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Jucatowth! I made the mistaked of running basket outside of kontact once. and now it's missing in kontact, even if kontactrc says that the plugin is enabled03:08
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DaSkreechI never use kontact03:39
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neversfelde|mobiDaSkreech: you should do :)03:59
DaSkreechI know I know04:00
DaSkreechonce we setup our LDAP server at work I'll probably have it stand off with chandler04:00
DaSkreechAnyone having KDE freeze cause of tooltips?04:02
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neversfelde|mobiDaSkreech: no04:12
neversfelde|mobiI only got freezes because of knetworkmanager the last days04:12
DaSkreechI'm updating again to se if it fixes it04:13
neversfelde|mobigood luck ;)04:13
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nixternalman, I am drawing a blank right now...what are some other new apps in KDE 4 besides Okular and Dolphin?05:35
Jucatokdegames? plasmoids?05:36
nixternalgot the plasmoids wrapped together with Plasma05:37
nixternalI mean like brand new05:37
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nixternalactually...no, I will list a couple new apps, and then list some updated apps05:37
nixternalthat will fill in the bullets05:37
Jucatocome to think of it.. no I don't know any new apps :)05:38
Jucatosilly basket-kontact bug annoying me05:39
nixternalKDE Games, KOffice, Amarok...anything else getting a big update that comes to mind05:39
Jucatofunky new kwin?05:41
nixternalooh, good call05:41
Tm_TKopete? :(05:41
Jucatough don't remind me...05:41
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Tm_TJucato: remind05:41
nixternalKopete isn't going to be pretty, at least that is what I have been reading05:42
nixternalthey just now started the KDE 4 porting of it05:42
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Jucatoso will kmail.. and prinkint...05:43
Jucatobah can't tipe05:43
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Jucatothat's my line!05:44
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Tm_Tnixternal: no, porting has been going on, BUT there's lot of things we have to drop off because of "new" schedule05:45
Tm_Teven our roadmap is still claiming we're aiming to 4.105:46
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DaSkreechHi Hobbsee05:49
DaSkreechthe picross thing05:53
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imbrandonJucato: got a sec ?06:36
Jucatoimbrandon: a few, yeah :)06:37
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nixternalcheck that out and let me know how it reads07:23
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Tm_Tnixternal: " is missing from end of page 508:04
Tm_Tnixternal: page 6: shouldnt it be "Monopoly-Free"08:05
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coreymon77for some reason im still awake at 3;30 in the morning09:36
coreymon77and on irc for that matter09:37
coreymon77i really dont know why09:37
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blekoshello, everytime i boot and login to my session there is a popup indow "Information-kdeSudo" No command arguments supplied09:44
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fdovingblekos: somehow 'kdesudo' is executed at login without any arguments.11:16
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nixternalTm_T: good catch on the missing " and - :)01:53
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nixternalnothing like waking up at 06:3001:56
stdinheh, I woke up at 10:00am :)01:56
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nixternalwho wants to give my KDE 4 talk today? I am to tired :)01:58
stdinit's easy "KDE4: Umm, it's broke right now. But it will rocK!!"01:58
Jucatostart with KDE 4.0 != KDE 401:58
Jucatoyay!! mailing list thread about people who don't know the diff between your and you're!01:59
stdinyeah, I saw that too :p01:59
stdinI'm guessing it's going to be one of those threads that never dies02:00
nixternaloh fun02:00
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=== nixternal needs a Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte and a Pumpkin Scone
Hobbseeoh, fuck.02:02
