[12:40] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: pretty much anything can be opened in konqueror... but no, I don't think there is. You can set MIMe type binding to apps in system settings though.
[12:40] <MS-Suse> where can i find out how to read growisofs output?
[12:40] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I'm getting to the point where I don't even want to touch konqueror unfortunately
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: lol
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: do yourself a favor and install firefox..please...
[12:41] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: ohh I did
[12:41] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I'm not sure how I feel about dolphin either. navigation outside /home is *not* intuitive at all.
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: Yeah, I know... I wish it has an up arrow.
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> *had
[12:42] <Zelut> nosrednaekim:  the only way I've found to do it is ctrl-l and manually put in the location
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> really... justa  sec
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: can't you just click the root folder on the left?
[12:44] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: well that does work but I assumed that was root's folder
[12:44] <nosrednaekim> :)
[12:44] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: and the different color makes it seem "different", like the root user would be
[12:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> ok... next :)
[12:47] <dude> hello everyone
[12:47] <dude> I am on gutsy and am trying to do an apt-get upgrade and I get an error
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> hello dude
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> dude: there is nothing above gutsy....
[12:47] <dude> Preparing to replace cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu1 (using .../cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
[12:47] <dude>  * Stopping Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ OK ] 
[12:47] <dude> Unpacking replacement cupsys ...
[12:47] <dude> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:47] <dude>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[12:47] <dude> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[12:47] <dude>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ OK ] 
[12:47] <dude> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:47] <dude>  /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> that just sounds soo condecending ;)
[12:48] <dude> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:48] <Zelut> dude: yeah, that's been reported
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> dude: known bug i'm happy to say
[12:48] <dude> i figured so much
[12:48] <dude> ok
[12:48] <dude> great
[12:48] <Zelut> dude: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/149106
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> dude: and support for gutsy is officaily on #ubuntu+1
[12:48] <dude> should i just wait?
[12:48] <Zelut> dude: workaround listed there.
[12:48] <dude> ok great
[12:48] <dude> thanks so much guys
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> YW
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: I never heard of it before.. on forums they just paste.
[12:50] <dude> sorry about not using pastebin
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: do you have any other problems/questions?
[12:50] <Zelut> pastebin and tinyurl ftw
[12:52] <code_x> hello have unixodbc installed, and now that iam trying to installing the perl module DBD::ODBC it returns an error saying i don't have a ODBC manager install.can anyone help me ?
[12:52] <code_x> *an ODBC driver manager
[12:53] <garette> Can any one help me in using kbfx
[12:53] <garette> never used it before
[12:53] <garette> but want to use it
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> garette: sorry, I havent either
[12:54] <garette> :(
[12:54] <MS-Suse> where can i find out how to read growisofs output?
[12:54] <garette> That looks really cool than the typical kde menu
[12:54] <code_x> can no one help me with my question ?
[12:54] <garette> I thought there might be many people here using it :) but :(
[12:55] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I'm sure I have a few more but I'll have to get back to you. brb
[12:56] <garette> what one earth there is no one who uses that damn cool menu instead kde default menu which looks so weird!!c :-X
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: K, i'm not always around though. Talk to Jucato or BluesKaj, they're pretty good :)
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> !kbfx
[12:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbfx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> garette: just try googleing it...i'm sure there is a tutorial
[12:57] <garette> well lemme do that :)
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> :D
[12:59] <citrusflavord> will apt-get installing the kde desktop install all of the KDE libs?
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> citrusflavord: yeah.. it should
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> citrusflavord: if you want KDE itself, I suggest kubuntu-desktop though.
[01:02] <citrusflavord> nosrednaekim im going to trying installing KDE to ubuntu server to have a better grasp of the file system
[01:02] <citrusflavord> nosrednaekim although installing x-org is really annoying
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> citrusflavord: oh..ok.
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> how so?
[01:03] <Lunar_Lamp> !gimp
[01:03] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[01:04] <Minataku> Hm
[01:04] <Minataku> Where is Dr_Willis >.>
[01:04] <citrusflavord> x-org config takes ages and I dont know what half the stuff means D:
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> citrusflavord: ah
[01:05] <truth> anyone know how to open MS Word 2007 file (.docx) on kubuntu?
[01:05] <luis> hola a todos
[01:06] <luis> tengo una par de preguntas acerda de kubuntu
[01:06] <luis> alguien que pueda ayudarme?
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> truth: you have to load MS office in a virtual machine
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> !es
[01:06] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:06] <wii> Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :D
[01:06] <luis> hi everybody
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> hi luis
[01:06] <luis> I have a couple of cuestions about kubuntu, anyone would be willing to help :)
[01:07] <wii> hi! hi!
[01:07] <citrusflavord> does open office not take .docx?
[01:07] <luis> hello :D
[01:07] <truth> nope....
[01:07] <wii> !ask | luis
[01:07] <ubotu> luis: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:07] <luis> ok , first
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> citrusflavord: nope... I don't think so. Not yet
[01:08] <citrusflavord> wii can I ask a question about asking questions?
[01:08] <wii> citrusflavord: o_O
[01:08] <luis> I lower the resolution of my monitor using the nvidia software... but every time I reboot , the monitor resolution has been changed to full resolution again
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> truth: maybe there is a converter though..
[01:09] <luis> how do I set my current resolution to stay the way I want it?
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> luis: change it in system settings
[01:09] <truth> hopefully
[01:09] <wii> Tm_T: luis got problems whit his resolution thingy
[01:09] <luis> where? I'm a total newbie
[01:09] <wii> luis: Mii to i'm a noob :D
[01:10] <luis> yea, a real noob
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> luis: system settings-> monitor and display
[01:10] <luis> let me see, I believe I had tried that
[01:10] <Lunar_Lamp> Er, what is the gimp package? I can't seem to install gimo.
[01:11] <luis> I have no "monitor and display options"
[01:11] <wii> nosrednaekim: when he change to reso i change back.dont u people listen to what others does say? :/
[01:11] <wii> >_<
[01:12] <elpez> !envy
[01:12] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[01:12] <luis> to set the resolutions I go to nvida settings , I have installed the nvidia drivers... but everytime I reboot, the resolution changes again
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> luis: are you running compiz or beryl?
[01:12] <wii> luis: it happen to me once i just keep playing whit the reso untill it stayed
[01:12] <luis> nosrednaekim... I have no idea, just standard kubuntu
[01:12] <elpez> is it a bad idea to use envy on kubuntu feisty?
[01:13] <wii> lol compiz
[01:13] <wii> :D
[01:13] <wii> u people crack me up :D
[01:13] <wii> wiiiiiiiiiiii
[01:13] <luis> what's compiz mike?
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> elpez: yeah.
[01:13] <wii> stdin: hi
[01:13] <wii> oh wrong person
[01:13] <wii> :D
[01:14] <truth> ok for future reference with .docx files, you can simply change the extension to .zip, open it, and the document.xml will be the contents.
[01:14] <elpez> nosrednakim: which dirver would you recommend, then? nvidia-glx ?
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> luis: oh.. ok. you have NO options in there? I have the ability to set my resolution
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> truth: lol..and you can read it?
[01:14] <elpez> nosrednaekim: which dirver would you recommend, then? nvidia-glx ?
[01:14] <truth> yep
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> elpez: yeah.
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> !compiz | luis
[01:14] <ubotu> luis: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:15] <truth> microsoft is so clever... wowzers
[01:15] <wii> truth: why u said that?
[01:15] <truth> sarcasm....
[01:16] <Tm_T> wii: er?
[01:16] <wii> i just love linux when i downloading
[01:16] <wii> :)
[01:17] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: here's another one for you.
[01:17] <wii> coreymon77: o.Ono habla english o.O
[01:17] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I'm trying to add another panel and then edit its size to match the custom I've done for the first.
[01:17] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: right-click, configure panel for the second edits the first.
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: umm humm...
[01:17] <wii> Tm_T: wii?
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: at the top, there whould be a drop-down list to select the panel.
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> *should
[01:18] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: at the top of..
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: of the size configuration dialog.
[01:19] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I don't see anything..
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> ah... I forgot. you have to log out and then log back in so that KDE can see that you have added an extra panel (I think)
[01:21] <kork_> can anyone help me?  i can see my wireless network with iwlist eth1 scanning but cant connect with Knetworkmanager
[01:21] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: ...I'll try
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> let me check that.
[01:22] <kork_> under the routes tab in knetworkmanager, is my default gateway the IP of my router?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: yup.. restart kde.
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> pain I know...
[01:28] <kork_> anyone know where i can go to talk to someone about using knetwork manager? my comp sees my card and i can iwlist eth1 scan and get cells
[01:28] <luis> well I can use the nvidia driver to set the resolution I want, but the thing is, that even after I pres a button that reads "save to x configuration file" after rebooting the resolution is back to full
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> kork_: yeah..knetworkmanager is a pain.
[01:29] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: yeah, that worked. would never have guessed that.
[01:29] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: yeah... that's a weird little thing that you just pick up ;)
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: I have to run... have fun
[01:31] <luis> anyone knows where the nvidia configuration file is?
[01:33] <BluesKaj> luis, X won't save the config file if the settings are out of range for your monitor as well , check to se if your monitor is in the configure list in system settings/monitor & display
[01:34] <MS-Suse> can growisofs resume interrupted burns?
[01:34] <luis> in system settings there's no option for monitor & dsplay
[01:34] <luis> what I'm trying to do is to lower my screen resolution
[01:35] <BluesKaj> Linus___________, lose the _________ pls ...no need for it
[01:35] <citrusflavord> what os / kde are you on luis?
[01:36] <luis> le me see... where can I find that?
[01:36] <BluesKaj> yes , but if your X setting is taking precedence over the monitor then you must config the monitor to make X follow the monitor driver ranges
[01:37] <luis> ok.. how can I do that?
[01:39] <citrusflavord> ls /etc/X11//xorg.conf
[01:39] <BluesKaj> luis, k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware-tab/admin mode/monitor/configure. Find your monitor in the list and "apply" , if possible.Click "test". If all is well, logout and back in again
[01:39] <luis> I can't find an option, "monitor and display" among the options  for system settings
[01:40] <BluesKaj> what kubuntu version are you running ?
[01:40] <citrusflavord> BluesKaj: cant he just reconf xorg and only set it for 1 range?
[01:40] <luis> don't know :) a friend came and installed it
[01:40] <BluesKaj> citrusflavord, kinda dangerous
[01:40] <citrusflavord> BluesKaj: I live on the edge
[01:41] <luis> but I would prefer something less ...quirurgical
[01:41] <luis> :)
[01:41] <citrusflavord> luis sounds like something i would do to my friends
[01:42] <BluesKaj> luis , in the konsole type: lsb_release -a
[01:42] <luis> ok
[01:43] <luis> release 7.04 festy
[01:43] <luis> ubuntu 7.04 feisty
[01:43] <BluesKaj> in the k-menu , do you see system settings , open it
[01:43] <citrusflavord> its all about the 7.10 over here baby :D
[01:44] <BluesKaj> citrusflavord, yeah just upgraded
[01:44] <luis> I have... done that, but then among the system settings ...there's no option for monitor & display
[01:45] <luis> ok how can I upgrade to 7.1?
[01:45] <citrusflavord> blueskaj im farly new to linux, just started this summer, but already like KDE more then gnome :D
[01:46] <george__> how do u get steam to work right one kubuntu?
[01:48] <citrusflavord> blueskaj will installing kde via apt install kde4?
[01:48] <BluesKaj> nope, citrusflavord
[01:49] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?
[01:49] <BluesKaj> !info kde4
[01:49] <ubotu> Package kde4 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:49] <citrusflavord> kde 4 is out right?
[01:49] <BluesKaj> yup,the beta
[01:50] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?
[01:50] <citrusflavord> i see the "second" bete came out not the real deal
[01:50] <BluesKaj> luis are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[01:51] <citrusflavord> luis is the color scheme blue or mroe brown
[01:51] <citrusflavord> more*
[01:52] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?
[01:54] <Agent_bob> ok.  i know how to setup many cards on many networks,  now   howto setup many cards on one network ???
[01:55] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?
[01:55] <BluesKaj> !patience | jMerliNz
[01:55] <ubotu> jMerliNz: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:56] <Agent_bob> the problem that i seem to face is that if more than one card are on the same network  then every reply to that network is to one card  and that simply doesn't work.
[01:56] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?
[01:57] <Agent_bob> yes there is.
[01:57] <citrusflavord> Agent_bob: when people ask questions like that it reminds me how little, for such a geek, i know about computers
[01:57] <Agent_bob> citrusflavord heh.   ok.
[01:58] <citrusflavord> Agent_bob: im proablly totally misnderstanding what you are saying, but what kind of network are you building. like hub, ring , etc
[01:59] <Agent_bob> citrusflavord i wouldn't know the differance.    jsut trying to learn.  that's all
[02:00] <Agent_bob> i think chain would more describe it.
[02:00] <citrusflavord> what is it for
[02:01] <luis> ok ok, I have another question...
[02:02] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?  If so, how?
[02:02] <luis> I have an onboard sound card... and besides a proper... sound card, for some reason  from time to time when I boot kubuntu decides to use the on board card
[02:02] <luis> how can I set the sound card I want as the only usable sound card?
[02:03] <citrusflavord> you have multiple sound cards?
[02:03] <jMerliNz> citrusflavord: i do as well, I have an x-fi creative card
[02:03] <jMerliNz> but, well.. naturally.. in linux it kindof .. is useless :>
[02:03] <jMerliNz> so i have to use onboard -.-
[02:03] <Agent_bob> citrus here's a simple diagram of what kind of thing i'm talking about...   world---modem-box0-eth---hub---eth0-box1-eth1---eth0-box2-eth1---switch2---****
[02:03] <citrusflavord> lol sweet
[02:04] <jMerliNz> maybe i'll run vmware with a windows XP install to play music on my SB
[02:04] <jMerliNz> lol
[02:04] <BluesKaj> jMerliNz, have you tried google-linux , cuz i found this in 1min : http://linuxgazette.net/109/lg_tips.html
[02:05] <Agent_bob> it's actually more complicated than that but it's hard to diagram forks on a single line
[02:05] <citrusflavord> is there a release date for KDE4? ima go check
[02:05] <Agent_bob> 3D/2D thing ya know
[02:06] <kinkajou> hey guys when installing my ati video drivers with " sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.40.4.run" its says cannont open file... anyone with some help plz ^_^
[02:06] <BluesKaj> citrusflavord, no official date yet
[02:07] <BluesKaj> kinkajou, have you uninstalled your old fglrx driver?
[02:07] <Agent_bob> but the thing is  if i make the bcast ==  for eth0 and eth1 on a give box then i can only communicate with one side of that box  the other half of the network is unaccessable
[02:07] <kinkajou> umm dik XD
[02:07] <kinkajou> idk*
[02:07] <citrusflavord> december 11 = kde4 > mycompter.theplan
[02:08] <kinkajou> how would i kno if i did, or how would i do that
[02:08] <BluesKaj> kinkajou, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[02:08] <kinkajou> ?
[02:08] <citrusflavord> KDE 4 will be a major revision of KDE, based on the version 4 series of Qt. Its release date has been scheduled for December 11, 2007. On August 18, 2006, a minimal technical preview of KDE4, KDE 3.80.1 was released
[02:08] <jMerliNz> is there any way to lower the mouse acceleration below 1.0x?  If so, how?
[02:08] <kinkajou> and what does this do/why do i need to do it?
[02:08] <Agent_bob> kinkajou use tab completion ?
[02:09] <BluesKaj> jMerliNz - what a jerk
[02:09] <kinkajou> idk iam a total noob
[02:09] <kinkajou> =P
[02:09] <Agent_bob> !tab
[02:09] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[02:09] <Agent_bob> use the force luke
[02:09] <citrusflavord> also it idents paragraphs
[02:09] <BluesKaj> kinkajou, you must uninstall the old ati-fglrx driver first
[02:10] <citrusflavord> indents*
[02:10] <kinkajou> with that link you sent?
[02:10] <kinkajou> right?
[02:10] <BluesKaj> follow the uninstall instructions on the page i just posted above
[02:10] <kinkajou> when i type "gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" i get
[02:10] <kinkajou> The program 'gksu' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[02:10] <kinkajou> sudo apt-get install gksu
[02:10] <kinkajou> bash: gksu: command not found
[02:11] <kinkajou> 'gksu' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[02:11] <kinkajou> sudo apt-get install gksu
[02:11] <kinkajou> for the first part
[02:11] <Agent_bob> no
[02:11] <Agent_bob> kdesu
[02:11] <Agent_bob> gksu is for gnome's
[02:12] <kinkajou> Failed to open device
[02:12] <kinkajou> sh:
[02:12] <kinkajou> gedit: not found
[02:12] <kinkajou> ...
[02:12] <Agent_bob> kate
[02:12] <kinkajou> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[02:12] <kinkajou>   Major opcode:  146
[02:12] <kinkajou>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:12] <kinkajou>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:12] <Agent_bob> if it starts with 'G' it's probably bnomish
[02:12] <Agent_bob> gnomish
[02:13] <Agent_bob> and that's expected.   it's the wacom devices in the xorg.conf
[02:13] <Agent_bob> that error is not an error
[02:13] <Agent_bob> it's intentional via the ubuntu team
[02:14] <citrusflavord> koffice vrs open office. disscuse
[02:14] <Agent_bob> so no networking guru's around,,,,   not even jucato ?
[02:14] <Agent_bob> citrusflavord #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:15] <kinkajou> iam so confused
[02:15] <kinkajou> >.<
[02:17] <BluesKaj> kinkajou, no try this one instead then : https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html
[02:18] <kinkajou> i was using that but right at number 2 of automatic driver installation i couldnt open the fole...
[02:18] <Agent_bob> bot attack
[02:19] <Agent_bob> !ops | bot attack
[02:19] <ubotu> bot attack: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[02:19] <gnomefreak> in here?
[02:19] <Agent_bob> yes
[02:19] <Dragnslcr> Looks like it's just a netsplit to me
[02:19] <BluesKaj> kinkajou, Automatic or Custom Driver Installations
[02:19] <gnomefreak> eh they are being klined afaik
[02:19] <nalioth> Agent_bob: yes, we know
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Dragnslcr: its bots
[02:19] <nalioth> it's happening in #ubuntu
[02:20] <kinkajou> automatic
[02:20] <Agent_bob> nope.    : #kubuntu (Excess Flood   <<<  not net split.  and not on the same server either.
[02:20] <GuHHH> yeah
[02:20] <kinkajou> by the first picture lol
[02:20] <GuHHH> i saw it
[02:20] <Agent_bob> nalioth k.
[02:20] <elpez> is there a command to restart usb drivers without restarting the whole machine?
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, just saw all the messages in #ubuntu
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[02:23] <GuHHH> Agent_bob: that was strange
[02:24] <Agent_bob> GuHHH sorry.   i didn't do it...  </shrugs>
[02:24] <GuHHH> Agent_bob: what?
[02:25] <Agent_bob> just reported what i saw.
[02:27] <elpez> hello?
[02:27] <BluesKaj> ppl will slowly come back
[02:28] <BluesKaj> !hello elpez
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello elpez - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:28] <elpez> is there a command to restart the usb drivers but not the computer?
[02:28] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:29] <BluesKaj> elpez, are they listed in /media?
[02:29] <elpez> well no... i actually want it for the webcam
[02:29] <elpez> ekiga sometimes makes it work fine but sometimes it screws up
[02:30] <|TroubleMaker|> having a grub problem, just installed a new 500 gig hd and installed kubuntu and when i try to boot i get a grub 18 error. suggestions?
[02:31] <Agent_bob> if i have some gateway boxen like,   world---modem-(gw0)box0-eth---hub---eth0-(gw1)box1-eth1---eth0-(gw2)box2-eth1---switch2---****    and hub is in the 174.* net but switch2 is in the 192.* class   is there any way i can make box1 do 192 on both cards ?   the reason is that sometimes boxen get moved to the other side of the complex and thus other a class  nothing using hdcp.  so...  ???
[02:31] <glenn> Hey, I have a question about connecting to my wireless network off of Kubuntu
[02:31] <Agent_bob> but the thing is  if i make the bcast ==  for eth0 and eth1 on a give box then i can only communicate with one side of that box  the other half of the network is unaccessable
[02:32] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|, windows is on the drive too ?
[02:32] <|TroubleMaker|> no
[02:32] <|TroubleMaker|> single boot
[02:33] <Agent_bob> one shoe boxen :)
[02:34] <fawx> is there like a games channel?
[02:34] <Agent_bob> maybe this isn't the place for this...
[02:34] <Agent_bob> !games
[02:34] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[02:35] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|, do you get any grub menu at all , even if you hit the esc key after the memtest
[02:35] <|TroubleMaker|> the same klive cd instalecd flawless on the 20 gig drive i removed
[02:35] <|TroubleMaker|> i didnt try esc
[02:35] <deusexmachina> is there a way to install an older dist i have gutsy but its too buggy and i can use feisty's live cd because of x server issues on install any ideas?
[02:35] <fawx> i take it ubot is a bot..
[02:36] <|TroubleMaker|> i see  grub loading 1.5 then grub loading please wait then error 18
[02:36] <justin__> how do i shut down x server to install a driver?
[02:36] <Agent_bob> deusexmachina dapper  alternate install cd
[02:36] <Agent_bob> justin__ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[02:37] <Agent_bob> justin__ to restart it    s/stop/start/
[02:39] <fawx> weird..
[02:39] <|TroubleMaker|> BluesKaj, esc does not pull a menu
[02:40] <Agent_bob> !grub | |TroubleMaker|
[02:40] <ubotu> |TroubleMaker|: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:41] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|, when booting up , ctrl+alt+F2 and at the prompt : sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst .scroll down til you find hiddenmenu..type # in front of hiddenmenu.
[02:42] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|, then exit and save
[02:43] <Agent_bob> .abo.wanadoo.fr
[02:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, the flooder
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: back.
[02:44] <justin__> ok so i installed my video drivers.. now why can't I increase my resolution beyond 1024x768 -.-
[02:44] <BluesKaj> howdy
[02:44] <justin__> it's hurting my eyes it's so big
[02:44] <aguitel> wich is linux os look like vista?
[02:45] <|TroubleMaker|> BluesKaj, no joy
[02:45] <tyler_> Where can I report a Gutsy bug? I have been looking forward to the new kernal because it should recognize blank dvds, but it doesn't.
[02:45] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|, do you have access to the /boot/grub/menu.lst from where you are?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> !bugs
[02:45] <justin__> ok so i installed my video drivers.. now why can't I increase my resolution beyond 1024x768 -.-
[02:45] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:46] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|,if so pastebin it for us
[02:46] <justin__> !resolution
[02:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:46] <|TroubleMaker|> BluesKaj, aparently not, i havent been able to get it to boot so not able to see the hard drive....might could try to mount the drive to a live cd boot
[02:47] <justin__> !mouse
[02:47] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[02:47] <Agent_bob> !grub | |TroubleMaker| i think you could follow the recover after install  link here
[02:47] <ubotu> |TroubleMaker| i think you could follow the recover after install  link here: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:48] <BluesKaj> |TroubleMaker|, have you heard of the " ..it's mighty handy
[02:48] <BluesKaj> Super Grub Disk "
[02:48] <|TroubleMaker|> have not heard of it
[02:49] <ubuntu__> hi
[02:49] <BluesKaj> it'll help solve yer grub prob ...live cd
[02:49] <ubuntu__> hi all
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> hi ubuntu__
[02:49] <ubuntu__> i need help
[02:49] <ubuntu__> anyone speak spanish?
[02:50] <ubuntu__> pm pls
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> !es
[02:50] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:50] <ubuntu__> ok thx
[02:53] <ubuntu__> i need the ports of server kubuntu.es
[02:54] <Agent_bob> 6667   ?
[02:55] <|TroubleMaker|> ubuntu__, type /join #kubuntu-es
[02:55] <Agent_bob> ubuntu__ type  /join #kubuntu-es
[02:55] <Agent_bob> heheh |TroubleMaker|
[02:55] <Agent_bob> so i'm slow.
[02:56] <hoens> I don't have any adept managers open but it still saysthat I can't modify anything. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[02:57] <Agent_bob> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:57] <hoens> what does that do Agent_bob?
[02:58] <Agent_bob> idk
[02:58] <timbo__> hi
[02:58] <ubuntu__> no me puedo conectar xd
[02:59] <timbo__> does anyone else in here have an acer laptop?
[02:59] <fuzzyhair> I do
[02:59] <fuzzyhair> what model do you have?
[02:59] <timbo__> did you get your multimedia keys to work?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> timbo__: what model?
[02:59] <timbo__> without the fn key
[02:59] <timbo__> acer aspire 5610z
[03:00] <fuzzyhair> I have a 3680. All work for me except volume, which I have to change with the surround slider in th emixer
[03:00] <fuzzyhair> the mixer*
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> timbo__: when you define a shortcut, make sure you click the advanced button and click " mulitple keys"
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> and then press your Fn+key
[03:01] <timbo__> humm ill have to check it out.  I have only been on *buntu for about a week, before that it was sabayon
[03:01] <timbo__> My laptop runs so much faster with buntu though
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> timbo__: notice that little trick will only work with kubuntu though... not sure how ubuntu/GNOME does it
[03:02] <timbo__> yeah i did
[03:02] <timbo__> I'm on kde, sorry i dont like gnome
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> neither do I... say "kubuntu" so we know you are a KDE freak tho ;)
[03:02] <timbo__> ok lol
[03:03] <Agent_bob> that's why i always say *buntu nosrednaekim  :)
[03:03] <timbo__> i have gotten a lot of grief for using kde over Gnome,  Gnome remindes me of the 90's so i dont use it lopl
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> timbo__: you won'tfind greif here :)
[03:03] <timbo__> I have noticed that in the forums
[03:04] <timbo__> Kubuntu and ubuntu seems to have a nicer atmosphere than several of the other dristo's
[03:04] <timbo__> distro's*
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:04] <Agent_bob> gnome support -vs- kde support in ubuntu is like 4:1  so no wonder.
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> tho we do have our flamefests ;)
[03:05] <fuzzyhair> The main reason I am using Kubuntu is for Amarok. Everything else runs equally, so why not?
[03:05] <fuzzyhair> +it's beautiful
[03:05] <jim> I have a question about memory, when I first boot into Kbuntu KDE System Guard says I'm using 400 MB of 503 MB, htop says I'm using 167 MB of 503 MB. Why the discrepancy? Is it normal to use so much before opening anything (except the two sytem monitors I mentioned)?
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> yalp.. amarok is THE killer app
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> jim: the first includes cache and buffers, the second only counts RAM used as RAM
[03:06] <Agent_bob> jim in toronto konsole command    free -m   note that two lines are give for the ram  one with the buffers and cash one without
[03:08] <jim> Thanks this makes more sense. And does this memory use seem normal?
[03:09] <Agent_bob> yes
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> jim: thats really good
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> i'm using 378MB
[03:09] <fawx> ummm...is there a way 2 use flash player
[03:09] <Agent_bob> if you had 2G ksysguard would show about 95% used
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[03:09] <fawx> on kubuntu
[03:09] <jim> Ok just sometimes my machine locks up and trying to sort out why?
[03:09] <timbo__> flashplayer 9?
[03:09] <fawx> yes
[03:10] <Agent_bob> !flash
[03:10] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:10] <timbo__> nice
[03:10] <fawx> i have feistyshould i run it through wine
[03:10] <timbo__> I like nice botz
[03:10] <fawx> lol
[03:11] <Agent_bob> mem.sh http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39986
[03:12] <jim> One other question. I'm running a P4 so SMP, htop shows 2 cpus and ksysguard only 1, is that 1 an average of the 2?
[03:12] <Juacom99> can anyoen plese help me find a page to download onboard video card drivers plese
[03:13] <Agent_bob> Juacom99 i don't think you'll find an "onboard" driver.  hehhe   what chipset ?    lspci or lshw can reviel that.
[03:14] <Juacom99> [Sis] 696
[03:14] <Juacom99> or something like that
[03:14] <Agent_bob> ah sis should be already there.
[03:14] <Juacom99> there where??
[03:14] <ubuntu__> !grub
[03:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:15] <Agent_bob> grep sis /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:15] <fuzzyhair> I had Ubuntu Gutsy, and installed Kubuntu-desktop. Now I have some left over programs. Will autoremove do the trick?
[03:15] <Juacom99> i wtite that??
[03:15] <Agent_bob> yes it will look for the driver in the config file
[03:15] <Juacom99>         Driver          "sis"
[03:15] <Juacom99> it returm me this
[03:16] <Agent_bob> yep you are using the sis driver already.
[03:16] <Agent_bob> so what's the problem ?
[03:16] <Juacom99> i'm tering to play a game
[03:16] <Agent_bob> ah no 3D accel   right.
[03:16] <Juacom99> and i'm getting a error message when i  ejecute it
[03:16] <Juacom99> right
[03:17] <Agent_bob> i don't think i can help with that.
[03:17] <Agent_bob> maybe someone else can.
[03:18] <Juacom99> i try almost everything :S
[03:18] <Agent_bob> but it's not very likely.    i don't think that chipset does hardware 3D period
[03:19] <Agent_bob> someone spanke me if i'm wrong,  but that's what i came to for a conclusion.
[03:20] <timbo__> I think my aunts emachine has sis
[03:21] <Agent_bob> Juacom99  also of note,  if you start to add a card,   ati is not as well supported at this time as nvidia,   just a thought.
[03:22] <timbo__> I have an ati all inwonder x600 and even microcrap vista dont utilize it, makes me wish i would of spend 200 bucks on nvidia now :((
[03:24] <Agent_bob> oh lets not be mean.  it's not microcrap.  just plain M$ will do...
[03:24] <Agent_bob> :)
[03:25] <killermach> Agent_bob: and microcrap would denote tiny amount  of feces  and that's just not true
[03:26] <Agent_bob> i have an nvidia that would do 3d if i could find a driver for it.  ubuntu and nvidia just doesn't support it anymore.
[03:26] <Agent_bob> killermach prezactly.
[03:26] <jim> when doing an apt-get upgrade why are these packages being held back ie. The following packages have been kept back: linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[03:26] <killermach> don't buy vista, wait 2 years. then try vista.. let someone else work the bugs and unsightliness out of any new OS
[03:26] <Agent_bob> jim cause you didn't do   dist-upgraded
[03:26] <timbo__> point is that i bought this expensive card and the only os that i can use it with is xp
[03:26] <Agent_bob> jim cause you didn't do   dist-upgrade
[03:27] <timbo__> Oh well time for a new puter anyways
[03:27] <timbo__> Vista came with my laptop
[03:27] <Agent_bob> throw your old junk out where i can find it. :)
[03:27] <timbo__> lol
[03:27] <jim> Agent_bob, thanks but isn't a dist_upgrade only for when the next version of kubuntu is stable?
[03:28] <timbo__> Thats actually where i got my first pentium
[03:28] <Agent_bob> jim no.
[03:29] <Agent_bob> jim just  apt-get dist-upgrade      but,  if you are using propritary drivers you'll have to reinstall them for the newer kernel.
[03:29] <jim> Thanks , just left Fedora and Yum so this is new to me. I thought dist-upgrade would load 7.10 Beta?
[03:29] <Agent_bob> no it wont
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> Not until 7.10 is an official version
[03:29] <Agent_bob> you have to change the sources.list for that.
[03:30] <timbo__> I find my self trying to emerge portage all the time lol
[03:30] <jim> Agent_bob: thanks. I was wondering why I had an older kernel still : )
[03:30] <Agent_bob> Dragnslcr well it would now if you change the sources.list file
[03:30] <Agent_bob> jim that's why.
[03:31] <jim> Great . Thanks : )
[03:31] <Agent_bob> timbo__ heh i know the feeling.   i install with  urpmi   and remove with   urpme     it was so much easier to just write a script than to change the habbit ....
[03:32] <Agent_bob> sometimes i even tell people in here to urpm***  then use the backspace before posting it....
[03:32] <timbo__> haha glad im not alone
[03:32] <timbo__> I like having a packet manager, saves googling time
[03:33] <timbo__> well shall i say a "nice" packet manager
[03:33] <Agent_bob> urpmq <string>        translated to *buntu'ish is   apt-cache search <string>
[03:33] <fawx> i can't listen to music frum imeem or my myspace...ugh
[03:34] <fawx> bot help pwease
[03:34] <jim> Do most people use cron to do their apt-get udate and upgrade?
[03:34] <Agent_bob> !bot
[03:34] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:34] <timbo__> Only reason i didnt come to buntu earlier is cause of wine doors, but then i googled "ubuntu wine-doors" and found out that i could install it and here i am
[03:34] <timbo__> !wine-doors
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wine-doors - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <Agent_bob> jim i'm not most people   better ask them   :)
[03:35] <Juacom99> witch is the best windos emulator for kubuntu??
[03:35] <fawx> witch?
[03:35] <timbo__> which
[03:35] <timbo__> ?
[03:35] <pillowpants> Juacom99 : theres pretty much one that i know of, wine
[03:35] <Agent_bob> windows emulator ?    is there such a thing ?
[03:35] <jim> does Agent Bob use cron to keep things up to date : )
[03:35] <Agent_bob> jim no.
[03:35] <timbo__> cough cough, not an emulator lol
[03:35] <fawx> wine is weird
[03:35] <pillowpants> Juacom99 : and for games, cedega
[03:36] <fawx> but's it's called witch
[03:36] <pillowpants> fawx: it works, ive got tons of stuff to work with it
[03:36] <Juacom99> sorry about my english :$
[03:36] <Juacom99> i'm using wine  to run ares
[03:36] <fawx> maplestory
[03:36] <timbo__> wine doors has flash8 writer, media player and ie at the click of a button
[03:36] <Juacom99> but it do0n't look good
[03:36] <fawx> i need it 2 work but it's fighting so hard not 2
[03:37] <fawx> does witch?
[03:37] <pillowpants> ubotu: !witch
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about witch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <timbo__> !kde
[03:37] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[03:38] <Agent_bob> jim i setup cron a few times   just to learn the in's and out's of it,  haven't used it for anything really.    i even disable the "default" cron jobs.   if one of my computers starts doing something without my input i know to look into what is happening.
[03:38] <timbo__> !wine
[03:38] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:38] <timbo__> That is what i was looking for
[03:38] <fawx> whut is kubuntu
[03:38] <Juacom99> thank i know wine i was looking for an alternative
[03:39] <timbo__> <~~is on kubuntu
[03:39] <jim> Agent Bob: I haven't used it yet but I figured apt-get may be something it could do for me?
[03:39] <Agent_bob> fawx kubutnu = ubuntu base system + kde     whereas  ubuntu = ubuntu base + gnome
[03:39] <fawx> me too i jsut was trying 2 c whut tha bot would say
[03:39] <timbo__> what is kubuntu
[03:39] <timbo__> ! what is kubuntu
[03:40] <Agent_bob> jim it surely can.   but i find that completely unattended apt can leave you in the dark wondering why the lights are off
[03:40] <Jucato> !kubuntu | timbo__
[03:40] <ubotu> timbo__: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[03:40] <fawx> damn u timbo
[03:40] <fawx> !bull
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bull - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <fawx> !bullshit
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bullshit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <Jucato> !language | fawx
[03:40] <fawx> ok
[03:40] <timbo__> lol
[03:40] <ubotu> fawx: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:40] <fawx> srry
[03:41] <timbo__> good place, i think while im on my travels i will start to recommend kubuntu
[03:42] <timbo__> A pipe fitter thats a puter geek, what a combo haha
[03:43] <fawx> ::sigh::
[03:43] <Agent_bob> plumber extrordanaire
[03:45] <Agent_bob> cat - | man
[03:45] <timbo__> Dang, I hit the wrong button
[03:46] <timbo__> ! Timbo
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timbo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <mneptok> !botabuse
[03:46] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:47] <timbo__> bot abuse lol, there is nothing else going on in here, sorry
[03:49] <Agent_bob> hey.    hey you with the funny looking ip
[03:49] <lavacano201014> oats
[03:49] <fawx> back whut are tha p2p programs for linux?
[03:49] <fawx> if any1 knows
[03:49] <Agent_bob> !p2p
[03:49] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[03:50] <Jucato> depends on what kind of p2p
[03:50] <fawx> any
[03:50] <Jucato> look up then :)
[03:50] <fawx> like 4 music nd stuff
[03:50] <Agent_bob>                                     ^
[03:50] <fawx> oh..
[03:50] <timbo__> isnt that theft? I would use frostwire if i did anything
[03:50] <timbo__> but google is much easier
[03:50] <timbo__> and faster
[03:51] <fawx> frostwire is 4 linux
[03:51] <fawx> ??
[03:51] <Jucato> !frostwire > fawx
[03:51] <Agent_bob> timbo__ you could use them in a not so leagle fasion,   but you don't have too.
[03:51] <fawx> thx
[03:51] <jim> what does it mean when 1 of my cpus says nan% in htop, now 99.9% and I'm not doing anything???
[03:51] <MythbuntuGuest27> hello
[03:51] <fawx> i a nub
[03:51] <fawx> i'm a nub
[03:52] <timbo__> ahhh, i would use g2p if you just wanted to download without sharing
[03:52] <Agent_bob> i would use ssh
[03:52] <MythbuntuGuest27> how do you do that?
[03:52] <Agent_bob> scp
[03:53] <timbo__> goto google and type g2p
[03:53] <timbo__> or go to walmart? jk
[03:53] <MythbuntuGuest27> i need to copy files from my windows laptop to my kubuntu box
[03:53] <MythbuntuGuest27> what is best?
[03:53] <Agent_bob> rsync
[03:54] <Agent_bob> scp is easy.   samba works
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest27> i tried samba could not see my windows
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest27> how i use scp?
[03:54] <Agent_bob> wrong workgroup name ?
[03:54] <timbo__> what ver. of windows
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest27> xp
[03:54] <Agent_bob> MythbuntuGuest27 setup ssh server on one and use scp from the other
[03:55] <timbo__> have a router?
[03:55] <MythbuntuGuest27> i have a wireless router
[03:55] <level1_> Hi, theres a problem I've been having in feisty, debian, and now gutsy.  In short, sometimes (not all the time) I resume from suspend and the keyboard and touchpad don't work
[03:55] <level1_> usb mouses still work
[03:56] <Zelut> what should I use for a tomboy replacement in KDE? just for random notes, etc?
[03:56] <Agent_bob> !tomboy
[03:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomboy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:56] <Agent_bob> ooops
[03:56] <jim> what would cause 1 of my cpus to jump to 99. % and stay there with next to nothing running?
[03:56] <Agent_bob> thought there was an infonode on that.
[03:57] <Kr4t05> jim: the 400MB is just the cache.
[03:57] <Kr4t05> Oh... Wait.
[03:57] <Kr4t05> Nevermind.
[03:57] <Jucato> Zelut: KNotes, Basket
[03:57] <Jucato> !info tomboy | Agent_bob
[03:57] <ubotu> agent_bob: tomboy: desktop note taking program using Wiki style links. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1167 kB, installed size 4104 kB
[03:57] <Kr4t05> For some reason, my scroll bar got stuck about 40 minutes ago. :P
[03:57] <Agent_bob> jim sounds like something working.   and top should show what it is
[03:57] <level1_> anyway, as for my keyboard problem, could I blacklist my keyboard driver?
[03:58] <level1_> would that help?
[03:58] <Zelut> Jucato: I find Knotes a bit lacking in comparison.  I'll try Basket.
[03:58] <Agent_bob> Jucato yeah i thought there was an infonode on it though
[03:59] <Agent_bob> Jucato seems your boss removes infonodes like i remove apps/packages.       :)
[03:59] <jim> Agent Bob: strange but top shows nothing above 1.0% cpu usage
[03:59] <timbo__> dang, i think i just blew one of my speakers up on my laptop
[03:59] <Agent_bob> why have more than one infonode,   all the rest can just be a symlink to that one....   ;/
[04:00] <Agent_bob> jim  then i don't know.   but i would question the accuracy of ksysguard then
[04:00] <jim> timbo_: ouch
[04:00] <MythbuntuGuest27> so how i see my windows files from my kubuntu box?
[04:01] <timbo__> yeah, was watching my daughter rock out to "four horsemen" and one started to make a cracking sound
[04:01] <MythbuntuGuest27> how i use samba
[04:01] <Agent_bob> !samba
[04:01] <jim> it is htop that shows 99% and everything is very unresponsive so something is going on. I wonder if my CPU is defective?
[04:02] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:02] <Kr4t05> I have a question about vsound. Anyone here know anything about it?
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> do i share my windows folders?
[04:02] <timbo__> are both your computers on the same network?
[04:02] <Agent_bob> jim and htop doesn't show what is max/ing it out ?
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> yes
[04:03] <MythbuntuGuest27> same new work
[04:03] <MythbuntuGuest27> network
[04:03] <timbo__> I dont remember much about xp, but is it like vista where you have to tell it to be seen on your networl
[04:03] <timbo__> network
[04:03] <level1_> how can I figure out what my keyboard drivers are?  I'm using a dell E1705
[04:04] <jim> ooo now /bin/bash is showing 100% cpu usage. This happened in Fedora too which is why I left it behind?
[04:04] <timbo__> alt+f2 then type in kcontrol on kde and its in there
[04:04] <timbo__> i think
[04:05] <Agent_bob> oh.   and for the record,  about yestergo's Q on monitering io by device  " xosview "   does NOT fit the bill.
[04:09] <Agent_bob> only interrupts 0-15  disk is not per bus  network is not per card   too many short commings to name them all.
[04:09] <wckdkl0wn> what would i play .flv with?
[04:10] <timbo__> doesnt vlc play them
[04:10] <timbo__> ?
[04:10] <wckdkl0wn> havent tryed that one
[04:10] <wckdkl0wn> but i wll now
[04:10] <jim> htop is running super slow now  but it did show /bin/bash at 100%. Only updateing every 5 minutes or so I guess cuz CPU is maxed out
[04:11] <Agent_bob> don't get me wrong   xosview is good for what it was written for.   but it's not an  io meter  per'se
[04:11] <timbo__> how old is your computer? cause im only on a laptop and barely using any resources
[04:11] <Agent_bob> jim hmmm try killing htop and see if it's it doing that.
