[01:19] <hype_> im' SURE they did it to test the x crash utility
[01:19] <hype_> :D
[01:20] <hype_> well, bulletproof X
[01:20] <erichj> wouldn't they have selected something smaller to test it with?
[01:20] <erichj> melody, usser is restarting. he will be back in a moment or two
[01:20] <savvas> i have, in gentoo hehe
[01:21] <melody> okay
[01:21] <strangelv> #ubuntu-studio seems to be an idlefest
[01:21] <ppj> blah these updates wiped out my mounts
[01:22] <melody> brb
[01:22] <strangelv> "...instead of pressinhg 'y'
[01:22] <strangelv> wb
[01:23] <erichj> usser, melody will be back in a moment or two
[01:23] <ppj> lol
[01:23] <ppj> yeah i just updated and lost all of my media mounts
[01:23] <usser> but how can this possible though how can they put packages that break deps in the repos??
[01:23] <erichj> usser, you get what you pay for.
[01:24] <usser> erichj: which is zilch ))
[01:24] <level1> when should I start updating again?  Have the package dependencies been fixed?
[01:24] <usser> level1: nope
[01:24] <usser> level1: tomorrow probably
[01:24] <erichj> i'm updating right now. waiting to see if ipod mounting is still borked
[01:25] <level1> usser: will there be more bug fixing for NetworkManager and freinds? its very weird with my school's network, crashing or failing to connect
[01:26] <ppj> How can you list your harddrives that arent mounted
[01:26] <usser> level1: i dunno i turn off networkManager first thing
[01:26] <ppj> like hda sda etc
[01:26] <melody_> usser: hi
[01:26] <usser> ppj: ls /dev/sd*
[01:26] <usser> ppj: ls /dev/hd*
[01:26] <ppj> thanks
[01:26] <usser> melody_: the old one works?
[01:26] <melody_> back.  on wifi, btw.     Backing off to 2.6.22.12 worked fine.  I guess 2.6.22.13 will be just a matter of time then?
[01:26] <IndyGunFreak> anyone else have issues with the dictionary panel applet>?... its not working for me.
[01:27] <level1> if it wouldn't for that little problem, gutsy would be the sanest OS I've used, so I hope there's improvement on that
[01:27] <level1> usser: what do you do without NetworkManager?
[01:27] <level1> connect on the command line?
[01:27] <melody_> usser: yes works fine.   now which leads me to my next question..  where is the grub editor in kubuntu? (or do I need to get via konsole)
[01:27] <strangelv> IndyGunFreak: what's the name of the applet?  I can't say I've run it
[01:27] <usser> melody_: what do u mean grub editor the menu is at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> strangelv: dictionary look up.v  it doesn't let me type anythin in the gox
[01:28] <melody_> well, I'm more familiar with pclinuxos that has a boot menu editor..  but I can manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst no problem
[01:29] <melody_> okay...  altered menu.lst default kernel.
[01:29] <melody_> thanks.
[01:29] <strangelv> IndyGunFreak: do you have a name for the executable and/or package?
[01:29] <usser> melody_: np
[01:30] <IndyGunFreak> strangelv: no sorry i don't, i just lcick add to panel, then dictionarylookup
[01:34] <strangelv> :: tries dictionarylookup, but neither ard of itnbash nor apt-get has he
[01:35] <DigitalNinja> does anyone know how to get the screensaver plugin working for compiz?
[01:36] <usser> heh comcast?
[01:37] <RoC_MasterMind> "Your router is affected by a bug"
[01:37] <usser> aha
[01:37] <RoC_MasterMind> meh muh meh meh meh
[01:37] <usser> a bug they say
[01:37] <RoC_MasterMind> shut up and let me join.
[01:37] <RoC_MasterMind> I do their little fix for xchat and it still is broken
[01:37] <RoC_MasterMind> but when I open another connection to the server I get joined fine
[01:37] <contrast83> Greets, everyone.
[01:38] <strangelv> contrast83:Hello
[01:38] <RoC_MasterMind> I've been joining fine for ages...is this a new checkc?
[01:38] <carwash> can i go straight from 6.10 to gutsy?
[01:38] <RoC_MasterMind__> no carwash
[01:38] <usser> carwash: backup and clean install
[01:38] <carwash> didn't think so :/
[01:38] <strangelv> what are the problems?
[01:38] <carwash> is there a way to do a netinstall?
[01:39] <carwash> I'm tired of burning cds that don't work
[01:39] <contrast83> Anyone else having trouble with the latest update? My system hangs at a black screen with a blinking cursor after the bootsplash completes.
[01:39] <strangelv> I remember when upgrades with Debian or Debian based wire trivial
[01:39] <usser> contrast83: the latest update was incomplete
[01:39] <contrast83> carwash: are you using cd-rws?
[01:39] <carwash> nope
[01:39] <usser> contrast83: press esc when grub boots and boot older kernel, 2.6.22.12
[01:40] <carwash> i'm guessing my drive might be bust
[01:40] <usser> contrast83: for now, i guess they'll fix it soon
[01:40] <contrast83> usser: I already tried that. Could only boot into safe mode.
[01:41] <contrast83> And I got "no manageable screens found" when I ran /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:41] <tecumseh> hi there
[01:41] <pwnguin> strangelv: no, i dont
[01:41] <usser> contrast83: with old kernel or the new one?
[01:41] <pwnguin> strangelv: when was it trivial?
[01:41] <contrast83> Old.
[01:41] <usser> contrast83: which video card u have?
[01:41] <contrast83> nVidia 7600 GS
[01:42] <usser> contrast83: reinstall nvidia-glx-new
[01:42] <tecumseh> latest update broke my restricted modules, anyone else having the same problems? Re-enabeling the modules suggests me to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic but that package is not available
[01:43] <contrast83> usser: I tried that and found I wasn't online. Ran NetworkManager and it complained dbus wasn't running, wasn't sure what to do at that point. /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[01:43] <usser> contrast83: and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22.12
[01:43] <thorett> well, i just updated my gutsy version and my X seemed to "crash"
[01:43] <thorett> i suspect it has something to do with the "linux-restricted-modules-generic" package is held back
[01:43] <usser> contrast83: dang it really screwed it up huh
[01:43] <contrast83> indeed
[01:43] <Some_Person> why is gutsy taking so long for release?
[01:43] <Some_Person> also what will be changed in the final version from the beta?
[01:44] <thorett> ideas, any1?
[01:44] <usser> contrast83: did u try networking restart?
[01:44] <strangelv> Some_Person? is it late? I thought it was on schedule
[01:44] <usser> contrast83: try it
[01:44] <contrast83> Some_Person: The feature freeze already happened, so don't expect much more than bug fixes
[01:44] <CroiX> how long does it usually take before new hardware can be expected to be fully supported?
[01:44] <Some_Person> shouldn't there be an RC by now?
[01:44] <erichj> it is on schedule. you should look at the release schedule
[01:44] <contrast83> usser: i'll give it a shot.
[01:44] <erichj> Some_Person, there have been 6
[01:45] <usser> CroiX: depends if hardware is popular/mass producted 1-6 months
[01:45] <Some_Person> afaik, the latest thing is a beta, not an RC
[01:45] <strangelv> Beta is new
[01:45] <erichj> well, there are no real RCs for ubuntu
[01:45] <erichj> final is the 18th of this month
[01:45] <strangelv> there was a bit of time between the last alpha and the beta, which is why this machine was set up from a development snapshot
[01:45] <erichj> this isn't windows
[01:46] <CroiX> I was just wondering, because there seems to be problems with touch pads for a long long time for example
[01:46] <strangelv> CroiX: what problems are you encountering?
[01:46] <erichj> CroiX, how so. mine functions perfectly
[01:47] <usser> the key word was )))
[01:47] <Some_Person> windows is not very good
[01:47] <usser> oh actually its not
[01:47] <CroiX> I have the 'SHMConfig' problem...I cannot configure it
[01:48] <jpt9> hey
[01:48] <usser> hello
[01:49] <jpt9> i'm running the beta livecd.  i ran the gui synaptic package manager and updated the list of packages.  it froze on the last one; I force quit it.
[01:49] <jpt9> except there's still a copy of synaptic running in the background, and I can't seem to kill it.
[01:49] <usser> jpt9: ps -al | grep synaptic
[01:49] <jpt9> i've tried kill -9 [pid] , and it doesn't work.  it doesn't complain with any sort of error...
[01:49] <erichj> kill -9 <pid>
[01:49] <usser> jpt9: sudo kill
[01:49] <erichj> hmm
[01:49] <gene6482> anyone get sound working on a toshiba laptop?
[01:49] <CroiX> I've been trying to fix it for over a month...I've tried everything except loading ALPS driver, because I can't figure out how...the vendor assures me that it is Synaptics and not ALPS anyway.
[01:51] <wabiD> has anyone tried compiling xbmc for linux
[01:51] <CroiX> ksynaptics always says that the shared memory is inaccessible...the xorg.0.log seems to suggest that the hardware is not even being detected because it unloads the driver
[01:52] <CroiX> the touch pad works, but is too sensitive and cannot be adjusted or disabled
[01:53] <CroiX> I've submitted a couple of bug reports, but I have not found any evidence that anyone has even looked at them
[01:53] <strangelv> wabiD: what is xbmc?
[01:53] <wabiD> xboxmediacenter
[01:54] <strangelv> CroiX: I had trouble with sensitivity at first but eventually got used to it, although for pixel-specific graphics manipulations it's stilla  pain
[01:54] <DigitalNinja> Is there a channel for compiz or ubuntu compiz?
[01:54] <CroiX> strangelv, so you can't configure yours either?
[01:55] <contrast83> usser: same output from NM after networking restart. i'll just download the packages on my laptop and burn them. hopefully that works out.
[01:55] <contrast83> usser: in any case, thanks a lot for your help. peace out.
[01:55] <jpt9> anyone else have any ideas on how to kill synaptic?
[01:55] <usser> contrast83: yea but the internet this only fixes video
[01:55] <contrast83> DigitalNinja: /join compiz-fusion
[01:55] <szf> anyone dipping in the 200+ updates?
[01:56] <DigitalNinja> Thanks
[01:56] <contrast83> usser: hmm... isn't it possible i can't get online because it's only loading in safe mode though?
[01:56] <contrast83> i.e., the module for my network card might be a restricted one, thus it's not getting loaded.
[01:56] <gene6482> anyone get sound working on a toshiba laptop?
[01:56] <strangelv> CroiX: what I was able to do on a different machine was to open gsynaptics, which couldns't make permanant changes on startup, disable tapping and unwanted scrolling
[01:56] <crimsun> gene6482: need more details, please.
[01:56] <usser> contrast83: oh yea right, right i forgot u ran in safe mode
[01:57] <crimsun> gene6482: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and execute it.
[01:57] <wabiD> i had 212 this morning
[01:57] <CroiX> strangelv, well, I can
[01:57] <contrast83> cool. alright then, later.
[01:57] <CroiX> whoops
[01:57] <usser> contrast83: this packages should be in cache though
[01:57] <strangelv> I have a chronic problem of having random unpredictable center-clicks pasting to whatever random location my mouse cursor is at, and until I get a manager set up to run to disable tapping, that will continue
[01:57] <contrast83> usser: ohh yeah. duh. heh, thanks.
[01:57] <usser> contrast83: in /var/cache/apt/archives that is ))
[01:57] <CroiX> strangelv, well, I can't even seem to get that far because when I launch ksynaptics it just says it cannot access shared memory and everything is greyed out
[01:57] <Some_Person> Have they finalized the Gutsy artwork yet?
[01:58] <contrast83> yep, i know. :-)
[01:58] <strangelv> Some_Person: I'm assuming so, per definition beta
[01:58] <gene6482> crimsun: i'm not on that machine at the moment, but basically, for my toshiba laptop, under both edgy and feisty, i needed a custom DSDT file, under gutsy, the sound doesn't work regardless, alsa is set up correctly, that I'm pretty sure of
[01:58] <hype_> any idea when linux-resricted-modules will be available?
[01:58] <contrast83> i'm embarassed i hadn't thought of that.
[01:58] <usser> hype_: nope
[01:58] <CroiX> I think it cannot access shared memory because the driver is not even loaded because the hardware is not detected
[01:58] <strangelv> hype_: I'm assuming probably within the next 12-24 hours
[01:58] <Some_Person> strangelv: what wallpaper is included? lion?
[01:58] <crimsun> gene6482: one of the cursed A100 or P100 series using Realtek?
[01:59] <hype_> yeah probably
[01:59] <strangelv> Some_Person: I don't know.  Let me see if there's something called LIon
[01:59] <gene6482> crimsun: it's a P105, with Conexant, but similar issues
[01:59] <crimsun> gene6482: nevertheless, please run the above script and tell me the url.
[02:00] <CroiX> well, it looks like today's updates have KDE and kernel updates again...last time those were updated it uninstalled half of my software and broke my display drivers...sigh
[02:00] <strangelv> Some_Person: I don't see anything with 'lion' in the name
[02:00] <gene6482> crimsun: i'll have to do it when i get home, i'm at work right now
[02:00] <crimsun> gene6482: that's fine
[02:00] <erichj> gotta restart
[02:00] <CroiX> oh well, I suppose I need the extra experience getting all of that stuff working again anyway
[02:00] <strangelv> CroiX: I must admit my main problem is dist-upgrade insists on installing Gnome, which I neither use nor want
[02:01] <Some_Person> strangelv: so did they put in the brown curved line vista-looking one?
[02:01] <strangelv> Some_Person: Got another name guess?
[02:01] <CroiX> strangelv, hmm...did you install Ubuntu and then install KDE, or did you install Kubuntu?
[02:01] <Some_Person> strangelv: sorry, dont have its name
[02:01] <strangelv> Some_Person: wait... brown... you're looking for Gnome Ubuntu.  Sorry -- my included wallpapers will be different.  I'm running Kubuntu
[02:02] <Some_Person> strangelv: oh, nvm
[02:02] <CroiX> that does seem odd indeed
[02:02] <strangelv> CroiX: I installed Kubuntu
[02:02] <Some_Person> They aught to open up #kubuntu+1
[02:03] <strangelv> CroiX: I have two Ubuntustudio meta packages that previously haven't required Gnome that abruptly do
[02:03] <CroiX> when did that start?
[02:03] <gnubuntu12> What's the latest kernel? My Kernel is 2.6.22-12-generic (#1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007)
[02:04] <strangelv> CroiX: maybe within the past 48 hoursn
[02:04] <jpt9> so no one knows of a way of killing synaptic short of just rebooting the computer?  (which is *really* annoying with a livecd)
[02:04] <CroiX> jpt9, did you try ps -aux?
[02:04] <strangelv> CroiX: I'm contemplating a bug report, but two people here have said it shouldn't be filed as such, but pointed me to #ubuntu-studio, which is completely idle
[02:04] <CroiX> jpt9, then kill -9
[02:04] <jpt9> yeah.
[02:05] <jpt9> i tried that.
[02:05] <jpt9> it doesn't work.
[02:05] <Some_Person> I'm looking at the screenshots, yeah they did put in the vista-looking-but-brown wallpaper, i thing they ought to switch to the lion one
[02:05] <contrast83> Thanks usser :-D
[02:05] <CroiX> jpt9, that is the only way I know of
[02:05] <erichj> update went great for me
[02:05] <jpt9> this is weird.
[02:05] <CroiX> jpt9, are you sure you did the kill -9 <process #>
[02:05] <crimsun> strangelv: err, #ubuntustudio?
[02:05] <strangelv> erichj: I'm glad to hear someone's not had problems with it
[02:06] <contrast83> jpt9: apt cache locked?
[02:07] <jpt9> no clue.  how do i check?
[02:07] <erichj> try install a package
[02:07] <contrast83> jpt9: why do you need to kill synaptic?
[02:07] <jpt9> it is locked.
[02:07] <jpt9> the gui synaptic package manager froze, and i force quit it.
[02:07] <jpt9> synaptic is still running.
[02:07] <erichj> sudo dpkg configure -a
[02:08] <jpt9> and I can't run anything else that needs it.
[02:08] <contrast83> jpt9: Erm. You're running Synaptic from the live CD?
[02:08] <jpt9> yes.
[02:08] <strangelv> crimsum: I stand corrected: #ubuntustudio
[02:08] <CroiX> jpt9, try dpkg --reconfigure -a
[02:08] <contrast83> Why?
[02:08] <jpt9> dpkg complains about needing an action option.
[02:08] <erichj> contrast83, that is what i was wondering
[02:08] <jpt9> contrast83: why not?
[02:08] <jpt9> :-D
[02:09] <jpt9> to install trackpoint adjustment stuff, nvidia drivers, blender...
[02:09] <contrast83> it's dpkg --configure -a i think
[02:09] <contrast83> jpt9: that's for after you install the OS
[02:09] <erichj> yeah --configure
[02:09] <jpt9> status database area is locked by another process.
[02:09] <CroiX> oh, sorry
[02:10] <contrast83> jpt9: try this -  <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:10] <jpt9> still doesn't work.
[02:10] <jpt9> for some reason, synaptic refuses to die.
[02:11] <contrast83> jpt9: for future reference, don't try installing packages on a system that's read-only when you're installing them. ;-)
[02:11] <erichj> personally i wouldn't have tried to install stuff from a live session
[02:11] <jpt9> it's worked perfectly fine before :-)
[02:11] <erichj> with a beta version?
[02:12] <jpt9> well, gutsy tribe 5.
[02:12] <jpt9> (IIRC)
[02:12] <contrast83> with *any* version, i find it surprising that'd work (not saying i don't believe you, just surprised :-) )
[02:12] <jpt9> what parts of the filesystem are read-only exactly?
[02:13] <contrast83> jpt9: Umm... The CD-ROM it's being read from.
[02:13] <jpt9> yeah...
[02:14] <jpt9> i take it the whole unionfs thingy (I think) doesn't cover the entire filesystem then.
[02:14] <contrast83> sorry, unfamiliar?
[02:14] <crimsun> (cupsys already available)
[02:15] <contrast83> strangelv: syndock
[02:16] <dennda> 
[02:16] <dennda> sorry
[02:16] <strangelv> contrast83: thank you.  I'm now able to duplicate someone's inability to get it to not terminate with errors
[02:16] <contrast83> strangelv: you can always check the packages' installed files in your package manager. i realize you shouldn't have to though. :-)
[02:16] <strangelv> is that apt-get or apt-cache to do that with?
[02:17] <strangelv> actually, not shoming up in the menuing system is very arguably a bug -- and it's one that hits possibly a majority of things
[02:17] <contrast83> strangelv: Umm... I'm not sure. I just do that from the GUI. Been meaning to get down the CLI way of doing it though.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> strangelv: dpkg -S
[02:18] <contrast83> yeah... i mean, how hard is it to write a desktop file when you're making a package? they only need what, < 10 lines to function.
[02:19] <contrast83> not to say i'm not eternally indebted to all the ubuntu packagers, just saying. :-D
[02:20] <strangelv> nosrednaekim: thank you for that.  Hopefully I'll remember it and get better results with other packages
[02:20] <strangelv> contrast83: There's a debian menu system that works with ALL packages, but I can't remember what it's called.  That or it was broken last time I tried to install it (wasn't on this machine)
[02:20] <KevlarSoul>  I installed Ubuntu on a partition it made, everything looked great, when I rebooted there was no dual boot screen, went straight into winblows?
[02:21] <strangelv> KevlarSoul: Windows Vista?
[02:21] <Lilacor> If I am still encountering gimp-python errors, is my system basically hosed unless I know how to resolve this mess manually?
[02:21] <KevlarSoul> strangelv yes
[02:21] <strangelv> KevlarSoul: I've read that Vista is overwriting the boot manager.  There's a solution, but i dovw'n know what it is
[02:21] <KevlarSoul> well, at least I have a starting point
[02:22] <strangelv> Mostly it's just another reason to * * * H A T E * * * Vista
[02:22] <KevlarSoul> haha
[02:22] <KevlarSoul> no kidding.
[02:23] <KevlarSoul> Is there any way to get the Boot loader to recognize Ubuntu?
[02:23] <Lilacor> KevlarSoul: you have to manually edit the boot.ini file
[02:23] <KevlarSoul> Lilacor, so it is possible?
[02:24] <contrast83> "$ dpkg -S packagename | grep /usr/bin" - thanks a lot, nosrednaekim. i'm gonna implement that into a script, me thinks.
[02:24] <ubuntu_> Hi all!! Using the CD after it boots into Kubuntu, the installer hangs after the keyboard layout is selected. Any ideas?
[02:24] <Lilacor> unless NT5.2 doesn't use NTLOADER anymore
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> contrast83: :)
[02:24] <strangelv> "I believe the solution was to keep VISTA from deleting GRUB rather than to get the MS bootloader to recognize any non-MS operating system
[02:24] <contrast83> well i gotta get going. peace out, y'all.
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: try the alternate installer.
[02:24] <ubuntu_> how?
[02:24] <KevlarSoul> alternative installer?
[02:24] <ubuntu_> Do I have to get the alt cdS?
[02:25] <KevlarSoul> I installed with a burned CD from the ISO
[02:25] <KevlarSoul> is that the same as LIve CD?
[02:26] <ubuntu_> I think so.  I downloaded from kubuntu.org, burned the ISO, and now I'm running Kubuntu from the cd, but want to install it
[02:26] <strangelv> KevlarSoul: If the CD runs Gnome or KDE or XFCE instead of sending you to a text interface, it's one of the LiveCD versions
[02:26] <bur[n] er> ubuntu_: so click the "install" icon on the desktop
[02:26] <KevlarSoul> ahh okay
[02:26] <ubuntu_> bur[n] er I have, and it hangs after I select "next" in the Keyboard Layout screen.
[02:27] <bur[n] er> ubuntu_: this is the beta?  try doing "man ubiquity" ?
[02:27] <strangelv> ubuntu_: that sounds like my experience with it.  Can't remember what version.  It was maybe Dapper.
[02:28] <ubuntu_> thanks bur[n] er
[02:28] <strangelv> The alt-CD seemed easier
[02:28] <bur[n] er> ubuntu_: there might be an odd switch you can throw at ubiquity... i.e. ubiquity --getAroundKeyboardProblem :)
[02:29] <ubuntu_> so I throw it into debug mode... we'll see what I get..
[02:30] <ubuntu_> I wish there were a switch like that :)
[02:31] <sobersabre> hi. I am having problems upgrading cupsys package.
[02:31] <sobersabre> I am getting error during --configure part of the dpkg process.
[02:31] <ubuntu_> Nope...... no logs formed... just hangs out and does nothing
[02:32] <crimsun> please refresh.  As long as you have 1.3.2-1ubuntu5 of cupsys, you should be fine.
[02:32] <crimsun> cupsys: Installed: 1.3.2-1ubuntu5 Candidate: 1.3.2-1ubuntu5
[02:32] <sobersabre> after some investigation, the post install script is reveiled, and it has update-rc.d command with an illegal option "multiuser"
[02:32] <sobersabre> for some reason my update-rc.d scripts don't have such option
[02:33] <crimsun> err, then your sys* packages are munged
[02:33] <sobersabre> crimsun: what do you suggest ... ?
[02:33] <crimsun> sobersabre: dpkg -l sysv-rc
[02:33] <sobersabre> thanks for your help, of course.
[02:34] <crimsun> i.e., what's the last line from that command's output?
[02:34] <sobersabre> crimsun: ii  sysv-rc        2.86.ds1-38
[02:34] <crimsun> err...
[02:34] <prestosd> Hello!
[02:34] <`Matir> anyone notice weird behavior from bash?  It doesn't seem to be reading my .bashrc
[02:34] <sobersabre> what does yours display ?
[02:35] <bur[n] er> `Matir: it probably reads your .profile
[02:35] <crimsun> sobersabre: why do you have a Debian Etch version of that package?
[02:35] <prestosd> I'm wondering if I can upgrade to gutsy through an ISO, without burning a CD
[02:35] <prestosd> cuz the iso is too big!!!
[02:35] <sobersabre> crimsun: I have no idea.....
[02:35] <`Matir> bur[n] er, it doesn't even read it if I do "source .bashrc"
[02:35] <sobersabre> maybe I've not managed to stop a package from being upgraded via netselect-apt ...
[02:35] <sobersabre> but I doubt it.
[02:35] <crimsun> sobersabre: was the install directly an Ubuntu one, or did you mix and match Debian apt sources somewhere?
[02:36] <sobersabre> how can I see WHEN have I installed the package ?
[02:36] <sobersabre> is such a query possible ?
[02:36] <crimsun> sobersabre: you can grep /var/log/$appropriate (where it's apt, aptitude, dpkg, etc.)
[02:37] <crimsun> sobersabre: in any case, to fix this, you need to remember not to mix and match Debian and Ubuntu binary packages.
[02:38] <prestosd> Can I run the upgrade package (to gutsy) through an ISO?
[02:38] <crimsun> sobersabre: you should manually install (dpkg -i) initscripts, sysv-rc, and sysvutils from gutsy.
[02:38] <hgjjjf> how do i install gutsy with all the drivers?
[02:39] <crimsun> please clarify what you mean by "all the drivers".
[02:40] <CroiX> hgjjjf, usually, unless you are running unsupported hardware, that is what happens...no magic
[02:40] <hgjjjf> well to work ith my card
[02:40] <crimsun> what card?
[02:42] <hgjjjf> Identifier	"Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
[02:42] <hgjjjf> 	Driver		"i810"
[02:42] <crimsun> that card should work just fine, at least 2D-wise, with the latest kernel
[02:43] <hgjjjf> crimsun, how bout 3d?
[02:44] <Lunar_Lamp> 'm trying to install wireshark - but keep getting told that I need libadns1 which is a virtual package.
[02:44] <Lunar_Lamp> I can't work out a way around that.
[02:44] <RoC_MasterMind__> try ethereal?
[02:45] <RoC_MasterMind__> ubotu, !info ethereal
[02:45] <Lunar_Lamp> ethereal requires wireshark, which requires libadns1
[02:45] <ubotu> ethereal: dummy upgrade package for ethereal -> wireshark. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.6rel-3 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 60 kB
[02:45] <RoC_MasterMind__> oh
[02:45] <RoC_MasterMind__> i see.
[02:46] <crimsun> hgjjjf: don't know offhand; I disable DRI regardless for lower power consumption
[02:47] <hgjjjf> crimsun,  thnk u can run me ovr it?
[02:47] <crimsun> hgjjjf: to do what, precisely?
[02:48] <hgjjjf> crimsun,  to install and set to low and have all drivers
[02:49] <crimsun> hgjjjf: try the beta desktop cd.
[02:51] <hgjjjf> crimsun,  thnks
[02:57] <ericrost> anyone else having problems with a laptop hibernating automatically after waking up from sleep?
[02:57] <pwnt-> Hey, after installing gutsy do I need to update my drivers? Like VGA Card? I'm having little problems on startup.
[02:57] <ericrost> what problems?
[02:58] <pwnt-> firstable it runs into a console only mode, then it changes into an X after few seconds if i didn't enter my login. and the Screen was really huge in the startup of X. then popped for me a window that says "Graphic problems" and it was 800x600 resulotion. after that i click ok. then it went into my gnome but here the resulotion is good.
[02:58] <MekApelsin> does kubuntu include compiz fusion in gutsy?
[02:59] <pwnt-> I think i have to configure something
[02:59] <ericrost> hmm.. no clue from me.. try an intelligent dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[02:59] <CroiX> MekApelsin, yes
[03:00] <hgjjjf> got this whn i tried to install gutsy Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[03:00] <hgjjjf> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[03:00] <MekApelsin> CroiX: thanx (eller tackar?)
[03:00] <pwnt-> ericrost: after upgrading from fiesty to gutsy, do i need to update apt-get?
[03:00] <ericrost> no, that should be done automagically
[03:00] <MekApelsin> CroiX: installed by default?
[03:00] <ericrost> pwnt-: ^^^^^^^
[03:00] <CroiX> MekApelsin, I don't know what eller tackar means
[03:01] <CroiX> oh, no
[03:01] <pwnt-> ok, how to change my splash window ericrost. because mine is saying "kubuntu" when im in ubuntu gutsy & gnome
[03:01] <MekApelsin> CroiX: might have mixed you with somebody else then,, "or thanks"
[03:01] <kyja> I have two desktop menu items in my paces menu
[03:01] <kyja> how can I get rid of one?
[03:02] <ericrost> pwnt-: do you want kubuntu-desktop installed at all? if not just sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-dekstop, then sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:02] <pwnt-> ericrost: but I need to change the Splash. how can i do that?
[03:02] <ericrost> pwnt-: that will change the splash
[03:02] <ericrost> pwnt-: if you don't want kubuntu at all, that's the easiest way
[03:03] <sin1> Is linux-restricted-modules update to 2.6.22.13 out?
[03:03] <pwnt-> ok what comes first, apt-get update or apt-get upgrade?
[03:04] <sin1> I see it in update manager but I can't check it
[03:04] <ericrost> pwnt-: apt-get update first, that's what pulls the latest package lists from the repos
[03:04] <ericrost> pwnt-: but you don't need to do that to do what I described above
[03:04] <pwnt-> ok i'm just curious, so its like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:04] <pwnt-> thats how its done right?
[03:05] <hgjjjf> how do i install these repos http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[03:05] <hgjjjf> http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[03:05] <ericrost> pwnt-: yes, that way you're upgrading to the latest packages
[03:05] <RAdams> linux-restricted-modules-generic:
[03:05] <RAdams>  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable
[03:05] <RAdams> Tips?
[03:06] <pwnt-> ok ericrost , now im in gutsy and i go to screensaver prefences, then each screensaver i have is just a fully white screensaver. its like im in a White page. what does that means ;/
[03:06] <crimsun> RAdams: it's not available yet; please be patient.
[03:07] <RAdams> crimsun: oh. thanks
[03:07] <ericrost> pwnt-: hmm, not sure on that one, never messed with that much.. it works on mine.. I'm just a user like you :)
[03:08] <pwnt-> ericrost: okay, what does  apt-get dist-upgrade realy do?
[03:08] <DigitalNinja> How do I play a video in Gutsy?
[03:08] <DigitalNinja> It's not working
[03:08] <ericrost> pwnt-: that upgrades to the latest version on all available packages
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> sudo aptitude install smplayer
[03:09] <DigitalNinja> I have mplayer
[03:09] <DigitalNinja> I'm not sure if I have smplayer
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> video as in a dvd?
[03:09] <DigitalNinja> dvd
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> !dvd
[03:09] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> see that one
[03:10] <prestosd> Hey!
[03:10] <prestosd> :)
[03:10] <prestosd> Can I run the upgrade through a ISO?
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> howdy prestosd
[03:10] <prestosd> it was too big for CD
[03:11] <pwnt-> whenever i go to menu, system, admin, restricted drivers manager, it says that
[03:11] <prestosd> Howdy ho!
[03:11] <prestosd> :)
[03:11] <pwnt-> You need to install the package
[03:11] <DigitalNinja> I'm installing some software
[03:11] <pwnt-> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[03:11] <DigitalNinja> lets see
[03:11] <DigitalNinja> if it works
[03:11] <CroiX> you should be able to do a loopback mount on the iso, but I don't remember how off the top of my head
[03:12] <pwnt-> and i have those installed.
[03:12] <branstrom> Can I use tracker to index my CDs and DVDs?
[03:12] <branstrom> Instead of GWhere, which looks ugly and probably doesn't perform as well
[03:12] <prestosd> CroiX: Thanks, so can I just mount it and run some file?
[03:12] <prestosd> inside?
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> best is to rip them all then index that
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:13] <prestosd> or can I run update manager -d then reference to the iso?
[03:13] <branstrom> nomasteryoda: well... ;)
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, you could mount the iso file
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> to a path
[03:13] <prestosd> k
[03:13] <pwnt-> anyone.
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> say ... /mnt/mydisk
[03:13] <prestosd> what command?
[03:13] <CroiX> prestosd, I'm thinking that you would mount the iso kinda like a drive
[03:13] <prestosd> right
[03:14] <pwnt-> i'm trying from update manager, and it has the update "linux-restricted-modules-generic" from version 2.6.22.12.17 to 2.6.22.13.18 (size 24kb) but its grey as in i can't click on it then apply.. can someone tell me why
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> first ... sudo mkdir /mnt/mydisk ... then sudo mount isofile.iso -loop -0 /mnt/mydisk
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> that should get it mounted
[03:14] <crimsun> pwnt-: because it's not available yet.  Please be patient.  Try again tomorrow.
[03:14] <crimsun> pwnt-: (archive admins have to approve new binaries)
[03:15] <pwnt-> crimsun: oh so in the mean time we cannot use "Restricted driver manager" ?
[03:15] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: okay, trying it....
[03:15] <erichj> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /media/iso/
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> ya that
[03:15] <CroiX> that looks familiar
[03:15] <prestosd> ??
[03:15] <crimsun> pwnt-: just be patient (no).
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> what erichj said
[03:16] <prestosd> okay....
[03:16] <erichj> sudo mkdir /media/iso
[03:16] <erichj> sudo modprobe loop
[03:16] <erichj> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /media/iso/
[03:16] <pwnt-> crimsun: ok thanks.
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> wow
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> more than i used to do
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> but so cool linux can do that
[03:18] <cromo> hi. I still have problem with gdm resolution. it's very low, and comes back to normal after logging in. xorg.conf looks fine, I have set the resolution to the desired one, but gdm seems to ignore it.
[03:18] <DigitalNinja> It looks like totem etc... can open the dvd and play. However, I get a green screen with no video
[03:18] <cromo> any idea?
[03:18] <prestosd> Did those commands, didn't look like any errors...
[03:18] <prestosd> what next?
[03:18] <erichj> its mounted
[03:19] <cromo> damn
[03:19] <cromo> is this ubuntu+1 support?
[03:19] <prestosd> yah, gutsy gibbon
[03:19] <prestosd> or 7.10
[03:19] <erichj> if you are already in gutsy, places->Computer. the mount may not show up on the desktop
[03:19] <cromo> just making sure ;>
[03:20] <prestosd> nope, not mounted
[03:20] <prestosd> not in computer or in /media/iso
[03:20] <CroiX> what about /media/iso/
[03:20] <prestosd> FOUND MISTAKE!!...brb
[03:20] <prestosd> it instead of -t
[03:21] <DigitalNinja> Has anyone been able to play a DVD in Gutsy?
[03:21] <prestosd> it cant find the iso
[03:22] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, I have
[03:22] <prestosd> It's on the desktop, and it says me@me-desktop:~
[03:22] <DigitalNinja> Croix: What application are you using?
[03:22] <erichj> did you navigate to the directory of the iso
[03:22] <prestosd> im on the desktop folder...
[03:22] <erichj> should be Desktop
[03:22] <DigitalNinja> Croix: to play the dvd
[03:22] <prestosd> lemme double check
[03:22] <naught101> knetworkmanager isn't picking up my wireless connections, even though kwifimanager and wlassistant work fine
[03:22] <naught101> any ideas?
[03:22] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, I used Kaffeine
[03:22] <prestosd> lol
[03:22] <DigitalNinja> oh
[03:22] <DigitalNinja> I'm trying to use mplayer
[03:22] <prestosd> nope, ls says examples and desktop
[03:23] <prestosd> must be at home
[03:23] <naught101> I've only just upgraded, and have restarted since installing restricted-manager
[03:23] <prestosd> DID it! :)
[03:23] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, that should work too...did you install the decoder?
[03:23] <prestosd> Yeah! It's mounted! Now what?
[03:23] <erichj> no idea. what are you trying to do?
[03:24] <CroiX> !dvd | DigitalNinja
[03:24] <ubotu> DigitalNinja: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:24] <zein> I have a printing problem with gusty. The driver for my LBP-460 printer must runn as root to work. it is suid and if I run "gs --optioins here-- |lbp460" I get the printer to work. foomatic-rip fails when printing via cups. It fails becuse even thought the lbp460 binary is suid it somehow gets run as user lp! I am prtty sure the culrit is foomatic-gswrapper but I can't for the life of me find out why! anyone here versed in the arts of ubuntu printing?
[03:24] <analfabeta> im using gutsy and have this error purging spe: raise ValueError, "the symlink /usr/bin/python does not point to the python default version. It must be reset to point to %s" % debian_default
[03:24] <analfabeta> what this means?
[03:24] <prestosd> erichj: I went to the desktop folder, and it worked...now what?
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> Croix: I went there. I installed the Libdvdcss stuff
[03:25] <CroiX> analfabeta, it looks like you have a symlink that points to the wrong version
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> Croix: The DVD plays but all I get on screen is green with lines. Audio works
[03:25] <erichj> prestosd, what are you trying to do?
[03:25] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, there was another command to type after installing it...did you find that too?
[03:25] <analfabeta> but, in /usr/share/python/debian-default say python default is 2.5 and my etc/alternatives point to python25.
[03:25] <prestosd> Sorry, had lag
[03:25] <analfabeta> *python2.5
[03:25] <prestosd> anyhow
[03:26] <prestosd> I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy
[03:26] <bushwakko> hey, I just installed gutsy gibbon on my macbook pro, but it doesn't boot. says that it couldn't find bootable media on my linux partition, and asks for me to insert bootable media
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> Croix: Yup! I ran the script
[03:26] <erichj> prestosd, sudo apt-get update
[03:26] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, have you tried another dvd?
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> Yup
[03:27] <prestosd> erichj: Trying to upgrade through/using the ISO, cuz it doesn't fit on a CD. And I don't wanna download all 968MB of data. :P
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> It's playing but all I see is a green screen with some lines in it
[03:27] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, maybe you need some more codecs
[03:27] <erichj> prestosd, apt-get will update your sources from the cd. once it completes. do an upgrade
[03:27] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, what engine does mplayer use?
[03:27] <vmlinuz`> can someone help me configure my vga driver. now I'm having a game telling me that I don't have libgl installed
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> mplayer
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> I tried gxine
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> I'm using gxine at the moment
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> I get the same thing. Green screen
[03:28] <prestosd> ??
[03:28] <CroiX> DigitalNinja, did you get the extra codecs for xine?
[03:28] <analfabeta> how can i force to purge some package? spe dont want it
[03:28] <prestosd> erichj: I'm all updated but whaddya mean from CD?
[03:28] <prestosd> erichj:  automatically?
[03:28] <erichj> prestosd, the iso
[03:29] <erichj> prestosd, yeah apt-get always looks for a cd when it updates
[03:29] <DigitalNinja> let me check
[03:29] <erichj> prestosd, if you did apt-get update, run apt-get upgrade
[03:29] <erichj> prestosd, it will update from the iso
[03:31] <erichj> you did mount it to /media right?
[03:31] <erichj> that is important
[03:31] <CroiX> any idea why when I copy files from ntfs via smb:// they are always corrupt?
[03:32] <CroiX> I can copy with sshfs and they are okay
[03:33] <ppj> Where's the grub config gui hidden in 7.10? Can't find it
[03:33] <erichj> ..i didn't know there was a gui
[03:33] <ppj> i've used one before
[03:34] <ppj> it used to be under "startup manager"
[03:34] <erichj> i don't think it comes as part of ubuntu. are you sure you didn't download one
[03:34] <prestosd_> Hello?
[03:34] <ppj> i'm sure, it used to come with ubuntu
[03:34] <ppj> at least in 6.x
[03:34] <prestosd_> Ah, sorry erichj
[03:34] <prestosd_> I lagged
[03:34] <prestosd_> reconnected
[03:35] <prestosd_> anyhow, I'm apt-get updated. What now?
[03:35] <erichj> prestosd, apt-get upgrade
[03:35] <prestosd_> k
[03:36] <prestosd_> it says 0 to get
[03:36] <erichj> ppj, well there isn't one in feisty.
[03:36] <erichj> prestosd, you mounted the iso to /media right? that is very important
[03:36] <prestosd_> dunno
[03:36] <mase> alright
[03:36] <mase> just updated to kernel .13
[03:36] <erichj> ../media/iso
[03:36] <prestosd_> i ran the command just like you said
[03:37] <mase> but Xorg wont open up
[03:37] <mase> it says cant find nvidia kernel
[03:37] <prestosd_> Yup, it's there...
[03:37] <prestosd_> right at /media/iso
[03:37] <naught101> anyone in here have a broadcom wireless card working with knetwork?
[03:37] <erichj> prestosd, just a minute
[03:37] <prestosd_> k
[03:38] <CroiX> well, finished installing updates...reboot required...wish me luck :)
[03:38] <naught101> er... knetworkmanager
[03:38] <erichj> prestosd, just open synaptic and goto edit->add cdrom
[03:38] <zein> any printing experts here?
[03:38] <prestosd_> k
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> just ask the question zein ... we'll see what we can do
[03:39] <prestosd_> erichj: it says insert cd in drive
[03:39] <zein> OK.. The driver for my LBP-460 printer must run as root to work. it is suid and if I run "gs --optioins here-- |lbp460" I get the printer to work. foomatic-rip fails when printing via cups. It fails becuse even thought the lbp460 binary is suid it somehow gets run as user lp! I am prtty sure the culrit is foomatic-gswrapper but I can't for the life of me find out why! anyone here versed in the arts of ubuntu printing?
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> its still pointing to the /dev/cdrom instead of your /mnt/iso prestosd
[03:40] <erichj> create a symlink?
[03:40] <prestosd_> hmm
[03:40] <prestosd_> thanks nomasteryoda
[03:40] <nomasteryoda> np
[03:40] <erichj> brb
[03:40] <prestosd_> kk
[03:40] <prestosd_> nomasteryoda: should I mount it to /media/cdrom?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> err, nope hang on just sec
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:41] <prestosd_> Ubuntu
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:41] <gene6482> anyone get toshiba p100 sound working on gutsy yet?
[03:41] <prestosd_> I just mounted it there
[03:42] <prestosd_> didn't work
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> right
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> i know
[03:42] <prestosd_> It unmounted it automatically
[03:42] <prestosd_> ok
[03:42] <prestosd_> Sorry
[03:42] <homanj> any reason why the gutsy upgrade dl is going so slow?
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> i would supposed lots of traffic
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> has been slow for me too
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> even using us.archives
[03:43] <zein> are there any other resources for printing help?
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[03:43] <gene6482> anyone having trouble download linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> zein, cups
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> gene6482, its not completely posted yet i think
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> bear with them... they are working it as fast as possible
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> zein, did you look at http://localhost:631 ?
[03:44] <zein> nomasteryoda: thanks I will see if they have an IRC channel
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> they do
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, the reason i say edit the file.
[03:45] <gene6482> nomasteryoda: oh ok, thanks
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> you can put that path to the cdrom iso into it
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> at the top would be good
[03:45] <vmlinuz`> how to reconfigure xorg
[03:45] <gene6482> does anyone know if there is an ubuntu-audio channel?
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> maybe ubuntu-studio?
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> uhoh
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> lost him
[03:46] <gene6482> been driving myself nuts trying to get my sound working since i upgraded to gutsy
[03:46] <vmlinuz`> whats the command to reconfigure X
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> the old command was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... but that is old
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> i think gutsy made a new thing for it
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> like displayconfigure or some such
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> yup
[03:48] <eythian> gene6482: what sound module did you previously use?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> displayconfig-gtk is nice for setting up dual monitors
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> homanj, so what was your question?
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> see you over on ubuntu-us
[03:49] <homanj> nomasteryoda: just wondering if there was anything that i could do to make the upgrade to gutsy go faster
[03:50] <gene6482> eythian: hda-intel, and it worked once i modified my dsdt(buggy bios) but since gutsy, it doesn't work
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> you in us?
[03:50] <homanj> correct
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> there are faster mirrors...
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> what state is that?
[03:50] <homanj> MN
[03:50] <gene6482> eythian: worked in edgy, and feisty
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:51] <gunny> gene6482: i had probs as well with gutsy festy was fine ...whats your chip ALC880 is it iCH6 or ICH8
[03:51] <eythian> gene6482: what is uname -r saying?
[03:52] <gene6482> gunny: ich7 i believe
[03:53] <gunny> i ended up with putting options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-digout in /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.modprobe as well as in alsa-base
[03:53] <gene6482> eythian: 2.6.22-12-generic(can't run the newest, since i just updated and there's no newer restricted wireless drivers)
[03:53] <eythian> gene6482: do you have the snd-hda-intel module loaded?
[03:54] <gene6482> eythian: here's an alsa-info script someone had me run
[03:54] <gene6482> eythian: http://pastebin.ca/727447
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> homanj, looks like the repos at umn will work for updates... sure to be faster
[03:55] <vmlinuz`> I'm having troubles running gutsy, it can't detect my vga card at all, even tho I installed everything im still having troubles. can someone help me please
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> what card?
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> model
[03:55] <vmlinuz`> whenever i restart X now, i get into a 800x600 screen that says "Ubuntu is now running in low-graphics mode"
[03:55] <vmlinuz`> and now in X everything is huge
[03:55] <homanj> nomasteryoda: thanks.
[03:55] <vmlinuz`> nvidia gforce 7300 GS
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> http://mirror.cs.umn.edu
[03:56] <eythian> gene6482: hmm, I can't help sorry, you're not having the same issue that I had :/
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, you need to install some drivers... sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new
[03:56] <gene6482> eythian: thanks for trying
[03:57] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: ok then
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> then reconfigure xorg.conf with the displayconfig tool
[03:57] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: do i need to do something with xorg.conf?
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> yup
[03:57] <homanj> nomasteryoda: thanks for your help.
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> err, ya
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> np
[03:57] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: whats the command again pls.
[03:57] <vmlinuz`> to reconfigure xorg
[03:57] <nomasteryoda>  sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> well i have done that with the nvidia tool
[03:58] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: how
[03:58] <vmlinuz`> i ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> nvidia-glx-config
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> that works mostly, but the nvidia tool does more
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> i have that installed on my desktop
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> also install after you get going... nvidia-settings
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> a gui frontend to tweak stuff from the desktop
[03:59] <bazhang> loads of new stuff in c-f in latest update but one
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> works nice too
[03:59] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: http://pastebin.com/m77a3b3bd
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:59] <bazhang> yup
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> 'i forgot that
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> do what it said.
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:00] <eythian> vmlinuz`: nvidia-xconfig
[04:00] <eythian> not glxconfig
[04:01] <vmlinuz`> ok, it didn't ask me anything.
[04:03] <eythian> vmlinuz`: it doesn't, it just updates xorg.conf
[04:04] <Gutsy_b> I'm having a problem with getting video playback to work in Gutsy. I have used Gxine, Mplayer , VLC , and Movie Player with varrying results.  Two of the programs lays a grid of dots over the screen area, one program I was able to get clear mpegs but no flv playback. Would someone take a look at this pastebin of my prob?
[04:04] <Gutsy_b> http://pastebin.org/4220
[04:07] <Gutsy_b> Selecting X11 (Ximage/Shm) in Mplayer got the Mpegs clear, but it won't playback .flv. I have tried similar video settings in the other programs to no avail.
[04:07] <vmlinuz`> still having a vga problems. restarted X and still on huge resolution, dont even have 1280x1024
[04:07] <vmlinuz`> whats 256mb in kb please?
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> that doesn't matter
[04:08] <vmlinuz`> Amount of memory (kB) to be used by the video card:
[04:08] <vmlinuz`> it ask me this..
[04:08] <hydrogen> 262144
[04:08] <Gutsy_b> =256x1024
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> no thats just what it asks
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> it will know how much... it reads it and will adjust accordingly
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> even if it does not say it
[04:08] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, you did "sudo xconfig"
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> ?
[04:09] <vmlinuz`> yep
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> be sure to pic the resolutions your monitor can handle... like i use 1280x1024 on my 19" monitors
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> hang on...
[04:10] <vmlinuz`> now im running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:10] <vmlinuz`> maybe it will be better
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> it will walk you thru it
[04:10] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: mine can handle, i was at 1280x1024 when i have feisty and i have 19" LG monitor
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> but i'll lete you see what i use on mine
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> ya
[04:10] <vmlinuz`> http://www.diskndrive.com/monitors-lcd-lg.html
[04:10] <vmlinuz`> thats my monitor
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> im trying to find out whats my prefences. so i can put them in the configuration
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> the defaults will work
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> just be sure to set res to that 1280x
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> horizontal, 30-83? Isn't it low for my monitor?
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> i'm gonna post my xorg,conf so you can see
[04:11] <Gutsy_b> What res did you get with the live cd?
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> no that sounds right
[04:11] <Assid> err how come getting refresh rates on and lcd is such a pain
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> ok im all done
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> again i will restart X
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> wish me luck
[04:12] <Assid> 60hz sucks compared to 75 on an lcd
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> really?
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:12] <chronographer> HEllo. Anyone else had a problem with the latest uypdate? i.e. displayconfig-gtk package not found error
[04:12] <Assid> and getting it working is seriously a pain
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, look ata it
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> http://pastebin.com/m59b4b99b
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> posted over your post
[04:13] <eythian> Assid: weird. I usually ignore refresh rates on LCD and it just works. I think my current one is 50hz or something
[04:14] <vmlinuz`> ok I give up, something wrong here..
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, did you look at my file?
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> http://pastebin.com/m59b4b99b
[04:14] <vmlinuz`> looking now, i was restarting X and stuck as always
[04:14] <eythian> vmlinuz`: have you verified you are using the nvidia module?
[04:14] <vmlinuz`> full black screen and pop a window that says "ubuntu is running in low-graphic mode"
[04:14] <Assid> eythian: just for the same of argument.. try figuring out how to get 72/75hz on that
[04:14] <vmlinuz`> and then into a "Login full screen" that keep blinking...
[04:14] <vmlinuz`> its weird
[04:14] <eythian> Assid: I can't, there is no option for it anywhere.
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> that unbreakable X breaks lots on Nvidia stuff... from my experience
[04:15] <tekhawk> does anyone know how to get skype to work on gutsy
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> you install newest on tekhawk ?
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> 1.4
[04:15] <vmlinuz`> eythian: Yes. I did in the xorg configuration.
[04:15] <viator> hey whats up with the restricted modules
[04:15] <chronographer> I have skype in my repositories.
[04:15] <tekhawk> nomasteryoda: i have the newest gutsy as of 10am this morning
[04:15] <eythian> Assid: I just checked, it's actually 60hz, but it's a builtin laptop screen, so not surprising it only has one option.
[04:15] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:15] <tekhawk> oh wait reword
[04:16] <chronographer> I think it is in medibuntu.  jsut apt-get it.  it will work
[04:16] <kravlin> the newest gusty screwed up my monitor. has this happened to anyone else?
[04:16] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: why you don't have mouse configuration? are you using laptop?
[04:16] <tekhawk> anyone know how to get skype to work on gutsy x86_64
[04:16] <viator> i cant install linux-restricted_-modules-generic
[04:16] <chronographer> YEWS
[04:16] <Gutsy_b> Anyone know how to get Mplayer to play .flv files?
[04:16] <chronographer> install it
[04:16] <viator> after that last update
[04:16] <eythian> vmlinuz`: how about the xorg log files? Do they agree that it's using the nvidia driver (i.e. not nv)
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, no mine is setup fine..
[04:16] <VousDeux> I have the same problem as viator
[04:16] <gunny> tekhawk: working for me have you installed and made an echo test call
[04:16] <kravlin> viator: having the same problem
[04:16] <viator> i think we will have to wait
[04:17] <Assid> hrmm which would be the suggested download for c2q?
[04:17] <viator> :|
[04:17] <chronographer> anyone else got a prob with displayconfig-gtk returning NOT FOUND ?
[04:17] <kravlin> also i can't change my monitor settings so i can actually see my lower taskbar.
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> see the "InputDevice" ... "Configured Mouse"
[04:17] <tekhawk> gunny: i have missing libQtDBus
[04:17] <viator> i guess i can select the revios kernel
[04:17] <viator> from the grub
[04:17] <viator> list
[04:17] <nomasteryoda> ya
[04:17] <vmlinuz`> http://pastebin.com/m144918a4
[04:17] <vmlinuz`> thats mine, xorg.conf
[04:17] <vmlinuz`> can anybody check it out pls
[04:17] <viator> im using the wired interface now
[04:18] <Gutsy_b> vmlinuz what res would the live cd do for you?
[04:18] <VousDeux> it says I cannot use my nvidia driver because it needs linux-restricted-modules-generic, but when I try to install linux-restricted-modules-generic it says it will BREAK(upgrade)
[04:18] <kravlin> viator: i had my graphics freak out and had to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, you have no nvidia there
[04:18] <gunny> tekhawk: i originally installed from http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> only vesa and nvi
[04:18] <eythian> vmlinuz`: that's not nvidia
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> nv
[04:18] <eythian> that's nv
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> should read "nvidia"
[04:18] <kravlin> VosDeux: Same problem.
[04:18] <tekhawk> gunny: on the x86_64 platform or the x86 platform
[04:18] <nomasteryoda> like mine says
[04:19] <gunny> tekhawk: x86
[04:19] <vmlinuz`> eythian: what was your command again? And does it change my settings or does it only add nividia?
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> change "nv" to "nvidia"
[04:19] <gunny> tekhawk: u on 64 ?
[04:19] <eythian> vmlinuz`: sudo nvidia-xconfig - and it rewrites xorg.conf to work
[04:19] <tekhawk> gunny: i see x86_64 here libary issue
[04:19] <viator> yeah i had the problem because i have the bcm43xx
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> "should"
[04:19] <VousDeux> after rebooting from the upgrade I tried recompiling the nvidia drivers, but I had to use VESA to logon to the GUI
[04:20] <bazhang> Just curious, and maybe this is question for #kubuntu; how do I reclaim space from other partitions that I no longer want to use--was dual boot, but I want to just single boot now. Is this even possible?
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> bazhang, sure
[04:20] <gunny> bazhang: gpartition ?
[04:20] <VousDeux> I'm on x86_64
[04:20] <viator> and am using the restriced modules oh and for my ati driver
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> bazhang, sudo aptitude install gparted
[04:20] <vmlinuz`> eythian: i did, "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[04:20] <eythian> and did it say anything?
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> run it and change those partitions to what you want
[04:20] <vmlinuz`> and then i edit xorg.conf again, and its still "nv" not nvidia
[04:20] <chronographer> bazhang or use the gparted live CD
[04:21] <chronographer> to edit a partition you boot from. Careful though!
[04:21] <eythian> vmlinuz`: it should say something, like the files it's changing or whatever.
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, manually edit the file... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the line
[04:21] <vmlinuz`> yeah it says that eythian
[04:21] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: ok, but now i have 2 lines.. its weird wait
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> but it did not do so for me either vmlinuz` ....had to do it manually
[04:21] <bazhang> chronographer: can I run it while keeping this desktop intact?
[04:21] <chronographer> yes
[04:21] <vmlinuz`> http://pastebin.com/m37e58005
[04:21] <vmlinuz`> see
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> yes bazhang
[04:22] <chronographer> you can resize, create, delete and generally mess with partitions
[04:22] <vmlinuz`> see how many Section "Device" i have
[04:22] <gunny> and destroy alot lol
[04:22] <chronographer> Its great, just dont forget that if you delete a partition you can't get it back
[04:22] <eythian> vmlinuz`: OK, well next just edit the file, and change all 'nv' to 'nvidia'
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> bazhang, but not the swap or root while in use...
[04:22] <kravlin> I think that this last update just basically screwed over the restricted drivers (just pointing out the obvious to make myself look stupid)
[04:23] <vmlinuz`> eythian: allright
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> chronographer, actually you can get it back, but its a pain in the rumpus
[04:23] <bazhang> nomasteryoda: so I can then just resize the partition that my kubuntu gutsy install is on?
[04:23] <chronographer> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> err, um from the live CD you can bazhang
[04:23] <vmlinuz`> done
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> it has gparted on it
[04:23] <vmlinuz`> now i reboot, think it will work?
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> reboot? why
[04:23] <eythian> vmlinuz`: just restart X
[04:23] <nomasteryoda> just Ctrl+Alt+bkspace
[04:24] <vmlinuz`> brb
[04:24] <bazhang> nomasteryoda: what if I have forgotten which partition contains which distro? Is there an easy way to determine that, or should I just wipe it all and reinstall?
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> try the simple command "mount"
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> will report where stuff is mounted
[04:24] <nomasteryoda> including root
[04:25] <vmlinuz`> same thing, lol.
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> and you can look at /boot/grub/menu.lst to see where stuff boots from
[04:25] <bazhang> thanks!
[04:25] <chronographer> or check you /etc/fstab now
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, ok... so try that reboot man... just to be sure the nvidia module is loading right...
[04:25] <chronographer> and find which partition is /
[04:25] <eythian> totem displays all avis with the wrong aspect ratio in gutsy - anyone else encounter that?
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> eythian, totem yes it does... i removed it
[04:26] <kravlin> eythian: I suggest using VLC instead. Much better
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> and just use smplayer, vlc, etc....
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> yup
[04:26] <eythian> nomasteryoda: I like it, but not like this. Its the only thing I've found that works with the media keys on my laptop.
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:26] <eythian> and also the only thing that will play over sshfs
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> i'm sure there is a setting to change it
[04:26] <runemaste64o> When will the Gutsy stable be released this month?
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> to respect aspect
[04:27] <eythian> nomasteryoda: there is, but it doesn't fix it properly
[04:27] <bazhang> nomasteryoda: just looking at the dolphin file manager under media lets me see the ones that are being used and those not; the mount command in terminal is way confusing.
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> but without it installed.... hard for me to do it
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> bazhang, ok
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:27] <runemaste64o> I know Gutsy will be released this month, but what day?
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> i also removed dolphin...
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> =d
[04:27] <bazhang> nomasteryoda: thanks!
[04:27] <VousDeux> where do we report problems with the beta?
