[01:22] <cyclonut> it crashes for me every time I start it
[01:22] <cyclonut> could be due to emerald getting installed?
[01:24] <panosru> cyclonut, i use compiz and emerald without any problem, did you tried #compiz-fusion channel?
[01:24] <cyclonut> not yet, I jsut got back into the OS
[01:25] <panosru> cyclonut, well try it, they will help you for sure ;)
[01:25] <cyclonut> thanks for the tip
[01:25] <cyclonut> ah the reinstall fixxed it
[01:26] <panosru> cyclonut, cool :D
[01:34] <Bryan> Hi, I was just wondering why I can't connect to the my WIRED network on my laptop
[01:34] <MS-Suse> can growisofs resume interrupted burns?
[01:37] <Bryan> ah
[01:37] <Bryan> nevermind
[01:42] <macogw> um....shouldn't it be possible to use apt even if gimp is broken?
[01:49] <darkzero> Anyone here using vlc player in gutsy?
[01:50] <darkzero> If so, any of you experience sound problem when play mkv or ogn format?
[01:50] <reya276> hello, I'm getting this "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:50] <reya276>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[01:50] <reya276> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" while trying to update any help on how to fix this issue. I tried doing sudo apt-get install -f but it does not work
[01:52] <MS-Suse> panosru, why did u join the army?
[01:52] <macogw> reya276: now cups is acting like gimp? great...
[01:52] <macogw> oh oh oh
[01:52] <macogw> gimp is fixed
[01:52] <d4rkmonkey> yup.
[01:52] <panosru> MS-Suse in Greece you can not refuse to join the army, if you won't join you will get in jail
[01:52] <d4rkmonkey> cupsys ain't updating
[01:52] <d4rkmonkey> !offtopic
[01:52] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
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[01:53] <MS-Suse> panosru, oh, sounds shitty, have fun
[01:53] <macogw> as of like 1 minute ago, gimp just upgraded properly
[01:53] <IdleOne> bl4cktone: welcome
[01:53] <macogw> MS-Suse: that's how switzerland is too
[01:53] <panosru> MS-Suse lol i like it :P i will server in special forces as seal team so its cool :D
[01:53] <d4rkmonkey> macogw gimp upgraded fine when I did it the first time a couple hours ago, I've done all updates except for cupsys because it isn't working
[01:53] <bl4cktone> IdleOne: thanks!
[01:54] <macogw> d4rkmonkey: gimp was giving that error all day
[01:54] <panosru> MS-Suse btw swiftfox, don't know why but it was VERY ugly :P
[01:54] <MS-Suse> panosru, trust me , its not cool
[01:54] <bl4cktone> IdleOne: hah looks like a 5 hour download
[01:54] <d4rkmonkey> macogw that sucks, I heard about it, but never go tit.
[01:54] <IdleOne> bl4cktone: yeah that about right :)
[01:55] <bl4cktone> wonder if I can get it from the usenet burn it on a cd and update that way
[01:55] <bl4cktone> I can download near 1200kbs on the usenet
[01:55] <panosru> I try to install nspluginwrapper but it seems not working... can anybody help me?
[01:56] <MS-Suse> bl4cktone, is there a way to bypass the usenet limits set by isp?
[01:56] <IdleOne> bl4cktone: you can download the iso and then upgrade
[01:57] <bl4cktone> MS- Suse, who is your ISP?
[01:57] <IdleOne> cd will give you that option
[01:57] <MS-Suse> panosru, dont know why swiftfox is ugly, looked ok on my pc
[01:57] <bl4cktone> IdleOne: trying to figure out which way is faster
[01:57] <MS-Suse> bl4cktone, comcast
[01:57] <reya276> so is this cuspsys error fixable or not?
[01:57] <d4rkmonkey> reya276 it'll be fixed eventually, just wait
[01:58] <IdleOne> bl4cktone: torrent maybe?
[01:58] <reya276> oh ok'
[01:58] <bl4cktone> MS- Suse, most likely not.  I actually signed up for a service with newshosting.com
[01:58] <panosru> MS-Suse i don't know neither i remember used it and looks even prettier than firefox.. now i see that the graphics are broken on swiftfox
[01:58] <darkzero> I'll probably be fix during the weekend
[01:58] <panosru> now why nspluginwrapper does not work?
[01:58] <MS-Suse> bl4cktone, ok, thanks
[01:58] <bl4cktone> IdleOne: perhaps guess I'll just sit it out
[01:59] <IdleOne> bl4cktone: I had a 13 hour download when I upgraded. took almost 2 full days to complete
[01:59] <IdleOne> but my old p3 was buzzing like crazy hehe
[01:59] <darkzero> anyway, i guess yall haven't install or played around with vlc player in gutsy
[01:59] <bl4cktone> MS- Suse, newshosting.com lets you do unlimited downloading and dishes it out usually as fast as your connection allows.  It's about $14 a month for unlimited
[02:00] <MS-Suse> i got kicked out of #suse :0(
[02:00] <bl4cktone> IdleOne: dang, guess things have gotten better now
[02:00] <IdleOne> bl4cktone: had nothing to do with gutsy was just bad connection and slow machine
[02:01] <darkzero> ms-suse, did you tried out the latest verson?
[02:01] <IdleOne> now I have slow machine and good connection. can gfet up to 3100kb/s if I remove router
[02:01] <MS-Suse> darkzero, latest version of what?
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[02:02] <MS-Suse> darkzero, no i havent tried it, but one guy said it was awesome
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[02:03] <cyclonut> quick Q - I can select my 1440x900 monitor (i945gm card) but I cannot actually access 1440x900 resolution. any tips? should I re-do i915resolution?
[02:03] <cyclonut> (after upgrade to gutsy... btw the new monitor select tool is amazing)
[02:04] <darkzero> is xserver-xgl in gutsy any better?
[02:08] <VousDeux> !vmware
[02:08] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[02:10] <IdleOne> !fixres | cyclonut
[02:10] <ubotu> cyclonut: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:11] <cyclonut> thank you IdleOne
[02:12] <IdleOne> np hope it helps
[02:14] <Davo_Dinkum> Is hardy in beta yet?
[02:16] <macogw> Davo_Dinkum: what?
[02:16] <macogw> no
[02:16] <macogw> gutsy is
[02:17] <macogw> hardy development doesnt start until gutsy development is done
[02:17] <Davo_Dinkum> Is it in alpha yet?
[02:17] <Davo_Dinkum> oh ok
[02:18] <jscinoz> god damn i love ext3
[02:18] <jscinoz> resizing the partition failed 3/4 the way through, a quick e2fsck brought it online and the majority of my files are intact
[02:18] <jscinoz> i'd like to see NTFS pull that off
[02:19] <jscinoz> hmm
[02:19] <jscinoz> /home/lost+found says its 68TB O_o
[02:22] <jscinoz> hmm, firefox segfaults on startup >_<
[02:22] <RAdam1> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp_2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libgimp2.0/README', which is also in package libgimp2.0
[02:23] <macogw> RAdam1: apt-get update again and retry your upgrade.  it works now (at least for me)
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[02:23] <macogw> er...what
[02:27] <wii> hello
[02:28] <b0nza1> has anyone see ** (gnome-settings-daemon:11900): WARNING **: Unable to connect to dbus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-E0etKRHFUZ: Connection refused after beta install?
[02:28] <wii> is gusty apart from kubuntu and ubuntu like xubuntu?
[02:29] <wii> lol
[02:29] <erichj> b0nza1, reboot. always seems to fix that for me
[02:29] <RAdams> wii: gusty is the forthcoming version of ubuntu/kubuntu etc.
[02:29] <b0nza1> erichhmm
[02:29] <b0nza1> try that ..
[02:29] <macogw> gutsy, guys, gutsy!
[02:30] <RAdams> I keep typing it wrong :(
[02:30] <wii> RAdams: whitch to be shore ubuntu or kubuntu?i like kubuntu
[02:30] <macogw> jeez..sounds like how my roommate calls Gilgamesh "gigglemesh"
[02:30] <jscinoz> Oct18 will be a happy day
[02:30] <RAdams> wii: all of them. their updates are synchronous
[02:30] <MugginsM> gusty would fit with breezy and roary :)
[02:30] <RAdams> hoary!
[02:30] <jscinoz> feisty!
[02:31] <RAdams> Sounds like insults
[02:31] <wii> gusty!
[02:31] <jscinoz> whats the name they have for 8.04?
[02:31] <RAdams> banned!
[02:31] <RAdams> hardy heron
[02:31] <jscinoz> started with H i thought
[02:31] <jscinoz> hehe
[02:31] <wii> start whit D
[02:31] <jscinoz> how far ahead do they have names planned?
[02:31] <wii> dont know
[02:31] <wii> :D
[02:31] <RAdams> just to 8.04
[02:32] <RAdams> atm
[02:32] <wii> bank
[02:32] <RAdams> I vote "incensed iguana"
[02:32] <RAdams> for 8.19
[02:32] <RAdams> *8.10
[02:33] <macogw> wii: gutsy, not gusty
[02:33] <gnomefreak> RAdams: wii stay on topic please
[02:33] <jscinoz> ugh copying 12gb of data over 802.11G is so slow
[02:33] <macogw> haha
[02:33] <wii> gutsy?o.O i dont like that name
[02:33] <RAdams> gutsy gibbon
[02:33] <wii> gusty is better
[02:34] <macogw> wii: how could an animal be gusty?
[02:34] <macogw> wii: for an animal to be gusty....itd have to be farting
[02:34] <wii> what do an animal have to do whit it?
[02:34] <Lilacor> my system is trying to install gimp... but I keep on getting this odd message ... gimp-python: Depends: gimp (= 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu5) but 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:34] <Lilacor> how do I resolve this conflict?
[02:34] <cyclonut> it would appear that I have a choice; run proper resolution on my laptop screen, or run dual :(
[02:35] <macogw> wii: it's Gutsy Gibbon....as in a brave or daring monkey
[02:35] <cyclonut> Lilacor: read the topic
[02:35] <gnomefreak> Lilacor: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:35] <macogw> wii: if it was Gusty Gibbon, it'd be a monkey with gas
[02:35] <cyclonut> Lilacor: (gimp is broken?)
[02:35] <macogw> cyclonut: that's fixed
[02:35] <gnomefreak> btw cupsys is screwed too :)
[02:35] <macogw> cyclonut: as of a bit ago, gimp works and cupsys doesnt
[02:35] <cyclonut> ah
[02:36] <macogw> have to apt-get clean to clear out the bad gimp deb, i think
[02:36] <mneptok> pardon me. just doing some custodial work.
[02:36] <macogw> then apt-get update and then do your upgrade
[02:36] <Lilacor> cyclonut: welp...the topic changed on me! :O sorry, didn't see it
[02:37] <eric> hello all is it possible to install gutsy from inside a working feisty without really transferring settings from feisty  Im basically trying to avoid having to download an iso for an incomplete system release
[02:37] <gnomefreak> eric: dont do it now
[02:37] <gnomefreak> wait a day or so
[02:37] <MarcN> I tried gutsy beta today and it appears vmware is broken, right?
[02:37] <eric> any particular reason why not?
[02:38] <eric> Major release on its way?
[02:38] <macogw> eric: no you cant get a "fresh" system without using a disk
[02:38] <macogw> eric: because there have been a few broken packages today that would make upgrades not go well
[02:38] <eric> eep good to know
[02:38] <erichj> is the gimp still broken?
[02:38] <Lilacor> vmware works for me
[02:39] <gnomefreak> eric: no
[02:39] <gnomefreak> erichj: no
[02:39] <erichj> k
[02:39] <macogw> erichj: no
[02:39] <eric> I've just been having some issues getting compiz working on feisty when its worked just fine up until now so im used to al the fun stuff but yeah
[02:39] <eric> oooh ill change my nick sorry
[02:39] <macogw> haha
[02:39] <MarcN> Lilacor: the ubuntu package wouldn't install for me because it wanted an old kernel module package.
[02:39] <erichj> heh
[02:39] <Lilacor> MarcN: oh.. welp, I'm using workstation
[02:40] <chamunks> there we go
[02:41] <MarcN> Lilacor: how is a 'workstation' different from any other system?  I downloaded the gutsy beta cd just this morning and after apt-get update && apt-get upgrade vmware-player failed deps.
[02:41] <Lilacor> MarcN: welp... you have to get a patch
[02:41] <Lilacor> look up vmware ubuntu 7.1 and you'll get the patch to make it run
[02:41] <chamunks> dont you have to pay for workstation?
[02:41] <Lilacor> yes you do
[02:42] <Lilacor> it's not cheap but it runs pretty well
[02:42] <chamunks> so wouldnt like virtualbox be better?
[02:42] <Lilacor> chamunks: workstation has more features
[02:43] <chamunks> Lilacor, ahh ok i suppose i just remember someone saying you could use virtualbox to make windows let its programs run on the ubuntu desktop kinda like paralells
[02:43] <gnomefreak> gimp may still be borked
[02:43] <Lilacor> chamunks: not that I know of
[02:43] <macogw> chamunks: yeah, you can
[02:43] <macogw> Lilacor: google it, you'll find screenshots
[02:43] <chamunks> ya i had it working before its pretty sweet
[02:44] <chamunks> im thinking of doing it for running musicbrainz because for some reason its not adding my subfolders and such in my media library and thats a huge integral part of my media library of like 15000 songs or so
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: amarok?
[02:45] <MarcN> chamunks: I'm happy with the no-cost vmware player since it lets me run WinXP and a usb dongle to vpn into my corpnet.
[02:45] <chamunks> macogw, i think its relatively simple too its like a button or two away
[02:45] <MarcN> chamunks: virtualbox support random usb devices?
[02:46] <macogw> yep
[02:46] <chamunks> MarcN, I havent played around with it in a bit so im unsure
[02:46] <chamunks> MarcN, my assumption would be yes though
[02:46] <macogw> oh that was yep at a button or two away for integrated desktop
[02:46] <macogw> for usb devices....i think usb is only with their pre-packed semi-free version
[02:46] <macogw> there's no usb support in the open source version (no binaries available, get it from cvs)
[02:47] <nunofgs> OMG! HELP! I was doing the upgrade to gutsy (with update-manager -d) and it gave an error in one of the packages and said my system could be broken. Doing apt-get dist-upgrade says that there are no packages to install now!
[02:47] <chamunks> macogw, that would be the usb
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: macogw: use VirtualBox
[02:47] <IdleOne> nunofgs: what package?
[02:47] <macogw> nosrednaekim: i'm talking about virtualbox
[02:47] <macogw> nunofgs: cupsys is broken right now
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> oh :)
[02:47] <chamunks> nosrednaekim, i do use virtualbox its pretty sweet imo
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I like it.. but there is no USB support?
[02:47] <nunofgs> IdleOne: torrentflux. It said it couldn't connect to the database
[02:48] <macogw> nunofgs: also possible a package corrupted mid-download as happened for me.  apt-get install the corrupted one and itll replace with a working one
[02:48] <macogw> nosrednaekim: not in the fully open source version
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> macogw: ah... well I use the free non-open one.
[02:48] <nunofgs> macogw: yes, but now half of the packages didnt install and they dont show up on the list
[02:48] <nunofgs> my system is just broken :/
[02:48] <macogw> nosrednaekim: any binaries you get from virtualbox have a little chunk of proprietary software in them that does it
[02:48] <chamunks> macogw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox
[02:48] <macogw> nunofgs: its ok thats what happened to me
[02:49] <chamunks> macogw, it says theres usb support in the first paragraph
[02:49] <macogw> nunofgs: what was the first package to fail?
[02:49] <nunofgs> when I open aptitude, it says there are packages that need fixing, and tries to remove LOTS of packages that I need. (like php5, etc)
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> macogw: ah...well I'm not a purist so I don't really care
[02:49] <nunofgs> macogw: torrentflux
[02:49] <chamunks> I just wish VirtualBox was in the repo's
[02:49] <nunofgs> macogw: is there no way to RESUME the upgrade?
[02:49] <IdleOne> nunofgs: sudo apt-get install torrentflux then try the update-manager again
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: yeah, but just DLing the deb is pretty painless.
[02:50] <macogw> nunofgs: if you apt-get install torrentflux, that one will re-download and replace the broken package. the remaining packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ will then automatically be configured
[02:50] <macogw> nunofgs: if they are not automatically configured after you install the corrupted package, "sudo dpkg --configure -a" will do it
[02:50] <chamunks> nosrednaekim, oh yeah of course it is and its really just a simple wget away but it would be nice if i could just fit it in my huge string of app's i install via aptitude install
[02:50] <IdleOne> chamunks: download the virtualbox deb and then dpkg -i virtualbox.deb ( or what ever the file is called )
[02:50] <nunofgs> IdleOne: I've already taken care of torrentflux. I changed the mysql password in common-db.php and it was able to install it after... thats not the problem. the problem is that now apt tells me there are no packages needed to install (and the upgrade stopped at the middle)
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: yeah.
[02:51] <nunofgs> dpkg --configure -a does nothing
[02:51] <macogw> i think thats how you configure packages...
[02:51] <chamunks> IdleOne, i allready have it installed ty i was just expressing my sadness for the lack of it in the repo's thats all
[02:51] <macogw> then just redo "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:51] <macogw> nunofgs: ^
[02:51] <IdleOne> chamunks: ahh ok then
[02:51] <nunofgs> macogw: like I said as I joined the channel. apt-get dist-upgrade says there are NO packages needed to install
[02:52] <macogw> chamunks: do you read what you link?
[02:52] <macogw> chamunks: "In the proprietary release (not in the free and open-source edition), a USB controller is emulated so that any USB devices attached to the host can be seen in the guest"
[02:52] <chamunks> IdleOne, i love using wildcards tho with dpkg and wget
[02:52] <nunofgs> macogw: furthermore, if I do autoclean, it tries to REMOVE packages like php5, mysql, etc that are currently IN USE
[02:52] <macogw> chamunks: only in the proprietary version, NOT in the open source one
[02:52] <chamunks> macogw, i just skimmed it if im wrong ill accept that
[02:52] <IdleOne> nunofgs: restart the upgrade
[02:52] <macogw> nunofgs: autoclean is like getting rid of Setup.exe's
[02:52] <macogw> nunofgs: it doesnt uninstall anything, just removes the leftover installer package
[02:53] <nunofgs> IdleOne: like I just told macogw, dist-upgrade says there are NO upgrades to be done. Is there a way I can "trick" apt to think it needs to upgrade?
[02:53] <chamunks> macogw, i apologize for not looking deeper into it   Im just a bit too used to using totally FOSS so i rarely think proprietary any more lol
[02:53] <IdleOne> nunofgs: restart the upgrade! not dist-upgrade. act like you are doing a fresh upgrade
[02:54] <macogw> IdleOne: er....dist-upgrade is how a lot of people upgrade...
[02:54] <nunofgs> IdleOne: by using update-manager -d ? done that. says there are no packages to upgrade and the "upgrade button" doesn't show up
[02:54] <chamunks> macogw, im sure if you were so inclined aquisition of the proprietary version wouldnt be too hard
[02:54] <macogw> chamunks: the proprietary one is free to home users
[02:54] <macogw> chamunks: $$$ for businesses
[02:54] <macogw> IdleOne: like, in the debian world, that's the normal way to upgrade and our 'gksu "update-manager -d"' thing is weird
[02:55] <chamunks> macogw, you dont have to install it if you dont want to doesent matter to me
[02:55] <macogw> chamunks: i dont need windows :P
[02:56] <nunofgs> LET ME RECAP: I was doing an upgrade to gutsy, it error'ed out due to a package config problem and said my system could be broken. Now aptitude wants to remove dozens of important packages and dist-upgrade DOES NOTHING. How can I trick apt into thinking it is running 7.04 so I can RE-UPGRADE ?
[02:56] <macogw> chamunks: windows is useless.  it's slow and gets viruses.  who'd want that?
[02:56] <macogw> nunofgs: try this.  "cd /var/cache/apt/archives/" then "sudo su -" then "dpkg --configure *"
[02:56] <chamunks> macogw, HAHAHA ooops wow i feel totally retarded im talking to the totally wrong nick sorry :P
[02:57] <macogw> chamunks: heh i was just pointing out that it's not technically 100% foss
[02:58] <nunofgs> macogw: dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in
[02:58] <chamunks> macogw, well as all things on the internet it may not be free like beer but free is a relative term
[02:58] <macogw> nunofgs: and the --configure -a doesn't work? that should configure whatever's leftover.  are you SURE it didn't configure them when you installed the broken one?  mine did it immediately
[02:59] <nunofgs> macogw: --configure -a gives no output
[02:59] <macogw> chamunks: it's free like beer, just not free like speech
[02:59] <macogw> nunofgs: the whole command i mean
[02:59] <nunofgs> macogw: I'm not that dumb :D
[02:59] <nunofgs> macogw: yes. I am sure it didnt configure the rest of the packages
[02:59] <macogw> nunofgs: haha sorry. can you think of what one of the packages was that didn't configure?
[02:59] <chamunks> macogw, i was suggesting about previewing the proprietary version but its ok.
[03:00] <macogw> nunofgs: if you do "aptitude -l <packagename>" what does it say in the left column?
[03:00] <nunofgs> macogw: it was torrentflux... OH, and rkhunter. But it didn't even want it anymore so I just removed it after I got back to the terminal
[03:00] <chamunks> does anyone know if virtualbox will allow me to add a physical drive as a secondary drive in the vm?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: yeah... I think you can.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: I added my windows drive as a promary.
[03:01] <macogw> nunofgs: but what packages, after that package was broken, were left to be configured and therefore did not get configured?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> never could get the boot loader working though.
[03:01] <chamunks> nosrednaekim, ok thanks thats encouraging :)
[03:01] <nunofgs> macogw: torrentflux and rkhunter. I then proceeded to remove rkhunter and fix the mysql password error in torrentflux so that it could configure itself correctly
[03:02] <macogw> nunofgs: no.  those two are the ones that were broken.  when they broke, a bunch of other things didn't finish getting configured because of those two being dependencies, right?  what packages were those?
[03:02] <chamunks> nosrednaekim, actually doesent look like its an option
[03:02] <macogw> nunofgs: if those are the only two packages that failed and nothing depended on them, by manually installing them, you fixed it
[03:03] <nunofgs> macogw: in that case, NONE. apt only complained about those 2 and it said it had nothing else to install
[03:03] <macogw> nunofgs: then your system is fine
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: hummm betcha you could figure out the vmdk it creates, and do a work-around
[03:03] <nunofgs> macogw: but I was in the middle of the upgrade! I saw that half the packages did not get installed
[03:03] <macogw> nunofgs: then why'd you just say none?
[03:03] <nunofgs> macogw: sorry, thought u were referring to the broken ones
[03:03] <macogw> nunofgs: i want to know what those "half of the packages did not get installed" were
[03:03] <chamunks> nosrednaekim, is that what you did?
[03:04] <nunofgs> macogw: that's the thing, it claims there are none, but there HAVE to be
[03:04] <erichj> macogw, probably a partial upgrade
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: no... I wanted it as primary, so no need to do that.
[03:04] <nunofgs> macogw: I can't even start a new shell! my zsh is all broken!
[03:04] <macogw> nunofgs: did you read the names of any of them?
[03:04] <nunofgs> macogw: no, I was doing it with update-manager. It doesn't tell u the names before-hand
[03:05] <macogw> nunofgs: did you already close it?
[03:05] <nunofgs> if I had done it with apt, I would have copy-pasted them :/
[03:05] <erichj> i get a message during every other update that half the packages can't be installed and it performs a partial upgrade
[03:05] <macogw> nunofgs: cuz you can scroll up and see what it downloaded
[03:05] <erichj> nothing seems to break
[03:05] <nunofgs> macogw: it closed itself. It said my system was most likely broken
[03:05] <nunofgs> macogw: do you have any idea why aptitude wants to remove important stuff like ffmpeg, zoneminder and php5? all packages that I use daily?
[03:05] <chamunks> nosrednaekim, im in the new vm creation wizard and it doesent seem to want to allow me to find an actual directory
[03:06] <macogw> nunofgs: probably because it thinks you have the newer versions installed already because of that upgrade
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> chamunks: you have to do it from the command line... its in the docs
[03:06] <chamunks> ahh
[03:06] <nunofgs> macogw: hmmm... makes sense. Wait a sec, doesn't apt keep a logfile of operations it does? checking.......
[03:07] <macogw> nunofgs: ls -lrt /var/cache/apt/archives/ | less
[03:07] <macogw> nunofgs: you can see what order it downloaded packages.  i *think* they get configured in the same order they download
[03:07] <nunofgs> macogw: my gnome is freaking out!!! "Trash has quit unexpectedly"
[03:07] <macogw> haha
[03:08] <macogw> dont panic ive had this on two upgrades
[03:08] <macogw> when i upgraded from dapper to edgy it broke like that because i tried to upgrade from a cd and it couldnt find all my installed-after-main-installation apps
[03:09] <nunofgs> tab-completion on zsh gives me: failed to load module: zsh/complist :(
[03:09] <nunofgs> I SERIOUSLY do not want to format this machine. Would take me weeks to get it properly configured :(
[03:09] <macogw> you dont have to
[03:10] <macogw> since zsh is broken, lets check that, shall we?
[03:10] <macogw> dpkg -l zsh
[03:10] <macogw> what's that say?
[03:11] <nunofgs> macogw: gonna take me a while to type it in here (this is my other laptop). The first 3 lines seem to describe errors but then it claims zsh is installed
[03:12] <nunofgs> let me see if I can still ssh into it
[03:12] <nunofgs> well, I can, but no shell
[03:13] <nunofgs> ah ok, I'm gonna privmsg you the output
[03:16] <chamunks> well gnight all
[03:21] <VousDeux> is there something that will allow activex controls to work in mozilla?
[03:22] <MarcN> VousDeux: Windows?
[03:22] <zengen> You can use activex in wine.
[03:22] <VousDeux> no, kubuntu
[03:23] <VousDeux> hmmm...will wine allow embedded activex web content to work in firefox?
[03:24] <zengen> I'm pretty sure what I read about it dealt with activex in firefox.
[03:24] <VousDeux> okay, I'll look at that then, thanks
[03:27] <sin1> I'm trying to upgrade cupsys but, keep receiving this error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[03:27] <zengen> Anyone know if today's alternate has some corrupt files on it?  I can't tell if it's that or my cd burner, which has been having it's own issues this week.
[03:27] <zengen> the i386
[03:29] <IdleOne> zengen: cupsys is broke is that what you are having issues with
[03:29] <sin1> check and see if your md5sum matches the cd
[03:31] <macogw> zengen: there were 2 broken packages today in-repo, so it's possible they're on the cd too
[03:32] <sin1> macogw: is one of them cupsys?
[03:32] <macogw> sin1: see topic
[03:34] <BERSERKR> testing
[03:34] <BERSERKR> ok
[03:34] <BERSERKR> cool
[03:34] <BERSERKR> question about wireless cards
[03:34] <BERSERKR> anyone care to take a shot at my prob?
[03:37] <riotkittie> whats your question?
[03:37] <BERSERKR> I just installed gutsy on my t61p
[03:38] <BERSERKR> and my wireless is really slow
[03:38] <BERSERKR> compared to vista
[03:38] <Crozar> BUG!!!! can any1 help
[03:38] <BERSERKR> or my other pc running fedora
[03:38] <BERSERKR> I have been searching online but I haven't been able to find anything
[03:39] <riotkittie> is the card equipped with an ralink chipset by any chance?
[03:39] <Crozar> BERSERKR: needs optimization missing lib's and other things to make it go with full performance remember every hardware aspect has its frequencies and channels
[03:39] <BERSERKR> it might just be the fact that it is a really new wireless card
[03:39] <BERSERKR> mmm, let me try to mess with it then
[03:40] <BERSERKR> at least im happy gutsy managed to get my wireless working right out of the box
[03:40] <BERSERKR> unlike other distros
[03:40] <Crozar> i really need help guys , every time i write on imation cd with slow Writing speed 4x it goes fine but when im done and want to see the .iso file i dont see nothing , ? data files work but whats going on with iso? i use k3b should i try gnome baker?
[03:41] <Pici> Crozar: What iso file? You just said you are burning to a cd.
[03:41] <Crozar> windows 98 iso
[03:42] <Pici> " when im done and want to see the .iso file i dont see nothing" I'm not sure what you mean.
[03:42] <osmosis> help, http://dpaste.com/21496/
[03:42] <Crozar> Pici: i use a CD-R , btw when i burn on a CD-RW it shows the burning process but in the end i stick back the cd rw in again and they say blank cd loooooool what happened the 7 minutes of burning?
[03:43] <osmosis> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[03:43] <Pici> Crozar: You still havent answered my question.
[03:43] <Crozar> Pici: same thing but now on a CD-R cd on the cd rw disk drive it writes , but after the burn process was complete i stick back the CD-R cd and it keep trying to read but then in the end nothing show
[03:44] <Crozar> i really dont know if theyr is a data inside the cd or not
[03:44] <Crozar> but i completed my burning process PICI
[03:44] <Crozar> and if theyr is data why its not reading? and if theyrs not what did my ubuntu do to the cd lo
[03:44] <Pici> Crozar: Are you sure that the iso is good?
[03:45] <Crozar> oh yes ubuntu 7.10 beta .iso ;) i tried that too
[03:45] <Crozar> im using k3b
[03:45] <Crozar> i tried the normal ubuntu cd creater still same
[03:45] <Crozar> but havent tried gnome baker yet i think i have with my CD RW cd's but not on the CD R cd
[03:45] <osmosis> what should I do ?
[03:45] <Pici> Crozar: Have you tried reading it in another computer?
[03:45] <Crozar> Pici: no =/
[03:45] <Crozar> Pici: that i must do...
[03:46] <Crozar> Pici: i will try as soon as i go to work this evening
[03:46] <Pici> osmosis: Have you looked on launchpad for a bug? it looks like it might be something with that package.
[03:46] <Crozar> btw , if nothing showS? what does this mean?
[03:46] <Crozar> firmware or something to do with dma? isnt it similar to windows on these kind of stuff?
[03:47] <VousDeux> !quicktime
[03:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:47] <Crozar> Pici:  i have 131 upadtes i cant update my ubuntu  7.10 i get error in the end :/
[03:47] <Pici> I dont know. If you can read normal CDs, I'm not sure what it is.
[03:47] <macogw> Crozar: what error?
[03:47] <Crozar> Pici:  you know im afraid in the end becauase of imation :(~!!!!! i payed 10 $ for this pack
[03:48] <Crozar> i think i must get sony instea
[03:48] <Crozar> im installing again il tell you as soon as i get  it
[03:49] <Crozar> Pici: when i burn data files it works :/ but not iso's WHY!
[03:49] <cdm10> There's a file conflict in an update that showed up today.
[03:49] <cdm10> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[03:49] <cdm10> How can I resolve this?
[03:50] <Crozar> Pici: on 7.03 i can burn iso's
[03:50] <Pici> cdm10: wait for the devs to fix it
[03:50] <cdm10> Pici: So, I should just wait until the new package is fixed?
[03:50] <Crozar> Pici:  this is the error E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[03:50] <macogw> cdm10: topic!
[03:50] <macogw> Crozar: ditto
[03:50] <cdm10> macogw: Dammit! Sorry for not seeing that.
[03:50] <Pici> Crozar: file a bug then.
[03:50] <macogw> cdm10: i didnt see the gimp one earlier
[03:51] <Crozar> hmm im upon / 100000 users?
[03:51] <cdm10> macogw: come on, man, TOPIC!
[03:51] <level1_> I've been having a problem with the keyboard not being functional on my lappy about half the time (not all the time) I resume from suspend. I've had this problem in feisty, debian, and gutsy
[03:51] <cdm10> :)
[03:51] <Crozar> how come my system is clumsy or is my life badluck all the time
[03:51] <cdm10> Crozar: You're running a BETA.
[03:51] <level1_> usb keyboards still work, and I can still press FN-ESC to resupsend, but I can't switch to a terminal or enter my passowrd
[03:52] <macogw> cdm10: if you do "dpkg -C" i think itll tell you what debs downloaded but didnt get configured
[03:52] <Pici> Crozar: This is a beta, things are buggy.
[03:52] <Crozar> Pici:  you think iso is connected with this?
[03:52] <cdm10> macogw: Well, I got the error, so I know what happened, I was just wondering if there was a way to fix it...
[03:52] <Pici> Crozar: With which? The pakcage issue?
[03:52] <Crozar> Pici: full version comming in ? 20 days?
[03:52] <cdm10> Crozar: Everyone's having the same package issue.
[03:52] <Crozar> no no can you guys burn iso?
[03:52] <Crozar> on cd
[03:53] <cdm10> Crozar: I haven't tried in Gutsy...
[03:53] <Crozar> please try
[03:53] <cdm10> Crozar: But if you can't, file a bug, and maybe it'll be fixed by release.
[03:53] <Pici> Crozar: Have you looked for a bug? if not please file one.
[03:53] <Crozar> like download forexample sabayon or something u want to try
[03:53] <cdm10> level1_: You should probably ask in #ubuntu there.
[03:53] <Crozar> how to search for bug ?
[03:53] <Crozar> bug cd gutsy? in google?
[03:53] <Pici> !bugs | Crozar
[03:53] <ubotu> Crozar: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:53] <Crozar> k =p
[03:54] <Crozar> i will file after i get back from work
[03:54] <level1_> if people are having issues with packages, maybe I should not update for a day or two and wait for it to be resolved?
[03:54] <macogw> cdm10: but if the rest of the upgrade didn't finish because of it, you can manually install the remaining debs
[03:55] <cdm10> macogw: Well, I'm not too desperate to upgrade, so I'm fine.
[03:55] <cdm10> level1_: That seems to be the solution.
[03:56] <cdm10> Now, onto my next problem.
[03:56] <cdm10> I haven't been able to connect to samba-shared printers or folders in Gutsy.
[03:56] <cdm10> It worked fine in Feisty.
[03:56] <cdm10> Is this a known problem?
[03:56] <level1_> cdm10: I'd like to keep my printer support, I might have to print a paper, and debian doesn't seem to have any printer drivers installed
[03:56] <cdm10> I've tried manually connecting via mount and smbfs.
[03:56] <Crozar> thanks guys =) , il test from my side some tests before i claim with a homicidal manner
[03:57] <angrykeyboarder> ubotu: I wasn't aware of that quick-and-dirty URL. Thanks (not that I was asking...).
[03:57] <tekhawk> anyone running kde4 on amd64 nvidia combo
[03:57] <angrykeyboarder> anyone having problems with recent updates to hal?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ...
[03:58] <Hobbsee> if you didnt get an answer from development circles, and no answer on your bug report, do you really expect a userland channel to help?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> one of the guys was looking into it, after he'd finished his current stuff, though
[03:59] <cdm10> Hobbsee: The thing is, I have no idea where to file the bug... or where these dev circles are.
[03:59] <cdm10> Hobbsee: For example, in which package would I file the bug?
[03:59] <macogw> cdm10: cd-record
[03:59] <cdm10> macogw: Different bug :)
[03:59] <macogw> cdm10: wait are you the one with the cd burning issue?
[03:59] <cdm10> I'm talking about Samba. I haven't tried iso-burning yet.
[03:59] <macogw> oh
[03:59] <cdm10> macogw: No, that was the other guy.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> cdm10: depends what your bug is - that was to angrykeyboarder
[03:59] <macogw> probably samba then
[03:59] <vixyfox_> Hey all, does anyone know if Envy for the nVidia drivers works with Gutsy?
[04:00] <cdm10> vixyfox_: You don't need envy any more, on feisty or gutsy.
[04:00] <vixyfox_> cdm10: Why was it created for feisty then?
[04:00] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: restrcited driver app works better
[04:00] <macogw> vixyfox_: because people are silly
[04:01] <angrykeyboarder> Hobbsee: I don't know who you are, but I gather you've not signed the COC.....
[04:01] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: some people automaticly look for the old tool for the new system
[04:01] <Hobbsee> angrykeyboarder: on the contrary.  check my LP page if you wish.
[04:01] <tekhawk> angrykeyboarder: COC is what
[04:01] <Pici> !coc | tekhawk
[04:01] <vixyfox_> tekhawk: Then what would you suggest for a noob like me to linux do, to install the latest version of the nvidia drivers to work with my 8600 GTS?
[04:01] <Pici> :)
[04:02] <ubotu> tekhawk: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:02] <angrykeyboarder> Pardon moi, I guess rudness is OK now?
[04:02] <cdm10> vixyfox_: Ubuntu will prompt you to install it automatically through its Restricted Drivers Manager.
[04:02] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: found in the top right of your screen
[04:02] <cdm10> vixyfox_: And if it doesn't prompt you, you can go to System>Administration>Restricted Drivers Manager to enable it.
[04:02] <rredd4> has anyone installed 7.10 beta without any problems... such as erasing other partitions.    Also, will the install keep my current files?
[04:02] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: try looking in a apt interface if you dont have the manager installed
[04:02] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: i think perhaps Hobbsee was trying to point out that your impatience with the bug-hunting process could be seen as rude
[04:02] <cdm10> vixyfox_: And if it isn't in that list, you can try installing it manually... you'll get better results than Envy.
[04:02] <rredd4> this is my home machine
[04:03] <Hobbsee> macogw: i think he's just calling me rude, based on how i was saying that the world works.
[04:03] <cdm10> rredd4: I haven't had any problems, and no, it won't keep your files.