[04:12] <Agent_bob> if the system speeds up to normal it was htop  if not   then no.
[04:12] <SilentDis> hello :)
[04:12] <Agent_bob> SilentDis
[04:13] <SilentDis> 'lo Agent_bob
[04:13] <SilentDis> figured i'd come hang out here while i do all my update crap lol
[04:13] <jim> ok killed htop but typing is painfully slow so still chugging along. Laptop is fairly new HP ZD7000 P4
[04:14] <Agent_bob> jim then it wasn't htop      maybe    sudo killall /bin/bash
[04:14] <SilentDis> laptop is going Xubuntu 6.10 -> Xubuntu 7.04 via alt cd, downloading alt cd for Ubuntu 7.04 to upgrade housemate's computer... i'm really lax on this stuff lol
[04:15] <jim> Agent_bob ok. I may lose ya but I'll be back : )
[04:16] <timbo__> im still kind of a newb, is this good or bad http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2673/snapshot1hl9.png
[04:16] <Agent_bob> probably not.
[04:16] <jim> /bin/bash
[04:16] <Chris968> hello, how to i add software sources?
[04:17] <Chris968> to=do
[04:17] <Agent_bob> !repos | Chris968
[04:17] <ubotu> Chris968: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:17] <Chris968> thank you
[04:18] <SilentDis> Chris968: the jist of it is adding extra lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  the info Agent_bob sent is much more detailed and helpful though :)
[04:18] <timbo__> eh what happened Agent_bob
[04:18] <timbo__> lol
[04:18] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: sudo mv /bin/bash /bin/bash-borkded :)
[04:19] <Agent_bob> SilentDis already have a copy   so rm would be fine.
[04:19] <Agent_bob> and it's not my shell
[04:19] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: yeah lol
[04:19] <Chris968> :)
[04:19] <Agent_bob> just wondering how many scripts would break
[04:19] <fawx> !uninstall
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uninstall - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <fawx> !uninstall packages
[04:20] <SilentDis> fawx: what are you looking to uninstall?
[04:20] <Agent_bob> i guess if i didn't use dpkg any more, it wouldn't matter...
[04:20] <fawx> umm..sum games
[04:20] <fawx> do i have2 do every game nd then remove
[04:20] <Agent_bob> fawx same way you installed only in reverse
[04:20] <SilentDis> fawx: are they installed from .deb files, via the repos?
[04:20] <fawx> kk
[04:21] <fawx> uh..dunno
[04:21] <fawx> hold on
[04:22] <Agent_bob> fawx you can check with     dpkg -l | grep -ie <string>    where <string> is part of the package name or info about it.
[04:22] <SilentDis> fawx: Agent_bob is right, usually you can use whatever package manager you prefer, and just remove them.  be it command line (sudo aptitude remove game-name), or via a gui (adept, etc)
[04:22] <fawx> ok
[04:22] <Agent_bob> SilentDis or even     make uninstall
[04:23] <Agent_bob> or   bash file.run --remove
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[04:23] <SilentDis> fawx: or, if they're just a directory in your home (like UT2k4 or Q3A, whatever), you can just delete the directory, and any icons in your menus.
[04:24] <jim> II did killall /bin/bash but cpu 1 still 99.3%
[04:24] <fawx> the whole directory will get rid of them
[04:24] <Agent_bob> jim still showing that bash is the cause ?
[04:25] <jimmacdonald> so some guy just came into ubuntu-ak making fun of me because of the way I greeted people in the room... mind you that I am an op in that room.
[04:25] <jim> at the top of htop is sysguard at 1.8% ?
[04:25] <Agent_bob> jimmacdonald so did you show him the door   or were you patient with the jojo  ?
[04:26] <jimmacdonald> I was polite the first couple of times.
[04:26] <Agent_bob> jim and system is still slow as yesterdays windows ?
[04:26] <Agent_bob> errrr i mean tomarrows windows     sorry.
[04:26] <holycow> jimmacdonald: instant ban
[04:26] <holycow> i wouldn't even think about it
[04:27] <SilentDis> lol
[04:27] <jim> yes it is. Some characters take 10 secs to appear after typing them?
[04:27] <jimmacdonald> now now... we are suposed to be the face of Ubuntu and show that we are above belittling users...
[04:28] <holycow> lol
[04:28] <holycow> who the fuck do  you think you are anyway?
[04:28] <holycow> lol
[04:28] <Agent_bob> jim i don't know.   i'm not familear with that issue.    i'll defer to anyone that has been there.
[04:28] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: good call.
[04:28] <jimmacdonald> but I did ask him if he wanted to learn why he shouldn't make fun of IRC ops before I kicked him
[04:28] <SilentDis> quick question:  2 'net connections, one via eth0, the other managed by kppp.  the kppp connection is much faster (EVDO vs dialup).  I can bring down eth0 and, of course, everything routes through the kppp connection... is there a way to keep eth0 up so i can use network resources, but have everything 'net related go through my kppp connection?
[04:28] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido which ?
[04:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !language | holycow, you should know better by now
[04:28] <ubotu> holycow, you should know better by now: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:28] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: on why he isn't an op :)
[04:29] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:29] <Agent_bob> yeah that.
[04:29] <Agent_bob> one reason when offered i declined.
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i could never do it
[04:30] <Alp`> whats your favorite pdf viewer?
[04:30] <Jucato> Agent_bob: thank you :)
[04:30] <holycow> as the face of ubuntu, ubuntu ops really haven't a great reputation
[04:30] <holycow> although some improvement has been noticed
[04:30] <Agent_bob> when things have been, shall we say, hard to handle, then in here i would probably do something like   /ban *
[04:30] <holycow> ultimately if the dude was acting unprovoked instant band really is in order
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: and you think you could do better with your potty mouth?
[04:31] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: funny you ask, you notice i've never applied or asked to be an op?
[04:31] <jim> anyone else have any suggestions for why my cpu shows 100% when I'm doing nothing ?
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> just that you were bringing up what you would do in a similar situation
[04:31] <Jucato> um.. can you please take this outside?
[04:31] <Daisuke_Ido> no harm done
[04:31] <Agent_bob> Jucato while you are here,  can you have a look at jim.
[04:31] <Jucato> jim: what does top/htop/ksysguard say? which process is doing it?
[04:32] <Jucato> Agent_bob: trying to
[04:32] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: but...  my pc's in here :\
[04:32] <Agent_bob> ty.
[04:32] <Jucato> I'm not really good at looking at people
[04:32] <Agent_bob> speeking of offtopic Jucato
[04:32] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:33] <fawx> were u guys born with linux in ur heads>..
[04:33] <holycow> naw, you absorb it through osmosis
[04:33] <holycow> same as windows or osx
[04:33] <Agent_bob> fawx no,   i just sat so close to it,  it soaked in through my pours
[04:33] <SilentDis> fawx: I dunno.  i sleep with my kubuntu cds under my pillow, hoping to make up for my microsoft use days :P
[04:33] <jMerliN> ok, anyone here think they can help mah?
[04:33] <fawx> linux is weird but i like it
[04:33] <primary> quick question - i just installed kubuntu 7.04 and i am having problems getting it to support 3d accel. on my ati radeon 9600pro, i have gone through several of the howto's but none seem to work, has anyone else here managed to set theirs up?
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> !ask | jMerliN
[04:33] <ubotu> jMerliN: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:34] <holycow> fawx: actually linux is logical
[04:34] <holycow> fawx: its just that you have 15 years of doing things the wrong way
[04:34] <jim> Jucato: that is the strange thing the top process shows .5% now (ksysguard) but htop shows total cpu load of 99.3% on CPU 1 0.7% on CPU2
[04:34] <fawx> logically weird
[04:34] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: that fails here because 99.99999999999999999999999% of the time, when you ask a question it goes unanswered.
[04:34] <Agent_bob> fawx it's only wierd as long as you "think M$" when you get that out of your system everything else is wierd.
[04:34] <fawx> ugh...
[04:34] <NickPresta> jMerliN, direct yourself to !patience :)
[04:34] <Jucato> jim: oh dual core? sorry don't know that stuff..
[04:34] <jMerliN> NickPresta: 2 hours waiting isn't patience?  fail.
[04:35] <holycow> fawx: it takes quite a long time to unlearn doing things wrong however
[04:35] <fawx> i grew up windows i'm srry i blame society
[04:35] <SilentDis> fawx: i actually have problems going back to the micorosft way of doing things now.  things just seem to flow a lot more logically in linux.
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> then you're obviously here at the wrong time, and now you've just ensured you're part of that group that will never get an answer from me, HAND, HTH, GLHF.
[04:35] <bazhang> hi jMerliN
[04:35] <jMerliN> bazhang: hi
[04:35] <fawx> windows is 2 easy
[04:35] <holycow> thats wrong actually
[04:35] <timbo__> do you have your settings on performance or powersavings?
[04:35] <holycow> linux is easier
[04:35] <NickPresta> jMerliN, you have the forums, google, and you can wait here. If you don't get an answer via those 3 methods, then you can complain.
[04:35] <holycow> and far more powerfull
[04:36] <earl_> hey guys, i was doing an apt-get upgrade earlier today and it was doing something pretty massive, my wired connection came out while it was in progress
[04:36] <NickPresta> jMerliN, feel free to ask your question again
[04:36] <holycow> but you have 15 years of bad training
[04:36] <Jucato> jMerliN: btw, there are other sources of information if you can't get an answer in here. there is help.ubuntu.com/community and the ubuntuforums
[04:36] <Agent_bob> jMerliN still how to slow the mosue down question ?
[04:36] <earl_> and now i cannot apt-get upgrade or i get the following error message after a bunch of other things
[04:36] <holycow> you just THINK its easier becasue  you forgot what it took to learn it
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> not much, actually
[04:36] <fawx> no cuz once u kno linux everything else should be easier i think
[04:36] <jMerliN> Jucato: looked at the forums and faq pages, neither could answer.
[04:36] <SilentDis> earl_: what errors are you getting?
[04:36] <jMerliN> kinda fails then
[04:36] <holycow> fawx: however, regardless of what we say, we know you won't believe us until about 1.5 years from now
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> windows *is* easier, there's no command line to contend with :)
[04:36] <fawx> n0o0o00o0o0o
[04:36] <Chris968> when i try to connect to a remote pc via rdp i get the following error message: could not start rdesktop. make sure rdesktop is installed properly
[04:36] <holycow> when a light bulb goes off an dyou go 'ah damn i've been doing it wrong all this time'
[04:36] <Jucato> jMerliN: asked in the forums or just looked?
[04:36] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: i use windows command line quite a lot o.O
[04:36] <earl_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:36] <earl_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> but being so much easier is one of its inherent flaws :)
[04:36] <fawx> 1.5 that's a long time
[04:37] <holycow> fawx: well its your fault for being in the windows cult
[04:37] <Jucato> earl_: you are on gutsy right?
[04:37] <jMerliN> Jucato: looked, i've asked questions in the forum before and had the thread sink to the bottom of the page with 0 replies but hundreds of views.
[04:37] <earl_> yea.
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: unless you're talking about powershell, good luck getting anything done with it :)
[04:37] <jim> It is a P4 SMP show htop shows 2 cpus
[04:37] <Jucato> earl_: it's a known issue. a fix is on the way
[04:37] <earl_> oh. okay.
[04:37] <Jucato> earl_: and gutsy issued in #ubuntu+1 please
[04:37] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: that's what vbscript is for :D
[04:37] <fawx> i blame tha schools
[04:37] <Chris968> throught krdc
[04:37] <earl_> for the record, is there anyway i can just skip that file and apt-get upgrade the rest of the upgradable files?
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm so sorry
[04:37] <holycow> that too, people tend to go along with what their friends do, *nod*
[04:37] <jMerliN> :)
[04:37] <SilentDis> earl_: first thing i'd try is blowing away that file, doing a "sudo aptitude remove --purge cupsys", and making sure it is gone from /var/cache/apt/archives as well.  then reinstalling it
[04:38] <fawx> no
[04:38] <Jucato> SilentDis: no. it's an issue in gutsy right now
[04:38] <timbo__> people sure dont like windows in these channels lol
[04:38] <bazhang> does anyone know of a way to get Konqueror to remove history, cookies, cache, passwords, etc., after each session without manually going to each setting, like Firefox does?
[04:38] <SilentDis> Jucato: ahhhhhh, didn't know we were already moving to gutsy.  that's my fault.
[04:38] <holycow> timbo__: once bitten twice shy
[04:38] <fawx> my friend told me about linux that's my transition ponit frum windows 2 linux
[04:38] <Zelut> if I create a new menu entry in Menu Editor does that get written somewhere?
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> timbo__: it has its uses, it really does, i was speaking against vbscript :)
[04:38] <Zelut> I notice its not adding a file to /usr/share/applications/kde/*.desktop
[04:38] <Agent_bob> earl_ it's simply a broken package.   that happens some times.     you can remove cupsys   and then upgrade   i think
[04:38] <MS-Suse> i need to mount and format a usb stick, who can help?
[04:38] <holycow> timbo__: if ms actually played nice no one would care, but they really go out of their way to act immorally
[04:39] <jMerliN> Questions: 1. How do I lower the acceleration of my mouse below 1.0x because that is still WAY too fast.  2. How do I raise the resolution of my desktop above 1024x768 without manually editing the x11 config file?
[04:39] <Jucato> Zelut: that's for system-wide/system-installed items. ~/.local/share/applications/ is for the user
[04:39] <fawx> which toke place 2 weeks ago -_-
[04:39] <timbo__> ah, I have both on both my puters so i dont care
[04:39] <SilentDis> MS-Suse: usually, *ubuntu mounts the stick for you, so you can pull the data
[04:39] <Zelut> Jucato: thank you.
[04:39] <peter_>  does any know how to connect a blue tooth headset ?
[04:39] <holycow> timbo__: just when you think they might understand you wait a bit and they pull stuff like the ooxml fiasco standardization recently
[04:39] <earl_> actually i just went into adept, did a full upgrade and then removed cupsys from the list of changes. seems like it's going through okay.
[04:39] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse you format then mount,   never format a mounted fs.
[04:39] <earl_> cupsys isn't really necessary for me anyway, i am not printing anything right now
[04:39] <SilentDis> MS-Suse: then, you can use a graphical editor (such as gparted) or the command line to repartition/format it
[04:39] <holycow> MS-Suse: haha love the nick
[04:39] <Jucato> could the windows discussion please be taken to #kubuntu-offtopic!!
[04:39] <holycow> thats what i'm calling novell from now on
[04:40] <holycow> ms-suse :)
[04:40] <fawx> is there any way 2 go awya w/ out it being global
[04:40] <Jucato> #kubuntu-offtopic !!
[04:40] <fawx> ??
[04:40] <earl_> Jucato: are there any such "known issues" about amarok in gutsy?
[04:40] <Jucato> earl_: not sure. haven't had any issues. better ask in #ubuntu+1
[04:40] <SilentDis> quick question:  2 'net connections, one via eth0, the other managed by kppp.  the kppp connection is much faster (EVDO vs dialup).  I can bring down eth0 and, of course, everything routes through the kppp connection... is there a way to keep eth0 up so i can use network resources, but have everything 'net related go through my kppp connection?
[04:40] <MS-Suse> ok , i think the usb stick is formated with raiserfs or its not formated at all
[04:40] <earl_> actually
[04:40] <fawx> jucato sorry...........
[04:40] <MS-Suse> holycow, thanks, i like it too
[04:40] <earl_> i'll try that, thanks
[04:41] <Sassuke> sry das ich hier de red aber bruchte dringend hilfe und im de channel schlafen schon alle :(
[04:41] <Jucato> fawx: /away is something you do per IRC server, not per channel, afaik
[04:41] <Jucato> !de | Sassuke
[04:41] <ubotu> Sassuke: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:41] <hydrogen> !de | Sassuke
[04:41] <Sassuke> sagte ich doch gerade da schlafen alle :(
[04:41] <hydrogen> !${de} << file
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about de} << file - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Agent_bob> SilentDis probably with route.     route add default gw pppd     or something like that.
[04:41] <jMerliN> Questions: 1. How do I lower the acceleration of my mouse below 1.0x because that is still WAY too fast.  2. How do I raise the resolution of my desktop above 1024x768 without manually editing the x11 config file?
[04:42] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: thanks...  ubotu, time to pick your brain a bit...
[04:42] <Jucato> jMerliN: #1 is probably hardcoded into KDE. you can ask in #kde to be sure
[04:42] <MS-Suse> SilentDis, is there a kde alternative to gparted?
[04:42] <bazhang> MS-Suse: hi
[04:42] <MS-Suse> bazhang, hi
[04:42] <holycow> kparted
[04:42] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse qtparted
[04:42] <Jucato> jMerliN: #2 KDE only uses the available resolutions in xorg.conf. if the resolution isn't there, you can't add it. afaik
[04:42] <holycow> lol oh thats it
[04:42] <holycow> heh
[04:43] <bazhang> MS-Suse: love your username.
[04:43] <jMerliN> Jucato: the kubuntu 7.04 distro comes with a maximum of 1027x768 which is way way way too small
[04:43] <MS-Suse> i got kicked out from #suse for "annoying"?
[04:43] <bazhang> hahaha
[04:43] <hydrogen> serves you right.
[04:43] <jMerliN> i tried adding 1280x1024 manually by just putting "1280x1024" in front of the 1024x768 one and when i restarted i get a black screen.
[04:43] <jMerliN> gg
[04:43] <letalis> jMerliN: youre still in here spreading FUD?
[04:44] <letalis> lol
[04:44] <holycow> you need the right refresh rates in your xorg.conf file jMerliN
[04:44] <Agent_bob> jMerliN "kubuntu 7.04 distro comes with a maximum of 1027x768" <<<  what are you on ?
[04:44] <hydrogen> I want sopme!
[04:44] <Chris968> im having trouble with Krdc, when i try to connect i get the following error: could not start rdesktop: make sure rdesktop is installed properly. i dont understand why it would not be installed properly as it came preinstalled
[04:44] <jMerliN> holycow: like they're incorrect -.-
[04:45] <Agent_bob> yep
[04:45] <jMerliN> Agent_bob: surely then the video adapter I have is completely INCAPABLE of running any higher than 1024x768 says kubuntu then?
[04:45] <jMerliN> that's bad news for the gaming world then.
[04:45] <Zelut> Jucato: thank you.  Now I notice katapult doesn't find my manually installed application.  Is there a way to update that as well?
[04:45] <jMerliN> i should go call nvidia and tell them that a $400 video card can't output any higher
[04:45] <bazhang> jMerliN: where's the z?
[04:45] <letalis> jMerliN: what card do you have?
[04:45] <jMerliN> 8800 GTS
[04:45] <Agent_bob> jMerliN jsut because you don't understand how xorg works,  don't spew your crap in here.
[04:45] <holycow> sorry thought it might of been that.  what else have you tried?
[04:46] <hydrogen> lets all be nice
[04:46] <Chris968> i have another pc beside me running vista which is able to connect and login to the remote pc without any problems
[04:46] <Agent_bob> thank you.
[04:46] <hydrogen> and fix the problem
[04:46] <hydrogen> rather than attacking the messanger
[04:46] <Jucato> Zelut: you have to "refresh" Katapult. Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure Katapult, then click on Ok w/o modifying anything
[04:46] <bazhang> yesss.
[04:46] <hydrogen> and can I have some of whatever it is that you may be smoking?
[04:46] <hydrogen> I really need it
[04:46] <letalis> the nvidia driver should be able to handle that
[04:46] <Jucato> Agent_bob: plesae tone it down...
[04:46] <Jucato> hydrogen: not helping :/
[04:46] <letalis> nvidia is pretty with it when it comes to their linux support
[04:46] <jMerliN> letalis: it did not change the resolution when I installed it.
[04:47] <jMerliN> and yes, i ran an OpenGL application to make sure the drivers were running properly
[04:47] <Jucato> jMerliN: did you enable it after installing it?
[04:47] <letalis> you might have to make the modification yourself
[04:47] <Jucato> jMerliN: is xorg.conf using n
[04:47] <letalis> . /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:47] <Jucato> nvidia and not nv
[04:47] <hydrogen> It could also be likely that the monitor is reporting odd things to the gfx card
[04:47] <jMerliN> i made the modification myself and had to re-install kubuntu
[04:47] <Chris968> someone please  help me :(
[04:47] <Jucato> glxgears isn't a good test. glxinfo | grep render would be better
[04:47] <Zelut> Jucato: perfect. thank you again.
[04:47] <MS-Suse> Agent_bob, qtparted is nice, thanks
[04:47] <flake> ask away, Chris968
[04:48] <Chris968> or should i try reinstalling Krdc, would that make any difference?
[04:48] <Chris968> im having trouble with Krdc, when i try to connect i get the following error: could not start rdesktop: make sure rdesktop is installed properly. i dont understand why it would not be installed properly as it came preinstalled
[04:48] <flake> could vista be refusing the connection
[04:48] <Chris968> im connecting to a pc running win2k3 server
[04:49] <flake> oh
[04:49] <cool> lo
[04:49] <cool> gudmrning
[04:49] <earl_> fellas, if i'm going to restart the computer for a kernel upgrade, is ther any proper process to do it? i.e. log out, then restart, just restart, etc...?
[04:49] <Chris968> vista is a client just like this kubuntu pc
[04:50] <Jucato> earl_: kernel upgrade? just restart
[04:50] <earl_> cool.
[04:50] <earl_> thanks
[04:50] <cool> yes
[04:50] <cool> earl?
[04:51] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse welcome.
[04:51] <cool> earl?
[04:52] <hydrogen> its under a duke
[04:52] <Jucato> cool: he already rebooted
[04:52] <hydrogen> and above a peon
[04:52] <dappermuis> hehe
[04:52] <cool> okey
[04:53] <cool> lo jucato
[04:53] <Jucato> yes?
[04:53] <Agent_bob> hydrogen depends on the local and era.   could also be and uncrowned king...
[04:53] <cool> asl pls
[04:53] <hydrogen> Agent_bob: not in my kingdom
[04:53] <Agent_bob> oh.
[04:53] <Jucato> cool: this isn't a channel for chit chat
[04:54] <hydrogen> thats such an odd way to start off a coversation anyways
[04:54] <hydrogen> I must say
[04:54] <bazhang> coreymon77: hey coreymon77
[04:54] <Jucato> it's the norm in social channels, specially in DALnet and Undernet.. but that's offtopic
[04:55] <hydrogen> I mean.. I've tried walking up to people on the street and saying "Hi, where do you live?" and most look oddly at me
[04:55] <Jucato> heh
[04:55] <bazhang> hahaha
[04:55] <hydrogen> it gets even worse if I mention sex first :/
[04:56] <hydrogen> except for that one time..
[04:56] <Jucato> hydrogen: language please
[04:56] <hydrogen> but i suppose thats off topic
[04:56] <hydrogen> is that really offensive language?
[04:56] <hydrogen> sorry
[04:56] <se7en^Of^9> what is the channle for kubuntu and compiz again
[04:56] <se7en^Of^9> ?/
[04:56] <hydrogen> is there a list of banned words somewhere?
[04:56] <hydrogen> !xeffects
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xeffects - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <hydrogen> !compiz
[04:56] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:56] <hydrogen> that one!
[04:57] <se7en^Of^9> thanks
[04:57] <Agent_bob> anyway to put / in a file name ?
[04:58] <hydrogen> nope
[04:58] <Agent_bob> any <--> way ^
[04:58] <hydrogen> well
[04:58] <hydrogen> I suppose
[04:58] <jMerliN> brb, re-installing nvidia gfx drivers
[04:58] <hydrogen> if the filename was hi/lo
[04:58] <hydrogen> mkdir hi && touch hi/lo
[04:59] <hydrogen> would be about as close as you could get
[04:59] <hydrogen> then just always refer to it from the directory higher
[04:59] <hydrogen> :)
[05:00] <cool> lo
[05:01] <cool> i have no gf now.........huhuhuhuhuhuhu
[05:01] <hydrogen> bad news
[05:01] <hydrogen> this channels a sausage fest
[05:01] <Jucato> !offtopic | cool
[05:01] <ubotu> cool: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:01] <hydrogen> you arn't going to have any luck here
[05:01] <cool> pls help me..............................
[05:01] <holycow> get a mac
[05:01] <holycow> they come with a cupon
[05:01] <Jucato> cool: we can help you with Kubuntu problems. but not with your social life
[05:01] <holycow> 2 for 1 gf
[05:02] <cool> huhuhuhuhuhuh
[05:02] <cool> pls col me her i giv u my number???????????????plsssssssssss
[05:02] <earl_> jucato, you're pretty knowledgable about um, everything. let's see if you can figure out the following riddle! =)
[05:03] <Jucato> cool: final warning. stay on topic or leave
[05:03] <Alp`> cool: you should think about changing your nickname to uncool, due to the fact you're solo now
[05:03] <earl_> unfortunately, it has to do with wireless, which i'm sure your hearing about
[05:03] <earl_> err, which i'm sure you're tired of hearing about
[05:03] <MythbuntuGuest03> is there a linux mce channel
[05:03] <Jucato> earl_: unfortunately I don't have much experience in wireless. but feel free to join #ubuntu+1 for some help
[05:03] <earl_> my wireless driver is working. if i type iwlist scan in a terminal it gives me accurate information about all local networks
[05:04] <Alp`> why #ubuntu + 1 ?
[05:04] <earl_> alright, i'll ask them
[05:04] <Jucato> earl_: fortunately for me my wireless "just works"
[05:04] <Jucato> Alp`: he's on gutsy
[05:04] <earl_> alp`: i'm on gutsy =)
[05:04] <MythbuntuGuest03> lol
[05:04] <Alp`> ok
[05:04] <earl_> jucato: grrr =P
[05:04] <cool> sorry 4 disturbing................
[05:04] <Agent_bob> Alp` he's using 7.10
[05:04] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:04] <Alp`> when will gutsy be final?
[05:05] <Jucato> MythbuntuGuest03: just a guess, have you tried #linuxmce ?
[05:05] <bazhang> 10/18
[05:05] <Agent_bob> middle late oct
[05:05] <Alp`> good good, i cant wait :)
[05:05] <jMerliN> ok now, what was that command to check the renderer
[05:05] <jMerliN> just installed the nvidia drivers
[05:05] <hydrogen> glxinfo | grep render
[05:05] <Jucato> jMerliN: glxinfo | grep render
[05:05] <bazhang> Alp`: don't wait! the beta is very stable!
[05:06] <Alp`> bazhang: mmh but its still beta, right?
[05:06] <Jucato> except for a current cupsys upgrade bug
[05:06] <jMerliN> direct rendering: Yes
[05:06] <jMerliN> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2
[05:06] <jMerliN>     GL_NV_vertex_program3, GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
[05:06] <Agent_bob> bazhang has a broken package atm too
[05:06] <Jucato> jMerliN: ok it's working
[05:06] <bazhang> Alp`: yes; but very nice.
[05:06] <Alp`> bazhang: whats new?
[05:06] <jMerliN> Jucato: mind assisting me in editing my xorg config?
[05:07] <bazhang> Agent_bob: not so--instead of installing a broekn package as in the past, the install stopped and wiated.
[05:07] <Jucato> Alp`: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu
[05:07] <Alp`> thx
[05:07] <bazhang> Alp`: too much tolist.
[05:07] <Agent_bob> bazhang cupsys
[05:08] <Jucato> jMerliN: what about it?. does it still not include the proper resolutions for your monitor?
[05:08] <Jucato> !xconfig
[05:08] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[05:08] <hydrogen> !fixres
[05:08] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:08] <bazhang> Agent_bob: but it didn't install--and macogw said it's being fixed right now;
[05:08] <jMerliN> Jucato: no, the maximum resolution remains 1024x768
[05:09] <Jucato> jMerliN: in xorg.conf? then run the command given in the xconfig factoid above
[05:09] <Agent_bob> bazhang that's why i said has a broken package "atm" at the moment     so don't push someone to hury to upgrade to it.   while you know that something is yet broken
[05:10] <MS-Suse> Agent_bob, hey qtparted hangs when i try to format the usb stick, any other utility i can use that has a gui?
[05:10] <bazhang> Agent_bob: sorry for my enthusiasm
[05:10] <Agent_bob> it's one thing when you don't know.  it's quite another when you do.
[05:10] <Jucato> MS-Suse: gparted?
[05:11] <MS-Suse> Jucato, will try, but isnt it same thing just different gui?
[05:11] <jMerliN> brb, restarting X
[05:11] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse i'd do it by hand.     sudo umount /dev/sda ;sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda      or what ever device it is..
[05:11] <jMerliN> btw, a feature I'd love to see implemented would be not logging you out when you restart X
[05:11] <holycow> *blink*
[05:11] <Jucato> MS-Suse: afaik GParted is more updated/developed than QtParted. but they both basically use "parted"
[05:12] <holycow> you mean keep your session?
[05:12] <holycow> in which case that exists
[05:12] <Jucato> jMerliN: that would be impossible
[05:12] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse just   umound the device   and mkfs.<your fs type>   the device.
[05:12] <jMerliN> i'd like to re-start my X server without losing the multiple chat conversations I have going as well as the Konversation
[05:12] <jMerliN> Jucato: nothing is impossible :o
[05:12] <holycow> i'm biting my lip here
[05:12] <holycow> man
[05:12] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse sorry not umound  but umount  :)
[05:13] <holycow> thats like saying i'd like to reboot without rebooting
[05:13] <hydrogen> jMerliN: well.. there are ways to do it
[05:13] <jMerliN> a few hours with the source and I'm sure I could make an ugly hack to do it
[05:13] <holycow> jMerliN: you can't be serious
[05:13] <hydrogen> like, use irssi in screen
[05:13] <hydrogen> or use a bnc
[05:13] <Jucato> jMerliN: konverasation logs chats
[05:13] <hydrogen> it can't be done in the client though
[05:13] <hydrogen> or did I completely misread what you wrote
[05:14] <coreymon77> jMerliN: cant be done
[05:14] <Agent_bob> MS-Suse if you are only going to use it with linux    mkfs.ext3   the device.     if mostly with windows   then  mkfs.vfat   (that's fat32)
[05:14] <jMerliN> coreymon77: anything on a computer can be done.
[05:14] <Jucato> jMerliN: please do it. hack it. then we'll believe
[05:14] <bazhang> coreymon77: heya
[05:14] <coreymon77> jMerliN: it cant be done
[05:14] <coreymon77> jMerliN: period
[05:14] <hydrogen> jMerliN: doy ou mean keep all running programs while you restart xorg?
[05:15] <Jucato> hydrogen: basically keep KDE running
[05:15] <jMerliN> Jucato: and sit here and learn the ins and outs of X server to make 1 hack to it? :s
[05:15] <coreymon77> hydrogen: yep
[05:15] <hydrogen> mm] it would take you more than a few hours
[05:15] <jMerliN> hydrogen: yes, keep the running image intact, only restart the X server
[05:15] <hydrogen> it would be doable
[05:15] <holycow> jMerliN: it doesn't sound lik eyou udnerstand anything about the concept of a session
[05:15] <hydrogen> kind of
[05:15] <coreymon77> jMerliN: pointless though
[05:15] <holycow> and what a session manager does
[05:15] <hydrogen> you'd have to rewrite most everything in order to do it
[05:15] <coreymon77> jMerliN: the point of restarting x it to restart everything
[05:16] <hydrogen> but you could make a kde daemon that ran outside of x
[05:16] <jMerliN> coreymon77: the ponit of restarting X after editing xorg.conf is to update the X server with the new settings
[05:16] <hydrogen> and only a glue layer to render the ui on top of x
[05:16] <jMerliN> surely this doesn't also require to completely stop all current activities on the computer as well?
[05:16] <holycow> jMerliN: wrong
[05:16] <Jucato> jMerliN: and KDE rests on the X server
[05:16] <flake> anyone have trouble using virtualbox on ubuntu and defining a harddrive image > 4.0Gb  ?
[05:16] <holycow> jMerliN: xorg will eventually notice changes to xorg without restart
[05:16] <coreymon77> jMerliN: kde cant exist without xorg
[05:16] <holycow> its just not implemented yet and has nothing to do with restarting or sessions
[05:17] <jMerliN> holycow: how long is this interval?
[05:17] <holycow> any application that is started during a sesssion MUST end when a session is closed
[05:17] <holycow> otherwise its not a SESSION
[05:17] <holycow> get it?
[05:17] <jMerliN> holycow: then the concept would be to prevent the session from being lost when restarting the X server
[05:17] <holycow> jMerliN: which part of its not implemented are you having a hard time with?
[05:17] <holycow> help me here, i'm tryin ghard to be nice
[05:17] <Jucato> jMerliN: then save the session. then restart X
[05:17] <holycow> jMerliN: *rolls eyes*
[05:18] <holycow> which is what we already have you *(&(*&(*
[05:18] <holycow> c'mon work with us
[05:18] <holycow> gdm and kdm both store sessions and restart anything you want after login
[05:18] <holycow> each one has its own default configs and can be customized pretty extensively
[05:19] <jMerliN> holycow: so tell me how can i save this session so that when i restart X here in a moment that this window has not been closed and 0 of the contents of it have been lost
[05:19] <coreymon77> jMerliN: kde relies on xorg
[05:19] <coreymon77> jMerliN: without xorg, kde cannot exist
[05:19] <coreymon77> jMerliN: therefore, when you restart xorg, kde restarts on its on
[05:19] <Jucato> (actually ksmserver is the one that does that, not kdm)
[05:19] <coreymon77> jMerliN: you cant
[05:19] <holycow> jMerliN: just stop
[05:19] <holycow> seriously
[05:19] <jMerliN> coreymon77: can't with the current state KDE or can't ever?
[05:19] <holycow> code up a hack
[05:19] <holycow> and show us
[05:19] <coreymon77> jMerliN: a good example is me on my mac using konversation
[05:19] <jMerliN> because the latter shows a lack of understanding of what you can do with source code :)
[05:20] <holycow> no it just shows you don't have a clue
[05:20] <holycow> what you might be thinking is you want to store the STATE of x
[05:20] <coreymon77> jMerliN: i am running konversation on my mac
[05:20] <holycow> BEFORE logging out
[05:20] <holycow> BUT
[05:20] <jMerliN> holycow: on the contrary, I do not want to log out period.
[05:20] <holycow> after logging in you want to restore the LIVE STATE and *tricky part* UPDATE the session with new settings
[05:20] <jMerliN> similar to how if you shut down explorer.exe in windows you don't get logged out
[05:20] <jMerliN> you can just restart it.
[05:20] <holycow> *sigh*
[05:20] <Jucato> jMerliN: you want to talk to people who know how the source code works? ask in #kde-devel and see
[05:21] <holycow> your as dumb as a sack of hammers
[05:21] <coreymon77> jMerliN: i am doing that through apples x11.app which emulates an xorg server
[05:21] <Jucato> jMerliN: Linux != Windows
[05:21] <Agent_bob> jMerliN holycow coreymon77 and Jucato when did this drift from offtopic to    FIGHT  ???
[05:21] <jMerliN> holycow: that's nice.
[05:21] <Jucato> Agent_bob: the moment I stepped in
[05:21] <hydrogen> explorer.exe is not equivelent to xorg
[05:21] <Jucato> and I'm stepping in again.
[05:21] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:21] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:21] <jMerliN> hydrogen: did i say it was?
[05:21] <hydrogen> jMerliN: you compared the two
 similar to how if you shut down explorer.exe in windows you don't get logged out
[05:21] <letalis> rofl
[05:21] <coreymon77> jMerliN: i can close conversation without x11 closing, but if i close x11 konversation closes too
[05:21] <jMerliN> hydrogen: i did no such thing.
[05:21] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:21] <Jucato> ok everyone just stop now
[05:21] <coreymon77> jMerliN: because it cant exist without x11
[05:22] <hydrogen> yea
[05:22] <hydrogen> he's not a bad troll
[05:22] <hydrogen> but
[05:22] <hydrogen> I've seen better
[05:22] <hydrogen> you all lose.
[05:22] <bazhang> hahaha
[05:22] <Agent_bob> !enter | hydrogen
[05:22] <ubotu> hydrogen: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:22] <letalis> with jmerlin here its like having the blind help the blind across the street.
[05:22] <letalis> lol
[05:23] <Jucato> ok enough. don't add fuel to the fire
[05:23] <jMerliN> coreymon77: you're telling me if i learned the source of XORG and KDE that I could not make it do what I am proposing?
[05:23] <Jucato> take it to #kubuntu-offtopic if you want
[05:23] <coreymon77> jMerliN: no
[05:23] <holycow> i adminre when a dev thinks they can pull something off that is unconventional
[05:23] <coreymon77> jMerliN: you cant do it
[05:23] <jMerliN> coreymon77: then you are very naive
[05:23] <bazhang> coreymon77: save your breath
[05:23] <coreymon77> jMerliN: no, youre just a dumbass
[05:23] <holycow> i would say just go and do it, come back when you are done
[05:23] <Jucato> stop it right now!!
[05:23] <jMerliN> coreymon77: really?  i've modified systems people ahve told me were impossible to change WITHOUT the source code
[05:23] <bazhang> jMerliN: come on.
[05:24] <letalis> Jucato: see i couldve said that, but i was being nice.
[05:24] <letalis> :)
[05:24] <jMerliN> i'm fairly confident it would be much simpler.
[05:24] <Jucato> jMerliN, coreymon77: take it to #kubuntu-offtopic now, or so help me
[05:24] <hydrogen> why did the troll cross the road?
[05:24] <hydrogen> he got kicked out of #kubuntu
[05:24] <bazhang> why?
[05:24] <jMerliN> hydrogen: to make the drivers swerve off of the road?
[05:26] <bazhang> is there anyway to automate cleaning the Konqueror session (a la Firefox)?
[05:27] <Jucato> bazhang: hm.. not so sure about that. but in kcontrol -> security & privacy -> privacy there's a button that does it all
[05:27] <bazhang> Jucato: thanks very much!
[05:28] <Jucato> bazhang: you can launch it with "kcmshell privacy" too
[05:30] <bazhang> Jucato: is that in Gutsy also?
[05:30] <Jucato> in all of KDE
[05:30] <bazhang> Jucato: thanks!
[05:30] <Agent_bob> it's a kde thang
[05:30] <jMerliN> eek
[05:31] <jMerliN> 1280x1024 resolution but the screen is off lol
[05:31] <jMerliN> like translated down and then right :s
[05:31] <jMerliN> refresh rate?  the dpkg reconfigure set it to 61 (it was 50 before)
[05:31] <Agent_bob> jMerliN use the monitor adjustments
[05:31] <jMerliN> Agent_bob: you mean the physical ones?
[05:31] <Jucato> adjust your monitor
[05:31] <Agent_bob> jMerliN yes
[05:31] <jMerliN> lol it's not those that are off
[05:31] <jMerliN> by a long shot
[05:32] <jMerliN> it's not a simple translation
[05:32] <Agent_bob> jMerliN yes it is.
[05:32] <holycow> lol
[05:32] <holycow> wow
[05:32] <jMerliN> Agent_bob: let me describe before you assume?
[05:32] <jMerliN> please.
[05:32] <bazhang> wow kcmshell privacy is the bomb.
[05:32] <jMerliN> the top left corner of the screen is shifted right about 300 pixels and down about 90
[05:32] <jMerliN> the right side of the screen wraps around to the left side
[05:32] <jMerliN> so if i move my mouse all the way to the right edge of the screen and keep going, i see it come out of the left side
[05:32] <jMerliN> and the bottom of the screen is cut off with some weird distortion at the top
[05:33] <jMerliN> this is an LCD monitor also
[05:33] <jMerliN> it's not an adjustment issue
[05:33] <holycow> just move your mouse top right hand corner and it will realign
[05:33] <jMerliN> sure didn't
[05:33] <holycow> thats a bug, i've seen it before
[05:33] <jMerliN> didn't fix :(
[05:33] <hydrogen> ewll, just spend a few hours with the source code and i'm sure it will work :P
[05:34] <Agent_bob> lcd  ah then wrong refresh rate.
[05:34] <Jucato> hydrogen: grr!!!! :/
[05:34] <hydrogen> sorry Jucato, i couldn't resist :)
[05:34] <Jucato> hydrogen: :P
[05:34] <jMerliN> mk, editing xorg config :s
[05:35] <Agent_bob> jMerliN what you described is normal for crt   but correctly stated not lcd's
[05:35] <holycow> what agent bob said
[05:35] <jMerliN>         HorizSync       28-64
[05:35] <jMerliN>         VertRefresh     43-60
[05:36] <Agent_bob> many a crt i've seen with the screen setup way outa whack so windows would look right then you install linux and at some rez you get that picture.
[05:36] <jMerliN> why does the system show 61 as the refresh rate if the range is from 43-60?
[05:36] <Agent_bob> 28-64  ^
[05:37] <Agent_bob> check which you are reading.
[05:37] <earl__> good news everyone
[05:37] <earl__> my wireless works!
[05:37] <Agent_bob> back in a bit.
[05:37] <earl__> i have to use a GTK application to do it though. =(
[05:37] <Jucato> earl__: aw... at least it works :)
[05:37] <bazhang> earl__: congrats!
[05:38] <earl__> I'm using wifi-radar. which is cool, but i'd like something that would stay in my tray for configuration at will. i've tried all the KDE ones with varying levels of failure
[05:38] <bazhang> are you on it now?
[05:38] <holycow> earl_ kinda odd, i found kde applet to be pretty good so far
[05:38] <earl__> jucato: the driver works pretty much out of the box with gutsy's driver manager
[05:38] <earl__> it's just
[05:38] <holycow> as good as kismet almost for recognizing networks
[05:38] <earl__> knetworkmanager refuses to accept that i have networking hardware, at all.
[05:39] <earl__> it doesn't work with either my wireless or wired connections.
[05:39] <Jucato> earl__: weird
[05:39] <Jucato> hm.. I think there was a bug for knm.. not really sure. haven't been paying attention
[05:39] <earl__> it might be pretty serious
[05:39] <earl__> and i hope it gets fixed soon
[05:39] <bazhang> earl__: knetworkmanager is really a hassle.