[04:27] <dimond>  Up until updating, the restricted drivers manager has worked fine. I have been using Gutsy for about a week, and updated a bunch of stuff today (it had been up to date previously) Now, when I try to restart restricted driver manager I get the message : You need to install the package
[04:27] <dimond>    linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[04:27] <dimond>  for this program to work.
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> using konqueror...
[04:28] <dimond>  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic returns : Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:28] <dimond>  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:28] <dimond>  is only available from another source
[04:28] <dimond>  E: Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic has no installation candidate
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> np bazhang
[04:28] <kravlin> I have the exact same problem as dimond. Could anyone help?
[04:28] <kravlin> please?
[04:28] <dimond> It has all worked fine until now.
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> it is not there yet.. the update that is
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> its coming to the repos soon
[04:28] <runemaste64o> For every bug you report about Gutsy, you have to wait another Hour for it to be released :P
[04:28] <nomasteryoda> from what I was told
[04:28] <kravlin> dimond: I have the same exact problem
[04:28] <runemaste64o> just kidding
[04:28] <dimond> nomasteryoda: Ah. So we should just wait?
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:29] <eythian> runemaste64o: that's fine, so long as the problems are gone :)
[04:29] <VousDeux> kravlin, dimond, several of us seem to have that problem...I think we are waiting
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> try a few hours and it should be there....
[04:29] <Konam> hi
[04:29] <dimond> Ok.
[04:29] <dimond> When I rebooted, it also killed my GUI.
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> oh man then i won't reboot
[04:29] <dimond> But deleting xorg.conf
[04:29] <dimond> fixed it
[04:29] <bazhang> hi Konam
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> oh, but wait ... i use NO restricted drivers... wahooo1!! i dumpped the broadcom wifi card for an intel
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> =D
[04:30] <Konam> i'm using gutsy right now and i have to say that it is good but the restricted codec manager isn't working....
[04:30] <Konam> the the restricted codec manager but the restricted driver manager worked just fine
[04:30] <dimond> Erm, more spesificly, I moved /etc/X11/xorg.conf* /mount/USB/
[04:30] <dimond> then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[04:30] <dimond> worked like a charm
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:31] <tekhawk> restricted codec manager....havnt seen that could have saved some time though i bet
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> nice backup plan too
[04:31] <runemaste64o> dimond	But deleting xorg.conf
[04:31] <runemaste64o> 	dimond	fixed it
[04:31] <runemaste64o> You CRAZY???
[04:31] <vmlinuz`> my new xorg.conf here, I can't find one reason why it shouldn't work now.
[04:31] <vmlinuz`> http://pastebin.com/m7edffdea
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> that way you get a new one...
[04:32] <runemaste64o> Who deletes their xorg.conf?
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> me
[04:32] <eythian> vmlinuz`: have a look at this, it's my one: http://pastebin.com/d42f154ad
[04:32] <chronographer> Wow. I just changed m sources list from au.ubuntu.... to de.ubuntu... and there are about 38mb of updates in there!  Why the hell are different servers containing different packages??
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> worked in the past
[04:32] <runemaste64o> vmlinuz was my armagetron advanced nick
[04:32] <vmlinuz`> eythian: thing is, whenever i restart X, it like re-create another xorg.conf for me, you know?
[04:32] <tekhawk> nomasteryoda: that doesnt give you a new one sept ubuntu saves your ass lol
[04:32] <vmlinuz`> runemaste64o: whats that?
[04:32] <eythian> vmlinuz`: that ... is kinda weird
[04:32] <runemaste64o> just saw that and liked it with your nick
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> tekhawk, ok cool
[04:33] <Assid> chronographer: most are just cnames to different servers .. in.ubuntu doesnt even really exist
[04:33] <vmlinuz`> eythian: yea, it recreate my xorg.conf to something else... and put "nv" as my vga card..
[04:33] <runemaste64o> Armagetron Advanced is a 3D game
[04:33] <vmlinuz`> so whats that
[04:33] <chronographer> oh...
[04:33] <tekhawk> nomasteryoda: dont try that on other distro wont end well lol
[04:33] <vmlinuz`> im afraid to restart X now
[04:33] <chronographer> well check this out... hold on a sec.
[04:33] <Konam> tekhawk is the wizard that suggest you the codec you need for a file in case that you don't have the right codec...
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, and then you edit that file dude... making nv nvidia
[04:33] <eythian> vmlinuz`: make it read-only :)
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> ya that might help
[04:34] <chronographer> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/displayconfig-gtk/     .compared with.   http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/displayconfig-gtk/
[04:34] <tekhawk> Konam: yeah that wasnt on gutsy when i installed lol
[04:34] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: i did, but when i restart again.. it automatically replace that
[04:34] <vmlinuz`> eythian: ok will do.. but then X might not start :P lol
[04:34] <chronographer> for example,  thats where my little 'could not find file' error occurred. it not in the AU server
[04:34] <prestosd> Hey, I'
[04:34] <vmlinuz`> btw, i have libGL installed, but games kept telling me that
[04:34] <vmlinuz`> err:wgl:X11DRV_wglGetProcAddress No libGL on this box
[04:34] <prestosd> m back
[04:34] <Konam> tekhawk it isn't? something like that wasn't on feisty?
[04:34] <vmlinuz`> why
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> chmod 600 is the right one, right guys?
[04:34] <prestosd> Sorry, I lagged (again) then had to go
[04:35] <vmlinuz`> should i do xorg.conf chmod 600?
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[04:35] <prestosd> I've got the Gutsy (PPC) ISO mounted on my desktop.
[04:35] <chronographer> ? i never had to chmod xorg b4
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> i think so, but having a brain drain now
[04:35] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: okay.
[04:35] <vmlinuz`> chronographer: my gutsy is changing it, each time i restart X
[04:35] <chronographer> oh
[04:35] <chronographer> rude!
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> chronographer, but the new displayconfig tool magically forks it up dude
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> ya
[04:35] <eythian> vmlinuz`: chmod ugo-r xorg.conf
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> that is too much like another os i know
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> there ya go
[04:36] <kravlin> VousDeux: I was here when you awnsered the question. I usually say something so the person doesn't feel like they're alone.
[04:36] <eythian> vmlinuz`: err
[04:36] <eythian> not that
[04:36] <vmlinuz`> but why does games said that i dont have libGL, when i do have it installed? please
[04:36] <eythian> vmlinuz`: chmod ugo-w xorg.conf
[04:36] <eythian> vmlinuz`: probably because you don't have opengl accelleration without the nvidia driver
[04:36] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, cause you need to have glx in the xorg.conf
[04:36] <tekhawk> Konam: hmmm i could just be blind
[04:36] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: i do have it >_<
[04:37] <vmlinuz`> eythian: hm, weird. Do you think my pc doesnt have my vga even installed?
[04:37] <tekhawk> hey is there a way i can get this thing to tell me when someone says my name pidgin by the way
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> right, but with the "nv" loading by magic... it never loads nvidia
[04:37] <vmlinuz`> i'll restart X again, wait brb
[04:37] <eythian> vmlinuz`: to get opengl, you really need the nvidia driver, not nv. If you're using nv, GL won't work
[04:37] <kravlin> tekhawk: not that i know of. Try using xchat. its avalible in the repository
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> xchat is best for irc
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> as a gui
[04:38] <Konam> tekhawk i've noticed another thing, some icons in the menu looks like blurred...
[04:39] <vmlinuz`> i hate gutsy. how to go back to feisty >_<
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> dang man.. .you getting no love from the gutsy
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> it was a pain for my desktop too and that was 2 weeks ago
[04:40] <prestosd> lol, I just wanna use the ISO
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> i restarted x today and it is still good
[04:40] <prestosd> I installed it perfectly on another PC just a few days ago
[04:40] <vmlinuz`> i had my xorg.conf setup good, i know it. then i restart X. this console login screen popped and start blinking, then a full black screen with a small window popped "Ubuntu is running in low-graphic mode" And choices are "configure" "cancel" "Continue"
[04:40] <vmlinuz`> i click configure
[04:40] <prestosd> works like a dream
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, yo left before I could help
[04:40] <vmlinuz`> then i have to choose "nvidia" there, so it can run.
[04:40] <prestosd> Dang, sorry.
[04:40] <prestosd> Once again, I lagged....
[04:40] <vmlinuz`> and resulotion was really big, 800x600
[04:40] <prestosd> our internet sucks
[04:40] <vmlinuz`> like that, every single time
[04:40] <prestosd> should be fine now, I reset it
[04:40] <prestosd> anyhow
[04:40] <prestosd> ....
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> its simple enough  to edit the file prestosd ... hang on
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> let me post in pastebin
[04:41] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: okay
[04:41] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: Thanks :)
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> np
[04:41] <VousDeux> okay, that didn't work...I tried changing the mode in the nvidia version of my xorg.conf to "1680x1050" like it has been running all along...it was set at "1280x800" for some reason
[04:41] <VousDeux> I had to put the vesa version back on
[04:42] <chronographer> hey vmlinux
[04:42] <Konam> anyone else notice the blurred icons?
[04:42] <chronographer> have you tried using your old xorg.conf file from feisty?
[04:42] <Konam> i assume that it will be fixed in the final release....
[04:42] <user_> How do you get Mplayer to playback .flv files in Gutsy?
[04:42] <chronographer> I got no blurred icons
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> guys... if you have the nvidia-glx or nvidia-new-glx installed, try installing the nvidia-settings too... and run it ... try changing your config there... see if it works... then save to a file and replace your xorg or have it merge wiht it
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> that worked like a charm for 3 monitors here
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> i can change on a whim now
[04:43] <vmlinuz`> hey nomasteryoda maybe I don't have the correct drivers installed?
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> you installed nvidia-glx-new?
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> that is a newer card ...
[04:44] <vmlinuz`> yep
[04:44] <prestosd> if you have an old nvidia, definitely get the nv legacy drivers
[04:44] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: i have that, but looks like its not my driver.
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> so yes you need the new ones
[04:44] <prestosd> worked perfect for me on tons of old nv cards
[04:44] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: my nvidia is 7300 GS gforce
[04:45] <vmlinuz`> is that old?
[04:45] <prestosd> Hmm, think that's too new
[04:45] <vmlinuz`> yea
[04:45] <prestosd> I'm talkin' like, Riva TNT 2's lol
[04:45] <bazhang> user_: convert using ffmpeg
[04:45] <prestosd> 16MB vram
[04:45] <prestosd> xD
[04:45] <vmlinuz`> and i have nvidia-glx-new installed
[04:45] <vmlinuz`> so whats wrong here :<
[04:45] <prestosd> hmm
[04:45] <VousDeux> nomasteryoda, I cannot load nvidia-settings because I have the VESA driver loaded...I cannot load the nvidia driver until they fix the linux-restricted-modules-generic problem
[04:45] <user_> bazhang I think I will for now
[04:45] <prestosd> What's not working? 3D stuff?
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> for me?
[04:46] <prestosd> yah
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> no its not the 3d... its when i restart X.. it goes into terminal mode and then jumps into a blank screen with resulotion 800x600 & A window pops that says "ubuntu running in low graphic mode"
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> and then i can't start X until i click configure there.. and go to nvidia manualy
[04:46] <prestosd> Ah, are you on a desktop or laptop?
[04:47] <d4rkmonkey> VousDeux  why don't you just boot into an older kernel that worked? I'm pretty sure that'll work
[04:47] <bazhang> user_: in Gutsy there's also a tool called clive that lets you extract the flv files
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> doing that and come back here with a bad resulotion in X. + things arent working good because they modified xorg.conf to a bad thing.
[04:47] <bazhang> !clive
[04:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clive - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> and it keep going every single time i restart X
[04:47] <prestosd> dang
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: nop, a computer... not laptop
[04:47] <prestosd> did you make a backup of xorg?
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: and it was working perfect back in feisty
[04:47] <prestosd> xorg.conf
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: yea i have
[04:47] <bazhang> user_: clive - Video extraction utility for YouTube and Google Video
[04:47] <prestosd> did you try putting it back
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> it doesn't work... I put it there.. and then restart X. as i told you, it'll pop this screen & window with bad resulotion.
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> and it'll change xorg.conf again
[04:48] <VousDeux> d4rkmonkey, I already recompiled the nvidia driver with the new kernel and deleted the old kernel
[04:48] <prestosd> vmlinuz`: hmmm, are you using a flatscreen or CRT?
[04:48] <scipio> vmlinuz`, is this a new install? did it ever work in gutsy?
[04:48] <Assid> man load up compiz fusion and your fps drops when you run gears
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> scipio: it never work in gutsy, i just had gutsy here for few hours.. before that i had feisty
[04:49] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: its LG monitor. and i dont think its the problem.. i think something with the vga driver
[04:49] <VousDeux> d4rkmonkey, I didn't think booting the old kernel would be good because of all of the other updates, but I'll keep that in mind in the future...for now I'll just wait for the patch for the linux-restricted-modules-generic...thanks
[04:49] <fr500> wah! yesterday's update fixed my toshiba front panel keys
[04:49] <Goemtmet> How do I install the Sun Java runtime on Gutsy (7.10) ? The only package I find is gij-4.2.. which I think is the GNU Java Runtime
[04:49] <fr500> err buttons
[04:49] <prestosd> vmlinuz`: I see....have you got the restricted drivers?
[04:49] <Goemtmet> any idea?
[04:49] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: I have an old one. because the new one is unavailable now i think
[04:49] <xubean> hey guys, serious problem with gutsy, just a noob here, i installed gutsy on my machine, and now when it restarts gdm doesn't start at all, all i get is the command screen
[04:50] <prestosd> vmlinuz`: that could do it
[04:50] <vmlinuz`> but people are not experiencing my problem, its only me >_<
[04:50] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: You still working on it?
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, look at this example... you just need the one "repo" added for say "deb file:/mnt/myiso gutsy main
[04:50] <prestosd> vmlinuz`: then could be your monitor
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> ya
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> thata should help ya
[04:50] <vmlinuz`> prestosd: in feisty it worked fine
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> get idea of what i mean
[04:50] <prestosd> hmm
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> did for me to guys
[04:50] <prestosd> lol, could I have a console command
[04:51] <vmlinuz`> brb
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> dorked it up with the Magic of Unbreakable X
[04:51] <prestosd> k
[04:51] <prestosd> lol
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> err, you can edit it on console
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> sure
[04:51] <prestosd> If you give commands I can type. ;)
[04:51] <prestosd> otherwise I'm bad at manual labor ;)
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> ok hang on...
[04:51] <Goemtmet> How do I install the Sun Java runtime on Gutsy (7.10) ? The only package I find is gij-4.2.. which I think is the GNU Java Runtime
[04:51] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: ok
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> after mounting the iso ... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:52] <prestosd> ok
[04:52] <VousDeux> Goemtmet, try searching for blackdown
[04:52] <prestosd> im in
[04:52] <Goemtmet>  apt-cache search blackdown doesnt return anything
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> add a line "deb file:/mnt/iso gutsy main restricted"
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> see if that does it
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> load synaptic or adept_manager and see if it can handle it
[04:53] <scipio> Goemtmet, sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> prestosd,  i deleted the iso i had for gutsy
[04:54] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: syns open, now what?
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> it was a few weeks old
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:54] <bazhang> topic: nothing broken today!
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> so you want to update using the repos on the cd?
[04:54] <dystopianray> is kopete still broken?
[04:54] <prestosd> yup
[04:54] <prestosd> dystopianray: not you
[04:54] <bazhang> oops
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> try to run it i suppose
[04:54] <prestosd> run what? lol
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> refresh
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> on synaptic
[04:54] <vmlinuz`> worest day for me.
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> it will get better
[04:55] <prestosd> its reloading
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> all up hill from here vmlinuz`
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:55] <Konam> on more thing, i changed the color of the screen that appears after i log in but the default color remains, why is that?
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> part of the gdm process
[04:55] <prestosd> bleh, crashed on the line I typed...gonna mount it in a different place...it was wierd...brb
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> you can change that too
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:55] <prestosd> right
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, you might need the /ubuntu on the end
[04:56] <prestosd> okay
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> of say /mnt/myiso/ubuntu
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> don't know the filetree of the cd
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, you could backup the xorg.conf and try using mine
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> its gutsy too and nvidia-glx-new
[04:57] <Konam> nomasteryoda i know i can change it, i said that i _changed_ it but the default color remains...
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> it would be a wag
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> err, um... in gdm you changed but it remains the same... hang on
[04:58] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: you don't get it.. it doesn't matter :( because every single time i restart X... it will change xorg.conf again every time
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> i know
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> just a minute
[04:58] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: Sorry to interrupt, didn't work.
[04:58] <vmlinuz`> problem is, i dont have another pc so i reboot and talk from there while telling the odd things thats happening
[04:58] <vmlinuz`> you know console when it says "Login user:"
[04:58] <vmlinuz`> it keep blinking for me
[04:58] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:59] <nomasteryoda> prestosd,  there is a way i know.... i have done... been a while
[04:59] <mase> just updated to kernel .13
[04:59] <mase> but Xorg wont open up
[04:59] <mase> it says cant find nvidia kernel
[04:59] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: hmm, I looked it up at ubuntu.com and found instructions for dapper iso upgrade
[04:59] <prestosd> but it didn't work
[04:59] <Konam> nomasteryoda did you try?
[05:00] <Konam> nomasteryoda it worked for you?
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> sorry Konam the color thing?
[05:00] <Konam> yes
[05:00] <nomasteryoda> working 3 issues right now... hang on
[05:00] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: lol yah!
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> vmlinuz`, ok i found something to try... it will stop the failsafe ...
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> switch to a terminal say F1
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> but look at this first ... sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.options
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> comment out with a # the "allow-failsafe"
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> that will stop that crap from taking over your file
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> x might not work but its worth a shot... just restore it should you be unable to get x back up
[05:02] <VousDeux> hmmm...I wonder why I can't use the skip button on ondemand...oh well
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> if you want to explore that cmd more, then "man Xsession.options"
[05:04] <prestosd> They Dapper iso instructions ended with gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[05:04] <prestosd> it runs, then quits automatically....
[05:04] <ppj> wow I dont know what I did (apart from rebooting) but my nvidia drivers went to crap
[05:05] <VousDeux> ppj, linux-restricted-modules-generic is broken
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> ppj, xorg i'm sure is dorked now... just a wag but i'll bet a gold guinea
[05:05] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: okay
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> i would try that
[05:05] <ppj> yeah
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> oh and btw... the  linux-restricted-modules-generic is broken
[05:05] <ppj> its fine when i got to the login prompt
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> which includes nvidia drivers...
[05:06] <ppj> but when i log in now my display is all off colored
[05:06] <VousDeux> nomasteryoda, lol
[05:06] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: so
[05:06] <ppj> too bad i cant take a picture of it
[05:06] <prestosd> lol
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> ppj, edit xorg.conf and change nvidia to nv to get something running
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> yes vmlinuz` your's might not work till that is updated/fixed
[05:07] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: do i need to reset my xsession thingy? I think thats it.
[05:07] <ppj> alright lets see
[05:07] <VousDeux> mine won't run on nv, I have to use vesa
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> but i'm gonna disable that auto-failsafe crap on mine
[05:07] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: i think you got it
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> i would try it
[05:07] <fr500> found i bug!
[05:07] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: do i erase it and restart? Then it will configure by its self?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> won't hurt
[05:07] <fr500> i think
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> err not erase
[05:07] <fr500> the zsnes package crashes with a kde error on my gutsy setup
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> if you change that file, the magic will be gone
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> which in this case might be agood thing
[05:07] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: which xsession do i delete?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> no don't delete
[05:07] <vmlinuz`> the one in my home directory?
[05:08] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: then what
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> just edit the default thing here... /etc/X11/Xsession.options
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.options
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> put a # infront of the allow-failsafe
[05:08] <ppj> trying nv now.. assuming xorg will be coimpletely dead
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:08] <ppj> nope its still jacked up though
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> nice
[05:08] <p> Where can I find those amazing screen and graphic configurator ???
[05:08] <ppj> its like the gamma/contrast is all shot halfway up the screen
[05:09] <ppj> its weird
[05:09] <vmlinuz`> ok nomasteryoda then
[05:09] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: does dist-upgrade, or gksu ring any bells
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> yes gksu means the gui su mode for ubuntu
[05:09] <prestosd> lol
[05:09] <vmlinuz`> nomasteryoda: thats all?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> and sudo dist-upgrade means to do dist-upgrade
[05:09] <erichj> oooh restricted modules are back online!
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> save it
[05:09] <vmlinuz`> ok brb.. restarting...
[05:09] <prestosd> how about sh /pathofiso
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> man, i xx fingers
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> i'm learning here too
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:10] <prestosd> lol
[05:10] <prestosd> I think we all are. :)
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> ya that should work as a replacement for the /cdrom they used
[05:10] <prestosd> where?
[05:10] <ppj> i'd just like for once my ubuntu to break because of something stupid that i did
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> and i am having a yardsale tomorrow ...
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:10] <prestosd> lol
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> oh, in that sh command
[05:11] <prestosd> where should I type it, console?
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> gksu "sh /myiso/cdromupgrade"
[05:11] <prestosd> yah
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> or sudo "sh /myiso/cdromupgrade"
[05:11] <prestosd> that's the one that exits....
[05:11] <prestosd> ill try sudo
[05:11] <ppj> whats the ctrl alt to shut off the windows manager not restart it
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> if that file is there on the iso filetree
[05:11] <ppj> f7?
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> bkspc
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> er restarts it
[05:12] <prestosd> It starts the "Administrative Application" for a tiny bit then exits and says nothing
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> F1-6 are other terms
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> F8 is info
[05:12] <ppj> yeah i just did f8, not sure what its doing
[05:12] <ppj> ah
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, check the iso path to see if that file even existis
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> exists
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> grr tired...
[05:12] <prestosd> lol
[05:13] <prestosd> ill remount and try again
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> ppj, you can login there too and run a "top" or a tail
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, you never umounted, right?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> should stay mounted
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> unless you rebooted it
[05:13] <p> How can I start the X.org graphic configurator?
[05:13] <prestosd> ??
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> displayconfig-gtk
[05:14] <p> thanks
[05:14] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: dunno
[05:14] <prestosd> its now at /media/iso
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> if you mounted it, then its still there... cd /mnt/myiso
[05:14] <prestosd> mounted
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> try ls cdromupgrade
[05:14] <prestosd> k
[05:14] <prestosd> once in iso?
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> or cdrom<tab
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> since i don't have the iso, like i said... hard to fix
[05:15] <prestosd> cant find it (error)
[05:15] <ppj> why doesnt ubuntus vi tell you what insert mode youre in
[05:15] <ppj> thats so annoying
[05:15] <cdm10> I've been having a weird issue with gutsy where the cursor will disappear when it's anything but the normal arrow cursor.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> ya it is ppj
[05:15] <ppj> is there an option to enable that?
[05:15] <cdm10> Disabling HWCursor fixed it, but I'd rather have my cursor rendered in hardware, for a variety of reasons.
[05:15] <cdm10> I mean enabling.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> there is a config for it in your ~ i'm sure
[05:16] <ppj> word
[05:16] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: this is gutsy for PPC
[05:16] <prestosd> maybe there isn't a cdromupgrade
[05:16] <prestosd> ?
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> still, if they have one then it should do something for your
[05:16] <ppj> does insert not change ubuntus vi insert mode
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> you
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> i does
[05:17] <prestosd> hmm
[05:17] <ppj> if i hit it twice it closes vi
[05:17] <ppj> weird
[05:17] <prestosd> then what could be wrong, I'm sure its mounted
[05:17] <prestosd> im in the folder now
[05:17] <prestosd> hmm
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:18] <prestosd> its under /media/iso/dists/gutsy THEN restricted and main
[05:18] <prestosd> Aha!
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> ay
[05:18] <prestosd> maybe I could change the sources.list file to that?
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> errr, ya
[05:18] <prestosd> ?
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> think that will help
[05:18] <prestosd> k
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> nice thing is if not, youll know soon
[05:19] <org_> hey its me vmlinuz`
[05:19] <prestosd> lol yah
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:19] <org_> i wish i havent updated to gutsy rly.. sry >_<
[05:20] <ppj> i should be a QA tester for gnome
[05:20] <ppj> im the master at breaking it
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> dang
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:20] <Konam> nomasteryoda excuse me, did you try the color thing?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> it works fine for me
[05:21] <p> Can I use macromedia flash and jre on amd64 gutsy ?
[05:21] <Konam> why it doesn't work for me? i've changed it
[05:21] <org_> nomasteryoda, what was the folder that you told me to add # infront of fails-load
[05:21] <p> if the answer is NO, what is the short way to use a 32bit version ?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.options
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> it is a file org_
[05:22] <Konam> nomasteryoda that was for me?
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> nope
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> for org_
[05:22] <Konam> ah well, i come back now
[05:22] <org_> nomasteryoda, Okay. It didn't work. ill put it back as how it was.
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> org_, after restarting kdm or gdm?
[05:23] <prestosd> nomasteryoda: can I cut the end "gutsy main restricted" and just put the full path instead?
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or kdm)
[05:23] <prestosd>  in sources.list
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> err, without that it knows not what pkgs to touch
[05:23] <prestosd> dang
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> or ask for
[05:23] <prestosd> I know where the folders are!! I'm close!!
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> maybe just gutsy main
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:23] <prestosd> but it auto types crud
[05:23] <prestosd> and messes it up
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> so you are offline?
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> or can't update this one from the online repos?
[05:24] <Konam> hi again
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> Konam, you can hack the file, but back it up first
[05:24] <prestosd> its /media/iso/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-powerpc
[05:24] <Konam> which is it?
[05:24] <prestosd> What would be the sources.list name for that?
[05:24] <Konam> it still doesn't work for me
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> sudo cp /etc/gdm.conf /etc/gdm.conf_backup
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> then sudo vi /etc/gdm.conf and search with a "/" for color
[05:25] <ppj> this is so weird
[05:26] <ppj> oh im an idiot it was the resolution
[05:26] <ppj> i just changed the res and now the colors normal
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> nice one
[05:27] <org_> nomasteryoda, how do i change gdm? Im not sure if im using gdm or kdm.
[05:27] <ppj> hey, when have you seen the wrong res show half the screen as purple
[05:27] <ppj> i thought i fried another video card :<
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> org_,  you install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:27] <org_> nomasteryoda, yes before.. but i removed it now
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> ya scarry
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> ok so you might be using gdm
[05:27] <org_> how do u know
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:28] <ppj> theres a huge difference in look between gdm and kdm
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> less /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[05:28] <org_> ppj, for me, there is not. u know?
[05:28] <ppj> like a ferrari vs lamborghini
[05:28] <ppj> rue
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:28] <ppj> true
[05:28] <org_> ppj, I run kdm & gdm, they both look the same for me man
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> run that org_
[05:28] <ppj> ive never seen kde look remotely like gdm, screenshot?
[05:28] <org_> /usr/sbin/gdm
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> so gdm
[05:28] <org_> nomasteryoda, <3
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> so /etc/init.d/gdm restart will restart it
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> ok best of luck... i gotts to run for about 20 min
[05:29] <Vuen> how on earth is there so much argument about ctrl+alt+backspace?
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> but i'll check back
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:29] <Vuen> it is absolutely *shocking* to me that people think it should be left on.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> well yes it should
[05:29] <ppj> why disable it?
[05:30] <hydrogen> yes it should
[05:30] <Vuen> back in breezy when i was new to linux, i accidentally hit it several times and lost my work
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> how else to kill a session
[05:30] <hydrogen> wait.. it was disabled?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> nice one
[05:30] <Vuen> i had no idea what was going wrong. all of a sudden poof, desktop gone
[05:30] <ppj> thats impressive, accidently hitting ctrl alt backspace
[05:30] <hydrogen> yea
[05:30] <hydrogen> serveral times..
[05:30] <ppj> it takes me 5 minutes to get my fingers in those spots
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> there is also Ctrl+Alt+Shift+down or some such i found by mistake too... shutsdown the system
[05:30] <Vuen> i lost a LOT of trust in X over that time
[05:30] <Vuen> and it took me a while to actually figure out what i was doing
[05:30] <hydrogen> now with older versions of xgl that killed on shift+backspace on the other hand
[05:30] <hydrogen> that was messed up
[05:31] <hydrogen> but ctrl+alt + backspace doesn't seem problematic
[05:31] <org_> omg what heppened
[05:31] <Vuen> why is there even a command to suddenly hard-reset X without even so much as telling the user what they've done?
[05:31] <ppj> any idea why gnome would just randomy move my panel icons around?
[05:31] <org_> i wrote your command nomasteryoda then i went into Terminal mode.
[05:31] <ppj> randomly
[05:31] <Konam> nomasteryoda i changed some number i found but it still the same, where do you go to change it?
[05:31] <Vuen> there is no way that 99% of the population would ever need or use that command.
[05:31] <hydrogen> Vuen: so that if it hangs you don't need to hit the reset button..
[05:31] <Vuen> because you can't just ctrl+alt+F1 and reset X? or better yet, turn the damn thing back on if you need it so much?
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> Konam, that must be your personal ~/.gnome/gdm.conf settings
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> maybe
[05:32] <hydrogen> Vuen: if its hanging it may not respond to ctrl+alt+f1
[05:32] <hydrogen> but it will to CTRL_ALT_BKSP
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> org_, you mean you are stuck in a terminal?
[05:32] <Vuen> now that i'm not new to linux, and i beta test and contribute to open-source, i do use ctrl+alt+backspace relatively frequently (especially when i was bugfixing in compiz)
[05:32] <Vuen> and i STILL think it's crazy to leave it on
[05:32] <hydrogen> I think its crazy to disable it
[05:32] <hydrogen> so
[05:32] <org_> nomasteryoda, yea i was. but then i wrote "startx" and im in X now.. but a weird one.. not with my theme and its all weird.
[05:32] <prestosd_> HEY
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> its a default linux xorg has ... and is good
[05:32] <org_> ill restart PC i think
[05:32] <prestosd_> I switched to desktop 2
[05:32] <hydrogen> I guess its crazy either way
[05:32] <Vuen> i think people who want it on are just being selfish. we are the 1% of the population who would actually want such a feature, and we all have the technical know-how to turn it on
[05:32] <prestosd_> and my toolbars dissapeared
[05:33] <prestosd_> and I can't get back
[05:33] <prestosd_> !
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> org_, you need to run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[05:33] <hydrogen> Vuen: I don't know where you are pulling those numbers from.. but i'm 99%sure you are 100% incorrect
[05:33] <Vuen> the other 99% of people, maybe 5% of whom may accidentally press it, are going to get their X hard-reset with no explanation whatsoever.
[05:33] <ppj> Vuen, funny, because even when i didnt know a thing about linux, i had to use ctrl alt backspace quite often because of xorg being broken
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> prestosd, try Ctrl+Alt+arrow left or right
[05:33] <prestosd> YEs!
[05:33] <prestosd> Thanks!
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> hydrogen, nice stats man
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:34] <prestosd> im still here
[05:34] <prestosd> but I g2g
[05:34] <prestosd> thanks for your help
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:34] <prestosd> ill just redownload over night
[05:34] <prestosd> Gnight all
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> nn
[05:34] <ppj> please someone tell me there is a decent gui'd fan controller
[05:34] <prestosd> good luck with your yard sale nomasteryoda
[05:34] <ppj> i hate having fans on auto
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> thanks prestosd
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> wish i knew
[05:35] <ppj> ugh
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> maybe apt-cache search fans?
[05:35] <ppj> i was hoping gkrellm would have something
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> would be nice
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> or gdesklets
[05:36] <taggie> i'm an apt-cache search fan. :)
[05:36] <ppj> yeah in xp i have a nice gui one that i just drag the rpm up and down
[05:36] <ppj> so if im web browsing; way down, if im playing a game i just toss it up
[05:36] <ppj> when i leave them on automatic i have so many loud fans that they scale up and down constantly
[05:36] <ppj> its the most annoying thing ever
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> ppj,  you can set the speed of the processor and they will scale down with it
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> i bet
[05:37] <wilberfan> anybody get their Restricted Driver Manager to work after the latest big update?
[05:38] <wilberfan> and/or is there a way to get the nvidia driver working again...?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> not yet
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> still broke
[05:40] <wilberfan> nomasteryoda, was that to me...?
[05:41] <ppj> whats broken in regards to the nvidia driver?
[05:42] <kyja> how can I get rid of an extra entry of decktop in the places menu?
[05:42] <wilberfan> [interested in answer to ppj's question] 
[05:43] <wilberfan> and i just remembered that envy won't work properly, either...
[05:43] <wilberfan> so i guess somthing IS broke (no idea what, though)
[05:43] <ppj> i just installed 7.10 today and im using the nvidia driver
[05:43] <ppj> at least thats what xorg says
[05:43] <wilberfan> but did you install the latest updates?
[05:43] <ppj> yeah im  fully updated, let me make sure
[05:44] <ppj> it was liek 400 updates total
[05:44] <wilberfan> I downloaded something like 154 updates (on two different gutsy machines) and I can't get the nvidia driver working on either...
[05:44] <ppj> ive got 4 updates but i cant download them
[05:44] <wilberfan> ppj, that makes sense...if you just installed 7.10 today, yeah...
[05:44] <ppj> er  nm i wasnt sudoed
[05:45] <ppj> isnt this linux-restricted-blahblah the broken one?
[05:45] <wilberfan> ppj, yeah, that sounds right...
[05:45] <ppj> ah yeah thats in my list, i guess i'll download it to see what breaks
[05:46] <wilberfan> when i run my Update Manager, i have a greyed-out "linux-restricted-modules-generic" listed...
[05:46] <Konam> nomasteryoda it doesn't work :(
[05:46] <ppj> yeah i was given the option to run a partial upgrade
[05:46] <Konam> either way......
[05:47] <shachaf> My most recent dist-upgrade seems to have made bcm43xx stop working... Has anyone else had this problem?
[05:47] <wilberfan> the Restricted Drivers Manager tells me it's missing "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic", so I guess that's all consistent...
[05:47] <ppj> wtf
[05:47] <ppj> what are you supposed ot do to make a mounted harddrive stay persistent after reboots
[05:47] <wilberfan> [shrug] 
[05:47] <ppj> i thought you just mounted them
[05:48] <wilberfan> i'll check back later...gonna go eat dinner now...
[05:49] <`Matir> anyone else having problems with bash not reading .bash_profile/.bashrc?  Even when I do "source .bashrc", it doesn't read it in.
[05:51] <shachaf> Hmm, there's a known problem with restricted-modules?
[05:51] <shachaf> `Matir: Is there anything odd in the .bashrc?
[05:51] <eythian> new power history thing in gutsy is great - hopefully it means charging time will be correctly estimated for once.
[05:52] <`Matir> shachaf, not really... few functions, aliases, variable definitions.... I can run it via "/bin/bash .bashrc", but that obviously doesn't get exported to my session
[05:52] <ppj> sorry guys whats the command to list all of my hd*/sd* drives again
[05:53] <shachaf> `Matir: Maybe @paste it? Manual sourcing should work.
[05:53] <`Matir> shachaf, it had been working for months with no changes... but I'll try pasting it in a few
[05:54] <shachaf> `Matir: You didn't change it?
[05:54] <org_> so im really screwed now.
[05:54] <`Matir> shachaf, nope... just stopped working with the latest bash as of today
[05:54] <shachaf> `Matir: Add "echo a" to the beginning, to make sure it's really being sourced?
[05:55] <`Matir> shachaf, ok, will try, brb
[05:55] <org_> i have nvidia-glx-new & nvidia-glx-new-dev both installed along with nvidia-kernel-common
[05:55] <org_> but I think my video card is not installed, That what gutsy thinks.
[05:56] <org_> whenever I restart X. It goes to a blank screen, then a window popup that says "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" choose to configure or continue or cancel.
[05:56] <org_> I go configure and keep chosing between drivers until i choose some nvidia. then it starts with bad resulotion 800x600, no games work, and nothing basicaly works, so my vga is not installed well, what should i do
[05:57] <org_> this is diff. my worest day. I've lost in a pool tournoment today versus a bad player. and now upgraded my system from feisty which was awesome to gutsy and everything is screwed to me until now. im so sad.
[05:58] <VousDeux> well, it looks like the best I can get is 1280x800 on a vesa driver
[05:59] <org_> i can get 1280x1024... but I need to install my video driver first... and I couldn't do that here in gutsy, i did it in feisty tho and ran in 1280x1024 really good
[06:00] <usser> its 00:00
[06:01] <ppj> 00
[06:01] <ppj> i lose
[06:01] <VousDeux> funny thing is, I can change to nv driver and restart X and it seems to be working, but if I reboot I'm dead again and I have to reload vesa driver
[06:01] <ppj> my nvidia is purring
[06:01] <SuperQ> arg: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[06:02] <usser> SuperQ: the nonexistent one?
[06:02] <ppj> except if i maximize my shell is consulses like its having a heartattack
[06:02] <ppj> convulses
[06:02] <Konam> the system sounds doesn't work :(
[06:02] <SuperQ> usser: yes, missing
[06:03] <Nubbie> PS: intel drivers are key.
[06:04] <VousDeux> but hey, even with vesa drivers and the "SHMConfig" "on" the touch pad still doesn't work right
[06:06] <org_> how can i make it that windows be in top of a panel? is that possible
[06:06] <VousDeux> the bright spot of the day, for me, is at least this notebook stand is cool
[06:07] <VousDeux> org_, I'm not sure I understand your question
[06:07] <Nubbie> vmware...
[06:07] <Nubbie> org_: add the full screen option to your .vmx file.
[06:08] <org_> VousDeux, I meant, you do have a panel right? When you open an application or browser, or xchat, or anything, it can't be in top of that panel right? I want to make my windows in top of that panel.
[06:09] <org_> like what i maximize, It goes up of that panel.
[06:09] <Nubbie> ohh
[06:10] <VousDeux> I still don't have a clue what you mean...sorry
[06:10] <Nubbie> org_: there may be a gconf key for that.
[06:10] <Nubbie> VousDeux: he wants to make it so his applications run over top of his panels.
[06:10] <org_> VousDeux, ok, are you in X now?
[06:10] <VousDeux> yes
[06:10] <VousDeux> what are you calling panel?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Grr.. using 2 monitors.. and these lame programs like to open up new windows on the wrong monitor/
[06:10] <Dr_willis> heh.,
[06:10] <org_> VousDeux, ok if your using terminal or even xchat, click "Maximize window"
[06:11] <VousDeux> okay, I maximized xchat
[06:11] <org_> ok, do you still see the panel where it has "clock & your battery & your windows applications & menu" do you still see it?
[06:11] <VousDeux> yes, I do see it
[06:11] <org_> Yea, I don't want that :)
[06:11] <VousDeux> ahhh...I see now
[06:12] <org_> I want when i maximize, It goes in TOP of my panel that has clock & all things.
[06:13] <org_> in kde there was an option when you right click in panel > Properties, you can chose to allow window to be in top of panel, but can't seem to find that in gnome >_<
[06:14] <VousDeux> I found it on KDE Panel settings
[06:16] <org_> yep
[06:16] <VousDeux> I would help you look for it on Gnome, but my video driver isn't working properly, so I can't launch VMware
[06:16] <org_> I just said its there. but in gnome there is not
[06:16] <Nubbie> org_: have you checked for a gconf key yet...
[06:16] <org_> I'm in gnome looking, there isn't.
[06:17] <org_> Nubbie, I'll check on that. I thought its just some properties gui editing
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> gconf editor
[06:17] <org_> VousDeux, you can use kde but you can't use gnome?
[06:17] <org_> weird.
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> so you have x working org_ ?
[06:17] <mrj> dude, i just ran some updates and my grub wiped out the settings i had for menu.lst
[06:17] <org_> nomasteryoda, I'm on x. but a weird X.
[06:17] <VousDeux> I don't have Gnome installed on my host OS...only VMware guest
[06:17] <org_> nomasteryoda, and no, didn't fix it.. I can't.
[06:17] <org_> nobody can\
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:18] <ppj> this is one hell of a beta
[06:18] <org_> ppj, is it good?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> right because of the drivers
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:18] <ppj> is what good
[06:18] <org_> ppj, the beta!
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> org_, hemeans not good
[06:18] <ppj> no its pretty awful
[06:18] <org_> ppj, i agree
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> been good to me so far
[06:18] <ppj> i cant picture it released in 13 days
[06:18] <org_> it can't even install for me my drivers
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> but on laptop only... desktop was pain for a while
[06:19] <ppj> org_, i just ran an update and it somehow killed the menu.lst i setup iwth my xp/2k3 kernels
[06:19] <ppj> lol
[06:19] <ppj> and now my nvidia driver broke
[06:19] <Vuen> i am still sore about this ctrl+alt+backspace issue.
[06:19] <ppj> sweet
[06:19] <VousDeux> I really don't think my hardware is going to make the cut for this release
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> ppj, it always will do that
[06:19] <org_> nomasteryoda, I can't even play games dude. even tho i have "glx" in my xorg.conf & GL is installed. but still,, can't open games
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> the menu.lst
[06:19] <Vuen> anyone remember windows 3.1? you could obliterate the desktop with ctrl+alt+delete.
[06:19] <org_> ppj, me too
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> right i know org_ i had that too
[06:19] <Nubbie> i've had absolutely no problems running gutsy's beta.
[06:19] <org_> ppj, my nvidia driver broke for a long time.. can't even fix it.
[06:19] <ppj> nomasteryoda, really? why because its putting the older kernels ontop?
[06:19] <Vuen> know what happened? people complained. so in windows 95, they changed it so you had to press it twice. the first time gives you a warning
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> not rebooting til that works..
[06:20] <ppj> Vuen, oh my god get over it
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, eeewww
[06:20] <org_> I wish i can go back to feisty... i would do it without even thinking.
[06:20] <Vuen> and know why they got rid of it entirely when switching from ME to 2000? because it's totally unnecessary.
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> ya please
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> reboot with the fesity cd in
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> start over
[06:20] <org_> nomasteryoda, that would take time....
[06:20] <org_> noway to start over..
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> ya true
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> well that's the windows way... we're not like that here... hehe
[06:21] <ppj> eh, i expected the beta to be a beta but not this betaish, if that makes sense
[06:21] <VousDeux> Feisty didn't even come close to supporting my hardware, and it doesn't look like Gutsy will either
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> i am still technically using alpha...
[06:21] <VousDeux> well, Gutsy is at least closer
[06:21] <org_> VousDeux, do you have your video driver installed in gutsy?
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> only been upgrading every minute i get
[06:21] <ppj> haha i love 800x600 vesa drivers on my 22" lcd
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> LOl
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> purty
[06:21] <VousDeux> org_, I did have until the updates today
[06:21] <ppj> i can jog along side the logout button of a jogging guy
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> nice one
[06:22] <ppj> hes so big
[06:22] <org_> VousDeux, so now your video is not installed?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> lolrotf
[06:22] <org_> VousDeux, do you think my VGA problem is from the update today??
[06:22] <VousDeux> org_, but they didn't work exactly right, I could not change resolution to anything other than 1680x1050
[06:23] <org_> VousDeux, hmm werid.. do you get a msg popup window on startup of X that says "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" ?
[06:23] <VousDeux> org_, I'm only able to use vesa driver right now...waiting for them to fix linux-restricted-modules-generic
[06:23] <ppj> so why does grub write over my custom entries? is there a way to stop that
[06:23] <Nubbie> gutsy was the first version of ubuntu ever to give me X with the proper resolution right off the bat.
[06:23] <VousDeux> org_, I've never seen that warning
[06:23] <Nubbie> however, i still needed to config my xorg.conf manually.
[06:23] <ppj> i mean new kernel entries are fine, but getting rid of my old entries is crap
[06:23] <org_> VousDeux, I saw that 100 times today. And i google' nobody has it before.
[06:23] <org_> That means I'm first?
[06:24] <VousDeux> lucky you :)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> ppj,  the grub menu.lst has spots  for your custom entrys to be - and they wont get touched.
[06:24] <ppj> thats what i figured
[06:24] <ppj> cool
[06:24] <org_> I can config my xorg.conf. but what would happen after a restart X? It will pop an error msg, then replace my xorg.conf with a crappy one, every single time it does that for me.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> read the menu.lst carefully - it has a lot of comments with good info. :)
[06:24] <org_> thats un-acceptable.
[06:25] <org_> VousDeux, when they will fix restricted-modules?
[06:25] <Nubbie> org_: when your x fails, hit ctrl alt F6, log in, then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <org_> hey guys do you think the same xorg.conf that worked for me in Feisty. would work here in gutsy? Hence same PC & same hardware! yes?
[06:25] <VousDeux> earlier someone said a few hours...but I'm not sure that was an authoritative answer
[06:25] <org_> Nubbie, I did that a thousand times.
[06:26] <VousDeux> I would expect it to be fixed today
[06:26] <VousDeux> hopefully
[06:26] <Nubbie> org_: it might work, give it a shot. if not, big whoop, you're back where you started.
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> well, seems there is an update to the realtime kernel restricted modules
[06:26] <org_> Nubbie, It created a cool xorg.conf for me, with my exact hard-ware prefences. Then when i reboot, again it pops that msg that says "ubuntu is now running in low graphic mode" then i have to configure from there, and it replace xorg.conf to another one, A crappy one. bad resulotion, bad VGA card. dnno whats wrong.
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> just now on the "us.archives.ubuntu.com"
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> cause i have that in here too
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> for testing
[06:27] <ppj> automagic kernels list
[06:27] <ppj> cute name
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> sorry for the longer post... "The following packages have been automatically kept back:
[06:27] <nomasteryoda>   linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:27] <nomasteryoda>   duplicity linux-backports-modules-rt linux-headers-generic linux-headers-rt linux-image-rt
[06:27] <nomasteryoda>   linux-restricted-modules-rt linux-rt" with aptitude
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> ya it is
[06:28] <org_> Nubbie, I gave it a shot dude.
[06:28] <ppj> bahha, i own grub
[06:28] <org_> Nubbie, I told you. every single time, whatever I put in my xorg.conf. it'll replace that one to a crapp xorg.conf, every time man
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> oh well nvm
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> i'm tired .. it was heldback...
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:28] <wers> I have not added any 3rd party repo. but now, there are kernel updates available that the software updater claim not to be authenticated.. do you think that it's okay for me to update?
[06:28] <overclucker> ubotu, it was  tv show
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it was  tv show - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <overclucker> heh
[06:29] <org_> aight, im done with this.
[06:29] <SilentDis> 'lo :)
[06:29] <org_> now why games are not working?
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> gl
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> gl
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> GL
[06:29] <overclucker> so, um what kernel is 7.10 using?
[06:29] <org_> nomasteryoda, I have them installed man.. :(
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> right, but without GL nvidia, you can't ...
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> wait for 6hrs
[06:30] <org_> i have nvidia nomasteryoda
[06:30] <org_> nomasteryoda, your the man, come on help me out.. i want to play wow
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> right, but not the restricted kernel modules to go with the nice new kernel you have
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:30] <org_> nomasteryoda, you can't play games too?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> someone's addicted huh?
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> err, sure i can
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> but i have not rebooted
[06:31] <org_> why
[06:31] <overclucker> ubotu kernel
[06:31] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> still using same stuff that was there before the update
[06:31] <org_> try to reboot, lets see what will happen
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:31] <SilentDis> eep, and here I was about to take the plunge and go 7.10.  I can't live without my WoW!
[06:31] <VousDeux> hehe...GL no work without good video drivers
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> sleep required .... can't now... if it breaks, wife will not be happy... since she uses that thing more than me lately
[06:31] <org_> nomasteryoda, but I don't get it. i have nvidia installed, and GL installed. why you saying its not installed dude!!
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i just remote in with nx
[06:32] <advancedonsite> hey i noticed that theres the update .18 now is it considered pretty stable
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> kernelmodules
[06:32] <VousDeux> I'll probably have to recompile VMware again too, but I don't want to mess with it until the video is back working again
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:32] <org_> VousDeux, whats VMware?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> would be a waste of time
[06:32] <VousDeux> it
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> its awesome... and VirtualBox is pretty good
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> run windows in a window
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> or Linux or BSD
[06:33] <VousDeux> it's a virtual computer environment
[06:33] <VousDeux> with it you can run other OS's inside of a tabbed window
[06:33] <VousDeux> or full screen too
[06:34] <VousDeux> so you can change OS with a keystroke
[06:34] <peepsalot> can't wait for the official Gutsy release
[06:34] <advancedonsite> anyone working with a T61
[06:35] <VousDeux> plenty of Kubuntu users here
[06:35] <SilentDis> :D
[06:36] <WorkingOnWise> SilentDis: I think they will lit you in. AKAIK, kubuntu users have prettier skirts...
[06:36] <VousDeux> SilentDis, we just have to type a little slower for the Ubuntu crowd :)
[06:36] <SilentDis> roflmao
[06:36] <Nubbie> SilentDis: type this into your terminal... "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[06:37] <Nubbie> :)
[06:37] <SilentDis> Nubbie: already did.  i use some of the parts of the ubuntu-desktop environment as it is, figured i might as well have it installed.  I still use KDM though lol
[06:37] <Dr_willis> then hit 'return' :)
[06:37] <Nubbie> oh yeah, thanks doc.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> 'i dont have a return key... i got an enter key'      ----> overheard once...
[06:38] <Nubbie> if i'm trying to newb somebody, i should probably assume they need to be told to hit the enter key lol
[06:38] <Nubbie> SilentDis: i keed.
[06:38] <org_> whats the time in USA now
[06:38] <Nubbie> :l
[06:38] <Dr_willis> or when someone types   'cd space slash root '
[06:38] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: that's when you pick up their keyboard, and bash them in the face, repeatedly.  if they question this action, bash harder, till they stop :D
[06:38] <Dr_willis> its 12:30 here in Indiana
[06:38] <Nubbie> org_: there's about 6 time zones in North America... pick one.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> so 'midnight' is a good answer
[06:39] <org_> HAHAHA
[06:39] <org_> omg so big
[06:39] <Nubbie> w00t Eastern Standard Time :)
[06:39] <Nubbie> org_: you're forgetting about canada, mexico, and all of central and south america. we all have the same time zones.
[06:39] <SilentDis> I always enjoyed telling people to check out slashdot.  "h tee tee pee colin slash slashdot dot org" :D
[06:39] <Nubbie> org_: why is the US so special?
[06:39] <org_> >_<
[06:40] <Dr_willis> the STATE of Indiana has like 3 different Time Zones. :)
[06:40] <Dr_willis> all scattered around.
[06:40] <org_> because,, I was thinking when ubuntu people will start working in the Video driver resticted thingy.
[06:40] <org_> so if its Morning, they might be working as we speak (right now)
[06:40] <org_> if its night, i'll think its impossible that they are working now.
[06:40] <Starcraftmazter> does anyone find that rythmbox plays some music weirdly, and puts in static?
[06:40] <Nubbie> SilentDis: you need to go, ess, ell, eh, ess, ehtch, dee, owe, tee.
[06:40] <ironmatar> well  whats the deal on gutsy  will its be as stable and as easy to use as Xp
[06:41] <Dr_willis> given how BAD xp is in ways.... :)
[06:41] <Nubbie> org_: who is they...
[06:41] <Dr_willis>  gutsy is working decently well here.
[06:41] <org_> ubuntu delevolers
[06:41] <org_> ubuntu developers*
[06:41] <Nubbie> org_: you realize ubuntu is a south african / UK distribution right?
[06:41] <org_> really?
[06:41] <Nubbie> org_: and that the developers live all over the world...
[06:41] <SilentDis> ironmatar: xp is NOT easy to use, it's just familiar.  if your gauge of 'easy' is 'locigal', then linux has been easier to use since about kernel 2.2 lol
[06:41] <org_> WoW
[06:41] <org_> Nice
[06:41] <penguincentral> how many updates today?
[06:41] <ppj> oh god, enough xp vs ubuntu talk
[06:42] <Nubbie> penguincentral: not enough
[06:42] <org_> is there a developer that is in North africa?
[06:42] <ppj> seriously
[06:42] <org_> like in egypt.
[06:42] <penguincentral> Nubbie: yeah.  but really, how many?
[06:42] <Nubbie> ppj: who's talking about XP right now?
[06:42] <ironmatar> seriously  its about playing games
[06:42] <ppj> Nubbie, look up
[06:42] <penguincentral> ppj: yeah
[06:42] <pwnguin> does anyone actually live in south africa and work on ubuntu?
[06:42] <Nubbie> oh right
[06:42] <VousDeux> updates just one shy of enough for me :)
[06:42] <ppj> pwnguin, south africas a pretty big place, i dont see why not
[06:42] <pwnguin> canonical is incorporated in the UK, i presume shuttleworth spends most his time there now
[06:42] <penguincentral> maybe the xp vs ubuntu war should go to offtopic
[06:43] <penguincentral> :)
[06:43] <pwnguin> ppj: not so much
[06:43] <SilentDis> ironmatar: WoW runs just fine under linux... so does nethack.  what other games are there? :)
[06:43] <ppj> not so much what?
[06:43] <pwnguin> ppj: theres really only one big city i know of in south africa
[06:43] <Dr_willis> SilentDis,  Frozenbubble
[06:43] <pwnguin> johannesburg
[06:43] <ironmatar> i was just asking a general question  dont need a riot   eve-Online
[06:43] <Nubbie> ironmatar: you cannot compare them. XP was released 6 years ago, and Gutsy hasn't been released at all yet.
[06:43] <ppj> pwnguin, there are like 50 million people in south africa
[06:44] <ironmatar> rofl
[06:44] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: lol
[06:44] <Nubbie> lol.
[06:44] <Nubbie> quote of the day.
[06:44] <Nubbie> right there.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> SilentDis,  google for "Rocks and Diamonds" if you like the old boulder dash type games also.
[06:44] <pwnguin> ppj: it takes more than just people. you need infrastucture, education, and the desire to stick around
[06:45] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: actually, i was digging around the other day and found my copy of UT2k4 on DVD.  Might try that sometime, fragfests are always fun :)
[06:45] <ppj> pwnguin, south africa is hardly the cliche africa of movies
[06:45] <Dr_willis> SilentDis,  problem with games like that will be getting all the patches, and extras installed right to play on servers.
[06:45] <Nubbie> ubuntu service packs happen every day, because stuff breaks every day on every computer anywhere, running any operating system. some people just fix their bugs faster than others.
[06:45] <pwnguin> ppj: still, the number of developers is skewed to the NA / UE nations
[06:46] <Dr_willis> RTCW:ET is a must have classic also
[06:46] <pwnguin> and AU
[06:46] <penguincentral> woo! AU
[06:46] <ironmatar> i understand a bit about ubuntu  from fighting with fiesty til my moniter blew up   what i know about sudo commands and sutch  should be enough to make it within the realm of whats id call "easy"
[06:46] <ppj> pwnguin, uh, obviously, but you make it sound like there are no developers out of 50 million people, about 15% being "western" in south africa
[06:46] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: true. I've been content with WoW and nethack for a long time though, time to throw something new into the mix :)
[06:46] <Nubbie> ironmatar: if linux made your monitor blow up, you should give computers a rest.
[06:46] <pwnguin> ppj: and maybe two Ubuntu developers i know of
[06:47] <pwnguin> sh and sabdafl
[06:47] <Dr_willis> SilentDis,  theres a few variants of nethack out also.  Thers also a nice 'Free Colonization' clone called 'freecol' (in java)
[06:47] <ironmatar> nope it was a future power about 6 years old maby 7
[06:47] <org_> so
[06:47] <org_> did they fix it yet?
[06:47] <Nubbie> ironmatar: did you have it plugged in upside down.... did you bend the ground wire off your plug... cause there was no way ubuntu could ever "blow up" your monitor.
[06:47] <ppj> did you plug your usb cable into a firewire slot?
[06:47] <ironmatar> i dident say it did
[06:47] <pwnguin> ppj: i think its silly then to call it a UK / South African distro.
[06:47] <ironmatar> :}
[06:47] <Dr_willis> Teh Computer Oveclocked his Montitor! :0
[06:48] <pwnguin> ppj: thats my only point, really.
[06:48] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: actually, i play with falcon's eye usually.  it feels pretty true to the original, and looks pretty :)
[06:48] <clusty> is this right place to report compiz issues with gutsy?
[06:48] <ppj> pwnguin, i think calling any of the distros by their continent/region is silly
[06:48] <Nubbie> quote... " ...  from fighting with fiesty til my moniter blew up..."
[06:48] <Dr_willis> Uubntu is a 'Human disrto' :)
[06:48] <Nubbie> it is silly, because there's developers everywhere.
[06:48] <ironmatar> sorry dident mean to imple the os had anything to do with it
[06:48] <pwnguin> ppj: im pretty sure red flag linux can safely be called chinese ;)
[06:49] <ironmatar> just a old old crt
[06:49] <Nubbie> i was just wondering why org_ thought all of the developers lived in the US.
[06:49] <[reed] > so, where's linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic ?
[06:49] <[reed] > :/
[06:49] <[reed] > new kernel released
[06:49] <[reed] > but linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13* was forgotten
[06:49] <org_> Nubbie, Thanks
[06:49] <ppj> [reed] , drunk, clubbing, probably looking for some honies
[06:49] <[reed] > ... again
[06:49] <org_> Nubbie, hm...
[06:49] <level1> the RC comes out tommarow right?  at what hour in what time zone does it happen?
[06:49] <org_> reed what you didn't know?
[06:50] <[reed] > org_: ?
[06:50] <org_> reed, you just came online or what?
[06:50] <Nubbie> level1: whenever they upload it to the servers, and whenever the mirrors sync to it.
[06:50] <pschulz01> I'm trying to scan under Gutsy, and it only works if I run xsane with root permissions (gksudo).
