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hype_im' SURE they did it to test the x crash utility01:19
hype_:D01:19
hype_well, bulletproof X01:20
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erichjwouldn't they have selected something smaller to test it with?01:20
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erichjmelody, usser is restarting. he will be back in a moment or two01:20
savvasi have, in gentoo hehe01:20
melodyokay01:21
strangelv#ubuntu-studio seems to be an idlefest01:21
ppjblah these updates wiped out my mounts01:21
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melodybrb01:22
=== strangelv is starting to be very glad he noticed something wrong with his dist-upgrade and came here
strangelv"...instead of pressinhg 'y'01:22
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strangelvwb01:22
=== usser thinks he should lay off the updates for awhile
erichjusser, melody will be back in a moment or two01:23
ppjlol01:23
ppjyeah i just updated and lost all of my media mounts01:23
usserbut how can this possible though how can they put packages that break deps in the repos??01:23
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erichjusser, you get what you pay for.01:23
ussererichj: which is zilch ))01:24
level1when should I start updating again?  Have the package dependencies been fixed?01:24
usserlevel1: nope01:24
usserlevel1: tomorrow probably01:24
erichji'm updating right now. waiting to see if ipod mounting is still borked01:24
level1usser: will there be more bug fixing for NetworkManager and freinds? its very weird with my school's network, crashing or failing to connect01:25
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ppjHow can you list your harddrives that arent mounted01:26
usserlevel1: i dunno i turn off networkManager first thing01:26
ppjlike hda sda etc01:26
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melody_usser: hi01:26
usserppj: ls /dev/sd*01:26
usserppj: ls /dev/hd*01:26
ppjthanks01:26
ussermelody_: the old one works?01:26
melody_back.  on wifi, btw.     Backing off to 2.6.22.12 worked fine.  I guess 2.6.22.13 will be just a matter of time then?01:26
IndyGunFreakanyone else have issues with the dictionary panel applet>?... its not working for me.01:26
=== usser nice kdmtheme fixed!!! ))
level1if it wouldn't for that little problem, gutsy would be the sanest OS I've used, so I hope there's improvement on that01:27
level1usser: what do you do without NetworkManager?01:27
level1connect on the command line?01:27
melody_usser: yes works fine.   now which leads me to my next question..  where is the grub editor in kubuntu? (or do I need to get via konsole)01:27
strangelvIndyGunFreak: what's the name of the applet?  I can't say I've run it01:27
ussermelody_: what do u mean grub editor the menu is at /boot/grub/menu.lst01:27
IndyGunFreakstrangelv: dictionary look up.v  it doesn't let me type anythin in the gox01:28
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melody_well, I'm more familiar with pclinuxos that has a boot menu editor..  but I can manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst no problem01:28
melody_okay...  altered menu.lst default kernel.01:29
melody_thanks.01:29
strangelvIndyGunFreak: do you have a name for the executable and/or package?01:29
ussermelody_: np01:29
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=== strangelv : <tim167> what's a quick way to rip an audio CD into wav files ?
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:LjL] : Fixed cupsys is uploaded, please be patient | If you regularly update ("dist-upgrade" or otherwise), you already have the beta | Don't run gutsy if you don't know what you're doing | Don't use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu | See releases.ubuntu.com for the beta cds
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IndyGunFreakstrangelv: no sorry i don't, i just lcick add to panel, then dictionarylookup01:30
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strangelv:: tries dictionarylookup, but neither ard of itnbash nor apt-get has he01:34
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=== strangelv really needs to install the changes to get rid of his worst synaptic annoyances
DigitalNinjadoes anyone know how to get the screensaver plugin working for compiz?01:35
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usserheh comcast?01:36
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RoC_MasterMind"Your router is affected by a bug"01:37
usseraha01:37
RoC_MasterMindmeh muh meh meh meh01:37
ussera bug they say01:37
RoC_MasterMindshut up and let me join.01:37
RoC_MasterMindI do their little fix for xchat and it still is broken01:37
RoC_MasterMindbut when I open another connection to the server I get joined fine01:37
contrast83Greets, everyone.01:37
strangelvcontrast83:Hello01:38
RoC_MasterMindI've been joining fine for ages...is this a new checkc?01:38
carwashcan i go straight from 6.10 to gutsy?01:38
RoC_MasterMind__no carwash01:38
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ussercarwash: backup and clean install01:38
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carwashdidn't think so :/01:38