nixternalya, it is that good, makes me say the same thing :)02:02
Hobbseeno, that was unrelated :P02:02
Hobbseenow what am i going to do?02:02
nixternaldance until your feet hurt!02:02
Hobbseeit's mum's birthday tomorrow.02:03
nixternaloh shiiiiite02:03
Jucatooh kraaaaap02:03
nixternalbirthday's are easy....02:03
Jucatono gift yet?02:03
nixternalHobbsee: make a card! I like when someone makes me a card over just buying one02:04
nixternalplus it saves you money :)02:04
stdinmake a card and take her out to dinner02:04
Hobbseenixternal: well, i put all the money away tonight, so i'm too late to do the other anyway :P02:04
HobbseeJucato: correct.02:04
HobbseeJucato: i didnt realise it was already this far in october02:04
nixternalhahaha, Hobbsee, October just started :)02:04
Jucatomake here a slideshow w/ music and lots of mushy sentimental text :)02:04
Hobbseeyes, and tomorrow's the 7th.02:05
nixternalmy daughter and x's birthday are next friday, but I already got their gifts :)02:05
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nixternalHobbsee: does mom work?02:05
nixternallike will she be home when you wake up?02:05
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nixternaloh shit, ya, you are screwed, unless you can get up earlier than her and get out and get a gift02:05
Hobbseethat depends on when i wake up :P02:06
nixternalstay up then :)02:06
Hobbseenot that crazy, usually02:06
nixternalit isn't like that is something new to you :p02:06
Hobbseestaying up all nigth is02:07
Hobbseei've only done it a couple of times02:07
Hobbseelike, and going 24+ hours without sleeping02:07
Hobbseegone to bed at 6am a couple of times02:07
nixternalit is only 10pm there, crash now and get up early02:08
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Jucatoer.. I meant dinner02:09
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Jucatohow many pointy sticks left? :)02:09
Jucatoanyone want to be daring and test a basket-kontact integration bug? warning, you might never be able to get basket back into kontact :)02:10
Hobbseegood - i dont want to have to keep kontact, just to have basket :P02:11
Jucatowell last night, I ran basket outside of kontact. this morning, when I ran kontact, basket's gone from the components. everywhere. even if kontactrc says it's enabled02:12
Hobbseewoudlnt surprise me, we probably have to rebuild basket.02:13
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Hobbseewont help02:14
Hobbseeoh wait, might help02:14
Hobbseegive it a shot, anyway02:14
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Hobbseebut i doubt it02:16
Hobbsee(and grrr, why does ctrl+q close konvi?)02:16
Jucatowelcome to my error last week :)02:16
Jucatobut it should ask you if you want to close konvi iirc02:17
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Jucatoyep it should02:17
Hobbseeah yes, which i disabled02:17
Hobbseebecause when i tell it to exit, i actually want it to exit.02:17
Hobbseevia the alt+f4 method.02:18
Hobbseereinstalling didnt help, i take it?02:21
Jucatostill installing :)02:22
Jucatostarting kontact02:22
Jucatonope didn't work..02:22
Jucatolet me see if removing *rc files work02:22
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Hobbseehiya jpatrick02:28
Jucatohiya jpatrick! how's katapult coming along?02:28
jpatrickhi Hobbsee02:28
jpatrickJucato: converted to CMake, one bug busted02:28
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Jucatothis is from the main katapult right?02:28
jpatrickit's not yet commited to the dev branch tho02:29
JucatoI was just wondering about katapult fast track...02:29
jpatrickI took most of the cmake from that :)02:29
Jucatohow about the features? and fixes?02:30
Jucatohe claims to have fixed a lot of stuff in katapult02:30
Jucato(the dev put that in his "resum" for applying to be a basket dev)02:30
jpatrickI'll look into later, there's still a problem with the doc bug..02:31
JucatoI was able to build katapult fast track, but not run it.. probably because I didn't install in system dirs..02:31
Jucatoanyway.. brb..02:31
Jucatogood luck with that jpatrick!! :)02:31
jpatrickthanks :)02:32
JucatoI have somewhat lost interest in katapult because of the sort of stagnation... I still use it though02:32
