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jjessethat's intersting after all my upgrade problems i didn't have the complete package for open office org installed12:49
jjessemethinks its time to reload and start from scratch12:50
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coreymon77man, im telling you01:40
coreymon77knetworkmanager is a complete piece of crap software that should never have been included01:41
coreymon77its awful01:41
coreymon77never works01:41
jjessecoreymon77: really?  i don't have any problems with it on my laptop01:45
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JucatoHobbsee: are you having problems with dist-upgrade because of cupsys?03:43
Hobbseein a chroot?03:44
Jucatonope. in gutsy03:44
Jucatotoday's upgrades03:44
Hobbseehavent tried03:44
Jucatoah ok... :)03:44
Jucatogood morning-almost-noon btw Hobbsee :)03:45
Hobbsee:)03:45
Tm_Toh, right, I didnt have op rights here03:46
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Hobbseeproblem solved.03:46
Hobbseenow just dont quit03:46
Jucatoweee03:46
Jucatolol03:46
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Tm_Tdone03:47
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Jucatohm... IP looks very familiar...03:47
Tm_TJucato: yes, xp_killer03:47
Jucatooh not him again?!?03:47
Tm_Tyup03:47
Tm_Tand he's gone worse03:47
Jucatosheesh! and I thought he's reformed... at least in #kubuntu... at least for the other day...03:48
Tm_TJucato: nah, also ban evading, intentional or not03:49
Jucatohe went by the nick of wii for a few days iirc03:49
Tm_Tyup03:49
Tm_Tapparently03:49
Tm_Tbut he had bans nontheles03:49
=== Jucato thinks he's the most clueless among the ops :)
Tm_Tback to libxine & KDE guis testing03:52
Jucatoback to recompiling kde4 :)03:52
nixternalwell well well04:09
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Jucatoevening nixternal04:15
jjessemorning Jucato04:15
Jucatoevening jjesse!04:16
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=== Jucato wonders how long it will take to apply for and get a visa to the US...
claydohdang it my Konversation's settings erverted to stock lol04:18
jjessefor?04:18
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Jucatoclaydoh: only the tab positions are04:18
Jucatounless you removed konversationrc in your home :)04:18
claydohno, my systray went awat too04:18
Jucatooh...04:19
claydohnope, i left it alone04:19
claydohbut alas, that looks to be it04:19
Jucato:)04:19
Jucatojjesse: was that question for me?04:19
jjesseJucato: yeah why visa for us?04:19
JucatoI'm dreaming of going to the KDE 4 release party for free by joining the contest :)04:20
Jucatobut then I realized upon waking up that I don't have a visa or a passport at all :)04:20
claydohI must be the only one who thinks konvi's default layout/settings are not as good as they could be...04:20
claydohJucato: why would you need a visa?04:21
Jucatoclaydoh: I'm not in the US? :)04:21
claydohjust a passport I'd guess, unless you want to stay04:21
HobbseeJucato: cupsys already fixed, btw04:21
jjessei think all you would need is a passport04:21
JucatoHobbsee: coolness :)04:21
Jucatohm... I'll double check. afaik we need a visa to get into the US... :(04:21
Jucatoeven a tourist visa of sorts.. although I won't be staying that long *if* I do win04:22
Jucatohahahah!04:22
claydohvisas are for extended stays04:22
nixternalyes, all you would need is a passport, but seeing as you are Jucato, dude, you will need every piece of paper that you can find04:22
claydohas in more than a few weeks04:22
Jucatolol!04:22
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Jucatotoo bad it's in california though...04:23
Jucatoall my folks are in NY...04:23
nixternaldon't let them know that, they will end up sending your folks back :D04:24
nixternalthis is the US, the land of the locked up04:24
Jucatosorry, they're american citizens already :)04:24
nixternalheh, and you think they care? :p04:24
JucatoI'll *make* them care :)04:24
Jucatoor I'll threaten them with "I know nixternal!!!"04:25
Jucatothat'll shut them up :)04:25
nixternalthey keep talking about this "fence" they want to put on the borders...it isn't to keep out people from entering the US, it is to keep us from leaving!04:25
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Tm_TJucato: you scare me04:25
Jucatohahah :)04:25
nixternalholy schnikeys, do you think todays updates could be any larger?04:25
