[01:46] <kb3llm> hi everyone
[01:47] <kb3llm> i was using ubuntu server, then i tried to install a GUI on it, and had problems, and tried debian. Have even MORE problems, so i'll probably go back to text-only ubuntu server
[01:47] <kb3llm> and i can ssh in
[01:47] <ScottK> That's how it's meant to be used.
[01:48] <kb3llm> i know, but i wanted a GUI..
[01:48] <kb3llm> learned my lesson :)
[01:48] <kb3llm> and i couldn't get xorg.conf to work right on debian for ANYTHING
[01:50] <kb3llm> any way to add more than 6 virtual terminals to ubuntu server?
[01:50] <kb3llm> aside from using screen
[02:13] <leonel> kb3llm:  for a  simple gnome  gui on servers   I install these :
[02:13] <leonel> gnome-panel gdm metacity xserver-xorg firefox xfonts-base firefox-themes-ubuntu gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks ubuntu-artwork gnome-applets   gnome-system-tools nautilus gnome-terminal ubuntu-docs update-manager
[02:15] <kb3llm> and it works without any problems?
[02:16] <leonel> not for me ;)
[02:17] <kb3llm> cool... then i could browse the internet when my mom takes away my mac mini lol... (she leaves the server in my room) i just use it for the fun of it. I HAD 3 sites hosted on it, before all this happened. Now i have the sites, but somehow lost the MYSQL database backups in the process, so i'll have to start fresh on some parts of the sites :(
[02:22] <kb3llm> leonel: what about screen resolution problems?
[02:23] <kb3llm> that was one of my problems with my short time of playing with debian
[02:23] <kb3llm> i was stuck at a max of 800x600
[02:23] <leonel> kb3llm: none   dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver  and you're done
[02:23] <kb3llm> i did that with debian and it didn't help at all.
[02:23] <leonel> what video card you have ?
[02:23] <kb3llm> cirrus something....
[02:23] <kb3llm> its an HP netserver LC3
[02:24] <leonel> and the resolution for that card  and montor what is ?
[02:24] <kb3llm> according to a website: Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446; BIOS 1.33; PCI; 2 MB; 8 MB; Video Resolution SVGA; Video Resolution XGA; SVGA
[02:24] <kb3llm> the max resolution of the monitor is 1680x1050
[02:24] <leonel> but for the  video card to keep with  that resolution need memory
[02:25] <kb3llm> ?
[02:25] <kb3llm> so i cant run that resolution with that card?
[02:25] <leonel> 2 mb 8 mb   it's to low  for  1680 x1050
[02:25] <kb3llm> whats the max i could run then?
[02:25] <leonel> you need to fit those pixels  in memory   and  the max colors  for it
[02:26] <leonel> configure  to use  thousands of colors instead millions  and try 1024
[02:27] <kb3llm> how do i do all that? will you help me, once it finishes installing? (installing the main ubuntu-server right now)
[02:27] <leonel> just
[02:27] <leonel> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:28] <leonel> and  choose  a 1024x768  resolution  with  16bit color
[02:28] <leonel> if it works   do a greater  resolution
[02:28] <kb3llm> any widescreen res.'s that will work on that card?
[02:30] <leonel> don't know but  you have to low video memory to  keep with your monitor resolution
[02:30] <kb3llm> even if i use 16 bit instead of 24?
[02:32] <leonel> yes
[02:32] <kb3llm> if i try will it screw it up, or can i keep trying, until something works?
[02:32] <kb3llm> leonel: any way, after installing all those packages, to make it default boot into TERMINAL and only use X if i call "startx"  ?
[02:34] <leonel> you can try
[02:34] <leonel> for let the server in text mode
[02:34] <leonel> sudo update-rc.d -f  gdm   remove
[02:34] <kb3llm> and that will make it so i have to type startx every bootup?
[02:35] <leonel> kb3llm: yes
[02:36] <leonel> kb3llm: http://www.infohq.com/Computer/notebook-video.htm
[02:37] <leonel> maybe the video memory it's ok but try with lower resolution and 16 bits
[02:40] <kb3llm> whats the default root password?