[05:39] <Jucato> not serious enough for me not to have internet on my laptop..
[05:39] <earl__> i'd reeeeeally like to have a systray wifi manager =(
[05:39] <jMerliN> restarting
[05:40] <Jucato> announcing
[05:40] <earl__> perhaps not, but serious enough that it's like a complete waste of clock cycles on my box.
[05:40] <earl__> bazhang: you said it.
[05:40] <Alp-> if i upgrade to gutsy now, will i get the final release automatically via apt-get?
[05:40] <Jucato> Alp-: yep
[05:40] <Jucato> Alp-: but I don't recommend doing that *now*
[05:41] <earl__> gutsy's a little rough around the edges yet
[05:41] <Jucato> at least until this bupsys ugprade bug is resolved
[05:41] <earl__> i'm having some problems with amarok
[05:41] <earl__> or rather
[05:41] <earl__> with xine.
[05:41] <Jucato> what about it?
[05:41] <Alp-> Jucato: what is bupsys?
[05:41] <earl__> cupsys*
[05:41] <Jucato> sorry cupsys
[05:41] <Jucato> wth did I type bupsys?
[05:41] <Jucato> c and b  so far from each other..
[05:41] <bazhang> earl__: I left Feisty because of it; Gutsy it's way better..
[05:41] <Alp-> thats the printer driver, right?
[05:42] <earl__> a print server, it seems like it's broken
[05:42] <Jucato> yeah
[05:42] <earl__> Jucato: okay, so i'm using amarok right now, and it's fine. it plays tracks beautifully.
[05:42] <earl__> i'm going to go to kaffeine to try to play a DVD, just for the sake of argument.
[05:42] <Jucato> Common Unix Printing System
[05:42] <earl__> it gets to the dvd menu, where there should be sound. playback stops, i get an error message saying xine is busy.
[05:42] <earl__> amarok keeps playing like nothing happens.
[05:42] <Jucato> earl__: hm. let me try that.
[05:43] <Jucato> not with a dvd though
[05:43] <earl__> i stop amarok, and try kaffeine again
[05:43] <earl__> and not only does kaffeine still not work
[05:43] <earl__> but now i go to amarok to play again, and it will cycle through tracks as if it's unable to play them
[05:43] <earl__> and amarok doesn't respond until i kill it
[05:43] <earl__> when i load amarok again i get a xine error message from that
[05:43] <earl__> and then it seems like if i wait a few minutes, it'll work again.
[05:43] <earl__> extremely weird.
[05:43] <Jucato> let me test
[05:44] <Jucato> hm... no such problem
[05:44] <Jucato> going to try to play a dvd
[05:44] <earl__> kaffieine doesnt just give the error from a dvd, i use an mp3 file and it still gives the following
[05:44] <pwnt-> earl__: ?
[05:45] <pwnt-> earl__: are you Strickland?
[05:45] <Jucato> earl__: not happening to me if that's the case
[05:45] <earl__> xine message: audio output unavailable. device is busy.
[05:45] <earl__> now i go to amarok and click stop
[05:45] <earl__> and i get the KDE error sound effect
[05:45] <earl__> pwnt-: i don't have any other names on thsi channel if that's your question
[05:45] <Jucato> earl__: working purrfectly here
[05:45] <Alp-> its getting morning again... wtf
[05:46] <pwnt-> earl__: no, is your name "earl strickland"
[05:46] <earl__> oh no. why?
[05:46] <earl__> earl's not even my first name hahaha
[05:46] <pwnt-> just wondering, I'm watching a youtube of Earl Strickland as we speak.
[05:46] <earl__> who's that
[05:46] <Jucato> O.o
[05:47] <pwnt-> He's the best pool player in the world
[05:47] <Jucato> um... getting offtopic...
[05:47] <holycow> and peoplle think geeks have retarded hobbies
[05:47] <holycow> :)
[05:47] <Jucato> earl__: btw, I'm not having that problem in here
[05:47] <earl__> i figured you wouldn't
[05:48] <earl__> im just hoping there will be a xine update that will fix it in the next few days
[05:48] <earl__> is there some sort of folder i could delete that might have bad options in it or something?
[05:48] <MythbuntuGuest08> i installed kubuntu.. then linux mce  it changed my video card drive.. now it 640 is that the default
[05:48] <MythbuntuGuest08> only setting?
[05:49] <holycow> open up a terminal and do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:49] <Jucato> !xconfig | MythbuntuGuest08
[05:49] <ubotu> MythbuntuGuest08: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[05:50] <earl__> !aiglx
[05:50] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[05:50] <MythbuntuGuest08> cool i will try that
[05:50] <bazhang> where's JMerlin?
[05:50] <MythbuntuGuest08> any one here try linux mce?
[05:51] <holycow> i used to run mythtv ... so not really
[05:51] <bazhang> I would love to MythbuntuGuest08
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest08> does it work good enough to replace my tivo?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> I perfer MythTV. :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> but i got a tivo gave to me.. and it was a PITA.. :)
[05:52] <MythbuntuGuest08> i am installing linux mce now.. but i seen mythbuntu..
[05:52] <bazhang> not sure; but seems sweet.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> no idea on linux MCE. never used it.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Mythbuntu seemed fairly well done the little ive used it
[05:53] <holycow> the youtube of mce are amazing
[05:53] <bazhang> it's being pushed by canonical; I've seen cards here that support it.
[05:53] <MythbuntuGuest08> that is what got me hooked
[05:53] <bazhang> in asia.
[05:53] <holycow> tivo'ing is just like a fraction of what mce does
[05:54] <MythbuntuGuest08> but i do not know anything about linux
[05:54] <bazhang> very true
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Time to spend more time reading Linux guides/books and less watching tv. :)  heh.
[05:54] <bazhang> hahha
[05:54] <Dr_willis> The more ya learn about Linux. the more ya learn,, that theres a LOT more to learn!
[05:54] <ubuntnoob> does anyone help with Ubuntu Ult installs?
[05:54] <bazhang> and less irc
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ubuntnoob,  i think the ubuntu and kubuntu channels frown on Ubuntu Ultimate. (not that ive used it , or even checked it out)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Not even sure what makes it different.
[05:55] <holycow> what is ubuntu ultimate?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Its geting to be a 'ubuntu variant of the week' sort of thing... i guess
[05:55] <holycow> sounds like something you shouldn't be using anyway
[05:55] <ubuntnoob> Thats the impression I got from the #Ubuntu channel
[05:56] <holycow> every 12 year old twat thinks they can roll their own version of ubuntu BUT more betah
[05:56] <Dr_willis> The #ubuntu guys cant support every little thing that exists for ubuntu.
[05:56] <ubuntnoob> Ult just has a bunch of extra stuff added on, like Beryl
[05:56] <holycow> why do people do things like that
[05:56] <Juacom99> can somepne plese help me with virtualvox??
[05:56] <holycow> instead of just helping out with current repos for beryl and other things
[05:56] <Dr_willis> ubuntnoob,  sounds somewhat useless then.. since gutsy will make it  illrevenant.
[05:56] <holycow> i don't get it
[05:57] <Dr_willis> holycow,  that takes more work. :)
[05:57] <holycow> you mean less
[05:57] <ubuntnoob> gutsy?  do I need to google that?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> working WiTH other people is more work.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> heh.
[05:57] <holycow> ah :) right
[05:57] <Dr_willis> ubuntnoob,  its the next release of Ubuntu. due out in.. err.. 2 weeks? 3?
[05:57] <bazhang> that's the next release, in eleven days.
[05:57] <Jucato> !gutsy | ubuntnoob
[05:57] <ubotu> ubuntnoob: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[05:57] <bazhang> 10/18
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Gutsy will make a lot of these 'addon scripts' for ubuntu.. rather.. pointless.
[05:57] <bazhang> beta now.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> which is a GOOD thing.
[05:58] <ubuntnoob> nice.
[05:58] <bazhang> as well as automatix.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> bazhang,  i dont even soil my mouth with mentionign that one by name.. :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> 'the script that is not to be named' :)
[05:58] <holycow> what willis said
[05:58] <bazhang> Dr_willis: hahaha
[05:58] <holycow> my god i just hate seeing that word
[05:58] <ubuntnoob> maybe I'm making the jump to soon then.  I hate not understanding the install method.  Grub seems simple enough, but I can't get it to work/boot...
[05:59] <Dr_willis> of course My Fave Ubuntu Variant is Mint Linux. - but with gutsy - seems the mint guys are branching away more and more from the standard ubuntu.
[06:00] <bazhang> how about ubuntulite?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Too many disrtos  are just different because of this tweak, or that little change. or what they got installed by default.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> bazhang,  thats just a Ultra Minimal ubuntu. :) so it might even be officially ok. heh.
[06:00] <bazhang> Dr_willis: I tried it, not bad.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Puppylinux 3.0 came out yesterday. heh.  if you want a TRUELY light desktop.
[06:01] <MythbuntuGuest08> what is the lightest desktop?
[06:01] <jMerliN> much better, 1280x1024 ftw :)
[06:01] <pillowpants> does anyone here know anything about getting hamachi on linux?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> MythbuntuGuest08,  Puppy is like 80mb I think.. DSL about 50mb.
[06:01] <pillowpants> ive heard of ghamachi
[06:02] <pillowpants> zipslack
[06:02] <Dr_willis> both can run totally in ram.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> of course ya got a 'desktop' then ya got a 'desktop with a good set of tools' :)
[06:02] <Dragnslcr> MuLinux > *
[06:02] <Dragnslcr> Runs from a single 1.44 MB floppy
[06:03] <bazhang> hurd!
[06:03] <ubuntnoob> thanks and good night.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> QNX at one time had a whole desktop on a floppy with dialup support and a browser.
[06:04] <MythbuntuGuest08> wow! that is amazing a floppy
[06:04] <Dr_willis> QNX aparently got some sort of 'open source' thing the other day.. but.. its not the GPL license.. so no one cared.. :)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> MythbuntuGuest08,  that qnx floppy came out like.. 5+ years ago was even more amazing.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> But ya dont hear much about qnx these days. they are very specilized company/os i guess.
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest08> crappppppppppppppppp
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest08> the linux mce installer failed
[06:06] <Dr_willis> IF ya are going to be playign with 'media os's' and other mini/live cd's - be sure to check out GeexBox also.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> I got geexbox installed on my laptop on Partition #1 (60mb) then Ubuntu after that. :)
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest08> it says it could not install lame
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i boot geexbox = instant media player.
[06:08] <earl__> jucato: do you know where xine stores its configuration files?
[06:08] <flake> is mplayer the same as mplayer for windows a few years ago
[06:08] <ardchoille> earl__:  ~/.xine
[06:08] <MythbuntuGuest08> what is lame?
[06:08] <flake> ah no, that's movie player
[06:09] <earl__> ardchoille: doesn't exist
[06:09] <earl__> mythbuntuguest08: you! (burned)
[06:09] <earl__> mythbuntuguest08: lame is probably LAME the mp3 encoder
[06:09] <flake> on the old mplayer you could find webcasts on tv shows, anime shows, etc..   is there something like that for kubuntu
[06:09] <Dr_willis> old mplayer? Hmmm...
[06:09] <ardchoille> earl__: Xine should create it upon first use. At least that has always been the case with my computers.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> shoutcast.com ;) i guess.
[06:10] <MythbuntuGuest08> what earl?
[06:10] <earl__> the fact that it doesn't exist is probably nooooooooot a good thing
[06:10] <earl__> mythbuntuguest08: what are you asking about?
[06:10] <flake> ahh, they recommend xmms
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest08> i am installing linuxmce and it says install failed could not install lame
[06:11] <holycow> oh
[06:11] <holycow> hahaha
[06:11] <holycow> lame is an encoder
[06:11] <holycow> :)
[06:11] <earl__> LAME is an mp3 encoder
[06:11] <earl__> stands for
[06:12] <earl__> LAME Ain't an Mp3 Encoder
[06:12] <earl__> trippy, isn't i
[06:12] <earl__> it*
[06:12] <MythbuntuGuest08> any suggestions what i should now?
[06:12] <earl__> idunno. my linux-fu isn't very good.
[06:14] <jMerliN> holycow: got it all worked out :)
[06:14] <jMerliN> took a few bouts with the TTY console to fix my config but it works now ^.^
[06:14] <bazhang> apologies all around!
[06:15] <mneptok> MythbuntuGuest08: this really isn't the right channel for Linux MCE questions.
[06:15] <MythbuntuGuest08> what channel?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> This is when you look at the Linux MCE web site. :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> and see what they suggest.
[06:15] <MythbuntuGuest08> oh good idea
[06:17] <mneptok> wow. no whining about "I JUST WANT HELP!"
[06:17] <mneptok> i hope that guy gets *everything* working. that was cool.
[06:17] <holycow> ditto
[06:17] <holycow> totally awesome
[06:17] <bazhang> yes.
[06:19] <mneptok> i may bu doing the living room Linux machine soon. but i'll be lazy and just get a PS3.
[06:19] <mneptok> *be
[06:20] <holycow> thats actually more work than doing the living room linux :)
[06:20] <jMerliN> grrrr
[06:21] <mneptok> holycow: well, it's the shortcut to a media center
[06:21] <jcs7778> when you want to run a graphical application as root what is that comand i know your not supposed to use sudo?
[06:23] <mneptok> kdesu
[06:23] <jMerliN> -.- what's that command again for checking the renderer
[06:24] <mneptok> huh?
[06:24] <ardchoille> jMerliN: lgxinfo | grep render  ?
[06:24] <ardchoille> jMerliN: glxinfo | grep render  ?
[06:24] <jMerliN> yeah
[06:25] <jMerliN> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:25] <jMerliN> eh
[06:27] <jcs7778> mneptok: thanks!
[06:27] <Agent_bob> i think i'm back.
[06:28] <Agent_bob> hmmm looks like i timed out a few times in the porcess
[06:29] <Agent_bob> seeing that i don't like other people doing that i'll try to let that be the last time that happens
[06:29] <bazhang> kde-devel: hi
[06:30] <jMerliN> i got 1280x1024 resolution but no GL rendering capabilities lol
[06:30] <jMerliN> :s
[06:30] <jMerliN> using 'nvidia' as the renderer gives me that little KDE loading bar but nothing happens (like it's broken)
[06:33] <Agent_bob> you had rendering just a bit ago
[06:33] <Agent_bob> what happened
[06:34] <jMerliN> well i tried changing the tolerances in the xorg config manually because of the bug i was getting
[06:34] <jMerliN> ended up making xorg fail to start
[06:34] <jMerliN> so i used 'nv' as the driver and had the dpkg-reconfigure app re configure xorg for me
[06:34] <jMerliN> and got it to run with 1280x1024
[06:34] <jMerliN> but no rendering now lol
[06:34] <ardchoille> jMerliN: Restore from a back. You did make a backup before diting didn't you?
[06:34] <jMerliN> ardchoille: yes but xorg wont start with 'nvidia' as the driver
[06:35] <jMerliN> i'm about to re-install the driver again :s
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> badly configured kernel module?
[06:35] <ardchoille> jMerliN: [21:32]  <Agent_bob> you had rendering just a bit ago
[06:35] <ardchoille> jMerliN: Just restore the xorg.conf file you were using when you had rendering
[06:36] <jMerliN> ardchoille: i just said, when i try that it gives me the xorg loading bar but it just sits there like it does when you stop the xorg server
[06:36] <jMerliN> brb, reinstalling driver
[06:36] <bazhang> xorg just updated for Gutsy.
[06:36] <Doctor_Nick> :O
[06:37] <Alp-> well i'm just upgrading to gutsy. he downloaded all packages and began to install them. on 2 % i got some errors about not beeing able to install some packages, and now its stuck... what now?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> check #ubuntu+1 perhaps
[06:37] <Dr_willis> !gutsy
[06:37] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[06:37] <Dr_willis> Im there. :) got no clue really heh.. apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and pray?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> thers dozens of updates a day. could be a server issue.
[06:38] <Agent_bob> Alp- it's probably  cupsys  the package is broken.
[06:38] <Alp-> Dr_willis: k
[06:38] <Dr_willis> cups is supposubly fixed (or so the topic says in #ubuntu+1)
[06:38] <bazhang> cupsys is now fixed!
[06:38] <jMerliN> mk, all set
[06:38] <Agent_bob> oh did they get it ?    ok.
[06:38] <jMerliN> rendering working, 1280x1024 :D
[06:38] <Agent_bob> then the update should fix that.
[06:38] <bazhang> yes! can I endorse upgrading now...?
[06:39] <Agent_bob> bazhang if you'll walk them through it.
[06:39] <Alp-> but what can i do now?
[06:39] <Alp-> closing the update process gives me a warning that my system could be damaged
[06:39] <bazhang> I will.
[06:40] <Agent_bob> bazhang meet Alp-        Alp- meat bazhang
[06:40] <bazhang> Alp-: hi
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ACK!
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04basics.html?ex=1349150400&en=f1e147767abb91ac&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> love the fact that the NYT is taking a serious look at linux
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> hate the fact that they're endorsing automatix >:(
[06:42] <Agent_bob> i'm went now.   shalom "pinguinen"
[06:42] <Alp-> bazhang: hi ;)
[06:46] <pfein> anyone try to run kde apps (konversation, konqueror) under xfce?  they don't seem to be picking up existing configuration...
[06:46] <earl_> is there a kopete channel?
[06:46] <earl_> btw Jucato, i deleted some xine-config files, and the problem seems to have gotten much better
[06:48] <letalis> out of curiousity, would a telnet connection be seen through a router from outside if upnp isnt setup for it to be seen outside the network?
[06:49] <letalis> im wanting telnet primarily for maintenence on other systems in my home. but i dont want other people being able to access them
[06:50] <Dr_willis> letalis,  use ssh. theres no real need for telnet these days
[06:51] <Dr_willis> ssh has so many extra features its amazing. :)
[06:52] <Dr_willis> letalis,  as for  the telnet beign seen.. let a scanner site scan your network and see if it sees it.
[06:53] <letalis> im guessing if port forwarding isnt setup for telnet that the internet couldnt see it
[06:54] <Dr_willis> yea id hope most of those ports are disabled by default.
[06:54] <dsmith_> you know thats something I have yet to try, ssh over wan to my server
[06:54] <b0nza1> sup peeps
[06:55] <letalis> my gf's comp is a pos. and runs like one legged men in a marathon.
[06:55] <letalis> so i decided it needed linux.
[06:55] <letalis> lol
[06:55] <letalis> and it runs far better than windows ever did
[06:55] <dsmith_> drop in a LIve CD and hit Go
[06:55] <b0nza1> could be worse.. you could have decided to run vista..hahhahaha
[06:56] <dsmith_> I have a dell dimensions 2300 POS running Fiesty Xubuntu at the office for a guest CD
[06:56] <holycow> letalis: cool beans dude :)
[06:56] <letalis> but shes not initiated in the world of unix administration. thats where i come in
[06:56] <dsmith_> IT vendors use and are like wtf is this
[06:56] <holycow> letalis: thats where you want to keep it too
[06:57] <holycow> windows users are told it is okay to be a user and an administrator
[06:57] <letalis> but ive never actually enabled telnet on a linux system as ive heard way to many bad things baout it
[06:57] <holycow> and not take any responsibility for doing eithe rjob well
[06:57] <b0nza1> if your not going to dual boot and dont need the data.. .wipe the drive
[06:57] <holycow> letalis: you should never enable telent on anything
[06:57] <dsmith_> i use telnet on some NAS's at the office
[06:57] <holycow> you need new nas's
[06:57] <holycow> :)
[06:57] <dsmith_> nah
[06:57] <dsmith_> NASlite
[06:57] <jcs7778> how do i make applications auto start on login?
[06:58] <hydrogen> !session
[06:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about session - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:58] <hydrogen> meh
[06:58] <dsmith_> I should know the ans. to that question
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i just realized the one feature that AWN doesn't have that i would like
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> and i can't believe i've missed it for this long :\
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> icon zoom.
[07:00] <letalis> as far as ssh is concerned, isnt it pretty much a ssl secured telnet connection?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> letalis,  it has a lot of other features also.. tunnling, scp,  (wich i use with windows  and winscp)
[07:01] <dsmith_> letalis: yes
[07:01] <Dr_willis> ssh is so common now a days. its worth learning all about is another good reason to use/learn it.
[07:01] <dsmith_> for those you setting up multiple linux pc's
[07:01] <Dr_willis> but this is linux. :) use what you like.
[07:01] <dsmith_> check out ncomputing.com
[07:02] <dsmith_> 7+ users per pc :)
[07:03] <jMerliN> linux > windows
[07:03] <holycow> we looked at that
[07:03] <holycow> but we are far too distributed for that to be usefull
[07:03] <holycow> instead we have standard images and just deploy that
[07:03] <holycow> when next lts hits we will just send out hd's with new images preinstalled and swap them
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: that's like saying life > death
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> it's kinda...  duh :)
[07:03] <dsmith_> lol
[07:04] <holycow> dsmith_: those are great for schools tho
[07:04] <dsmith_> holycow: yea
[07:04] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: matter of taste?
[07:04] <dsmith_> I am going to setup a build of 4 terminals per linux cd for each remote office
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> Tm_T: *shrugs*  if you can call liking windows having taste :D
[07:04] <Tm_T> well thats offtopic
[07:05] <modestymaster> pardon the n00b question, but can someone please tell me (or direct me to the appropriate section of TFM) whether (k)ubuntu support x86_64 processors?
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> but as i've said before, it has its strong points, and it has its uses, and if someone wants to use it, they're free to do so
[07:05] <dsmith_> every time I ran Gutsy as a virtual image, and tried to update it. It would crash
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> modestymaster: there is a 64 bit version, yes
[07:06] <modestymaster> I see support for AMD64 and EM64T Xeon, but nit x86_64.
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> x86_64 = amd64
[07:06] <modestymaster> cool
[07:06] <holycow> modestymaster: FANTASTICALLY asked question :)
[07:06] <modestymaster> I tread lightly on IRC :)
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there are no stupid questions :)
[07:06] <dsmith_> heh
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> well, there are a few
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but that wasn't one of them
[07:07] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: i wouldn't say to that degree but more like.. being healthy > being in a coma
[07:07] <jMerliN> :D
[07:07] <holycow> your ircfu is strong padawan
[07:07] <dsmith_> lol
[07:07] <dsmith_> i jus' installed this 8buntu, where be my windows apps go?
[07:07] <dsmith_> needless to say I was asked that
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> in a cd shredder
[07:07] <dsmith_> lol
[07:07] <jMerliN> dsmith_: they go into /dev/null ftw :s
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> but that isn't always an option either
[07:08] <dsmith_> Hey, Vista install nicely into a shredder..
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i have to run xp in virtualbox for school
[07:09] <holycow> dsmith_: seriously?
[07:09] <dsmith_> holycow: what>?
[07:09] <holycow> i mean the former not th elatter
[07:09] <dsmith_> was I asked that??
[07:10] <dsmith_> yea...
[07:10] <pagan0ne> i have a intresting problem if someone could help me with adept manager, i would appreciate it
[07:10] <jMerliN> shoot pagan0ne
[07:10] <holycow> pagan0ne: ask away bro
[07:10] <holycow> jMerliN: looks like he's up to speed already
[07:10] <dsmith_> I dont want to shoot anyone... :(
[07:11] <holycow> jMerliN: if we didn't manage to scare you away earlier, you may yet prove to be a jedi :)
[07:11] <bazhang> hahaha
[07:11] <pagan0ne> im trying to reinstall kopete, because it seemed broken, i went into adept manager, and went to mark it reinstall, however, it couldnt commit changes... when i looked at the package, the description for kopete was labled as NVIDIA binary kernel module.... etc... any ideas?
[07:11] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmmm
[07:12] <dsmith_> isn't kopete part of kubuntu-desktop?
[07:12] <jMerliN> yes it is
[07:12] <jMerliN> what is kopete doing?
[07:12] <Tm_T> !kopete
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <Tm_T> wha?
[07:12] <Tm_T> !im
[07:12] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:13] <pagan0ne> i launch it, it asks for the password, i enter it, and it crashes with a signal 11 SIGSEGV error
[07:13] <dsmith_> pagan0ne: I just looked in adept and it mentions nothing of Nvidia
[07:13] <dsmith_> oh so it crashes
[07:13] <pagan0ne> dsmith_: yes i know, its description is wrong, it kinda has me concerned
[07:13] <dsmith_> strange
[07:13] <pagan0ne> ok, let me re-word what happens
[07:14] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: can you try apt-get?
[07:14] <jMerliN> have you tried removing then re-installing it through shell?
[07:14] <jMerliN> sudo apt-get remove kopete
[07:14] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall kopete"
[07:14] <pagan0ne> when i launched kopete, it asked for a password, and crashed with a signal 11, then i went to reinstall it in adept, where i noticed that the description of the kopete package was NVIDIA...
[07:14] <Tm_T> jMerliN: no need to remove
[07:16] <pagan0ne> hrm
[07:17] <pagan0ne> http://pastebin.ca/726428
[07:17] <pagan0ne> is the error from apt-get update
[07:18] <dsmith_> I swear it seems 64 bit is buggy
[07:18] <pagan0ne> Reinstallation of kopete is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[07:18] <pagan0ne> is the apt server offline maby?
[07:19] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: ok, can you also paste your sources.list ?
[07:19] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: and no it should not be
[07:20] <pagan0ne> http://pastebin.ca/726430
[07:21] <dsmith_> hmmm didnt know automatix does kde4 now
[07:22] <holycow> please don't tell us your using it
[07:22] <holycow> also
[07:22] <holycow> please never again repeat that word in here
[07:22] <dsmith_> lol
[07:22] <pagan0ne> havent touched automatix since since i installed it pretty much, all i have from automatix is swiftfox and google software
[07:22] <killermach> ok.. I'm still trying to get a good 1680x1050 resolution from my external Syncmaster 225BW monitor I have plugged into my laptop.. and..
[07:22] <killermach> I'm close
[07:22] <killermach> I have kubuntu, and the login screen for user/pass looks great.. but
[07:22] <dsmith_> i stopped using it sometime ago
[07:23] <killermach> once I login ... my external monitor says no signal and the powerlight starts flashing .. sleep mode I think
[07:23] <dsmith_> ya know, I never had a problem with it
[07:23] <pagan0ne> dsmith_: i pretty much installed it to help someone else with it, like i said i just installed swiftfox aand some google stuff with it, nothing more
[07:23] <killermach> anyone know why the login splash screen would have proper resolution but then after login no monitor?
[07:23] <holycow> i don't understand why people insist on using it
[07:23] <dsmith_> pagan0ne: I used it a few times with no problems in the past
[07:23] <holycow> when a MUCH BETTER piece of crap exists called easy ubuntu
[07:23] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: well apparently your sources.list is carbage because of it, time to make new one
[07:23] <dsmith_> holycow: I know, no need to
[07:23] <dsmith_> lol
[07:24] <holycow> or even you know, add the right repos and just install
[07:24] <Tm_T> !easysource | pagan0ne
[07:24] <ubotu> pagan0ne: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:24] <pagan0ne> dsmith_: most people i know havent had problems with it, but where im on 64 bit i dont like useing it
[07:24] <Tm_T> !automatix | pagan0ne
[07:24] <ubotu> pagan0ne: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[07:24] <pagan0ne> Tm_T: im perfectly arare but thanks :)
[07:24] <pagan0ne> aware*
[07:24] <pagan0ne> i honestly dont think its automatix related though
[07:24] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: and still use it and ask support from us ;)
[07:25] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: this borkage IS automatix related if you didnt break your sources.list yourself
[07:25] <bazhang> pagan0ne: the servers are getting hammered right now.
[07:25] <pagan0ne> Tm_T: like i said i really havent used it except for 2 programs, when i first installed it months ago, and havent touched it since
[07:25] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: doesnt matter
[07:26] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: just lets fix this ok
[07:26] <bazhang> pagan0ne: I normally get 200+kbs dl, but only 22k now.
[07:26] <pagan0ne> ok Tm_T im not trying to be hard about this, but i do appreciate the help
[07:26] <killermach> here is my xorg pastebin http://pastebin.com/m5f13675
[07:26] <bootsmorris> is kde 4 worth upgrading to
[07:26] <bazhang> no
[07:26] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: I know, see that easysource factoid
[07:27] <bazhang> kde4 is unusable
[07:27] <bootsmorris> oh
[07:27] <bootsmorris> ic
[07:27] <Tm_T> !away > D[a] rkH[a] ck
[07:27] <bazhang> hahaa
[07:28] <bazhang> why?
[07:28] <hydrogen> shazam
[07:29] <hydrogen> teach you to go away for a month or two
[07:29] <dsmith_> lol
[07:29] <hydrogen> .. or use brackets in your name
[07:29] <hydrogen> with tm_t it could be either
[07:29] <bazhang> haha
[07:29] <dsmith_> should'nt you have warned?
[07:30] <bootsmorris> what can i do to get some of the cool icons that are suppodes to be in kde4
[07:30] <hydrogen> don't.
[07:30] <hydrogen> they arn't cool.
[07:30] <hydrogen> they are horrid.
[07:30] <bazhang> bootsmorris: wait until december
[07:30] <bootsmorris> ok
[07:30] <bazhang> bootsmorris: it's really ugggly now.
[07:30] <bootsmorris> i guess that is what ill do.  what version of kubuntu are yall running
[07:30] <bazhang> 3.5.7
[07:31] <bazhang> in Kubuntu gutsy beta.
[07:31] <bootsmorris> same here
[07:31] <bootsmorris> i like it
[07:31] <bazhang> Though this does not feel like a beta...
[07:31] <Tm_T> guys, you're slipping to chit chat, #kubuntu-offtopic thanks
[07:31] <bazhang> Tm_T: sorry.
[07:31] <Tm_T> np
[07:31] <bootsmorris> what is katapult
[07:31] <Tm_T> !katapult
[07:32] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[07:32] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: did you get working it?
[07:33] <pagan0ne> Tm_T: im still trying, the source-o-matic generated me a source file, however it seems alot of those servers are down, or maby the dont maintain a amd64 branch?
[07:34] <Tm_T> hum?
[07:34] <pagan0ne> Tm_T: i got kopere reinstalled, still craching with signal11 on launch though
[07:35] <Tm_T> pagan0ne: hmmm, install kdenetwork-dbg and run it from konsole
[07:37] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi all, test, ignore it, Im showing the wonders of IRC to a co-worker
[07:39] <pagan0ne> hrm, kopete just loaded fine w/o a crash!
[07:39] <Tm_T> good
[07:40] <pagan0ne> just randomly, i didnt do anything except install librss1 and am downloading kdenetwork-dbg
[07:40] <dsmith_> pagan0ne: So your up and running now?
[07:40] <pagan0ne> as far as i can tell, thanks!
[07:41] <pagan0ne> seems like i may be having some network connectivity issues
[07:41] <pagan0ne> ymessanger wont connect now, but i can handle that
[07:41] <pagan0ne> :)
[07:43] <jimmacdonald> can someone tell me how to change the screen resolution on my LOGIN screen?
[07:45] <bootsmorris> can someone tell me how to enable processor scaling
[07:50] <ubuntu__> hi, i m stuck in kubuntu installation PLZ HELp!
[07:50] <pwnt-> why are you stuck.
[07:50] <bazhang> gutsy?
[07:51] <bootsmorris> what about a custom kerenel
[07:52] <Tm_T> !kernel | bootsmorris
[07:52] <ubotu> bootsmorris: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:52] <Daisuke_Ido> don't need a custom kernel for processor scaling
[07:52] <Daisuke_Ido> *if* your processor supports it, look at cpufreqd or powernowd
[07:53] <Tm_T> ubuntu__: unless you tell your problem theres little we can help
[07:53] <ubuntu__> yes..
[07:54] <ubuntu__> see i hv windows xp on my c drive , d drive is empty, e & f are filled with imp data
[07:54] <ubuntu__> r u listenin?
[07:54] <Jester> ......
[07:54] <ubuntu__> kk
[07:54] <Jester> all hail the new generation of linux users
[07:54] <ubuntu__> now i got this Kubuntu live cd and m currently runnin it
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing the problem is that you don't know what drive is what, because linux doesn't do drive letters.
[07:55] <ubuntu__> in THE STORAGE MEDIA
[07:55] <ubuntu__> (wait0
[07:55] <ubuntu__> it shows all my drives and I recognise them too
[07:55] <ubuntu__> but it doesnt open them!!
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfs
[07:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:56] <bootsmorris> ubuntu wont do ntfs drives
[07:56] <ubuntu__> WHAT!!
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> bootsmorris: BS.
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> don't spread misinformation.
[07:56] <bootsmorris> not off the live cd
[07:56] <tetreaul> my ntfs drive is mounted
[07:56] <jMerliN> anyone here ever installed winamp on kubuntu?
[07:56] <ubuntu__> so...i can never ubuntu
[07:56] <tetreaul> ah, that might be different...
[07:56] <dsmith_> no
[07:56] <ubuntu__> then
[07:56] <holycow> you just cant really write to an ntfs partition
[07:56] <dsmith_> xmms is a clone
[07:56] <bootsmorris> i tried it every way possibe and no workie
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: amarok :)
[07:56] <Jester> last time I booted the livecd ntfs partition were mounted.. and read-write
[07:56] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: ?
[07:56] <holycow> there is a driver to let you werite to ntfs but i'm not sure its a good idea to trust it
[07:56] <dsmith_> !amarok
[07:56] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[07:57] <jMerliN> i want winamp though :( :(
[07:57] <dsmith_> !xmms
[07:57] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: then check out xmms
[07:57] <Jester> !audacious
[07:57] <ubotu> audacious is included in !Feisty. A !repository also exists for !Edgy: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a winamp clone
[07:57] <ubuntu__> can i make all my partitions FAT 32 again? and then..
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> audacious is even better :D
[07:57] <dsmith_> i use xmms, works fine
[07:57] <ubuntu__> HELLP HELLP?
[07:57] <Jester> xmms belongs in the past, audacious++
[07:57] <tetreaul> ubuntu__ what on earth for?
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: ntfs-3g is actually remarkably stable with windows xp-version ntfs
[07:58] <Tm_T> ubuntu__: what you're trying to do? install Ubuntu to ntfs partition?
[07:58] <ubuntu__> how do we convert ntfs to fat32 without formatting?
[07:58] <tetreaul> ubuntu__ why do you want to do this?
[07:58] <Jester> partition magic ?
[07:58] <jMerliN> Amarok have radio?
[07:58] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido: i've read that but then again, its a reverse engineered file system
[07:59] <holycow> one that changes with each version of win
[07:59] <holycow> not a terribly googd idea to keep on using it i think
[07:59] <prateekjain> well...will then kubuntu work?
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: and as i said, if you're not using vista's ntfs, you're fine
[07:59] <Jester> holycow: it hasn't changed much from 2k to vista, and not at all between xp and vista
[07:59] <Tm_T> prateekjain: what you're exactly trying to do?
[07:59] <holycow> you might be better off getting an ext3 driver for windows and using that
[07:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, i was thinking there was an update with vista
[08:00] <Tm_T> prateekjain: trying to install Kubuntu?
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> ntfs-3g *is* stable and works just fine :)
[08:00] <holycow> jester you could be right, considering all the vista changes tho i find it hard to believe its the same as the xp version?
[08:00] <MS-Suse> do i need zeroconf for file sharing over network?
[08:00] <killermach> there is an update for vista.. we call it kubuntu
[08:00] <holycow> ext3 is stable too, install that driver on windows and use that instead
[08:00] <Tm_T> holycow: stop that for now, when we try do support
[08:01] <holycow> okay good point sorry
[08:01] <jMerliN> Does amarok play radio?
[08:01] <Tm_T> jMerliN: yes
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: oh, oh lord yes :D
[08:01] <jMerliN> let me look around for 10 minutes to find them
[08:01] <jMerliN> if i can't, i'll ask :>
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> playlist tab
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> radio :)
[08:02] <Tm_T> prateekjain: yes?
[08:02] <jMerliN> No suitable demux plugin >.<
[08:02] <prateekjain> tm_t: yes i wanna install kubuntu
[08:03] <tetreaul> prateekjain: just use one of your empty partitions and format accordingly
[08:03] <Tm_T> prateekjain: then use separate partition for it, if you have unused drive/partition just use that
[08:03] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: no suitable demux!
[08:03] <jMerliN> i neeeeeeed musicz!
[08:03] <prateekjain> tm_t: ya but its NTFS
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: ah, do you have mp3 support isntalled?
[08:04] <Tm_T> prateekjain: just tell installer to reformat it
[08:04] <jMerliN> lol if it's not in Kubuntu by default, then no.
[08:04] <jMerliN> i haven't configured my packages etc yet
[08:04] <jMerliN> that's next
[08:04] <jMerliN> but i wanted music while doing it :D
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: are you using feisty?
[08:04] <jMerliN> lolx
[08:04] <jMerliN> yes
[08:04] <prateekjain> tm_t reformat to what?
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> then just 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[08:04] <prateekjain> *$*^^$&^%&^^%&^^
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> that is a bit of an issue
[08:04] <jMerliN> ok
[08:04] <jMerliN> should come standard shouldn't it?
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[08:05] <jMerliN> or is that one of those "non-official" codecs
[08:05] <jMerliN> because of copyright
[08:05] <prateekjain> UBUNTU CAN READ NTFS WHY THE HECK CANT KUBUNTU
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> copyright issues
[08:05] <Tm_T> prateekjain: it can
[08:05] <Daisuke_Ido> !caps
[08:05] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:05] <tetreaul> prateekjain: Kubuntu can read ntfs
[08:05] <Tm_T> prateekjain: but installing to ntfs is totally different
[08:05] <tetreaul> what he said ^
[08:05] <tetreaul> lol
[08:05] <Tm_T> prateekjain: to ext3, IIRC that Kubuntu installer offers it straight away
[08:05] <prateekjain> kk
[08:06] <Tm_T> !patience | prateekjain
[08:06] <ubotu> prateekjain: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:06] <Daisuke_Ido> g'mornin jhutchins
[08:06] <prateekjain> i opologise for my misbehaviour
[08:06] <jMerliN> YAY!
[08:06] <jMerliN> music!
[08:06] <Tm_T> prateekjain: np
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[08:07] <jMerliN> sucks that it's on my integrated audio though
[08:07] <jMerliN> creative needs to make 32bit SB X-Fi drivers now :(
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: at least it exists :D
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> ...where the heck is my mp3 player :\
[08:08] <jMerliN> it runned away
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> apparently so
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> 4gb of running away :(
[08:08] <jMerliN> :s
[08:08] <jMerliN> 4GB mp3 player?
[08:08] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[08:08] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:08] <jMerliN> why so massive?
[08:08] <jMerliN> late night trance + package configuring = fun times
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it's a flash player, sansa e260, a great player for linux users, works great with amarok
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> and now i stop being offtopic
[08:09] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[08:10] <jMerliN> oh ok lol
[08:10] <jMerliN> i got tired of windows again and went back to linux :s
[08:13] <stephen> does anyone know if compiz-fusion has an IRC channel?
[08:13] <pagan0ne> stephen: /join #compiz-fusion
[08:13] <stephen> thank you
[08:13] <stephen> #j #compiz-fusion
[08:14] <stdin> close :)
[08:14] <pagan0ne> if in doubt try t first
[08:14] <stephen> hehe, whoops
[08:14] <chuy_max> how do I enable flash in Konqueror?
[08:14] <stephen> has anyone in here heard of Anjuta C++ IDE?
[08:14] <pagan0ne> stephen: you can just click the link to #compiz-fusion <-- here if your using konversation
[08:14] <stdin> chuy_max: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#head-4b931137affcbddef2ac9102a3d9fafde91f869f
[08:14] <jMerliN> yes stephen
[08:15] <stephen> i downloaded it using the ubuntu repository for it....and the IDE looks NOTHING like the screenshots on the website, any ideas on what went wrong?
[08:16] <jMerliN> try downloading it from the website, it may be more up to date than the package in the repository
[08:16] <stephen> i would ask in their irc channel, but no one is in it right now
[08:16] <Tm_T> prateekjain: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall
[08:16] <Tm_T> prateekjain: does that help?
[08:16] <stephen> im still kind of new to linux and im not sure how to install from the source
[08:16] <jMerliN> they should have a guide there for you to follow
[08:18] <pagan0ne> stephen: if you dont see a guide, try reading the README's included within the package
[08:18] <stephen> if there is one on its website (anjuta.sourceforge.net) i dont see it
[08:19] <jMerliN> grrr konversation doesn't have mIRC commands
[08:19] <jMerliN> >.< so used to doing /run
[08:19] <jMerliN> lol
[08:20] <jMerliN> ok well first off stephen, make sure you've got all the dependancies
[08:21] <purpleposeidon> I still haven't figured out while windows puts escapes in the filenames...
[08:21] <plzzz> well can any body help me in ubuntu installation
[08:21] <purpleposeidon> s/while/why
[08:21] <stdin> sepeck: open konsole and do "sudo apt-get install anjuta" or open Adept and install from there
[08:21] <jMerliN> purpleposeidon: ?? what do you mean?
[08:21] <bazhang> hi stdin
[08:21] <Tm_T> plzzz: yes?
[08:22] <jMerliN> stephen check inside the anjuta tarball, there's likely a readme file in it
[08:22] <stdin> hey
[08:22] <stephen> hmmm.....this is an interesting error......"/lib/cpp fails sanity check"
[08:22] <plzzz> tm: tell whats "DISTRO"
[08:22] <bazhang> plzzz: what's the problem?
[08:22] <stdin> stephen: best not to compile software when it's in the repositories
[08:23] <jMerliN> stdin: he said he installed it from the repository and it doesn't look anything like the screenshots
[08:23] <jMerliN> it's likely a version difference, either the screenshots are very old or the package in the repository isn't updated (likely not?)
[08:23] <bazhang> plzzz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
[08:23] <plzzz> bazhang: My prob is a serious one...i hv a NTFS hdd and wanna install kubuntu (wow!)
