=== Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@152.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.227.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@152.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] looks like cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb is corrupted, at least on US mirrors === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] bug 149188 [01:09] Launchpad bug 149188 in cupsys "[GUTSY BETA] error when updating cupsys" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149188 [01:11] that's the one === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@152.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.professional.rinchen] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.professional.rinchen] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Left] === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-88.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] not corrupted, just good and broken === rnorwood [n=rnorwood@adsl-074-167-242-127.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-88.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] slangasek: semnatics === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === edson [n=edson@unaffiliated/edson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiborio [n=tibor@FE-6-0-rt-gyp.eag.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@66.251.26.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ is now known as jdong === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] the cupsys error is on gb mirror as well [02:28] gnomefreak: looks like a patch has been pushed. testing now. [02:29] mneptok: ah ok im fixing mine locally like i have done all day [02:29] something is wrong this is 2nd or 3rd packages to do this today [02:30] mneptok: pushed where? [02:30] slangasek: to us.arch. === gnomefreak wonders if its not a buildd causing this [02:31] mneptok: it cant be us mirrors [02:31] mneptok: than i wouldnt see it [02:32] and no, package is still b0rked in the us repos [02:32] mneptok: er, it most certainly hasn't, 1ubuntu4 is still the current version of the cupsys package in gutsy and the bug report is still open [02:34] mneptok: i am blaming buildds becasue this isnt the 1st one today so if they were built on same on and it corrupted the binaries there is your error === edson [n=edson@unaffiliated/edson] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] gnomefreak: no, it's not a buildd bug. === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] it's a "sloppy last-minute changes to package contents to try to reduce package sizes, upload without testing and disappear into the European night" bug [02:37] slangasek: your PDT is showing ;) [02:37] slangasek: for 3 of them? [02:38] eh maybe gimp and cupsys i thought a 3rd but maybe not [02:39] 3 of what? I'm only talking about cupsys, I haven't heard about any other packages with this problem. === jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] gnomefreak: a series of uploads were made to reduce package size, in a manner which could cause this problem if got slightly wrong. [02:40] cjwatson: ah ok just seemed too easy to be single uploads [02:40] gnomefreak: you can try to blame buildds but you will usually be wrong. :-) [02:40] likewise, mirrors never cause this kind of corruption [02:40] s/corruption/breakage/ [02:41] slangasek: are you working on a cupsys fix or should I? [02:41] since I appear to be awake [02:42] cjwatson: probably quicker for you to do it, I'm still not clear what the intentions were given the mismatch between what was uploaded and what was discussed in mail [02:42] gnomefreak: also, you should never blame buildds in the *first* instance because such a diagnosis means it can't be fixed in the package [02:42] true [02:43] ok gimp is still failing here === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] gnomefreak: I don't see a bug report on gimp === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] urgh, I don't think doko looked at this rules file before editing it [03:00] gimp broke earlier today i over-wrote deb now its failing again so im gonna assume it was --force-overwite that caused the fixed version to fail [03:01] but it broke in the last batch i got === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] if you're on #ubuntu-devel, you should never use --force-overwrite without ensuring that a bug report is filed [03:06] bug 148985 [03:06] Launchpad bug 148985 in gimp "package gimp 2.4.0~rc3-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libgimp2.0/README', which is also in package libgimp2.0" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148985 === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] bug report was filied early today [03:09] they were marking dupes when i ran into issue === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] it would have saved me time if you'd mentioned that here, then, rather than making me go look [03:14] sorry i didnt have bug number [03:14] or mentioned that there was a bug at all === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508DB999.