[01:18] <Tm_T> wii is ban evader xp_killer?
[01:18] <Tm_T> he is
[01:21] <wii> Tm_P: did you baned Mii?
[01:21] <wii> who baned Mii?
[01:22] <wii> >_<
[01:22] <Pici> wii: Where?
[01:22] <wii> kubuntu
[01:23] <Tm_T> I did
[01:23] <Tm_T> ban evading
[01:23] <wii> why?
[01:23] <wii> baned evading?
[01:23] <wii> u lie
[01:23] <Tm_T> no I dont believe so
[01:24] <wii> it's being a week since my pc wasnt working
[01:24] <Tm_T> and?
[01:24] <wii> and i wasnt banned when i was garfield
[01:24] <Tm_T> well you did
[01:25] <Tm_T> and you are banned as xp_killer
[01:25] <Tm_T> and that is what counts
[01:25] <Tm_T> that ban is still on
[01:25] <Tm_T> and every attempt to go around that is ban evading
[01:26] <wii> Tm_T:what?u mean u baned xp_killer for more then a week?
[01:26] <Tm_T> not only mean but yes
[01:26] <Tm_T> and it is still valid
[01:27] <wii> well i didnt know my pc was down for a good while i forgot all wa hapen here plus i had to buy a new hdd for linux and reinstall everything xp and kubuntu
[01:28] <Tm_T> doesnt matter, ban is still valid, so is new ban
[01:28] <wii> i dont care
[01:28] <wii> it's not like i'm going to died whitought this irc thing
[01:28] <Tm_T> then this issue is dealt, have a good night :)
[01:29] <wii> if i was wwhitoung it for a week and can do whitough it for a year
[01:30] <LjL> i said that too once about smoking
[01:30] <LjL> oh, wait, i've never been a week without smoking
[01:31] <LjL> i said that too once about IRC
[01:31] <wii> Tm_T: if im baned why do i have privalage to speak in ubuntu?isnt that just rediculus?
[01:31] <Pici> fyi, It appears that you are evading in #ubuntu as well.
[01:32] <Tm_T> wii: you already said you dont care, so why you still talk about it?
[01:32] <Tm_T> Pici: then do what must be done ;)
[01:32] <Pici> Tm_T: psst, like I keep telling people I only have ops in -offtopic.
[01:32] <Tm_T> Pici: hmh
[01:32] <Tm_T> shame
[01:32] <wii> Tm_T: wait if u said xp_killer was baned for a week more then a week has past
[01:33] <Tm_T> wii: not for a week
[01:33] <wii> how long?
[01:33] <Tm_T> who knows
[01:34] <Tm_T> you havent helped it yet
[01:34] <wii> Tm_T: xp_killer was baned for an unknown time?
[01:34] <Tm_T> wii: well we promised to talk about it again after a week
[01:35] <wii> o.O
[01:35] <Tm_T> I never promised to lift it just like that
[01:35] <Tm_T> also, its not only up to me anymore
[01:35] <xp_killer> Tm_T: it's up to who?
[01:36] <Tm_T> me, you, stdin and perhaps mneptok like to review his comment too
[01:36] <xp_killer> who is mneptok?
[01:37] <xp_killer> i'm cool whit stdin
[01:37] <LjL> is this a split personality case or what?
[01:37] <Tm_T> LjL: no idea, nor care
[01:38] <xp_killer> Tm_T: who is mneptok?why do it have to be up to him too?
[01:39] <Tm_T> xp_killer: he (and I) have seen that you have had enough second changes, he's another op
[01:39] <xp_killer> second changes???
[01:39] <Tm_T> yes, you have been banned and rebanned many many times
[01:39] <mneptok> xp_killer: my Patience-O-Meter fell to zero with you long ago.
[01:39] <Tm_T> what, 3 or 4 ?
[01:40] <mneptok> xp_killer: you misbehave, apologize, promise to stop, and then repeat the whole process again.
[01:41] <mneptok> xp_killer: i'm done using my valuable tickets on this boring ride.
[01:41] <xp_killer> no i did not
[01:42] <xp_killer> ....
[01:42] <xp_killer> can i go back to kubuntu now?
[01:43] <mneptok> i will not unban you. others are welcome to make their own decisions on the matter.
[01:44] <Tm_T> I will not unban you now
[01:44] <Tm_T> not until stdin comment on this matter
[01:44] <Tm_T> AND after whe have reviewed this issue with you
[01:44] <xp_killer> now?as u mean i wont be baned forever?
[01:44] <Tm_T> perhaps not
[01:44] <Tm_T> I will not promise anything
[01:45] <xp_killer> im here after a week to review when i was banned as xp_killer
[01:46] <xp_killer> tell me fast my momy want to use the pc i have to go back to xp
[01:46] <Tm_T> see you next week, thats all I will say now
[01:47] <xp_killer> Tm_T: but u tell me that i had to come back in one week to review now u telling me to come back in a nother week?
[01:47] <xp_killer> crazyness
[01:47] <Tm_T> yes, because you evaded ban
[01:48] <xp_killer> Tm_T: i did not my hdd's die on me i had to reinstall everything
[01:48] <Tm_T> xp_killer: so you again had new nick, new username and all?
[01:49] <Tm_T> no, I don't care now, I really need to eat
[01:49] <Tm_T> ->
[01:51] <Tm_T> ...
[01:55] <xp_killer> ...
[01:55] <xp_killer> Tm_T: what u eating?
[01:55] <xp_killer> :)
[01:57] <Tm_T> human brains
[01:59] <wii> o.O
[01:59] <wii> anyway i'm going laters
[01:59] <wii> going back to xp
[01:59] <wii> :D
[02:04] <gnomefreak> wii: anything else we can help you with tonight?
[02:04] <wii> LjL: i said i was sory
[02:04] <LjL> wii: you also kept saying nonsense such as "Miioo sowiii"
[02:04] <wii> gnomefreak: and u are?
[02:04] <LjL> *after* being told that the channel is busy enough
[02:04] <gnomefreak> wii: removing you if you have no other reason to be here
[02:04] <wii> LjL: 
[02:05] <wii> no one told me it was busy
[02:05] <LjL> yes they did, they told you to go to -offtopic for random nonsense, and they also did say it was busy.
[02:05] <LjL> you admitted it yourself.
[02:05] <wii> gnomefreak: wait i have bussness with LjL
[02:05] <LjL> [02:02:30]  <scguy318> wii: if you wish to discuss off-topic matters, then please hang out in #ubuntu-offtopic, the channel is quite busy
[02:05] <LjL> yeah well, it's short business though. you're banned, that's it.
[02:06] <wii> LjL: i am in offtopic after i said sorry i was going in offtopic
[02:06] <LjL> wii: then what the hell was that "miio whatever"?
[02:06] <wii> aa i touch the wrong buttons
[02:07] <LjL> and hit an uppercase, then lowercase letters, then a space in a fashion that forms two words, even if not meaningful? come on.
[02:07] <wii> :D for that u get a fit
[02:07] <wii> ?
[02:08] <wii> dont it look like i wanted to say sorry?i'm a noob in typin and my gramaire is bad
[02:08] <gnomefreak> grammer?
[02:08] <wii> oh i say it in french
[02:09] <wii> i dont know the english word
[02:09] <LjL> gnomefreak: perhaps grammar
[02:09] <gnomefreak> spelling?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> and stuff
[02:09] <LjL> wii: ok look i don't have any time to waste. you're unbanned. join and be happy.
[02:12] <mneptok> xp_killer: if you have no further business here please /part
[02:18] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:18] <xp_killer> lol
[02:19] <gnomefreak> tell me that wasnt you
[02:19] <AndrewB> eek
[02:19] <ubotu> Agent_bob called the ops in #kubuntu
[02:19] <wii> who?
[02:19] <wii> stdin: sleeping
[02:19] <Amaranth> wow that even lagged me a little bit
[02:19] <wii> lol
[02:20] <nalioth> all IPs klined
[02:20] <mneptok> wii: i am now permanently banning you from any *ubuntu channel on which i have ops. you seem absolutely incapable of learning to behave.
[02:20] <wii> Amaranth: arent u amaroth or something?
[02:20] <Amaranth> wii: What?
[02:20] <wii> mneptok: for ever?
[02:21] <wii> Amaranth: never mine
[02:21] <mneptok> wii: oui
[02:21] <mneptok> wii: tant pis. a toute a l'heure.
[02:21] <wii> mneptok: fait come tu veux
[02:22] <Tm_T> :)))
[02:22] <LjL> !staff
[02:22] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[02:22] <LjL> massive mess
[02:22] <LjL> in all ubuntu channels
[02:23] <nalioth> LjL: yes?
[02:23] <gnomefreak> i was just in there :(
[02:23] <gnomefreak> mneptok: what did he do this time?
[02:24] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: "fuck suck" etc
[02:24] <Tm_T> as in
[02:24] <gnomefreak> when was this?
[02:24] <Tm_T> few moments ago in #ubuntu-offtopic 
[02:24] <gnomefreak> he wasnt unbanned for 2 minutes
[02:25] <gnomefreak> hes not real ummmmmm well eh
[02:25] <mneptok> gnomefreak: precisely my point ;)
[02:25] <Tm_T> 0317 < xp_killer> cubesi1: stop fucking chating so fast
[02:25] <Tm_T> etc
[02:26] <gnomefreak> yeah saw it
[02:26] <mneptok> gnomefreak: just couldn't believe your eyes ... ? ;)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> mneptok: yeah
[02:27] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[02:27] <gnomefreak> it was like not really 2 minutes
[02:27] <gnomefreak> you would think they would last 5 minutes atleast
[02:27] <mneptok> gnomefreak: he's French.
[02:28] <nalioth> and a troll
[02:28] <mneptok> what a great combination
[02:28] <gnomefreak> damn dpkg updates and apt is just all messed up today
[02:29] <LjL> i'm going to bed
[02:29] <LjL> -rR'ing unless someone takes that over
[02:29] <mneptok> LjL: don't wait up for me. i'm working late, sweetie.
[02:30] <LjL> mneptok, trolls have a strange effect on you.
[02:30] <gnomefreak> mneptok: banning wii == working late for you ;)
[02:31] <AndrewB> Would it not be better to +f #kubuntu to #ubuntu-unregged  while we are +Rr ?