[08:23] <jMerliN> alternatively he can always add the anjuta repository and use that to download anjuta and automate installation
[08:23] <stephen> yeah, the top of the IDE is supposed to somewhat resemble Visual studio, with like 10 tabs at the top, and i have 4 and none of them match the screenshot
[08:24] <jMerliN> plzzz: you have windows installed on a harddrive and want to install kubuntu on it as well?
[08:24] <bazhang> plzzz: ok. Feisty 7.04, or the newer one, Gutsy 7.10 beta?
[08:24] <stdin> !info anjuta
[08:24] <ubotu> anjuta: A GNOME development IDE for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.4a-5build1 (feisty), package size 913 kB, installed size 2144 kB
[08:24] <Tm_T> plzzz: all you need to do is create unpartitioned space and/or repartition existing one
[08:24] <Tm_T> bazhang: stop asking about gutsy =)
[08:24] <plzzz> bazhang: i hv windows xp and on other partitions imp data as well
[08:24] <bazhang> Tm_T: sooorrrry....
[08:24] <stdin> stephen: thought about using kdevelop ?
[08:25] <jMerliN> stdin: 2.4a?  lol the latest stable is like 2.2 something >.<
[08:25] <bazhang> plzzz: do you want to overwrite windows, or dual boot?
[08:25] <stdin> jMerliN: yeah, the one in gutsy is 2:2.2.0-1ubuntu2, so feisty is just a bit behind ;)
[08:25] <plzzz> bazhang: dual boot
[08:25] <stephen> i thought about it, and installed it, but i couldnt figure out how to compile from within the program itself, and the documentation wasnt helpful at all
[08:26] <bazhang> plzzz: do you have the liveCD?
[08:26] <plzzz> bazhang: this installer in kubuntu, i m afraid may put my data at risk.
[08:26] <jMerliN> stephen:
[08:26] <jMerliN> add their repository as per their instructions
[08:26] <plzzz> bazhang: I am currently running kubuntu from live cd
[08:26] <bazhang> plzzz: it's always a good idea to back up all your important data first.
[08:26] <jMerliN> and use adept to install it
[08:26] <plzzz> bazhang: i cant..it more than 50 GB
[08:27] <stephen> whats adept?
[08:27] <jMerliN> Add deb http://anjuta.org/apt ./ in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:27] <jMerliN>  sudo apt-get update
[08:27] <jMerliN>  sudo apt-get install anjuta
[08:27] <stdin> plzzz: if you don't want to test unstable software, use feisty not gutsy
[08:27] <bazhang> plzzz: I see. and none of it is backed up?
[08:27] <stephen> i did all that
[08:27] <jMerliN> adept is the package manager in kubuntu
[08:27] <stephen> im using GNOME right now, the kubuntu package seems to be broken everytime i go to install it
[08:27] <plzzz> bazhang: but whats feisty/gutsy?
[08:27] <jMerliN> then yours will be synaptic i believe
[08:28] <plzzz> bazhang: i heard feisty fawn b4
[08:28] <stdin> stephen: you're on gnome? you'll find more help in #ubuntu
[08:28] <stdin> plzzz: they are the release names of different versions
[08:28] <stephen> how much different can ubuntu's functionality be between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[08:28] <plzzz> bazhang: also this storage media folder shows all my partitions but does not read it
[08:28] <bazhang> plzzz: Feisty is the most stable version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu; Gutsy is the release cming in eleven days
[08:28] <bazhang> coming
[08:29] <jMerliN> i wouldn't suggest going with gutsy until the final release
[08:29] <jMerliN> at the moment it's rather buggy >.>
[08:29] <bazhang> ha!
[08:29] <plzzz> bazhang: it gives a error..
[08:29] <plzzz> bazhang: hw do i know which version is this live cd of?
[08:29] <bazhang> what is the error plzzz?
[08:30] <bazhang> plzzz: where did you download it from?
[08:30] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: yes and no :)  it all depends on what you do with it, i'm still running feisty on the desktop, but went to gutsy on the laptop :D
[08:30] <plzzz> bazhang: "mount cant find   dev/sda1'
[08:30] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: gutsy was a nightmare with my desktop lol
[08:30] <jMerliN> feisty i've had 0 problems with
[08:30] <bazhang> stdin: ?
[08:30] <plzzz> bazhang: well i got it shipped..i hv ORIGINAL cd
[08:30] <jMerliN> except the video stuff but that wasn't too bad
[08:31] <stdin> bazhang: ?
[08:31] <stephen> why has the package respository for kubuntu been broken for a few weeks now?
[08:31] <jMerliN> stdin: are you a developer with kubuntu?
[08:31] <plzzz> bazhang: sir, 1 of my buds say dat ubuntu doesnt support ntfs
[08:31] <bazhang> stdin: cannot find /dev/sda1
[08:32] <bazhang> !ntfs
[08:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:32] <stdin> bazhang: the full error message is actually "mount can't find /dev/sda1 in fstab"
[08:32] <bazhang> stdin: sorry.
[08:32] <stdin> bazhang: because it's not in fstab it can't auto-mount, so manual mount time
[08:33] <stdin> jMerliN: not quite
[08:33] <bazhang> plzzz: did you see that?
[08:34] <stdin> plzzz: just remember, you can not work on the disk (partition) while any part of it is in use
[08:35] <bazhang> jMerliN: did you get radio working?
[08:35] <plzzz> bazhang: ??
[08:35] <plzzz> bazhang: ??
[08:35] <jMerliN> bazhang: yes i did :>
[08:35] <bazhang> plzzz: hi.
[08:35] <plzzz> bazhang: well!
[08:36] <jMerliN> listening to techno now on digitally imported
[08:36] <jMerliN> lol
[08:36] <bazhang> plzzz: [14:34]  <stdin> plzzz: just remember, you can not work on the disk (partition) while any part of it is in use
[08:37] <plzzz> bazhang: k..but i m using a live cd!
[08:41] <bazhang> plzzz: I would recommend you back up some of that data first.
[08:42] <chuy_max> stdin: Extra Step for Konqueror. In Konqueror, click Settings  Configure Konqueror. Scroll down the side to Plugins. Click Scan for new plugins
[08:42] <stdin> always backup, even if you're not (re)installing. in fact, always backup your backups too
[08:42] <chuy_max> konqueror doesn't have plugins stdin
[08:42] <chuy_max> plugins menu
[08:43] <jMerliN> Adept Installer is so sluggish >.>,
[08:43] <jMerliN> nothing should be sluggish on this computer
[08:43] <chuy_max> I see: behavior, appearance, previews & metadata, etc, but no plugins stdin, any idea?
[08:43] <Jucato> chuy_max: check if you have konqueror-nsplugins installed
[08:43] <stdin> chuy_max: yes it does, http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3269/test8nw2.jpg
[08:43] <plzzz> ALL:is there any way to run kubuntu directly from HDD without installing?
[08:43] <Jucato> chuy_max: it should be near the bottom of the list
[08:44] <stdin> plzzz: no, running it from the HDD is installing it
[08:44] <plzzz> ALL: i mean..just copy it and the way it runs from CD same way from HDD!
[08:44] <chuy_max> Jucato, I don't have nsplugins, installing them right now :)
[08:44] <bazhang> plzzz: you can run it in liveCD mode, and save your work to a USB flash drive.
[08:45] <plzzz> bazhang: but its too slow
[08:45] <plzzz> i mean not so slow..but WINE is very slow
[08:45] <jMerliN> plzzz: wine isn't very slow
[08:45] <bazhang> plzzz: I would be concerned about that 50G of unbacked up data..
[08:45] <chuy_max> wine is buggy
[08:45] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: i bet it is on the live cd
[08:46] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido: well there.. yeah i would expect so :s
[08:46] <jMerliN> very little ram available to do much of anything because the entire O/S is loaded into ram
[08:46] <jMerliN> lol
[08:46] <Daisuke_Ido> plzzz: so like, running a LiveHD or something?
[08:46] <Daisuke_Ido> that's incredibly....  wow, there are no words.
[08:46] <plzzz> Ya Ya...daisuke got my point
[08:46] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want to run from the hard drive, install it and it'll run faster
[08:46] <Daisuke_Ido> plzzz: just because i got your point doesn't mean it makes any sense.
[08:47] <plzzz> no my friend..i cant intsall it
[08:47] <jMerliN> you wouldn't want to if you could
[08:47] <bazhang> very fast
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> why?
[08:47] <jMerliN> because the live cd version isn't using a pagefile iirc
[08:47] <plzzz> coz my hdd is ntfs :(
[08:47] <jMerliN> pagefile/swap partition
[08:47] <jMerliN> plzzz: the installer will reformat your hdd for you.
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> plzzz: ffs, install partitionmagic and free up 20gb on the hard drive as unpartitioned space, then install the farking thing
[08:47] <bazhang> do the mods ever sleep?
[08:47] <jMerliN> and you can have it repartition it as well
[08:48] <stdin> bazhang: sleep? what's that?
[08:48] <bazhang> hahahaha
[08:48] <chuy_max> argh, I still can't see youtube videos
[08:48] <chuy_max> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
[08:48] <plzzz> daisuke: its already not showing all my partitions...
[08:48] <bazhang> stdin: are you a long-time linux user?
[08:48] <chuy_max> according to konqueror, I have libflashplayer.so installed
[08:48] <bazhang> sorry offtopic
[08:48] <Jucato> chuy_max: do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[08:49] <chuy_max> Jucato, yup, firefox works
[08:49] <MS-Suse> bazhang, do me a favor, join #suse and ask them if ms-suse can play xbox360 games yet
[08:49] <stdin> bazhang: it is ot, but yeah, you could say that
[08:49] <Jucato> chuy_max: click on the Scan for new plugins in the Plugins settings of KOnqueror
[08:49] <bazhang> MS-Suse: hahahaha
[08:49] <chuy_max> Jucato, yup, I did that
[08:49] <plzzz> daisuke: i m in a fix....is der any way to boot from a folder in ur HDD?
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[08:49] <bazhang> stdin: thanks
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> there's not
[08:49] <Jucato> chuy_max: is javascript enabled?
[08:49] <chuy_max> Jucato, plugins menu appeared with nsplugins, so I did that
[08:49] <plzzz> is der any way to boot from a folder in ur HDD?
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> you install it
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the installer will repartition
[08:49] <jMerliN> i'm just curious, are many apps in kubuntu scalable/multi-threaded ?
[08:49] <chuy_max> Jucato, it is enabled globally (according to configuration dialog in konqueror)
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> it's *DESIGNED* to fix that particular issue
 can kubuntu get installed in ntfs?
[08:50] <stdin> jMerliN: most apps are multi-threaded
[08:50] <chuy_max> Jucato, Enable JavaScript globally is checked
 can it read files and change them>
[08:50] <Jucato> chuy_max: ok last try.. open a new konqueror window?
[08:50] <plzzz> help !
[08:50] <MS-Suse> bazhang, then ask them if it "plays for sure"
[08:50] <carlinux> Hi, I did an update and my mouse is really slow, what should i do
[08:50] <Daisuke_Ido> OI!@
[08:50] <Daisuke_Ido> plzzz: listen
[08:50] <chuy_max> Jucato, I killed all konqueror windows, and started konqueror
[08:50] <Daisuke_Ido> it. will. repartition.
[08:50] <Jucato> weird..
[08:50] <Daisuke_Ido> it. will. fix. your. issue.
[08:50] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not "installing on ntfs"
[08:51] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: deep, calming breaths :)
[08:51] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: this has been going on for a while now
[08:51] <bazhang> om mani padme om
[08:51] <bazhang> MS-Suse: hahaha you do it!
[08:52] <plzzz> well thanks evrybdy 4 ur coperatn...long live ubuntu
[08:52] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway.  it's not installing on ntfs, it's creating another partition to install on.  it *will work*
[08:52] <bazhang> plzzz: no problem.
[08:52] <MS-Suse> bazhang, then u can tell them that the windows update is not working with your suse setup
[08:52] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[08:52] <Daisuke_Ido> what cooperation?
[08:52] <bazhang> MS-Suse: be careful of the ot.....
[08:52] <Daisuke_Ido> pull the other one, it's got bells on!
[08:52] <plzzz> ya ya
[08:52] <stdin> MS-Suse: this is not some proxy channel, if you want to ask a question the there, join and ask
 listen to me for the last time..
[08:53] <bazhang> hi ubuntu_
 i click on Install
 i move to step 1234
 i say him Manual Partition
[08:54] <MS-Suse> stdin, dude, where is my car??
[08:54] <bazhang> haha
 i click on my 40 GB empty partition
 i install it
[08:54] <stdin> MS-Suse: you can take this as a warning
[08:54] <stdin> stop that, plzzz
[08:54] <Daisuke_Ido> !enter | plzzz
[08:54] <ubotu> plzzz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:55] <stdin> we hall have back-scroll, we can read what was said without you re-posting it
[08:55] <jMerliN> you have a scroll wheel?  no way ;o!
[08:55] <stdin> s/hall/all/
ok..would it work now? would it read n write my all partitions now and windows kubuntu will live in harmony?
[08:55] <jMerliN> s/hall/all/ ???
i deserved a single response.....
[08:56] <stdin> jMerliN: it's sed (geek) speak for "Replace the 1st thing with the 2nd"
[08:56] <stdin> plzzz: stop that
[08:56] <tetreaul> jMerliN: substitute hall with all
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> you use the 40gb partition
 m sorry..but dear <Daisuke_Ido> is not answering..i am in a fix
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it will reformat it
[08:57] <tetreaul> plzzz: just clicking on it just tells the installer you want to format it if I remember correctly...
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> the installer will walk you through it
[08:58] <Jucato> stdin: he didn't
[08:58] <tetreaul> hehe
[08:58] <stdin> Jucato: it was implied
thanks then buddy i m trying it now..
[08:58] <Jucato> stdin: "but dear <Daisuke_Ido>"
[08:58] <bazhang> hahha
[08:58] <Jucato> now now, don't be jealous :)
[08:59] <stdin> Jucato: see, I'm not your dear, so I'm his :)
[08:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i try so hard to be mean, too
[08:59] <stdin> Jucato: go do some work....
[08:59] <stdin> Jucato: on the wiki :p
[08:59] <plzzz> the dear was directed to <Daisuke_Ido>
[08:59] <jMerliN> Does anyone know if "Advanced Linux Programming" is a good book ? :>
[08:59] <bazhang> haha
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: it's a bit of a misnomer
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> as "linux programming" refers to "advanced shell scripting" if i remember correctly
[09:00] <jMerliN> well no it's C++
[09:00] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido?
[09:00] <stdin> jMerliN: do you know any C++?
[09:00] <jMerliN> stdin: very much
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, then it may not be the same book i've seen
 !!!! what should i click..1) resize  2)use largest cont. space 3) Manual
[09:01] <stdin> jMerliN: then go work on KDE4, please? :p
[09:01] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: I guess he's referring to the one from Wrox
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> resize
how much?
[09:02] <jMerliN> Daisuke_Ido:  from the preface and first 2-3 pages of that book (it's an e-book and free) i gathered it doesn't attemp to teach C++ rather just jump into developing on linux from the basic stuff to advanced development in linux which is what i like :>
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> how much you think you'll need?
[09:02] <plzzz> well..i dont know..
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> jMerliN: sweet
[09:02] <plzzz> just tell min requirments and i will add 3 GB
[09:02] <jMerliN> stdin: depends on how well the job pays :D  hahaha, i'm going to modify some things in wine and customize kubuntu then work on a(n) OSS project(s)
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> plzzz: if you're going to be sharing storage space between windows and linux, 20gb should be a good size for a linux partition
[09:02] <plzzz> ok
 THE INSTALLER HAS CRASHED!! Thanks
[09:04] <Daisuke_Ido> it's 3 in the morning and i have class at 11.  def. time for sleep :\
[09:04] <bazhang> g'night
[09:04] <tetreaul> Daisuke_Ido: that's not too bad :P
[09:04] <tetreaul> Daisuke_Ido: it's 1 here and I have class at 8
[09:04] <tetreaul> lol
[09:05] <jMerliN> lol it's 2 here and I have class at 9:00 :> and i have to drive for 40 minutes to get there
[09:05] <jMerliN> lol
[09:05] <tetreaul> jMerliN: you def beat me :P
[09:05] <Daisuke_Ido> you all win
[09:05] <tetreaul> lol
[09:07] <jMerliN> as soon as i finish up learning a lot of the linux api and understanding the kernel / how everything works, i'll start working on OSS apps for it
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> there are days that i don't even know if Linus knows how everything works :D
[09:07] <jMerliN> lol
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but good luck :)
[09:07] <jMerliN> surely he does :>
[09:07] <jMerliN> all he does is the kernel stuff, that's fairly well documented
[09:07] <stdin> he probably doesn't
[09:08] <doug__> how do i install beryl in kde?
[09:08] <jMerliN> the major things are how is the kernel structured, how does ring0/ring3 work, api, driver api, kernel/user mode structures, and how the api work so i can exploit things
[09:08] <jMerliN> don't need to know absolutely everything lol
[09:09] <apparle> The KMix is not loading . What to do
[09:09] <stdin> doug__: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Beryl
[09:09] <stdin> apparle: Alt+F2 and put in  kmix
[09:10] <apparle> what do u mean by put in kmix
[09:10] <stdin> type it in and click Run
[09:10] <bazhang> doug__: Feisty?
[09:11] <doug__> stdin:  how do i also mount and have write read permision for ext2?
[09:11] <doug__> bazhang: yess feisty
[09:11] <apparle> I am on a public computer. I will try when I am home(No net at home)
[09:11] <stdin> doug__: add an entry for it in to your /etc/fstab
[09:11] <stdin> !fstab
[09:11] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:11] <apparle> what is Alt+F2
[09:12] <stdin> apparle: it open the Run Dialog, you press and hold Alt then press F2
[09:12] <doug__> stdin:  thanks
[09:12] <ubuntu__> hi
[09:12] <stdin> apparle: you can get to it from KMenu > Run Command
[09:12] <apparle> but it does not start when i click on the icon in the menu
[09:12] <stdin> what doesn't start?
[09:12] <apparle> I mean Kmix in multimedia
[09:13] <ubuntu__> i wanted to change my wallpapre how to do it? seems like i am not allowed to save any jpg on the wallpaper folder
[09:14] <stdin> ubuntu__: right click on the desktop > configure desktop, then just open the file you want
[09:14] <apparle> stdin: whenever i start kmix it shows loading kmix and then nothing happens
[09:14] <stdin> apparle: it'll be difficult to diagnose if you aren't on the system now
[09:14] <ubuntu__> the .jpg file is on the internet
[09:14] <ubuntu__> not on my local
[09:14] <apparle> still tell me what to do
[09:15] <doug__> im new to kde does anyone wana show me the ropes
[09:15] <stdin> ubuntu__: and you can't download it?
[09:15] <stdin> apparle: you need to be on the system
[09:15] <ubuntu__> when i save it on the "wallpaper" folder it wont allow me
[09:16] <stdin> ubuntu__: save it to your home directory
[09:16] <apparle> but i can never connect my PC to net. Then what should I do
[09:16] <doug__> and stdin the link for the mounting ext2 i dont get it read it 4 times
[09:17] <jMerliN> stdin: you know C++? :P
[09:17] <bazhang> ubuntu__: first save to computer, then choose configure desktop (right click on desktop), then go to where you saved file, and voila!
[09:17] <ubuntu__> oh i got it now :)
[09:17] <ubuntu__> thanks
[09:17] <bazhang> no problem
[09:17] <apparle> stdin: this started when i installed OSS sound drivers
[09:17] <stdin> doug__:  you add something like "/dev/sdb1  	/media/something  	ext2  	defaults  	0 2"  to your /etc/fstab file, where "/dev/sdb1" is the partition and "/media/something" is the place to mount it
[09:18] <stdin> jMerliN: learning it
[09:18] <ubuntu__> does mozilla works on kubuntu?
[09:18] <bazhang> ubuntu__: you can also get new wallpapers from kde-look.org; they are very nice...
[09:18] <ubuntu__> its really my first time on linux
[09:18] <ubuntu__> i like this http://metrocebu.org/cars/tuXperience.jpg
[09:18] <bazhang> sweet!
[09:18] <apparle> stdin: please help
[09:18] <ubuntu__> :)
[09:19] <ubuntu__> isnt it cool :D
[09:19] <jMerliN> ubuntu__: yes, mozilla works on kubuntu.
[09:19] <bazhang> ubuntu__: nice user-name!
[09:19] <ubuntu__> :)
[09:21] <apparle> hey ubuntu__ wallpaper's superb
[09:21] <doug__> stdin:  i have this in my fstab http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39623/
[09:21] <bazhang> so, in eleven short days, this channel will be all about Gutsy?
[09:21] <apparle> hey anybody else can diagnose why Kmix has stopped loading onPC
[09:22] <charlie5> anyone else having probs with usb hardrives after recent updates ? ... mine is mounted when i boot up and then after a while just seem to umount themselves ... i can then not even re-enable them thorugh system settings but have to reboot :/
[09:22] <doug__> stdin:  note that i am also with gnome and its sset to auto with gnome like that too
[09:23] <apparle> hello anybody here uses OSS sound drivers
[09:25] <apparle> hey any body who has ATi Sb450 sound card
[09:26] <apparle> hey anybody alive here
[09:26] <charlie5> mount: special device /dev/sdb8 does not exist
[09:26] <emilsedgh> apparle: yes, we are all alive
[09:26] <apparle> then at least you can say no
[09:27] <apparle> anybody uses Opensound drivers
[09:27] <apparle> or anybody has RC4107MA-RS2
[09:31] <ijacek> hi
[09:31] <ijacek> !cz
[09:31] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:31] <ijacek> O.o
[09:31] <Twoflower> grr
[09:31] <ijacek> lagy :D
[09:31] <apparle> help with OSS drivers
[09:32] <Capt_Carrot> there, goodnight
[09:32] <ijacek> :D
[09:32] <ijacek> what OSS ?
[09:33] <jMerliN> OSS is open source software
[09:33] <apparle> OSS : Open Sound System : It is any old sound driver system earlier to ALSA
[09:33] <apparle> does anybody use these drivers
[09:35] <jMerliN> -.- @ open sound system
[09:35] <bazhang> hi twoflower
[09:36] <bazhang> oops, Capt_Carrot
[09:36] <snitch> what is a good client that i can use on my yahoo messenger?
[09:37] <apparle> jMerliN : do u know why Kmix stopped loading when i installed ALSA
[09:37] <snitch> xchat is a good irc client?
[09:37] <apparle> sorry OSS
[09:37] <bazhang> snitch: pidgin
[09:37] <apparle> Please forget above two sentence
[09:37] <bazhang> !pidgin
[09:37] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[09:38] <apparle> jMerliN : do u know why Kmix stopped loading when i installed OSS
[09:38] <jMerliN> no i don't
[09:39] <apparle> can u diagnose why
[09:39] <apparle> or tell me what to do about it
[09:39] <bazhang> apart from having to manually delete all the session cookies, etc manually, I really like Konqueror more than Firecrash er Firefox
[09:40] <jMerliN> bazhang: edit it to delete old cookies on start :>
[09:40] <snitch> thanks
[09:40] <apparle> jMerliN: Kmix started when I installed OSS but stopped loading when I restarted my PC
[09:41] <apparle> jMerliN: are u listening
[09:41] <bazhang> jMerliN: what about history, cache, etc.?
[09:41] <bazhang> jMerliN: thanks!
[09:41] <snitch> another question :) what email client can you recommen on kubuntu?
[09:41] <apparle> anybody expert in linux here
[09:42] <bazhang> snitch: thunderbird
[09:42] <bazhang> !thunderbird
[09:42] <ubotu> a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[09:42] <snitch> cool
[09:42] <snitch> thanks
[09:42] <bazhang> no problem!
[09:43] <Tm_T> snitch: I'd say, use Kmail
[09:47] <apparle> how to troubleshoot Kmix
[09:47] <Tm_T> !sound
[09:47] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:48] <Tm_T> apparle: see those
[09:48] <apparle> i donot have problem with sound I wanna know why kmix crashes
[09:49] <Tm_T> apparle: hmm, have you tried running it from konsole?
[09:49] <apparle> how to
[09:49] <Tm_T> open konsole and run kmix from it
[09:49] <Tm_T> !konsole | apparle
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <Tm_T> hu
[09:49] <Tm_T> !bash | apparle
[09:49] <snitch> guys im connecting using xchat. which part of it can i change the port number of the server?
[09:49] <ubotu> apparle: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:50] <Jucato> !exploit
[09:50] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[09:50] <Jucato> snitch: ^^^^
[09:51] <apparle> i will try when i am home. Also tell me what to do with the problem (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3439341)
[09:51] <snitch> :P
[09:53] <admin_> hi
[09:53] <apparle> Anybody knows how to play MIDI files
[09:54] <fawx> i'm using the wine program..where i'mmmmm using the maplestory installer..i have all the other programs need 2 make the game work but i can't see the icon 4 the game 2 start can any1 help?
[09:54] <fawx> srry 4 all tha m's
[09:55] <fawx> no1...
[09:56] <apparle> how to play RMVBin kaffiene
[09:56] <fawx> ..ugh
[09:56] <snowdonkey> Hey.  I want to create a panel shortcut for the game AssaultCube.  To run the game, I have to "cd" to the folder and do "./assaultcube".  For the executable option for the shortcut, can I make 2 commands -- one to "cd" to the right folder and another to do "./assaultcube"?
[09:57] <snowdonkey> Having as one command "/opt/assaultcube/asaultcube.sh" doesn't work.
[09:58] <apparle> how to get real media in kaffiene
[09:59] <snowdonkey> apparle: real media?
[09:59] <apparle> .rm realplayer
[09:59] <fawx> !wine
[09:59] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:00] <ijacek> yeah wine :D
[10:00] <apparle> snowdonkey: i mean real player files
[10:00] <ijacek> what u need emulated :
[10:01] <apparle> .rm .rmvb .rma .rmv etc
[10:01] <snowdonkey> apparle: Gotcha.  not sure myself.  Doesn't Mplayer play real player?
[10:03] <apparle> yes. I want to play them through kaffiene. in xine parameters-decoder- it asks for path of the decoder files where to get them
[10:03] <ijacek> what i make defragmentation on my disc ? :)
[10:04] <pro> nigger lulz...
[10:05] <ijacek> doesn't know someone ?
[10:05] <pro> What
[10:05] <ijacek> pro:  what i make defragmentation on my disc ? :)
[10:06] <fawx> ...
[10:06] <Pro> Look shinny thing..
[10:06] <lubos> why do I get this error mesage when I login as a root? : Cannot open display "default display"   ... any hints? thank you
[10:06] <ijacek> what is shinny ?
[10:07] <ijacek> lubos: jses cech ?
[10:07] <fawx> not a word
[10:07] <lubos> ijacek: slovak :-)
[10:08] <lubos> ijacek: ahoj
[10:08] <ijacek> lubos: aha tak zdravim na slovensko, cau :)
[10:08] <ijacek> so what is it ?
[10:08] <lubos> ijacek: no niesom na slovensku ale ..dik...
[10:09] <bazhang> ?
[10:09] <ijacek> lubos: aha :)) ty chces pod rootem spoustet Xka ?
[10:09] <fawx> ...??
[10:09] <stdin> !en | ijacek, lubos
[10:09] <ubotu> ijacek, lubos: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:09] <snowdonkey> That's unfriendly...
[10:10] <ijacek> im so sorry :)
[10:10] <stdin> that's tough :)
[10:10] <snowdonkey> Why such a rule?
[10:10] <stdin> there are other language channels
[10:10] <ijacek> yes i know it
[10:10] <fawx> discrimination...??
[10:10] <bazhang> haha
[10:10] <snowdonkey> I mean pro just said "nigger" 20 lines up
[10:11] <fawx> yeh that 2
[10:11] <lubos> ijacek: how about private chanell?
[10:11] <fawx> i didn't think any 1that so much.
[10:11] <ijacek> i say.. SORRY
[10:11] <fawx> stdin  y u?
[10:11] <ijacek> lubos: !cz
[10:11] <fawx> did it just choose u
[10:12] <bazhang> hi
[10:13] <lubos> ijacek: ?
[10:13] <fawx> hello...
[10:13] <stdin> let me just say this, if someone is being abusive in here use !ops to call the ops in, we can't watch 24/7 and need you to alert us
[10:13] <bazhang> stdin: how to alert you?
[10:14] <fawx> ??
[10:14] <stdin> bazhang: use "!ops | reason" ubotu will then call us
[10:14] <bazhang> oops, sorry.
[10:14] <bazhang> thanks.
[10:14] <fawx> oh
[10:14] <Tm_T> stdin: you keep hilighting me
[10:14] <ijacek> lubos: writing !cz in this chat.. and
[10:14] <stdin> please don't "test" it
[10:14] <fawx> 1 more question
[10:14] <fawx> how do i change the color of my name
[10:14] <stdin> Tm_T: I know, I'm highlighting everyone :p
[10:14] <lubos> ijacek: join sk
[10:14] <ijacek> lubos: click on ubuntu-cz
[10:15] <Tm_T> stdin: youre so enlightening
[10:15] <ijacek> lubos: :D
[10:15] <ijacek> !sk
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <fawx> !color
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about color - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <fawx> pshhh..
[10:16] <ijacek> lubos: sk no exist :))
[10:16] <stdin> fawx: any color you see is your client
[10:16] <lubos> ijacek:  ubuntu-cz ... i'm there
[10:16] <ijacek> yeah :D
[10:16] <stdin> fawx: look in it's settings (tho it won't effect anyone else)
[10:16] <bazhang> lubos: /join #ubuntu-cz
[10:16] <fawx> i mean not the words i send out
[10:16] <fawx> ok
[10:18] <fawx> thank you thank you
[10:21] <lubos> what scripts ( apart of root directory ) gets executed when root logs in..
[10:21] <lubos> ?
[10:22] <stdin>  /etc/environment, /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:22] <lubos> stdin: thanks ...
[10:47] <fawx> ..
[10:47] <fawx> lonely
[10:51] <ijacek> :D
[11:12] <ijacek> what i download video from youtube ?
[11:12] <ijacek> youtube-dl not work
[11:15] <Hart13> zdar all
[11:28] <Ace_NoOne> I can't figure out how to make VirtualBox (WinXP host) allow Kubuntu to use a screen resolution over 1024x768
[11:28] <Ace_NoOne> not sure if this belongs here, but I'd greatly appreciate some tips
[11:29] <stdin> #vbox is the place to ask
[11:29] <Ace_NoOne> brilliant, thanks stdin
[11:33] <somiran> some one can tell should i download kde4 now
[11:34] <somiran> is it stable
[11:34] <stdin> probably not
[11:34] <Ace_NoOne> somiran: not at all from what I hear
[11:34] <Ace_NoOne> ... yet
[11:34] <jussi01> somiran: no
[11:34] <somiran> ok then when about to release the stable one do u know?
[11:35] <somiran> ok thank you
[11:35] <Ace_NoOne> somiran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde4
[11:35] <Ace_NoOne> "It is scheduled for release on 11 December 2007."
[11:35] <somiran> i have heard its amazing
[11:36] <somiran> iace_noone
[11:36] <emilsedgh> really kde4 could buzz the world like firefox...even more, firefox just equals to our konqueror
[11:37] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[11:38] <jussi01> Hello Hobbsee!!
[11:39] <Hobbsee> hiya
[11:40] <e1mer> Jucato: are there alternatives to knetwork-manager?
[11:41] <e1mer> anyone?
[11:41] <e1mer> alternative to knetwork-manager
[11:41] <llutz> e1mer: ifplugd/guessnet
[11:42] <e1mer> thanks llutz
[11:42] <Jucato> e1mer: don't know what alternatives there are
[11:56] <Tstnz> hi all
[12:15] <sille> a very sille question for a very patient crowd:  How to add a network (ie irchighway) to Konversation?
[12:15] <stdin> press F2 and add it
[12:15] <sille> ok... syntax...
[12:16] <stdin> Pick a name for it, then press the Add button under Servers, the syntax is clear
[12:16] <stdin> it has a Server box, a Port box and a Password box
[12:18] <sille> yes.  I added irchighway.com but now asks for server
[12:18] <snitch> hello how to change the sizes of the icons on my desktop?
[12:19] <snitch> its pretty big
[12:19] <stdin> sille: you put the server in the server section, click the Add button
[12:20] <stdin> snitch: system settings > appearance > Icons > advanced
[12:21] <sille> yes.  i guess more specifically.  where o find actual name of network for irchighway.  I assumedthe network name to be irc.irchighway.com
[12:21] <sille>  i am asked to adda server.  however, I don't know where to get  a listing for servers for irchighway.
[12:21] <stdin> check on their site, they should give you the info
[12:21] <sille> i also would not know which port to have assigned
[12:22] <stdin> they should tell you on the site
[12:22] <stdin> default for irc is 6667
[12:22] <sille> ok.  Just getting used to linux.  and browser.
[12:22] <sille> will use port 6667
[12:22] <sille>  will try to find web site for info.
[12:23] <sille> thx stdin
[12:23] <stdin> I'm guessing it's www.irchighway.com
[12:23] <snitch> how to make my browser display smaller?
[12:23] <sille> will do.  thx again
[12:26] <Ace_NoOne> I've added the following to xorg.conf: Modes "1280x1024 1270x912 1152x864" - why can't I select a screen resolution between 1280 and 1024?
[12:33] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: 1280x1024 1270x912 1152x864"  ---> "1280x1024" "1270x912" "1152x864"
[12:33] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: ooh, ok - thanks!
[12:33] <TheGateKeeper> yw :-)
[12:36] <D4m4ge> hi
[12:50] <Ace_NoOne> is it possible that changing the resolution messed up a) xorg.conf b) something else (I now get all sorts of weird behavior)
[12:56] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: if your monitor is not capable of displaying that resolution you can get funny effects, also if you have screwed xorg.conf that can also cause trouble
[12:57] <ardchoille> Is  archive.ubuntu.com  down at the moment?
[12:57] <TheGateKeeper> dunno normal repos are working
[12:58] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: it's in a VirtualBox VM
[12:58] <Ace_NoOne> and it works after I restore xorg.conf and reboot
[12:58] <Ace_NoOne> but I get funny error messages
[12:59] <TheGateKeeper> ohhh never played with linux in a VM machine
[12:59] <Ace_NoOne> I don't think it's related to that as such - seems like Kubuntu 7.10 is buggy in that regard
[01:00] <TheGateKeeper> when you start X if something is wrong it will complain, when I have had those problems it's usually been obvious which part of the xorg.conf it's complaining about
[01:00] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> oh baby you, got what i need, and u say he just a friend, u say he just a friend
[01:00] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> OohHHh Baby youuuU!!
[01:01] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: still on dapper here, but I mainly use gentoo :-)
[01:01] <ardchoille> adReNaLiNexRuSh^: Please tak eit to another channel.
[01:01] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> .___. fine
[01:01] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: the errors are from KdeSudo - hold on, I'll upload
[01:02] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> how do i close this channel?
[01:02] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> it's my 1st time =/
[01:02] <ardchoille> adReNaLiNexRuSh^: You're an op in #bash and you're asking that?
[01:02] <Ace_NoOne> adReNaLiNexRuSh^: /part
[01:03] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> ardchoile:yes i am sir
[01:03] <TheGateKeeper> lol
[01:03] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: http://i22.tinypic.com/r1h06u.jpg <-- see, that happened after I did nothing but change the resolution and reboot
[01:04] <adReNaLiNexRuSh^> wow that's nice ace, windows vista? linux?
[01:05] <TheGateKeeper> hmmm not sure what to suggest
[01:05] <Ace_NoOne> adReNaLiNexRuSh^: huh? XP Royal Theme, running Kubuntu inside VirtualBox
[01:06] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: thanks anyway
[01:07] <jan__> hello room
[01:07] <jan__> has anyone used massive a crowd simulation software
[01:07] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: yw :-) sorry I couldn't help you fix it
[01:08] <Ace_NoOne> :)
[01:09] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: just try using the X tools to configure it, usually takes a bit of fiddling with
[01:09] <Ace_NoOne> will do
[01:09] <Ace_NoOne> first gotta find out how to mount that VBox share...
[01:10] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: I would start the VM in cli mode, get X working, then restart it with X once you have it sorted
[01:10] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: well, it works nicely with the current resolution - but as soon as I use the KDE system settings to change it, it breaks
[01:11] <Ace_NoOne> then I restore xorg.conf and it reboots nicely (with the previously-selected resolution!)
[01:11] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: well backup xorg.cong & alter it manually
[01:11] <TheGateKeeper> xorg.conf*
[01:12] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: where in xorg.conf do I set the selected resolution
[01:12] <TheGateKeeper> 1 min
[01:16] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: In  -->  Section "Screen" I have --> DefaultDepth 24 and I think it uses the first resolution in the list
[01:16] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: well, I have multiple resolutions there, and currently using the second (after setting it via KDE, and then restoring xorg.conf!)
[01:16] <user__> pidarasi vi!!!
[01:17] <user__> pidarasi vi!!!
[01:17] <user__> pidarasi vi!!!
[01:17] <user__> pidarasi vi!!!
[01:17] <user__> pidarasi vi!!!
[01:17] <user__> pidarasi vi!!!
[01:17] <GuHHH> TheGateKeeper: it does...
[01:17] <user__> hi
[01:17] <user__> !!
[01:17] <GuHHH> user_ wtf?
[01:17] <GuHHH> are u stupid?
[01:17] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: may be it won't support anything higher
[01:18] <user__> i m aleksey
[01:18] <TheGateKeeper> thanks GuHHH
[01:18] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: 1280x1024 worked fine, but that was too large for the VM's windowed mode - so I wanted to set it to 1152x864, but that broke it; I had to restore and reboot
[01:19] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: try "1024x768"
[01:20] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: that's too small...
[01:20] <TheGateKeeper> :-)
[01:20] <Ace_NoOne> in fact, I wanna end up with something like 1250x900 later on
[01:21] <TheGateKeeper> you will just have to fiddle with it until you get it right
[01:21] <Ace_NoOne> yeah - but I really think it's the current Kubuntu beta being buggy
[01:22] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: well I couldn't possible comment lol
[01:22] <Ace_NoOne> I'll give it a few more tries
[01:24] <fkm> Hi there. If I got a problem with a game (Enemy Territory) via AIGLX on my Kubuntu. Where shall I ask for help? Does AIGLX has an own channel?
[01:25] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: it now works with 1200x900 - but I still get the KdeSudo errors on startup; any way to track what might cause this?
[01:25] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: what happens if you come out of X then restart it?
[01:26] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: how do I do that
[01:26] <TheGateKeeper> I guess there must be something wanting admin privlages
[01:27] <Ace_NoOne> yeah, but I have no idea what
[01:27] <TheGateKeeper> well in a VM machine not sure normally I think it's Ctrl + alt + backspace, then startx  to restart X up
[01:28] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: ps -A will give you a list of the processes running
[01:29] <Ace_NoOne> err, "5320 pts/1    00:00:00 ps" ?
[01:29] <TheGateKeeper> that's ok
[01:31] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: you could also get it to run a more basic X than running KDE to see if that is the problem
[01:32] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE works
[01:33] <TheGateKeeper> cool :-)
[01:33] <Ace_NoOne> so I just edit xorg.conf to my needs and restart it?
[01:34] <DexterF> hi
[01:34] <rand_acs> anyone seen a release date on 7.10?
[01:35] <stdin> rand_acs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[01:35] <DexterF> MIDI issue. guitar tab editor (tuxguitar, awesome), played sound fine till i installed an alsa output plugin. now it's mute
[01:35] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne: yes but make sure you have it backed up first
[01:35] <rand_acs> stdin: thanks mate
[01:35] <DexterF> figured timidity wasnt installed to i pulled that, still no go. pointers?
[01:35] <vlt> Hello. Somehow the area in kicker where all open apps are shown ("Fensterleiste" in German) has gone. How can I reactivate it?
[01:37] <rand_acs> cool only 13 days to go :)
[01:37] <rand_acs> I'm hoping to try out the KDE 4.0 package that the devs talked about
[01:38] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: crashed on me and now I can only get into CLI
[01:41] <TheGateKeeper> Ace_NoOne:  use startx to restart X up, might have to replace your xorg.conf
[01:41] <TheGateKeeper> bbiab
[01:42] <Ace_NoOne> TheGateKeeper: nah, it's something more serious - I seem to have borked it, so I reverted to a snapshot
[01:52] <vlt> Hello. Yesterday I finally answered "yes" to adept-manager's question if I wanted to upgrade (from Edgy) to Feisty. The ~800 MB of updated were downloaded successfully and adpet began to configure the packages. After having answered two or three debconf questions I left and returned after 2 hours finding the machine frozen. GRUB menu.lst hasn't changed but the old sytem can't boot anymore. Booting from a live cd shows me the new kernel in /boot and _two_ initrd 
[02:09] <r4wbeRRy> hi there
[02:10] <r4wbeRRy> i'm using kubuntu 7.10 'n tried to update today. while installing it says -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39629/
[02:12] <DexterF> r4wbeRRy: topic
[02:13] <r4wbeRRy> #ubuntu+1, hm? :o
[02:13] <Ace_NoOne> how can I redirect the boot sequence to just take me to the command line
[02:13] <DexterF> r4wbeRRy: yup
[02:13] <r4wbeRRy> ah, thank you. that already kinda solved my problem
[02:13] <DexterF> Ace_NoOne: perm or temp?
[02:13] <stdin> Ace_NoOne: start recovery mode
[02:13] <Ace_NoOne> DexterF: temp
[02:14] <Ace_NoOne> stdin: GRUB selection?
[02:14] <stdin> yeah
[02:14] <Ace_NoOne> ok thanks
[02:15] <DexterF> Ace_NoOne: in grub, go to the line that holds kernel info, press "e" to edit, replace the "quiet splash --" with 2, return, press b to boot. that should do it.
[02:15] <DexterF> recovery is meant for recovery so this wont do a lot of stuff, I guess it wont mount remote dirs like nfs or smb
[02:15] <Ace_NoOne> will do DexterF
[02:15] <stdin> DexterF: it will start in runlevel 1
[02:16] <stdin> DexterF: runlevel S actually
[02:16] <DexterF> is "S" offcial?