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Jucatonah, who am I kidding! as if I'll win that darn contest... as if I have anything to answer that darn question :P04:28
Tm_Twhat question?04:28
jjessei think im updating every package?04:29
Jucato"Why should you be put at the KDE 4.0 release event'04:29
nixternalthat is easy, answer it with... "Because I am Jucato, that's why! Jeesh!"04:30
Jucatoyeah... that would do. :)04:31
Tm_Thaha04:32
nixternal272MB in updates tonight...wow04:32
Jucatothis works better. "Because I am Jucato, and I know nixternal! Any complaints?"04:32
=== nixternal wonders why metasploit isn't in our repos
nixternalyou will definitely get denied, and then persecuted to the fullest extent04:33
Jucatohehehe04:33
nixternaljeesh, I asked this girl in Ubuntu Chicago to proof my essay, and she has had it for like 15 minutes...must be a bad one..that last one she did in a few minutes04:33
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nixternalget me deported to Mexico, and I will forever be in your debt04:34
nixternalheh, maybe that isn't a good thing...one day down the road I will get my credit report and it will say "Bank of Jucato"04:34
Jucatolol04:34
nixternallord knows it already has about 100 banks on it :)04:35
JucatoI'd be the 101st04:35
nixternalsounds like an army airborne unit to me04:36
Jucatohehe04:36
nixternalI need to play some Call of Duty I think04:36
Jucatoomg! too much traffic04:39
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Jucatowhew! finally traffic died down :/05:09
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Tm_Thmmmmm, so Gutsy has KDE-PIM Enterprise :p06:04
Tm_Twho was our desktop settings wizard?07:03
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bootsmorrishi all07:50
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kwwiiso, the update went horribly wrong08:56
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kwwiioh well, no email - who needs email?09:01
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Jucatohi kwwii!09:02
kwwiihi Jucato09:03
kwwiianyone know what to do if the version upgrade doesn't finish?09:03
kwwiiI start adept manager to finish it and it says it cannot as things would break09:03
kwwiiin the meantime my kontact is broken so I cannot read emails09:04
Jucatosudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends09:04
kwwiidpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys209:04
kwwiidpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                        [ OK ] 09:04
kwwiiErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb09:04
kwwiiE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)09:04
Jucatooh yeah09:05
kwwiithe biggest problem for me is the lack of email09:05
Jucatobroken cupsys upgrade since hours ago09:05
kwwiiimap works but pop does not for some reason09:05
kwwiiworking from home, email is somewhat of a must09:07
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Tm_Thi \sh and good morning09:27
\shmoins Tm_T and all :)09:28
Tm_Tguten morgen :)09:28
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Tm_Tkwwii: thats why I compile kdepim myself09:45
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Tm_Tgood evening Hobbsee10:09
Hobbseehiya Tm_T10:09
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_StefanS_mornings11:04
_StefanS_Hobbsee: did you get that debdiff?11:04
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Hobbseemmm11:06
Hobbsee_StefanS_: er, shouldnt you make that a patch itself (without the changelog entry), rather than patch teh source directly?11:08
Hobbseeor are you sending that upstream?11:08
_StefanS_Hobbsee: it will be sent upstream, but I will coordinate that with Tonio_ since he knows more about it11:08
Hobbseeok11:08
Hobbsee_StefanS_: i'll assume that'll be in the next upstream version then11:09
Hobbsee(otherwise, we'll be hosing those changes when we upgrade)11:09
_StefanS_Hobbsee: yep something like that11:09
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_StefanS_Tm_T: what about that?11:10
Tm_T011:11
_StefanS_Hobbsee: Thanks11:13
Hobbseeno problem11:13
_StefanS_is it me, or is archive.ubuntu.com pretty slow?11:17
Hobbseeit's slow11:17
_StefanS_mkay..11:17
Hobbseeand i'm unsure if security is up at all11:17
_StefanS_I thought my adsl just went bonkers11:17
Hobbseeoh, it is there too11:18
Hobbseejust slow11:18
_StefanS_yep ok11:18
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_StefanS_I can never remember where the buildprogress is inside launchpad.... could anyone help?11:34