[04:03] <tekhawk> angrykeyboarder: i havnt seen anything rude i would say that Hobbsee has been one of the most helpful people in here past few days
[04:03] <angrykeyboarder> I popped in and askes a question. I'm not sure how that can be seen as rude?
[04:03] <macogw> rredd4: my only problem was a corrupted deb download.  as far as i know, my debian partition still exists
[04:03] <cdm10> rredd4: If you want to keep your files, upgrade, don't install.
[04:03] <vixyfox_> Tekhawk and cdm10: I went to Restricted Drivers Manager, but it says I don't need anything in there? but when I go into my device list to check, it says my graphics card is unknown
[04:04] <Hobbsee> macogw: but that's fine, he can think that if he wish.  i would have thought that if the devs couldnt answer his question immediately, this kind of channel would be even more unlikely to
[04:04] <cdm10> rredd4: I still wouldn't install it... I only installed it because Feisty had gotten unbelievably screwed up, and I needed to reinstall, and I had backed up.
[04:04] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: well if you've already asked elsewhere and have a developer looking into it for you, you ought to just be patient.  it's highly unlikely that any of us know what the developer does not.
[04:04] <cdm10> rredd4: It's coming out later this month, so wait 'till the final if you want to avoid issues.
[04:04] <rredd4> cdm18  ok
[04:04] <angrykeyboarder> And I would have known a developer was looking into it because?
[04:04] <bicchi> latest upgrade is giving me this error message: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[04:05] <macogw> vixyfox_: try going to system > admin > screens and graphics and setting it manually
[04:05] <Hobbsee> bicchi: known.
[04:05] <cdm10> macogw: That's not going to work if it's not installed.
[04:05] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> bicchi: Have you checked to see if a bug report has already been filed about that?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> angrykeyboarder: guess it was in #ubuntu-devel.  i think i was going to tell you, but you'd already parted.
[04:05] <cdm10> bicchi: look at the topic, I made the same mistake.
[04:06] <vixyfox_> macogw: I don't see screens and graphics?
[04:06] <cdm10> vixyfox_: Are you on Feisty or Gutsy?
[04:06] <vixyfox_> Gutsy
[04:06] <macogw> vixyfox_: i think it hides by default.  edit the menu with alacarte and its in there
[04:06] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: just to make sure though KDE or GNOME?
[04:06] <cdm10> macogw: It doesn't hide by default.
[04:07] <vixyfox_> tekhawk: I have both installed. Currently logged into gnome though
[04:07] <cdm10> I thought vixyfox_was on feisty and came in here to ask a question about Gutsy... I may be wrong, though.
[04:07] <macogw> cdm10: the driver might be there but not enabled.  and it was hidden on my system, i think. i had to get it through the control center
[04:07] <Hobbsee>    * Make libcupsys2 replace the broken version of cupsys to help out people
[04:07] <Hobbsee>      who used dpkg --force-overwrite wrongly.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:07] <macogw> cdm10: vixy just said gutsy
[04:07] <Hobbsee> okay, cupsys is in the process of being fixed.
[04:07] <cdm10> macogw: ah, ok, missed that.
[04:07] <angrykeyboarder> Hobbsee:  Oh, I gather you were on some 12 hours ago when I brought this up? I've been logged on ever since (just away). I accept "/query".whenever I'm logged on, regardless.
[04:08] <angrykeyboarder> Hobbsee: But thanks for the info. :)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> angrykeyboarder: quite possibly - it was one of the times where you asked.
[04:08] <angrykeyboarder> I've now asked a total of two times (here).
[04:08] <angrykeyboarder> :)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> argh, fudge.  the buildd logs, i've forgotten where they are
[04:08] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: check the control panel for screens and graphics
[04:09] <cdm10> Well, right now, vixyfox_ is on OS X.
[04:09] <macogw> im going back to the i810 driver.  the intel one corrupts the screen when X stops (such as the first half of restarting X or during shutdown) and i dont like it
[04:09] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> Is text supposed to sort of 'bounce' whenever you type a letter in Pidgin?
[04:09] <cdm10> Jordan_U_Gutsy: No, sounds like a weird bug...
[04:09] <cdm10> Jordan_U_Gutsy: Make sure the text field is big enough.
[04:09] <macogw> Jordan_U_Gutsy: no.  that's a bug and it's been reported, i think
[04:09] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> cdm10: That was it, it was just too small :)
[04:09] <tekhawk> LOL i want to see that bug lol
[04:10] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> Though the text did all fit
[04:10] <cdm10> Jordan_U_Gutsy: Well, it's a bug that only occurs when the thingy is too small.
[04:10] <BERSERKR> ok, guys, question, is the iwlwifi driver present in gutsy?
[04:10] <vixyfox_> tekhawk: Right now I'm logged into Gnome... I do not see control panel, or screens and graphics... I'm a noob at this, just installed... And I really can't find these things?
[04:10] <BERSERKR> I just did a modprobe on the module and its not present
[04:10] <cdm10> vixyfox_: look in System>Admin
[04:10] <Hobbsee> BERSERKR: should be
[04:10] <macogw> vixyfox_: right click on the gnome menu
[04:10] <macogw> vixyfox_: click "edit menus"
[04:10] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: on the top bar click administration
[04:10] <crimsun>  1.3.2-1ubuntu5
[04:10] <crimsun> Published in gutsy-release 5 minutes ago
[04:11] <crimsun> so it won't have been built for a bit, angrykeyboarder.
[04:11] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: scratch that system then administation
[04:11] <BERSERKR> mmm
[04:11] <BERSERKR> it is
[04:11] <BERSERKR> you are righyt
[04:11] <BERSERKR> yet, my wireless is really slow
[04:11] <cdm10> angrykeyboarder: eh? Is this about the cupsys bug?
[04:11] <cdm10> !caps | BERSERKR
[04:11] <BERSERKR> I thought that was the problem
[04:11] <ubotu> BERSERKR: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:11] <cdm10> BERSERKR: your nick hurts my eyes :)
[04:11] <cdm10> Sorry, had to do that.
[04:11] <vixyfox_> tekhawk: I did, everything is checked, and I'm still not seeing screens and graphics -_-
[04:11] <cdm10> Couldn't resist.
[04:11] <angrykeyboarder> cdm10: Nope. It's a bout a HAL bug.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it's not in the queue yet, either.
[04:11] <cdm10> angrykeyboarder: ah, ok.
[04:12] <cdm10> angrykeyboarder: HAL bug related to what?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> crimsun: so, 40+ mins + build time, i suspect
[04:12] <berserkr> ok...
[04:12] <cdm10> Ah, that's better.
[04:12] <angrykeyboarder> crimsun:  pardon moi?
[04:12] <cdm10> Yay, time to update.
[04:12] <macogw> tekhawk: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/145233
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145233 in pidgin "jumping motion as I type in the irc window minibuffer" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:12] <angrykeyboarder> cdm10: recent updates won't install. hal hangs on restart
[04:12] <tekhawk> yeah made thing small goofy bug lol
[04:13] <angrykeyboarder> cdm10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/147963
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147963 in hal "[Gutsy]  HAL won't start" [Undecided,New] 
[04:13] <crimsun> angrykeyboarder: RE: earlier cupsys discussion.
[04:13] <cdm10> Alright. I'm having a problem with a certain USB drive not automounting, so I perked up when I saw the word HAL
[04:13] <angrykeyboarder> crimsun: I'm not familliar with that. :)
[04:14] <crimsun> hal seems to start fine on a fresh boot here...
[04:14] <macogw> vixyfox_: run "gksu displayconfig-gtk"
[04:14] <vixyfox_> macogw: One moment
[04:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: looking at the mailing list, it looks h/w specific - it looks like he's the only one who's been hit by it.
[04:15] <angrykeyboarder> crimsun: It seems that it's just 2 of us with this problem. I'd think it would be everyone. That's why this is so odd. I can't imagine what's gone wrong here.
[04:15] <macogw> when it comes to things like hal and acpi, one piece of hardware can be the culprit
[04:16] <angrykeyboarder> But I've never had this problem till a week ago. And I've had the same hardware for the past 2  months.
[04:16] <angrykeyboarder> I've been running Gutsy for about a month and Feisty before that.
[04:16] <vixyfox_> macogw: I wrote that in terminal and nothing happened, asked for password, that's it
[04:16] <cdm10> By the way, I like the new font rendering in Gutsy. Much smoother on LCD displays. There were instructions on getting that in Feisty a while back, but I didn't follow them for fear of breaking something.
[04:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/111145
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix] 
[04:17] <DanaG> I don't like the new rendering.  I had to dig up instructions to get it back to the OLD way.
[04:17] <MtJB> seem like eber since i install gusty giblet all is happen is upgrade stuff
[04:17] <DanaG> ANd it's still not quite the same.
[04:17] <macogw> vixyfox_: O_o that doesn't make any sense.  that existed on feisty.  it's what you used to change your resolution'
[04:17] <TuTUXG> cupsys reports an error, this is known?
[04:17] <Pici> TuTUXG: yes, see topic
[04:17] <Hobbsee> TuTUXG: /topic, before you look like a muppet
[04:17] <macogw> DanaG: the fonts?
[04:17] <TuTUXG> cupsys upgrade *reports an error, this is known?
[04:17] <TuTUXG> k
[04:17] <cdm10> TuTUXG: check for updates again, and it'll fix it.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> cdm10: not quite yet it wont.  has to build first :)
[04:17] <cdm10> DanaG: Weird... are you sure the LCD thingy is configured right? Maybe you got your subpixel order wrong...
[04:17] <cdm10> Hobbsee: Ah. Well, could you tell me when? :)
[04:18] <macogw> cdm10: i dont like subpixel font smoothing stuff
[04:18] <vixyfox_> macogw: I'm telling you what I'm seeing here
[04:18] <cdm10> Hobbsee: or give me an ETA? That update icon in the taskbar is annoying the hell out of me. I'm very OCD about that :)
[04:18] <DanaG> No, it's a subjective thing.
[04:19] <Pici> cdm10: its not built yet, give it like an hour at least.
[04:19] <cdm10> DanaG: Ah, ok.
[04:19] <macogw> vixyfox_: in the command line, can you just start typing displa and then tab twice and see if it suggests anything?
[04:19] <angrykeyboarder> cddm10: think of it as a pretty new decoration. That's how I deal with it ;
[04:19] <DanaG> I can't stand cleartype -- it gives me bloodshot eyes.
[04:19] <cdm10> Pici: Alright.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> cdm10:  so, 40+ mins + build time, i suspect
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Pici: queue hasnt finished publishing yet either, iirc.
[04:19] <macogw> cdm10: i like the "best contrast" setting for fonts.  i hate blurry fonts
[04:19] <vixyfox_> macogw: It shows display, displayconfig, and displayconfig-restore
[04:19] <cdm10> Hobbsee: So, I'm just curious, what does building mean? Does the source get uploaded, and the server builds it or something?
[04:19] <macogw> as if being on a white background doesn't make them blurry enough!
[04:20] <macogw> vixyfox_: displayconfig then...dont know why you lack teh -gtk one
[04:20] <macogw> cdm10: yes
[04:20] <Pici> cdm10: Yep, pretty much like that.  then it has to propagate to the apt mirrors too.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> cdm10: source gets uploaded, publisher runs, sources get queued for building, sources build binaries, sources and binaries get sent to teh archives.
[04:20] <VousDeux> !medibuntu
[04:20] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:20] <cdm10> Hobbsee: ok, makes sense, sorta. Thanks for answering.
[04:20] <shirish> hi all, am I the only one who's not able to update gimp?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> cdm10: no problem
[04:21] <vixyfox_> macogw: Okay, that opened up something here. Now I see display and graphics configuration
[04:21] <Hobbsee> shirish: your mirror is outdated.
[04:21] <macogw> vixyfox_: what all's on there?
[04:21] <shirish> bug 148985
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148985 in gimp "package gimp 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libgimp2.0/README', which is also in package libgimp2.0" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148985
[04:21] <macogw> shirish: apt-get update then try again
[04:21] <macogw> shirish: that was fixed a few hours ago
[04:21] <shirish> I tried the apt-get update & still it doesn't resolve
[04:21] <VousDeux> so, I take it there is no medibuntu for x86_64 kubuntu?
[04:21] <vixyfox_> macogw: "Size, Orientation & Positioning", "Color & Gamma", "Hardware", "Power saving"
[04:21] <shirish> resolve the situation I mean macogw
[04:21] <Pici> cdm10: Stuff curretntly building: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds
[04:21] <macogw> VousDeux: why would it need a separate one from x86_64 ubuntu?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: yes.  your mirror is outdated.
[04:22] <macogw> VousDeux: the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is kde v gnome
[04:22] <shirish> Hobbsee: I am using the uk mirror , the main one
[04:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: add another set of mirrors.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: the uk one is *not* the main mirror.
[04:22] <VousDeux> macogw, the website doesn't list anything beyond 7.04
[04:22] <macogw> vixyfox_: that's weird...is that the kde one or something?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: use your indian mirrors + archive.u.c
[04:23] <MtJB> it sez 335 updates, is that a good number?
[04:23] <angrykeyboarder> macogw: That and Kubuntu doesn't include Firefox by default.
[04:23] <macogw> VousDeux: i'm fairly sure that stuff doesn't matter for arch anyway.  it's codecs
[04:23] <vixyfox_> Possibly... I mean I loaded KDE in here as well... should I uninstall the KDE package? And how would I do that?
[04:23] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: it has kde's default web browser
[04:23] <shirish> Hobbsee: sorry, I meant I have main server listed, how can I have 2 servers/mirrors listed at the same time?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> shirish: list them both in your sources.list
[04:24] <angrykeyboarder> macogw: True, but I made the point since Firefox isn't GNOME's default web browser. Ubuntu chose Firefox over Epiphany. :)
[04:24] <macogw> vixyfox_: no i dont think you need to remove it. try apt-get-ing displayconfig-gtk
[04:24] <VousDeux> macogw, why do they have seperate instructions for other versions of ubuntu?
[04:24] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: yeah
[04:24] <Hobbsee> bwah, what?
[04:24] <macogw> VousDeux: are the instructions just to use different repos?
[04:24] <macogw> Hobbsee: what?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> who ran away with gimp-common?
[04:24] <vixyfox_> macogw: It didn't like that command
[04:24] <VousDeux> macogw, yes
[04:24] <berserkr> ok, guys, since this is a fresh gutsy install + all updates, and it actually has the drivers I need, and my wireless is still slow, should I assume my router has the isse (since its not that new)?
[04:24] <vixyfox_> macogw: Particularily the apt-get-ing
[04:25] <macogw> vixyfox_: hahahha thats not a command
[04:25] <macogw> vixyfox_: i was using apt-get as a verb
[04:25] <berserkr> my other laptop has abg
[04:25] <berserkr> and it works fine
[04:25] <berserkr> even vista wireless is a bit slow
[04:25] <macogw> vixyfox_: sudo apt-get install displayconfig-gtk
[04:25] <vixyfox_> macogw: Remember, your talking to a noob
[04:25] <macogw> vixyfox_: if you're a newb, why are you trying to use an unstable distro?
[04:25] <berserkr> so I guess I can blame my wireless connection being slow to the fact that it is a new card and the router is kinda old
[04:25] <MtJB> i have never won a cy young award
[04:25] <angrykeyboarder> lol
[04:26] <shirish> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/726335 that's my sources.list atm
[04:26] <vixyfox_> macogw: Because I heard it had better hardware support
[04:26] <macogw> vixyfox_: well anything new supports new hardware better, but you could've waited 2 weeks for the release
[04:26] <VousDeux> macogw, I tried changing the wget command to .../gutsy.list, but it didn't work
[04:26] <tekhawk> vixyfox_: fresh install or upgrade
[04:26] <macogw> vixyfox_: this is very likely to have random breakage, such as today's 2 packages that wouldn't update
[04:26] <angrykeyboarder> I can't believe they're gonna release this in 2 weeks...
[04:27] <Hobbsee> shirish: hm, should be OK
[04:27] <angrykeyboarder> It ain't ready for prime time.
[04:27] <macogw> VousDeux: gutsy.list??
[04:27] <vixyfox_> tekhawk: It's a fresh install
[04:27] <angrykeyboarder> Feisty was much better at this point 6 months ago.
[04:27] <MtJB> whats wrong with it, angrykeyboarder ?
[04:27] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: thats what i was saying today
[04:27] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx for the confirmation, dunno why it doesn't work.
[04:27] <vixyfox_> macogw: I guess I'm SOL then till the release of the stable version.
[04:27] <jscinoz> Is ext3 inherently resistant to damage/corruption?
[04:27] <macogw> feisty had a LOT more bugs worked out at this point
[04:27] <macogw> jscinoz: nearly
[04:27] <angrykeyboarder> MtJB: Oh...quite a few things, really.  But
[04:27] <angrykeyboarder> ..
[04:27] <bazhang> macogw: you must be kidding...
[04:27] <angrykeyboarder> oops
[04:28] <Hobbsee> macogw: heh, excluding kernel breakage.
[04:28] <VousDeux> macogw, yes, in the section about adding repositories, there is a different command for Dapper, Edgy, and Feisty, but not for Gutsy.
[04:28] <macogw> jscinoz: i mean, resistant, yes.  immortal, no
[04:28] <MtJB> luckily it is just going on my test machine
[04:28] <jscinoz> macogw, i assume it was, my home partition managed to survive being resized and having gparted crash 3/4 the way through.
[04:28] <MtJB> if the updates ever end
[04:28] <macogw> VousDeux: ooo you just change the "feisty" to "gutsy" but they may not have a repo up yet.  it doesn't matter. you can use the ones from feisty just fine, i think
[04:29] <jscinoz> What is the purpose of the /home/lost+found folder? is there anyway to recover data from those files or what?
[04:29] <vixyfox_> macogw: Okay, I now have the displayconfig-gtk up and running
[04:29] <vixyfox_> macogw: Under hardware and Driver it shows nv, that is it
[04:29] <Hobbsee> wow, a.u.c is slow.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> today
[04:29] <macogw> jscinoz: ext3 records what it's doing.  if something happens (like power outtage) on next boot it goes "i was doing x, y, and z.  ok lemme finish that"
[04:29] <VousDeux> macogw, see, it's the 'I think' part that gets me...I don't want to break anything...fixing stuff can be such a pain
[04:29] <Hobbsee> angrykeyboarder: dude...
[04:29] <jscinoz> macogw, what about damage from things like failed partition resize?
[04:30] <angrykeyboarder> Hobbsee: :D
[04:30] <Hobbsee> meh, what's the point in telling you a whole lot of reasons why that shouldnt happen?
[04:30] <angrykeyboarder> Hobbsee: Education, perhaps?
[04:30] <macogw> VousDeux: you can ask someone else, but i dont think codecs care what arch you use or what version you have.  version i'm 99.9999% sure doesn't matter
[04:31] <tekhawk> macogw:  codecs do depend on arch
[04:31] <macogw> bazhang: why must i be kidding?
[04:31] <Lanken> the font installer seems to be broken
[04:31] <macogw> tekhawk: ok.  do they care what kernel version?
[04:31] <tekhawk> macogw: that why we have win32codec and win64codec
[04:31] <macogw> tekhawk: i didnt know win64codec existed. i assumed "win32" was just because that's how windows is called a lot
[04:31] <VousDeux> macogw, that confuses me because they do have seperate repositories for the other ones
[04:31] <bazhang> macogw: Gutsy is tons more stable than Feisty was at this point; Feisty was unusable.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> angrykeyboarder: mainly because uds is already booked, as is various other stuff, and then it means that you have to shorten the next release - which happens to be a LTS, which wont happen.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> those will do for a start
[04:32] <angrykeyboarder> Hobbsee: Works 4 me.
[04:32] <jscinoz> apparently the contents of /home/lost+found are 68 terabytes O_o on a 160gb drive...
[04:32] <macogw> bazhang: feisty only had 2 breaks for me:  cd burning and sd card reading, and it turned out my cd drive is somewhat broken physically and the sd card reader was a downgraded driver which was fixed 2 weeks after release
[04:32] <tekhawk> jscinoz: holy****
[04:33] <MtJB> jscinoz:  thats a nice trick
[04:33] <jscinoz> still
[04:33] <jscinoz> my home partition held up well from a failed resize
[04:33] <macogw> bazhang: feisty has never ever locked up for me.  it's the only thing that doesn't lock up.  dapper, edgy, debian etch, and gutsy all hard lock so i have to hold in the power button
[04:33] <Hobbsee> macogw: ...ouch?
[04:33] <bazhang> macogw: ok; different for me.
[04:33] <MtJB> i never had sex with feisty
[04:34] <Lanken> I can't install fonts.  what is wrong with my ubuntu???
[04:34] <DanaG> [ 2810.192000]  ALSA /home/dana/downloads/alsa-hg/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:576: hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x10a90000
[04:34] <angrykeyboarder> macogw: Every OS I've ever touched has required me to hit the reset button a few times.
[04:34] <macogw> Hobbsee: yeah...  dapper would wait about a half hour....sometimes last a few hours.  edgy did it just every now and then.  etch does it within 5 minutes of boot.  gutsy did it 4 times in the 4 days it's been installed
[04:34] <shirish> both bzr & apache can't also be upgraded :(
[04:34] <angrykeyboarder> Lanken: I broke it.
[04:35] <Lanken> ass.
[04:35] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: normally on linux the kernel still responds and you can kill whatever's being silly.  pre-feisty acpi hates my hardware and it seems some driver had a regression
[04:36] <DanaG> Hmm, I really should post my dmesg and such to that bug report...
[04:36] <shirish> can anybody look up http://pastebin.ca/726343 & lemme know what to do
[04:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/111145
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix] 
[04:36] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: either way, 5 minutes of uptime is really unreasonable.  etch is NOT stable on my hardware
[04:36] <angrykeyboarder> macogw: I promise you, that's not always the case (not for me anyway).
[04:36] <macogw> angrykeyboarder: feisty was perfect, and actually....2 or 3 of the times gutsy locked i was playing gnome-sudoku
[04:37] <angrykeyboarder> macogw: yeah that would be a tad unreasonable.
[04:37] <DanaG> Hmm, another interesting note:
[04:37] <angrykeyboarder> macogw: Feisty has been good to me, but I did have a few lockups. nothing major tho.
[04:37] <DanaG> Remember the nvidia 100.14.11 freeze on dual-core?
[04:38] <macogw> oooo i forgot my other one. if i dont touch the mouse/keyboard for a minute or two or when i unplug my laptop, the screen attempts to dim.  instead of just dimming, it goes black.  i used to have like 8 levels of brightness available, but now i have 4 and they have a bunch of black ones between them when trying to change brightness levels.
[04:38] <DanaG> It seems I got rid of the issue on my system by installing irqbalance, not in one-shot mode.
[04:38] <DanaG> I have a brightness issue, too.
[04:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[04:39] <DanaG> Same issue, perhaps.
[04:40] <DanaG> And I get this awful BLINKING.
[04:40] <DanaG> It's like a punch in the face, in a way.
[04:41] <DanaG> You're idle?  Whack!
[04:41] <bazhang> ugh. cupsys upgrade failed
[04:41] <macogw> bazhang: we know
[04:41] <earl_> hey guys. i'm running kubuntu gutsy, been having a weird issue past few days with amarok
[04:41] <macogw> bazhang: the fixed package is being built by the server and will be propagated within the next hour or two
[04:42] <earl_> i think it might be fixed with the apt-get upgrade i did today, but i'm wondering if there have been any known issues going on with it?
[04:42] <earl_> namely the problem i was having is that any time i commanded amarok to stop, it would play an error sound effect like 30 times within the course of a second, and then refuse to play a song again,
[04:42] <bazhang> macogw: thanks!
[04:42] <earl_> with the error message being that "xine is unable to start up any drivers" or something of that nature.
[04:42] <macogw> DanaG: that's the exact bug!
[04:43] <macogw> DanaG: i'll mark mine as a dup of yours
[04:43] <DanaG> One thing that helps: set the idle dimness in gconf-editor to a valid option, from /proc
[04:44] <macogw> DanaG: i figured out that i have 20 clicks from 0% to 100% and it works on every 5th click, so 25%, 50%, 75%, and 100% work, so i set my dim setting to 75%
[04:45] <macogw> earl_: why dont you try it and see if it still does that
[04:45] <earl_> yeah that's the thing
[04:45] <earl_> i can't reproduce it right now
[04:45] <macogw> earl_: and before it was 100% of the time?
[04:45] <earl_> something like it!
[04:45] <DanaG> I also sometimes get brightness not working at ALL.
[04:46] <earl_> ii mean
[04:46] <macogw> earl_: if over the next few days it doesnt happen again, its likely fixed
[04:46] <earl_> i don't press the stop button often
[04:46] <earl_> but seemed like any time i did it had disasterous consequences
[04:46] <earl_> yeah. i'll keep an eye out for it.
[04:46] <macogw> earl_: well try it repeatedly...play.....stop....play.....stop.... and do that a few times
[04:47] <macogw> if you do it 20 times and it doesn't happen you're down to 5% chance the bug's not gone
[04:47] <earl_> yup, not currrently reproducible
[04:48] <earl_> i'm going to reboot for a new kernel, berb
[04:49] <shirish> macogw: can you look up http://pastebin.ca/726343 & tell me if anything can be done about this? I can't upgrade anything :(
[04:49] <erichj> this might seem like an odd question, but is there a difference between a 60hz refresh on and lcd monitor and a crt monitor?
[04:50] <macogw> shirish: i dont know.  i also don't know what the heck full-upgrade is
[04:50] <erichj> my laptop is set to 60hz and the image quality is perfect. on my crt viewsonic at 60hz there is a flicker when i don't look at the monitor directly
[04:51] <bazhang> macogw: full upgrade is what Adept says on it.
[04:51] <DanaG> 60Hz on a CRT is bad.
[04:51] <macogw> oh.... weird
[04:51] <DanaG> Try to get 85 or above.
[04:51] <DanaG> It's just due to the nature of CRTs and LCDs.
[04:51] <macogw> dist-upgrade is usually for big upgrades
[04:52] <erichj> DanaG, i get that but i just was curious as to the difference between the two types. is there a different measurement involved in the refresh rate?
[04:52] <DanaG> In LCDs, the screen doesn't "refresh", so the rate doesn't cause flicker.
[04:52] <DanaG> In CRTs, the pixels are actually repainted, in a way.
[04:53] <erichj> DanaG, that makes perfect sense
[04:53] <shirish> macogw: if you have aptitude please read man aptitude, it tells about full-upgrade
[04:53] <erichj> thanks
[04:53] <Lanken> too high a refresh rate on an LCD causes horizontal blurring that looks a little bit like dancing.
[04:53] <Lanken> and I think I've heard that it's bad for the monitor
[04:53] <alcaponage> Will Gutsy Gibbon have a newer Compiz Fusion with new plugins or will it be old?
[04:53] <macogw> shirish: ok.  i noticed aptitude now says "upgrade" is deprecated and please use "safe-upgrade" and went "oh jeez...trying to protect users from themselves?  why not just improve upgrade instead of adding more options?
[04:54] <macogw> "
[04:54] <macogw> alcaponage: it has 0.6.0
[04:54] <jscinoz> How is it possible to have 68TB of files in /home/lost+found when my disk is only 160GB
[04:54] <macogw> alcaponage: thats the newest release.  there is no such thing, really, as "old compiz fusion"....it's only existed (with that name) for a couple months
[04:54] <macogw> jscinoz: you have pointers to that many files
[04:54] <macogw> jscinoz: like maybe 300 pointers to one file...
[04:54] <jscinoz> ah
[04:55] <macogw> so they get counted 300 times
[04:55] <alcaponage> How come I can't update my compiz fusion?
[04:55] <shirish> macogw: I had observed that for at the beginning of the gutsy cycle. Myself, I have no comments as how the command is worded, its just it should do its job.
[04:55] <jscinoz> i cant even open the folder with a root nautilus, it hangs nautilus populating the files
[04:55] <alcaponage> My compiz fusion doesn't have snow or atlantic cube
[04:55] <jscinoz> Is there recoverable data in /home/lost+found
[04:55] <macogw> alcaponage: snow was an unsupported beryl plugin
[04:55] <macogw> alcaponage: did they bring it back?
[04:55] <alcaponage> I just saw it on youtube
[04:55] <macogw> alcaponage: it could still be in the unsupported plugins package
[04:56] <alcaponage> How do I install the unsupported plugins?
[04:56] <alcaponage> sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported?
[04:57] <earl_> hello?
[04:58] <macogw> alcaponage: compiz-compcomm-plugins-main maybe?  it says that's the "community" plugis
[04:58] <riotkittie> safe-upgrade? <head/desk>
[04:58] <Creationist> How do I make Dolphin reload it's thumbnails?  For some reason a lot of the video thumbnails are just green boxes
[04:58] <Creationist> ...like it tried creating it too quickly.
[04:58] <ironmatar> well its been a while since i was here  dratted moniter went poof
[04:58] <earl_> craziest thing, the xine erorr message is back, but there wasn't any error from amarok this time
[04:58] <earl_> just as a test, i tried playing a DVD in kaffeine, and when it got to the DVD menu (with sound output) it gave me a similar xine error message
[04:58] <AzzClown> I have problems with vmware server ........vmmon not starting up after taking the gutsy upgrade.  any info?
[04:59] <macogw> alcaponage: hmm that tries to remove some stuff i wanna keep if i do that :-/ it doesnt say it conflicts though...
[04:59] <ironmatar> is there any version of Ubuntu that is as stable and easy to use as Xp  so i can use it for eve online
[05:00] <earl_> ironmatar, i'd say youre in the wrong channel for that Q
[05:00] <hydrogen> thats a fairly loaded and unanswerable question
[05:00] <riotkittie> uhh.
[05:00] <macogw> ironmatar: you're in the "unstable" channel....
[05:00] <hydrogen> .. which means one of us might stab you at any point
[05:00] <macogw> ironmatar: right now, feisty would be the version of ubuntu to suggest for that...
[05:00] <earl_> macogw: no idea what caused it this time, btw. amarok didn't do anything funky
[05:01] <earl_> and now, about 3 minutes later, it's playing again
[05:01] <ironmatar> fiesty i went around with for weeks  it so will not stay in one piece
[05:01] <macogw> earl_: hmm maybe xine changed and amarok and kaffeine needed to be updated to understand the new xine?
[05:01] <earl_> only, ONLY thing ic ould think of, it tried to play something from an external HD that wasn't mounted yet.
[05:02] <hydrogen> nah, amarok handles that fine
[05:02] <earl_> but i dont see why that would make xine go nuts.
[05:02] <earl_> it should just report that it couldn't find the file, and be done with it
[05:02] <hydrogen> Amarok won't even try to play such a file
[05:02] <AzzClown> ironmaster:  i am completely new to debian/gnome but fiesty definately is +/= xp
[05:03] <riotkittie> why wont it stay in one peice? are you, perhaps, attacking it with a chainsaw?
[05:05] <earl_> ironmatar: if you're having a lot of problems with feisty, come back in like two weeks when gutsy is released
[05:06] <AzzClown> anyone else having problems with vmware server?
[05:06] <Creationist> How do I make Dolphin reload it's thumbnails?  For some reason a lot of the video thumbnails are just green boxes
[05:06] <Creationist> ...like it tried creating it too quickly.
[05:09] <macogw> AzzClown: yes someone else said a bit ago that they were
[05:09] <macogw> AzzClown: i think they were gonna try out virtualbox instead
[05:11] <AzzClown> yea i'm about to.  i don't suppose it uses .vmx files?
[05:12] <DanaG> You can give Virtualbox a vmdk file (only a consolidated one, I think), but it may not boot properly unless you make some changes while still under vmware.
[05:12] <DanaG> You have to remove the video drivers and agp440.sys, and you have to make the processor driver not load.
[05:13] <DanaG> (look for "processor.sys virtual pc")
[05:14] <AzzClown> i'm not familiar with it at all.  the IT department i'm in is gung-ho for vmware.  i'll have to check that out
[05:14] <DanaG> Or just duplicate the drive and try the sysprep "reseal" thingy.
[05:14] <cyclonut> anyone had any success with eclipse in gutsy?
[05:19] <bazhang> !eclipse
[05:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eclipse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <cyclonut> !eclipse
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eclipse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:20] <cyclonut> ah, Ifixed it
[05:20] <cyclonut> eclipse defaults to java-gcj
[05:20] <earl_> hey macogw
[05:20] <macogw> heay?
[05:20] <macogw> woah
[05:20] <macogw> yeah?
[05:21] <cyclonut> however, if you apt-get the java sun 6 package, and edit /etc/eclipse/java_home so that java 6 is on top of the list, eclipse will work properly
[05:21] <earl_> so out of curiosity, even though amarok was playing fine for like 20 min straight
[05:21] <earl_> i loaded up kaffeine
[05:21] <earl_> and had it take a shot at my DVD again
[05:21] <earl_> just to see if it'd complain about xine again.
[05:21] <earl_> and it did.
[05:21] <earl_> said xine was busy or something,
[05:21] <earl_> -as amarok is still playing-
[05:21] <earl_> so i stopped amarok for a second
[05:21] <earl_> tried kaffeine again
[05:22] <earl_> the error persists
[05:22] <earl_> and now amarok won't play either hahaha
[05:22] <cyclonut> is there any way to add information to ubotu?
[05:22] <earl_> i should be more specific about what happened.
[05:22] <earl_> i went back to amarok
[05:22] <macogw> cyclonut: sudo update-java-alternatives
[05:22] <earl_> and clicked play
[05:22] <cyclonut> macogw: nope, eclipse doesn't pay attention to that
[05:22] <macogw> cyclonut: oh. weird
[05:22] <earl_> and it cycled through all my tracks, as if it were unable to play them, but didn't report an error message. and it was unresponsive.
[05:22] <cyclonut> macogw- had to edit /etc/eclipse/java_home for eclipse to actually listen
[05:23] <earl_> i killed it using ksysguard, and now that i've loaded it up again it works.
[05:23] <earl_> this is all getting weirder and weirder.
[05:23] <macogw> cyclonut: there's a gui way to do it, i'm sure.  it has a place to pick which java to use
[05:23] <cyclonut> oh, yeah Im sure it does
[05:23] <cyclonut> thats how I got it to work though :-P
[05:24] <cyclonut> theres a gui to change the jre, but it doesnt show all available ones
[05:24] <earl_> has anyone heard of these crazy xine problems?
[05:25] <cyclonut> so its easier to just do it via nano
[05:25] <macogw> heh nano is so weird
[05:26] <cyclonut> I like it
[05:26] <macogw> i had to go add EDITOR="vim" to /etc/environment because dch -i wants to use nano
[05:26] <macogw> i wish more things could use vim bindings
[05:26] <macogw> like firefox
[05:27] <macogw> i keep hitting <esc>$ trying to jump to the end of the line, but firefox doesn't do that and then i'm forced to use the stupid mouse (i hate mice)
[05:27] <cyclonut> hah
[05:28] <usr13> macogw, you can switch it to vim
[05:28] <cyclonut> why not use the end key?
[05:28] <macogw> the end key doesnt do anything
[05:28] <macogw> neither does home
[05:28] <macogw> oh wait
[05:28] <macogw> i guess it does on text
[05:28] <macogw> home and end dont work for jumping to top and bottom of screen though :(
[05:29] <cyclonut> oh, no it doesnot... thats pageup/down
[05:29] <macogw> page up and page down just move one page-view at a time though
[05:29] <macogw> home and end are supposed to go all the way to the start and all the way to the end
[05:29] <DanaG> Aack, and now my brightness keys are doing nothing at alll...
[05:29] <cyclonut> meh
[05:30] <cyclonut> DanaG: I had some weird brightness issues too
[05:30] <cyclonut> DanaG: I made it a bit more tolerable in the power preferences
[05:30] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:30] <macogw> cyclonut: you too??
[05:30] <macogw> low??  not cool!!
[05:31] <cyclonut> it stopped messing up for me after playing with the power settings
[05:31] <cyclonut> there is an option to tell it not to fade
[05:31] <macogw> incomplete?  i want to know what's missing.  multiple people have replied and posted their lspci -vvnn's
[05:31] <cyclonut> I clicked & reclicked
[05:31] <macogw> cyclonut: mine still did
[05:31] <cyclonut> bummer
[05:31] <cyclonut> the only problem I have now is that it takes two clicks of the brightness key to get one setting of light/dark
[05:32] <macogw> i told it not to dim on inactive or on unplug, but it still did if i didnt touch the mouse/keyboard for like 2 minutes (note that "inactive" is 40 minutes)
[05:32] <macogw> it takes 5 clicks for me to get from a working level to a working level
[05:32] <DanaG> It takes me FIVE clicks.
[05:32] <cyclonut> ew
[05:32] <DanaG> And I get this horrid BLINKING on idle.
[05:32] <DanaG> Oh, so you're idle, eh?  Slap!
[05:32] <cyclonut> haha
[05:33] <cyclonut> I feel like mine doesnt go down as low as it used to either
[05:33] <cyclonut> but have you gotten any better battery life out of this?
[05:33] <usr13> FYI:  sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[05:33] <ironmatar> so what do i need to do to upgrade the gutsy distro i have
[05:33] <macogw> it goes 100% black black black black 75% black black black black 50% black black black black 25% black black black black black (0%)
[05:33] <DanaG> My 12 and 37 and 62 and 87 steps no longer work.