[06:50] <ironmatar> i ahve a gutsy dload ffrom maby 4 weeks back or so  however it seg fautts on startup
[06:50] <[reed] > org_: I just updated 251 packages...
[06:50] <ironmatar> er faults
[06:50] <[reed] > so, yes, I guess
[06:50] <pschulz01> There are 6 bus related top this.
[06:50] <org_> reed, ok now wait for restricted.
[06:50] <pschulz01> bugs
[06:50] <Nubbie> ironmatar: thats because you're trying to use ALPHA software.
[06:50] <[reed] > org_: how long is the way usually? can't really restart without screwing myself ;)
[06:51] <org_> reed, yea don't restart. Don't do like me.
[06:51] <ironmatar> no worse than fiesty
[06:51] <org_> reed, im so screwed cuz of this. and I can't have my VGA installed perfectly and things running ridiculous!
[06:51] <org_> reed, just wait.. it might take a year
[06:51] <Nubbie> ironmatar: can you please stop it with feisty? it was a good solid release.
[06:51] <Nubbie> ironmatar: so you had problems, deal with it.
[06:51] <[reed] > org_: hopefully not ;)
[06:51] <ironmatar> sorry it just dident work for me
[06:52] <Nubbie> ironmatar: okay?
[06:52] <Nubbie> ironmatar: and you came and asked for help when you got confused i hope.. instead of just throwing your hands in the air and giving up on it.
[06:53] <Nubbie> you could throw your hard drive in a microwave and somebody in #ubuntu would help you through it lol.
[06:53] <clusty> any1 here using matlab? for some reason compiz is screwing up all windows with it
[06:54] <ironmatar> yea i did  i dont know how many weeks i played with every solid trick i could find to get it to run  and everyone that helped me  felt it was my 8500gt vid card
[06:55] <ironmatar> which isent in restricted drivers yet in fiesty
[06:55] <clusty> ironmatar, you can run the old kernel
[06:55] <clusty> till new odules come out
[06:56] <clusty> whats the rush?
[06:56] <org_> come on
[06:56] <org_> tell me its fixed
[06:56] <ironmatar> a corp in 0.0 space with about 5 billion in assets and 7 members
[06:57] <Nubbie> ironmatar: that would be when i would've suggested you use intel graphics in the future since intel usually cooperates in releasing driver specs.
[07:00] <clusty> those who google find the results :D
[07:28] <org_> i did "apt-get remove kde-desktop"
[07:28] <org_> but i still do have alot of kde packages. How to completly remove everything related to KDE?
[07:28] <jumpkick> has anyone else had a problem with ubuntu package upgrades knocking out their NIC card?
[07:29] <clusty> org_, tried apt-get autoremove ?
[07:29] <clusty> this will trash all packages that were installed as deps
[07:29] <Hobbsee> org_: remove libqt3-mt
[07:29] <org_> clusty, I done that too
[07:29] <org_> clusty, i done that right after finishing kde-desktop
[07:29] <org_> Hobbsee, whats that.
[07:29] <clusty> lots of stuff will fly out cause of qt
[07:30] <Hobbsee> org_: it's the thing that all hte kde stuff depends on
[07:30] <org_> I did it.
[07:30] <clusty> but not sure if thats what you want
[07:30] <org_> clusty, will that remove some gnome stuff too?
[07:30] <clusty> org_, there are all sorts of packages depending on QT. try what he said
[07:31] <clusty> if nothing needed is tried to be killed proceed
[07:31] <org_> clusty, then if something in particular i wanted, i can single install it right
[07:31] <clusty> sure
[07:32] <jumpkick> oh... seems my dhcp client is the problem
[07:32] <jumpkick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcdbd/+bug/93360
[07:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93360 in dhcdbd "Dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:32] <jumpkick> dhcdbd is killing my NIC card on package upgrades
[07:32] <jumpkick> lovely
[07:33] <WGGMk> is this for dev? or is it cool to ask questions/help?
[07:33] <skinnypuppy1334> How would you open a new Gnome session in terminal ctl alt f2  ??
[07:35] <clusty> skinnypuppy1334, not sure i get what you mean
[07:35] <WGGMk> skinnypuppy1334: i dont think you can have multiple Gnome session's.. I think you need 2 X-servers running to do that
[07:35] <org_> damn this command removed amarok :(
[07:35] <clusty> org_, told ye :D
[07:36] <clusty> org_, try banshee
[07:36] <org_> clusty, told me wut.. i need amarok dude
[07:36] <org_> what is banshee :)
[07:36] <WGGMk> banshee is pretty hawt
[07:36] <clusty> org_, gnome look alike
[07:36] <clusty> for amarok
[07:36] <clusty> lighter
[07:36] <clusty> and faster
[07:36] <WGGMk> you can synch your iPod to it as well
[07:36] <clusty> but not as cool looking
[07:36] <clusty> :(
[07:36] <org_> clusty, ok:)
[07:36] <org_> so amarok is only for kde, yes?
[07:37] <WGGMk> i think so
[07:37] <`Matir> org_, you can install it under gnome
[07:37] <clusty> you can run for gnome
[07:37] <`Matir> it will just install some kde libs
[07:37] <skinnypuppy1334> I'd heard of a few people talking about launching a new login in f2 and running kde on f2 and gnome on f7.
[07:37] <org_> btw, do i type "apt-get autoremove" after the tons of packages that been removed?
[07:37] <skinnypuppy1334> That is why I wanted to know how to launch a new session in f2
[07:37] <WGGMk> skinnypuppy1334: you got me, dont know how to do that
[07:38] <clusty> i have my doubts you can have 2 WMs for 1 X
[07:38] <org_> clusty, ? after apt-get remove libqt3-mt.. do i do "apt-get autoremove" ?? is it needed?
[07:38] <clusty> org_, try and see :D
[07:38] <clusty> org_, cant hurt really
[07:38] <WGGMk> can anyone help or guide me on where broadcom firmware is located?
[07:38] <org_> clusty, no i was wondering if its needed to do that command everytime you apt-get remove a tons of packages.
[07:39] <org_> is it like clean or what
[07:39] <WGGMk> org_ it usually tells you when there's packages no longer used
[07:39] <org_> ok, whats a KTorrent program alike for gnome?
[07:39] <clusty> org_, i think it checks for all packages that were marked as installed as dependency, and if main package is gone so will the deps be
[07:39] <WGGMk> at least it usually tells me after apt-get upgrade
[07:39] <clusty> org_, go for deluge
[07:39] <clusty> :D
[07:39] <skinnypuppy1334> Got me too, I remember being able to do it in suse back in 8.2 but that was years ago
[07:40] <clusty> its great
[07:40] <org_> delute?
[07:40] <clusty> where do you think i can get some suspens support for my poor laptop?
[07:40] <clusty> deluge
[07:40] <clusty> sorry
[07:43] <org_> whats kdiskfree for gnome?
[07:46] <gaminggeek> org_: hmm?
[07:47] <clusty> there is some resource manager
[07:47] <clusty> sys monitor
[07:47] <gaminggeek> what does kdiskfree do?
[07:47] <clusty> add the sys monitor applet to your bar
[07:47] <clusty> and click on it
[07:48] <gaminggeek> oh righto
[07:49] <michael__> I just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy, and after doing a dist-upgrade, my restricted drivers were removed.
[07:49] <gaminggeek> michael__: go to the restricted driver manager and add them again maybe?
[07:49] <michael__> After trying to run the restricted driver manager it says to get "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic", but when I try to apt-get it, it says the package is not availible
[07:49] <michael__> D;
[07:49] <org_> Hobbsee, you still there?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:50] <gaminggeek> thats no good
[07:50] <Hobbsee> michael__: wait.  patience is good.
[07:50] <org_> Hobbsee, now how to remove all xfce things & Its packages and stuff :)
[07:50] <michael__> Hobbsee, Okay?
[07:50] <gaminggeek> I just upgraded from the disk
[07:50] <Hobbsee> org_: no idea.  see what everything of xfce depends on
[07:50] <org_> michael__, its not out, We are all waiting for it :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> michael__: this happens every kernel upload.
[07:50] <org_> Hobbsee, Ok.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> with an api bump
[07:50] <michael__> Hobbsee, ah
[07:50] <michael__> D:
[07:50] <Assid> hrmm
[07:51] <Assid> anyone here on a dell d600 ?
[07:52] <Assid> err.. if im dling new disc.. should i get the beta or daily build ?
[07:53] <clusty> michael__, what kernel are you running?
[07:53] <michael__> let's see
[07:53] <michael__> Linux michael-laptop 2.6.22-13-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 4 17:18:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:53] <clusty> hold tight
[07:54] <clusty> :D
[07:54] <clusty> the restricted modules are not out
[07:54] <michael__> clusty, How long do you think it'll take?
[07:54] <michael__> D: Right now I'm plugged into a line
[07:54] <Hobbsee> Assid: daily
[07:54] <clusty> michael__, use the 12 one
[07:54] <Hobbsee> Assid: sorry, btea.
[07:54] <michael__> clusty, kk
[07:54] <clusty> michael__, no package yet for 13 restricted
[07:54] <Amaranth> Probably don't see an archive admin to let l-r-m out of binary NEW until monday
[07:54] <Amaranth> s/don't/won't/
[07:55] <comand> doh
[07:55] <Amaranth> comand: as i told you in #ubuntu+1
[07:55] <comand> yeah
[07:55] <Amaranth> err, in #ubuntu
[07:55] <Assid> okay brb.. gotta get on my 2mbit
[07:55] <michael__> clusty, Wait, so how do I go back?
[07:55] <Amaranth> michael__: from the grub menu at boot
[07:55] <WGGMk> clusty: will i need to redownload broadcom firmware when the restricted modules are released for 13.. or can i use the old firmware?
[07:55] <michael__> Amaranth, ah
[07:55] <michael__> D: k
[07:55] <Amaranth> michael__: it probably says 'press esc to show menu'
[07:56] <clusty> check grub config
[07:56] <clusty> make sure you get to choose kernel
[07:56] <clusty> if not move the 12 one first
[07:57] <michael__> I just moved around the kernels in menu.lst
[07:57] <michael__> :)
[07:57] <clusty> michael__, gr8
[07:57] <Amaranth> I just built the package locally :P
[07:57] <clusty> how do you do that?
[07:57] <Amaranth> takes awhile
[07:57] <clusty> nvm then :D
[07:58] <clusty> help help
[07:58] <clusty> :D
[07:58] <clusty> suspend aint working :((((((((((((((
[07:58] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic && sudo apt-get -b source linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[07:58] <clusty> thats it?
[07:58] <clusty> :D"
[08:01] <DM|> Ok help me out guys, ive tried 7.04 7.10, and 7.04 alternate CD, no matter what i still get a kernel panic when trying to install from scratch, any ideas?
[08:02] <clusty> DM|, what hardward do you have?
[08:02] <clusty> hardware*
[08:02] <clusty> some cutting edge new stuff?
[08:02] <DM|> 850 mhz pent 3, 160gb hd, 860+ ram (Forget number)
[08:02] <DM|> no older stuff
[08:03] <clusty> any hints to why it panics?
[08:04] <WGGMk> DM|: what kind of kernel panic?
[08:04] <DM|> lemme go back to that terminal one sec
 Kernel Panic - not syncing: attemted to kill the idle Task!
[08:05] <WGGMk> DM|: i dunno if id run Ubuntu on your system.. did you ever try DSL?
[08:05] <DM|> damn small linux, no
[08:05] <clusty> DM|, no idea really
[08:06] <clusty> hardware changed a lot since p3
[08:06] <clusty> and so did hardware support
[08:06] <WGGMk> DM|: it might be more appealing as far as "performance" is concerned
[08:06] <DM|> L (
[08:06] <WGGMk> doesnt Ubuntu have a tiny distro?
[08:06] <clusty> ..or a BSD
[08:06] <DM|> Performance is fine on it, that was never a problem
[08:06] <clusty> :D
[08:06] <DM|> I had ubuntu at one point on that pc
[08:06] <WGGMk> DM|: oh, that changes things
[08:07] <WGGMk> DM| : do you have any weird add on cards?
[08:07] <DM|> i unplugged pretty much all of them
[08:08] <DM|> even changed vid cards
[08:08] <DM|> lemme try disconnecting some HDDs
[08:08] <WGGMk> DM|: i dunno what else it could be.. which was the last distro of bunty you had working?
[08:09] <Ahadiel> Anyone have issues with Deluge-torrent?
[08:09] <Ahadiel> It just crashes when I try to run it =/
[08:09] <org_> There isn't a version of deluge for Gutsy.
[08:09] <org_> its all for feisty there. isnt it?
[08:10] <clusty> org_, i got a newer deluge
[08:10] <Ahadiel> It's in the repos D: And there's a gutsy version on their site.
[08:10] <clusty> from site
[08:10] <Ahadiel> clusty, I tried the one from the site, but it still crashes
[08:10] <org_> clusty, for gutsy? I was in the site. there is no gutsy version
[08:10] <org_> but whatever makes you hapy you know.
[08:10] <Ahadiel> I'll try removing my .deluge directory
[08:10] <clusty> org_, http://download.deluge-torrent.org/index.php?dir=ubuntu/gutsy/0.5.5/&file=deluge-torrent_0.5.5-2_i386.deb
[08:11] <org_> thanks i now use transmission
[08:11] <org_> its pretty good
[08:11] <jaek_> so the nvidia restricted driver is supposed to work on gusty?
[08:11] <org_> jaek_, yeah
[08:11] <org_> jaek_, i mean it doesn't work.
[08:12] <org_> jaek_, you can't install nvidia driver, not today.
[08:12] <jaek_> k, cus when i run that configure thing i cant get it to accept the nvidia driver
[08:12] <WGGMk> jaek_: like i said in #ubuntu, you shouldnt need to install the package from nVidia.. Gusty does it for you.. using the open source version
[08:13] <jaek_> using nv, right
[08:13] <WGGMk> jaek_: oops.. sorry
[08:13] <org_> jaek_, yea im using "nv" too
[08:13] <jaek_> but i'm trying to get the "nvidia" driver to work
[08:13] <org_> jaek_, just for now tho
[08:13] <org_> jaek_, you can't.
[08:13] <wedderburn> when are the linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-13-generic for gutsy going to be available, thanks.
[08:13] <org_> i been throw this, for a long time
[08:13] <WGGMk> jaek_: my xorg.conf says im using nVidia.. installed from restricted drivers manager
[08:13] <jaek_> org_, so, when gusty is officially released nvidia isnt going to work either?
[08:13] <gunny> I'm trying qbittorrent it its at RC3 stage seems pretty good
[08:14] <org_> jaek_, each time i restart X. i got a window pop that says "ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" then i configure back to "nv" so it work..
[08:14] <org_> it only work in "nv"
[08:14] <org_> nothing else
[08:14] <jaek_> org_, yeah same here
[08:14] <org_> jaek_, yea man, its been horrible for me too.. only thing we can do, is to wait.
[08:14] <jaek_> WGGMk, please post your xorg.conf on pastebin or something
[08:14] <org_> meanwhile you can't start games or restart X. just wait
[08:14] <WGGMk> jaek: sec
[08:14] <jaek_> i might downgrade
[08:14] <wedderburn> i got the same issue its cause the restricted modules arn't in yet for when are the linux-2.6.22-13
[08:14] <org_> jaek_, downgrade what? Kernel??
[08:14] <jaek_> i jsut did a fresh install so it wont be bad to do it again
[08:14] <MasterShrek> org_, did u try the driver from nvidia's site?
[08:14] <org_> MasterShrek, yea it can't work
[08:15] <org_> MasterShrek, its from gutsy
[08:15] <jaek_> MasterShrek, no, i dont want to go outside the package manager
[08:15] <MasterShrek> its just your vid card driver, but w/e
[08:15] <DM|> WGGMk it was a bad stick of memory.... lol
[08:15] <MasterShrek> its not like its re-configuring your entire system, its one driver, i mean in a windows install you install a billion different drivers from all over the place
[08:15] <org_> MasterShrek, no its not, I got the CD driver from my vga box.
[08:15] <org_> MasterShrek, and it didnt work
[08:16] <WGGMk> DM|: nice.. i was thinking hardware... good troubleshooting man
[08:16] <org_> MasterShrek, do you have gutsy?
[08:16] <MasterShrek> yes
[08:16] <org_> MasterShrek, nvidia vga card?
[08:16] <MasterShrek> yes
[08:16] <WGGMk> jaek_: http://pastebin.org/4234
[08:16] <org_> and its installed?
[08:16] <MasterShrek> yes
[08:16] <org_> MasterShrek, when was last time you reboot system?
[08:16] <MasterShrek> runs great, fusion works fine
[08:17] <MasterShrek> all the time, i take my laptop to class every day
[08:17] <org_> no i mean today
[08:17] <org_> did you boot
[08:17] <org_> the last 3 hrs
[08:17] <MasterShrek> yea, a bunch of times
[08:17] <MasterShrek> no, whats that got to do with it?
[08:17] <org_> weird.. show me your xorg.conf pls
[08:17] <clusty> MasterShrek, what hardware is your laptop?
[08:17] <MasterShrek> um..ok?
[08:17] <jaek_> MasterShrek, seems to be using the binary from nvidia directly
[08:17] <MasterShrek> geforce go 6150
[08:18] <jaek_> WGGMk, you are using the gusty driver?
[08:18] <clusty> MasterShrek, i cant my 7400 to work
[08:18] <clusty> MasterShrek, i mean suspend
[08:18] <MasterShrek> tried nvidia's driver from their site?
[08:18] <MasterShrek> i dont suspend, never has worked well in linux
[08:18] <MasterShrek> or hibernate
[08:18] <WGGMk> jaek_: yes
[08:18] <clusty> it works just fine on my old broken p4 laptop
[08:18] <clusty> :D
[08:19] <clusty> laptop with no suspend is unacceptable :D
[08:19] <MasterShrek> if the gutsy driver doesnt work for you, used nvidia's from their website
[08:19] <MasterShrek> mine boots fast enough, i dont mind :)
[08:19] <WGGMk> jaek_: which kernel are you running?
[08:20] <jaek_> default gusty one, 2.6.24 or something
[08:20] <MasterShrek> org_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39740/
[08:20] <MasterShrek> 2.6.22
[08:20] <jaek_> yeah i guess that one
[08:20] <org_> MasterShrek, ok here's what happen, I install my vga card driver from cd or even synaptic, i got latest nvidia drivers. (Same way i did in feisty & it worked in feisty) allright. then i configure my xorg.conf really well, I made the nvidia device in xorg. and i made it as Feisty too and in feisty it worked too. then i reboot. and strange window will pop. with a high resulotion 800x600 saying that "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" Then it ask me to conf
[08:20] <WGGMk> -#?
[08:20] <MasterShrek> 23 isnt even released yet, rc8 or something
[08:20] <org_> igure to pick a nvidia from a list, then my xorg.conf will be changed, & my vga will be "nv" instead of "nvidia" Thats the only way it works, why is that? because of the restidrted thats not updated from gutsy. you can't have that work until gutsy will release their restirdted modules.
[08:21] <winbond> are the firefox/flash crashes gonna be fixed in gutsy?? so far its still crashes, has been crashing forever
[08:21] <MasterShrek> org_, install the driver from nvidia
[08:21] <MasterShrek> itll work fine, you just gotta recompile it whenever your kernel gets upgraded
[08:22] <nir0> hi all! how do i turn off brightness control? it's broken to me, and when i work from battery it darkens display down to 0 :(((
[08:22] <MasterShrek> nir0, what kinda vid card u got?
[08:22] <org_> MasterShrek, why recompile it when kernel gets upgraded? Recompile the video driver from synaptic you mean? is it better than the website driver?
[08:23] <WGGMk> org_: the nvidia driver is a module.. because its closed source.. you have to install it to run it.. the kernel cant have "built in" support for it.. unless you build it in. so if you ever change your kerenel.. your going to have to reinstall and use that module
[08:23] <MasterShrek> i think the website's driver is newer, but i dont know, ive never used the ubuntu driver
[08:23] <nir0> MasterShrek: GeForce 8600m GT
[08:23] <MasterShrek> nir0, using restriced drivers?
[08:23] <nir0> MasterShrek: well, maybe
[08:23] <org_> WGGMk, that makes sense, but why is it not working atm. and if i get driver from nvidia website will it work?
[08:24] <WGGMk> org_: your running gusty? it SHOULD be working
[08:24] <org_> WGGMk, its not working
[08:24] <WGGMk> org_: from terminal.. sudo lsmod
[08:24] <org_> ok
[08:25] <MasterShrek> nir0, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:25] <org_> WGGMk, wait
[08:25] <nir0> MasterShrek: btw, when i'm trying to increase brightness it decreases instead (or stay 0)... even after reboot, when OS is not up
[08:25] <WGGMk> org_: did you download the restricted drivers manager? and the nvidia drivers? open the manager up and see if it says enabled
[08:25] <MasterShrek> nir0, ic
[08:25] <MasterShrek> nir0, i think mine is controlled by my bios also, ur using gutsy?
[08:25] <nir0> MasterShrek: only way to return brightness is to load vista
[08:25] <org_> WGGMk, http://pastebin.com/m6ea6e7d7
[08:25] <MasterShrek> nir0, ick =P
[08:25] <org_> WGGMk, i download restricted drivers?
[08:26] <org_> WGGMk, the restricted new one is not available thats why its not working
[08:26] <kidalabama> hello
[08:26] <kidalabama> me too
[08:26] <kidalabama> i have got same problem too.
[08:26] <WGGMk> org_: are you running 2.6.22-13?
[08:26] <MasterShrek> org_, you dont have the driver loaded there
[08:26] <MasterShrek> i spose not, like u said it wont go into x, so the module wouldnt be loaded
[08:27] <kidalabama> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[08:27] <WGGMk> org_: IF you use the nVidia driver FROM nvidia.. you should have a module called "nvidia" loaded after running that command
[08:27] <org_> MasterShrek, omg i tried. it cant be loaded. each time i try to install it. and ganarate my xorg.conf.. i restart X. then everything will go back to the same as my last time.. My xorg will change so is the dirver.
[08:27] <nir0> MasterShrek: yes... i'm on gusty now... on fiesty brightness control didn't work at all
[08:27] <org_> WGGMk, yes 2.6.22.13
[08:27] <WGGMk> kidalabama & org_: use 2.6.22-12
[08:27] <MasterShrek> people, use nvidias drivers, ive never had any problems with it, i hear nothign but bad things about this restricted driver crap, id trust nvidia way more for support anyway
[08:27] <jaek_> The following packages have been kept back: linux-restricted-modules-generic
[08:27] <org_> WGGMk, how to i do that.
[08:28] <kidalabama> how can i turn 2.6.22-12
[08:28] <org_> MasterShrek, so even if they updated kernel you will not get newest restricted and re-compile your nvidia?
[08:28] <kidalabama> WGGMk: how can i turn 2.6.22-12
[08:28] <WGGMk> org_: like MasterShrek just said.. you can use the nvidia drivers.. its not hard to use... OR you can reboot.. and when your thing comes up hit ESC (ya know when GRUB loader comes up) and select it fromthe kernel lsit
[08:29] <MasterShrek> org_, yes, i just keep the driver in my directory, and when it updates a kernel and i get stuck out of x, i recompile it, takes 30 seconds to a minute, and im back in x
[08:29] <org_> i'll do what MasterShrek said.
[08:29] <org_> ill try it
[08:29] <WGGMk> kidalabama: like i just told org_..
[08:29] <se7en^Of^9> does compiz not have the maximize, minimize,close bar (sorry i don;t know how it;s called) or is this a bug
[08:29] <MasterShrek> org_, you cant be in x when you install it though
[08:29] <kidalabama> when will create ne linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[08:29] <kidalabama> WGGMk: when will create ne linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[08:29] <org_> WGGMk, is there a driver for linux in nvidia website? I'm actually using a nvidia gforce 7300 GS
[08:29] <nir0> MasterShrek: so, you can't say how to turn off brightness control?
[08:29] <WGGMk> kidalabama: i have no idea
[08:30] <WGGMk> org_: yea..
[08:30] <MasterShrek> im not sure on that nir0, i think its a bios thing, and im guessing theres probably no support in the kernel for that particular bios option
[08:30] <MasterShrek> org_, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[08:30] <jaek_> damn i wish gnome didnt try to push evolution down my throat... i never use it
[08:30] <WGGMk> org_: its pretty much 1 size fits all
[08:30] <bazhang> hi! how to start up from a Vista machine from the CD drive so I can install Kubuntu over it?
[08:30] <org_> hmm
[08:30] <MasterShrek> jaek_, its not as annoying as totem
[08:30] <kidalabama> WGGMk: i am now using now wired network.
[08:30] <bazhang> Thanks!
[08:30] <org_> MasterShrek, is that for all kind of gforce nvidia??
[08:31] <WGGMk> jaek_: how exactly is it pushing it down your throat lol
[08:31] <nir0> MasterShrek: support is now exists, but its broken!
[08:31] <MasterShrek> org_, yea, it will compile itself for your card i think
[08:31] <jaek_> WGGMk, uh, can you remove it cleanly?
[08:31] <org_> MasterShrek, so do i need to quit X
[08:31] <org_> then download that file?
[08:31] <jaek_> WGGMk, i think gnome depends on having it... might be wrong
[08:31] <org_> and compile it
[08:31] <MasterShrek> nir0, what kernel are you using? uname -a
[08:31] <WGGMk> jaek_: i never tried.. prolly has gnome as a dependancy though so i wouldnt
[08:31] <MasterShrek> org_, yea, youll have to drop to tty1 or whatever, and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:31] <nir0> MasterShrek: Linux nir0-acer-aspire 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:32] <org_> this seems so hard
[08:32] <se7en^Of^9> does compiz not have the maximize, minimize,close bar (sorry i don;t know how it;s called) or is this a bug i use kubuntu gutsy
[08:32] <MasterShrek> i dunno for soure nir0, my buddy had an acer laptop that would never run right in linux
[08:32] <nir0> se7en^Of^9: your question is not for compiz
[08:33] <nir0> se7en^Of^9: but for emerald or gtk-window-decorator
[08:33] <jaek_> how do i see why a package is being held back?
[08:33] <MasterShrek> org_, make sure you chmod a+x NVIDIA....    so its executeable
[08:33] <MasterShrek> jaek_, doesnt it tell you?
[08:33] <se7en^Of^9> nir0: i got emerald installed
[08:34] <gunny> se7en^Of^9: sounds like your missing the windows decorators
[08:34] <MasterShrek> se7en^Of^9, run emerald --replace
[08:34] <jaek_> linux-restricted-modules-generic: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic but it is not installable
[08:34] <nir0> se7en^Of^9: try "emerald --replace"
[08:34] <se7en^Of^9> ok thanks i will try
[08:34] <nir0> se7en^Of^9: and then emerald-themes-manager
[08:34] <MasterShrek> jaek_, try opening synaptic and see if it can give you more info
[08:34] <jaek_> kk
[08:35] <org_> so i do "sh NVIDIA-Linux-ia64-1.0-5336-pkg1.run"
[08:35] <org_> and then run X? Thats all MasterShrek ?
[08:35] <MasterShrek> org_, yea or ./NVIDIA....
[08:35] <MasterShrek> ur running intel 64 bit?
[08:36] <MasterShrek> org_, to start x afterwards: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:36] <org_> I think so
[08:36] <org_> maybe intel 128
[08:36] <org_> now how do i quit from X
[08:36] <MasterShrek> org_, paste the output of uname -a  for me before u do this
[08:36] <nir0> org_: you should let installer to edit xorg if its first install
[08:37] <org_> Linux nawaf.com 2.6.22-13-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 4 17:18:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:37] <MasterShrek> org_, u downloaded the wrong driver
[08:37] <org_> nir0, how to let installer to edit xorg?
[08:37] <MasterShrek> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.19.html org_
[08:37] <MasterShrek> org_, it will ask you at the end of the install if u want it to update your xorg
[08:38] <MasterShrek> you can say no if u got it set up yourself
[08:38] <MasterShrek> it will still use nvidia as the driver, just like the ubuntu like driver would
[08:38] <WGGMk> org_: download the file.. then quit X by CTRL+ALT+F1 then login and run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" then "sudo sh NVIDIA_REST_OF_FILE.pkg" follow steps.. then after your done.. "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start or restart"
[08:38] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: you shouldnt have to do that
[08:38] <WGGMk> se7en^Of^9: its prolly a bug.. trying download the emerald theme and then running "emerald --replace &"
[08:38] <WGGMk> should be sudo apt-get isntall emerald
[08:38] <WGGMk> install*
[08:38] <org_> dang... my gnome is becoming so slow... why is that, is it because vga not installed? :/
[08:38] <jaek_> what is the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[08:38] <nox-Hand> Is it correct that within the last 24 hours, 124mb of upgrades (259) have been added to update list?
[08:38] <MasterShrek> org_, could be
[08:39] <Hobbsee> nox-Hand: likely
[08:39] <org_> WGGMk, thanks. that was helpful
[08:39] <org_> MasterShrek, ok thanks
[08:39] <org_> will do that now
[08:39] <MasterShrek> good luck
[08:39] <se7en^Of^9> WGGMk: got it installed and emerald --replace nothing changed do i have to run compiz now?
[08:39] <nox-Hand> Hobbsee: Well, I was more thinking if anyone could check (do an apt-get update, upgrade
[08:39] <org_> WGGMk, btw, ctrl+alt+f1 will kill my current X or make it on hold?
[08:40] <MasterShrek> org_, on hold, ctrl+alt+f7 brings you back
[08:40] <Hobbsee> nox-Hand: and the chances that they have exacltly the same packages as you is...
[08:40] <WGGMk> org_: will make it hold
[08:40] <org_> ok, but "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" will kill it right?
[08:40] <MasterShrek> org_, yes
[08:41] <org_> ok brb.. let me go fast before i forget these
[08:41] <nox-Hand> Hobbsee: Haha, touch
[08:41] <Hobbsee> nox-Hand: not overly - more just amused at your lack of thought before you asked your question :)
[08:41] <jaek_> what is the "new" nvidia-glx driver for?
[08:41] <WGGMk> org_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop MEANS Gnome Display Manager Stop
[08:41] <WGGMk> se7en: "emerald --replace &" should work..
[08:42] <MasterShrek> its probably just a newer version of it jaek_, nvidia periodically releases driver updates, and i would assume ubuntu doesnt update the right away
[08:42] <nox-Hand> Hobbsee: Got out of bed about... 2 mins ago :P I always do upgrades first thing :) (made a short script that does update, upgrade and dist-upgrade)
[08:42] <se7en^Of^9> WGGMk: nop nothing ...
[08:43] <Hobbsee> nox-Hand: haha.
[08:44] <jaek_> k, i think i understand why nvidia wont load
[08:44] <WGGMk> org_: yea it will kill it
[08:44] <MasterShrek> org_'s been gone for 3 minutes lol
[08:44] <jaek_> linux-restricted-modules-generic wants to upgrade to match the kernel, but the linux-restricted-modules-common package isnt up to date
[08:44] <WGGMk> se7en: i dunno man.. is compiz running? make sure you have that running to.. try restarting X.. CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[08:45] <MasterShrek> jaek_, can u upgrade linux-restricted-modules-common package?
[08:45] <jaek_> MasterShrek, no, because it isnt available
[08:45] <org_> Haha
[08:45] <MasterShrek> interesting
[08:45] <org_> MasterShrek, I told you, it never will work. you didn't believe me.
[08:45] <MasterShrek> what did u have again? 7300?
[08:45] <org_> yeah 7300 GS
[08:45] <jaek_> MasterShrek, "latest version" is 2.6.22.4 while -generic has 2.6.22.13 available
[08:46] <Starcraftmazter> yeh I got that as well
[08:46] <org_> It's not the driver... because, whenever my gdm want to startup. It will go to a 800x600 resulotion black screen, and popup a window that says "ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" Chose to configure or cancel or continue
[08:46] <jaek_> so guys, if you are fortunate to be running 2.6.22.4, do not upgrade
[08:46] <org_> whatever I click, it won't start. it'll pop this window again, unless if i choose configure then go to "NV" and click ok
[08:46] <edulix> hi
[08:46] <org_> what will that do? It'll change the xorg.conf again.
[08:47] <edulix> which package contains manpages for opengl?
[08:47] <org_> and run the lamest desktop i ever seen. and i cant run games or anything
[08:47] <Hobbsee> jaek_: it's still proccessing.  this happens *every* *single* *kernel*  *upload*  *with*  *an*  * api*  *bump*.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> this should not be new to people.
[08:47] <edulix> something like http://www.hmug.org/man/3/glTexImage2D.php
[08:47] <jaek_> Hobbsee, ah i see, first time i'm using an unstable branch
[08:47] <org_> i actually clicked on "PrntScrn" buttom while i was there... does that take a screenshot? If so where can i put it?
[08:48] <MasterShrek> org_, did u let it upgrade your xorg after the driver was installed?
[08:48] <jaek_> Hobbsee, so what am i supposed to do then?
[08:48] <org_> MasterShrek, yep
[08:49] <org_> but the thing i just talked to you about, It does that everytime, it replace my xorg.conf to something else to make X work like this. retardly bad.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> jaek_: wait.  keep updating.  if you need nvidia stuff, go back to the older kernel version in grub
[08:49] <winbond> are the firefox/flash crashes gonna be fixed in gutsy?? so far its still crashes, has been crashing forever
[08:49] <jaek_> Hobbsee, i dont have any older kernels, i just installed from the beta3 cd... so i guess i'll download the 7.04 cd and install over again?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> jaek_: ...there is no beta 3.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> winbond: do they happen with gnash and firefox?
[08:50] <WGGMk> org_: sudo lsmod pastebin it.. (bathroom quick)
[08:50] <MasterShrek> winbond, firefox and flash worked fine for me in feisty and in gutsy, and im running 64 bit
[08:50] <Hobbsee> jaek_: just wait, and keep upgrading
[08:51] <MasterShrek> jaek_, or wait until gutsy is released or download the beta image
[08:51] <org_> http://pastebin.com/m75487e33
[08:52] <MasterShrek> org_, pastebin your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:52] <jaek_> oh yeah... just says beta... dont know where that 3 came from
[08:52] <WGGMk> org_: did you get thru the nvidia driver install?
[08:52] <MasterShrek> jaek_, oh, i thought u were referring to tribe3 or something, yea i upgraded from feisty, seemed to work just fine
[08:53] <MasterShrek> yes he did WGGMk
[08:53] <org_> WGGMk, yep i did get thru really smooth. and it asked me to ganarate xorg.conf and i said ok
[08:53] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: lol i was just gonna ask for those files lol
[08:53] <jaek_> my fiesty was so messed up after running auto-remove a few times, so i just started over again
[08:53] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: did you notice the nvidia module isnt running???
[08:54] <jaek_> does the nv driver run compiz?
[08:54] <MasterShrek> yea, but that may be because hes not using it
[08:54] <MasterShrek> jaek_, not really i dont think
[08:54] <org_> thats my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m74ab523    (But thats the everytime xorg.conf been made by this error on gdm startup, it usually different than that before i got the error. Even if i change it now, and restart_x it will be like that after i come back on) if u know what i mean
[08:54] <MasterShrek> maybe, but it wont very good at all
[08:54] <jaek_> i'm bored so i'll give it a shot ;)
[08:55] <magnetron> jaek_: no
[08:55] <org_> MasterShrek, http://pastebin.com/mece3ea    the /var/log/Xorg
[08:56] <jaek_> WGGMk, what kernel are you running? uname -r
[08:56] <WGGMk> org_: did you restart at all after the install?
[08:56] <WGGMk> 2.6.22-12 generic
[08:56] <org_> WGGMk, nop, i did the gdm start
[08:56] <WGGMk> org_: hmm.. try sudo modprobe nvidia
[08:57] <org_> Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:58] <MasterShrek> org_, can you pastebin one more thing, your xorg.conf after youve made your modifications
[08:58] <org_> k
[08:59] <jaek_> i'll wait one day and downgrade... cant live without running wow and compiz ;)
[08:59] <MasterShrek> org_, nvm, did u try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg   ?
[08:59] <WGGMk> this puzzles me..
[09:00] <MasterShrek> WGGMk, hes missing things in that xorg.conf, it looks really lean to me
[09:00] <org_> MasterShrek, yea before i tried. and after an x restart. it'll pop the window again and change xorg.conf again to that one i already posted :)
[09:00] <org_> every single time, if i write "hii" in xorg.conf, it'll change it again to that one u have
[09:00] <MasterShrek> weird
[09:00] <winbond> Hobbsee, gnash is so broken it wont play anything
[09:01] <MasterShrek> org_, fix your xorg.conf again, kill your gdm, and run startx as your user and see if it does it
[09:01] <winbond> MasterShrek, flash has been crashing for ever as far as i can remember using linux
[09:01] <WGGMk> org_: what gcard do you have? laptop or desktop?
[09:01] <org_> MasterShrek, it does the same man....
[09:01] <org_> desktop
[09:01] <MasterShrek> flash runs just fine for me, and in 32 bit it runs really nice
[09:02] <WGGMk> yea im using amd64 gusty and adobe flash from restricted drivers and its smooth
[09:02] <WGGMk> org_: what gcard do you have?
[09:03] <org_> gcard? whats that sorry
[09:03] <org_> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[09:03] <org_>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20071006100240
[09:03] <WGGMk> org: Graphic Card.. and is it AGP / PCI / PCIe?
[09:03] <MasterShrek> pciE i think the 7300 is
[09:03] <WGGMk> org_: did you CHMOD that NVIDIA packagte?
[09:04] <org_> WGGMk, yep
[09:04] <org_> WGGMk, did it get installed?
[09:04] <org_> now i changed xorg.conf to that. http://pastebin.com/md5f0be
[09:04] <org_> and look, if i restart X now, it'll go back to the pervious xorg.conf where it say "Device"    "nv" :)
[09:05] <org_> WGGMk, my vga is 7300 GS, i think PCI
[09:06] <WGGMk> org_: delete that packages.. redownload the package.. DO NOT CHANGE the ownership
[09:06] <org_> what packages
[09:06] <WGGMk> org_: the nvidia driver.. the installer.. redownload it (after you deleted the old one) and reinstall them.. using sudo
[09:07] <org_> the packages i installed about nvidia from synaptic you mean, yes?
[09:07] <WGGMk> org_: dont change the owner ship.. leave it as is.. make sure your on the sudo list.. IE: sudo visudo... look for your name.. if your nto there copy the root (with your name instead)
[09:07] <blekos> hello
[09:08] <WGGMk> org_: the nvidia packages.. go to the nvidia site.. redownload the drivers.. dont use the CHMOD'ed package
[09:08] <blekos> guys i really need ur help. last night i did and update. The new kernel 2.6.22-13 was installed. One I try to boot from that kernel
[09:08] <blekos> i get the message kinit no resume image
[09:08] <org_> WGGMk, ok
[09:08] <blekos> but when i boot from -12 everythings seems 2 work fine
[09:08] <org_> WGGMk, how do i uninstall the first package i downloaded?
[09:08] <WGGMk> blekos: try and keep your questions to 1-2 lines
[09:08] <blekos> ok
[09:09] <WGGMk> org_: its not installed.. and if it is.. when you install the new package.. it will notify you and ask you to uninstall it
[09:09] <org_> WGGMk, ok i deleted & redownloaded
[09:09] <MasterShrek> org_, try this xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39742/
[09:09] <WGGMk> blekos: the -13 kernel was just intro'ed today.. i would recommend using the -12 kernel
[09:09] <org_> MasterShrek, you want me to try this xorg.conf?
[09:10] <MasterShrek> yes
[09:10] <org_> MasterShrek, can y ou put it in pastebin pls?
[09:10] <org_> ubuntu paste = it copy numbers
[09:10] <blekos> i c, do u thing is has to do with UUID?
[09:10] <MasterShrek> oh, aight one sec
[09:10] <WGGMk> org_: kill X and reinstall the nvidia drivers using the "sudo " command
[09:10] <blekos> the thing is i've changed everything (i think) of my uuid to /dev/sdax
[09:10] <MasterShrek> http://pastebin.com/m2325f744 org_
[09:11] <WGGMk> blekos: im not too familiar with /dev/sdax
[09:11] <org_> ok MasterShrek done, i got it in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf now
[09:11] <org_> MasterShrek, but it will change ;)
[09:11] <org_> WGGMk, sudo ./NVIDIA.....etc?
[09:11] <WGGMk> org_: no..
[09:12] <MasterShrek> blekos, that shouldnt have anything to do with it, unless you physically move the drives, or switch cables
[09:12] <MasterShrek> org_, that should work
[09:12] <WGGMk> org_: just kill x and "sudo sh NVIDIA-whater.pkg.sh"
[09:12] <MasterShrek> its a .run
[09:12] <org_> WGGMk, its .run
[09:12] <MasterShrek> you have to chmod it because its not executable when you download it
[09:12] <blekos> well, it has to do, I have a laptop and UUID has changed about 3 times, depending on the updates/upgrades of (k)ubuntu
[09:12] <WGGMk> org_: yea.. sorry lol its late here
[09:13] <org_> WGGMk, okay, so no chmod right?
[09:13] <WGGMk> org_: NO.. just use sudo (it gives you temporary admin/root rights)
[09:13] <MasterShrek> blekos, thats probably true, but i got rid of all the uuids in my fstab and im using just the device names, runs fine
[09:13] <WGGMk> org_: you want to install that .run package as 'root'
[09:13] <MasterShrek> WGGMk, the file isnt executable, no matter what user he is
[09:13] <org_> WGGMk, okay.. after that i do "reboot" or just "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" ??
[09:13] <MasterShrek> org_, you can just start gdm
[09:14] <blekos> http://wolfger.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/ubuntu-and-uuid/
[09:14] <WGGMk> org_: DONT reboot
[09:14] <org_> ok
[09:14] <org_> that what i did last time
[09:14] <MasterShrek> org_, that sholdnt matter
[09:14] <WGGMk> org_: you need to keep that nvidia module running..s o no reboot
[09:14] <MasterShrek> its installed, its not going anywhere
[09:14] <org_> it changed xorg.conf and the stupid window poped up saying "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode"
[09:14] <org_> then it changed my xorg.conf
[09:14] <MasterShrek> WGGMk, the module wont even be running until he starts x
[09:14] <org_> ok
[09:14] <org_> ill try it now
[09:14] <org_> brb
[09:15] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: i know.. but rebooting can screw it up.. he needs to tell the system to modprove nvidia
[09:15] <blekos> i've got rid off them as well but kernel .13 wont like it
[09:15] <blekos> i've even changed my resume
[09:15] <MasterShrek> if he didnt compile it as root before, thats his problem, im sure the nvidia drivers support this card
[09:15] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: thats what im saying.. you told him to CHMOD the pacakge.. he shouldnt have done that
[09:16] <MasterShrek> blekos, well i noticed that even ide drives come up as sd.. not hd.. anymore, which is very strange
[09:16] <MasterShrek> WGGMk, it needs to be chmod'ed because it wont be executable by anyone when he downloads it
[09:16] <MasterShrek> 644 or something
[09:16] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: no it doesnt
[09:16] <WGGMk> sudo sh NVIDIA will run the install like ./install.sh
[09:17] <org_> hey back, its me from console (Full terminal)
[09:17] <org_> when i ran "sudo sh NVIDIA....etc"
[09:17] <org_> it said "There is already a version of nvidia installed, (Version) Are you sure you want to continue?"
[09:17] <MasterShrek> yes continue org_
[09:17] <org_> It might overwirite, so i came to ask.
[09:17] <WGGMk> org_: and?>
[09:17] <org_> ok but I just thought since i already got it installed, that won't fix the problem
[09:18] <org_> i'll get this window pop that ubuntu is running in low graphic
[09:18] <org_> and it'll change my xorg again
[09:18] <org_> wait, i'll give it a try then start gdm
[09:18] <org_> and come from xchat
[09:18] <org_> brb
[09:18] <blekos> ok, i do a dist upgrade and i have a package held-back, why is that?
[09:18] <WGGMk> org_: run from terminal "sudo lsmod" and post pastebin
[09:19] <WGGMk> blekos: it probably depends on something you dont have
[09:19] <FossZombie> blekos, what package is it
[09:19] <blekos> linux-restricted-modules-generic
[09:19] <blekos> !!!
[09:19] <pax> blekos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=568361
[09:21] <WGGMk> org_: run from terminal "sudo lsmod" and post pastebin
[09:21] <org_> ok
[09:21] <org_> http://pastebin.com/m53d418be
[09:21] <org_> let me know if that means my driver is installed or not ok
[09:22] <MasterShrek> its not org_
[09:22] <blekos> pax, that explains a lot
[09:22] <MasterShrek> org_, run this in a terminal: locate nvidia.ko
[09:22] <WGGMk> MasterShrek: why the hell isnt it loading his nvidia module
[09:23] <org_> MasterShrek, but funny thin is. the xorg.conf didn't change this time
[09:23] <MasterShrek> ?
[09:23] <org_> MasterShrek, + I didn't get this weird resulotion :)
[09:23] <blekos> but one thing is that i do not get... is it necessary for a kernel to function to have the linux-restricted-modules-generic installed?
[09:23] <org_> MasterShrek, and the window that says ubuntu is running in low graphic, didnt shows.
[09:23] <NTAuthority> blekos: nope, it only has some drivers
[09:23] <MasterShrek> org_, thats good news
[09:23] <WGGMk> org_: do you have an ssh account by chance?
[09:23] <NTAuthority> blekos: which you probably need with specific hardware
[09:23] <org_> yea but i still can't play games + I still feel that colors can be better
[09:23] <Linux_Galore> hmm Kubuntu seems to not have a simple UI tool to setup scanners, Im manually editing my sane settings
[09:24] <org_> WGGMk, I can make one
[09:24] <MasterShrek> org_, see if these two commands give you any output: lsmod | grep nvidia
[09:24] <WGGMk> org_: please do.. id like to poke around
[09:24] <MasterShrek> and this: locate nvidia.ko
[09:24] <NTAuthority> Linux_Galore: kcontrol has an scanner config, didn't it? (no, not the normal kubuntu config panel :( )
[09:24] <WGGMk> org_: yea try those..
[09:24] <org_> MasterShrek, none of them both gave any results.
[09:24] <blekos> but then, i shouldnt get the message of not finding a suitable resume image
[09:24] <MasterShrek> org_, that means you dont have your nvidia driver correctly installed
[09:25] <Linux_Galore> NTAuthority: not good, a newbie would look in the setting window first
[09:25] <MasterShrek> org_, did you get any errors during the install?
[09:25] <org_> MasterShrek, nop, not any error
[09:25] <NTAuthority> Linux_Galore: the kubuntu settings panel does not have many important settings which the normal kcontrol does have :(
[09:25] <MasterShrek> org_, whats the filename of the nvidia driver you are using?
[09:25] <org_> MasterShrek, it downloaded the kernel module and stuff, then ftp to website & downloading things.. after that it asked me to ganarate an xorg.conf and i said no, because you gave me one.
[09:26] <org_> MasterShrek, then thats it, I started gdm and it logged to X really cool for the first time no errors.
[09:26] <org_> but thing is. i still can't play games or The colors arent good enough.. not like back when i was in feisty u know
[09:26] <MasterShrek> org_, you are going to have to do the install again, dont download one from the internet and make it compile the module itself
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> NTAuthority: Im also finding many of the settings tools dont interact with services properly forcing the user to go back and do the bloody obvious and start it
[09:26] <org_> MasterShrek, I made it compile the module by itself.. i didnt touch it the last time
[09:27] <MasterShrek> ok, didnt u just say it ftp'd the website and downloaded stuff?
[09:27] <WGGMk> org_: run this sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:27] <MasterShrek> WGGMk, i was just about to suggest that
[09:27] <MasterShrek> =P
[09:27] <WGGMk> great minds think alike
[09:27] <org_> i done that
[09:27] <org_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[09:27] <MasterShrek> guess so
[09:27] <MasterShrek> hmm
[09:28] <org_> i done that long ago... i readed up some pages in google about these problems
[09:28] <MasterShrek> org_, whats the filename of that nvidia driver you are installing?
[09:28] <Linux_Galore> Im finding it very hard to actually use Kubuntu without swapping back to my geek habbit of using a terminal, sigh
[09:28] <WGGMk> org_: the FULL file name
[09:28] <org_> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run
[09:28] <org_> that?
[09:28] <WGGMk> org_: what proc you have?
[09:28] <MasterShrek> ok org_ just making sure
[09:28] <org_> proc?
[09:28] <WGGMk> org_ x86 or amd64?
[09:28] <org_> x86 i have
[09:28] <WGGMk> org_: k
[09:29] <hype_> Hmm, still no linux-resticted-modules today?!
[09:29] <org_> hype_, no..
[09:29] <MasterShrek> Linux_Galore, that little menu button, to the right of the spacebar, i got it mapped to konsole =P
[09:29] <sylpheedClaws> I'm having an issue with the installer crashing at 86% (and I suspect I'm not the only one)
[09:29] <sylpheedClaws> has this been fixed?
[09:29] <MasterShrek> what gives you that idea sylpheedClaws
[09:29] <sylpheedClaws> I heard someone mention it on Digg
[09:29] <org_> sylpheedClaws, you are the only!
[09:30] <MasterShrek> ic
[09:30] <NTAuthority> (one thing which i find weird, the gutsy beta desktop cd does not start the gnome settings daemon on an old 845 onboard graphics system, but DOES have compiz, or something that looks like it :|)
[09:30] <sylpheedClaws> it freezes when it tries to download the language packs
[09:30] <WGGMk> MasterShreak: uname -r which nvidia drivers? ubuntu or nvidia site?
[09:30] <sylpheedClaws> I can abort it, but the install stops completely at 86%
[09:30] <MasterShrek> sylpheedClaws, take it offline and then try installing, do upgrades after reboot
[09:30] <org_> WGGMk, i created acc. for you.. did you see the pass? I sent you a notice
[09:31] <org_> but appartnly i can't send privates. because i'm not registered
[09:31] <org_> sec.
[09:31] <sylpheedClaws> I'll try that, thanks
[09:31] <sylpheedClaws> and by the way, there's been a bug filed about it on Launchpad
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> MasterShrek: I use yakuake mapped to F12
[09:31] <sylpheedClaws> 9 hours ago
[09:31] <sylpheedClaws> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/149629
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149629 in ubuntu "Installation stops while languagepacks are downloaded" [Undecided,New] 
[09:31] <MasterShrek> !info yakuake
[09:31] <WGGMk> org_: no i didnt... you have AIM?
[09:31] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 167 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> MasterShrek: nicest term on Kubuntu
[09:32] <MasterShrek> whys that?
[09:32] <org_> WGGMk, i have msn
[09:32] <WGGMk> org_: snd me the IP
[09:32] <Linux_Galore> MasterShrek: well it runs in the background but when you hit f12 a terminal slides down from the top of the screen
[09:32] <MasterShrek> ill take a look for you too if u want org_
[09:32] <MasterShrek> Linux_Galore, ill take a look...
[09:32] <Sontaxh> Is this the channel for the beta ?
[09:32] <org_> WGGMk, you got the user & pass?
[09:33] <Sontaxh> i got an driver problem
[09:33] <Sh4wn> Hi
[09:33] <org_> MasterShrek, thanks.
[09:33] <Sontaxh> i just updated my kernel (i have an 7300go) and it wont boot at my normal resolution 1280x800
[09:34] <sylpheedClaws> !info 915resolution
[09:34] <Blackgoth> recompile the nvidia driver module Sontaxh
[09:34] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[09:34] <Linux_Galore> MasterShrek: when I was showing Linux of at Cebit everyone loved Yakuake when I used it, its one of those apps you would have expected apple to have designed
[09:34] <Sh4wn> After today's upgrades, I can't boot anymore, while booting, it says it can't detect my Graphics card and Screen properly, and asks if I want to run in Low Graphics Mode. But Then It blinks 3 times, and shows the dialog again.
[09:35] <vmlinuz`> MasterShrek, I have load "glx" in my xorg.conf right? but why the games give me this error. err:wgl:X11DRV_wglGetProcAddress No libGL on this box - disabling OpenGL support
[09:35] <Sh4wn> so I press the shutdown button, and then I get the text mode only root shell.
[09:35] <Linux_Galore> Sh4wn: graphics card ?
[09:35] <Sh4wn> Linux_Galore yes
[09:35] <Sh4wn> oh
[09:35] <Linux_Galore> Sh4wn: whats is it
[09:35] <Sh4wn> nvidia 8600GT
[09:35] <WGGMk> org_: i got the user name and password but i need your IP address to connect
[09:35] <Sh4wn> and yes
[09:35] <MasterShrek> Linux_Galore, thats cool!
[09:35] <WGGMk> org_: and if your behind a router.. you need to forward port 22
[09:35] <Sh4wn> I've got the drivers
[09:36] <alecwh> Hello! I have the beta, and I'm connected to my network. I can download packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access any websites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers working fine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping the website I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, it DOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help?
[09:36] <vmlinuz`> Sh4wn, same as me.
[09:36] <MasterShrek> vmlinuz`, yea your behind a router
[09:36] <vmlinuz`> Sh4wn, thats my problem today... whole day. It's from the kernel
[09:36] <vmlinuz`> MasterShrek, yeah
[09:36] <Sh4wn> yeah think so too
[09:36] <vmlinuz`> WGGMk, ok wait
[09:36] <vmlinuz`> WGGMk, this is my nick now, use it so i hilight lol wait
[09:36] <Linux_Galore> Sh4wn: ok just change the nvidia driver on /etc/x11/xorg.conf  to "nv" and it will work then you can fix it in a gui
[09:36] <Sh4wn> ok I'll try
[09:37] <vmlinuz`> MasterShrek & WGGMk .. try now
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> Sh4wn:   vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf   hit i to edit the file, go down to the driver section, change nvidia to "nv"  then press   esc  then type :wq
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> Sh4wn: now type startx
[09:38] <WGGMk> vmlinuz: i dont have your IP address
[09:40] <Sh4wn> Linux_Galore ok thanks
[09:40] <PumpkinPositive> Does anyone know what version of ntfs-3g is going to ship with 7.10?
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> Sh4wn: that will use the built in free nvidia driver
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> PumpkinPositive: well its installed as I type this and i didnt ask for it lol
[09:41] <alecwh> Hello! I have the beta, and I'm connected to my network. I can download packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access any websites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers working fine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping the website I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, it DOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help?+
[09:42] <Lilacor> PumpkinPositive: why? does the next version of ntfs-3g have some bugfix you need?
[09:42] <Linux_Galore> hmm no scanner tool in Kcontrol
[09:43] <Lilacor> alecwh: do your connections timeout when trying to access websites?
[09:43] <PumpkinPositive> I'm on 7.04 at the moment, and the version is 1.328 - I've been having high CPU usage issues when dealing with large files...  Something the FAQ on the ntfs-3g website is sorted out with a later version of ntfs-3g.
[09:43] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: beta of Kubuntu or Ubuntu ?
[09:43] <alecwh> Lilacor: Yes. Linux_Galore: ubuntu
[09:43] <Lilacor> PumpkinPositive: I see.
[09:43] <alecwh> Lilacor: Actually, it's like it 'half loads" and that's it.
[09:44] <schreder> are libghc6* packages outdated?
[09:44] <Lilacor> alecwh: wireless or wired?
[09:44] <alecwh> Lilacor: I've tried epiphany too. wired.
[09:44] <schreder> I get dependency errors saying that they require ghc < 6.6 and I got 6.6.1
[09:44] <Matir> PumpkinPositive, gutsy currently has 1.710
[09:45] <Lilacor> alecwh: using NAT I'm assuming....
[09:45] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: well in Kubuntu I had the same problem I just went into the network tool and disabled then enabled the network connection that fixed it, then I went into the settings in the same section and made sure "automatically connect" was turned on
[09:45] <PumpkinPositive> Great, thanks Matir
[09:45] <Matir> PumpkinPositive, np
[09:45] <Lilacor> alecwh: do you have more than one connection active?
[09:45] <alecwh> Lilacor: I'm not sure what NAT is. But I have a DSL modem. Linux_Galore: Ok. I'm actually switching ethernet cables between this computer and my laptop...
[09:46] <alecwh> Lilacor: No, my wireless card isn't working yet.
[09:46] <alecwh> And I can access the internet, it's just seems like domains get messed up
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: thats because I suspect the user is locked out
[09:47] <Lilacor> alecwh: what if you shut off the other computers that are working and try on this box, does it work?
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: bet if you do sudo nslookup www.google.com   it works
[09:47] <alecwh> Lilacor: I only have one computer connected, this one. I'm switching the ethernet cble betweein the too.
[09:48] <Sontaxh> Linux_Galore please answer my pm
[09:48] <alecwh> Lilacor, and Linux_Galore, I'm going to try that. I'll join back in a few minutes. Thanks. :)
[09:48] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: I dont do PM
[09:48] <Sontaxh> i have the same problem as sh4wn
[09:48] <Sontaxh> im in that file now
[09:48] <Sontaxh> But what do i need to change ?
[09:49] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: ok  the driver line change ti from "nvidia" to "nv"
[09:49] <Linux_Galore> it*
[09:49] <Sontaxh> There is a line Driver    "nvidia"
[09:49] <Sontaxh> Change that 1 ?
[09:49] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: look for Driver      "nvidia"  and change it to  Driver          "nv"
[09:50] <org_> back
[09:50] <org_> MasterShrek, I'm back from -12-generic
[09:50] <MasterShrek> ok org_ did you try to install the driver?
[09:50] <org_> nop
[09:51] <org_> do I allow it to create xorg.conf for me?