[02:31] <mneptok> gnomefreak: i have ~3 hours left at the office, then 2-3 hours of stuff at home
[02:31] <LjL> AndrewB: i've removed the +rR in #kubuntu
[02:31] <gnomefreak> mneptok: damn
[02:31] <AndrewB> oh LjL ... I knew that! ;)
[02:31] <LjL> AndrewB: i only set it briefly out of total non-understanding of what was going on - and lag
[02:32] <LjL> also, i thought my alias would set +f automatically, but anyway
[02:32] <LjL> (i *am* in #kubuntu-unregged)
[02:32] <gnomefreak> mneptok: your boy is back hes in +1 im thining im gonna wait for him to cross but not real sure
[02:33] <nalioth> AndrewB: #ubuntu stays +f #ubuntu-unregged 
[02:34] <AndrewB> I know nalioth 
[02:34] <LjL-Temp> nalioth, he was saying #kubuntu. i set +r there too for a minute.
[02:34] <AndrewB> I didn't realise LjL had set -rR again..
[02:37] <nalioth> hmm, when did #kubuntu stop running +f #ubuntu-unregged ?
[02:38] <LjL> no idea
[02:44] <LjL> ok and after this, so much for IRC etiquette, but i'm disabling CTCP replies
[02:45] <LjL> ... assuming konversation allow that
[03:13] <gnomefreak> mneptok: im gonna yell at you
[03:16] <Tm_T> hahahahahaha
[03:17] <jdong> is this wii guy a troll?
[03:17] <gnomefreak> nalioth: can you please kline wii hes now in #ubuntu-desktop being offtopic
[03:17] <jdong> he's in #uf being incoherent
[03:17] <Tm_T> jdong: very annoying one
[03:18] <gnomefreak> .win 18
[03:18] <jdong> should I worry about banning him or just wait for the fireworks?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> jdong: you ops in desktop?
[03:18] <jdong> nope
[03:18] <jdong> I only have access in #ubuntuforums :)
[03:18] <gnomefreak> ah uf yes do it
[03:19] <gnomefreak> hes been banned pretty much across boards
[03:20] <gnomefreak> Seveas: if your up can you ban wii from -desktop
[03:21] <Tm_T> ban but not kick, let him see how people talk when not trolling
[03:21] <gnomefreak> Tm_T:  he was given that chance
[03:21] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: true
[03:21] <gnomefreak> he screwed it up within 5 minutes
[03:22] <Pici> Are free k-lines usually given out to people who can't behave in any channel?
[03:22] <Tm_T> Pici: I think he only needs sticker in his forehead
[03:22] <gnomefreak> Pici: i asked for one since hes going to channels we are not ops in im waiting for motu or devel to get hit
[03:22] <Tm_T> saying "I'm an idiot, dont listen to me"
[03:22] <jdong> 21:22  * wii Mii tink jdong is anoiying.he should just shut up and leave >_<
[03:22] <jdong> 21:22 -!- mode/#ubuntuforums [+o jdong]  by ChanServ
[03:22] <gnomefreak> why set 60 bans when a kline does it
[03:22] <jdong> 21:22 < wii> wait im sowiii
[03:22] <Pici> jdong: I saw that :D
[03:22] <jdong> :D
[03:22] <jdong> ROFL
[03:23] <Tm_T> jdong: and then ban?
[03:23] <gnomefreak> omg i cant think of what he is
[03:23] <Tm_T> jdong: come on, dont let us with excitement!
[03:23] <gnomefreak> but its not nice
[03:23] <jdong> there.
[03:23] <jdong> 21:23 -!- wii [n=wii@AMarigot-102-1-9-150.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr]  has left  #ubuntuforums [requested by jdong: "mii tink wii is anoiying.he  should just shut up and leave >_<"] 
[03:23] <jdong> :D
[03:23] <Tm_T> <3
[03:24] <gnomefreak> jdong: keep eyes open he will hit ever ubuntu-* out there
[03:24] <mneptok> gnomefreak: he doesn't stand a *chance* in -devel
[03:24] <gnomefreak> mneptok: you and colin are only 2 up
[03:24] <gnomefreak> that i know of
[03:24] <mneptok> gnomefreak: i'm about to take preventive measures
[03:24] <gnomefreak> and hes mad at me i just dont have heart to tell him i was afk
[03:25] <mneptok> as i have no more time to play "wait for the asstard"
[03:26] <Tm_T> 0424 < wii> Tm_T: u suck
[03:26] <Tm_T> <3
[03:26] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: in -desktop
[03:26] <jdong> Tm_T: aww you have a fanclub!
[03:26] <Tm_T> yup
[03:26] <gnomefreak> !staff
[03:26] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[03:26] <Tm_T> jdong: I'm so hot <3
[03:26] <gnomefreak> screw playing around
[03:26] <jdong> Tm_T: yes you are :)
[03:26] <rob> sup?
[03:26] <jdong> kline wii
[03:26] <Tm_T> jdong: lick me! <3
[03:26] <mneptok> rob: *please*
[03:27] <jdong> Tm_T: lol not now honey, daddy's busy hacking apparmor :)
[03:27] <mneptok> rob: mygoditburnsmakeitstop
[03:27] <gnomefreak> rob: kline this son of a bitch
[03:27] <jdong> mneptok: they have a lotion for that
[03:27] <rob> sounds like a personal problem :P
[03:27] <rob> what did he do?
[03:27] <mneptok> jdong: i hate the itching, but i don't mind the swelling.
[03:27] <gnomefreak> rob: wii is trolling in all channel;s
[03:27] <Pici> Hes been banned from most of the main ubuntu channels and now is going after the lesser known, more serious ones.
[03:27] <rob> which ones?
[03:27] <gnomefreak> hes now in channels we dont have ops in
[03:27] <jdong> rob: go into every #ubuntu* channel and troll
[03:27] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-desktop atm
[03:27] <rob> give me some
[03:27] <Pici> -desktop, -bugs, -directory...
[03:27] <jdong> #ubuntuforums too
[03:28] <rob> I have ops in everything
[03:28] <gnomefreak> weve got him from -effects #ubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-offtopic kubuntu-*
[03:28] <Tm_T> rob: powersuit, suits you sir =)
[03:28] <gnomefreak> here even
[03:28] <mneptok> rob: he's been abusive enough to warrant a k: IMO
[03:28] <rob> I just need to witness some of it to cover my butt
[03:28] <gnomefreak> 21:26 <             wii > u all can go to ****
[03:28] <gnomefreak> 21:27 -!- Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-130-161.dynamic.sbb.co.yu]  has quit  [Remote closed the connection] 
[03:28] <gnomefreak> 21:27 -!- rob [i=rob@freenode/staff/rob]  has joined #ubuntu-desktop
[03:29] <gnomefreak> want more?
[03:29] <mneptok> rob: we've asked you *many* times to leave that uncovered
[03:29] <rob> as many as you want
[03:29] <gnomefreak> 21:24 <             wii > Tm_T: u suck
[03:29] <rob> mneptok, leave what uncovered?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> sa,e channel a few mintues apart
[03:29] <mneptok> rob: your butt
[03:29] <gnomefreak> jdong: you have #uf post?
[03:29] <rob> mneptok, oh sorry :)
[03:29] <jdong> pastebinning
[03:30] <gnomefreak> rob: its been going on for last 4 hours or so
[03:30] <gnomefreak> im sure you can pretty much scroll in here and get the logs needed
[03:30] <rob> I've joined pretty much all that you guys have mentioned so far
[03:30] <Tm_T> rob: I believe bans in #kubuntu* channels speaks itself (by several ops, not one)
[03:30] <jdong> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39614/
[03:30] <jdong> rob: ^^
[03:31] <jdong> notable lines pasted there :)
[03:31] <rob> so his nick is currently wii?
[03:31] <gnomefreak> 20:22 <             wii > mneptok: fait come tu veux  << not sure what it means
[03:31] <jdong> yes
[03:31] <jdong> do whatever you want?
[03:31] <gnomefreak> 20:25 <            Tm_T+> 0317 < xp_killer> cubesi1: stop fucking chating so  fast
[03:31] <jdong> my french sucks though :)
[03:32] <jdong> 21:31 -!- wii [n=wii@AMarigot-102-1-9-150.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] 
[03:32] <mneptok> gnomefreak: "do as you please"
[03:32] <jdong> rob: yeah he's still wii
[03:32] <rob> I've not seen him say squat since I joined all those channels :)
[03:32] <gnomefreak> mneptok: ah ok
[03:32] <gnomefreak> and you did
[03:32] <gnomefreak> rob: not 1 minute before you joined he did
[03:32] <Tm_T> rob: should I provoke him a bit? =)
[03:32] <mneptok> naturellement :)
[03:32] <jdong> Tm_T: ROFL :)
[03:32] <Tm_T> 0426 < Tm_T> wii: I love you
[03:32] <Tm_T> 0426 < wii> i hate u
[03:32] <Tm_T> 0426 < dobey> heh
[03:32] <Tm_T> 0426 < wii> u all can go to ****
[03:33] <Tm_T> see, it's soo easy
[03:33] <rob> though mind you, I do have that affect on trolls usually
[03:33] <mneptok> I WANT TO GO TO THE STARS! I WANT TO MEET LT. UHURA!
[03:33] <jdong> rob: that hostmask will make him shut up fast....
[03:33] <mneptok> *ahem* 'scuse me.
[03:33] <jdong> I don't think he realized I was op
[03:33] <Tm_T> all you need is love, pappadadaa, aal you need is love, love, loooooooooooveeee
[03:33] <mneptok> Tm_T: i'd also like orgasms anh French fries.
[03:34] <mneptok> *and
[03:34] <AndrewB> hearts even
[03:34] <jdong> mneptok: are those two things  related?!?!
[03:34] <Tm_T> AndrewB: hear hear!
[03:34] <mneptok> jdong: only if you're doing it right
[03:35] <Tm_T> mneptok: hard and fast?
[03:35] <Tm_T> mneptok: "more salt is better"
[03:35] <jdong> Tm_T: OW!
[03:35] <jdong> that'd sting!
[03:36] <Tm_T> who wants pepper with it?
[03:36] <gnomefreak> rob: here is full log of what happened in -desktop http://paste.ubuntu.com/614/
[03:36] <gnomefreak> i know bits and peices dont mean much
[03:37] <mneptok> please don't slash your wii-wii on-channel
[03:37] <Tm_T> jdong: I did that before this all started again =)
[03:37] <mneptok> #BDSM is down the hall
[03:38] <gnomefreak> jdong: you joining channels havent had best of records iirc
[03:38] <gnomefreak> be careful
[03:38] <jdong> gnomefreak: mmm? I'm always in -motu
[03:38] <jdong> oh
[03:38] <gnomefreak> jdong: did you get auto kline once
[03:38] <rob> my god, he turned into a mute
[03:38] <jdong> gnomefreak: lol, no, but I got VERY close :)
[03:38] <jdong> gnomefreak: not gonna go try #bdsm anytime soon :D
[03:39] <mneptok> rob: let's see if my presence changes that
[03:39] <rob> heh
[03:39] <gnomefreak> rob: hold on a sec. some try the if you have nothing else please leave
[03:39] <mneptok> Hobbsee!!!!!!!!!!
