| leonel | sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove | 02:34 |
| kb3llm | and that will make it so i have to type startx every bootup? | 02:34 |
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| leonel | kb3llm: yes | 02:35 |
| leonel | kb3llm: http://www.infohq.com/Computer/notebook-video.htm | 02:36 |
| leonel | maybe the video memory it's ok but try with lower resolution and 16 bits | 02:37 |
| kb3llm | whats the default root password? | 02:40 |
| kb3llm | i didn't get to set it in setup for some reason | 02:40 |
| leonel | kb3llm: you don't use a root password | 02:42 |
| leonel | kb3llm: sudo -s | 02:42 |
| leonel | will let you "AS" root | 02:43 |
| kb3llm | i got it.. sudo passwd root | 02:43 |
| kb3llm | lol | 02:43 |
| leonel | :) | 02:43 |
| kb3llm | k I'm gonna install those packages now. you sure those are the only ones i need? | 02:47 |
| kb3llm | curious, what happens if you startx through an ssh connection? | 02:49 |
| kb3llm | will it try to start in the terminal window? | 02:49 |
| kb3llm | through ssh | 02:49 |
| kb3llm | ? | 02:49 |
| leonel | it will give you error since startx need a TTY and not a pts | 02:50 |
| leonel | if you want X apps from your server to your desktop | 02:50 |
| leonel | 02:50 | |
| leonel | ssh -X user@server | 02:50 |
| leonel | then will forward all the X11 to your desktop | 02:51 |
| leonel | and not use startx just .. | 02:51 |
| leonel | firefox | 02:51 |
| leonel | and you will be using firefox on your server with the display on your desktop | 02:51 |
| kb3llm | what if the desktop is a windows machine? or os x? | 02:52 |
| leonel | I don't know windows or osx | 02:52 |
| kb3llm | that'd be sweet. run linux programs on a windows machine thru ssh | 02:52 |
| leonel | i think you need a Xserver on windows and maybe on osx can work | 02:53 |
| leonel | but .. | 02:53 |
| leonel | with windows I've tried that about 15 years ago with Xservers on windows | 02:54 |
| leonel | yes i'm talking about windows 95 and 3.11 :) | 02:54 |
| kb3llm | lol | 02:54 |
| leonel | and that's the last windows I've used as desktop i have a XP but as a simple and plain enduser there | 02:56 |
| leonel | and really don't use it | 02:56 |
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| kb3llm | leonel: you here? | 03:49 |
| kb3llm | need some help with the screen res. thing | 03:49 |
| leonel | kb3llm: what's up | 03:51 |
| kb3llm | i tried that reconfig thing, and it didn't help | 03:51 |
| kb3llm | cant get past 640x480 | 03:51 |
| kb3llm | can you help guide me through the steps? | 03:51 |
| kb3llm | ill try again. | 03:52 |
| kb3llm | but 640x480 sucks :) | 03:52 |
| leonel | did you select your cirrus driver and 16 bit color ? | 03:52 |
| kb3llm | yup | 03:52 |
| leonel | try the vesa driver | 03:52 |
| kb3llm | k. | 03:52 |
| kb3llm | will you guide me through it. There are some steps i'm not sure about: do i choose simple advanced or medium, for the display thing? | 03:53 |
| leonel | go simple | 03:54 |
| kb3llm | and 20" ? (its a 20 inch monitor, but its widescreen, so, still choose 20?) | 03:54 |
| leonel | yes | 03:54 |
| kb3llm | k | 03:55 |
| kb3llm | what resolutions should i select? | 03:57 |
| leonel | 1024 | 03:58 |
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| kb3llm | too late, i selected a few. should i start over? (640, 800, 1024) | 03:59 |
| leonel | ok | 03:59 |
| kb3llm | ? | 03:59 |
| leonel | it will try | 03:59 |
| kb3llm | so its fine | 03:59 |
| kb3llm | and 16 bit? | 04:00 |
| kb3llm | 8? | 04:00 |
| leonel | 1024 first and let you with the one than can do that resolution | 04:00 |
| leonel | 16 | 04:00 |
| kb3llm | so start over, and select 1024 | 04:00 |
| kb3llm | k | 04:00 |
| kb3llm | if i just close my ssh terminal,, will that kill it and let me start over? | 04:00 |
| leonel | in teory .. | 04:01 |
| kb3llm | i'm doing the config over ssh, testing on main monitor, though | 04:01 |
| kb3llm | its a dual input monitor, that way i dont have to switch back and forth | 04:01 |