[09:51] <wers> I just upgraded to the latest kernel and on that kernel, my Ralink RT2500 does not work. any ideas on how to make this work?
[09:51] <WGGMk> yes
[09:51] <org_> WGGMk, you here man
[09:51] <MasterShrek> org_, you dont have to, your xorg should be set up already
[09:51] <Sontaxh> How do i save it than ?
[09:51] <org_> MasterShrek, setup? I thought you said its back to "nv"
[09:51] <WGGMk> org_: yea.. allow it to up
[09:51] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh:   you in vim ?
[09:51] <Sontaxh> ya
[09:52] <Sontaxh> i changed the line
[09:52] <hype_> woot, restricted modules seem there :)
[09:52] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh:  press the esc  key then type  :wq
[09:52] <Sontaxh> nothing happens ?
[09:52] <MasterShrek> org_, it is using nv
[09:52] <org_> I'm worried about something tho when i got back to -12-generic
[09:52] <MasterShrek> whats that org_ ?
[09:52] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: then you didnt press the right keys.  press esc  then type   :  w  q
[09:53] <org_> before i u sed to have Kubuntu splash screen on startup. then i deleted it completly from my PC & Removed it from options, and my splash now is another pic. when i changed kernel option to -12 as you told me, the kubuntu splash appears again, hows that and its not even in the computer?
[09:53] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: bet to you didnt type  sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:53] <compwiz18> is anyone else having issues with the gnome system monitor applet?  for me, it randomly freezes, and the wifi connection dies with it (or vice versa).  Any suggestions?
[09:53] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: the file is a system file so you need to use the sudo admin switch
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: type esc  :q!
[09:54] <Sontaxh> o oke
[09:54] <Sontaxh> o for get that
[09:54] <org_> dont let a newbie use vim :P
[09:54] <org_> let him use nano!!
[09:54] <MasterShrek> heh
[09:54] <Blackgoth> dont let a newbie use a beta release. ever.
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> lol, I wouldnt know how to use nano
[09:54] <org_> MasterShrek, ill go to console, kill X
[09:55] <org_> and "sh NVIDIA file"
[09:55] <org_> then come back?
[09:55] <MasterShrek> ok org_
[09:55] <org_> brb
[09:55] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: same as before but use sudo  vim /etc....
[09:55] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: just copy paste this: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:56] <Linux_Galore> Blackgoth: eeer he is in a terminal ?
[09:56] <Sontaxh> Than the xorg file is empty ?
[09:56] <Blackgoth> yes in a terminal
[09:56] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: the xorg file is empty?
[09:56] <Sontaxh> met sudo ja
[09:57] <Blackgoth> please use english in this channel.
[09:57] <Linux_Galore> Blackgoth:  so he is in a terminal with no mouse and X isnt running and you want him to cut and past
[09:57] <Linux_Galore> heh
[09:57] <alecw1> Hello! I just recently joined, and I restarted my PC. Linux_Galore, that command you gave me worked!
[09:57] <org_> MasterShrek: it gives error now
[09:57] <org_> im in console atm with irssi
[09:57] <Blackgoth> Linux_Galore: copy paste, type after me, who cares. #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[09:57] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: But it only works for google, I still have problems with every other site. I tried restarting the connection and the modem, no success.
[09:57] <MasterShrek> good news org_ thats progress =D
[09:57] <WGGMk> org_: dont do anything right now ok
[09:57] <org_> MasterShrek: lets join both a screen so u can see what i see. i remember thats possible somehow
[09:57] <Sontaxh> Ok im in sudo vim now
[09:58] <org_> WGGMk: why
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: yeah, but now you dont have 3D
[09:58] <alecw1> 3D?
[09:58] <hype_> org_ , screen -x
[09:58] <org_> hype_: yea thanks
[09:58] <WGGMk> im gonna take a look
[09:58] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: do you have the xorg file opened?
[09:58] <org_> MasterShrek: do screen -x
[09:58] <hype_> :)
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: now press i
[09:58] <Sontaxh> Ya
[09:58] <MasterShrek> org_, you need your kernel sources
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: go to the same line and change it to nv
[09:58] <hype_> restricted-module are here :D
[09:58] <MasterShrek> org_, for -12 i guess
[09:58] <hype_> woot !
[09:58] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: 3D?
[09:58] <org_> MasterShrek: k
[09:58] <Sontaxh> got that
[09:58] <WGGMk> org_: yea.. let MasterShrek do it.. my internet is acting up
[09:59] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: no games but everything else will work fine ie video web pages etc
[09:59] <WGGMk> gnite all..
[09:59] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: okay, are you in insert mode?
[09:59] <alecw1> Linux_Galore, I stil have the problem then. :(
[09:59] <org_> MasterShrek: can u join a screen with me and show me how,, ill do sudo for u.. im rly tired all night in this same story
[09:59] <org_> WGGMk: gnite
[09:59] <Sontaxh> ya i just typed nv in the driver line
[09:59] <alecw1> I'm going to ask again.
[09:59] <Blackgoth> ok
[09:59] <WGGMk> *is now dreaming of linux-restricted-manager for 2.6.22-13*
[09:59] <Blackgoth> press esc
[09:59] <MasterShrek> org_, im not sure how to do that
[09:59] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: yes I just gave you a hack around so you can use the GUI to fix the problems
[09:59] <Blackgoth> then press :w
[09:59] <hype_> org_ , issue with nvidia driivers?
[10:00] <Blackgoth> and :q
[10:00] <org_> hype_: yes
[10:00] <hype_> just re-updates, linux-restricted-modules are NOW available
[10:00] <Linux_Galore> actually just type   esc  :wq
[10:00] <org_> really?\
[10:00] <org_> hype_: since when
[10:00] <hype_> yeah
[10:00] <org_> i checked 3mins ago
[10:00] <WGGMk> hype_: your shitting me
[10:00] <alecw1> Hello! I have the beta of Gusy Gibbn, and I'm connected to my network. I candownload packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access anywebsites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers workingfine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping thewebsite I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, itDOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help? Also, my sound isn't working... I've got no 
[10:00] <hype_> they just werent available the last couple of hours
[10:00] <hype_> i'm installing it atm
[10:00] <Sontaxh> so i need to typ
[10:00] <org_> hm
[10:00] <Sontaxh> esc :wq
[10:00] <Sontaxh> ?
[10:00] <hype_> WGGMk :)
[10:00] <org_> hype_: you sure? cuz im in Terminal right now
[10:00] <WGGMk> hype_: for 2.6.22-13?
[10:01] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh:  type [esc]     :  w  q
[10:01] <org_> dont let me go to X and then its not available
[10:01] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: then hit enter
[10:01] <hype_> i tested  1 hpurs ago, trying since yesterday: download started :)
[10:01] <MasterShrek> org_, you can install from terminal
[10:01] <hype_> WGGMk , yeah ;)
[10:01] <MasterShrek> maybe...
[10:01] <org_> MasterShrek: how
[10:01] <WGGMk> brb.. gonna try and grab them
[10:01] <hype_> it was just temporary to break our X so to test bulletproff X
[10:01] <MasterShrek> actually i dont know org_ with the restricted driver, how its installed, through apt?
[10:01] <Sontaxh> k rebooting now
[10:01] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: just type startx
[10:01] <org_> MasterShrek: ill go to X
[10:01] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: dont have to reboot
[10:01] <org_> since i'm not doing anything from here
[10:02] <MasterShrek> org_, you should boot back into -13 first
[10:02] <org_> MasterShrek: Okay
[10:02] <org_> i'll boot
[10:02] <org_> brb
[10:03] <Linux_Galore> heh @ all the newbies now using Gutsy
[10:03] <Sontaxh> i still cant get my resolution higher than 1024x768
[10:04] <MasterShrek> Sontaxh, nvidia?
[10:04] <Linux_Galore> Sontaxh: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  you can set your optional resolution settings
[10:04] <org_> hype_, lier
[10:04] <hype_> Paramtrage de linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic (2.6.22.4-13.6) ...
[10:04] <hype_> org_
[10:04] <majnoon> ok one thing i was wondering ,is the reason dpkg and etc. take so long it does ldconfig a lot ??
[10:05] <hype_> thats ht output of my update manager at this moment
[10:05] <MasterShrek> majnoon, usually at the end it does ldconfig
[10:05] <WGGMk> hype_: from synaptic "linux-restricted-modules-generic:
[10:05] <WGGMk>  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable
[10:05] <WGGMk> "
[10:05] <hype_> WGGMk , what server do you use?
[10:05] <org_> from version 2.6.22.12.17 to 2.6.22.13.18 (Size 24KB) Not available.
[10:05] <majnoon> i'm doing the upgrade now
[10:05] <org_> and thats my update manager
[10:05] <WGGMk> hype_: for repo's?
[10:05] <org_> and its Grey
[10:05] <org_> i can't click on it
[10:06] <hype_> i use main server, i downloaded it? (want a screenshot? no i dont see any interest in lying; im wait for this too since yesterday)
[10:06] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: are you in x now?
[10:06] <hype_> WGGMk , well, yeah
[10:06] <MasterShrek> org_, you probably need to use different mirrors or wait a little bit
[10:06] <alecw1> Hello! I have the beta of Gusy Gibbn, and I'm connected to my network. I candownload packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access anywebsites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers workingfine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping thewebsite I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, itDOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help? Also, my sound isn't working... I've got no 
[10:06] <org_> MasterShrek, ok
[10:06] <org_> hype_, pease man, give me ur mirror
[10:06] <WGGMk> hype_: the default install source list
[10:06] <org_> hype_, and how to change it
[10:06] <Sontaxh> ya
[10:06] <hype_> org_ , you must NOT use mirror but main serv
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: so the sudo nslookup www etc command worked ?
[10:07] <Blackgoth> ctrl + alt + backspace, have fun :)
[10:07] <hype_> all mirrosre delayed, or just wait a bit ;)
[10:07] <org_> hype_, why tho
[10:07] <org_> hype_, i want to use yours man
[10:07] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: Yes.
[10:07] <Blackgoth> Linux_Galore: see, still in Xorg.
[10:07] <hype_> org_ , i use defaul us one
[10:07] <org_> hype_, then why its available for you. but not availble for me
[10:07] <hype_> i need to reboot, kernel updates an stuff
[10:07] <org_> sigh
[10:07] <hype_> did you update/upgrade?
[10:07] <org_> Me? yea
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: that tells me your machine resolves fine your user account isnt connecting thats all
[10:08] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: How do I fix this?
[10:08] <hype_> org_ , if i use my french server, these updates are not yet avi; i have to select oriinal one (just use synpatic for that)
[10:08] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: The account I'm using is the one I created during setup.
[10:08] <org_> yay
[10:08] <org_> works for me now
[10:08] <hype_> ok
[10:08] <hype_> :=)
[10:08] <org_> including new nvidia-new-kernel
[10:08] <hype_> brb
[10:08] <org_> :)
[10:08] <hype_> so, i'm liar?
[10:08] <org_> hype_, No
[10:08] <hype_> who said that btw?
[10:08] <hype_> :] 
[10:08] <hype_> bye
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: you need to enable disable the connection in your users network manager then in the settings section make sure auto connect check box is marked then save it
[10:09] <org_> about time ubuntu!
[10:09] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: Ok. What do you mean in the "user's network manager", and in the "settings section"?
[10:09] <WGGMk> what the hell happend?
[10:09] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: there should be a network applet in your taskbar
[10:09] <org_> WGGMk, I'm installing new nvidia drivers & new kernel
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: both gnome and kde have one
[10:10] <WGGMk> org_: which new one?
[10:10] <alecw1> ok Linux_Galore
[10:10] <Sontaxh> argh it's still not working
[10:10] <org_> 2.6.22.13.18
[10:10] <Sontaxh> is it possable to get back to stable version ?
[10:10] <alecw1>  Linux_Galore: enable/disable?
[10:10] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: did you restart x?
[10:10] <alecw1> It's enabled right now, Linux_Galore.
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: disable it
[10:10] <org_> Sontaxh, haha, I thought about that... but couldnt.
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: then enable it
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: open a browser and bet it works
[10:11] <alecw1> ok, now what? Linux_Galore
[10:11] <alecw1> ok, i have to test.
[10:11] <alecw1> one sec.
[10:11] <org_> Sontaxh, did you download the new linux-restricted-modules-generic from the Update manager??? have you checked your updates yet.
[10:11] <alecw1> wait, Linux_Galore, you said something about checking something?
[10:11] <Sontaxh> i cant get wireless working on it
[10:11] <Blackgoth> why would anyone even use the nvidia restricted drivers, just download them from the nvidia site.
[10:12] <Sontaxh> I dont care about installing again or losing files i just wanna go back to stable
[10:12] <WGGMk> oh sweet jesus.. they are available
[10:12] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: again, did you restart X
[10:12] <org_> WGGMk, yes they are
[10:12] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: well the reason why you can resolve as root (sudo) with nslookup is because your system is working fine, the proble, is when the user desktop starts the auto connect isnt turned on so by default the user doesnt have net access
[10:12] <MasterShrek> Sontaxh, what kind of wireless card do you have?
[10:12] <org_> hype_, tell me, is video card working good?
[10:12] <Sontaxh> How ? i just rebooted laptop
[10:12] <WGGMk> org_: yea i just ran update manager again
[10:12] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: problem*
[10:12] <hype_> well, i'm a liar, watch out !
[10:12] <hype_> it works
[10:13] <alecw1> linux_galore: how do I enable the auto connect for my user?
[10:13] <Sontaxh> Intel abg
[10:13] <org_> hype_, good :)
[10:13] <alecw1> and Linux_Galore, I CAN access the internet by the IP address...
[10:13] <MasterShrek> Sontaxh, you probably just need firmware for that, probably very easy
[10:13] <hype_> alecw1 , systeme > admin > login window
[10:13] <org_> hype_, games runs ok.. or does it still say "You dont have libgl"
[10:13] <Blackgoth> Sontaxh: okay, to make this simple, just download the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website, works faster.
[10:13] <WGGMk> hype_: i think it was just poor timing.. my ISP might night have updated.. could have cache'd my results..
[10:13] <hype_> org_ , i use a real graphic card, never had that problem (Nvidia 7600T)
[10:13] <MasterShrek> alecw1, sounds like a dns issue, but i could be wrong, im not a networker :)
[10:13] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: not sure about gnome desktop but I usually left click on the network applet tool then Manual Config then
[10:14] <hype_> yeah, always treat people liars before checking
[10:14] <hype_> ood idea ;)
[10:14] <Blackgoth> now im off, need to wreck out a bathtub
[10:14] <org_> hype_, I use real graphic card too.. Nvida 7500 GS
[10:14] <Linux_Galore> MasterShrek: sudo nslookup www.google.com works
[10:14] <alecw1> hype_:  why did I go there?
[10:14] <org_> hype_, but i got that problem cause of the restricted modules before..
[10:14] <org_> alecw1, you go there to enable auto-user connect? lol
[10:14] <hype_> well it works here on a 7600GT
[10:14] <alecw1> org_: I don't see an option.
[10:14] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: I'm there, now what?
[10:14] <hype_> if your card is supposed o be supported, it works man
[10:14] <Sontaxh> everything except the resolution is working on 22 kernel
[10:15] <org_> alecw1, underneath "Security" TAB
[10:15] <org_> alecw1, maybe you just don't look around
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: well when I click on the working Eth connection a Configure Interface  option is enabled,  its in that section
[10:16] <alecw1> org_: I see "automatic login" :P
[10:16] <org_> ok
[10:16] <org_> brb
[10:16] <org_> rebooting
[10:16] <nemik> did 2.6.22.13 break other people's wifi too?
[10:16] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: Ok, but remember this is an ethernet conn
[10:17] <Sontaxh> nemik ya here
[10:17] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: I don't see "auto-connect" in that menu. I see: "Enable roaming mode", and then connection settings (IP address, subnet mask, gateway address, and static/DHCP.
[10:17] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: as I said your machines network is working fine its just your users network ability doesnt automatically enable
[10:18] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: might be roaming mode, not so sure about the gnome layout
[10:18] <alecw1> linux_galore: It's checked.
[10:18] <alecw1> and has been
[10:18] <nemik> Sontaxh: is the cause known? or expected fix?
[10:18] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: check it and uncheck it that will force the machine to resave the settings
[10:19] <pvandewyngaerde> new kernel
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> alecw1: sorry unchech and check it oops
[10:19] <alecw1> Linux_Galore: I have to try it with my modem, i'll come back in a sec
[10:19] <org_> Back!
[10:19] <org_> MasterShrek, I think its working... hmm can i post lsmod for you
[10:20] <org_> MasterShrek, check, http://pastebin.com/m77c2425c
[10:20] <Sontaxh> i dont know im running older kernel now now i my resolution broken i cant get any higher than 1024x769
[10:21] <org_> Sontaxh, try "Manager update" please
[10:21] <org_> i highly recommend it. it'll fix everything
[10:23] <Sontaxh> k it is downloading now
[10:23] <bazhang> thanks for the help everyone!
[10:25] <MasterShrek> org_, yep
[10:25] <MasterShrek> org_, lsmod | grep nvidia
[10:25] <org_> nvidia               6221648  44
[10:25] <org_> i2c_core               26112  1 nvidia
[10:25] <org_> agpgart                35016  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[10:26] <MasterShrek> that would be it
[10:26] <org_> yay
[10:26] <Sh4wn> Woot, I've got my system booting again, thanks Linux_Galore
[10:27] <bazhang> yes!
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> :-)
[10:27] <Sh4wn> Let's wait for the restricted modules, and then my nice visual effects are back xD
[10:28] <Amaranth> Sh4wn: that'll be monday
[10:28] <Amaranth> Sh4wn: boot the -12 kernel
[10:28] <Sh4wn> Well, I can live 2 days without visual effects
[10:28] <hype_> Sh4wn , they are here ! :p
[10:29] <hype_> just update from main server :D
[10:29] <Amaranth> I dunno if I could go 2 days with the sadness that is the nv driver
[10:29] <Sh4wn> hype_ oh, let's try then :P
[10:29] <alecwh> Hello, Linux_Galore! I did what you said, to no avail. :(
[10:29] <alecwh> Linux_Galore:  Same problem.
[10:29] <hype_> Amaranth , direct rnzedering: Yes; uname -r
[10:29] <hype_> 2.6.22-13-generic
[10:29] <Amaranth> oh, someone must have decided to work a saturday
[10:29] <hype_> :D
[10:29] <hype_> hh
[10:29] <hype_> seems like it :)
[10:30] <Amaranth> hype_: I've had that for hours :P
[10:30] <Amaranth> (i built the package myself)
[10:30] <hype_> hh :>
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: does the browser work when you run it with root ie  sudo firefox
[10:30] <hype_> you're pro man :)
[10:30] <alecwh> Linux_Galore:  I'll have to check. :P
[10:30] <alecwh> Linux_Galore: brb
[10:30] <hype_> Linux_Galore , not asdvised, at all
[10:30] <hype_> it works, but DONT do it
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> no but Im testing for a permissions bug
[10:30] <alecwh> hype_:  why not? WE're just debugging.
[10:30] <alecwh> brb
[10:30] <hype_> ok sorry :)
[10:31] <pvandewyngaerde> can i change my keyboard in  grub to dvorak ??
[10:31] <pvandewyngaerde> nvm, found it http://www.dakotacom.net/~donut/programs/grubdvorak/grub-dvorak.lst
[10:32] <Amaranth> alecwh: Don't go to any website except google.com
[10:32] <Amaranth> alecwh: While running as root
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> now click on  www.root-my-system.com.ru  heh
[10:34] <masterloki> hey
[10:34] <hetauma> is there any way I can check the changelock from the packages that are beeing updated?
[10:34] <hetauma> changelog*
[10:34] <masterloki> is anyone else having trouble logging in?
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> its funny kubuntu has this weird bug were the user network connection now and again gets stuffed on updates but you can still get root access to the web
[10:34] <bazhang> yes
[10:34] <masterloki> bazhang, to which?
[10:34] <bazhang> took me about five times.
[10:34] <bazhang> freenode
[10:34] <masterloki> had dmrc error here - changed a bunch of stuff
[10:34] <masterloki> finally realized that i had to stop compiz from running or something dunno
[10:35] <masterloki> was a wierd thing... something about setuid
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> my problem is I dont know how to fix this on the gnome desktop but do in kde
[10:35] <bazhang> wow
[10:35] <masterloki> bazhang, yeah that happens now and then - their round robin is constantly under dns attack
[10:35] <bazhang> stay with kde (ducks..)
[10:35] <masterloki> Linux_Galore, whats your problem
[10:35] <bazhang> I bet
[10:35] <bazhang> free just bothers some people...
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> masterloki: I dont have any
[10:35] <masterloki> <<-- databuddy on roomates compy
[10:35] <masterloki> with gnome?
[10:36] <masterloki> [01:35]  <Linux_Galore> my problem is I dont know how to fix this on the gnome desktop but do in kde
[10:36] <masterloki> [01:35]  <bazhang> wow
[10:36] <masterloki> i know i know short memory ~_^
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> masterloki: I dont use Gnome thats my problem heh, ie helping a user with a gnome specific bug thats also seems to happen in kde
[10:36] <bazhang> not my computer--irc
[10:36] <alecwh> Hey Linux_Galore, same problem, no better.
[10:36] <Sh4wn> hype_ got them :P Thanks, now I got my visual effects back, and a full working computer xD
[10:36] <masterloki> alecwh, what problem ?!!!!?!?!?!!!?!?!??????!!!
[10:37] <hype_> Sh4wn :] 
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: so using the browser as root doesnt resolve ?
[10:37] <hype_> seems good indeed
[10:37] <alecwh> Linux_Galore: no.
[10:37] <masterloki> OMG SH4WN WAT PROBLEM~
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: yep dns issue
[10:37] <masterloki> hehe
[10:37] <alecwh> but that ns http://google.com ting worked.
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> alecwh: are you sure nslookup  worked
[10:38] <Sh4wn> masterloki this morning I couldn't boot because of restricted modules nit being updated, and then it wouldn't recognize my graphics card and screen
[10:38] <alecwh> Linux_Galore: I can check again, on a site I know is not working.
[10:38] <masterloki> nice
[10:38] <alecwh> one second.
[10:38] <masterloki> nothing like that good ol vesa driver
[10:38] <masterloki> :>
[10:38] <Sh4wn> xD
[10:38] <Sh4wn> visual effects ftw
[10:39] <masterloki> my compy worx ftw
[10:39] <Sh4wn> xD
[10:39] <masterloki> lemme see here....
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> gawd I hate the visa driver, I got stuck with it one time for two weeks due to a driver bug
[10:39] <masterloki> gnome-panel &
[10:39] <masterloki> nautilus &
[10:39] <masterloki> exec icewm
[10:39] <masterloki> that right there is VERY useable Sh4wn
[10:39] <masterloki> all the normal gnome stuff and icewm is very fast...
[10:39] <Paddy_EIRE> could anyone tell me how stable compiz-fusion is.. is it to the point where it doesnt crash at the sight of a flash video
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> bloody sis video chipset
[10:39] <masterloki> its great on top a server install..
[10:40] <Sh4wn> Well, with my computer the visual effects are very fast too :P
[10:40] <masterloki> Linux_Galore, nvidia 7300gs 512MB for the win
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> Paddy_EIRE: it isnt stable
[10:40] <masterloki> [on my roomates i.e. the one im typing on] 
[10:40] <Amaranth> Paddy_EIRE: never heard of that one
[10:40] <Paddy_EIRE> Amaranth, ;)
[10:40] <Amaranth> Paddy_EIRE: intel 965?
[10:40] <masterloki> mine is just that gma 3000 - quite useable
[10:40] <Paddy_EIRE> Amaranth, ati
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> masterloki: sis 1mb ram running compiz lol
[10:40] <Amaranth> masterloki: yours is blacklisted, it shouldn't even run
[10:40] <Sh4wn> Guys, I'm leaving, thanks for the help again :)
[10:40] <Sh4wn> And see ya when I see ya
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> masterloki: refresh rate of  1fph
[10:41] <Amaranth> masterloki: Did you make it override the checks?
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> heh
[10:42] <Amaranth> masterloki: This is very important, please answer.
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> bbl
[10:43] <Amaranth> nekostar? didn't we ban you? :P
[10:43] <[neko] onMasterlo> Amaranth, no
[10:43] <[neko] onMasterlo> well rather
[10:43] <[neko] onMasterlo> yes
[10:43] <[neko] onMasterlo> but im not banned any more
[10:43] <[neko] onMasterlo> nor have been fewl
[10:43] <[neko] onMasterlo> lol
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> well for a good while look in logs via um
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> ompaul
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> shorter logs might be ubuntu-ops
[10:44] <Amaranth> [neko] onMasterlo: Whatever, just answer the question please.
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> yes
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> and not anymroe
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> more
[10:44] <Amaranth> We blacklisted your video card in compiz. It should not work unless you override it.
[10:44] <Amaranth> Is this the case?
[10:44] <org_> so now i'd say "I starting to love gutsy" :)
[10:44] <[neko] onMasterlo> what??
[10:44] <alecwh> hey Linux_Galore! I've just done it again, and I'm SURE it works (nslookup_
[10:45] <[neko] onMasterlo> ok hold on um now im confused
[10:45] <[neko] onMasterlo> i thought u meant ban as in DONT COME HERE lol
[10:45] <org_> damn how can a vga driver install make so much different in preformence as a whole.
[10:45] <[neko] onMasterlo> which card?
[10:45] <[neko] onMasterlo> the nvidia or the intel gma
[10:45] <Amaranth> [neko] onMasterlo: gma 965
[10:45] <[neko] onMasterlo> no i have the 3000
[10:45] <Amaranth> the x3000 _is_ the 965
[10:45] <[neko] onMasterlo> and on my system its never stopped working
[10:46] <alecwh> Linux_Galore_: you there?
[10:46] <[neko] onMasterlo> so yes i use gutsy and it works famously
[10:46] <[neko] onMasterlo> need some configs or logs or so?
[10:46] <[neko] onMasterlo> can ftp or w/e as nessisary
[10:46] <[neko] onMasterlo> sorry was confuzzled - talking smack about vlc in another chan :D
[10:47] <Amaranth> [neko] onMasterlo: Can you paste the output of `lspci -vn | grep -i vga`?
[10:47] <[neko] onMasterlo> yeah lemme go to that... lemme ssh
[10:47] <[neko] onMasterlo> actaully gimme 3 min i need nicoteen
[10:50] <alecwh> [neko] onMasterlo: a dangerous addiction.
[10:53] <databuddy> ok Amaranth im here sorry abuot that
[10:53] <databuddy> you want me to just paste to chan? or to ,,
[10:54] <databuddy> btw using the intel driver atm but usually the i810
[10:54] <databuddy> <<--- nekostar
[10:54] <rexy_> gutsy base install is consistently failing for me. It is trying to generate initrd,img, but it cant due to missing modules, which makes sense because no package the base system fetches contains those?
[10:54] <Amaranth> ok...
[10:54] <databuddy> i was on masterloki's compy - thats my roomate
[10:54] <Amaranth> databuddy: just paste here, it's one line
[10:54] <masterloki> hi
[10:54] <databuddy> 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2972 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[10:54] <masterloki> that's me
[10:54] <databuddy> sup bro ^^
[10:55] <masterloki> not much
[10:55] <Amaranth> hehe, 8086, intel is funny
[10:55] <databuddy> i have the d946gzis intel motherboard btw
[10:55] <Amaranth> databuddy: ok and lspci | grep -i vga
[10:55] <databuddy> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[10:55] <org_> what package do i need to enable identd service?
[10:55] <savvas> any comments for 2.6.22-13.40 ?
[10:55] <Amaranth> databuddy: hrm, wtf is that?
[10:56] <savvas> (the kernel image)
[10:56] <databuddy> Amaranth its the 946 express chipset
[10:56] <Amaranth> databuddy: when compiz is running does Xv work?
[10:56] <databuddy> cheap arsed board
[10:56] <databuddy> xv? mm
[10:56] <Amaranth> databuddy: oh dude you have a 945, not a 965
[10:56] <databuddy> yawall
[10:56] <Amaranth> databuddy: so glad i didn't add your pciid to the blacklist, that's the one sabdfl has
[10:56] <org_> what package do i need to enable identd service?
[10:56] <databuddy> http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D946GZIS/index.htm
[10:57] <databuddy> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 (Intel GMA 3000) onboard graphics subsystem
[10:57] <databuddy> i'm real glad also sir!
[10:57] <Amaranth> hrm, wtf
[10:57] <Amaranth> databuddy: pastebin the output of xvinfo
[10:57] <databuddy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39748/
[10:58] <databuddy> i'm doing overnighter so u got me for hours and hours <3
[10:58] <Amaranth> databuddy: right then, blacklisted
[10:58] <databuddy> oh?
[10:58] <Amaranth> soonish
[10:58] <Amaranth> probably monday
[10:58] <databuddy> dude.....
[10:58] <databuddy> its working fine...
[10:58] <databuddy> just no shading or water
[10:58] <Amaranth> no it's not
[10:58] <Amaranth> Xv video is completely broken
[10:58] <databuddy> memleak in emerald tho
[10:58] <org_> what package do i need to enable identd service? PLEASE
[10:58] <databuddy> so dont update any compiz stuff eh?
[10:58] <Amaranth> heh
[10:59] <Amaranth> well, you can override the check if you like brokenness
[10:59] <databuddy> it can continue as is and i would be fine
[10:59] <databuddy> oooooooooo
[10:59] <databuddy> yeah xv is broken for vids
[10:59] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:59] <databuddy> i had to get the 32bit mplayer+faac from trevhino
[10:59] <databuddy> and that worx
[10:59] <Amaranth> and intel has no plans to fix it until EXA works
[10:59] <databuddy> exa?
[11:00] <Amaranth> that uses the video plugin, not Xv
[11:00] <Amaranth> EXA is the new Xorg acceleration architecture, a replacement for XAA
[11:00] <Amaranth> EXA might be ready in a year or so
[11:00] <Amaranth> so yeah...
[11:00] <databuddy> ~_~
[11:00] <Amaranth> actually the fix is to use EXA
[11:00] <databuddy> so what your telling me is to get that darn vid card
[11:00] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:01] <databuddy> i wanter how many watts the e-geforce 8400 takes
[11:01] <databuddy> its like 70 bucks at work
[11:01] <Amaranth> x3000 and x3100 have driver problems
[11:01] <Amaranth> they only do textured video instead of overlay and textured video only works if you don't use composite or use exa
[11:02] <databuddy> oic
[11:02] <databuddy> hm
[11:02] <databuddy> so lets say i keep letting those packages update
[11:02] <databuddy> will compiz quit working?
[11:02] <Amaranth> You'll reboot and get metacity instead
[11:02] <databuddy> its not like i need it.... but its a lot of fun..
[11:03] <Amaranth> databuddy: Then you'll want to go to http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist to figure out how to get around it :)
[11:03] <databuddy> ok
[11:04] <databuddy> oh thats not that bad
[11:04] <databuddy> one entery
[11:04] <databuddy> entry even
[11:04] <johnnybobbybee> hey folks -- just checking in. does anyone have compiz-tray-icon working in guysy. or is it still broken?
[11:04] <pvandewyngaerde> i read that opensuse improved their boot time a lot,  i hope gutsy will improve too
[11:04] <databuddy> johnnybobbybee fusion-icon is the best
[11:04] <databuddy> google it and then click on tree and then on snapshot
[11:05] <databuddy> dl and extract make && make install
[11:05] <hype_> databuddy , !icon
[11:05] <databuddy> !icon
[11:05] <johnnybobbybee> databuddy oh? in the official repos?
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <hype_> oops do this on #compiz-fusion :)
[11:05] <databuddy> just did
[11:05] <MannyZ> what is the dir of sources.list?
[11:05] <databuddy> yeah i didnt do it that wya
[11:05] <Amaranth> fusion-icon is crap
[11:05] <databuddy> git doesnt work in this
[11:05] <hype_> MannyZ /etc/apt
[11:05] <databuddy> bah - worx great...
[11:05] <MannyZ> thankyou hylje
[11:06] <MannyZ> hype_,
[11:06] <hype_> np
[11:06] <databuddy> whats crap is not having emerald themes in gutsy
[11:06] <johnnybobbybee> well - what is the 'official' way to turn on/off compiz/fusion?
[11:06] <databuddy> gotta use a mem leaky em themes from feisty ~_~
[11:06] <masterloki> Databuddy have to restart after updates stand by please
[11:06] <databuddy> masterloki yea ok
[11:06] <hype_> databuddy , i think themes are actually included in emerald
[11:06] <MannyZ> hype_,  how i open it in terminal :D?
[11:06] <databuddy> hype_ you ever see a way to choose?
[11:06] <Amaranth> databuddy: fusion-icon duplicates what we already do
[11:06] <databuddy> its called emerald-theme-manager
[11:07] <hype_> MannyZ , sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list; tho you can edit your sources.list usin synaptic
[11:07] <databuddy> Amaranth ive yet to see an option to choose between the gnome and emerald on the fly
[11:07] <MannyZ> thanks again :) hype_
[11:07] <Amaranth> databuddy: ah, we don't do that
[11:07] <Amaranth> I meant start compiz
[11:07] <hype_> databuddy , yeah, i actually use fusion-icon> emerald theme manager :p
[11:07] <databuddy> Amaranth thus emerald-theme
[11:07] <databuddy> Amaranth that part works great
[11:07] <Sontax`lap> Hey i still cant get my screen working at 1280x800
[11:07] <databuddy> the only reason i keep fusion-icon around is that other feature - like with the beryl-manager :>
[11:08] <Amaranth> databuddy: fusion-icon has it's own hardware detection stuff to start compiz, duplicates what we already do but does it differently
[11:08] <hype_> Amaranth , why isnt fusion-icon a dep of compiz-fusion?
[11:08] <Amaranth> hype_: it's not even packaged
[11:08] <hype_> or a recommended packae? well i mean included in repos :p
[11:08] <databuddy> Amaranth as long as you dont start from gnome-appearancethingie and only fusion-icon its not a big deal - otherwise things can get a little corrupted
[11:08] <hype_> yeah, but is it the only issue?i mean, if a packager decides to do so it will happen? or is there technical problems that prevent this?
[11:08] <databuddy> hype_ because tho it has emerald they dont have emerald-themes
[11:08] <MannyZ> im in big trouble now -.-
[11:08] <databuddy> and therefore have no reason for it
[11:09] <databuddy> thats why the 4 options in the appearance dialog
[11:09] <johnnybobbybee> is the compiz-tray-icon supported? is it getting fixed? or what's the official way to switch window managers?
[11:09] <databuddy> and if you notice ccsm is startable from there
[11:09] <databuddy> wb masterloki
[11:09] <hype_> johnnybobbybee , fusion-icon
[11:09] <databuddy> thus my one and only major complaint about c-f+gutsy atm
[11:09] <databuddy> :P
[11:09] <databuddy> sigh i really should be compiling gentoo rite now ~_~
[11:09] <hype_> johnnybobbybee , do !icon in #compiz-fusion :p
[11:09] <masterloki> databuddy
[11:09] <databuddy> [as secondary lol] 
[11:09] <johnnybobbybee> hype -- really? official? is there documentation?
[11:10] <databuddy> masterloki
[11:10] <MannyZ> i updated to 7.10 and after restarting i couldndt get in.. because linux was ubuntu was using the xorg.conf.backup not xorg.conf... so now i changed to x.rog.conf.backup again and now the settings are going to the original one -.- .. my resolution is 600x800 :SS:S: help me!
[11:10] <masterloki> still get that one error
[11:10] <hype_> johnnybobbybee , not packaged, but yeah its "oficial", and actually works great
[11:10] <masterloki> about the home dmrc file
[11:10] <databuddy> MannyZ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:10] <databuddy> at the end choose medium and the preferred resolution
[11:10] <databuddy> dont worry about the login res
[11:10] <pvandewyngaerde> try    ctrl  alt +   (plus)
[11:10] <databuddy> its funky like that
[11:11] <databuddy> pvandewyngaerde in the login screen for resolution changes?
[11:11] <databuddy>  @_@
[11:11] <johnnybobbybee> hype_, cheers - just checked out #compiz-fusion
[11:11] <hype_> :)
[11:11] <Amaranth> hype_: There are technical problems that prevent fusion-icon from being packaged. The main one is it's crap.
[11:11] <walck> lo all :)
[11:11] <Amaranth> hype_: Plus we're 12 days from release...
[11:11] <hype_> Amaranth , haha ^^
[11:11] <hype_> Amaranth , yeah, thats easy to install anyway
[11:12] <hype_> Amaranth , but i'm sure you think its useless because you never switch back to metacity
[11:12] <hype_> :>
[11:12] <Amaranth> hype_: no need
[11:12] <nekostar> http://bayimg.com/OAhoMAABg http://bayimg.com/OAhOLaabG
[11:12] <hype_> (well, i dont anymore, since i dont play much games anymore tho)
[11:12] <nekostar> btw Amaranth thats my latest screenies
[11:12] <nekostar> thanx to yall <3333333333333
[11:12] <MannyZ> databuddy: use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[11:13] <hype_> Amaranth , i et less fps ingame if compiz (or any composite manager is running
[11:13] <walck> standby (suspend to RAM) has issues with my santarosa laptop in gutsy, worked fine in fiesty, sata controller seem to crash
[11:13] <hype_> get*
[11:13] <nekostar> oh and thats ranma in the vid btw :D
[11:13] <majnoon> it STILL going
[11:14] <majnoon> i started upgrade at midnight
[11:15] <masterloki> how can I keep from getting the message about the bluetooth RFcom to stop showing in my log
[11:15] <masterloki> it's annoying
[11:15] <ratpoison> new update broke my compiz - fusion! (xgl - fglrx ati x1950 user)
[11:15] <MannyZ> whats my key variant
[11:16] <MannyZ> keyboard variant
[11:16] <majnoon> it sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[11:17] <Amaranth> nekostar: wow, overdoing it a bit there
[11:18] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/desktop20071006.png
[11:18] <luitvd> hi
[11:19] <luitvd> I'm having trouble doing a dist-upgrade
[11:19] <masterloki>  how can I keep from getting the message about the bluetooth RFcom to stop showing in my log
[11:19] <luitvd> libmono-corlib1.0-cil won't update
[11:19] <nekostar> Amaranth ?
[11:19] <nekostar> oh
[11:19] <nekostar> yeah hehe
[11:20] <nekostar> i wanted a new theme
[11:20] <nekostar> last one was the sexylolinix
[11:20] <nekostar> oo got some uuuuuuber high res pix of mars and stuff - i really need a darn vid card and duals back
[11:21] <hype_> :p
[11:21] <majnoon> upgrrade thingy says i have about 20 hours left
[11:21] <nekostar> majnoon yeah bw is slammed atm :P
[11:21] <luitvd> anybody else having trouble updating libmono-corlib1.0-cil?
[11:21] <luitvd> W: Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mono/libmono-corlib1.0-cil_1.2.4-6ubuntu6_all.deb Hash Sum mismatch
[11:21] <nekostar> luitvd sudo apt-get update
[11:21] <nekostar> then try again
[11:21] <majnoon> it allo downloaded it INSTALLING now
[11:21] <nekostar> oh wait do a sudo apt-get clean first i recommend..
[11:22] <luitvd> meh, just did that, but I'll try it anyways
[11:22] <luitvd> nekostar: I'll try
[11:22] <nekostar> kk ^^
[11:22] <nekostar> the clean command is one of my favorites... deletes the apt-get cache- saves tons of space
[11:23] <luitvd> :)
[11:23] <nekostar> masterloki http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q6600_2.html#sect0
[11:23] <savvas>   * Disable MSI by default < what does this mean?
[11:23] <savvas> it was in the changelog of the linux headers
[11:24] <majnoon> micosoft install ??
[11:24] <savvas> I didn't know linux had .msi support :)
[11:24] <luitvd> nekostar: nope, still the same Hash Sum mismatch
[11:24] <hetauma> after installing latest updates which included -13 kernel and rebooted my X runs at 800x600 and with vesa driver instead of nvidia. is this because linux-restricted-modules-13 is not updated yet?
[11:24] <majnoon> i HOPE NOT
[11:25] <hype_> hetauma , that's it
[11:25] <hype_> hetauma , use main server, or wait a bit :)
[11:25] <majnoon> i usually use nvidia's drivers
[11:25] <hype_> just wait, you'll still be able to boot on lod kernel
[11:25] <hype_> well, -12
[11:25] <hetauma> hype_, if I reboot with -12 kernel it will work fine right ?
[11:25] <hetauma> yeap :D
[11:25] <klotho> hello... I had gutsy working just fine until today, when I let it auto-upgrade and now it won't start the xserver, claiming it is in low graphics mode. But whether I configure it and continue or just continue, it still won't start. Any hints?
[11:25] <hype_> yep
[11:26] <savvas> hetauma: what's your linux restricted modules? 2.6.22.4-13.6 ?
[11:26] <hetauma> savvas, nope it's -12-generic
[11:26] <hype_> hetauma , my theory is they did on purpose to test bulletproof X efore release :D
[11:26] <hetauma> and there is not -13 yet no my sources
[11:27] <savvas> linux-restricted-modules: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.6.22.13.19
[11:27] <savvas> what repo ?:)
[11:27] <klotho> no hints at all?
[11:27] <hetauma> savvas, .gr
[11:27] <savvas> ah, it'll be there soon :P
[11:28] <hetauma> klotho, either boot with the old kernel -12 one or wait a bit and update again
[11:28] <hype_> klotho , linux restricted modules not yet updated for -13 kernel, just wait or use main ubuntu serv
[11:28] <klotho> hype_ so how do I revert?
[11:28] <bazhang> has anyone installed nvidia drivers for nvidia geforce 7300?
[11:28] <hype_> klotho , use synpatic
[11:28] <klotho> I can't. x won't start
[11:28] <hype_> you can serv your mirror from synpatic
[11:29] <savvas> bazhang: yeah why?
[11:29] <hype_> klotho , just boot on older kernel?
[11:29] <klotho> how do I boot the older kernel?
[11:29] <savvas> bazhang: I haven't still updated to the latest release though :)
[11:29] <hype_> reboot, and choose the kernel from gub
[11:29] <klotho> hmm.. the old one would be there? I didn't check
[11:29] <bazhang> do you compiz-fusion going sawas?
[11:29] <hype_> klotho , it is
[11:30] <klotho> okay, and so that is the whole installation for the older one, not just the kernel?
[11:30] <savvas> klotho: you should have a "kernel 2.6.22-10-generic"
[11:30] <bazhang> savvas: do you have compiz-fusion?
[11:30] <savvas> bazhang: yep, works great for my nx7300gt
[11:30] <MannyZ> what was the command again to sources.list :S? im really ing big trouble here :SS::SS
[11:30] <klotho> okay, but why does this new version not even work in low graphics mode?
[11:31] <bazhang> savvas: hard to install?
[11:31] <savvas> MannyZ: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:31] <Almindor> hello
[11:32] <Almindor> when you turn on compiz-fusion (eg: "simple effects") is a different WM used than without it? (I guess normal is metacity?)
[11:32] <savvas> bazhang: it was several clicks away, through the appearance (system > prefs > appearance > visual effects)
[11:32] <bazhang> savvas: includes installing nvidia drivers?
[11:32] <Sontax`lap_> Thanks every 1 it is working again
[11:33] <savvas> bazhang: um no, you install the drivers from system > admin > restricted drivers manager :)
[11:33] <luitvd> why won't libmono update? or how can I ignore the hash sum mismatch?
[11:33] <savvas> bazhang: don't forget to restart after the driver installation
[11:33] <MannyZ> how i open the xorg.conf in a texteditor?.. tell me the command only.. or i cant know what im copypasting to terminal
[11:33] <bazhang> savvas: thanks!
[11:34] <savvas> n/p :)
[11:34] <hetauma> btw how do I change the resolution/fonts on my terminals? non X ?
[11:34] <savvas> MannyZ: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:35] <ratpoison> savvas: I had the same problem w/ my ati x1950 and compiz-fusion via xgl. I booted from  -12 and it worked
[11:35] <hetauma> brb rebooting
[11:35] <savvas> ratpoison: what same problem?
[11:36] <bazhang> savvas: all I see is choosing the card; where can I get the drivers?
[11:36] <ratpoison> compiz-fusion wouldn't work...
[11:36] <bazhang> I'm in KDE
[11:36] <ratpoison> but now it does
[11:36] <savvas> bazhang: ah.. don't know then. search for the restricted drivers manager if there is any in KDE :\
[11:36] <bazhang> savvas: there aren't...
[11:37] <savvas> ratpoison: -13 doesn't work?
[11:37] <ratpoison> only metacity
[11:38] <savvas> ratpoison: you have the same problem as hetauma maybe, you have to wait for the restricted modules to reach the .gr repositories
[11:38] <ratpoison> Before that, I tried to uninstall xserver xgl, upgrade and re-install xgl. Neither that worked
[11:38] <ratpoison> or I could remove the gr. prefix from the sources, upgrade and try again ;)
[11:39] <savvas> ratpoison: your call :) I use the uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:39] <ratpoison> xterm time
[11:41] <ratpoison> hmmmmm seems that for some reason my repos where not the gr.* to begin with
[11:41] <ratpoison> so, why do I have this problem?
[11:42] <savvas> ratpoison: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules
[11:42] <ratpoison> a rhetorical question mind you
[11:42] <savvas> mine is   Candidate: 2.6.22.13.19
[11:43] <ratpoison> http://pastebin.com/m7ccdca79
[11:45] <nijaba> Hello, is this only me or there is a problem with nvidia-glx-new on the gutsy upgrades today ?
[11:45] <hetauma> hmm ok I downloaded linux-restricted-13 and now nvidia drivers work. but my xorg.conf is edited and it has failsafe device and failsafe monitor with max resolustion 640x480. and I don't see any back up of my old one :(
[11:45] <ratpoison> nijaba that seems to be the conversation right now
[11:45] <nijaba> sorry, just joined
[11:46] <nijaba> ratpoison: thanks
[11:46] <klotho> moral of the story - don't upgrade for a few days after a beta release
[11:46] <ratpoison> nijaba: For now, try booting from 2.6.22.12
[11:47] <nijaba> ratpoison: done already, but had to go vesa to get video
[11:47] <ratpoison> klotho: seems like a good idea.... then again having a beta version OS is not a good idea to begin with :)
[11:47] <hetauma> ratpoison, it seems that this issue creates a failsafe xorg.conf and sticks with that afterwards
[11:47] <ratpoison> hetauma: not having nvidia, I wouldn't be much help :)
[11:48] <ratpoison> maybe it's just "wait a few days until the fix it and upgrade again"
[11:48] <ratpoison> they*
[11:49] <hetauma> and even if u enable again nvidia driver through restricted drivers manager it sticks with the failsafe xorg.conf
[11:49] <hetauma> hmm if I run nvidia-xconfig would it detect my monitor and choose the right resolution ?
[11:50] <redheat> hello everyone
[11:50] <ratpoison> no idea about nvidia tools.... can't help you there
[11:50] <nijaba> has someone reported the issue on launchpad ?
[11:50] <redheat> I gotta a question about Gutsy Gibbon
[11:50] <ratpoison> dunno
[11:50] <hetauma> nope it sticks with the values of failsafe
[11:50] <ratpoison> redhead: don't ask to ask a question, ask a question
[11:51] <redheat> I wanna make a wireless network where other computers can see my computer when its running ubuntu?
[11:51] <redheat> that is a wireless network on Ubuntu is that possible?
[11:51] <nijaba> redheat: see in what sense ?  access to shares ?
[11:51] <moreati> This may be inappropriate, but it seems that when I do a long download or update with Gutsy that the OS prioritises that transfer, giving virtually no bandwidth to browsing or email which become very slow. Has anyone else seen this behaviour & can throttle Apt without dropping into iptables configuration?
[11:51] <redheat> exactly
[11:51] <redheat> I mean take this for example
[11:52] <redheat> I have yellow-dog installed on my Playstation 3, and its able to see my system when I'm using windows vista or xp, and it can access them too
[11:52] <redheat> I mean can I make a network on Ubuntu? and if yes, how to?
[11:52] <hetauma> moreati, yes that happens but due to my experience this is how dsl works
[11:53] <hetauma> moreati, if u have something that max out your bandwith u can't really do much more. borwsing gets way tooo slow
[11:53] <redheat> and of course, I want it wireless so that any computer can connect to it the moment its within range of my PC?
[11:54] <jussi01> !find libxine-extracodecs
[11:54] <redheat> nijaba, are you still with me?
[11:55] <nijaba> redheat: is your wifi working already ?
[11:55] <ratpoison> !patience
[11:55] <ubotu> Package/file libxine-extracodecs does not exist in gutsy
[11:55] <redheat> yes
[11:55] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:55] <redheat> this is how I got my computer configured.
[11:55] <jussi01> Anyone know what its called now then?
[11:55] <nijaba> redheat: go take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba to learn configuring windows file sharing
[11:55] <redheat> I have a belkin 54 G gateway/adsl/router connected to my computer using an ethernet cable
[11:56] <savvas> jussi01: totem-gstreamer works for me
[11:56] <redheat> windows file sharing?
[11:57] <jussi01> savvas: yes ok. but Im on Kubuntu.... ;)
[11:57] <hetauma> so todays news are: bulletproof X works fine... it just sticks to that afterwards :D
[11:57] <savvas> jussi01: ah, sorry then, no idea :)
[11:57] <nijaba> redheat: well, if you want to see your disk from a windows station, you need to have samba, which implements windows file sharing
[11:57] <jussi01> !samba
[11:57] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:57] <redheat> what about from another linux distribution such as yellow dog?
[11:58] <hazman> i've noticed a directory missing from my amarok collection, normally in winamp(under doze) i would just add it again, but given amarok automatically indexes is there any way to force it to recognise the directory?
[11:58] <redheat> nijaba, regardless of whether other computers can see it or not, is there a possibility to set up a network on my system?
[11:58] <nijaba> redheat: yes
[11:58] <redheat> ok
[11:59] <savvas> ratpoison: btw, i have no idea why it happens, try uncheck and check again your graphics card in restricted manager :)
[11:59] <redheat> my friend, thank you so much for your help, and sorry I got this one last silly question, does Kubuntu have beryl and compizfusion installed on it?
[11:59] <redheat> I meant compizfusion the new name for beryl
[11:59] <jussi01> hazman: yes there s a way
[11:59] <nijaba> redheat: you can install it.  Gutsy has it by default
[11:59] <jussi01> !compiz
[11:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:00] <redheat> I know, under ubuntu its working fine, but is does it exist under kubuntu?
[12:00] <nijaba> redheat: as well
[12:00] <redheat> can you show me how to access it under kubuntu?
[12:01] <jussi01> redheat: there are still some issues afain
[12:01] <redheat> I know how to do it under ubuntu from the administration
[12:01] <redheat> ok roger that
[12:02] <redheat> ok nijaba, thank you so much for your help..take care and have a nice day
[12:02] <hazman> jussi01: would there perhaps be something about the directory that amarok doesn't like? it doesn't have any non-friendly symbols in the folder name.. nor is it hidden
[12:05] <hetauma> any ideas how ubuntu creates the initial xorg.conf? how it detects monitor gfx card and suitable resolution ? can I run that again ?
[12:06] <JosefK> I still don't get why symlinking /etc/fonts/conf.avail/10-autohint.conf and 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf isn't a default, or more easy to do - firefox looked cack here until I did it
[12:10] <ratpoison> hetauma: yup, manually as far as I know. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xgl (I think)
[12:11] <Tavathlon> Hello all. I have a major problem with the updates this morning - it made my drivers for the graphics card disappear, and my keyboard layout switched to English. Might be more issues, I don't know yet. Anyway, trying to reach the restricted drivers manager, it tells me the following: "You need to install the package  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  for this program to work.". So I tried to do that, but that package is not to be foun
[12:11] <ratpoison> be careful not to mess it up though!
[12:11] <hetauma> ratpoison, trial and error :D
[12:12] <ratpoison> warning if you mess it up, you might be stuck with no X at all
[12:13] <hetauma> xserver-xgl is not installed? is it xserver-xorg ?
[12:13] <ratpoison> sorry typo
[12:13] <ratpoison> :)
[12:13] <ratpoison> talking about xgl with another user :)
[12:14] <moreati> ratpoison: in that case it was a thinko :)
[12:14] <Tavathlon> no one else having problems with the updates from the last couple of hours?  o_O
[12:16] <moreati> Tavathlon: I saw some talking about latest nvidia-glx-new causing issues, I haven't rebooted yet, so no direct experience
[12:16] <Tavathlon> could be that
[12:16] <Tavathlon> do you remember where you saw it?
[12:16] <moreati> here, about 20 minutes ago
[12:17] <Nookie^> has anyone managed to get dual screens working with ati in gutsy?
[12:17] <tiger_> At which runtime level does ubuntu boot by default ? I can't figure it out since there is no /etc/inittab !!
[12:17] <moreati> (10:45:12) nijaba: Hello, is this only me or there is a problem with nvidia-glx-new on the gutsy upgrades today ?
[12:17] <moreati> (10:45:43) hetauma: hmm ok I downloaded linux-restricted-13 and now nvidia drivers work. but my xorg.conf is edited and it has failsafe device and failsafe monitor with max resolustion 640x480. and I don't see any back up of my old one :(
[12:17] <moreati> (10:45:44) ratpoison: nijaba that seems to be the conversation right now
[12:18] <hetauma> moreati, I have exactly the same issue and trying to fix it :D
[12:18] <hetauma> ohh I said that?!?
[12:18] <Tavathlon> hum..
[12:18] <moreati> The conclusion 30 minutes ago was 'Wait a few days for it to get sorted'
[12:19] <Tavathlon> my problem is that linux-restricted-13 is nowhere to be found...
[12:19] <ratpoison> moreati: the conclusion was that this might be the conclusion :p
[12:19] <moreati> or drop back to 2.6.22 -12
[12:19] <Tavathlon> the system refers to 13, but it is not installed
[12:19] <moreati> whoops, overstating things again
[12:19] <ratpoison> moreati :p
[12:20] <ratpoison> anyways. real life calls. gotta go out for coffee!
[12:20] <hetauma> Tavathlon, try to switch to main server for repositories
[12:20] <hetauma> brb
[12:20] <moreati> ratpoison: that's not real life, thats a refuelling pitstop
[12:20] <ratpoison> :)
[12:22] <Tavathlon> er..  where do I switch server?  :s  can't find it in synaptics..  (and I only see half prefernces window, due to extremely low screen resolution..)
[12:22] <Tavathlon> wait, might have found it
[12:22] <hetauma> ok after installing restricted modules and reconfiguring Xserver I'm finally back to 1280x1024
[12:23] <moreati> Anway back to me! Large downloads such as an apt upgrade are sucking _all_ my bandwidth, other browsing/email feels slower than dialup. Anyone else seeing this?
[12:23] <Lynoure> moreati: yes, not surprising
[12:23] <hetauma> moreati, yeap but due to my experience it's due to how adsl works
[12:24] <moreati> (Ie it isn't as bad under Windows, and I don't think it was this bad under Feisty)
[12:24] <Lynoure> moreati: if you upgraded to feisty after it came out, then the servers were probably slower then :)
[12:26] <moreati> It's not that update downloads are slow, it's that their network traffic (or any large download) uses all my bandwidth, to the point of interfering with dns lookups of websites
[12:27] <Lynoure> moreati: yes, that's what I meant
[12:27] <moreati> Lynoure: oh I see, sorry.
[12:27] <hetauma> moreati, again in dsl when you max out your bandwith ping times even to your dns go up to 4 digits
[12:27] <Lynoure> moreati: if you upgraded to feisty when it was out, the servers were slower -> less able to fill your bandwidth
[12:27] <RivaeAerya> is gutsy safe yet on my main pc which i use for schoolwork, games, and music?
[12:28] <hetauma> moreati, try to download something else that maxes out your bandwith and you will see the same issue
[12:28] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: Are you ok if it is not working for a day?
[12:28] <RivaeAerya> Lynoure: well, could come at a bad time..
[12:28] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: if not, stick to a released version
[12:28] <Tavathlon> hetauma, when doing 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xgl', (which I assume I will have to do after my install of the restricted drivers that are now available (yayz!)), will I have to manually change anything, or will that command fix it automatically?
[12:29] <hetauma> Tavathlon, 1st I did that for xserver-xorg (nvidia here and not sure if nvidia is the issue that I have xserver-xorg)... sec phone
[12:29] <RivaeAerya> Lynoure: how's the kubuntu variant coming along?
[12:29] <redheat> guys just a quick help around here please
[12:30] <moreati> hetauma: yes, that's exactly what I've done and it's as you describe. But if I perform the same download in Windows then web browsing and imap email remain tolerable. As though Windows is doing some prioritisation of network traffic, that Gutsy either isn't doing or has different presets for.
[12:30] <redheat> if I want to run nvidia-xconfig
[12:30] <redheat> which command to use?
[12:30] <redheat> is it sudo
[12:30] <redheat> cause I'm beind asked to run nvidia-xconfig as root
[12:30] <Nookie^> yes sudo
[12:30] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: some hickups, like strigi taking 98% of cpu and crashing :)
[12:30] <redheat> just one more question,
[12:30] <redheat> how to restore a backed up file
[12:31] <moreati> redheat: please use one line for your question, not many lines one after the other
[12:31] <redheat> ok I'm sorry. Can you please tell me how to restore a backed up file?
[12:31] <moreati> redheat: was it nvidia-xconfig that said it had backed up the file?
