[12:49] <jjesse> that's intersting after all my upgrade problems i didn't have the complete package for open office org installed
[12:50] <jjesse> methinks its time to reload and start from scratch
[01:40] <coreymon77> man, im telling you
[01:41] <coreymon77> knetworkmanager is a complete piece of crap software that should never have been included
[01:41] <coreymon77> its awful
[01:41] <coreymon77> never works
[01:45] <jjesse> coreymon77: really?  i don't have any problems with it on my laptop
[03:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: are you having problems with dist-upgrade because of cupsys?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> in a chroot?
[03:44] <Jucato> nope. in gutsy
[03:44] <Jucato> today's upgrades
[03:44] <Hobbsee> havent tried
[03:44] <Jucato> ah ok... :)
[03:45] <Jucato> good morning-almost-noon btw Hobbsee :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:46] <Tm_T> oh, right, I didnt have op rights here
[03:46] <Hobbsee> problem solved.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> now just dont quit
[03:46] <Jucato> weee
[03:46] <Jucato> lol
[03:47] <Tm_T> done
[03:47] <Jucato> hm... IP looks very familiar...
[03:47] <Tm_T> Jucato: yes, xp_killer
[03:47] <Jucato> oh not him again?!?
[03:47] <Tm_T> yup
[03:47] <Tm_T> and he's gone worse
[03:48] <Jucato> sheesh! and I thought he's reformed... at least in #kubuntu... at least for the other day...
[03:49] <Tm_T> Jucato: nah, also ban evading, intentional or not
[03:49] <Jucato> he went by the nick of wii for a few days iirc
[03:49] <Tm_T> yup
[03:49] <Tm_T> apparently
[03:49] <Tm_T> but he had bans nontheles
[03:52] <Tm_T> back to libxine & KDE guis testing
[03:52] <Jucato> back to recompiling kde4 :)
[04:09] <nixternal> well well well
[04:15] <Jucato> evening nixternal
[04:15] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[04:16] <Jucato> evening jjesse!
[04:18] <claydoh> dang it my Konversation's settings erverted to stock lol
[04:18] <jjesse> for?
[04:18] <Jucato> claydoh: only the tab positions are
[04:18] <Jucato> unless you removed konversationrc in your home :)
[04:18] <claydoh> no, my systray went awat too
[04:19] <Jucato> oh...
[04:19] <claydoh> nope, i left it alone
[04:19] <claydoh> but alas, that looks to be it
[04:19] <Jucato> :)
[04:19] <Jucato> jjesse: was that question for me?
[04:19] <jjesse> Jucato: yeah why visa for us?
[04:20] <Jucato> I'm dreaming of going to the KDE 4 release party for free by joining the contest :)
[04:20] <Jucato> but then I realized upon waking up that I don't have a visa or a passport at all :)
[04:20] <claydoh> I must be the only one who thinks konvi's default layout/settings are not as good as they could be...
[04:21] <claydoh> Jucato: why would you need a visa?
[04:21] <Jucato> claydoh: I'm not in the US? :)
[04:21] <claydoh> just a passport I'd guess, unless you want to stay
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: cupsys already fixed, btw
[04:21] <jjesse> i think all you would need is a passport
[04:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee: coolness :)
[04:21] <Jucato> hm... I'll double check. afaik we need a visa to get into the US... :(
[04:22] <Jucato> even a tourist visa of sorts.. although I won't be staying that long *if* I do win
[04:22] <Jucato> hahahah!
[04:22] <claydoh> visas are for extended stays
[04:22] <nixternal> yes, all you would need is a passport, but seeing as you are Jucato, dude, you will need every piece of paper that you can find
[04:22] <claydoh> as in more than a few weeks
[04:22] <Jucato> lol!
[04:23] <Jucato> too bad it's in california though...
[04:23] <Jucato> all my folks are in NY...
[04:24] <nixternal> don't let them know that, they will end up sending your folks back :D
[04:24] <nixternal> this is the US, the land of the locked up
[04:24] <Jucato> sorry, they're american citizens already :)
[04:24] <nixternal> heh, and you think they care? :p
[04:24] <Jucato> I'll *make* them care :)
[04:25] <Jucato> or I'll threaten them with "I know nixternal!!!"