| kb3llm | he he, i put 1024 like you said, and when i started x again, it let me choose 800x600 | 04:03 |
| kb3llm | weird | 04:03 |
| kb3llm | but a little better... | 04:04 |
| kb3llm | is that as good as its gonna get, or can it go a little higher? | 04:04 |
| leonel | doit again with higher resolution | 04:04 |
| leonel | but keep the ones you selected | 04:04 |
| kb3llm | but why did it let me choose 800, if i selected 1024?? | 04:05 |
| kb3llm | thats weird | 04:05 |
| kb3llm | i just selected 1024, thtas it | 04:05 |
| kb3llm | i didnt even select 800... | 04:05 |
| kb3llm | hmm | 04:05 |
| leonel | because with ctrl alt + you can switch resolutions | 04:05 |
| leonel | that are configurated | 04:05 |
| leonel | you can have all the resolutions supported by your card and monitor and switch with ctl alt NUM+ | 04:06 |
| kb3llm | oh, so i could have dont ctrl alt + and gone up to 1024? | 04:07 |
| kb3llm | ? | 04:07 |
| kb3llm | leonel: ? | 04:10 |
| kb3llm | leonel: i selected another one, and it didn't do anything. just stayed at 800x600 | 04:10 |
| kb3llm | i wonder if the vid card will only support 800x600 max? | 04:10 |
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| kb3llm | i think 800x600 is the max its gonna give me | 04:12 |
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| leonel | <kb3llm> oh, so i could have dont ctrl alt + and gone up to 1024? | 04:27 |
| leonel | ? <-- yes if it's supported and configured | 04:27 |
| leonel | you can configure all the options and the xserver will try all and give you the higher | 04:28 |
| kb3llm | so since i chose 1024, and it gave me 800, 800 is the highest.... | 04:29 |
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| umop-apisdn | hey, where's my system messages? | 04:37 |
| umop-apisdn | used to be available on ALT+F12 ? | 04:37 |
| leonel | ctrl alt f8 ? | 04:38 |
| umop-apisdn | no dice :P | 04:41 |
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| zylstra555 | Good evening: I need to get OpenSSL and Perl on my server. How do I do this? | 05:23 |
| zylstra555 | *specifically to get Webmin working, I should add | 05:24 |
| zylstra555 | In interest of time, Ill try the other channel (just Ubuntu) | 05:27 |
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| kraut | moin | 08:46 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | other then top, what can i use to get a breakdown of ram/swap usage by application? is there something out of the box? | 10:05 |
| soren | What do you want to find out, specifically? | 10:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | what is swapping to disc, when i still have ~40mb of ram left. | 10:12 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | in cache admitedly | 10:12 |
| soren | If you're getting short on RAM, the kernel will swap out anything that's not locked and is not being actively used. | 10:16 |
| soren | It could change from one second to the next. | 10:17 |
| soren | Are you seeing any significant performance problems? | 10:17 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | no, i dont think so. i've not run the box enough to know when its running well or not | 10:19 |
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| soren | Kamping_Kaiser: If it's working fine, why bother with this? | 10:35 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | soren, intrest. a desire to know whats going on | 10:36 |
| soren | It's hard to determine, really. You can get a reading of how much of a process' ram space is resident, how much is shared, and how much virtual memory it takes up, but turning that into "which processes are swapped out" is not easy. | 10:38 |
| kraut | anybody knows a tool for linux to stick a process to a special cpu? | 10:40 |
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| soren | kraut: Yeah, it's known as cpu affinity. | 10:42 |
| kraut | soren: ah, i think i found it | 10:43 |
| kraut | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html | 10:43 |
| soren | kraut: You use taskset(1) to fiddle with it. | 10:43 |