[12:31] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: no suspend-to-ram recovery on my laptop at least. Otherwise fine enough for me, but the restricted module problem just left some people I know GUIless for a bit :)
[12:31] <RivaeAerya> the kubuntu color scheme did not change, right?
[12:31] <redheat> yes
[12:31] <hetauma> Tavathlon, after that during the configuration I think I followed the suggested values except the section where I chose the resolution
[12:31] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: I would not know
[12:31] <hetauma> moreati, are u talking about windows updates?
[12:31] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: I always use my own.
[12:32] <RivaeAerya> Lynoure: your own colorscheme? which is that?
[12:32] <redheat> but this just happened after I updated Kubuntu, it was running fine till I made a major update to kubuntu
[12:33] <redheat> I should have done that before I installed my nvidia driver but still no problem
[12:33] <Tavathlon> hetauma; alright, I'll give it a try now..  wish me good luck, and thanks for the help..  :P
[12:33] <Tavathlon> bbl
[12:33] <hetauma> Tavathlon, good luck mate
[12:33] <redheat> oreati, are you there?
[12:33] <Lynoure> RivaeAerya: sorry, my irc does not do graphics... it might be googlable, put it in my blog way back ( ---> #ubuntu-offtopic)
[12:33] <moreati> hetauma: no, I know they're very throttled and smaller, I mean large downloads such as OOo for Windows, or an iso
[12:34] <redheat> hello? anyone
[12:34] <redheat> how do we restore a backed up file
[12:34] <moreati> redheat: it should also have said what path it backed it up to, something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIA-orig. In which case the command would be mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIA /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:35] <hetauma> moreati, are those downloads maxing out your bandwith ? I generally have this browser slowness issue in both windows and linux whenever my bandwith is maxed
[12:35] <redheat> it just gave me the name and yes it was backed up under that path
[12:35] <redheat> so oreati, the command again is
[12:35] <redheat> ?
[12:35] <Nookie^> i wonder how many years it will take before graphic card problems are gone.. especially for at
[12:35] <Nookie^> i
[12:35] <hetauma> omg xchat's spell checker doesn't have linux nor xchat included ?!?!?
[12:36] <moreati> hetauma: what version of Windows do you use? Maybe it's only XP and above. Certainly latency critical things like quake multiplayer are affected no matter what the system.
[12:37] <moreati> redheat: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIA /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:37] <redheat> the destination is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:37] <redheat> ?
[12:37] <redheat> roger that
[12:37] <redheat> thank you
[12:37] <hetauma> moreati, xp pro. now if u are talking about latency critical things like online gaming on my dsl I can't download anything if I want to play smoothly
[12:38] <moreati> hetauma: ditto, but web browsing is less affected on XP/Vista than it is on Gutsy, I find
[12:38] <hetauma> moreati, and again I believe that this issue is not due to the operating system
[12:39] <moreati> hetauma: ok, I'll do some more trials, maybe I'm misremembering.
[12:45] <Tavathlon> alright, I'm back now..
[12:45] <Tavathlon> the drivers are now installed, but I still have the lousy screen resolution - not really sure how to fix it..
[12:47] <majnoon> this getting slooooower
[12:47] <Tavathlon> hetauma?  you still here?
[12:47] <hetauma> yes
[12:48] <majnoon> says over 1 DAY left
[12:48] <hetauma> Tavathlon, did u reconfigyre xserver?
[12:48] <Tavathlon> no, I realized I have no idea how to do it..  >.<
[12:48] <Tavathlon> so I thought I should ask..  =P
[12:50] <Tavathlon> I don't dare to fiddle around to much on my own, I've lost my X too many times for that, and I'm not really good at this kind of stuff..  =P
[12:50] <hetauma> Tavathlon, basicly all I did was sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and followed all the default values (which are actually those from the previous installation at least for keyboard layout etc) till I chose the resolution
[12:51] <CountX> anyone know how to fix grub error 17?
[12:51] <CountX> i tried to re-setup grub with a live cd, nothing...
[12:52] <ChildX> hello
[12:52] <hetauma> hmm on the other hand ... if you remove xserver-xorg and then install it again ? would that be automaticly configured?
[12:52] <majnoon> it was &%&^%&^%*&^( google desktop
[12:52] <ChildX> is WINE installed by default in gutsy beta?
[12:53] <CountX> ChildX no
[12:53] <Tavathlon> hetauma, I'm running that command now..  =)   should I follow the manual or the autodetect?
[12:53] <CountX> ChildX long answer, it will in final, or im switching to fedora 8
[12:53] <hetauma> autodetect
[12:54] <Tavathlon> alright..  going for it now =)
[12:55] <ba5e> wow 160mb update....nice :)
[12:55] <hetauma> gl
[12:55] <ba5e> I love updating ubuntu....it is so satisfying!
[12:55] <nanonyme> it is?
[12:55] <CountX> i wish i could get in ubuntu
[12:55] <CountX> i get error 17 for no reason after restart
[12:56] <CountX> i spent all night working and now i dont have access to all my stuff
[12:56] <AnRkey> does ctrl+alt+f2 give you a login prompt?
[12:57] <AnRkey> or does it not boot at all?
[12:57] <CountX> it is stuck at grub
[12:57] <CountX> error 17
[12:57] <AnRkey> can you see the grub menu first?
[12:57] <tapas> hi. i checked the "mount automatically" option for a removable hd in the media:/ thingy in konqueror
[12:57] <AnRkey> before the error?
[12:57] <CountX> nope
[12:57] <AnRkey> or straight to error?
[12:57] <tapas> but the device doesn't get mounted automatically ;)
[12:58] <AnRkey> CountX, boot from a live cd and edit grub config to use the previous kernel
[12:58] <CountX> i dont have any
[12:58] <AnRkey> hmm
[12:59] <AnRkey> what are u using to be here now?
[12:59] <CountX> i boot into live cd and look at menu.lst and everything is nornal
[12:59] <AnRkey> where are u?
[12:59] <CountX> AnRkey my windows
[12:59] <AnRkey> CountX, switch the current default kernel to the previous one
[01:00] <CountX> AnRkey it doesnt get to the boot, it stoped before grub shows menu
[01:00] <CountX> AnRkey and i dont have another kernel
[01:00] <AnRkey> how did you check the menu.lst?
[01:00] <CountX> boot cd
[01:00] <Tavathlon> hetauma; done now, rebooting..  I'll be back to tell how it went in a little while..  =)
[01:02] <ba5e> wow my fonts in the update window have changed....
[01:06] <ChildX> hello
[01:07] <ChildX> anyone interested in a test?
[01:07] <ChildX> i think i have found a bug in Launcher
[01:07] <ChildX> in feisty
[01:07] <ChildX> i would like to test if gutsy has that bug as well
[01:08] <ChildX> anyone?
[01:08] <ChildX> okay, bye then
[01:08] <hetauma> how can ppl be so anxious ?
[01:09] <rjek> THEY DEMAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT NOW!!!!!111!1
[01:09] <ikonia> rjek: best way to be ignored and banned
[01:09] <ikonia> !patience >rjek
[01:09] <ikonia> !caps >rjek
[01:10] <ba5e> yeah, get into the ubuntu way of life....don't stress rjek
[01:10] <redheat> hi everyone
[01:10] <rjek> I was being ironic.  Perhaps you're americans. :)
[01:10] <ba5e> hehehe.....are yanks up at this time?
[01:11] <ba5e> hi redheat
[01:11] <redheat> guys I just wanted to let you all know, and you too Oreati, I got over that problem
[01:11] <redheat> Hi ba5e
[01:11] <ba5e> i need a reboot.....new kernel *fingers crossed*
[01:11] <ba5e> brb
[01:11] <redheat> I just updated my Kubuntu, but I didn't know that there was a new kernel 22.13 till I restarted and right after the restart
[01:12] <redheat> the xserver-conifg was gone and I was faced with an abysmal 800x600 resolution and a stupid message telling me that I"m running in low-graphics mode
[01:13] <ubuntu__> did anyone else have a problem with installing the beta?
[01:13] <redheat> I just used that low-life mode to login, headed over to where the NVIDIA drivers were, their location that is, in this case it was on the Desktop
[01:13] <IndyGunFreak> no
[01:13] <IndyGunFreak> what happened to the nvidia drivers last night?
[01:13] <redheat> typed the following into the terminal chmod 777 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run
[01:13] <ba5e> they ran off with your wife! hehehe
[01:13] <IndyGunFreak> was just reading a fwe minutes ago, found i'm not alone.
[01:13] <ba5e> jokes
[01:13] <IndyGunFreak> ba5e: lol
[01:14] <ubuntu__> ok..... ill just try install it again
[01:14] <redheat> and then I shutdown the xserver, and reinstalled the drivers again and everything was ok
[01:14] <IndyGunFreak> it wonked mine up something awful.
[01:14] <redheat> and it went ok..
[01:14] <IndyGunFreak> ubuntu__: are you using gutsy?
[01:15] <redheat> I just got one question..why have you, ubuntu dudette/dudes released a new kernel, especailly now, and we're like 12 days from release?
[01:15] <IndyGunFreak> redheat: thats how we roll
[01:15] <redheat> yes you roll "us"  like dice
[01:15] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[01:15] <redheat> thank you gods and godesses of development
[01:16] <IndyGunFreak> ubuntu__: try installing the nvidia kernel-common.. thats what i ended up doing to make my card work
[01:17] <redheat> IndyGunFreak, Oreati, gals/guys, thank you all for your help..but keep the releases down...give us some room to breath in before you hit us again..
[01:17] <redheat> thanks and take care
[01:17] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[01:17] <IndyGunFreak> why doesn't he jsut use LTS if he wants to wait a while between releases?
[01:17] <IndyGunFreak> or did he just want to whine and cry
[01:19] <Tavathlon> t has nothing to do with the problem I was having..  so the real problem is fixed..  thanks a lot!  =)
[01:19] <Tavathlon> oh fuck
[01:19] <Tavathlon> bloody touchpad..  -_-
[01:19] <stdin> !language
[01:19] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:19] <Tavathlon> sorry..  =P
[01:20] <CountX> error 17 still :(
[01:20] <Tavathlon> as I was saying before my touchpad made things irritating:
[01:20] <CountX> 2 hours till class :(
[01:20] <hetauma> main problem caused today I think is that there was a delay of linux-restricted-modules-13 on many servers....
[01:20] <hetauma> which was a good test for bulletprof X tho
[01:21] <IndyGunFreak> Grub 17?
[01:21] <hetauma> btw bulletproof X shouldn't keep a back up of xorg.conf?
[01:21] <Tavathlon> hetauma, things are working now!  =)  still some minor problems here and there that were not there yesterday, but they have nothing to do with the serious problem - now I can use my computer to work with again, at least! thanks a lot!  =)
[01:21] <IndyGunFreak> i hate that error.
[01:21] <hetauma> Tavathlon, welcome :D
[01:21] <CountX> IndyGunFreak fix it fix it fix it
[01:21] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: how did you install?
[01:22] <Tavathlon> going back to work now, only 3,5 hour delayed...  =P
[01:22] <Tavathlon> good luck, everyone!
[01:22] <CountX> IndyGunFreak 2 months ago 0.<
[01:22] <IndyGunFreak> 2mo ago?... and its been fine up to today
[01:22] <penguincentral> i've just rebooted after doing 375 updates, and i'm now using vesa graphics when i use the nvidia restricted drivers
[01:22] <IndyGunFreak> ?
[01:22] <CountX> yesh
[01:23] <penguincentral> what is going on?
[01:23] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i was using windows for about 4 days without restarting, then restarted, and BAM
[01:24] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: well, that shoudln't really effect grub.
[01:24] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: u using vista?
[01:24] <kristjan_> uhoh, I lost nvidia driver - how long will restricted modules be unavailable for upgrade?
[01:25] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: i lost it to, i think everybody did.
[01:25] <IndyGunFreak> but i installed the nvidia kernel,
[01:25] <IndyGunFreak> whichlet me reenable the nvidia driver.
[01:25] <_Argasm> hi guys, can someone help me with a wireless problem in gutsy...  it's all configures but no flashing wireless light... dunno what else to try ? any ideas ?
[01:25] <IndyGunFreak> then ran nvidia-settings
[01:25] <penguincentral> i'm trying to get into the restricted drivers manager and it's saying to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[01:26] <CountX> IndyGunFreak XP...
[01:26] <CountX> IndyGunFreak this is really pissing my off, sry
[01:26] <IndyGunFreak> penguincentral: wel,l install that kernel/module
[01:26] <penguincentral> ok
[01:26] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: no big deal..... you can try reinstalling grub.
[01:26] <IndyGunFreak> !grub
[01:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:26] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: should I wait for restricted modules update? or follow your advice?
[01:27] <_Argasm> 7.04 wireless worked great, but did a fresh install of 7.10 and now I can find and configure the card but no wireless... any ideas guys ???
[01:27] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: lol, well i followed my advice, and *right now* everything is fine... i couldn't runt he other way cuz my screen was like 800x600, and dual screens were screwed
[01:27] <CountX> IndyGunFreak I have, i resinstalled it to hd1,0 and hd1, no effect
[01:27] <IndyGunFreak> hd1?.. it probably needs to be on hd0
[01:28] <CountX> IndyGunFreak thats where windows is
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> right.
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> grub should go on the mbr.
[01:28] <CountX> IndyGunFreak right
[01:28] <CountX> brb
[01:28] <thompa> what is the default with compiz supposed to be after install?
[01:29] <IndyGunFreak> thompa: off?..lol
[01:29] <thompa> is it expo i mean
[01:29] <thompa> with two workspaces or four
[01:29] <_Argasm> can someone help me setup a wireless card
[01:29] <majnoon> it down to 14 hours now
[01:30] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: did I understood you right - you reinstalled "nvidia-kernel-common"?
[01:30] <kx> argasm , give wicd a try.. it works for me in gutsy
[01:30] <thompa> I had cube by default a while back but now cube will crash the desktop if i go enable it
[01:30] <ciphergoth> Just installed Gutsy beta on my new Windows XP laptop.  I'd expected that it would be dual-boot by the time I'd finished, but no menu appears at boot time.  Did something go wrong?
[01:30] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: thats what i did, then restarted, and restricted driver mgr. worked fine
[01:30] <thompa> IndyGunFreak: are you running compiz?
[01:30] <IndyGunFreak> thompa: i have, i don't like it.. so i don't use it now.
[01:31] <thompa> IndyGunFreak: what is the default
[01:31] <IndyGunFreak> i don't know.
[01:31] <_Argasm> what's wicd ???
[01:31] <thompa> i had two different setups on different boxes
[01:31] <thompa> this intel macbook wont do cube, i dont care though
[01:32] <thompa> but the amd64 had it default for some reason on the nvidia
[01:33] <kx> argasm, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[01:33] <thompa> anybody can tell me what th default is when you set desk effects. Is it 2 workspaces side by side (expo i think)
[01:33] <ciphergoth> There's a /boot/grub/menu.lst that seems to have several options in it including memtest86+ but no menu at all appears at boot- it just launches right into the default
[01:34] <thompa> intel graphic problem
[01:34] <_Argasm> thx
[01:34] <thompa> this is a intel 945 I think
[01:35] <majnoon> intel MAY make ok vid CARDS but on mobo chips NOT so great
[01:36] <thompa> anybody running compiz
[01:36] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: this didn't help here :-/
[01:36] <thompa> im trying to test the video card
[01:36] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: you probably need to update/restart.. at least i did.
[01:36] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: done already
[01:37] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: i don't know, ike i said, worked fine for me.
[01:37] <thompa> !compiz
[01:37] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:37] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: linux-restricted-modules-generic is marked as "upgradable" in adept_updater, but this would break if applied
[01:37] <humbolto> I just read that nvidia driver 100.14.19 fixes the compiz black window bug. Will this be the version in Gutsy?!
[01:38] <kristjan_> humbolto: yes
[01:38] <thompa> ill go ask there, macbook is working great otherwise, the osx partition is down to 4G
[01:38] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: i dont' know, i instaled it, and instaled all updates, and everything went fine, i then enabled the driver, and configured everything and saved X
[01:38] <humbolto> kristjan_: Oh thank god! I almost thought they released it too late!
[01:38] <thompa> humbolto: on the geforce 6200 go the black is real bad
[01:39] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i cant mount any of my drives.... :(
[01:39] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: ?  what do you mean?
[01:39] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i tried to do "setup (hd0)" from grub and it gives me error 17 cant mount
[01:39] <thompa> older sony vaios i think have this card
[01:39] <humbolto> thompa: That's what I have. And did you test it with 100.14.19 yet? Is it really resolved?
[01:39] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: are you on a live cd?
[01:39] <CountX> IndyGunFreak yeah
[01:39] <humbolto> thompa: one firefox window and you are there.
[01:39] <IndyGunFreak> well, thas why, you have to mount the drive in order to install grub on to it.
[01:40] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i can go in computer and look at all my drives
[01:40] <majnoon> down to 12 hrs
[01:40] <kristjan_> I own the geforce 6200 go and yes, 14.19 does fix the black window bug, however now I got _bad_ memory leak
[01:40] <thompa> humbolto: i had an issue installing group, i have to have windows on the other partition
[01:40] <thompa> *grub
[01:40] <thompa> I think lilo screwed up
[01:40] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: when you went throught he install process, where did you tell it to install grub?
[01:40] <majnoon> #1 rule of thumb if dual boot winblows ,install winblows FIRST
[01:40] <IndyGunFreak> when you first isntalled?
[01:41] <humbolto> kristjan_: a memory leak? what does this result in? crash?
[01:41] <thompa> humbolto: the macbook works so far best with intel graphics
[01:41] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: do you have any unapplied updates?
[01:41] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i dont remember it was a looong time ago
[01:41] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: no
[01:41] <kristjan_> humbolto: no, not crash, it will eat all your ram
[01:41] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: oh ok.
[01:41] <thompa> humbolto: i got all the effects cranked up, just cube will crash
[01:41] <CountX> IndyGunFreak im pretty sure on the MBR
[01:42] <IndyGunFreak> kinda wierd that error jsut started all fo a sudden
[01:42] <thompa> im wondering if i should keep the 4g osx partition
[01:42] <IndyGunFreak> do you have a lot of data on your ubuntu partition?
[01:42] <humbolto> thompa: so the leak is in cube or the nvidia driver features cube uses?
[01:42] <humbolto> kristjan_: it will eat all my ram when I use compiz (cube) or any way?
[01:43] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: i just double checked, it shows mys system commpletely up to date
[01:43] <thompa> humbolto: this is a an intel macbook, the other laptop is vaio with nvidia
[01:43] <humbolto> kristjan_: when will those fsckers release the driver under the GPL finally, so it can get fixed.
[01:43] <CountX> IndyGunFreak not a lot, i have a separate partition for /home/ and my ubuntu root have like 20gb free, home has like 10
[01:43] <kristjan_> humbolto: I haven't said it will eat your ram, I said it eats mine :-)
[01:43] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: usually that error starts right at install.
[01:43] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: what country's mirror do you use?
[01:43] <thompa> nvidia has black windows always, but intel has no cube or crash
[01:43] <humbolto> kristjan_: I have a 6250 go with Turbocache as well.
[01:44] <CountX> this really sucks cause i was hoping to get a nap before class
[01:44] <CountX> now i have to fudge with this
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: well, i dot' really know about installing like that,
[01:44] <humbolto> kristjan_: So I suspect it will do the same to me.
[01:44] <kristjan_> humbolto: well, it could be different revision
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: US
[01:44] <kristjan_> humbolto: did you get black window bug immediately in the old days?
[01:44] <thompa> humbolto: im going to try different drivers
[01:45] <humbolto> kristjan_: hopefully. What vaio model do you have? Mine is a VGN-S560P, the worst laptop I have ever had by the way.
[01:45] <thompa>  mine vaio fs-660w nvidia go card
[01:45] <kristjan_> humbolto: I haven't said  I got vaio ;-)
[01:45] <thompa> heat machine
[01:45] <CountX> IndyGunFreak find /boot/grub/stage1 returns hd1,0
[01:45] <humbolto> kristjan_: The first firefox window triggered it. I could have several gnome-terminals at the same time however.
[01:45] <kristjan_> humbolto: just try it out, there is nothing to loose really
[01:46] <humbolto> kristjan_: ah, thompa had the vaio.
[01:46] <kristjan_> humbolto: you got better card then
[01:46] <humbolto> kristjan_: I'll certainly try.
[01:46] <kristjan_> humbolto: mine went completely black, except the panel and menu :-)
[01:46] <humbolto> Is there a way to get this driver for feisty?
[01:46] <thompa> actually the vaio is tougher than the macbook
[01:46] <hylje> rumor has it vaios were intended to be mac clones
[01:46] <kristjan_> humbolto: not sure, check that envy script
[01:47] <kristjan_> humbolto: or install manually
[01:47] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: hmm, do you have 2 hard drives?
[01:47] <thompa> ive already had this macbook in the shop for cracks on the front panel forming
[01:47] <humbolto> as a restricted-drivers.deb I mean
[01:47] <CountX> IndyGunFreak yes
[01:47] <CountX> IndyGunFreak just 2 sata's
[01:47] <thompa> if thats aircraft material thats very cheap plastic or something
[01:47] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: ok.. that should be hd0.. you can *try*.. rebooting your PC, and change your BIOS, to boot the second drive first.,.... see if grub loads that way
[01:48] <IndyGunFreak> understand?
[01:49] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: your bios boot sequence right now, is rpbably something like CD/DVD, Hard Drive-Master, something, something.. chnage hard drive master, to hard drive slave, or to whatever your secondary drive is.. i'm guessing that got changed somehow.
[01:50] <redheat> hi everyone
[01:50] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: looks like my mirror is not synced, I just changed to swedish and got many more updates
[01:51] <redheat>  just one more question,
[01:51] <CountX> IndyGunFreak my bios wont let me change individual harddrives
[01:51] <IndyGunFreak> kristjan_: ok.
[01:51] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: ?..
[01:51] <redheat> everytime I log in as root, I get this message you're logging in as a privileged user, how do I get rid of that
[01:51] <IndyGunFreak> are you using a Raid?
[01:51] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: among other things, the update for "nvidia_glx_new" is available
[01:51] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i cant change to slave
[01:51] <redheat> not in hell
[01:51] <redheat> lol
[01:51] <CountX> IndyGunFreak just "notebook hard drive"
[01:52] <thompa> i got so many updates ill just wait on troubleshooting
[01:52] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: ok, you tell me you have 2 hard drives, yet you're on a notebook, explain to me exactly how your systemis set up, is ubuntu on an external drive?
[01:52] <IndyGunFreak> I know laptops can have 2 drives, just doesn't seem that common.
[01:53] <CountX> IndyGunFreak 2 internal satas
[01:53] <IndyGunFreak> ok.
[01:53] <redheat> guys anyone
[01:54] <IndyGunFreak> and your laptop on the BIOS, doesn't give you the option to change their boot order?.... i've just never seen that, thats all.
[01:54] <thompa> redheat: what
[01:54] <CountX> IndyGunFreak 2 partitions are windows, both on the first sda, 2 for linux, both on sdb
[01:54] <redheat> does anyone know how to get rid of the privileged user warning when I log in as root?
[01:54] <arnath> for some reason the bottom bar does not show up on boot, i have to click wiv my mouse at the bottom of my screen and it will pop up
[01:55] <thompa> redheat: are you a new user , what are your privilages?
[01:55] <bazhang> arnath: I've heard someone else complain about that bug
[01:55] <redheat> I also have the same problem as arnath, the bottom bar doesn't show up instantly
[01:55] <arnath> bazhang: should i report it on the bug site?
[01:55] <CountX> 1 and a half hours before i have to leave
[01:55] <redheat> when I login as root
[01:56] <thompa> redheat: me too bottom bar, but its fixed now
[01:56] <redheat> I get a message saying you're entering a privileged user mode
[01:56] <thompa> compiz options fixed it for me somehow but there is no telling
[01:56] <bazhang> arnath: probably a good idea; have you tried deleting the panel and then reinstalling it as a workaround in the meantime?
[01:57] <thompa> redheat: did you try admin users first
[01:57] <redheat> how do I do that?
[01:57] <kristjan_> redheat: why do you try log in as root?
[01:57] <thompa> system: administration: users and groups from the menu
[01:58] <arnath> bazhang: na, its not a real inconvenience, just one click brings it back
[01:58] <kyja> how do I remove a second listing of desktop in the places menu ?
[01:58] <thompa> redheat: there you will see what you got
[01:58] <redheat> because it's easier for me this way...I just love to be in full control of it..rather than that vista-like UI that I get everytime
[01:58] <redheat> I try to open a program or install something
[01:59] <kristjan_> redheat: dude, running x as root is security risk
[01:59] <thompa> redheat: you know about sudo right?
[01:59] <redheat> kristjan, thompa, my friends I understand, and you don't have to say anything and I want push it...I truely do
[02:00] <CountX> i dont have that problem cause i cant f*king boot
[02:00] <redheat> yes I do know about thompa and I did change that using the terminal
[02:00] <redheat> sudo -i
[02:00] <redheat> right?
[02:00] <thompa> redheat: so what are your user privilages or are you root?
[02:01] <redheat> for the time being root
[02:02] <thompa> redheat: why are you root?
[02:02] <kristjan_> CountX: http://hashbin.com/1039b.html
[02:03] <thompa> redheat: what do you root privilages or user privlages say, go look
[02:03] <redheat> where I can find that?
[02:04] <kristjan_> CountX: you are using livecd?
[02:04] <thompa> system. admin..menu
[02:04] <CountX> yes
[02:04] <redheat> ok I got them thompa under users and groups
[02:04] <thompa> for a start
[02:04] <kristjan_> CountX: well? can you follow that link I gave you?
[02:05] <CountX> kristjan_ it gives an error at setup (hd0) error 17 cant mount
[02:05] <redheat> guys do you know that no one, and I really no one has ever said anything about this..
[02:05] <redheat> I mean it's like the usergroup policy editor on windows
[02:06] <redheat> anyhow..thank you kristijan and you too thompa..
[02:06] <redheat> sorry I meant kristjan_...my mistake sorry
[02:06] <redheat> bye
[02:07] <ciphergoth> What's the "right way" to configure grub under Ubuntu?  There seems to be an /etc/grub.d but that just contains something to set up a menu entry for memtest86+
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[02:07] <kristjan_> CountX: what happens if you write "setup (hd" and press TAB?
[02:08] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: AFAICT that file is generated
[02:08] <CountX> kristjan_ hold on im restarting
[02:08] <ciphergoth> but anyway, it seems to suggest there should be a menu on startup, but there isn't
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: it is
[02:08] <CountX> kristjan_ ok i fixed it...
[02:09] <CountX> kristjan_ i had to restart and do the same thing like 5 times, and on this time it work...
[02:09] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: so I shouldn't edit it directly, but rather edit the files that configure it, right?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: only the bottom half is autogenerated each time
[02:10] <Hobbsee> as in, below ## AUTOMATIC ...
[02:10] <psycose>  i've got a few packages failed to download while upgrading 7.04 to 7.10 they are all related to the linux kernel (exemple Failed to fetch http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_2.6.22.13.19_i386.deb 404 Not Found) any tips?
[02:10] <ciphergoth> oh strange
[02:10] <kristjan_> CountX: strange, can you see grub menu now that you reboot?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> psycose: mirror is out of date.
[02:10] <arnath> o crap, my internet is down on my linux computer
[02:11] <arnath> no ip address, and when i do ifdown eth0, it says -> interface eth0 not configured
[02:11] <Hobbsee> arnath: use dhclient eth0
[02:11] <psycose> ok so to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 beta running update-manager -d is not sufficient
[02:11] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: so, any thoughts on what I need to check to find out why I don't get a menu at boot time?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: none at all
[02:12] <psycose> we must first disable mirrors .... may be this can be added to the wiki
[02:12] <Hobbsee> psycose: no.
[02:12] <savvas> ciphergoth: the boot menu?
[02:12] <arnath> Hobbsee: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[02:12] <ciphergoth> savvas: yes
[02:12] <Hobbsee> arnath: then it's not eth0 that is your wired connection  now.
[02:12] <penguincentral> hi all
[02:12] <Hobbsee> psycose: everything will be built for release.
[02:12] <arnath> Hobbsee: o i see, and how is that possible?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> psycose: and already mirrored.
[02:12] <savvas> ciphergoth: did you change anything in menu.lst?
[02:13] <penguincentral> i just got 14 updates
[02:13] <ciphergoth> not yet
[02:13] <psycose> ok so for the 7.10 beta we must disable mirrors manually
[02:13] <savvas> ciphergoth: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep "timeout"
[02:13] <Hobbsee> psycose: no.
[02:13] <ciphergoth> no, I just installed Gusty on my Windows XP box, and now it only boots Gutsy
[02:13] <Hobbsee> psycose: you have to wait for the mirrors to resync.
[02:13] <ciphergoth> timeout 3
[02:13] <aLeSD> hi all
[02:13] <psycose> ok
[02:13] <savvas> hm
[02:13] <penguincentral> !hi | aLeSD
[02:13] <ubotu> aLeSD: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:13] <ciphergoth> but it doesn't show a menu and then time out
[02:13] <Hobbsee> psycose: do you *really* think it's a good idea for the entire world to be using the same location to get updates from the beta?
[02:14] <savvas> ciphergoth: try sudo update-grub
[02:14] <jrib> chong: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:14] <chong> <23
[02:14] <chong> *<3
[02:14] <aLeSD> I have a problem ... I just upgrade the 7.10 and nvidia drivers won't load
[02:14] <savvas> chong: </3
[02:14] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: it really stresses out the servers, but for the updates to reach local mirrors it takes a while
[02:14] <arnath> Hobbsee: no dhcp offers received
[02:14] <aLeSD> I mean I use nvidia driver yesterday ... and all weas good . But today
[02:14] <ciphergoth> savvas: looks like it's going to offer me a variety of ways to boot Ubuntu or memtest86+
[02:15] <aLeSD> I upgraded the kernel and pluf .. no way
[02:15] <ciphergoth> but I would quite like to be able to boot Windows too (I know, I know)
[02:15] <savvas> aLeSD: did you upgrade to the new kernel? you have to wait for the restricted modules package. if not, from the menu: system > admin > restricted drivers manager, check your graphics card
[02:16] <aLeSD> ok ...  just resolved
[02:16] <aLeSD> u r doing a big job ... every day I find 70 MB to upload ...
[02:16] <aLeSD> crazy world
[02:16] <savvas> ciphergoth: try sudo grub-install .. or something like that
[02:17] <ciphergoth> It's asking what device to install to ... I have the feeling I'm grubbing around at too low a level
[02:17] <weltall> what's better for updating to gutsy (keep in mind that /home is on a different partition than /boot and /): 1) remove the .configs and the gconf data 2) keep them as is ?
[02:17] <savvas> aLeSD: the risks of beta :)
[02:18] <ciphergoth> I can't help but feel that Ubuntu must have a good story for managing dual boot machines, and that maybe it's gone a little bit wrong owing to betaness, but that I should be trying to get it on the right track, not bypassing it
[02:18] <cavediver> I've noticed decreased torrent-downloading performance after latest updates. Is this only a coincident or anyone else have the same problems ?
[02:21] <ciphergoth> well, have mucked about with menu.lst, will try it now
[02:22] <ramvi> Is there any known errors with dvd playback / libdvdcss2 in gutsy?
[02:22] <shiznit> anyone home
[02:22] <savvas> neah, you may go crazy
[02:22] <ramvi> Ive installed libdvdcss2 and the dvd is all laggy and unviewable
[02:23] <savvas> ramvi: on which player?
[02:23] <shiznit> i need help with start up programs, i removed them from the list and they still autostart
[02:23] <ramvi> savvas: vlc and totem
[02:24] <savvas> shiznit: for example which programs? you may have to disable them in system > preferences, like the bluetooth thingy
[02:24] <savvas> ramvi: try mplayer
[02:24] <shiznit> i have
[02:24] <shiznit> avant-window-navigator and fusion icon
[02:24] <shiznit> i got rid of them in the list and they still autostart
[02:25] <savvas> maybe there's a daemon or something :\
[02:25] <savvas> checked /etc/init.d/ ?
[02:26] <shiznit> ok sec
[02:26] <ramvi> savvas: mplayer returns FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). when I try to start the dvd
[02:26] <shiznit> what am i looking for?
[02:27] <savvas> ramvi: where did you get libdvdcss2 btw? it's not in the repositories
[02:27] <kyja> HELP :) this is not mission critical but I am slightly annoyed. I have duplicate menu item "desktop" in my places menu. I want to kill one.
[02:27] <savvas> shiznit: awn or avant-something
[02:28] <ramvi> savvas Mediabuntu
[02:28] <shiznit> savvas, not there and neither is fusion-icon
[02:28] <savvas> shiznit: out of ideas then, sorry :)
[02:32] <arnath> hmm, i'm getting "No DHCPOFFERS received" from dhclient eth1, anyone know if this could be a linux problem? (or is my dhcp server down?)
[02:34] <savvas> arnath: try restart the router and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:34] <dennda> Hi there
[02:35] <dennda> after todays upgrade to the new -13 kernel, I was missing the restricted modules. I am still missing them. Weren't they uploaded, too?
[02:35] <dennda> They aren't available on the repository
[02:36] <dennda> (After reboot I fell back to failsafex since my card geforce 8 wasn't able to work properly with the nvidia-driver that was still configured)
[02:36] <prestosd> I can't boot!
[02:36] <Hobbsee> dennda: your mirror is out of date
[02:36] <prestosd> I just upgraded to gutsy
[02:37] <prestosd> and now it freezes at like %2 and goes to busybox
[02:37] <dennda> and, to make things even worse: http://pastebin.ca/727813
[02:37] <savvas> dennda: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/metapackages/linux-restricted-modules this?
[02:37] <dennda> Hobbsee: you have restricted-modules for the -13 kernel? (generic)
[02:37] <prestosd> nomasteryoda, you here?
[02:37] <dennda> this is the official german ubuntu mirror
[02:37] <Hobbsee> dennda: yes
[02:38] <ChildX> hello
[02:38] <savvas> ah sorry: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[02:38] <Hobbsee> dennda: and it's still behind the original mirror, so you may need to wait a copule of hours
[02:38] <ChildX> i have done a test...
[02:38] <dennda> yes, exactly
[02:38] <dennda> ok
[02:38] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:39] <ChildX> why is that so?
[02:39] <dennda> Hobbsee: thanks. Any idea about the above posted fail of xrandr -o? worked fine until I rebooted with the new kernel (due to my driver missing i am running -12 now, but xrandr still doesn't work)
[02:39] <hetauma> what I did to get over this problem was switch to main ubuntu servers download restricted-13 from there and after that I had to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:39] <prestosd> Hey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that
[02:39] <Hobbsee> dennda: none, but i'd wait until getting that new kernel to see
[02:40] <dennda> Hobbsee: Ok, I will do that (or maybe download the package from another mirror)
[02:40] <prestosd> What's the yaboot command to shut off the splash screen?
[02:40] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:41] <hetauma> any ideas if I can use the tool that ubuntu uses during installation to automaticly configure xorg.conf?
[02:41] <humbolto> how to start compiz by hand in order to use the gconf backend?
[02:41] <Suurorca> ok, this is interesting... gutsy kernel doesn't seem to like my RAId controller *sigh*
[02:41] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:41] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:41] <Hobbsee> humbolto: compiz --replace
[02:41] <Hobbsee> !repeat | ChildX
[02:41] <ubotu> ChildX: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[02:41] <prestosd> lol
[02:41] <ChildX> emerald --replace
[02:42] <dennda> hetauma: that *is configuring xserver-xorg, which you reconfigured with the above command
[02:42] <humbolto> Hobbsee: that's it? Is this also true for the compiz-fusion version available for feisty?
[02:42] <ChildX> suck my dick
[02:42] <Hobbsee> humbolto: yes
[02:42] <savvas> ..
[02:42] <dennda> yes
[02:42] <Hobbsee> bye then
[02:42] <savvas> lol
[02:42] <prestosd> thank you
[02:42] <dennda> well, that was very fast, Hobbsee ;)
[02:42] <prestosd> lol
[02:43] <hetauma> dennda, but I did that. installation did a much better configuration I think :D
[02:43] <Hobbsee> dennda: yeah, then i went to #ubuntu, and threw him out of there too
[02:43] <prestosd> Hey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that
[02:43] <dennda> hetauma: you are possibly confused because you didn't use the argument -plow
[02:43] <humbolto> Hobbsee: I did compiz --replace gconf but changes with ccsm don't seem to take affect until I restart compiz.
[02:44] <humbolto> Hobbsee: restarting meaning logging out and logging in again.
[02:44] <hetauma> -plow ? what does that do ?
[02:44] <dennda> Hobbsee: some kind of "kick-button" or script? i always need to type all this manually ;)
[02:44] <savvas> humbolto: if you have gnome-compiz-manager, remove it
[02:44] <Hobbsee> dennda: yes, i have aliases :)
[02:44] <chrissturm> hmm, my bottom gnome panel disappeared in the last update, how do i get it back?
[02:44] <dennda> hetauma: doesn't ask you all that stuff. needs less input
[02:44] <dennda> hetauma: but it's the same
[02:45] <Hobbsee> humbolto: hm.  i dont run compiz
[02:45] <hetauma> chrissturm, double click on desktop
[02:45] <dennda> Hobbsee: ah ok. .oO(note to myself: write aliases)
[02:45] <chrissturm> hetauma: lol, thanks
[02:45] <hetauma> :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> dennda: this one is /kickban -domain user, shortened.
[02:45] <hetauma> chrissturm, of course it's not supposed to work that way :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> although it ops first
[02:46] <chrissturm> i was just about to delete my panel config to revert to defaults
[02:46] <prestosd> Hey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that
[02:48] <Hobbsee> prestosd: if someone hasnt answered you by now, they likely dont know how to fix it.
[02:49] <prestosd> lol
[02:49] <Hobbsee> prestosd: repeating will just earn *you* a kickban
[02:49] <prestosd> Hobbsee, lol I noticed
[02:49] <prestosd> but it's really really really really really urgent
[02:49] <dennda> savvas: got what you wanted? ;)
[02:49] <prestosd> busybox doesn't say an error
[02:49] <prestosd> it just starts
[02:49] <savvas> dennda: negative :)
[02:50] <dennda> savvas: what do you want to know?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> prestosd: because you upgraded a machine that was really really urgent to a development release?
[02:50] <prestosd> lol?
[02:50] <savvas> dennda: the story of your life
[02:50] <dennda> savvas: 42
[02:50] <savvas> bbl, clinic hours
[02:50] <prestosd> Hobbsee, did it on another machine fine a few days ago
[02:50] <prestosd> this ones a PPC
[02:50] <prestosd> just upgraded to gutsy
[02:50] <prestosd> first boot of gutsy it did this
[02:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, ppc.
[02:50] <jimmacdonald> having  a problem after updates. goes to a terminal prompt with the error kinit no resume image, doing normal boot. and then it just dies to a login prompt
[02:50] <humbolto> I never know if I need to enable the Composite extension or not in xorg.conf. What is it for?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> so it hates your hardware
[02:51] <prestosd> reall slow loading...so I reboot
[02:51] <stefg> bad timing, prestosd :-) as it just broke
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: do you have an intel card?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: sorry, an ati card?
[02:51] <jimmacdonald> no NVidia.
[02:51] <prestosd> stefg, ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: binary drivers?
[02:51] <chrissturm> is it possible to index thunderbird emails via tracker?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: boot back with the old kernel, it should work.
[02:52] <prestosd> ?
[02:52] <stefg> kernel updated, but no restricted modules, prestosd . so if you dist-upgrade now you'll not have prop-drivers ATM
[02:52] <prestosd> I dunno how, yaboot (the mac bootloader
[02:52] <prestosd> doesnt have a llist
[02:52] <prestosd> Got a command?
[02:53] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee after I reboot then what?
[02:53] <soc> hi
[02:53] <dennda> i wonder if the restricted-modules will be suggested by update-manager automatically or if i have to check their availability manually
[02:53] <prestosd> stefg, I still don't get what you're saying
[02:53] <prestosd> :P
[02:53] <soc> will xf86-video-ati synched to the latest release again?
[02:54] <soc> looks like 6.7.195 is mostly a bug fix release
[02:54] <soc> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-October/028974.html
[02:54] <stefg> Currently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,
[02:54] <dennda> prestosd: it's simple: If you upgrade now, you possibly won't have the correct driver
[02:54] <dennda> (for your graphics card)
[02:54] <prestosd> dennda, well I already upgraded
[02:54] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: then update
[02:54] <prestosd> so...I can just boot my old kernel right?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: see what stefg said.
[02:55] <prestosd> dennda, how can I boot the old kernel?
[02:55] <dennda> stefg: cupsys still? I was convinced it upgraded just 5 minutes ago without an issue
[02:55] <chrissturm> stefg: well, i am running the 13 kernel with nvidia driver and it works.
[02:55] <prestosd> dennda, my bootloader doesn't have a bootlist...so I would need a command
[02:55] <dennda> prestosd: press ESC when grub loads
[02:55] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: so don't update just yet?
[02:55] <humbolto> compiz keybinding settings don't take effect until I relogin.
[02:55] <prestosd> its not grub
[02:55] <prestosd> its yaboot
[02:55] <prestosd> but Ill try
[02:56] <dennda> prestosd: ah ok, i cannot help you then since I don't know yaboot
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: no, do update.  you've already got teh new kernel, but not the modules to go with it
[02:56] <prestosd> dang
[02:56] <stefg> dennda: oh, then they fixed it... was just a stupid duplicity of readme.txt between cupsys and libcups, nothing serious
[02:56] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: I have updated from the command prompt and it still didn't correct the problem
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: then your mirror is outdated.
[02:56] <dennda> stefg: yes, i noticed. (launchpad sent me ~80 emails about this after I subscribed to the bug ;))
[02:57] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: use UK?
[02:57] <dennda> jimmacdonald: meaning: simply wait
[02:57] <stefg> so i just forced-overwrite install with dpkg and was done
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: use archive.u.c
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: but it will be slower
[02:58] <redheat> hello again
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: as a lot of people already use that anyway
[02:58] <dennda> stefg: I didn't do that. I just didn't update that one package and waited until a fix was released
[02:58] <redheat> for like the million times
[02:58] <dennda> but of course, both ways work
[02:58] <redheat> guys why aren't the compizfusion settings working at all under Kubuntu?
[02:59] <redheat> I mean the settings manager is working fine, but there are no effects whatsoever the settings I choose
[03:00] <stefg> redheat: when did you last dist-upgrade ?
[03:00] <redheat> just like three minutes ago
[03:00] <redheat> they work excellently under ubuntu
[03:00] <stefg> redheat: you're probably missing your 3D enabled driver
[03:00] <redheat> but under Kubuntu a door know that
[03:00] <redheat> nope it working fine..
[03:01] <redheat> or can you show me how to enable it under kubuntu
[03:01] <redheat> because they're working fine under ubuntu
[03:01] <rothchild> update on my desktop has caused a spot of bother I've got 'device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda2 File system mounted or opened exclusively by and other program fsck died with exit status 8
[03:01] <redheat> gnome
[03:01] <redheat> that is
[03:01] <rothchild> and then a series of bash errors
[03:03] <redheat> stefg, are the settings working on your KDE ?
[03:04] <stefg> redheat: what's KDE ? :-)
[03:04] <soc> plans to update the radeon driver to 6.7.195?
[03:04] <redheat> kubuntu desktop
[03:04] <redheat> and gnome is the desktop that usually open after you install ubuntu..
[03:04] <stefg> redheat: i'm kidding... i don't touch KDE with a 10 foot pole
[03:04] <redheat> cool
[03:04] <redheat> how about a one-foot ruler
[03:05] <redheat> lol
[03:05] <redheat> anyhow, it should work, since the same settings could be found under both..
[03:05] <redheat> and they both have the same 3D driver
[03:06] <redheat> stefg, can you ask any of the other guys, if anyone of them uses compizfusion under KDE?
[03:07] <redheat> cause it's really a very good desktop..
[03:07] <nixternal> I know a few people who use Compiz-Fusion with KDE
[03:07] <redheat> :)
[03:07] <nixternal> I have given it a try as well
[03:07] <redheat> not even someone hiding under a table or behind an armchair
[03:08] <redheat> hey nix, sorry didn't notice you were talking to me..
[03:08] <redheat> sorry my friend
[03:08] <nixternal> hehe, no prob
[03:08] <redheat> it should work? that's what's puzzling me..it should work..everything is peachy under gnome desktop, but under KDE, it's not..
[03:09] <redheat> don't no why
[03:09] <nixternal> what problem are you having?
[03:09] <rothchild> won't let me manually mount sda2 to /home
[03:09] <redheat> no effects are working at all
[03:09] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:09] <redheat> sorry
[03:09] <redheat> wrong person..
[03:09] <nixternal> you installed the compiz-kde right?
[03:09] <redheat> sorry
[03:09] <redheat> yep
[03:09] <Hobbsee> redheat: c-f *sucks* under kde.
[03:09] <rothchild> /dev/sda2 already mounted or /home busy
[03:09] <redheat> I knew it..
[03:10] <redheat> you know guys..I guess its the same problem that Beryl used to have under KDE
[03:10] <nixternal> actually, it worked quite well for me and I am using Intel graphics
[03:10] <nixternal> manchicken uses it all of the time
[03:10] <redheat> remember that startup problem
[03:10] <redheat> where Beryl used startup automatically, but under KDE no way jose
[03:10] <nixternal> ahh, see I have never set it to start automatically because I never liked the effects all that much...except for like one or two of them
[03:11] <redheat> stefg, has an unswirvelling resistance against KDE...
[03:11] <stefg> is there #kubuntu+1, btw?
[03:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ^^ ahahah :)
[03:11] <redheat> which usually ends with the words...ewww
[03:11] <Hobbsee> stefg: yes, but it'd be quiet, so we put them in here
[03:11] <sbalneav> Oh, dear
[03:11] <redheat> LOL
[03:11] <redheat> lol
[03:11] <sbalneav> Just did my updates, and X won't start up.
[03:12] <redheat> yes..the leftovers are brushed over here
[03:12] <nixternal> that is awesome sbalneav :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: hiya!
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: which video card?
[03:12] <sbalneav> Intel
[03:12] <nixternal> sbalneav: move your xorg.conf and give it a shot...unless you are in the ATI hell
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: uh oh.
[03:12] <nixternal> sbalneav: I did the updates as well and I have intel
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: what did you *do*?
[03:12] <sbalneav> "couldn't bind memory for front buffer"
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: bug bryce
[03:13] <nixternal> oh shoot, I am scared to reboot now...I have to give a talk here pretty soon
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: you can find his number :P
[03:13] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Clicked on the little orange star up top :)
[03:13] <sbalneav> So, known problem then?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: nope
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: my intel is working fine here.
[03:13] <sbalneav> Hm.
[03:13] <dennda> nixternal: if it's a laptop, put it on standby ;)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: ask bryce to help you debug it.  he's the X guy.
[03:14] <sbalneav> He in here?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: tab completion suggests not
[03:14] <dennda> (mine now works with standby in gutsy. and I am pretty amazed. the laptop is in standby now without AC for almost two days at least)
[03:14] <arnath> somehow i dont have an eth0, only an eth1 and the eth1 is not working
[03:14] <arnath> (though it worked fine, on eth0 i presume, yesterday)
[03:14] <rothchild> hi can anyone help with my system failing to mount /dev/sdb2 (my /home folder) ?
[03:14] <sbalneav> Hm, I'll try debugging some more.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: he'll be in devland channels, though
[03:15] <rothchild> and a bunch of bash 'command not found'
[03:15] <redheat> folks, thank you all for your help for showing me how you all "ewww" KDE...thank you all and have a nice day..I'll try to head over to compizfusion and see what the fuss is all about
[03:15] <nixternal> sbalneav and Hobbsee: reboot now since I did updates recently
[03:16] <redheat> you all take care and have a nice day
[03:17] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: -intel driver, or the older one?
[03:17] <rothchild> what does it mean that /home is busy?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> rothchild: that something else is using it.  find what is by doing fuser /home
[03:17] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Both, seemingly
[03:17] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: uhhh.
[03:17] <sbalneav> vesa still seems to work.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: try removing the non -intel one?
[03:18] <rothchild> fuser /home returns nothing
[03:18] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: you should be able to kill xserver-xorg-video-i810, etc.
[03:18] <sbalneav> ok, I can try
[03:18] <Hobbsee> rothchild: try fuser -v /home
[03:19] <rothchild> still nothing
[03:19] <arnath> anyone know how to fix my eth1 problem?
[03:19] <sbalneav> urgh, not without removing video-all
[03:19] <Hobbsee> arnath: wired, wireless?
[03:20] <arnath> wired
[03:20] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: you dont need that anyway
[03:20] <Hobbsee> arnath: check with another machine if it exists
[03:20] <Hobbsee> arnath: er, if it's working at all
[03:20] <arnath> Hobbsee: i dont have an eth0 (though a reference to it pops in dmesg)
[03:20] <arnath> Hobbsee: check what?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> arnath: yeah, it got moved to eth1.  check if your access point is working by another means.
[03:20] <nixternal> xorg works fine here
[03:21] <arnath> Hobbsee: not sure what you mean by checkin if my access point works?
[03:21] <arnath> Hobbsee: the machine also has windows on it, and that works just fine online if thats what you mean
[03:21] <Hobbsee> arnath: right.  so it's definetly a problem with ubuntu, not with the access points - other machines can connect.
[03:21] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Nope, same.  "Couldn't bind memory for front buffer" :(
[03:21] <arnath> Hobbsee: yes definatly
[03:21] <sbalneav> I'll install links2, and google :)
[03:22] <arnath> Hobbsee: also, ubuntu had no problems with it yesterday, since then all that has changed is that ive installed windows on the other harddrive
[03:22] <Hobbsee> arnath: no idea
[03:22] <arnath> so basically...reinstall?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> not necessarily.  just that i dont know.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: does free show anything of interest?
[03:24] <arnath> yes well, seeing as i'm no linux wiz....i seem to have run out of options
[03:24] <Hobbsee> arnath: you may want to go for feisty
[03:24] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: everything I am seeing suggests a problem with the NVidia drivers... not that much of a problem. so I guess I will just leave it.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: uh oh
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: go back to your old kernel.
[03:25] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Looks like, according to lkml it's a kernel problem
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/828214
[03:25] <Hobbsee> no idea if that's lynx-friendly
[03:25] <sbalneav> ok, i'll switch back to the old kernel
[03:25] <sbalneav> gimme 2 minutes....
[03:26] <rothchild> hmm a bunch of basic stuff isn't working it's telling me that /usr/bin is not included in the PATH environment variable
[03:26] <mahrellon> Hey guys. Is it normal that the last updates for Ubuntu GG T5 removes Nvidia GLX and the restricted-drivers (and rest-modules) making it unusable?
[03:27] <rothchild> when I restart it runs up x and gdm but fails because it can't find a home folder
[03:27] <stefg> Currently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,
[03:28] <mahrellon> rothchild go to a terminal (ALT+F2) and login as root. Then type "mkdir /home/username" to create one. =)
[03:28] <mahrellon> stefg, cheers m8. No wonder I'm in the middle of a reinstall now :D
[03:29] <katharos> hi, i'm having issues with my xorg.conf, i've just upgraded to gutsy
[03:29] <stefg> mahrellon: and dont try vga=791 or fancier framebufer resos
[03:29] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: yes.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: if it's mid-kernel upload, yes.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: assuming youv'e updated today, from t5
[03:30] <katharos> I went to #ubuntu and they refferred me to here
[03:30] <mahrellon> Hobbsee, actually I updated last night and now I'm reinstalling :)
[03:30] <sbalneav> Ahhh, much better.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: which particular intel card, btw?
[03:30] <sbalneav> Errrm.
[03:30] <sbalneav> New mobo, hold on
[03:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:30] <mahrellon> So, basically. I'll just install Gutsy and not update for a while? That should work rite?
[03:31] <sbalneav> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[03:31] <sbalneav> G33
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: or just wait until it's released
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: yeah, i thought so.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: it's http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/828214
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: havent been able to raise kylem about it yet, although he's the one who's commented about it breaking in that thread.
[03:31] <mahrellon> Hobbsee, now that's something I just can't do m8. I fell in love with Gutsy the second I layed my geeky eyes on it :P
[03:31] <sbalneav> I went out and bought a new Dual Core mobo a week ago, and went out of my way to get intel video so things would "just work"
[03:32] <sbalneav> Irony, thy name is Linux :)
[03:32] <mahrellon> Hobbsee, thanks for the tips though. I'll take an hour or 5 minutes to ponder the situation and perhaps I'll go back to Ub-FF instead. =)
[03:32] <chong> sbalneav, heh at least yer disk controller isn't hardlocking the feisty AND gutsy kernel on boot ;)
[03:32] <mahrellon> B'bye all!
[03:32] <rothchild> mahrellon cunning but it doesn't help me get sda2 back
[03:32] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: haha.  looks like it was just that latest commit, changed in one place, not 2.
[03:33] <sbalneav> chong: That would suck mightily, yea verily.
[03:33] <chong> <-- stuck on edgy
[03:33] <chong> i'm getting the latest daily though since the bug report i've been tracking has been committed to the kernel package
[03:33] <mahrellon> rothchild, ah so you had a home partition? Logon as root through a terminal and run "fdisk -l" to see if it's still there and if it is just type "mount /dev/drivenr /home/username"
[03:34] <mahrellon> */dev/sda2
[03:34] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: So, Author: Zhenyu Wang <zhenyu.z.wang[at] intel.com> is the fellow I have to thank.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: looks like it.
[03:34] <mahrellon> Anyhow, I got to go.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: make sure you shove kylem at that thread, and about your X breaking
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: on monday, of course.
[03:35] <sbalneav> kylem's the kernel guy?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:35] <Hobbsee> he's also the kyle commenting in that thread.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: (he's one)
[03:35] <rothchild> gives dev/sda2 already mounted or /home busy
[03:36] <Hobbsee> rothchild: then do 'mount' and see where it's mounted.
[03:36] <rothchild> I'm going round in circles here
[03:36] <rothchild> doesn't list /dev/sda2
[03:37] <rothchild> got sda1 proc /sys varrun varlock udev devshm devpts and lrm
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hm
[03:38] <Hobbsee> um, what does the output of 'pwd' give you?
[03:38] <rothchild> pwd gives /
[03:39] <rothchild> why would it think home is 'busy' ? What does that mean
[03:39] <Hobbsee> good
[03:39] <Hobbsee> means it's busy.  being used by something else.
[03:39] <rothchild> lol ok I asked for th
[03:39] <rothchild> that
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, well :)
[03:40] <rothchild> all this straight forward computer speak......
[03:40] <void^> 'cat /proc/mounts' and 'lsof -n /home' perhaps.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> rothchild: hm.  i'd say your system is screwed.
[03:40] <Assid> hey how come  its not easy to set wpa-psk (atleast not through gui) ?
[03:41] <hetauma> 2.6.22-13 will be the final kernel for gutsy?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Assid: it is.  network manager
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hetauma: theoretically
[03:41] <katharos> Hey guys, can someone explain to me what bulletproof X is meant to do?
[03:41] <rothchild> cool! :-(
[03:41] <Assid> k.. friend of mine was trying it.. he said he couldnt get it
[03:41] <hetauma> Hobbsee, but we are past kernel freeze right ?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hetauma: yes, but there's a commit that's broken X
[03:41] <Hobbsee> for at least one person
[03:41] <Hobbsee> so that will need to be reverted.
[03:41] <Assid> Hobbsee: whats the new init or something ubuntu has that some linux communities are worked up about ?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Assid: google for upstart
[03:42] <Assid> thanks
[03:42] <hetauma> Hobbsee, I thought that the problem with broken X was the delay of aplying restricted-modules-13 to servers
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hetauma: some of it is.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hetauma: if it involves binary drivers, or restricted modules, it is.
[03:43] <katharos> when in upgraded to gutsy i hit the bulletproof X, and after i set it up and clicked ok, it looped back and showed it again
[03:43] <Assid> i dont get it.. why couldnt the regular sys V init do the job?
[03:43] <katharos> if i'm in the wrong channel, can someone just tell me to leave and i will
[03:45] <bintut> hello all..
[03:45] <Assid> okay i have a copy iof the 20070921 beta.. should i download the new iso instead ?
[03:45] <Assid> for a fresh install
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Assid: why would you?  it may not even work
[03:46] <hetauma> Hobbsee, any ideas if bulletproof X was supposed to edit xorg.conf and not keep any backup of the old one?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Assid: beta is known to work
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hetauma: no idea, but that sounds strange to me
[03:46] <Assid> Hobbsee: that one caused some issues t me.. i cant remember what
[03:46] <Assid> atleast on my desktop
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:47] <katharos> gutsy boots fine if i remove the xorg.conf, but nothing i've tried has got my nvidia drivers to work
[03:47] <bintut> i'm running ubuntu gutsy amd64 here and i'm looking for a xen package for this distro and basically a similar to debian etch's xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64
[03:47] <bintut> please advice..
[03:47] <Assid> decided to load it up on my lappy before i start using it on my desktop
[03:47] <hetauma> Hobbsee, that's what happened to me and after getting restricted-modules-13 and enabling again nvidia drivers I had to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get rid of the failsafe values
[03:48] <Assid> i wonder if nvidia will start supporting linux more in light of AMD's open source movement
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hetauma: but that involves nvidia / ati crack, so anything could happen.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> (and which i dont care about, due to an intel card)
[03:48] <Assid> Hobbsee: doesnt gutsy use the new catalyst drivers?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Assid: see the part about me not caring about nvidia / ati video issues.