[05:33] <macogw> usr13: i just set it in my environment variables
[05:33] <DanaG> s/no longer/don't/
[05:34] <cyclonut> usr13: good tip
[05:34] <cyclonut> gutsy keeps telling me my battery is shit every time I boot
[05:34] <cyclonut> which is annoying, but its brand new and worked great when I sued to use windows... since switching to linux I get half the life I would otherwise :(
[05:35] <usr13> I'm partial to vi too.
[05:35] <cyclonut> macogw- what if you move the slider in the power settings to 100%?
[05:36] <macogw> 100% is fine
[05:36] <DanaG> /usr/share/omf/windows/windows-C.omf:8: parser error : Entity 'rsquo' not defined
[05:36] <DanaG>     <title>If you&rsquo;ve been using Windows</title>
[05:36] <macogw> cyclonut: lesswatts.org <-- there's probably something there to help you get better battery life
[05:36] <cyclonut> macogw: Thanks for that link, Ill check it out
[05:37] <usr13> Anyone tried the efax plugin for OO?
[05:37] <usr13> OO v3
[05:38] <macogw> DanaG: that's html
[05:38] <usr13> Correction:  v2.3
[05:46] <usser> wow a lot of updates today
[05:47] <bazhang> yes
[05:47] <m1ke> If I am in a voice chat, how do I play a sound file so that they other person in the voice chat can hear it?
[05:47] <penguincentral> usser: how many are there?
[05:47] <bazhang> 54
[05:47] <penguincentral> m1ke: in gizmo you can run it as a blast, but it has to be a wave file
[05:47] <penguincentral> bazhang: 54?
[05:47] <penguincentral> ok
[05:47] <usser> penguincentral: like 136
[05:48] <usser> penguincentral: like 156
[05:48] <usser> sorry
[05:48] <penguincentral> i haven't updated for a while because of my limited bandwith, i have to do 332 on Sunday
[05:48] <m1ke> penguincentral, i want to use a soundboard on my friend using skype.   http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/flash/play/6522/
[05:48] <bazhang> well I updated last night, about 90-some; today is 54.
[05:49] <earl__> hey guys, is there a test to see if my 3d driver supports aiglx?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> i got 214 updates.. :)
[05:50] <bazhang> which card earl_?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> and - i just updated earlier today i thought. :)
[05:50] <earl__> ATI Xpress 300
[05:50] <earl__> RS480
[05:51] <earl__> ATI was supposed to release a driver this month that supports it, i thought
[05:51] <bazhang> yes.
[05:51] <earl__> yes...?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> this in a laptop?
[05:52] <bazhang> yes it supports it, I believe.
[05:53] <earl__> dr_willis: yes.
[05:53] <earl__> is there some sort of test
[05:53] <earl__> like i know for direct rendering there's glxinfo | grep direct
[05:57] <usr13> Anyone here using OO 2.3 yet?
[05:58] <cyclonut> its on my computer, havent really used it though
[05:58] <cyclonut> it starts and loads a doc fine
[05:58] <penguincentral> usr13: i've used it a bit
[05:58] <bazhang> does is support ms--ooxml?
[05:59] <penguincentral> bazhang: i doubt it
[06:00] <usr13> penguincentral, I just visited openoffice.org and it says 2.2.13   not  2.3   (I could have sworn I got an email announcing v2.3 release).
[06:00] <usr13> penguincentral, Have you tried the efax plugin yet?
[06:00] <penguincentral> usr13: my OO splash says 2.3
[06:00] <penguincentral> no
[06:00] <penguincentral> what is efax?
[06:01] <macogw> wow that Storm botnet is scary
[06:01] <bazhang> more powerful than blue gene
[06:01] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> Wonder what they are going to do with it
[06:01] <macogw> i might have to start attacking Windows computes with anti-malware programs more often....too many of them lack them
[06:02] <usr13> " eFax is an online fax service that eliminates the need for a fax machine, an extra fax line and all the associated expenses (paper, ink cartridges etc.)."
[06:02] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> macogw: I thought that this currently isn't detected by malware checkers
[06:02] <usr13> "When someone faxes to your number, the fax is displayed in the eFax Messenger solution on your computer or the fax is converted to a file that is emailed to you as an attachment."
[06:04] <usr13> (My wife uses efax at her office, (via MS Windows), and she could probably make use of it her Ubuntu machine here at home.
[06:05] <erichj> well after some messing around with the tomato firmware, i finally got it to assign the same ip address to two different mac addresses.
[06:05] <usr13> The wife works from home one day a week.
[06:06] <cyclonut> maco - brightness keys just quit on me
[06:06] <jimmacdonald> how does one change the screen resolution on the login screen?
[06:07] <erichj> jimmacdonald, don't quote me on this, but i don't think that's possible
[06:07] <cyclonut> isnt it the same as the resolution of your desktop?
[06:07] <jimmacdonald> no
[06:07] <Dr_willis> a user can have their own defined res.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> I though the screen setting/ (or was it login manager) had an option for that.
[06:08] <jimmacdonald> Dr_willis: this is for the login screen
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Im in kde at the moment, so not sure about that.
[06:08] <erichj> cyclonut, same here. displays a 1024x768 instead of the 1280x800 that my desktop uses
[06:08] <riotkittie> i think i saw someone mention something about it in +1 the other day, but being totally unhelpful, i forget what was said
[06:08] <Dr_willis> some days it just pays to explore all the control-panel/config tools.
[06:09] <Ryo> Are they trying to break a new feature every day?  Because I've had a total of 3 features break.  I forget the second one, and today they broke the theme engine.
[06:10] <Ryo> The first one was the Apps menu
[06:10] <jimmacdonald> Dr_willis: so am I
[06:10] <cyclonut> so I just restarted X, got my brightness controls back, but have no volume controls
[06:10] <macogw> cyclonut: mine too
[06:10] <cyclonut> sigh
[06:10] <macogw> Jordan_U_Gutsy: it's not by AV.  a rootkit scanner might spot it though, and i carry that around
[06:10] <riotkittie> oh wait. this is +1
[06:11] <usr13> penguincentral, Is OO 2.3  pretty nice? And stable?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> its .1 better! ya got to have it! :0
[06:11] <macogw> Jordan_U_Gutsy: either way, setting up a good firewall and lots of anti-malware stuff is a good move.  it could at least slow down the amount of spam we're all getting.  83% of email these days is spam!
[06:11] <erichj> usr13, the page is now centered for typing which is actually pretty nice
[06:12] <erichj> that always bugged me with previous versions
[06:12] <usr13> erichj, Yes, that always annoyed me.
[06:12] <usr13> I was wondering how long it would take to have the page centered.  VERY GOOD!
[06:12] <Ryo> uuuuhg I want my features back...
[06:13] <macogw> Ryo: what features?
[06:13] <erichj> if only i could get the calibri font. it's the only thing office 2007 has that i am jealous of
[06:13] <notv> on the 18th will gutsy have gnome and/or kde?
[06:13] <Ryo> macogw:  My applications menu, my gnome themes, and there was one other but I can't put my finger on it.  Every upgrade lately has taken away at least one feature.  it's annoying me.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> erichj,  that a vista font?
[06:14] <macogw> Ryo: what features went away from them?
[06:14] <erichj> Dr_willis, yeah, that and segoue ui
[06:14] <usr13> FYI:  Here is the efax page:  http://home.efax.com/s/r/efax-sun?VID=44567
[06:14] <macogw> ok i think the new Documents, Photos, etc. directories are odd
[06:14] <Dr_willis> erichj,  if so thers scripts for ubuntu that install them. :) or just 'borrow' them from a vista install and put them in ya .fonts :)
[06:14] <macogw> because it auto-added them to *upgrades*
[06:14] <macogw> on a fresh install, that makes sense
[06:14] <cyclonut> I love having my brightness; I wish I had my volume keys :(
[06:15] <macogw> on an upgrade, it doesn't
[06:15] <Ryo> macogw:  The fact that they exist.  I have no apps menu anymore.  All the apps are missing.  My gnome themes don't work anymore.  They're un-customizable.
[06:15] <usser> erichj: u can
[06:15] <erichj> Dr_willis, I know there are. I just prefer to be able to use them legally. Maybe one day MS will release them under an open license so everyone can use them.
[06:15] <macogw> Ryo: WTF?  that's just you
[06:15] <mmkassem> erichj, check http://ubuntu.wordpress.com if you want vista fonts (calibri ..etc)
[06:16] <Ryo> macogw:  Or it might not be.  You never know until someone else bothers to file a bug report.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> erichj,  heh heh..  well you can legally download/install the powerpoint viewer that the script grabs. :)   and it will install them.
[06:16] <macogw> is there a Free font that looks like MS Courier?  FreeMono is close (it's monospace+serif), but the lines are too thin
[06:16] <macogw> Ryo: true
[06:16] <erichj> Dr_willis, really?!?
[06:16] <macogw> but it's definitely not common
[06:17] <Dr_willis> erichj,  thats how the script works.. it grabs the powerpoint viewer and some how 'gets' the fonts from it.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> erichj,  i dont use it any more. since i grab them from my vista install
[06:17] <Ryo> macogw.  Yeah.  So lets make sure it stays that way.  How can I diagnose how this happened?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> erichj,  now how 'legal' that is.. i got no idea.
[06:17] <macogw> no idea
[06:18] <erichj> Dr_willis, if i own a copy of vista i wonder if i am legally entitled to use it's components however i want so long as i don't distribute them. i have a copy of home premium running in vbox
[06:18] <usser> erichj: actually no u cant
[06:19] <Dr_willis> erichj,  the way MS does their EULAS' i wouldbe be suprised if MS says running Linux on the same machine as vista is a act against nature. :)
[06:19] <erichj> heh, yeah
[06:19] <Dr_willis> wouldent be suprised if ms... :)
[06:19] <usser> erichj: as regards to fonts i think they still have to be used only within windows installation
[06:19] <Dr_willis> 'own a copy of vista' i think is not possible. :)
[06:19] <bazhang> where's MS-SUSE? He should know.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> of course some RIAA people came out saying that ripping cd's to your ipod was theft.. yesterday..
[06:20] <macogw> home premium isn't allowed to be emulated, i thought
[06:20] <erichj> if i can use calibri legally it would totally make my month. that is probably the most beautiful font i have ever seen
[06:20] <erichj> macogw, it's not
[06:20] <Dr_willis> "This product can not be ran on alternative thursdays....." :0
[06:20] <erichj> macogw, but i only use it for testing my sites in ie7
[06:20] <usser> hehe and on holy saturdays
[06:21] <macogw> Dr_willis: my cousin was studying entertainment law before, and she said that you're only licensed to use it in the format in which you buy it.  if you change medium (mp3 -> cd or vice versa) that's breaking copyright law
[06:21] <Dr_willis> erichj,  you are the first person ive seen that would even worry about it. :)
[06:21] <macogw> erichj: ies4linux!
[06:21] <Ryo> macogw:  I'm going to try reinstalling UbuntuStudio Menu to see if that fixes anything.
[06:21] <Ryo> macogw:  Also, the fact that I'm running studio might be affecting it.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> macogw,  but by not allowing  it.. the record ind. is breaking the federal fair use stuff...
[06:21] <macogw> Dr_willis: why?  ie7 has 20% share.  FF is 35%.  ie6 is 38% i think...
[06:21] <macogw> Ryo: oh maybe
[06:21] <erichj> i am running studio gutsy, with no issues
[06:22] <Dr_willis> macogw,  i mean worrying about the legality of it.
[06:22] <macogw> Dr_willis: yeah, but they dont care
[06:22] <Dr_willis> sue the internet! :0
[06:22] <erichj> macogw, i think ie7's share is larger. doesn't microsoft force the upgrade from ie6 to 7 without giving you a choice?
[06:23] <macogw> erichj: no!  you can say "cancel" and it stays 6
[06:23] <Dr_willis> erichj,  6 became 7 for a lot of my friends without them wanting it.. some how.
[06:23] <macogw> what would they do, you think, if you say "i didn't rip my cd to mp3" because you ripped it to ogg?
[06:23] <Ryo> Who uses internet explorer anyways?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> does it just nag you every 10 min untill you say yes?
[06:23] <bazhang> cupsys is fixrd! yay!
[06:23] <erichj> macogw, that didn't work for me on xp. i even turned auto updating and one day i woke up and ie7 had been installed
[06:23] <bazhang> time to update.
[06:23] <macogw> bazhang: i know im upgrading
[06:23] <macogw> weird
[06:24] <macogw> ive used plenty of windows boxes that have 6
[06:24] <macogw> actually, the one at work has 6
[06:24] <macogw> i dont get a linux box there because i'm an intern
[06:24] <macogw> 2 of the 3 other people in my cube use ubuntu
[06:24] <erichj> one of my friends had to resort to blocking the windows update url on his router to prevent the upgrade
[06:25] <Dr_willis> then come nasty security issue comes out for IE6 and ms will say. "we dont support it any more.. upgrade"
[06:25] <erichj> yeah
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :) oh wait.. that did happen for windows95 i recall. the week that it was 'phased out'
[06:26] <erichj> i think i am just going to install the fonts. if MS didn't want me using them they shouldn't have made them so attractive
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <erichj> i bought their crappy vista os, i am entitled i think
[06:27] <penguincentral> usr13: to what i know, it's not bad
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I like how MS changed the licensing on the  new fonts.. vs the old ones that ya can grab with msttcorefonts package.
[06:27] <usr13> Where can I find list of updated / patches done by package manager?
[06:27] <penguincentral> dunno
[06:27] <Dr_willis> i must have 7+gb of fonts ive collected over the years..
[06:27] <Dr_willis> how many variants can ya need.
[06:28] <erichj> i have a love for non serif fonts
[06:28] <bazhang> wow
[06:28] <Dr_willis> note to windows users... do NOT install 1000+ fonts on a windows machine. :)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> did that one day.
[06:28] <erichj> i wanted to make love to office 2007 the first time i saw calibri
[06:28] <riotkittie> thats a lot of fonts. i have a bunch on my win partition that i need to extract :|
[06:28] <usr13> Log file or history of updates?
[06:28] <bazhang> haha
[06:28] <Dr_willis> wonder if linux has issues with so many fonts..
[06:28] <bazhang> try it!
[06:29] <Dr_willis> alt.binary.erotica.fonts
[06:29] <riotkittie> but theyre in seperate folders. in rars. and then the rars contain zips. and maybe more folders.
[06:29] <erichj> hahaha
[06:29] <jscinoz> hey guys, i have a retardedly huge /home/lost+found, is there any recoverable data in here? and if not is it safe to delete /home/lost+found
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i must have 10+ of these '300 fonts for windows' cd's ive picked up ages ago for $5 each
[06:29] <erichj> i handle all the type facing for the design firm i work for.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> and i can NEVER find the one i want. thers one i liked that had 'abragonal cave art'  images. :) i used on my CD labels for ages.
[06:30] <penguincentral> Dr_willis: how old were those discs?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> penguincentral,  some are proberly going on.. 14 yrs old now I bet.
[06:30] <penguincentral> heh
[06:31] <Dr_willis> got some with my first pc.. when i got hire, been there 13 years now..
[06:31] <DanaG> I tried Vista (Ultimate) in Virtualbox.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> My first Big PC. a Pent 1, 120. :)
[06:31] <DanaG> It's not very useful.  None of the "cool" features work in a VM, and it's dog slow.
[06:31] <DanaG> At least with 512 megs of RAM in the VM, and a gig in the host.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  sounds like the real thing!
[06:32] <penguincentral> DanaG: why are you even bothering with vista?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> vista + 512M was dog slow on a real machine  here. :)
[06:32] <erichj> my first pc was a pII 400 with 128megs of ram and a voodoo 3. built it myself when i decided to drop my aging mac
[06:32] <penguincentral> !offtopic
[06:32] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I haven't seen Calibri.
[06:32] <cyclonut> argh @ brightness randomly going to 100%
[06:32] <bazhang> wow the servers are getting hammered
[06:33] <DanaG> I use the DejaVu fonts, with the "legacy" subpixel filter.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,  a friend at work had an issue with Compiz, where when he hit the tab key, brightness would change.
[06:33] <erichj> DanaG, Calibri is a stunning font
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if brightness keys quit during an update, restart HAL and dbus.  Then reinstall gnome-power-manager.
[06:34] <DanaG> I still have a voodoo3 2000 PCI around here.
[06:34] <DanaG> I wonder if Compiz will run on it...
[06:34] <cyclonut> Dr_willis: it just changed when I didnt hit anything...
[06:34] <macogw> Dr_willis: i once printed out every font on my win95 computer with like "Arial" in arial and "Courier" in courier until I had them all out on like sheets of paper so i had a catalog of my fonts and could flip through
[06:34] <KevlarSoul> my question: If I use 64 bit or 32 bit, will I encounter the same issues i have with Windows 32 bit, versus 64 bit, O/S, re: Driver/software support??
[06:34] <macogw> i use the Liberation fonts
[06:34] <erichj> my voodoo was a voodoo 3 3000 i believe. had s-video out. god i miss glide
[06:35] <macogw> KevlarSoul: no, everything in ubuntu is compiled for both
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Turn in a term paper with a 'Ransom Note Font' :)
[06:35] <erichj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Calibri_font.svg
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Stick Figure Font = My Fave.
[06:35] <erichj> looks better in office
[06:35] <macogw> KevlarSoul: the one exception is Adobe Flash which is 32bit only *except* there is a wrapper to make it work with 64bit firefox
[06:35] <KevlarSoul> macogw no difference? the same process for both?
[06:36] <KevlarSoul> macogw is using a wrapper a relatively easy and painless fix?
[06:36] <bazhang> cupsys fixed! yesss!
[06:36] <macogw> KevlarSoul: right.  since we've got the source, it's just a recompile.  on windows it's "we only sell disks for 32bit" and then bleh
[06:36] <Ryo> Ok, #1, I remembered the other feature I lost:  Screensavers
[06:36] <macogw> KevlarSoul: yes
[06:36] <Dr_willis> i need a good 3d fish tank screensaver! :0
[06:36] <KevlarSoul> So, all the Linux software will work on either.
[06:36] <Dr_willis> oh so its not a need...
[06:36] <usr13> Is there not a log file someplace for apt-get ?
[06:36] <KevlarSoul> excepting the Adobe issue
[06:36] <usr13> Or an option for one?
[06:37] <erichj> speaking of screensavers. rendering was fixed on my intel card. now 3d models are not long transparent for me.
[06:37] <erichj> no longer
[06:37] <erichj> wtf
[06:37] <DanaG> Cool screensavers: rss-glx.
[06:37] <DanaG> Give them a try!
[06:37] <usr13> I would like to log what I'm un-installing now.
[06:37] <Ryo> My screensavers won't work.
[06:37] <KevlarSoul> Also, my question is I want to dual boot with GG, is that something I can do easily with GG?
[06:37] <bazhang> sounds cool.
[06:37] <Ryo> half of gnome isn't working for me.
[06:37] <DanaG> But be warned: don't use gnome-screensaver, because you can't change any settings at all!  WTF?
[06:37] <KevlarSoul> (I am currently using Vista 64
[06:37] <riotkittie> usr13: in /var/log/apt/... ?
[06:37] <DanaG> It's a "Feature!"
[06:37] <bazhang> KevlarSoul: gutsy was made to dual boot.
[06:38] <Alp-> i'm just upgrading to gutsy kubuntu. he downloaded all packages and began to install them. on 2 % i got some errors about not beeing able to install some packages, and now its stuck... what now?
[06:38] <erichj> usr13, sudo apt-get remove <package> | tee output.txt
[06:38] <riotkittie> DanaG: can you blame them for wanting to shelter us from the horror of screensaver settings? they are oh so tough, and we are oh so frail
[06:38] <riotkittie> really. it's a kindness. <hides>
[06:39] <DanaG> But try rss-glx in gnome-screensaver, and you'll find the defaults to be almost literally seizure-inducing.
[06:39] <bazhang> ahaha
[06:39] <macogw> Alp-: manually install whichever package was the first to fail
[06:39] <DanaG> They run at 500fps, on random preset.
[06:39] <DanaG> That's not a sane default.
[06:39] <macogw> Alp-: how long ago did you start, by the way?  cupsys just got fixed in the last half hour or so
[06:40] <Alp-> macogw: maybe i missed that, half an hour could be, or one hour
[06:40] <Alp-> i dont remember the name of the packages
[06:40] <usr13> erichj, Thanks...
[06:40] <DM|> anyone gotten Compiz fusion + emerald working in gutsy?
[06:40] <macogw> Alp-: did the upgrader quit?
[06:40] <bazhang> does anyone have the link for getting compiz going?
[06:40] <macogw> DM|: yes, everybody, i think
[06:40] <Alp-> macogw: nope its still open
[06:40] <macogw> Alp-: can you scroll back up the "details" box and look?
[06:41] <DM|> macogw mines not working :( any tips?
[06:41] <erichj> usr13, that may not be exactly what you want but it will dump the output to a file for you
[06:41] <usr13> What is the command to show installed packages that are directly related to OpenOffice?
[06:41] <DM|> macogw its not letting me switch themese
[06:41] <macogw> DM|: not really. mine worked immediately
[06:41] <bazhang> DM|: yes, but the alternate window manager is nicer.
[06:41] <DanaG> try this to see the default rss-glx settings:
[06:41] <Alp-> macd:  atm it says somthing about libcaca0. it doesnt show a terminal at all, none of the output
[06:41] <DM|> bazhang which one is that?
[06:41] <DanaG> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/solarwinds
[06:41] <macogw> bazhang: what alternative wm would that be?
[06:41] <Alp-> @macogw:
[06:41] <usr13> I'm about to uninstall OpenOffice
[06:41] <macogw> Alp-: yeah i got it....i get called the wrong one a lot
[06:42] <DanaG> Oh, and it devours CPU, too.
[06:42] <jscinoz> hey guys, i have a retardedly huge /home/lost+found, is there any recoverable data in here? and if not is it safe to delete /home/lost+found
[06:42] <osmosis> i cant find any existing bugs for this. http://dpaste.com/21496/
[06:42] <macogw> Alp-: the little terminal output thing is missing??
[06:42] <usr13> (Still using 7.04 but wanting to upgrade to OO 2.3)
[06:42] <bazhang> for kde it's kde-window-decorator, not sure about GNOME, macogw
[06:42] <riotkittie> h. my. god. my eyes, my eyes. D:
[06:42] <macogw> Alp-: the upgrade won't complete if something failed. just quit the installer nw
[06:42] <macogw> *now
[06:43] <macogw> bazhang: oooo gtk-window-decorator?  bleh.  boring.  emerald > gtk|kde-window-decorator
[06:43] <Alp-> macogw: yes, its not showing if i click on terminal. ok i quit it now
[06:43] <Alp-> macogw: what now, start it again?
[06:43] <DM|> bazhang ah i use gnome, but i want emerald or heliodor. and heliodor is no longer working ingutsy.
[06:44] <macogw> Alp-: cd /var/log/apt
[06:44] <macogw> Alp-: sudo -i
[06:44] <bazhang> DM|: oh, sorry about that. KDE is so much nicer with c-f.
[06:44] <erichj> oh and usr13  using -u when installing will also make apt show you what packages it upgrades
[06:44] <macogw> Alp-: less term.log
[06:44] <macogw> Alp-: see where it first errored
[06:45] <Alp-> macogw: there is not apt directory in /var/log
[06:45] <Alp-> *no
[06:45] <macogw> what?
[06:45] <macogw> weird
[06:45] <macogw> should be...
[06:45] <riotkittie> super weird
[06:45] <bazhang> what?
[06:45] <macogw> positive?
[06:45] <Alp-> just an aptitude log file
[06:45] <macogw> check that then
[06:46] <macogw> i have an apt directory and an aptitude log though
[06:46] <Alp-> its empty
[06:46] <macogw> oh aptitude doesnt say what failed anyway
[06:46] <Alp-> maybe dpkg?
[06:46] <macogw> dpkg -C
[06:46] <macogw> dpkg.log might give info
[06:46] <macogw> dpkg -C tells what's not configured
[06:47] <Alp-> debconf made problems
[06:47] <macogw> Alp-: what?
[06:47] <macogw> what do you mean?
[06:48] <Alp-> dpkg -C tells me that debconf is half configured and could cause problems
[06:48] <Alp-> and there is bunch of other not configured packages
[06:49] <macogw> ok so debconf is what you need to fix
[06:49] <macogw> because it mustve broke in the middle of it for it to be half configured
[06:49] <macogw> sudo apt-get install debconf
[06:49] <erichj> hmmm looks like the gimmie applet broke today as well.
[06:49] <bazhang> Alp-: I had to do a dpkg --configure -a on the latest update; that fixed it.
[06:49] <macogw> bazhang: that should autorun after debconf is fixed.  debconf was likely a messed up file if dpkg couldnt configure it
[06:50] <penguincentral> does anyone know how to setup finch?
[06:50] <usr13> FYI:  Synaptic package manager HAS a log.    File -> History
[06:50] <bazhang> macogw: so maybe new topic should be: debconf is broken...
[06:51] <macogw> bazhang: its not broken for the rest of us
[06:51] <erichj> whoa, update icon just popped up with 148 updates. i just installed 121 like 3 hours ago
[06:51] <macogw> just Alp-
[06:51] <macogw> erichj: yeah i know...
[06:51] <macogw> bazhang: bad downloads aren't that uncommon
[06:51] <riotkittie> i dont have any upgrades. i feel like a redheaded stepchild :(
[06:51] <riotkittie> updates.
[06:51] <webulator70> hello, i have alsa errors and no sound but it worked fine on feisty
[06:51] <erichj> run your update manager, bet you do have some
[06:52] <DM|> lol it was as simple as i was missing the emerald package...
[06:52] <erichj> oh man, libhal is getting updated again.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> i dident see the emerald package actually do anything. :)
[06:52] <cyclonut> have y'all had trouble with compiz positioning windows so that the title bar is out of reach?
[06:53] <Alp-> macogw: ok after reinstalling i can run upgrade again?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,  no i havent.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> ive seen other issues with compiz however
[06:53] <cyclonut> hmm, it almost like it doesnt know the top panel is there
[06:53] <macogw> Alp-: shouldnt need to.  "sudo dpkg --configure -a" should configure all the packages that were remaining after your error
[06:54] <Dr_willis> cyclonut,  with mine the bottom gnome panel dosent show up untill i click on it.
[06:54] <erichj> 16k/s the servers are getting hammered tonight
[06:54] <cyclonut> I think my problem is related to window decorations
[06:54] <bazhang> macogw: I was just kidding.
[06:54] <cyclonut> even when I move the panel, it aligns with the top of the window, not the top of the decoration
[06:54] <webulator70> anyone have trouble with an sblive on gutsy?
[06:54] <macogw> bazhang: oh
[06:55] <bazhang> macogw: sorry.
[06:55] <cyclonut> brb
[06:56] <Alp-> macogw: seems to work now... lets wait :) thx
[06:56] <macogw> np
[06:56] <riotkittie> im dowloading at 181kb/s :|
[06:56] <bazhang> wow!
[06:57] <Alp-> thats really slow :>
[06:57] <riotkittie> kB. is that better? still really slow, but :P ...
[06:58] <macogw> that's not too bad...i mean, i could do worse
[06:58] <penguincentral> riotkittie: that's pretty good, even i could do worse
[06:58] <macogw> last week apt was reporting my download speed in BYTES per second
[06:59] <riotkittie> haha
[06:59] <Dr_willis> bits.. :) 00 11 00 101 0
[06:59] <macogw> it was like 500B/s
[06:59] <Dr_willis> im glad i updatee earlier.
[06:59] <Alp-> he removes texlive-full :(
[06:59] <Zoiks> gutsy is installed and working :)
[07:00] <Zoiks> however windows is not showing up on my grub loader
[07:00] <Zoiks> how can I add it
[07:00] <macogw> Alp-: reinstall it?
[07:00] <Alp-> macogw: yeah :)
[07:00] <Alp-> ah he installed it again automatically
[07:01] <macogw> Alp-: i dont have texlive-full.  didnt know about it...woah maybe i wont install that.  i dont need TeX for every language in the world...English, Spanish, Japanese, and Russian at the most
[07:02] <Alp-> macogw: i just didnt want to install every small packages manually
[07:02] <macogw> if you install "texlive" it gets all the common ones
[07:02] <macogw> i installed "texlive" and "texlive-latex-extras"
[07:03] <Alp-> me too, but it wasnt enough
[07:03] <macogw> the second one gets a bunch of classes, like business card, resume, mla style...
[07:03] <macogw> oh
[07:03] <Alp-> dunno why
[07:03] <Alp-> for example onlyamsmath wasnt installed
[07:06] <rkyraccoon55> so, why wont gutsty update?
[07:06] <Alp-> rkyraccoon55: whats the matter?
[07:06] <DM|> What would you all suggest for video editing?
[07:07] <Alp-> DM|:  printing all frames, making changes with some pencils and scanning it back :)
[07:07] <rkyraccoon55> I get this error every time i try and update "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[07:07] <rkyraccoon55> "
[07:07] <DM|> alp- hey.. i aint walt disney
[07:08] <riotkittie> Zoiks: edit /boot/grub/menu.list ....
[07:08] <Alp-> DM|: sorry, it's boring to wait for gutsy to finish install
[07:08] <bazhang> rkyraccoon55: it's fixed now. just needs to reach your server.
[07:08] <DM|> alp- ok.. any suggestions tho?
[07:09] <Alp-> DM|: sorry, none. never made video editing in linux so far
[07:09] <Alp-> DM|: but i think i heard something about a good program. called cinerella or something
[07:11] <Alp-> DM|: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/
[07:12] <DM|> ty
[07:12] <riotkittie> what possessed me to install emerald. ><
[07:12] <Alp-> np, tell me if its good :)
[07:13] <Alp-> riotkittie: why? i like emerald
[07:13] <riotkittie> maybe i just need  to find a better theme.
[07:13] <Alp-> riotkittie: take that graphit thingie
[07:15] <webulator70> could not open resource for writing, what does it mean when alsa says this?
[07:17] <frostburn> something is messed up with the sound settings, other than that, don't know
[07:17] <webulator70> i had it work on feisty ok
[07:18] <webulator70> then i format and put gutsy on and i get that
[07:18] <webulator70> sblive
[07:18] <frostburn> this is gutsy =P
[07:18] <frostburn> check out the alsa page for correct settings
[07:18] <Ryo> Allright, I just found out how my apps menu broke.  If you want to learn how to join in the broken apps menu club, here's how you reproduce the error:
[07:18] <Ryo> 1:  Make a new user so it doesn't affect you.
[07:19] <Ryo> 2:  Log in and open the Menu editor.
[07:19] <Ryo> 3:  Uncheck "show" for rythmbox
[07:19] <Ryo> 4:  Delete the Launcher for Totem
[07:19] <Ryo> 5:  Hit Revert
[07:19] <Ryo> 6:  Your Apps menu is now made of fail.
[07:20] <frostburn> 7. profit?
[07:20] <Ryo> hahahaha
[07:20] <bazhang> hehe
[07:20] <frostburn> i've found the menu app mess up my settings numerous times
[07:20] <Ryo> You forgot the "???
[07:22] <Ryo> So does anyone know how to get it back to it's old state?
[07:23] <macogw> Ryo: make a new user.  copy their .gnome to your ~
[07:23] <Ryo> macogw.  Awesome.  Thanks.
[07:23] <frostburn> or nuke your current settings
[07:23] <frostburn> that's easier
[07:24] <frostburn> ryo make sure to file a bug report, or check to see if there's one already
[07:24] <bazhang> has anyone seen an error where they ask for the flash seven? I have flash 9!
[07:25] <frostburn> is it for a specific web page?
[07:26] <bazhang> tw.yahoo.com
[07:28] <frostburn> are you using non-free or the oss one?
[07:28] <macogw> frostburn: too late on that one with ryo
[07:29] <bazhang> non-free; upgraded to it from within kde!
[07:29] <frostburn> mozilla/konquerer?
[07:29] <bazhang> yes!
[07:30] <bazhang> it's sweet
[07:31] <macogw> what is with all the gutsy questions in Absolute Beginners?
[07:33] <frostburn> hmm, not sure how much i can help, i haven't used konquerer in a few years.  it could be a bunch of things.  about:plugins shows that flash is there?
[07:33] <erichj> looks like its time to reboot to finish this update
[07:33] <erichj> wish me luck
[07:34] <frostburn> in firefox*
[07:36] <erichj> woohoo
[07:36] <riotkittie> i take it that went well.  :P
[07:36] <bazhang> yes!
[07:37] <erichj> indeed it did. login manager is displaying correct resolution now
[07:37] <riotkittie> ooooh
[07:37] <erichj> any word on usplash, is the fix gonna show itself during the beta or are we going to have to wait for final?
[07:39] <midtown> erichj, which usplash bug are you referring to?
[07:39] <erichj> any, usplash doesn't show when GDM is loading
[07:40] <midtown> erichj, oh yeah i haven't seen it in so long i forgot it was supposed to haha. i knew something was missing...
[07:40] <erichj> haha
[07:41] <midtown> does anyone else still get the flash to black bug when the logout/shutdown splash screen comes up, that tribe 4 apparently fixed?
[07:41] <midtown> it still affected me in tribe 5 and now in the beta
[07:42] <bazhang> midtown: yes.
[07:42] <midtown> is there an open bug report for it, i have been trying to find it but couldn't
[07:42] <erichj> not me. although x still shuts down incorrectly for me. the screen gets all garbled and i have to do a hard reboot 2 out of every 3 reboots
[07:44] <bazhang> midtown: only sometimes.
[07:45] <midtown> it is every time for me
[07:46] <jimmacdonald> can someone tell me how to change the screen resolution on the LOGIN screen?
[07:56] <pvh> I'm finding it very difficult to configure compiz+dual head on my ATI card under Gutsy. Can I help improve the release by providing feedback somewhere?
[07:58] <jscinoz> is 100C a safe load temp for a laptop nvidia card
[07:58] <uga> pvh: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs ?
[07:58] <uga> jscinoz: sounds like HOT
[07:59] <uga> jimmacdonald: on xorg.conf
[07:59] <Starcraftmazter> anyone else can't download the displayconfig-gtk update?
[07:59] <MS-Suse> do i need zeroconf for file sharing over network?
[07:59] <jscinoz> uga, but is it safe? any risk of damage to the card or other components?
[08:00] <uga> jscinoz: what's running at 100, the cpu, or gpu
[08:00] <Tomcat_`> MS-Suse: No.
[08:00] <uga> jscinoz: I don't know about usual gpu temps on laptops, but my desktop one runs at 50C
[08:00] <jscinoz> uga, GPU is 101C, CPU 54C
[08:01] <Tomcat_`> MS-Suse: ZeroConf is just a way of configuring a network without central configuration.
[08:01] <uga> jscinoz: you could try asking on nvidia forums
[08:01] <ohsoferrety> I'm not sure why, but Totem and Amarok just randomly stopped playing MP3s.
[08:01] <MS-Suse> Tomcat_`, thanks, by the way, what do i use to connect to shared folder on windows?
[08:01] <uga> jscinoz: http://forums.nvidia.com/
[08:01] <Tomcat_`> MS-Suse: Nautilus (the file manager)
[08:02] <MS-Suse> Tomcat_`, i need to know the ip?
[08:02] <Tomcat_`> MS-Suse: Use the "Connect to Server" menu option, or "smb://<host>/<share>"
[08:02] <Tomcat_`> MS-Suse: Or the hostname.
[08:02] <ohsoferrety> Rhythmbox still plays MP3s, though.
[08:02] <MS-Suse> Tomcat_`, ok thank you
[08:05] <ohsoferrety> :(
[08:12] <ohsoferrety> Strange. Got MP3 playback...back.
[08:27] <erichj> i love the new login theme and loading screen for ubuntu studio.
[08:27] <erichj> keep rebooting my desktop just to see it
[08:27] <erichj> i need to get a life
[08:27] <bazhang> hahahha
[08:27] <bazhang> this is living!
[08:28] <kRush> good morning
[08:28] <erichj> i agree
[08:28] <erichj> morning
[08:29] <kRush> wee cupsys is the first broken update for me since switching to gutsy ^^
[08:29] <calc> what besides libdvdcss2 does totem need to play dvd's?
[08:30] <calc> it claims it can't play it still but doesn't say what it needs
[08:30] <calc> "Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because it does not have the appropriate plugins to be able to read from the disc."
[08:30] <bazhang> hi!
[08:30] <calc> it used to be more descriptive or is for other types of files anyway
[08:40] <kRush> calc, maybe a region code problem?
[08:40] <calc> i've played dvd's on it before afaik
[08:40] <calc> i am going to test totem-xine to see if it makes a difference
[08:43] <calc> er weird
[08:43] <calc> its region 1
[08:56] <calc> kRush: it was a sony dvd which was the problem
[08:56] <bazhang> rootkit?
[08:56] <kRush> hehe
[08:56] <calc> bazhang: i think that was only on their music cd's
[08:57] <calc> bazhang: but it has such awful protection that many standalone dvd players can't even play the movies
[08:57] <calc> its easily broken with programs to copy dvd's though so i'll just copy it and then play it
[08:57] <bazhang> check out offtopic--blue rays don't work either!
[08:57] <calc> iirc it is called arccos
[08:58] <calc> when your protection is so bad that people have to pirate your movies to play them you have done something wrong
[08:59] <bazhang> no question.
[09:02] <enyc> Unpacking replacement cupsys ...
[09:02] <enyc> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[09:02] <enyc>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[09:08] <DanaG> Yay, I fixed my brightness control.