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] sigh. whatever. I'll go finish fixing cupsys [03:14] point taken === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ is now known as luisbg [03:24] gnomefreak: yes, if you --force-overwrite and name the wrong package, chances are you'll have to --force-overwrite again to put it back [03:25] I'll put a Replaces in libcupsys2 because I'm feeling nice [03:25] cjwatson: ty [03:25] I don't think it's really obligatory to dig people out of that hole they dug themselves though :) [03:25] mneptok: i would do it before it happend === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o mneptok] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@AMarigot-102-1-9-150.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] by mneptok [03:25] cjwatson: i can fix it but ty for feeling nice === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o mneptok] by mneptok [03:25] mneptok: preventative, nice === mneptok bows [03:26] mneptok: gonna grab -motu? :) === gnomefreak was just asking that [03:26] no access. i'll get Hobbsee to add me when she awakens. [03:26] gnomefreak: it's been advised to everyone subscribed to the enormous pile of bug reports ... [03:27] ok ty === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@b82.cornerstone.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.192.119] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] sladen: ping [03:48] soren: linux64... a... no-op on 32-bit? [03:48] [03:49] yeah, it's, er, a bit odd [03:49] slangasek: "linux64" == "make my personality my native one. kthxbye" [03:49] lamont: [03:50] it's not a no-op. it changes your personality back to the native one... the fact that you didn't change it to something else beforehand is the strange part.... [03:50] right... :) [03:51] I didn't write it, I just accidentally hijacked it. === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] it was maybe an unfortunate choice of name... but remember that the author was kinda focused on 64-bit architectures [03:55] PER_LINUX = 0x0000, [03:55] PER_LINUX_32BIT = 0x0000 | ADDR_LIMIT_32BIT, [03:55] including in the kernel... [03:55] right [03:56] and you'd give us different crap if we called the command /usr/bin/linux :) [03:56] pff, why couldn't it be sane like prctl [03:56] if it helps, linux32's links were the final straw that convinced me it was time to move util-linux to debhelper [03:57] and thereby make the Makefile readable again [03:58] heh [04:01] oh, hah, there is a generic "setarch" that it's a symlink to? well, that's a bit saner [04:02] well, the Debian bug has the appropriate variant of the patch now === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] slangasek: setarch $arch options [04:02] or $arch options === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] slangasek: so what brought the subject up, anyway [04:03] ? [04:04] lamont: the mbr ftbfs [04:04] oh, right [04:05] I also get an 'i386' symlink. :) === cdm10 [n=caleb@unaffiliated/cdm10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] Hi, is there any known issue with Samba on Gutsy? [04:06] I want a "sparc32" symlink on amd64 [04:06] cdm10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba will show you any number of known bugs; would you care to be more specific? [04:07] slangasek: submit a patch. [04:07] slangasek: Thanks, I didn't know where to look. [04:07] the biggest samba bug is that it talks to windoze? === cdm10 [n=caleb@unaffiliated/cdm10] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving."] [04:08] haha [04:09] lamont: there's a setting you can use to work around that === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] tkamppeter: so is bug #99372 something you're working on, or should I try to find a kubuntu person to take it on? [04:12] Launchpad bug 99372 in kdebase "MASTER: [Feisty] KDE Printing Manager does not list the PPDs of Gutenprint" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99372 [04:14] oh yay, cimmo's commented on that bug. === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-76-29-25-210.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] Hobbsee: ? [04:18] slangasek: sorry, you must have missed my sarcasm there. [04:18] I just have no idea who cimmo is [04:18] slangasek: (cimmo thinks that there are infinite developers, and that the reason all bugs arent dealt with immediately is because people are lazy) === ion_ [i=ion@heh.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] Hobbsee: Yeah, get ta work ya bum ;-) [04:27] bddebian: now you get going on that universe queue, else you'll get poked with teh Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === bddebian hides === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-76-29-25-210.