[08:29] <boss> hi,i am new bie in ubuntu.I want to know how to install ubuntu in the client machines from the local server where internet connection is not available.I have CD rom drive only in a single machine(server).
[11:49] <booxter> Hello! I'm a Belarusian Latin translator and I would like to see Ubuntu LiveCD and installer to be Belarusian-Latin supported. What should I do to take the goal? Is there a technical possibility for doing this?
[01:05] <mpt> booxter, you want to translate the installer into Belarusian?
[01:05] <booxter> mpt, yes
[01:06] <mpt> booxter, you can do that on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:07] <mpt> booxter, for example, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+lang/be
[01:07] <booxter> Launchpad technically doesn't support our be@latin locale...
[01:08] <booxter> so we need some kind of "manual" way of translation
[01:08] <mpt> Oh, I'm sorry, that's Belarusian Cyrillic, isn't it
[01:08] <mpt> You want Belarusian Latin
[01:08] <mpt> ok, so you need to get Belarusian Latin registered in Launchpad
[01:09] <booxter> yes, we need
[01:09] <booxter> but there is a known bug that prevents us from doing so
[01:09] <booxter> sr@Latn (Serbian Latin) also has such problem
[01:09] <cjwatson> getting the installer to support that is a lot harder
[01:09] <cjwatson> you really need to get it done upstream in Debian
[01:09] <booxter> our locale technically is a variant of "be" locale
[01:10] <cjwatson> simply having the translation there isn't enough - localechooser needs to support it too
[01:10] <mpt> oh
[01:10] <cjwatson> and it takes an enormous number of uploads of individual components to Ubuntu to add a new language, diverging each of them from Debian individually
[01:10] <cjwatson> so I prefer not to do it that way, and to ask people to get the base installer translated in Debian first
[01:12] <booxter> So should we at first translate debian installer?
[01:12] <cjwatson> right
[01:12] <booxter> are there any significant changes between vanilla installer and ubuntu one?
[01:12] <cjwatson> yes
[01:12] <cjwatson> so just translating the Debian installer won't be enough, but it's the first step
[01:13] <booxter> hm, as I know there are several "levels" of Debian translation
[01:13] <booxter> what levels are sinificant for Ubuntu, what are less?
[01:13] <booxter> And after what level can we incorporate Ubuntu version of installer to make sure we are ready?
[01:14] <cjwatson> level 1 is the only one that's a blocker here
[01:14] <cjwatson> obviously the rest don't hurt
[01:15] <mpt> booxter, I'm discussing it in #launchpad with one of the Launchpad Translations developers
[01:15] <booxter> Are other levels not used for Ubuntu version?
[01:15] <mpt> Apparently Cyrillic->Latin conversion can be done automatically for Serbian, and maybe for Belarusian too
[01:16] <mpt> but there's no schedule for implementing it yet
[01:16] <booxter> mpt, we in Belarusian community already begins to use such translation, but not fully automatically (because we use different convensions and so on)
[01:16] <cjwatson> booxter: they're used to one extent or another, but some particular packages there are less important than others and in any event it doesn't usually block switching on a language in localechooser
[01:17] <cjwatson> there's a point at which packages begin to become subject to language packs, at which point it all gets a lot easier for you
[01:17] <cjwatson> but the core installer, mostly the stuff in level 1 plus dpkg, apt, tasksel, probably a couple of others I forget right now, isn't subject to language packs because this is all before language packs get installed
[01:17] <booxter> cjwatson, we already reported a bug about Language chooser
[01:18] <cjwatson> you did? where?
[01:18] <cjwatson> I won't fix it directly in Ubuntu anyway - like I say, this really needs to be done in Debian first otherwise the maintenance burden for us to diverge every installer component from Debian is intolerable
[01:19] <cjwatson> but I'm more than happy to support the language once the basic bits are done in Debian and uploaded there
[01:22] <booxter> hm, ok, we'll do our best for Debian Installer and after level 1 will come here again:)
[01:25] <cjwatson> sounds lovely
[01:25] <booxter> ;)
[01:44] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2316 ubiquity/debian/ (79 files in 2 dirs): * Update translations from Rosetta.
[02:09] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2317 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[02:09] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: choose-mirror 2.15ubuntu2,
[02:09] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  debian-installer-utils 1.48ubuntu2.