strangelvwhat are the problems?01:38
carwashis there a way to do a netinstall?01:38
carwashI'm tired of burning cds that don't work01:39
contrast83Anyone else having trouble with the latest update? My system hangs at a black screen with a blinking cursor after the bootsplash completes.01:39
strangelvI remember when upgrades with Debian or Debian based wire trivial01:39
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ussercontrast83: the latest update was incomplete01:39
contrast83carwash: are you using cd-rws?01:39
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carwashnope01:39
ussercontrast83: press esc when grub boots and boot older kernel, 2.6.22.1201:39
carwashi'm guessing my drive might be bust01:40
ussercontrast83: for now, i guess they'll fix it soon01:40
contrast83usser: I already tried that. Could only boot into safe mode.01:40
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contrast83And I got "no manageable screens found" when I ran /etc/init.d/kdm restart01:41
tecumsehhi there01:41
pwnguinstrangelv: no, i dont01:41
ussercontrast83: with old kernel or the new one?01:41
pwnguinstrangelv: when was it trivial?01:41
contrast83Old.01:41
ussercontrast83: which video card u have?01:41
contrast83nVidia 7600 GS01:41
ussercontrast83: reinstall nvidia-glx-new01:42
tecumsehlatest update broke my restricted modules, anyone else having the same problems? Re-enabeling the modules suggests me to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic but that package is not available01:42
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contrast83usser: I tried that and found I wasn't online. Ran NetworkManager and it complained dbus wasn't running, wasn't sure what to do at that point. /etc/init.d/networking restart?01:43
ussercontrast83: and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22.1201:43
thorettwell, i just updated my gutsy version and my X seemed to "crash"01:43
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thoretti suspect it has something to do with the "linux-restricted-modules-generic" package is held back01:43
ussercontrast83: dang it really screwed it up huh01:43
contrast83indeed01:43
Some_Personwhy is gutsy taking so long for release?01:43
Some_Personalso what will be changed in the final version from the beta?01:43
thorettideas, any1?01:44
ussercontrast83: did u try networking restart?01:44
strangelvSome_Person? is it late? I thought it was on schedule01:44
ussercontrast83: try it01:44
contrast83Some_Person: The feature freeze already happened, so don't expect much more than bug fixes01:44
CroiXhow long does it usually take before new hardware can be expected to be fully supported?01:44
Some_Personshouldn't there be an RC by now?01:44
erichjit is on schedule. you should look at the release schedule01:44
contrast83usser: i'll give it a shot.01:44
erichjSome_Person, there have been 601:44
usserCroiX: depends if hardware is popular/mass producted 1-6 months01:45
Some_Personafaik, the latest thing is a beta, not an RC01:45
strangelvBeta is new01:45
erichjwell, there are no real RCs for ubuntu01:45
erichjfinal is the 18th of this month01:45
strangelvthere was a bit of time between the last alpha and the beta, which is why this machine was set up from a development snapshot01:45
erichjthis isn't windows01:45
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CroiXI was just wondering, because there seems to be problems with touch pads for a long long time for example01:46
strangelvCroiX: what problems are you encountering?01:46
erichjCroiX, how so. mine functions perfectly01:46
usserthe key word was )))01:47
Some_Personwindows is not very good01:47
usseroh actually its not01:47
CroiXI have the 'SHMConfig' problem...I cannot configure it01:47
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jpt9hey01:48
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usserhello01:48
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jpt9i'm running the beta livecd.  i ran the gui synaptic package manager and updated the list of packages.  it froze on the last one; I force quit it.01:49
jpt9except there's still a copy of synaptic running in the background, and I can't seem to kill it.01:49
usserjpt9: ps -al | grep synaptic01:49
jpt9i've tried kill -9 [pid] , and it doesn't work.  it doesn't complain with any sort of error...01:49
erichjkill -9 <pid>01:49
usserjpt9: sudo kill01:49
erichjhmm01:49
gene6482anyone get sound working on a toshiba laptop?01:49
CroiXI've been trying to fix it for over a month...I've tried everything except loading ALPS driver, because I can't figure out how...the vendor assures me that it is Synaptics and not ALPS anyway.01:49
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wabiDhas anyone tried compiling xbmc for linux01:51
CroiXksynaptics always says that the shared memory is inaccessible...the xorg.0.log seems to suggest that the hardware is not even being detected because it unloads the driver01:51
CroiXthe touch pad works, but is too sensitive and cannot be adjusted or disabled01:52
CroiXI've submitted a couple of bug reports, but I have not found any evidence that anyone has even looked at them01:53