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie [05:04] Hobbsee, in the old days the bugzilla.mozilla.org approach to those sort of people was to assign the bug to them [05:04] mpt: true that. which people object to, for some reason :P === Hobbsee --> uni === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.4.31] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] http://pastebin.com/mb63fed2 <--known? [05:11] mekius: yes known === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:12] mekius: bug 149188 [05:12] Launchpad bug 149188 in cupsys "[GUTSY BETA] error when updating cupsys (dup-of: 149106)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149188 [05:12] Launchpad bug 149106 in cupsys "package cupsys 1.3.2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/libcupsys2/CREDITS.txt', which is also in package libcupsys2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149106 [05:13] gnomefreak: thx [05:13] np [05:13] working on a custom live cd, not a fan of debian based systems personally heh [05:13] freeze is today isnt it? [05:13] custom ubuntu live cd that is [05:13] no clue heh [05:13] if it is that is good cause we've been running into packaging issues daily :/ [05:14] i was thinking about trying to make a livecd [05:14] guess that is what we get for basing on gutsy heh [05:15] i havent seen anywhere near the problems we had in dapper edgy and feisty, in gutsy to date [05:16] that's good to hear :) [05:16] it hasn't been too bad [05:16] just in the last couple days [05:16] maybe the rush to get packages in before freeze :) === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67E6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508DB999.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KristianL [n=kristian@unaffiliated/kristianl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ccheney [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-68-138.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora80 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-61e8e9201922765e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] asac: is it known that firefox seems unhappy if you change themes while it's running? [07:30] Mithrandir: usually not too unhappy for me === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] mekius: I see it on both amd64 and i386 here [07:36] don't use gnome though so that might be it [07:36] what do you mean by unhappy? [07:38] anthropomorphized browsers, it's all the rage === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] Good morning [07:39] morning [07:40] hi slangasek [07:42] hey pitti === mir100 [n=mir100@adsl-76-224-39-140.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] locks up for a long time. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] pitti: Do you have a moment? I've discussed the promotion list with Mithrandir, and I'd like you to take another look if you have time? [07:56] StevenK: yeah, can do === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] pitti: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/big-promotion [07:57] pitti: That list is the more important stuff for -mobile, with two simple apps [07:58] StevenK: no frozen-bubble any more? :( === StevenK chuckles [07:59] It'll come up, it's just not first. [07:59] StevenK: this list looks absolutely appropriate to me [07:59] pitti: Okay, shall I sign it and submit it as a bug? [08:00] pitti: Or do you really want me to re-add frozen-bubble? :-) [08:00] StevenK: pull the trigger [08:00] pitti: we figured that starting with a smaller list of less controversial items would be easier. [08:00] StevenK: it needs some quite large dependencies, so maybe not for the initial rush [08:00] pitti: as for l10/i18n, that's something we want to discuss at UDS. [08:00] pitti: *nods* Understood === StevenK hands Mithrandir the missing 'n' in l10n [08:01] Mithrandir: is there a chance to avoid one of the two mozilla copies (xulrunner) and clamav? [08:01] Mithrandir: i18n> yeah, good opportunity; I'm interested to learn how it works ATM, then I'm sure we can figure something out [08:01] pitti: yes, xulrunner will be going, and I'm not completely convinced of claws yet, so those can wait. [08:02] claws looks like a pig to me [08:02] Mithrandir: oh, and sendmail? Is that just a wrong prefered dependency or so? [08:02] pitti: sendmail is due to clamav Build-Depend'ing on libmilter-dev [08:02] Mithrandir: I just thought that if the devices we are talking about can digest firefox/midbrowser, then thunderbird shouldn't be too big either? [08:03] pitti: sendmail is a build-dep for clamav which has a milter plugin. [08:04] eww [08:04] well, libmilter-dev is a build-dep [08:04] and comes from sendmail [08:04] well, since clamav itself is pretty much a no-go for main, it doesn't matter that much [08:04] as for thunderbird, that's an option, but it haven't been hildonised by anybody TTBOMK. === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] StevenK: claws isn't hildonised in current lpia due to a bug; Adilson is working on fixing that. === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-215-97.