[02:40] <kb3llm> i didn't get to set it in setup for some reason
[02:42] <leonel> kb3llm: you don't use a root password
[02:42] <leonel> kb3llm: sudo -s
[02:43] <leonel> will let you "AS" root
[02:43] <kb3llm> i got it..   sudo passwd root
[02:43] <kb3llm> lol
[02:43] <leonel> :)
[02:47] <kb3llm> k I'm gonna install those packages now. you sure those are the only ones i need?
[02:49] <kb3llm> curious, what happens if you startx through an ssh connection?
[02:49] <kb3llm> will it try to start in the terminal window?
[02:49] <kb3llm> through ssh
[02:49] <kb3llm> ?
[02:50] <leonel> it will give you error  since  startx need a  TTY  and not a  pts
[02:50] <leonel> if you want  X apps  from your server to your desktop
[02:50] <leonel> 
[02:50] <leonel> ssh -X user@server
[02:51] <leonel> then   will forward  all the X11 to your desktop
[02:51] <leonel> and not use startx  just ..
[02:51] <leonel>   firefox
[02:51] <leonel> and you will be using  firefox on your server  with the display on your desktop
[02:52] <kb3llm> what if the desktop is a windows machine? or os x?
[02:52] <leonel> I don't know  windows  or  osx
[02:52] <kb3llm> that'd be sweet. run linux programs on a windows machine thru ssh
[02:53] <leonel> i think you need  a  Xserver on windows  and  maybe  on osx  can  work
[02:53] <leonel> but ..
[02:54] <leonel> with windows  I've tried that  about 15 years ago  with  Xservers  on windows
[02:54] <leonel> yes i'm talking about  windows 95 and  3.11  :)
[02:54] <kb3llm> lol
[02:56] <leonel> and that's the last windows I've used as desktop   i have a XP  but as a simple and plain  enduser there
[02:56] <leonel> and really don't use it
[03:49] <kb3llm> leonel: you here?
[03:49] <kb3llm> need some help with the screen res. thing
[03:51] <leonel> kb3llm: what's up
[03:51] <kb3llm> i tried that reconfig thing, and it didn't help
[03:51] <kb3llm> cant get past 640x480
[03:51] <kb3llm> can you help guide me through the steps?
[03:52] <kb3llm> ill try again.
[03:52] <kb3llm> but 640x480 sucks :)
[03:52] <leonel> did you select  your cirrus  driver  and 16 bit color ?
[03:52] <kb3llm> yup
[03:52] <leonel> try the vesa  driver
[03:52] <kb3llm> k.
[03:53] <kb3llm> will you guide me through it. There are some steps i'm not sure about: do i choose simple advanced or medium, for the display thing?
[03:54] <leonel> go simple
[03:54] <kb3llm> and 20" ? (its a 20 inch monitor, but its widescreen, so, still choose 20?)
[03:54] <leonel> yes
[03:55] <kb3llm> k
[03:57] <kb3llm> what resolutions should i select?
[03:58] <leonel> 1024
[03:59] <kb3llm> too late, i selected a few. should i start over? (640, 800, 1024)
[03:59] <leonel> ok
[03:59] <kb3llm> ?
[03:59] <leonel> it will try
[03:59] <kb3llm> so its fine
[04:00] <kb3llm> and 16 bit?
[04:00] <kb3llm> 8?
[04:00] <leonel> 1024 first and let you with the one than can do that resolution
[04:00] <leonel> 16
[04:00] <kb3llm> so start over, and select 1024
[04:00] <kb3llm> k
[04:00] <kb3llm> if i just close my ssh terminal,, will that kill it and let me start over?
[04:01] <leonel> in teory ..
[04:01] <kb3llm> i'm doing the config over ssh, testing on main monitor, though
[04:01] <kb3llm> its a dual input monitor, that way i dont have to switch back and forth
[04:03] <kb3llm> he he, i put 1024 like you said, and when i started x again, it let me choose 800x600
[04:03] <kb3llm> weird
[04:04] <kb3llm> but a little better...
[04:04] <kb3llm> is that as good as its gonna get, or can it go a little higher?