[02:16] <stdin> S = Single user
[02:17] <GuHHH>  i have a module for a sound card... (that there isnt on the kernel), so i have to recompile the kernel with support for this module... how can i do this?
[02:17] <DexterF> well, anyway, is there an app to load sound fonts into sound blaster live cards?
[02:17] <stdin> S0123456 are the runlevels
[02:17] <DexterF> GuHHH: uh. ever compiled a kernel yourself?
[02:17] <GuHHH> DexterF: many times
[02:18] <DexterF> GuHHH: well.. then patch up the src for your card and compile away
[02:18] <GuHHH> DexterF: ok, thanks
[02:18] <ardchoille> What's up with the repos?
[02:19] <ardchoille> My sudo apt-get update won't connect
[02:19] <DexterF> broken mirror? tried another?
[02:19] <stdin> depends what repos you're using
[02:19] <stdin> mine work fine
[02:19] <DexterF> same here
[02:19] <ardchoille> archive.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be working
[02:20] <stdin> use a local mirror then
[02:20] <stdin> probably a ton of people upgrading early
[02:20] <Jucato> working here (ph.archive.ubuntu.com redirects to archive.ubuntu.com)
[02:20] <LjL> it pings here, don't know if it *works*
[02:20] <LjL> security.ubuntu.com on the other hand seems a bit stuck
[02:21] <ardchoille> I can ping it, but apt-get can't connect
[02:21] <ardchoille> us.archive.ubuntu.com = same thing
[02:21] <LjL> yes, us. is stuck for me too
[02:21] <LjL> although they shouldn't be the same server
[02:21] <Jucato> spoke too soon, archive.ubuntu.com is stuck
[02:21] <ardchoille> Jucato: That's what I thought
[02:21] <Jucato> ok working now.. . a bit..
[02:21] <LjL> oh wait, right now us. and a.u.c. *are* the same server
[02:22] <LjL> they're both prat.canonical.com
[02:22] <LjL> i don't think they're normally that way though
[02:22] <ardchoille> prat? Nice name
[02:22] <stdin> LjL: prat and lithium
[02:22] <LjL> stdin: i only got prat
[02:22] <LjL> guess they just load balance
[02:22] <Jucato> I only got prat :)
[02:23] <stdin> LjL: archive.ubuntu.com point to 91.189.89.6 and 91.189.89.8
[02:23] <LjL> stdin: yeah, i've just got lithium on the last ping.
[02:23] <ardchoille> yeah
[02:23] <googleheart> hi
[02:23] <LjL> perhaps lithium works and prat kind of doesn't, which is why it works sometimes.
[02:24] <Kein> Thought something was weird.  Anywyas.
[02:24] <Kein> *anyways
[02:25] <ardchoille> Glad to know it wasn't just me.
[02:25] <Kein> Is there any danger to checking out/writing to my Windows partition from Kubuntu if I don't touch anything potentially dangerous?
[02:25] <ardchoille> Kein: Is it NTFS>
[02:25] <ardchoille> ?
[02:25] <googleheart> Kein: only if you have an NTFS partiotion i think..
[02:26] <ardchoille> !ntfs | Kein
[02:26] <ubotu> Kein: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:27] <Kein> Yeah, it's NTFS. =(
[02:27] <Kein> Dammit.
[02:27] <Kein> I need to pass a fairly large amount of data across and I only have one CD. D=
[02:27] <ardchoille> Kein: There are ways to write to it, I don't know how safe it is.
[02:27] <Kein> Yeah, I'm not taking a risk.
[02:27] <Kein> ...
[02:27] <Kein> Wait.
[02:27] <Kein> CD-RWs.
[02:27] <Kein> Duh.
[02:27] <Kein> Now I feel retarded.
[02:28] <ardchoille> lol
[02:28] <stdin> ntfs-3g is classed as "stable"
[02:28] <ardchoille> stdin: It is stable now? That's good to know
[02:28] <stdin> tho I've never used it (no ntfs partitions)
[02:28] <ardchoille> same
[02:29] <Kein> I made the mistake of assuming I would be using Linux sparingly when I installed due to not knowing how a lot of things worked.
[02:29] <Kein> I learned.
[02:29] <Kein> And now I want to fix what that train of thought made me do to my HD sizes.
[02:29] <Kein> ...well, partition sizes.
[02:36] <tzanger> if I am trying to build a third-party kernel module (examples from Linux Device Drivers book) it complains that linux/config.h does not exist
[02:36] <tzanger> is there a package that includes what is needed?  I don't need the kernel source for it at all
[02:37] <LjL> tzanger: install module-assistant
[02:37] <LjL> and run it
[02:37] <tzanger> module-assistant?  I would hae NEVER guessed that name
[02:38] <LjL> tzanger: it's not the package you're looking for - it's simply a little utility that helps compiling modules, and can install the required packages by itself
[02:38] <tzanger> aha
[02:39] <gustavo> module-assistant prepare
[02:39] <tzanger> ok, it's just trying to download it at the moment
[02:40] <gustavo> then, module-assistant a-i module
[02:40] <Ace_NoOne> a while back, I remember seeing a YouTube video of a "ripple" effect for Beryl - notifying of new instant messages; does the IM client have to support that?
[02:40] <tzanger> gustavo: sounds nice, but it seems quite high level
[02:41] <gustavo> its not
[02:43] <zarilion> Hey. Can someone remind me what i have to type to reconfigure x-server in terminal..?
[02:44] <Jucato> !xconfig | zarilion
[02:44] <ubotu> zarilion: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[02:44] <Kein> woot, new pidgin package
[02:44] <Kein> hmm
[02:44] <Kein> looks like the servers are stable again
[02:44] <Kein> but eh
[02:44] <tzanger> yeah
[02:45] <Kein> I went in at about 13 kbps then it boosted to 250
[02:45] <Kein> a little iffy
[02:45] <Kein> but still good
[02:45] <Kein> oooooooooooh
[02:45] <Kein> shouldn't have jinxed it
[02:46] <Kein> hmm
[02:46] <gnomefreak> Jucato: got a sec?
[02:47] <Jucato> gnomefreak: a few :)
[02:47] <gnomefreak> Jucato: are you on feisty?
[02:47] <tzanger> why on earth is it installing a C++ compiler?
[02:47] <Jucato> gnomefreak: sadly, no
[02:47] <tzanger> urf
[02:47] <gnomefreak> tzanger: to compile C++ apps
[02:47] <gnomefreak> darn
[02:47] <tzanger> with the package servers down this isn't going to happen...  I have the kernel headers, I guess I am just missing a symlink
[02:47] <zarilion> ty
[02:47] <Jucato> tzanger: to compile modules for whatever you're downloading module-assistant for
[02:48] <tzanger> I know hwo to do this the "oldschool" way, just trying ot be debian/kubuntu-friendly
[02:48] <gnomefreak> tzanger: give it a few hours
[02:48] <stdin> tzanger: use another mirror?
[02:48] <tzanger> hmm
[02:49] <tzanger> damn I thought I had apt-file installed on this system
[02:49] <TheGateKeeper> can you install k3b from a dapper repo into a latter version of kubuntu?
[02:50] <stdin> no, different versions of kde
[02:50] <stdin> (kdelibs rather)
[02:50] <flaccid--> the repos servers are down?
[02:51] <stdin> see the topic ;)
[02:51] <TheGateKeeper> stdin: well unless you have gone to KDE 4 I can do it in gentoo by masking latter versions
[02:51] <flaccid--> true.. its cut off in my client
[02:52] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: dpkg will not install it because of version differences
[02:52] <flaccid--> right i hover hover topic. im on xchat windows :p
[02:53] <TheGateKeeper> well that's a bit sad, all the latter version crash & bang :-(
[02:53] <TheGateKeeper> versions*
[02:54] <tzanger> ok perhaps I am just missing a crucial bit of information
[02:55] <tzanger> I installed module-assistant and told it to prepare the system
[02:55] <tzanger> it says the system is prepared
[02:55] <tzanger> yet I still have no config.h and hte LDD3 example fails to build due to that
[02:55] <tzanger> I don't want to build or hack on a module that is in the repo, I want to make my own
[02:56] <flaccid--> have a good one guys im off
[02:56] <awolf> hello every im completly new in linux how can show me how t instal in linux
[02:56] <awolf> hello every im completly new in linux how can show me how t instal in linux
[02:56] <awolf> hello every im completly new in linux how can show me how t instal in linux
[02:56] <awolf> hello every im completly new in linux how can show me how t instal in linux
[02:56] <Jucato> awolf: do not repeat your question or flood the channel
[02:56] <Jucato> !patience | awolf
[02:56] <ubotu> awolf: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:57] <Jucato> !install
[02:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[02:57] <awolf> thank for the web pages
[02:57] <Ace_NoOne> you guys are too patient with trolls
[02:59] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: damn hippies ;)
[02:59] <tzanger> aha
[02:59] <Jucato> :)
[02:59] <tzanger> it's just a problem of LDD examples being old
[02:59] <tzanger> include/config.h doesn't exist anymore, it is now include/autoconf.h
[03:00] <atlfalcons866> my computer lost power last night could i have lost some data
[03:05] <Ace_NoOne> I keep getting Adept errors: "Could not commit changes"
[03:05] <gustavo> atlfalcons866: its a possibility
[03:05] <Ace_NoOne> so I can't update
[03:05] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: you can try using apt-get to get more informative error messages
[03:06] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: something like "apt-get update" in the CLI?
[03:06] <atlfalcons866> gustavo: ext3 fscked it self and the file system was clean
[03:06] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: what were you trying to do in Adept?
[03:06] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: update a fresh install of Kubuntu 7.10
[03:06] <tzanger> atlfalcons866: ext2/3 force a check after so many days of non-checking
[03:06] <Ace_NoOne> and now it seems I have to re-download the whole 280 MB!
[03:07] <gustavo> atlfalcons866: so its probably okay
[03:07] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: redownload what?
[03:07] <atlfalcons866> does jfs resiserfs do that
[03:07] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: the updates?
[03:07] <atlfalcons866> ok
[03:07] <tzanger> just use xfs, it's the one true fs :-)
[03:07] <atlfalcons866> xfs corrupts on power loss
[03:07] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: no. once the packages have been download (whether installed or not) they are saved in the hard drive (for a period of days)
[03:07] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: Adept's Fetch Updates = sudo apt-get update. Full Upgrade = sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:08] <atlfalcons866> why arnt updates working
[03:08] <Jucato> emilsedgh: keeping it up to date w/ the latest updates
[03:08] <emilsedgh> Jucato: then thats not 'Fresh'
[03:08] <emilsedgh> Jucato: fresh means a new installation
[03:08] <emilsedgh> dunno, maybe im wrong :)
[03:09] <Jucato> emilsedgh: yes fresh = new install
[03:09] <Jucato> so what's the issue?
[03:09] <atlfalcons866> should i stay with ext3
[03:09] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: thanks - but Adept Updater does seem to think it has another 260 MB to download
[03:09] <Ace_NoOne> so I will try the CLI now
[03:10] <emilsedgh> Jucato: when you want to update, fresh means nothing...ok i give it up, not important
[03:10] <Jucato> emilsedgh: update a fresh install = after install a fresh shiny new system, you update it to get the latest patches/fixes
[03:11] <Jucato> after that, of course, it's not fresh anymore. it's an updated system
[03:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: oh, thanks :D
[03:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i tought you mean update from feisty
[03:11] <Ace_NoOne> great, you've confused the newbie now ;) should I use apt-get update or dist-upgrade now?
[03:12] <whm> I have a problem about hotkeys OSD on IBM T23 when run kubuntu
[03:13] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: update = checks to see if there are updates available (updates your package list so to speak). dist-upgrade actually downloads and installs the updates
[03:13] <Ace_NoOne> ahh
[03:13] <whm> there is no OSD information when press fn+fx or fn+ home or fn+end
[03:14] <elkmann> Hi! how can I teach programs to user firefox instead of konqueror?
[03:14] <whm> when run ubuntu there do be OSD when I use fn hotkeys
[03:15] <LjL> elkmann: K / System Settings / Default Applications / Web Browser
[03:15] <shockhead> is this the right place for gutsy talk? :-)
[03:15] <LjL> no
[03:15] <LjL> !gutsy > shockhead    (shockhead, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:15] <LjL> try /topic too ;)
[03:16] <shockhead> cool, thanks
[03:16] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: several issues now :/ http://pastebin.com/d78317208 <-- 1. wants to re-download 270 MB 2. seems stuck/frozen
[03:17] <elkmann> LjL: and how can I reach that when I'm actually not in KDE?
[03:17] <LjL> elkmann: try "kcontrol", does it work?
[03:17] <elkmann> yes, but in kcontrol there are no Default Applications..
[03:18] <Jucato> elkmann: kcontrol -> kde components -> default applications
[03:18] <LjL> elkmann: yes, there is, under "KDE Components"
[03:18] <LjL> there is a search box, too :P
[03:18] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: I've never seen that error message before...
[03:18] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: yay, I'm special :(
[03:19] <elkmann> no, I simply don't have "Default Applications"...
[03:19] <ardchoille> Jucato: Is that part of an apt-get update? If so, I was getting gpgv and key errors earlier
[03:19] <LjL> Ace_NoOne: are you updating to Feisty?
[03:19] <Kein> hold on, elkmann
[03:19] <Jucato> ardchoille: feisty?
[03:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: yes
[03:20] <Kein> it looks like three cubes stacked
[03:20] <elkmann> when I search for "appl" I get: application "Launch Feedback", somthing bout shortcuts..
[03:20] <Kein> also, KDE Components should be it
[03:20] <Ace_NoOne> LjL: I installed Kubuntu 7.10, then had Adept Updater run, which failed, so I went for the CLI ("sudo apt-get update", then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade")
[03:20] <elkmann> and something bout style..
[03:20] <ardchoille> I have a feeling some of the repos are messed up beyond a simple connection problem.
[03:20] <Jucato> elkmann: how about searching for "default"
[03:21] <elkmann> search for default brings no results
[03:21] <Jucato> strange indeed
[03:21] <LjL> Ace_NoOne: uhm, there is a bug report, but it's about upgrading *to* Feisty: but 117030
[03:21] <LjL> bug 117030
[03:21] <LjL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/117030
[03:21] <elkmann> I guess my installation lacks something..?
[03:21] <Jucato> LjL: he's updating a fresh install
[03:21] <LjL> Ace_NoOne: i'd try a "sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrrade" for starters
[03:21] <Ace_NoOne> LjL: will do, thanks
[03:22] <LjL> Jucato: who knows what can happen even on a fresh install?
[03:22] <Jucato> yeah...
[03:22] <Ace_NoOne> LjL: now it seems to work
[03:22] <Ace_NoOne> it's downloading
[03:23] <tzanger> is it possible to either get the shell to overwrite core files when a new core is generated, or get it to create core.[pid]  like other systems/  I'm not sure where to alter this behaviour
[03:23] <Ace_NoOne> what exactly does apt-get clean do? purge any previous updater info?
[03:24] <ardchoille> Ace_NoOne: cleans out downloaded packages
[03:24] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: it removes the previously downloaded package that apt-get dist-upgrade downloaded
[03:24] <Jucato> (whether installed or not)
[03:24] <Ace_NoOne> I see
[03:24] <ardchoille> Jucato: archive.ubuntu.com seem to be working again
[03:24] <bazhang> Hello!
[03:25] <Jucato> good
[03:26] <travexas> hi
[03:26] <genii> Ace_NoOne: The info on what it does and what other parts of apt-get does is in the manpage,   man apt-get
[03:26] <LjL> ardchoille: sometimes. probably one of the two mirrors they're using works better than the other right now
[03:26] <Ace_NoOne> genii: yeah, I forgot I could open a second terminal session...
[03:27] <genii> Ace_NoOne: :)
[03:27] <snitch> anyone knows how to install a pidgin?
[03:27] <Ace_NoOne> snitch: snatch one first
[03:28] <snitch> then
[03:28] <snitch> :)
[03:28] <Ace_NoOne> get cement
[03:28] <snitch> :P
[03:33] <ardchoille> LjL: Oh, ok
[03:35] <snitch> whats a nice client for yahoo messenger?
[03:36] <Ace_NoOne> Pidgin works for all AFAIK
[03:36] <bazhang> snitch: didn't like pidgin?
[03:36] <snitch> i dont know how to install it
[03:36] <snitch> im a newbie
[03:36] <grul> doesn't kopete work?
[03:36] <Ace_NoOne> apt-get install pidgin?
[03:36] <snitch> kopete works
[03:37] <bazhang> snitch: sudo apt-get install pidgin followed by your password
[03:37] <Kein> yeah, basically plug what they said into your console
[03:38] <snitch> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:38] <grul> !apt
[03:38] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:38] <grul> !aptitude
[03:38] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[03:38] <Kein> snitch:
[03:38] <bazhang> I prefer adept
[03:38] <Kein> you have to type sudo first
[03:38] <Kein> actually
[03:39] <Kein> I like Synaptic the most
[03:39] <Kein> but that's because it's well organized
[03:39] <snitch> adept cant find the pidgin
[03:39] <Ace_NoOne> snitch: are you by any chance already updating your system?
[03:40] <Ace_NoOne> don't say a/the pidgin please ... the name is horrible enough ;P
[03:40] <Ace_NoOne> it's like saying "an internets"
[03:40] <snitch> :)
[03:40] <snitch> yup
[03:40] <snitch> its updated
[03:40] <Ace_NoOne> updated or updating?
[03:41] <snitch> updated
[03:41] <Kein> I'm not fond of the Pidgin motif.
[03:42] <Ace_NoOne> who came up with that anyway, and who agreed to it? (reminds me of GWB)
[03:42] <Kein> I totally just took the icons and such from GAIM.
[03:42] <Kein> Well.
[03:42] <Kein> It was GAIM first, which made sense and looked awesome.
[03:42] <Kein> Then AOL started being belligerent.
[03:42] <Ace_NoOne> I know about AOL complaining (oddly enough)
[03:42] <Ace_NoOne> but why *Pidgin*
[03:42] <bazhang> !pidgin
[03:42] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[03:43] <jzilla> What would be a good alternative to the default mirrors/repos?
[03:43] <Kein> Hm?
[03:44] <Ace_NoOne> oh great, even the CLI updating failed: http://pastebin.com/d5b1eb6be
[03:44] <Ace_NoOne> something's seriously wrong there... !?
[03:44] <jzilla> The topic states "The main and US mirrors are currently down/slow, please use others" -- what's a good choice for "others"?
[03:46] <Jucato> uk.arhive.ubuntu.com seems to be good
[03:47] <jzilla> I'll give that a shot. Thanks.
[03:47] <Ace_NoOne> I have no idea why updating doesn't work
[03:47] <Ace_NoOne> (using German servers btw)
[03:47] <Capt_Carrot> slow/down mirrors?  what, did gutsy go final already?
[03:47] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: are you on gutsy or feisty?
[03:48] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: 7.10 is Feisty, right?
[03:48] <jdong> Capt_Carrot: no, just slow :)
[03:48] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: no.
[03:48] <Ace_NoOne> ok ;)
[03:48] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: 7.04 is Feisty. 7.10 is gutsy which is still in beta right now
[03:49] <Jucato> which could explain your upgrade problem.
[03:49] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: well, you guys here recommended I download Gutsy yesterday
[03:49] <Jucato> I'm going to strangle who ever recommended that
[03:49] <Ace_NoOne> lesson learned: don't listen to the internets
[03:49] <Jucato> lesson to be learned. Read :)
[03:49] <Ace_NoOne> lol
[03:50] <Kein> unless you love to beta test, don't use betas
[03:50] <Kein> ;/
[03:50] <Jucato> and I'm definitely not one of those "guys" who recommended it to you. because I wouldn't even if I were paid to
	Get it now!  It's really stable Ace_NoOne
[03:50] <bazhang> ouch
	Ace_NoOne: Virtual machine I would heartily recommend 7.10
[03:50] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: didn't you read what most of us said after that?
[03:51] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: emphasis on Virtual Machine
[03:51] <Ace_NoOne> well, just teasong - this is just for getting familiar anyway
[03:51] <Ace_NoOne> *teasing
[03:51] <bazhang> Ace_NoOne: some problems with Gutsy?
[03:51] <Ace_NoOne> so actually, having to figure out some errors might be good
[03:51] <Ace_NoOne> bazhang: won't update
[03:51] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: my guess is that your server still hasn't received the fixed packages for that error
[03:51] <bazhang> Ace_NoOne: that's an issue with the servers being hammered.
[03:52] <Ace_NoOne> bazhang: nope, download worked fine!?
[03:52] <Jucato> bazhang: no, there was an issue earlier with cupsys upgrades
[03:52] <Mr_Sonoma> lol i just tried to install Gutsy from a live cd (i dont mind beta so much) but it was from a tribe5 cd and the install failed miserably on my new hard disk (grub errors galore believe it or not) finally when i did find my fiesty cd and tried the install from there, it worked flawless, now im just going through the setup stuff cause i didnt even try to back up my /home this time around
[03:52] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: to be technical, the problem is in the (dist-)upgrade part, not the update part
[03:52] <bazhang> Ace_NoOne: I normally get 200k/s, but here I was getting 20k/s
[03:52] <Ace_NoOne> bazhang: I had 200 kbps - German servers
[03:53] <bazhang> Ace_NoOne: the issue with cupsys has bbeen fixed.
[03:53] <bazhang> been.
[03:53] <Ace_NoOne> well, apparently not for me
[03:53] <Ace_NoOne> bazhang: <Ace_NoOne> oh great, even the CLI updating failed: http://pastebin.com/d5b1eb6be
[03:53] <Jucato> bazhang: not from his/her server
[03:53] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: the correct form is "its" :P
[03:53] <Jucato> bazhang: the fixed version of cupsyst is 1.3.2-1ubuntu5
[03:53] <Ace_NoOne> (I'm a bot, y'know)
[03:54] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: youll have to wait a bit and perform update and dist-upgrade later again
[03:54] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: later = tomorrow? should I perform an apt-get clean now?
[03:56] <Jucato> you could. but if your server still hasn't synced to get the fixed packages, it wouldn't matter much
[03:56] <bazhang> Jucato: thanks.
[03:57] <vlt> Hello. Somehow the area in kicker where all open apps are shown ("Fensterleiste" in German) has gone. How can I reactivate it?
[03:57] <Jucato> vlt: I could tell you how, but you might have a hard time translating. you could also try #kubuntu-de
[03:57] <uga> vlt: the taskbar?
[03:57] <cj_> hi
[03:57] <Jucato> but just in case, right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> search for taskbar
[03:58] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: I mean to prepare for tomorrow's proper update/-grade
[03:58] <cj_> can anyone help me get compiz-fusion working on kubuntu ? i get missing metacity errors
[03:58] <vlt> uga: kicker is running but the part where the runnings apps are shown is missing
[03:58] <uga> vlt: right click on kicker->add applet to panel->search for "taskbar" and double click it
[03:58] <uga> vlt: that's called the taskbar
[03:58] <vlt> uga, Jucato: thanks
[03:58] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: won't matter much.
[03:58] <uga> vlt: btw, don't you prefer the taskbar on top of the window?
[03:58] <Jucato> !compiz-fusion |  cj_
[03:58] <ubotu> cj_: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:59] <bazhang> vlt: you can add application icons, applets, and so on, by right clicking on the panel; a window will come up allowing you to choose what you want to add
[03:59] <jthomas> how can I keep Amarok from autostarting when I log in?  I have tried both amarok and amarokapp in the KDE blacklist in session manager, and it's not doing its job.
[03:59] <vlt> uga: On top? Do we speak of the same thing?
[03:59] <uga> vlt: right click->add new panel->external taskbar
[03:59] <uga> vlt: yes, you can have two bars, similar to kicker
[04:00] <vlt> uga: I found "external taskbar" but not the "real" one .... hmmmm
[04:00] <uga> usually kicker is too busy with icons, so if you add an external taskbar, you get more space
[04:00] <uga> vlt: the "real" one, I told you how to get it up there
[04:00] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: ok cool
[04:00] <Jucato> uga, vlt: or you can just add a new blank panel and add the taskbar there
[04:00] <uga> vlt: right click on kciker->add applet to panel...->under search, type "taskbar"->double click, et voil, you have it
[04:01] <n8k99> am starting to research how to install on a machine which has no CD drive, any clues?
[04:01] <hero> n8k99: you could install over the network perhaps
[04:01] <n8k99> can I use an External HD to boot the ISO?
[04:01] <uga> Jucato: oh, I didn't know you could add applets to those, nice trick
[04:01] <Jucato> uga: you can add anything to a blank panel, but not to an external taskbar.
[04:02] <spa_zero> Hi. I was trying to upgrade the 7.10 beta to the current state, but the updateter (kpackage?) keeps crashing with the message "dpkg-preconfigure closed unexpectedly". Since the bugreport tool does not support the use of a proxy, I cannot file a bug report.
[04:02] <spa_zero> Has anyone else seen that problem?
[04:02] <uga> spa_zero: kpackage???? that's for rpms iirc
[04:03] <alejandro> hi
[04:03] <spa_zero> uga: Sorry, it is Adept.
[04:03] <spa_zero> uga: I get those mixed up :)
[04:03] <alejandro> can i get two eth
[04:03] <alejandro> eth1 & eth2
[04:03] <uga> spa_zero: try running the update command on a konsole. I had that long ago on a beta. Never happenned again
[04:03] <chn> hello I have a TV Card which one uses saa7134 chipset but I cant get it worked :(
[04:03] <alejandro> with an 1 ntework card
[04:03] <alejandro> ?
[04:03] <uga> spa_zero: if you are doing a full upgrade, type in a konsole: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:04] <spa_zero> uga: Is it ok to use "aptitude" on the console? Or will that mess up the way they handle the DB?
[04:04] <uga> spa_zero: you can use either aptitude or apt-get. It's fine
[04:04] <spa_zero> uga: I'd rather use "aptitude" than "apt-get", since it is the way recommended by Debian. But is it the same for *buntu?
[04:04] <spa_zero> uga: ok, thanks!
[04:04] <uga> spa_zero: aptitude stores more information iirc, but doesn't touch apt's. It's a separate place
[04:05] <uga> (apt one gets updated too, though)
[04:05] <chn> hello I have a TV Card which one uses saa7134 chipset but I cant get it worked . can you help me?
[04:05] <spa_zero> uga: Ok. "aptitude full-upgrade" should do?
[04:06] <uga> spa_zero: I don't know aptitude's command line commands. I always used aptitude from the ncurses "gui"
[04:07] <spa_zero> uga: ok. No problem. I get it hanging "wating for headers" at 99% and then "Err http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/multiverse Sources" when using "aptitude update". I think there is something totally wrong here.
[04:08] <uga> spa_zero: give a try to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:08] <spa_zero> ugo: Error is "503 Connect failed" by the way.
[04:08] <vlt> uga: Ok, solved it. The applet is called "Miniprogram" here. (Never would have guessed it.) Thanks.
[04:08] <uga> lol
[04:08] <spa_zero> ugo: ok, hang on. But it will most likely be the same, since apt-get also needs to connect to the server, or not?
[04:08] <Jucato> vlt: you could have also asked for the correct term in #kubuntu-de :)
[04:09] <uga> vlt: you know there's a german channel?
[04:09] <uga> !de | vlt
[04:09] <ubotu> vlt: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:09] <Jucato> already told him that..
[04:09] <uga> !cookie | Jucato
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <uga> well, sorry then. No cookies for you
[04:09] <Jucato> :P
[04:11] <hero> i think it's botsnack
[04:11] <hero> not cookie
[04:11] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[04:11] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[04:11] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:12] <Jucato> !helpersnack
[04:12] <ubotu> Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:12] <excalibas> hello, how can i turn compiz off?
[04:12] <emilsedgh> excalibas: kwin --replace
[04:13] <excalibas> emilsedgh, thanks :)
[04:13] <spa_zero> uga: yep, as I guessed. Same problem. It hangs at 99% during "apt-get update" and then times out on "http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/multiverse Sources" with "connect failed". Maybe they have a lot of load these days.
[04:14] <Dr_willis> yea the servers have a lot of load at this time
[04:14] <Alexius72> hi people
[04:15] <Alexius72> i need help
[04:15] <asdrubal> hi
[04:15] <asdrubal> tell me
[04:15] <Dr_willis> Please state the nature of the Linux Emergancy
[04:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:15] <Alexius72> ok
[04:15] <uga> spa_zero: you could try switching mirrors
[04:16] <uga> Alexius72: please insert coin
[04:16] <Alexius72> i cannot see flash files both in konqueror or firefox, but i've installet the non-free plugin
[04:16] <Alexius72> and also gnash
[04:16] <spa_zero> uga: I was busy doing just that :)
[04:16] <uga> beep! proprietary software in place. Minimum, 2$ per question ;)
[04:16] <Alexius72> my cpu is an emt_64
[04:16] <Alexius72> but i've intalled a kubuntu i386
[04:17] <Dr_willis> You are using Feisty? or Gutsy?
[04:17] <uga> Alexius72: you need to install and use nspluginwrapper
[04:17] <uga> Alexius72: to make flash work on 64 bits
[04:17] <Alexius72> i'm using feisty
[04:17] <Alexius72> but the strange is
[04:17] <Dr_willis> If you are using the 32bit disrto of feisty.. hmm.. flash should work.
[04:17] <chn> I need help with my TV CARD ?
[04:17] <Alexius72> that till yesterday flash was working great
[04:18] <uga> Alexius72: oh, you're running the 32 bit version?
[04:18] <Alexius72> may be an upgrade's troubel
[04:18] <Alexius72> yes
[04:18] <cj_> uga: are you sure flash wont work on a 64-bit box with a 32-bit userland?
[04:18] <Alexius72> til yesterday it was waorking
[04:18] <Jucato> !flash64
[04:18] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:18] <Alexius72> and another strange things
[04:18] <spa_zero> uga: Seems to work now ... *phew* that will teach me using beta software :)
[04:19] <spa_zero> uga: Thanks for the help.
[04:19] <uga> cj_: it needs to interface with 64bit apps (konqueror/firefox) if he runs a x64 machine
[04:19] <Alexius72> if i use seamonkey non debianized the plugin works
[04:19] <uga> cj_: so I don't think it'd work without nspluginwrapper. There's a good reason people created it ;)
[04:19] <cj_> uga: modern 64-bit machines (at least AMD) can run 32-bit applications fine
[04:20] <uga> cj_: again, the problem, afaik, isn't running them
[04:20] <cj_> uga: it was written for people running 64-bit binaries
[04:20] <Alexius72> when i can found a nspluginwrapper debianized
[04:20] <uga> cj_: it's interfacing with them
[04:20] <uga> cj_: konqueror64 needs to load flash32
[04:20] <uga> see the difference?
[04:21] <cj_> uga: i do, but he never said he was running 64-bit
[04:21] <uga> Jucato: that page doesn't help. It suggests installing 32bit firefox instead
[04:21] <Dr_willis> sounds to me like its a flash version/browser version/plugin setting issue.
[04:21] <Alexius72> but the problem is born today...
[04:21] <Jucato> uga: only way to use it in 64-bit iirc
[04:22] <Alexius72> i don't know i must think about it
[04:22] <uga> cj_: okay. I found out later. You'll notice from the logs and I asked him. I was just letting you know that it can't possibly work on x64 compiled os-es
[04:22] <cj_> cj_: no dispute :)
[04:22] <uga> Jucato: no, as I said above, you can install nspluginwrapper, and it'll load flash 32 bit just fine
[04:22] <uga> Jucato: doing that here
[04:22] <Jucato> ok
[04:23] <cj_> Alexius72: which CPU are you using?
[04:23] <uga> Jucato: there's a nice tut. here: http://www.linux.com/articles/55380
[04:24] <uga> Jucato: do you have access to the bot, to add some link like that?
[04:25] <Jucato> uga: I can. But I try not to add factoids that I can't personally confirm. you could ask someone else I guess. like PM the bot and tell him flash64 is blah blah blah
[04:26] <Alexius72> cj_: i'm using an EMT64, a Pentivm IV HT
[04:26] <cj_> Alexius72: then you shouldn't be running the 64-bit edition of ubuntu
[04:26] <uga> Jucato: I could give you ssh access to my box and you could test? =)
[04:26] <cj_> Alexius72: and wont have to worry about flash at all
[04:26] <Jucato> uga:  no thanks
[04:27] <uga> Jucato: PM the bot????
[04:27] <Jucato> uga: yes
[04:27] <Jucato> private message
[04:27] <DaSkreech> uga~
[04:28] <aljoscha> Hello, I have a problem with Audio-CDs... I can play them in amarok but I can't open them with konquerer. When I try to open with konquerer, I get an error that i can't access to "/dev/cdrom" and ich think the problem is that my cdroms have the names "cdrom0" and "cdrom1" - not "cdrom"! ... Does somebody know how to fix this problem? Thanks.
[04:28] <DaSkreech> aljoscha: How are you opening them/
[04:28] <Capt_Carrot> uh
[04:28] <Capt_Carrot>  /dev/cdrom is different than /media/cdrom0
[04:28] <Dr_willis> Isent there a kioslave for kde that lets the cd show up as a bunch of mp3 (or other) files?
[04:28] <Capt_Carrot> and you probably can't access them because they're *audio cds*
[04:29] <emilsedgh> audiocd:/
[04:29] <aljoscha> i click on the link on my desktop which appears when i put in the cd
[04:29] <emilsedgh> Dr_willis: go to audiocd:/
[04:29] <Capt_Carrot> so without (as willis was talkin' bout) using that kioslave, you're pretty much SOL.
[04:29] <virako> join #sugus
[04:29] <virako> #sugus
[04:29] <virako> canal #sugus
[04:29] <Capt_Carrot> stop spamming
[04:29] <virako> help
[04:29] <Capt_Carrot> spamming
[04:29] <bazhang> the rumble of thunder...
[04:30] <aljoscha> audiocd:/ doesn't work
[04:30] <aljoscha> it gives the same error
[04:30] <Capt_Carrot> do you have two drives?
[04:31] <aljoscha> "/dev/cdrom kann nicht gelesen werden" - can't read /dev/cdrom
[04:31] <aljoscha> yes
[04:31] <Capt_Carrot> try using the other one?
[04:31] <aljoscha> the same problem
[04:31] <DaSkreech> virako: What do you need help with?
[04:32] <uga> Jucato: I had missed that. Same tutorial explains how to use nspluginwrapper at the end
[04:32] <Capt_Carrot> but you can play them
[04:32] <uga> the one suggesting the 32bit firefox. I wonder why they do that
[04:32] <Jucato> ok
[04:33] <Alexius72> ok guys
[04:33] <Alexius72> i must go out
[04:33] <uga> it should mention both methods at the beginning. Only after installing tons of package instructions, it comments on it
[04:33] <Alexius72> i'll search something on the web
[04:33] <Alexius72> see you later
[04:33] <Alexius72> tx
[04:35] <aljoscha> yes i can play them... when ich put in die cd, kubuntu shows me a popup where i can choose different options. "open in a new window" doesn't work, aber "play with amarok" works! - but when I later click with the right mouse button on the "Audio-CD" link on the desktop und click "play with amarok", it doesn't work. it seems like the audiocd:/ function have wrong settings!?
[04:35] <aljoscha> "when ich put in die cd" = when i put in the cd ;) sorry
[04:37] <jpatrick> aljoscha: mach nichts!
[04:37] <b0nza1> well.. update broken again.. bummer
[04:37] <uga> aljoscha: audiocd kioslave is part of kdemultimedia. Maybe you don't have it installed?
[04:37] <uga> a second... I'll check the package name
[04:38] <uga> aljoscha: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins: /usr/lib/kde3/kio_audiocd.so
[04:38] <Ace_NoOne> is there a First Steps guide of things to do after installing Kubuntu for the first time?
[04:38] <uga> aljoscha: do you have that file? or that package installed?
[04:38] <Ace_NoOne> e.g. set up multiverse, Compiz-Fusion etc.
[04:39] <aljoscha> uga: yes, i have it
[04:39] <emilsedgh> Ace_NoOne: compiz fusion is what you do after installing kubuntu?!
[04:39] <uga> aljoscha: uhmpf. Then something is broken =(
[04:40] <aljoscha> hmmm :(
[04:40] <aljoscha> maybe reinstall the kdemultimedia-kio-plugins package?
[04:41] <Ace_NoOne> emilsedgh: I couldn't think of a better example (that's why I need such a guide :D )
[04:42] <jzilla> i found a 13 must things to do list thing
[04:42] <jzilla> its pretty helpfull, but i didnt do all of them
[04:42] <animatedeath> compiz-fusion is installed by default on ubuntu 7.10   is it that way on Kubuntu7.10 as well?
[04:42] <Ace_NoOne> jzilla: http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/02/13-things-to-do-immediately-after.html ?
[04:43] <Dr_willis> animatedeath,  I dont think so.
[04:43] <Ace_NoOne> animatedeath: it's installed, but not active - or is it?
[04:43] <cj_> it's not installed by default, at least not in the most recent snapshot
[04:43] <Ace_NoOne> I mean Ubuntu
[04:43] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu is waiting for kde4  i belive to implement the fancy eye candy stuff. thers packages for it in the repos however. (but whats default and so forth may change)
[04:43] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu has the Compiz stuff yes.
[04:44] <cj_> Dr_willis: will kde4 be in the final gutsy release?
[04:44] <Ace_NoOne> cj_: KDE4 won't be ready till Dec
[04:44] <Dr_willis> cj_,  no. kde4 is still very very much a work in progress.
[04:44] <animatedeath> I have been using ubutnu 7.10 for about a month, i just did an install of Kubuntu to see if I like KDE better than Gnome
[04:44] <emilsedgh> cj_: gutsy will be release in a few days and kde 4.0 will be released in a few months!
[04:44] <ardchoille> jzilla , Ace_NoOne: whatever you do, stay away from automatix
[04:45] <Ace_NoOne> ardchoille: is that the one that destroys stuff?
[04:45] <ardchoille> Ace_NoOne: yes
[04:45] <Dr_willis> One good thing about Gutsy. It sort of sticks a knife in the need for automatix (not that there really WAS much of a need)
[04:45] <dthacker-lt> "the utility that must not be named"
[04:45] <Ace_NoOne> good to know
[04:45] <Ace_NoOne> Dr_willis: how's that
[04:45] <jzilla> yeah i know better ;o
[04:45] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Good to hear that
[04:45] <aljoscha> reinstall didn't help :(
[04:45] <Dr_willis> 'i cant bother to learn the proper way to do somthing' ' so i will use this script that the company says NOT to use...'
[04:45] <ardchoille> lol
[04:46] <Dr_willis> Ace_NoOne,  i was able to get all the stuff automatix 'installed'  - installed without automatix - in just a few min.
[04:46] <Dr_willis> of course automatix totally skips over the  'legal isssues' that people should be made aware of.
[04:46] <Ace_NoOne> Dr_willis: well, what's special about automatix in the first place (newbie here)
[04:47] <Dr_willis> Ace_NoOne,  it was basicially a real fancy script. that set up some repos, installed things, and did a few other tweaks.. THEN the flamewars started..
[04:47] <Dr_willis> !automatix
[04:47] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:47] <Dr_willis> and it has some huge security issues according to that artical.
[04:47] <dthacker-lt> "at first we thought they were just another snake cult"--Conan the Barbarian
[04:47] <Vermux> !adept
[04:47] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:48] <Ace_NoOne> so one of the first things is to decide on a package manager (if not Adept)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> The 'package managers' are all basicially front ends to the apt system
[04:49] <Dr_willis> you can use synaptic if you perfer it over adept.
[04:49] <ardchoille> and apt-get is faster than the gui's
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Adept seems VERY slow when selecting new things to install.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> check the box wait 5-10 sec.. check next thing...
[04:50] <Dr_willis> Not sure whats up with that.
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Ace_NoOne: KDE4.0 will be ready Dec
[04:51] <Ace_NoOne> DaSkreech: that's what I said!?
[04:51] <DaSkreech> KDE4 won't be ready till they get bored
[04:51] <dthacker-lt> everything you check generates another dependency check.
[04:52] <mankeletor> how can I see the standard (konqui spleeping) kde3 shout down screen?
[04:52] <aljoscha> can someone help me? i can't access audiocd:/ - error "can't read /dev/cdrom"
[04:53] <Jucato> mankeletor: hold on for a while
[04:53] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  see what device /dev/cdrom is pointing to. it may be pointing to the OTHER cd drive., (if you have 2)
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Wowsers Riaa wins.. :( today's RIAA verdict, which granted the RIAA a precedent-setting victory and $220,000 in damages
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Time for a total boycot of buying ANY music at all for a few months.
[04:53] <aljoscha> Dr_willis: but both don't work
[04:54] <Jucato> mankeletor: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080988.msg59783#msg59783
[04:54] <mankeletor> Jucato: thanx ^^
[04:54] <aljoscha> Dr_willis: how can i see to which drive it is pointed to?
[04:54] <teacher1> Can somehelp me i can't get my wireless cards to work on kubuntu
[04:55] <Dr_willis> alejandro,  ls -l /dev/cdrom
[04:55] <teacher1> i have linksys usb
[04:56] <aljoscha> it is pointed to "hdd"
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Ace_NoOne: KDE 4.0 != KDE4
[04:56] <Ace_NoOne> DaSkreech: I had no idea!?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  and your cd drive is hdd? or is it not? :) is the  question.
[04:57] <epsilorn> hi all, got a problem with my audio card (kubuntu 7.10), when i insert headphones speakers do not mute and no sound come from headphones, moreover mute key on my keyboard make the mute on message appear but it doesn't mute anything!
[04:57] <Ace_NoOne> what's the difference, DaSkreech
[04:57] <aljoscha> no it's not ;)
[04:57] <aalhamad> where  can i find Kate pluigins for latx?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> KDE4 is a idea  roadmap of what it is possible
[04:57] <DaSkreech> KDE 4.0 is the first baby step on the road
[04:57] <aljoscha> Dr_willis: thanks for help to find the problem ;) can you tell me how to edit it, pls?