Jucatonot as addicted or dependent on it anymore as before though02:32
Hobbseeyay, katapult.02:35
Jucatothen it has to be ported to Qt4/KDE402:35
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jpatrickallee: guten tag02:37
jpatrickJucato: yeah :|02:37
Hobbseeguten tag allee, wie gehts?02:37
Jucatobtw... toma is/was a member of the council right?02:38
alleejpatrick: long time not seen :)02:38
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nixternalJucato: yes02:38
alleeaber was soll's.  Mir geht gut.  Kinder alle aus den Haus.  Seltsam diese Ruhe02:38
Hobbseeallee: i dont think so - but the development channels do sometimes switch to german.02:38
jpatrickgerman rocks02:38
Hobbseeit does.  i wish i spoke it better02:38
Jucatook. just wondering why he's blog wasn't on planet ubuntu... but  now he's moving to mandriva anyway :(02:38
alleehehe.  At least the women in soccer :)02:39
mhbJucato: toma's moving to mandriva? Nice.02:39
Jucatonot exactly the reaction I expected... but.. oh well02:40
mhbJucato: well it could have been worse, switch to Windows or something.02:40
alleeah, is there a story about toma I missed since my 2 days absense02:40
Jucatoah no. moving to mandriva because of kubuntu..02:40
Jucatoso it's still bad02:40
Hobbseeallee: what does aber was soll's. mean?02:41
Jucatooh well... time to get unbusy...02:41
mhbJucato: if it makes him happy02:42
mhbJucato: :o)02:42
mhbJucato: I actually love all kinds of competition, it makes software better02:42
nixternalJucato: is he moving, or just trying? I thought I ready he was just trying it I thought02:42
Jucato"So, for now I'm a happy Mandriva user (sorry Planet Kubuntu readers)."02:42
jpatrickHobbsee: I think it's  "but what shall it" :>02:43
nixternalhrmm, and he isn't hanging out in here...that sucks02:43
Jucatomhb: I'm not against competition. but a loss is a loss02:43
Hobbseejpatrick: ah right02:43
Jucatohe'll be back >:)02:43
nixternalwe need to figure out a way to draw in some more developers02:44
mhbI think we should work on artwork more in Hardy. OpenSUSE is really praised for "beautiful artwork", and all we changed is a wallpaper02:44
nixternalthe one good thing about LTS coming up, is we get to concentrate on what is already there more and bugs02:44
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mhbthe new o-s 10.3, I mean (reading the dot and such).02:45
nixternalopenSUSE praised for artwork? that is the only thing besides RPM and KBFX that I do not like about openSUSE02:45
nixternalall openSUSE has done with 10.3 was add transparency to the kicker, and updated their green background from what I could see so far02:46
nixternaland I must say, their netinstall iso is pretty good now02:46
mhbnixternal: their wallpaper is a bit nicer than ours, in my humble opinion (colours aside)02:47
Hobbseetheir wm settings all look the same, from each release02:47
Hobbseereminds me of XP02:47
alleetoma is in #mailody02:48
nixternalHobbsee: look at PCLinuxOS if you want to see Windows XP02:49
Hobbseeyeah, well.02:49
alleeHobbsee: mhmm.  No idea how to translate 'was soll's'.  Maybe who cares, I do it nevertheless  (it = write in german)02:50
mhbsomething like "how are you? how should I be?" although you may not get it in english02:51
nixternalbut ya, openSUSE has probably done less theme/color changes than we have02:51
Hobbseeallee: :)02:51
nixternalplus...who really keeps their default wallpaper in the first place?02:51
Hobbseei saw a whole lot at UDS who had02:52
Hobbseemind you, it was the gnome one02:52
mhbRiddell: did you manage to fix the "guidance items in systemsettings are not translated" you had in your TODO?02:52
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mhbalso, did we manage to insert the Dolphin translation into Gutsy?02:58
mhbI have a fairly recent system and Dolphin is in English completely02:58
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HobbseeRiddell: who's doing packages for gutsy, etc, of kde?04:58
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ScottKApt seems to think I want strigi-daemon reinstalled today.  Any suggestions on what I have to remove to get it to actually go away and not come back?06:16