strangelvwabiD: what is xbmc?01:53
wabiDxboxmediacenter01:53
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strangelvCroiX: I had trouble with sensitivity at first but eventually got used to it, although for pixel-specific graphics manipulations it's stilla  pain01:54
DigitalNinjaIs there a channel for compiz or ubuntu compiz?01:54
CroiXstrangelv, so you can't configure yours either?01:54
contrast83usser: same output from NM after networking restart. i'll just download the packages on my laptop and burn them. hopefully that works out.01:55
contrast83usser: in any case, thanks a lot for your help. peace out.01:55
jpt9anyone else have any ideas on how to kill synaptic?01:55
ussercontrast83: yea but the internet this only fixes video01:55
contrast83DigitalNinja: /join compiz-fusion01:55
szfanyone dipping in the 200+ updates?01:55
DigitalNinjaThanks01:56
contrast83usser: hmm... isn't it possible i can't get online because it's only loading in safe mode though?01:56
contrast83i.e., the module for my network card might be a restricted one, thus it's not getting loaded.01:56
gene6482anyone get sound working on a toshiba laptop?01:56
strangelvCroiX: what I was able to do on a different machine was to open gsynaptics, which couldns't make permanant changes on startup, disable tapping and unwanted scrolling01:56
crimsungene6482: need more details, please.01:56
ussercontrast83: oh yea right, right i forgot u ran in safe mode01:56
crimsungene6482: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and execute it.01:57
wabiDi had 212 this morning01:57
CroiXstrangelv, well, I can01:57
contrast83cool. alright then, later.01:57
CroiXwhoops01:57
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ussercontrast83: this packages should be in cache though01:57
strangelvI have a chronic problem of having random unpredictable center-clicks pasting to whatever random location my mouse cursor is at, and until I get a manager set up to run to disable tapping, that will continue01:57
contrast83usser: ohh yeah. duh. heh, thanks.01:57
ussercontrast83: in /var/cache/apt/archives that is ))01:57
CroiXstrangelv, well, I can't even seem to get that far because when I launch ksynaptics it just says it cannot access shared memory and everything is greyed out01:57
Some_PersonHave they finalized the Gutsy artwork yet?01:57
contrast83yep, i know. :-)01:58
strangelvSome_Person: I'm assuming so, per definition beta01:58
gene6482crimsun: i'm not on that machine at the moment, but basically, for my toshiba laptop, under both edgy and feisty, i needed a custom DSDT file, under gutsy, the sound doesn't work regardless, alsa is set up correctly, that I'm pretty sure of01:58
hype_any idea when linux-resricted-modules will be available?01:58
contrast83i'm embarassed i hadn't thought of that.01:58
usserhype_: nope01:58
CroiXI think it cannot access shared memory because the driver is not even loaded because the hardware is not detected01:58
strangelvhype_: I'm assuming probably within the next 12-24 hours01:58
Some_Personstrangelv: what wallpaper is included? lion?01:58
crimsungene6482: one of the cursed A100 or P100 series using Realtek?01:58
hype_yeah probably01:59
strangelvSome_Person: I don't know.  Let me see if there's something called LIon01:59
gene6482crimsun: it's a P105, with Conexant, but similar issues01:59
crimsungene6482: nevertheless, please run the above script and tell me the url.01:59
CroiXwell, it looks like today's updates have KDE and kernel updates again...last time those were updated it uninstalled half of my software and broke my display drivers...sigh02:00
strangelvSome_Person: I don't see anything with 'lion' in the name02:00
gene6482crimsun: i'll have to do it when i get home, i'm at work right now02:00
crimsungene6482: that's fine02:00
erichjgotta restart02:00
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CroiXoh well, I suppose I need the extra experience getting all of that stuff working again anyway02:00
strangelvCroiX: I must admit my main problem is dist-upgrade insists on installing Gnome, which I neither use nor want02:00
Some_Personstrangelv: so did they put in the brown curved line vista-looking one?02:01
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strangelvSome_Person: Got another name guess?02:01
CroiXstrangelv, hmm...did you install Ubuntu and then install KDE, or did you install Kubuntu?02:01
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Some_Personstrangelv: sorry, dont have its name02:01
strangelvSome_Person: wait... brown... you're looking for Gnome Ubuntu.  Sorry -- my included wallpapers will be different.  I'm running Kubuntu02:01
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Some_Personstrangelv: oh, nvm02:02
CroiXthat does seem odd indeed02:02
strangelvCroiX: I installed Kubuntu02:02
Some_PersonThey aught to open up #kubuntu+102:02
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strangelvCroiX: I have two Ubuntustudio meta packages that previously haven't required Gnome that abruptly do02:03
CroiXwhen did that start?02:03
gnubuntu12What's the latest kernel? My Kernel is 2.6.22-12-generic (#1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007)02:03