[04:04] <leonel> doit again   with higher  resolution
[04:04] <leonel> but keep the ones you selected
[04:05] <kb3llm> but why did it let me choose 800, if i selected 1024??
[04:05] <kb3llm> thats weird
[04:05] <kb3llm> i just selected 1024, thtas it
[04:05] <kb3llm> i didnt even select 800...
[04:05] <kb3llm> hmm
[04:05] <leonel> because  with   ctrl alt  +   you can  switch resolutions
[04:05] <leonel> that are configurated
[04:06] <leonel> you can have all the resolutions supported by your card and monitor  and  switch  with  ctl alt  NUM+
[04:07] <kb3llm> oh, so i could have dont ctrl alt + and gone up to 1024?
[04:07] <kb3llm> ?
[04:10] <kb3llm> leonel: ?
[04:10] <kb3llm> leonel: i selected another one, and it didn't do anything. just stayed at 800x600
[04:10] <kb3llm> i wonder if the vid card will only support 800x600 max?
[04:12] <kb3llm> i think 800x600 is the max its gonna give me
 oh, so i could have dont ctrl alt + and gone up to 1024?
[04:27] <leonel>  ?  <-- yes if it's supported and configured
[04:28] <leonel> you can configure  all the options  and the xserver will try all and  give you the higher
[04:29] <kb3llm> so since i chose 1024, and it gave me 800, 800 is the highest....
[04:37] <umop-apisdn> hey, where's my system messages?
[04:37] <umop-apisdn> used to be available on ALT+F12 ?
[04:38] <leonel> ctrl alt f8 ?
[04:41] <umop-apisdn> no dice :P
[05:23] <zylstra555> Good evening: I need to get OpenSSL and Perl on my server. How do I do this?
[05:24] <zylstra555> *specifically to get Webmin working, I should add
[05:27] <zylstra555> In interest of time, Ill try the other channel (just Ubuntu)
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> other then top, what can i use to get a breakdown of ram/swap usage by application? is there something out of the box?
[10:09] <soren> What do you want to find out, specifically?
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is swapping to disc, when i still have ~40mb of ram left.
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> in cache admitedly
[10:16] <soren> If you're getting short on RAM, the kernel will swap out anything that's not locked and is not being actively used.
[10:17] <soren> It could change from one second to the next.
[10:17] <soren> Are you seeing any significant performance problems?
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i dont think so. i've not run the box enough to know when its running well or not
[10:35] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: If it's working fine, why bother with this?
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, intrest. a desire to know whats going on
[10:38] <soren> It's hard to determine, really. You can get a reading of how much of a process' ram space is resident, how much is shared, and how much virtual memory it takes up, but turning that into "which processes are swapped out" is not easy.
[10:40] <kraut> anybody knows a tool for linux to stick a process to a  special cpu?
[10:42] <soren> kraut: Yeah, it's known as cpu affinity.
[10:43] <kraut> soren: ah, i think i found it
[10:43] <kraut> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html
[10:43] <soren> kraut: You use taskset(1) to fiddle with it.
[10:45] <soren> kraut: You need to remember, though, that you use it to lock a certain process to a specific set of cpu's. If you want to keep everything else off of that same set of cpu's so a process is the only thing running on them, it gets slightly trickier.
[10:45] <kraut> soren: yep, i know. i am trying to tune a python script but the main issue is i/o wait.
[10:45] <soren> kraut: The easiest way would be to set init's cpu affinity from initramfs.
[10:45] <kraut> rrdtool writes its stuff on a nfs-mount and it's to slow to handle this.
[10:52] <soren> And this relates to cpu affinity how?
[11:00] <kraut> threads waiting for i/o
[11:01] <kraut> but it won't change anything as i thought... :/
[11:06] <soren> Threads waiting for I/O are not running, so they're not really on any cpu anyway?
[11:08] <kraut> dunno
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:12     CPU   %user   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal   %idle    intr/s
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:17     all    0.30    0.00    1.10   43.80    0.70    4.20    0.00   49.90   3663.60
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:17       0    0.60    0.00    2.00   87.20    1.40    8.40    0.00    0.40   3541.40
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:17       1    0.00    0.00    0.20    0.40    0.00    0.00    0.00   99.40    122.40
[11:24] <soren> kraut: Er... Yes?