[04:57] <teacher1> does anyone know hoe to configure a wireless card in 7.04
[04:58] <bazhang> teacher1: which card?
[04:58] <hydrogen> basically kde4.0 is a "its not ready to release but we are putting it out there anyways"
[04:58] <Ace_NoOne> DaSkreech: well, but KDE 4.0 will be the one everyone's hyping right now, no?
[04:58] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: KDE 4 refers to a whole life cycle for KDE, covering a series of major releases (KDE 4.0, KDE 4.1, KDE 4.2, etc) and minor realses (KDE 4.0.1, KDE 4.0.2, etc)
[04:58] <kristjan_> is it possible to download more up-to-date gutsy iso than gutsy beta?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  Not sure really. :0 all that stuff is dynamicly made. i thought
[04:58] <Ace_NoOne> Jucato: well, yeah, like with pretty much any piece of software
[04:58] <teacher1> well i have a linksys wireless g wpc54gs ver 2
[04:59] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  may want to check the forums for '/dev/cdrom wrong device'
[04:59] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  or TELL the player to use /dev/hdc or whatever the cd really is. :)
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Ace_NoOne: Yes but don't expect all news about KDE4 to be true for KDE 4.0
[04:59] <hydrogen> Ace_NoOne: kde4.0 was the one everyone was hyped until people realized it wasn't a good idea and then everyone backed up and started repeating the KDE4 != KDE4.0 mess
[04:59] <Jucato> Ace_NoOne: but what KDE 4.0 != KDE 4 practically means is that KDE 4.0, the first initial release in the KDE 4 lifecycle, is not "the" KDE 4 itself
[04:59] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  there may also be a /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom1 device. check them also
[04:59] <Ace_NoOne> thanks for the clarification, guys
[04:59] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: The devs have always said KDE 4.0 != KDE4
[05:00] <hydrogen> DaSkreech: they have also said "When kde4 is released.. blah blah blah"
[05:00] <teacher1> and i have a linksys usb g adapter neither one works
[05:00] <hydrogen> DaSkreech: now call me crazy, but if you are talking about kde4 as a release it makes the most sense to assume you are ommiting a 0 rather than a 1 or a 2
[05:01] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: maybe they meant that fuzzy feeling of happiness when you think the release is good :)
[05:02] <aljoscha> Dr_willis: okay thanks, but can you tell me what my cdroms really are? /dev/hdc? or /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1
[05:02] <Dr_willis> aljoscha,  i just know what ones mine are because Ive messed with my machine so much. :)
[05:02] <Dr_willis> depends on which ide channel they are on, hda, hdb, hdc, hdd
[05:02] <Dr_willis> i even got hde hdf hdg hdh. heh ...
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Gotta love addon ide controller cards.
[05:03] <arkygeek> hihi
[05:03] <TunaTom> aljoscha: From the ones _you_ mentioned, only /dev/hdc is an actual device.
[05:04] <TunaTom> device _node_
[05:04] <Dr_willis> Yea. the other /dev/cdrom0 and so on are 'links' to the actual devices with nicer names
[05:05] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/cd*
[05:05] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-10-05 01:29 /dev/cdrom -> hda
[05:05] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-10-05 01:29 /dev/cdrw -> hda
[05:05] <Dr_willis> the --> shows that its a 'link' from cdrom to hda, in this machine.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> and since its also a burner. I got 2 devices. :)
[05:06] <ardchoille> Man, OO.o is huge. I don't even use it and it takes so long to upgrade
[05:07] <cj_> ardchoille: remove it then
[05:07] <ardchoille> I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled it
[05:07] <Jucato> why not uninstall it?
[05:07] <ardchoille> I think I will
[05:07] <DaSkreech> What's the difference between A true font and a open font?
[05:07] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: I did. Koffice is pretty slim
[05:08] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: That's what I use
[05:08] <uga> kile is nice too
[05:08] <DaSkreech> !font
[05:08] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[05:08] <JuJuBee_> Is there a linux program to convert uif to iso or even burn it to CD/DVD/
[05:09] <arkygeek> so a weird thing has just happened.  after working perfectly for a long time, my display is borked ... like it is in 256 colors or something
[05:09] <cj_> JuJuBee: mkisofs?
[05:09] <arkygeek> but i go to nVidia panel, and it is set top millions
[05:09] <uga> DaSkreech: open font? sounds like those free-to-use opensource truetype fonts. But still truetype format
[05:09] <JuJuBee_> cj_ : never heard of it.  Have you used it?
[05:10] <cj_> JuJuBee_: all the time
[05:10] <JuJuBee_> Does it convert from uif to iso?  It doesn't look  like it does...
[05:11] <uga> JuJuBee_: it looks like .uif is a closed proprietary format, used by a single application
[05:11] <uga> MagicISO
[05:11] <cj_> quite possibly not
[05:11] <JuJuBee_> Yea, Magiciso
[05:11] <uga> who on earth sent you thtat =)
[05:11] <uga> just don't use MagicCrap =)
[05:11] <JuJuBee_> I downloaded by accidentl.  Wasn't looking at the extension.,.. my bad :(
[05:12] <uga> JuJuBee_: MagicIso can convert from .uif to .iso
[05:12] <uga> according to the site
[05:12] <uga> so just convert it...
[05:12] <JuJuBee_> I read that the demo/trial doesnt convert...
[05:12] <uga> oh well...
[05:13] <bazhang> vendor lock-in
[05:13] <uga> I don't think there's much you can do
[05:13] <kqr> hey
[05:13] <kqr> error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:14] <kqr> i can't find libgtk-1.2.so.0 in adept
[05:14] <kqr> :/
[05:14] <kqr> (i'm quite new to linux)
[05:14] <kqr> i tried installing some libgtk1.2, but that didn't help
[05:14] <uga> kqr: libgtk1.2 provides it here
[05:15] <uga> maybe it's missing a symlink. A second
[05:15] <ardchoille> kqr: That's a .so.0 file, Likely it won't be a package itself, you probably need some libgtk-1 something
[05:15] <applegrew> hey in the past half an hour my X server has rebooted 3 timeesssssssss. This has never happened before. Xorg.log shows no errors. What could be goin on????
[05:15] <kqr> ardchoille; that's my thought as well, but after installing libgtk1.2 nothing changed
[05:15] <hdevalence> does anyone know if there is a thing that's like rapidshare but it's a torrent tracker?
[05:15] <uga> kqr: yes, that file is a symbolic link. Can you check which version you have installed?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> uga: Apparently True fonts are made by Apple and open fonts are made by Microsoft
[05:16] <uga> kqr: ls -l /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2*
[05:16] <kqr> uga; sure, how? ;P
[05:16] <cj_> kqr: find / -name 'libgtk-1.2.so.0' -exec export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$( dirname {} ):$LD_LIBRARY_PATH \; ./program
[05:16] <kqr> uga, ok
[05:16] <uga> cj_: the file is missing. Obviously /usr/lib/ is in the path =)
[05:16] <uga> it's a symlink
[05:16] <kqr> kr1sse@LINUXGAME:~$ sudo ls -l /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2*
[05:16] <kqr> ls: /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2*: No such file or directory
[05:16] <uga> ouch!
[05:17] <uga> kqr: are you sure it installed libgtk-1.2?
[05:17] <uga> it should be there
[05:17] <cj_> uga: who says it wasn't installed to a stupid location?
[05:17] <ardchoille> uga: I get the "file missing" return too
[05:17] <uga> kqr: try sudo apt-get install libgtk-1.2
[05:17] <applegrew> hey in the past half an hour my X server has rebooted 3 timeesssssssss. This has never happened before. Xorg.log shows no errors. What could be goin on????
[05:17] <uga> cj_: well, that'd mean a seriously broken package in feisty possibly... and that's strange
[05:17] <kqr> uga:
[05:17] <kqr> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:17] <kqr> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> applegrew: stuck keys?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> applegrew: shift+backspace?
[05:18] <uga> kqr: you need to close other installer applications, like adept manager
[05:18] <kqr> uga: ofc, sry :P
[05:18] <cj_> uga: sorry - i keep forgetting everyone here relies on packagesd
[05:18] <cj_> s/d$//
[05:18] <kqr> uga; couldn't find package libgtk-1.2
[05:18] <kqr> hmm
[05:18] <kqr> libgtk1.2 exists in one way or another
[05:19] <uga> cj_: those that don't, don't call themselves noobies and know how to fix then when not properly installed ;))
[05:19] <uga> kqr: okay, that explains
[05:19] <cj_> uga: tehe
[05:19] <kqr> uga: that installation went fine
[05:19] <kqr> uga; seems to work now
[05:19] <kqr> uga; thanks a lot :D
[05:19] <applegrew> DaSkreech I ofcourse didn't press that. I am aware of that key combination
[05:19] <uga> kqr: what?
[05:20] <kqr> uga; the sh-file i tried to run goes fine now :)
[05:20] <applegrew> DaSkreech: I ofcourse didn't press that.
[05:20] <DaSkreech> applegrew: Ok
[05:22] <uga> lol sorry, no
[05:22] <uga> I was just confused =)
[05:25] <Roey> hey uga
[05:25] <Roey> ltns
[05:25] <uP|Pepe> hi
[05:26] <cj_> uga: the apt-get install libgtk1.2 in this case
[05:26] <uga> cj_: that package exists here
[05:26] <uga> I wonder why didn't for him. And how did he run the app, if the lib wasn't there =)
[05:26] <cj_> what bug are you talking about?
[05:26] <Roey> hey uP|Pepe
[05:27] <Vermux> Why cant I open BMp file ?
[05:27] <uga> cj_: kqr's, not a "bug" per se
[05:27] <uga> cj_: rather an X file
[05:27] <uga> unsolved mistery
[05:28] <uga> Vermux: you can't? what app are you using
[05:28] <uP|Pepe> why some letters have different color?
[05:28] <Vermux> firefox. Im trying to open it with gmail
[05:28] <uga> uP|Pepe: was that a rhetoric question?
[05:28] <uga> Vermux: I'd bet most people here don't use gmail
[05:28] <uga> Vermux: try #ubuntu
[05:29] <uga> ouch, sorry, firefox =)
[05:29] <uga> stupid g* names =)
[05:30] <uga> Vermux: possibly gmail doesn't serve it with the correct type
[05:30] <Vermux> uga: kubuntu doesnt have an installed software to open bmp?
[05:30] <uga> it does
[05:30] <uga> the problem is possibly that the web server isn't telling firefox that the attached file is a bmp
[05:30] <uga> so it cannot tell what it is, until it's downloaded
[05:30] <uga> Vermux: just download it to disk, and then open it with anything, like gimp
[05:31] <Vermux> web server of gmail u meant?
[05:31] <uga> Vermux: gmail.google.com is a web server
[05:31] <uga> apache, or whatever they use
[05:31] <stdin> probably not apache
[05:32] <Vermux> uga:  so there is now ay to open it without downloading it?
[05:32] <uga> Vermux: possibly not
[05:32] <uga> Vermux: firefox doesn't know what it is, so it doesn't know how to treat it
[05:33] <uga> it's strange that anybody uses bmp these days
[05:33] <Vermux> uga: it is frustrating. Since I downloaded Kubuntu and firefox... too many times there is "cant" and cannot do"
[05:34] <cj_> Vermux: patches are welcome
[05:34] <uga> Vermux: try firefox on windows... does it?
[05:34] <uga> Vermux: it's not the application's problem. It's the web server's
[05:34] <bazhang> patch tuesday!
[05:34] <Vermux> sec
[05:35] <JuJuBee_> cj_ : downloaded magiciso and the dem will convert.  thanks..
[05:35] <Vermux> uga: cant do that now- I dont have access to windows now
[05:36] <ikr1sse> i lack gcc version 4.2.0, but I can't find it on adept and i've tried apt-get:ing but it'sn't to be found
[05:36] <uga> Vermux: see, IE might work, but there's a stupid reason for it... windows assumes anything that is named .jpg is a picture, and that anything named .bat is a script
[05:37] <uga> Vermux: in linux, anything that is named .bmp can be an executable, and something called .bat can be a jpeg
[05:37] <Jucato> ikr1sse: compiling something? install "build-essential"
[05:37] <uga> extensions are just helpers, not a mandatory thing
[05:37] <uga> Vermux: the web server is supposed to tell you the type of the file you're downloading. If it doesn't, the application doesn't know how to treat it
[05:37] <Vermux> uga:  so in Linux all extentions are mixed up?
[05:38] <uga> Vermux: ever tried getting a .doc file, rename it as .bmp and open it under MS Office? it's same thing
[05:38] <uga> Vermux: extensions are helpers. Not necessary
[05:38] <ikr1sse> jucato; i'll try
[05:38] <hdevalence> speaking of which, isn't there a command that id's filetypes?
[05:39] <uga> Vermux: for example you'll find no "firefox.exe" in linux
[05:39] <ikr1sse> still;
[05:39] <ikr1sse> version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[05:39] <uga> hdevalence: "file foo"
[05:39] <uga> will tell you what foo is
[05:39] <Vermux> uga: so word wont open a file that was changed from doc?
[05:39] <uga> Vermux: MS word will treat a .bmp as if it were a bmp, no matter what it contains
[05:39] <uga> try that
[05:40] <Vermux> uga:  and why is that?
[05:40] <uga> becuse windows apps assume the extension tells the file type
[05:40] <trappist> Vermux: windows uses file extensions to determine file type.
[05:40] <uga> linux doesn't
[05:40] <hydrogen> linux does for some things
[05:40] <ikr1sse> vermux; no real reason, it's just evolved into that
[05:40] <hydrogen> like music files
[05:40] <hydrogen> in many cases
[05:40] <hydrogen> and gzip uses it
[05:41] <hydrogen> so "doesn't use" is a bit strong
[05:41] <Vermux> so how linux recognize the file type?
[05:41] <ikr1sse> hydrogen; some software running under linux uses extensions as a helper, yes
[05:41] <hydrogen> more like "doesn't have to use"
[05:41] <ikr1sse> vermux; it doesn't, you have to know :P
[05:41] <hydrogen> no
[05:41] <hydrogen> it does for a lot of things
[05:41] <hydrogen> at least, file does
[05:42] <ikr1sse> hydrogen; of course, much software is associated (sp?) with some kind of extension
[05:42] <uga> Vermux: run "file filename"
[05:42] <uga> and you'll know the filetype
[05:42] <hydrogen> file: ASCII text
[05:42] <hydrogen> kde-devel@Yes:~$ gzip file
[05:42] <hydrogen> kde-devel@Yes:~$ mv file.gz file
[05:42] <hydrogen> kde-devel@Yes:~$ file file
[05:42] <hydrogen> file: gzip compressed data, was "file", from Unix, last modified: Fri Oct  5 11:42:04 2007
[05:42] <hydrogen> yay spam!
[05:42] <ikr1sse> uga; hm, that was more than i knew, thanks
[05:42] <ikr1sse> might come in handy
[05:43] <Vermux> uga: but I need to download the file in order to do that, no?
[05:44] <cj_> hydrogen: doesn't that illustrate extensions are unnecessary?
[05:44] <genii> vermux: Internal to the file there is usually a bit at the front which gives a clue to what type of file. in shell scripts for example the first line usually reads something like #!/bin/sh             binary executable files have ELF embedded etc ... so that the system can try and deuce what is needed to run/use them
[05:44] <uga> Vermux: not always. Most of the times the server "knows" the file type and serves it properly. When you download an html file, the server will tell firefox it's html. When it downloads a jpeg, it'll tell firefox that it's a jpeg. Just this time, gmail didn't know what that .bmp was
[05:44] <hydrogen> cj_: it illustrates file can work without them.. however
[05:44] <hydrogen> kde-devel@Yes:~$ gzip -d file
[05:44] <hydrogen> gzip: file: unknown suffix -- ignored
[05:44] <hydrogen> so it really depends on the program
[05:44] <uga> Vermux: if you have a website, upload the bmp there. It may work for your web server
[05:45] <ikr1sse> version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[05:46] <Tstnz> is there possible to get gnome with kubuntu? can u say me the command line?
[05:46] <Vermux> uga: doesnt make sense that google doesnt know what bmp file is
[05:46] <cj_> hydrogen: i don't understand why gzip behaves that way
[05:46] <stdin> !ubuntu | Tstnz
[05:46] <ubotu> Tstnz: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <RurouniJones> Tstnz: Why not just use Ubuntu which is Gnome?
[05:46] <stdin> Tstnz: ubuntu-desktop is the package that installs gnome
[05:47] <uga> Vermux: maybe their web server does, but maybe gmail's scripts don't
[05:47] <Tstnz> RurouniJones: I would like kde and gnome :P
[05:47] <genii> Tstnz: You install package ubuntu-desktop    then after to use Gnome choose it from login screen as session type
[05:47] <uga> Vermux: I'm half sure that if you upload that .bmp to your website and add a link to it, firefox will work
[05:47] <ikr1sse> version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
[05:47] <Vermux> uga: even when I downloaded it now, it cannot open it
[05:48] <ikr1sse> gcc-4.2 isn't
[05:48] <Vermux> uga: I dont have a web site
[05:48] <uga> Vermux: try file foo.bmp
[05:48] <uga> is it really a bmp?
[05:48] <uga> sometimes viruses hide themselves in non-offensive looking files
[05:49] <uga> it may be an executable =)
[05:49] <Vermux> uga: I menat- it doesnt open it in the downloads window of firefox
[05:49] <Vermux> I can open it from the desktop
[05:49] <uga> ahk
[05:49] <Tstnz> genii: do I have to do apt-get install gnome-desktop?
[05:49] <uga> Vermux: maybe firefox lacks bmp support? strange
[05:49] <Vermux> uga: and where do I enter the command file, at the cmt?
[05:49] <uga> Vermux: where is the file, on your desktop?
[05:50] <Vermux> yes
[05:50] <genii> Tstnz: No. ubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <cj_> uga: if it lacked support it would offer it as a download
[05:50] <ardchoille> Tstnz: If you're wanting the gnome desktop: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <uga> Vermux: open konsole. And type in "cd Desktop"
[05:50] <uga> Vermux: then "file filename.bmp"
[05:50] <uga> cj_: afaik thats' what he did
[05:50] <uga> maybe I'm misunderstanding
[05:50] <Tstnz> ok
[05:51] <Tstnz> ardchoille: thx
[05:51] <ardchoille> yw
[05:52] <Vermux> Outlook.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 290 x 589 x 24
[05:52] <genii> ikr1sse: Even gutsy does not have 4.2 package yet: gcc: the GNU c compiler  Version 4:4.1.2-9ubuntu2 (gutsy)
[05:53] <Vermux> uga:  I dont have foo.bmp file
[05:53] <uga> Vermux: you said you could open it from the desktop
[05:53] <Vermux> uga:  that is what is displayed: Outlook.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 290 x 589 x 24
[05:53] <uga> whatever the name was
[05:53] <uga> Vermux: okay, it is recognised as a bmp file
[05:53] <gorlak> heya everyone.
[05:54] <uga> if once downloaded firefox can't open it, then I can't tell why
[05:54] <Vermux> uga:  so kubuntu recognizes it but firefox not
[05:54] <uga> Vermux: somehow yes. kde apps will work possibly just fine
[05:54] <ikr1sse> genii; hmm, for it is being asked fow :/
[05:54] <uga> Vermux: actually I rarely use firefox. konqueror here, since gmail works fine over here on konqueror...
[05:55] <genii> ikr1sse: What are you trying to do?
[05:55] <master3000> hi@all
[05:55] <ikr1sse> genii; run darwinia :P
[05:55] <cj_> lynx ftw ;)
[05:55] <master3000> i m new an have a question
[05:55] <ikr1sse> just ask
[05:55] <ikr1sse> :P
[05:56] <master3000> my friend has says to me that kubuntu has his own search programm
[05:56] <master3000> what is the name of this programm
[05:56] <Vermux> uga:  now when I "open with "the bmp file with firefox it works. but it didnt work from the web nor the downloads window
[05:56] <cj_> master3000: find(1)
[05:57] <ardchoille> master3000: find? grep? locate?
[05:57] <gorlak> got a question, anyone know what would cause a dvd rom drive to see only CDs, but not the contents of DVDs? (i have a 7.04 kubuntu that has a dvd rom drive, it will read the contents of any CDs, but not commercial DVDs or self burned DVD-r), not entirely sure what settings to check.
[05:57] <master3000> like i search fpr kubuntu firefoy how can i find
[05:57] <master3000> for
[05:57] <uga> Vermux: that's explained by what I told you before. The server didn't tell firefox the filetype.
[05:57] <cj_> gorlak: are you *sure* it's DVD compatible?
[05:58] <gorlak> the computer?
[05:58] <gorlak> ie the drive?
[05:58] <Vermux> uga: gmail recognizr the file because it displays a small icon of the bmp picture before I download it
[05:58] <cj_> gorlak: the drive
[05:58] <master3000> are her a german chat?
[05:58] <gorlak> when it had windows, it would recognize the DVDs and it has the DVD rom logo on it, it wont burn DVDs but can read them
[05:58] <ardchoille> !de
[05:58] <uga> Vermux: that doesn't mean it was served properly though
[05:58] <cj_> gorlak: dmesg | grep -i dvd
[05:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:59] <Vermux> uga: but the server knows the file type- maybe firefox dont understand
[05:59] <uga> Vermux: a second... I'll give you a proof ;)
[05:59] <Vermux> ok
[05:59] <master3000> thx a lot
[06:00] <gorlak> [   22.366001]  hdc: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4521B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[06:00] <gorlak> [   23.135740]  hdc: ATAPI DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
[06:00] <gorlak> thats what the output was
[06:01] <cj_> gorlak: does volname /dev/hdc output anything
[06:01] <cj_> gorlak: (with a DVD in the drive)
[06:01] <gorlak> my_disc
[06:02] <gorlak> but the dirs dont show anything there in cmd line or in the file exploror
[06:02] <gorlak> at the moment i have a self burned DVD with some photos in the drive
[06:02] <cj_> gorlak: as root try fdisk -l /dev/hdc and see what filesystem it's using
[06:02] <crisv8> who
[06:02] <Vermux> uga:  maybe because it is a windows bitmap file?
[06:02] <uga> Vermux: http://www.telefonica.net/web/ugarro/bmpfile.html
[06:03] <uga> Vermux: if that works, my web server is better than gmail's. okay? =))
[06:03] <sliv3r> hey there... i'm just dropping in for 1 question... sorry 4 being so straight... i've got an AMD64 4000+ which kubuntu release is the right one?!
[06:03] <cj_> sliv3r: amd64
[06:03] <Vermux> I opened it but it opened it with qq
[06:03] <gorlak> says doesnt contain a valid partition table, as well as says 1500ish mbytes
[06:04] <uga> Vermux: what's qq
[06:04] <sliv3r>  kubuntu-7.04-desktop-amd64.iso?
[06:04] <Capt_Carrot> sliv3r: you can use either
[06:04] <Vermux> qonquerer
[06:04] <Vermux> sec
[06:04] <uga> Vermux: try with firefox...
[06:04] <stdin> sliv3r: either, both work
[06:04] <Capt_Carrot> how much ram do you have?
[06:04] <sliv3r> difference?
[06:04] <uga> should work jsut fine
[06:04] <sliv3r> 1024
[06:04] <stdin> sliv3r: you may want to stick to the 32bit version for now
[06:04] <uga> Vermux: that's because my web server _did_ identify the file type and told firefox what it was
[06:04] <Capt_Carrot> may as well go with 32
[06:04] <cj_> gorlak: did you burn the it under linux?
[06:04] <stdin> !amd64
[06:04] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[06:05] <Capt_Carrot> what that DOESN'T tell you is that the 64 bit version, while nice, only really shines with large amounts of ram
[06:05] <gorlak> that dvd was actually burned under windows with nero, the CD i tried before, was also burned with nero under windows, but it was a CD,
[06:05] <Vermux> uga:  it works
[06:05] <sliv3r> so this one's mine: kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:05] <Vermux> uga: but it is something blury
[06:05] <stdin> sliv3r: yeah
[06:06] <Capt_Carrot> sliv3r: that'll work great :)
[06:06] <sliv3r> thanks a lot everybody - you just pulled a noob out of bill gatess hands!!! :):):):)
[06:06] <Vermux> uga: the icon is out of focus
[06:06] <cj_> Capt_Carrot: why would it perform any worse than x86 version with the same amount of RAM?
[06:06] <uga> Vermux: well, I didn't mean to upload artwork =)
[06:06] <uga> Vermux: it's that way =)
[06:06] <Vermux> uga: hehe
[06:06] <uga> Vermux: it's a scaled up icon
[06:06] <Capt_Carrot> cj_: no
[06:06] <Capt_Carrot> BUT
[06:06] <Capt_Carrot> you lose compatibility
[06:07] <cj_> Capt_Carrot: perhaps, but you also lose the benefit of your enhanced instruction set
[06:07] <sliv3r> thx again c ya
[06:07] <Capt_Carrot> which even the 64 bit software doesn't take advantage of.  if you can show me one instance where a desktop user NEEDS a 64-bit OS, i'd be shocked.
[06:08] <Vermux> uga: when I want to click and open the file- does it choose automatically with which program to open it, like in windows?
[06:08] <ikr1sse> how do i enable 3d graphics acceleration in X?
[06:09] <gorlak> cj_ so any clue on why it wont see the information? on that dvd?
[06:10] <Capt_Carrot> !nvidia
[06:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:11] <cj_> Capt_Carrot: any software compiled with 64-bit CFLAGS will surely perform better than it's 32-bit counterpart
[06:11] <Capt_Carrot> that's fine, and possibly true
[06:11] <Capt_Carrot> but let's do a quick pros and cons thing here
[06:12] <zimba12> hi
[06:12] <ikr1sse> cj_; when i tried fedora 64bits, i got the 64bits firefox version, and there was no plugin for either java or flash for that
[06:12] <Capt_Carrot> pros, perhaps it might be a tiny bit faster.  it can take advantage of 4gb + ram
[06:12] <ikr1sse> cj_; of course, that's easy to fix, but not for the new user
[06:12] <cj_> ikr1sse: java 1.5 supports 64-bit
[06:12] <zimba12> I installed kubuntu 2 months ago
[06:12] <ikr1sse> cj_; ok, it was some time ago :P
[06:12] <Capt_Carrot> cons. jumping through hoops for java and flash, non-availability of other closed source apps (which end users want)
[06:12] <stdin> ^ drivers
[06:12] <zimba12> in a partition of the same hard disk where vista is installed.
[06:12] <Capt_Carrot> it's a big tradeoff.  a little speed for a lot of convenience
[06:13] <uga> Vermux: yes
[06:13] <cj_> Capt_Carrot: any apps which don't support 64-bit probably have far superior alternatives
[06:13] <Capt_Carrot> cj_: that isn't the point
[06:13] <ikr1sse> capt_carrot; :P then we make all apps open source and get rid of that problem and many others ;P
[06:13] <zimba12> All was working until some days ago: when I start vista from Grub I receive this message:
[06:13] <Capt_Carrot> average users don't want alternatives, they want what they know
[06:13] <uga> Vermux: you can control which program opens what though. It's configureable in konqueror settings
[06:13] <Capt_Carrot> OSS idealism doesn't work
[06:13] <Capt_Carrot> it never has.
[06:13] <zimba12> Error 13:invalid or unsupported executable format
[06:13] <stdin> !ot | 32bit Vs. 64bit not in here
[06:13] <ubotu> 32bit Vs. 64bit not in here: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:13] <cj_> Capt_Carrot: besides flash - what other commercial applications don't have a 64-bit version?
[06:14] <ikr1sse> zimba12; no idea really
[06:14] <Capt_Carrot> you heard the man, discussion over, no reason for a desktop user to go w/ 64 bit.  you want to write a tutorial to get *everything* working, have fun and good luck
[06:14] <uga> cj_: commercial apps runo on 64bit boxes (with x64 os-es) out of the box just fine
[06:14] <Dr_willis> at one time java had issues with 32/64bit stuff. and wine, and a lot of other emulators.
[06:14] <uga> no mods needed
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Not sure what issues they have today however.
[06:15] <uga> Capt_Carrot: you're completely wrong. Everything works out of the box by default
[06:15] <uga> Capt_Carrot: if flash doesn't, it's because it's not an app. It's a plugin for 32bit apps
[06:15] <Capt_Carrot> what did you not understand about "discussion over"
[06:15] <stdin> uga: please discuss this elsewhere
[06:16] <uga> stdin: he was using the "discussion is over" to push his wrong statements. That's not a rightful thing to do. I just wanted to "fix" that
[06:16] <cj_> i maintain people should run the correct elfclass os on the hardware they have
[06:16] <uga> it only confuses users
[06:16] <stdin> uga: I know, but you can be the bigger person here
[06:16] <Vermux> uga: when I click download, if it doesnt ssay which software to open the file with but instead it says"browse" it means that it didnt find a software to open the file with?
[06:16] <Capt_Carrot> "fix"?
[06:16] <ikr1sse> heh, if you want to discuss 64vs32bits, do that at #64vs32
[06:16] <CPrgmSwR2> Capt_Carrot: your just fueling the conversation now
[06:16] <ikr1sse> i wanna see what you get to :P
[06:17] <zimba12> ikr1sse: the weird is that it was always working
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Capt_Carrot: Discussion over.
[06:17] <DaSkreech> ikr1sse: that's what #kubuntu-offtopic is for
[06:17] <kqr> daskreech: ok, didn't know :P
[06:18] <kqr> zimba12; yeah, i have no experience of vista i'm sorry
[06:18] <kqr> how do i enable 3d graphics acceleration in X?
[06:18] <uga> Vermux: click download with what. konqueror? yes
[06:18] <shadowhywind> anyone around that might be able to help with getting a tv tuner card working?
[06:18] <stdin> kqr: install the driver for your graphics card
[06:18] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  what tuner card?
[06:18] <b0nza1> soudn sound sound.. its all abou tthe sound
[06:18] <stdin> !nvidia
[06:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:18] <Vermux> uga: firefox
[06:18] <uga> Vermux: when the webserver doesn't tell konqueror/firefox what the filetype (mime type) is, they need to either guess, or let the user save the file. Konqueror gives you the chance to save it, but it also lets you choose what app to use to open it
[06:19] <uga> Vermux: oh, ff does that too? I didn't know, sorry
[06:19] <shadowhywind> Dr_willis its a HP expresscard digital/analog card
[06:19] <kqr> stdin; i think i have the nvidia driver installed, how do i check that?
[06:19] <Vermux> uga: it does
[06:19] <cj_> kqr: lspci
[06:20] <Vermux> !mime
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <stdin> kqr: the package is "nvidia-glx" (or "nvidia-glx-legacy" or "nvidia-glx-new")
[06:20] <Dr_willis> shadowhywind,  err..ick.   you proberly shoudl google to see if that card has ANY linux support at all.  Might want to check the MythTV web stites also. Those guys know their tuner cards.
[06:20] <kqr> cj_:04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT]  (rev a1)
[06:20] <kqr> stdin; aha, what does that mean to someone not used to linux way of thinkin'?
[06:20] <uga> Vermux: type alt+f2 (or kmenu->run...) and enter: "wp: mime-type"
[06:21] <stdin> kqr: just follow the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:21] <uga> that will lead to the wikipedia page search
[06:21] <shadowhywind> hehe k, i have looked in on the ubuntuforums and everyone who has this card is stuck
[06:21] <kqr> stdin: i'll take a look, thanks so far
[06:22] <uga> Vermux: mime is just a standard to define file types when they're being transferred over the internet
[06:22] <uga> either e-mail or html
[06:22] <genii> kqr: I have that exact same card, works great
[06:23] <uga> Vermux: it's not a linux thing
[06:23] <Vermux> ok
[06:23] <Vermux> thanks
[06:23] <kqr> where is "System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager" to be found in KDE?
[06:24] <stdin> read the Kubuntu section, I know it's there I added it
[06:24] <MetaMorfoziS> kqr > in gutsy it's in kcontrol -> system administration
[06:24] <stdin> MetaMorfoziS: not the same thing
[06:24] <Vermux> uga:  how did kubuntu knew to open wikipedia ?
[06:25] <uga> Vermux: btw, in konqueror there's quite a few acronyms that are very useful. use them like "acronym: search terms". For example. gg: -> google wp: ->wikipedia, en2es: -> english to spanish dictoinary
[06:25] <uga> Vermux: heh, I was slow typing ;)
[06:25] <kqr> stdin; oops, sorry, missed that, i'll check the kubuntu section :P
[06:26] <uga> Vermux: you can enable/disable/create shortcuts like those under konqueror's menus: settings->configure konqueror->web shortcuts
[06:27] <uga> Vermux: so if you want to search for information about donkeys in wikipedia, you just enter: "wp: donkey"
[06:27] <uga> no need to go to wikipedia.org and then do the search (two steps)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> doubles your productivity! :0
[06:28] <Vermux> uga: how did it know to look for that definition with ":mimetype"
[06:29] <uga> Vermux: ?
[06:29] <uga> Vermux: not sure if I understand that.
[06:29] <uga> you need to add "wp" at the beginning to tell it use W iki Pedia
[06:29] <uga> else it wont' work. It'll use google, by default
[06:30] <Vermux> uga:  the rest of the command. after the acronym you typed : search term. how did wikipedia knew to search for that term
[06:30] <Vermux> ?
[06:30] <PetitTonnerre> hi everyone
[06:30] <uga> I'm not understanding you, sorry
[06:30] <Vermux> uga: I meant for the second part of the command
[06:31] <uga> Vermux: if you write "wp: foo", it will search "foo" in wikipedia
[06:31] <uga> konqueror will connect to wikipedia.org and send the query for you
[06:31] <Capt_Carrot> it plugs "foo" in for the search string in the url
[06:31] <uga> Vermux: if you type "gg: foo" instead, it will do a search of "foo" in google
[06:31] <uga> gg and wp are acronyms of google and wikipedia
[06:32] <D4m4ge> I made a dist-upgrade on kubuntu, everything works fine except I have no kmenu, does someone have an idea how to enable it on the bottom bar?
[06:32] <Capt_Carrot> i always thought wp was wordperfect :)
[06:32] <Vermux> uga:  I got that, thanks. so it is written into the code of kq?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> D4m4ge,  right click on the panel, add to panel.
[06:33] <stdin> D4m4ge: right click the bar > Add Applet to Panel, and add "K Menu"
[06:33] <Capt_Carrot> probably not hardcoded, no
[06:33] <Capt_Carrot> i would imagine there's a definitions file somewhere that lists the search engines and format of their search queries
[06:34] <Vermux> uga:  so this feature of search is available only in konqueror?
[06:34] <Capt_Carrot> otherwise you wouldn't be able to add more easily
[06:34] <D4m4ge> thanks
[06:34] <Capt_Carrot> firefox as well, with an extension
[06:34] <Vermux> uga:  I mean, using acronyms
[06:34] <uga> yes
[06:34] <Dr_willis> I think i saw that list in the konwqeor settings.
[06:34] <dettoaltrimenti>  im having a problem with my kubuntu laptop, it won't start up. I think it may be a hardware problem, but anyways: when I try to boot from the live cd, my computer freezes at "Running /scripts/init -premount". Any ideas?
[06:34] <uga> Vermux: you can add your own acronyms under konqueror settings, as I said
[06:34] <Vermux> ok
[06:35] <Capt_Carrot> hah
[06:35] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: firefox too has the option to use acronyms to search?
[06:36] <Capt_Carrot> Vermux: that's what i'm laughing about
[06:36] <Capt_Carrot> i had forgotten what extension provided that capability
[06:36] <Capt_Carrot> Konquefox
[06:36] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: \/
[06:36] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: ?
[06:36] <Capt_Carrot> and i think opera does it by default as well
[06:37] <Capt_Carrot> Vermux: the firefox extension that allows acronym searching is called konquefox, what's the question?
[06:37] <bittin> Hi
[06:37] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: how to use it with firefox
[06:38] <Capt_Carrot> ...
[06:38] <Capt_Carrot> install the konquefox extension
[06:38] <Capt_Carrot> haven't i made that clear?
[06:38] <bittin> Hi
[06:38] <uga> Capt_Carrot: lol, firefox was jealous of the konqui features? =)
[06:39] <uga> or rather a ff user
[06:39] <Capt_Carrot> uga: not firefox, but firefox users, yeah :)
[06:39] <Capt_Carrot> i like it
[06:39] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: now it is clear
[06:39] <Capt_Carrot> Vermux: excellent :)
[06:40] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: but it didnt find it in Adept manager
[06:40] <Capt_Carrot> i'm interested in seeing the next version of konqui with the remerged webkit/khtml backend
[06:40] <Capt_Carrot> that's because it's a firefox extension
[06:40] <uga> Vermux: lets make firefox users even more jealous by stating that konqueror can trasnfer files over ssh by using fish://, it can read e-mail by using pop:// supports usb media through media:// and runs much ligher than ff =)
[06:40] <bittin> Someone here?
[06:41] <Capt_Carrot> ah, but those are kde kioslaves
[06:41] <bittin> that wanna hear something funny?
[06:41] <Capt_Carrot> bittin: did you grow a vegetable in an interesting shape?
[06:41] <bittin> Capt_Carrot: nah iam gonna try to get my dad to move over to Linux
[06:41] <Vermux> uga: but it cant read gmail
[06:41] <Capt_Carrot> good luck, i'm trying to convert my mother
[06:41] <bittin> hope i can
[06:42] <bittin> i know he got a virus from msn
[06:42] <bittin> so iam gonna do the best off the situation :>
[06:42] <uga> Vermux: it can, here. it uses html mode.
[06:42] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: and how do I enable it\??
[06:42] <uga> Vermux: you'll get that fixed when you upgrade to gutsy
[06:42] <uga> Vermux: if gmail doesn't work for you it's because google decided not to support konqueror
[06:42] <uga> the same way they fixed it for other browsers
[06:43] <Capt_Carrot> http://konquefox.free.fr/#download
[06:43] <bittin> and its a good situation so maybe
[06:43] <Capt_Carrot> of course, i'm not even using kde right now, so no konqueror...
[06:43] <uga> bittin: run clamscan on it
[06:43] <uga> to warn your friends
[06:43] <bittin> clamscan?
[06:44] <Capt_Carrot> i hang out here because the people are more cuddly
[06:44] <uga> Capt_Carrot: you can run konqueror on gnome just fine
[06:44] <bittin> i put out his network-cable :)
[06:44] <bittin> from the router
[06:44] <uga> bittin: clamscan is clamav's scanning application
[06:44] <bittin> ahh ok
[06:44] <uga> clamav == clam antivirus
[06:44] <bittin> yea but need to tell dad first
[06:44] <stdin> scans for windows viruses
[06:44] <uga> and some linux ones, possibly?
[06:44] <bittin> that he got virus on his laptop
[06:45] <bittin> he diden't belive in my sis
[06:45] <Capt_Carrot> uga: but i choose not to :)
[06:45] <uga> lol
[06:45] <bittin> but maybe he reinstall win
[06:45] <uga> Capt_Carrot: my comdolences ;)
[06:45] <Capt_Carrot> i'm more of a firefox guy - i work on a few different platforms, so i stick with firefox across all of them to keep a little uniformity
[06:45] <bittin> what do i know :9
[06:45] <bittin> burning Kubuntu CD now and will see if i can use it :)
[06:46] <Capt_Carrot> of course, i'm also more of a gnome guy anymore...  especially with the eye candy, it seems more stable than using it with kde
[06:47] <Capt_Carrot> in a month, i'll probably go back to kde
[06:47] <Capt_Carrot> :D
[06:47] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: how do I install it? I downloaded it to the desktop
[06:47] <Capt_Carrot> i try to stay current with both major ones
[06:47] <uga> Capt_Carrot: if you want desktops just for eyecandy, you should maybe use osx or vista ;)
[06:48] <Capt_Carrot> Vermux: open firefox and go to file > open file, and select the file you downloaded
[06:48] <uga> be warned about the useless file browser in firefox though ;)
[06:48] <Capt_Carrot> uga: i don't think so, but thank you for oversimplifying and belittling my choice
[06:48] <Capt_Carrot> Enter "about:config" in the address bar, look for the "ui.allow_platform_file_picker" key and change its value to "false".
[06:49] <Capt_Carrot> ^^ fix the firefox file browser
[06:49] <uga> Capt_Carrot: oh, I have nothing against you or anybody using gnome. Just found it simple that you just mentioned eyecandy for a reason
[06:49] <n8k99> uga that can be fixed as well, by editing you about:config
[06:49] <Capt_Carrot> *a* reason
[06:49] <Capt_Carrot> not *the* reason
[06:49] <uga> n8k99: oh
[06:49] <uga> why doesn't it default to something sane in kubuntu/ubuntu then
[06:50] <n8k99> change ui.allow_platform_file_picker to false
[06:50] <Capt_Carrot> n8k99: look up
[06:50] <Capt_Carrot> i *just* said that
[06:51] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: I opened it, but it asks me to save it. Then it doesnt do anything when I click open from the downlods window
[06:51] <Capt_Carrot> no
[06:51] <n8k99> some things bear repeating Capt_Carrot
[06:51] <Capt_Carrot> it should ask you to install it
[06:51] <Vermux> it doesnt
[06:52] <Capt_Carrot> try this - drag it from the desktop (or wherever) into the ff window
[06:52] <uga> Capt_Carrot: that's still broken for me. I just don't like firefox's default file browser either. I actually think the other one is better
[06:52] <uga> ie, gtk one
[06:52] <uga> I hadn't noticed ubuntu had enabled that flag
[06:54] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: it says : you choose to open ... which is a bin file... would u like to save the file?"
[06:55] <Capt_Carrot> meh
[06:55] <Capt_Carrot> http://konquefox.free.fr/#download
[06:55] <n8k99> Vermux: are you doing this from within Konqueror or Firefox?
[06:55] <Capt_Carrot> the instructions to install it are right there.