strangelvCroiX: maybe within the past 48 hoursn02:04
jpt9so no one knows of a way of killing synaptic short of just rebooting the computer?  (which is *really* annoying with a livecd)02:04
CroiXjpt9, did you try ps -aux?02:04
strangelvCroiX: I'm contemplating a bug report, but two people here have said it shouldn't be filed as such, but pointed me to #ubuntu-studio, which is completely idle02:04
CroiXjpt9, then kill -902:04
jpt9yeah.02:04
jpt9i tried that.02:05
jpt9it doesn't work.02:05
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Some_PersonI'm looking at the screenshots, yeah they did put in the vista-looking-but-brown wallpaper, i thing they ought to switch to the lion one02:05
contrast83Thanks usser :-D02:05
CroiXjpt9, that is the only way I know of02:05
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erichjupdate went great for me02:05
jpt9this is weird.02:05
CroiXjpt9, are you sure you did the kill -9 <process #>02:05
crimsunstrangelv: err, #ubuntustudio?02:05
strangelverichj: I'm glad to hear someone's not had problems with it02:05
contrast83jpt9: apt cache locked?02:06
jpt9no clue.  how do i check?02:07
erichjtry install a package02:07
contrast83jpt9: why do you need to kill synaptic?02:07
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jpt9it is locked.02:07
jpt9the gui synaptic package manager froze, and i force quit it.02:07
jpt9synaptic is still running.02:07
erichjsudo dpkg configure -a02:07
jpt9and I can't run anything else that needs it.02:08
contrast83jpt9: Erm. You're running Synaptic from the live CD?02:08
jpt9yes.02:08
strangelvcrimsum: I stand corrected: #ubuntustudio02:08
CroiXjpt9, try dpkg --reconfigure -a02:08
contrast83Why?02:08
jpt9dpkg complains about needing an action option.02:08
erichjcontrast83, that is what i was wondering02:08
jpt9contrast83: why not?02:08
jpt9:-D02:08
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jpt9to install trackpoint adjustment stuff, nvidia drivers, blender...02:09
contrast83it's dpkg --configure -a i think02:09
contrast83jpt9: that's for after you install the OS02:09
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erichjyeah --configure02:09
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jpt9status database area is locked by another process.02:09
CroiXoh, sorry02:09
contrast83jpt9: try this -  <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 02:10
jpt9still doesn't work.02:10
jpt9for some reason, synaptic refuses to die.02:10
contrast83jpt9: for future reference, don't try installing packages on a system that's read-only when you're installing them. ;-)02:11
erichjpersonally i wouldn't have tried to install stuff from a live session02:11
jpt9it's worked perfectly fine before :-)02:11
erichjwith a beta version?02:11
jpt9well, gutsy tribe 5.02:12
jpt9(IIRC)02:12
contrast83with *any* version, i find it surprising that'd work (not saying i don't believe you, just surprised :-) )02:12
jpt9what parts of the filesystem are read-only exactly?02:12
contrast83jpt9: Umm... The CD-ROM it's being read from.02:13
jpt9yeah...02:13
jpt9i take it the whole unionfs thingy (I think) doesn't cover the entire filesystem then.02:14
contrast83sorry, unfamiliar?02:14
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crimsun(cupsys already available)02:14
contrast83strangelv: syndock02:15
=== strangelv has one significant *ubuntu annoyance: packages that don't show up in menus and have non-obvious command names
dennda02:16
denndasorry02:16
strangelvcontrast83: thank you.  I'm now able to duplicate someone's inability to get it to not terminate with errors02:16
contrast83strangelv: you can always check the packages' installed files in your package manager. i realize you shouldn't have to though. :-)02:16
strangelvis that apt-get or apt-cache to do that with?02:16
strangelvactually, not shoming up in the menuing system is very arguably a bug -- and it's one that hits possibly a majority of things02:17
contrast83strangelv: Umm... I'm not sure. I just do that from the GUI. Been meaning to get down the CLI way of doing it though.02:17
nosrednaekimstrangelv: dpkg -S02:17
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contrast83yeah... i mean, how hard is it to write a desktop file when you're making a package? they only need what, < 10 lines to function.02:18
contrast83not to say i'm not eternally indebted to all the ubuntu packagers, just saying. :-D02:19
strangelvnosrednaekim: thank you for that.  Hopefully I'll remember it and get better results with other packages02:20
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strangelvcontrast83: There's a debian menu system that works with ALL packages, but I can't remember what it's called.  That or it was broken last time I tried to install it (wasn't on this machine)02:20
KevlarSoul I installed Ubuntu on a partition it made, everything looked great, when I rebooted there was no dual boot screen, went straight into winblows?02:20
strangelvKevlarSoul: Windows Vista?02:21
LilacorIf I am still encountering gimp-python errors, is my system basically hosed unless I know how to resolve this mess manually?02:21
KevlarSoulstrangelv yes02:21