[11:24] <soren> kraut: One CPU is really busy, another isn't?
[11:25] <soren> kraut: That's not notable by itself. Do you have several cpu bound processes running?
[11:25] <soren> kraut: Or perhaps jus tone?
[11:25] <soren> just one..
[11:26] <kraut> several one, but it's more a nfs-problem. look at the heavy i/o wait
[11:31] <soren> kraut: i/o wait is not heavy.
[11:31] <soren> kraut: by definition.
[11:31] <soren> kraut: It's *waiting*.
[11:41] <dholbach> heya
[11:41] <dholbach> does anybody have the time to dive into bug 139251, bug 134342 and bug 134068?
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139251 in mediawiki1.10 "package mediawiki1.10 1.10.1-1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139251
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134342 in ubuntu "[needs packaging]  Themeampache" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134342
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134068 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  libapache2-mod-bwshare" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134068
[11:42] <dholbach> dendrobates: ^ :-)
[11:42] <maeth> hi, im trying to install a VPN on my ubuntu server machine, i got DHCP and internet sharing+firewall via firestarter
[11:43] <maeth> i have never succefully installed a VPN before, ive tried on windows XP, it was pretty simple but it doesnt work well....
[11:44] <soren> maeth: Personally, I like openvpn a lot. There are many howtos about it floating around.
[11:46] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: You're the one who working on the mediawiki bug, right?
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, yes (for values of working)
[11:50] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: Just removing "set -e" sounds like hiding the symptoms, but not fixing the problem. Do you remember the actual error?
[12:29] <kraut> soren: yep, i know. but in fact the machine is to slow to handle all the rrd-container.
[12:38] <soren> kraut: What if you generate them on a local drive and copy them onto the nfs file system?
[04:25] <_ruben> hmm .. what would be the best fix/workaround for the udev network bug in gutsy?
[04:25] <_ruben> google hasnt been very helpful, yet
[04:33] <lamont> what bug?
[04:38] <_ruben> devices showing up as eth2 and eth3 instead of eth0 and eth1
[04:39] <_ruben> and im having some troubles renaming my interfaces to custom names (having troubles = finding the proper ubuntu way, i do know the suse way)
[04:43] <lamont> _ruben: see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[04:44] <_ruben> that's the file i'm currently playing with, yet with no success
[04:44] <lamont> what's to play - you put an entry there with the MAC you want and the name you want...
[04:45] <_ruben> play as in finding the proper syntax, i tried several so far, but either they're wrong or dont get picked up by an /etc/init.d/networking restart for some other reason
[04:46] <_ruben> eg: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:18:8b:f7:90:59", NAME="int0"
[04:52] <_ruben> oh well .. enough 'playing' for today, time to go home
[04:53] <soren> Just nuke the current /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[04:54] <soren> reboot and presto!
[04:54] <soren> After that, everything should be fine and stay the same.
[04:54] <soren> The bug only occurs in the installer
[04:54] <_ruben> soren: i replaced the contents with the line above, havent rebooted though, will try tomorow
[04:55] <soren> int0? Is that right?
[04:55] <_ruben> that's what i want it to be
[04:55] <soren> Alright.
[04:55] <_ruben> int/ext/wan/etc
[04:55] <soren> If it finds a nic it doesn't know already, it's added to that file, so the easiest way to add stuff to it, is to remove the file, and reboot.
[04:55] <_ruben> ah ok
[04:55] <soren> ...and use the result as a starting point.
[04:56] <soren> And you need to reboot for any changes in there to take effect.
[04:56] <_ruben> will try that tomorow
[04:56] <_ruben> ok
[04:56] <soren> Well, either that or yank the nic and reinsert it, but if your hardware is not hotpluggable, reboot's the thing.
[04:56] <soren> Alright. Have fun.
[04:57] <_ruben> ic, with suse a network restart is enough. need to get rid of my suse 'tricks' i guess :-)
[04:57] <_ruben> assuming we'd abandon suse that is :)
[04:57] <_ruben> anyways, thanks for the pointers and i'll be back tomorow if i cant get it to work afterall
[04:59] <soren> Alright, see you then.