[02:22] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2318 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): * Disable the intro message, as Ubuntu 7.10 is approaching.
[02:38] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2319 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.6.2
[04:23] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2320 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.6.3
[04:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2321 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[04:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Remember to not use the migration-assistant dbfilter when using
[04:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  --no-migration-assistant, again (LP: #148766).
[04:43] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2322 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/ (kde_ui.py noninteractive.py): Apply the previous change to the kde and noninteractive frontends.
[04:47] <mebrown> cjwatson, saw your commit for #149159 (console reboot message). is this in todays daily build?
[04:48] <cjwatson> it should be$ wget -q -O- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-i386.manifest | grep ^casper
[04:48] <cjwatson> casper 1.109
[04:48] <cjwatson> yes
[04:48] <mebrown> thx.
[04:48] <mebrown> did you see my email about language packs?
[04:49] <mebrown> really need some help with that one, as I am not a debian/dpkg/apt expert
[04:49] <cjwatson> language-pack-* shouldn't have external dependencies
[04:49] <cjwatson> it's only a problem at all if you need language-support-* too
[04:50] <mebrown> I want a complete and good experience for our non-english-speaking customers
[04:50] <cjwatson> evand: could you help mebrown out? I have a deadline of today for UDS planning
[04:50] <evand> cjwatson: sure
[04:51] <cjwatson> germinate may be useful
[04:51] <mebrown> ok. I looked at debmirror yesterday and it didnt seem useful (no dependency tracking, afaict)
[04:51] <mebrown> I'll take a look at germinate.
[04:52] <cjwatson> debmirror does not follow dependencies
[04:54] <evand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement might help with setting up a seed for germinate.
[04:54] <mebrown> thanks. reading...
[05:03] <mebrown> evand: regarding noninteractive... doesnt work
[05:03] <evand> mebrown: where does it fall over?
[05:03] <mebrown> No cut-n-paste, but it traces back:
[05:03] <mebrown> frontend/noninteractive.py, line 133 in watch_debconf_fd_helper
[05:03] <cjwatson> I would avoid trying text installs in gutsy. They aren't well enough tested.
[05:04] <mebrown>   return callback(souce, dbbconf_condition)
[05:04] <cjwatson> at least not using ubiquity
[05:04] <mebrown> file ubituqity/filteredcommand.py, line 179 in process_input
[05:04] <mebrown> file ubituqity/filteredcommand.py, line 112, process_line
[05:04] <mebrown> ubiquity/debocnffilter.py, line 236
[05:04] <mebrown> file ubiquity/components/language.py line 105
[05:05] <mebrown> file ubiquity/filteredcommand.py, line 359 in run
[05:05] <mebrown>   -> if not self.frontend.installing:
[05:05] <mebrown> AttributeError: wizard instance has no attribute 'installing'
[05:05] <mebrown> and it starts X before falling over.
[05:06] <mebrown> What I am trying to accomplish:
[05:06] <mebrown> Need to have a way to install machines that potentially dont have X support in the current gutsy image
[05:06] <cjwatson> mebrown: I understand your need, but 7.10 isn't yet ready to fill it with the live CD
[05:06] <mebrown> ok.
[05:06] <mebrown> we can respin the image, I suppose
[05:07] <mebrown> if we get a machine like this.
[05:07] <cjwatson> we should be able to fix the specific bug above though
[05:07] <mebrown> or, can probably force vesa mode
[05:07] <cjwatson> I think that's more likely to work
[05:07] <mebrown> just want to make sure I have a fallback
[05:07] <cjwatson> oh, forcing vesa should be pretty safe
[05:07] <mebrown> because we *always* get machines that come down with no X support (we install addon stuff in post)
[05:08] <mebrown> evand, did you need a lp?
[05:08] <evand> mebrown: if it's not too much trouble
[05:08] <mebrown> ok.
[05:11] <mebrown> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/149473
[05:11] <evand> thank you
[05:14] <evand> cjwatson: I know you're busy, so feel free to respond to this whenever you have free time.  What is the reasoning for marking bugs as invalid in a package and then adding them to a different package, rather than just switching the package?
[05:15] <mebrown> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/149477
[05:16] <mebrown> I'm installing a machine now to try out germinate. Will probably have more questions in a couple hours, but it looks like this is probably what I want.