[03:39] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I do ask that :)
[03:39] <Pici> sigh.. crozar is back being himself in +1
[03:40] <gnomefreak> Pici: damn him
[03:40] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, timbo__ said: ! what is kubuntu
[03:40] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: nooo, it was my line!
[03:40] <gnomefreak> tell him im too busy for a 2nd troll right now
[03:40] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: sorry :)
[03:40] <Tm_T> noooooooo
[03:40] <gnomefreak> i didnt look in here until after i typed it
[03:40] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I don't love you anymore (for a few seconds)
[03:41] <gnomefreak> damnit atleast ban him in the channels we cant i going to start banning in -mozilla and anywhere else hes not yet like xubuntu
[03:41] <Tm_T> haha
[03:42] <Hobbsee> mneptok!!!
[03:43] <mneptok> Hobbsee: would you be a love and throw me access to -motu? the ops list is distressingly short, and we've had a real charmer today.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> mneptok: alas, i cannot.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i'm aware it's short, i've bitched at seveas about it before
[03:44] <rob> I guess wii is off watching his cartoons after all
[03:44] <Hobbsee> mneptok: join the channel first,a nd i can op you till you quit
[03:44] <Hobbsee> or rob can force-add you.
[03:44] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: having issues with wii hostmask @AMarigot-102-1-9-150.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr has been banned everywhere we can hes joining pretty much everywhere
[03:45] <Hobbsee> urgh
[03:45] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i'll wait for Sev. it's not urgent, so no need to have rob circumvent procedure.
[03:45] <rob> whist I have the ability to I'm not part of the council, so I'd better not :)
[03:45] <gnomefreak> a few peremptive bans are set
[03:45] <gnomefreak> #kubuntu-devel and -desktop and -women havent been done
[03:45] <gnomefreak> either has lp
[03:45] <mneptok> rob: agreed, unless it's a dire emergency, which this ain't.
[03:45] <rob> yup
[03:46] <Hobbsee> rob: can i force you to regardless?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> rob: apparently Seveas doesnt even have access - it's back to sladen
[03:46] <rob> Hobbsee, you can force me to do whatever you like :)
[03:46] <rob> except break freenode/ubuntu policies of cause..
[03:47] <mneptok> Hobbsee: Riddell, too. i'll grab him when he awakes.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> rob: OK, please boost my ops to 30, and i'll bug sladen when he wakes up.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> this is called the "irc council and associated members hijacking"
[03:48] <Hobbsee> which, afaik, is a valid ubuntu policy
[03:49] <rob> Hobbsee, what channel, what for?
[03:49] <gnomefreak> oh wtf hes still there
[03:49] <Hobbsee> rob: #ubuntu-motu
[03:49] <gnomefreak> rob: did you leave -desktop?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> rob: and because we have no ops there.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> or close to none
[03:50] <rob> gnomefreak, no I'm watching, but can't kline him because he smashed your Ubuntu mug (but I was tempted to)..
[03:50] <gnomefreak> rob: if he didnt do it in 5+ channels i wouldnt have asked
[03:50] <Hobbsee> thanks rob, you're a star
[03:51] <gnomefreak> and most of us dont have ops everywhere he can go
[03:51] <rob> Hobbsee, done, please make sure you run it past seveas etc
[03:51] <Hobbsee> rob: will do, but it's sladen's call, he's registered the channel.
[03:52] <rob> Hobbsee, okay, he will do. Seveas is the contact still iirc for Ubuntu, so he would have overruling power regardless as far as fn is concerned
[03:52] <AndrewB> But are all #ubuntu-* channels not all technically owned by the group contact? [I assume seveas] 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> rob: the irc council does now.  not seveas.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> rob: the doco hasnt changed yet
[03:52] <rob> AndrewB, yes. Hobbsee, then it would be the irc council itself.
[03:53] <AndrewB> Is the IRC council all setup?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:54] <mneptok> Pici: do you need an op to deal with him?
[03:54] <Pici> mneptok: no, hes just being clueless.
[03:54] <rob> it looks like he is just being teeth-gratingly dumb, rather then a troll
[03:55] <Pici> He never should have installed Gutsy.
[03:55] <rob> pretty much, though the big banner on the front page of ubuntu.com doesn't help there either
[03:55] <Tm_T> !fr | mneptok 
[03:56] <ubotu> mneptok: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:57] <mneptok> Tm_T: he's saying he likes me more than you or stdin, and i'm telling him you guys are my friends and pissing you off pisses me off.
[03:57] <Tm_T> I see
[03:58] <gnomefreak> ok my french must be really really bad
[03:59] <AndrewB> mneptok: everybody does like you more ;)
[03:59] <gnomefreak> i thought he said he loves Tm_T 
[03:59] <gnomefreak> but could just be a bit rusty
[03:59] <rob> ooh Hobbsee is on the attack..
[03:59] <Hobbsee> this guy is being a git.
[03:59] <mneptok> AndrewB: bribery works, dude.
[04:00] <gnomefreak> where?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: are you core-dev?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> i think hes gonna start up soon
[04:01] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes.
[04:01] <rob> Hobbsee, maybe, but filing a bug is pretty daunting for the average user, and most of them won't get the kind of answers we would when we speak to Ubuntu development circles
[04:01] <mneptok> rob: see -desktop. the profanity has started.
[04:02] <rob> he is probably just in over his head and knows it
[04:02] <Hobbsee> rob: this guy has filed 3, and has also raised it on the u-d-d ML.  he's also asked this a couple of times previously, and got no response
[04:02] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i was told i need core-dev to sponsor a backport (change in source from whats in dapper backports. if i give you bug after i watch this -desktop show can you look at it
[04:02] <mneptok> rob: along with the (painfully predictable) insta-faux-regret
[04:02] <gnomefreak> i told ljl he was split personality
[04:03] <rob> Hobbsee, I guess he just wants it fixed then, sounds like a typical but persistent user
[04:03] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: what is this core-dev issue?
[04:03] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: when a backported package has source changes it needs to be sponsored by core-dev and than i heard i had to poke archive admin
[04:04] <gnomefreak> jdon_g already gave it his apporval
[04:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: email me?  (and i know, nspluginviwere too)
[04:04] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: asac was supposed to do that iceape so i didnt bother asking him about this
[04:04] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yup
[04:07] <rob> maybe we should just kick him out of -desktop
[04:07] <jdong> gnomefreak: in my experiencei t's fastest if you can flag down Colin :)
[04:07] <rob> wii aka xp_killer
[04:07] <jdong> gnomefreak: tollef's a good second option but he can be a bit harder to convince and sweet talk :)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh, do you need kicking out of there too?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> colin and tollef wont be awake
[04:08] <gnomefreak> jdong: im not high on colins list atm i was afk and didnt tell him he asked for bug on gimp and i didnt give him one since i wasnt here and i forgot about it whaen i was here
[04:09] <Hobbsee> jdong: tollef's not hard to sweet talk, if you do it right.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: dude, he understands people being afk.  he's not the gremlin you think he is.
[04:09] <gnomefreak> all other channels are good so far he hasnt gone into -women yet nor LP
[04:09] <jdong> Hobbsee: well you're far more charming :)
[04:09] <mneptok> jdong: be sure to mention unicorns, lutefisk, and aqavit
[04:09] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i know but hes working late and i didnt help it any
[04:09] <Hobbsee> not this late?
[04:10] <gnomefreak> plus hes working on cupsys tonight
[04:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: he was just in hter eworking
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh, so he is still up.  that's gone thru
[04:10] <gnomefreak> this is late for him (hes in UK i thought)
[04:10] <jdong> gnomefreak: can this package/fix be just backported from gutsy to dapper or feisty or anything?
[04:10] <gnomefreak> jdong: i did from gutsy since it was latest stable with most fixes
[04:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: indeed.
[04:11] <jdong> gnomefreak: does a no-source-change backport from Gutsy work across dapper->feisty?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> could have done it from feisty as well i guess, no its still upstream differnce
[04:11] <gnomefreak> 9.0.31 > 9.0.49
[04:11] <gnomefreak> or whatever the numberse are
[04:12] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree feisty
[04:12] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:12] <jdong> gnomefreak: can we backport the newest (gutsy) version to all supported Ubuntu releases?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> jdong: if you want
[04:12] <jdong> gnomefreak: hmm if it works I don't see the harm
[04:12] <jdong> gnomefreak: though Jucato can tell you about my flashplugin curse :)
[04:12] <gnomefreak> its easy enough just need a day if you want it the same as this last one
[04:13] <gnomefreak> i did feistys already
[04:13] <jdong> gnomefreak: All I would need for that is a build-and-install test on dapper-feisty
[04:13] <gnomefreak> when the md5sum first surfaced
[04:13] <jdong> gnomefreak: an approved no-source-change backport is handled a lot faster by archive admins
[04:14] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree edgy
[04:14] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:14] <Pici> edgy-backports I thought
[04:14] <gnomefreak> yep we need to do edgy but again another source change
[04:14] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree edgy-backports
[04:14] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1~edgy1 (edgy-backports), package size 14 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:14] <jdong> gnomefreak: why do we need source changes? :(
[04:14] <gnomefreak> .31>.48
[04:15] <gnomefreak> latest stable in gutsy is 9.0.48 and look at other versions
[04:15] <gnomefreak> those are upstream set versions
[04:16] <gnomefreak> that tells me source change
[04:16] <gnomefreak> no sence in trying to merge newest changes into older packages unless we take everything and move it
[04:17] <gnomefreak> but yes updating edgys should be it out side of dappers, the changes made shouldnt effect feistys version
[04:18] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree gutsy
[04:18] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 156 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)
[04:19] <gnomefreak> yep dapper and edgy if you wish i can have it ready tomorrow
[04:20] <jdong> gnomefreak: wait, so what's the reason why we can't just backport gutsy's version to everything without source changes?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:22] <gnomefreak> jdong: becasue the upstream version is no the same
[04:22] <jdong> gnomefreak: oh that blows :(
[04:22] <Tm_T> rob: what, where?
[04:22] <gnomefreak> yes i know
[04:22] <jdong> gnomefreak: does this bug affect all releases of Ubuntu?