[05:11] <oly_mk2> if anyone is intrested, i made a video on installing ubuntu server manager on a fresh install of gutsy, from downloading to bringing up the webpage.
[05:12] <oly_mk2> the link to the video is http://www.ubuntusm.org/index.php?Page=Forum_Post&TID=10&TID=10
[05:33] <umop-apisdn> oly_mk2: nice background on the desktop. where'd you get it?
[05:35] <oly_mk2> um, its the gutsy background or one of them
[05:36] <umop-apisdn> ah
[05:36] <umop-apisdn> thanks, i use feisty, myself
[05:36] <umop-apisdn> <-- not an early adopter. still uses 6.06 on his server
[05:37] <oly_mk2> well, i made that video on a test laptop, i am actually doing most development and testing on feisty
[05:37] <oly_mk2> but wanted to know if it worked with gutsy
[05:37] <oly_mk2> not tried dapper though, probably missing some packages, at a guess
[06:01] <nealmcb> oly_mk2: thanks for the video, and usm.
[06:02] <oly_mk2> thats okay :)
[06:02] <nealmcb> the video is hard to see on this screen of mine - especially the browser part - a smaller resolution would help
[06:02] <oly_mk2> still needs a lot of work though, but its starting to come together into something visibly working
[06:02] <nealmcb> always a pity to see all those nasty warning about ssl certs
[06:02] <oly_mk2> you can download it, the quality is much higher then
[06:02] <nealmcb> what was the MAC error - repeated - I couldn't read it
[06:03] <oly_mk2> you can actually read the text then
[06:03] <oly_mk2> in firefox ?
[06:03] <oly_mk2> the ssl warning go away if you install the certificate, and if its generated correctly it helps
[06:04] <oly_mk2> ie the cname conatins the same hostname you access the page with, i will improve that at some point but for now its not that important
[06:04] <nealmcb> of course - I'm just moaning about the whole interconnected frustrated difficult broken world of pki....
[06:05] <oly_mk2> okay
[06:05] <nealmcb> can you contrast usm and ebox?
[06:05] <oly_mk2> nope not tried ebox yet, but i could
[06:06] <oly_mk2> i installed it but did not know what port to access it on instantly so i left it there
[06:06] <oly_mk2> till i can be bothered to try it again
[06:06] <oly_mk2> i am intrested though because might give me ideas / inspiration
[06:07] <nealmcb> I do prefer python :-)
[06:07] <oly_mk2> me to :)
[06:07] <nealmcb> have you tried putting it in a ppa?
[06:07] <oly_mk2> this is my first venture into python,
[06:08] <oly_mk2> i tried making a deb and failed miserably
[06:08] <oly_mk2> getting lots of wierd errors that where meaningless to me,
[06:08] <oly_mk2> i guess with ppa you make the deb and upload it ?
[06:09] <oly_mk2> will probably have another crack at it soon
[06:09] <nealmcb> yeah, after testing builds locally
[06:09] <nealmcb> https://help.launchpad.net/PPA101/20070913
[06:10] <nealmcb> you may still need to be in the launchpad beta testers team
[06:10] <oly_mk2> aha, okay will look into it
[06:10] <nealmcb> downloading didn't help my view of the video - what size screen did you make it on?
[06:10] <oly_mk2> i would like to know how to make debs
[06:10] <oly_mk2> its a widescreen laptop
[06:11] <nealmcb> that's the problem for me - only 1024 across
[06:11] <oly_mk2> 1400x1050
[06:11] <oly_mk2> perhaps i will try making it again, and drop the resolution
[06:11] <oly_mk2> did not really consider that when making it
[06:12] <nealmcb> I recall a good screencaster-maker howto from a while ago, will share it if I find it
[06:12] <oly_mk2> okay,
[06:12] <oly_mk2> what i really want is a good ogg editor :p
[06:12] <oly_mk2> but i am yet to find one
[06:13] <nealmcb> I think there are much better codecs for screencasts, but don't know if there are good free ones yet
[06:14] <oly_mk2> most likely, but i liked the fact i can use cortado and embed on my webpage
[06:14] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
[06:14] <oly_mk2> instead of using google or youtube video
[06:16] <nealmcb> huh - I don't see the video on the webpage - just the download link
[06:18] <oly_mk2> needs java, and some tweaking i think :p
[06:18] <oly_mk2> i only just added it to the site to allow them to be embeded,
[06:19] <nealmcb> ahh - I always disable java - too big/slow on this machine
[06:19] <nealmcb> pity...