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] How do I stop vim indenting stuff when I paste it in? It's very irritating. === StevenK gets off the phone to his sister, after describing what an Ethernet cable is used for. [08:12] I was quite tempted to say, "I will use it to choke you." [08:14] hehe [08:15] StevenK: :set paste [08:15] Hrm. I was trying :set noai [08:17] StevenK: configure a pastetoggle key [08:17] set pastetoggle= [08:17] StevenK: ^ in your .vimrc [08:17] StevenK: then I usually do F9 - middle click - F9 [08:18] I like it. [08:20] pitti, Mithrandir: Bug 149275 [08:20] Launchpad bug 149275 in tasks "First cut of source packages for -mobile promotions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149275 [08:21] ah, thanks [08:21] I'll talk to iwj to coordinate and share the review [08:21] pitti: Thanks [08:21] The dropdown lists at the top look impressive === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.134.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] "frightening" was what came to my mind === StevenK grins === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=Patrice@78.115.141.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] Good morning === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-68-138.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] is it known that totem isn't descriptive on what it needs to play dvd's, iirc it is for other media types [08:31] i installed libdvdcss2 and it doesn't want to play but doesn't say what it needs [08:32] calc: hello [08:32] calc: hm, that should actually be taken care of by simple-codec-installation [08:32] mvo: ^ ? [08:33] i don't see that if it is a package on my box [08:33] ? === mvo reads backtrace [08:33] mvo: i can't play dvd's with totem even with libdvdcss2 installed and it isn't very descriptive as to why [08:33] it says "Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because it does not have the appropriate plugins to be able to read from the disc." [08:34] calc: libdvdread? [08:34] it's not a codec, it's an access library [08:34] yep libdvdread3 is installed too [08:34] calc: oh, no idea. I don't think this is done via gstreamer [08:34] i guess i can just install totem-xine but that is cheating [08:34] or is it? if so, we should make sure that the easy codec install gets extended to understand about it [08:35] calc: yes :P [08:35] mvo: I don't know how totem does the dvd playing stuff, never examined it before [08:36] calc: seb128 probably has a idea, he should be around in ~1h === norsetto [n=Cesare@host66-221-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] ok [08:38] Hrm. Compiz 0.6.0 finally released [08:39] and already in gutsy [08:39] Heh, neat === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === calc checks to see if bad/ugly plugins help === StevenK chuckles [08:41] ...and already has patches from git applied to fix stuff :) [08:41] My cat was on my windowsill - until the dog next door starting barking. [08:41] She jumped a mile and ran off [08:41] With *hilarious* consequenses! [08:42] Well, she knocked over one of my speakers in her haste [08:43] cjwatson_: ouch, missed the debian/docs file, which installs CREDITS ... [08:43] calc: btw, what's the current status on your local disk wrt. OO.o? do you plan another upload for gutsy? [08:43] calc: afaik, gstream still has no support for DVD menus === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F759B3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] for whatever reason even totem-xine seems to not work either [08:44] good morning [08:44] huh i wonder if this is a disc that can't be played under linux [08:44] that would really suck :\ [08:47] hah, i am going to have to pirate the movie to be able to play it, its a damn sony movie [08:47] it won't even play on most standalone dvd players === slangasek chuckles === calc kills sony [08:48] now i know why i hadn't rented this movie yet even though its old, i used to know which ones to avoid [08:48] check for rootkits :) === RAOF boggles at evolution dying entirely under it's own steam [08:48] heh === illovae [n=illovae@82.254.29.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] c [08:56] ugh === nightwish [i=gsn1@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] about half of my system is upgraded [08:59] and when I start adpet-manager to finish it is says that it cannot because it would break things [09:01] calc: so pitti had talked to me about needing some fixes to bibliography handling before we could consider dropping oo-base from the CDs; is this something you're working on, is there a bug number for it, and is there anything you could use help with? [09:03] slangasek: i don't have a bug number for it yet, and not sure what i should do as far as warning or just not crash, etc? [09:03] if i warn then i would need translations right? [09:03] also i am not even sure what all parts of the code will trigger crashes, at least bibliography and mail merge [09:03] maybe more [09:04] ooo upstream is considered to be one thing to install so they are intertwined quite a lot [09:05] translators wouldn't thank us for an additional string, but an error message in English would be better than an error message in "C++ backtrace" [09:05] yea [09:06] there aren't any Ubuntu translations for ooo, I think [09:06] something really simple like "Install openoffice.org-base" would be fairly easy to understand across languages since it would be just one word to translate... ;) [09:06] so in what kind of timeframe