=== XSource [n=XSource@41.201.227.51] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-134.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] nixternal: ping === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@152.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=beuno@44-111-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] imbrandon: pong? === d33p__ [n=d33p@152.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] imbrandon: highlight me when you come back, I am working on a paper and will have irssi tucked away in yakuake === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] nixternal: i was just gonna let you know there was a bunch of wordpress database errors on blog.nixternal.com ( i was adding a link to my blogroll ) [01:19] ya [01:19] stupid 2.3 update [01:19] yea i'm customizing my 2.3 install now [01:19] I is odd, the one that is causing errors isn't causing errors in the other part...I need to go through the code and probably change the post2cat to post2term and what not [01:19] s/I/It [01:20] we all know I am already odd [01:20] heh well actualy i think there was a script to fix the db on planet.debian.org the orther day [01:20] I think categories -> terms, cat_id -> term_id, and I forgot the other one I need to look at [01:20] hrmm, I will take a look at it === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] that stupid blog has been annoying as all hell [01:21] heh i just re-did mine today after months [01:21] fresh install [01:21] my admin page hasn't worked for the past 3 releases, and wordpress devs said it was my servers fault, and then when I upgrade to 2.3, it all of a sudden works again [01:22] you going to UDS? [01:22] heh [01:22] not sure [01:22] ya same here...I am going to try and at least hit up fosscamp and meet up with some of the KDE guys [01:23] i like my theme alot better now [01:23] but i still am tweaking it for tags now [01:23] ahh, congrats btw...didn't know you got married [01:24] of course I have to read it on your freakin' blog :p [01:24] heh yea a few months ago === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macogw [n=maco@unaffiliated/macogw] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] Oh dear, not mplayer patches :( [01:51] The mplayer codebase *suck*. [01:52] *sucks [01:55] Fujitsu: heh === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] imbrandon: welcome back to the cult btw === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@123.200.138.140] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] zul: :) [01:58] It has been almost a year since their last release candidate, and the diff since is absolutely enormous. === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-dd33d13ff3ab0b9a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] is there a core-dev i can borrow for a minute i was told i need a core0dev to sponser a source changing backport [02:07] core-dev even === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] i made a source package for fusion-icon, the little notification-tray icon that lets you control compiz-fusion like beryl had. compiz is in main, but can i still submit the fusion-icon source package to motu? [02:12] macogw: yes === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] and what kind of numbering should the version have? i put it in my ppa on launchpad beta with fusion-icon-0.0.0~git20070930-0ubuntu1-maco2 (it took me 2 tries to get build-deps right) because it's version according to the source is 0.0.0-git and i checked it out of git on sept 30 [02:16] imbrandon: ^ [02:17] macogw: I'd probably say 0.0.0+git20070930-0ubuntu1 for the one in Ubuntu, and 0.0.0+git20070930-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for your PPA. [02:18] ok === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussio1 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rick_h [n=rick_h@dns2.avwsystems.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] is anyone interested in merging bochsbios from debian to fix Bug #123185? [02:26] Launchpad bug 123185 in bochs "bochsbios too old for Windows XP with qemu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123185 === jdong_ [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === heyko [i=heyko@unaffiliated/heyko] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rick_h [n=rick_h@dns2.avwsystems.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:35] Google isn't helping [02:35] why does virtualbox ose have a dfsg [02:35] upstream has a bad track record [02:35] bluefoxicy: did you take a look at debian/copyright? [02:36] hrm whats the crontab ubuntu uses ? anacron ? === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] azeem: something about removing microsoft files? [02:36] I don't know, I'm just saying debian/copyright is the obvious place to look [02:37] bluefoxicy: is removing microsoft files a bad thing? i thought deleting microsoft's products from a computer were called "fixing" it [02:37] macogw: it's not marked "Debian did this because of DFSG" [02:37] so I don't know why it's there :) [02:37] where is it marked? [02:37] also I'm reading /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-ose/copyright [02:38] Due to license issues, parts of the Guest Additions have to be removed from the [02:38] sourcecode. Some of the files were (c) Microsoft with an license which have to be [02:38] considered non-free. [02:38] ^^^ No indication if Innotek said "Yeah we deleted this" or if Debian just tacked that onto the end of pre-existing copyright from Innotek or what :) [02:38] hola here [02:39] but ok === jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zenton [n=vicente@212.166.192.134] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-75-228.