[04:25] <Jucato> that'll shut them up :)
[04:25] <nixternal> they keep talking about this "fence" they want to put on the borders...it isn't to keep out people from entering the US, it is to keep us from leaving!
[04:25] <Tm_T> Jucato: you scare me
[04:25] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:25] <nixternal> holy schnikeys, do you think todays updates could be any larger?
[04:28] <Jucato> nah, who am I kidding! as if I'll win that darn contest... as if I have anything to answer that darn question :P
[04:28] <Tm_T> what question?
[04:29] <jjesse> i think im updating every package?
[04:29] <Jucato> "Why should you be put at the KDE 4.0 release event'
[04:30] <nixternal> that is easy, answer it with... "Because I am Jucato, that's why! Jeesh!"
[04:31] <Jucato> yeah... that would do. :)
[04:32] <Tm_T> haha
[04:32] <nixternal> 272MB in updates tonight...wow
[04:32] <Jucato> this works better. "Because I am Jucato, and I know nixternal! Any complaints?"
[04:33] <nixternal> you will definitely get denied, and then persecuted to the fullest extent
[04:33] <Jucato> hehehe
[04:33] <nixternal> jeesh, I asked this girl in Ubuntu Chicago to proof my essay, and she has had it for like 15 minutes...must be a bad one..that last one she did in a few minutes
[04:34] <nixternal> get me deported to Mexico, and I will forever be in your debt
[04:34] <nixternal> heh, maybe that isn't a good thing...one day down the road I will get my credit report and it will say "Bank of Jucato"
[04:34] <Jucato> lol
[04:35] <nixternal> lord knows it already has about 100 banks on it :)
[04:35] <Jucato> I'd be the 101st
[04:36] <nixternal> sounds like an army airborne unit to me
[04:36] <Jucato> hehe
[04:36] <nixternal> I need to play some Call of Duty I think
[04:39] <Jucato> omg! too much traffic
[05:09] <Jucato> whew! finally traffic died down :/
[06:04] <Tm_T> hmmmmm, so Gutsy has KDE-PIM Enterprise :p
[07:03] <Tm_T> who was our desktop settings wizard?
[07:50] <bootsmorris> hi all
[08:56] <kwwii> so, the update went horribly wrong
[09:01] <kwwii> oh well, no email - who needs email?
[09:02] <Jucato> hi kwwii!
[09:03] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[09:03] <kwwii> anyone know what to do if the version upgrade doesn't finish?
[09:03] <kwwii> I start adept manager to finish it and it says it cannot as things would break
[09:04] <kwwii> in the meantime my kontact is broken so I cannot read emails
[09:04] <Jucato> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends
[09:04] <kwwii> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[09:04] <kwwii> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                        [ OK ] 
[09:04] <kwwii> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:04] <kwwii> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:05] <Jucato> oh yeah
[09:05] <kwwii> the biggest problem for me is the lack of email
[09:05] <Jucato> broken cupsys upgrade since hours ago
[09:05] <kwwii> imap works but pop does not for some reason
[09:07] <kwwii> working from home, email is somewhat of a must
[09:27] <Tm_T> hi \sh and good morning
[09:28] <\sh> moins Tm_T and all :)
[09:28] <Tm_T> guten morgen :)
[09:45] <Tm_T> kwwii: thats why I compile kdepim myself
[10:09] <Tm_T> good evening Hobbsee
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hiya Tm_T
[11:04] <_StefanS_> mornings
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: did you get that debdiff?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> mmm
[11:08] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: er, shouldnt you make that a patch itself (without the changelog entry), rather than patch teh source directly?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> or are you sending that upstream?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: it will be sent upstream, but I will coordinate that with Tonio_ since he knows more about it
[11:08] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:09] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i'll assume that'll be in the next upstream version then
[11:09] <Hobbsee> (otherwise, we'll be hosing those changes when we upgrade)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yep something like that
[11:10] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: what about that?
[11:11] <Tm_T> 0
[11:13] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Thanks
[11:13] <Hobbsee> no problem
[11:17] <_StefanS_> is it me, or is archive.ubuntu.com pretty slow?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> it's slow
[11:17] <_StefanS_> mkay..