would you be able to answer the question of which parts of the code will trigger it? [09:06] it's all upstream [09:06] mdke: we're talking about adding another string to ooo [09:07] mdke: or a few probably all with the same basic message [09:07] calc: right, my point was that since Ubuntu doesn't translate ooo, it can't be translated [09:07] mdke: ok [09:07] mdke: long term it will be but that is in hardy timeframe [09:07] probably that helps, doesn't it, because you don't have to worry about notifying translators [09:07] because we're kinda supposed to have the CDs sorted, er, today [09:07] slangasek: i will try to have the list done today (Friday) [09:07] slangasek: oh shit, ok didn't realize that was today :\ [09:08] mdke: well, just because the translations aren't primarily done in LP doesn't mean that the translation teams wouldn't have taken a stab at it had they been given a chance === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] slangasek: ok, if there is translation activity in Ubuntu OOo then it becomes a consideration again :) still, I wasn't aware of such [09:10] mvo: what's the status of bug 120957? it looks quite confusing [09:10] Launchpad bug 120957 in update-manager "UpdateManager fails to fetch dist-upgrade tarball" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120957 [09:12] pitti: the original bug is fixed with 0.59.25, the last comment indicates that it got hijacked for something else [09:12] soren: any news about bug 119908? [09:12] Launchpad bug 119908 in dovecot "Dovecot crashes on index files" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119908 [09:13] mvo: can you please update the gutsy and feisty tasks appropriately? (I think the import os issue is fixed in feisty, right?) [09:13] yes [09:13] mvo: if the last commenter has a different problem, he needs to file a new bug [09:13] hijacking SRU bugs is way too confusing [09:13] mvo: danke sehr! *hug* [09:14] yes again :) [09:14] I approved the feisty task [09:15] slangasek: oh another issue is if a document uses base for something already it will likely crash writer as soon as it is opened [09:15] pitti: No, I'm afraid it slipped under my radar at some point. I remember I found the diff for you, but it was something like 18k lines :/ [09:15] calc: === illovae [n=illovae@82.254.29.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] it sounds like writer should actually Depends: -base, or so [09:16] pitti: yea more or less [09:16] if someone uninstalls -base on his system, he'd get the same result [09:16] pitti: yep, that is why we have been installing openoffice.org which pulls it all in, in the past [09:16] calc: doko also mentioned that we could make gij optional; do you know what that would chnage? [09:16] well, it's not just embedding databases in text documents either, is it? [09:17] you can embed spreadsheets in a text doc, or $mumble in a presentation? [09:17] debian bug 439843 fixes my evolution crashing on startup (and other occurences of crashers with other gnome apps) - is http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/libxml2.debdiff OK for upload? [09:17] Debian bug 439843 in libxml2 "libxml2: Version 2.6.30.dfsg-1 breaks Azureus and evolution (until now)" [Critical,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/439843 [09:17] pitti, calc: only if we can give the user a hint when opening the wizards in writer (i.e. opening a dialog box when we cannot find a jvm) [09:17] slangasek: true, also if you do envelope or bibliography related stuff it doesn't directly look like database stuff but would probably crash it as well, i haven't verified for the simple case with just those things though [09:18] doko: ah [09:18] dholbach: there is another libxml2 upload pending ... [09:18] ah, seems doko managed to shove off 8 MBs from our alternates; thanks a lot! [09:18] so, 10 MB to go [09:18] doko: since I don't have your changes to libxml2, would you mangle the fix into yours? [09:18] it seems to fix __xmlParserInputBufferCreateFilename() sort of crashers [09:19] so far with a manual gui inspection the only things that crash are related to envelopes and bibliography which I had found initially [09:19] dholbach: bug 147144, which includes your fix [09:19] Launchpad bug 147144 in libxml2 "xslt:copy element is broken in 2.6.29" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147144 [09:19] pitti: If I could actually remember how to do /usr/share/doc links properly, libsnmp10 should kill another 1Mb [09:20] StevenK: where's the problem? [09:20] doko: I think the problem is me. :-) [09:20] StevenK: most important thing to remember is that you need a preinst to replace a dir with a symlink [09:20] doko: is that a merge of 2.6.30.dfsg-2 [09:20] StevenK: (since dpkg won't do it) [09:21] pitti: with the next upload of ubuntu-docs, there is an increase in the package size, just to warn you. It's due to adding translations [09:21] doko: ok, looks good then [09:21] yoohoo [09:21] no libxml2 breakage anymore [09:21] pitti: My problem at the moment is it won't stop shipping /usr/share/doc/libsnmp10 [09:21] thanks doko [09:22] mdke: even when not