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=marcin@194.114.146.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slangasek [i=vorlon@dsl093-039-086.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Heya gang === apachelogger_ [n=me@N880P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] can someone tell me how to get Ubuntu's dch -i to not append "ubuntu" to the version number when preparing an upload of an Ubuntu-specific package? [03:08] The backspace key? :-) === avoine [n=avoine@bas12-montrealak-1167980250.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:10] kinda defeats the purpose of having a tool with commandline options, doesn't it? [03:10] also, I'm left worried that dch -i has been modified in other ways that are inappropriate for this upload === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] It adds a changelog entry, how much more can it be modified? [03:14] heya bddebian [03:14] Hi imbrandon_ [03:14] why should I assume that a package with one wrong behavior has *only* one wrong behavior? [03:15] It's not the *wrong* behaviour when it's intended. It's just *wrong* for what you want it to do [03:15] actualy thats the correct behavure but in this case you can see the outp[ut [03:18] slangasek: You are certiainly welcome to add a changelog entry by hand if you don't "trust" dch [03:18] no, "no one's figured out how to detect the difference between Ubuntu-specific and Debian packages and adjust the behavior accordingly" != "correct" === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] What denotes an "ubuntu-specific" package? [03:19] slangasek: a debian package should be built and worked on in a debian chroot thus with debians dch [03:21] bddebian: is that a thinly-veiled attempt to trick me into working out the solution for this bug on the spot, or is it really not obvious to you what I mean by "Ubuntu-specific"? [03:22] Not it is not obvious. If you mean a native package, at times those come from or go back to Debian as well so we typically make -0ubuntuX versions [03:23] fine then, I mean ubuntulooks [03:24] ahh you mean native package, not "ubuntu-specific" [03:24] I can see a case for using ubuntu version numbers for such a package as well, but in practice that's not what's been done [03:24] imbrandon_: no, I mean Ubuntu-specific. [03:24] ubuntulooks iirc is a native package is it not ? [03:24] nope [03:25] then why are you not appending ubuntuX ? [03:25] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/ubuntulooks/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-7/changelog [03:26] weird [03:26] i am building packages with epochs, but the final deb does not show the epoch (e.g. 2% for 2) in the version number [03:27] slangasek: I would say that because probably 90 some % or more of our changes append ubuntuX, it makes sense but if you feel it's wrong, you can certainly take it up with #u-devel or file a bug. [03:27] hrm and i still dont see how you think ubuntulooks is not a native package, looks native to me === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] imbrandon: It would probably never go to Debian since it's specific to Ubuntu so it makes sense. [03:31] right , the very definition of native [03:31] no, the definition of native is "has no diff.gz". [03:31] Aye [03:32] well if ubuntu is the upstream as it looks to be in this case [03:32] then that matters not [03:32] its a packageing mistake [03:32] dosent make it non-native [03:32] no, you're using the term "native" to mean something it doesn't. [03:34] no [03:34] the package has a non-native version number an non-native packaging; it's not native by any definition, whether or not you think it should be === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] ok so lets reverse this then and i'll conceede to its not native, that still dosent mean its *shouldent* have a ubuntuX version per our guidelines even if it hasent been done in the past by that reasoning [03:36] slangasek ^ [03:37] that's fair [03:37] jdong: miss a channel? === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] Heya Hobbsee === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] heya bddebian === rob [i=rob@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] What size are menu icons supposed to be again? 32x32? === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] bddebian: yea afaik [04:49] Thx :) === Gazer [n=gazer@200.68.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.4.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] http://pastebin.com/mb63fed2 <-- known? [05:07] gutsy === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.101.