| soren | kraut: You need to remember, though, that you use it to lock a certain process to a specific set of cpu's. If you want to keep everything else off of that same set of cpu's so a process is the only thing running on them, it gets slightly trickier. | 10:45 |
| kraut | soren: yep, i know. i am trying to tune a python script but the main issue is i/o wait. | 10:45 |
| soren | kraut: The easiest way would be to set init's cpu affinity from initramfs. | 10:45 |
| kraut | rrdtool writes its stuff on a nfs-mount and it's to slow to handle this. | 10:45 |
| soren | And this relates to cpu affinity how? | 10:52 |
| kraut | threads waiting for i/o | 11:00 |
| kraut | but it won't change anything as i thought... :/ | 11:01 |
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| soren | Threads waiting for I/O are not running, so they're not really on any cpu anyway? | 11:06 |
| kraut | dunno | 11:08 |
| kraut | 11:08:12 CPU %user %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %idle intr/s | 11:08 |
| kraut | 11:08:17 all 0.30 0.00 1.10 43.80 0.70 4.20 0.00 49.90 3663.60 | 11:08 |
| kraut | 11:08:17 0 0.60 0.00 2.00 87.20 1.40 8.40 0.00 0.40 3541.40 | 11:08 |
| kraut | 11:08:17 1 0.00 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 99.40 122.40 | 11:08 |
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| soren | kraut: Er... Yes? | 11:24 |
| soren | kraut: One CPU is really busy, another isn't? | 11:24 |
| soren | kraut: That's not notable by itself. Do you have several cpu bound processes running? | 11:25 |
| soren | kraut: Or perhaps jus tone? | 11:25 |
| soren | just one.. | 11:25 |
| kraut | several one, but it's more a nfs-problem. look at the heavy i/o wait | 11:26 |
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| soren | kraut: i/o wait is not heavy. | 11:31 |
| soren | kraut: by definition. | 11:31 |
| soren | kraut: It's *waiting*. | 11:31 |
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| dholbach | heya | 11:41 |
| dholbach | does anybody have the time to dive into bug 139251, bug 134342 and bug 134068? | 11:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 139251 in mediawiki1.10 "package mediawiki1.10 1.10.1-1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139251 | 11:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 134342 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] Themeampache" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134342 | 11:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 134068 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libapache2-mod-bwshare" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134068 | 11:41 |
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| dholbach | dendrobates: ^ :-) | 11:42 |
| maeth | hi, im trying to install a VPN on my ubuntu server machine, i got DHCP and internet sharing+firewall via firestarter | 11:42 |
| maeth | i have never succefully installed a VPN before, ive tried on windows XP, it was pretty simple but it doesnt work well.... | 11:43 |
| soren | maeth: Personally, I like openvpn a lot. There are many howtos about it floating around. | 11:44 |
| soren | Kamping_Kaiser: You're the one who working on the mediawiki bug, right? | 11:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | soren, yes (for values of working) | 11:46 |
| soren | Kamping_Kaiser: Just removing "set -e" sounds like hiding the symptoms, but not fixing the problem. Do you remember the actual error? | 11:50 |
| === soren is too lazy to just install it. :) | ||
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| kraut | soren: yep, i know. but in fact the machine is to slow to handle all the rrd-container. | 12:29 |
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| soren | kraut: What if you generate them on a local drive and copy them onto the nfs file system? | 12:38 |
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| _ruben | hmm .. what would be the best fix/workaround for the udev network bug in gutsy? | 04:25 |