[06:56] <uga> taht adds acronym and kioslave support to firefox in a matter of seconds :P
[06:56] <Capt_Carrot> uga: you can't make decisions like that for people.  they can use whatever they like, even if you don't approve
[06:56] <Capt_Carrot> and it breaks firefox as well :)
[06:56] <uga> Capt_Carrot: it was a joke
[06:57] <uga> Capt_Carrot: what do you think people would do if I went to #ubuntu and I told somebody to use k3b to burn CDs?
[06:57] <Vermux> n8k99: firefox
[06:57] <uga> sure I'd get "better" app suggestions
[06:57] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: it open it with something called ARk
[06:57] <Capt_Carrot> not really
[06:58] <stdin> uga: a lot of people who use gnome also use k3b
[06:58] <uga> Capt_Carrot: if not, it means the channel is dead ;)
[06:58] <n8k99> intereesting- it should give you an extensions installation dialog
[06:58] <uga> stdin: I know, but you think they'll admit that in #ubuntu channel?
[06:58] <Capt_Carrot> because there's nothing better to burn in linux than k3b, that one's pretty much not debatable :)
[06:58] <uga> stdin: they don't possibly ship it by default
[06:58] <Vermux> n8k99:  it doesnt
[06:58] <Capt_Carrot> now, if you had said something about media players...
[06:58] <stdin> uga: sure, some admit it. there's even some kde users in there :p
[06:58] <n8k99> great
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[06:59] <Capt_Carrot> i still use amarok even on gnome
[06:59] <Capt_Carrot> why?  it's the best out there *for me*
[06:59] <uga> Capt_Carrot: I could suggest somebody to use kaffeine  for dvb, and I'd be tagged as troll ;)
[06:59] <uga> stdin: lol
[06:59] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: when I click on install it opens the source code
[07:00] <uga> stdin: if there's something good about *buntu is that applications having similar styling, they don't look like aliens
[07:01] <uga> stdin: the most annoying leftover of the style cloning process is possibly the filemanager
[07:01] <Vermux> help
[07:01] <stdin> uga: I use qtcurve, so it makes the apps look the same (mostly)
[07:01] <snellpojke> do someone know why i got this look http://www.fuskbugg.se/pub/misc/Ubuntu.JPG
[07:01] <snellpojke> plz need help
[07:02] <uga> stdin: polyester here. Just fine. The thing that doen't match is when you try the file browser in a g app or a k app
[07:02] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, im looking
[07:02] <uga> snellpojke: I think that's a kernel dump
[07:02] <stdin> uga: yeah but there are some ways around that (non simple)
[07:02] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, wow
[07:03] <uga> your kernel crashed somehow?
[07:03] <DrakeJustice_unt> that is indeed a kernel dump, he modified his kernel
[07:03] <snellpojke> what is kernel
[07:03] <snellpojke> it works fine on my laptop
[07:03] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: Install it with menu "Open a file..." I dont c that option
[07:03] <Spider_Pig> what is what is?
[07:03] <uga> snellpojke: the kernel is the center part of your operating system. The one that deals with hardware
[07:03] <Capt_Carrot> DrakeJustice_unt: you know he modified his kernel from a single screenshot?
[07:03] <Spider_Pig> who is spider pig?
[07:03] <snellpojke> how do i fix it?
[07:04] <arash> Hi, I have problem with my Kmail, seems like if it isn't integrated the way I want at all, it's not under 'internet' category, it's nothing labled 'Kmail' in Katapult neither, simple reinstall ain't working, any ideas?
[07:04] <Capt_Carrot> Vermux: you *are* using firefox, right?
[07:04] <snellpojke> uga can i fix it?
[07:04] <bittin> nah hes scanning with Norton
[07:04] <uga> somebody will please ban Spider_Pig before the next non-helping stupid answer?
[07:04] <bittin> but i haven't reccomended Linux yet
[07:04] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: Im trying to open it from the desktop
[07:04] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, boot a rescue cd, mount the drive with the grub or lilo, and modify /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:04] <uga> snellpojke: when did it begin happenning. Did you do a system upgrade, hardware change, install drivers...?
[07:04] <bittin> to affried
[07:04] <Capt_Carrot> you open it
[07:04] <Capt_Carrot> from within firefox, as the instructions say.
[07:05] <snellpojke> no its first time i try to start ubuntu on this computer
[07:05] <uga> oh okay, then it didn't even boot :/
[07:05] <uga> snellpojke: is that feisty?
[07:05] <DrakeJustice_unt> if you don't have the vmlinuz.old or vmlinuz.bak in /boot then maybe not... an incomplete upgrade probably fractured a peice of kernel junk looks like...
[07:05] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: it says it is unsiged
[07:06] <snellpojke> i dont understand a shit :P
[07:06] <snellpojke> i aint so good at computers
[07:06] <stdin> !language | snellpojke
[07:06] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: think of noobs. Don't use such words =)
[07:06] <ubotu> snellpojke: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:06] <bittin> snellpojke: iam trying to get my dad over =)
[07:06] <snellpojke> ubotu sry
[07:06] <bittin> but dunno how
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sry - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, i think you need to get another ubuntu cd ; )
[07:06] <snellpojke> i got 3
[07:06] <snellpojke> haha
[07:06] <snellpojke> all works on my laptop
[07:06] <uga> snellpojke: did you install feisty? or gutsy
[07:06] <snellpojke> what is feisty
[07:07] <uga> feisty is the latest stable release
[07:07] <uga> gutsy is the beta release of the next version
[07:07] <arash> latest version of (k)ubuntu
[07:07] <Vermux> Capt_Carrot: if it unsiged it is safe?
[07:07] <snellpojke> i dont know do i need it?
[07:07] <DrakeJustice_unt> what special hardware does the computer that gives this error have?
[07:07] <DrakeJustice_unt> is it old?
[07:07] <snellpojke> yeah
[07:07] <snellpojke> quite old 3 years
[07:07] <snellpojke> a 60 gb
[07:07] <Vermux> uga: if it unsiged it is safe?
[07:08] <uga> Vermux: you can't tell
[07:08] <DrakeJustice_unt> hmmm, is it an e-machine?
[07:08] <Vermux> konquefox
[07:08] <snellpojke> if anyone know how to fix it msg me ;P its too many who talks at the sametime
[07:08] <uga> snellpojke: uhm... and the live CD booted fine? ie, this happenned after completely installing it?
[07:08] <Vermux> uga: konquefox
[07:08] <uga> snellpojke: if the live CD booted, maybe I know the solution
[07:09] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: possibly booting up the live CD, chrooting and updating packages (kernel at least) should do
[07:09] <uga> as I understand the live CD worked fine
[07:09] <DrakeJustice_unt> uga, maybe
[07:09] <uga> then it doesn't need any weird kernel
[07:09] <uga> just a non-broken one
[07:09] <snellpojke> no i dont even get in to the operative system or what i called
[07:09] <Vermux> uga: is konquefox safe?
[07:10] <DrakeJustice_unt> uga, only a redirect to the default (old) kernel image should do as well
[07:10] <uga> Vermux: I don't know it. Never used it myself
[07:10] <DrakeJustice_unt> vmlinuz and initrd aren't usually removed
[07:10] <DrakeJustice_unt> ^ during upgrades
[07:10] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: it's the first install
[07:10] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: he just installed it, he said
[07:11] <DrakeJustice_unt> you can get to a busybox from the livedisc can't you? and 'ed' works fine doesn't it?
[07:11] <cj_> DrakeJustice_unt: of course
[07:11] <snellpojke> the live cd didnt boot
[07:11] <DrakeJustice_unt> kubuntu may still be too much for newbs... try SLinux man... bunch of 'easiness' hacks to kubuntu
[07:12] <Vermux> uga:  ok I cancell the downlaod
[07:12] <deviance> !LTS
[07:12] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:12] <deviance> Whens the next LTS?
[07:12] <deviance> !nextlts
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nextlts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <DrakeJustice_unt> ubuntu harod will be the next LTS
[07:12] <stdin> deviance: gutsy+1 (8.04)
[07:12] <DrakeJustice_unt> 8.04 or something like that
[07:12] <deviance> Ah okay
[07:12] <DrakeJustice_unt> yeah
[07:12] <uga> DrakeJustice_unt: you don't need that. Just mount /dev/sda1 or whatever the root dir is. Then chroot /mnt. You're root inside the machine. apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:13] <stdin> DrakeJustice_unt: hardy, not harod
[07:13] <bittin> DrakeJustice_unt: good iam here then
[07:13] <uga> and you get all new packs installed, including kernels, and an updated grub
[07:13] <DrakeJustice_unt> uga, indeed
[07:13] <deviance> That means I think I wont get gutsy and go for 8.04
[07:13] <DrakeJustice_unt> stdin, thx
[07:13] <DrakeJustice_unt> deviance, good idea... gutsy is buggier than feisty was...
[07:13] <uga> snellpojke: is somebody helping you out? I don't want to privmsg-spam you =)
[07:13] <deviance> :D
[07:14] <DrakeJustice_unt> (at the same stage of development)
[07:14] <snellpojke> no one is helping me :(
[07:14] <snellpojke> xD
[07:14] <taki> hola gente!!
[07:14] <taki> buenas tardes!!!
[07:14] <taki> como andan???? :D
[07:14] <arash> !sp |taki
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:14] <stdin> !es
[07:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:14] <DrakeJustice_unt> snellpojke, try to use SLinux instead, that machine may not work well with the ubuntu cd you have
[07:15] <uga> snellpojke: okay... just follow me then. What did you do to get that screen. You installed kubuntu already, or you tried booting from the CD and didn't work
[07:15] <snellpojke> tried boot from cd
[07:15] <uga> okay, so the kernel in the CD failed booting in your machine, badly
[07:16] <uga> there's no install, there's nothing to fix
[07:16] <snellpojke> ok
[07:16] <uga> snellpojke: now, that CD is possibly feisty one
[07:16] <uga> it may be that the gutsy CD (the beta version) boots fine on your box
[07:16] <snellpojke> ok where can i get gutsy
[07:17] <uga> that's what I'm looking for right now
[07:17] <stdin> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[07:17] <uga> stdin: what's the latest... tribe5?
[07:17] <uga> or do you suggest a daily...
[07:17] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[07:17] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[07:17] <stdin> beta1
[07:17] <uga> ahk
[07:17] <snellpojke> fuck i dont have any cd left i try it tomorrow thanks anyway
[07:17] <snellpojke> sry
[07:17] <DrakeJustice_unt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[07:17] <snellpojke> badword
[07:18] <snellpojke> again
[07:18] <stdin> DrakeJustice_unt: that's outdated
[07:18] <DrakeJustice_unt> oh?
[07:18] <DrakeJustice_unt> sry
[07:18] <uga> snellpojke: okay... good luck. if it doesn't boot, maybe the alternate-cd installs (in the same address stdin told you right now) could work
[07:18] <uga> snellpojke: but I expect the gutsy ones to boot just fine
[07:18] <fawx> hello i was wondering does kunbuntu have a like a task manager like windows nd if so whut is it called..?
[07:19] <snellpojke> ok
[07:19] <cj_> fawx: top
[07:19] <uga> fawx: press ctrl+esc
[07:19] <fawx> kk
[07:19] <fawx> thx
[07:19] <uga> fawx: the name is ksysguard
[07:19] <cj_> damn gui for everything ;o
[07:20] <fawx> just 4 kno
[07:20] <DrakeJustice_unt> im not sure that the gutsy kernel will boot with smp_send_stop freaking out either... that hasn't been modified much in the kernel changes
[07:21] <snellpojke> thanks for all help
[07:22] <glenn> Hey guys, how do I connect to my wireless network?
[07:22] <glenn> I just threw on a cord for now
[07:23] <uga> !wifi
[07:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:23] <genii> !wireless | glenn
[07:23] <ubotu> glenn: please see above
[07:23] <Vermux> uga: how do I c my files like in windows (my computer)?
[07:23] <glenn> Alright, thanks
[07:23] <genii> uga: heh
[07:23] <uga> lol
[07:23] <genii> Vermux: Konqueror
[07:24] <HanzZ> hi i know, that this is not good channel for asking for help...
[07:25] <Vermux> uga:  is this the only way?
[07:25] <dettoaltrimenti> is there a gui program where I can connect to a wireless router that uses WEP?
[07:25] <dettoaltrimenti> knetworkmanager doesn't seem to have the option to put a WEP password in
[07:25] <uga> Vermux: what do you mean by seeing like in windows. konqueror is like Internet Explorer
[07:26] <uga> Vermux: both are used to see files or browsing the web
[07:27] <Vermux> uga:  Ic, in windows I used IE for browsing and My computer/my documents to access drives and files
[07:27] <uga> Vermux: when, in windows, you open My Computer, that's internet explorer
[07:27] <uga> it's the same application
[07:27] <DrakeJustice_unt> Vermux, get the program wine-doors and install Internet Explorer and My Computer then...
[07:27] <uga> Vermux: ignore DrakeJustice_unt's sarcastic comments =)
[07:28] <genii> Vermux: The nearest think in kubuntu to Windows Explorer for files/system is Konqueror
[07:28] <genii> *thing
[07:28] <uga> Vermux: do you have a "home" icon in your taskbar, on bottom? just click it. That's like your My Documents
[07:28] <stdin> Vermux: you see the little computer icon in the bottom panel? click that
[07:28] <uga> Vermux: "home"=="place to store your files" in linux
[07:28] <uga> stdin: oh, kubuntu doesn't ship with the home icon by default?
[07:28] <uga> I thought it did
[07:28] <stdin> uga: no, it's in that menu
[07:29] <stdin> (tho I made a separate home button :)
[07:29] <DrakeJustice_unt> where is a more serious room, about kubuntu internal junk? anyone?
[07:29] <DrakeJustice_unt> kiddies anger me
[07:29] <stdin> you mean -devel ?
[07:30] <Vermux> uga: I dont have home icon, I have system menu and there I have home folder
[07:30] <DrakeJustice_unt> kubuntu-devel?
[07:30] <stdin> Vermux: that's it
[07:30] <DrakeJustice_unt> k thx
[07:30] <stdin> DrakeJustice_unt: yep
[07:30] <uga> stdin: he means a place where everyone knows about kubuntu, and there's no need to explain windows replacements =)
[07:30] <DrakeJustice_unt> im not a freenoder
[07:30] <Vermux> stdin: how do I create icon on the taskbar for that?
[07:31] <uga> Vermux: I have a home icon added to the taskbar (kicker) myself. You can customise it
[07:31] <uga> that's why I thought you'd have one too
[07:32] <Vermux> uga: how do I add that icon?
[07:32] <Alp`> how to change the login screen? i upgraded to gutsy but i dont like the new appearance. i want to remove the userlist on the left side
[07:32] <stdin> Alp`: have you seen the topic?
[07:32] <sainzeo> anyone know the channel for kubuntu gutys?
[07:32] <sainzeo> gutsy
[07:32] <uga> Vermux: just drag and drop it from konqueror
[07:33] <genii> /topic
[07:33] <uga> Vermux: ie, open / in konqueror. Then grab the "home" folder, and drag it to the bar
[07:33] <uga> it'll add a new icon there
[07:33] <uga> genii: topic was set by uga on the 16th of Dec 2k3:  windows vista. How to uninstall
[07:34] <Alp`> stdin: ok sorry
[07:34] <genii> uga: :)
[07:34] <andrea> how can i set konversation as the default irc client instead of kopete?
[07:34] <Vermux> uga:  it gave me 2 options: ass it as quick browser or as file manager
[07:35] <uga> Vermux: file manager url
[07:35] <uga> that will open the file manager (konqueror) when clicking it
[07:35] <Vermux> I didnt click on anything
[07:36] <andrea> where to i set up default applications for the different protocols
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I got a little shell script in my .kde/Autostart Dir. its executable. it starts with #!/bin/bash
[07:37] <Vermux> uga: ok
[07:37] <Dr_willis> but KDE loads it into the text editor when starting up.
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Am i missing someting basic here.. heh. its only a 2 line script
[07:37] <buntux> is it so hard to get a  simple question answered
[07:37] <Vermux> uga:  somanaging files and browsing use the same application both linux and windows?
[07:38] <uga> Vermux: yes
[07:38] <Dr_willis> buntux,  depends on the  question, and whos here at the time
[07:38] <cj_> Dr_willis: whats the script look like?
[07:38] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/bash
[07:38] <Dr_willis> conky
[07:38] <uga> Vermux: that will not be true for the next versions of kde though. The default file manager and the browser will be seaparate applications
[07:38] <Dr_willis> Thats it.. 2 lines. :)
[07:39] <Vermux> Ic
[07:39] <dhq> fdoving, Dr_willis, hey i have a college project i have to design anything and i have thought of a linux operating system a compact one can you guide me
[07:40] <cj_> Dr_willis: very strange - what permissions does it have? and if you call bash ../script.sh does it do the same thing?
[07:40] <Dr_willis> dhq,  guide in what way? :) its been done at least 3 times that i can know of..
[07:40] <dhq> 3times???
[07:40] <Dr_willis> cj_,  hmm perhaps the name of 'conky' is not a good idea. :) it may be confusing it
[07:41] <Dr_willis> dhq,  mini linux disrtos, DSL, Puppylinux, Featurelinux
[07:41] <Dr_willis> theres probely others. :)
[07:41] <cj_> Dr_willis: best to use absolute paths for a few reasons :)
[07:41] <dhq> Dr_willis, well i have to design it
[07:41] <Dr_willis> cj_,  ok.. now to test it. :)
[07:43] <Dr_willis> that kicked it in the head. :)
[07:43] <cj_> hehe
[07:43] <Dr_willis> renamed it to StartConky.sh and gave full path to conky
[07:43] <cj_> did you maybe have a file called conky lying around
[07:44] <Dr_willis> not sure. :) the name was 'conky' in the autostart dir.
[07:44] <Dr_willis> so perhaps it was calling itself
[07:44] <Vermux> uga: so I started to follow the directions in the link u sent me. I saved the key file but cannot find it
[07:44] <cj_> i bet PATH has .: before `which conky`
[07:45] <Vermux> uga: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[07:45] <dhq> Dr_willis, well so its conky ???
[07:45] <Dr_willis> willis@Moo:~/bin(35.205 Mb)$ echo $PATH
[07:45] <Dr_willis> /home/willis/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Well its working now. :) gotta have my purty system monitor going
[07:45] <uga> Vermux: it's possibly in your /home directory
[07:45] <cj_> lol
[07:45] <Dr_willis> I spend hours twiddling the conky configs
[07:46] <uga> Vermux: it's called kubuntu-packages-riddell....gpg
[07:46] <cj_> i've never used it
[07:46] <uga> Vermux: else just try downloading it again and make sure you choose your home directory
[07:47] <snellpojke> uga do you recomend a burning program
[07:47] <snellpojke> ?
[07:47] <spa_zero> Hi all
[07:47] <uga> snellpojke: k3b
[07:47] <snellpojke> hi spa_zero
[07:47] <spa_zero> I have a problem upgrading gutsy beta.
[07:48] <spa_zero> The error is here: http://pastebin.com/d777c218c
[07:48] <uga> spa_zero: read the topic
[07:48] <cj_>  snellpojke: cdrecord/growisofs
[07:48] <snellpojke> spa_zero then you haven't seen my problem lol xD
[07:48] <spa_zero> uga: in a nutshell it says: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[07:49] <spa_zero> uga: and I cannot see the relation to the topic ...
[07:49] <snellpojke> is it an easy program?
[07:49] <bittin> Norton 2006 fixed dads problem
[07:49] <cj_> i can reproduce that problem too spa_zero
[07:49] <bittin> and about linux he answered: mmm
[07:49] <bittin> its anyways better then vist
[07:49] <bittin> *vista
[07:49] <bittin> but xp is still living :D
[07:49] <spa_zero> snellpojke: What is your problem?
[07:50] <snellpojke> i cant even boot ubunto
[07:50] <snellpojke> ubuntu
[07:50] <spa_zero> snellpojke: Which version on what hardware? (sorry, but I have missed all that :)
[07:51] <spa_zero> cj_: ok, so what can we do about it? Has it been reported as a bug yet?
[07:51] <snellpojke> i will try the new beta vesrsion now see you guys
[07:51] <epsilorn> hey boys, have you got problems with aptitude since last update
[07:51] <epsilorn> ?
[07:52] <spa_zero> epsilorn: Depends on how you define problems
[07:52] <epsilorn> i cannot update anymore
[07:52] <cj_>  spa_zero, who knows - try not to forget you are running a beta release
[07:52] <epsilorn> it says another process is using apt
[07:52] <epsilorn> but that's not true
[07:52] <peter_> opgrade to ubuntu 7.10 when where ?
[07:52] <spa_zero> cj_: Indeed. That's why I think reporting the bug is important? They need the feedback?
[07:52] <cj_> epsilorn: ar you sure? try using lsof
[07:52] <Dr_willis> ya do the fix apt fix yet?
[07:52] <Dr_willis> !fixapt
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <spa_zero> epsilorn: then you have to delete the "lock" file.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> !aptfix
[07:52] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:52] <peter_> opgrade to ubuntu 7.10 when where ?
[07:53] <cj_> spa_zero: knock yourself out :)
[07:53] <spa_zero> cj_: The bug report tool is silly, I am behind a proxy and it ignores proxy settings. Hence it is not working.
[07:53] <spa_zero> cj_: So where can I report "manually"?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> file a bug on the bug reporting tool. :)
[07:54] <cj_> spa_zero: does it not accept the http_proxy environment variable?
[07:54] <Vermux> uga: it is being installed now. I hope gmail will work with kq after
[07:54] <spa_zero> peter_: When it is ready and from within your favourite package manager :)
[07:54] <spa_zero> cj_: Nope.
[07:54] <epsilorn> the output of lsof is enormous how can i find what i'm searching for?
[07:54] <spa_zero> epsilorn: use "grep"?
[07:54] <cj_> spa_zero: i'm sure googling "ubuntu bug report" will show what you need
[07:55] <ubuntu_> test
[07:55] <spa_zero> epsilorn: lsof | grep "what you are looking for"
[07:55] <spa_zero> cj_: Thanks for the hint. What is google?? ;-)
[07:55] <ubuntu_> my first time with kubuntu. doing the live-cd
[07:56] <spa_zero> ubuntu_: Congratulations.
[07:56] <spa_zero> ubuntu_: maybe you should change your nick :)
[07:56] <cj_> spa_zero: i could well believe that quesion is real after an hour or so of observing this channel
[07:56] <spa_zero> epsilorn: also see "man lsof" on how to narrow down the results in the first place.
[07:56] <thekooki3guy> http://tinyurl.com/8ty
[07:57] <ubuntu_> spa_zero: nono,it was just a test, nowimleavig
[07:57] <spa_zero> cj_: Do not despair :)
[07:57] <epsilorn> spa_zero: thx a lot
[07:57] <ubuntu_> chau
[07:57] <glenn> Wow
[07:57] <glenn> That was a awsome link :] 
[07:57] <thekooki3guy> glenn, thanks! :)
[07:57] <Luminata> lol
[07:57] <peter_> thx
[07:57] <Vermux> uga: how do I c the size of the current installation. it shows % but I dont know the size.
[07:58] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help to install and config the huawei e220 HSDPA USB MODEM.... for user for portugal...
[07:58] <bittin> i got my dad to say he should try a live cd
[07:58] <spa_zero> cj_: At least you can reproduce the error. So I feel less stupid.
[07:58] <bittin> thats a big forward
[07:58] <thekooki3guy> Vermux, this page will show you -> http://tinyurl.com/8ty
[07:58] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help
[07:58] <earl_> someone ban thekooki3guy please
[07:58] <spa_zero> |_James_Bond_|: what exactly is the problem? And what kind of Modem is that?
[07:59] <earl_> i'm pretty sure tubgirl, twice, is a bannable offense
[07:59] <cj_> spa_zero: i just uninstalled cups - i have a real printer so no need for silly ppd nonsense - lpr/lpd all the way :)
[07:59] <coreymon77> thekooki3guy: please stop, or else you will get banned
[07:59] <coreymon77> thekooki3guy: this is your last warning
[07:59] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help to install and config the huawei e220 HSDPA USB MODEM for linux kubuntu 6.06
[07:59] <thekooki3guy> coreymon77, I had a warning?
[07:59] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help....
[07:59] <coreymon77> thekooki3guy: consider this your warning
[08:00] <thekooki3guy> hey guys.. I need help installing beryl and duel booting vista.. it'z the sux0rz
[08:00] <coreymon77> !patience | |_James_Bond_|
[08:00] <ubotu> |_James_Bond_|: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:00] <uga> Vermux: type "df -h" in the terminal
[08:01] <uga> Vermux: not sure whre you are looking though
[08:01] <cj_> uga: no gui?? wtf??
[08:01] <epsilorn> ubotu: thx your workaround made the trick! What's fuser by the way?
[08:01] <Vermux> uga: adept manager
[08:01] <uga> cj_: any help is welcome =) Is there a fs gui? =)
[08:01] <thekooki3guy> I don't have any gui, either.. just some black text.. trying to install beryl and vista.. plz help!
[08:01] <uga> Vermux: ah... a second
[08:01] <blekos> hello, i am looking 4 smg like flashget and flashgot (mozilla addon) 4 linux, any suggestions?
[08:01] <spa_zero> cj_: I never explicitly asked for cups to be installed. It is a default thing.
[08:02] <epsilorn> ubotu: are you a bot?
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about are you a bot? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <coreymon77> epsilorn: yes, ubotu is a bot
[08:02] <cj_> uga: no idea - i never realised there was a gui for top(1) until you said so
[08:02] <spa_zero> |_James_Bond_|: I cannot help if you do not answer the questions.
[08:02] <Mr_Sonoma> epsilorn: yes ubotu is a bot
[08:02] <ijacek> :D
[08:02] <epsilorn> ahah fantastic ubotu gave me the right suggestion
[08:03] <coreymon77> spa_zero: cups is the default printing system, its installed by default
[08:03] <|_James_Bond_|> I not speak english...
[08:03] <epsilorn> i made sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a as he (or it?) said and it worked
[08:03] <|_James_Bond_|> i speak portuguese...
[08:03] <spa_zero> coreymon77: thanks.
[08:03] <|_James_Bond_|> plz help to install and config the huawei e220 HSDPA USB MODEM for linux kubuntu 6.06 or 7.04
[08:03] <spa_zero> |_James_Bond_|: good luck then.
[08:03] <thekooki3guy> |_James_Bond_|, here's the ubuntu docs in protuguese -> http://tinyurl.com/dnm7v
[08:03] <epsilorn> by the way what is fuser?
[08:03] <coreymon77> thats it\
[08:04] <thekooki3guy> epsilorn, you can read about fuser here -> http://tinyurl.com/dnm7v
[08:04] <spa_zero> epsilorn: your linux knows. Just type "whatis fuser".
[08:04] <|_James_Bond_|> i need help...
[08:04] <thekooki3guy> plz hlep! trying to install baryl and duel boot vista.. it sux
[08:04] <thekooki3guy> nothing but black and text
[08:04] <uga> Vermux: okay, not sure if this will be the same for you, but lets test...
[08:05] <uga> Vermux: in konqueror, type media:/
[08:05] <uga> Vermux: you'll see the list of partitions
[08:05] <|_James_Bond_|> this pc is a windows xp professional...
[08:05] <uga> Vermux: right click on any of them, and select "properties"
[08:05] <savetheWorld> windows <anything> professional is an oxymoron\
[08:06] <uga> Vermux: do you have a "meta info" tab there?
[08:06] <uga> if so, it'll list free and used diskspace
[08:06] <bazhang> greetings! has anyone else had trouble getting compiz to work with nvidia cards?
[08:06] <|_James_Bond_|> i need help to download and install drivers for modem huawei e220 modem...
[08:06] <uga> cj_: that's what kubuntu is about... no more command line needed
[08:06] <|_James_Bond_|> i don't find...
[08:07] <bazhang> oops! disregard...wrong channel--sorry!
[08:07] <cj_> uga: uck
[08:08] <uga> |_James_Bond_|: are there drivers actually? maybe there aren't any
[08:08] <uga> it doesn't sound like a popular device, and the manufacturer usually doesn't provide them...
[08:09] <cj_> |_James_Bond_|: is it a PCI or USB device?
[08:09] <uga> |_James_Bond_|: oh, here http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/
[08:09] <uga> cj_: usb
[08:10] <Mr_Sonoma> what's the package name for the microsoft fonts? mscorefonts???? or something like, i cant seem to find it with apt-cache....maybe im overlooking it or not hitting on the right search words
[08:10] <cj_> |_James_Bond_|: check lsusb -vv for the chipset, and google away
[08:10] <uga> cj_: you don't read my posts, right? =)
[08:10] <uga> cj_: [20:09]  <uga> |_James_Bond_|: oh, here http://oozie.fm.interia.pl/pro/huawei-e220/
[08:11] <Vermux> uga:  the computer suddenly froze. I had to shut it down
[08:11] <cj_> uga: it all becomes white noise after a while ;)
[08:11] <uga> cj_: lol
[08:11] <uga> Vermux: ouch
[08:11] <Vermux> uga: is it because of the new KDE intallation?
[08:11] <uga> Vermux: it shouldn't
[08:11] <Vermux> uga: where is a log I can c what happaned
[08:11] <uga> so you already installed kde 3.5.7?
[08:11] <uga> Vermux: if it froze, then there's no logs
[08:11] <Vermux> I tried to
[08:11] <Mr_Sonoma> !fonts
[08:12] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:12] <uga> Vermux: the machine can't write logs when it's frozen
[08:12] <Vermux> uga: but before it froze- it doesnt write what happaned?
[08:12] <cj_> uga: it depends whats frozen
[08:14] <Vermux> uga:  I opened adept to c what happaned. it displays You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[08:14] <blekos> could you tell me where the root file system is?
[08:15] <Vermux> uga: what do I do, how do I resume the installation?
[08:15] <coreymon77> blekos: /
[08:15] <uga> Vermux: if you were installign something, yes. Under /var/log/apt
[08:15] <Mr_Sonoma> blekos: in the / directory??? *grin
[08:16] <blekos> lol
[08:16] <blekos> ok
[08:16] <jpatrick> Mr_Sonoma: everyone's a beginner at one point ;)
[08:19] <Vermux> uga: it happaned again- I had to power cycle the computer
[08:20] <Vermux> how do I check the computer errors log?
[08:22] <cj_> Vermux: less /var/log/messages
[08:22] <Vermux> anybody?
[08:23] <uga> Vermux: what were you doing, installing?
[08:23] <uga> Vermux: what was the last step you did
[08:24] <Vermux> uga: the 2nd time I clicked toopen firefox and it froze
[08:24] <uga> Vermux: errors arent' all stored in the same place
[08:24] <uga> Vermux: firefox??
[08:24] <uga> that's got nothing to do with kde
[08:24] <cj_> nice a process and run it under gdb perhaps?
[08:24] <Vermux> uga: the first time it was downloading
[08:25] <uga> Vermux: try avoiding firefox for nwo
[08:25] <uga> now
[08:25] <uga> use konqueror instead
[08:25] <cj_> cheerio ~
[08:25] <atlfalcons866> shouldnt kde problems be reported to launchpad
[08:25] <uga> atlfalcons866: sure
[08:25] <uga> if they happen under kubuntu/ubuntu at least
[08:25] <Vermux> uga: how do I resume downloading
[08:25] <atlfalcons866> but when i hit report bugs they go to the kde website
[08:25] <uga> Vermux: you can't resume a download that was started with firefox using konqueror
[08:26] <uga> Vermux: what were you trying to download?
[08:26] <uga> the key?
[08:26] <uga> atlfalcons866: oh my... that's silly
[08:26] <uga> atlfalcons866: lemme test
[08:26] <Vermux> uga: I was downloading the update for KDE, with Adept
[08:27] <uga> Vermux: but you said you were using firefox.
[08:27] <uga> I'm confused here. What froze the desktop. Adept, or firefox
[08:27] <Vermux> uga: I was using it for browsing
[08:27] <stdin> atlfalcons866: there's a very long winded explanation for that, but it boils down to the fact that most kde bugs are upstream
[08:27] <uga> Vermux: the problem is I don't know what froze your box. Was it adept, or was it firefox
[08:27] <atlfalcons866> Whats upstream
[08:27] <stdin> kde
[08:28] <uga> stdin: that'd be true if kubuntu used standard kde guis
[08:28] <uga> which is not true
[08:28] <Vermux> uga:  have no idea- but I want to continue the download of the update for KDE- I remember it was 82%
[08:28] <atlfalcons866> then why do gnome problems go to launchpad
[08:29] <MarcC> does Guarddog just monitor iptables, or is it its own firewall?
[08:29] <uga> Vermux: okay, it'll resume. Just forget about adept, jsut in case. And for now DONT open firefox, okay? =)
[08:29] <uga> Vermux: kmenu->run "konsole"
[08:29] <stdin> uga: kubuntu doesn't generally modify any kde code, we apply a few patches but most bugs are KDE bugs, not kubuntu bugs
[08:29] <stdin> uga: and KDE uses their own bugtracker, not launchpad
[08:29] <uga> Vermux: and type in... "apt-get dist-upgrade" taht will update all packs, including kde ones
[08:30] <uga> stdin: kde devels mostly hate receiving bug reports from distributions...
[08:30] <uga> stdin: not sure if there's some especial treatment for kubuntu devels
[08:30] <atlfalcons866> stdin: then if the bug gets fixed we have to wait to the next ubuntu release?
[08:30] <stdin> uga: there are only distribution bugs
[08:31] <uga> stdin: it's like... dolphin bugs should go to kde.org?
[08:31] <stdin> atlfalcons866: kde 3.5.8 will be out soon
[08:31] <uga> or kwin deco's bugs?
[08:31] <uga> or adept ones?
[08:31] <atlfalcons866> my kicker gets garbled
[08:32] <Vermux> uga:  it says it cannot open the lock file
[08:32] <stdin> uga: the kubuntu-devs send all patches upstream, but reporting bugs on LP helps tracking
[08:32] <uga> Vermux: close adept
[08:32] <Vermux> uga: the same thing
[08:33] <uga> Vermux: something is locking the database. Don't you have any installer application running?
[08:33] <uga> Vermux: after closing them all, try again "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:33] <uga> maybe it's because I just forgot to mention sudo
[08:34] <Vermux> uga: it says: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[08:34] <uga> okay, yes, follow instructions
[08:34] <uga> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:34] <uga> that will fix what started before and didn't finish when the box froze
[08:35] <marius__> ger?
[08:36] <Vermux> uga: ok, it is done
[08:36] <uga> Vermux: now try again... sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:36] <uga> that should get you installing the rest of what's left
[08:37] <Vermux> uga: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:38] <MarcC> does Kubuntu keep a firewall log somewhere?
[08:39] <Vermux> uga: so I guessed it is done?
[08:39] <stdin> MarcC: iptables runs in the kernel, so messages should be in /var/log/kernlog or /var/log/syslog
[08:39] <MarcC> stdin: thanks, is there a log viewer, or do I just view using less from the console?
[08:40] <stdin> there is somewhere
[08:41] <bazhang> Vermux: I had the same problem; after doing the sudo dpkg --configure -a, all was well.
[08:41] <bazhang> Kubuntu gutsy.
[08:41] <hijacker_> LIST
[08:41] <stdin> MarcC: Kmenu > System > KSystemLoc
[08:42] <stdin> KSystemLog*
[08:42] <MarcC> awesome, thanks :)
[08:42] <MarcC> is there software that scans for world-writeable files and things like that?
[08:43] <uga> Vermux: yes, it's fully done
[08:43] <uga> Vermux: if you log out and log in again, you'll get the whole new desktop
[08:44] <uga> bazhang: feisty, in his case
[08:45] <bazhang> uga: thanks! how are you doing?
[08:45] <BluesKaj> a friend was trying to talk me into installing netBSD, and i tried the live cd , it just would not connect to the internet even after appying the right router IPs localhost addys etc ..totally dumb to the net ...unbelievable
[08:45] <uga> bazhang: myself? fine heh, thanks
[08:45] <bazhang> uga: how's your system?
[08:45] <uga> smooooooth
[08:46] <Vermux> uga: ok, it works. gmail works too, but the graphics is different
[08:46] <BluesKaj> gutsy , uga ?
[08:46] <uga> MarcC: if you find such utility, please let me know. I believe I've seen something similar, but I can't find it right now
[08:46] <uga> BluesKaj: yes
[08:46] <Vermux> uga:  I meant, gmail works with kq
[08:46] <uga> Vermux: different? strange
[08:46] <BluesKaj> cool, same here
[08:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[08:47] <stdin> MarcC: find can do that "find /place/to/search -perm /o+w"
[08:47] <uga> Vermux: oh, you mean gmail in konqueror vs gmail in firefox?
[08:47] <Vermux> uga:  the graphics of gmail, when browsed with kq
[08:47] <epsilorn> hey someone got a Radeon Hd2400 and made it to work with 3d games?
[08:47] <uga> Vermux: that's because gmail supports konqueror partially, in html mode
[08:47] <uga> Vermux: there's a way around... you can change browser ID and set it to firefox 1.5. Then you can enable the standard view. But I don't suggest it. It may not work too well
[08:48] <MarcC> stdin: uh...that command returned a TON of files...what's the deal?
[08:48] <Vermux> uga: Ic. why they dont support it?
[08:48] <uga> BluesKaj: it's boring though. I need breakable systems
[08:48] <MarcC> uga: I will look for a utility like that
[08:48] <uga> Vermux: lazyness? you know... firefox is popular now even on windows, so they support it
[08:49] <uga> Vermux: most sites that claim "your browser is not supported" is because they just didn't care checking
[08:49] <stdin> MarcC: that finds files that are writeable to "others" in wherever you search
[08:49] <Mr_Sonoma> uga if you need a breakable system, Vista comes preloaded with broken stuff
[08:49] <uga> Vermux: you just go to tools->change browser identification->choose firefox or IE, and they all work
[08:49] <MarcC> stdin: ok, so not necessarily a risk (security newb here), right?
[08:49] <Vermux> Mr_Sonoma:  so u dont recommend using Vista?
[08:49] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: cool!
[08:50] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: does it come with rebuilding tools, so that I can fix it??
[08:50] <coreymon77> Vermux: is that a serious question
[08:50] <Vermux> uga:  what exactly it does when I change identity?
[08:50] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: and a nice terminal mode? =)
[08:50] <Vermux> coreymon77: yes
[08:50] <uga> Vermux: it tells gmail that you are running firefox. So that gmail cannot tell you are using konqueror and go to reduced mode
[08:50] <Mr_Sonoma> Vermux: i will put it to you this way, i played with vista in a store display computer. IT CRASHED i was playing solotaire just to see what the about the look was diff...
[08:51] <uga> Vermux: it disguises as firefox, to say it somehow
[08:51] <stdin> MarcC: not particularly, that will show symlinks too
[08:51] <stdin> MarcC: try "find . -perm /o+w -not -type l" to just look at files
[08:51] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: cool!
[08:51] <Mr_Sonoma> uga: im sure mr gates will sell you some rebuilding software for a overly inflated price, then pirate your fixes and copyright them as his own.
[08:51] <Vermux> Mr_Sonoma: u r exegerating
[08:51] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: does the blue screen have now 3D and translucency effects?
[08:52] <uga> ie, white floating 3D characters on blue shadow gradient in rotating 3D space....
[08:52] <coreymon77> uga: LOL
[08:52] <Mr_Sonoma> Vermux: no im not, it seriously crashed, i was less than impressed and left.
[08:52] <Vermux> uga: but when changing identity it runs with a reduced mode?
[08:52] <uga> heh, it's nice how I can build kdelibs from scratch in just a few minutes
[08:53] <stdin> MarcC: thinking about it " find home -perm /o+w -not \( -type l -or -type d \) " is the way :)
[08:53] <uga> Vermux: it will allow you to select standard view, once you get in
[08:53] <uga> if you change ID to firefox
[08:53] <uga> but I'm not too sure if it works well
[08:53] <Vermux> lunch time- ttl
[08:54] <Annika> hi
[08:54] <Mr_Sonoma> uga: no it didnt but maybe you should suggest that since it appears a lot from what i've heard, and would believe after my vista experiance.
[08:54] <uga> =)
[08:55] <Annika> is it possible that gutsy has problems with large directories? cause otherwise i cant figure out why this doesnt work...
[08:56] <uga> Annika: how large?
[08:56] <uga> and when doing what?
[08:56] <Minataku> And large how?
[08:56] <Mr_Sonoma> Annika: its possible that Gutsy has lots of bugs as its still in beta testing, but aside from that i dont know, i havent gotten a good working gutsy install yet =)
[08:56] <hume> hi.. I have created an encrypted usb-drive, with Luks and dmcrypt, but it does not mount on connect in Kubuntu and I am not asked for passphrase- did I miss something?
[08:56] <Annika> about 3 gigabyte... im trying to encrypt my system as in this howto http://news.softpedia.com/news/Encrypted-Ubuntu-7-04-61312.shtml
[08:57] <Minataku> Hm
[08:57] <Annika> im at the end of step 2 when you backup your files
[08:57] <Annika> and keep getting no space left on device
[08:57] <Minataku> Check that the device isn't actually out of space
[08:57] <Annika> i did
[08:57] <uga> Annika: oh, on bash, then
[08:57] <Annika> the partition is about 30 gb big
[08:57] <uga> (ie, command line)
[08:57] <Minataku> Type df -h
[08:58] <Annika> k
[08:58] <Minataku> Check that way
[08:58] <uga> Annika: wildcards like * can cause trouble sometimes
[08:58] <uga> Annika: commands got limited amount of parameters
[08:58] <uga> Annika: so if you have like 20 thousand files in a directory, and say "rm -f *", you may get an error that says parameter list is too long
[08:58] <Minataku> Actually, it happens at around 5000
[08:58] <uga> notice * gets replaced by the whole list of files
[08:58] <Minataku> A little before, actually
[08:59] <Minataku> But that's not the case here
[08:59] <uga> Minataku: thanks. I never bothered checking the length =)
[08:59] <Annika> its only 7 percent full
[08:59] <stdin> wtf?
[08:59] <uga> I expected it to be 1024, 2048, 4096...