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] mekius: I've heard that many times, I'd say known. === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] jdong: ok :) [05:12] wasn't sure, i don't use ubuntu, working on a project to build a live cd [05:12] and i've been cursing apt for years heh === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@123.200.138.140] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua sighs. [05:21] Are these "symlinking doc dir to save space" changes tested at all? [05:22] You would think having one "fail to install" bug two weeks before release is already too many, let alone two. [05:28] What fun would it be without? :-) === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] Good, the US mirror has the fixed version now. === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] how do i make a debdiff without the /tmp/ changes showing up? [05:53] If you are diffing the resulting .dsc files there shouldn't be any /tmp/ changes [05:54] ther eis for some reason though [05:54] as in like debian/tmp/foo ? [05:55] do you have patchutils installed? [05:55] bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615/ [05:55] slangasek: no i dont [05:55] maybe that would help? [05:56] Ah, you need that :-) [05:56] ah [05:56] yes, you should have gotten a warning message about the inability to use interdiff [05:56] aye [05:58] gnomefreak: Also, you didn't have to regenerate any files did you? Like autoreconf or anything? [05:59] bano [05:59] bddebian: no [05:59] It was patchutils? [06:00] bddebian: dont know give me a few minutes g/f is talking/yelling at me [06:00] Oh, heh === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] Oh bano was a tab completion error .. :-) === mneptok [n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] gnomefreak: and you're listening? === tonyyarusso ignores once it transitions to yelling [06:07] yes i have to listen [06:07] bddebian: no it didnt help === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] hmmmm [06:08] yep still gives the tmp shit [06:09] hmmmmmmm [06:10] no matter how i do it it comes with the cruft [06:11] Oh holy crap, you are debdiffing a totally new upstream version? === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] right, that's the other case where debdiff will give you that - it can't use interdiff because of the nature of the changes so it has to unpack everything to /tmp [06:16] is there a way to prevent this? [06:16] not use debdiff on things that are changed so much that they have to be unpacked to compare? :) [06:16] i was thinking maybe building with -i,bzr [06:17] slangasek: to fix this can i remove all tmp sections? [06:17] remove what then? [06:17] in the debdiff [06:17] gnomefreak: Why are you trying to debdiff an newer version? [06:17] it's hard for me to give any concrete recommendations here without seeing the package in question [06:17] bddebian: backport [06:18] Hrm [06:19] hobbsee got mad because the tmp stuff was in there she fixed it (removed tmp sections) but never showed me the fixed debdiff [06:20] oh and told me never to give her anything like that again [06:23] gnomefreak: To be honest, I don't see big problem with your debdiff. [06:23] she said it failed to build iirc [06:23] failed to apply [06:23] not build [06:24] I would never apply a debdiff for an upstream version change but what do I know [06:24] Looks like it should've applied with -p 3. [06:24] bddebian: flashplugin-nonfree is special. A new upstream means a changed MD5 hash :) [06:24] RAOF: -p4, I believe. [06:25] minghua: Whatever :) Increment p until it applies cleanly :) [06:25] she tried p0 and p1 [06:26] -p3 [06:26] but at that point it is probably simpler to just provide a tarball [06:27] RAOF: Don't all new upstream versions? [06:28] They would all have new orig.tar.gz === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] bddebian: Yeah, but the flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't include anything but debian/ [06:29] Ah [06:30] There's no .orig.tar.gz :) [06:34] can someone look at this and tell me if all looks good. http://paste.ubuntu.com/616/ [06:35] main concern is the /flashplugin-nonfree-..... in the diff headers/lines === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mumbly [n=mumbly@s2ii.homeunix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === perher [n=per@c-51f872d5.1316-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=d33p@ubuntu/member/luisbg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] Gnight folks === ccheney [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-68-138.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora80 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-61e8e9201922765e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] hi ... I would like to upload on REVU. Got a launchpad account and i'm a member of Ubuntu Universe Contributors team... Could you re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring as described on the REVU wiki page ? 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[08:58] What SEGV'd? [08:59] you can file a bug on whatever segfaulted? :) [08:59] And if you build it locally does it segfault? [08:59] (what package?) [08:59] norsetto: do you have the build log? [09:00] StevenK: its an ia64 build [09:00] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9800524/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-ia64.gnome-mplayer_0.5.