strangelvKevlarSoul: I've read that Vista is overwriting the boot manager.  There's a solution, but i dovw'n know what it is02:21
KevlarSoulwell, at least I have a starting point02:21
strangelvMostly it's just another reason to * * * H A T E * * * Vista02:22
KevlarSoulhaha02:22
KevlarSoulno kidding.02:22
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KevlarSoulIs there any way to get the Boot loader to recognize Ubuntu?02:23
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LilacorKevlarSoul: you have to manually edit the boot.ini file02:23
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KevlarSoulLilacor, so it is possible?02:23
contrast83"$ dpkg -S packagename | grep /usr/bin" - thanks a lot, nosrednaekim. i'm gonna implement that into a script, me thinks.02:24
ubuntu_Hi all!! Using the CD after it boots into Kubuntu, the installer hangs after the keyboard layout is selected. Any ideas?02:24
Lilacorunless NT5.2 doesn't use NTLOADER anymore02:24
nosrednaekimcontrast83: :)02:24
strangelv"I believe the solution was to keep VISTA from deleting GRUB rather than to get the MS bootloader to recognize any non-MS operating system02:24
contrast83well i gotta get going. peace out, y'all.02:24
nosrednaekimubuntu_: try the alternate installer.02:24
ubuntu_how?02:24
KevlarSoulalternative installer?02:24
ubuntu_Do I have to get the alt cdS?02:24
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KevlarSoulI installed with a burned CD from the ISO02:25
KevlarSoulis that the same as LIve CD?02:25
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ubuntu_I think so.  I downloaded from kubuntu.org, burned the ISO, and now I'm running Kubuntu from the cd, but want to install it02:26
strangelvKevlarSoul: If the CD runs Gnome or KDE or XFCE instead of sending you to a text interface, it's one of the LiveCD versions02:26
bur[n] erubuntu_: so click the "install" icon on the desktop02:26
KevlarSoulahh okay02:26
ubuntu_bur[n] er I have, and it hangs after I select "next" in the Keyboard Layout screen.02:26
bur[n] erubuntu_: this is the beta?  try doing "man ubiquity" ?02:27
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strangelvubuntu_: that sounds like my experience with it.  Can't remember what version.  It was maybe Dapper.02:27
ubuntu_thanks bur[n] er02:28
strangelvThe alt-CD seemed easier02:28
bur[n] erubuntu_: there might be an odd switch you can throw at ubiquity... i.e. ubiquity --getAroundKeyboardProblem :)02:28
ubuntu_so I throw it into debug mode... we'll see what I get..02:29
ubuntu_I wish there were a switch like that :)02:30
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sobersabrehi. I am having problems upgrading cupsys package.02:31
sobersabreI am getting error during --configure part of the dpkg process.02:31
ubuntu_Nope...... no logs formed... just hangs out and does nothing02:31
crimsunplease refresh.  As long as you have 1.3.2-1ubuntu5 of cupsys, you should be fine.02:32
crimsuncupsys: Installed: 1.3.2-1ubuntu5 Candidate: 1.3.2-1ubuntu502:32
sobersabreafter some investigation, the post install script is reveiled, and it has update-rc.d command with an illegal option "multiuser"02:32
sobersabrefor some reason my update-rc.d scripts don't have such option02:32
crimsunerr, then your sys* packages are munged02:33
sobersabrecrimsun: what do you suggest ... ?02:33
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crimsunsobersabre: dpkg -l sysv-rc02:33
sobersabrethanks for your help, of course.02:33
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crimsuni.e., what's the last line from that command's output?02:34
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sobersabrecrimsun: ii  sysv-rc        2.86.ds1-3802:34
crimsunerr...02:34
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prestosdHello!02:34
`Matiranyone notice weird behavior from bash?  It doesn't seem to be reading my .bashrc02:34
sobersabrewhat does yours display ?02:34
bur[n] er`Matir: it probably reads your .profile02:35
crimsunsobersabre: why do you have a Debian Etch version of that package?02:35
prestosdI'm wondering if I can upgrade to gutsy through an ISO, without burning a CD02:35
prestosdcuz the iso is too big!!!02:35
sobersabrecrimsun: I have no idea.....02:35
`Matirbur[n] er, it doesn't even read it if I do "source .bashrc"02:35
sobersabremaybe I've not managed to stop a package from being upgraded via netselect-apt ...02:35
sobersabrebut I doubt it.02:35
crimsunsobersabre: was the install directly an Ubuntu one, or did you mix and match Debian apt sources somewhere?02:35
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sobersabrehow can I see WHEN have I installed the package ?02:36
sobersabreis such a query possible ?02:36
crimsunsobersabre: you can grep /var/log/$appropriate (where it's apt, aptitude, dpkg, etc.)02:36
crimsunsobersabre: in any case, to fix this, you need to remember not to mix and match Debian and Ubuntu binary packages.02:37
prestosdCan I run the upgrade package (to gutsy) through an ISO?02:38
crimsunsobersabre: you should manually install (dpkg -i) initscripts, sysv-rc, and sysvutils from gutsy.02:38
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hgjjjfhow do i install gutsy with all the drivers?02:38