| _ruben | google hasnt been very helpful, yet | 04:25 |
| lamont | what bug? | 04:33 |
| _ruben | devices showing up as eth2 and eth3 instead of eth0 and eth1 | 04:38 |
| _ruben | and im having some troubles renaming my interfaces to custom names (having troubles = finding the proper ubuntu way, i do know the suse way) | 04:39 |
| lamont | _ruben: see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 04:43 |
| _ruben | that's the file i'm currently playing with, yet with no success | 04:44 |
| lamont | what's to play - you put an entry there with the MAC you want and the name you want... | 04:44 |
| _ruben | play as in finding the proper syntax, i tried several so far, but either they're wrong or dont get picked up by an /etc/init.d/networking restart for some other reason | 04:45 |
| _ruben | eg: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:18:8b:f7:90:59", NAME="int0" | 04:46 |
| _ruben | oh well .. enough 'playing' for today, time to go home | 04:52 |
| soren | Just nuke the current /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 04:53 |
| soren | reboot and presto! | 04:54 |
| soren | After that, everything should be fine and stay the same. | 04:54 |
| soren | The bug only occurs in the installer | 04:54 |
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| _ruben | soren: i replaced the contents with the line above, havent rebooted though, will try tomorow | 04:54 |
| soren | int0? Is that right? | 04:55 |
| _ruben | that's what i want it to be | 04:55 |
| soren | Alright. | 04:55 |
| _ruben | int/ext/wan/etc | 04:55 |
| soren | If it finds a nic it doesn't know already, it's added to that file, so the easiest way to add stuff to it, is to remove the file, and reboot. | 04:55 |
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| _ruben | ah ok | 04:55 |
| soren | ...and use the result as a starting point. | 04:55 |
| soren | And you need to reboot for any changes in there to take effect. | 04:56 |
| _ruben | will try that tomorow | 04:56 |
| _ruben | ok | 04:56 |
| soren | Well, either that or yank the nic and reinsert it, but if your hardware is not hotpluggable, reboot's the thing. | 04:56 |
| soren | Alright. Have fun. | 04:56 |
| _ruben | ic, with suse a network restart is enough. need to get rid of my suse 'tricks' i guess :-) | 04:57 |
| _ruben | assuming we'd abandon suse that is :) | 04:57 |
| _ruben | anyways, thanks for the pointers and i'll be back tomorow if i cant get it to work afterall | 04:57 |
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| soren | Alright, see you then. | 04:59 |
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| oly_mk2 | if anyone is intrested, i made a video on installing ubuntu server manager on a fresh install of gutsy, from downloading to bringing up the webpage. | 05:11 |
| oly_mk2 | the link to the video is http://www.ubuntusm.org/index.php?Page=Forum_Post&TID=10&TID=10 | 05:12 |
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| umop-apisdn | oly_mk2: nice background on the desktop. where'd you get it? | 05:33 |
| oly_mk2 | um, its the gutsy background or one of them | 05:35 |
| umop-apisdn | ah | 05:36 |
| umop-apisdn | thanks, i use feisty, myself | 05:36 |
| umop-apisdn | <-- not an early adopter. still uses 6.06 on his server | 05:36 |
| oly_mk2 | well, i made that video on a test laptop, i am actually doing most development and testing on feisty | 05:37 |
| oly_mk2 | but wanted to know if it worked with gutsy | 05:37 |
| oly_mk2 | not tried dapper though, probably missing some packages, at a guess | 05:37 |
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| nealmcb | oly_mk2: thanks for the video, and usm. | 06:01 |
| oly_mk2 | thats okay :) | 06:02 |
| nealmcb | the video is hard to see on this screen of mine - especially the browser part - a smaller resolution would help | 06:02 |
| oly_mk2 | still needs a lot of work though, but its starting to come together into something visibly working | 06:02 |
| nealmcb | always a pity to see all those nasty warning about ssl certs | 06:02 |