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stdinScottK: kubuntu-desktop depends on strigi-daemon06:34
ScottKstdin: Depends or recommends?06:34
ScottKIt was recommends.06:34
stdinrecommends yeah06:35
ScottKWhich is why I'm suprised I got it back.06:35
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stdinhmm, shouldn't "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" or "kfmclient openURL ..." start dolphin not konqueror now?07:04
Tm_Tnixternal: havent read further yet on it, so, who knows there's more :p07:13
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yuriystdin: kfmclient exec does and that's the only one i would really expect to07:29
stdinyuriy: well if dolphin is going to be the default filemanager, then the others should07:30
yuriystdin: dolphin can't open web url's so openURL wouldn't make sense, and it doesn't have profiles so openProfile wouldn't make sense07:32
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CreationistCould someone help me track down why Amarok will no longer start in Gutsy?07:59
nixternalCreationist: I can't, but where at in Michigan are you from?08:00
ScottKCreationist: I can't get it to start either.  Did you file a bug?08:02
Creationistnixternal: Grand Rapids area08:03
CreationistScottK: I haven't yet... figured I wanted to make sure it was a bug first.08:03
CreationistBut it obviously is.08:03
ScottKCreationist: Please file a bug and then give me the bug number.  I'll confirm it.08:04
ScottKCreationist: When you file the bug, please start amarok from a Konsole shell and copy/paste the output from there in the bug.08:04
ScottKI want to make sure we're having the same problem.08:05
emonkeyhmm here it starts... with some warnings but it does08:07
emonkeyI'll try it on my other computers later too08:07
CreationistScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/14993608:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149936 in amarok "Amarok will not start in Kubuntu Gutsy" [Undecided,New] 08:13
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ScottKDifferent issue than I had.08:14
ScottKBut since the bug is "Won't Start" I can confirm that.08:15
ScottKCreationist: I take it back.  It does start for me now.08:17
ScottKWas that the only thing the consolse said?08:17
CreationistScottK: See, that's part of my issue too.... every now and then it will just work.08:17
CreationistAnd yes, that's all it ever said.08:17
ScottKWhen you start it, what do you type in the Konsole window?08:18
CreationistAs a side not, I would expect such a vague "error" message from Windows, not Linux.08:19
ScottKIt's not from Linux, it's from Amarok.08:19
CreationistScottK: Which is a Linux project.... I simply meant in general... from the Linux community.08:20
ScottKTry running top in another console window and see if there is evidence of some other process hanging.08:20
ScottKCreationist: Linux has it's share of crap coders too.08:20
ScottKNot to mention crap triagers <-- Me (amarok started for me the first time too, just failed to notice it).08:21
CreationistScottK: There aren't any hung applications that I can tell... but according to top, amarok is usiing quite a bit of my resources08:21
ScottKCreationist: What happens if you type amarokapp instead of amarok?08:22
CreationistScottK: Absolutely nothing... just sits there issuing no output.08:23
ScottKDoes anythin amarok related show up in ps -AF?08:24
CreationistScottK: Amarokapp shows up08:24
ScottKOK.  Sounds like it's time to learn about valgrind and find out what's hanging.08:25
ScottKNOTE: I'm not the guy to ask for valgrind help.08:25
Creationistamarokapp actually shows up twice08:25
ScottKCreationist: Kill them both (sudo kill pidnumber) and try again.08:25
Creationisthehe, And I've never even heard of valgrind except when starting amarok from a konsole it will sometimes say NEVER to run valgrind against amarok ;)08:25
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ScottKThe documentation for valgrind doesn't completely suck.  I was able to do what I needed from the docs the one time I've needed it.08:26
CreationistScottK: I got some output this time and added it to the bug report08:29
ScottKThat's pretty normal.08:31
ScottKCreationist: Back to valgrind.08:31
Creationistalright, I'll try that later... I have to get ready for work.08:32