crimsunplease clarify what you mean by "all the drivers".02:39
CroiXhgjjjf, usually, unless you are running unsupported hardware, that is what happens...no magic02:40
hgjjjfwell to work ith my card02:40
crimsunwhat card?02:40
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hgjjjfIdentifier"Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"02:42
hgjjjfDriver"i810"02:42
crimsunthat card should work just fine, at least 2D-wise, with the latest kernel02:42
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hgjjjfcrimsun, how bout 3d?02:43
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Lunar_Lamp'm trying to install wireshark - but keep getting told that I need libadns1 which is a virtual package.02:44
Lunar_LampI can't work out a way around that.02:44
RoC_MasterMind__try ethereal?02:44
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RoC_MasterMind__ubotu, !info ethereal02:45
Lunar_Lampethereal requires wireshark, which requires libadns102:45
ubotuethereal: dummy upgrade package for ethereal -> wireshark. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.6rel-3 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 60 kB02:45
RoC_MasterMind__oh02:45
RoC_MasterMind__i see.02:45
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crimsunhgjjjf: don't know offhand; I disable DRI regardless for lower power consumption02:46
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hgjjjfcrimsun,  thnk u can run me ovr it?02:47
crimsunhgjjjf: to do what, precisely?02:47
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hgjjjfcrimsun,  to install and set to low and have all drivers02:48
crimsunhgjjjf: try the beta desktop cd.02:49
hgjjjfcrimsun,  thnks02:51
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ericrostanyone else having problems with a laptop hibernating automatically after waking up from sleep?02:57
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pwnt-Hey, after installing gutsy do I need to update my drivers? Like VGA Card? I'm having little problems on startup.02:57
ericrostwhat problems?02:57
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pwnt-firstable it runs into a console only mode, then it changes into an X after few seconds if i didn't enter my login. and the Screen was really huge in the startup of X. then popped for me a window that says "Graphic problems" and it was 800x600 resulotion. after that i click ok. then it went into my gnome but here the resulotion is good.02:58
MekApelsindoes kubuntu include compiz fusion in gutsy?02:58
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pwnt-I think i have to configure something02:59
ericrosthmm.. no clue from me.. try an intelligent dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?02:59
CroiXMekApelsin, yes02:59
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hgjjjfgot this whn i tried to install gutsy Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)03:00
hgjjjfFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)03:00
MekApelsinCroiX: thanx (eller tackar?)03:00
pwnt-ericrost: after upgrading from fiesty to gutsy, do i need to update apt-get?03:00
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ericrostno, that should be done automagically03:00
MekApelsinCroiX: installed by default?03:00
ericrostpwnt-: ^^^^^^^03:00
CroiXMekApelsin, I don't know what eller tackar means03:00
CroiXoh, no03:01
pwnt-ok, how to change my splash window ericrost. because mine is saying "kubuntu" when im in ubuntu gutsy & gnome03:01
MekApelsinCroiX: might have mixed you with somebody else then,, "or thanks"03:01
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kyjaI have two desktop menu items in my paces menu03:01
kyjahow can I get rid of one?03:01
ericrostpwnt-: do you want kubuntu-desktop installed at all? if not just sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-dekstop, then sudo apt-get autoremove03:02
pwnt-ericrost: but I need to change the Splash. how can i do that?03:02
ericrostpwnt-: that will change the splash03:02
ericrostpwnt-: if you don't want kubuntu at all, that's the easiest way03:02
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sin1Is linux-restricted-modules update to 2.6.22.13 out?03:03
pwnt-ok what comes first, apt-get update or apt-get upgrade?03:03
sin1I see it in update manager but I can't check it03:04
ericrostpwnt-: apt-get update first, that's what pulls the latest package lists from the repos03:04
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ericrostpwnt-: but you don't need to do that to do what I described above03:04
pwnt-ok i'm just curious, so its like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"03:04
pwnt-thats how its done right?03:04
hgjjjfhow do i install these repos http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)03:05
hgjjjfhttp://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)03:05
ericrostpwnt-: yes, that way you're upgrading to the latest packages03:05
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RAdamslinux-restricted-modules-generic:03:05
RAdams Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable03:05
RAdamsTips?03:05