| oly_mk2 | you can download it, the quality is much higher then | 06:02 |
| nealmcb | what was the MAC error - repeated - I couldn't read it | 06:02 |
| oly_mk2 | you can actually read the text then | 06:03 |
| oly_mk2 | in firefox ? | 06:03 |
| oly_mk2 | the ssl warning go away if you install the certificate, and if its generated correctly it helps | 06:03 |
| oly_mk2 | ie the cname conatins the same hostname you access the page with, i will improve that at some point but for now its not that important | 06:04 |
| nealmcb | of course - I'm just moaning about the whole interconnected frustrated difficult broken world of pki.... | 06:04 |
| oly_mk2 | okay | 06:05 |
| nealmcb | can you contrast usm and ebox? | 06:05 |
| oly_mk2 | nope not tried ebox yet, but i could | 06:05 |
| oly_mk2 | i installed it but did not know what port to access it on instantly so i left it there | 06:06 |
| oly_mk2 | till i can be bothered to try it again | 06:06 |
| oly_mk2 | i am intrested though because might give me ideas / inspiration | 06:06 |
| nealmcb | I do prefer python :-) | 06:07 |
| oly_mk2 | me to :) | 06:07 |
| nealmcb | have you tried putting it in a ppa? | 06:07 |
| oly_mk2 | this is my first venture into python, | 06:07 |
| oly_mk2 | i tried making a deb and failed miserably | 06:08 |
| oly_mk2 | getting lots of wierd errors that where meaningless to me, | 06:08 |
| oly_mk2 | i guess with ppa you make the deb and upload it ? | 06:08 |
| oly_mk2 | will probably have another crack at it soon | 06:09 |
| nealmcb | yeah, after testing builds locally | 06:09 |
| nealmcb | https://help.launchpad.net/PPA101/20070913 | 06:09 |
| nealmcb | you may still need to be in the launchpad beta testers team | 06:10 |
| oly_mk2 | aha, okay will look into it | 06:10 |
| nealmcb | downloading didn't help my view of the video - what size screen did you make it on? | 06:10 |
| oly_mk2 | i would like to know how to make debs | 06:10 |
| oly_mk2 | its a widescreen laptop | 06:10 |
| nealmcb | that's the problem for me - only 1024 across | 06:11 |
| oly_mk2 | 1400x1050 | 06:11 |
| oly_mk2 | perhaps i will try making it again, and drop the resolution | 06:11 |
| oly_mk2 | did not really consider that when making it | 06:11 |
| nealmcb | I recall a good screencaster-maker howto from a while ago, will share it if I find it | 06:12 |
| oly_mk2 | okay, | 06:12 |
| oly_mk2 | what i really want is a good ogg editor :p | 06:12 |
| oly_mk2 | but i am yet to find one | 06:12 |
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| nealmcb | I think there are much better codecs for screencasts, but don't know if there are good free ones yet | 06:13 |
| oly_mk2 | most likely, but i liked the fact i can use cortado and embed on my webpage | 06:14 |
| nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts | 06:14 |
| oly_mk2 | instead of using google or youtube video | 06:14 |
| nealmcb | huh - I don't see the video on the webpage - just the download link | 06:16 |
| oly_mk2 | needs java, and some tweaking i think :p | 06:18 |
| oly_mk2 | i only just added it to the site to allow them to be embeded, | 06:18 |
| nealmcb | ahh - I always disable java - too big/slow on this machine | 06:19 |
| nealmcb | pity... | 06:19 |
| oly_mk2 | thats why theres a download link :) | 06:19 |
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| oly_mk2 | anyway hometime now | 06:21 |
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| Scunizi | what's the install file name for glibc headers? | 06:53 |
| ivoks | install file name? | 06:54 |
| ivoks | name of the package? | 06:54 |
| ivoks | libc6-dev | 06:55 |
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| Scunizi | ivoks, thanks. I'm trying to install vmware-tools in xubuntu desktop on Dapper Server. It's reporting an error in locating the correct directory to find the C headers. Using "locate" doesn't seem to help. | 07:16 |
| ivoks | apt-file would help | 07:17 |
| ivoks | apt-file search name_of_the_file | 07:17 |
| Scunizi | ok.. and the file name is libc6-dev? | 07:17 |