[09:08] <DanaG> edit /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-lcd-{get,set}-brightness-linux
[09:09] <DanaG> and replace the first couple of $HAL_PROP_LINUX_SYSFS_PATH/brightness
[09:09] <DanaG> with $HAL_PROP_LINUX_SYSFS_PATH/actual_brightness
[09:09] <bazhang> yay!
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh, and then add "options video no_automatic_changes=0" to some file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[09:10] <bazhang> cool!
[09:10] <DanaG> and sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/module/video/parameters/no_automatic_changes'
[09:11] <DanaG> That last one is only needed one time, so you don't have to reboot.
[09:11] <bazhang> thanks!
[09:14] <sobersabre> hi.
[09:14] <Trewas> the release must be approaching, the last minute breakages are coming in... with latest upgrades my laptop randomly fails to suspend, and that has worked without any problems since edgy
[09:14] <sobersabre> I have installed java-6-sun.
[09:14] <bazhang> ok
[09:14] <sobersabre> but for some reason my JAVA_HOME is set to be /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun
[09:15] <sobersabre> I have grepped through /etc, and cannot find where it is set.
[09:15] <sobersabre> can somebody help me?
[09:15] <sobersabre> this is gutsy
[09:15] <DanaG> Oh, you can use the utility "galternatives" (it's a package) to update that.
[09:16] <sobersabre> DanaG: are you talking to me ?
[09:16] <DanaG> Yeah.
[09:16] <sobersabre> I have tried to use update-alternatives.
[09:16] <DanaG> Aah.
[09:16] <sobersabre> but hell. I have setup a /etc/profile.d/java.sh
[09:17] <sobersabre> it is added, but AFTER it the bad JAVA_HOME is set. And I don't understand at what stage of shell's execution this bastard is added.
[09:18] <sobersabre> and update-alternatives --all displays nothing related the java 5
[09:19] <sobersabre> this MUST be something like a script, so I must be able to track it down!!!
[09:19] <Tomcat_`> grep -R JAVA_HOME /etc? :)
[09:20] <Tomcat_`> Oh you did.
[09:20] <Tomcat_`> /etc/jvm contains those paths for me.
[09:21] <Jordan_U> eythian, System -> Administration -> Networking set the interface to roaming mode
[09:23] <eythian> Jordan_U: OK, trying that now
[09:23] <eythian> seems to work
[09:23] <sobersabre> FOUND IT.
[09:23] <sobersabre> thanks all.
[09:24] <eythian> second problem, it isn't seeing my wireless. the option doesn't come up in network-manager.
[09:24] <eythian> will try a restart...
[09:31] <kRush> any ideas how to fix high cpu usage with sound playback? rhythmbox goes up to 20% just playing ogg/mp3 which is insane =(
[09:34] <eythian> Now my wireless isn't being seen. It requires the ipw3945 driver, which I can't see anywhere.
[09:34] <eythian> the restricted drivers manager knows that it's there, and it claims to be enabled but not in use.
[09:36] <bazhang> Gutsy!
[09:37] <BlueParrot> "A Non-printable pdf can be obtained from the following link" Oh yea? We will see what xpdf thinks about that *grin*
[09:38] <bazhang> ahaha
[09:39] <magnetron> hehe BlueParrot what is it? a pdf of a cheque?
[09:40] <bazhang> In ten or so days, we're taking over the #ubuntu and #kubuntu channels! Rasta!
[09:40] <Tm_T> ?
[09:41] <bazhang> Tm_T: I thought you were sleeping....sorry!
[09:42] <bazhang> about being off-topic
[09:42] <erichj> eythian, sometimes you need to run sudo apt-get update before the manager will be able to load the firmware
[09:44] <BlueParrot> magnetron: some article off MIT
[09:44] <KevlarSoul> Tried to install GG and no video, I have a Nvidia 8800 GTX
[09:44] <erichj> manager did the same thing for me with the bcm43xx firmware. update fixed it and it was able to load it
[09:44] <KevlarSoul> Black screen
[09:44] <BlueParrot> hmm, lots of updates to cusps lately ...
[09:44] <KevlarSoul> nothing, I tried safe mode
[09:45] <KevlarSoul> Cannot install it
[09:47] <KevlarSoul> I boot to my CD and run install then it goes black....I wait for a few MINUTES...then nothing.
[09:50] <eythian> I'm not using compiz, but suspend no longer works (well, resume doesn't). Where can I look for this one. It work 100% in feisty.
[09:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I realized something else about the brightness:
[09:53] <DanaG> The 'set' script should still use "brightness", not "actual_brightness".
[09:53] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 5 minutes
[09:54] <DanaG> What does MOTU  stand for?
[09:54] <eythian> dholbach: Q&A about what?
[09:54] <erichj> master of the universe
[09:54] <dholbach> Masters Of The Universe
[09:54] <erichj> masters
[09:54] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[09:55] <dholbach> eythian: people interested in packaging and becoming Ubuntu Developers
[09:55] <eythian> dholbach: ah, right
[09:56] <eythian> OK, next problem, maybe someone can help here: alsa no longer detects sound on this machine. It used to use snd-hda-intel, that module doesn't exist any more.
[09:56] <erichj> so you got your wireless firmware working?
[09:56] <eythian> erichj: nope
[09:57] <eythian> there's no ipw3945 module either. I'm just working through the issues I've found in the hope that some of them work (and I can file useful bugs)
[09:57] <erichj> well, the intel-hda thing is curious. i'm guessing it's a realtek card?
[09:57] <DanaG> I have hda-intel, and I get playback, but capture is still broken.
[09:58] <eythian> erichj: no, intel on an HP laptop. That's all I know about it really.
[09:58] <eythian> DanaG: what module are you using?
[09:58] <eythian> DanaG: and I've never had capture working, I'm not too concerned about that at the moment :)
[09:58] <erichj> eythian, right, intel uses other manufacturers for the sound chip. it shows as intel-hda though
[09:59] <eythian> erichj: ah, OK
[09:59] <erichj> usually it is realtek
[09:59] <DanaG> I have hda-intel that is Sigmatel.
[09:59] <DanaG> STAC9250.
[09:59] <eythian> DanaG: that rings a bell actually
[09:59] <erichj> mine is a realtek alc883
[09:59] <eythian> alsaconf just says it can't find anything
[10:00] <DanaG> What's your laptop model?  There may be specs online.
[10:00] <erichj> DanaG, right, but from my talks with my brother in law. he works for intel. realtek is the most common provider
[10:00] <eythian> HP Pavilion dv5000
[10:01] <eythian> device manager just tells me: "82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller"
[10:01] <DanaG> Works for Intel?  Cool.
[10:01] <DanaG> The thing that bugs me about Sigmatel: lacks even the most basic software DS3D emulation.
[10:02] <eythian> DanaG: what snd module are you using?
[10:03] <eythian> this may be relevant: http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/mmannion/entry/sound_broken_after/
[10:06] <erichj> 82801 is the mobile pci bridge
[10:06] <eythian> erichj: yeah, that's the best info I could find in dev manager.
[10:06] <erichj> is there an arrow next to your sound entry, should expand to give more information
[10:06] <erichj> same bridge as me
[10:07] <eythian> erichj: nope, no arrow
[10:07] <eythian> trying the patched module, see if that helps
[10:17] <eythian> well, one step further, it detects but can't load the module: "Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter"
[10:17] <eythian> snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_verbose_printk
[10:19] <eythian> well try a reboot...
[10:21] <DanaG> Oh, if you've compiled your own hda-intel, you have to remove the packaged one.
[10:21] <DanaG> /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[10:21] <DanaG> Then sudo depmod -a
[10:23] <erichj> DanaG, make sure you repeat that for him if he comes back
[10:24] <eythian> OK, I have sound however the master control does nothing, only PCM does.
[10:25] <eythian> I can live with that though
[10:27] <eythian> OK, back to wireless. What happened to the ipw3945 driver?
[10:28] <DanaG> Oh, if you've compiled your own hda-intel, you have to remove the packaged one.
[10:28] <DanaG> /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[10:28] <DanaG> Then sudo depmod -a
[10:28] <DanaG> But only if you've compiled your own.
[10:29] <DanaG> Oh, and ipw3945 is in linux-ubuntu-modules.
[10:29] <eythian> DanaG: there was no packaged hda-intel driver, that was the problem. The install I did patched alsa to include it, and produced a packaged one.
[10:29] <DanaG> Aah.
[10:29] <DanaG> I'm using the HG alsa.
[10:30] <eythian> ahhh. I'm running a -386 kernel, but only have the -generic modules. that might be an issue :)
[10:30] <eythian> I guess I should change the kernel
[10:30] <Ramy> i'm connected to a LAN, at startup the netowrk manager applet say "no network connection" and pidgin is waiting for network connection even i'm connected and can surf web and use xchat ? how i can solve that ?
[10:32] <DanaG> Heh, snd_pcsp.
[10:32] <DanaG> PC SPeaker.
[10:32] <eythian> ramy: are you sure the network connection is good? Does 'sudo dhclient eth0' work?
[10:33] <eythian> Ramy: never mind, I misread
[10:33] <eythian> OK, rebooting, hopefully with shiny new modules!
[10:34] <DanaG> Bedtime for me.
[10:34] <DanaG> http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel/shortlog
[10:34] <DanaG> No recent updates.
[10:37] <eythian> DanaG: thanks, that pointed me in just the right direction, I have sound (from the default installed stuff) and wireless now
[10:39] <eythian> now to test suspend again...wish me luck!
[10:40] <eythian> that was the last of my showstoppers, and it works :)
[10:42] <eythian> now lets test out the new monitor configuration stuff
[10:42] <DanaG> mic thingL https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3205
[10:42] <DanaG> s/L/:/
[10:45] <eythian> the built-in monitor layout thing doesn't pick up my second monitor, but the nvidia controls do, so that's OK. Need to log out because they still haven't fixed that gnome bug with dual screens...brb
[10:50] <Fjodor> Would anyone happen to know why my geforce4 ti 4600 just turns off the monitor when attempting to start X (yes, I installed legacy drivers as per instruction)?
[10:51] <magnetron> Fjodor: i use a geforce3 ti 500 with the new drivers
[10:52] <Fjodor> magnetron: Interesting. I remember reading that the new drivers cut older cards up to and including geforce4. Anyways, I read that after getting the same problem with the new drivers, so...
[10:53] <eythian> uh oh, found a new major problem: when you log out of gnome it restarts X. This is a problem because gnome doesn't do twinview properly unless you log in with two monitors active. So I used to be able to set up the dual screen, log out, log in, and it wouldn't bother me until I next rebooted. Now that X restarts, this doesn't work.
[10:54] <eythian> So...anyone know how to make X not restart when you log out?
[10:55] <Fjodor> eythian: While I don't actually know, I should think it would have something to do with configuring gdm...
[10:55] <eythian> Fjodor: just looking into that now
[10:55] <Fjodor> eythian: Good luck
[10:57] <Sergemine> Hy, everyone. Is there a way to specify the Graphix driver on 7.10 LiveCD boot? 'Cause it chooses vesa for my card, while said here ATI would work. PLS
[10:58] <kRush> playing audio ogg/mp3/file/stream I get ~2% CPU usage on vlc (oss/alsa), mplayer (oss) - but ~15-20%CPU on rhythmbox, mplayer (alsa), totem ... card is an audigy2zs and I'm out of ideas, anyone helping me figuring this one out would be highly appreciated
[11:00] <eythian> OK, turning 'AlwaysRestartServer' to false in gdm.conf makes no difference :(
[11:01] <Sergemine> Is there a way to specify the Graphix driver on 7.10 LiveCD boot?
[11:06] <murkyMurk> lates gutsy auto update of cupsys fails with, E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[11:07] <murkyMurk> lol..just read topic
[11:12] <pwuertz> hey, I'm running a system upgraded from feisty
[11:12] <pwuertz> any idea how to get rid of python2.4 ?
[11:13] <Sergemine> Is there a way to specify the Graphix driver on 7.10 LiveCD boot? 'Cause it chooses vesa for my card, while said here ATI would work. PLS
[11:14] <Jordan_U> Only one day left until Gutsy is released http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/dist/710countdown_1days.png ;)
[11:14] <geser> pwuertz: try to remove it and see what other software you have installed still needs it
[11:15] <geser> pwuertz: and decide if you need it or not
[11:15] <Jordan_U> Sergemine, You can change the driver and restart X, unless VESA doesn't work at all for some reason
[11:15] <pwuertz> Sergemine: maybe your ati is too new and restrictive, so the opensource driver can't be used... ubuntu won't load the proprietary drivers by default
[11:17] <pwuertz> geser: yea... but the problem is that most packages "think" python 2.4 is required
[11:17] <pwuertz> geser: it would uninstall the whole system
[11:19] <Sergemine> Jordan_U, pwuertz, that's the prob that X doesn't start. I had to install drivers in Feisty, but guyssaid on this chanel that the updated ATI driver in Gutsy sould be capable to use myradeon card. The question though is: Is there a way to make the LiveCD system use ATI instead of VESA. Or that is to run xserver-reconfigure or whatever ...
[11:20] <pwuertz> Sergemine: no way... the live-cd does not include the driver from ati
[11:20] <pwuertz> Sergemine: strange... vesa should at least start an X server with basic screensize
[11:20] <Sergemine> pwuertz, even the opensource one, or there isn't a os one?
[11:21] <pwuertz> Sergemine: there is one... "radeon"... but ati didn't allow the developers to support new gfx hardware
[11:21] <Sergemine> pwuertz, it is a laptop and the display is 1280x900 so that is probablt where it fails
[11:22] <pwuertz> Sergemine: try booting the failsafe mode
[11:22] <pwuertz> Sergemine: well.. your display should work with 800x600 as well
[11:23] <Sergemine> pwuertz ok. will doright now. It didn't help in feisty so I skiped it this time
[11:23] <Sergemine> pwuertz, thank you
[11:23] <pwuertz> Sergemine: just had a friend check out the live-cd I downloaded yesterday... failsafe was the only way getting X up and running
[11:24] <pwuertz> don't know why
[11:24] <Sergemine> hm... thanks
[11:26] <pwuertz> geser: ok... just checked again... only numpy, scipy and matplotlib require python 2.4
[11:29] <JosefK> has anyone else noticed the default audio settings in gutsy aren't so great for listening to noisecore/grind?  Distorts to hell, thought I'd knackered my speakers for a bit :(
[11:29] <pwuertz> geser: this might be a mistake
[11:31] <eythian> JosefK: what's the PCM volume setting, I leave it about 80% for that kind of stuff, otherwise it seems to do that.
[11:36] <edulix> hi
[11:36] <edulix> what package contains s2ram in gutsy? does that even exist in gutsy anymore? uswsusp contains s2disk and s2both but not s2ram command
[11:37] <jussi01> !find s2ram
[11:37] <ubotu> Package/file s2ram does not exist in gutsy
[11:37] <JosefK> eythian, yeah, I found that and fixed it, seems to default to 100%
[11:37] <jussi01> edulix: sorry
[11:38] <savvas> edulix: what does s2ram do?
[11:38] <edulix> suspend to ram
[11:40] <savvas> edulix: you mean hibernate? :)
[11:40] <savvas> edulix: check these out, maybe one of them is the one you want: http://pastebin.ca/raw/726548
[11:40] <hylje> savvas: hibernate suspends to disk
[11:41] <savvas> hylje: hibernate - smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk)
[11:41] <edulix> savvas: there a lot of suspend scripts, I wanted the one of uswsusp
[11:43] <savvas> uh..
[11:43] <savvas> edulix: uswsusp exists
[11:43] <savvas> $ s2ram
[11:43] <savvas> The program 's2ram' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[11:43] <savvas> sudo apt-get install uswsusp
[11:44] <savvas> sometimes just typing the command can actually help :P
[11:44] <edulix> sorry
[11:44] <edulix> you're right
[11:44] <savvas> (it's a new addition since feisty i think)
[11:44] <edulix> uhm, no, you're not. I still have the problem
[11:45] <edulix> # s2ram
[11:45] <edulix> -su: s2ram: orden no encontrada
[11:45] <edulix> (which mean: command not found)
[11:45] <savvas> you haven't checked the universe software repos
[11:45] <savvas> system > admin > soft sources
[11:45] <edulix> savvas: not only I hae them, but I have also uswsusp installed
[11:45] <savvas> check everything except backports
[11:45] <savvas> hm
[11:47] <savvas> edulix: have you configured it?
[11:48] <savvas> weird, it says my swap is not active, hm..
[11:50] <savvas> edulix: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=uswsusp&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[11:50] <savvas> it contains s2both and s2disk only
[11:51] <savvas> s2both combines the funtionalities of s2ram and s2disk and it's very useful when the battery is almost depleted. s2both write system snapshot to the swap (just like s2disk) but then put the machine into STR (just like s2ram). If the battery has enough power left you can quickly resume from STR, otherwise you can still resume from disk without loosing your work.
[11:52] <savvas> (that from http://suspend.sourceforge.net/intro.shtml)
[11:55] <savvas> hm.. weird, s2ram is in the souce
[11:56] <savvas> source even
[11:57] <_StefanS_> any news on ICH8/9 sound support in gutsy ?
[11:58] <vonHalenbach> hi
[11:58] <savvas> edulix: I'll file a bug if no one has filed it before me
[12:00] <vonHalenbach> Can it be, that ".png" files are connected with Mozilla Thunderbird instead of GQview? This is in xubuntu beta. updated yesterday. But it is also on the livecd like this.
[12:02] <eythian> OK, I've looked where I can think of for this X server restarting thing - any ideas?
[12:03] <vonHalenbach> the bug with the xfce panel?
[12:03] <eythian> No, when I log out, the X server restarts. This causes a significant problem with something else. I'd like the X server to keep running.
[12:03] <vonHalenbach> ok
[12:07] <nickren> so does gutsy have built in muli-monitor configuration
[12:07] <nickren> multi*(
[12:07] <eythian> nickren: in theory. It doesn't work with nvidia, and I couldn't make it work with nv either.
[12:08] <nickren> what about ati
[12:08] <eythian> I don't know about ATI
[12:09] <ikonia> the problem is the differecnce between propritary tools like twinview and xinerama in config
[12:09] <ikonia> quite hard to make "generic"
[12:09] <nickren> well both of those are useless anyway
[12:09] <ikonia> both are fine
[12:09] <eythian> does anyone here use twinview? If I could fix a problem with that I'm having, that would mean the X restarting thing isn't an issue.
[12:09] <nickren> one screen will have rendering and one won't
[12:10] <eythian> nickren: twinview gives both screens rendering
[12:10] <panosru> Hi, why there is no login screen on aMSN ??
[12:10] <ikonia> eythian I have used it before
[12:10] <ikonia> eythian nope
[12:10] <nickren> well, yes it does
[12:10] <ikonia> eythian: sorry
[12:10] <ikonia> wong person
[12:11] <nickren> but not for  ATI
[12:11] <ikonia> nickren it works fine on both screens
[12:11] <ikonia> nickren thats not twinview
[12:11] <nickren> its what bigdesktop
[12:11] <nickren> ?
[12:11] <eythian> ikonia: I have a problem where, when switching to twinview, gnome treats it like one big screen, and panels stretch the whole way across.
[12:12] <ikonia> eythian you need to change the twinview mode, you can have it as dual screen or a big desktop, or two desktops
[12:12] <eythian> ikonia: in feisty, when I log out and log in, gnome realises there are two screens and behaves properly.
[12:12] <ikonia> eythian sorry, should have let you finish, thought that was your roblem
[12:12] <eythian> ikonia: how do I do that? I'm on a laptop, so I use the nvidia-settings thing to do it.
[12:12] <ikonia> eythian ahhh nvidia-settings, in my opinion that too is no-usable as a generic tool. I change it in xorg
[12:13] <eythian> ikonia: there's two problems :) but if I can fix one, the other is not an issue.
[12:13] <eythian> ikonia: I'm on a laptop, and often switching between single and dual monitor.
[12:13] <FallenHitokiri> hi, can someone confirm that the current updates that are available since this morning (for gutsy) are not installing but throwing an while processing cups packages?
[12:13] <FallenHitokiri> exact error is: "E:/v/c/a/a/cupsys_1.3.2-ubuntu4_i386.deb: try to overwrote /u/s/d/libcupsys2/credits.txt that is in libcupsys2"
[12:13] <eythian> FallenHitokiri: see the topic
[12:13] <FallenHitokiri> eythian: thanks
[12:13] <ikonia> eythian I used to do that with a docking station, and got around it with an init script that did a dcc probe and a case statment so that depending on what info came back from dcc probe was what /etc/xorg.conf file was copied into place
[12:14] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: please run sudo apt-get update
[12:14] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: I'm doing this right now
[12:14] <gnomefreak> cupsys was fixed last night
[12:14] <ikonia> eythian: eg: I had xorg.conf.laptop xorg.conf.docked-work xorg.conf.docked-home and the script coped the correct one to /etc/xorg.conf
[12:14] <ikonia> eythian: ugly, but worked fine
[12:14] <gnomefreak> i havent seen if it hit all repos so im leaving it there
[12:14] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: thats strange. I ran update / upgrade this morning and it didn't work
[12:14] <eythian> ikonia: in feisty, after logout/login I could switch between single and dual quite happily, but in gutsy I can't logout without restarting X.
[12:14] <eythian> Hmm. I wonder if restarting just gnome would do it....
[12:15] <FallenHitokiri> still the same error
[12:15] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: about 8 hours ago the developer was working on it and within a few hours it hit some repos
[12:15] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: did you run --force-overwrite at any time yesterday?
[12:15] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: could it be possible that german mirrors didn't sync today?
[12:15] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: no
[12:15] <gnomefreak> fllet me see if i got it
[12:15] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: let me see if i got it
[12:16] <ikonia> eythian again, I just don't think nvidia-settings is a portable tool for multiple versions, distros etc etc.
[12:16] <eythian> FallenHitokiri: I'm using the .de mirror, I used dpkg -i --force-all to install it, and it seems to be happy now.
[12:16] <eythian> ikonia: yeah, I know. But it now isn't possible to do dual monitor in a useful way without having to restart and reconfigure X.
[12:16] <aantn> I get a white screen when booting from the live cd on a g5 ppc
[12:16] <eythian> if I could stop X restarting, the problem would go away :)
[12:17] <eythian> ikonia: actually, what's the X config to make it do dual monitor but see it as two monitors?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: bug 149188
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149188 in cupsys "[GUTSY BETA]  error when updating cupsys (dup-of: 149106)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149188
[12:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149106
[12:17] <ikonia> eythian look in xorg.conf and look at the modules under twinview I can't remember all the names
[12:17] <ikonia> eythian I'll see if I can find it in google if its not obvious on your card
[12:18] <ikonia> on your config sorry
[12:18] <gnomefreak> FallenHitokiri: if it doesnt work please reopen that bug give your full error set bug to incomplete please if you reopen it
[12:18] <aantn> any ideas anyone?
[12:18] <eythian> ikonia: I don't have a twinview reference in my config
[12:18] <FallenHitokiri> gnomefreak: okay I'll check this thanks
[12:20] <ikonia> eythian oooh drat, yes, nvidia-settings does it in memory I think
[12:20] <eythian> ikonia: yeah, I think it just talks to the driver
[12:21] <ikonia> eythian yup, I'm not sure how to do it with nvidia settings, sorry
[12:21] <eythian> ikonia: what I'm thinking is that if I put the appropriate option for twinview in the config, maybe it'll use that all the time and work.
[12:22] <eythian> ikonia: I also regularly switch between 3 different external monitors, which is why I like it to be dynamic.
[12:22] <Crozar> Pici: or anybody i have a problem
[12:23] <ikonia> eythian as far as I'm concerned, that functionality is not available with a tool and requires a custom script setup, which is an ugly work around
[12:23] <ikonia> Crozar just ask the question, rather than call someone out
[12:23] <eythian> ikonia: it is available with a tool, it just broke in gutsy :)
[12:23] <eythian> I used it great in feisty with no issues
[12:23] <ikonia> eythian the tool as far as I'm concerned is not usable
[12:25] <Crozar> when i burn a CD my drive's light flashes on and off for many seconds and its burning very well i see the buffer sequence is writing good in low speed then after its completed the cd drive ejects it i was happy until i put it back in and my drivers light flash's on an off to try to read it butt yet it cant read it keeps doing the sound trying to read psss prrr pss prrr pss prr
[12:25] <ikonia> Crozar thats normally a drive issue, I've had to swap drives out recently
[12:26] <Crozar> ikonia: on ubuntu 7.04 feisty i wrote 7.10 on a cd how did i update then?
[12:26] <Crozar> lo
[12:26] <ikonia> ?
[12:26] <ikonia> you updated before the drive broke ?
[12:26] <Crozar> i have burned cd's when i was on 7.04
[12:27] <Crozar> im on 7.10 now and this ismy problem
[12:27] <ikonia> try putting in paid for CD's such as a music cd
[12:27] <ikonia> see if it reads it
[12:27] <ikonia> Crozar the drive may well have died
[12:27] <Crozar> ikonia i tried a mini cd and i tried data files it works
[12:27] <eythian> Crozar: or that particular burn failed
[12:27] <Crozar> but for iso no.
[12:27] <Crozar> no failures
[12:28] <eythian> Crozar: did it do a verify pass?
[12:28] <Crozar> no because im on laptop the cd doesnt go back automaticly lo
[12:28] <Crozar> the driverr *
[12:29] <Crozar> i can try , but yet i have tried many things? should i try data ? and see if it writes on my imation cd?
[12:29] <Crozar> btw guys when i wrote my ubuntu 7.10 it was a sony CD - R =/ does this make a diffrence
[12:30] <Crozar> similar to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvdrtools/+bug/46966
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46966 in dvdrtools "Burning dvd succedes, but can't read disk afterwards" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Crozar: try a differnet cd and if you have another cdburner try that as well. what app did you use to burn the cd? to start with
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Crozar: your not burning dvd from what i read so that bug isnt even close to same as yours
[12:32] <Crozar> gnomefreak: im on laptop :( its my legend since 2001 final toshiba s801 satelite
[12:33] <Crozar> maybe that guy who burned dvd didnt try to burn an iso cd ;)
[12:33] <Crozar> testers check from all angles before claiming
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Crozar: dvd isnt the same as cd and dvdtools package means nothing for cds
[12:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what happens if you take the cd you burnt and insert it into the cdrom drive while still using ubuntu or windows or whatever you are on?
[12:37] <Crozar> this time i will try to write data cd and see
[12:37] <gnomefreak> not for an iso
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ISO you want burn cd image
[12:37] <Crozar> huh?
[12:37] <Crozar> i burned iso successfully through ubuntu 7.03 on the normal cd creator program
[12:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what ar eyou burning ubuntu gutsy ISO?
[12:38] <Crozar> yes
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Crozar: buring cd data isnt gonna help you in any way shape or form
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Crozar: it needs to be burnt asa a cd image
[12:38] <gnomefreak> burnt as a cd image
[12:38] <vonHalenbach> iso
[12:39] <Crozar> gnomefreak: if cd data works then means my drive is fine with the system but the system's buffer or something to do with SCIM XLAbblah problem
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Crozar: cd data isnt going to work
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Crozar: your pc will only boot a cd image
[12:39] <gnomefreak> or dvd image if you have a dvd drive
[12:39] <Crozar> i know , but i will burn just some pictures in a cd as data cs just to see if its ok
[12:39] <Crozar> no my driver is DVD ROM * cd r - rw
[12:40] <gnomefreak> oh i would have inserted cd that you already burnt to see if it copied the info to cd but feel free to do it that way
[12:40] <Crozar> i got 5 cd's i already burned
[12:40] <gnomefreak> are they desktop cd or alternate?
[12:41] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i got even a CD RW that i already burned and whenever i put it back it says the cd is empty lol what happened with all the flashes and fireworks while it was on process
[12:41] <ikonia> so even known good cd's are not working ?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> sounds like you are having permission issues
[12:41] <Crozar> imation cd's and 1 sony the sony cd i did on my ubuntu 7.03 that worked =/ u guessing it might be from cd's? but imation is good and this looks slick and a nice competition market for sony's products
[12:42] <gnomefreak> are you on wondows right now?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> windows*
[12:42] <Crozar> im on ubuntu gutsy
[12:42] <Crozar> i dont have windows my laptop is been reinvented for the real use of computing
[12:43] <Crozar> my imation mini cd worked when i tested data
[12:44] <Crozar> i can try these normal imation cd's to write on data and see if it will be readable from my drive .
[12:44] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what burn program are you using to burn <what are you trying to burn>
[12:44] <Crozar> actually right now iso
[12:44] <Crozar> i tried gnomebaker k3b and normal ubuntu default burner
[12:45] <gnomefreak> why an iso?
[12:45] <Crozar> ubuntu 6 edgy iso
[12:45] <Crozar> or ubuntu 7.10 gutsy iso
[12:45] <gnomefreak> normal ubuntu default im assuming you mean nautilus?
[12:45] <Crozar> maybe a windows 98 iso =/
[12:45] <Crozar> i mean cd/dvd creator
[12:46] <gnomefreak> from places menu?
[12:46] <Crozar> ya
[12:46] <gnomefreak> yes that is nautilus
[12:46] <Crozar> i tried that and k3b and gnomebaker
[12:46] <Crozar> you say its got to do with permisions?
[12:46] <Innomen> will the new ubuntu support broadcom/belkin cards hassle free?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> well its either a. drive is failing. b. your not buring it correctly. but you dont seem to be answering questions with best possible answers or trying to be a wise guy so have at it
[12:48] <Crozar> gnomefreak:  comon :( im losing hope
[12:49] <Crozar> ok i just burned a 20 mb file lets see if its readable
[12:51] <dan____> hello guys, i installed daily updated today, now i cant decipher my crypto partition anymore, i get "failed to setup dm-crypt key mappng" after entering the passphrase
[12:51] <Crozar> gnomefreak: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2212 1019 (/dev/scd0, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM]  [DVD-ROM, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW]  [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P, SAO/R96R, RAW/R96R] 
[12:51] <Crozar> i hear in some forums they change scd0 to scd1 ..? maybe for that purpose of my problem?
[12:51] <kyja_> love um
[12:52] <ikonia> Crozar is your 20 meg file readable
[12:52] <dan____> http://www.pastebin.org/4165   anyone can point me at the error?
[12:52] <Crozar> gnomefreak: !!!!! my data cd doesnt read aswell still making the flashes on an off my drive is trying to read but still psss prrrr psss prrrrrrrrr tik tik tik tik tik tik prrrrrrr tik tik tik tik again and again
[12:52] <Crozar> ikonia: ~! :(
[12:53] <ikonia> Crozar your drive is dead
[12:53] <Crozar> what!
[12:53] <Crozar> its 2001
[12:53] <ikonia> I'm not interested any more
[12:53] <Crozar> its a 2nd generation drive
[12:53] <Crozar> ikonia:  :( whyyyy
[12:53] <ikonia> failures happy
[12:53] <ikonia> happen
[12:53] <dan____> !bug
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[12:53] <Crozar> ikonia: what must i do? should i try to install windows and see if it can?
[12:54] <ikonia> Crozar I'm not interested
[12:54] <Crozar> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[12:54] <Crozar> how come!!! i left windows i thought this can be perfect!!!
[12:54] <hylje> haha
[12:54] <sc> I'm trying out the new gutsy. I have a problem with amarok. It keeps using 100% cpu while "Updating Collection...". It gets stuck at 91% and then starts over. Music is playing, but something seems wrong. Is this a known problem? If not, how do I investigate further?
[12:54] <Crozar> still have problems with networking , securities is up the bam and no utilities for eyecandy configuration ,  cd r rw drive problems and much things
[12:55] <Crozar> il goback to 7.04
[12:55] <ikonia> sc not seen or heard of that
[12:56] <ikonia> sc have a look through launchpad see if anything is logged
[12:56] <sc> ikonia: I did - nothing from what I saw.
[12:56] <ikonia> sc: log it then
[12:56] <ikonia> sounds a reasonable bug
[12:57] <Zoiks> i have a silly question that probably has the simplest answer about the pidgin install in gutsy
[12:57] <sc> ikonia: How log it? Don't want to sound stupid, but if it dosn't crash I have no idea of how to log it.
[12:57] <ikonia> sc I mean log the bug on launchpad, sorry
[12:57] <Crozar> ikonia and gnomefreak this is the problem bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37876
[12:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37876 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel does not read DVDs, no automount" [Medium,Invalid] 
[12:58] <ikonia> just repot what you've said here
[12:58] <ikonia> Crozar your not using that kernel
[12:58] <Crozar> this is the exact problem however hes expiriencing it with DVD
[12:58] <sc> ikonia: Ok, thanks.
[12:58] <Crozar> no but same exact situation trust me
[12:58] <ikonia> Crozar I don't, I'm not interested
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Crozar: you dont use that kernel so its not the same problem you are also not reading dvds
[12:58] <Zoiks> with the pidgin install in gutsy... the text box that you write in is very small vertically, if i drag it larger it just resets when I open a new chat window or close and reopen
[12:58] <Zoiks> any ideas?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> there is a differnece in both of those
[12:59] <Crozar> look! he says hen after it stops the DVD is not mounted. (( but i say hen after it stops the!!!!! CD !!!!is not mounted
[12:59] <ikonia> Zoiks look at default settings, see if you can change it
[01:00] <gnomefreak> Crozar: i suggest filing your own bug report. addin gto that one will not help you ignoring the issue will now help you complaining about it will not help you
[01:00] <gnomefreak> s/now/not
[01:00] <Crozar> !Bug
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[01:00] <gnomefreak> s/addin gto/adding to
[01:01] <Crozar> huh?
[01:01] <Crozar> gnomefreak: what ur saying?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> spelling mistakes
[01:01] <Crozar> of who?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> in short file a bug report.
[01:01] <gnomefreak> mine
[01:01] <Crozar> k
[01:01] <Zoiks> ikonia: i cannot see anything in preferences
[01:01] <ikonia> Zoiks: it may not exist
[01:02] <ikonia> rizhun it may resize on new window by default
[01:02] <ikonia> msn used to do that same
[01:02] <nickren> ikonia you still in here
[01:02] <ikonia> nickren yup
[01:02] <nickren> how long am i banned from ubuntu ircf
[01:02] <ikonia> nickren no idea
[01:03] <nickren> that don't have a ban limit or something
[01:03] <ikonia> nickren I suggest joining #ubuntu-ops with some humble pie as you where pretty rude
[01:03] <Zoiks> ikonia: so there is no way to edit it?
[01:04] <nickren> hey ubuntu irc is general. that means everything, just cause some freak doesn't want to see stuff about gutsy at 4:30am is no reason to ban
[01:04] <gnomefreak> nickren: take it to #ubuntu-ops
[01:04] <nickren> i mean i know i'm not banned forever.....dynamic ip address helps me on that but still
[01:05] <Tm_T> nickren: as said, ban discussions in #ubuntu-ops
[01:05] <nickren> wow, you people are really tight huh
[01:06] <Tm_T> =)
[01:06] <Zoiks> ouch
[01:06] <gnomefreak> sigh
[01:06] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: some likes it tight
[01:09] <kyja_> I seem to have to desktop menu items in places
[01:17] <wers> on gutsy, a dist upgrade dialog came out and that's the only way I  can upgrade.. any ideas why it is this way?
[01:24] <eythian> gaarg, that was a mission, but I now have good dual-monitor support back. And the solution was so easy!
[01:25] <eythian> I just needed to add 'Option "Twinview" "True"' to xorg.conf, and the driver automatically goes into twinview mode when another monitor is plugged in, and then gnome starts behaving itself. It's not 100% perfect, but equivalent to what I had before.
[01:25] <eythian> still requires an extra logout/login pass, but after that it works.
[01:25] <eythian> Hopefully this means I don't have to spend tomorrow rolling back to feisty.
[01:31] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i will try the cd's on my friends computer brb
[01:44] <phoenix_> hi, i have a problem while installing avm fritzcard driver http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15713/
[01:48] <pvandewyngaerde> servers down ?
[01:48] <pvandewyngaerde> /slow
[01:49] <ikonia> phoenix_ you've sparked my interest, what is a fritzcard
[01:50] <void^> looks like the driver needs to be updated to work with current kernel versions
[01:52] <void^> fcpci should be part of linux-restricted-modules though
[01:52] <ikonia> phoenix_ your missing some headers,
[01:54] <phoenix_> ikonia: http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZ_for_ISDN/FRITZ_Card_PCI/index.html this is the card
[01:55] <phoenix_> void^: linux-restricted-modules are installed
[01:56] <void^> you should have the fcpci module then, the object files are there. i can't really be sure though, i've disabled all modules i don't need.
[01:59] <bdgraue> any idea how to install it, how to solve the problems?
[02:00] <bdgraue> bdgraue: <--phoenix
[02:00] <bdgraue> ikonia, void^ any idea what i/phoenix can do?
[02:01] <ikonia> have you tried to modprobe for the module ?
[02:03] <phoenix_> ikonia: how can i do that?
[02:03] <phoenix_> sudo modrobe ...
[02:03] <ikonia> void^: what did you say the module was alled
[02:03] <phoenix_> +p
[02:05] <phoenix_> good question
[02:07] <phoenix_> capi?
[02:07] <void^> fcpci
[02:07] <phoenix_> $ sudo modprobe fcpci
[02:07] <phoenix_> FATAL: Error inserting fcpci (/lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/volatile/fcpci.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[02:08] <void^> well, see dmesg
[02:08] <phoenix_> [ 4877.646916]  fcpci: Unknown symbol pci_module_init
[02:08] <void^> time to file a bugreport ;)
[02:09] <phoenix_> hmm, btu what do i have to write in this bugreport?