pwnt-ok ericrost , now im in gutsy and i go to screensaver prefences, then each screensaver i have is just a fully white screensaver. its like im in a White page. what does that means ;/03:06
crimsunRAdams: it's not available yet; please be patient.03:06
RAdamscrimsun: oh. thanks03:07
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ericrostpwnt-: hmm, not sure on that one, never messed with that much.. it works on mine.. I'm just a user like you :)03:07
pwnt-ericrost: okay, what does  apt-get dist-upgrade realy do?03:08
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DigitalNinjaHow do I play a video in Gutsy?03:08
DigitalNinjaIt's not working03:08
ericrostpwnt-: that upgrades to the latest version on all available packages03:08
nomasteryodasudo aptitude install smplayer03:08
DigitalNinjaI have mplayer03:09
DigitalNinjaI'm not sure if I have smplayer03:09
nomasteryodavideo as in a dvd?03:09
DigitalNinjadvd03:09
nomasteryodaah03:09
nomasteryoda!dvd03:09
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nomasteryodasee that one03:09
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prestosdHey!03:10
prestosd:)03:10
prestosdCan I run the upgrade through a ISO?03:10
nomasteryodahowdy prestosd03:10
prestosdit was too big for CD03:10
pwnt-whenever i go to menu, system, admin, restricted drivers manager, it says that03:11
prestosdHowdy ho!03:11
prestosd:)03:11
pwnt-You need to install the package03:11
DigitalNinjaI'm installing some software03:11
pwnt-linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic03:11
DigitalNinjalets see03:11
DigitalNinjaif it works03:11
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CroiXyou should be able to do a loopback mount on the iso, but I don't remember how off the top of my head03:11
pwnt-and i have those installed.03:12
branstromCan I use tracker to index my CDs and DVDs?03:12
branstromInstead of GWhere, which looks ugly and probably doesn't perform as well03:12
prestosdCroiX: Thanks, so can I just mount it and run some file?03:12
prestosdinside?03:12
nomasteryodabest is to rip them all then index that03:12
nomasteryoda=D03:13
prestosdor can I run update manager -d then reference to the iso?03:13
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branstromnomasteryoda: well... ;)03:13
nomasteryodaprestosd, you could mount the iso file03:13
nomasteryodato a path03:13
prestosdk03:13
pwnt-anyone.03:13
nomasteryodasay ... /mnt/mydisk03:13
prestosdwhat command?03:13
CroiXprestosd, I'm thinking that you would mount the iso kinda like a drive03:13
prestosdright03:13
pwnt-i'm trying from update manager, and it has the update "linux-restricted-modules-generic" from version 2.6.22.12.17 to 2.6.22.13.18 (size 24kb) but its grey as in i can't click on it then apply.. can someone tell me why03:14
nomasteryodafirst ... sudo mkdir /mnt/mydisk ... then sudo mount isofile.iso -loop -0 /mnt/mydisk03:14
nomasteryodathat should get it mounted03:14
crimsunpwnt-: because it's not available yet.  Please be patient.  Try again tomorrow.03:14
crimsunpwnt-: (archive admins have to approve new binaries)03:14
pwnt-crimsun: oh so in the mean time we cannot use "Restricted driver manager" ?03:15
prestosdnomasteryoda: okay, trying it....03:15
erichjsudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /media/iso/03:15
nomasteryodaya that03:15
CroiXthat looks familiar03:15
prestosd??03:15
crimsunpwnt-: just be patient (no).03:15
nomasteryodawhat erichj said03:15
prestosdokay....03:16
erichjsudo mkdir /media/iso03:16
erichjsudo modprobe loop03:16
erichjsudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /media/iso/03:16
pwnt-crimsun: ok thanks.03:16
nomasteryodawow03:16
nomasteryodamore than i used to do03:16
nomasteryodabut so cool linux can do that03:17
cromohi. I still have problem with gdm resolution. it's very low, and comes back to normal after logging in. xorg.conf looks fine, I have set the resolution to the desired one, but gdm seems to ignore it.03:18
DigitalNinjaIt looks like totem etc... can open the dvd and play. However, I get a green screen with no video03:18
cromoany idea?03:18
prestosdDid those commands, didn't look like any errors...03:18
prestosdwhat next?03:18
erichjits mounted03:18
cromodamn03:19
cromois this ubuntu+1 support?03:19
prestosdyah, gutsy gibbon03:19
prestosdor 7.1003:19
erichjif you are already in gutsy, places->Computer. the mount may not show up on the desktop03:19
cromojust making sure ;>03:19
prestosdnope, not mounted03:20
prestosdnot in computer or in /media/iso03:20
CroiXwhat about /media/iso/03:20
prestosdFOUND MISTAKE!!...brb03:20
prestosdit instead of -t03:20
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DigitalNinjaHas anyone been able to play a DVD in Gutsy?03:21
prestosdit cant find the iso03:21
CroiXDigitalNinja, I have03:22
prestosdIt's on the desktop, and it says me@me-desktop:~03:22
DigitalNinjaCroix: What application are you using?03:22
erichjdid you navigate to the directory of the iso03:22
prestosdim on the desktop folder...03:22
erichjshould be Desktop03:22
DigitalNinjaCroix: to play the dvd03:22
prestosdlemme double check03:22
naught101knetworkmanager isn't picking up my wireless connections, even though kwifimanager and wlassistant work fine03:22