[03:49] <kane77> ehm.. was there some kind of upgrade problem yesterday? (I guess it was package cupsys that gave errors...)
[03:49] <Assid> intel card?
[03:49] <hetauma> Assid, hadn't nvidia been to that "open source movement" way before amd ?
[03:49] <Assid> onboard ?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> kane77: already fixed.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Assid: yes
[03:49] <stefg> Currently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,
[03:49] <Hobbsee> stefg: cupsys got fixed, it seems.
[03:49] <Assid> hetauma: well.. im sure they can push their drivers a bit more
[03:49] <Hobbsee> stefg: R-M is fixed, but hasnt propogated to all mirrors yet
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: framebuffer?  what's broken with that?
[03:50] <kane77> Hobbsee, okay.. I try upgrade again :)
[03:50] <FlyingPig> can i order butsy biggon right now?
[03:50] <stefg> Hobbsee: framebufer should be fixed with -13, but hasn't propagated as well
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: seems the mirrors are quite far otu at the moment - so people are still reporting issues days after they get fixed.
[03:50] <FlyingPig> gibbon sry
[03:50] <Hobbsee> FlyingPig: no.
[03:50] <FlyingPig> k
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: blame the mirrors.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: some are only updating every 12 hours.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> some every 24
[03:51] <ptn107> question... in gutsy how can I force synaptic (or apt) to force download a package and not install it, even if its already installed and i [accidentally]  deleted the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ptn107: man apt.  apt-get install -d foo
[03:51] <Hobbsee> iirc
[03:51] <Hobbsee> man apt will definetly tlel you that.
[03:52] <arnath> anyone know if you can counter overscan with linux?
[03:52] <ptn107> Hobbsee: doesnt work
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ptn107: why?
[03:52] <ptn107> Hobbsee: says its already at the newest version
[03:52] <Vorbote> ptn107: apt-get install --reinstall -d foo
[03:52] <ptn107> so it wont download it again
[03:52] <ptn107> tried that also
[03:52] <ptn107> same result
[03:52] <Hobbsee> apt-get -d, it seems
[03:53] <Vorbote> ptn107: then use aptitude reinstall -d
[03:53] <ptn107> k
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: requires reading.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: requires thought.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: unfortunately, the relative skill level of #ubuntu+1 seems to go *down* each release, not up.
[03:54] <rothchild> fingers crossed reinstalling from tribe 4
[03:54] <redheat>  guys
[03:54] <redheat> sorry for bugging you again
[03:54] <redheat> I just need to know how to reverse a commnad I did on terminal
[03:55] <Vorbote> Hobbsee: Sadly. I guess that's why my students are afraid, very afraid.... Bruhahaha!!!!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> redheat: run ./reversetheworld
[03:55] <majnoon> it STILL installing
[03:56] <majnoon> i started at midnight
[03:56] <redheat> Hobbsee it gives me bad command
[03:56] <redheat> the command I typed was compiz --replace
[03:56] <Hobbsee> redheat: duh.  look at what you wrote, and think about it
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ah, there!
[03:57] <Hobbsee> ok, to reverse that, run metacity --replace
[03:57] <ptn107> Vorbote: is there any way i can force it to also download all of the packages dependencies as well?
[03:58] <Vorbote> ptn107: not really. But you can track them all in Synaptic history logs and download them by hand.
[03:58] <Vorbote> One by one I mean
[03:58] <ptn107> Vorbote: yeah that was the route i wanted to avoid, but if theres no other way
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: sounds like a possible candidate for apt on cd, depeneding on the requirements
[03:59] <ptn107> apt on cd only makes the cd from what i have in my archives folder though right
[03:59] <Vorbote> ptn107: there's always apt-cache show and apt-cache rdepends...
[03:59] <Vorbote> and apt-cache depends.
[03:59] <ptn107> cool
[04:00] <redheat> Hobbsee
[04:00] <majnoon> if too much coffee then it bathroom time
[04:00] <redheat> it worked thanks..
[04:00] <redheat> just one more help
[04:00] <stefg> Hobbsee: so the german mirror must just have synced....
[04:00] <Hobbsee> redheat: no problem
[04:00] <Hobbsee> stefg: no idea, i'm not german :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> stefg: but it may well have done
[04:01] <hetauma> in xorg.conf the inputdevice with driver "wacom" is what?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> tablet
[04:01] <majnoon> a touch pad iirr
[04:01] <hylje> drawing pad
[04:02] <stefg> Hobbsee: so australia must be last to sync , if you go by physical distance and bandwidth.... so i was just envious, you had the stuff already :-)
[04:02] <hetauma> so I guess I don't need it on my desktop right?
[04:02] <majnoon> nope it usually gives a warning
[04:02] <majnoon> it no hurt
[04:02] <Hobbsee> stefg: whoever said that the au mirror that i use hadnt synced, and whoever said that i was using the au mirror exclusively?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> stefg: i use 2 sets of mirrors, as i need the latest and greatest in terms of source packages and such.
[04:03] <majnoon> what country is cannonicol (sp) in ??
[04:03] <stefg> Hobbsee: by switching sources.list, or one fat sources.list with to sets of entries?
[04:04] <Vorbote> Has wxgtk broken with threading errors for anyone?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> stefg: the latter
[04:05] <Hobbsee> majnoon: it's registered to be in the isle of mann.  head office is in london.
[04:05] <hetauma> majnoon, (sp) ?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hetauma: unsure of spelling
[04:05] <majnoon> sp=spelling
[04:05] <bazhang> Man
[04:05] <hetauma> ahh!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> maniacmusician: canonical
[04:06] <majnoon> so uk mirrors prob be most up- to date
[04:06] <Assid> hey did openoffice 2.2.3 make it in gutsy
[04:06] <rothchild> I thought canonical were based in prague  for some reason?
[04:06] <Ominous> if we upgrade to gusty beta when gusty gets released will the change from beta to live be easy?
[04:06] <Assid> err.. 2.3
[04:07] <majnoon> probably
[04:07] <Assid> Ominous: dist-upgrade will do it
[04:07] <bazhang> Assid: hey!
[04:07] <Assid> hey bazhang
[04:08] <hetauma> majnoon, u simply choose main mirror
[04:08] <Assid> i normally use uk us and my country code
[04:09] <bazhang> Gutsy rocks.
[04:09] <majnoon> don't know it still upgrading
[04:09] <Assid> bazhang: ?
[04:09] <bazhang> *looks around for mod
[04:10] <bazhang> Assid: how's your Gutsy holding up?
[04:10] <Assid> removed it :(
[04:10] <bazhang> why
[04:10] <Assid> i use too many windows apps.. so i decided to just run it natively instead
[04:11] <bazhang> but you still plan on using Linux?
[04:11] <Assid> well.. my servers are all linux
[04:11] <Assid> all debian for that matter
[04:11] <bazhang> cool!
[04:11] <Assid> im thinking of loading up gutsy on my laptop tho
[04:11] <Assid> might just do it today
[04:12] <Assid> since im really in no mood to work
[04:12] <bazhang> it's nice, but watch out for the initial 300 updates..haha
[04:12] <Assid> i have a beta from 2007-09-21 .. im thinking of getting the newer beta before i start
[04:13] <bazhang> Assid: I think that's a tribe--then you are talking a thousand updates..
[04:13] <Assid> hehe
[04:13] <Assid> well.. my bandwith becomes cheaper post 9pm
[04:13] <Assid> its 7.45 now
[04:14] <bazhang> haha
[04:14] <bazhang> but you're going to waste all your time here instead..haha
[04:14] <bazhang> er I mean spend it productively here...
[04:18] <bintut> i'm running ubuntu gutsy amd64 here and i'm looking for a xen package for this distro and basically a similar to debian etch's xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64
[04:19] <bintut> what xen package then shall i install on gutsy? please advice. thanks.
[04:29] <scizzo-> hello everyone...is the nvidia module in gutsy broken?
[04:30] <bintut> scizzo-: what do you experience there?
[04:30] <scizzo-> bintut: kernel module
[04:30] <scizzo-> bintut: no kernel module found
[04:30] <bintut> scizzo-: i'm not sure on my side but my system keep on freezing
[04:30] <scizzo-> Linux psycho 2.6.22-12-server #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 19:25:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:30] <scizzo-> gah..that one is wrong
[04:30] <bintut> hhmmm.
[04:31] <scizzo-> bintut: at the gdm screen?
[04:32] <bintut> scizzo-: nope. after some time using this desktop, it just freezes
[04:32] <scizzo-> bintut: it seems that the last upgrade made the xorg go nuts....that it overwrite the xorg file I had
[04:32] <bintut> scizzo-: i don't know what's the problem here
[04:32] <ReL1K> anyones start menu and bar on top disappear after yesterdays updates?
[04:33] <scizzo-> bintut: not sure...it just doesn't find the kernel module here....hmmm maybe...hold on
[04:34] <scizzo-> might have found my problem
[04:34] <ReL1K> anyone know how to get the start menu and stuff back? :P
[04:35] <bazhang> ReL1K: yeah, two people were talking about it earlier today..arnath and someone else (forget who) they were going to file a bug report.
[04:35] <scizzo-> yes I found my problem....brb
[04:36] <ReL1K> bazhang: gotchya...doing more updates, will see if this fixes it
[04:36] <ReL1K> any idea how to manually add them back in the meantime?
[04:37] <Mahrellon> Hey, again, I'm currently reinstalling Ub-GG and I'm wondering if it's possible to update from any source with no broken packages?
[04:37] <bazhang> ReL1K: I think it's a bug for real--don't know if it's card related, or what--so far I've been spared..
[04:37] <bazhang> Mahrellon: as in ever?
[04:37] <ReL1K> bummer
[04:38] <Mahrellon> Well, my problem is that last nights updates sort of pwned my restricted-drivers-modules and some other stuff making my Ubuntu installation unusable so I'm reinstalling now and hoping to find some way to prevent it =)
[04:38] <Mahrellon> bazhang, only untill the real deal is out =)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: i think you want to wait until gutsy is released.
[04:39] <Mahrellon> Hey Hobbsee. It's really that bad eh? =(
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: no, just that you dont know what you're doing.
[04:39] <bazhang> Mahrellon: not at all!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: so for you, it'd be safer to wait until gutsy is released.
[04:40] <bazhang> get it now, and yes I know you will invoke 'works for me'; have at it!
[04:40] <Mahrellon> Hehe
[04:40] <Assid> actually te more people try a beta version.. the more chances of a good release
[04:40] <Mahrellon> There's really only one thing in GG that I really really need and that's DC++. Would it be possible to run Feisty and maby still grab the dc++ pack from GG?
[04:40] <bazhang> very true
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Assid: assuming they know what they're doing, and dont waste time with basic support questions.
[04:41] <Assid> Hobbsee: pretty much
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Assid: if htey're in here, asking questions like it's #ubuntu, and not filing good bug reports, they're not actually helping much
[04:41] <Assid> well.. if its a real bug.. then they can pointed to bug report
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Assid: it's not a bug.  it's something that happens every single time the kernel gets bumped up a version.  yet still people file stupid bugs about it.
[04:42] <Mahrellon> I do fill out bug-reports when I stumble upon something I'm absolutely sure it's a bug.
[04:42] <Mahrellon> But, my last question. Is it possible to import/install GG packages in FF?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: 'it depends'
[04:43] <Mahrellon> Wise guy :P
[04:43] <Mahrellon> :)
[04:43] <spr0k3t> so it's safe to reboot now that restricted is released... yes?
[04:43] <bazhang> Hobbsee: hi!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hi bazhang
[04:43] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: yes, assuming you have it installed
[04:43] <Mahrellon> spr0k3t, new restricted released today?
[04:43] <bazhang> sorry for my exuberance.
[04:44] <spr0k3t> ko, downloading now.
[04:44] <spr0k3t> thanks
[04:44] <Mahrellon> Hobbsee, My pardon. I thought you were a "guy" =)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:46] <bazhang> I'm changing my nick to install_Gutsy_now!!; too long?
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> Mahrellon: they did
[04:46] <Mahrellon> vmlinuz, YAY! Cheers m8. I'll stick with GG then. Thanks for saving my entire day m8
[04:46] <bazhang> Mahrellon: for nv cards?
[04:46] <bazhang> nvidia?
[04:46] <Mahrellon> bazhang, yeah, I have a 7950gt (NV)
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> Mahrellon: np, and its working perfectly
[04:46] <bintut> Mahrellon: what particular problem on nvidia?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> !stages
[04:47] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel  gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> there.
[04:47] <bazhang> Mahrellon: wow, that's a nice one. You'll enjoy Gutsy (only after a suitable time following the release, and not before).
[04:47] <Mahrellon> bintut, only that the package for restricted drivers was broken so I couldn't get glx (or anything related to it) to work. And I'm not hardcore enough to manually install drivers etc. I'm hoping to get there one day though =
[04:47] <Mahrellon> *=)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: NOTABUG.
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> I remember in feisty whenever i click on update manager, there wasn't really alot of updates, but in gutsy each day i click update manager and there are plenty of updates out there
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> interesting
[04:48] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz`: because it's still in development
[04:48] <Mahrellon> bazhang, hehe. I did enjoy it untill last night :)
[04:48] <bazhang> hahahaha
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> Hobbsee: yea, but sometimes updating requires a system restart
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> which i dislike
[04:48] <bintut> mine is a geforce 7600gt. what i am experiencing here and maybe it's related to the nvidia driver but i'm not sure that my system freezes after sometime
[04:48] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz`: well, duh.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz`: kernels do that.
[04:49] <Assid> you know compiz fusion just drops the fps big time
[04:49] <bazhang> bintut: very nice.
[04:49] <minimec> vmlinuz`: I agree with you. To much kernel updates...
[04:49] <Mahrellon> It's true. It's worked like a charm until those damn broken packs came down with the updates. Anyhow, thanks to the lot of you guys! I'll probably be back later. Thanks you all.
[04:49] <Assid> i tried it out earlier with my 8600GTS card
[04:49] <Assid> and it dropped by 1/2
[04:49] <KevlarSoul> I installed Ubuntu , it created a new partition, everything seemed to setup nicely, I rebooted, and it went to windows like I didnt install anything else? No Dual boot choice? I use Vista....anyone?
[04:49] <bazhang> what's a good game for (on topic, nothing to see here) Gutsy, as far as frames per second type game?
[04:49] <mmkassem> vmlinuz`: but it does not force to reboot, you can just reboot when you want.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> minimec: this is the firs tone in...a month, iirc?
[04:49] <Assid> KevlarSoul: sounds very similar
[04:49] <Assid> grub didnt install right
[04:49] <vmlinuz`> mmkassem: true
[04:50] <KevlarSoul> Assid, I assume.
[04:50] <minimec> Hobbsee: You mean the first one this month? ;)
[04:50] <KevlarSoul> Assid, no dual boot at all.
[04:50] <Assid> hrmm
[04:50] <KevlarSoul> Assid I checked the hard drive, and the partition is good.
[04:50] <Assid> weird
[04:51] <Assid> you didnt load it onto another drive by mistake did you
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> I loaded it onto another drive than the windows O/S
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> yes
[04:51] <Assid> well
[04:51] <Assid> then you need to boot onto that drive
[04:51] <bazhang> KevlarSoul: I'm guessing that's it an issue with GRUB, the bootloader.
[04:51] <Assid> as your primary boot device
[04:51] <Hobbsee> minimec: oh hmm, last kernel update which you had to reboot for was sept 16
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> Ahh
[04:51] <bintut> bazhang: what do you mean by very nice?
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> Well the only way I can do that is to set that in the bios
[04:52] <Assid> im guessing thats where your bootable partition is
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> right
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> I would have hoped the grub dual boot would have known that
[04:52] <Assid> pretty much.. or press F8 during bios boot to get a boot menu on the fly
[04:52] <Assid> Hobbsee: getting too geekiotic ?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> people are determined to declare the archive broken, when it's just their understanding of the way the world works that is faulty.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Assid: not really - just sick of explaining the same stuff over, and people not listening
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> So, anytime I want to use linux I should boot to the other hard drive
[04:52] <minimec> Hobbsee: hmmm... Problably I have to much gutsy installations to update...
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> not really very user friendly
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Assid: so hopefully people will look at that factoid
[04:53] <bazhang> bintut: well, at the risk of raising someone's ire, the system is very smooth, and if you have a good, reaaally good graphics card--as you do, then the effects, the total experience will blow you away, or something like that. But only after it has been released.
[04:53] <Assid> add it to the bots
[04:53] <rothchild> what permissions should a users home folder have?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Assid: already done.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Assid: already added to the topic, too
[04:53] <Assid> hrmm k
[04:54] <Assid> Hobbsee: just keep your trigger finger ready ;)
[04:54] <rothchild> !stages
[04:54] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> I thought GRUB or , maybe is there another boot loader I could use? , I thought those programs found the O/S on other hard drives
[04:54] <bazhang> haha
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> Can I edit the boot inin
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> boot ini
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> program manually?
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> in winblows?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> !grub | KevlarSoul
[04:54] <ubotu> KevlarSoul: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:55] <bintut> bazhang: i see.. :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: first link
[04:55] <scizzo-> weee fixed my X
[04:55] <scizzo-> :D
[04:55] <Assid> people should just use multiple mirrors
[04:55] <bazhang> bintut: cool..only eleven more days...
[04:55] <bazhang> yes!
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Assid: lots more people on the main mirror that way, though.
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> Thanks
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Assid: better for them to just slowly update, and learn to be patient.
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> but wait
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> Now that I think about it
[04:55] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: no idea if that covers vista
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> I could use the Dual boot with vista
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> right?
[04:56] <bintut> bazhang: i'm already running gutsy here.. but wondering this freezing up my system from time to time
[04:56] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: should do, if vista handles it
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> hrmm
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> have to find out if I can edit the boot ini
[04:56] <Assid> Hobbsee: yeah but it would prioritize and jump too right ?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: if it doesnt, then you'll have to whine to MS
[04:56] <bazhang> bintut: really high resolution?
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> yeah
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> I know
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> not looking forward to that
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: yeah, to some degree.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: sometimes apt is stupid
[04:58] <redheat> guys
[04:58] <redheat> hi again..
[04:58] <redheat> does ubuntu support scanners?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> some of htem
[04:58] <minimec> redheat: all the sane scanners.
[04:58] <KevlarSoul> oh Vista doesnt have a boot.ini
[04:58] <KevlarSoul> great
[04:58] <redheat> you mean the lunatic ones
[04:58] <redheat> are not supported
[04:58] <bazhang> KevlarSoul: when I dual boot, I always install the system I want least first, then Ubuntu; it is a really good neighbor; Vista, not so much.
[04:58] <redheat> damn
[04:59] <rothchild> what permissions should a users home folder have, I can't boot in to my old username cos xsession can't create folders or a ~/.gnome2 dir
[04:59] <redheat> I have an hp flatbed scanner
[04:59] <KevlarSoul> I installed vista first, then Ubunut
[04:59] <bazhang> redheat: how old?
[04:59] <KevlarSoul> Ubuntu
[04:59] <redheat> 3770
[04:59] <redheat> like 3 to 4 years old
[04:59] <minimec> redheat: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html
[05:00] <bazhang> redheat: HP stuff generally is really well supported. Don't know about that model, but you could run the liveCD and see if it gets/recognizes it.
[05:00] <bazhang> redheat: in Linux, that is (really well supported).
[05:00] <redheat> you know I thought when you said sane, you were kidding..there's a project calld sane scanners..?
[05:00] <redheat> ok
[05:00] <bintut> bazhang: yes. 24 @ 1440x900
[05:01] <Assid> Hobbsee: is uk one of the primaries ?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Assid: mirrors?  no
[05:01] <redheat> one last question, do we need to automatix in gutsy gibbon, and does it support it? and is it true that most of the applications that automatix used to grab will be included in future releases of ubuntu
[05:01] <bazhang> bintut: I tried my nvidia card at 2000 something by 1400 or 1600 something and it ran for a while, then blam--so I eased it down to 1200 something by 900 something.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Assid: there's only one primary mirror
[05:01] <Hobbsee> !automatix | redheat
[05:01] <ubotu> redheat: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> redheat: you dont need it, you dont want it.
[05:02] <aka_youtube> join #ubuntu+1
[05:02] <aka_youtube> Hi
[05:02] <Assid> i;ll prolly update the sources.list to get from us uk and sg
[05:02] <bintut> bazhang: what do you mean by blam?
[05:02] <Assid> since india's mirror is just theoretical
[05:02] <aka_youtube> I have this weird update-manager bug...
[05:02] <redheat> ok..just fyi I used it through the previous release and it never broke or caused me anything at all
[05:02] <bazhang> redheat: need for Automatix at all.  blam as in crashed.
[05:03] <bazhang> oops no need.
[05:03] <bintut> bazhang: maybe this is what i'm experiencing.. but mine is freeze
[05:03] <aka_youtube> update-manager keeps removing my linux-restricted-modules...-generic file and I have to reinstall it manually
[05:03] <bazhang> bintut: well yes, as in can
[05:04] <bazhang> not use the computer, need hard re-start (sorry about the premature enter, new keyboard).
[05:04] <redheat> ok Hobbsee, I went over to compizfusion and posted a question about KDE and still waiting for their answer
[05:04] <redheat> anyhow, thank you all for your support and help guys/gals, truely appreciated
[05:04] <Assid> hrmm i wonder how well the mobility radeon will scale w/ compiz
[05:05] <arnath> Hobbsee: i got internet working again on my linux computer, i isntalled another network card on it
[05:05] <bintut> bazhang: i see. that's what i am experiencing here. my system just freezes from time to time and i have to hard reboot my system
[05:05] <piotr_> !stages
[05:05] <bintut> bazhang: but the compiz+fusion here is perfectly working
[05:05] <arnath> Hobbsee: is it normal that i have no eth0 thought?
[05:05] <aka_youtube> am i the only one with this update-manager bug?
[05:05] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> arnath: yeah
[05:05] <arnath> Hobbsee: they changed this in gutsy?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> aka_youtube: depends what it is...
[05:06] <Hobbsee> arnath: it's a bug.  it's now been fixed.
[05:06] <arnath> Hobbsee: so if i do an upgrade, it should be back?
[05:06] <aka_youtube> it removes my restricted (video drivers) module when it updates
[05:06] <aka_youtube> ...and I have to reinstall manually
[05:06] <Hobbsee> arnath: it'll probably stay that way now
[05:06] <Hobbsee> aka_youtube: please see !stages
[05:06] <arnath> Hobbsee: that...sux... :|
[05:06] <arnath> Hobbsee: would a reinstall fix it? (with latest gutsy then)
[05:07] <aka_youtube> !stages
[05:07] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> arnath: yes, if you're desperate enough to
[05:07] <arnath> Hobbsee: not atm, but if it dies again...
[05:07] <aka_youtube> thx hobbsee
[05:07] <spr0k3t> hmm, still having some problems with sound, anyone interested in helping?
[05:07] <ReL1K> darn it, even after the latest updates, my start menu and menu bar on top are gone
[05:07] <ReL1K> does anyone know how to re-add them?
[05:08] <arnath> Hobbsee: whats the difference between an upgrade then and reinstalling the new version? there must be a way to get the same effect without reinstalling, no?
[05:08] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: click in that area where the bar should be.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> arnath: i dont know the innards of udev and busybox anywhere near well enough to be able to answer that.
[05:08] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: just get the normal change desktop background etc. stuff
[05:09] <spr0k3t> hmm... checking
[05:09] <ReL1K> latest updates hosed my start menu and stuff, anyone know if its been posted?
[05:12] <spr0k3t> no bugs posted for gnome-panel
[05:12] <Hobbsee> check under compiz
[05:13] <ReL1K> dont have it running
[05:13] <ReL1K> and if i run gnome-panel, says its already running
[05:13] <rothchild> when I do ls -l what does the number between the permissions and the usr / grp represent?
[05:14] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: do a "killall gnome-panel"
[05:15] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: do that, if i run gnome panel, says its still running
[05:15] <ReL1K> heh this sucks :P
[05:15] <redheat> guys hi again
[05:15] <spr0k3t> it should start gnome-panel when the task is killed.
[05:15] <mmkassem> rothchild: number of items inside the folder, 1 if a file ..
[05:15] <spr0k3t> do you have any other panels?
[05:16] <bazhang> redheat: hi!
[05:16] <ReL1K> gotchya..still no menu then
[05:16] <ReL1K> nope, no panels at all spr0k3t
[05:16] <redheat> I know you're gonna pull your hair because of my questions, assuming there's any left
[05:16] <redheat> my question is about the sound device
[05:16] <rothchild> thanks mmkassem
[05:16] <redheat> I have a built in realtek sound device on my gigabyte ga-965p-ds3, now under devices I found two devices
[05:17] <humbolto> what do I need to do to make googleearth work well on compiz-fusion AIGLX nvidia?
[05:17] <redheat> intel HD, and realtek..which one to use, especially on gigabyte's website,
[05:17] <redheat> ok one of them has oss mixer next to it the other has alsa mixer which one to choose
[05:17] <ReL1K> anyone else go tany ideas?
[05:18] <Assid> humbolto: a good gfx card?
[05:18] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: what happens when you restart X? just curious
[05:19] <humbolto> Assid: works well without compiz active.
[05:19] <humbolto> stutters with compiz
[05:19] <ReL1K> ive restarted a couple times, nada
[05:19] <spr0k3t> humbolto: how big is your display and how much ram do you have on the card?
[05:19] <humbolto> Do I need the Composite Extension being enables_
[05:19] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: checking another option, hang on.
[05:20] <humbolto> spr0k3t: Nvidia TurboCache, I suppose there is only very little or no physical RAM at all on the card.
[05:20] <ReL1K> alt f2 works for me
[05:20] <Assid> humbolto: should help
[05:20] <spr0k3t> humbolto: screen resolution?
[05:20] <Assid> humbolto: also opengl just goes slower with compiz active
[05:21] <humbolto> spr0k3t: 1280x800
[05:22] <spr0k3t> I'm thinking he's tapped out his buffered range.  I can't view a video in full screen on my system as it goes blank... when I turn off compositing, I can view it across all three monitors without any problems.
[05:22] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: is there a way to add the menu's manually somewherE?
[05:22] <ReL1K> like in xfce, can just right click add a menu..wondering if they just got deleted or something?
[05:22] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: yeah, I think... I'm looking into that.
[05:22] <redheat> bazhang any ideas?
[05:23] <DM|> anyone there?
[05:23] <DM|> making sure im connected...
[05:23] <savvas> no
[05:23] <spr0k3t> don't know... I'm over here
[05:23] <DM|> Did anyone elses update bork restricted drivers?
[05:23] <savvas> :)
[05:23] <savvas> yep
[05:23] <Hobbsee> DM|: /topic
[05:23] <savvas> you and a big dozen
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !stages
[05:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:24] <spr0k3t> yeah, I rolled it back to -12
[05:24] <redheat> guys, does anyone know which sound card to use?
[05:24] <DM|> im running at 640x400 or something.. I cant hardly read my screen sorry
[05:24] <humbolto> what is it with the Composite Extension in xorg.conf? Do I need it for compiz? What do I need it for?
[05:24] <spr0k3t> Hobbsee has it.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: no, i dont.
[05:24] <spr0k3t> hehehe
[05:24] <redheat> I have an intel HD OSS mixer and a realtek alsa mixer which one?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: everyone who has it has a nvidia or ati card, and uses a restricted driver
[05:25] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: although i got hit by the lack of wifi (same cause)
[05:25] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: docs on gnome-panel are rather limited.
[05:25] <ReL1K> guess im pretty much hosed then heh
[05:25] <spr0k3t> Hobbsee: I got hit by both... it was about five minutes before I got it sorted out.
[05:25] <Suurorca> redheat: if you got the a new intel hda audio chip, I for one had to compile alsa-drivers to get the dman thing work
[05:26] <redheat> Surrorca, it works for me with no compiling whatsoever
[05:26] <spr0k3t> I'm going to try my other system ReL1K, can you give me your uname -r
[05:26] <redheat> http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2456
[05:26] <Suurorca> then I suppose you got an older chip then the HP laptop I bought last week ;)
[05:26] <humbolto> Uups, just crashed compiz.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: it's a lesson to buy free hardware.
[05:26] <ReL1K> 2.6.22-13-generic
[05:26] <spr0k3t> k, when did you update?
[05:27] <ReL1K> i just updated recently, like 20 mins ago hoping it would fix the start menu issue, but i last updated yesterday around 5:00PM then shut it down
[05:27] <ReL1K> can i revert to a previous verison of gnome panel?
[05:27] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: k, going to try a couple tricks... ati, nvidia, or intel graphics?
[05:28] <ReL1K> intel graphics
[05:28] <ReL1K> gm965
[05:28] <spr0k3t> k... brb
[05:28] <spr0k3t> cool, got that chipset in one of the systems.
[05:29] <ReL1K> cool beans, thanks
[05:29] <bazhang> redheat: sorry! was away for a few...still having troubles?
[05:30] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: 64bit yes?
[05:30] <ReL1K> nope
[05:30] <ReL1K> 32
[05:30] <spr0k3t> k
[05:30] <redheat> I don't know the sound comes and goes
[05:30] <redheat> I don't know why
[05:30] <savvas> check your wires
[05:30] <redheat> did you have a look at my motherboard, and please no need for apology, I'm so sorry for bothering you all with my question
[05:33] <humbolto> is gutsy restarting compiz when it crashes?
[05:34] <Konam> hi
[05:34] <darrend> I'm getting browser crashes with both firefox and iceape on print-preview.  on any page.  anyone else?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> oh yay.  who was this person who filed a bug?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> !stages
[05:36] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Stephanvaningen.  not on irc apparently
[05:36] <DM|_> ok so i got my graphics card working again.. but i cant seem to get my resolution back. Doesnt the new Xorg clobber your settings? if so is there a backup somewhere i can replace?
[05:37] <chrissturm> hey, how is that feature called that suggests installing a package when a command is not found, and how do i enable it for zsh?
[05:39] <Konam> What is Visual (is in preferences-->sessions)?
[05:40] <savvas> Konam: sexy window jiggles
[05:40] <savvas> the world calls it 'compiz' :)
[05:41] <Starcraftmazter> lol
[05:41] <Konam> oh, i'm going to deactivate it :)
[05:41] <KevlarSoul> OKAY
[05:41] <Konam> savvas i'm having problems with the color of the background when i'm login
[05:41] <KevlarSoul> I found a fix
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> If you want to Add Ubuntu to your VISTA boot loader
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> use a free program called "EasyBCD"
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> EasyBCD is a gui front end to the boot sector of windows
[05:42] <Hobbsee> (eww, vista.)
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> it natively searches for LInux installs and puts them in the dual boot
[05:42] <Konam> savvas do you have any idea of what's causing this problem?
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> Im amazed at how simple it was.
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> So
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> Voila.
[05:42] <Konam> i have all the updates
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> EasyBCD
[05:43] <savvas> Konam: nope
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> believe me, more and more people have Vista installed on the computers they buy
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> this will continue to popup
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> EasyBCD you can point to the drive you installed the ubuntu on...
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> and it creates the dual boot entry.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: please document it on the first link on !grub
[05:44] <ReL1K> anyone missing the gnome panel after updates?
[05:44] <KevlarSoul> I dont know how to do that?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: it's a wiki
[05:45] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: you can edit it
[05:45] <hylje> hm what package brings in mercurial (hg)?
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> ahh
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> Well
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> okay
[05:45] <hylje> nvm
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> It says I have to login
[05:45] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: yes.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> so get an account.
[05:46] <KevlarSoul> ugh.
[05:47] <KevlarSoul> if you have an account just copypasta!
[05:48] <ReL1K> alright, good luck on beta guys im switching back to slackware :p
[05:48] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: might be useful for you to get an account - then you can document other things youv'e found - and report bugs.
[05:49] <savvas> ReL1K: we'll miss you :p
[05:49] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: looks like I gotta do the alternate install
[05:49] <ratpoison> so what's new on the 2.6.22.113 problem with video cards?
[05:49] <hylje> !stages
[05:49] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:49] <rothchild> ReL1k have you tried minimising something and then clicking where the bar should be?
[05:49] <ratpoison> 113 = 13 obv
[05:50] <rothchild> makes it re-appear for me
[05:50] <ReL1K> savvas: righttt :P
[05:50] <ReL1K> rothchild: yepper
[05:50] <ReL1K> nada
[05:50] <KevlarSoul> Hobbsee okay okay, im doing it :)
[05:50] <ReL1K> when i minimize something, its almost like its goign to the very bottom right corner
[05:50] <ReL1K> its strange
[05:51] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: have you deleted your config file for the gnome-panel?
[05:51] <savvas> ReL1K: what happened? gnome panel missing?
[05:51] <rothchild> Ihave it at first boot on my i810 lappie but moment I use anything it appears
[05:51] <ReL1K> no, how do i do that?
[05:51] <ReL1K> savvas: yea
[05:51] <ReL1K> not invisible
[05:51] <ReL1K> missing
[05:51] <savvas> ReL1K: alt-f2 killall gnome-panel
[05:51] <ReL1K> savvas, tried it
[05:51] <ReL1K> no go
[05:51] <savvas> then you must've deleted it or something
[05:51] <ratpoison> try double-clicking the space where your panel should be
[05:52] <ReL1K> the only thing that i did yesterday was apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:52] <ratpoison> for some reason, it seemed to work for me (discovered it by pure chance)
[05:52] <ReL1K> shut my computer down and turned it back on
[05:52] <ReL1K> ratpoison: tried that too, appreciate it
[05:52] <ReL1K> no luck
[05:53] <spr0k3t> hmm... I can't find where the config file is.  anyone know where to find it?
[05:54] <spr0k3t> for gnome-panel that is.
[05:54] <luca> hi
[05:54] <ReL1K> ~/.gconf/apps/panel
[05:54] <ReL1K> just removed it and reset it to default
[05:54] <ReL1K> nada
[05:54] <ratpoison> savvas: about the fglrx thingy: I opened restricted manager, and checked / unchecked (without reboot inbetween) the box that prompts for the use of fglrx. Will it be ok after I reboot?
[05:54] <luca> am I th only one for whom the daily updates have broken dual-core and Nvidia support?
[05:54] <spr0k3t> k, was worth a shot.
[05:55] <spr0k3t> luca: nope... it was a common issue
[05:55] <luca> it is I fear
[05:55] <savvas> ratpoison: probably, if not, then the restricted modules haven't arrived yet
[05:55] <ReL1K> anyone know where the user add menu is at?
[05:55] <ratpoison> how bout gconf-editor
[05:55] <ReL1K> the name of it?
[05:55] <luca> as modern as today :(
[05:55] <ratpoison> is it there?
[05:55] <ReL1K> without the start menu
[05:55] <ReL1K> guess i can useradd
[05:55] <ratpoison> try alt+f2 gconf-editor
[05:55] <luca> is there any way to fix the problem, besides waiting for a new update?
[05:56] <ratpoison> it's a graphical tool
[05:56] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: can you do alt+f1 by any chance?
[05:56] <spr0k3t> luca: it should be fixed... have you updated yet?
[05:56] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: yea but it brings down a white menu
[05:56] <ReL1K> nothing in it
[05:56] <spr0k3t> oh how odd
[05:56] <luca> spr0k3t today's update broke it
[05:56] <ratpoison> white menu? that seems kinda susicious
[05:57] <savvas> ReL1K: try to restart gdm. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:57] <ratpoison> try alt+f2 metacity --replace
[05:57] <ratpoison> (if you use compiz fusion that is)
[05:57] <luca> first ratpoison advice I guess :)
[05:57] <SuperQ> man, the keyboard shortcut stuff in gutsy is anoying
[05:57] <ReL1K> not using compiz
[05:57] <spr0k3t> luca: give me your uname -r
[05:57] <luca> a moment
[05:57] <spr0k3t> SuperQ: ?
[05:57] <SuperQ> spr0k3t: too many things controlling their own shortcuts
[05:58] <luca> spr0k3t: 2.6.22.13-386
[05:58] <spr0k3t> SuperQ: ah, that I have to agree with.  but it's the same in most other operating systems...
[05:58] <SuperQ> spr0k3t: I noticed a new one: the search thing that is turned on by default now captures Alt-F3
[05:58] <savvas> ReL1K: have you tried to restart the desktop manager? the command is safer than the ctrl-alt-baskspace shortcut
[05:58] <SuperQ> spr0k3t: but isn't listed in gnome-keybinding-properties
[05:58] <spr0k3t> luca: which graphics card are you using?
[05:59] <ratpoison> Was altf3 used for anything else?
[05:59] <SuperQ> ratpoison: not that I'm awareof
[05:59] <nox-Hand> How do I make it install that version? The olde3r one
[05:59] <luca> spr0k3t: nvidia geforce 7300go, driver nvidia-glx-new
[05:59] <nox-Hand> I want an older version of ffmpeg installed
[05:59] <SuperQ> ratpoison: but I normally assign Alt F1-F4 to desktop switching
[05:59] <savvas> SuperQ: system > prefs > keyboard shortcuts.. happy editing :p
[05:59] <luca> I have installed also the nvidia-new-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common
[05:59] <nox-Hand> * ffmpeg  0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu4+medibuntu2
[05:59] <SuperQ> savvas: that's the problem
[05:59] <nox-Hand> But there is newer in apt
[05:59] <spr0k3t> SuperQ: odd, I would think f3 by itself would have something to do with search... but oh well.
[05:59] <nox-Hand> How do I make it use older?
[05:59] <ReL1K> savvas, rebooted a few times... gonna try something else
[06:00] <ReL1K> gonna add a user and try loading that profile, see if its mine that is hosed
[06:00] <SuperQ> savvas: the search box is not in gnome-keybinding-properties
[06:00] <pvandewyngaerde> i have an error with d3lphin, it trys to save bookmarks at closing, but that given an error
[06:00] <ratpoison> rebooting u guys and back in a sec
[06:00] <SuperQ> savvas: also, a lot of the compiz settings are not
[06:00] <pvandewyngaerde> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/pvandewyngaerde/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Toegang geweigerd. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[06:00] <savvas> SuperQ: the desktop switching is ctrl-alt-right or left
[06:01] <SuperQ> savvas: and are not editable without compiz manager
[06:01] <SuperQ> savvas: yes, that's the default
[06:01] <minimec> SuperQ: And if this was a Nautilus Key-Binding and you could find it in the nautilus section of gconf-editor?
[06:01] <savvas> SuperQ: the compiz settings are in the manager, compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:01] <bazhang> savvas: heya
[06:02] <ReL1K> spr0k3t/savvas, if i create a new user, start menu loads fine, must be my user account that is hosed
[06:02] <luca> any suggestion to recover nvidia and dual-core?
[06:02] <savvas> hi bazhang, you left before, and I can't remember what I wanted to say :p
[06:02] <ReL1K> there anyway to reinstall gnome settings to default on a profile?
[06:02] <savvas> ReL1K: go safe mode, see if there's something in the sessions
[06:02] <SuperQ> savvas: yes, and compizconfig-settings-manager is not installed by default
[06:02] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: that's good to know... make a backup of your .configs and restart
[06:03] <savvas> SuperQ: you can always install it.
[06:03] <SuperQ> savvas: I did ;)
[06:03] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: do i just delete the .configs (back them up first) then relaunch it?
[06:03] <savvas> then why are you complaining?! :P
[06:03] <savvas> you have the tools to change the shortcuts
[06:03] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: yeah, ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:03] <SuperQ> I'm trying to argue for usability for the non-power-user
[06:04] <SuperQ> which is why my next statement is: minimec: gconf-editor is not a valid solution for non-power-users
[06:04] <SuperQ> I think this is not something Ubuntu can fix on it's own either
[06:04] <bazhang> savvas: I forget too, haha
[06:04] <minimec> SuperQ: I agree with you... and ... it's not there ;)
[06:04] <SuperQ> this needs to be pushed upstream to Gnome
[06:04] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: thanks for the help, that did it
[06:05] <SuperQ> anything that captures global keybindings must be registered in the keybindings manager
[06:05] <ReL1K> removed the configs
[06:05] <ReL1K> restarted X
[06:05] <clusty> there was a proggie allowing to scan wireless networks, but cant remember name
[06:05] <ReL1K> all back to normal
[06:05] <KevlarSoul> Okay I edited the page
[06:05] <KevlarSoul> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:05] <KevlarSoul> I added the info on Vista
[06:05] <ReL1K> savvas: thanks as well
[06:05] <syke> hi
[06:05] <minimec> SuperQ: e17 uses the 'advanced user' policy with a button to make visible all the options. I like that...
[06:05] <syke> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and I have to kill udevd which takes up 70% of CPU spitting out these messages:
[06:05] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:05] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[06:06] <SuperQ> minimec: yea, I'm a fan of that UI model
[06:06] <majnoon> i love my radio card
[06:06] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: good to hear!
[06:06] <savvas> SuperQ: I believe that you'll get right on top of it to document your proposal for new key bindings/shortcut keys :) looking forward to read it
[06:06] <syke> how do I stop it trying to load dm-linear, and why did the upgrade cause this to happen?
[06:06] <syke> any help is greatly appreciated!
[06:06] <SuperQ> savvas: hehe
[06:07] <SuperQ> savvas: yea yea, I should
[06:07] <SuperQ> savvas: where should I register my proposal
[06:07] <savvas> try blueprints :P
[06:07] <SuperQ> ok
[06:07] <savvas> or the ubuntu forums
[06:08] <savvas> or.. the gnome.org ;)
[06:08] <SuperQ> heh
[06:08] <syke> is there an IRC channel for people who have paid canonical for support?
[06:08] <savvas> syke: you paid?
[06:08] <syke> savvas: yup, about a year ago
[06:09] <syke> I'm due for renewal next month :)
[06:09] <LjL> syke, i don't think there is an IRC channels, there are other means of support
[06:09] <LjL> !support
[06:09] <ratpoison> well update, on my experience with today's update. if you upgrade, reboot and your compiz fusion with ati & xgl doesn't work you can: either boot from the 2.6.22.12 kenrel OR check / uncheck the box on your restricted driver manager and reboot. everything will be working flawlessly
[06:09] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:09] <savvas> syke: I don't think gutsy is available as an option
[06:09] <savvas> read the /topic
[06:09] <syke> savvas: I was told to try gutsy to see if my bcm43xx chipset is supported better
[06:09] <savvas> syke: it's still BETA
[06:10] <bazhang> syke: wireless?
[06:10] <syke> I've had kubuntu since dapper and it has never worked with wpa2 on my chipset
[06:10] <savvas> i believe it means it's a public test release
[06:10] <syke> baz: yes
[06:10] <syke> sav: no need to be insulting, you know :(
[06:10] <SuperQ> yay! linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic finally exists :)
[06:10] <rothchild> broadcom wireless has been a PITA for some time
[06:11] <rothchild> skye have you tried ndiswrapper?
[06:11] <syke> I know, but my support person thinks it should work now
[06:11] <ChildX> is Flash installed by default in Gutsy?
[06:11] <savvas> syke: no offense, I'm just trying to tell you that the paid support doesn't cover probably the 7.10 gutsy gibbon beta release
[06:11] <syke> yes, but it slows down and stops working after a while when I use WPA2
[06:11] <syke> WEP (or no encryption) works fine
[06:12] <Aondo> ChildX  free the source, and it will :D
[06:12] <ratpoison> is there some nettiquette that you are aware of, about how many apt-get update 's you can do per day? e.g. in gentoo you are requested to use emerge --sync no more frequently than 1/day
[06:12] <minimec> syke: If Gutsy is not your first Ubuntu installation, you can try an installation. If not... wait two weeks.
[06:12] <LjL> ChildX: there is a spec to make *free* flash default.
[06:12] <syke> savvas: when the support person suggests I try upgrading, I do it. it actually helped for an issue I was having in edgy and allowed them to make sure siimlar issues were fixed before edgy was released
[06:12] <clusty> !stages
[06:12] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[06:13] <ratpoison> syke: we are not support personsL you should be aware that we are users like you
[06:13] <syke> ubotu: I've been seeing these udevd messages ever since I upgraded a week ago
[06:13] <syke> ha, talkin to the bot
[06:13] <clusty> :D
[06:13] <syke> ratpoison: I understand :)
[06:13] <ChildX> guys, in which directory are the wallpaper files of Ubuntu gutsy?
[06:13] <DM|> whats the command for setting resolution via terminal
[06:14] <ChildX> the default ones that is
[06:14] <ratpoison> in your home I think
[06:14] <DM|> !resolution
[06:14] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:14] <majnoon> syke, you only need to worry when it talks back ] 
[06:14] <ratpoison> at least my swiftweasel puts them there
[06:14] <syke> minimec: on this laptop, I used gentoo for 2 years and then installed dapper. i've upgraded to edgy and feisty since then.
[06:14] <ChildX> ratpoison, swiftweasel?
[06:14] <syke> anyways
[06:14] <ChildX> are you refering to your brother perhaps? :)
[06:14] <syke> my udevd floods with these messags:
[06:14] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[06:14] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:15] <syke> any idea how I can fix it?
[06:15] <savvas> ChildX: google is our friend :p
[06:15] <Suurorca> yeah I get a lot of those, too :P
[06:15] <minimec> syke: As an advanced user you will have no problem with a gutsy installation... Believe me ;)
[06:15] <Suurorca> retarded back to old kernel since I was too tired to deal with it now :P
[06:15] <ratpoison> ChildX: swiftweasel = an optimised version of firefox. i THINK that it has also another name to avoid some licencing issues and make it in essence more free than firefox, but I don't speak much legalese to tell you more
[06:15] <syke> it basically works the same as feisty, except for this udevd issue
[06:16] <syke> those messages spin on forever, udevd takes up 70% of the CPU, and fills the disk with log messages
[06:16] <syke> minimec: it beats installing slackware 96 off of floppies ;)
[06:17] <ratpoison> ChildX: my 64bit OS would JUST NOT run the mozilla java plugin, and I then I came accross a script that installs swiftweasel that JUST WORKS with blackdown java (the working java plugin for 64bit OS)
[06:17] <savvas> syke: can you do this and post it on http://pastebin.ca - do: lspci -nv
[06:17] <minimec> syke: I admit that my gentoo experience was rather painfull. I preferred slackware.
[06:17] <majnoon> next step after upgrade,see if can stream from my radio card
[06:18] <ratpoison> seemes I pressed the X button by mistake
[06:18] <ratpoison> :)
[06:18] <majnoon> oops ??
[06:18] <ChildX> guys, in which directory are the wallpaper files of Ubuntu gutsy?
[06:18] <savvas> !
[06:18] <savvas> ah it
[06:18] <majnoon> hmmm
[06:19] <savvas> it's that dude that cursed
[06:19] <Pusur> I now have 3 different kernels, plus the recoverys in the GRUB. How do I remove atleast 1?
[06:19] <majnoon> INTERESTING question there Pusur
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Pusur - edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst and set the # to show is what i do. i set it to be 4
[06:19] <syke> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/727997
[06:19] <rothchild> Pusur use synaptic and uninstall the unwanted ones
[06:19] <Assid> okay i dont mind helping out a few downloads
[06:20] <Assid> i got 1TB of bandwith in excess i am not using
[06:20] <syke> minimec: gentoo was great for me, worked better on my laptop and my husband's desktop than any other distro. it just seemed to atrophe quality-wise over time
[06:20] <savvas> Pusur: I'd suggest you leave them there for now, in case something bad happens
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> I agree with Savvas... leave them there for now. :)
[06:21] <majnoon> there lotsa time i needed older kernel to fix stuffs
[06:21] <syke> minimec: my husband still uses gentoo. once he got the combo printer/scanner/fax working, that was all he cared about ;)
[06:21] <savvas> syke: oops sorry, do that again with: lspci -nnv
[06:22] <majnoon> couple semi-noob questions #1 kernel ver change in gutsy ? #2 does it automatically download sources if yes ??
[06:22] <savvas> syke: and lsusb since we're there :P
[06:22] <minimec> syke: It was indeed the fastest Linux I had on my Laptop, but it was a pain for me to maintain...
[06:22] <bsm> hi, I'm running kubuntu with latest upgrades and cannot run openoffice.org... ** (process:7264): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...
[06:22] <xbehave> i have na problem with an encrypted root install!where should i go for help?
[06:23] <bsm> anyone able to run openoffice?
[06:23] <syke> savvas: lsusb shows basically nothing
[06:23] <syke> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/727999
[06:23] <VousDeux> I'm not sure I understand the relationship, but my xorg.conf has sections in it for wacom for a tablet pc. I don't have a tablet pc, so I try to delete these sections. When I reboot, I cannot connect to my WLAN. I restore the previous xorg.conf and the WLAN works again. Can anyone explain this to me?
[06:23] <minimec> bsm: yes
[06:24] <VousDeux> !xorg.conf
[06:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:24] <bsm> minimec: do you have a nvidia card?
[06:24] <savvas> syke: your ethernet connection works, but your wireless doesn't?
[06:24] <minimec> bsm: 7600 GS with nvidia-new twinmode, wm e17
[06:25] <bsm> minimec and are you running 2.3.0-1ubuntu2?
[06:25] <syke> savvas: correct. the wireless works in some configurations, just not WPA2.
[06:25] <syke> it starts to get encryption errors after a while and then just stops working
[06:25] <ratpoison> ChildX: isn't it in your home?
[06:26] <syke> savvas: I'd like to fix the udevd messages first, though. right now I have to kill udevd from a tty when I first log in or else it eats up all CPU and disk
[06:26] <ratpoison> it is in mine?
[06:26] <minimec> bsm: how do I get the vesion number with apt-cache search? ;)
[06:26] <ratpoison> (strike the " ? " )
[06:26] <daubers> Hey all, I've been trying to install gutsy-server on a Pentium M laptop, and the kernel panics saying the processor is too old for this kernel. How do I rectify this?
[06:26] <LjL> minimec: you don't, you need to show the package info
[06:26] <ratpoison> ChildX: did you run Firefox as root by any chance?
[06:26] <bsm> minimec dpkg -l | grep openoffice.org-base does it for me ;)
[06:26] <LjL> ratpoison, childx is e
[06:26] <LjL> gone
[06:26] <ratpoison> ...
[06:27] <bsm> minimec and which reps did you use for e17?
[06:27] <minimec> bsm: 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu2
[06:28] <bsm> minimec: thanks. damn.
[06:28] <bsm> :)
[06:28] <minimec> bsm: I switches to dunnewald. cvs was to much changes for me
[06:28] <bsm> minimec: whats dunnewald?
[06:29] <luca> hi
[06:29] <savvas> syke: what server repositories are you using? us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:29] <minimec> bsm: deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu gutsy e17 sorry ;)
[06:30] <bsm> ah dunnewind
[06:30] <luca> am I the only one with big problems with dual-core and nvidia today?
[06:31] <syke> savvas: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[06:31] <savvas> syke: well.. the only thing i can suggest now is to kill udevd by using sessions, system > preferences > sessions
[06:32] <Assid> hrmm.. why cant htey add raid and lvm support to the desktop as well instead of just the alternate?
[06:32] <syke> savvas: hm, ok. it did work before the upgrade. I guess that module is removed from the new kernel?
[06:33] <bsm> thanks minimec
[06:33] <savvas> syke: no idea, I'm a simple end user as you are :)
[06:33] <minimec> bsmnp
[06:33] <luca> syke savvas what modules are you talking about?
[06:34] <savvas> Assid: good question: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
[06:34] <syke> luca: my udevd is producing a lot of messages
[06:35] <luca> oh ok
[06:35] <Assid> also if you dont start with LVM support.. and later you add a new drive. BUT any drives henceforth you want with LVM.. how do you add that
[06:35] <DM|> anynone here use a 1680x1050 resolution? i need your assistance
[06:37] <DM|> anyone?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> I use that res on my desktop. it works fine.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> dident have to do anything. other then install teh nvidia drivers
[06:37] <DM|> can you pastebin your xorg.conf for me?
[06:38] <DM|> for some reason dpkg-reconfig isnt detecting my reso correctly
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> What video card ya got?
[06:38] <DM|> Vid card works fine, even compiz works , i just need a xorg.conf to copy from
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> well its on my OTHER machine. not this one.. so cant help ya at this time.
[06:38] <DM|> doh
[06:39] <DM|> anyone else use 1680x1050 resolution here?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> if i recall. my xorg.conf dident even list the res. it gets them from the monitor DVI/stuff some how.
[06:39] <benlake> hda_intel has been properly detected for my sound card, I've selected it in the Mixer, but I get no sound.... where might I start looking?
[06:39] <DM|> it lists it :)
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> you should be able to edit the line that has the4 modes and enter 1050xwhatever then.
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> Unless of course it thinks your monitor cant handle it.. for some reason
[06:40] <savvas> benlake: what are you trying to play?
[06:40] <benlake> mp3
[06:40] <DM|> Dr_Willis i have, they have so much extra crud in there i dont know if im getting everything
[06:40] <savvas> benlake: you have the codecs installed?
[06:41] <benlake> well VLC doesn't complain
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> DM|:  thats odd.. My xorg.conf is amazingly Minimal these days.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> seems every new release it gets smaller and smaller.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> If you got an nvidia card. I recall befor the res NOT gettting seen right - UNTILL i installed the nvidia drivers
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> well updates done.. gotta reboots.. bbl
[06:41] <savvas> benlake: try in totem
[06:42] <DM|> Dr_Willis thats the thing i can set it through nvidia-settings just fine, i just cant do it from screen res in ubuntu
[06:42] <DM|> Dr_Willis it got borked because of the last gutsy update to the kernel
[06:42] <Konam> !stages
[06:42] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[06:43] <DM|> konam please stop that,
[06:43] <Konam> stop what?
[06:43] <benlake> savvas:  alright.
[06:44] <DM|> konam stages, just because someone mentions kernel update doesnt call for a ubotu !comment
[06:44] <savvas> benlake: also check for unknown devices when you do: lspci
[06:44] <DM|> konam i just find it annoying and spams the channel unless someone truely needs it
[06:44] <jussi01> !botabuse > Konam
[06:44] <Wolfpaws> Hi. I want to try KDE4, but how do I put the option in the kdm menu?
[06:44] <Konam> DM| but i just did it once
[06:44] <Assid> kde4 ? beta ?
[06:44] <stdin> Wolfpaws: read the guide
[06:45] <luca> well actually it was useful to me, the stages I mean :)
[06:45] <Assid> kde beta on gutsy? scary
[06:45] <Wolfpaws> Assid: mhm
[06:45] <DM|> wolfpaws have you installed it? if so you can prolly select it from the "sessions" menu in KDM
[06:45] <luca> how much time does it take normally before the stages are completed when the kernel updates?
[06:45] <savvas> DM|: he wanted to say that the restricted modules for  your kernel might have not reached your repos
[06:45] <Wolfpaws> DM|: no such option... Unless... Do I need to restart X?
[06:45] <stdin> !kde4 | Wolfpaws, read the guide
[06:45] <Assid> id prolly wait for kde to go final before i try that
[06:45] <ubotu> Wolfpaws, read the guide: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:45] <DM|> wolfpaws have you just installed KDE4?
[06:46] <stdin> you have to add it
[06:46] <luca> I have installed it
[06:46] <Wolfpaws> yay, links. Thanks
[06:46] <luca> last beta is as daily unusable as the an alpha I fear :)
[06:46] <DM|> savvas sigh, but from what i said i wasnt asking a question just making a comment,
[06:46] <Konam> the gnome splash doesn't work here. i tried to set it but it crashed when i tried to log in
[06:46] <luca> I keep it installed only so that I am warned when an update arrives
[06:46] <stdin> less, the alpha at least had a launcher
[06:46] <Wolfpaws> I still want to have the sneak peek :)
[06:47] <Assid> anyone else here running kde4 with gutsy ?
[06:47] <redheat> hi guys
[06:47] <redheat> is Hobbsee around?
[06:47] <Assid> nah
[06:47] <Assid> shes gone
[06:47] <stdin> not at the moment, but it's installed
[06:47] <DM|> brb
[06:47] <Assid> stdin: issues with it ?
[06:47] <stdin> Assid: well, it doesn't work :p
[06:47] <benlake> savvas: I tried in totem, vlc, xine, and mplayer
[06:47] <redheat> ok thanks.
[06:47] <benlake> savvas: looking at lspci
[06:48] <Assid> stdin:  cant be that bad :|
[06:48] <stdin> Assid: there's no launcher atm, so you have to launch app by Alt-F2
[06:48] <stdin> ^
[06:48] <Assid> hrmm
[06:48] <savvas> ^^
[06:48] <benlake> savvas: what exactly do you mean by "unknown device"?
[06:48] <bazhang> stdin: you're not an op?
[06:48] <stdin> bazhang: not in this channel
[06:49] <bazhang> stdin: thanks!
[06:49] <stdin> thanks for not being an op? I'm not that bad ;)
[06:49] <Assid> stdin:  php
[06:50] <stdin> Assid:   abc
[06:50] <Assid> abc ?
[06:50] <stdin> aren't we just sending random letters? :p
[06:50] <Assid> errrrrrr no
[06:50] <savvas> benlake: something like this: 03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6121 (rev b1)
[06:50] <redheat> guys sorry for bothering you again..in the sound settings what's the difference between OSS mixer and ALSA mixer
[06:51] <luca> how much time does it take to developers to get the restricted modules up and running?
[06:51] <stdin> Assid: then what's the "php" for (and I do know what php is btw)
[06:51] <benlake> savvas: nada, http://pastebin.org/4255
[06:51] <redheat> ?