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [09:00] I've so seen this before on ia64 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] Okay, I've not [09:01] Setting up shared-mime-info (0.22-2ubuntu2) ... [09:01] Segmentation fault [09:01] norsetto: So your first step is to buy an ia64. [09:01] :-P [09:01] nah, your first step is to find the fix for this a while back in Debian [09:02] because I'm pretty sure I've seen that one get fixed over there [09:02] (but not in shared-mime-info itself I guess, which is current) [09:03] alternatively you can leave it for lamont to figure out :) [09:08] the funny things is that this same version was not sigsegv before .... === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] then my money is on libxml2 [09:10] slangasek: ok, let me check [09:16] slangasek: there is a recent change for libxml2, but its just a rebuild [09:19] norsetto, slangasek: debian bug 439843 fixes my evolution crashing on startup (and other occurences of crashers with other gnome apps) - is http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/libxml2.debdiff OK for upload? [09:19] Debian bug 439843 in libxml2 "libxml2: Version 2.6.30.dfsg-1 breaks Azureus and evolution (until now)" [Critical,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/439843 [09:19] (I just said that in #ubuntu-devel) [09:19] it seems to fix __xmlParserInputBufferCreateFilename() sort of crashers [09:21] norsetto: seems that doko already has an upload queued up with that fix [09:22] dholbach: ok, I was about to issue a bug report but I'll wait to see if that fixes it, thx [09:22] let's hope the upload is accepted soon [09:22] bug 147144 for reference [09:22] Launchpad bug 147144 in libxml2 "xslt:copy element is broken in 2.6.29" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147144 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F759B3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] hi ... I would like to upload on REVU. Got a launchpad account and i'm a member of Ubuntu Universe Contributors team... Could you re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring as described on the REVU wiki page ? Thanx [09:49] MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 10 minutes === TLE [n=kenneth@s021749.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] Is it just me, or has work been done on GNOME to make it perform better on older hardware? === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7398B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.4.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@ns1.clipsalportal.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] morning all === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-25-170.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] hey thekorn, hey huats [10:45] hey dholbach [10:46] how's it going? === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x535b946c.vgnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:11] mumbly: I would suggest you to wait until tomorrow. The keyring is automatically resynced during the European night. [11:12] revu isnt. [11:12] pkern: i'm assuming that's what you're meaning? [11:14] Hobbsee: Uh, is it broken? [11:14] pkern: has been since the great canonical community machines loco stuff breakage. [11:14] i.e. didn't siretart re-cron it? (Ok I didn't read exactly that, I only assumed it.) [11:15] Heh. [11:15] he may well hvae done, he didnt mention it to me [11:15] if it still poitns to sparky, though... [11:15] Ok. He's away now anyway. [11:16] Ew. DNS does not respond. [11:16] dat not good. [11:16] right, so it must have moved machines then. [11:16] which means the cron is likely to supposed to be on [11:18] Considering that tauware.de's DNS servers are all down, it's probably another problem. [11:19] Yeah, back up (: [11:19] sorry, all i was saying was the the machine that it was on, si still up [11:19] Still points to sparky. [11:19] so siretart should appear real soon now === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] oh, taht's interesting. === man-di [n=mkoch@enough.dyndns.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] ah yes, must have been dns only, as i could ping sparky, by another address. [11:20] there we are. [11:20] siretart: cron resync hasnt been turned back on, has it? [11:22] asac: sorry to bother you again with bug #138167, but is there something I can do about the last comment from pkern ? (daniel told me to see that with you) [11:22] Launchpad bug 138167 in gmail-notify "gmail-notify menu item tooltip is not HIG compliant" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138167 [11:23] huats: If he confirms that it's ok to call it iceweasel-torbuttom I'm ok with that. [11:23] bug 138167 === lbm [n=lbm@0x535b946c.vgnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] Wrong bug no ;) [11:23] ok ;) [11:23] huats: ? [11:23] asac: sorry === apachelogger__ [n=me@N822P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:24] bug #137513 [11:24] Launchpad bug 137513 in torbutton "[UNMETDEPS] torbutton: auto-synced, depends on iceweasel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137513 [11:24] that is the correct one [11:25] huats: since when do we have that package? [11:25] I think gutsy, let me check [11:25] huats: you could at least produce a binary package: torbutton-extension ... and provide a transitional package for iceweasel-torbutton [11:25] huats: did it ever build? [11:26] huats: if not, just rename the binary package name like above [11:26] asac: It was uninstallable. [11:26] asac: Due to the non-satisfyable iceweasel dep. Ever since. [11:26] it is installable right now, since I added a dependency on firefox too [11:26] huats: ok .. rename the binary package name then ... renaming the source is not needed for now. [11:26] yes, but its not in the archive === apachelogger_ [n=me@N822P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] huats: i think that renaming just the binary is good, because then we will still get merges from debian et al. [11:27] ok so I rebuild it with anothr binary name [11:27] ok [11:27] yeah [11:27] please don't include the mozilla product name === lamego [n=Future@89.152.209.