[04:22] <gnomefreak> i did feistys didnt think of edgys than
[04:22] <gnomefreak> so far just dapper atm
[04:22] <rob> Tm_T, various channels -alaska, -desktop, various -fr channels
[04:22] <Tm_T> I see
[04:22] <gnomefreak> jdong: when i get edgy chroot up tomorrow ill test and let you know
[04:23] <rob> + I have all of you to vouch for him :)
[04:23] <gnomefreak> go for it
[04:24] <gnomefreak> jdong: i tried to get SRU for it in first place but since it was already backported decided to go with newest version to backport
[04:24] <jdong> gnomefreak: I'm thinking of backporting the feisty-modified one to everything else.... so fewest source-changes possible :)
[04:25] <gnomefreak> still source changes since feistys is gutsys without the nspluginwrapper fixes and friends
[04:25] <gnomefreak> that was after all the fixed perminst fixed it for real this time, now i really did fix it this time crap
[04:27] <gnomefreak> jdong: btw its gonna have to be done again soon
[04:27] <jdong> gnomefreak: *grumble* screw you, Adobe :)
[04:28] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:31] <gnomefreak> adobe started keeping the name of the package the same but upgrading it so if next release is 9.0.* than we have to do this over again in hardy
[04:32] <gnomefreak> if they move to 10 im not real sure if they will keep the 9 series around or not
[04:33] <gnomefreak> either way you look at it gutsy and feisty are the 2 that are up to date for most part and should be used if backporting feistys is fine for edgy and dapper if you want that instead it just shaves off a few changelog entries
[04:33] <gnomefreak> maybe 6 or so
[04:33] <jdong> gnomefreak: thanks for taking care of all this stuff :)
[04:34] <jdong> that's really painful, Adobe
[04:34] <gnomefreak> this is easy stuff
[04:34] <gnomefreak> flash is about the easiest fix ive done to date and i can say it cant hurt for motu memebership if i ever stop scaring myself
[04:35] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what is this debdiff against?
[04:35] <gnomefreak> dappers backported one to gutsy
[04:35] <Hobbsee> do you have a done source, with the debdiff already applied?
[04:35] <gnomefreak> the one jdong uploaded was before md5sum mismatch issue
[04:36] <gnomefreak> yes i have source packages
[04:36] <gnomefreak> since it was changed already
[04:36] <gnomefreak> its gutsys package built for dapper
[04:37] <gnomefreak> since upstream version changed
[04:38] <gnomefreak> jdong: i dont see the harm in backporting from gutsy to edgy that way dapper edgy feisty are all the same
[04:38] <Hobbsee> oh, so that's dapper backport1's to current.  got it.
[04:38] <gnomefreak> yep
[04:39] <gnomefreak> jdong: but your backports boss you tell me what you want and i will make flash happen
[04:39] <jdong> gnomefreak: you can pick whichever way you pick, I'm just saying the more source-cahgne uploads you do, the more irked archive admins will be
[04:40] <jdong> gnomefreak: I'm fine either way, whatever you can slip by Colin :)
[04:40] <gnomefreak> yeah i know but for quilty of a piece of crap package
[04:40] <gnomefreak> would rather not have to revist flash ever 3 months because of an issue
[04:41] <jdong> yeah :(
[04:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: nyah, nyah.  you could just fix the patch, couldnt you?
[04:42] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yes i did that at first and i was told to backport gutsys by fuj.... it made more sense
[04:42] <Hobbsee> sarah@liquified:~/current/flashplugin-nonfree-9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1~dapper1$ patch -p0 --dry-run < ../flashplugin-nonfree.debdiff
[04:42] <Hobbsee> can't find file to patch at input line 4
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> The text leading up to this was:
[04:42] <Hobbsee> --------------------------
[04:42] <Hobbsee> |diff -Nru /tmp/qMbwXq8cyz/flashplugin-nonfree-9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1~dapper1/debian/changelog /tmp/DlYW0TEMd9/flashplugin-nonfree-9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11~dapper2/debian/changelog
[04:42] <Hobbsee> |--- /tmp/qMbwXq8cyz/flashplugin-nonfree-9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1~dapper1/debian/changelog     2007-02-05 08:15:21.000000000 -0500
[04:42] <Hobbsee> |+++ /tmp/DlYW0TEMd9/flashplugin-nonfree-9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11~dapper2/debian/changelog    2007-10-03 18:59:34.000000000 -0400
[04:42] <Hobbsee> --------------------------
[04:42] <Hobbsee> File to patch:      
[04:42] <gnomefreak> ok damn asac
[04:43] <gnomefreak> wait a minute why am i seeing changelog
[04:43] <Hobbsee> using -p1 is standard, but it chokes with -p0 too.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> pleasefix.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bah. i t wont let me use p-1
[04:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you know how to?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: well yeah but i think its because of mid-browser
[04:43] <Hobbsee> because it's part of the diff
[04:44] <Hobbsee> no, it's because you need to have flashplugin-nonfree-9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1~dapper1/debian/changelog, not the /tmp/ crap in front
[04:44] <gnomefreak> can always take that part out, whatever part is failing but give me a minute 
[04:44] <Hobbsee> it's relative paths, not absolute
[04:44] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont have tmp
[04:44] <Hobbsee> that debdiff does
[04:46] <Hobbsee> probably because you didnt run debdiff from the dir above the source
[04:46] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: theres /tmp/ right through it
[04:46] <Hobbsee> yes, there is
[04:46] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: want me to rerun it
[04:46] <Hobbsee> nah, deleting it here - but please dont give me another diff like that again
[04:46] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty and you got it
[04:47] <Hobbsee> right, fixed.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[04:48] <Hobbsee>   flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11~dapper2.dsc: done.
[04:48] <Hobbsee>   flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11~dapper2.tar.gz: done.
[04:48] <Hobbsee>   flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11~dapper2_source.changes: done.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Successfully uploaded packages.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Not running dinstall.
[04:49] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty now i have to ping archive admin tomorrow than
[04:50] <jdong> thanks Hobbsee  :)
[04:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i will make sure you dont get that crap again
[04:50] <Hobbsee> great, thanks :)
[05:00] <gnomefreak> ok will have edgys done tomorrow, night all and thank you Hobbsee 
[05:00] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:01] <gnomefreak> thank you rob or Hobbsee 
[05:01] <Hobbsee> was me
[05:01] <Hobbsee> and you're welcome.
[05:17] <Tm_T> hahaha
[05:18] <Tm_T> its 0617 here where I am
[05:18] <gnomefreak> its 23:17
[05:18] <Tm_T> I just did repair old tube radio to be my guitar amp and I ofcourse tested it
[05:18] <Tm_T> so, I played out loud ofcourse
[05:18] <gnomefreak> bed time == 2100
[05:18] <Tm_T> hrhrhrhr
[05:18] <Tm_T> I left knife on the floor
[05:19] <Tm_T> and I accidentally kicked it while playing
[05:19] <Tm_T> so now my toe is bleeding
[05:19] <Tm_T> but I dont care because I got lovely guitar amp <3<3<3<3
[05:22] <coreymon77> wow
[05:22] <coreymon77> everyone watch #kubuntu
[05:22] <coreymon77> this jmerlin guy is really funny
[05:22] <coreymon77> dumd as a rusted doorknob
[05:23] <Madpilot> is it worth joining #k just for troll-flavoured fun?
[05:23] <coreymon77> yes
[05:23] <coreymon77> this is funny
[05:24] <coreymon77> the guy thinks he can restart xorg without logging of kde or loosing any content from the open programs
[05:24] <Jucato> coreymon77: you are not helping at all
[05:35] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree edgy-backports
[05:35] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.1ubuntu1~edgy1 (edgy-backports), package size 14 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> goodie
[05:36] <Tm_T> mooh
[05:36] <Jucato> woot
[05:36] <Jucato> happy happy edgy users :)
[05:39] <Amaranth> who the hell still uses edgy?
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> well, it is still supported
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot and Burgundavia had a box running Breezy at last check.
[05:40] <Amaranth> not by me :P
[05:41] <Amaranth> Someone shows up using edgy I tell them to upgrade
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> pretty please does someone know javascript and php?
[05:41] <Amaranth> Someone shows up using feisty and complaining about compiz-related things I tell them to upgrade :)
[05:41] <Madpilot> far as I know it's still running, but we don't host ubuntu.ca on it anymore. We did until a few weeks ago. :)
[05:41] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: yeah, why
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: I'm looking for someone to translate http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/dist/display.js to PHP
[05:41] <Amaranth> uh, ok
[05:42] <Amaranth> I have to use PHP again :P
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: wastrel just suggested http://pastie.caboo.se/103972 - could you double-check that?
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> If it's right it will save you some time (maybe), otherwise, well...
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> he's just guessing, btw
[05:46] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: oh, i just finished :P
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> hehe, ok
[05:47] <Amaranth> more or less the same code
[05:47] <gnomefreak> why the hell do all my debdiffs have /tmp/ in them :(
[05:48] <gnomefreak> is there a way to prevent this?
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: pastebin of yours?
[05:48] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: http://dev.realistanew.com/countdown.php
[05:48] <Amaranth> my code is it's own pastebin ;)
[05:49] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[05:49] <Amaranth> I just used the JS version and used CSS to tweak it on my site
[05:49] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com <--look no annoying text
[06:52] <gnomefreak> jdong: edgys debdiff is up on bug 80870
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80870 in flashplugin-nonfree "Edgy backports Flash 9 won't complete download of Flash" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80870
[08:12] <stdin> I see wii/garfeild/xp_killer got banned again...
[08:15] <Tm_T> stdin: and k-lined eventually
[08:16] <stdin> lovely
[08:16] <Jucato> good you too are round
[08:16] <Jucato> *around*
[08:17] <stdin> that's not an excuse to run off now :p
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> Jucato: *two*
[08:17] <Jucato> hey... I've held the fort early this morning when there was a huge amount of traffic and offtopic nonsense...
[08:18] <Jucato> tonyyarusso: yeah that too :)
[08:18] <Jucato> my stock of patience for the day ran out quite early so I'm off to do what I should have been doing hours ago :P
[08:19] <Tm_T> Jucato: my patience ran out yesterday and I'm still here =)
[08:20] <stdin> my patience ran out after being called a troll yesterday :)
[08:20] <Jucato> you're *here*. wish you were *there* earlier
[08:20] <Jucato> but you are one :)
[08:21] <Jucato> anyway, I have something to do so... it's all yours :)
[08:21] <Tm_T> Jucato: haha, I was playing guitar at that moment
[08:23] <stdin> heh, so I see
[08:26] <Tm_T> stdin: bah, this plzzz is anoying me
[08:26] <Tm_T> I'm off to pharmacy, keep the house up plsthx
[08:27] <stdin> :)
[08:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, trdracer said: all that is code to me...
[08:28] <Madpilot> hehehe
[08:34] <Jucato> stdin: careful of the jmerlin guy btw
[08:34] <stdin> yeah, I was there last night 
[08:35] <stdin> even /remove'd him once :)
[08:35] <Jucato> nope I didn't.. yet...