[06:51] <Assid> !stages | luca
[06:51] <ubotu> luca: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[06:51] <rothchild> redheat I think OSS is depreciated
[06:51] <rothchild> you should probably use alsa
[06:52] <redheat> rothchild, as in inferior quality or as in software mode only?
[06:52] <redheat> I have two devices associated with them..
[06:52] <redheat> one of them called Intel HD, and the other Realtek...
[06:52] <redheat> which one of them is hardware and which one is software?
[06:52] <crdlb> redheat, there is alsa-oss emulation
[06:53] <crdlb> so that apps using the oss api still work with alsa
[06:53] <bazhang> robinson: update  will fix that.
[06:53] <Creationist> Well, once again Amarok is picking and choosing when it will start.  I don't need to make ANY changes to my system and it will just fail to start (although it offers absolutely no error messages as to why).  Anyone else able to shed any light on this?
[06:53] <robinson> thanks. I am running updates now
[06:53] <luca> bye
[06:53] <crdlb> redheat, so it's the same device
[06:53] <redheat> ok these are my system settings, I have a Creative X-Fi platinum external card, and I have another built-in card made by Realtek and it support
[06:53] <savvas> benlake: go to system > preferences > sound and test your cards there
[06:53] <redheat> intel HD
[06:54] <Dr_willis> THe Xi-Fi Card as far as i know - has ONLY linux drivers for 64bit Linux.. and  Im not sure if the external card is supported at all..
[06:54] <benlake> savvas: well I would if I weren't running Mythbunut :) they told me to come here
[06:54] <Dr_willis> the x-fi drivers just recently got released by creative..
[06:54] <robinson> in previous Kubuntus, i made a shortcut key to run "kfmclient openProfile home" to open my home directory
[06:54] <Dr_willis> as in last month lately..
[06:54] <robinson> what is the new command to do this with Dolphin?
[06:55] <redheat> this is my motherboard http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2456
[06:55] <savvas> benlake: you have gnome as desktop manager right?
[06:55] <DM|> Can someone here that is using 1680x1050 post their xorg.conf file
[06:55] <rothchild> *has a fear of creative cards
[06:55] <redheat> Creative have released no support whatsoever for a linux OS
[06:55] <Dr_willis> rothchild,  My Audigy2 is now on like its 5th machine. :)
[06:55] <redheat> it sucks and really bad
[06:56] <redheat> lol
[06:56] <rothchild> if you want a great soundcard check out www.echoaudio.com
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Got a few of the old SB-Lives around also.
[06:56] <benlake> savvas: xfce
[06:56] <rothchild> *shudders
[06:56] <Creationist> Heh, I've been using my SoundBlaster 16 for years... never needed a new one ;)
[06:56] <redheat> so crdlb, rothchild, guys do you think they both stand for the same device
[06:57] <redheat> no wonder, you're a creationist
[06:57] <redheat> :)
[06:57] <Creationist> lol
[06:57] <Creationist> Touche
[06:57] <crdlb> redheat, yes
[06:57] <redheat> lol
[06:57] <redheat> so they both stand for the same thing..
[06:57] <savvas> benlake: sorry, no idea then, I only know you can run that in gnome alternatively from the command line as gnome-sound-properties
[06:57] <crdlb> on my computer, the oss and alsa mixers have different model names
[06:57] <redheat> wow that's a relief..thank you both so much for your help..
[06:58] <redheat> and Creationist try to defossilize from time to time..see ya later and take care
[06:58] <stdin> robinson: you mean "kfmclient openURL" not "openProfile"
[06:58] <benlake> savvas: aight, thanks
[06:58] <rothchild> yeah it sounds like the creative card is just not recognised
[06:58] <robinson> historically, i used openProfile, i created a profile called "home"
[06:58] <robinson> but anyway, how does dolphin handle this?
[06:58] <clusty> can it be that my .bashrc does not get read when I log in?
[06:58] <Creationist> Anyone know how I can track down why Amarok will not start?  It isn't issuing any errors.
[06:59] <robinson> Creationist: delete the amarok config directory, then try to start it from a console
[06:59] <rothchild> Creationist what happens if you try to launch it from a terminal?
[06:59] <Creationist> rothchild: Nothing other than a message saying "Amarok is taking a long time to start.  Perhaps something went wrong?"
[07:00] <Creationist> I think that "error" message was written by a former Microsoft programmer.
[07:00] <savvas> lol
[07:00] <ratpoison> Creationist: did you try launging it from terminal?
[07:00] <ratpoison> launching*
[07:00] <minuoh> hi, is there a way safely downgrade to feisty? in gutsy my wireless stopped working and resume from suspend crashes all the time...
[07:00] <Creationist> ratpoison: Yes... see my comment to rothchild
[07:01] <savvas> Creationist: check out the /var/log/ directory
[07:01] <Dr_willis> clusty,  normally the .bash_profile gets read by a login shell. and normally that script then reads the .bashrc
[07:01] <rothchild> have you tried what robinson said (don't delete it maybe just move it out of the way for now)
[07:01] <ratpoison> Creationist: did you try reading Richard Dawkins? (it's a joke, sorry if It offends you)
[07:01] <Creationist> ratpoison: Yes, I have actually and the guy is a complete idiot.
[07:01] <savvas> Creationist: btw, maybe you have to kill a previous process, killall amarok
[07:01] <pbx> When X11 is running, my machine runs for one second and then pauses for .25 seconds. Repeat until insane. Is that familiar to anyone?
[07:01] <clusty> Dr_willis, dont have a bashprofile
[07:01] <DM|> Anyone here use 1680x1050 resolution?
[07:02] <robinson> i hope you're talking about Dawkins....
[07:02] <clusty> Dr_willis, i rename rc to profile?
[07:02] <robinson> i like to think moving the config directory is a good idea
[07:02] <Dr_willis> clusty,  hmm.. wonder where it went. :) my old isntall had one
[07:02] <VousDeux> in the Monitor & Display section of the System Settings, I can change the image format of my monitor to widescreen, but I cannot commit it from there. Is there something I can add to my xorg.conf to make this image format persistent to widescreen?
[07:02] <Creationist> hmm.... now Amarok doesn't issue any messages at all.
[07:02] <Bosambo> DM, Yeah I got that resolution
[07:02] <Dr_willis> clusty,  or make one and have it witbn 1 line. "source .bashrc'
[07:02] <pbx> It didn't happen in my initial install; it began after one safe-upgrade, then disappeared in a later one, and has come back with the latest (today)...
[07:02] <clusty> did it now :D
[07:02] <savvas> Creationist: check your system monitor
[07:02] <savvas> it may have a zombie amarok :)
[07:03] <Creationist> savvas: I have... it isn't already running.
[07:03] <clusty> Dr_willis, no change
[07:03] <robinson> good point! may be multiple instances still running
[07:03] <savvas> ok
[07:03] <clusty> Dr_willis, not even if i do a source .bashrc in a shell it inits my aliases
[07:03] <VousDeux> !widescreen
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <clusty> Dr_willis, used to work just fine
[07:03] <savvas> Creationist: try this: sudo grep -ri "amarok" /var/log/
[07:03] <Dr_willis> clusty,  try a xterm -ls
[07:04] <Dr_willis> clusty,  also toss in some 'echo "this is .bashrc"' or otehr lines to see whats getttign read where/when.
[07:04] <clusty> Dr_willis, no chage
[07:04] <savvas> Creationist: also: sudo grep -ri "amarok" /var/crash/
[07:04] <Dr_willis> clusty,  odd.. sounds like a potential bug here.
[07:04] <pbx> So I take it other people aren't experiencing this weird .25 second hang problem when running X?
[07:04] <Creationist> savvas: Last line in /var/log is /var/log/dpkg.log:2007-10-06 12:55:47 status installed amarok 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3
[07:04] <rothchild> VousDeux you could just edit xorg.conf to only have the resolution you need
[07:04] <Creationist> savvas: No results from /var/crash
[07:05] <Dr_willis> clusty,  the .bashrc has some comments on the 'proper' place to put your aliases even...
[07:05] <clusty> Dr_willis, the echo works
[07:05] <savvas> Creationist: maybe it's some dependencies: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:05] <VousDeux> rothchild, oh, so the image format list doesn't matter?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> clusty,  i jsut edited the .bashrc , uncommented the example ll, and other ls aliasls. and ran 'xterm' and it took them
[07:06] <clusty> Dr_willis, want me to post my .bashrc?
[07:06] <Creationist> savvas: Nope, that wasn't it.
[07:06] <minuoh> hat could be a reason for wireless networks stop showing in knetworkmanager? i still can see them in wifi-radar
[07:06] <rothchild> the only times I've had trouble with amarok it's cos it was snagging on certain files have you tried getting it to scan your collection in smaller chunks?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> xterm -ls also took them
[07:06] <savvas> Creationist: I'm out of ideas then, cheers :)
[07:06] <Creationist> savvas: It will start just fine every now and then (usually after a complete restart...but even then not always)
[07:06] <Dr_willis> clusty,  im just using the default .bashrc could try making a minimal one
[07:07] <robinson> Creationist: have you attempted to purge Amarok and reinstall? I know it is kind of a "windows" way, but worth a shot
[07:07] <clusty> Dr_willis, lemme try with a skel one
[07:07] <majnoon> upgrade been stuck on 5hrs left for 4 hours :(
[07:07] <rothchild> VousDeux I may have mis understood you are you saying that when you select a resolution setting it's not sticking to it?
[07:07] <savvas> Creationist: maybe it's a big folder for a media library? you'll have to clear the config files. try this: sudo remove --purge amarok && sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:08] <Creationist> robinson: I believe I've tried that... I know I've reinstalled, but I'll give it another shot.
[07:08] <robinson> check savvas' response
[07:08] <bazhang> Creationist: are you one?
[07:08] <VousDeux> rothchild, no, that's not it...there is an image format drop-down list that defaults to 'Standard 4:3', but my monitor is 'Widescreen 16:9'
[07:08] <savvas> maybe you'll have to go manually and delete it's folder in home dir
[07:08] <bazhang> I know off topic, sorry.
[07:08] <majnoon> make seperate partition for mp3's ??
[07:09] <Creationist> savvas robinson:  Hmm... says the amarok packages can not be authenticated... is that normal for a beta?
[07:09] <VousDeux> rothchild, when I change that list item, I am not given the opportunity to save my selection.
[07:09] <robinson> did you add some other sources?
[07:09] <robinson> to your apt source list, i mean
[07:09] <Creationist> robinson: Nope.
[07:10] <rothchild> what happens when you hit ok?
[07:10] <savvas> Creationist: apt-cache policy amarok
[07:10] <Creationist> bazhang: Yes, I am.
[07:10] <robinson> first beta for me, not sure. I usually get that message when i add "unofficial" sources
[07:10] <savvas> 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3 ?
[07:10] <VousDeux> rothchild, so I was wonding if there was a statement I could add to the xorg.conf that would accomplish this
[07:10] <clusty> Dr_willis, fokin ay. some bogus stuff was in the bashrc
[07:10] <robinson> be right back, gotta reboot to apply my updates.
[07:10] <clusty> Dr_willis, it was quitting before it was reacing en
[07:10] <bazhang> Creationist: that happened early in the update--nothing to worry about that I saw. no real complaints from others.
[07:10] <Creationist> Installed: 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3
[07:10] <Bosambo> exit
[07:11] <bazhang> Bosambo: ?
[07:11] <savvas> Creationist: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:11] <Creationist> Well, I've purged amarok and reinstalled... still won't start.
[07:11] <savvas> hm
[07:11] <VousDeux> rothchild, when I hit OK, the description for Monitor #1 will change to: Plug 'n' Play (widescreen), but I cannot commit the change at this point
[07:11] <savvas> Creationist: maybe you'll have to go manually and delete it's folder in home dir
[07:11] <Creationist> savvas: I've done that too ;)
[07:12] <savvas> I'm wiped out completely then :P
[07:12] <savvas> laters :P
[07:12] <Creationist> ...leads me to believe it isn't a configuration issue.
[07:12] <rothchild> VousDeux I don't think it will commit until x is restarted hitting OK writes it to xorgconf but it's not re-read until the x server restarts so you need to log out and log in again
[07:12] <VousDeux> rothchild, the next time I look at it, it will revert back to 'Standard 4:3'
[07:13] <WGGMk> so who else is 'lovin' Gusty
[07:13] <VousDeux> rothchild, the xorg.conf never gets written, and restarting X does not activate the setting
[07:13] <Creationist> WGGMk: Not I so far :(
[07:13] <Creationist> WGGMk: Well, I love the stuff that works :)
[07:13] <WGGMk> Creationist: whats up?
[07:13] <rothchild> dunno then, I've found monitors and screens to be a bit flakey and now just tend to hand edit xorg.conf
[07:13] <rothchild> maybe you should log a bug against it?
[07:14] <Creationist> WGGMk: Eh, just a few random quirks that no one knows how to fix.  Nothing major but right now I'm REALLY missing Amarok ;)
[07:14] <VousDeux> rothchild, that's why I thought maybe I could just edit the xorg.conf manually, but I have no idea what to add to the config
[07:14] <WGGMk> Creationist: Kubuntu eh?
[07:14] <Creationist> WGGMk: Yep.
[07:15] <WGGMk> Creationist: not a big KDE fan.. or id try and help ya out
[07:15] <rothchild> is your setup pretty straight forward (one monitor etc)?
[07:15] <Creationist> WGGMk: I tried Kubuntu back in Edgy, but when I realized the devs don't spend as much time on Kubuntu as Gnome, I switched to Ubuntu for Feisty.  But I like KDE, so I installed the Kubuntu Gutsy Beta ;)
[07:15] <VousDeux> rothchild, yes, as far as I know
[07:15] <Dr_willis> I tend to mixx and match kde/gnome ;)
[07:16] <WGGMk> Creationist: you know you can install KDE packages on Ubuntu
[07:16] <rothchild> OK I'll try to help but please be aware I'm not an expert
[07:16] <Creationist> savvas: Well, apparently there are updates to a ton of packes on my system that Adept didn't let me know about until I manually issued the apt-get update command.  So maybe this will help.
[07:16] <VousDeux> rothchild, acknowledged...thanks
[07:16] <rothchild> open a terminal and do sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:16] <Creationist> WGGMk: Yeah, but I like KDE packages - I don't like Gnome apps ;)
[07:17] <VousDeux> rothchild, I have it opened
[07:17] <ratpoison> Creationist: I use amarok and k3b on Gnome, no problem except my amarok crashed once
[07:17] <Creationist> WGGMk: And Dolphin, once they beat out the kinks, kicks the ass off of Nautilus and Konqueror as a file browser ;)
[07:17] <Creationist> ratpoison: No, I know there's no problem doing that.  But I prefer the KDE environment over Gnome.
[07:18] <rothchild> have a look at the section 'screens'
[07:19] <rothchild> 'screen' even
[07:19] <VousDeux> rothchild, I see it
[07:19] <Phrozen_One> hey all, why isn't ntfs-3g installed by default in tribe 3? (using xubuntu)
[07:19] <rothchild> you should see lines 'modes' that control  the resolution
[07:19] <VousDeux> rothchild, I do
[07:20] <viator> hey it keeps telling me composite extension not available does that mean i have to install xgl :(
[07:20] <rothchild> are there multiple lines of settings?
[07:20] <rothchild> resolutions
[07:20] <crdlb> viator, video card?
[07:20] <VousDeux> rothchild, there are
[07:20] <viator> its an old ati xpress 200m
[07:20] <crdlb> yes you need fglrx + Xgl
[07:20] <VousDeux> Modes      "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x800" "1280x1024" "1440x900" "1680x1050"
[07:21] <rothchild> which one do you want?
[07:21] <viator> hmm
[07:21] <VousDeux> rothchild, the only one that works is 1680x1050
[07:21] <clusty> can i run compiz fusion on a intel 950 chip?
[07:22] <rothchild> you mean when you select it from screens and monitors or that is the one you want?
[07:22] <crdlb> clusty, yes
[07:22] <clusty> crdlb, compiz whines when i am trying to enable it
[07:22] <clusty> crdlb, what do i need enabled to get it to work?
[07:22] <rothchild> basically just delete the ones you don't want
[07:23] <VousDeux> rothchild, I cannot change it, 1680x1050 is the only one that is available no matter what entry I make for Modes
[07:23] <viator> itd be nice if it happened automagicly for ppl using ati .....sigh
[07:23] <crdlb> clusty, can you elaborate on "whines"? :)
[07:23] <crdlb> viator, setting up Xgl is trivial on gutsy
[07:23] <rothchild> what are you trying to change?
[07:23] <clusty> crdlb, sais cannot do it :D
[07:23] <crdlb> just apt-get install xserver-xgl and you're done
[07:24] <crdlb> clusty, glxinfo|grep direct
[07:24] <crdlb> in a terminal
[07:24] <crdlb> what does that say?
[07:24] <VousDeux> rothchild, I want to change the Image format from 'Standard 4:3' to 'Widescreen 16:9'
[07:25] <rothchild> ok that is defined by the resolution though (Ie the relationship between the vertical and the horizontal resolution)
[07:25] <robinson> Creationist: did your amarok issue get resolved yet?
[07:25] <VousDeux> rothchild, the Modes issue, I think, is a seperate issue...of which I am not trying to address at the moment
[07:25] <rothchild> what is the default resolution for the screen you are trying to address?
[07:26] <VousDeux> 1680x1050
[07:27] <robinson> running Kubunty Gutsy on my laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. How do i enable direct rendering?
[07:27] <rothchild> so if x is set to that you are in 'widescreen' mode (I think! Does someone wanna set me straight on this?)
[07:28] <clusty> crdlb,  Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:28] <crdlb> ok
[07:28] <crdlb> clusty, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:28] <crdlb> !pastebin
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[07:28] <VousDeux> rothchild, that seems logical, but I guess I don't understand why this 'Image format' list shows 'Standard 4:3' while I am running 1680x1050
[07:28] <VousDeux> rothchild, I just want to make sure there is no stretching or skewing going on
[07:29] <minuoh> please please i need help.. where do i start checking why wifi stopped working in gutsy?
[07:29] <Creationist> No, my amarok problem hasn't been fixed yet, but apparently there are 200 updates I didn't know about until manually trying an update ;)  So we'll see when those are done.
[07:29] <VousDeux> minuoh, try looking at the syslog
[07:29] <minuoh> i did
[07:30] <VousDeux> minuoh, does it work if you reboot...or just not at all?
[07:30] <clusty> crdlb, 1000 lines of logs here you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39777/
[07:30] <minuoh> VousDeux: it stopped working after resumed from suspend, and after that nothing helps, no reboots
[07:30] <minuoh> no noths
[07:30] <minuoh> nothing
[07:31] <clusty> crdlb, mind that i have one of those hybrid sony graphics
[07:31] <crdlb> clusty, you have the nvidia driver installed
[07:31] <minuoh> when i start NetworkManager --no-daemon, it shows activating eth0 (wired) but not eth1 (wifi)
[07:31] <minuoh> is there a configuration for it?
[07:31] <VousDeux> minuoh, without being an expert on the matter, I can only suggest that you review the logs...sorry
[07:31] <clusty> crdlb, i have 2 video cards
[07:31] <minuoh> wifi-radar sees the networks...
[07:31] <crdlb> clusty, hybrid as in switching between intel and nvidia?
[07:31] <clusty> yes
[07:32] <clusty> i am usiong now the driver i810
[07:32] <VousDeux> minuoh, It doesn't sound like the wifi driver is loaded
[07:32] <crdlb> well unfortunately it's impossible to have both the nvidia and intel driver installed with acceleration
[07:32] <crdlb> because the nvidia driver is proprietary
[07:32] <crdlb> and doesn't use mesa and the dri system
[07:32] <minuoh> VousDeux: how wifi-radar sees the networks?
[07:32] <clusty> crdlb, oki. got it: lost cause :D
[07:32] <minuoh> iwconfig shows eth1 as unassociated
[07:32] <rothchild> vousdeux that's fair enough but I think if the screen is supposed to be a certain resolution and is running at that resolution you should be ok
[07:33] <clusty> crdlb, any idea how to start debugging why suspend does not work?
[07:33] <VousDeux> minuoh, that's a good question...I was just going by what you said about seeing eth0, but not wlan0
[07:33] <nanonyme> clusty, yeah, ATI + intel might be a better pair in the future in that sort :)
[07:33] <bill_k> anyone know how well a gusty livecd works on a macbook pro?
[07:33] <nanonyme> livecd's always work slow
[07:33] <crdlb> clusty, nope, sorry, unless it only is broken with compiz enabled
[07:33] <VousDeux> rothchild, I appreciate your time, thanks
[07:34] <clusty> nanonyme, well wated to use intel card cause the nvidia one makes mu laptop howl quite badly :D
[07:34] <rothchild> no probs sorry I couldn't be more usefull
[07:34] <nanonyme> heh
[07:34] <bill_k> not concered about speed, just bugs and functionality
[07:34] <nanonyme> clusty, not very surprising
[07:34] <crdlb> clusty, you can, you just need to uninstall the nvidia driver :)
[07:34] <VousDeux> rothchild, I'm not even sure it is a problem either...it just doesn't look right
[07:35] <clusty> crdlb, is it a very bad idea to spin down the fans
[07:35] <crdlb> well they're spinning for a reason :)
[07:35] <clusty> :D
[07:35] <VousDeux> it seems like I just can't get several issues resolved, and issues with resolution is one of 'em
[07:36] <clusty> i ment like to start cooling strongly at 45
[07:36] <clusty> rather then 38 or so
[07:36] <nanonyme> bill_k, the stable release of gutsy is probably a better choice. that is, if you wait a while, you'll get to burn a better livecd, probably
[07:36] <bill_k> nanoyme: thanks
[07:37] <nanonyme> check link in topic to how long you'd have to wait
[07:37] <clusty> back to the howly nvidia :D
[07:37] <VousDeux> my issues are with my touch pad not being detected (it sorta works but cannot be configured), cannot change resolution, wifi will drop and cannot be re-established without a reboot, and power manager keeps trippin' out...any of these issues sound familiar to anyone?
[07:38] <bill_k> 12 days :)
[07:39] <nanonyme> + possibly a few days extra. dunno how fast the livecd's are made
[07:39] <Ben_Cs> hello
[07:39] <squidy> hello guys.. what's the best repository for eyecandies (compiz-fusion, whatever) to kubuntu gutsy?
[07:40] <Ben_Cs> i have a problem. my wired network connection drops randomly. had this problem with feisty as well. any suggestions?
[07:40] <bazhang> squidy: canonical's?
[07:40] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, have you tried another cable and/or port?
[07:41] <squidy> bazhang, i was using download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb when i was on feisty...
[07:41] <Darkligh1> I'm starting wine under Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10. When Wine creating him directory structure - my comp fully frosen. Helping only hard reboot from button on system block. In logs - clear. No one record from wine. Having ideas?
[07:41] <Darkligh1> hi all
[07:41] <bazhang> squidy: stay away from that and automatix/easyubuntu--no longer needed!
[07:42] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: no, but the connection doesn't drop when i dualboot to WinXP
[07:43] <squidy> bazhang, i never used automatix or something like that..
[07:43] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, fair enough
[07:43] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: i connect to another pc directly, and that pc shares the internet connection. that other pc runs WinXP
[07:43] <Darkligh1> anybody having problem with starting wine?
[07:43] <bazhang> tuxfamily is just as risky..it's all under canonical/ubuntu now.
[07:43] <squidy> bazhang, the official repository from cannonical has a compiz-fusion working well to kubuntu gutsy?
[07:44] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: someone suggested i get a switch, but i thought maybe there's another solution
[07:44] <bazhang> yes. very very well.  (looks around for hobbsee) get it now!
[07:45] <bazhang> yowch!
[07:45] <squidy> thanks dude :)
[07:45] <bazhang> no problem!!!
[07:46] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, I would be suspicios of ICS...it may be that since ICS is native to the Windows environment, that environment is more tollerent of errors. Using a router is the only way I can think of to eliminate that possibility.
[07:47] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: ICS ?!
[07:47] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, Internet Connection Sharing
[07:47] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: i see. ok thanks
[07:49] <clusty> found a solutionL underclock the nvidia
[07:51] <VousDeux> Another issue I should have mentioned before is that my Video RAM is shown as 256 kB, I have 512 MB...how can I fix that?
[07:51] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: I think its in your Xorg.conf
[07:51] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: (if you have shared ram at least)
[07:51] <VousDeux> nosrednaekim, it's not shared, it's physical
[07:52] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: thats odd. hmmm :)
[07:52] <VousDeux> nomasteryoda, and I haven't encountered such a setting in the xorg.conf
[07:53] <nosrednaekim> my dear pupil, learn to file a bug you must.
[07:53] <Creationist> grrr... my damn Amarok is STILL not running!@
[07:53] <rothchild> anyone any good with gnome bluetooth?
[07:54] <Creationist> Sorry for the language... I'm a bit miffed. lol
[07:54] <Juggie> anyone know why add/remove off the application menu would not show all available software.
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: did you do updates?
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: run it from a terminal and look at the error
[07:54] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I installed all the updates hoping it would fix the problem.
[07:54] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: And running it in the terminal doesn't show any errors, just that "Amarok is talking a long time to load.  Perhaps something has gone wrong?"
[07:55] <VousDeux> does anyone have any idea how I can bet my integrated digital camera to work?
[07:55] <Creationist> I've purged and reinstalled, even manually deleted the config directory from amarok... nothing seems to work.
[07:55] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: did you search on launchpad for similar bugs?
[07:55] <rothchild> I can scan for the pc from the phone and offer a pairing, it asks for a key and the computer asks for the key all ok but then when I try to browse teh device from gnome it says it's not a valid location?
[07:55] <threethirty> hi all
[07:56] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Ah.. not yet.
[07:56] <nosrednaekim> hey threethirty
[07:56] <rothchild> the phone is a sony w850i if that helps
[07:57] <rothchild> creationist maybe it's time to try rhythmbox?
[07:57] <minuoh> how can i install a package of specific version? like network-manager 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 ?
[07:57] <Creationist> rothchild: I hate Rhythmbox
[07:57] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Nothing on Launchpad for this
[07:58] <threethirty> last night i did the update that held back the resticted drivers, and today i updated and got them back.  Now my resolution is set to 1400x1050 when I need 1024x768, and the screen resolution app isn't changing it, any ideas?
[07:58] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: ask on #kubuntu-devel
[07:58] <Lhademmo1> gnome-power-manager is acting all weird on my ThinkPad R51 laptop.
[07:58] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: in the meantime, try Exaile.
[07:58] <rothchild> lol ok forget that suggestion!
[07:58] <Lhademmo1> If I'm inactive for ~10 seconds it lowers the screenlight to minimum
[07:59] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Is exaile a gnome app?
[07:59] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: its a gtk clone of amarok.
[07:59] <nosrednaekim> without the content browser
[07:59] <threethirty> Lhademmo1: thats a productivity feature :-)
[07:59] <VousDeux> threethirty, the only way I have had any success with changing resolution is by manually editing the xorg.conf Modes
[08:00] <VousDeux> threethirty, however, in my case that has only had an effect when I run a generic vesa driver
[08:00] <VousDeux> threethirty, when I run the development nvidia driver I cannot change it no matter what I try
[08:01] <threethirty> VousDeux: i have the nvidia driver installed, and i haven't edited xorg.conf  in a while (im lazy) can you point the path or a walk through
[08:02] <VousDeux> threethirty, the path is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:02] <threethirty> ty
[08:02] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Well, exaile crashes when I try to play a song... so that's a no-go ;)
[08:02] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: heh.... try mpg123 (command line ;)
[08:02] <VousDeux> threethirty, you will have to edit with root access
[08:02] <Lhademmo1> threethirty, yeah maybe normally, but how can I extend the time 'limit'?
[08:03] <Lhademmo1> Also, the on-screen "light-meter" is broken, and stays at 0 all the time
[08:03] <threethirty> Lhademmo1: i have no clue i havent tried to run gutsy on my laptop yet
[08:03] <robinson> dang. Seems like my laptop fan runs all the time on Gutsy
[08:04] <pbx> No heavy fan usage here...
[08:04] <robinson> nevermind, it just quit :)
[08:04] <Lhademmo1> threethirty, because it's a "production pc" ?
[08:04] <robinson> must be just paranoid
[08:04] <bazhang> no problems here either.
[08:04] <robinson> probably because i had the exhaust port resting on my thigh. I lifted it up for a minute and it stopped
[08:05] <pbx> but these .25 second hangs are killing me.
[08:05] <threethirty> Lhademmo1:hehe yeah
[08:05] <frank_> pbx: you mean from compiz?
[08:05] <pbx> No
[08:05] <pbx> Anytime I'm running X
[08:05] <pbx> I'm in wmii right now :)
[08:07] <VousDeux> does anyone have any idea how long it usually takes for someone to review a bug report?
[08:07] <pbx> I'm at a loss for how to remedy this. What are some nuclear options?
[08:08] <VousDeux> I submitted a report several weeks ago, but I cannot tell that anything has been done with it.
[08:08] <frank_> KnetworkManager says I have no active device in gusty kubuntu. I disabled encryption on my network and connected with kde configuration menu. I have no idea how to get knetworkmanager working.  I tried the gutsy ubuntu network-manager and that one works.
[08:08] <robinson> in Kubuntu Gutssy, still having issues with the volume control seemingly not working on my laptop. It works visually, and even changes the mixer, but seems like the mixer channels are incorrect
[08:08] <minuoh> ok i guess it's not only my problem: http://www.chuffle.com/20070929/ubuntu-gutsy-beta/
[08:09] <VousDeux> Actually, I appended an existing report that said it was assigned, but incomplete. I submitted the information to complete the status, but the status has not changed
[08:09] <pbx> whe i typeit come out like ts beausemy compute gruns for one secondand then stalls  a qrter sec.
[08:09] <pbx> :\
[08:11] <VousDeux> it's just a little frustrating that I have been trying for several weeks to resolve the same issues. I have researched every resource imaginable, but I'm getting nowhere.
[08:11] <robinson> anyone else experiencin the "mixer" issue?
[08:11] <VousDeux> and then I submit bug reports that do not seem to get any attention whatsoever
[08:12] <VousDeux> I guess I'm just not sure what else I should be doing
[08:12] <rothchild> VousDeux I know the feeling I had a bugreport logged for a while and no-one said anything until I reported back that it had been fixed and all of a sudden the channel came alive!
[08:13] <VousDeux> Maybe someday, Linux will be user friendly, but I have been looking at it for years and it seems to still only be developer friendly
[08:15] <robinson> is there a way to map my volume buttons on my laptop to affect the PCM channel instead of the master channel? thant would fix my problem
[08:15] <VousDeux> In all the years I have been looking at Linux, I have never actually been able to use it for anything because I have never reached a point where I wasn't just trying to figure out how to make my hardware work properly.
[08:16] <robinson> wow, been using it for about 4 years or more now.
[08:16] <robinson> Hard to go back to Windows
[08:16] <bazhang> VousDeux: it's a good idea to do a bit of research before buying new hardware--some companies are notably unfriendly to open source.
[08:16] <robinson> Yeah, there are some apps that i miss, but for the most part, Linux just works for me
[08:16] <bazhang> me too
[08:16] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason i don't seem to have a splash screen or login/out sounds?
[08:16] <frank_> VousDeux: The easiest way is to buy hardware that is known to work well with linux rather than try to make linux run whatever you have.
[08:17] <robinson> you are correct, sir
[08:17] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: it's a beta?
[08:17] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: i didn't know that :|
[08:18] <ConstyXIV> anyways, does anyone else have splash screens or login sounds?
[08:18] <robinson> i have them on mine
[08:18] <robinson> Kubuntu
[08:18] <Dr_willis> i always disable that stuff. :)
[08:18] <pbx> VousDeux: I recommend the Mark Pilgrim approach, as frank_ et al.  are saying.
[08:20] <VousDeux> to me, that's a little like saying these tires will work on a Ford, but not a GM, when really the tires are supposed to be universal...unless the hardware is Windows specific (like a winmodem) I should be able to expect it to be supported by Linux
[08:20] <pbx> Why ?
[08:20] <bazhang> VousDeux: sounds like why are there so many distros, why not just one?
[08:20] <robinson> i understand what you mean, I have had some frustration with some hardware before too.
[08:21] <bazhang> ie the baskin-robbins defense
[08:21] <robinson> But, it ends up being like trying to play an Xbox game in a Gamecube and being mad at nintendo
[08:21] <bazhang> haha
[08:21] <VousDeux> hehe
[08:21] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: it's more like putting parts in a toyota when everyone is primarily making ford parts
[08:21] <bazhang> Ford +Vista = lemon
[08:22] <robinson> both systems play games, but quite frankly, there are some exclusive Nintendo titles that wont make it to Xbox, and vice-versa
[08:22] <VousDeux> I have always used popular main-stream hardware
[08:22] <robinson> when you own a Gamecube, you go buy stuff that works on the gamecube
[08:22] <ConstyXIV> everyone had gotten used to having the one OS (Windows) and then Linux popped up out of nowhere, and not everyone has adjusted yet (or refuses to adjust)
[08:22] <robinson> sorry, i just love analogies
[08:23] <bazhang> !bug#1
[08:23] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[08:23] <robinson> on a side note, do Mac users have a hard time with dial up?
[08:23] <ConstyXIV> robinson: mac users don't use dialup, they all use FiOS broadband :)
[08:24] <bazhang> hahaha
[08:24] <VousDeux> selecting hardware for Linux shouldn't be that hard...If I search for the most popular video card, it should be supported
[08:24] <pbx> VousDeux: "popular" and "main stream" are not technical attributes.
[08:24] <robinson> VousDeux: i think i missed your original complaint. what hardware is giving your trouble?
[08:24] <bazhang> MS shouldn't be a monopoly, with garbage like vista, but there you go.
[08:24] <VousDeux> doesn't it make sense that if Linux wants to appeal to main-stream, they should support the most popular hardware?
[08:24] <ConstyXIV> and anyways, i don't think macs have modems anymore
[08:25] <bazhang> you have it reversed.
[08:25] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: it takes quite a bit of work to support hardware
[08:25] <ConstyXIV> just look at some of the docs AMD put out for the radeon recently
[08:26] <bazhang> hiya squidy
[08:26] <ConstyXIV> and linux devs don't always have the advantage of having docs (or any sort of backing) from the manufacturer
[08:26] <pbx> !stages
[08:26] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:26] <ConstyXIV> a big example is the broadcom wifi cards
[08:26] <VousDeux> in my current situation, eg: this notebook, I expected to have some difficulties with hardware support at first, but the general hardware, like the touch pad, I never expected to have any problems with
[08:27] <bazhang> which notebook VousDeux?
[08:27] <ConstyXIV> what exactly is wrong with your touchpad?
[08:27] <VousDeux> MS-1719
[08:27] <bazhang> brand name?
[08:27] <VousDeux> the touchpad works, but is too sensitive and cannot be configured or disabled
[08:27] <VousDeux> Microstar
[08:28] <bazhang> how old?
[08:28] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: go to System->Prefs->Mouse and see if there's a "Touchpad" tab
[08:28] <VousDeux> August
[08:28] <bazhang> TheRepacker: can help!
[08:29] <TheRepacker> What?
[08:29] <bazhang> TheRepacker: touchpad too sensitive!
[08:29] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: does the touchpad tab show up?
[08:29] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, the tab is there, but when I click it, it says it cannot access shared memory...I have added the appropriate info to my xorg.conf, but the xorg.0.log says that the hardware cannot be detected and the driver is unloaded. The shared memory cannot be accessed because the device is not loaded.
[08:30] <TheRepacker> sorry, desktop box here
[08:30] <bazhang> oops.
[08:30] <TheRepacker> nice try through,,,LOL
[08:31] <bazhang> TheRepacker: sorry! couldn't resist..
[08:31] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: first off, why were you mucking around in the xorg.conf in the first place?
[08:31] <viator> i have desktop effects running now how can i configure them to work differently
[08:31] <bazhang> TheRepacker: are you a dev?
[08:31] <viator> when i click custom it does nothing or seems to
[08:31] <TheRepacker> no, just a noob
[08:31] <ConstyXIV> viator: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:31] <bazhang> viator: #ubuntu-effects
[08:31] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, because that is what the warning and the supporting documentation I have found has said to do.
[08:31] <viator> o ty
[08:32] <Dr_willis>  compizconfig-settings-manager - is going to be the answer to a top 10 FAQ. in a week or so... :)
[08:32] <bazhang> no problem
[08:32] <viator> haha
[08:32] <bazhang> that should be the topic on every channel!
[08:32] <squidy> hey.. i've installed compiz from cannonical repository.. but when i try to run that i receive a segmentation fault error as you can see here: http://pastebin.ca/728123
[08:32] <squidy> could anyone help me?
[08:33] <VousDeux> the warning says I need to add Option "SHMConfig" "on" to the xorg.conf, I did that, but it did not help.
[08:33] <squidy> i'm using kubuntu gutsy
[08:33] <ConstyXIV> squidy: in gutsy?  compiz comes by default
[08:33] <bazhang> not kubuntu
[08:33] <ConstyXIV> oh
[08:33] <squidy> kubuntu
[08:33] <Dr_willis> Thats going to be a Faq also in a few weeks. :) i bet...
[08:33] <Dr_willis> Faq #1 - how to get extra Compiz settings = Install  compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:34] <frank_> Knetworkmanager says: No active device.    Anyone else have this in kubuntu beta?
[08:34] <bazhang> haha
[08:34] <Dr_willis> Faq #2 - how to enable it in Kubuntu = No idea yet.
[08:34] <TheRepacker> I seem to have lost  libglx.so, anyone know how to get it back?
[08:34] <bazhang> I've got it going!
[08:34] <Dr_willis> Faq#3 - how to make Konqueror the default file manager under Kubuntu = No idea either. :)
[08:34] <squidy> frank_, i'm receive the same message here
[08:34] <robinson> frank: beta running fine here. Sitting on my couch using Wifi
[08:34] <bazhang> I'll write the FAQ, for a price!
[08:34] <ConstyXIV> ubuntu really should have built a more detailed (but still easier) compizconfig
[08:34] <squidy> *receiving
[08:35] <Dr_willis> #4 - how to install all the extra codec/java/flash/otehr things  = Install 'ubuntu-Somthing-somthing'  (i forget the name)
[08:35] <Dr_willis> Heh heh/
[08:35] <squidy> weird.. anyone here is using kubuntu gutsy with compiz successfully?
[08:35] <bazhang> faq #5 the key bindings
[08:35] <Dr_willis> squidy,  got Kubutnu Gutsy. but not using COmpiz
[08:35] <ConstyXIV> Dr_willis: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:35] <frank_> squidy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/149869    there is this bug here. I know very little about networkmanager. not sure what to do
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149869 in knetworkmanager "Gutsy Beta Kubuntu could not connect" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:35] <Dr_willis> I with the compiz control thing had a 'show all used key shortcuts' plugin.
[08:36] <bazhang> compiz-fusion
[08:36] <Dr_willis> i wish it had.. :)
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> myself, i remapped the "menu" key to invoke scale
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> and ctrl-menu for expo
[08:36] <bazhang> ring switcher
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> since my touchpad only has 2 buttons
[08:37] <squidy> bazhang, you've said compiz works perfectly in kubuntu gutsy.. are you using it?
[08:37] <bazhang> compiz-fusion; I don't know about 'perfectly'
[08:37] <VousDeux> I am really grateful to all of the friendly people who have tried to help in here, but none of them have been able to help me resolve the issue because none of them have been experts. I tried contacting experts by submitting bug reports, but that didn't seem to get any attention. How can I get expert help?
[08:37] <squidy> bazhang, not perfectly.. but very very well.. heh
[08:38] <bazhang> yessss very very well. hehe
[08:38] <bazhang> no paint fire, though scared to try it
[08:38] <bazhang> VousDeux: have you considered using a mouse until this bug is fixed?
[08:39] <rothchild> I'm an expert just not in computing ;-)
[08:39] <highvoltage> Hi, how can I try Ubiquity's unatended install in Gutsy?
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: not really a fix on a laptop
[08:39] <bazhang> hi voltage!
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> but you can just turn down the sensitivity in the mouse prefs app
[08:39] <VousDeux> I am using a mouse, but typing is very difficult when you have a sensitive touch pad always getting in the way
[08:40] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: a workaround perhaps.
[08:40] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: if your laptop has a touchpad button (either it's own button or fn+some button), have you tried that?
[08:40] <VousDeux> I can't even breathe near this touch pad without it goofing me up
[08:40] <bazhang> does ubuntu have voice recognition software?
[08:40] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, no such luck...my wife's HP has such a button, but those seem to be rare
[08:40] <robinson> sorry to break in again, but can anyone tell me how to map my laptop volume keys to the PCM channel in Kubnutu?
[08:41] <terragna> Hello. I have been doing a lot of searching, but I can't seem to find any help on this problem. I've done a fresh install of Gusty and enabled Compiz. Everything runs and looks great.. My first question is.. how can I get themes like I used to have using Beryl? I installed emerald theme manager, downloaded the non gpl themes and they work, BUT they arent changing the fonts on the menus, is this normal?
[08:41] <pqnet> i have a problem with gnome menu: no entries are shown, and I don't know what is that about. I think it has happened with last updates
[08:41] <usser> VousDeux: wow i think u might be able to conduct some elaborate scientific experiments with that thouchpad, such as weighing molecules atoms and stuff like that :)))
[08:41] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: have you checked along the F keys?  it usually hides in there (fn-f7 on my old one)
[08:41] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, oh...haha...thanks for making me look again
[08:41] <bazhang> compizconfig settings manager, terragna
[08:42] <terragna> i have that
[08:42] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, I just discovered which button to use with the fn combo to disable the touch pad
[08:42] <bazhang> alt + f2 compiz --replace &
[08:42] <VousDeux> I looked at that button dozens of times and never made the connection :)
[08:42] <bazhang> VousDeux: yessssss!
[08:43] <bazhang> thanks for sticking with it!
[08:43] <VousDeux> that is certainly helpful, but I would still like to know how to fix the problem
[08:43] <bazhang> terragna: ?
[08:43] <terragna> hmm i have the compiz settings manager -- my question is how to get themes for it the correct way.. ive installed emerald theme manager and have themes working, but they dont seem to theme the system's fonts
[08:44] <pqnet> vousdeux the problem is your touchpad is too sensitive or similar?
[08:44] <ConstyXIV> with compiz, is there any way to keep video from lagging behind moving windows?
[08:44] <bazhang> terragna: sudo apt-get install emerald-themes
[08:44] <terragna> that doesn't work
[08:44] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, and I cannot configure it because the device is not detected when X loads
[08:44] <terragna> but i dont want the themes, thats not the problem
[08:44] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: compiz-fusion?
[08:44] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: you can change the sensitivity in the mouse app, but i think that affects your mouse as well (not a problem if you don't always need a mouse)
[08:45] <VousDeux> pqnet, when I try to configure it, it says that shared memory is inaccessible
[08:45] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: yeah, the one in gutsy
[08:45] <terragna> the problem is when i select the theme, the window borders change and it looks great, but the menu colors and fonts do not
[08:45] <terragna> they stay human themed
[08:45] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: have a good video card?
[08:45] <ConstyXIV> terragna: you need to go into appearance and change them there
[08:45] <robinson> VousDeux: sorry, are you using Kubunu or Ubuntu? Just remembered, i had a friend with the same problem. He resolved it by installed KSynaptics to configure the touchpad
[08:45] <pqnet> vousdeux: I used to have such similar problems, it's a synaptic touchpad?
[08:45] <terragna> that's how it works?
[08:45] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: mobility radeon 9100
[08:46] <terragna> so emerald themes dont change font?
[08:46] <TheRepacker> terragna: those changes are made in the apperance>theme> customize
[08:46] <bazhang> wowza
[08:46] <VousDeux> Kubuntu, I have KSynaptics installed
[08:46] <ConstyXIV> robinson: and GSynaptics is the equivalent in gnome
[08:47] <rexy_> hmm is it possible to configure networkmanager so that it will try to autoconnect without running nm-applet?
[08:47] <VousDeux> I called the vendor, and they contacted the manufacturer. They are telling me that it is definitely a Synaptics touch pad
[08:47] <rexy_> atm it appears to be waiting with connecting till i start nm-applet
[08:47] <robinson> rexy: if you are having major issues with nm, remove it and try using wicd instead
[08:48] <robinson> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[08:48] <rexy_> i tried wicd, i didnt like it, plus according to what i've read NM is going to be with ubuntu for awhile as the default way to connect to the networks, so that is what i want to use
[08:48] <bazhang> wicd is wicked
[08:48] <rexy_> also, wicd doesnt autoconnect for me either
[08:48] <ConstyXIV> rexy_: there's always the old-fashioned network-admin
[08:49] <robinson> wicd should autoconnect to a network on all subsequent connections. Like in Windows, you must manually ocnnect the first time so it becomes a trusted source
[08:49] <rexy_> i'll have a peek at it, my goal is to configure nm and only use the applet if i need to configure a new network
[08:49] <robinson> or you could just use dhclient in console
[08:49] <VousDeux> Is there another support resource that I may be missing that would allow me to get some expert help?
[08:49] <rexy_> robinson: i configured a network, but it didnt autoconnect when the wicd daemons tarted
[08:50] <ConstyXIV> rexy_: once you configure network-admin, it autoconnects until you tell it otherwise
[08:50] <rexy_> robinson: dhclient requires me to first setup the wireless parameters?
[08:50] <rexy_> ConstyXIV: doesnt that always connect to the same AP then?
[08:50] <rexy_> or tries to anyway
[08:50] <pqnet> vousdeux when does this problem with touchpad has started?
[08:50] <ConstyXIV> rexy_: yeah, isin't that what youre trying to do?
[08:51] <VousDeux> pqnet, since I took the computer out of the box and installed Kubuntu (x86_64)
[08:51] <rexy_> ConstyXIV: i want a setup that autoconnects to known or open AP's, and where i can add configurations through a point & click interface i can run when and if i need it
[08:51] <robinson> for me, dhclient eth1 will usually connect to the strongest unsecured network available
[08:51] <robinson> you can manually configure using iwconfig
[08:52] <rexy_> NM seems to do that, only have to convince it to do it at boot, rather then wait for the applet to start
[08:52] <rexy_> robinson: doesnt that rely on a configured wpa_supplicant then?
[08:52] <robinson> Gutsy has been the first distro that allowed network-manager to work with ndiswrapper for me nad my BCM4319
[08:52] <robinson> not sure, i dont have any wpa encrypted networks.
[08:52] <robinson> I have on public and one WEP in my home
[08:52] <robinson> sorry, ONE public
[08:53] <rexy_> i use wpa at home, most uni's use wep in enterprise mode, and the AP's on the way use a plethora of different settings
[08:53] <robinson> i used to just use a MAC filter...
[08:54] <robinson> d@mn secure, not passwords or additional "software" to worry about
[08:54] <robinson> eliminates a lot of compatibility problems with connection soctware like NW or wicd
[08:54] <rexy_> yeah, takes one packet from you to A bump you of the network and B collect my own ip on your mac?
[08:55] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: about your problem--is it when you spin the transparent cube that the video lags, or when?
[08:55] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: pretty much anytime I move the video window.  cube, dragging, switchers, etc.
[08:56] <frank_> robinson: did you say WEP was secure?
[08:56] <rexy_> the whole spinning cube broke for me from tribe4 to beta :/, and the radeon driver is now unstable for me agian too, hope they manage to fix that before release
[08:57] <pqnet> vousdeux there is an entry about your synaptic touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:57] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: I think that's an issue for all distros--I've heard similar complaints in #suse, #mandriva, and so on. probably the best place to ask is the "experts" in #compiz-fusion
[08:57] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, I'll create a nopaste...
[08:58] <robinson> frank: no
[08:58] <pqnet> vousdeux nopaste??
[08:58] <robinson> it works okay enough, but anyone who realy wants in can collect enough packets and "construct" your WEP key
[08:58] <usser> wep is a joke
[08:59] <frank_> robinson: I know that's why I asked...
[08:59] <Leonekl> hello folks
[08:59] <rexy_> it's in use still, but they cycle the keys very often
[08:59] <Leonekl> anyone here having issues with the LOGoff icon
[08:59] <robinson> guess it depends on where you live. I dont have any ultra-secure info here, plus no one in this area knows how to do anything anyway
[08:59] <rexy_> well they should anywa
[08:59] <VousDeux> pqnet, http://nopaste.com/p/aRRpIG2Cab
[08:59] <Leonekl> not bringing up the option to restart or shutdown the os
[08:59] <Leonekl> it just freezes the pc
[08:59] <robinson> rexy, what was your comment about MAC filtering?
[08:59] <pqnet> oh funny!
[09:00] <robinson> is one able to pull a users MAC id from packets and clone it from his/her machine?
[09:00] <rexy_> that MAC filtering is trivial to get around, since anyone can bump anyone of a open/wep access point, and assume your mac
[09:00] <void^> robinson: yes
[09:00] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: ?
[09:00] <rexy_> robinson: as i said, i can tell the AP you are leaving, it will disconnect you, and i can get on
[09:01] <robinson> oh. I know very little about network security, obviosly. So, what is the best encrytion method to use?
[09:01] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: ??
[09:01] <rexy_> robinson: wpa or better
[09:01] <bazhang> did you see my comment above?
[09:01] <robinson> does NM support WPA?
[09:01] <rexy_> depends on your card
[09:01] <robinson> also, i wonder if my Nintendo Wii does...
[09:01] <pqnet> vousdeux you sure your touchpad is connected to /dev/psaux ?
[09:01] <robinson> using a bcm43xx with ndiswrapper
[09:01] <rexy_> yeah it should
[09:01] <bazhang> wii supports wpa
[09:01] <nosrednaekim> robinson: yeah.. it supports WPA
[09:01] <rexy_> dunno about broadcoms, i'd guess they would with ndiswrapper
[09:01] <VousDeux> pqnet, how can I answer that question?
[09:01] <bazhang> I have it going now.
[09:02] <rexy_> i dtiched my acx111 for a atheros card to get rid of ndiswrapper though
[09:02] <robinson> you got me curious.... how does one configure WPA in linux? I have read a lot abotu wpa supplicant, but guess i dont understand
[09:02] <rexy_> !wireless
[09:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:02] <pqnet> vousdeux go to console (no x: ctrl+alt+f2) and login
[09:02] <bazhang> it's all a dropdown menu now, used to be all console.
[09:02] <robinson> gotta go potty, be right back
[09:03] <rexy_> tmfi
[09:03] <pqnet> then as root do "cat /dev/psaux" and try move your touchpad
[09:03] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I'm logged in on tty2
[09:03] <pqnet> if funny characters come out then it's ok
[09:04] <bazhang> expert help arrives...
[09:04] <pqnet> press ctrl+c to exit from cat and "reset" to restore readable characters in terminal
[09:04] <bazhang> thanks pqnet!
[09:05] <robinson> appreciate the wpa docs, reading now
[09:06] <rexy_> there's a few good sticky's in the network+wireless section on ubuntuforums too robinson , they were a great help for me
[09:06] <frank_> robinson: did you tru network manager?
[09:06] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I did that
[09:06] <robinson> network manager is working for me
[09:06] <robinson> you mean to set up wpa?
[09:07] <frank_> robinson: yeah for wpa
[09:07] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: found it
[09:07] <speart> Is there any report on Gutsy stability right now?
[09:07] <ConstyXIV> bazhang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=507332&highlight=mplayer+compiz
[09:07] <robinson> not yet. This will be my first adventure into WPA
[09:07] <ConstyXIV> speart: stable enough
[09:07] <VousDeux> pqnet, I did not see any funny characters
[09:08] <speart> k thx
[09:08] <ConstyXIV> speart: still, be careful with your data
[09:08] <robinson> my router offers WPA and WPA2 with personal and enterprise on both
[09:08] <pqnet> vousdeux so your touchpad is not connected to /dev/psaux
[09:08] <robinson> it is a Linksys WRT54G
[09:08] <bazhang> ConstyXIV: thanks! and thanks for helping out!
[09:08] <VousDeux> pqnet, sorry for the delay in response...I'm having trouble finding your comments because you did not mention my name in them
[09:09] <rexy_> you just need personal robinson
[09:09] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay so how do I figure out where it is connected?
[09:09] <steven_> why does the sound come through so bad?
[09:09] <pqnet> vousdeux do 'ls -l /dev/input/'
[09:09] <robinson> tkip or aes?
[09:10] <steven_> robinson, was that to me?
[09:10] <speart> Should I download Kde or Gnome?
[09:10] <bazhang> steven_: which sound?
[09:10] <steven_> speart, what do you want
[09:10] <robinson> to rexy
[09:10] <VousDeux> pqnet, there are about a dozen lines in the results
[09:10] <pqnet> vousdeux you should be seeing some mouseN entries
[09:10] <steven_> bazhang, Alsa, it worked fine in Feisty
[09:10] <speart> I want to install 64bit Gutsy
[09:10] <VousDeux> pqnet, I see three such entries
[09:10] <ConstyXIV> speart: i'm a gnome guy myself (and ubuntu is usally more gnome focused), but kde's fine too
[09:10] <speart> Tried Gnome 2.20 with latest oSuse
[09:11] <steven_> speart, they both are fine it depends what you want
[09:11] <VousDeux> pqnet, should I just try each of them until I see funny characters?
[09:11] <bazhang> steven_: this is a beta; if it's a bug I'm sure they will fix it
[09:11] <speart> NM. I'll install both
[09:11] <nosrednaekim> speart: KDE is OK in gutsy... doesn't have bullet proof X though.
[09:11] <nosrednaekim> speart: ;)
[09:12] <speart> What version of Kde Gutsy got?
[09:12] <steven_> bazhang, Seems to be the same alsa, I lowered PCM to 0 then muted then raised it, it seems a bit fixed
[09:12] <nosrednaekim> speart: just use GDM.
[09:12] <nosrednaekim> speart: 3.5.7
[09:12] <nosrednaekim> speart: and KDE4 is in the repositories
[09:12] <bazhang> steven_: I had the same issue when I did the last update, and tried the same workaround. Cheers!
[09:12] <pqnet> vousdeux yes, but usually they are set in random order so setting one of them to your touchpad could work not all times
[09:12] <speart> stable or bleeding edge?
[09:12] <steven_> bazhang, does it work
[09:13] <steven_> it half works for me
[09:13] <speart> KDE4..
[09:13] <VousDeux> pqnet, oh, bummer....better solution?
[09:13] <usser> speart: 3.5.7 is stable kde4 is beta
[09:13] <pqnet> vousdeux you have windows installed too, and it works in there?
[09:13] <nosrednaekim> speart: just the releases, no SVN
[09:13] <VousDeux> pqnet, I do not have windows installed
[09:13] <speart> thx
[09:13] <pqnet> vousdeux good!
[09:13] <bazhang> steven_: now it does, the last update reset it to zero, I just went in and manually adjusted it,a nd now it is ok.
[09:13] <bazhang> and
[09:13] <pqnet> vousdeux i'm thinking about a solution
[09:14] <VousDeux> pqnet, awesome...I appreciate your time!
[09:14] <pqnet> vousdeux which laptop brand and model are you using?
[09:15] <VousDeux> pqnet, it is Microstart MS-1719
[09:15] <VousDeux> oops
[09:15] <VousDeux> pqnet, Microstar even
[09:15] <robinson> gotta put it out there again.. Is there a way to map my volume keys to the PCM channel instead of master?
[09:15] <rexy_> hotkeys
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> robinson: sure, set PCM to be the default master
[09:16] <rexy_> aka keyboard shortcuts?
[09:16] <rexy_> not sure if volume pcm is inthere though
[09:16] <pqnet> vousdeux try 'dmesg | grep mouse'
[09:16] <robinson> i have set PCM to default through kmix. If i use kmix, all is well, but if i use the volume keys on the laptop, it affects master, which is not doing anything
[09:17] <steven_> bazhang, yeah its half working
[09:17] <bazhang> steven_: half?
[09:17] <rexy_> robinson: yeah same problem here, i think they are mapped through gnome-keybinding-properties
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> robinson: I am having problems with hotkeys myself..
[09:17] <VousDeux> [   18.219047]  input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0
[09:17] <VousDeux> [   18.219599]  mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[09:17] <steven_> bazhang, it still scratches a lot
[09:17] <bascule> robinson: I too have the volume prob in kde, goes from 11% to nothing and back ... no use :)
[09:18] <bazhang> steven_: I had that issue during the second round of updates (90 some or so), then it just went away--sounds fine now.
[09:18] <robinson> worked just fine in Feisty
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> bascule: same thing happened to me.... but now its gone!!
[09:18] <steven_> bazhang, we'll see
[09:18] <bascule> nosrednaekim: it works, or you have nothing at all?
[09:18] <robinson> if i could just remap the dang keys, that would at least be a workaround. Wonder if this only affects intel_hda sound
[09:18] <bazhang> steven_: by the way, I just did a fresh install of Gutsy, and there were 294 updates!
[09:18] <steven_> it only happens in rythmbox with music bazhang
[09:18] <bascule> robinson: I am intel_hda
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> bascule: robinson: I think you have to set your hotkeys in the mixer global shortcuts
[09:19] <steven_> yeah I had a lot of update
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. its all working good
[09:19] <VousDeux> pqnet, I just thought of something...I had my touch pad disabled when I did the cat /dev/psaux/ command
[09:19] <bazhang> steven_: get amarok! just kidding....
[09:19] <rexy_> whats this registry like gnome thing called again? i added hotkeys and assigned functions in there, you could use that to change the pcm volume
[09:19] <VousDeux> pqnet, I'm going to try it again
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> rexy_: gconf?
[09:19] <robinson> global shortcuts are only present for Master channel.