shipping the not needed xml files? === liw [n=liw@a91-154-119-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] mdke: TBH, I'd like to do a ban of package size increase until we sort out the 10 MB we need to chop off [09:23] aren't all packages supposed to have changelog.Debian.gz? I am wondering why my laptop started failing to suspend and I suspect the recent xserver-xorg-video-intel upgrade but noticed that it has no changelog === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] doko: yes, including those. Translations are very large [09:23] Trewas: for native packagages they might just have a changelog.gz [09:23] pitti: alright, it's your call. [09:24] the package I built as a test was 2.1MB over about 1MB for the previous version [09:24] mdke: would it be possible to upload ubuntu-docs without new translations first? [09:24] pitti: it has only files "copyright" and "README.gz" (dated months ago) in its /usr/share/doc directory === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] pitti: want to have a look at 147144? [09:25] doko: I presume so, although we might have to completely rework the package. It is always set up to ship translations if they are present in the repository [09:25] Trewas: that's a bug then === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] an alternative would be to slim down the package size by only shipping translations which have a very high percentage of translation [09:26] doko: the changelog only has bug fixes, so it's not subject to freeze [09:27] lemme see how big the package is with only 90% complete translations [09:27] pitti: ok thanks, uploading [09:27] thank you [09:28] <\sh> doko, can you make a sense of this, while starting up oofice ?? ** (process:6067): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... [09:28] pitti: should I file a bug about it? and preferably for ubuntu or for debian (assuming they are missing the changelog too)? [09:28] <\sh> doko, I have it on two of my gutsy machines...(lt43 and a hp desktop) [09:28] mdke: ah, would certainly be an interesting figure (although 90% is certainly a bit high) [09:28] pitti: yes, I would not envisage releasing with that, it would be very unfair to translators [09:29] Trewas: on Debian preferably, when it is missing there [09:29] \sh: restricted graphics driver? [09:29] <\sh> doko, nope...ati oss and compiz-fusion [09:29] pitti: ok [09:29] mdke: also, if we can chop off enough, 1 MB for added translations is well worth the space [09:29] <\sh> doko, and on the second one ati oss and dual head setup without compiz === fabiux [n=fabiux@82.84.95.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] mdke: so I'm not refusing the new upload at all, I just like to ask you to stall it a bit [09:29] hi \sh [09:29] <\sh> moins pitti :) === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] \sh: no idea, please ask calc [09:30] pitti: ok, but it has some important fixes too, so if we can upload at 90% now and then reduce it say on Monday, that would be good [09:30] \sh: or better file a bug report === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] <\sh> doko, will do :) [09:30] \sh: try without compiz and see if it goes away [09:30] mdke: works for me, too [09:31] \sh: i've seen compiz do weird stuff with various other apps like firefox/thunderbird as well === mvo refuses to believe that it might be a compiz problem [09:31] <\sh> calc, I don't have compiz enabled on the other machine :) [09:31] \sh: oh fun [09:31] <\sh> calc, same error [09:31] pitti: ok, it's 1.3MB with >90% translations (compares with 1.0MB for the current package in the archive) [09:31] \sh: i've seen someone mention an issue like yours (maybe it was you) but haven't been able to reproduce it [09:31] mdke: that's fine [09:31] ok, I'll commit the change and comment on the bug report [09:32] <\sh> calc, nope...I just wanted to start up ooO today to write my CV ... [09:32] \sh: did you have a chance to test bug 103291 in gutsy? we need to put this into dapper soon for dapper.2 [09:32] Launchpad bug 103291 in lilo-installer "lilo-installer fails on HP (Compaq) SmartArray controllers (/dev/cciss)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103291 [09:32] pitti: that trick of yours with the translation percentage is very useful :) [09:32] \sh: both i386? [09:32] <\sh> calc, yepp [09:32] mdke: \o/ [09:32] \sh: Oh pfeh, CVs should be done in LaTeX. :-) [09:33] <\sh> pitti, thx for reminding me :) I wanted to update it :) [09:33] \sh: hmm :( whatever it is it must be uncommon since i don't have an inbox full of reports, file a bug report with as much detail as you can get about it [09:33] \sh: oh, does it work now? [09:33] <\sh> pitti, well, works for me ;) I'm, updating the bug now :) [09:33] cool [09:34] <\sh> StevenK, I have my CV ready on the web...I need to transform it properly into PDF...and push my other stuff as well in === \sh has an appointment this afternoon for a job interview [09:35] \sh: Yes, so use LaTeX. :-) === calc gone to bed [09:35] <\sh> calc, I'll file a bug against ooffice...what do you need to have good infos? [09:35] calc: sleep well! [09:36] \sh: package version, arch, if you can manage to get a good gdb backtrace that would be helpful, but the other person wasn't able to get one [09:37] I thought OOo resisted debugging? :-P [09:37] <\sh> calc, I'm trying to get them..hopefully it works :) [09:37] \sh: maybe kernel version as well, not sure what would be causing it to not to fork [09:37] \sh: whatever the problem is its uncommon :-( [09:37] StevenK: heh yea a bit [09:39] <\sh> calc, will give you everything you want :) let's see what's coming out === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc ZZzz.. [09:44] cjwatson_: do you have the dapper update for bug 103291 at hand for upload? [09:44] Launchpad bug 103291 in lilo-installer "lilo-installer fails on HP (Compaq) SmartArray controllers (/dev/cciss)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103291 === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] <\sh> calc, no backtrace possible.... === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F759B3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 10 minutes === rluberti [n=rluberti@adsl-ull-34-157.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rluberti [n=rluberti@adsl-ull-34-157.44-151.net24.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] mdke, pitti: currently looking at ubuntu-docs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] doko: bug 149040? [10:00] Launchpad bug 149040 in ubuntu-docs "waste of disk space" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149040 [10:00] dholbach: yes === dholbach holds off on uploading it :) [10:00] hiya dholbach [10:01] hey Hobbsee [10:01] dholbach: no, please go ahead (if the package is smaller than the current one) [10:01] doko: it contains a lot of new translations, that's why it's hard to judge === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] dholbach: is that you who do ubuntu-docs uploads? [10:02] seb128: ubuntu-main-sponsors does it, I did it all the time 'historically' [10:02] dholbach: ohh, right, and those get stripped for the binary ... === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] dholbach: bug #146832 [10:03] Launchpad bug 146832 in ubuntu-docs "ubuntu-docs: undefined "’" in /usr/share/omf/windows/windows-C.omf" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146832 [10:04] dholbach: the current version breaks update, would be nice if somebody could sponsor quickly [10:04] seb128: I'll do the upload then - bug 149040 and bug 146832 should be fixed that way [10:04] Launchpad bug 149040 in ubuntu-docs "waste of disk space" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149040 [10:04] Launchpad bug 146832 in ubuntu-docs "ubuntu-docs: undefined "’" in /usr/share/omf/windows/windows-C.omf" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146832 [10:04] dholbach: thanks [10:11] seb128, doko: uploaded [10:13] dholbach: danke === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Karajan [n=Sea@60.20.50.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] mvo: can you update command-not-found-data before the release again? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] dholbach: yes [10:21] mvo: gracias === Karajan [n=Sea@60.20.50.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] dholbach: that and a app-install-data-update is on my list [10:23] dholbach: the list that is too long ,) === dholbach hugs mvo === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7398B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee staples dholbach to irc [10:26] hehe Hobbsee === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.4.31] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] dholbach: now stay there, or else it will be the duct tape :P === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee cheers over the fact that the guys never ended up duct-taping her to the truss, ~20m into the air. [10:28] Hobbsee: gotcha :) === Mithrandir puts something down on the todo-list for next uds with Hobbsee present. === Hobbsee beats Mithrandir [10:29] Mithrandir: you'd have to get up there yourself! [10:30] Hobbsee: I have climbing equipment. [10:30] Mithrandir: depends how climable it is, though. [10:31] true [10:31] which, at least that one wasnt. [10:32] and, last i checked, you cant put a scissorlift into your suitcase. === sevrin [n=sevrin@ns1.clipsalportal.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] you can rent one locally? [10:33] sure, if you have connections. [10:33] like, a phone and a bit of money? :-P [10:33] you'd have to know the number to ring :P === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-25-170.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] start with a random number and go from there === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] uh. why does acpi-support depend on finger? :) [10:39] special :-) [10:39] dholbach, Mithrandir: any opinion on bug #131530? [10:39] Launchpad bug 131530 in bluez-gnome "'Browse device...' in the bluetooth applet is useless without gnome-vfs-obexftp" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131530 [10:40] seb128: bluez-gnome should depend on gnome-vfs-obexftp? [10:40]