[08:59] <phoenixz> Hi all, Im running kubuntu on my dell latitude d620 laptop, and ever since the last update, kdesktop, upon starting up, starts taking > 90% CPU and way over 80% of memory.. Is there any reason why it does this, and how do I fix it? right now, the only way I can work is by killing of kdesktop..
[08:59] <uga> !language | stdin
[08:59] <ubotu> stdin: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:00] <uga> =)
[09:00] <Minataku> Well, there may be a correlation with length of file names and amount of arguments, but I doubt it
[09:00] <Minataku> But yeah, it's definitely somewhere between 4800 and 5000
[09:00] <stdin> ahh, that's better
[09:00] <uga> oh, I thought it was a limit in parameter number, not length
[09:00] <hume> anyone knows what I need to do to make kde ask for a passphrase when attaching an encrypted usb-drive?
[09:00] <Minataku> I think there's a limit on both
[09:01] <uga> !language ! stdin
[09:01] <Minataku> But when there's a space, the length limit resets
[09:01] <uga> !language | stdin
[09:01] <ubotu> stdin: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:01] <Minataku> uga: Stop that
[09:01] <stdin> uga: hush
[09:01] <uga> Minataku: lol. I wanted to do that for ages. As he usually does to others ;)
[09:01] <hero> what is the most popular kde game?
[09:01] <stdin> !botabuse > uga  :)
[09:01] <uga> stdin: lol, sorry, I had to, when I read your "wtf" =)
[09:01] <Minataku> hero: "Close the Window"
[09:01] <Minataku> XD
[09:01] <hero> har
[09:01] <hero> no, i'm serious
[09:01] <Minataku> It's like "Drink the Beer"
[09:02] <Minataku> XD
[09:02] <hero> *sigh* nevermind
[09:02] <Minataku> Actually, I dunno
[09:02] <kilrae_> tuxen (i think) is a good game, not a kde game persay
[09:02] <hero> then don't answer the question?
[09:02] <Minataku> You'd have to find/run a poll on it
[09:02] <uga> hero: kde one? boson, maybe?
[09:02] <hero> isn't that what i just did?
[09:02] <Annika> i cant figure this out... how can you get this error backing up less than 4 gb on a 30 gb disc?
[09:02] <hero> uga: thanks
[09:02] <uga> if you mean by most sophisticated
[09:02] <Minataku> hero: No. If you don't want every possible answer, don't ask.
[09:02] <hero> no, most popular and kde
[09:02] <Minataku> I find that to be much better.
[09:02] <Minataku> Now, if you were intending to run a poll, your question is wrong
[09:02] <hero> Minataku: it's just rude to joke about a legitimate question.
[09:03] <Minataku> You should ask what people's favorite KDE game is
[09:03] <Minataku> Not what the most popular one is
[09:03] <kilrae_> but you can't figure out what the most popular one is without some kind of statistics
[09:03] <Minataku> One implies you're compiling information. The other implies it already exists and you wish to find it.
[09:03] <Annika> i like kasteroids, personally... reminds me of dos when i was a kid
[09:03] <hero> what is your favorite kde game?
[09:04] <kilrae> that one with the balls that you have to trap
[09:04] <Minataku> As for rudeness, we're volunteers who put up with all kinds of crap all through the day and night
[09:04] <Minataku> We have earned the right to joke around
[09:04] <hero> Minataku: i volunteer too.
[09:04] <Minataku> Now, while I don't use KDE, I'll go with kilrae's choice
[09:04] <Minataku> That one is pretty fun
[09:04] <hero> do you recall the name of that one?
[09:04] <Minataku> I do not
[09:05] <kilrae> i don't have any games installed, i'm pretty sure it's in the kdegames package though
[09:05] <Minataku> I believe it is a stock KDE game, yes
[09:05] <kilrae> let me check a different computer
[09:05] <Annika> please guys... any ideas?
[09:05] <kilrae> KBounce
[09:05] <Minataku> Annika: These are large amounts of files that add up to 3GB?
[09:05] <Minataku> Or is it one file that is 3GB?
[09:06] <hero> i have kmahjongg, but it seems different than this other mahjongg clone that had better graphics.  can't seem to find the latter one though
[09:06] <Minataku> Because if it's the latter, the default kernel may not be set up to properly handle files over 0x7FFFFFFF in size
[09:06] <Annika> no i want to backup my system because i want to create an encrypted fs
[09:06] <Minataku> Which is roughly around 2 billion bytes
[09:06] <deviance> !ut2004
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ut2004 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <deviance> !unrealtournament
[09:06] <Annika> just like the howto says
[09:06] <stdin> !games
[09:06] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[09:06] <Minataku> Annika: That doesn't answer my question, nor did I check the howto
[09:06] <epsilorn> since you are talking about games, may I ask a technical question? I've got a problem with my graphics card ati radeon HD2400 got someone some experience with fglrx?
[09:07] <hero> thanks, stdin.  already been there though.
[09:07] <Annika> no its not a single file
[09:07] <hero> oh well, rtfm i guess
[09:07] <Minataku> epsilorn: Your problem _is_ the ATi card.
[09:07] <kilrae> hehe
[09:07] <Annika> epsilorn you might want to try envy
[09:07] <Minataku> hero: There are more than just the games that come with KDE
[09:07] <Annika> worked 4 me
[09:07] <hero> Minataku: yeah, i know.
[09:07] <kilrae> there's a fun molecule building one
[09:08] <stdin> !envy | epsilorn
[09:08] <ubotu> epsilorn: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:08] <kilrae> Atomix I think
[09:08] <Minataku> !wfm | Annika
[09:08] <ubotu> Annika: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[09:08] <Annika> yeah
[09:08] <Minataku> "Works for me" is only valid when replying to a bug report
[09:09] <epsilorn> Minataku: ah but the driver are installed!
[09:09] <Minataku> Anywhere else it's unacceptible
[09:09] <epsilorn> that's not my problem
[09:09] <Annika> cu have a nice evening...
[09:09] <Minataku> !ati
[09:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:09] <Minataku> H
[09:09] <Minataku> m
[09:09] <kilrae> support for recent-ish ati cards is a bit patchy
[09:09] <epsilorn> Minataku: the problem is that 3dapps crash to desktop
[09:09] <Minataku> Sorry, my keyboard is slowly falling apart
[09:10] <Minataku> Do they run at all?
[09:10] <Minataku> Or do they just crash immediately or not even start?
[09:10] <epsilorn> i mean, take for example, nexius, it starts 640x480 and plays, when i try to change resolution it crashes
[09:10] <epsilorn> the others same problem
[09:11] <epsilorn> xmame works with all games except vector ones
[09:11] <uga> epsilorn: I presume the application doesn't hit memory limits when increasing the size?
[09:11] <Minataku> Try this one
[09:11] <Minataku> !resolution
[09:11] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:12] <epsilorn> well i've got 2048M oh RAM 128M of videoram + shared
[09:12] <uga> uhm. too little =)
[09:12] <uga> (joking)
[09:12] <Minataku> It's possible that your card just won't work (yet)
[09:12] <Minataku> ATi sucks and hates their customers unless they're using Windows
[09:12] <epsilorn> event not found
[09:13] <Minataku> And even then, unless you're funneling cash into their bloated stinkhole, they're still not very fond of you
[09:13] <stdin> epsilorn: ! is a trigger to ubotu, not a command for you to run
[09:13] <stdin> !bot
[09:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:13] <epsilorn> oh well it's possible but they said 8.41.7 is FOR HD series cards
[09:13] <epsilorn> ah ok :D so noobish!
[09:14] <hero> in query, what command would you use to see a list of the factoids?
[09:14] <bazhang> stdin: way off topic but relevant question regarding gnome: where's the run command in gnome menu?
[09:15] <epsilorn> so what i've got to do is wait for new drivers?
[09:15] <stdin> hero: a list of factoids is http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <hero> so you can't get the list in query
[09:15] <stdin> bazhang: I don't know, I don't use gnome
[09:15] <uga> bazhang: maybe the run command is too complex to be used by gnome users, and they decided to remove it
[09:15] <stdin> hero: no
[09:15] <hero> k
[09:15] <bazhang> stdin: sorry for the ot, and thanks!
[09:15] <stdin> bazhang: it's the same shortcut, Alt-F2 I know that
[09:16] <uga> heh, they kept the shortcut but not the menu entry?
[09:16] <Minataku> Someone probably complained that it was too confusing to have it on the menu
[09:17] <stdin> who knows, I haven't used gnome since 5.10, and that was just until I installed KDE :)
[09:17] <bazhang> stdin: right, but it's not working for someone in #ubuntu-effects. Thanks!
[09:17] <uga> stdin: I used kde version 1 even ;)
[09:17] <Minataku> That's nothing
[09:17] <Minataku> I've used X11R4
[09:17] <bazhang> uga: hahahaha
[09:18] <stdin> uga: before 5.10 I used debian and kde, 5.10 was the only time I ever used gnome (for a few mins)
[09:18] <stdin> well, not ever
[09:18] <stdin> but for a long time
[09:18] <Minataku> I can't remember when I used GNOME, but it was the last time I ever would.
[09:19] <Minataku> I find it quite horrible
[09:20] <hero> yeah, i haven't gone back since i started using kde
[09:20] <stdin> because it is ;)
[09:20] <hero> which is like a year ago or so
[09:20] <hero> although, i find i like gftp better than kftpgrabber
[09:20] <stdin> bah, konqueror does ftp just fine thanks
[09:21] <hero> never tried
[09:21] <uga> hero: yes, strange. Why don't you use konqueror
[09:21] <uga> ah heh
[09:22] <uga> hero: it's the swiss army knife tool
[09:22] <uga> it does everything
[09:22] <uga> except coffee
[09:22] <stdin> what? you never tried coffee:/ :p
[09:22] <uga> lol
[09:22] <hero> no, i've never used konqueror for ftp
[09:22] <hero> i use it for everything else
[09:23] <Minataku> I use ncftp
[09:23] <hero> except for webpages that don't load right with it
[09:23] <hero> which are few
[09:23] <hero> ncftp is awesome
[09:23] <uga> hero: give a try to fish:// too. I love it for transferring files, better than ftp
[09:23] <stdin> I use konqueror for everything except file management (ironically)
[09:23] <Minataku> Konqueror is the typifying misfeature of KDE... the needless reimplementation of existing solutions
[09:23] <stdin> eww, fish:/ is rotten, use sftp:/ less overhead on both sides
[09:24] <hero> never heard of fish
[09:24] <BluesKaj> I'm not a real fan of dolphin , but I suppose we're stuck with it in gutsy
[09:24] <uga> Minataku: I don't see it that way. It does all networking stuff. Why would you need two separate applications and different guis for sftp/ftp/fish/rsh/... when all do the same thing
[09:24] <dwidmann> Minataku: nonsense, it does its job perfectly ... where else can you find such a fine kpart-viewer :)
[09:24] <nosrednaekim> uga: fish is slightly insecure,,, if you don;t have control over both computers you are transferring between
[09:24] <uga> insecure?
[09:24] <uga> in what sense
[09:24] <uga> unstable?
[09:24] <stdin> BluesKaj: you can still use konqui
[09:25] <hero> stdin: what do you use for file management?
[09:25] <uga> nosrednaekim: or do you mean it lacks security
[09:25] <stdin> hero: the shell
[09:25] <hero> heh
[09:25] <Minataku> I use the same thing stdin uses
[09:25] <hero> of course
[09:25] <uga> nosrednaekim: it should be as secure as any ssh connection
[09:25] <hero> i do both
[09:25] <hero> konq and shell
[09:25] <Minataku> Of course, I also use Gentoo and not Kubuntu
[09:25] <dwidmann> or konq with a shell :)
[09:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , the default is dolphin in the system menu
[09:26] <uga> dwidmann: you can open the shell inside konqui...
[09:26] <Minataku> Nor would I use Kubuntu, I find it far too dumbed down, even with KDE
[09:26] <stdin> BluesKaj: and you can change it back
[09:26] <dwidmann> uga: of course
[09:26] <uga> dwidmann: window->show terminal
[09:26] <stdin> yakuake is the way to go :)
[09:26] <Minataku> Though Ubuntu is worse because GNOME treats you like some kind of retard
[09:26] <dwidmann> uga: that was my point.
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> uga: it puts a perl file on  the other side of the connection.... if you didn't have control of that computer, someone COULD replace it with another perl file and gain a connection back to your computer.
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> or seomthing like that..
[09:26] <uga> you don't need any extra shells
[09:26] <bazhang> uh-oh gnome rant coming up...
[09:26] <uga> you don't need any extra apps
[09:26] <uga> you just need konquiOS =)
[09:27] <Minataku> I don't even need X, myself
[09:27] <stdin> nosrednaekim: that's why I say to use sftp:/
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> uga: is SHOULD ;)
[09:27] <dwidmann> uga: sounds great, where can I get it (</sarcasm>)
[09:27] <Minataku> Try THAT with Konqueror
[09:27] <Minataku> >:3
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> *it
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> stdin: yeah.
[09:27] <uga> nosrednaekim: where's the bug then. Please enlighten me
[09:27] <Minataku> uga: Uh, it's extremely obvious
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> uga: coming right up.
[09:28] <Minataku> It depends on a fully trusted setup
[09:28] <uga> Minataku: uh?
[09:28] <Minataku> Both systems have to be trusted by the parties involved
[09:28] <uga> Minataku: if you open an ssh connection it's same thing though
[09:28] <uga> and he claims otherwise ;)
[09:28] <Minataku> Not at all
[09:28] <Minataku> Because ssh follows all proper security protocols
[09:29] <uga> well, if you don't trust the other party, you can't even accept keys
[09:29] <Minataku> You can't get in via ssh without a u/p, and there's also fingerprinting
[09:29] <uga> Minataku: oh, you mean it jups over certian steps?
[09:29] <uga> Minataku: u/p == user/password?
[09:29] <uga> fish requires auth too
[09:29] <Minataku> If, suddenly, the other system is replaced by someone, the fingerprints won't match and ssh tells you this quite prominently
[09:30] <uga> yeah, and fish ignores this?
[09:30] <uga> I thought I'd get warned
[09:30] <Minataku> According to what nosrednaekim said, it assumes the perl file at the remote is okay
[09:30] <uga> Minataku: funny thing is most people just accept key changes without even looking =)
[09:30] <Minataku> If this is replaced, then it's executed without hesitation
[09:31] <dwidmann> ssh:/ functions the same as fish:/ (from a user perspective), not reason not to use it eh?
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah...i'm trying to find that bug. its in launchpad somewhere
[09:31] <Minataku> uga: When I said "tells you [this]  quite prominently", I meant that it terminates and doesn't let you do it at all
[09:32] <jean> hello !
[09:32] <Minataku> I know this because it's happened to me when I tried to use ssh on a network with a DNS Round-Robin
[09:32] <Minataku> It had the RR address A.whatever, which selected B. C. or D. based on traffic
[09:32] <dwidmann> hi jean
[09:32] <Minataku> Names removed for privacy reasons
[09:34] <Minataku> Well, on the first connect, if it selects B., then all is well, but B's print is written down as A's
[09:34] <jean> I'm using OpenSuse, may I stay in this channel?
[09:34] <dwidmann> jean: if you want to
[09:34] <bazhang> this is where it happens
[09:34] <jean> alright
[09:34] <uga> Minataku: well, with ssh you can just remove the cache of keys iirc
[09:34] <bazhang> #suse
[09:34] <Minataku> If A picks B, it's still fine, but if it picks D, then D's print differs from B's, and A's print suddently doesn't match
[09:34] <uga> and you'll be back again
[09:34] <bazhang> jean: /join #suse
[09:35] <jean> alright, thanks bazhang, but I'm just hanging around,I'm a curious kind of guy
[09:35] <Minataku> uga: Right, but you've been told quite matter-of-factly about what's going on
[09:35] <uga> Minataku: that's what i meant. I thought fish:/ would also warn you that the keys were changed
[09:35] <bazhang> jean: I'm in both as well...what irc client are you using?
[09:35] <gorlak> curiousity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back. so they say
[09:35] <bazhang> ot! again!
[09:35] <uga> Minataku: I haven't tested this though
[09:35] <jean> konversation, I know I should be using xchat
[09:36] <Minataku> Well, I don't tend to take pointless reimplementations seriously
[09:36] <bazhang> jean: good choice!
[09:36] <Sin_Citadel> hello
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> here ya'll go http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/45
[09:36] <Sin_Citadel> is there an application level firewall in linux
[09:36] <uga> Minataku: uh? fish is for file transferring, rather than remote shell access. I don't see that as a reimplementation. How do you transfer files over ssh. using cat?
[09:37] <Minataku> I use scp
[09:37] <uga> ah, I see
[09:37] <uga> yes
[09:37] <Minataku> Which is the proper way to do things
[09:37] <uga> I had forgotten that
[09:37] <stdin> Sin_Citadel: no, there is a kernel level one, iptabled (you can configure it with several applications tho)
[09:37] <uga> Minataku: well, I guess kde wants all those for the non-console loving end user
[09:37] <Minataku> Instead of some dumbass, buggy attempt at making things easier for people, including the people it should be very hard for
[09:37] <Sin_Citadel> stdin: ok, thanks
[09:38] <uga> Minataku: actually I believe kioslaves should be modified so that the user doesn't need to type in kioslave:/
[09:38] <uga> name
[09:38] <uga> Minataku: I find it as being a half-baked solution for gui
[09:39] <uga> neither easy nor full use
[09:40] <uga> guys, how does one use sudo with & (background) commands?
[09:40] <BluesKaj> haven't had much cause to FTP , since I'm not doing work related tasks
[09:40] <uga> like for example .... sudo X :1 &
[09:40] <perlluver> My screensavers are all blank, wondering if there is any way I can fix this?
[09:40] <uga> it'll prompt for password, but won't work
[09:41] <BluesKaj> perlluver, were they working previously ?
[09:41] <genii> uga: you want to detach some process from console?
[09:42] <perlluver> Yeah, but they woldn't show up when it came on it was just a blank screen, and setup crashes to login screen
[09:42] <BluesKaj> whoa , something not right with the seup there for sure
[09:42] <BluesKaj> setup
[09:43] <Minataku> Actually, if it goes back to the login screen, it's crashing all of X11
[09:43] <Minataku> Which is then restarted by kdm
[09:43] <perlluver> right
[09:43] <nosredna_ekim> whats wrong? sorry, my internet dies
[09:44] <Minataku> perlluver: In which case, check the X11 log for at least fleeting hint as to what happened
[09:44] <perlluver> where would I find that?
[09:44] <uga> genii: yes. I don't want X to lock the console, but I want to run it as root, with sudo
[09:44] <Minataku> At worst, it'll just tell you what signal it caught and crashed out on
[09:44] <Minataku> lol
[09:44] <Minataku> perlluver: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:45] <uga> genii: but if you try that, you'll see that it asks for the password, but then sudo goes background, and what you input is clearly shown on the terminal, doesn't go to sudo
[09:45] <uga> or so I think
[09:45] <uga> that sudo goes bg
[09:45] <uga> something strange
[09:45] <Minataku> I believe you'll need /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old however
[09:45] <Minataku> Since when X11 restarts, it'll rotate the files
[09:48] <perlluver> Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:48] <perlluver> maybe that
[09:48] <Mr_Sonoma> if i wanted just the gnome desktop and not nessaraily the apps associated with it, what package would i apt-get??? gnome itself or somethink like gnome-core?
[09:48] <Minataku> Nah
[09:48] <Minataku> It's gonna be at the very bottom
[09:48] <Minataku> Remember, it crashed. Why it crashed will be the last thing it writes. ;3
[09:49] <stdin> Mr_Sonoma: at a guess, I'd say "gnome-desktop-environment" :)
[09:49] <perlluver> ok, I also have a xorg.old.1
[09:49] <Mr_Sonoma> last time i loaded gnome i got the ubuntu-desktop but i got all the gnome apps to and dont really need/want all of that.
[09:49] <Minataku> Mr_Sonoma: I'd say "psychiatric help"
[09:49] <Minataku> But I just really hate GNOME
[09:49] <Minataku> lol
[09:49] <Mr_Sonoma> ok ill look and see if there's a pakage labled close to that =)
[09:50] <Minataku> Sorry, just messing with ya
[09:50] <Minataku> :3
[09:50] <Mr_Sonoma> i use kde 99% of the time but everyonce in a while i'll use gnome or xfce
[09:50] <Minataku> I use Fluxbox 100% of the time on my primary system
[09:51] <BluesKaj> fluxbox is cool if i remember right , very fast even on older cpus
[09:51] <Minataku> It's quite light, yes
[09:51] <sliv3r> hey there, back again - new question
[09:51] <Minataku> Light but themeable and featureful
[09:52] <perlluver> Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found), that is in every file, any way to fix that?
[09:52] <sliv3r> is the desktop distro just a live cd?
[09:52] <stdin> heh, it's installable
[09:52] <BluesKaj> ran it on slackware (Ithink), on 233mhz MMX system
[09:52] <sliv3r> oh, ok
[09:52] <sliv3r> sorry for buggin
[09:52] <sliv3r> thx
[09:53] <Minataku> I use it on a 2660MHz Pentium 4 (Northwood B)
[09:53] <BluesKaj> gotta get a nvidia driver that will run in X
[09:54] <perlluver> ok thx
[09:54] <perlluver> think I got it
[10:00] <FSHero> Hi all: I am planning to install Kubuntu on my computer, to dual boot with Windows Vista. Is the partitioning procedure of the Kubuntu installer safe?
[10:00] <FSHero> (it was with my WinXP computer :)
[10:00] <stdin> should be
[10:01] <FSHero> stdin: thanks.
[10:02] <FSHero> Also: AFAIK, Core 2 Quad Q6600 is a 64-bit processor. Therefore, should I use the AMD64 version of Kubuntu?
[10:02] <stdin> you don't have to
[10:02] <stdin> 32bit works fine (and may be the better choice)
[10:05] <FSHero> Why might 32 bit be better?
[10:06] <dwidmann> I can't see any way that it might be better, unless you have limitted memory in your system (64-bit uses a bit more)
[10:06] <stdin> because some things are more difficult in 64bit and some thing won't work at all
[10:07] <FSHero> Oh, I got 4GB RAM :)
[10:07] <FSHero> If I run Kubuntu for AMD64, can I still run 32-bit executables?
[10:07] <stdin> 32bit will see ~3200MB of it
[10:07] <FSHero> stdin: exactly  what won't work on AMD64?
[10:08] <stdin> FSHero: some drivers (proprietary) don't, and flash/java are more difficult in 64bit
[10:08] <hailey> hi peeps
[10:09] <FSHero> stdin: thanks... so I'm guessing you can't run 32-bit drivers in Kubuntu AMD64?
[10:09] <stdin> FSHero: that's right
[10:10] <FSHero> choices, choices...
[10:10] <dwidmann> FSHero, try them both, that's always a choice
[10:10] <stdin> ^ was just about to say that
[10:10] <FSHero> ... well, I think that I might have a crack at AMD64; the version of Vista I have preinstalled is 32-bit :P
[10:10] <FSHero> dwidmann: nice idea... but I'm guessing I'll need two partitions for that, right?
[10:11] <dwidmann> FSHero, yup
[10:11] <stdin> you could just make a separate /home, then install 64bit to test it. if it's not good for you, reinstall 32bit and keep /home from being formatted
[10:12] <FSHero> stdin: ok, thx, I might do that
[10:13] <FSHero> (Only problem: My father made me promise to use just 11GB (10GB + swap) -- despite having a 500GB hard disk!!)
[10:14] <FSHero> While I'm here... can the 32-bit and AMD64 variants of Kubuntu co-exist with each other? In the sense...
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> beg, on your knees for 20
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: yeah, they can
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> sharing a /home
[10:14] <FSHero> ... when each updates /boot/grub/menu.lst, will they preserve each other's menu items?
[10:14] <dwidmann> fshero, 10gb is fine for the system stuff, but you'll want more room for a /home ....
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: they should autodetect eachother's yes
[10:15] <FSHero> dwidmann: I understand that about /home. I'll probably keep /home quite small (few GBs), and do all my downloads to the NTFS partition...
[10:15] <FSHero> ... speaking of which, can ntfs-3g write to Vista NTFS partitions?
[10:16] <stdin> it can, but it's not 100% perfect, so that's not a great idea IMO
[10:17] <spa_zero> FSHero: I just read your discussion about 64 vs. 32 bit. Basically, the only reason to use 64 Bit is either you have some very speciffic number crunching application (probably something scientific) or more than 4GB or RAM.
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: or you just want to be on the bleeding edge ;)
[10:18] <spa_zero> FSHero: For almost all other cases, 64 bit is actually the worse choice. You lose some performance because of the operations having longer words etc.
[10:18] <FSHero> spa_zero: thanks... but I really would like bleeding edge as nosrednaekim just mentioned ;)
[10:18] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: Well, why would you actually want to have a less performance to be "on the bleeding edge"?
[10:18] <FSHero> spa_zero: that's odd... so do all 64-bit OSs suffer from that type of slowdown?
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: never seen that.
[10:18] <spa_zero> FSHero: Yes, they do.
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: ummm I really don't think so. can I have some proof of that?
[10:19] <spa_zero> FSHero: It is by principle.
[10:19] <dwidmann> spa_zero, bah, nonsense, memory performance is a bit worse, but in terms of speed most things are about the same while some others (things involving encoding, number crunching, image rendering, and such, are significantly faster)
[10:20] <FSHero> thanks for your input guys... and I think I shall use AMD64, to try it out. It turns out that it will be rarely used [I have my own comp, and my family members want to stick to Windows :(] 
[10:20] <spa_zero> dwidmann: It is not nonsense, since the CPU can make less 64 bit operations than 32bit ones in the same time. There is also a limited number of usable registers. Just look at the datasheets.
[10:20] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: That goes for you, too. Have a look at the datasheet at AMD or Intel if you don't want to take my word for it.
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> haha. seriously, you think they would make an architecture that would make everything SLOWER?
[10:21] <FSHero> Err... incidentally, If I were to use OpenSUSE or Fedora in conjunction with Kubuntu, would they coexist with each other?
[10:22] <stdin> FSHero: as long as you keep them all on separate partitions
[10:22] <FSHero> E.g. if one undergoes a kernel update, will /boot/grub/menu.lst be updated properly, previous items preserved and so on?
[10:22] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: It does not make eveerything slower. But for now, only a very select few applications make good use of the advantages of the 64 bit architectures.
[10:22] <FSHero> stdin: hehe, of course!
[10:23] <FSHero> Sorry for sparking a "heated" discussion...
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: they SHOULD.
[10:23] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: So with all the applications mentioned by dwidmann (encoding, image rendering, etc.) yes, you loose performance using the 64 bit versions at this time.
[10:23] <coreymon77> what just happened?
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> spa_zero: that makes no sense.
[10:23] <dwidmann> spa_zero: practical benchmarks seem to show things on the level ...
[10:24] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: Just because the programms where built again using 64 bit libraries does not mean they have actually been changed in any way to optimize for 64bit.
[10:24] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: It makes perfect sense.
[10:24] <Minataku> Actually
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> ok,maybe they will be the same, but they are NOT slower.
[10:24] <Minataku> There's additional overhead in running 64 over 32
[10:24] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: they are slower.
[10:24] <Minataku> So they very well CAN be slower
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: what kind of overhead?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Is this still going on?
[10:25] <spa_zero> Minataku: It is not just overhead. It is a matter of hardware. Registers and clock cycles/operation. *sigh*
[10:25] <Minataku> Ask the guys in #gentoo-sparc
[10:25] <Minataku> They know, and they know it on a mature 64bit architecture
[10:25] <Minataku> Rather than the cheapcrap x86 bullplop Common Joe is forced to deal with
[10:26] <stdin> 64bit Vs. 32bit discussion should be in #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:26] <stdin> I wish it was the 1st time I've said that today...
[10:26] <BluesKaj> oh the wonderful world of absolutes ...wish it were so , but to be so convinced must be reassurring :)
[10:27] <spa_zero> stdin: It probably should. But I wanted to prevent FSHero from making a mistake :)
[10:27] <FSHero> In any case, I can try out both the 32-bit and 64-bit live-cds
[10:27] <spa_zero> FSHero: You can of course :)
[10:27] <nosrednaekim> you're definately not going to notice a diference on a liveCD
[10:28] <FSHero> woah, like I said, this kubuntu installation won't see much use, just occasional web browsing and Nexuiz-playing by myself.
[10:28] <FSHero> It's more of an "experiment"
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> ah
[10:30] <FSHero> Well, thanks guys... I'll be afk for a while
[10:30] <spa_zero> FSHero: You will definitely want the 32bit version then. Flash and other plugins can be a PITA with 64bit.
[10:30] <NiBe> Could anyone please inform me how you turn off that annoying system bell that sounds every time a new mail arrives in kmail?
[10:31] <spa_zero> NiBe: Have you not seen the "settings" menu?
[10:31] <spa_zero> NiBe: it is the second from the right, next to "help".
[10:31] <sahin_h> NiBe: Yes, the settings menu...
[10:31] <NiBe> spa_zero: System bell is not an option in the notifications dialog
[10:31] <BluesKaj> FSHero, kubuntu can become very addictive ...casual use is very rare :)_
[10:31] <Vermux> !metabar
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metabar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <NiBe> I've got an .ogg playing, but the system bell sounds at the same time.
[10:32] <spa_zero> NiBe: errm. do you get a "beep" from the PC speaker?
[10:32] <spa_zero> NiBe: Or what do you mean by "system bell"?
[10:32] <NiBe> Yeah, sorry about that. It's the PC speakers.
[10:33] <sahin_h> NiBe: Did you try the Turn Off All Sound in the Notification Settings?
[10:33] <spa_zero> NiBe: Hehe, I never put a speaker in my PC, so I never hear it. Ok. Can it be disabled from the general settings menu?
[10:33] <sahin_h> NiBe: Just a guess.
[10:33] <nosrednaekim> NiBe: Kmail _> settings->notifications
[10:34] <NiBe> sahin_h: That just prevents my .ogg from playing.
[10:35] <spa_zero> nosrednaekim: I think the system bell annoying beep is indeed not an option in the kmail settings, but rather in the global settings "notifications" "system bell" tab.
[10:35] <sahin_h> NiBe: Ok
[10:35] <sahin_h> Yes, maybe nosrednaekim is right.
[10:35] <spa_zero> NiBe: Go to the "K" menu then system settings.
[10:35] <NiBe> Ah well, an "xset -b" works for now...
[10:36] <spa_zero> NiBe: it should be the default setting anyhow :)
[10:39] <NiBe> Hmmm... nothing looks wrong in the global settings either though...
[10:50] <kozz_> NiBe: not possible to simply turn it off in the mixer?
[10:51] <bazhang> this is odd..is everyone at dinner?
[10:51] <NiBe> kozz: xset -b solves the problem, but I would like to know why the speakers sound in the first place...
[11:02] <Vermux> can someone explain the concept of free software?
[11:03] <bazhang> Vermux: makethemove.net or www.fsf.org
[11:03] <stdin> that better asked in #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[11:03] <Vermux> somebody has to get paid for the effort, no?
[11:03] <stdin> no
[11:03] <bazhang> sorry!
[11:05] <phoenixz> Hi all, Im running kubuntu on my dell latitude d620 laptop, and ever since the last update, kdesktop, upon starting up, starts taking > 90% CPU and way over 80% of memory.. Is there any reason why it does this, and how do I fix it? right now, the only way I can work is by killing of kdesktop..
[11:08] <jhutchins_x> phoenixz, I've seen that problem discussed before, or at least a similar one.  Maybe search the forums?
[11:08] <phoenixz> jhutchins, Ive seen it in the forums yeah, but no definitive answer :(
[11:10] <SeanTater> Installing the package "rpm" on a ubuntu (apt-based) system won't cause a problem will it? (I need the "rpm2cpio" program)
[11:10] <jhutchins_x> phoenixz, Make sure you're not running kerry/beagle or other index or security scan software.
[11:11] <jhutchins_x> SeanTater, What about alien?
[11:11] <phoenixz> jhutchins, What does that have to do with kdesktop?
[11:11] <SeanTater> jhutchins_x: I'm not useing it directly, I need ir for a script to work..
[11:11] <SeanTater>  /ir/it/
[11:12] <SeanTater> nvm -- someone us #ubuntu just helped me
[11:12] <SeanTater>  /us/in/
[11:12] <jhutchins_x> SeanTater, What do you mean "installing the package"?
[11:12] <jhutchins_x> SeanTater, Is there a package named rpm?
[11:15] <miles_> hey all
[11:15] <miles_> java channel?
[11:15] <stdin> #java ?
[11:15] <miles_> [Channel]  You need to be identified to join that channel
[11:15] <miles_> o well
[11:17] <ardchoille> !register | miles_
[11:17] <ubotu> miles_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:18] <Tit0u_> lu
[11:28] <jhutchins_x> Boy, the join/part messages really make this channel hard to use without filtering...
[11:29] <stdin> try #ubuntu ;)
[11:29] <jhutchins_x> Found it.
[11:45] <lubos> how can I run startx after boot as a user foobar? thanks
[11:46] <[ifr0g] > lubos, sudo -u foobar startx
[11:47] <lubos> [ifr0g] : create script in /etc/init.d ?
[11:47] <jMerliN> sup noobs
[11:47] <lubos> [ifr0g] : but why I need sudo?
[11:47] <jMerliN> :( my mouse sensitivity is way too high and the mouse options in KDE just don't cut it.. at absolutely minimum it's stil about 3-4 times too fast
[11:48] <[ifr0g] > lubos, at boot it runs the login as root. which then lets you startx as a user you login as.
[11:48] <sokr> Originally I installed ubuntu. Now I just installed the kubuntu packages because I wanted to switch to KDE - that went well, except I now have all the Gnome applications laying around. Is there a way to uninstall all the old Gnome specific ubuntu packages?
[11:49] <lubos> [ifr0g] : ok... even that I have changed Xwrapper.config to allow anybody start X ?
[11:49] <stdin> sokr: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[11:49] <sokr> thanks stdin
[11:50] <[ifr0g] > lubos, yes, that would work too..
[11:51] <lubos> [ifr0g] : thanks
[11:52] <[ifr0g] > np
[11:54] <lubos> [ifr0g] : one more question. I need to run one more script after X starts. how do I ensure that the scripts starts only when X is running?  thanks
[11:55] <[ifr0g] > lubos, Put them into ~/.kde/Autostart/
[11:56] <[ifr0g] > Dont forget the make them executable.
[11:58] <lubos> [ifr0g] : I got a problem there. I do not have kde or gnome and this needs to be run as a root.. :-(
[11:59] <lubos> [ifr0g] : there is a file in foobar's directory which starts scripts ( xsession ) but i can not run scrips as a root from there..
[12:00] <[ifr0g] > lubos, then what wm do you use ?
[12:04] <bjwebb> how do i make the kdm login remember passwords?
[12:04] <lubos> [ifr0g] : fluxbox
[12:05] <jMerliN> :( my mouse sensitivity is way too high and the mouse options in KDE just don't cut it.. at absolutely minimum it's stil about 3-4 times too fast
[12:07] <lubos> is thre a way to find out from command line that X is running?
[12:07] <bjwebb> how do i make the kdm login remember passwords?
[12:08] <jMerliN> lubos
[12:08] <jMerliN> yes
[12:08] <lubos> bjwebb: do autologin
[12:09] <waylandbill> bjwebb: in kcontrol there is a login convenience section.
[12:09] <lubos> jMerliN: ?
[12:09] <lubos> jMerliN: and how?
[12:09] <romuloo> the convenience section allows to remember passwords?
[12:09] <lubos> jMerliN: :-)
[12:09] <jMerliN> ls -ag | grep X
[12:10] <romuloo> waylandbill
[12:10] <waylandbill> romuloo: amoung other things
[12:10] <bjwebb> waylandbill: thanks
[12:10] <romuloo> waylandbill: cool :)
[12:10] <waylandbill> jMerliN: best from a shell would be to examine the current terminal type.
[12:10] <lubos> jMerliN: would not this return value even if X just started.. maybe it takes 20 sec to start X
[12:11] <jMerliN> waylandbill: elaborate :P
[12:11] <rrichie> hi, what package do i need to install for kde4 under ubuntu please?
[12:12] <bluevette> Errm...  need some help.  I just did an adept update to my 7.10 system about 5 minutes ago, now my laptop's intel wireless device isn't working...  not initializing
[12:12] <jMerliN> kde4 packages aren't in the repositories in ubuntu are they?
[12:12] <rrichie> in backports
[12:12] <waylandbill> jMerliN: if it was an X program, it would already know if X was running from the library interface. If it's a command line, you would most likely need some interface to the terminal even if stdout/stderr, so knowing the terminal type would tell if the shell was an xterm shell or not.
[12:13] <waylandbill> rrichie: there's instructions on the kubuntu web page.
[12:13] <jMerliN> waylandbill: i think he means from a TTY console
[12:13] <lubos> rrichie: kde4base
[12:13] <bjwebb> kde4 was useless when i tried it
[12:13] <rrichie> ok
[12:14] <rrichie> thanks lubos
[12:14] <lubos> rrichie: np
[12:16] <waylandbill> jMerliN: look in the processes for the display manager that is listed in /etc/X11/default-display-manager would be a quick and dirty.
[12:16] <Vermux> can I connect to another network at the same time in Konversation?
[12:16] <waylandbill> Vermux: F2 and select the server. It will open a new tab.
[12:17] <Vermux> waylandbill: how do I connect to the undernet?
[12:17] <bluevette> okay... think I found the problem.  When I did the adept upgrade, it upgraded my kernel from 2.6.22.12.17 to 2.6.22.13.18..  but my "linux-restricted-modules-generice" which is showing my intel wifi chipset in it, did not upgrade. and if I ask it to upgrade it says "BREAK (upgrade)" thus cannot upgrade that package... and now wifi doesn't work
[12:17] <bluevette> suggestions
[12:19] <waylandbill> Vermux: as you would any other server. I don't use undernet, so I don't have exact instructions.
[12:26] <addyk> Does anybody have the problem of kdm hanging when logging out?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> addyk: handing so bad you can't restart it?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> *hanging?
[12:26] <addyk> Yes. nosrednaekim
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> and the computer locks?
[12:26] <addyk> Yeah...
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> addyk: do you have an ATI?
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> graphics card.
[12:27] <addyk> just black and with a broken mouse "square"
[12:27] <addyk> Hmm, nope it's an i950 integrated
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> odd, well, you need to modify KDM to automatically restart itself on logout.
[12:28] <addyk> i810 drivers.
[12:28] <addyk> oh...
[12:28] <addyk> OK... lemme check
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> addyk: there is a tutorial somewhere its a common ATI problem.
[12:29] <FSHero> Hello all: I'm installing Kubuntu to my hard disk (I'm on step 4 - partitioning right now!)...
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: ok...
[12:29] <FSHero> ... but this article: http://www.matthewjmiller.net/howtos/dual-boot-linux-and-windows/ says not to install GRUB to the MBR...
[12:29] <FSHero> ... any recommendations?
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: put it on the MBR
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: but thats not in that step is it?
[12:30] <FSHero> Why does that article say not to?
[12:31] <FSHero> The choice of installing to MBR is near the end steps, I think
[12:31] <addyk> nosrednaekim: well it is checked for "Automatically login after X server crash
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: yeah, its is. let me read the article
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> addyk: where?
[12:31] <addyk> FSHero: In the login manager from the control panel
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> addyk: i'm talking editing a config file here.
[12:32] <addyk> nosrednaekim: why does it say that is because MBR can be overwritten by other O.S.-es I think... anyway... I've always used MBR.
[12:33] <addyk> Ouch kdm.conf ? :|
[12:33] <FSHero> Personally, I 've done an install before , dual booting with WinXP. I just accepted the default, I think. Everything has been fine so far.
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> addyk: yeah... but if you don't write to the MBR, you have to chainload which is a pain.
[12:34] <FSHero> atm, I'm trying to install Kubuntu to dual boot with Vista... but I'm doing a little extra reading to make sure I get it right!
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> FSHero: yeah just install to the MBR
[12:34] <FSHero> ok, np
[12:34] <FSHero> thanks guys
[12:34] <addyk> FSHero: hmm Vista first then Kubuntu
[12:34] <FSHero> incidentally... is it safe to leave Konversation running during the install?
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: yup
[12:35] <FSHero> addyk: Vista (unfortunately!) came preinstalled on my computer
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: why do you have vista in the first place?
[12:35] <addyk> Oh... :| No problems :) if it's installed just install Kubuntu next to it.
[12:35] <FSHero> came preinsatlled
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: why?
[12:35] <FSHero> *preinstalled
[12:35] <coreymon77> FSHero: why would you pay for that
[12:35] <FSHero> well... because my vendor (MESH) did it by default!
[12:36] <coreymon77> FSHero: you could probably ask for it without
[12:36] <coreymon77> for cheaper
[12:36] <coreymon77> or atleast get xp
[12:36] <FSHero> d'oh
[12:36] <FSHero> I didn't know that
[12:36] <coreymon77> atleast xp is better than vista
[12:36] <frank_> Knetworkmanager doesn't work for me in the gutsy beta while network-manager (ubuntu) works. anyone else experience this?
[12:37] <coreymon77> FSHero: preinstalled vista is not free
[12:37] <coreymon77> FSHero: they sneak in a charge for it in the price of the comp
[12:37] <FSHero> coreymon77: yeah,I know that the windows licence is included in the price
[12:37] <FSHero> but... well, I didn't think of asking for Windows XP :P
[12:37] <thommy> i've a problem
[12:38] <addyk> Hmm, where're kdm settings stored on ubuntu? (o.O) it's not in /etc/X11
[12:38] <FSHero> In fact, I think that the Vista Home Premium was less expensive than WinXP Pro SP2
[12:38] <thommy> i use xubuntu
[12:38] <addyk> thommy:  :) well there is #xubuntu but what problem is ther to xubuntu?
[12:38] <addyk> (there)
[12:38] <FSHero> I suppose I could've asked them for WinXP Home (it wasn't an option on the website though)
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> addyk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/38915/comments/43
[12:38] <addyk> Thanks nosrednaekim