[05:18] <evand> great
[05:19] <cjwatson> evand: usually an accident
[05:19] <cjwatson> evand: note though that you can't just reassign from a package to an upstream project
[05:20] <cjwatson> so say if a bug is really a cdimage bug then it has to have a task opened on ubuntu-cdimage and the Ubuntu task rejected
[05:21] <evand> ok
[05:21] <evand> thanks
[06:19] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2323 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/noninteractive.py):
[06:19] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Update noninteractive frontend to use recent changes to
[06:19] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  FilteredCommand (LP: #149473).
[07:17] <bdmurray> cjwatson: Did you see my /etc/papersize question?
[07:22] <cjwatson> bdmurray: no
[07:27] <bdmurray> I believe there was a bug in ubiquity where papersize was not being set which is now fixed but what happens to people who installed with ubiquity before it was fixed.
[07:29] <bdmurray> It is probably a small number of people and I don't know how many things look at that file either.
[07:30] <cjwatson> there was a bug, upgrades aren't handled, it should probably be release-noted
[07:30] <cjwatson> a core library looks at that file which I believe a number of desktop applications use
[07:33] <bdmurray> Okay, do we have process for release noting things?
[07:33] <cjwatson> we need to create some release notes :-)
[07:33] <cjwatson> hang on a mo
[07:34] <cjwatson> aha, GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes
[07:34] <cjwatson> please feel free to add to that
[07:37] <bdmurray> Okay, will do.
[07:37] <bdmurray> Thanks.
[09:44] <mebrown> is there a bug in today's daily build regarding sudo?
[09:44] <mebrown> oem install
[09:44] <evand> not that I'm aware of
[09:44] <mebrown> when I create a user at firstboot, that user cant sudo
[09:44] <evand> hrm
[09:44] <mebrown> and I cant login as root
[09:44] <mebrown> since I didnt set pw
[09:44] <evand> I'm assuming they're not in the admin group?
[09:45] <mebrown> I think it has been there for a little bit since I saw that yesterday too
[09:45] <mebrown> correct, not in admin group
[09:45] <mebrown> groups=1000(dell)
[09:45] <mebrown> bug against firstboot?
[09:45] <mebrown> shouldnt that user be  created as an admin, since there isnt any other way to log in as root, otherwise?
[09:45] <mebrown> that is how it used to work.
[09:45] <mebrown> at least in feisty
[09:46] <cjwatson> I think it's a bug in your image
[09:46] <cjwatson> it normally is given admin privileges
[09:47] <mebrown> pulled fresh today, saw the same thing yesterday
[09:47] <cjwatson> are you creating any other non-system users or groups?
[09:47] <mebrown> no.
[09:47] <cjwatson> mebrown: ok, is this from the alternate or desktop CD?
[09:47] <mebrown> create 'oem' user in preseed
[09:47] <mebrown> this is the live cd
[09:47] <mebrown> booted with oem-mode and preseed
[09:47] <cjwatson> can I have your preseed file?
[09:47] <cjwatson> without passwords
[09:48] <mebrown> yup.
[09:48] <mebrown> just a sec, I'll post it.
[09:48] <cjwatson> a bug report on oem-config would be the best avenue
[09:50] <mebrown> cjwatson, email address?
[09:50] <cjwatson> mebrown: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+filebug
[09:50] <cjwatson> but if you'd really prefer e-mail, cjwatson@ubuntu.com
[09:50] <cjwatson> just that my inbox is a disaster area
[09:51] <mebrown> I'll file a bug
[09:51] <cjwatson> mebrown: I'm out for a bit now
[09:52] <cjwatson> fwiw
[09:53] <mebrown> just thought that would be the fastest way to get it to you
[09:53] <cjwatson> for the record, IRC is one of the worst possible ways to paste large quantities of stuff
[09:53] <mebrown> ok, sorry.
[09:53] <cjwatson> it sits there for ages gradually pasting line by line :-/
[09:54] <mebrown> just trying to figure out a quick way to get you the info.
[09:54] <cjwatson> anyway, have to go pick my wife up
[09:54] <mebrown> bug is being entered.
[09:54] <mebrown> have fun.
[09:55] <evand> mebrown: in the event that you do need to paste a large amount to IRC: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[09:55] <mebrown> ah, yes. I forget about that...
[09:57] <mebrown> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/149582