[02:31] <dthacker> @schedule chicago
[02:31] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 05 Oct 15:00: MOTU | 06 Oct 12:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Oct 07:00: Forum Council | 10 Oct 11:00: QA Team | 11 Oct 10:00: Community Development Team | 16 Oct 11:00: Kernel Team
[08:32] <kraut> moin
[01:25] <profoX`> Hi everyone. Can someone tell me when the next Community Council meeting takes place?
[01:26] <profoX`> I can't find it in the Fridge Event Calendar, and the wikipage says "next meeting: 27 september" :-)
[02:10] <popey> profoX`: if it's not on the wiki then it's not scheduled yet
[02:11] <profoX`> popey: oh okay, thank you :)
[02:11] <popey> np
[02:12] <zul> @schedule montreal
[02:12] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 05 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 06 Oct 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Oct 08:00: Forum Council | 10 Oct 12:00: QA Team | 11 Oct 11:00: Community Development Team | 16 Oct 12:00: Kernel Team
[04:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: did MootBot give you output? it's not in the output directory linked from the wiki
[04:48] <Mithrandir> mdz: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.log.20071004_1705.html (or http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20071004_1705.html)
[04:49] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:10] <jpatrick> isn't the MOTU meeting now?
[09:12] <pochu> @schedule
[09:12] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 05 Oct 20:00: MOTU | 06 Oct 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Oct 12:00: Forum Council | 10 Oct 16:00: QA Team | 11 Oct 15:00: Community Development Team | 16 Oct 16:00: Kernel Team
[09:15] <geser> jpatrick: in 45 minutes
[09:15] <jpatrick> ah, +2 here then
[10:06] <norsetto> * cough * * cough *
[10:07] <geser> let's see how else is here for a MOTU meeting
[10:09] <persia> I'll chair, if nobody else wants it.
[10:10] <geser> norsetto: let's see first if there are people attending the meeting
[10:10] <juliux> hi geser
[10:10] <norsetto> geser: do we need a quorum?
[10:11] <geser> norsetto: no, but without people attending a meeting is useless
[10:11] <geser> Hi juliux
[10:11] <ScottK> Hello.
[10:11] <geser> Hi ScottK
[10:11] <norsetto> geser: then, yes, we need it
[10:12] <persia> norsetto: It's more a matter of the topics of discussion.  For the fixed topics, it's usually safe to agree even without many people.
[10:13] <geser> is the agenda uptodate?
[10:14] <geser> the page still lists sep 21st as date
[10:14] <persia> I think the agenda is from the last meeting.  ScottK: is there more PPA discussion needed?
[10:14] <ScottK> No.  I don't think so.
[10:14] <ScottK> That does sound like from the last meeting.
[10:16] <ScottK> One PPA issue that I will mention since people are here is that currently if an orig.tar.gz has been uploaded to a PPA, Soyuz will think it has it already, not fetch it, and then fail to find it for a sync.
[10:16] <ScottK> So if a version has been in a PPA, syncs don't work out so well at the moment.
[10:17] <pochu> btw hello everybody :)
[10:17] <persia> ScottK: Surely that's a bug.
[10:17] <ScottK> persia: It is.
[10:17] <ScottK> But we've probably got it with us until after the Gutsy release, so FYI.
[10:19] <geser> ScottK: does this also affect new revisions or only new upstream versions?
[10:19] <ScottK> geser: I think it's just new upstream versions.
[10:19] <ScottK> If soyuz actually has the orig.tar.gz available it's fine.
[10:19] <geser> is a workaround known? in case one needs to sync a new version
[10:20] <ScottK> pitti has a script he's handed out to make the correct .changes package and upload it.  It's on one of his web pages.
[10:21] <ScottK> geser: It's the same one I used (when I shouldn't have) when I stepped on your websvn sync request.
[10:22] <persia> OK.  Welcome to the MOTU Meeting for 5th October 2007.  The Agenda is available from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings.
[10:23] <persia> Any volunteers to take / publish minutes?
[10:24] <persia> Thanks pochu
[10:24] <persia> OK.  First up: other business.  Anyone have anything they'd like to add to the agenda now?
[10:25] <ScottK> persia: I can whine and complain for a while if that would be helpful?
[10:25] <norsetto> hehehe
[10:25] <persia> ScottK: If you like, but given the attendance, the mailing lists might be a better forum :)
[10:25] <pochu> ScottK: that would mean more work for me on the minutes? no then! ;-)
[10:25] <norsetto> there is something we recently discussed with dholbach
[10:26] <norsetto> about the mentoring program
[10:26] <persia> norsetto: could you summarise it?
[10:26] <norsetto> sure, we would like to make the point of the situation
[10:27] <norsetto> how it is going, ways to improve, what we want to do in the future
[10:27] <norsetto> we would like to have a dedicated meeting to it, so I thought its a good idea to mention it here
[10:27] <norsetto> in case any of you is interested
[10:28] <persia> norsetto: That would probably benefit from some advertisement.  Perhaps it could be added to the agenda for next time?