[02:09] <phoenix_> what was the kernel-developer irc-channel?
[02:09] <void^> ah, bug 121978
[02:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121978 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Unknown symbol in module fcpci.ko" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121978
[02:10] <ikonia> that bug suggests its a dependant module not being loaded as a dependency rather than an incompatabiliy
[02:12] <phoenix_> so what can i do?
[02:12] <void^> it's a change in kernel module api, pci_module_init is deprecated
[02:13] <ikonia> void ah so it is a change not a dependency
[02:15] <phoenix_> ikonia, void^ what do i have toi do to get all working coorect?
[02:16] <elmargol> I can't find a way to overclock my cpu on linux :(
[02:17] <ikonia> phoenix_ need developer to fix it
[02:17] <void^> phoenix_: wait for the updated package, use an old kernel package, or recompile it yourself applying the patch..
[02:17] <ikonia> elmargol 1.) thats nothing to do with ubuntu or gusty 2.) its done at a hardware level
[02:17] <void^> i suggest waiting ;)
[02:17] <ikonia> wise
[02:18] <elmargol> ikonia: I did it on the bios. linux don't let me see the current clock speed (tells me the default one)
[02:18] <bdgraue> void^: any idea how long tim to wait?
[02:19] <ikonia> elmargol how are you checking, do you have speed step or apm enabled in ubuntu
[02:19] <savvas> elmargol: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:19] <elmargol> savvas: this shows me the default clock speed
[02:19] <ikonia> savvas that tells you the cpu's info - not the overclock
[02:19] <savvas> oh
[02:19] <savvas> then I'm out of this :)
[02:20] <elmargol> I'm looking at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[02:22] <jhaig> Just out of interest, what is the "Rebuild Test" that, according to the release schedule, happened yesterday?
[02:25] <slytherin> jhaig: I guess it is test of whether there are any build failures, dependency problems etc.
[02:25] <slytherin> jhaig: I think it usually happens when RC is close
[02:25] <jhaig> Well, apparently the RC is slated for 11th
[02:27] <slytherin> jhaig: 7 days prior to final release.
[02:29] <kadakas> how can I use multiple monitors on Gutsy ?
[02:29] <eythian> kadakas: what video card?
[02:30] <kadakas> NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300
[02:30] <eythian> kadakas: I use nvidia-settings to do it
[02:30] <kadakas> thx
[02:32] <savvas> ssb: hal-info ?
[02:35] <ssb> savvas, I'm talking about this: http://rafb.net/p/DJTZaU51.html
[02:36] <savvas> well.. in hal-info the readme says: hal-info contains device information for HAL.
[02:36] <savvas> but can't find the doc for the device manager either
[02:36] <ssb> and all the difference in size is due to missing /usr/share/doc/hal-device-manager
[02:38] <eythian> anyone noticed that totem seems to get the aspect ratio wrong for things?
[02:38] <ssb> ah, found it. -- /usr/share/doc/libhal1/changelog.Debian.gz, second item
[02:39] <ssb> probably some scripting bug which caused /usr/share/doc/hal to become empty dir instead of a symlink  after upgrade
[02:45] <bahamada> Hi. I have an Problem with ekiga. Incoming calls are not accepted
[02:45] <bahamada> outgoing works
[02:45] <bahamada> can anybody help me?
[02:46] <bahamada> this problem is present since i use ekiga
[02:46] <bahamada> but since gusty it doesn
[02:46] <bahamada> work anymore
[02:47] <tretle> when is the official realease of gutsy?
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> tretle: October 18th
[02:47] <bahamada> RC is 08th
[02:47] <tretle> hmmm
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> 8th? o_O
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> Wow, that's early.
[02:47] <Tomcat_`> But the current daily looks really good.
[02:47] <tretle> I noticed that the 64bit version didnt have the places menu in gnome issue resolved
[02:47] <knofi> well i have another problem... the appereance dialog (gnome) doesnt work properly...
[02:48] <jhaig> bahamada: The release schedule says 11th.  Do you have more recent information?
[02:48] <tretle> whereas the 32bit does
[02:48] <panosru> amsn does not work on 64bit gutsy system?
[02:48] <knofi> the first 1-3 seconds you can use it and then nothing works any more
[02:48] <Tomcat_`> jhaig: 11th is more realistic also, because it's Thursday. :)
[02:48] <tretle> desktop shows up twice in the places menu
[02:49] <Tomcat_`> tretle: I've had that as well today.
[02:49] <bahamada> jhaig: no but the current beta works fine ;)
[02:49] <Tomcat_`> tretle: But that was 32bit.
[02:49] <jhaig> Has there just been one beta?
[02:50] <tretle> iv had this problem opn gutsy since i installed the 64bit version
[02:51] <tretle> was using the 32bit version before that
[02:51] <bahamada> is there a ekiga support channel?
[02:51] <tretle> the documents and desktop folders used to show up twice on 32bit system on the early versions, but it got fixed a few weeks ago
[02:52] <kRush> not really
[02:53] <kRush> but you can disable the stupid script in gnome session startup that makes those entries
[02:53] <knofi> does anyone have problems with the appereance dialog?
[02:54] <tretle> if u ask me the places menu should be just as customizable as applications and system menu's, then you wouldn't have stuff like this top worry about
[02:54] <nox-Hand> Hey
[02:54] <nox-Hand> I seem to have a lot of console beeps (dos speaker beeps) in a lot of programs
[02:55] <savvas> nox-Hand: you can disable them in system prefs sound
[02:55] <nox-Hand> How can I get rid of it? I don't want it :P Pidgin does it, console does it, other apps do it, etc
[02:55] <nox-Hand> savvas: "Enable System beep" right?
[02:55] <savvas> yep
[02:55] <tretle> knofi.... no problems here
[02:55] <nox-Hand> savvas: It's off.
[02:56] <savvas> !
[02:56] <savvas> nox-Hand: try enable it, close and reopen sound and disable it
[02:56] <knofi> theres just one button working - the close button
[02:56] <nox-Hand> savvas: Done, still fails
[02:56] <nox-Hand> Also tried that before
[02:56] <savvas> nox-Hand: restarted pc?
[02:57] <savvas> or gdm for that matter
[02:57] <nox-Hand> Nope, not yet
[02:57] <nox-Hand> brb
[02:57] <savvas> try a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart it will kill your desktop manager
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> so
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> once again
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> is anyone else having problems with that update
[02:57] <Starcraftmazter> displayconfig-gtk
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> ?
[02:58] <savvas> what problem Starcraftmazter ? :)
[02:58] <riotkittie> odd. i'm missing icons. :|
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> in 7.10
[02:58] <roe> people have been busy, lots of updates today
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> today there were a bunch of updates
[02:58] <Starcraftmazter> the package, for one of them, appears to not exist on the server
[02:59] <Starcraftmazter> 404 error every time the update manager tries to retrieve it
[02:59] <savvas> try a different repository
[02:59] <Starcraftmazter> what ones are there for gutsy
[02:59] <Starcraftmazter> ?
[02:59] <savvas> where are you from?
[03:00] <Starcraftmazter> aus
[03:00] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:00] <nox-Hand> savvas: No effect :)
[03:00] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: are the links there http://au.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:00] <Starcraftmazter> indeed there are
[03:01] <savvas> nox-Hand: maybe you have to disable it on each app
[03:01] <savvas> nox-Hand: i know for pidgin that you can disable the sound, no idea for firefox
[03:01] <nox-Hand> I had no problem with it in Feisty though
[03:01] <savvas> nox-Hand: a bug report would be helpful to being fixed :)
[03:02] <nox-Hand> Hehe, yeah
[03:02] <kadakas> will a laptop usb light work with Ubuntu out-of-the-box ?
[03:03] <savvas> nox-Hand: did you install all the codecs btw? maybe they need codecs... also, try disabling ESD in the sound window
[03:03] <savvas> under "Sounds"
[03:04] <nox-Hand> Yup
[03:04] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: sorry, um.. click on Replace button, Search for: au.archive Replace with: uk.archive
[03:04] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: save and close
[03:05] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:05] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: it could be possible that the repositories are down, I gave you the UK ones to try
[03:06] <ReL1K> anyone getting some issues where it says "Waiting for headers" and doesn't move in apt?
[03:06] <savvas> kadakas: try the live cd :)
[03:06] <ReL1K> just started to move after 10 mins :P
[03:06] <LjL> ReL1K: type /topic
[03:07] <kadakas> i have gutsy installed atm and im thinking of bying a laptop light
[03:07] <ReL1K> darn it LjL I even looked before I asked that and skimmed right past that :P sorry
[03:07] <kadakas> but it says "windows" in all of their specs
[03:07] <savvas> ReL1K: the security.ubuntu.com i think, yes
[03:07] <LjL> yeah, security unfortunately is the only one that one can't change
[03:07] <savvas> ReL1K: mine waiteded about 15 seconds and finished
[03:07] <LjL> but it will work (probably) if you wait a while
[03:08] <ReL1K> its chucking along now
[03:08] <ReL1K> just sat at 0 for about 10 mins
[03:08] <savvas> happens :)
[03:08] <ReL1K> yepper :)
[03:08] <savvas> imagine some gazillions of replies :p
[03:08] <kadakas> for example: http://www.dicota.ee/en/products/accessories/Spot/
[03:08] <kadakas>  System requirements: Win 98, Win 98 SE, Win ME, Win 2000, Win XP
[03:08] <roe> what are the load implications for becoming a mirror?
[03:09] <LjL> roe: http://www.ubuntu.com/node/1282
[03:10] <eythian> kadakas: I expect that it requires no OS at all, just power through the USB port. I mean, noone supports win98 these days.
[03:10] <LjL> roe: http://www.ubuntu.com/node/1284 in particular
[03:10] <Starcraftmazter> savvas, something a bit weird is happening
[03:10] <kadakas> i'd like to turn it off at will
[03:10] <Starcraftmazter> after a reload of the reps, it claims there are 141 updates
[03:10] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: it should be downloading new packages from the new repositories
[03:10] <Starcraftmazter> however the versioning is the same
[03:10] <kadakas> eythian: but your logic is sound
[03:10] <kadakas> thank you
[03:11] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: maybe fixed versions
[03:11] <Starcraftmazter> the differences seem to be things like, "x.y.z.ubuntu2 to x.y.z.ubuntu3"
[03:11] <Starcraftmazter> what does that mean?
[03:11] <savvas> exactly, new/fixed stuff :)
[03:11] <penguincentral> hi
[03:11] <Starcraftmazter> :O
[03:11] <Shapeshifter> small question: I heard gutsy will include compiz-fusion. atm Im running feisty with amaranths repos for compiz-fusion. What do I have to do the day gutsy comes out to do a seamless update? Should I keep amaranths repos or should I disable them before upgrading to gutsy?
[03:11] <eythian> kadakas: I wouldn't be surprised if you can't even in windows
[03:11] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: maybe they made some packaging mistakes before and now they're fixed or.. better for that matter
[03:12] <nanonyme> indeed
[03:12] <Starcraftmazter> but why is it only on the UK repositories and not the Australian ones
[03:12] <nanonyme> .ubuntuX means changes by packagers, me thinks
[03:12] <gnomefreak> Shapeshifter: most likely nothing since amaranth is compiz maintainer in gutsy so he should have versioned everything correctly
[03:12] <savvas> Shapeshifter: since that wasn't in the official repos, you'll have to remove your compiz-fusion in order to work properly
[03:12] <Starcraftmazter> I...See
[03:13] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: yes those are our changes
[03:13] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: it takes a while for some repos to update their packages
[03:13] <Shapeshifter> savvas: remove it completely or just remove the repos?
[03:13] <roe> "can expect to use up to 400-500 megabits of bandwidth or more" last time I checked bandwidth is a rate not a scaler
[03:13] <gnomefreak> savvas: i trust that amaranth would have thought about upgrading
[03:13] <Starcraftmazter> savvas: I see, but so it's definately newer, and not country-specific or something like that
[03:14] <eythian> Starcraftmazter: I find the .nz repos to be behind often too, so I don't use them.
[03:14] <gnomefreak> all repos are slow
[03:14] <gnomefreak> all mirrors as well
[03:14] <Starcraftmazter> so which repos are the best?
[03:14] <savvas> Shapeshifter & gnomefreak: I've seen a dozen users, who had compiz-fusion, complaining while upgrading to beta, I hope they'll fix whatever caused that by then.
[03:14] <nanonyme> packaging is always the slowest part of software development
[03:15] <nanonyme> funnily
[03:15] <crdlb> savvas, are you sure they weren't using trevinho's repo?
[03:15] <eythian> Starcraftmazter: right now I'm using .de, because I can pull from that at 1Mb/s.
[03:15] <nanonyme> you'd think writing the actual code would be slower
[03:15] <savvas> crdlb: as I said no idea :) I did a format on my root partition
[03:15] <gnomefreak> savvas: i cant say what he did or not but knowing him as i do i would think he would make it simple upgrade however other extras that are in hte repos and not in gutsy will cause issues
[03:15] <savvas> clean and shiny :P
[03:15] <gnomefreak> crdlb: good thought ;)
[03:16] <Shapeshifter> gnomefreak: ah yeah, that's another question: will compiz-fusion from the official repos most likely lack some plugins or will it be the same as amaranths?
[03:16] <crdlb> Shapeshifter, it's the exact same packages
[03:16] <shockhead> hi, anyone else having lots of weird issues with the kdepim stuff in gutsy?
[03:16] <crdlb> as amaranth's repo
[03:17] <gnomefreak> Shapeshifter: dont know i havent used Amaranth's repo since beryl first came out
[03:17] <crdlb> just compiled for gutsy
[03:17] <Shapeshifter> crdlb: k thx, I'll just disable his repos then before upgrading as any updates will be included in the official repos from there on.
[03:17] <savvas> Shapeshifter: the new compiz has the a manager to configure the plugins manually, compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:17] <savvas> -the :P
[03:18] <Shapeshifter> sawas: yes well I'm already using it right now.
[03:18] <Shapeshifter> sawas: it's actually great ^^
[03:18] <savvas> then you're in the trend heh
[03:19] <MtJB> i am sorry to ask, but use what other mirrors?  is there a list?
[03:19] <Shapeshifter> sawas: I didn't know it was something "new". I used the beryl manager before and the tuxfamily repos I used before did also include the settings manager
[03:20] <savvas> Shapeshifter: new as in "in a new release" I believe it's the same thing if the repos are being updated properly
[03:22] <savvas> MtJB: system > admin > soft sources, the "download from" drop down menu contains some
[03:23] <savvas> MtJB: here's the list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[03:23] <Shapeshifter> thanks for the infos everyone
[03:24] <bazhang> Hi!
[03:25] <aLeSD> hi all
[03:25] <aLeSD> I noticed that compiz has a memory leak ... or something like that
[03:25] <ikonia> what maeks you think that?
[03:25] <ikonia> makes
[03:26] <aLeSD> if I use it for a long time (7 - 8 hours) I use all my memory
[03:26] <ikonia> that doesn't mean its compiz or x
[03:26] <MtJB> savvas:  thank you, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
[03:26] <ikonia> do you have anything better to back that statment up ?
[03:26] <gnomefreak> i do i do i do
[03:26] <aLeSD> and I when I change to metacity a large part of the memory is free
[03:26] <savvas> MtJB: glad to be of assistance :)
[03:26] <MtJB> :)
[03:26] <aLeSD> ikonia: yes it means
[03:27] <aLeSD> cause the memory is occupated gradually
[03:27] <gnomefreak> 3d uses alot more memory on a general basis than 2d ;)
[03:27] <ikonia> gnomefreak swine
[03:27] <gnomefreak> ;)
[03:27] <savvas> oink oink
[03:27] <ikonia> aLeSD ok - that doesn't prove a memeory leak, just more memory in use and changing a window manager releases it
[03:27] <aLeSD> and when I return back to metacity more or less 150MB will be free
[03:28] <ikonia> aLeSD that doesn't suggest a memory leak
[03:28] <aLeSD> ikonia: ok :) u right . But it's a problem no ?
[03:28] <ikonia> no
[03:28] <gnomefreak> aLeSD: i will tell you something that was patches uploaded is causing memory useage to be higher but i will not say its compiz because im not running it
[03:28] <ikonia> unless you can provide a little more puresasive
[03:28] <aLeSD> ikonia: well ... let me see
[03:29] <aLeSD> maybe u right ... maybe the problem are in the use of the shared memory by the graphic card
[03:29] <aLeSD> my nvidia
[03:29] <aLeSD> someone has a nvidia here ?
[03:30] <aLeSD> and use it with compiz ?
[03:30] <savvas> present!
[03:30] <gnomefreak> aLeSD: i was thinking nvidia drivers but there is something else there i cant pinpoint
[03:30] <savvas> no problems though
[03:30] <gnomefreak> aLeSD: yesterday was the worst i ever saw it and it seems to have gone now.
[03:30] <aLeSD> gnomefreak: if I use metacity I don't have the problem
[03:30] <ikonia> I'll have a prod when I get home tonight see what I can see
[03:31] <eythian> aLeSD: have you checked the usage of the process?
[03:31] <aLeSD> eythian: yes it seams normal
[03:31] <eythian> aLeSD: running 'top' and pressing shift-M might help pin it down too
[03:32] <ikonia> top is unrelisable
[03:32] <eythian> ikonia: yeah, but it's a useful pointer to get an idea.
[03:32] <aLeSD> ikonia: why is unrelisable ?
[03:32] <aLeSD> however I change to compiz now
[03:33] <eythian> aLeSD: it shows things like shared memory and so on too, which can be misleading.
[03:33] <ikonia> aLeSD just not an accurate tool too "generic"
[03:33] <aLeSD> ok
[03:34] <aLeSD> I need a pair of hours now
[03:34] <aLeSD> I will report later
[03:34] <aLeSD> bye
[03:34] <Starcraftmazter> ok, having a problem installing an update now
[03:34] <Starcraftmazter> "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2"
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Starcraftmazter: /topic
[03:34] <aLeSD> Starcraftmazter: reload the repository
[03:34] <Starcraftmazter> oic
[03:35] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: if those don't work, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:35] <aLeSD> ubuntu 7.10 is faster than 7.04
[03:35] <aLeSD> u go in the opposite sense of windows
[03:35] <roe> aLeSD, is it 6 faster?
[03:35] <ikonia> thats a pretty "generic" statment
[03:36] <ikonia> "its faster"
[03:36] <roe> actually it would it "it's faster" :)
[03:36] <NightBird> roe: sure, it's .6 faster.... I don't know what unit it is.... but it could be .6 faster somewhere
[03:36] <roe> NightBird, libraries of congress?
[03:36] <NightBird> roe: what?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> savvas: please dont advise people to use --force-* without giving them the warning that its unsupported, dangerous ect. ect. ect.
[03:38] <gnomefreak> savvas: some end user not knowing the differnece may see it run it and mess something up badly
[03:38] <roe> NightBird, I guess your aren't a /. reader...
[03:40] <NightBird> roe: I am, but I haven't read it today yet
[03:40] <savvas> :\
[03:40] <savvas> ok
[03:42] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea what does hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused for uid 1000.  that uid is my current user login.
[03:43] <fulat2k> btw, i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition
[03:44] <uga> !ntfs
[03:44] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:45] <fulat2k> uga: thx.  worked flawlessly in feisty though.
[03:45] <uga> fulat2k: have you set masks properly?=
[03:46] <uga> unfortunately I can't tell about gutsy+ntfs, since it's long time winders doesn't touch my boxes
[03:46] <fulat2k> uga: haven't touched anything... coz i thought it would work ootb for gutsy
[03:46] <fulat2k> :)
[03:46] <fulat2k> anyhow, guess i will have to do some manual configuring with ntfs-3g
[03:47] <uga> fulat2k: I suggest mkfs.reiserfs on that partition ;))
[03:47] <fulat2k> uga: i wish :)  but i can't fttb :P
[03:48] <uga> uhm... decode("fttb"); =)
[03:49] <uga> aLeSD: [15:35]  <aLeSD> ubuntu 7.10 is faster than 7.04
[03:49] <uga> aLeSD: are you sure it's not a placebo effect? =)
[03:50] <uga> they haven't even migrated to initng yet
[03:50] <uga> I'm pondering on testing it myself...
[03:50] <uga> worked like charm on gentoo
[03:50] <hjmills> ok, I read the topic this time and I don't see anything about the broken library problems I keep seeing - almost every gnome program seems to be effected (so far nautilus, gnome-session-manager, file-roller and evolution but I reckon I can crash more on demand) - does anybody have a fix for this or are other people just not feeling it?
[03:50] <aLeSD> uga: maybe
[03:50] <hjmills> uga, I used it back before dapper and it rocked but havn't touched it since then
[03:51] <uga> hjmills: I suggest you better ask in #ubuntu. People here don't use gnome apps, mostly
[03:51] <uga> ouch! sorry
[03:51] <uga> I thought I was in kubuntu ;)
[03:51] <uga> wrong chan :P
[03:51] <hjmills> uga, gonna say!!
[03:51] <uga> SORRY! =)
[03:51] <hjmills> uga, also they would hate me for asking there as its a problem with the devel release
[03:52] <uga> hjmills: sure, my bad. I thought I was in #kubuntu channel
[03:52] <hjmills> uga, tis ok, anybody else seeing the problems?
[03:53] <hjmills> I get it whenever something tries to access the filesystem (evolution when loading a diff email folder, nautilus when browsing, session-properties when I browse for a program to run etc)
[03:53] <uga> hjmills: did you get any backtrace? it might help the devels
[03:53] <hjmills> uga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file-roller/+bug/149399
[03:54] <hjmills> uga, all on there - thats for file roller but I have seen it all over the place today
[03:54] <uga> hjmills: I don't have permission to access that page, according to the thing
[03:54] <uga> hjmills: is it a security bug report?
[03:54] <hjmills> uga, no - just a standard bug report
[03:54] <uga> weird
[03:55] <uga> "Not allowed here Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.  You are logged in as uga."
[03:56] <hjmills> uga, looks like it is in libxml2 which was upgraded this morning
[03:56] <Crozar> gnomefreak: on my friends computer it works
[03:57] <holden> hi. is anyone using xchat 0.18? when I run xchat-gnome I get: "XChat CRITICAL *** default event text failed to build! Aborted (core dumped)"
[03:57] <bazhang> hi Crozar
[03:57] <Crozar> gnomefreak: so my laptop Burn's anything iso and data and still it cant read
[03:57] <Crozar> bazhang: hey .
[03:57] <Crozar> bazhang: do you need help?
[03:58] <hjmills> who do I need to contact to change the package a bug effects?
[03:59] <bazhang> Crozar: no, just saying hi.
[04:01] <hjmills> uga, is this better: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/149399
[04:01] <Crozar> WEIRD PROBLEM! my cd - r / rw ( DRIVE ) cant read what was burned.     [ 1stly i burned a cd either way ( music / data/ iso ) all have a completed successful burning process but after the eject i check for file integrity and my drive keeps flashes on and off making a sound prrrrrrrr tik tik tiktiktik tik tik prrrrr again adn again  and then no media mounted , its like im using windows 3.1 on next generation cd's :/ any help please
[04:01] <hjmills> uga, no ubotu tells me its not
[04:01] <uga> hjmills: I can't access it
[04:01] <hjmills> uga, how odd...
[04:01] <uga> they know I code kde ;)
[04:01] <uga> :P
[04:03] <hjmills> uga lol
[04:04] <uga> hjmills: I can access my own bug reports though
[04:04] <hjmills> uga, I'm wondering if that url is just for me somehow
[04:05] <uga> hjmills: that can happen if you set the bug to be hidden. Default for security bugs
[04:05] <hjmills> uga, I dont think its a security bug
[04:06] <uga> you're asked about that when reporting it
[04:06] <uga> ie, if it is, or if it's not
[04:06] <AboSamoor> network manager applet can't work properly, the error "no network devices have been found" ?!!!
[04:06] <bodzasfanta> hi
[04:07] <hjmills> AboSamoor, you need to install the drivers for your network card - look at the output from lspci to find info about the card
[04:07] <bodzasfanta> my ntfs harddrive do not automount. why?
[04:07] <bodzasfanta> partition
[04:07] <hjmills> uga, unless the tracking system decided it was security related
[04:07] <bodzasfanta> in 7.04 it was
[04:08] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, because the stable ntfs drivers are read only and writing support is improving fast but still not stable
[04:08] <AboSamoor> hjmills 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[04:08] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, i think the ubuntu guide tells you how to sort it
[04:08] <bodzasfanta> yes i know
[04:09] <bodzasfanta> but in 7.04 i just installed ntfs g3
[04:09] <bodzasfanta> and everything was okay
[04:09] <bodzasfanta> and i read somewhere that ntfs g3
[04:10] <hjmills> AboSamoor, you dual booting?
[04:10] <bodzasfanta> now part of the gutsy
[04:10] <aLeSD> is it possible that something that occupate memory isn't included in top output ?
[04:10] <AboSamoor> hjmills NO
[04:10] <bodzasfanta> its installed automatically
[04:10] <bodzasfanta> or not?
[04:10] <aLeSD> I mean the thing that occupate my memory isn't a process ... or isn't recognized by top
[04:11] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, then maybe you need to configure it - Ubuntu doesnt mount every partition automatically - I personally don't want my win xp partition mounted in Ubuntu
[04:11] <bodzasfanta> i see
[04:11] <hjmills> aLeSD, afaik thats not possible - it could be that you dont have permission to see the process or that you are not sorting by memory usage
[04:11] <bodzasfanta> hjmills, thanks!
[04:12] <aLeSD> hjmills: how to sort by memory ?
[04:12] <hjmills> aLeSD, use > and < to change the sort column
[04:13] <hjmills> aLeSD, I also recommend htop as a nicer alternative to top
[04:14] <hjmills> bodzasfanta, sure thing - as I said - ubuntu guide has the instructions
[04:16] <Pici> <3 htop
[04:16] <Aishiko> hi, after my last set of patches gusty became unstable, it locks up and no input can be done, I just used the live CD to unmount and scan/repair all the filesystems attached.
[04:16] <aLeSD> hjmills: but top see the ram used by the graphic card ?
[04:17] <aLeSD> I mean not the video ram
[04:17] <aLeSD> but the shared ram
[04:17] <Aishiko> I'd like to know if there is anything else I can do to repair the installation?  ANy help, suggestions, experience is greatly appreicated.
[04:17] <AboSamoor> what about the HAL, i got at the startup this message "HAL can not start [internal error] " ?
[04:17] <hjmills> aLeSD, doubt it - I think that is totally seperate and is handled by the bios so the OS (ubuntu) doesnt even see it
[04:17] <hjmills> AboSamoor, that could be to blame for no network support if it worked in the past
[04:18] <hjmills> Aishiko, when does it crash, have you submitted a bug report on it and what other info can you give us?
[04:19] <aLeSD> hjmills: I think there is a problem with the nvidia driver then
[04:19] <aLeSD> and the use of the shared memory
[04:20] <AboSamoor> hjmills i upgraded from feisty , and i can access the internet and IRC but the problem,the applet for network manager gives an error and HAL don't startup
[04:20] <aLeSD> cause no process occupates more memory than usual
[04:21] <hjmills> aLeSD, how come?
[04:21] <Aishiko> hjmills, umm no bug report as of yet because I have no other details then it would crash about 10-20 minutes after boot up and log in, I let the computer sit off for hours before rebooting, um lets see I tried the 2 other kernels and the same problem cropped up, I mean I'm not sure what is/was causing it
[04:21] <aLeSD> hjmills: give me a pair of hours more
[04:21] <aLeSD> to have some checks
[04:22] <hjmills> AboSamoor, oh, sorry, my bad - network manager depends on hal to work - fix hal and you are sorted - see if you can find a log file for hal or info about hal in the system log
[04:23] <hjmills> Aishiko, ok, what were you doing when it crashed and if you boot and login then leave it doing nothing does it still crash?
[04:23] <hjmills> aLeSD, ok, sure
[04:24] <Aishiko> hjmills: I was running ktorrent and then I tried not running it and it still happened.
[04:24] <Alp`> that upgrade messed up my system :(
[04:24] <Dr_willis> Alp`,  hearing that from several people today.
[04:24] <Dr_willis> I think i will wait a few days to upgrade next.
[04:24] <Alp`> Dr_willis: yeah, wait for the final
[04:24] <Alp`> compiz-fusion seems to be an older version now
[04:25] <Alp`> and if its load my screen turns black for 3 seconds
[04:25] <Alp`> *loading
[04:25] <Aishiko> but I have a good feeling that I might have fixed it by running a fsck on everything, first time I'd booted up and got my wallpaper and not an orange screen.
[04:25] <TunaTom> It has been said that in edgy+2, the sysv init scripts should be deprecated.
[04:25] <Dr_willis> Of course in a few days that HalfLifeOrangeBox edition will be out...  so everyone will be playing HL2:TF  then...
[04:25] <TunaTom> Still, I see no new upstart stuff popping up in /etc/event.d
[04:25] <TunaTom> I understand that deprecating stuff won't make new stuff magically appear,
[04:25] <TunaTom> but since I didn't see any news on that topic, I was wondering if
[04:25] <TunaTom> there was a plan in proactively replacing the old scripts
[04:26] <hjmills> Alp`, is it crashing when something accesses a folder? if so it is a bug in libxml and a fix is in the works
[04:26] <Alp`> hjmills: didnt realize a crash so far
[04:26] <Alp`> my sound is gone too
[04:27] <Alp`> never touch a running system....
[04:27] <Dr_willis> the definition of 'beta software' :)
[04:29] <Alp`> heard from many ppl that its good... my fault
[04:29] <danar> any issues with the latest updates?
[04:30] <hjmills> Aishiko, oh ok, odd - I don't know if kde apps use libxml2 much but that has known problems atm
[04:30] <savvas> Alp`: what upgrade messed it up?
[04:30] <Alp`> savvas: feisty -> gutsy
[04:30] <hjmills> Alp`, never touch a running system sounds like a mantra for no fun
[04:30] <Alp`> hjmills: well :D then lets have some fun... maybe you can help me to fix some things
[04:31] <Aishiko> hjmills: ahh OK, but would that cause a crash if nothing is running?
[04:31] <rothchild> if it ain't broke fix it 'till it is ;-)
[04:31] <hjmills> Alp`, sounds fun
[04:31] <hjmills> Aishiko, if nothing is running the computer is off, if something is running the computer can crash!
[04:32] <Alp`> well ok, lets begin with nvidia drivers. they're working but i dont know if i have the right one installed. atm its nvidia-glx-new (geforce 8800 gts), but everytime when i start compiz i get a 3-second-blank-screen
[04:32] <hjmills> Alp`, does compiz come up after that?
[04:32] <Aishiko> hjmills: well yeah, but I meant no user actived applications just he basics on boot up running :P
[04:32] <Alp`> you mean, starting compiz comes after starting the driver? or what?
[04:33] <hjmills> Alp`, after that 3 second blank does it continue and work okay?
[04:33] <Alp`> ah ok sry :) yes it works after that
[04:34] <Aishiko> hmmm my windows are funky now... and a I have the size of my files on my desktop under neath the names that's never happened before
[04:34] <hjmills> Alp`, I get a similar delay - did you get any delay before the update?
[04:35] <Alp`> hjmills: nope, thats a completly new effect. maybe i had different drivers before... well i'm pretty sure i did. because i used envy to install nvidia drivers (restricted ones i guess)
[04:36] <hjmills> oh ok - I'm not sure on that one - is the delay causing problems? Probably best to wait till envy makes some drivers for gutsy when gutsy goes stable
[04:36] <AboSamoor> hjmills is there any command the status for network or the HAL ?
[04:38] <hjmills> uga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/149399 that one work?
[04:38] <kadakas> after todays upgrades gdm wont start
[04:39] <kadakas> xorg.conf seems to be messed up
[04:39] <hjmills> AboSamoor, sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart maybe?
[04:39] <kadakas> after 1 hour of screwing around i finally managed to get 800x600
[04:39] <uga> hjmills: neither
[04:39] <KevlarSoul> Is there a problem with GG beta not working with 8800 GTX ????
[04:40] <hjmills> kadakas, can you restore xorg.conf from a backup, fix it manually or pastebin the logfile (in /var/log/)
[04:40] <KevlarSoul> I boot to CD and click Install, and get a black screen
[04:40] <hjmills> uga, oh well, muchos oddos
[04:40] <kadakas> i cant use a backup because the old ones dont work either (they worked before)
[04:40] <kadakas> i dont know what to fix
[04:40] <kadakas> ill paste both to pastebin
[04:40] <kadakas> sec..
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Gutsy Install worked with my 8800GTSxxx
[04:41] <Aishiko> I think it's fixed, looks like it just needed an fsck on all the drives
[04:42] <Dr_willis> I did have to install the nvidia drivers from the repos (using restircted-manager tool) after i installed.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> for it to work properly however.
[04:45] <hjmills> Aishiko, oh good - nice one
[04:45] <AboSamoor> hjmills nothing changed after running   sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart :(
[04:45] <abonilla> Hi, how safe is it to upgrade to gutsy?
[04:45] <Aishiko> hjmills: yeah I was merely getting Ideas on other things I could do if it still crashes
[04:45] <AboSamoor> abonilla till now it's wasting for time
[04:46] <hjmills> AboSamoor, have a look at the log files in /var/log
[04:46] <abonilla> AboSamoor: how is that 15 days before release?
[04:47] <Aishiko> abonilla: I've been running it for over a month and my only big issue was I needed to fsck everythign do to some unstablity after the last patches it seems fine now but I have a few minor glitches (missing hte set of control in hte upper right)
[04:47] <kadakas> hjmills: heres my current xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f15ce39e6
[04:47] <kadakas> and the newest xorg log named Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f3bf5103a
[04:47] <hjmills> AboSamoor, in particular at system, messages, user and daemon
[04:47] <Alp`> Dr_willis: how does the restricted manager work?
[04:47] <AboSamoor> abonilla , i upgraded from feisty dbus and hal services are unstable i lost the scanner detection and many other crashes :(
[04:47] <hjmills> kadakas, what card you got?
[04:48] <kadakas> Nvidia Geforce Go 7
[04:48] <Dr_willis> Alp`,  run it.. click on it.. it looks around.. ya check what to install.. it does it. :)
[04:48] <hjmills> kadakas, you cant get good res on vesa - it is a failsafe driver
[04:48] <abonilla> AboSamoor: ok
[04:48] <Dr_willis> It even grabbed the wireless firmware for my laptop
[04:48] <hjmills> kadakas, install nvidia-glx and run nvidia-glx-config enable as root - that should fix it
[04:49] <Alp`> Dr_willis: it says: nvidia graphics card -> in use (cannot make anything there but deactivating the driver)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> could be its allredy got it.
[04:49] <Alp`> Dr_willis: should i deactivate and activate again?
[04:49] <KevlarSoul> Dr_willis DID you use 64 bit?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> see what 'driver' is listed in the xorg.conf
[04:49] <Dr_willis> i do NOT use 64bit.
[04:49] <Alp`> Dr_willis: its nvidia
[04:50] <Dr_willis> Alp`,  then it seems youa re usign the 'nvidia' driver. :) not the 'nv' one.
[04:50] <kadakas> hjmills: thx, ill give it a shot :)
[04:50] <Alp`> yep
[04:50] <Dr_willis> I always remove the 'nologo' line. I want to see the nvidia logo when X starts up. It tells me that yes.. its working.
[04:51] <Alp`> heh, yeah. restart
[04:51] <bazhang> hi Alp`
[04:51] <Alp`> hey bazhang brb
[04:59] <rustlerharv> so i tried to upgrade to gutsy and now im getting a blue screen whenever i try to login
[04:59] <rustlerharv> any ideas
[05:01] <savvas> rustlerharv: a blue screen saying about X.org ?
[05:02] <bazhang> rustlerharv: did you first get into the liveCD with no problems?
[05:02] <zerwas> Hi
[05:02] <bazhang> Hi zerwas
[05:02] <zerwas> Is a Gutsy wallpaper already defined?
[05:02] <macogw> wow found a very annoying bug
[05:02] <macogw> zerwas: yes and it's pretty like chocolate frosting on a cupcake
[05:02] <bazhang> macogw: what?
[05:03] <macogw> go into open office
[05:03] <macogw> click on a frame
[05:03] <macogw> and go to its properties
[05:03] <macogw> click the macro tab
[05:03] <zerwas> macogw, oh so you mean the very dark one that was in Tribe 5 also
[05:04] <bazhang> macogw: wow, I see what you mean.  but thats o.o, right?
[05:04] <macogw> it tells you that the JRE is defective and to change it.  there's an OK button, but you don't get a chance to change it because you can't click elsewhere while the error is up and it comes back immediately
[05:04] <rustlerharv> the blue screen is blank and i upgraded from fiesty
[05:04] <macogw> yeah that's OOo
[05:04] <macogw> zerwas: im glad there's finally a dark one by default
[05:04] <bazhang> rustlerharv: you did an upgrade from the package manager, or through a fresh install?
[05:04] <rustlerharv> through apt-get
[05:05] <bazhang> which card and driver?
[05:05] <rustlerharv> ?
[05:06] <bazhang> rustlerharv: which video card?
[05:06] <rustlerharv> nvidia
[05:06] <rustlerharv> using nvidia;'s driver
[05:07] <rustlerharv> unfortenetly im not by the computer in trouble
[05:07] <frank81> I haven't been able to have dual screens and have compiz work at the same time. (Ubuntu with Nvidia FX5500) Anyone has this working?