Hobbseebuildprogress of what?11:34
Hobbseelp.net/ubuntu/+builds11:34
_StefanS_ah11:34
_StefanS_thanks11:34
kwwiiso what does one do when the version upgrade is done, and then adept says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."11:34
kwwiiseems to be cups11:34
Hobbseekwwii: you dont file a duplicate bug.11:35
kwwiiHobbsee: ok, then what do I do now that my kmail no longer works with my POP accounts?11:36
kwwiiupgrading was the biggest mistake yet - I really need for my machine to work11:36
kwwiikinda hard going without email11:37
Hobbseedont use kmail?11:37
Hobbseeunsure11:37
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_StefanS_Hobbsee: do you use thunderbird?11:39
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yes11:40
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mhbmorning11:46
Jucatohi mhb11:46
mhbJucato: shouldn't you deop yourself if you don't need it?11:47
JucatoI'm not a real op in here. only opped by Hobbsee11:47
Jucatobut if you say so11:47
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mhbJucato: some people can take it as a sign of power ... the "@" sign of power11:48
mhb:o)11:48
Jucatoit's gone ok?11:48
Hobbseemhb: they can, but we'd hope in a place like here, theyh'd get over themselves.11:48
_StefanS_uhm anyone know the state of sound support for ICH8/9 in gutsy?11:53
_StefanS_like what to do if its not working11:53
mhbHobbsee: I still see no reason why someone should hang around here with an op.11:53
_StefanS_hey Jucato11:53
_StefanS_the "always online" monk.11:53
mhbJucato: you sound quite tense for an ex-op :o)11:53
Hobbseemhb: if they cant reop, and we have a known troll going around the network.11:53
_StefanS_shaolin all the way :D11:53
Jucatohehe hi _StefanS_11:54
Jucatoit's ok Hobbsee. there's almost always someone around anyway. and Tm_T still has his11:55
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Tm_TJucato: ?11:57
JucatoTm_T: you still have temporary op in here that Hobbsee bequeathed on us11:58
Tm_Tapparently11:58
Tm_Tbut this hat looks good on me ;(11:58
Jucatokeep it11:59
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mhbI still do not get this ... if there are people we trust (and there are cases when an op is needed but it is not here), why can't we give them a permanent ability to op?12:00
Hobbseebecause it reuqires one of us to remember, and when Riddell is around.12:01
mhbI can do the remembering if that is the hardest part :o)12:01
Riddellqui? moi?12:01
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mhbright, Riddell always lies dormant here :o)12:03
Riddellkwwii: what went wrong with the upgrade?12:04
kwwiiRiddell: after looking into it further it seems that the cups update was what prevented me from installing the several hundred updates after the version upgrade itself12:11
kwwiiso by deselecting that, I got the other updates and now my kmail is doing POP again12:12
kwwiifreaked me out for a bit this morning though12:12
_StefanS_kwwii: there's a not on the cupsys in #ubuntu+112:12
_StefanS_eh12:12
_StefanS_not/note12:12
kwwii_StefanS_: luckily I rarely print, and never from linux12:12
kwwiibut it prevented me from updating my kmail and for the last several hours I had no email12:13
kwwiiwhich sucks when you work from home12:13
_StefanS_the hda_intel kernel module, which package is it in? or what is that command for looking it up.12:13
_StefanS_linux-ubuntu-modules-* ?12:14
RiddellNightrose: amarok2 2.0.0~svn693037-0ubuntu2 was ACCEPTED   hooray12:15
Riddellkwwii: but what broke about the version upgrade?12:16
stdinRiddell: I couldn't get amarok to build in pbuilder when I tried, http://www.stdin.me.uk/build.log12:17
NightroseRiddell: groovy ;-)12:18
kwwiiRiddell: apparently it went well, but without updating directly after the system is pretty b0rked12:18
kwwiione thing I noticed is that my ksplash wallpaper did not get updated12:19
kwwiiand kmail simply did not work with any POP accounts12:19
Riddellkwwii: it obviously didn't go well if you didn't end up with an up to date system12:19
kwwiipower manager still seems to have problems12:20
kwwiipower manager just died, actually12:20
kwwiiRiddell: hrm, I did not see any notices after the version upgrade12:20
kwwiiit rebooted and then I saw that there were several hundred updates to packages12:20
kwwiiafter deselecting cups I finally got to install those and things seem to work a bit better now12:21