[09:19] <steven_> bazhang, wouldn't fix the problem I don't think. KDE is mean anywho.
[09:19] <bascule> rexy_: gconf2-editor
[09:20] <robinson> the Master channel, if i adjust it, does not adjust the sound at all
[09:20] <VousDeux> pqnet, I did see funny characters
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> steven_: do try amarok... it might be a gstreamer issue
[09:20] <bazhang> steven_: I know; I was kidding....sorry.
[09:20] <pqnet> vousdeux ok
[09:21] <pqnet> vousdeux this is a very good news
[09:21] <VousDeux> pqnet, sorry about that
[09:21] <bascule> nosrednaekim: tried that in kmix, no joy
[09:21] <nosrednaekim> bascule: yeah... it didn't work right away for me either... I think it took a reboot or relogin.
[09:22] <rexy_> if you set the main mixer thing to use pcm instead of master, doesnt gnome map it right for you?
[09:22] <bascule> ah OK
[09:22] <robinson> using kde
[09:22] <robinson> is this an alsa issue?
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> robinson: no... I think its a KDE problem
[09:23] <bascule> nosrednaekim: it said XF86{Raise,Lower}Volume when i hit the key combos, so need X restart seems reasonable
[09:23] <rexy_> i'd say it's a keybinding issue, your sliders work fine i suppose, it's the mapping of the keys to the right function that's wrong
[09:23] <bazhang> pqnet: the voodoo that you do is great!
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> bascule: indeed....
[09:24] <robinson> rexy: not quite. If i am playing music and move the Master slider all the way down, the volume remains unchanged. It is only affected if i move the PCM slider
[09:24] <pqnet> bazhang you tried it?
[09:25] <robinson> just tried it using alsamixer in the konsole while amarok is playing. Same thing, Must use PCM instead of Master
[09:25] <bazhang> yes..pqnet; had the same trouble, but was with configuring a usb game controller--I could never have done what you just did. serious kudos. Thanks.
[09:25] <pqnet> vousdeux so if you try to configure your mousepad you get an error?
[09:25] <rexy_> robinson: ah like that, i have the same i think
[09:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> does anybody know if gutsy will have the CFS?
[09:26] <robinson> it used to be that both sliders have an affect on the actual volume.
[09:26] <rexy_> altough the master does affect the pcm if the pcm is way up i still get some sound
[09:26] <bascule> nah, now I got no hotkeys :)
[09:26] <bazhang> picard_pwns_kirk: no
[09:26] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, it will say that shared memory is inaccessible, and the xorg.0.log says the device was not detected so the synaptics driver was unloaded
[09:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> dang
[09:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> thanks
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> bascule: NONE?
[09:27] <bascule> well no sound
[09:27] <bascule> I have sound no volume hotkeys .. I'll get there in the end
[09:27] <pqnet> vousdeux you restarted X server after adding  Option "SHMConfig" "on"
[09:27] <rexy_> hah you have internet, so 90% of the problem is already solved :)
[09:27] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes, many times
[09:28] <VousDeux> pqnet, I suspect that she shared memory is inaccessible because the driver was unloaded
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> bascule: hummm my hot key is called XF86RaiseVolume for the increase key and <the same>Lower<the same> for the lower key
[09:29] <bascule> yeah thats them
[09:29] <VousDeux> pqnet, would you like to see a nopaste of the xorg.0.log?
[09:29] <pqnet> vousdeux if the driver was unloaded there's no way the shared memory is useful
[09:29] <pqnet> vousdeux it would be useful
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> bascule: ah... I was confused by your notation
[09:30] <bascule> it wasn't accurate :)
[09:32] <VousDeux> pqnet, http://nopaste.com/p/arWr0KHxt
[09:43] <rfcompte> hi
[09:43] <veresch> Folks, I just installed Ubuntu 7.04 and i am getting thousands of messages like this in my syslog: Oct  6 15:38:53 ubuntu2 kernel: [  450.118335]  scsi(0): [R|Z] IO update completion., does anyone know what might be causing it and if ther eis a way for me to turn this logging off?
[09:44] <rfcompte> i'm running gutsy beta, I upgraded the kernel and the gnome brightness applet suddenly stopped working. I have a vaio laptop
[09:44] <rfcompte> any ideas?
[09:45] <rfcompte> veresch: you want #ubuntu
[09:45] <rfcompte> this one is for gutsy
[09:45] <SoulChild> hey all, doesn't the vga parameter work anymore with new kernel 2.6.22-13 ????
[09:46] <veresch> ok thanks
[09:46] <kRush> !stages
[09:46] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:46] <kRush> grml
[09:47] <Suurorca> someone tell me how in the hell is ref to restricted-modules an answer to a question about grub vga-mode option ;P
[09:47] <kRush> Suurorca, sorry that was totally for my own information
[09:48] <rfcompte> so how do i make my brightness applet work again with the kernel upgrade?
[09:48] <majnoon> ok tried to install nvidia's driver and it says it can't find version.h
[09:48] <bascule> kernel sources
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux you still here?
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, yes
[09:55] <majnoon> in vesa now :(
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux try cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep Syn -B1 -A7
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, nothing was output to the screen
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux so the kernel didn't recognize your touchpad as Synaptic
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, that sounds reasonable to me
[09:55] <kRush> Upgradeable (upstream) in Synaptic means what exactly?
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux try nopasting the output of cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, I called the vendor, and they contacted the manufacturer, they assure me that it is a Synaptics
[09:55] <VousDeux> okay
[09:55] <kyja> so where do I go to tell developers that my hp's hyper threading still over clocks my cpu and shuts my power off?
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, http://nopaste.com/p/angX0GPfk
[09:55] <pwnguin> hp.com?
[09:55] <mahrellon> Is it just me who end up with Non working NV-glx and a broken Compiz after the latest updates for GG?
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, I wanted to try the ALPS driver, but I couldn't figure out how
[09:55] <kRush> kyja, file a bug if there is none already
[09:55] <kyja> but whrere kRush ?
[09:55] <kRush> !stages | mahrellon
[09:55] <ubotu> mahrellon: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:55] <pqnet> vousdeux you have no other mouse connected now?
[09:55] <kRush> !bug | kyja
[09:55] <ubotu> kyja: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:55] <VousDeux> pqnet, I have a Logitech connected to the USB
[09:56] <kyja> thx
[09:57] <guardian_> hi
[09:57] <mahrellon> kRush, Thanks for clearing that up. I'd better go back to Feisty Fawn instead since I'm a former Windows User (who refuses to go back to the evil clutches of Microsoft) and I've only been using Ubuntu for a month or two so I don't know how to compile drivers :(
[09:58] <guardian_> i installed gcc 4.2 on my gutsy, however i'm surprised there is no update-alternatives for it
[09:58] <guardian_> what's an easy way to update the symlinks ?
[09:58] <bazhang> hi mahrellon
[09:58] <mahrellon> Hey bazhang =)
[09:58] <mahrellon> How's it going m8?
[09:58] <bazhang> mahrellon: good and you? How's your gutsy?
[09:59] <pqnet> vousdeux try "sudo rmmod psmouse" and then "sudo modprobe -v psmouse"
[09:59] <savvas> ah bazhang i remembered, you wanted a restricted drivers manager for kde right?
[09:59] <pqnet> vousdeux and tell me which output do you get
[09:59] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay
[09:59] <savvas> bazhang: restricted-manager-kde should be in kubuntu
[09:59] <mahrellon> It's gutted! I'm rolling back to Feisty for a few more days untill the real deal is out. I just hope I can manage to snag the new DC++ packages from Gutsy and install them on my FF =)
[09:59] <bazhang> savvas: you can install it.
[10:00] <savvas> bazhang: I think you were the one who asked
[10:00] <kRush> mahrellon, I'm already seeing the necessary updates. but if something driver related happens there's always an easy temporary fix, just change "nividia" to "nv" in xorg.conf to get back into your desktop (but without 3d)
[10:00] <VousDeux> pqnet, insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/psmouse.ko
[10:00] <bazhang> savvas: was I? this whole Gutsy thing has my head spinning.
[10:01] <mahrellon> kRush, that's the problem. I'm currently quite addicted to World of Warcraft (slap self) so I really need the 3d. :)
[10:01] <VousDeux> pqnet, man...I wish I knew about half of what you have probably forgotten :)
[10:01] <kRush> mahrellon, hehe. runs nicely for you? my wow performance is the sh*t under linux =(
[10:02] <rfcompte_> hi, i'm having trouble with the kernel upgrade, can any one give me a hand?
[10:02] <savvas> 11:36:07< bazhang> savvas: all I see is choosing the card; where can I get the drivers?
[10:02] <savvas> :p
[10:02] <pqnet> vousdeux your mouse is detected as "ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse". The problem could be a compatibility setting in BIOS
[10:02] <mahrellon> kRush, mine works like a charm. I don't even suffer from any fps-drop at all when using latest wine+compiz fusion. Did you start your wow with "wine /yada/yada/WoW.exe -OpenGL"?
[10:02] <VousDeux> pqnet, maybe I should have mentioned that there were also a number of line feeds after the result
[10:03] <pqnet> vousdeux you should search for such compatibility option in bios
[10:03] <kRush> mahrellon, yeah. dunno if it's my card (7800gt) or something else. but 30 cherky fps on hellfire peninsula =/
[10:03] <bazhang> savvas: restricted-manager-kde - manage non-free hardware drivers - KDE frontend
[10:03] <bazhang> doh!
[10:04] <pqnet> vousdeux 2 last tries: first, try again "cat /proc/bus/input/devices  | grep Syn -B1 -A7" now
[10:04] <VousDeux> pqnet, the BIOS on this thing is very simple and I have read through it multiple times...I have never seen such an option in there
[10:05] <VousDeux> pqnet, no response from that command
[10:06] <mahrellon> kRush, hmm only 30? I have a 7950GT (Not much faster than a 7800gt) and I get a stable 50fps. Try to disable "World glow" and add "SET weatherDensity "0"" in your config.wtf. That's what made my Wow really rub some funk on the fps =D
[10:06] <pqnet> vousdeux second, try to reboot without wireless keyboard/mouse plugged in, and try again that command. If it has response it can be a conflict between the two drivers
[10:06] <pqnet> vousdeux other things I cannot think about now
[10:07] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I'll give it a try...I have tried rebooting without wireless mouse before, but it still did not change the performance of the touch pad
[10:07] <pqnet> vousdeux all your settings seems to be correct, this is a kernel/hardware problem
[10:07] <kRush> mahrellon, thx will try that once my 3d is back ^^
[10:08] <mahrellon> kRush, hehe. Good luck m8. Be sure to google for "config.wtf settings" to find even more funky stuff. (Like mouselagFix) =)
[10:08] <VousDeux> pqnet, how can I get someone to look at it from the kernel perspective?
[10:08] <rexy_> whats the purpose of the gnome-settings-daemon?
[10:08] <pqnet> you should get some output from "cat /proc/bus/input/devices  | grep Syn -B1 -A7". It could be it's a new model of touchpad not yet implemented from driver
[10:08] <pqnet> vousdeux forgot adding your name to message
[10:09] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay, I'll try rebooting without the wireless now...brb
[10:09] <pqnet> vousdeux or it could be an issue related to 64bit. Try get a live cd of a 32-bit version, and try "cat /proc/bus/input/devices  | grep Syn -B1 -A7" on that one
[10:09] <pqnet> vousdeux wait!
[10:09] <savvas> is the restricted modules resolved?
[10:09] <VousDeux> pqnet, waiting...
[10:10] <savvas> ah anyway, restarting
[10:10] <VousDeux> pqnet, I tried the 32-bit live cd, but I did not try that command on it
[10:10] <majnoon> ok tried to install nvidia's driver and it says it can't find version.h
[10:10] <savvas> majnoon: are you trying to install a driver from nvidia.com ?
[10:10] <frostburn> looks like your kernel headers are missing
[10:11] <guardian> please, i installed gcc 4.2 on my gutsy, however i'm surprised there is no update-alternatives for it, is there an easy way to update all the symlinks ?
[10:11] <pqnet> vousdeux I have to go now, it's dinner time. See you later, or in next days in this channel, I'm looking for a solution of my problem too, so i'll be there in those days. You'll tell me if you're successful with your trials.
[10:11] <VousDeux> pqnet, I will also check the BIOS again while I'm rebooting, but I'm fairly certain there is nothing there
[10:12] <VousDeux> pqnet, okay...thanks so much for your time and effort
[10:12] <VousDeux> pqnet, you have helped me to verify what I suspected was true
[10:12] <pqnet> vousdeux most probably the driver for this touchpad is not in the kernel yet, so you'll have to wait for kernel devs to add it
[10:12] <pqnet> vousdeux see you!
[10:13] <VousDeux> pqnet, cya
[10:14] <Hammy> Hi
[10:14] <Hammy> how long does the update take??!!
[10:15] <Hammy> im at 625/1015
[10:15] <Hammy> its at fetching the upgrades
[10:15] <rexy_> depends on your connection
[10:15] <Hammy> DSL
[10:15] <Hammy> 100Mbps???
[10:16] <rexy_> did you select a proper mirror?
[10:16] <Hammy> it been on for about 20mins and not it says 27min left
[10:16] <Hammy> no i used the one that they gave me
[10:16] <rexy_> Hammy seems fine, it can take up to an hour
[10:16] <Hammy> on the offical website
[10:16] <Hammy> oh ok then
[10:16] <Hammy> thats all i need to know lolz
[10:16] <Hammy> bye
[10:17] <rexy_> bye
[10:17] <ppj> i want my nvidia
[10:21] <ffixxx> hi is there an easy way to enable compiz(-fusion) in kubuntu gutsy?
[10:21] <bazhang> yes!
[10:21] <stdin> ffixxx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion follow that, ignoring the repositories section
[10:22] <ffixxx> thabnks
[10:22] <bazhang> stdin: I found that less than complete.
[10:22] <stdin> bazhang: then update it, it is a wiki after all
[10:22] <bazhang> stdin: really? anyone can do it?
[10:23] <stdin> bazhang: as long as you have a launchpad account
[10:23] <bazhang> stdin: I thought it was only members/devs?
[10:23] <stdin> (which you should)
[10:23] <bazhang> stdin: thanks!
[10:23] <bazhang> ffixx
[10:23] <bazhang> ffixxx: you still here?
[10:23] <ffixxx> yeah
[10:23] <bazhang> stdin: thanks again!
[10:24] <bazhang> have you installed compizconfig settings manager?
[10:24] <bazhang> hi VousDeux!
[10:24] <VousDeux> hello
[10:24] <stdin> "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[10:25] <tokorona> I havea quick question, then I'll go back to what I was doing. Does anyone know where KDE Keeps it's menu file?
[10:25] <bazhang> stdin: thanks again.
[10:25] <ffixxx> yeah
[10:25] <ffixxx> though is nt there something like beryl manager?
[10:25] <bazhang> ffixxx: do you know how to install software?
[10:25] <stdin> tokorona: couple places, /usr/share/applications/kde and /usr/share/applnk
[10:25] <tokorona> Thank you
[10:25] <ffixxx> yup
[10:26] <bazhang> using the console, or synaptic/adept?
[10:26] <ffixxx> whichever....
[10:26] <bazhang> both?
[10:26] <ffixxx> both
[10:26] <bazhang> cool.
[10:27] <rhalff> hi, I just changed to gutsy, and I'm trying the xen kernel, however it hangs complaining about ATA3 timing out, I have no problem with the normal kernel.
[10:27] <tokorona> .. weird. (I'm trying to figure out why my KMenu no longer renders correctly.)
[10:28] <tokorona> (As in, every entry is ":_ Entries in K-Menu..." it's relatively minor, but ..)
[10:28] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald emerald-themes
[10:28] <bazhang> paste that into a terminal window and enter your password when prompted.
[10:29] <bazhang> ffixxx: still there?
[10:29] <ffixxx> okay
[10:29] <bazhang> did you do it?
[10:30] <ffixxx> yup they were already installed
[10:30] <bazhang> ffixxx: you're using kde?
[10:30] <ffixxx> yeah and sometimes xfce
[10:30] <bazhang> best do this in kde;
[10:31] <bazhang> hit alt + f2 keys at the same time, then in the window that appears, type compiz --replace &
[10:31] <stdin> you'll want compiz-kde too
[10:31] <ffixxx> i m using kde right now
[10:31] <bazhang> stdin: that's included in the dependencies.
[10:32] <stdin> bazhang: you sure?
[10:32] <bazhang> or maybe not. no, you're right.
[10:32] <bazhang> sorry.
[10:32] <riotkittie> sweet. screen resolution changer is suddenly not changing my resolutions. <3
[10:32] <bazhang> just suggested. stdin my bad.
[10:33] <bazhang> ffixxx: after that, hit alt & f2 again, then type in the window that appears emerald --replace &
[10:35] <bazhang> then go to kmenu, settings, and there will be only two entries, one for compizconfig settings manager and the other for emerald--choose ccsm and then scroll down and check the box window decoration (if you don't have any that is).
[10:36] <ffixxx> advanced desktop effects setting ?
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> ffixxx: yeah
[10:36] <bazhang> ffixxx: yup
[10:36] <bazhang> then go to town!
[10:37] <luca> hi everyone
[10:37] <ffixxx> how do i make it start every session? and btw wobbly is not working eventhough I enabled it...
[10:37] <luca> does someone have still problems with dual-core/Nvidia?
[10:37] <bazhang> you'll need to check the key bindings for each one, by clicking on the effect you want (don't choose paint fire!) and then hitting the tab marked key bindings--the super key is the former (ha!) Windows key.
[10:38] <bazhang> ffixxx: it will start every session, or it will when its up to date...
[10:39] <ffixxx> okay thanks
[10:39] <bazhang> ffixxx: my favorites are the ring switcher, and the group tab and windows. rotating cube is so five minutes ago..yawn.
[10:39] <bazhang> luca: what's wrong?
[10:40] <bazhang> no problem.
[10:40] <luca> bazhang: after upgrade today (kernel upgrade) I do not have dual-core or nvidia functioning
[10:40] <luca> I still have a graphic interface, but the thing buggers me
[10:41] <bazhang> luca: how high do you have the resolution cranked to?
[10:41] <luca> bazhang: still 1440x900, that at least is okay :)
[10:42] <bazhang> luca: I don't know; you're pushing the envelope of technologies here...sometimes beta stuff breaks...haha
[10:43] <luca> bazhang I know :P the problem is, I guess, they still have to update the mirrors...I hope...
[10:43] <bazhang> luca: do you have the rotating cube sharing the two heads (I'm guessing)?
[10:43] <luca> I would if I had a functioning nvidia driver :)
[10:44] <bazhang> luca: guaranteed breakage city!
[10:44] <rhalff> Kenny3, vmware
[10:44] <riot_le> hi  @all, anyone get a Segmentation Fault by starting totem (xine)?
[10:45] <bazhang> hi ffixxx!
[10:45] <riot_le> same problem with gedit
[10:46] <luca> and tracker-search-tool
[10:46] <rhalff> hm, I thought i've upgraded to gutsy, but only did an apt-get upgrade after changing the sources, in what state is the system then ? I'm now running apt-get dist-upgrade..
[10:47] <luca> that one should fix it
[10:47] <riot_le> tracker-search-tool works fine, but gedit and totem crash immediatly after start
[10:47] <bazhang> rhalff: that only works after 10/18
[10:47] <tokorona> so. hmm. I'm getting a weird "_:Entry" error when nothing I'm looking at has something like that..
[10:48] <rhalff> bazhang, what only works ? dist-upgrade will fail ?
[10:48] <VousDeux> if the compizconfig settings manager is not on my menu, what do I have to do?
[10:48] <bazhang> rhalff: gutsy is development, not final.
[10:48] <bazhang> so yes.
[10:49] <riot_le> yes its still in dev but in beta-stat a system should work
[10:49] <rhalff> bazhang, yes ok, I know that.
[10:49] <luca> ah! tell that to KDE4...and I am a KDE-strict huy :-/
[10:49] <riot_le> not everything fine but it should work
[10:50] <bazhang> riot_le: not too many worries here; they fixed a broken cupsys and GIMP and uploaded it servers around the globe in just a few hours...haha
[10:50] <bazhang> to servers.
[10:51] <riot_le> yes i saw it, but i search launchpad and internet to find a Solution for my probs but found nothing
[10:54] <bascule> ok, what causes right click -> properties to show pretty much exactly 2*usage that du -h does?
[11:04] <riotkittie> sweet. 171 updates.
[11:05] <bascule> ;)
[11:05] <arnath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39801/ <- getting this when installing amarok
[11:06] <bascule> arnath: gotta try a different mirror
[11:08] <void^> it's looking for old versions, run an update
[11:10] <arnath> its fixed, i set it to main server
[11:10] <arnath> ran fine now
[11:10] <bazhang> yay!
[11:11] <arnath> :)
[11:11] <arnath> o while im here, two tiny problems
[11:11] <arnath> pidgin -> the text field to type in is like 1 or 2 pixels too small and when typing in it, the text "wobbles" up & down (very annoying)
[11:12] <arnath> so i have to change the input field size with the mouse everytime (since it doesnt seem to remember previous size)
[11:12] <arnath> can i fix this?
[11:12] <redheat> everyone..does anyone of you use trillian for chatting?
[11:12] <Dr_willis> heh - not heard of trillian in ages
[11:13] <arnath> too cumbersome for my needs
[11:13] <arnath> pidgin is kickass
[11:13] <sinX_> trillian Astra is pretty slick!
[11:13] <redheat> yeah, I know Dr-Willis, I had to use it instead of Mirc since it went commercial, and its the only chat client I use when trying to connect from windows
[11:13] <redheat> absolutely its cool
[11:14] <arnath> well, my other problem: the fontsize of the "title" of the windows is way too small (by title i mean the bar above the window which you can use to drag etc)
[11:14] <arnath> its almost unreadable
[11:14] <bascule> redheat: hydra is quite a nice wndows client
[11:14] <arnath> and the buttons are tiny as well
[11:14] <redheat> well thank you all folks, take care and have a nice day
[11:14] <Dr_willis> redheat,  xchat is avilable for WIndows  (several versions of xchat even )
[11:14] <bascule> of course they are all rubbish compared to irssi
[11:15] <sinX_> arnath: system/prefs/appearance/font
[11:15] <Dr_willis> of if ya got a machine in the basement with linux. ya can open up other ways to get to irc. :)
[11:15] <arnath> sinX_: they are all set to the same :|
[11:15] <arnath> and yet every other font is visible
[11:15] <arnath> just the title bar one isnt
[11:15] <sinX_> arnath: set window title font bigger
[11:15] <masura> hi all
[11:15] <bazhang> hi masura!
[11:15] <masura> Some (possibly silly) questions:
[11:16] <arnath> sinX_: seems to have done the trick, thanks
[11:16] <masura> I'm running Gutsy on a Dell Inspiron 6400, which has a Radeon Mobility X1400
[11:16] <riotkittie> trillian was cool way back before  i became a virtual hermit.
[11:16] <sinX_> np
[11:16] <masura> in failsafe mode, I can get resolutions up to 1400x1050
[11:17] <masura> but using fglrx, all I can get is 640x480
[11:17] <masura> is this a known problem?
[11:17] <arnath> *suddenly all ears*
[11:17] <arnath> i have a 1400 myself and have been considering switchin my laptop to linux as well :D
[11:17] <arnath> did you get the correct ati drivers?
[11:17] <masura> well, its a PITA
[11:17] <arnath> pita?
[11:18] <masura> pain in the *ss
[11:18] <arnath> o
[11:18] <rexy_> preemptive !lanuge
[11:18] <arnath> damn :<
[11:18] <bazhang> pain in the ###
[11:18] <rexy_> to late :P
[11:18] <masura> :p
[11:18] <Dr_willis> Pita - that bread they put Gyros's in! its yummy
[11:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:18] <masura> yummy idd
[11:18] <VousDeux> so many annoying little issues, I don't know if I can stand waiting 6-months for a new release, and then not even knowing if it will work then either
[11:18] <masura> but a X1400 isnt
[11:18] <arnath> masura: is only the 3D card annoying of you mean in general?
[11:19] <Dr_willis> i still see compiz as very much a work in progreess.. :) even if its said to be 'useable'
[11:19] <masura> Everything seems to work, except for graphics
[11:19] <arnath> ah
[11:19] <arnath> Dr_willis: compiz is working absolutely ace here
[11:19] <Dr_willis> you never are sure if the 'quirk' you are seeing is a compiz issue.. or some other issue.. so step #1 is to always disalbe compiz
[11:19] <masura> arnath: even the keyboard keys for volume up/down work
[11:20] <arnath> nice :o
[11:20] <ffixxx> i have another question, i want to install the latest nvidia driver nvidia-glx-new but xorg won't start
[11:20] <masura> heh
[11:20] <ffixxx> it copmplains about a kernel module mismatch
[11:20] <arnath> i think ill wait till gutsy goes stable
[11:20] <arnath> then maybe switch :p
[11:20] <masura> this is my brothers laptop
[11:20] <Dr_willis> arnath,  ive had issues with the 'vncclient' dialog not taking the input to enter the password. and some how  when some compiz settings are enabled.. using the 'tab' key in a gnome-terminal window. will 'dim' the window on the laptop. :)
[11:20] <sinX_> ffixxx: try using the restricted driver
[11:20] <masura> and I'm trying to move him over to Linux
[11:20] <Dr_willis> arnath,  just annoyances. :) well the vnc thing is a big annoyance
[11:20] <bazhang> laters folks...
[11:20] <arnath> :D
[11:21] <arnath> well i am safe...for now :|
[11:21] <masura> bye bazhang
[11:21] <arnath> though ive had my fair share of gutsy problems
[11:21] <Dr_willis> si i imagine theres dozens of other little issues here and there.
[11:21] <arnath> the most annoying being -> my network card just up & died
[11:21] <ffixxx> the one the restricted manager offers me is too old
[11:21] <VousDeux> ffixxx, I saw that last week, I had just updated the kernel and had to download the current nvidia driver
[11:21] <bascule> it's a computer running software,loads of issues :)
[11:21] <arnath> it was on eth1 and (though i got immense help from people on #ubuntu and here) it just wouldnt budge
[11:21] <arnath> i had to put in another lan card to get online :|
[11:21] <ffixxx> it has that annoying black window bug
[11:21] <Dr_willis> arnath,  ive had samba issues with gutsy on and off also.. ;(
[11:22] <arnath> samba has (so far) worked amazingly well
[11:22] <Dr_willis> You mean the actual card died eh? :)
[11:22] <arnath> Dr_willis: the card still works ok, cause its a dual boot windows and win has no problems
[11:22] <Dr_willis> samba 'worked' but would timeout when trying to access some of the shares on the lan.
[11:22] <arnath> :s
[11:22] <Dr_willis> it would time out instantly..
[11:22] <arnath> i actually had a very slow connection to my usb drive the other day, though i dnno if it was samba
[11:22] <arnath> didnt think so at the time, but now youre making me wonder
[11:23] <bastid_raZor> after entering gksu "update-manager -c -d" i get warning :could not initiate dbus .. is this an error worthy of waiting till the official release is out?
[11:23] <atlfalcons866> is it normal to have 120 updates a day
[11:23] <Dr_willis> the forums implied ti was a samba config setting.. but i was using the default config, and how could the samba config affect the fuse-samba stuff, and kde, and gnomes samba browsers. and the samba client command...
[11:24] <Dr_willis> atlfalcons866,  for beta software - yes. :)
[11:24] <atlfalcons866> ok
[11:24] <satafterh> did they fix the install issue with 8800 nvidia cards
[11:24] <Dr_willis> Its bug-squishing week.
[11:24] <Dr_willis> satafterh,  it installed fine with my 8800gtsXXX
[11:24] <bascule> is the relese the 17th?
[11:24] <Dr_willis> bascule,  thats the target i think. Not heard of any delays
[11:24] <bascule> thanks
[11:25] <bascule> !schedule
[11:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:26] <arnath> so far, its been a v good beta imho
[11:26] <bascule> that top link is 12 months out of date :)
[11:26] <arnath> i had waaaay more trouble with feisty on the release day then i did wiv gutsy in beta :D
[11:27] <tokorona> I'm having fun with gutsy, yes. I had to reinstall ndiswrapper to get it work fine and beyond that, just the KDE menu goofup is bothering me.
[11:27] <tokorona> (granted, ndiswrapperi s always picky.)
[11:27] <bascule> tokorona: what menu goof?
[11:27] <bastid_raZor> i've heard the error :warning could not initiate dbus" affected mainly  cups .. preventing it from updating
[11:28] <tokorona> It's displaying "_:Entries in KMenu: Stirgi.." for anything that's default or KDE based
[11:28] <bascule> in gnome?
[11:28] <tokorona> IT's nto doing it for Add/Remove Programs, xchat, gimp, emacs, maelstron, lincity, firefox, xchat, etc..
[11:28] <tokorona> no, KDE.
[11:29] <tokorona> I run Kubuntu
[11:29] <bascule> me too, not seeing it
[11:29] <tokorona> yeah, that's what's irking me. I ran KMenuedit..
[11:29] <tokorona> .. and it's showing nothing wrong.
[11:29] <bascule> icon/theme issue?
[11:30] <tokorona> hmm. It could be, although I didn't alter my theme or anything.. let me look at the theme display
[11:30] <bascule> I've had annoyances like that with incomplete icon sets
[11:30] <arnath> something strange, when i have an app on workspace 2 or 3 and i wanna move it to 4, it always goes to 1 :|
[11:31] <arnath> and only once its in one, can i move it to 4
[11:31] <Dr_willis> that sounds like a compiz thang.
[11:31] <arnath> ah :p
[11:31] <bascule> arnath: I believe there is some workspac bug in compiz, tell it in general that you want 5 workspaces
[11:32] <Dr_willis> compiz has settings for the # of workspaces.. but i think that kdes own workspace settings.. can sort of cause conflicts
[11:32] <arnath> amarok shows a popup saying what song its playing ay? although this is nice generally speaking, can i turn it off when workin/playing?
[11:32] <arnath> ah wel, its no biggy
[11:32] <Dr_willis> check the amarok settings yet?
[11:32] <bascule> ccsm - general - desktop size
[11:32] <Dr_willis> the OSD feature i think has a check box somewher and other settings
[11:32] <arnath> Dr_willis: i was taking the lame road :<
[11:33] <dennda> err "xrandr -o left" doesn't work with latest updates...
[11:33] <dennda> worked quite fine up to now
 http://www.mixupload.com  loads of free electronica and dance music </offtopic>
[11:35] <bascule> there is just so much top-quality stuff there I had to say something :)
[11:35] <arnath> what a plot...Two young teens' real selves are invisible to others, one due to his untimely death and the other due to the neglect she's endured since the death of her mother.
[11:36] <arnath> hmm, ww it seems :|
[11:36] <Dr_willis> arnath,  sounds chearfull.
[11:36] <bascule> lol
[11:36] <arnath> sounds horrid no? :D
[11:37] <ffixxx> argh i still can't get nvidia-glx-new to work
[11:38] <ffixxx> where are those kernel modules?
[11:39] <bascule> running an update, the battery has been removed pops up, it hasn't ..
[11:39] <Dr_willis> bascule,  cant seem to get the site to play muzak. :(
[11:40] <dennda> err forget what i said. this was due to my stupidity
[11:40] <wsjunior> wireless with bcm43xx doesnt work here anymore after latest update, is this a know problem?
[11:40] <DM|> Figured id try again..
[11:40] <DM|> Anyone here use 1680x1050 resolution running gutsy?
[11:40] <bascule> Dr_willis: well ther is a cool trick I will share with you, in the second box it says flashvars file=http://some.url , copy that infront of wget, hit return, sit back, wait for the music .. :)
[11:41] <vmlinuz`> is it better to keep gutsy updated by the X Update Manager, or by apt-get?
[11:41] <vmlinuz`> or both are the same?
[11:41] <DM|> wsjunior there was a kernel update, try booting through grub to -12 kernel
[11:41] <DM|> wsjunior that should do the trick for now
[11:41] <Dr_willis> i hear the update-manager is best for some reason..
[11:41] <wsjunior> DM|: thanks :)
[11:41] <vmlinuz`> Dr_willis: okay
[11:41] <wsjunior> i noticed the new kernel but didnt know that it had problems with bcm43xx
[11:43] <DM|> wsjunior restriced modules, try looking in synaptic and install the new restricted modules
[11:43] <DM|> bah he quit
[11:46] <DM|> sigh
[11:46] <DM|> Anyone here use 1680x1050 resolution running gutsy?
[11:46] <VousDeux> that is the only resolution that works for me
[11:47] <Dr_willis> bascule,  there we go.. needed to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:47] <bascule> Dr_willis: I see, but that grab the file trick is nice for adding to the collection
[11:48] <bascule> i like the lounge a downtempo stuff mostly, if you like kenny G check out Mister Fabio, *awesome*
[11:48] <pbx> I just wanted to follow up on my earlier question, in case anybody cares, where my machine was running for 1 sec and then freezing for .25 seconds. I had put some bad code in my wmiirc for the status bar, which refreshes once per second... :)
[11:48] <Dr_willis> bascule,  what second box? heh :)
[11:48] <bascule> hang on
[11:50] <bascule> under the track lists some thing that looks like this http://www.1clickcd.com/upload_files/mixupload/file-52963-1191600313.mp3
[11:50] <bascule> flash vars file= bit
[11:50] <Dr_willis> ok.. Not in the player....
[11:50] <bascule> no
[11:51] <bascule> i don't play them on the site, just grab them, I limit myself to a few a week to not annoy them, but it is very nice :)
[11:51] <vmlinuz`> does ubuntu needs a swap partition
[11:51] <Dr_willis> in the    Suport and promote this media and .... 'html' code area eh?
[11:51] <ffixxx> argh noone nows how to get the latest nvidia drivers running?
[11:52] <Dr_willis> vmlinuz`,  its a good idea to have a small swap Part . Yes.
[11:52] <vmlinuz`> Dr_willis: I checked my partitions, looks like i don't have one.
[11:53] <Dr_willis> its not NEEDED.. but its a good idea
[11:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:53] <vmlinuz`> i have 2gb of ram tho
[11:53] <Dr_willis> i tend to just put a 512mb swap partition on every hd i got . On every machine..
[11:53] <Dr_willis> vmlinuz`,  so. :) its still a good idea.
[11:54] <Dr_willis> live cd's can use the swap partitions also.
[11:54] <vmlinuz`> my partitioning is horrible
[11:54] <Dr_willis> this gets debated every so often in the various linux foruims/mailing lists.
[11:54] <arnath> ffixxx: i just enabled it in the restricted thingy
[11:54] <bascule> Dr_willis: yeah that bit promote the DJ thingy, scroll carefully down and highlight from http:// to the .mp3 at the end, usually before &lightcolour
[11:54] <arnath> ffixxx: worked great
[11:54] <Dr_willis> Even if linux isent using the swap. its benficial for it to have it.
[11:54] <arnath> ffixxx: other option is downloading them from nvidia site
[11:54] <Dr_willis> bascule,  yea.. looks like a job for GREP! :)
[11:54] <Dr_willis> file=http://www.1clickcd.com/upload_files/mixupload/file-53110-1191528814.mp3
[11:55] <alecwh> I'm trying to get my sound working on ALSA, so I found a guide here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131133/comments/61 . After I cd to the directory, and type  ./configure --with-cards=hda-intel, I get this: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. Can someone help?
[11:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in dell "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [High,Confirmed] 
[11:55] <ffixxx> the restricted thngy installed the wrong version
[11:55] <arnath> ffixxx: download from the site then
[11:55] <bascule> Dr_willis: say in a shell wget then drop the URL in front, all good :)
[11:56] <Dr_willis> bascule,  now if i could find somthing worth listening to. :)
[11:56] <Dr_willis> bascule,  will the RIAA come after me for this? ;0
[11:56] <arnath> these days, the RIAA will come after you for buying a legit cd even :|
[11:56] <bascule> i will recommend something, no RIAA all dance labels love the promotion, it is a self-promoting industry, sites like this are it's life-blood
[11:57] <arnath> not the brightest of people running that show :p
[11:58] <DM|_> .
[11:58] <DM|> haha two instances, woopsie
[12:00] <bascule> Dr_willis: anything by this guy http://www.mixupload.com/index.php?showuser=3495
[12:00] <bascule> Dr_willis: given you mentioned Kenny G, seriously, the guy is world class
[12:01] <Dr_willis> music for sensitive people (Deep House)
[12:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:01] <Dr_willis> I did find some "starwars techo remix's" the other day that were cool.
[12:02] <Dr_willis> Kenny G. and Weird Al.
[12:03] <Dr_willis> Been listing to some Celtic type groups lately.
[12:03] <Dr_willis> My dad though they were 'bluegrass' Heh.. with an accent.
[12:05] <erichj> !stages
[12:05] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[12:05] <bascule> Dr_willis: check out the waterboys
[12:06] <Dr_willis> hmm cant seem to find them in the search dialogs
[12:07] <bascule> Dr_willis: not on mixupload, you mentioned celtic stuff, they are very good
[12:07] <Dr_willis> Ok. :) heh
[12:08] <bascule> The Waterboys - Fisherman's Blues
[12:08] <Dr_willis> Gotta love Lovely Ladies with  cute accents singging..
[12:08] <bascule> all guys in that band :(
[12:09] <Dr_willis> bummer. :)
[12:09] <neh> I just installed the gutsy beta (64-bit server) on a new machine, and the network hardware isn't working at all. The hardware is the nforce 570, it's detected and forcedeth gets loaded, but it doesn't create a device entry. Any ideas?
[12:09] <Dr_willis> wife gets mad when i have lovely-lady-wallpapers.. but i can listen to them singing.
[12:09] <erichj> i used to think the mars volta had a female lead singer. imagine my suprise when i saw them in concert
[12:09] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[12:09] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[12:09] <bascule> Dr_willis: lol
[12:11] <DM|> ok... no matter what i do my resolution STILL reverts to 640xXXX when i reboot, ive even removed the option for that resolution from xorg.conf and it still does it.
[12:11] <DM|> or restart X
[12:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. having issues with Frostwire cant enter text into the text entry fields...
[12:12] <Dr_willis> wonder if affects other java apps also
[12:22] <dennda> am I the only one who has no sound with -13 kernel? (login sound worked, but nothing else)
[12:23] <uga> dennda: works fine here
[12:24] <uga> dennda: if the login sound worked, I'd doubt it's a kernel issue though
[12:24] <uga> try rebooting with the older kernel...
[12:25] <vmlinuz`> is wmv a file extension for windows?
[12:26] <uga> vmlinuz`: it's a microsoft's proprietary format
[12:26] <uga> you can still play those in windows though
[12:27] <uga> s/windows/linux
[12:27] <dennda> err
[12:27] <dennda> for some unkown reason the cable was uplugged
[12:27] <dennda> maybe i kicked it out
[12:27] <uga> dennda: lol
[12:28] <Assid> err
[12:28] <Assid> im having some issues
[12:28] <Assid> i cant get the network manager to connect to my network
[12:28] <Assid> im using a WEP 128 hex
[12:28] <Assid> howeever, it only tries a 104bit hex
[12:29] <vmlinuz`> uga: how
[12:30] <uga> vmlinuz`: you need to install w32codecs (or w64codecs, if you are on 64bit os)
[12:31] <Assid> how do i get this to connect to a 128bit hex?
[12:31] <bascule> doesn't the drop down let you select what encryption type?
[12:32] <DM|> mwahaha found a work around for my resolution problem ,
[12:33] <Assid> DM|:  resolution problem?
[12:33] <uga> Assid: I don't have a wifi network here to tell you about, sorry. But I'd really suggest you to use WPA instead of WEP
[12:33] <DM|> assid aye, after last nights kernel upgrade it didnt give me restricted modules, had to install those this morning, and for some reason x wouldnt display my native resolution , i had to add a whole bunch of stuff to xorg.conf,
[12:33] <uga> unless you love doing charity for your neighbours offering them free wifi access
[12:34] <DM|> Assid you know its safer to use Mac address filtering + WEP
[12:34] <bascule> wep isn't that insecure
[12:34] <uga> there's lots of tools out there to break them
[12:34] <DM|> Assid they can crack WEP , but its MUCH harder to get passed MAC address filtering
[12:34] <uga> iwcrack was it?
[12:35] <uga> sorry no, aircrack ;)
[12:35] <bascule> DM|: can sniff all devices in range, hi-jack a mac, very easy
[12:35] <DM|> uga aircrack is spotty
[12:35] <Inox> how can i customize visual effects in gutzy?
[12:35] <DM|> bascule but at the same time.. whats the chances someone in your area can do that or knows how
[12:35] <DM|> inox terminal- ccsm
[12:35] <bascule> in my area, me ..... :)
[12:35] <mzuverink> Are all the plugins avail for mp3 support and such like in feisty - restricted extras or whatever?
[12:35] <DM|> bascule well there u go
[12:36] <bascule> There won't be many thiugh granted
[12:36] <DM|> bascule personally ive never gotten aircrack to work. there isnt a howto thats worked for me
[12:36] <Inox> DM: ccsm?
[12:36] <DM|> bascule ive come to the determination that i have the wrong hardware
[12:36] <bascule> airodump-ng
[12:36] <Inox> DM, it doesn't work
[12:36] <Assid> DM|: yeah.. but first i want it to connect to my network
[12:37] <DM|> inox u running compiz, or basic desktop effects?
[12:37] <bascule> well with out packet injectio it takes forever, jst a senseless amount of time
[12:37] <Assid> it doesnt connect to a simple 128bit hex
[12:37] <DM|> assid what router?
[12:37] <Assid> dlink - di-524
[12:37] <Inox> visual effects -> extra
[12:37] <Assid> DM|: shouldnt matter on the router
[12:37] <Assid> there is NO option to choose 128bit hex
[12:37] <Assid> only 104bit
[12:38] <mzuverink> Is there restricted extras package like in feisty for mp3 support and the like?
[12:38] <DM|> Assid in network manager?
[12:38] <DM|> assid or your router
[12:38] <bascule> !restricted | mzuverink
[12:38] <ubotu> mzuverink: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:38] <Inox> DM, visual effects -> extra
[12:38] <Assid> network manager
[12:38] <DM|> assid the reason i ask what router is because some routers just plain are a piece of feldercarb, and Ive had problems with hex/ascii or WEP for that matter,
[12:38] <Nookie^> mzuverink: search for gstreamer package in synapic
[12:38] <bascule> mzuverink: sorry, yes they are in gutsy too
[12:38] <DM|> inox go to.....
[12:39] <Assid> DM|: nah.. i got a mac and windows connecting to it no problems
[12:39] <Assid> i even have a router bridging to it
[12:39] <DM|> inox System>preferences>Appereance PReferences>Visual effects tab, click custom, and then the button to the right, "Preferences"
[12:39] <DM|> Assid hmm tricky, what wifi card?
[12:40] <mzuverink> Ok, I just noticed no medibuntu repos for gusty and wanted to be sure I could listen to my collection.  Any Idea when the repo for Canonical commercial will be available?
[12:40] <Assid> err i gtta go check its a dell d600
[12:40] <Assid> some intel 2100 or something like that
[12:40] <DM|> prolly either a broadcom or a intell 2200
[12:40] <Assid> yeah
[12:40] <DM|> wow 2100 is  a little older, hm m, have you installed restricted modules?
[12:40] <Assid> its in live cd mode atm.. its installing as we speak
[12:40] <Assid> 50% done
[12:41] <Inox> DM| preferences not shown
[12:41] <DM|> Inox do a "sudo apt-cache search effects" and paste it in pastbin for me
[12:41] <Assid> DM|: either which way.. it should allow me 128bit hex
[12:41] <DM|> !pastebin | Inox
[12:41] <ubotu> Inox: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:41] <Assid> why is it stuck to 104bit?
[12:42] <DM|> Assid its prolly a driver thing, have you tried using the "manual mode" to connect instead of network manager applet
[12:42] <Inox> !pastebin?
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <Inox> don't understand
[12:42] <DM|> !pastebin
[12:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:42] <DM|> Inox paste the output of the code i told u to plug in at that link
[12:43] <Assid> DM|: only has 40/104bit
[12:43] <Assid> i tried manual mode.. didnt help
[12:43] <VousDeux> Assid, could it be an international restriction maybe?
[12:43] <Inox> !pastebin
[12:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <DM|> Assid at this point im at a loss, have u checked out Ubuntu forums?
[12:44] <Inox> i'm trying to use it, but don't know how
[12:44] <DM|> assid for anyone with the same problem?
[12:44] <DM|> inox see that big white box at that page?
[12:44] <DM|> inox when you copy the output from the terminal, paste it in that big white box and hit submit
[12:44] <DM|> inox then send me the URL that you copy from your browser
[12:45] <Inox> Ok, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39809/
[12:45] <Inox> is that it?
[12:46] <DM|> inox i think thats a result of all packages try this
[12:46] <DM|> inox "sudo apt-cache search desktop-effects"
[12:47] <vmlinuz`> anything similir to amule but better?
[12:47] <uga> mldonkey?
[12:47] <Inox> I tried that and got nothing
[12:47] <Assid> nah
[12:47] <Inox> DM| got nothing
[12:47] <uga> vmlinuz`: you could use kmldonkey with mldonkey
[12:47] <vmlinuz`> uga: mldonkey is different than kmldonkey?
[12:48] <DM|> inox kk go to synaptics for me, and do a search for compiz, tell  me whats installed
[12:48] <uga> vmlinuz`: no, kmldonkey is a frontend for mlnet (part of mldonkey)
[12:48] <vmlinuz`> uga: should i just install package mldonkey-gui or do i have to install mldonkey-server too?
[12:48] <bascule> aren't they shut-down?
[12:49] <uga> vmlinuz`: you should only need mldonkey-server, but possibly if you apt-get kmldonkey, it should get installed automagically
[12:49] <vmlinuz`> uga: so should i just install package kmldonkey? Or is it rquired to get mldonkey-gui too?
[12:49] <uga> you shouldn't need mldonkey-gui
[12:49] <vmlinuz`> why tho, im using X. i like gui
[12:49] <uga> vmlinuz`: kmldonkey is a gui =)
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> cool does kmldonkey share files of mldonkey users?
[12:50] <uga> you either use kmldonkey or mldonkey-gui, not both =)
[12:50] <Assid> seriously
[12:50] <Assid> i need some help
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> uga: ok, cause i dont like amule, all videos in amule are .wmv :-/
[12:50] <uga> vmlinuz`: heh, kmldonkey is a frontend for mldonkey
[12:50] <uga> it's just a graphical interface for it
[12:50] <uga> so yes, it shares with mldonkey users =)
[12:51] <ppj> i want my nvidia
[12:51] <Inox> DM| compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-compcomm-plugins-main, compizconfig-settings-manager, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main,  compiz-gnome, compiz-kde, compiz-plugins
[12:51] <DM|> inox thats what is installed?
[12:51] <VousDeux> Assid, from what I can tell, that 104-bit key is by design and is what you should expect: http://www.crazylinux.net/downloads/projects/wireless.pdf
[12:51] <DM|> inox or option to install
[12:51] <Inox> options
[12:52] <kravlin> does bittorrent work in Gusty in the 64 bit version?
[12:52] <DM|> inox so none are installed?
[12:52] <DM|> kravlin u usuing the default bittorrent or azuerus?
[12:52] <VousDeux> Assid, the part you would be interested in is almost all the way at the bottom of that document
[12:53] <uga> kravlin: if you send me a nice torrent, I may test for you =)
[12:53] <kravlin> DMJ: the default bittorent. It wasn't working
[12:53] <kravlin> DMJ: I was just wondering.
[12:53] <DM|> inox well i dont have much exp with the basic desktop effects, but if im not mistaken you have to have the compiz-fusion packages installed.
[12:53] <lordhelmet> hey all...running gutsy kubuntu with gdd instead of kdm. standby works but when i come out of standby, it restarts gdm and i have to log in again, losing anything i had open. this happened before i upgraded to gutsy too (yes i know gutsty is still beta)
[12:53] <DM|> Kravlin DM| :P
[12:53] <vmlinuz`> uga: i'm in the setup. it says "locate your core" where that should be? I install it via synaptic
[12:54] <DM|> kravlin hmm no reports here from 64 bit not working, i work on a 32 bit dual core so. :(
[12:54] <uga> vmlinuz`: not sure what that means, it may mean where mlnet is?
[12:54] <kRush> is there a workaround for rhythmbox using ~15-20% cpu?
[12:54] <DM|> brb
[12:54] <vmlinuz`> uga: yea
[12:54] <vmlinuz`> uga: where is it the mlnet
[12:54] <uga> vmlinuz`: /usr/bin/mlnet for mldonkey
[12:54] <DM|> kRush i cant even get rhythmbox working for my ipod, cant load the plugin, i think the file is corrupt, but the thing is.. you cant download the plugin anywhere
[12:55] <VousDeux> Assid, the only thing I can suggest is that you make certain that you have selected the proper key type in the wireless settings
[12:55] <DM|> kRush Im just waiting for an update, using exaile for now
[12:56] <vmlinuz`> uga: its not there :/
[12:56] <uga> vmlinuz`: did it install mldonkey-server?
[12:56] <uga> when installing kmldonkey
[12:56] <Assid> VousDeux:  i did.. still cant get it :(
[12:56] <vmlinuz`> uga: nop
[12:56] <Assid> this sucks
[12:56] <uga> vmlinuz`: then you need to install it manually. Strange.
[12:56] <uga> root@dpcuga:/home/uga# dpkg -S /usr/bin/mlnet
[12:56] <uga> mldonkey-server: /usr/bin/mlnet
[12:57] <kRush> DM|, since it is also gstreamer based I don't think exaile would change anything on the cpu usage for me
[12:57] <vmlinuz`> uga: doing it now
[12:57] <vmlinuz`> uga: should i run mldonkey-server?
[12:58] <uga> vmlinuz`: heh, hard question. I used to get it working nicely, and kmldonkey used to start mlnet automatically, but in my last run, I had to run mlnet manually
[12:58] <uga> vmlinuz`: first time you run, you'll possibly get a message saying "connect to core was refused" or similar
[12:58] <uga> then try File-> connect to core->Mldonkey
[12:59] <uga> usually it works
[12:59] <uga> if it doesn't, you'll need to manually run mlnet, but you shouldn't need to
[12:59] <uga> vmlinuz`: I tried again this time, it auto-started mlnet
[01:00] <vmlinuz`> org@nawaf:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:00] <vmlinuz`> mldonkey-server: /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:01] <uga> vmlinuz`: that's a query to check what package installed /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:02] <vmlinuz`> uga: i'm getting that its confused now hehe
[01:02] <uga> no, it's me who is confused =)
[01:02] <uga> vmlinuz`: just run kmldonkey
[01:03] <uga> then go File->connect to core-> and select MLDonkey
[01:03] <vmlinuz`> uga: I did
[01:03] <uga> you should be up and running now
[01:03] <vmlinuz`> Connection to the core was refused. Are you sure it is running?
[01:03] <uga> server list is there?
[01:03] <uga> oh
[01:03] <uga> I had that last week, maybe it does so first time you run the new version...
[01:03] <uga> vmlinuz`: then go to a konsole/xterm/gterm.. whatever you use
[01:03] <uga> and run mlnet
[01:03] <uga> then try again
[01:04] <uga> ie, just type in "mlnet"
[01:04] <vmlinuz`> ok
[01:04] <vmlinuz`> done
[01:04] <vmlinuz`> do i keep this terminal  opened forever\
[01:04] <uga> vmlinuz`: oh, a second... go into settings->configure connection
[01:05] <uga> vmlinuz`: possibly better, some programs need the terminal running, else they close. Some others keep running if you run the process in bg with &
[01:05] <uga> vmlinuz`: there's an option to set "path to mlnet"
[01:05] <vmlinuz`> uga: yea thats done
[01:05] <vmlinuz`> uga: i setup the path to /usr/bin/mlnet
[01:06] <uga> okay... and there was an option to autostart mlnet somewhere, I believe... a second
[01:06] <vmlinuz`> uga: ok
[01:07] <vmlinuz`> uga: cool i see 3 servers now
[01:07] <uga> good
[01:07] <uga> you should see hundreds though =)
[01:08] <wooza> !stages
[01:08] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[01:08] <vmlinuz`> uga: how
[01:08] <vmlinuz`> uga: what is the best server
[01:08] <uga> vmlinuz`: I guess it'll get more servers with time, but not sure
[01:08] <jrib> vmlinuz`: you can "disown" a job after starting it so it won't close with the terminal
[01:08] <uga> vmlinuz`: about best servers... heh, depends on what you're looking for, but that's OT =)
[01:09] <Assid> nah
[01:09] <Assid> it dont work
[01:09] <uga> jrib: oh? I'm interested on that
[01:09] <uga> how?
[01:10] <uga> jrib: imagine you do "foo.sh &" to make it run on background. Can I still tell that app that it's not supposed to be running on this stdout?
[01:10] <vmlinuz`> anybody here use Banshee?
[01:11] <uga> jrib: or do you mean through screen
[01:11] <uga> vmlinuz`: I forgot, another option is to run it on a screen. Do you have konsole installed? ie, kde
[01:11] <jrib> uga: ah that I am not sure, but "disown" will make it so that the job you have in the background will not terminate when you close the terminal
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: no kde.
[01:12] <uga> uhm...
[01:12] <jrib> you can do "disown JOB" as well if you have more than one job
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: I use gnome. but i got screen installed
[01:12] <lordhelmet> hey all...running gutsy kubuntu with gdd instead of kdm. standby works but when i come out of standby, it restarts gdm and i have to log in again, losing anything i had open. this happened before i upgraded to gutsy too (yes i know gutsty is still beta)
[01:12] <uga> vmlinuz`: I don't know if gterm can work as a screen session
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> hey, what are these processes. http://pastebin.com/m4a829a19
[01:12] <uga> vmlinuz`: konsole makes it so easy to maneuver
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: I'm running irssi now as a screen
[01:12] <slackern> I could be misstaken but foo.sh &>/dev/nil or something similar will make it not make any output, maybe someone can correct it not sure if it's correct.
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> uga: in terminal
[01:12] <uga> vmlinuz`: oh well, you know how to use it then
[01:12] <filthpig> does anyone know how wine works on gutsy?
[01:12] <vmlinuz`> yeah, screen is nice
[01:13] <vmlinuz`> then deattach and "screen -r"
[01:13] <vmlinuz`> right?
[01:13] <usser> filthpig: fabulous )))
[01:13] <uga> vmlinuz`: yeah, I just hate remembering those every time, and konsole does nicely.
[01:13] <filthpig> usser, great :) Using the winehq repos?
[01:13] <usser> filthpig: what do u mean how, lol it works period ))
[01:13] <vmlinuz`> uga: what do you usually manage screen with konsole, you don't do "screen -r" or what?
[01:14] <usser> filthpig: yea
[01:14] <filthpig> usser, there are a few feisty apps that don't play nice with gutsy
[01:14] <jrib> slackern: yes, but do you know how to redirect it after you run the command?
[01:14] <filthpig> i.e. Azureus
[01:14] <uga> vmlinuz`: there's a new tab button. If you press and hold, you can select if you want to create a new normal session, or a screen session
[01:14] <Mykelyk> Hi, could someone help me with my first installation of ubuntu?
[01:14] <vmlinuz`> uga: ah ic, I got what you mean now
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: oh yea? hm strange, are u sure its gutsy related and not just wine update regression
[01:15] <jrib> Mykelyk: hi, if this is your first installation, you should not be installing the beta version
[01:15] <vmlinuz`> uga: do you know anything about Banshee?
[01:15] <filthpig> Mykelyk, if it's your first experience with ubuntu you should really use feisty
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: cause 0.9.46 errors out in warcraft 3 when playing in the lan
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: for me at least
[01:15] <filthpig> k
[01:15] <Mykelyk> I'm installing the 7.04
[01:15] <usser> filthpig: so i still use 0.9.45
[01:15] <VousDeux> Assid, okay...sorry it took so long, I had access to my router restricted to another machine and I forgot...what you should be entering into the HEX key field is a 26-character HEX string
[01:15] <filthpig> Mykelyk, ok, then #ubuntu is the channel for you :)
[01:16] <Mykelyk> Sorry
[01:16] <bascule> uga: is there a way of getting kmldonkey to recuse through atop-level dir to share?
[01:16] <bascule> recurse*
[01:16] <filthpig> this chan is dedicated to the development and testing of the next ubuntu release :)
[01:16] <Assid> VousDeux:  thats what i did
[01:16] <Assid> also i think theres a major issue
[01:16] <xtknight> linux-image-rt uses 1000 hz, or CONFIG_NO_HZ?
[01:16] <Assid> apparently .. the live cd in the live cd mode  catches my wifi
[01:17] <Assid> i dont think the installed version does.. cause knetwork manager doesnt let me do anything
[01:17] <Assid> it only lets me modify wired connection
[01:17] <Assid> doesnt even show the wireless
[01:18] <VousDeux> Assid, oh, I didn't realize you were trying it from the live cd
[01:18] <Assid> i have it installed now tho
[01:18] <Assid> but now knetwork manager is awasy in wired mode
[01:18] <Assid> doesnt let me do wireless
[01:19] <VousDeux> Assid, I had problems like that before I found a good driver for my wifi
[01:19] <Assid> its an old one..ipw2100 i think
[01:19] <Assid> and still problems???
[01:20] <VousDeux> Assid, come to think of it, that was on Feisty, when I installed Gutsy it finally started working
[01:20] <Assid> VousDeux:  live cd catches the wifi card flawlessly
[01:20] <Assid> installed version doesnt