[06:19] <oly_mk2> thats why theres a download link :)
[06:21] <oly_mk2> anyway hometime now
[06:53] <Scunizi> what's the install file name for glibc headers?
[06:54] <ivoks> install file name?
[06:54] <ivoks> name of the package?
[06:55] <ivoks> libc6-dev
[07:16] <Scunizi> ivoks, thanks.  I'm trying to install vmware-tools in xubuntu desktop on Dapper Server. It's reporting an error in locating the correct directory to find the C headers. Using "locate" doesn't seem to help.
[07:17] <ivoks> apt-file would help
[07:17] <ivoks> apt-file search name_of_the_file
[07:17] <Scunizi> ok.. and the file name is libc6-dev?
[07:18] <ivoks> no
[07:18] <ivoks> that's package name
[07:18] <ivoks> file name would be something like /usr/include/termio.h
[07:18] <Scunizi> ok.. I'll give it a shot..
[07:19] <ivoks> just install libc6-dev
[07:19] <ivoks> those are C headers
[07:19] <Scunizi> I did but vmware-tools is looking for the headers in /usr/scr/linux/include and can't find them.  That's why I'm looking for the right location.
[07:20] <Scunizi> shoulda mentioned that first :|
[07:20] <ivoks> that's kernel headers, not C headers
[07:20] <Scunizi> It's specifically asking for the C headers.
[07:21] <ivoks> what kernel do you use?
[07:21] <ivoks> C cause it's a language; it wouldn't ask python for C programs :)
[07:21] <Scunizi> 2.6.15-26 server
[07:22] <ivoks> then install linux-headers-server
[07:22] <Scunizi> k
[07:26] <Scunizi> installed and still getting... "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] .  It can't find them...
[07:28] <ivoks> location is /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server
[07:28] <ivoks> or, you can make link
[07:28] <ivoks> ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server /usr/src/linux
[07:29] <Scunizi> it wants me to type in the direct path to them. I tried /usr/src with no success.. and /usr/src/linux .. weird.. I've done this before without these hoops..
[07:32] <ivoks> well, you are doing it wrong
[07:32] <ivoks> create a link
[07:32] <ivoks> and then just leave it as /usr/src/linux/include
[07:33] <Scunizi> ok.. I'll give it a shot.. I appriciate your help.
[07:40] <Scunizi> when I uname -a to discover which kernel I'm using it shows what I previously mentioned.  After installing the headers with the line you gave me, and looking in /usr/src with Thunar it shows header files for xx.xx-29..
[07:40] <Scunizi> Is that normal?
[07:41] <ivoks> you just installed system?
[07:41] <ivoks> and didn't do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:42] <Scunizi> I did an update and an upgrade not a dist-upgrade..
[07:43] <Scunizi> Will dist-upgrade attempt to take me beyond Dapper?
[07:43] <ivoks> no
[07:43] <Scunizi> ok.. I"ll do that first..
[07:43] <ivoks> do-release-upgrade does that
[07:44] <Scunizi> It's been a while since I did a fresh install.. still fairly noobish at this and remembering the nuances of install..
[07:45] <Scunizi> you'd figure after a year of practicing I'd remember some of this.. erg.
[07:45] <ivoks> :)
[07:46] <ivoks> just install latest kernel, boot it and then continue installation of vmware tools
[07:46] <Scunizi> will do
[07:54] <Scunizi> Success!  Thanks.. I know it can sometimes be aggravating helping when some of the much needed info to diagnose a problem is eeked out. I know, I occationally help on #ubuntu.  Your patients is appriciated.. :)
[07:55] <ivoks> great... enjoy ;)
[07:55] <Scunizi> you bet!
[08:33] <osmosis> will I be able to upgrade to gutsy final easily when it comes out, from gutsy beta ?