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] thats bad in my personal opinion [11:27] mozilla is evil ..... [11:28] e.g. torbutton-extension [11:28] ok [11:28] some might think different, but i don't see the real benefit of it [11:29] huats: could you verify wheteher app-install includes torbutton alreaedy? [11:29] norsetto: Look at that: [11:29] [troubadix] ~ > aptitude search iceweasel|grep 'lightweight' [11:29] i iceweasel - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla [11:29] Same for firefox, but not Ubuntu box reachable one SSH hop away. [11:30] asac: I will .... or I'll ask someone do to it for me, since I cannot at the moment upgrade to something higher that tribe4 [11:30] asac: and if it includes it, I'll do my best to change it [11:33] huats: why can't you upgrade? [11:34] asac: network connection problems... [11:34] asac: cannot do that at my company office (forbidde to plug my own computer) and no internet connection at home (I just moved) [11:39] yeah ... try to find someone to help out then :) === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] lucas: the version you depends on in your ubuntu-dev-tools patch is not in ubuntu yet === aplg [n=me@N822P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:40] grrrrr, I was stupid enough to upload it [11:42] lucas: so you need the patch in debian bug 445144 for it to work? [11:42] Debian bug 445144 in reportbug "reportbug: please add support for Usertags: pseudo-headers" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/445144 === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] Hobbsee: is bug 123414 fixed with your upload? [11:42] Launchpad bug 123414 in reportbug "reportbug shouldn't unconditionally attempt to relay via fiordland" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123414 === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:43] lucas: I'll back out the patch again :-/ [11:44] dholbach: nope [11:44] hi all === _Shoragan [n=shoragan@datenfreihafen.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:48] asac: in which package it might be present to be in the app-install ? is it app-install-data ? [11:48] Hobbsee: ok thanks === amarillion [n=martijn@137.120.91.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@37-149.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.231.153] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] This is odd: if I do "fakeroot debian/rules binary", my new package builds just fine, but if I do "debuild -b -rfakeroot", I get a linker error. [12:06] Doesn't debuild simply call debian/rules binary? What is different? [12:07] dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot work? [12:08] trying... yes it does [12:08] but pbuilder doesn't work [12:09] the difference is that calling "fakeroot debian/rules binary" runs all targets under fakeroot, whereas debuild -b first calls debian/rules build and then calls fakeroot debian/rules binary [12:11] ok... so I guess that means my rules file is screwed up, because normally binary depends on build, right? [12:11] no [12:11] that is, it doesn't automatically mean it's a problem with the rules file [12:14] Ok, but if I do "fakeroot debian/rules clean" "debian/rules build" and "fakeroot debian/rules binary" it still works. [12:15] I'm thinking I must have two versions of a static library around [12:19] huats: yes [12:19] huats: let me check [12:21] I fixed it :) Indeed I had two version of liballegro === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@37-149.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] now the build consistently fails :p === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ian_brasil [n=ian@dasasob.nokia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] dholbach: that's mentioned in the LP bug report [12:48] lucas: yeah, apparently it was not obvious enough for me at that time of day === Kmos_ [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] :-) === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] but it'll be nice to have === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] dholbach: if you can review the reportbug patch, maybe we could integrate it [12:52] I didn't upload because I'm not a python expert, and prefered someone else to review it so late in the release cycle [12:53] lucas: the patch looks ok to me, I would somehow just have preferred it to be in upstream first [12:53] but maybe somebody else is more comfortable uploading it [12:54] regarding reportbug's bug status, it's unlikely to happen really soon ... [12:54] I need some advice for building a meta package [12:54] hrm [12:54] Is is better to build it as a binary or a source package? [12:55] there is no 'OR' - you need the source package to build the binary from that [12:56] dholbach: It's not that kind of binary I mean [12:56] dholbach: It's the type where you create the directory in debian/ yourself [12:57] mok0: what do you mean then? [12:57] does apt-get source meta-telepathy help as an example? [12:57] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ === rexbron [i=root@brandine.