[10:28] <norsetto> persia: if it helps, sure
[10:29] <persia> norsetto: if there's no time pressure, it's best to put things on in advance so that interested people can be sure to make it.
[10:29] <persia> Anyone else have any other items?
[10:30] <pochu> I'm wondering whether it's still interesting to make a meeting every 2 weeks. Maybe they should be every 3 weeks or once a month, since the agenda is usually a bit empty... WDYT?
[10:30] <pochu> Or maybe we should give a beer to everybody which attends the meetings... although then ScottK would always be drunk :)
[10:31] <pkern> Hah.
[10:31] <ScottK> pochu: If it was Scotch, sure.
[10:31] <bddebian> w00t, I'll show up more often! :-)
[10:32] <ScottK> pochu: Be sure to get that in the minutes.
[10:32] <pochu> wow, it seems to work :-)
[10:33] <ScottK> I think we should stay with every two weeks.  It's a little slow now just before release, but once we start on Hardy stuff I think there will be more to argue about <<<< discuss.
[10:35] <geser> I think too we should stay at two weeks, I doubt that 4 weeks will get more topics to the agenda and more attendees
[10:35] <norsetto> an hour every two weeks seems very reasonable to me, mind you that with the rotating timetable you would not be able to attend them all
[10:36] <persia> Based on discussion, let's stick with two weeks for now.
[10:37] <persia> Any other other business?
[10:37] <pochu> Sure, sounds ok. But don't forget the free beer if you come to the meetings!
[10:38] <geser> +1 :)
[10:39] <pkern> I guess we should discuss the details with dholbach ;)
[10:39] <persia> Next on our agenda: agree on date & time of next meeting.
[10:40] <persia> Given the previous discussion, 19th October is the candidate date.  What time?
[10:42] <geser> +/- 8h?
[10:42] <persia> geser: Sounds good.
[10:42] <persia> Please vote for preferences between 04:00 and 12:00
[10:42] <norsetto> 12:00
[10:43] <geser> 12:00
[10:43] <pochu> 12:00
[10:43] <ScottK> 12:00 (this is UTC, right?)
[10:43] <persia> ScottK: Yes.
[10:43] <persia> Anyone for 04:00?
[10:44] <ScottK> persia: Of course those who would prefer that likely aren't here today.
[10:44] <geser> TheMuso mail about meeting times didn't get many answers
[10:45] <norsetto> scottK: can't we propose a time and ask in the list to confirm it (or otherwise)?
[10:45] <ScottK> Sure.
[10:45] <ScottK> Just saying.
[10:45] <norsetto> scottk: quite truly too
[10:46] <persia> OK.  Next meeting with be 19th October, 12:00 UTC unless there is dissension after posting to the mailing list.  Any volunteers to make the announcement?
[10:46] <pochu> I can do it with the minutes.
[10:46] <persia> pochu: Thanks.
[10:47] <persia> Next agenda item: Next REVU day.  As this is for Hardy, I think it's safe to skip.
[10:47] <ScottK> Agreed.
[10:47] <persia> Next agenda item: next Q&A session time.  Any volunteers to run one?
[10:47] <ScottK> How's the UUS queue looking these days?
[10:47] <ScottK> persia: I volunteer dholbach.
[10:47] <norsetto> reasonable
[10:48] <pochu> lol
[10:48] <ScottK> He's the one that wanted to keep them going.  Looking at the logs of the last one there didn't seem to be much except a new Canonical guy looking for a rubber stamp.
[10:48] <persia> ScottK: Great.  You'll be in charge of recruiting him, and getting an annoucement to the mailing list?
[10:49] <ScottK> persia: No.  If it's up to me, I'd just cancel the whole thing.
[10:49] <ScottK> Just have pochu put it in the minutes.
[10:49] <ScottK> We'll get told if we were wrong.
[10:49] <ScottK> He didn't want to do it next time, he should have come to the meeting.
[10:49] <persia> OK.  If there's no volunteer to run the session, let's not schedule one, and ask for volunteers to announce any ad-hoc session to the mailing list.
[10:50] <ScottK> I'm perfectly fine with that.
[10:50] <ScottK> My vote was to do away with them.
[10:51] <persia> Anyone have any final items for discussion?
[10:53] <persia> Thank you all for coming to the meeting.
[10:53] <ajmitch> oh, there's a meeting on, what a shame
[10:53] <norsetto> thank you persia for chairing
[10:53] <geser> ajmitch: there was a meeting
[10:59] <mralphabet> @schedule
[11:10] <pkern> @schedule Europe/Berlin
[11:10] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 05 Oct 22:00: MOTU | 06 Oct 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 10 Oct 14:00: Forum Council | 10 Oct 18:00: QA Team | 11 Oct 17:00: Community Development Team | 16 Oct 18:00: Kernel Team