[08:35] <stdin> no, I did :p
[08:35] <Jucato> ah ok
[08:35] <stdin> last night = ~8-9 hours ago (i think)
[08:35] <Jucato> almost +m the channel earlier this morning though...
[08:35] <Jucato> ah mine was about 4-5 hours ago
[08:37] <stdin> well, he must have acted up a few time while I was sleeping too 
[08:37] <Jucato> he did...
[08:38] <stdin> wow, 1st time was actually 12 hours ago 
[08:38] <Jucato> I bet it won't be the last
[08:38] <stdin> complaining because k3b in gutsy wouldn't detect dis writer
[08:38] <Jucato> but hey yeah I think I remember him acting up ~12 hours ago too (my last night)
[08:38] <Jucato> oh well. anyway...
[09:01] <Jucato> stdin: ask him to spend a few hours to implement what he said he could in a few hours of hacking :)
[09:03] <stdin> on a side note, C++ is getting confusing for me. I'm on a part about overloading operators and it's making my head implode
[09:03] <Jucato> probably next week. that's the next chapter in my book
[09:04] <stdin> I'm taking a self-enforced break for a few hours before I even attempt to read any more :p
[09:05] <Jucato> hehe
[10:02] <stdin> Tm_T: I commended on the "*!*n=wii@*.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr" ban in bantracker, but in case you don't read it I said "As far as I'm concerned, this ban should stand until such time we decide to review (if ever). I've had enough of this guy."
[10:02] <Tm_T> :))
[10:02] <Tm_T> well he's k-lined
[10:02] <Tm_T> IMHO that says it all
[10:02] <Hobbsee> so what was he actualy doing?
[10:02] <stdin> being the most annoying person on the planet mostly
[10:03] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: except evading bans "accidentally" over and over again, violating coc, provoking people, heavy offtopicing, etc etc
[10:03] <Hobbsee> i figured that much
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yay..
[10:03] <stdin> continually offtopic, using "mii" instead of "me" and saying "pikachu >.<" all the damn time :p
[10:03] <Tm_T> and spreading his issue to *everywhere*
[10:04] <Tm_T> stdin: thats his smallest sin =)
[10:04] <stdin> yeah, but it wares on ya :p
[10:04] <stdin> plus (on a personal note), he just loves to start every question with "stdin:"
[10:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:05] <stdin> most annoying person ever! 
[10:05] <Tm_T> stdin: no, he also hilighted me a lot
[10:05] <Tm_T> stdin: not to mention directing every guy to talk to me too =)
[10:05] <stdin> Tm_T: yeah, because he found out you were an op
[10:05] <Tm_T> yup
[10:06] <Tm_T> he also whined ops
[10:06] <Tm_T> "let me be an op!"
[10:06] <Tm_T> at his early moments
[10:06] <stdin> that was his 1st ban I think
[10:06] <stdin> ahh, memories
[10:06] <Tm_T> indeed
[10:07] <stdin> the multiple ban evasion was the clincher I think, then joining every channel and complaining about his ban(s)
[10:08] <stdin> oh well, if I see him in #k it's ban first and ask questions never
[10:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: i'd imagine ban on sight, anywhere.
[10:08] <stdin> well, I only have op in #k, so that's all I can act on :p
[10:22] <Hobbsee> !ping
[10:22] <ubotu> pong
[10:57] <jussi01> Hmmm, that was fun....
[11:00] <Tm_T> ?
[11:00] <jussi01> Tm_T: I just walked into work, where the pc was on all night... 3.18 am... #ubuntu...
[11:01] <Tm_T> hummmm
[11:03] <Tm_T> any #ubuntu ops awake?
[11:14] <Madpilot> mostly
[11:14] <Madpilot> Tm_T, ??
[11:15] <Tm_T> wait
[11:15] <Tm_T> I lost my point =)
[11:15] <Tm_T> one sec
[11:16] <Tm_T> "For you ST47 :) <3 w00t" was set to realname in several of last nights exploit run
[11:16] <Tm_T> time to set realname ban for it?
[11:17] <Tm_T> Madpilot: sounds reasonable?
[11:18] <Madpilot> sure
[11:19] <Madpilot> we had a bot attack run again?
[11:19] <Tm_T> well 9 hours ago
[11:19] <Tm_T> jussi01 reminded me
[11:19] <jussi01> hehe
[11:21] <Tm_T> Madpilot: if you think it might work, please do :)
[11:21] <Madpilot> if I could remember how to set a realname ban at 0220, I would
[11:22] <Tm_T> heh, I cant remember it either
[11:22] <Madpilot> ah, the Mad Dutchman's wonderful script can do namebans
[11:23] <Tm_T> wonderbra-- I mean script
[11:23] <jussi01> is it not jujst +d ?
[11:23] <Tm_T> something like that
[11:24] <Madpilot> hmm, is not working...
[11:24] <jussi01> +d (realname ban)  	 This mode takes one parameter, a mask which is matched against the so-called "Real Name" field each client supplies, and prevents any matching clients from sending to the channel or joining it. It accepts the standard * and ? wildcards.
[11:25] <jussi01> just to save you going to look it up... :)
[11:25] <Tm_T> jussi01: thanks
[11:25] <jussi01> :)
[11:26] <Madpilot> so /mode +d "For you ST47 :) <3 w00t"    should work
[11:26] <Madpilot> let's see
[11:26] <jussi01> should... :)
[11:26] <Madpilot> nope. breaks on the first space
[11:26] <Tm_T> Madpilot: ? in spaces then
[11:27] <Madpilot> * #ubuntu "For?you?ST47?:)?<3?w00t" :Channel ban list is full
[11:27] <Tm_T> ouch
[11:27] <jussi01> hehe...
[11:28] <Madpilot> I had thought we'd had #u set to unlimited ban list length - evidently not
[11:30] <Madpilot> I hate doing mass-unbans like that, it spams hell out of the channel
[11:30] <Tm_T> Madpilot: better than having banlist full
[11:31] <jussi01> hehe... what were they? the oldest ones?
[11:31] <Madpilot> some of the stuff in #u's banlist is from MAY, ffs
[11:31] <Madpilot> ya, just going to the bottom of the list
[11:31] <jussi01> :)
[11:33] <Madpilot> there, finally got that nameban in place, and I'll stop spamming the channel now
[11:33] <Madpilot> KennethP, can we help you?
[11:33] <Tm_T> Madpilot: =)
[11:33] <KennethP> Madpilot: No, but thanks - just arrived here out of sheer curiosity...
[11:35] <Tm_T> :(
[11:36] <jussi01> hmmm....
[11:37] <Tm_T> hmm, #kubuntu has #ubuntu-unwrecked mode on
[11:40] <stdin> that only comes in to effect when it's +i
[11:40] <Tm_T> I know
[11:40] <Tm_T> but didnt notice it before
[11:41] <Hobbsee> zomg http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567618
[11:41] <jussi01> someone want to watch out for <TheSkorm> in #ubuntu - he will be back soon i imagine...
[11:43] <Jucato> stdin: what's wrong with pikachu? :(
[11:43] <mc44> Hobbsee: 6. A PONY
[11:43] <Tm_T> ?
[11:44] <Jucato> rock/ground type...
[11:44] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:44] <Hobbsee> this is the one who bitched about me closing his bugs.
[11:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: err, he appears to be one of these guys who comes from nowhere and without having a clue about things they come to tell what to do
[11:45] <Tm_T> am I right?
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: nah.
[11:46] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:46] <Tm_T> how mp3 ripping is currently hard?
[11:46] <jussi01> oh yeah, the famous "Sarah Hobbs is a Jerk" bug....
[11:47] <stdin> just someone who want's things done but doesn't want to do anything about it
[11:47] <Tm_T> stdin: ah, almost as bad
[11:47] <mc44> bug: I want Playstation 3 emulation on ubuntu
[11:49] <stdin> reply: "STFU n00b" :p
[11:49] <Hobbsee> nah...
[11:50] <Tm_T> mc44: )(
[11:51] <Hobbsee> refresh
[11:51] <Hobbsee> the last thread was better.
[11:51] <jussi01> Hobbsee: LOL... you are so mean...
[11:53] <Madpilot> does that bug report still exist, or was it deleted too?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> about me being a jerk?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> i marked it as private, in the hope that google wouldnt cache it
[11:53] <Hobbsee> his others all still exist.
[11:53] <Madpilot> what username? I need a laugh.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: bug 147493 and others.
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147493 in ubuntu "Ardour, Jack, Password Nightmares." [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147493
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/%7Erhy-deactivatedaccount/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_cve.used=
[12:00] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: the sarah hobbs is a jerk bug is at http://rafb.net/p/HaR1kS80.html
[12:01] <jussi01> loving how busy #kubuntu is.........
[12:02] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, fun. Nice to make friends, isn't it?
[12:02] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: What bug number was that?
[12:02] <Amaranth> Some of us still have access. :P
[12:05] <Tm_T> jussi01: lovely, isnt it
[12:06] <jussi01> Tm_T: Yea.....
[12:06] <Tm_T> jussi01: I wonder how randomized kickbans would make it alive =)
[12:07] <Madpilot> I love the title he gave bug 147494
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147494 in ubuntu "Update Manager Breaking Random Stuff" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147494
[12:07] <jussi01> Tm_T: nah.... 
[12:07] <jussi01> lol Madpilot
[12:07] <ikonia> gnomefreak: heads up in #ubuntu+1
[12:07] <gnomefreak> i saw
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:08] <Madpilot> "but for us testers, things should work more smoothly." <-- does not get the point of pre-beta releases, evidently...
[12:09] <Tm_T> ?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Madpilot: :( if it ran smppthly why the hell would we need testers 
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ask him that ;)
[12:10] <Madpilot> the person in question has deleted their LP account and stalked off in a huff, so no point asking them anything...
[12:10] <gnomefreak> was it a member or just another user?
[12:11] <stdin> just a moaner
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:11] <gnomefreak> stdin: you ran off and missed all the ummmm fun
[12:12] <gnomefreak> i use fun very loosly
[12:12] <stdin> when?
[12:12] <stdin> and where?
[12:12] <gnomefreak> started about 10 hours ago and lasted a couple of hours i would say
[12:12] <gnomefreak> stdin: pick a #ubuntu-* channel
[12:13] <gnomefreak> stdin: remeber wii/xp_killer?
[12:13] <stdin> you mean with wii
[12:13] <stdin> yeah, I noticed that when I woke up
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:14] <stdin> I also noted in bantracker "As far as I'm concerned, this ban should stand until such time we decide to review (if ever). I've had enough of this guy."