[05:07] <zerwas> macogw, it looks a bit like the one from warty. the colours i mean..
[05:08] <rustlerharv> compiz gave me issues
[05:08] <macogw> zerwas: it actually still has warty's name, but since i used warty's background as the background on the mac i was using over the summer, i *know* it's different
[05:08] <macogw> zerwas: that one, according to my cousin/boss, looks like chocolate mousse
[05:08] <zerwas> yep. i somehow hoped this would make it into gutsy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Gutsy/Wallpaper
[05:09] <zerwas> macogw, hehe you are right with that
[05:10] <Dr_willis> frank81,  its working here. (or it was yesterday) :) not sure about the updates.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> frank81,  8800gtsxxx card.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I installed, enbled the nvidia drivers with the restircted manager, then ran the nvidia-config tool. THEN i  restarted X. (it needed  a restart to work propeerly)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Had wobbly windows on both monitors. :)
[05:12] <Starcraftmazter> those 141 fixed a hella lots bugs
[05:12] <Starcraftmazter> howeverrr compiz and workspaces still aren't integrated=/
[05:12] <frank81> Dr_willis: do you have xinerama enabled? I didn't touch the nvidia-config tool (yet). Just the X configuration dialgo
[05:12] <Starcraftmazter> rotation of cube, doesnt seem to change workspace
[05:12] <rustlerharv> nvidia-config is garbage
[05:13] <Dr_willis> frank81,  xinerama is NOT comaptiable with compiz
[05:13] <rustlerharv> it never did do what i told it to do
[05:13] <Dr_willis> The X config dialog would NOt enable my 2nd monitor. it dident even see it.
[05:13] <rustlerharv> i just went in and changed the x config
[05:13] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.ca/726840         is my xorg.conf
[05:14] <Dr_willis> I updated last night.. now am afraid to reboot.. :) heh heh
[05:14] <Aishiko_> OK it took it longer to crash then last time and the windows are still messed up :(
[05:14] <savvas> Starcraftmazter: you need the compiz manager package: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[05:14] <Starcraftmazter> I've already got it ;)
[05:15] <macogw> Starcraftmazter: ps -ef | grep compiz
[05:15] <bazhang> compizconfig settings manager
[05:15] <savvas>  well... you have the shortcut keys there
[05:15] <macogw> Starcraftmazter: is "gconf" one of the options listed with it?
[05:15] <macogw> if it is, it might be blocking the ccsm settings.  if you start it with just ccp, they'll work
[05:15] <bazhang> alt + f2 compiz --replace &
[05:15] <Starcraftmazter> doesn't look like it
[05:15] <macogw> ok
[05:15] <macogw> is ccp showing?
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> yes
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> ps -ef | grep compiz
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> oop[s
[05:16] <macogw> k then idk
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> :D
[05:16] <Starcraftmazter> one of these days ill figure it out
[05:16] <frank81> Dr_willis: ok. hmm I could enable the 2nd monitor with the x config dialog. This dialog has no option for xinerama. But when I go to the nvidia config menu, I see that xinerama WAS enabled.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> The x config dialiog did not see my 2nd monitor at all. so i dont use it..  i only used that nvidia config tool.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> ption         "Xinerama" "0"    - Xinerama is OFF. i belive. in my xorg.conf
[05:18] <rustlerharv> Dr_willis: did it not list it as a monitor on the left
[05:18] <rustlerharv> on my computer it kept putting my second monitor behind the first one
[05:18] <Dr_willis> rustlerharv,  the X config tool. showed One monitor. thats it..  the nvidia config tool showed both of them. I enabled the 2nd one. which was allready in the proper position.
[05:19] <rustlerharv> k
[05:19] <Dr_willis> the apply (or whatever button) then turned it on (with no ned to restart X) but the window manager was still confused. I had to do a total 'restart of X' for the programs to figure it out.
[05:19] <macogw> bazhang: should probably ask someone using an rpm-based distro if that bug's in their OOo
[05:19] <rustlerharv> the config tool just gave me huge problems
[05:19] <Dr_willis> even then the gnome and kde panels showed up on the wrong monitor by default. Had to drag them over.
[05:19] <macogw> bazhang: i say rpm because it could have been from a debian patch
[05:20] <bazhang> macogw: ok; my bad.
[05:20] <rustlerharv> ya it kept making my number 2 monitor my number 1
[05:21] <macogw> bazhang: well when you consider that each distro tends to fiddle with things, i think it's best to ask someone using a different distro. there could be debian and ubuntu patches messing with it.
[05:21] <Aishiko> dpkg --configure -a I got this trying to run sypatic is this a major error?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> part of this is how the nvidia cards default  i belive. i have older cards that work differently. :(
[05:21] <Dr_willis> a least now i got GDM and the console on the proper monitor
[05:22] <Dr_willis> I got a whole 2nd monitor with.. conky running onit.. :) thats about it . heh.
[05:22] <bazhang> macogw: I'll go over to #Suse; first have to change my nick to MS-SUSE though.
[05:22] <Instabin> oh no i just did an update that requires a restart... wish me luck
[05:22] <Aishiko> it was saying to run that command manually
[05:22] <macogw> bazhang: hhaha ok
[05:22] <Dr_willis> i need to restart also.. bbl
[05:23] <Instabin> bazhang: That is going to be Microsofts next os after they figure out that vista has faild
[05:23] <bazhang> Instabin: hahahha
[05:24] <Aishiko> OK it said I had errors in scrollkeeper, nautilus-data, synapatic, gnome-panel, gonme-panel-data, and gnome-app-install
[05:24] <bazhang> macogw: what would be a good way to summarize the bug? Macro bug in OO excel?
[05:24] <macogw> bazhang: that was in writer
[05:24] <Aishiko> sounds like I need to reinstall those huh?
[05:24] <Instabin> bazhang: it will also have backwards compatibility b/c of wine
[05:24] <bazhang> macogw: macro bug in OO?
[05:25] <bazhang> Instabin: and inter-operability...
[05:25] <Instabin> lol
[05:25] <macogw> bazhang: "the macro tab in "properties" on elements brings up a stream of JRE errors on ubuntu.  can someone check if this happens on suse as well?"
[05:25] <macogw> bazhang: point out that its 2.3
[05:26] <bazhang> macogw: okey dokey!
[05:26] <macogw> bazhang: know what's funny?  it's complaining because i use *real* Sun Java
[05:26] <macogw> it said im using a broken Java
[05:27] <Instabin> lol
[05:27] <macogw> but i think it might be because OOo is built against GCJ
[05:27] <bazhang> macogw: hahaha
[05:27] <Aishiko> OK I'm reinstalling those errored packages/apps
[05:28] <bazhang> opensuse.org is down!
[05:29] <macogw> i would, however, like it if there was a way to put in a macro that would automagically take any text marked "Times New Roman" and convert it to Liberation Serif, and "Arial" to Liberation Sans because I don't have TNR or Arial installed and that results in it trying to approximate from info inside the .doc, and the formatting gets messed up.  turning it into the liberation fonts fixes all the layout stuff
[05:30] <macogw> i intentionally removed msttcorefonts
[05:30] <macogw> i'm trying to get rid of non-free things when i can
[05:30] <macogw> when i get a new digital audio player that i can rockbox, i'm getting rid of the mp3 codecs
[05:30] <bazhang> macogw: music in .ogg?
[05:31] <macogw> my current player is un-rockbox-able :(
[05:31] <macogw> i have my music ripped to both
[05:31] <macogw> i only play the oggs on my computer.  the mp3's are just for the mp3 player :P
[05:31] <bazhang> cool.
[05:32] <bazhang> no answer yet at #suse
[05:32] <bazhang> macogw: from the suse mod: What do you mean with "elements" - say where you click & I'try it here
[05:32] <bazhang> properties?
[05:33] <macogw> bazhang: make a frame and go to its properties
[05:33] <macogw> bazhang: ill check it might happen with tables and other stuff too
[05:33] <bazhang> macogw: cool
[05:34] <macogw> oh table doesnt have a macro option
[05:35] <macogw> ok idk what all has macro options, but i found it on a frame
[05:35] <bazhang> macogw: from the suse guy:  I made a frame, double clicked on it and then choose the Makro tab - works fine here
[05:35] <bazhang> macogw: so you were right.
[05:36] <macogw> bazhang: ask if he has sun or gcj java set in his options
[05:37] <bazhang> macogw: checking...
[05:38] <bazhang> macogw: from the suse guy: Sun 1.5 - Don't use gcj for OO, there where problems before
[05:40] <macogw> bazhang: ok. i'm using sun 1.6.  which are you using?
[05:42] <Aishiko> reinstalling those packages and a reboot and things look good
[05:45] <Aishiko> nautilus and gnome packages giving back errors, I'm not sure but I think those could cause the unstablity
[05:51] <Almindor> ah cool fixed cupsys is on the way, good :)
[05:52] <macogw> er...fixed cupsys went through last night around 11
[05:54] <macogw> bazhang: still around??
[06:00] <Alp`> how can i change the login screen? i dont mean the wallpaper. first i want a new look... maybe the one from feisty, the new login manager if gutsy looks terrible
[06:00] <Alp`> and the resolution is too less too.. i want 1600x1200 like my desktop res
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. had 8 updates in the time it took me to reboot and log back in.. and now it wants a reboot again. heh.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> The updated dident even sem tobe for anything that needed a reboot either.
[06:20] <delight> I got this ongoing error for about 2 weeks and I'm wondering if other ppl gut it too. On my gutsy I got kde (kubuntu-desktop) additional installed but the setting menus remain empty ... kcontrol throws me a warning:kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
[06:21] <delight> so all kde-settings dialogs either don't appear or remain empty
[06:21] <delight> anybody else who got similiar problems ?
[06:23] <Creationist> Running Kubuntu Gutsy... for some reason, WHen I try to use Dolphin to browse to Storage Media it just hangs there... doesn't display anything (the status bar for "Loading directory" is stuck at 0%)
[06:24] <Creationist> Also, nothing is being auto-mounted anymore.
[06:27] <Creationist> hmm.... same problem after a complete restart.
[06:27] <Creationist> I haven't installed any system packages that should have affected this.
[06:27] <Creationist> lol and now Amarok has decided to commit suicide and not return too.  Man, and they expect Gutsy to be stable this month?
[06:28] <Creationist> grr
[06:29] <Dr_willis> They could always delay it.
[06:29] <Creationist> usser: You've helped me before.  Any idea why I can't mount any devices and Dolphin just hangs when trying to browse to Storage Media?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> perfectly stable here...
[06:29] <Hobbsee> config thing?
[06:29] <Creationist> Hobbsee: I don't know... this same exact problem has come and gone before.
[06:29] <Creationist> Hobbsee: With or without installing new software.  Last time just restarting my computer fixed it, but not this time.
[06:29] <usser> Creationist did u try running dolphin from console any particular error messages that it gives?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> can konqueror get to the storage media place?
[06:30] <Creationist> usser: Throws a few of these errors: kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype system not found
[06:30] <Dr_willis> is it tryign to get to media:// ? or system://media, or somewhere else?
[06:31] <Creationist> Dr_willis: No, Konqueror shows 0 files.
[06:31] <Eq|work> this with an external drive? usb/firewire type thing?
[06:31] <Creationist> Dr_willis: Dolphin goes to system:/media/    Konq goes to media:/
[06:31] <usser> Creationist what exactly doesnt it mount like a cd?
[06:32] <Creationist> usser: I can't mount CDs either.
[06:32] <savvas> 4~/quit
[06:32] <savvas> oops
[06:32] <penguin42> Has anyone else seen soundjuicer not pop up on an audio cd insert? It did for the first CD I ripped but when I put the next one in it didn't
[06:32] <Creationist> Right now I'm trying to mount my digital camcorder... but nothing will mount.
[06:32] <[Ramy] > CD ROM icon does not appear and i can't access my CDs , how i can solve that ?
[06:32] <Eq|work> Creationist : manually, or using automounter
[06:32] <Eq|work> hm.. have you just updated?
[06:32] <Creationist> Eq|work: Just the automounter.  It worked yesterday and nothing has changed
[06:33] <usser> Creationist well i really have no idea, i'd try to manually mount things
[06:33] <Eq|work> can you mount it manually?
[06:33] <Eq|work> penguin42 : they're entirely different (and unrelated) apps...
[06:34] <Eq|work> and one shouldn't expect the other to be installed..
[06:34] <Creationist> How do I find out what device it is in /dev?  dmesg shows it connecting, but doesn't mention a device name.
[06:34] <Eq|work> no device name at all? that'd be bad.
[06:34] <Eq|work> have you done any updates since yesterday?
[06:34] <Eq|work> at all
[06:34] <Creationist> Eq|work: usb 5-2.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
[06:35] <Creationist> Eq|work: Not that I remember, no.  I think the last time I ran updates was yesterday morning.
[06:35] <penguin42> Eq|work: But the effect is that on the default install they don't work together nicely; even though Soundjuicer is set up as the default behaviour on insert of an audio CD
[06:35] <Eq|work> i fail to see how one being the default would (or should) affect the other
[06:35] <penguin42> Eq|work: Because the system as a whole should work nicely not just individual apps
[06:35] <Eq|work> if you're running rhythymbox, i also fail to see why it should talk to soundjuicer
[06:36] <Eq|work> in what way are they not working together nicely?
[06:36] <Eq|work> unless they're breaking each other, i fail to see any issue
[06:37] <dv____> hello,
[06:37] <RichW> cupsys seems to conflict with libcupsys2
[06:37] <RichW> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[06:37] <Pici> RichW: See the topic
[06:37] <dv____> I have a slight problem here, setting up a PC for my sis,
[06:37] <dv____> but its oct 5th, and gutsy is out on oct 13th
[06:37] <RichW> tnx
[06:37] <dv____> I am thinking about installing the gutsy beta,
[06:37] <dv____> and apt-get update it once gutsy final is out
[06:38] <dv____> however, how safe is this? can I upgrade without problems from beta to release?
[06:38] <Pici> 18th
[06:38] <Creationist> dv____: Better than installing it twice.. but be warned Gutsy is far from stable.
[06:38] <RichW> dv____: please use the gui updater.. its more intelligent
[06:38] <Dr_willis> i always forget about the GUI updater..
[06:38] <Dr_willis> whats it called..
[06:38] <dv____> synaptic?
[06:38] <RichW> Update Manager
[06:38] <Creationist> Dr_willis: KHeadache?
[06:38] <penguin42> Eq|work: OK where should I start; 1) When you rip a CD with soundjuicer the library doesn't update properly in rhythymbox if you put it on watch for new files; 2) When you put in a new CD where there are multiple possible names found in the CD database you sometimes get dialogues from both of them popping up at about the same time (both of them having separately queried what CD it is); 3) The ripping mechanism in Rhythymbox is pretty minimal and would
[06:38] <penguin42>  probably be better using synaptic if available
[06:39] <penguin42> synaptic?
[06:39] <penguin42> soundjuicer
[06:39] <Creationist> grr... I need these videos off my camera.  worked two days ago...
[06:39] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  heh. boot live cd. copy files over.. reboot to system
[06:40] <Eq|work> penguin42 : they're unconnected projects, so 3) wll never happen. 2) - don't have both running. close rhythymbox or disable it's watching of cd's. 1) raise a bug upstream against rhythymbox once you determine it isn't just how you're using it
[06:40] <Dr_willis> been doing that a bit too much lately with Gutsy. :)
[06:40] <Eq|work> in what way does it not update the library properly?
[06:40] <dv____> ok,
[06:40] <Creationist> Dr_willis: lol well that's intuitive ;)
[06:40] <Creationist> But I guess I'll do what I must since I got too impatient and installed the Beta ;)
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  thats the price we pay for using Beta software. :)
[06:41] <dv____> the question is: can there be changes/bugfixes/etc. from beta to release that cannot be inserted in the package dist upgrade process?
[06:41] <penguin42> Eq|work: It's not reasonable to have to want to stop your player to rip a new CD!
[06:41] <dv____> some deep architecture changes or something like that
[06:41] <Dr_willis> dv____,  shouldnet be any problem. thats normally how I do my installs on new releases.
[06:41] <dv____> ok
[06:41] <Creationist> alrighty... I'll do that.  However, when I boot the LiveCD, will I have write permissions to my home folder?
[06:41] <Eq|work> penguin42 : it is if you have your player set to watch for media changes in all removable devices.
[06:41] <Dr_willis> of course right NOW at this time.. thers all tehse little pakcage update issues going on.
[06:41] <penguin42> Eq|work: It's the default ubuntu setup
[06:42] <Dr_willis> so if it works. it might be best to not upgrade every day.. but wait  and upgrade like right after it gets released
[06:42] <Eq|work> i can't agree that the issue is ubuntu specific or even related to ubuntu however
[06:42] <VousDeux> whoa...no updates...what's going on?
[06:42] <Eq|work> just because it SUPPLIES multiple audioplayers/rippers doesn't mean you should use them all
[06:42] <savvas> can someone confirm this: while running gnome-terminal, hit F11 to use the terminal in fullscreen (F11 takes you back). Do you get a fullscreen, but with no output? as in.. completely empty?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  i reboot and get more udates. :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> savvas,  it works fine here.
[06:43] <Creationist> Oh great, I didn't label my Kubuntu LiveCD... and without the ability to MOUNT the cd... I have no idea which one it is ;)
[06:43] <penguin42> Eq|work: As for the file import; I think there is a race where as soundjuicer rips a file to the library and rhtythymbox (if set to watch for new files) spots it before it is finished
[06:43] <VousDeux> I see...the topic explains it.
[06:43] <Dr_willis> savvas,  try disabling compiz - see if it works then.
[06:43] <savvas> Dr_willis: do you use compiz?
[06:43] <frank81> why doesn't kubuntu-dektop depend on konversation and kopete etc. I installed the gustu ubuntu beta the installed kubuntu-desktop but some applications are still missing.
[06:43] <savvas> heh
[06:43] <Eq|work> penguin42 : again, down to your usage pattern
[06:43] <Dr_willis> savvas,  ive found a lot of little issues with compiz
[06:43] <penguin42> Eq|work: Is my usage pattern unusual?
[06:43] <Eq|work> for reference, with similar apps you would get the exact same issues in windows
[06:43] <Creationist> Dr_willis: That's a question I've had... how DO I disable Compiz?   Running kwin --replace loses my window decorations.
[06:43] <Eq|work> frankly, yes.
[06:43] <penguin42> it is why?
[06:44] <savvas> aye, it fixes it
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  i dont use compiz under kde sorry. :) under gnome - thers a button under desktop properties..
[06:44] <Creationist> Dr_willis: Yeah, I know there is in gnome...
[06:44] <Eq|work> because you've not changed the options in several of the apps to avoid the issues. like telling rhythymbox to not look for changes with cd media
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  you are running gnome-terminl under KDE?
[06:44] <Eq|work> or ripping to a location outside of the file monitoring
[06:44] <Creationist> Dr_willis: No, I run konsole.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Try that Yakuake yet? :)
[06:45] <Dr_willis> or whatever its called.
[06:45] <Eq|work> has better multi-tab support
[06:45] <penguin42> Eq|work: It's the default setup that Ubuntu gives a user that installs
[06:45] <Dr_willis> !find yakuake
[06:45] <ubotu> Found: yakuake
[06:45] <Eq|work> yes
[06:45] <Eq|work> designed for you to use one at a time
[06:45] <Eq|work> or one or the other
[06:45] <penguin42> No!
[06:45] <Eq|work> yes
[06:45] <Dr_willis> oh yea.. is there a 'katapult' type tool for gnome?
[06:46] <Eq|work> it's called "configure it yourself!"
[06:46] <Creationist> Dr_willis: The F12 thingy?  Yep, I have that installed too ;)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  :)
[06:46] <penguin42> Eq|work: I don't think there is a way to configure them properly to play nicely
[06:46] <Creationist> Okay, I found my Kubuntu CD... gonna try what you said, Dr_willis.  But will I have write permissions to my home folder from the Live CD?
[06:47] <Eq|work> penguin42 : well i've made several suggestions above..
[06:47] <penguin42> Eq|work: Neither of which work
[06:47] <Eq|work> and why is that?
[06:50] <penguin42> Eq|work: Well I can leave the watch library off (which is what I do now - and is the default) - but the feature is there since it is a nice feature to have; it just doesn't work; Rhythymbox doesn't have an option not to monitor devices by the look of it; and I shouldn't have to quit a music *player* to runa  *ripper*
[06:51] <penguin42> Eq|work: I'd agree running 2 players at once or 2 rippers would be silly
[06:55] <erichj> morning everyone
[06:57] <rothchild> hi is there a way to mask or hide my reverse DNS machine name?
[06:57] <rothchild> or at least change it to something less obvious?
[06:58] <penguin42> rothchild: Depends on your ISP; some ISPs let you change it but that's normally just business ISPs
[06:58] <rothchild> hmm
[06:58] <penguin42> rothchild: It's not something you do on your computer
[06:58] <rothchild> nt-hells customer support is legendary so I'd guess that's a no then
[06:59] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: I'm in the LiveCD, but I'm getting permission errors when trying to access my /home/ directory for my installed version.
[06:59] <rothchild> thanks penguin42
[07:01] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  you are accessing it as root? perhaps?
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Can anyone tell me how to access my /home directory on my harddrive from the LiveCD?
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Well, it says that the device refused uid999
[07:01] <Dr_willis> the live cd has a idfferent user. thus cant write to just any dir.
[07:01] <ubuntu_> Should I run Dolphin as root?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> best to learn to use the shell. :)
[07:02] <Dr_willis> ya could do sudo dolphin i guess. if you have no shell skills.
[07:02] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Well, doesn't matter.... even running Dolphin as root gave the same error.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> somthing seems very odd here..
[07:02] <Dr_willis> you got your installed system mounted to /media/SOMTHING ?
[07:03] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Well, Dolphin shows it there, but the shell doesn't ;)  Perhaps it isn't actually mounted
[07:03] <AboSamoor> i can'r play my real player music they are only making noise , how i can solve that
[07:03] <AboSamoor> ?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  somthing is very confused here.  for dolphin to see the stuff it has to be mounted.
[07:03] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  check with the 'mount' command
[07:04] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Yeah, I had to sudo mount it from the konsole... it's there now.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> then see if root can cd to /media/whatever/home the dir. and 'create' a file with touch
[07:04] <Dr_willis> heh - ok. You are on the right track then
[07:06] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Kind of frightening to know that my files are not secure no matter what permissions I set, though.  From Windows you can access any files and from the Live CD too.
[07:08] <ubuntu_> Alright... well I'm gonna boot back into the installed system and see how that worked ;)
[07:08] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis: Thanks again.
[07:09] <macogw> nobody told him about encryption?
[07:10] <nanonyme> that's what you get for quitting so fast
[07:10] <nanonyme> btw, how many of you have your bootloaders password protected?
[07:11] <penguin42> actually; has someone got a fresh installed gutsy that can tell me what they see under preferences->removable media->multimedia->audio cd ?
[07:14] <Dr_willis> sound-juicer -d %d
[07:14] <Dr_willis> is what mine says
[07:14] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Thanks; I wanted to check that really was the default and I wasn't making it up :-)
[07:14] <Dr_willis> note that ive never used an audio cd in this machine. :)
[07:14] <Dr_willis> of course with the RIAA law suit/award.. i am boycotting all music now. :)
[07:14] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Sure; I assume you have the vinyl drive wired up then?
[07:15] <wabiD> can anyone try something for me
[07:15] <macogw>  need to get around to that
[07:15] <Dr_willis> if everyone just stopped buying music for say.. 6 mo...
[07:15] <macogw> id like to rip my vinyl to ogg
[07:15] <rocky> is vmware-player not working properly in gutsy atm ?
[07:15] <wabiD> open a firefox window thats like a third a size of their screen, then kill firefox
[07:15] <Dr_willis> macogw,  i saw a LP record ->USB thing the other day
[07:15] <wabiD> then when you restart resume session
[07:15] <wabiD> does it go fullscreen with a lot of black
[07:15] <penguin42> Dr_willis: You could stick with Gregorian chants; if you did that for 6 months you might have to see a shrink though
[07:16] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  its all just background noise to me.
[07:16] <macogw> Dr_willis: well i only buy music when one of my top 5-ish bands releases an album.  my fave releases one every 3 years or so :P
[07:16] <Dr_willis> macogw,  last cd i bought was Weird Al's Cd/DVD combo. :)
[07:16] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Fortunately being IRC you can't hear me singing along badly to my music
[07:16] <Dr_willis> there was somthing else i saw tht i wanted the otehr day.. but cant rember what it was.. so guess it wasent that imporntant  heh
[07:18] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[07:18] <_Jaak_> Does gutsy run in persistant live mode from a usb hdd?
[07:22] <Alp`> how can i customize the look and feel of my login screen?
[07:23] <Alp`> i liked the old one (feisty) but gutsy's new look is bad
[07:23] <axel_s> System -> Preferences -> Login window
[07:23] <Alp`> axel_s: i was there, but didn't found an option to change the ugly box
[07:23] <axel_s> what ugly box do you mean?
[07:24] <Alp`> axel_s: where you put your username and password in
[07:24] <macogw> you cant customize parts
[07:24] <macogw> you can just add/remove a theme
[07:24] <wabiD> how do i run runToBuild from bash
[07:24] <macogw> wabiD: is it a script?  ./ it
[07:24] <wabiD> ah right
[07:24] <Alp`> macogw: that themes seem to be limited to changing button appearance and colors and the wallpaper.
[07:25] <axel_s> I've got a small problem with gutsy.... with gnome/gconf config files cleaned from my home directory or by adding a new user and then logging in, there is no window manager in gnome desktop
[07:25] <macogw> no no you can add/remove a theme of the login screen
[07:25] <axel_s> I have to start metacity manually
[07:25] <macogw> if you want a different one, get it from gnome-look.org
[07:25] <axel_s> what happened?
[07:25] <Alp`> macogw: how to dissable the list of users on the left side of my login box for example?
[07:25] <Alp`> macogw: i'm using kde
[07:26] <Pici> Alp`: I dont use KDE but I'm guessing the preference would be called something like KDM Theme.
[07:26] <axel_s> by choosing "Themed" (not "Themed with face browser") from the dropdown box and selecting a theme without a face browser
[07:28] <macogw> Alp`:  oh then go to kde-look.org and pick a new theme
[07:29] <Alp`> axel_s: i dont find that "face browser" option. i'm in system preferences -> loginmanager -> first tab
[07:30] <Alp`> there i have style and colorscheme only
[07:30] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[07:30] <axel_s> Alp`, sorry i didnt see that u're using kde
[07:31] <MetaMorfoziS> there are a problem about the daily upgrade
[07:31] <Alp`> how to configure that in kde?
[07:31] <axel_s> has anybody got an idea why metacity wont start automatically with a clean configuration?
[07:31] <axel_s> have to start it manually
[07:31] <axel_s> all gnome/gconf files deleted beforehand
[07:33] <jeffk> While installing 7.10 Beta, I selected the Broadcom 4311 WLAN as the primary NIC. This card has firmware loading trouble (at least initially).  On login with default session, the GNOME UI hangs and restarts to GDM. The failsafe gnome login works, I think because it skips the wireless setup.
[07:33] <jeffk> How Do I revert the choice of Wireless as primary NIC?
[07:33] <Crozar> WEIRD PROBLEM! my cd - r / rw ( DRIVE ) cant read what was burned.     [ 1stly i burned a cd either way ( music / data/ iso ) all have a completed successful burning process but after the eject i check for file integrity and my drive keeps flashes on and off making a sound prrrrrrrr tik tik tiktiktik tik tik prrrrr again adn again  and then no media mounted , its like im using windows 3.1 on next generation cd's :/ any help please
[07:33] <macogw> jeffk: did you install firmware for it yet?
[07:34] <jeffk> No, that's the next thing on my list.
[07:34] <jeffk> I need to find out how to do that for Gutsy...
[07:34] <macogw> same as feisty
[07:34] <macogw> sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:34] <`Matir> Where is the best place to ask compiz questions?
[07:35] <xsacha> mmm gutsy live cd uses closed source driver for my ATI card? i thought ubuntu ppl were against that
[07:35] <xsacha> closed source drivers by default
[07:35] <ProN00b> can i somehow set up my system to automatically always follow the current development of ubuntu ? so i really always have bleeding edge without having to do any manual updates anymore ?
[07:35] <wabiD> does anyone have mute installed
[07:36] <jeffk> macogw: thanks, apt-get completed. Is that conflicting or the same with the restricted drivers entry for BroadCom firmware.
[07:38] <cellofellow> This is sort of weird: spellcheck doesn't work at all. Not in Firefox, not in Pidgin, not in OpenOffice. Am I missing a dictionary package or something?
[07:38] <DM|> anyone gotten Rhythmbox to run with ipod?
[07:39] <`Matir> DM|, I use rhythmbox was a shuffle all the time
[07:40] <cellofellow> Any thoughts on spellcheck?
[07:41] <penguin42> cellofellow: That's a little odd
[07:41] <chrissturm> gutsy uses tracker instead of beagle, right? is it possible to search tomboy notes with it, and thunderbird mails?
[07:41] <penguin42> What language do you use?
[07:42] <Crozar> CD-R/RW drive cant read the burn substances of its own / but other operating systems can read them . however the drive can read any other cd's which wasnt burned from its own substance .
[07:42] <Crozar> is this to do with gutsy?
[07:42] <Crozar> i have a cd burned from feisty and gutsy can read it =) feisty also aswel , but i think this upgrade has a weirdd bugg =/
[07:43] <macogw> jeffk: same ones
[07:43] <axel_s> when compiz in removed it does not update the gconf key /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default, which stays /usr/bin/compiz so that newly added users will have no window manager at all when logging in
[07:43] <superm1> Has there been lots of occorrences of 'Hash Sum mismatch' across mirrors?
[07:44] <h1st0> nice
[07:44] <superm1> i've tried multiple mirrors at universities and been getting it on different files at different places
[07:44] <DM|> when i upgraded to gutsy 'Matir, it keeps giving me "unable to load ipod plugin"
[07:44] <Crozar> gnomefreak: are you theyr :(
[07:47] <penguin42> superm1: That doesn't sound good - I once had bad RAM on a machine and the first time I really confirmed it was when package downloads didn't match on repeated downloads of the same binary
[07:47] <superm1> penguin42, it's not just for me, we've had at least 5 people in #ubuntu-mythtv complaining about mirror.cs.umn.edu
[07:48] <Crozar> penguin42: CD-R/RW drive cant read the burn substances of its own / but other operating systems can read them . however the drive can read any other cd's which wasnt burned from its own substance .
[07:48] <Crozar> is this to do with gutsy?
[07:48] <Crozar> i have a cd burned from feisty and gutsy can read it =) feisty also aswel , but i think this upgrade has a weirdd bugg =/
[07:48] <m1ke> I been doing a lot of reading on how to get a wireless xbox 360 controller to work in Gutsy with no luck so far.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404577
[07:48] <Crozar> m1ke: use a wire xbox controller
[07:48] <penguin42> superm1: Ah
[07:48] <superm1> so far the only mirrors i've been able to consistently get to work are the main archive.ubu... and us.archive.ubu... (but they are of course slow)
[07:49] <m1ke> Crozar, my wired xbox controller work by default.  I do prefer the wireless 360 version and would like to use that if at all possible.
[07:49] <Crozar> m1ke: who wants to use wireless? what are you on a penthouse
[07:50] <Crozar> m1ke: what do u use? lol an xbox emulator with games? is drivers supported yet on highly optimization thats opensource similar to windowns?
[07:50] <`Matir> DM|, odd, it's been working for me, though I also have gtkpod installed.
[07:50] <DM|> 'Matir i do too.. rhythmbox is acting flaky tho
[07:51] <Crozar> im going to paint my laptop white tomorrow
[07:51] <DM|> GL
[07:52] <m1ke> Crozar, 360 wireless controller is my preference for a game pad for all gaming.  I my opinion, 360 wireless controller takes the cake!
[07:52] <DM|> its hard to do properly, i did one once, but im a perfectionist when it comes to painting Crozar
[07:52] <BrianG> rhythmbox won't close.. i quit it and it restarts itself
[07:52] <Crozar> DM|: i will paint it on a garage shop lo
[07:54] <earl_> hey guys i have two laptop questions.
[07:54] <Crozar> shoot them
[07:54] <earl_> first of all my computer does not go to sleep.
[07:55] <earl_> even when i click "suspend," it will shut off the monitor, and programs become inactive
[07:55] <earl_> but the power light stays on, and if i touch the bottom of it, it's still warm to the touch
[07:55] <cellofellow> do I need to install language-support-en?
[07:56] <earl_> if i leave it this way for like 30 minutes, i will find that the next time i check the power meter, i've elapsed about that much battery time.
[07:56] <cellofellow> (I think that package is included in older Ubuntu versions.
[07:56] <cellofellow> )
[07:56] <minimec> cellofellow: If you speak English, it might be usefull.
[07:56] <earl_> also, i'm unable to take it out of this fake-sleep state. nothing wakes it up, i have to hold the power button and boot the computer up again manually.
[07:56] <earl_> any way to fix this?
[07:56] <cellofellow> ok, it's the spell check in every program I've bumped into isn't working.
[07:58] <minimec> cellofellow: Install ispell support for your language
[07:58] <freelock> Hey, I just found something strange...
[07:58] <cellofellow> the metapackage is installing myspell. Will that do the same thing?
[07:58] <freelock> Rebooted my Thinkpad with the screen closed. When it came up, had a completely blank screen.
[07:59] <cellofellow> freelock: what video card and drivers? I smell nvidia.
[07:59] <freelock> Switched to a VT, logged in, stopped gdm, and tried running startx
[07:59] <minimec> cellofellow: Just a moment.
[07:59] <freelock> ati
[07:59] <freelock> With startx, same thing... X appeared to start, but nothing output to the screen
[07:59] <earl_> crozar: you know anything about it?
[07:59] <cellofellow> freelock: will do the same thing. When the system wakes up, it can't wake up the binary drivers too well.
[08:00] <freelock> This is from a cold boot...
[08:00] <cellofellow> freelock: I got nvidia working, sort of. sometimes I still see a black screen when waking up the computer.
[08:00] <cellofellow> freelock: :-(
[08:00] <cellofellow> odd
[08:00] <freelock> Seems like X doesn't detect the lcd, if the lid is closed...
[08:00] <minimec> cellofellow: You're right. myspell...
[08:00] <marcin> hi all
[08:01] <cellofellow> minimec: ok, thanks
[08:01] <freelock> ...ever again!
[08:01] <cellofellow> freelock: weird things happen when binary drivers get involved. I'd sprint for the open source ATI drivers as soon as they're usable.
[08:02] <marcin> got a short question: why gutsy is so slow? I upgraded from feisty and gutsy is much slower - is this something expected in development versions or something?
[08:02] <freelock> can't wait...
[08:02] <freelock> ;-)
[08:02] <bazhang> macogw: heya
[08:03] <Crozar> earl_: laptops are still buggy =) wait for the updates
[08:04] <RichW> Has anyone had any luck with suspend on a Intel 965 chipset?
[08:04] <earl_> which updates, though
[08:04] <RichW> It suspends for me and dont resume
[08:04] <RichW> when I turn it back on I get a black screen
[08:04] <earl_> RichW: I just asked more or less the same question, but i'm running AMD
[08:05] <DM|> I'm getting a "Unable to activate plugin Portable Players - iPod" when i open up Rhythmbox, anyone know of a solution?
[08:05] <RichW> Oh i see
[08:05] <cellofellow> RichW: that should work great, seeing as intels drivers are OSS. But... may be a bug or a config error. I don't know myself how to fix it.
[08:05] <earl_> RichW: It also doesn't really suspend for me, it uses power
[08:05] <Crozar> i want to file a bug
[08:05] <Crozar> !bug
[08:05] <RichW> makes sense
[08:05] <Crozar> !bugfile
[08:05] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugfile - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:06] <RichW> Well I do have a nvidia graphics card but I am unsure if thats anything to do with it
[08:06] <earl_> Crozar: maybe you know something about my second question: my laptop's brightness buttons aren't working anymore, but they used to. surely there's a brightness setting somewhere in KDE options?
[08:06] <RichW> I guess I could experimentally try 2d nvidia drivers
[08:07] <Crozar> earl_: im using laptop and Fn key works
[08:07] <cellofellow> RichW: an Intel 965 isn't an nvidia.
[08:07] <cellofellow> RichW: the nv driver should do the trick for suspend, but goodbye OpenGL and AIGLX.
[08:07] <RichW> Yeah, ok thanks
[08:07] <nunofgs> HELP! I did the upgrade to gutsy and now my system doesnt boot. It stops at "md: md0 stopped" and after a few minutes it drops to a command line saying: "/dev/hdb2 doesnt exist"
[08:07] <Crozar> earl_: you maybe must enable it through bios settings or maybe through ubuntu yes ,  you can find this if you google them before claiming =)
[08:07] <RichW> I think I will be buying a ATI when the open sourcies are out.
[08:07] <earl_> yeah my FN keys are working for everything but bios
[08:08] <earl_> err
[08:08] <earl_> for everything but brightness
[08:08] <cellofellow> mine too
[08:08] <earl_> and brightness worked a few days ago too, not sure what happened
[08:08] <enyc> Hrrm.... ?does anybody recognize this gutsy upgrade-bug ??