CreationistThanks for you help.08:32
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DaSkreechWho's in charge of kdesudo ?09:47
stdinMaintainer: Anthony Mercatante <tonio@ubuntu.com>09:49
DaSkreechOr rather I could just ask :-P09:55
DaSkreech is kdesudo kept active the entire time that a sudoed app is running?09:55
stdinlooks like it09:55
DaSkreechThat's not cool at all09:55
stdinunless the app you called forks off into another process09:55
stdinwhy not cool?09:55
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DaSkreechcause people kdesu two things in my experience09:55
DaSkreechAdept and kate09:55
DaSkreechkate esp can be kept open for long periods of time while troubleshooting09:55
DaSkreech worse if they kdesu konqueror to do some GUi level admin. The entire time that's open it leaves them unerable09:55
jpatrickI think it comes down to common sense09:55
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DaSkreechWhy should it be common sense that if you run a command it gives all subsequent commands root capabilties as long as that one is open?09:55
stdinwhat? "kdesudo xterm" gives all command in there root?!?  ;)09:59
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DaSkreechpraise be for sudo -i :)10:01
Tm_TI just use root shell session in Konsole10:01
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jpatrickI prefer sudo -s10:01
ffixxxhi is there an easy way to enable compiz(-fusion) in kubuntu?10:01
stdinI wonder what would happen if I set my login shell to "sudo -i" :p10:01
nosrednaekimTm_T: sooo old fashioned10:01
nosrednaekimffixxx: support in #kubuntu10:02
Tm_Tnosrednaekim: I know10:02
ffixxxi am using gutsy10:02
Tm_Tffixxx: then #ubuntu+110:02
nosrednaekimTm_T: and nowhere near as l33t10:02
Tm_Tffixxx: also #ubuntu-effects for compiz and related10:02
nosrednaekimffixxx: or #ubuntu-effects10:02
ffixxxbtw my fonts look blurry since upgrading...10:04
nosrednaekimffixxx: what graphics card do you have?10:05
nosrednaekimwhoops... wrong channel :)10:06
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jjessehi fdoving11:17
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fdovinghi jjesse. tried opensuse?11:26
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jjessefdoving: i tried it once, was just reading james ots entry on the first look, downloading it now11:26
jjessei got a new dell laptop that i am switching over to this weekend11:27
jjesse4 gigs of ram finally11:27
fdovingyay :)11:28
fdovingwhich dell?11:28
fdovingnice. i have a d62011:28
jjessethe current d820 that i have only supports 3.2 gigs of RAM11:28
jjessebios limitiation or something11:28
jjesseso dell shipped me a new one that supports the full 4 gigs11:28
fdovingyeah, probably the stupid memory-hole-issue many bioses suffer from.11:29
jjessedell support kept telling me that it was a limitation of my 32-bit OS11:29
jjessethey didn't understand the bios was reporting only 3.2 was available11:29
jjessenow i just gotta figure out how to switch everything over so i don't loose too much :(11:30
fdovingrsync :)11:30
jjessersync between my two laptops?11:32
jjessewow the download from the opensuse mirror is faster then the download from relaese.ubuntu.com11:33
fdovingi usually make a nfsserver on one side, then rsync folders over from one machine to the other. with two 1GBit ethernet interfaces an a cable that can be pretty fast.11:35
jjessebefore i've used my external usb drives11:36
fdovingthat is also an option.11:36
jjessewhats the best way to get all my emails in kmail out?11:38
fdovingi usually copy ~/.kde to get all kde settings.11:38
jjessethe last time i got that, i got a lot of blank emails when i copied the folder back in11:39
fdovingbut copying ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail will get your mail i guess.11:39
jjessei don't see an "export" in kontact11:40
fdovingi use IMAP and store everything on the server, so it's not something i think about much, but that sounds weird.11:40
jjessekontact version 1.2.4 (enterprise)11:40
jjesseoh well i;'ll figure it out after dinner11:42
jjessewife is waiting to go out11:42
fdovingmight be interessting for you.11:43
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