| ivoks | no | 07:18 |
| ivoks | that's package name | 07:18 |
| ivoks | file name would be something like /usr/include/termio.h | 07:18 |
| Scunizi | ok.. I'll give it a shot.. | 07:18 |
| ivoks | just install libc6-dev | 07:19 |
| ivoks | those are C headers | 07:19 |
| Scunizi | I did but vmware-tools is looking for the headers in /usr/scr/linux/include and can't find them. That's why I'm looking for the right location. | 07:19 |
| Scunizi | shoulda mentioned that first :| | 07:20 |
| ivoks | that's kernel headers, not C headers | 07:20 |
| Scunizi | It's specifically asking for the C headers. | 07:20 |
| ivoks | what kernel do you use? | 07:21 |
| ivoks | C cause it's a language; it wouldn't ask python for C programs :) | 07:21 |
| Scunizi | 2.6.15-26 server | 07:21 |
| ivoks | then install linux-headers-server | 07:22 |
| Scunizi | k | 07:22 |
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| Scunizi | installed and still getting... "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] . It can't find them... | 07:26 |
| ivoks | location is /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server | 07:28 |
| ivoks | or, you can make link | 07:28 |
| ivoks | ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server /usr/src/linux | 07:28 |
| Scunizi | it wants me to type in the direct path to them. I tried /usr/src with no success.. and /usr/src/linux .. weird.. I've done this before without these hoops.. | 07:29 |
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| ivoks | well, you are doing it wrong | 07:32 |
| ivoks | create a link | 07:32 |
| ivoks | and then just leave it as /usr/src/linux/include | 07:32 |
| Scunizi | ok.. I'll give it a shot.. I appriciate your help. | 07:33 |
| Scunizi | when I uname -a to discover which kernel I'm using it shows what I previously mentioned. After installing the headers with the line you gave me, and looking in /usr/src with Thunar it shows header files for xx.xx-29.. | 07:40 |
| Scunizi | Is that normal? | 07:40 |
| ivoks | you just installed system? | 07:41 |
| ivoks | and didn't do apt-get dist-upgrade? | 07:41 |
| Scunizi | I did an update and an upgrade not a dist-upgrade.. | 07:42 |
| Scunizi | Will dist-upgrade attempt to take me beyond Dapper? | 07:43 |
| ivoks | no | 07:43 |
| Scunizi | ok.. I"ll do that first.. | 07:43 |
| ivoks | do-release-upgrade does that | 07:43 |
| Scunizi | It's been a while since I did a fresh install.. still fairly noobish at this and remembering the nuances of install.. | 07:44 |
| Scunizi | you'd figure after a year of practicing I'd remember some of this.. erg. | 07:45 |
| ivoks | :) | 07:45 |
| ivoks | just install latest kernel, boot it and then continue installation of vmware tools | 07:46 |
| Scunizi | will do | 07:46 |
| Scunizi | Success! Thanks.. I know it can sometimes be aggravating helping when some of the much needed info to diagnose a problem is eeked out. I know, I occationally help on #ubuntu. Your patients is appriciated.. :) | 07:54 |
| ivoks | great... enjoy ;) | 07:55 |
| Scunizi | you bet! | 07:55 |
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| osmosis | will I be able to upgrade to gutsy final easily when it comes out, from gutsy beta ? | 08:33 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 08:34 |
| ScottK | Just do regular updates and when the final is released, you'll have it already. | 08:34 |
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| ScottK | lamont: For a Hardy mail server goal I was thinking amavisd-new in Main as the official way to bolt on crack like clamav or spamassassin might make sense. Any thoughts? | 09:53 |
| lamont | haven't used amavisd or clamav. I have used spamassassin though.... | 09:55 |
| ScottK | How did you integrate it into Postfix? | 09:55 |
| lamont | I imagine you and that other guy I know will have very good ideas about what the default MTA install should look like.... | 09:55 |
| ScottK | Right. | 09:56 |