[12:14] <stdin> because he's annoyed me for over a month, so bans and k-lines are good :p
[12:19] <gnomefreak> ah didnt know you had a fan base
[12:20] <gnomefreak> well after last night im with you on the if ever :)
[12:49] <ikonia> sounds very interesting is wii the same persona as xp_killer
[12:50] <Tm_T> it is
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ikonia: crozer or whatever that guys name is, is boarderline troll so be careful what time you spend on him. his issue is either user error or gutsy bug or bad drive bad drive being first choice
[12:58] <ikonia> gnomefreak he's on ignore now
[12:58] <ikonia> gnomefreak I think the drive is dead due to it failing to even spin up
[01:02] <gnomefreak> hes now someone elses issue im going out for a little while before rush hour starts
[01:02] <ikonia> gnomefreak laters
[01:03] <gnomefreak> ikonia: until he can listen.
[01:04] <gnomefreak> ill remove it maybe later today
[01:04] <gnomefreak> nickren;s ban
[01:04] <gnomefreak> out now ;)
[01:07] <gnomefreak> both of his bans are now for 24 hours no shorter
[01:07] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: bye
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: 147536
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: are you in secuirty?
[01:13] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: QA team
[01:13] <Amaranth> Interesting, I have access to other security bugs
[01:14] <Amaranth> Oh, because they're against compiz :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yes :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: now lets see what happens :)
[01:29] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:30] <Hobbsee> this is the problem of not being in #ubuntu all the time...
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: can you deal with it?
[01:35] <mc44> Hobbsee: you know playing on the forums isn't good for your sanity :)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> mc44: hehe :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> mc44: yeah, but this guy is...
[01:36] <mc44> quite
[01:37] <Hobbsee> mc44: what's your take on #ubuntu?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> djviper is looking to be an op - no idea if he's any good
[01:39] <stdin> wow, a kick not even remove :p
[01:40] <Hobbsee> he's trying to render the system unbootable.  therefore troll, therefore kickban.
[01:40] <Pici> theskorm = troll
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's kickbanned :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> stdin: help deal with it, please
[01:41] <Pici> Oh, too late ;)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Pici: you too
[01:41] <stdin> sure,
[01:41] <Hobbsee> no, the next group of nutters who come in
[01:48] <ikonia> looks you chaps are having fun
[02:30] <LjL> service announcement, archive.ubuntu.com, us.archive.ubuntu.com (which currently point to the same canonical servers) and security.ubuntu.com are currently mostly unusable
[02:31] <gnomefreak> a bit slow i would say
[02:32] <LjL> gnomefreak: i think there is something aside from slowness, otherwise they wouldn't point to the same mirror
[02:32] <LjL> they never did afaik
[02:33] <Tm_T> Fetched 197B in 2m13s (1B/s)
[02:33] <Tm_T> =)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: im not even tat slow
[02:33] <gnomefreak> that*
[02:33] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i still need to ping archive admin for the 2 flash uploads right?
[02:38] <gnomefreak> Fetched 1794B in 59s (30B/s) see not too too slow
[02:38] <gnomefreak> should be faster :)
[02:38] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: bit of hurry?
[02:39] <stdin> Fetched 637B in 1s (490B/s) :)
[02:39] <gnomefreak> not at all i stayed up all night to finish up some work slept about an hour and back here again
[02:39] <gnomefreak> stdin: has a t* connection
[02:40] <gnomefreak> did my troll come back?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i dunno :)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> i cant believe i had 2 this morning one boarderline the other just doesnt liten worth a darn.
[02:41] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty for the other flash upload.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:00] <ikonia> Pici: thinaks a lot ;) he's in the LFS support irc server now questioning coreutils pain 
[03:46] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:47] <LjL> solved
[03:48] <ikonia> ooh yes
[03:48] <ikonia> quick turn around from pici
[03:48] <ikonia> although I'm still grumpy with pici for unloading a pain user on to me
[03:48] <Pici> ikonia: :p
[03:49] <ikonia> ha ha
[03:49] <Pici> ikonia: As long as hes not in #ubuntu...
[03:49] <ikonia> yeah thanks
[03:49] <ikonia> I may return the favour by suggesting all the ones having problems try "ubuntu" 
[03:49] <Pici> hehe
[03:49] <LjL> Pici: ?! what the heck
[03:50] <LjL> you're opped and not in the access list, what sort of new policy is that :P
[03:50] <Pici> LjL: er... blame Hobbsee 
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hm?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[03:50] <LjL> oh, i always do
[03:50] <Hobbsee> LjL: no one else was here, i was going afk, and they were around.
[03:50] <Pici> I'll deop now if you're going to be around
[03:50] <Hobbsee> and they needed ops
[03:51] <LjL> Pici: i couldn't care less honestly
[03:51] <LjL> Hobbsee: perhaps we could just fix the access list, though
[03:51] <Hobbsee> LjL: if we had privs, then yes we could.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> but i have an access of <30
[03:52] <LjL> Hobbsee: we have the priv of using a hammer on the head of those who have privs
[03:52] <Hobbsee> you do, yes.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> although i usurped that hammer for -motu earlier
[03:52] <ikonia> is that allowed in the coc ?
[03:53] <LjL> ikonia: the hammer *is* the standard CoC procedure for requesting actions from people with more privileges.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ikonia: in some circmstances, yes.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> like stabbing people is acceptable by the code of conduct, in some circumstances.
[03:59] <LjL> ikonia: it's allowed by "them" to turn the hammer back on you, however.
[03:59] <LjL> it's a risk you have to take :)
[04:00] <ikonia> I like it
[04:00] <ikonia> a gable
[04:00] <ikonia> gamble
[04:00] <Hobbsee> LjL: unless you are She Who Must Be Obeyed, and wields the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[04:00] <Hobbsee> in which case they're not stupid enough to try
[04:00] <LjL> Hobbsee: sure, elkbuntu is entirely another issue.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:01] <LjL> (i have the mouse on the "Op/Kick" button, for the record)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> fracking chanserv
[04:01] <LjL> i told you.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> i win.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> damn thing always lags.
[04:02] <LjL> i'm thinking about it.
[04:02] <LjL> hm.
[04:02] <LjL> yeah.
[04:02] <Seeker`> op abuse!
[04:02] <jussi01> hheheehhhhh
[04:03] <LjL> we're even :P
[04:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:03] <ikonia> Hobbsee: frack ? you a battlestart galactica fan ?
[04:03] <Pici> hehe
[04:04] <Hobbsee> no
[05:37] <Seeker`> how do you set up a ban so that they are forwarded into another channel?
[05:38] <stdin> Seeker`: add !#channel to the end of a normal ban
[05:38] <Hobbsee> stdin: ++
[05:38] <stdin> like *!*@host.com!#channel
[05:38] <Seeker`> shall I ban him ty
[05:38] <Seeker`> orry
[05:38] <Seeker`> gah, cant type
[05:39] <Seeker`> *thanks
[05:39] <Pici> I need to setup an alias for that...
[05:39] <stdin>  /cs kf someone :)
[05:40] <stdin>  /cs kf someone #channel
[05:40] <Hobbsee> -ENOXCHAT
[05:40] <stdin> I know, I hate myself for using it
[05:52] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  ping
[05:59] <stdin> archive.ubuntu.com seems to be back up again now
[06:19] <nalioth> effie_jayx: pong
[06:21] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  I want to find out about a freenode group subscription... I already spoke to SportChick about it and she couldn't find the application of  the group
[06:33] <nalioth> effie_jayx: ok
[06:34] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  shall I fill the application again?... it's been 3 months now)
[06:34] <nalioth> effie_jayx: i would help if you told me the group name
[06:34] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  velug
[06:35] <nalioth> effie_jayx: i can only tell you it's in the queue
[06:35] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  it is there then... 
[06:46] <SportChick> effie_jayx: I never said I couldn't find it
[06:47] <SportChick> effie_jayx: you pinged me the other night when I was sleeping - you got an automated message saying *I* was away :)
[06:51] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  Hey there... I never wanted to make you feel like you wasted your time. how unconsiderate of me 
[06:51] <effie_jayx> sorry 
[06:57] <effie_jayx> nalioth and SportChick  thank you both
[07:34] <SportChick> effie_jayx: I didn't think you were saying that :)  I just wanted to clarify that i'd never said i couldn't find the GCF - only that it was in process
[07:38] <effie_jayx> all cleared then 
[07:38] <effie_jayx> :D
[07:57] <Pici> That was dumb.
[08:04] <coreymon77> guys
[08:04] <coreymon77> thekookiguy is posting inappropriate urls that he says will help people
[08:04] <coreymon77> in the #kubuntu channel
[08:04] <coreymon77> we have told him to stop
[08:04] <coreymon77> he wont
[08:04] <Pici> coreymon77: call !ops
[08:04] <jdong> where do his tinyurl's go?
[08:04] <jdong> do I want to know?
[08:05] <coreymon77> xxx
[08:05] <Pici> tubgirl
[08:05] <Pici> Plus I accidentally deopped myself in #ubuntu.  Thats why I *headdesk*ed earlier.
[08:05] <coreymon77> stdin: thanks
[08:06] <stdin> I only knew because I got a highlight when Pici put ops,
[08:06] <coreymon77> oky
[08:06] <stdin> if someone does that, you can use the command
[08:07] <coreymon77> ill do that next tine
[08:07] <Pici> Yah, thats an emergency
[08:07] <coreymon77> time*
[08:07] <stdin> please and thanks :)
[08:08] <ubotu> In ubotu, jpatrick said: kops is Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, jpatrick or Pici
[08:08] <Pici> stdin: Are you still opped in #ubuntu, can you ban that hostmask? hes in there with a different nick than the one he pasted the link with.
[08:08] <Pici> ..
[08:08] <jpatrick> ops, I wasn't on the list
[08:08] <gnomefreak> are you an op?
[08:08] <jpatrick> yeah
[08:08] <gnomefreak> ok fixing
[08:08] <Pici> I thought there was an ops-#kubuntu factoid.
[08:09] <gnomefreak> Pici: ther eis
[08:09] <stdin> there is one
[08:09] <jpatrick> it's !kops no?
[08:09] <Pici> stdin: yurimxpx is the nick
[08:09] <gnomefreak> !ops-#kubuntu
[08:09] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[08:09] <Mez> !ops-#kubuntu is <sed> /Mez/Mez, jpatrick/
[08:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that Mez
[08:09] <Mez> grr
[08:09] <gnomefreak> jpatrick: your there
[08:09] <Mez> !ops-#kubuntu
[08:09] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[08:09] <Pici> twice now
[08:09] <gnomefreak> in #kubuntu if !ops trigger is used you will get pinged
[08:09] <jpatrick> right, I used the wrong one
[08:09] <Mez> !ops-#kubuntu is <sed> /jpatrick, jpatrick/jpatrick/
[08:09] <stdin> hmm, I'm not in there
[08:09] <ubotu> I'll remember that Mez
[08:10] <coreymon77> whats the matter
[08:10] <gnomefreak> !kops has kind of died since we can do per channel factoids
[08:10] <coreymon77> is the guy back?