[11:17] <Hobbsee> and i'm unsure if security is up at all
[11:17] <_StefanS_> I thought my adsl just went bonkers
[11:18] <Hobbsee> oh, it is there too
[11:18] <Hobbsee> just slow
[11:18] <_StefanS_> yep ok
[11:34] <_StefanS_> I can never remember where the buildprogress is inside launchpad.... could anyone help?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> buildprogress of what?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> lp.net/ubuntu/+builds
[11:34] <_StefanS_> ah
[11:34] <_StefanS_> thanks
[11:34] <kwwii> so what does one do when the version upgrade is done, and then adept says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[11:34] <kwwii> seems to be cups
[11:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii: you dont file a duplicate bug.
[11:36] <kwwii> Hobbsee: ok, then what do I do now that my kmail no longer works with my POP accounts?
[11:36] <kwwii> upgrading was the biggest mistake yet - I really need for my machine to work
[11:37] <kwwii> kinda hard going without email
[11:37] <Hobbsee> dont use kmail?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> unsure
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: do you use thunderbird?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yes
[11:46] <mhb> morning
[11:46] <Jucato> hi mhb
[11:47] <mhb> Jucato: shouldn't you deop yourself if you don't need it?
[11:47] <Jucato> I'm not a real op in here. only opped by Hobbsee
[11:47] <Jucato> but if you say so
[11:48] <mhb> Jucato: some people can take it as a sign of power ... the "@" sign of power
[11:48] <mhb> :o)
[11:48] <Jucato> it's gone ok?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> mhb: they can, but we'd hope in a place like here, theyh'd get over themselves.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> uhm anyone know the state of sound support for ICH8/9 in gutsy?
[11:53] <_StefanS_> like what to do if its not working
[11:53] <mhb> Hobbsee: I still see no reason why someone should hang around here with an op.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[11:53] <_StefanS_> the "always online" monk.
[11:53] <mhb> Jucato: you sound quite tense for an ex-op :o)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: if they cant reop, and we have a known troll going around the network.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> shaolin all the way :D
[11:54] <Jucato> hehe hi _StefanS_
[11:55] <Jucato> it's ok Hobbsee. there's almost always someone around anyway. and Tm_T still has his
[11:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: ?
[11:58] <Jucato> Tm_T: you still have temporary op in here that Hobbsee bequeathed on us
[11:58] <Tm_T> apparently
[11:58] <Tm_T> but this hat looks good on me ;(
[11:59] <Jucato> keep it
[12:00] <mhb> I still do not get this ... if there are people we trust (and there are cases when an op is needed but it is not here), why can't we give them a permanent ability to op?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> because it reuqires one of us to remember, and when Riddell is around.
[12:01] <mhb> I can do the remembering if that is the hardest part :o)
[12:01] <Riddell> qui? moi?
[12:03] <mhb> right, Riddell always lies dormant here :o)
[12:04] <Riddell> kwwii: what went wrong with the upgrade?
[12:11] <kwwii> Riddell: after looking into it further it seems that the cups update was what prevented me from installing the several hundred updates after the version upgrade itself
[12:12] <kwwii> so by deselecting that, I got the other updates and now my kmail is doing POP again
[12:12] <kwwii> freaked me out for a bit this morning though
[12:12] <_StefanS_> kwwii: there's a not on the cupsys in #ubuntu+1
[12:12] <_StefanS_> eh
[12:12] <_StefanS_> not/note
[12:12] <kwwii> _StefanS_: luckily I rarely print, and never from linux
[12:13] <kwwii> but it prevented me from updating my kmail and for the last several hours I had no email
[12:13] <kwwii> which sucks when you work from home
[12:13] <_StefanS_> the hda_intel kernel module, which package is it in? or what is that command for looking it up.
[12:14] <_StefanS_> linux-ubuntu-modules-* ?
[12:15] <Riddell> Nightrose: amarok2 2.0.0~svn693037-0ubuntu2 was ACCEPTED   hooray
[12:16] <Riddell> kwwii: but what broke about the version upgrade?
