[11:42] <mbiebl> Keybuk: hi, how's work going on upstart?
[11:42] <mbiebl> I guess you are pretty busy atm with the upcoming release
[11:51] <Keybuk> mbiebl: still blocking on working out what direction to tak eit
[11:52] <mbiebl> Why not implement some non-controversial stuff first.
[11:52] <Keybuk> such as?
[11:52] <mbiebl> I'd love to see pid file monitoring e.g.
[11:54] <Keybuk> but you wouldn't get to see it for a while
[11:54] <Keybuk> since the rest of the code is in an intermediate state
[11:56] <mbiebl> what about branching off from 0.3.8 for that?
[11:56] <mbiebl> IIRC also stuff like umask, chroot etc. is not implemented yet. 
[11:56] <Keybuk> that stuff's always been implemented
[11:57] <mbiebl> ah sorry, I mixed it up with an option to run the job as a different user...
[11:57] <Keybuk> that's never going to be implemented :p
[11:58] <mbiebl> lol
[11:58] <Keybuk> the closest to that planned is having users other than root own jobs
[11:58] <Keybuk> (and having them listen in on that user's and root's events)
[12:01] <Keybuk> the problem at the moment for me is until I've decided what to do with Upstart, I don't really have much motivation to work on it
[12:01] <mbiebl> So an option like start-stop-daemons --chuid won't be in upstart. Would have been handy because some sysv init scripts seems to use that functionality
[12:01] <Keybuk> mbiebl: exec su user -c ...
[12:03] <mbiebl> yeah, but a separate chuid stanza for that would be "nicer". 
[12:05] <Keybuk> reimplementing all of su in upstart is "nicer" ?
[12:06] <Keybuk> mbiebl: what are your thoughts on the mail I sent to upstart-devel?
[12:06] <mbiebl> I'll have to read it again first.
[12:09] <mbiebl> I can't promise though, that I can contribute something useful to the discussion which will help you :-)
[12:12] <mbiebl> Another area, upstart is currently lacking imho, is a flexible output/logging system.
[12:20] <mbiebl> Might be worth looking at. What was the outcome of the logd issue? 
[12:20] <mbiebl> Is something like syslog-ng an valuable alternative for that?
[12:25] <Keybuk> maybe
[12:25] <Keybuk> I haven't looked into it