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 looks at meta-telepathy [12:59] mok0: Normally in Debian/Ubuntu a meta package is a package which depends on other packages in order to allow you to install a suite of packages as one. [12:59] broonie: this one needs no dependencies. It only needs to run a maintainer script to modify /etc/profile [01:00] meta-telepathy could do as a template... === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] Like I say, that's not what people would normally call a meta package in Ubuntu. [01:01] broonie: what would you call it? [01:02] Just a package. [01:02] broonie: Ah :-) [01:03] Well, thanks, I think I can go on from here... === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-12-54.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles__ [n=pgquiles@103.Red-88-25-198.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bueroman [n=setanta@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdthood [n=jdthood@x100.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.191.61] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] In a maintainer script, can you count on grep and sed being there? [01:32] if they're priority essential, iirc yes [01:33] They are, thx === TheMuso kicks the itnernode mirror VERY VERY hard! Its been broken all damn day! [01:34] internode even === mumbly [n=mumbly@s2ii.homeunix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] Good morning all [01:41] hi ScottK [01:42] Hello Hobbsee. [01:46] <_MMA_> dholbach: Ubuntu likes to push the for art but it can be anything that fits the DFSG right? [01:46] <_MMA_> gah [01:46] _MMA_: what do you mean? [01:46] <_MMA_> *Ubuntu likes to push the CC-Share Alike ... [01:47] <_MMA_> (missed some text.) [01:47] morning [01:47] _MMA_: if you use some dfsg license, that's cool [01:48] Hello ScottK [01:48] hello mok0. [01:48] <_MMA_> dholbach: Ok. I thought I saw a preference from Ubuntu at one time. Just trying to clarify. [01:48] _MMA_: you can ask kwwii about that too [01:53] <_MMA_> dholbach: Yeah. I think he was a little unsure outside of CC-Share Alike as well. No big deal. Just making up rules for art submission on the wiki. ;) [01:53] _MMA_: for ubuntustudio? [01:55] <_MMA_> Specifically for us but I was wondering for Ubuntu as well as I am helping out somewhat there. [01:58] <_MMA_> dholbach: ie: Im working on the rules for Ubuntu Studio now but the question arouse days ago in #ubuntu-artwork and kwwii just mentioned CC-Share Alike. So I just needed to know if it applied to all Ubuntu projects. Guess not. :) === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl5400C551.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] if you decide to use some other dfsg license, that's fine [02:00] hi scottk [02:00] Hi norsetto === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto hugs Hobbsee (its a long time he didn't, so there) === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] dholbach: do you have the logs of this morning session somewhere? [02:04] norsetto: yes, in .xchat2/xchatlogs :) === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:05] dholbach, hi. me from the libvisual-plugin patches. if you diffstat the diff file instead of the debdiff it gets a clean result. see, when i was unpacking the previous version, i removed debian's autotooling crud, which is now regenerated in 90_ [02:05] dholbach: off!? [02:05] norsetto: I'll upload it in a sec [02:05] DarkMageZ: hm? I don't understand [02:06] DarkMageZ: I just don't understand why the debdiff is so big? [02:08] dholbach, well, you see. 1ubuntu2 had autotool changes applied directly in the diff. so that was purged. then i've gone and made changes which make debians autotool stuff obsolete. then regenerated new useful copy into a patch aka 90_ [02:09] so the debdiff shows the removing of debian autotool cruft and a big patch which is the retooling. [02:09] ah ok [02:09] can you add that information on the bug report? [02:09] it's afew comments up i thought [02:10] oh ok [02:10] norsetto: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/motu-qa.log === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.194.80] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] dholbach, ah. i'll add a comment on that. looks like i only told persia on irc [02:14] ok great [02:15] Yay@lool wants to become a MOTu, too. (: === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] Uh, he has a canonical.com address. [02:19] pkern: surprised? :P === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] lucas: Difficult question. ;-) [02:24] Has he ever been here? I don't recall seeing that nick. [02:24] You don't have to be here to get MOTU? ;o) He attended the QA meeting. [02:24] which QA meeting? [02:25] ah you mean Q&A ? [02:25] Yeah sorry. [02:25] pkern: damn what am i doing here then [02:26] zul: It helps. ;) [02:26] zul: pkern meant that the alternative solution is to get a job at canonical, probably ;) [02:26] that usually works [02:26] lucas: DD bonus and some contacts with the MOTU council members could also be sufficient I guess. ;) [02:27] Speaking of MOTU Council... [02:27] dholbach: How goes the process for finding MC nominees? [02:29] ScottK: good, we passed a list on to TB and CC [02:29] Any timeline for them to pass on it? [02:29] I think the hardest part is done now [02:30] it won't be that long, I guess === cassidy [n=cassidy@pool-71-126-236-225.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === proppy [n=proppy@free2.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] hi [02:33]