[12:17] <stdin> Riddell: I couldn't get amarok to build in pbuilder when I tried, http://www.stdin.me.uk/build.log
[12:18] <Nightrose> Riddell: groovy ;-)
[12:18] <kwwii> Riddell: apparently it went well, but without updating directly after the system is pretty b0rked
[12:19] <kwwii> one thing I noticed is that my ksplash wallpaper did not get updated
[12:19] <kwwii> and kmail simply did not work with any POP accounts
[12:19] <Riddell> kwwii: it obviously didn't go well if you didn't end up with an up to date system
[12:20] <kwwii> power manager still seems to have problems
[12:20] <kwwii> power manager just died, actually
[12:20] <kwwii> Riddell: hrm, I did not see any notices after the version upgrade
[12:20] <kwwii> it rebooted and then I saw that there were several hundred updates to packages
[12:21] <kwwii> after deselecting cups I finally got to install those and things seem to work a bit better now
[12:22] <kwwii> how does one restart power manager?
[12:23] <kwwii> and how does one turn on compositing now?
[12:25] <Riddell> kwwii: so the dist upgrade tool (small window, not adept) spent a couple of hours downloading and installing the new gutsy packages?
[12:26] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, and then it rebooted the system
[12:26] <kwwii> it spent like 4 hours downloading, etc
[12:27] <Riddell> and it ended by telling you to reboot?
[12:27] <kwwii> yepp
[12:27] <kwwii> it rebooted my machine itself, iirc
[12:28] <Riddell> I don't think it should do that
[12:28] <Riddell> looks like your cups bug has been fixed this morning though https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/149106
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Fix released] 
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well, it seems like I've been given the honors of creating the knm 0.2.1 official package, I will probably have it done this weekend
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are we out of time then?
[12:31] <kwwii> Riddell: the only outstanding problem that I can see is that the ksplash bg is still the wallpaper from feisty
[12:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, it really needs done today
[12:31] <_StefanS_> argh
[12:33] <Riddell> kwwii: what version of ksmserver do you have installed?  (apt-cache policy ksmserver)
[12:33] <kwwii> Riddell: Installed: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu27
[12:34] <Riddell> kwwii: ok, your bug should be fixed in ubuntu28
[12:34] <Riddell> kwwii: when that appears upgrade to it and log into kde again and let me know if the ksplash has been fixed
[12:35] <kwwii> Riddell: will do
[12:35] <kwwii> although adept-manager seems to spend for ever fetching updates
[12:36] <kwwii> in fact, it just showed an error getting http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release.gpg
[12:44] <kwwii> lol, running it again it finishes fetching but the cups pacakges do not seem to want to install
[12:46] <kwwii> feels like a server problem to me
[01:12] <kwwii> so is there some way to enable compiz in kde?
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: not really, only compiz --replace
[01:25] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, thanks
[01:28] <Riddell> anyone ever used kdelirc ?
[03:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if the 0.2 version of knetworkmanager is named like this "knetworkmanager-0.2ubuntu1" , how would you name 0.2.1 ?
[03:36] <Riddell> knetworkmanager-0.2.1ubuntu1
[03:36] <Riddell> err, hmm
[03:36] <_StefanS_> ubuntu1 ?
[03:36] <_StefanS_> isnt that ubuntu0 then
[03:36] <Riddell> yes, there's something we do to the upstream version
[03:36] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[03:36] <Riddell> I can't remember what that is, but that's why we have ubuntu1 on the end
[03:36] <_StefanS_> ok fine, are these "rules" written somewhere?
[03:36] <_StefanS_> would be nice to be able to look it up from time to time
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:47] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:08] <Jucato> hi nixternal
[04:09] <nixternal> howdy...that was odd...my server just shut itself off, or the power flickered this morning, about 4 hours ago
[04:10] <Jucato> gRemlins I tell you!
[04:10] <nixternal> heh
[04:10] <Jucato> looks like I do need a visa even for a few days' stay in the US. a vistor's visa... one that would take a year to process :)
[04:10] <Jucato> so that severely dashes in hope at all :)
[04:15] <Jucato> anyone else have duplicate entries of KNotes (Office and Utilities) and Groupware Wizard (Internet and Office)?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> knotes yes, no instances of g w
[04:15] <nixternal> yup
[04:15] <nixternal> same with Kontact
[04:15] <nixternal> Internet and Office
[04:15] <Jucato> ok. thought I was going krazy again..
[04:16] <nixternal> again? when did you going krazy ever stop to begin with? :p
[04:16] <Jucato> when I'm asleep :P
[04:16] <nixternal> haha
[04:16] <Jucato> then I go grazy :)
[04:17] <Jucato> KDE & Kubuntu is getting bad for my health... I've had dreams this week that involved those two...