kwwiihow does one restart power manager?12:22
kwwiiand how does one turn on compositing now?12:23
Riddellkwwii: so the dist upgrade tool (small window, not adept) spent a couple of hours downloading and installing the new gutsy packages?12:25
kwwiiRiddell: yepp, and then it rebooted the system12:26
kwwiiit spent like 4 hours downloading, etc12:26
Riddelland it ended by telling you to reboot?12:27
kwwiiyepp12:27
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kwwiiit rebooted my machine itself, iirc12:27
RiddellI don't think it should do that12:28
Riddelllooks like your cups bug has been fixed this morning though https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/14910612:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Fix released] 12:28
_StefanS_Riddell: well, it seems like I've been given the honors of creating the knm 0.2.1 official package, I will probably have it done this weekend12:30
_StefanS_Riddell: are we out of time then?12:30
kwwiiRiddell: the only outstanding problem that I can see is that the ksplash bg is still the wallpaper from feisty12:31
Riddell_StefanS_: yes, it really needs done today12:31
_StefanS_argh12:31
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Riddellkwwii: what version of ksmserver do you have installed?  (apt-cache policy ksmserver)12:33
kwwiiRiddell: Installed: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu2712:33
Riddellkwwii: ok, your bug should be fixed in ubuntu2812:34
Riddellkwwii: when that appears upgrade to it and log into kde again and let me know if the ksplash has been fixed12:34
kwwiiRiddell: will do12:35
kwwiialthough adept-manager seems to spend for ever fetching updates12:35
kwwiiin fact, it just showed an error getting http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg12:36
kwwiilol, running it again it finishes fetching but the cups pacakges do not seem to want to install12:44
kwwiifeels like a server problem to me12:46
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kwwiiso is there some way to enable compiz in kde?01:12
Riddellkwwii: not really, only compiz --replace01:17
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kwwiiRiddell: ok, thanks01:25
Riddellanyone ever used kdelirc ?01:28
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_StefanS_Riddell: if the 0.2 version of knetworkmanager is named like this "knetworkmanager-0.2ubuntu1" , how would you name 0.2.1 ?03:35
Riddellknetworkmanager-0.2.1ubuntu103:36
Riddellerr, hmm03:36
_StefanS_ubuntu1 ?03:36
_StefanS_isnt that ubuntu0 then03:36
Riddellyes, there's something we do to the upstream version03:36
_StefanS_ah ok03:36
RiddellI can't remember what that is, but that's why we have ubuntu1 on the end03:36
_StefanS_ok fine, are these "rules" written somewhere?03:36
_StefanS_would be nice to be able to look it up from time to time03:36
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Jucatohi bddebian03:45
bddebianHi Jucato03:47
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Jucatohi nixternal04:08
nixternalhowdy...that was odd...my server just shut itself off, or the power flickered this morning, about 4 hours ago04:09
JucatogRemlins I tell you!04:10
nixternalheh04:10
Jucatolooks like I do need a visa even for a few days' stay in the US. a vistor's visa... one that would take a year to process :)04:10
Jucatoso that severely dashes in hope at all :)04:10
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Jucatoanyone else have duplicate entries of KNotes (Office and Utilities) and Groupware Wizard (Internet and Office)?04:15
Hobbseeknotes yes, no instances of g w04:15
nixternalyup04:15
nixternalsame with Kontact04:15
nixternalInternet and Office04:15
Jucatook. thought I was going krazy again..04:15
nixternalagain? when did you going krazy ever stop to begin with? :p04:16
Jucatowhen I'm asleep :P04:16
nixternalhaha04:16
Jucatothen I go grazy :)04:16
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JucatoKDE & Kubuntu is getting bad for my health... I've had dreams this week that involved those two...04:17
nixternalomg, so did I04:17
Jucatolol!!!04:17
nixternaldude, I had a dream the other night that I lost all of my email04:17
nixternalI woke up and ran to my computer04:17
Jucatowait. hm.. can't recall if that time you were there :)04:17
nixternalskipped coffee and the bathroom04:17
Jucatohahaha :)04:18
=== Jucato wonders if Hobbsee dreams more about launchpad and stuff....