| lamont | some random howto from the web, which I probably b0rked, since I get occasional complaints about the db lock file not being creatable.... | 09:56 |
| ScottK | You might want to look into amavisd-new and call SA from that. On postfix-users it seems to be the standard recommendation these days. | 09:57 |
| lamont | ah, cool | 09:57 |
| lamont | I assume I can have amavisd-new and not actually check for any viruses? | 09:57 |
| ScottK | I also just uploaded a new version to Gutsy. | 09:57 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 09:57 |
| lamont | if there were windoze boxen, I might care more. | 09:57 |
| ScottK | Amavisd-new can have either SA, clamav, or neither bolted on. | 09:58 |
| lamont | nice | 09:58 |
| ScottK | I'm in the opposite position myself. I run outbound MTAs and I trust my customers not to spam (long story, but it works for me), but since the almost all run Windows boxen, I pass clamav over everything. | 09:59 |
| ScottK | Since I just need clamav, I use clamsmtp myself since it's a lighter way to do just clamav. | 09:59 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 09:59 |
| lamont | from what I don't know, I might actually understand parts of that long story. Then again, it's all supposition | 10:00 |
| ScottK | No, it's probably a different story, but who knows (since you claim you don't). | 10:00 |
| lamont | I have a long-standing NDA with that other guy. then again, I also have no need to know other than helping him with racking stuff and answering his BIND questions from time to time | 10:01 |
| ScottK | In any case I just uploaded a new amavisd-new that's more Ubuntuized. | 10:01 |
| lamont | nice | 10:01 |
| lamont | and it's pure assumption on my part that A is related to B at all. | 10:02 |
| ScottK | Right. It's not 100% unrelated, but close. | 10:02 |
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| ScottK | I mostly did the upload so that if uname -a isn't a FQDN (which we have bugs aboug), the user gets pointed to the actual correct conf file. | 10:03 |
| lamont | (no change uploads can be fun when they break... always good to test first) | 10:03 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 10:03 |
| lamont | uname -a almost never gives an FQDN.... | 10:03 |
| lamont | hostname --fqdn, otoh.... | 10:03 |
| ScottK | Right. Wrong extension. | 10:05 |
| ScottK | Option, whatever | 10:05 |
| ScottK | In any case we don't always set it right. | 10:05 |
| umop-apisdn | can anyone show me a well-commented series of examples for iptables? i need port redirection to specific machines, and a generic nat for non-specific machines. | 10:07 |
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| umop-apisdn | oh, and i have ip aliases on my external nic, eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. the interface it comes in on determines which internal machine gets the port redirect | 10:10 |
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| umop-apisdn | lamont: thanks, i'll try those | 10:12 |
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| lamont | ScottK: and possibly just unkind mind games on my part to imply that I have any knowledge on whatever subject that is... :) | 10:18 |
| ScottK | Sure. No problem. | 10:18 |
| lamont | :-) I'll remember to be more kind in the future. | 10:19 |
| lamont | that whole "approaching good from the other side" thing that Keybuk was accusing me of last night | 10:20 |
| ScottK | lamont: I used to enjoy the cygwin mailing list whose motto (for those that don't know) is WJM _ We're Just Mean. | 10:20 |
| lamont | heh | 10:21 |
| ScottK | The Ubuntu CoC represents an interesting challenge for me. I've mostly managed to stay on the correct side of it. | 10:22 |
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| pike_ | how do i designate a tab key in a sed? like cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep model\ name | sed -e 's/model name //' | 11:42 |
| pike_ | i can use tr to do it with a \t just wondering | 11:42 |
| pike_ | lol nm | 11:45 |
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