[08:08] <cellofellow> The brightness keys and the brightness applet don't work on my laptop. GeForce 6100, Nvidia-new drivers.
[08:08] <enyc> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:08] <enyc>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[08:09] <enyc> I would need to test on a feisty clean-install to see if this is a feisty-gutsy upgrade-bug.. or just gutsy-alpha/beta bug somewhere
[08:10] <cellofellow> normally aptitude asks if you want to let it overwrite things, with a Y/N question thing.
[08:10] <enyc> cellofellow: I think that may be for config files
[08:10] <cellofellow> yeah
[08:10] <enyc> cellofellow: I.e. 'config file modified by you or a script'
[08:10] <minimec> RichW: I would think again about that ATI question. I did my first NVIDIA experiences just a few days ago... nvidia makes a very good impression.
[08:10] <cellofellow> ok, yeah
[08:10] <enyc> cellofellow: this is a package contents conflict
[08:11] <cellofellow> needs fixed then
[08:11] <RichW> minimec: open source 3d drivers fixes everything.
[08:11] <enyc> cellofellow: it may only affect people who have been using certain alpha/beta gutsy installs.... or it may affect all feisty-gutsycurrent installs... no idea!
[08:12] <minimec> RichW: I use the opensource driver for my radeon 9600 mobile. It works... better, than a few month ago, but...
[08:15] <macogw> earl_: mine too.  maybe that was how they "fixed" the fact that our backlights wouldn't stay on
[08:15] <macogw> enyc: that package was fixed last night.  apt-get update again
[08:15] <hdp> i have a problem: switching from vt  back to x (ctrl+alt+f7) leads to an instant crash of the whole machine. not even a kernel panic, simply a crash. and the worst, i can't see any problems in the logs. any hints how to debug this?
[08:16] <wabiD> what effect is it when my password gets asked, and the black screen behind it zooms down
[08:16] <wabiD> it goes from upper left to lower right
[08:17] <enyc> macogw: ok synced to gb.archive.ubuntu.com etc
[08:17] <enyc> macogw: libcupsys2 is already the newest version.
[08:17] <enyc> macogw: but... now it is apparentyl "Setting up" a whole load of other packages it wasn't before.. how odd
[08:18] <macogw> enyc: the overwrite error caused your upgrade to abort before, most likely
[08:18] <enyc> macogw: yes.. i think it did
[08:18] <enyc> macogw: now trying to dist-upgrade again
[08:18] <macogw> enyc: that wouldve completed your dist-upgrade
[08:18] <macogw> you should be done
[08:19] <enyc> macogw: but theres more dist-upgrades now ;-)
[08:19] <enyc> macogw: Preparing to replace cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu1 (using .../cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
[08:19] <enyc> Ignoring nonregistered document cupsys
[08:19] <earl_> macogw: your laptop wont sleep either?
[08:19] <enyc> macogw:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2
[08:19] <penguin42> hdp: What graphics card do you have?
[08:19] <enyc> macogw: no its still br0ken ;-)
[08:20] <hdp> penguin42, ati m6 ly
[08:20] <macogw> enyc: odd.  around 11 last night the broken cupsys was released.  maybe clear your apt cache.  it may not have downloaded the new one
[08:20] <macogw> earl_ the non-dimming thing
[08:20] <enyc> macogw: aah... did they not change the version number??
[08:20] <hdp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/139235 this could be the same bug i experience
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139235 in ubuntu "kernel crash when X is stopped or switch to console" [Undecided,New] 
[08:20] <penguin42> hdp: To be honest it's probably a driver bug that the only thing you can do is report it
[08:20] <nunofgs> macogw: hi again. I left the packages installing all night. I just had problems with the root partition not being found and I've discovered that all my drives were renamed to sd* ? I dont have scsi or sata .... is that normal?
[08:20] <wabiD> damn 212 updates today
[08:21] <Pici> Why not just apt-cache clean?
[08:21] <enyc> Pici: that would then mean needing to download everything else
[08:21] <macogw> nunofgs: maybe.  libata was changed in feisty to use sd* for everything.  people complained and they reverted it in ubuntu. they may have decided to just use a new libata afterall
[08:21] <enyc> Pici: I can now _seee_ it HAS downloaded cupsys again from gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:21] <nunofgs> macogw: ah ok, thanks
[08:21] <cellofellow> whatever, all my stuff is using UUID's anyway.
[08:21] <enyc> Pici: no proxy or transparent_proxy
[08:21] <Pici> enyc: It should download the new package when it comes out and forget the old one.
[08:22] <penguin42> hdp: Are you using the vesa driver or an ATI one?
[08:22] <enyc> Pici: yes, if update picks it up
[08:22] <enyc> Pici: but it isn't ;-)
[08:22] <earl_> macogw: oh, right
[08:23] <enyc> Somebody with up to date gutsy please 'dpkg -l cupsys' for me ;-)... what version do you now have?
[08:23] <bur[n] er> yep
[08:23] <hdp> penguin42, i am using the free ati driver, which used to work flawlessly for four years now. until gutsy that is...
[08:23] <bur[n] er> er... I was way back in teh scrollback... DM|, still having problems with the ipod?
[08:23] <bazhang> Pici: heya
[08:23] <bazhang> macogw: hey
[08:24] <MTecknology> hrm... I hope the updates today fixed two of my three problems with 7.10 that weren't an issue in 7.04 :)
[08:26] <albert23> enyc: 1.3.2-1ubuntu5
[08:26] <bazhang> MTecknology: what were they?
[08:26] <cellofellow> I just wonder what's going to happen with ALSA. And I wonder if there is a Linux driver anywhere for my SigmaTel sound card, via an nVidia HDA something. (This is new stuff, new laptop. Not sure how the HDA stuff works.)
[08:27] <nunofgs> whenever I update my kernel, my grub menu.lst seems to be incorrectly created. The UUID is always wrong. Is there any way to tell it otherwise so I dont have to manually edit everytime?
[08:27] <enyc> albert23: thankyou!  that matches with packages.ubuntu.com ...  i have just cleaned the list-files from /var/lib/apt/lists and I am apt-get update'ing again.. maybe then it will "see" the ubuntu5 version instead of ubuntu4
[08:27] <penguin42> hdp: Nod, I think that bug report you pasted is using vesa
[08:28] <hdp> yepp, you are right
[08:28] <enyc> no! Im still getting ubuntu4 version... bah
[08:28] <MTecknology> bazhang, the famous panel with compiz on startup, my screen brightness now goes black except for some very few %'s. and my third one is significantly longer login times
[08:29] <enyc> I've *seen* it *download* a new sources-list etc. from gb.archive.ubuntu.com ... it knows it wants cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 ! argh!
[08:30] <albert23> enyc: I got it from ftp://ftp.tudelft.nl
[08:30] <MTecknology> bazhang, O... there's also a bug with gnome-rdp and compiz
[08:30] <wabiD> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/10/05/1234217.shtml
[08:31] <penguin42> wabiD: Yeh people bury their heads in the sand and pretend that Linux is invulnerable and they don't need to worry about firewalling and things
[08:31] <wabiD> getting people to disclose their passwords?
[08:33] <enyc> Gah!  gutsy main binary-i386 on gb.archive.ubuntu.com is not up to date! it has only the -ubuntu4 version of cupsys hence problem...  sorry for bugging everbody etc.
[08:33] <enyc> thankyou all who sent back responses ;-)
[08:33] <penguin42> wabiD: No, it's talking about rootkited Linux boxes
[08:35] <knix> How does a firewall protect you from a rootkit?
[08:35] <bl4cktone> Hi everybody!!!
[08:35] <macogw> hi Spec
[08:35] <macogw> i did forget about taste of india until i saw the email from kevin
[08:35] <macogw> i think im going to pull an all nighter tonight
[08:36] <macogw> so i can code and read and everything, then put on a suit and go volunteer all day tomorrow :P
[08:36] <bl4cktone> I've upgraded a few versions through a few versions of ubuntu already I had compiz working but in the last two upgrades even with gutsy I can't get my borders to show up in my windows after loading compiz
[08:36] <penguin42> knix: That depends how your machine gets the root kit
[08:37] <knix> not really :P
[08:37] <knix> The only way a firewall could help is to stop it from letting traffic out
[08:37] <knix> But they're going to use common ports anyway that you'll probably have open for services you're running, which I'm going to assume is how yo ugot the rootkit
[08:38] <knix> And if you're not using said services, they shoudln't be running, thus removing the need for a firewall
[08:38] <penguin42> knix: Not necessarily; one example is it is very easy to accidentally start another service (e.g. install a package in a recommended or screw up a config file)
[08:39] <wabiD> where is the remote desktop gui
[08:39] <wabiD> i can only find preferences
[08:39] <knix> I don't think turning on a firewall is any less "burying your head in the sand" than pretending Linux is secure
[08:39] <knix> You should be aware what services you have listening on your system
[08:39] <bazhang> MTecknology: what's gnome-rdp?
[08:40] <penguin42> knix: I'm just saying it helps - yes you should be aware; but it's very easy to accidentally start something else, I'm thinking more of desktops than things that are intended to be net facing servers
[08:40] <erichj> !info gnome-rdp
[08:40] <ubotu> gnome-rdp: Remote Desktop Client for the GNOME Desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 102 kB, installed size 312 kB
[08:40] <nunofgs> penguin42: heh, just imagined a user "accidentally" configuring a vulnerable version of apache or something and "accidentally" adding it to a boot runlevel and "accidentally" leave it running for weeks
[08:40] <MTecknology> i the issue isn't with that package, it's going to be related to compiz
[08:40] <knix> And 'accidentally" finding out you have an IQ below 80
[08:41] <penguin42> nunofgs: Try installing anjuta - you get about a zillion recommended packages; of which one I think is apache
[08:41] <nunofgs> and "intentionally" getting rootkit'ed
[08:41] <knix> lol
[08:41] <penguin42> knix: No, that's why things get rootkitted; people blaming the users all the time
[08:41] <knix> How do you mean?
[08:42] <Spec> macogw: where are you volunteering tomorrow?
[08:42] <bl4cktone> Hey guys, if anyone can help me get compiz working right agian in gutsy I'd appreciate it.  I tried to load compiz in gutsy and got this.  I don't have the borders to any windows now.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39679/
[08:42] <penguin42> knix: 'IQ below 80' - don't blame the users; people do stuff by accident, I'm just saying that if you do something simple by accident it shouldn't hurt you (on a desktop in particular, servers you should have more of an idea)
[08:43] <bazhang> bl4cktone: hey!
[08:43] <knix> penguin42: I don't think turning on a service is something simple
[08:43] <knix> And something you could easily accidentally do
[08:43] <knix> Unless you're blindly installing packages
[08:43] <bl4cktone> bazhang: hey bud, looks like gutsy didn't fix it
[08:43] <penguin42> knix: I think it is due to recommended/suggested packages
[08:44] <erichj> is it just me or is there an over-abundance of male enhancement commercials on the sci-fi network?
[08:44] <bazhang> bl4cktone: do you have compizconfig settings manager, with window decoration plug in checked?
[08:44] <knix> How many packages does a desktop user use that're going to recommend/suggest a listening servce?
[08:44] <bazhang> yep
[08:44] <bl4cktone> bazhang: I haven't touched that yet
[08:44] <bazhang> knix: listening service?
[08:44] <bazhang> bl4cktone: how is it broken then?
[08:44] <knix> listening on a port
[08:44] <knix> a network service
[08:45] <penguin42> knix: Well I seem to have portmap, ntpd and avahi listening
[08:45] <bl4cktone> bazhang: have no Idea it happened after my last update to feisty
[08:45] <knix> penguin42: I bet ntpd is only listening on localhost
[08:45] <knix> I don't know about avahi
[08:45] <bazhang> bl4cktone: could you refresh my memory?
[08:45] <penguin42> knix: No it's listening on 0.0.0.0:123 as well as 127.0.0.1 - checked your machine with a netstat -anp ?
[08:46] <knix> ntpd isn't listening for me :>
[08:46] <bl4cktone> trying to get into my compiz settings manager and nothing is coming up.  When I load compiz I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39679/ these errors in the terminal
[08:46] <penguin42> knix: Anyway, my point is that it's better to have a firewall for safety; everyone knows Unix lets you shoot yourself in the foot but there is no reason not to have a safety catch!
[08:48] <penguin42> similarly, I'll be glad when the AppArmor stuff gets used heavily
[08:53] <bazhang> bl4cktone: are you using just compiz on Gutsy?
[08:53] <mnemo> I would like to view a movie using my ubuntu laptop and TV-out... when I connect it and switch to AV channel on the TV I don't see anything... is there any special button I need to press to make TV-out work??
[08:53] <bl4cktone> bazhang: trying to but till I can get it working I'm using metacity
[08:54] <bazhang> why not not compiz-fusion, bl4cktone?
[08:54] <rothchild> mnemo fn f4
[08:55] <rothchild> or maybe f3
[08:55] <bl4cktone> bazhang: there's a difference?  thought compiz-fusion would take compiz place
[08:55] <bazhang> bl4cktone: huge difference.
[08:55] <bl4cktone> bazhang: so just do something like "compiz-fusion -start"?
[08:55] <bazhang> bl4cktone: light years
[08:56] <bazhang> bl4cktone: alt + f2 then type compiz --replace &, then hit 'run'
[08:56] <SVisor>  205 updates, and several "not authenticated".. is this a ok upgrade to 7.10?
[08:57] <bazhang> bl4cktone: followed by alt + f2 again, then type emerald --replace & (for gnome) or kde-window-decorator --replace &
[08:57] <SVisor> Does it fix my missing bottom panel, that is invisible until clicked on?
[08:57] <bazhang> SVisor: do you have hiding on for the panel?
[08:58] <SVisor> bazhang: nope
[08:58] <bazhang> SVisor: transparnecy?
[08:58] <bazhang> transparency?
[08:59] <bazhang> bl4cktone: did you understand those instrucitons>
[08:59] <bazhang> instructions?
[08:59] <bl4cktone> bazhang: yes seems I don't have emerald so I'm doing an apt-get for it
[08:59] <SVisor> bazhang: again nope... It become this way after an update (sorry not a clue which one). Worked beautifully before that. As did animation of rezise (now Ive a blue rectangle).
[09:01] <bazhang> SVisor: ok; not sure that this update will fix it; can you click on the panel and do stuff with it? delete it?
[09:02] <bazhang> bl4cktone: cool.
[09:02] <wabiD> can myth take advantage of compiz
[09:02] <wabiD> or can it only be used as a window manager
[09:02] <SVisor> About those 205 updates (I just updated yesterday), are they valid? The updater complains about authentication (I have not added any own sources).
[09:03] <SVisor> bazhang: After I click on it, it works as usual. And stays visible.
[09:04] <bl4cktone> bazhang: what was I supposed to do after a apt-get install? apt-get update? or is that needed after the program is downloaded?
[09:04] <bazhang> SVisor: then when you move the mouse away, it just 'poof' disappears?
[09:04] <bazhang> bl4cktone: well, you've got it, so try to use it, but is your system up to date?
[09:04] <SVisor> bazhang: click "on" soimthing invisible.. Actually all windows avoid it when maximized, it is just not visible. And nope. I just have to activate it by clicking on the bottom line of screen
[09:05] <SVisor> bazhang: After that it works as usuall.
[09:05] <bl4cktone> did the emerrald --replace and it's just sitting there
[09:05] <bur[n] er> greetings all... anyone a virtualbox user?  I can't get USB going on vbox 1.5 & gutsy
[09:06] <rothchild> SVisor I have the missing lower toolbar error too, exactly as you describe
[09:06] <rexy_> during gutsy beta netinstall i get an error when dpkg is updating initrd, stating that it cant find the kernel modules (/lib/modules/modules<version>
[09:06] <SVisor> Oh well this is a test system.. What bad can non authenticated upgrades do ;-)
[09:07] <bazhang> SVisor: right on!
[09:07] <rexy_> apt-cache wont install linux-generic to fix the problem, due to incomplete dpkg, dpkg wont reconfigure due to missing /lib/module/<version> modules
[09:07] <rexy_> any idea's?
[09:07] <SVisor> rothchild: Good to know that Im not alone with the missing panel.. then maybe it gets fixed
[09:08] <bazhang> bl4cktone: first you need to do the compiz --replace & (with the ampersand), followed by the emerald --replace & all of these are not in the terminal, but in the run menu, brought up by alt and f2 keys pressed same time.
[09:08] <SVisor> \afk
[09:09] <zerwas_> Will empathy be installed by default in Gutsy? :-o ...or only packaged?
[09:09] <stefg> !info e,pathy
[09:09] <stefg> !info empathy
[09:09] <ubotu> Package epathy does not exist in gutsy
[09:09] <ubotu> empathy: High-level library and user-interface for Telepathy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 120 kB
[09:09] <zerwas_> thank you stefg
[09:10] <bl4cktone> bazhang: seems alt and f2 are not bringing up the run box right now
[09:10] <bazhang> bl4cktone: hmmm.
[09:10] <bl4cktone> bazhang: it was working a few mins ago
[09:10] <bazhang> zerwas_: but it's in the repositories.
[09:11] <zerwas_> bazhang, yes that's good :)
[09:11] <bl4cktone> bazhang: so I can't do that in terminal so, how do I bring up the run box without shortcut keys
[09:11] <bazhang> gnome?
[09:11] <bazhang> bl4cktone: gnome?
[09:12] <bl4cktone> yeah gnome
[09:12] <bazhang> should be in menu, labeled run command; at least it is in KDE..
[09:13] <bl4cktone> no sir no such command in applications, Places, or System drop down menus
[09:13] <bl4cktone> bazhang: can't find it
[09:15] <MTecknology> it's insane how many duplicates there are - i realize some may be too far off for somebody to see the similarities... Anybody that calls me hypocritical, I do my best to find a dupe first :)
[09:16] <bazhang> bl4cktone: just a moment--trying to find it...
[09:17] <macogw> Spec: HRC National Dinner :P
[09:18] <Assid> one day im gonna see kde beat mac's user friendliness
[09:18] <bazhang> macogw: hey!
[09:18] <Assid> in every aspect
[09:18] <bazhang> Assid: already there.
[09:18] <Assid> bazhang: nah
[09:18] <Assid> trust me.. long way to go
[09:18] <Assid> + we need more commercial vendors to start supporting
[09:18] <AboSamoor> can anyone help me to solve Rhythmbox problem, when i try to play .ram .rm files in my library i got a noise instead of music, this was not the case before upgrading from feisty to gutsy ?
[09:18] <bazhang> Assid: wait til Leopard bombs.
[09:19] <bazhang> sorry for the off topic!
[09:19] <Assid> bazhang: unlikely.. beta testers are actually raving about it
[09:19] <bl4cktone> Assid: with glow sticks and booze
[09:19] <Assid> hehe
[09:19] <Assid> no seriously.. i personally faced a few issues
[09:20] <Assid> couldnt get my phone to synch
[09:20] <Blinny> New Gutsy install downloaded today - my 3c905b doesn't activate on boot. lspci shows it, lsmod shows 3c59x but ifconfig says no device. acpi=off in boot/menu.lst -- any ideas?
[09:21] <bl4cktone> what replaces Gaim in Gutsy?
[09:21] <bl4cktone> anyone
[09:21] <bur[n] er> bl4cktone: pidgin
[09:21] <Blinny> Pidgin
[09:21] <bl4cktone> Blinny: thanks mate!
[09:22] <Blinny> bl4cktone: No worries.
[09:22] <bazhang> hey nosrednaekim! nice blog!
[09:23] <bazhang> oops, off topic again. D'oh!
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: thanks... where did you see it from?
[09:24] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: the link you gave yesterday; in off-topic, I think?
[09:24] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: oh yeah.... to the guy with the laptop just like mine,
[09:25] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: here's a question for you: do you use gnome? and if so, where's the alt +f2 gui equivalent in gnome menu? Cheers!
[09:25] <bazhang> hi Lattyware
[09:25] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: interesting reading--bookmarked it1
[09:25] <bazhang> oops. was it me?
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: nope.. I only use KDE
[09:27] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: cheers!
[09:27] <bl4cktone> bazhang: just loaded metacity again and got the run application window
[09:27] <panosru> Flash player does not work in gutsy 64 bit (i installed nspluginwrapper through repos) java not working too amsn not working too... maybe i have to go to 32bit?
[09:28] <Blinny> New Gutsy server install downloaded today - my 3c905b doesn't activate. lspci shows it, lsmod shows 3c59x but ifconfig says no device. acpi=off in boot/menu.lst. I'm trying to test out Ubuntu's LTSP. Anyone have time to help?
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: was it you?
[09:28] <Blinny> panosru: What java? blackdown ?
[09:28] <pavel> if i upgrade to gutsy, am i gonna ahve all my apps?
[09:28] <panosru> Blinny, jre for mozilla
[09:28] <bl4cktone> bazhang: just copy and pasted both of those commands in order, so far nothing has happened
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> panosru: did you read an nspluginwrapper tutorial? its not as easy as just DLing it.
[09:29] <bl4cktone> bazhang: btw thanks for the help!
[09:29] <bazhang> well I said hello to someone,and they immediately logged out nosrednaekim
[09:29] <panosru> nosrednaekim, do you have any link please?
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> pavel: any you have in fiesty, and more
[09:29] <bazhang> bl4cktone: don't copy and paste; type them in.
[09:29] <bazhang> not in the terminal bl4cktone
[09:29] <pavel> awsome ty
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: oh.
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> panosru: i'll find you one
[09:30] <panosru> nosrednaekim, thank you
[09:31] <bazhang> bl4cktone: it's two separate actions; first time the compiz --replace &, hit run. then repeat with a fresh window--is alt +f2 working for you now?
[09:31] <panosru> nosrednaekim, nsplugin provide and java functionality or only flash player? (i hear that flash player does not work well with nsplugin, is that real?)
[09:32] <bl4cktone> bazhang: did it exactly like you said, still no windows boarders
[09:32] <bazhang> I love the way canonical called it nsplugin even with the Netscape icon? boogeyman of days past for a certain big company...
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> panosru: they do not provide it, you ahve to install both, and then link them to nsplugin wrapper somehow
[09:33] <bazhang> okay; can you access compizconfig settings manager? bl4cktone
[09:33] <bl4cktone> bazhang: I clicked on it but no window comes up
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> bl4cktone: are you on gnome?
[09:33] <bazhang> bl4cktone: is it installed?
[09:34] <nosrednaekim> bl4cktone: and secondly, do you have an nvidia card?
[09:34] <bl4cktone> bazhang: should be I never uninstalled it and I have a geforce 6800go
[09:35] <bl4cktone> nosrednaekim: yes I have gnome
[09:35] <panosru> bl4cktone, try to add Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On" on your xorg file
[09:35] <panosru> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[09:35] <nosrednaekim> panosru: +1
[09:35] <panosru> add this to your Device Section
[09:36] <bl4cktone> panosru: do you have a link for step by step?  unfortunatly I don't know how to get in my xorg file
[09:36] <panosru> yes
[09:36] <panosru> type:
[09:36] <panosru> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:36] <panosru> find your Device section and add it
[09:37] <bl4cktone> ok so
[09:37] <panosru> bl4cktone, under  Section "Device"
[09:37] <bl4cktone> "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[09:38] <panosru> Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[09:38] <panosru> don't forget the "Option"
[09:38] <bl4cktone> ok added
[09:38] <panosru> paste your xorg file in pastebin.com and paste here the url i will edit for you
[09:39] <bl4cktone> http://pastebin.com/da186ad6
[09:39] <bl4cktone> that's what I did
[09:40] <panosru> ok w8 now
[09:40] <bl4cktone> let me know if that's right
[09:40] <AmyRose> Is there a way to get rid of those annoying GPG warnings when enabling the debug symbol repos?
[09:41] <panosru> bl4cktone, ok now restart your X Server
[09:42] <bl4cktone> panosru, what's the command for the restart of x server?
[09:42] <panosru> bl4cktone, to restart your X Server you have to press: ctrl + alt + backspace (Warning: close anything you have open and save your work because it will close everything)
[09:42] <bl4cktone> ok thanks brb
[09:42] <nosredna_ekim> bl4cktone: log out before pressing ctrl+alt+bckpscace
[09:43] <wood1> hello guys, I just installed Ubuntu 7.10 successfully, but my major problem is getting my Nvidia GeForce Go 7400 driver. I went to the restricted drivers manager and clicked on the driver to enable it, but it pops out a message saying:  resource temporary unavailable
[09:43] <wood1> what can i do?
[09:43] <nosredna_ekim> wood1: are you connected to the internet?
[09:43] <wood1> yes
[09:43] <wood1> yes nosredna_ekim
[09:44] <nosredna_ekim> wood1: try a "sudo apt-get update"
[09:44] <nosredna_ekim> and then try installing it again
[09:45] <panosru> wood1, if you installed your graphic card drivers through envy, download envy and remove the drivers then install them again through System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager
[09:46] <IndyGunFreak> !envhy
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about envhy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <IndyGunFreak> !envy
[09:46] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:46] <wood1> panosru: i just installed ubuntu, ive never done anything concerning envy.... - i don't like using envy (it made me some problems on my other computers)
[09:46] <nosredna_ekim> !envy
[09:47] <panosru> wood1, ok then follow nosredna_ekim instructions, and never use envy :P
[09:47] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, did you find any manual for nspluginwrapper?
[09:47] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: AH! hit me with a cluebat...  forgot!
[09:47] <IndyGunFreak> using envy to install nvidia drivers is silly
[09:47] <panosru> bl4cktone. worked?
[09:48] <bazhang> bl4cktone: you all set?
[09:48] <bl4cktone> panosru, still no borders
[09:48] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, lol no prob, i found some too but i want to see your link
[09:48] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: did you upgrade, or do a clean install?
[09:48] <panosru> bl4cktone. try to uninstall everything and install again
[09:48] <panosru> bl4cktone. i mean compiz
[09:49] <panosru> bl4cktone, not the system :P
[09:49] <panosru> bl4cktone, you can also find support for compiz fusion here -> #compiz-fusion
[09:49] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: i am upgrading now
[09:50] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: oh no, im sorry this is a clean install
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: are you upgrading from Feisty to Edgy?
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> oh ok.
[09:50] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: nope
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: sorry, meant feistyt o gutsy, but you've clarified youd id a clean install
[09:51] <wood1> yes its a clean install
[09:51] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: anyways, when I first installed Feisty, I decided to install Envy, and see what allt he hoopla was about.  It was also a clean install...
[09:51] <panosru> does anyone tried amsn through repos? i install it but i can't use it, there is no login screen! lool
[09:51] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: well, it pretty much didn't work, so I removed the driver, and removed Envy, but I couldn't get the proper driver to work... reading the error report, seemed to indicate it was interfering with what Envy had tried to do.
[09:52] <IndyGunFreak> I ended up just saying screw it, and reinstalling, and doing the driver the right way, and it was all well and fine.
[09:52] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: oh
[09:52] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: kopete has pretty good MSN support
[09:52] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: and lol, I can't find one.
[09:52] <IndyGunFreak> nosredna_ekim: but its so freakin ugly
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> pidgin has decent msn support to.
[09:53] <nosredna_ekim> IndyGunFreak: gnomer ;)
[09:53] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: but can't I get the nvidia driver without rollingback to an older version of ubuntu?
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> ;), caught me
[09:53] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, i used kopete and i loved it but new version of amsn won the battle :P i wan't custom emoticons! :P
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: no, you can get the nvidia driver with Gutsy, I clean installed gutsy, and installed the driver through restricted driver mgr.
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> worked perfectly
[09:54] <nosredna_ekim> wood1: try running "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"
[09:54] <IndyGunFreak> i was just relating my feisty experience to you, how long will you spend updati8ng, etc, only to find you can't fix this problem because of something envy did, then only to find you need to reinstall.. thats all i'm saying, might be better to just start over now, while you have nothing on the pc
[09:55] <nosredna_ekim> IndyGunFreak: he never used envy..
[09:55] <IndyGunFreak> nosredna_ekim: he said just a minute ago he did.
[09:56] <nosredna_ekim> IndyGunFreak: not on this computer
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> ok, sorry then, i misunderstood.
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> i thought he meant he used envy, and the driver would;n't work.
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> i just scrolled up and re-read
[09:56] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: i used Envy on my other computers, but it screwed everything up
[09:56] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: now i understand... my mistake.
[09:56] <wood1> nosredna_ekim: i prefer not using Envy
[09:57] <wood1> IndyGunFreak: no problem
[09:57] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: me to, and now, although its of no real use to you, lol, you know why i don't like envy..lol
[09:57] <wood1> i just installed the nvidia-glx-new from the restricted...
[09:58] <wood1> so i should restart, and it should work... right?
[09:58] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924&highlight=nspluginwrapper
[09:58] <nosredna_ekim> wood1: it worked?
[09:58] <MTecknology> I really wish I new another language so I could help with translations
[09:58] <IndyGunFreak> wood1: usually system/admin/restricted driver manager, works fine, at least it does for me
[09:58] <nosredna_ekim> from the restricted-manager?
[09:58] <wood1> nosredna_ekim: yes it worked, i have to restart
[09:58] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, thanks man
[09:58] <wood1> nosredna_ekim: yes
[10:00] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, this is the link i saw but on top it says: "Please, if you are running Gutsy stop and read this section. With any flavor of Gutsy you should be able to install flash with apt-get or synaptic/adept and nspluginwrapper should also install and automatically configure the plugin wrapper."
[10:00] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, so i installed them through repos and they are not working...
[10:00] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: ummm just a sec
[10:01] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: did you install flashplugin-nonfree?
[10:01] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, of course \
[10:01] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: odd
[10:01] <nosredna_ekim> bug time :)
[10:01] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: trying to a --reinstall of flashplugin-nonfree
[10:01] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, :P i will download the script and try it maybe it help
[10:01] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: no... don't
[10:02] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, i tried it many times :P
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: just a minute...let me find a command
[10:04] <cps1966> !sata
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <cps1966> !promise
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about promise - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: hummmm there is a command  that will show you what a package depends on.
[10:05] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, maybe i have to reinstall the system? i had feisty and then through dist updater i installed gutsy
[10:05] <nosredna_ekim> panosru: no.. probably not.
[10:06] <panosru> nosredna_ekim, i'm on gutsy 64bit and some certain things does not work, i'm a bit disapointed with 64bit systems either windows either linux/unix
[10:07] <penguin42> panosru: Yeh getting flash to work is hard work
[10:07] <NTAuthority> on booting gutsy beta desktop cd i get an error about the gnome-settings-manager, also, the bootsplash is a little beeped up
[10:08] <NTAuthority> (845 intel motherboard with a normal cpu and intel graphics)
[10:08] <ISOcrates> hey all.  after suspending my dell d600 and reopening it, my keyboard won't input anything.  i have to click switch user to get it to take any keys.  is this normal?
[10:08] <klotho> hello... are there any mirrors that I can use now, since the main ones are slow?
[10:08] <ISOcrates> this actually happened to me another time when i wasn't suspending too
[10:08] <cps1966> nz or nl
[10:08] <panosru> penguin42, the problem is that with 64bit systems many things are hard to get them work :P
[10:09] <pvandewyngaerde> panosru:  like ?? i have no problems on my 64 bit
[10:10] <nosrednaekim> panosru: hey.... umm report on launchpad that the auto configure thing isn't working.
[10:10] <panosru> pvandewyngaerde, 1) flash on 64bit firefox 2) java on 64bit firefox 3) amsn does not work (maybe not 64bit fault so i don't blame the system)
[10:10] <wood1> hello again, how can i get the "compiz"?
[10:11] <nosrednaekim> wood1: try "compiz --replace"
[10:11] <panosru> pvandewyngaerde, for you these things maybe work, but here are not working :D
[10:12] <klotho> anyone know:  are there any mirrors that I can use now, since the main ones are slow?
[10:12] <penguin42> panosru: Yeh; any of the plugins; most apps seem to work if you install all of the ia32-* packages
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> wood1: if you are left without windows borders, run "metacity --replace"
[10:12] <neildarlow> my thunderbird doesn't show unread message counts for imap folders. can it be fixed?
[10:13] <panosru> penguin42, i have ia32libs but some apps need ia32-libs-gtk which conflicts with ia32-libs but also ia32-libs is a requirement for ia32-libs-gtk anyway i will be back in a year maybe things will change :D
[10:14] <NTAuthority> anyone can help with my problem? :-)
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> NTAuthority: what is it?
[10:15] <wood1> nosrednaekim: why did the windows borders disappear>
[10:15] <wood1> ?
[10:15] <NTAuthority> nosrednaekim: 'on booting gutsy beta desktop cd i get an error about the gnome-settings-manager, also, the bootsplash is a little beeped up'
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> wood1: you need to add this line to your Xorg.conf  under the device section--- Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"
[10:16] <NTAuthority> (bootsplash is a little too large, and not lined up correctly, should find my feisty cd and re-check if it's only with gutsy)
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> NTAuthority: yeah... that happed to me on fiesty
[10:17] <penguin42> panosru: Oh I didn't think I'd had any conflicts; hang on a mo
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> wood1: do you need help w/ that?
[10:17] <wood1> nosrednaekim: please help me remember, how do i open the Xorg.conf?
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> wood1: "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[10:17] <NTAuthority> certain hardware does not work correctly with the settings manager it seems, some other person i talked to had the same problems with feisty on a p3 box
[10:17] <wood1> yes thankk you nosrednaekim
[10:18] <penguin42> panosru: Erm OK, I'm confused - it won't let me install ia32-libs-gtk - it just installs ia32-libs if I ask it to
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> NTAuthority: I don't use Gubuntu, so I don't know about gnome
[10:18] <wood1> nosrednaekim: where do i add "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "On"?
[10:18] <IndyGunFreak> lol, gubuntu?
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> wood1: under the "Device" section
[10:19] <NTAuthority> (i like kde better for my use, but the person i'm installing ubuntu for likes gnome :) )
[10:19] <wood1> nosrednaekim: its already added, but instead of "on" there is "true"
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> ah.... ok
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> thats fine :)
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> wood1: its all boolean, so "on" and "true" and "1" all mean the same thing
[10:20] <wood1> yes
[10:20] <Jens_> hey
[10:20] <wood1> nosrednaekim: so any idea why the borders of the windows disappear?
[10:20] <Jens_> My gutsy update failed at about 75%
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> wood1: try starting compiz from a terminal
[10:21] <Jens_> can I get it to resume the update?
[10:21] <wood1> nosrednaekim: okay, i did... but the problem is that the borders are disappearing after i close the terminal
[10:22] <nosrednaekim> wood1: oh.. lol, do "compiz --replace&" do detact the process from the terminal
[10:22] <nosrednaekim> *to
[10:23] <wood1> nosrednaekim: i did put "compiz --replace&" , same problem
[10:24] <Alp`> i removed all uninstalled features in synaptic and after a reboot my whole system font is very small
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> wood1: don't close the terminal.... does everything work?
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> Jens_: yeah.. you can
[10:24] <Alp`> how can i fix the font to the default one?
[10:24] <Jens_> nosrednaekim: how?
[10:25] <nosrednaekim> Jen\
[10:25] <nosrednaekim> one moment pls
[10:25] <Jens_> np
[10:26] <KevlarSoul>  I installed Ubuntu on a partition it made, everything looked great, when I rebooted there was no dual boot screen, went straight into winblows?
[10:26] <NTAuthority> mmm, my problem does not happen with feisty
[10:26] <NTAuthority> except the blown up bootsplash
[10:27] <NTAuthority> (even though my feisty cd gets weird crc errors :) )
[10:28] <NeoThermic> it's so refreshing to be using intel tech. For the first time ever I've been able to boot a liveCD and have the wireless and the graphics working out of the box :P
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> Jens_: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2801
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> NeoThermic: :)
[10:29] <NTAuthority> heh, but my intel 845 system does not even boot correctly on gutsy :)
[10:29] <Jens_> nosrednaekim: it failed during the upgrading itself, not during the download
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> ah.... well, just run the command again.
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:29] <NTAuthority> (blarg, where do I know the name NeoThermic from? she's a she, isn't she?)
[10:29] <wood1> nosrednaekim: yes, when i keep the terminal it stay working everything normally.
[10:30] <hylje> NTAuthority: chances are it's a pun on geothermic
[10:30] <NeoThermic> NTAuthority: hmm, phpbb.com?
[10:30] <nosrednaekim> wood1: does GNOME have a run command dialong?
[10:30] <NeoThermic> hylje: no, "Neo" for new, "Thermic" for heat/fire. New Fire.
[10:30] <erichj> alt+42
[10:30] <wood1> nosrednaekim: what do you mean?
[10:30] <erichj> f2
[10:30] <hydrogen> alt+the answer to everything?
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> wood1: press alt+f2 and type "compiz --replace"
[10:31] <NTAuthority> NeoThermic: support leader at phpbb.com, and judge on phpbb.nl, or am i wrong? :) (okay, should get back to getting an ubuntu install to work :) )
[10:31] <Ford> don't forget your towels!!!
[10:31] <NeoThermic> NTAuthority: yes and yes, :)
[10:31] <wood1> nosrednaekim: okay, i closed the terminal and its still working
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> wood1: ok.. cool
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> can you see any effects?
[10:32] <wood1> nosrednaekim: i have to do this everytime? or it should only be done once?
[10:32] <wood1> nosrednaekim: yes
[10:32] <shirish> guys, I can't get to upgrade stuff :(
[10:32] <NeoThermic> blarg, where'd the crash reporter go? :|
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> wood1: add compiz --replace to autostart. there is a config section for it in gnome.