[08:10] <Pici>  kops is aliased to ops 
[08:10] <stdin> Pici: yurimxpxman ?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> coreymon77: no
[08:10] <Mez> stdin, you're not an op in #kubuntu
[08:10] <gnomefreak> Mez: he is
[08:10] <stdin> Mez: yes I am
[08:10] <Pici> stdin: Hes the guy with that hostmask in #ubuntu
[08:10] <Mez> oh yeah, hidden at the top
[08:11] <Mez> !ops-#kubuntu is <sed> /Mez/Mez, stdin/
[08:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that Mez
[08:13] <stdin> I have a highlight on ! ops anyway, so I notice when it's used
[08:17] <Pici> As do I.
[10:02] <Gary> Pici, dare you to mute him for an hour or so :p
[10:23] <LjL> stdin: that doesn't exempt you from being listed in !ops. we all hate that, but we still get it :P
[10:23] <stdin> LjL: I'll just get 2 pings now :p
[10:24] <LjL> stdin: and people will start saying "oooh so you're an op" (no, they never noticed before - really) and bugging you for at least a month.
[10:24] <coreymon77> LjL: thats part of the job isnt it? (as far as i can tell)
[10:24] <stdin> I'll just set my away message to "/msh LjL  for all your queries" :)
[10:25] <LjL> coreymon77: the annoying part, yeah
[10:25] <stdin> erm, /msg
[10:25] <LjL> stdin: i'll just set my away message to /kick stdin then
[10:25] <coreymon77> LjL: ophood is a double edged sword, you need to deal with the good along with the bad
[10:25] <LjL> coreymon77: yeah, but i'm allowed to whine.
[10:26] <coreymon77> LjL: make that wine! :P
[10:26] <LjL> no, i prefer native applications
[10:26] <coreymon77> lol
[10:26] <LjL> although konversation is getting annoying i must admit
[10:26] <LjL> but i won't ditch it in favor of mirc, no
[10:26] <coreymon77> a bit of linux humour to lighten things up
[10:26] <coreymon77> huh?
[10:26] <Gary> :-)
[10:26] <coreymon77> im using konv on my mac
[10:26] <LjL> coreymon77: and don't you hate it sometimes?
[10:26] <Gary> on a mac?
[10:26] <coreymon77> and both konv and mirc on my kubuntu box
[10:27] <coreymon77> Gary: yes, on a mac
[10:27] <Gary> coreymon77, in osx?
[10:27] <mc44> ug. You can go play with Gary in the mac corner
[10:27] <ikonia> guys - bad language in ubuntu
[10:27] <LjL> mc44: but it's an iMac!
[10:27] <ikonia> fuck - tits etc etc
[10:27] <LjL> you can go play too
[10:27] <coreymon77> Gary: yes, in osx
[10:27] <LjL> grrrrrrr
[10:27] <ikonia> user niter is using bad language
[10:27] <LjL> tmccrary
[10:28] <LjL> stdin: i won't say anything. deal with him
[10:28] <LjL> i'll just ban him in the end.
[10:28] <LjL> i know him.
[10:28] <coreymon77> Gary: its called macports + apple's x11,app
[10:28] <LjL> stdin: he's insane. tell him plainly that perhaps he's on the wrong person.
[10:28] <ikonia> coreymon77: sorry I keep getting your nick
[10:28] <jdong> coreymon77: haha I use gtkpod on OS X :D
[10:29] <coreymon77> LjL: konv on my mac, konv on my kubuntu box and a wined mirc on my kubuntu box for my bot
[10:29] <coreymon77> jdong: i have 3 x11.app programs
[10:29] <coreymon77> jdong: konv, gimp and freenx
[10:30] <jdong> ah :)
[10:30] <ikonia> stdin: what the heck is that guy on about?
[10:30] <LjL> nooo
[10:30] <LjL> stdin, dammit
[10:30] <Gary> I find the X11 apps slow
[10:30] <LjL> i wanted to *ban* him
[10:30] <stdin> LjL: you still can
[10:31] <coreymon77> Gary: dual core? osx 10.4?
[10:31] <LjL> stdin: not as long as there's a legitimate doubt that he might simply have confused people
[10:31] <LjL> it would be a gratuitous ban
[10:31] <LjL> but, i know he's a troll
[10:31] <Gary> yes and yes, and not that slow, just slower
[10:31] <LjL> coreymon77: you use mirc for a *bot*?
[10:31] <stdin> LjL: well, I asked them what they were on about, they avoided the question :)
[10:32] <Gary> how come niter3 did not get a kick?
[10:32] <coreymon77> anyways, this is getting offtopic, lets take in into my channel, ##snowbot if we want to continue
[10:32] <LjL> tmccrary, hello
[10:32] <tmccrary> Hi LjL
[10:32] <LjL> tmccrary: may i know what brought you to accuse stdin?
[10:32] <LjL> i think i might have missed some parts
[10:32] <LjL> did he use bad language?
[10:33] <tmccrary> stdin was sending me some pretty graphic and strange messages of a sexual nature
[10:33] <tmccrary> I told him to stop and he would not
[10:33] <LjL> tmccrary: uhm, that would be bad, are you *very* sure it was stdin?
[10:33] <coreymon77> LjL: you coming?
[10:33] <tmccrary> yes, positive
[10:33] <LjL> coreymon77: one moment
[10:33] <stdin> please, provide logs
[10:33] <LjL> tmccrary: yes, do provide them please
[10:33] <tmccrary> hold on, one sec
[10:35] <LjL> tmccrary: if you need to make them up, you could at least try and do it a little more quickly
[10:38] <LjL> tmccrary: ok, i see you have trouble with that
[10:38] <LjL> so let's take it from another perspective
[10:38] <LjL> is there any connection between the fact that you called !language on stdin right after ikonia had called !language on niter3?
[10:38] <LjL> because it would seem like a strange coincidence to me.
[10:39] <stdin> umm, I called !language on niter3
[10:39] <LjL> yeah, that
[10:39] <stdin> and I can provide logs on that ;)
[10:39] <LjL> well, but we have those
[10:39] <LjL> on the other hand, we still don't have tmccrary
[10:40] <LjL> and if it takes him more than 5 minutes to produce them
[10:40] <LjL> i'd have no reason to think he hasn't made them up, anyway
[10:40] <LjL> so, since tmccrary has a very long history of repeated trolling
[10:40] <LjL> (although, lately, he has seemed to be a good citizen of #ubuntu)
[10:41] <LjL> i see no reason why he should stay in the channel and slander people.
[10:41] <Pici> %btlogin
[10:42] <mc44> LjL: technically, I think it's libel ;)
[10:42] <LjL> mc44: i didn't say "libel"? my logs say i said "libel".
[10:42] <LjL> tmccrary: anything else we can do to you?
[10:42] <mc44> LjL: how odd. Mine say "sausages"
[10:43] <stdin> snot? :p
[10:43] <LjL> doh
[10:44] <ikonia> don't kick him yet, I've found the logs
[10:44] <LjL> ?
[10:44] <ikonia> 12:03 <LjL> hi ikonia wan't to cyber
[10:44] <ikonia> see I've found them ;)
[10:44] <Pici> :p
[10:44] <ikonia> ;)
[10:44] <PriceChild> *cringes*
[10:44] <ikonia> little be of cheek 
[10:45] <Pici> Howdy PriceChild 
[10:45] <Gary> no one chats me up like that :'(
[10:45] <ikonia> Gary: you're clearly not as pretty as me
[10:45] <PriceChild> Hey pici :)
[10:46] <LjL> Gary: niter wasn't kicked simply because one is usually given a warning. tmccrary, on the other hand, was just being a deliberate troll.
[11:00] <ikonia> boys - you on your own on the automatix thing now
[11:00] <ikonia> I'm backing off
[11:01] <PriceChild> this in -offtopic?
[11:01] <LjL> no, in #ubuntu of course.
[11:02] <PriceChild> Ah..
[11:03] <Gary> but automatix is lovely
[11:03] <Pici> aiiieee
[11:05] <PriceChild> stdin, have you recently been given access in #ubuntu?
[11:05] <PriceChild> Or am I just slow and its always been like that? :)
[11:06] <stdin> PriceChild: erm, well hobbsee oped me a while ago
[11:06] <Pici> Hobbsee opped stdin and I early this morning because no one else was around
[11:06] <stdin> and I just haven't deoped
[11:06] <Gary> and you are still opped, tsk tsk :p
[11:08] <Pici> The trolls have really been at it today..
[11:08] <PriceChild> stdin, ahhhh :)
[11:08] <Amaranth> 13 days to doomsday
[11:09] <jdong> omg #ubuntu flows so fast I don't see how you people can survive giving support this way :)
[11:09] <stdin> heh, that was nearly 10 hours ago now :p
[11:09] <Amaranth> jdong: read faster
[11:09] <stdin> that's got to be the longest +o in #ubuntu for a long time
[11:10] <jdong> Amaranth: lol
[11:10] <Pici> jdong: I have all the joins and parts going to another window so its a little more bearable. (although LjL keeps saying its stupid)
[11:10] <Seeker`> does anyone actually enjoy being an op in #ubuntu
[11:10] <mc44> jdong: just give everyone the same answer
[11:10] <Gary> Seeker`, I doubt it
[11:11] <Gary> it's bad enough in -offtopic
[11:11] <Gary> as they go on and on
[11:11] <stdin> just ask hobbsee when she gathers the strength to return
[11:11] <LjL> Seeker`: i enjoy a channel that can doesn't go totally astray. ops try to do that. in the short term, no i don't enjoy it very much
[11:11] <jdong> mc44: lol I'm gonna go write a sqlite canned response selector for irssi now :D
[11:11] <Gary> is she taking a sabbatical ?
[11:12] <Pici> Who?
[11:12] <LjL> Pici: i said it just once. well, make it twice: it's stupid :)
[11:12] <PriceChild> Pici, it is stupid. :)
[11:12] <stdin> Gary: probably sleeping
[11:12] <Seeker`> Pici: Gary's stupid :P
[11:12] <Seeker`> (sorry Gary )
[11:12] <Pici> Which reminds me, I need to finish up writing my join flood detection script.