[08:34] <ScottK> Yes.
[08:34] <ScottK> Just do regular updates and when the final is released, you'll have it already.
[09:53] <ScottK> lamont: For a Hardy mail server goal I was thinking amavisd-new in Main as the official way to bolt on crack like clamav or spamassassin might make sense.  Any thoughts?
[09:55] <lamont> haven't used amavisd or clamav.  I have used spamassassin though....
[09:55] <ScottK> How did you integrate it into Postfix?
[09:55] <lamont> I imagine  you and that other guy I know will have very good ideas about what the default MTA install should look like....
[09:56] <ScottK> Right.
[09:56] <lamont> some random howto from the web, which I probably b0rked, since I get occasional complaints about the db lock file not being creatable....
[09:57] <ScottK> You might want to look into amavisd-new and call SA from that.  On postfix-users it seems to be the standard recommendation these days.
[09:57] <lamont> ah, cool
[09:57] <lamont> I assume I can have amavisd-new and not actually check for any viruses?
[09:57] <ScottK> I also just uploaded a new version to Gutsy.
[09:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[09:57] <lamont> if there were windoze boxen, I might care more.
[09:58] <ScottK> Amavisd-new can have either SA, clamav, or neither bolted on.
[09:58] <lamont> nice
[09:59] <ScottK> I'm in the opposite position myself.  I run outbound MTAs and I trust my customers not to spam (long story, but it works for me), but since the almost all run Windows boxen, I pass clamav over everything.
[09:59] <ScottK> Since I just need clamav, I use clamsmtp myself since it's a lighter way to do just clamav.
[09:59] <lamont> ah, ok
[10:00] <lamont> from what I don't know, I might actually understand parts of that long story.  Then again, it's all supposition
[10:00] <ScottK> No, it's probably a different story, but who knows (since you claim you don't).
[10:01] <lamont> I have a long-standing NDA with that other guy.  then again, I also have no need to know other than helping him with racking stuff and answering his BIND questions from time to time
[10:01] <ScottK> In any case I just uploaded a new amavisd-new that's more Ubuntuized.
[10:01] <lamont> nice
[10:02] <lamont> and it's pure assumption on my part that A is related to B at all.
[10:02] <ScottK> Right.  It's not 100% unrelated, but close.
[10:03] <ScottK> I mostly did the upload so that if uname -a isn't a FQDN (which we have bugs aboug), the user gets pointed to the actual correct conf file.
[10:03] <lamont> (no change uploads can be fun when they break... always good to test first)
[10:03] <ScottK> Agreed.
[10:03] <lamont> uname -a almost never gives an FQDN....
[10:03] <lamont> hostname --fqdn, otoh....
[10:05] <ScottK> Right.  Wrong extension.
[10:05] <ScottK> Option, whatever
[10:05] <ScottK> In any case we don't always set it right.
[10:07] <umop-apisdn> can anyone show me a well-commented series of examples for iptables? i need port redirection to specific machines, and a generic nat for non-specific machines.
[10:10] <umop-apisdn> oh, and i have ip aliases on my external nic, eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. the interface it comes in on determines which internal machine gets the port redirect
[10:12] <umop-apisdn> lamont: thanks, i'll try those
[10:18] <lamont> ScottK: and possibly just unkind mind games on my part to imply that I have any knowledge on whatever subject that is... :)
[10:18] <ScottK> Sure.  No problem.
[10:19] <lamont> :-)  I'll remember to be more kind in the future.
[10:20] <lamont> that whole "approaching good from the other side" thing that Keybuk was accusing me of last night
[10:20] <ScottK> lamont: I used to enjoy the cygwin mailing list whose motto (for those that don't know) is WJM _ We're Just Mean.
[10:21] <lamont> heh
[10:22] <ScottK> The Ubuntu CoC represents an interesting challenge for me.  I've mostly managed to stay on the correct side of it.
[11:42] <pike_> how do i designate a tab key in a sed? like cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep model\ name | sed -e 's/model name        //'
[11:42] <pike_> i can use tr to do it with a \t just wondering
[11:45] <pike_> lol nm