nixternalhaha04:18
Hobbseehmmm.  no, not really04:18
Jucato:)04:18
Hobbseejust which section of the world i'm going to take over next04:18
nixternalmuhehe04:18
Jucatokool!04:19
Jucatohey! just reserve a Kontinent for me will you?04:19
Hobbseei dont do much on LP, as such04:19
Jucatoa Kountry would be ok though...04:19
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Hobbseesomeoen wanted new zealand.  you can have another if you wish04:19
Jucatoah new zealand... first country to be annihalated in that movie..04:19
nixternalI thought Adept was supposed to tell you to reboot when you did any updates to system files...mine has never done that04:20
Jucatoit did when I upgraded the kernel. once04:20
nixternalthen again, I have just started using it because if I use apt-get, it tends to freeze on me04:20
Jucatothe notifier is supposed to change to a different icon04:21
Hobbseeapt-get freezing?04:21
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=== ScottK neither.
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claydohJucato: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/tempvisitors_wait.php04:24
Jucatoclaydoh: Visitors Visas: 23 Days translates to [indefinite]  in Philippine time :)04:26
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claydohJucato: well that sucks I guess :(04:43
DaSkreechHi Jucato :)04:48
Jucatohi DaSkreech04:49
DaSkreechHow are you?04:49
Jucatofine I guess04:49
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nixternalhey, has anyone gotten our beta package to have a proper kicker with kmenu?05:14
nixternalI haven't tried in a while and I have to give a KDE 4 talk tomorrow05:15
Jucatothere was no kmenu in beta2 at all05:15
Jucatoand the panel only has contents if you compiled and installed playground/base/plasma05:16
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nixternallovely05:17
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Jucatolet's hope that beta3 will come with a menu and a panel this time, even if the menu is the kickoff port05:18
DaSkreechArgh kickoff!!05:19
Jucatobetter than nothing05:19
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DaSkreechOK going home05:22
DaSkreechsee you soon05:22
jpatrickanyone know what I'm doing wrong? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/72684605:24
nixternaldoesn't seem to be a make all05:26
nixternaltime for school...back in a bit05:26
Jucatobye java voy05:28
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DaSkreechAgain not sure if it's me but Konqueror and KHTML parts don'[t update06:42
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sahin_hI don't know who did the fix, but ksplash works well now in xinerana environment!07:31
sahin_hI mean in Gutsy!07:31
sahin_hSo thanks!07:31
DaSkreechWelcome!07:32
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sahin_hIs the automatic printer config will be available in kubuntu gutsy too?07:33
sahin_hOr maybe in the future version?07:33
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Riddellnot gutsy07:35
Riddellhopefully future versions07:35
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sahin_hOk. However configure the printer by hand is not a big deal. By the way it works for me.07:36
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DaSkreechFroze again10:33
DaSkreech same reason10:34
=== nixternal needs a kde 4 setup really bad for tomorrow
nosrednaekimnixternal: what is tomorrow?10:36
nixternala pretty big Install Fest at the University of Illinois...I have been slated to do another KDE 4 talk10:36
nosrednaekimah... lucky you10:39
nixternalhttp://www.mikesplanet.net/2007/10/the-vista-commerical-you-will-want-to-see/10:44
nixternalerrr10:44
nixternalOK, I pasted that in one channel and it showed up here as well10:44
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DaSkreech:-)10:44
DaSkreechAnyone having crashed from the toolbar tooltips?10:45
nosrednaekimnixternal: traitor... you aren't using konversation10:45
ScottKnixternal: http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2007/10/marketing-koan10:46
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nixternalI haven't used Konversation in over a year...I had to go back to irssi...I was tired of the /autowho floods, and the fact it never played nice with the irssi proxy or bip10:55
nixternalhahah, Zen and the art of of moving product...classic10:56
ScottKnixternal: I figured you'd like it.  Marketing and Vista both in one comic.10:56
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