[10:33] <nanonyme> yay, not that many days anymore until rc :)
[10:33] <wood1> nosrednaekim: okay done, thanks a lot
[10:33] <shirish> http://rafb.net/p/2qZlLA94.html
[10:34] <shirish> nosrednaekim: any ideas?
[10:34] <nosrednaekim> wood1: NP... anything else you need help with?
[10:34] <NTAuthority> wait, is there even a rc planned?
[10:35] <NeoThermic> NTAuthority: yes, it's on the roadmap
[10:35] <shirish> http://pastebin.ca/727181
[10:35] <NeoThermic>  October 11th
[10:35] <NeoThermic> 
[10:35] <NeoThermic> 
[10:35] <NeoThermic> (bleh, sorry about the extra chars there)
[10:35] <shirish> !Gutsy
[10:35] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[10:36] <NTAuthority> you didn't have to call the famous bot ;)
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> shirish: uninstall bzr-gtk
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[10:36] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:36] <NTAuthority> (why do bot devs always add such features?)
[10:37] <NeoThermic> ok, this is annoying me, the crash applet was happy to appear and let me report stuff when I hadn't yet established my wifi connection, but the second I do, it's nowhere in sight :P
[10:38] <shirish> nosrednaekim: thanx, does it mean its a bzr-gtk issue, and if yes, is there a bug which has been associated with that broken state?
[10:38] <NTAuthority> crash detection never works correctly, in kde i also almost never get the crash thingie when an app crashes :)
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> shirish: it seems to be a bzr-gtk issue, and I don't know if it is a known bug
[10:38] <bazhang> gutsy got 47 new updates, including compiz-core
[10:39] <shirish> nosrednaekim: ok cool, do all the updates, till then also see what version is bzr-gtk version conflict is ;)
[10:40] <NeoThermic> ooh, food, brb
[10:44] <joebob777as7_> some users are also not able to print. what log should i be looking at to see why?
[10:44] <joebob777as7_> i don't know if it's this or not: http://www.pastebin.ca/727191
[10:45] <nosrednaekim>  /var/log/cupsys should be it.
[10:47] <joebob777as7_> what log in /ver/log/cups/ should i be looking at error_log doesn't tell me anything...
[10:49] <joebob777as7_> nosrednaekim, ?
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> errors_log is what I would look at.
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> sure its not a network problem?
[10:51] <joebob777as7_> no but i'm pretty sure as my clients are thin clients connecting to a server to even be on...
[10:51] <RealNitro> hmm
[10:51] <RealNitro> (I'm the Jens_ that just disconnected)
[10:52] <RealNitro> The update seems to have worked fine, as I'm writing this in Gutsy
[10:52] <RealNitro> but I think the configuring was interrupted
[10:52] <RealNitro> is there a command to re-start the configuring?
[10:53] <bazhang> RealNitro: what configuring?
[10:53] <RealNitro> configuring of the new packages
[10:54] <RealNitro> dpkg-reconfigure?
[10:54] <bazhang> RealNitro: have you tried to sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[10:55] <RealNitro> bazhang: that looks like the command I was looking for
[10:55] <RealNitro> thx!
[10:55] <bazhang> RealNitro: sure!
[10:55] <bazhang> RealNitro: just don't force if it doesn't work.
[10:56] <RealNitro> bazhang: ok
[10:56] <bazhang> where did everyone go?
[10:57] <bazhang> this place was crawling with activity yesterday at this time.
[10:57] <erichj> i would say, it's friday everyone is out partying. but who am i kidding?
[10:57] <bazhang> haha
[10:58] <bazhang> this is the party!
[11:00] <ChildX> hello
[11:01] <ChildX> which version of the linux kernel will gutsy have?
[11:02] <Pici> Linux romulus 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:03] <Pici> ChildX: Thats what I'm running currently
[11:03] <Pici> On gutsy.
[11:03] <BlueParrot> guys looks like the GIMP package is broken
[11:03] <ChildX> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:  	2.6.22.9
[11:03] <BlueParrot> I'm too lazy to troubleshoot it since I never use it anyway so I just purged it instead..
[11:04] <ChildX> so the version 2.6.22.9 is going to be in gutsy
[11:04] <ChildX> i think
[11:04] <Pici> !info linux-image-generic
[11:04] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.12.17 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:04] <BlueParrot> ChildX: I thought the Linux kernel guys don't do "stable" releases, that it is down to the distros to create stable versions ...
[11:05] <Pici> ChildX: see what ubotu said about the current version.
[11:05] <ChildX> do you think that if kernel 2.6.23 is released before the final release of gutsy... is there any chance that gutsy will have that version of kernel (2.6.23) ?
[11:05] <Pici> ChildX: zero
[11:06] <ChildX> hmmm
[11:06] <void^> the version number of linux-image-generic doesn't really say anything about which kernel version it's built on
[11:06] <ChildX> when was the kernel freeze?
[11:06] <ChildX> i think we have the version 2.6.22.9
[11:07] <ChildX> oh... have you heard that some people argue about the default gutsy wallpaper?
[11:07] <Pici> Yep :)
[11:07] <ChildX> but why
[11:08] <ChildX> when i first saw it, i said WOW
[11:08] <ChildX> i really did
[11:08] <ChildX> it's slick
[11:08] <Pici> Its not as nice as some of the other ones on the proposed list.
[11:08] <ChildX> it's not hard to change it anyway
[11:09] <ChildX> we should really focus our minds into more complex things
[11:09] <ChildX> like finding bugs
[11:10] <ChildX> we have 13 days left to find those nasty things
[11:10] <ChildX> i want gutsy to be more bug-less... i don't care about the wallpaper
[11:11] <ChildX> oh... that reminds me
[11:11] <ChildX> is it possible to return from Suspend mode in the beta version for you guys?
[11:11] <erichj> my distro has a first name it's Gutsy
[11:11] <ChildX> what do you do to return?
[11:11] <ChildX> do you just press a button?
[11:12] <bstock> anyone using gutsy on macbook pro? can't seem to get the wireless working, even when i modprobe the atheros driver
[11:12] <erichj> gonna see if suspend works for me
[11:12] <osmosis> anyone else getting  dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.6.1-1ubuntu9_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:12] <osmosis>  dpkg: warning - old post-removal script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[11:13] <kekZpriester> the cupsys thing mentioned in topic is the error that CREDITS.txt can't be overwritten, isn't it?
[11:13] <ChildX> bstock, is gutsy made for wireless now?
[11:13] <ChildX> 7.04 certainly doesn't have the wireless support
[11:14] <ChildX> there's more work to be done in the wireless field
[11:15] <ChildX> wireless is new to ubuntu so cut it some slack
[11:16] <bstock> i haven't had any issues with wireless on ubuntu in at least a year
[11:16] <bstock> just the built-in drivers for the card in the macbook pro don't seem to work, unless someone knows a special module to load
[11:17] <ChildX> you should report that in launchpad.net
[11:19] <erichj> well my laptop will sleep and hibernate. but the wifi card doesn't turn back on after waking from sleep
[11:21] <ChildX> you should know that not all cards are supported by ubuntu
[11:21] <ChildX> ubuntu supports only the most widely used cards
[11:21] <VousDeux> !power
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:23] <ChildX> so you have to install support for your card on your own as it seems to have it fully functional, like returning from sleep and that things
[11:24] <ChildX> there should be drivers for your wi-fi card on the net
[11:24] <ChildX> install them
[11:24] <erichj> well i expect when gutsy reaches final it will be working again. works just fine under dapper, edgy, and feisty
[11:24] <ChildX> the latest that is
[11:24] <ChildX> oh...
[11:25] <ChildX> then you don't have to worry about
[11:25] <VousDeux> !powermanager
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powermanager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <ChildX> just wait 13 days and all will be revealed to you :)
[11:25] <bstock> i see the mirrors are running slow, are they just getting hammered?
[11:26] <ChildX> i think the development team of ubuntu is correcting just the big bugs now
[11:26] <Pici> erichj: I'd look on the bugtracker, 13 days isnt a long time to fix a hibernate issue.
[11:26] <VousDeux> bstock, the topic has warnings about mirrors
[11:26] <ChildX> yeah... Pici is right
[11:27] <bstock> i see the topic, doesn't say why they're slow. i was just curious
[11:27] <VousDeux> I don't know either...it was that way at lunch time too
[11:27] <bstock> yeah i've been noticing it all day
[11:28] <ChildX> then use another mirror
[11:28] <ChildX> or what...
[11:28] <ChildX> :)
[11:29] <ChildX> is there any sound editing & recording software for linux?
[11:29] <ChildX> like there is Adobe Audition for Windows
[11:29] <bstock> there's audacity
[11:29] <ChildX> is there any similar for linux?
[11:30] <bstock> i've never used adobe audition
[11:30] <hydrogen> audacity isn't as fully featured
[11:30] <hydrogen> it works though
[11:30] <ChildX> any other?
[11:31] <ChildX> screenshots look promising
[11:32] <bstock> there's ardour
[11:33] <bstock> that looks pretty good
[11:33] <bstock> http://ardour.org/
[11:33] <bstock> it's in apt
[11:33] <ChildX> i'll take a look
[11:35] <ChildX> nice
[11:35] <ChildX> that ardour is even better than audacity
[11:35] <ChildX> so it seems
[11:35] <bstock> yeah looks like, i've never used it before
[11:35] <carwash> anyone else having problems with the kubuntu gutsy beta iso? the md5-sum is fine, but booting the cd and running the filecheck tells me one file is corrupted
[11:36] <bstock> audacity has worked for me, just simple editing like ringtones and such
[11:36] <ChildX> ardour looks very professional
[11:37] <ChildX> anyone tested it?
[11:37] <hype_> anyone havng trouble with linux-restricted moudles on gutsy?
[11:37] <Pici> ChildX: it comes with ubuntustudio, they would have more info
[11:39] <ChildX> thanks for the tip
[11:39] <ChildX> i'm off reading
[11:39] <ChildX> bye
[11:39] <bl4cktone> Ok, I'm done messing with this.  I've got gutsy on dual boot with windows xp.  If I burn the CD how do I go about wiping gutsy but not windows xp and doing a fresh install of gutsy
[11:41] <hype_> bl4cktone , boot on the live cd
[11:41] <TheInfinity> do not delete the win partition
[11:41] <hype_> just format your ubuntu partition, and reinstall on it
[11:42] <bl4cktone> hype_, will the install process have all that or will I need to use partition magic?
[11:43] <hype_> bl4cktone , usue gnome-partition editor
[11:43] <hype_> (system > administration)
[11:44] <bl4cktone> hype_, never used it before
[11:45] <hype_> bl4cktone , similar to partition magic
[11:46] <bl4cktone> Jupiterltx: and I can run that in ubuntu?
[11:46] <hype_> bl4cktone , if you have problems, you still can sudo apt-get install gparted
[11:52] <Gutsy_b> Any other Gutsy users have a vid playback that has a dot grid over the video player area? A grid of dots like a car drafting screen. Happens in both VLC and Movieplayer. .flv or mpg's 82865G Intel vid on Dell 4600
[11:53] <wood1> hello guys once again, i have compiz enabled and running on gutsy but every 30 secs the screen blinks for a millisecond and everything gets back to normal.. that happens around every 30 seconds. does anyone know how i can fix that? thank you
[11:54] <Gutsy_b> Screenshot captures a green square instead of video content..
[11:54] <knix> Because the video is going directly to the video ram
[11:55] <knix> Play the video with soem non-accel'd output
[11:55] <knix> mplayer -vo x11
[11:55] <knix> or something
[11:56] <Gutsy_b> I'll try mplayer -vo x11
[11:57] <Aishiko> Gutsy_b: I use kaffiene and don't have the issues youare refering too
[11:57] <Gutsy_b> I haven't tried kaffiene yet, gxine won't play anything at all .
[11:59] <Aishiko> I like being able to configure the keyboard shortcuts under kaffiene
[12:00] <Gutsy_b> Downloading now, worked fine with the non  free codecs under fiesty
[12:00] <knix> Gutsy_b: What video drivers are you using?
[12:01] <Gutsy_b> Whatever gutsy defaulted to
[12:01] <MannyZ> hello
[12:01] <knix> hmm, I dunno
[12:01] <MannyZ> i cant get 7.10 installed
[12:01] <MannyZ> beta*
[12:01] <Gutsy_b> Where would I check the vid driver for my 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller
[12:01] <Gutsy_b> Intel
[12:02] <Gutsy_b> Compiz works great I don't have any other video related problems. Just local file playback .
[12:03] <MasterShrek> MannyZ, "cant get it installed" gives us no info at all, what does it do? does it boot? when does it fail? logs?
[12:03] <MannyZ> masterloki,  sorry :S i thought many got this problem :D.. 1 sec
[12:03] <MasterShrek> MasterShrek***
[12:04] <MannyZ> masterloki,  so ill run the command: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[12:04] <MannyZ> now im about to press the upgrade button
[12:04] <MasterShrek> ok
[12:04] <MannyZ> there is some text and i accept
[12:04] <MannyZ> everything goes well until
[12:05] <macogw> anyone else notice that network manager's "disable networking" doesn't do s***?
[12:05] <MannyZ> the problem is about to come soon
[12:05] <macogw> MannyZ: if you're using a US or GB mirror, you're right :)_
[12:06] <MannyZ> hmm..
[12:06] <macogw> hey who has /topic rights?  The GB mirror still doesn't have the fixed cupsys
[12:06] <macogw> the US mirror got it at 11pm last night
[12:07] <MannyZ> so the problem is this:       A problem occured during the update. This is usually some sort of network problem, please check your network connection and retry.
[12:07] <MannyZ> Failed to fetch http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt/dists/feisty/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'wine.lowvoice.nl'
[12:07] <MannyZ> and 2 other sites
[12:08] <MasterShrek> disable those repos, and check with the site to see if they have gutsy repos
[12:08] <MannyZ> now what -.-
[12:08] <MannyZ> how i disable ?
[12:08] <MasterShrek> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:08] <MasterShrek> put a # in front of the repos u want to disable
[12:09] <wood1> hello guys once again, i have compiz enabled and running on gutsy but every 30 secs the screen blinks for a millisecond and everything gets back to normal.. that happens around every 30 seconds. does anyone know how i can fix that? thank you
[12:10] <MannyZ> so this is a repo? http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt/dists/feisty/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'wine.lowvoice.nl
[12:10] <MasterShrek> yea there should be something kinda like it in that file, probably something about wine
[12:10] <MannyZ> deb http://wine.lowvoice.nl/apt feisty main
[12:10] <MasterShrek> yep, put a # in front of that line
[12:11] <MannyZ> done
[12:11] <MannyZ> save and exit
[12:11] <MasterShrek> youll probably have to disable the other ones it was complaining about
[12:11] <MannyZ> now ill do the update again?
[12:11] <MasterShrek> go for it
[12:11] <MannyZ> the 2 other was wine 2
[12:11] <MasterShrek> ok
[12:12] <MannyZ> btw does the word exit come from clicking the X button :D? like X it! :D
[12:13] <MannyZ> fetching file 76 of 77 :D...
[12:13] <filthpig> I'm currently running gutsy on a live cd and on a 32" LCD TV (LG 32lb2r), and I luckily get some image at all (had to do a little work to get it to work with feisty), but gutsy does not recognize my monitor by default. To fix this on feisty I just had to run nvidia-settings-config, and it autodetected my TV. Now, I want to make sure this works with gutsy too, but when trying to enable the nvidia restricted driver I get 404: IP not found.. 
[12:14] <MannyZ> still 76/77.....
[12:14] <MannyZ> should i give it a min or 2?
[12:14] <filthpig> MannyZ: upgrading to gutsy from feisty?
[12:14] <MannyZ> yes
[12:15] <filthpig> be sure to comment out any beryl/compiz or other thrid party software from sources.list
[12:15] <filthpig> third*
[12:15] <filthpig> I had the same problem
[12:15] <MannyZ> ok thanks!
[12:16] <filthpig> had to comment out the avant window manager and beryl repos from sources.list
[12:16] <filthpig> np
[12:16] <kiba_> error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:16] <kiba_> I have this problem for more than a month now..
[12:16] <filthpig> doing what?
[12:16] <strangelv> "is it appropriate to file a bug report that ubuntustudio-video and ubuntustudio-graphics now require either gnome or something that requires it?
[12:16] <strangelv> or do I need to break down and let apt-get update install a window manager I will never use?
[12:17] <MannyZ> is eyecandy a 3rd?
[12:17] <filthpig> yes
[12:17] <filthpig> anything that is not official ubuntu/canonical
[12:17] <MannyZ> well.. i dont know what is and what isnt..
[12:18] <filthpig> have you installed beryl to feisty?
[12:18] <MannyZ> i got beryl and fusion
[12:18] <filthpig> ok
[12:18] <filthpig> you need to comment out those
[12:18] <filthpig> they're probably at the bottom of the sources.list
[12:18] <MannyZ> i got only compiz here
[12:19] <ppj> I've got the desktop effects enabled, and I just maximized my terminal and it looks like its convulsing.. lol
[12:19] <MannyZ> well it should work now.. i hope
[12:19] <filthpig> :)
[12:19] <filthpig> remember to update before upgrade.. or maybe the upgrade tool fixes that by itself
[12:19] <filthpig> probably does
[12:19] <MannyZ> i have updated :P
[12:20] <hype_> what is linux-ubuntu-modules?
[12:20] <filthpig> if you experience any more problems please paste your sources.list to a pastebin
[12:20] <MannyZ> ok :)
[12:20] <filthpig> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org there's one
[12:21] <MannyZ> http://pastebin.com/d2e0a74ff
[12:21] <MannyZ> its working now.
[12:21] <MannyZ> and it jsut said that to enbale them after the upgrade :P
[12:22] <filthpig> :)
[12:22] <filthpig> ok
[12:22] <frank_> Knetworkmanager doesn't work for me in the gutsy beta. Anyone else?
[12:22] <filthpig> you shouldn't be using automatix with ubuntu
[12:22] <filthpig> frank_: have you searched the launchpad?
[12:22] <frank_> filthpig: that's what I was going to do
[12:22] <MannyZ> hmm.. ill delete it then
[12:23] <MannyZ> here goes nothing!
[12:23] <filthpig> good luck ;)
[12:23] <MannyZ> 1 day with 56k :DD:D
[12:23] <filthpig> hahah
[12:23] <filthpig> yeah
[12:24] <MannyZ> i got 8mg
[12:24] <filthpig> good luck paying that bill :p
[12:24] <MannyZ> ^^
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> MannyZ: lol... i'm on 26K
[12:24] <MannyZ> im paying for 1mg ;)
[12:24] <filthpig> nice
[12:25] <MannyZ> i just love finland :D
[12:25] <MannyZ> i wish i had 100mg
[12:25] <filthpig> I've got a 6 mbps paying for 2,5 or somth, but the telephone wire into the building isn't powerful enough, so I don't get more than 5 mbps :(
[12:25] <MannyZ> 535kbs.. is that good?
[12:25] <filthpig> yeah
[12:25] <MannyZ> hald a mega a sec..
[12:26] <MannyZ> taking 32min :P
[12:26] <filthpig> I normally wind up somewhere between 500 and 600 kbps
[12:26] <strangelv> kbps or kBps?  one's 1/8 the other
[12:26] <MannyZ> and you got how fast connection?
[12:26] <MannyZ> kb/s
[12:26] <kiba_> error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:26] <kiba_> I was never able to fix this..
[12:26] <MannyZ> kbp/s and kb/s is the same thing -.-?
[12:27] <MannyZ> kilobytes per /second
[12:27] <strangelv> b == bits; B == bytes
[12:27] <MannyZ> -.-
[12:27] <MannyZ> i never use big letters
[12:27] <MannyZ> mg = MEGA
[12:27] <MannyZ> not milligram :D
[12:27] <filthpig> hahaha
[12:27] <strangelv> my DSL maxes out at about 192 kBps or 1536 kbps
[12:28] <MannyZ> thing about it.. if i say i got 8mg net.. ofcorse i got 8Mg... not 8 milligram.. its like fkng a dot or how you say it :D
[12:28] <kiba_> err 160
[12:28] <strangelv> getting the abbreviation for kB wrong seems to be a dominant meme
[12:29] <MannyZ> btw anybody can help me with the x file?
[12:29] <strangelv> x?
[12:29] <filthpig> strangelv: I guess it's kBps for my part, then
[12:29] <MannyZ> when im setting my resolution with nvidia settings, and umm when i save it to the x conf file or wahterver... then it says cant remove x.backup
[12:29] <filthpig> hmmmmmmm
[12:30] <MannyZ> i have made this backup..
[12:30] <MannyZ> and when i installed fusion with a sucky tutorial
[12:30] <strangelv> "actually, I forgot another factor... kbps' k is 1000;
[12:30] <filthpig> gutsy installer seems to stop and just spin after step six (out of eight)...
[12:30] <strangelv> kBps' k is 1024...
[12:30] <MannyZ> it fockede my computer.. really.. so i backed up with the x.backup file
[12:30] <filthpig> dunno if it's checking the disks or whatever
[12:31] <MannyZ> now.. it cant delete it.. i suppose? its using the backup not the original..
[12:31] <filthpig> me too
[12:32] <MannyZ> can somebody write the path to the x file?
[12:32] <MannyZ> im really new to linux :D
[12:33] <strangelv> can you provide a more verbose description of the situation?
[12:33] <frank_> filthpig: I checked launchpad but I can't find the same bug. Knetworkmanager doesn't see my wireless card. This only happens in kde. I had gutsy ubuntu fully updated and network-manager worked while knetworkmanager didn't. Then I installed kubuntu from the beta CD and knetworkmanager doesn't work
[12:33] <MannyZ> but with my farmerbrain i own any computer D:::.
[12:33] <filthpig>   /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:33] <nosrednaekim>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[12:33] <MannyZ> that
[12:33] <MannyZ> thanks
[12:33] <filthpig> np :)
[12:34] <strangelv> okay, that's more graspable. 8)
[12:34] <MannyZ> ok so
[12:34] <MannyZ> im very lausy to explain this problem
[12:34] <MannyZ> but ill try to
[12:34] <strangelv> so you're unable to overwrite xorg.conf with a backup earlier version?
[12:34] <filthpig> frank_: I actually had kind of the same problem with knetworkmanager, but I never bothered finding out
[12:34] <filthpig> hehe
[12:35] <filthpig> check with the guys over at #kubuntu
[12:35] <MannyZ> i made a xorg.conf.backup from the original one. ok my computer got fckd up and i had to load from the backup file
[12:35] <frank_> filthpig: I see
[12:35] <MannyZ> so i did and now im running the backup.. insted of the original
[12:35] <GBenemy> Is this the place to make suggestions aswell?
[12:36] <MannyZ> now i think i should copy the text from the backup and place it to the original and save.. then use the original one..
[12:36] <filthpig> GBenemy: they have a webside for that
[12:36] <MannyZ> wich i dont know how to do -.- .. any advice?
[12:36] <GBenemy> filthpig, what is it?
[12:36] <filthpig> you find it via ubuntu.com and participate
[12:36] <GBenemy> thank filthpig
[12:36] <filthpig> can't remember the exact url atm
[12:36] <GBenemy> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate ?
[12:37] <filthpig> yes
[12:37] <filthpig> The Idea Pool
[12:37] <filthpig> at the bottom of the page
[12:38] <filthpig> well, ubuntu just made my day today. my wireless is finally working :D
[12:39] <MannyZ> make my day gypsy :D
[12:39] <GBenemy> haha nice
[12:39] <MannyZ> boraty<3
[12:39] <GBenemy> i use my neighbours wireless
[12:39] <GBenemy> :P
[12:39] <filthpig> haha
[12:39] <MannyZ> owned D:
[12:39] <filthpig> I did that by accident with my laptop
[12:39] <MannyZ> criminal
[12:39] <filthpig> it connected to a open wlan by default
[12:40] <filthpig> Matti, do you want to party? *spoken with finnish accent*
[12:40] <GBenemy> heh
[12:40] <GBenemy> well if they don't want to secure it
[12:40] <GBenemy> and even the secure ones, cain and able takes care of them :D
[12:40] <filthpig> GBenemy: true
[12:40] <GBenemy> :D
[12:40] <filthpig> haha
[12:40] <GBenemy> well i must go
[12:41] <GBenemy> adieu
[12:41] <filthpig> ciao
[12:41] <GBenemy> ciaoooooo
[12:41] <filthpig> g'damn
[12:41] <GBenemy> filthpig, conosci italiano? or do u just know how to say "ciao"?
[12:42] <osmosis> im still stuck on this error. Anyone know when its going to be fixed?    dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.6.1-1ubuntu9_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[12:42] <osmosis>  dpkg: warning - old post-removal script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)
[12:42] <osmosis> from gutsy beta
[12:43] <filthpig> GBenemy: norwegian, but I'm quite often in switzerland, those guys say ciao and stuff all the time
[12:43] <GBenemy> haha
[12:43] <GBenemy> norway is cool
[12:43] <GBenemy> i've been to iceland
[12:43] <GBenemy> never to norway though :(
[12:43] <GBenemy> my brother's been to norway
[12:43] <GBenemy> he says it's awesome
[12:43] <filthpig> yes, we're pretty close to 0 degrees C right now ;)
[12:43] <GBenemy> i think iceland is pretty damn amazing
[12:43] <filthpig> it is
[12:44] <GBenemy> sweet
[12:44] <GBenemy> lol
[12:44] <filthpig> I'm going to iceland next summer
[12:44] <GBenemy> it's soooo good!
[12:44] <GBenemy> reykjavik?
[12:44] <filthpig> really looking forward to that
[12:44] <filthpig> hm
[12:44] <filthpig> dunno, really
[12:44] <GBenemy> ahh well enjoy it :D
[12:44] <GBenemy> i did
[12:44] <GBenemy> (iceland in summer = warmer than england)
[12:44] <GBenemy> :D
[12:44] <filthpig> my dad's turning 60, so he's buying tickets for everyone.. I dunno the details yet
[12:44] <osmosis> anyone else get that on gutsy beta?
[12:45] <GBenemy> no, just you, it hates you
[12:45] <osmosis> or is there a way for me to  apt-get upgrade  by  bypassing that one package somehow ?
[12:45] <GBenemy> why thinks up of these names for it by the way? i mean "fiesty" "gutsy"
[12:45] <filthpig> osmosis: have you searched the launchpad?
[12:45] <GBenemy> what the hell
[12:45] <GBenemy> *who
[12:45] <osmosis> filthpig: I tried...never works for me though
[12:46] <filthpig> osmosis: it -might- be fixed with proposed packages
[12:46] <x_link> Hi!
[12:46] <filthpig> I have no idea, though
[12:46] <GBenemy> launchpad ALWAYS ALWAYS times out on me
[12:46] <x_link> I need some help, just gotta open this thing fist.
[12:46] <x_link> first.
[12:46] <osmosis> filthpig: havent other people had this issue though ?
[12:46] <x_link> hurmm
[12:46] <x_link> I can't open kControl anymore =/
[12:46] <osmosis> filthpig: I already did  apt-get update
[12:46] <filthpig> osmosis: duuno, Ive been on this chan for 30 minutes ;)
[12:46] <filthpig> I've
[12:47] <filthpig> osmosis: with proposed packages enabled?
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> x_link: kcontrol?
[12:47] <osmosis> I can't install anything. Look, http://dpaste.com/21613/
[12:47] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Yes.
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> x_link: system settings doesn't work?
[12:47] <x_link> I don't like system-settings, I use kControl instead.
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> x_link: ah, start it from a terminal and see what error it prints out
[12:48] <GBenemy> osmosis: did your last package completely install?
[12:48] <GBenemy> well, i have to go, work with that
[12:49] <GBenemy> and install completely and cleanly
[12:49] <GBenemy> adios
[12:49] <filthpig> haha, my "problem" was caused my mounted disks..
[12:49] <GBenemy> bless
[12:49] <filthpig> silly sod I am
[12:49] <GBenemy> lol
[12:49] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Okej, I will do that now. It worked earlier for me.
[12:50] <x_link> kcontrol: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZNQGList4eadER11DataStramRPv
[12:50] <x_link> I get that nosrednaekim.l
[12:50] <strangelv> which channel would be optimal for asking for help in running apt-get on kubuntu gutsy without having gnome installed?  I have ubuntustudio packages
[12:50] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I will be back again in 5 min.
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> strangelv: here.
[12:51] <strangelv> the problem is that I'm getting this on dist-upgrade
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> x_link: have to go.
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> bye #ubuntu+1!!
[12:52] <x_link> nosrednaekim: =/
[12:52] <x_link> I will ask something else for help then
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> x_link: NM...i'm here
[12:52] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Thanks alot anyways =)
[12:52] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Will you stay?
[12:52] <frank_> Knetworkmanager doesn't see my wireless card. This only happens in kde. I had gutsy ubuntu fully updated and network-manager worked while knetworkmanager didn't. Then I installed kubuntu from the beta CD and knetworkmanager doesn't work
[12:52] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Cause I must go for 5 min.
[12:52] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Can you stick around for 5 more minute?
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> x_link: I may be around then
[12:52] <x_link> minutes.
[12:53] <x_link> nosrednaekim: THANKS ALOT! =)
[12:53] <x_link> brb
[12:53] <strangelv> existing packages now have dependancies that force installation of gnome.  Should I see if I can remember how to file a bug report?
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> strangelv: which packages?
[12:54] <strangelv> ubuntustudio-graphics and ubuntustudio-video are the two i know of
[12:55] <erichj> yeah, thats not a bug
[12:55] <strangelv> 8\
[12:55] <strangelv> is there an alternate meta-solution?
[12:56] <strangelv> previously installation of these packages have not required gnome
[12:56] <erichj> not that i am aware of
[12:56] <strangelv> This is since by previous dist-upgrade a couple of days ago
[12:57] <carwash> anyone tried the kubuntu beta iso? I can't seem to download a non-corrupt version of it.
[12:57] <erichj> i would suggest a trip to #ubuntu-studio
[12:57] <strangelv> danke
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> carwash: I am using an oler version...
[12:58] <erichj> carwash, torrent or direct download?
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> carwash: or at least DLed one.
[12:58] <MannyZ> what is the command to run xorg.conf?
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> carwash: try getting an older one and upgrading to the newest
[12:59] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I'm back.
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> x_link: ok...
[12:59] <carwash> erichj, direct download. from sweden the MD5 was correct, but the cd-check when booting failed (and installed failed at 65% on to different cds)  from sweden the MD5 was incorrect (does the md5 depend on the filename?)
[12:59] <strangelv> run xorg.conf or edit it?
[12:59] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Before I had kcontrol in /usr/bin/kcontrol. I don't have that anymore.
[12:59] <x_link> Please don't say that they removed kcontrol from Gutsy?
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> x_link: no, they didn't.
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> its there for me.
[01:00] <strangelv> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:00] <savvas> nano, pico fento.. :p
[01:00] <erichj> carwash, not sure how hash is generated. i would recommend downloading through bittorrent. at least that way you will get a perfect copy. if it still has defects, its gotta be something else
[01:01] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Okej. Then I will listen to you.
[01:01] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Should I try to restart X once and see if that will help?
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> x_link: try doing an "sudo apt-get install kcontrol"
[01:01] <x_link> Cause I had kControl opened before.
[01:01] <x_link> ok
[01:02] <x_link> Already installed.
[01:02] <osmosis> I can't install anything. Look, http://dpaste.com/21613/
[01:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Should I remove it and then install it again?
[01:02] <carwash> erichj, I was just affraid there was an error in the iso, since the md5 of the iso was correct, but the disc was still corrupted in exactly the same place on two different cds. But somebody would probably have noticed that before now...
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> x_link: do a --reinstall
[01:02] <MannyZ> my computer is usin xorg.conf.backup file, now i want it to run xorg.conf  what is the command to run it?
[01:02] <erichj> carwash, yeah
[01:03] <x_link> nosrednaekim: sudo aptitude kcontrol a --reinstall?
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> x_link: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kontrol"
[01:03] <strangelv> savvas: know where I can find an AMD64 .deb for pico?
[01:03] <MannyZ> can anybody help me :(?
[01:03] <x_link> okej.
[01:03] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Sorry, men kontrol eller kcontrol?
[01:03] <strangelv> I have an IA32 one, but I can't gen anything 32 bit to run
[01:03] <erichj> isn't pico just a symlink to nano?
[01:04] <savvas> strangelv: nano and pico are almost identical
[01:04] <savvas> nano - free Pico clone with some new features
[01:04] <wood1> hello guys once again, i have compiz enabled and running on gutsy but every 30 secs the screen blinks for a millisecond and everything gets back to normal.. that happens around every 30 seconds. does anyone know how i can fix that? thank you
[01:04] <strangelv> I had genuine University of Washington PICO up until I upgraded to 64 bit -- the package was completely self-contained
[01:04] <wood1> how can i make windows applications work on ubuntu?
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> x_link: yeah... thats what I meant
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> !windows
[01:04] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> lol..
[01:05] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Okej =)
[01:05] <syntux> I want to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy now, any recommendations, notes, etc. ?
[01:05] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I re-installed it now.
[01:05] <MannyZ> wood1, use wine
[01:05] <strangelv> #windows is the WINE channel?
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> does it work?
[01:05] <savvas> wood1: it means it restores it back to the non-compiz display. you should be able to see a window telling you to keep settings
[01:05] <MannyZ> how about #wine?
[01:05] <erichj> pico is a symlink, at least it shows GNU Nano 2.0.6 when opened
[01:06] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Shouldn't kcontrol be in /usr/bin?
[01:06] <x_link> nosrednaekim: /usr/bin/kcontrol?
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> x_link: thats where it is for me
[01:06] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Okey, always were there for me as well.
[01:07] <x_link> But I can't find it there now.
[01:07] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I will try to restart X. Brb
[01:07] <strangelv> syntux: I can't help.  I've been avoiding the issue by installing gutsy despite its instability instead of feisty on new machines
[01:07] <gnubuntu11> wood1: go to #winehq
[01:08] <strangelv> I suppose i'm still reeling from the reported difficulties with dapper to edgy
[01:08] <syntux> strangelv, what issue you are talking about ?
[01:08] <strangelv> syntux: it's been awhile and i can't remember specifics
[01:08] <usser> damn, anyone downloaded todays updates?
[01:08] <erichj> the kernel panics? x failing to load?
[01:08] <erichj> there were a few issues with that upgrade
[01:09] <usser> theres no restricted modules for new kernel
[01:09] <strangelv> usser: I was going to, but that would mean installing gnome to my kubuntu systems
[01:10] <gnubuntu11> today there are no updates for gutsy beta?
[01:10] <usser> gnubuntu11: i just downloaded a bunch
[01:11] <usser> includind 2.6.22-13 kernel for which apparently theres no restriced modules
[01:11] <usser> it just broke my x server
[01:11] <gnubuntu11> usser: really? strange i had no updates reminders today. very strange.#
[01:11] <strangelv> ow!
[01:11] <strangelv> maybe i have two reasons to not run it now
[01:11] <syntux> hmm so there is no CD downloads? only DVDs?
[01:11] <strangelv> that is listed as a package held bacxk and i was puzzling over that
[01:12] <JanC> usser: that's why the kernel meta-package wasn't updated yet...
[01:12] <strangelv> but I was more concerned about needing to install an lagre, unwanted window manager
[01:12] <osmosis> I can't install anything. What should I do ?   http://dpaste.com/21613/
[01:12] <melody> usser: hello
[01:12] <usser> melody: hey
[01:13] <melody> I was told to talk to you about a problem that I'm having (and someonen else)
[01:13] <savvas> !ask :)
[01:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask :) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> usser: he has the same kernel breakage
[01:13] <hype_> nosrednaekim , did you update recnetly?
[01:14] <usser> melody: oh, well i just went back to the old kernel
[01:14] <melody> Running kubuntu on my laptop, been working great.  Did a system upgrade about an hour ago and my wifi card stopped working.  Restricted driver manager started to complain it needed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22.13.8-generic..  I saw in adept-manager it was in fact available for upgrade.  but when I choose to upgrade that package, it came back with "break (install)"
[01:14] <strangelv> osmosis: I'm not sure I've encountered a segfault with apt-get
[01:15] <strangelv> I mostly stopped getting practice with what I know how to work around when I went from Debian Unstable to Kubuntu
[01:15] <erichj> 147 updates showing in manager. thats on top of the 148 i installed this morning.
[01:16] <izm99> i'm trying to install some debugging libraries (in a custom location), but when using them, ld returns with a message saying it can't find one of them.  can somebody help me out?
[01:16] <usser> melody: yea seems to be that ubuntu didnt yet produce restricted modules package that is responsible for your wifi card, what u can do for now is press esc when grub boots and choose an old kernel in the menu
[01:16] <melody> so.. is there any way I can get linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic to install to my system so I can get my wifi access back?
[01:16] <melody> back off the kernel to 2.6.22.12.x?
[01:16] <usser> melody: its non existent for the moment
[01:16] <usser> melody: yea
[01:16] <melody> lemme try that. brb.
[01:16] <erichj> could recompile the kernel yourself
[01:17] <erichj> that's always fun
[01:17] <usser> tell him that im restarting too if he comes back before me )))
[01:17] <erichj> k
[01:17] <hype_> i'll wat till tommorow to update :p
[01:18] <hype_> wait*
[01:18] <JanC> people would do wise not to install a new kernel until the meta-package depends on the new version...