[04:17] <nixternal> omg, so did I
[04:17] <Jucato> lol!!!
[04:17] <nixternal> dude, I had a dream the other night that I lost all of my email
[04:17] <nixternal> I woke up and ran to my computer
[04:17] <Jucato> wait. hm.. can't recall if that time you were there :)
[04:17] <nixternal> skipped coffee and the bathroom
[04:18] <Jucato> hahaha :)
[04:18] <nixternal> haha
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  no, not really
[04:18] <Jucato> :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> just which section of the world i'm going to take over next
[04:18] <nixternal> muhehe
[04:19] <Jucato> kool!
[04:19] <Jucato> hey! just reserve a Kontinent for me will you?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i dont do much on LP, as such
[04:19] <Jucato> a Kountry would be ok though...
[04:19] <Hobbsee> someoen wanted new zealand.  you can have another if you wish
[04:19] <Jucato> ah new zealand... first country to be annihalated in that movie..
[04:20] <nixternal> I thought Adept was supposed to tell you to reboot when you did any updates to system files...mine has never done that
[04:20] <Jucato> it did when I upgraded the kernel. once
[04:20] <nixternal> then again, I have just started using it because if I use apt-get, it tends to freeze on me
[04:21] <Jucato> the notifier is supposed to change to a different icon
[04:21] <Hobbsee> apt-get freezing?
[04:24] <claydoh> Jucato: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/tempvisitors_wait.php
[04:26] <Jucato> claydoh: Visitors Visas: 23 Days translates to [indefinite]  in Philippine time :)
[04:43] <claydoh> Jucato: well that sucks I guess :(
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato :)
[04:49] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[04:49] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[04:49] <Jucato> fine I guess
[05:14] <nixternal> hey, has anyone gotten our beta package to have a proper kicker with kmenu?
[05:15] <nixternal> I haven't tried in a while and I have to give a KDE 4 talk tomorrow
[05:15] <Jucato> there was no kmenu in beta2 at all
[05:16] <Jucato> and the panel only has contents if you compiled and installed playground/base/plasma
[05:17] <nixternal> lovely
[05:18] <Jucato> let's hope that beta3 will come with a menu and a panel this time, even if the menu is the kickoff port
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Argh kickoff!!
[05:19] <Jucato> better than nothing
[05:22] <DaSkreech> OK going home
[05:22] <DaSkreech> see you soon
[05:24] <jpatrick> anyone know what I'm doing wrong? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/726846
[05:26] <nixternal> doesn't seem to be a make all
[05:26] <nixternal> time for school...back in a bit
[05:28] <Jucato> bye java voy
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Again not sure if it's me but Konqueror and KHTML parts don'[t update
[07:31] <sahin_h> I don't know who did the fix, but ksplash works well now in xinerana environment!
[07:31] <sahin_h> I mean in Gutsy!
[07:31] <sahin_h> So thanks!
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Welcome!
[07:33] <sahin_h> Is the automatic printer config will be available in kubuntu gutsy too?
[07:33] <sahin_h> Or maybe in the future version?
[07:35] <Riddell> not gutsy
[07:35] <Riddell> hopefully future versions
[07:36] <sahin_h> Ok. However configure the printer by hand is not a big deal. By the way it works for me.
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Froze again
[10:34] <DaSkreech>  same reason
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: what is tomorrow?
[10:36] <nixternal> a pretty big Install Fest at the University of Illinois...I have been slated to do another KDE 4 talk
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> ah... lucky you
[10:44] <nixternal> http://www.mikesplanet.net/2007/10/the-vista-commerical-you-will-want-to-see/
[10:44] <nixternal> errr
[10:44] <nixternal> OK, I pasted that in one channel and it showed up here as well
[10:44] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Anyone having crashed from the toolbar tooltips?
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: traitor... you aren't using konversation
[10:46] <ScottK> nixternal: http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2007/10/marketing-koan
[10:55] <nixternal> I haven't used Konversation in over a year...I had to go back to irssi...I was tired of the /autowho floods, and the fact it never played nice with the irssi proxy or bip
[10:56] <nixternal> hahah, Zen and the art of of moving product...classic
[10:56] <ScottK> nixternal: I figured you'd like it.  Marketing and Vista both in one comic.