[11:13] <PriceChild> jdong, imagine what it'll be like after gutsy's release :)
[11:13] <Pici> s/after/on
[11:13] <Seeker`> PriceChild: dont you mean the run up to...
[11:13] <Seeker`> what was the peak for feisty?
[11:13] <Pici> I should just make an alias now for 'No, its not released yet'
[11:13] <Gary> the day before was a nightmare
[11:13] <PriceChild> Seeker`, over 1600
[11:14] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Like I said, 13 days to doomsday
[11:14] <PriceChild> Seeker`, and no, i mean after :)
[11:14] <PriceChild> Amaranth, ahh i see that now, true :)
[11:14] <LjL> i think we should just set +i :)
[11:14] <Pici> And aferwards it never really went back down.
[11:14] <Seeker`> PriceChild: why is it worse after?
[11:14] <Pici> Well, I mean to original levels
[11:14] <Amaranth> Seeker`: People asking the same question over and over again about something in gutsy
[11:15] <Pici> We'll get some dumb bug that no one noticed, but everone will ask about
[11:15] <PriceChild> Seeker`, because people have installed it after seeing that its just been released.
[11:15] <Amaranth> and compiz will become an official part of the things people can get help with in #ubuntu
[11:15] <mc44> Amaranth: is gusrty grilbon out yet?
[11:15] <Amaranth> @lart mc44
[11:15] <Pici> Amaranth: Ugh, thats going to kill us
[11:15] <PriceChild> oh yeah the "is it out yet?"s
[11:15] <Seeker`> hmm
[11:15] <Seeker`> "are we there yet?"
[11:15] <Amaranth> Pici: I don't think I'll be able to keep up, you guys should start playing with it :)
[11:15] <Pici> Speaking of, how are we dealing with Compiz and #ubuntu-effects?
[11:15] <LjL> Amaranth: the compiz *from the official repositories
[11:15] <LjL> that is :)
[11:16] <LjL> Pici: Compiz from repos in #ubuntu, anything else in -effects
[11:16] <LjL> that's how i'd see it
[11:16] <Amaranth> Pici: #ubuntu-effects is the perfect example of why splitting support out per category is bad
[11:16] <Seeker`> my compiz doesn't work at the moment - X throws a fit whenever i try to enable nvidia-glx
[11:16] <Amaranth> it's more or less dead, i usually end up telling people to go to #compiz-fusion
[11:16] <PriceChild> LjL, I'd prefer _all_ compositing talk, even if its from ubuntu repos in main in -effects... :/
[11:17] <Amaranth> PriceChild: doesn't work
[11:17] <Pici> Amaranth: Oh, I agree.  But at least with gutsy we'll get some more compiz gurus to offer support in #ubuntu
[11:17] <Amaranth> Pici: Who says?
[11:17] <PriceChild> Amaranth, I know :/
[11:17] <LjL> PriceChild, even now we let "Desktop Effects" stay in #ubuntu
[11:17] <Pici> Amaranth: I can only hope.
[11:17] <Pici> Maybe I'm too optimistic
[11:17] <Amaranth> I think I'm the only 'compiz guru' around :P
[11:18] <LjL> good luck with gutsy then :)
[11:18] <Seeker`> can I be the "compiz idiot"?
[11:18] <Amaranth> Btw, I _guarantee_ you'll get lots of people complaining because compiz won't start
[11:18] <LjL> Amaranth: i'm not surprised
[11:18] <Pici> IMO, and you can lart me for this, but compiz is the easy part, getting the hardware/X part to work is tough.
[11:18] <Amaranth> Tell those people compiz is not supported on their hardware
[11:18] <PriceChild> Amaranth, I assume that's a feature?
[11:18] <PriceChild> Yeah... and just think those people should be turned to -effects
[11:19] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Yeah, we have a driver whitelist, a pciid blacklist, and a whole bunch of feature checks
[11:19] <Pici> PriceChild: Thats going to be a large percentage.
[11:19] <LjL> so what? better for us.
[11:19] <PriceChild> Pici, exactly.
[11:20] <mc44> Amaranth: is there a list of whats black/whitelisted anywhere?
[11:20] <Pici> Amaranth: That would be good to put in a factoid.
[11:20] <Amaranth> mc44: rv350, rv450, (and the killer) gma 965
[11:20] <PriceChild> Pici, I assumed so by his question.... but I don't want to be nasty until I've told him myself.
[11:21] <Pici> PriceChild: Okay ;)
[11:21] <Amaranth> People with an x3000 or x3100 (intel) are probably going to be rabid
[11:21] <PriceChild> Just to be safe :)
[11:21] <Amaranth> "it's an open source driver! why doesn't it work?!?!?"
[11:21] <PriceChild> Amaranth, is that video problems on those?
[11:21] <Amaranth> PriceChild: yeah
[11:21] <PriceChild> as in video playback...
[11:21] <PriceChild> not *all* video output from it :P
[11:22] <Amaranth> If Composite is in use (means kwin compositing, xcompmgr, etc too) Xv doesn't work unless you use EXA
[11:22] <Amaranth> Which is slow and actually broken due to a patch we have in the X server to work around XAA stupidness
[11:22] <mc44> so what if people say I don't care about Xv, you can get past the blacklist?
[11:22] <Amaranth> Yes
[11:22] <Seeker`> Amaranth: What about people with an nvidia 8800?
[11:22] <Amaranth> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[11:23] <mc44> ah, nice
[11:23] <Amaranth> Seeker`: Install nvidia-glx-new
[11:23] <Seeker`> Amaranth: Done that already
[11:23] <Amaranth> Seeker`: Cry? :/
[11:23] <Amaranth> I dunno, I'm pretty pissed at nvidia
[11:23] <mc44> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist needs a factoid :)
[11:23] <Amaranth> !compiz
[11:23] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:23] <Seeker`> Amaranth: Done that too
[11:23] <Pici> Amaranth: Perhaps we should mirror that on w.u.com for the version of compiz we are shipping
[11:23] <Amaranth> time to change that one :)
[11:23] <PriceChild> Seeker`, nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[11:24] <Seeker`> PriceChild: When i reboot, X fails in a big way
[11:24] <Amaranth> Seeker`: Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf needed
[11:24] <PriceChild> 8800s aren't working in gutsy? :O
[11:24] <PriceChild> Seeker`, what's the error?
[11:24] <Seeker`> i get the failsafe reconfigure dialog
[11:24] <ikonia> what ?
[11:24] <ikonia> they should be
[11:24] <ikonia> the drivers are compatible
[11:25] <Pici> Seeker`: on Gutsy?
[11:25] <ikonia> I checked it myself
[11:27] <Seeker`> Pici: yes
[11:27] <Seeker`> trying to find the error message
[11:27] <ikonia> Seeker`: what type of 8800 ? the only problem I've seen was with a bad over clocked card that was unstable, not technically incompatible
[11:28] <Seeker`> XFX 8800 GTS XT 320MB i believe
[11:28] <Seeker`> not overclocked it myself
[11:28] <ikonia> Hmmm I've seen XFX's working
[11:29] <Seeker`> when i boot with the nvidia driver enabled, it just ends up showing me the terminal you get when you press ctrl+alt+F1 three times, then loads the failsafe thing
[11:29] <ikonia> what does the oxorg log show ?
[11:29] <ikonia> whats the reason for the failure to start
[11:29] <Seeker`> gimmie a sec, i'll try reenabling it
[11:31] <Seeker2> just rebooting now
[11:33] <Seeker2> no "EE" lines in Xorg.0.log
[11:34] <ikonia> ?
[11:34] <ikonia> what about the xgl log
[11:34] <Seeker2> ikonia: path?
[11:35] <ikonia> same path
[11:35] <ikonia> xorg.99.log or something like that
[11:37] <Seeker2> /var/log/Xorg.9.log?
[11:37] <ikonia> thats the ticket
[11:38] <Seeker2> hmm
[11:38] <Seeker2> grep for "nvidia", got nothing
[11:39] <ikonia> anything else ?
[11:39] <Seeker2> grep for "EE", got "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[11:39] <PriceChild> there'll be something wrong before that...
[11:39] <ikonia> thats interesting
[11:39] <PriceChild> a message about why the nvidia driver failed to load.
[11:39] <ikonia> yes, something a bit higher up
[11:39] <ikonia> is teh nvidia module loaded ?
[11:42] <Seeker2> there are no references to nvidia in the file
[11:43] <ikonia> is the nvidia module loaded ?
[11:43] <Seeker2> it has 'Loadmodule "nv"' though
[11:43] <ikonia> thats not the nvidia module
[11:43] <Seeker2> the module is loaded
[11:43] <Seeker2> if i do lsmod, i see nvidia
[11:43] <ikonia> thats a good start
[11:43] <ikonia> check your xorg.conf and see what driver it's trying to use, just to be certain
[11:44] <Seeker2> it says Driver nvidia in xorg.conf
[11:45] <ikonia> seems reasonable
[11:45] <ikonia> stick the xorg and xgl logs in a pastebin then
[11:45] <ikonia> lets take a look
[11:46] <PriceChild> xgl logs?
[11:46] <ikonia> bad choice of words
[11:47] <PriceChild> xgl?
[11:47] <ikonia> flxgl
[11:47] <ikonia> never remember the correct name
[11:47] <ikonia> always get it confused with the ati drivers
[11:47] <PriceChild> ? :s
[11:47] <mc44> fglrx
[11:47] <ikonia> ta
[11:48] <ikonia> never rmember all the phrases on the desktop effects stuff
[11:48] <ikonia> not my bag
[11:49] <Seeker2> http://moo.cjo20.net/Xorg.0.log.upload
[11:49] <Seeker2> http://moo.cjo20.net/Xorg.9.log.upload
[11:49] <Seeker2> http://moo.cjo20.net/xorg.conf.upload
[11:49] <ikonia> unknown chipset
[11:49] <ikonia> thats surprising
[11:51] <Seeker2> hmm
[11:52] <ikonia> looks like it wants to use the vesa driver
[11:52] <Pici> Well, thats the failsafe session on .0
[11:52] <ikonia> but even thats not launching for him
[11:52] <ikonia> looks like it doesn't know about the card
[11:53] <ikonia> complaining that the nvidia is unknown chipset
[11:54] <ikonia> I'm surprised it can't see the card
[11:54] <ikonia> or doesn't know about the card I should say 
[11:57] <Seeker2> any suggestions?
[11:58] <ikonia> looks like  bug in the driver
[12:00] <ikonia> see if one is already logged ?
[12:03] <Seeker2> looking now
[12:07] <Seeker2> cant see anything that matches exactly
[12:19] <PriceChild> *didn't touch anything*
[12:22] <jdong> PriceChild: both hands on keyboard now!