naught101any ideas?03:22
CroiXDigitalNinja, I used Kaffeine03:22
prestosdlol03:22
DigitalNinjaoh03:22
DigitalNinjaI'm trying to use mplayer03:22
prestosdnope, ls says examples and desktop03:22
prestosdmust be at home03:23
naught101I've only just upgraded, and have restarted since installing restricted-manager03:23
prestosdDID it! :)03:23
CroiXDigitalNinja, that should work too...did you install the decoder?03:23
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prestosdYeah! It's mounted! Now what?03:23
erichjno idea. what are you trying to do?03:23
CroiX!dvd | DigitalNinja03:24
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zeinI have a printing problem with gusty. The driver for my LBP-460 printer must runn as root to work. it is suid and if I run "gs --optioins here-- |lbp460" I get the printer to work. foomatic-rip fails when printing via cups. It fails becuse even thought the lbp460 binary is suid it somehow gets run as user lp! I am prtty sure the culrit is foomatic-gswrapper but I can't for the life of me find out why! anyone here versed in the arts of ubuntu printing?03:24
analfabetaim using gutsy and have this error purging spe: raise ValueError, "the symlink /usr/bin/python does not point to the python default version. It must be reset to point to %s" % debian_default03:24
analfabetawhat this means?03:24
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prestosderichj: I went to the desktop folder, and it worked...now what?03:24
DigitalNinjaCroix: I went there. I installed the Libdvdcss stuff03:25
CroiXanalfabeta, it looks like you have a symlink that points to the wrong version03:25
DigitalNinjaCroix: The DVD plays but all I get on screen is green with lines. Audio works03:25
erichjprestosd, what are you trying to do?03:25
CroiXDigitalNinja, there was another command to type after installing it...did you find that too?03:25
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analfabetabut, in /usr/share/python/debian-default say python default is 2.5 and my etc/alternatives point to python25.03:25
prestosdSorry, had lag03:25
analfabeta*python2.503:25
prestosdanyhow03:25
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prestosdI'm trying to upgrade to gutsy03:26
bushwakkohey, I just installed gutsy gibbon on my macbook pro, but it doesn't boot. says that it couldn't find bootable media on my linux partition, and asks for me to insert bootable media03:26
DigitalNinjaCroix: Yup! I ran the script03:26
erichjprestosd, sudo apt-get update03:26
CroiXDigitalNinja, have you tried another dvd?03:26
DigitalNinjaYup03:27
prestosderichj: Trying to upgrade through/using the ISO, cuz it doesn't fit on a CD. And I don't wanna download all 968MB of data. :P03:27
DigitalNinjaIt's playing but all I see is a green screen with some lines in it03:27
CroiXDigitalNinja, maybe you need some more codecs03:27
erichjprestosd, apt-get will update your sources from the cd. once it completes. do an upgrade03:27
CroiXDigitalNinja, what engine does mplayer use?03:27
vmlinuz`can someone help me configure my vga driver. now I'm having a game telling me that I don't have libgl installed03:27
DigitalNinjamplayer03:27
DigitalNinjaI tried gxine03:28
DigitalNinjaI'm using gxine at the moment03:28
DigitalNinjaI get the same thing. Green screen03:28
prestosd??03:28
CroiXDigitalNinja, did you get the extra codecs for xine?03:28
analfabetahow can i force to purge some package? spe dont want it03:28
prestosderichj: I'm all updated but whaddya mean from CD?03:28
prestosderichj:  automatically?03:28
erichjprestosd, the iso03:28
erichjprestosd, yeah apt-get always looks for a cd when it updates03:29
DigitalNinjalet me check03:29
erichjprestosd, if you did apt-get update, run apt-get upgrade03:29
erichjprestosd, it will update from the iso03:29
erichjyou did mount it to /media right?03:31
erichjthat is important03:31
CroiXany idea why when I copy files from ntfs via smb:// they are always corrupt?03:31
CroiXI can copy with sshfs and they are okay03:32
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ppjWhere's the grub config gui hidden in 7.10? Can't find it03:33
erichj..i didn't know there was a gui03:33
ppji've used one before03:33
ppjit used to be under "startup manager"03:34
erichji don't think it comes as part of ubuntu. are you sure you didn't download one03:34
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prestosd_Hello?03:34
ppji'm sure, it used to come with ubuntu03:34
ppjat least in 6.x03:34
prestosd_Ah, sorry erichj03:34
prestosd_I lagged03:34
prestosd_reconnected03:34
prestosd_anyhow, I'm apt-get updated. What now?03:35
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erichjprestosd, apt-get upgrade03:35
prestosd_k03:35
prestosd_it says 0 to get03:36
erichjppj, well there isn't one in feisty.03:36
erichjprestosd, you mounted the iso to /media right? that is very important03:36
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prestosd_dunno03:36
masealright03:36
masejust updated to kernel .1303:36
erichj../media/iso03:36
prestosd_i ran the command just like you said03:36
masebut Xorg wont open up03:37
maseit says cant find nvidia kernel03:37
prestosd_Yup, it's there...03:37
prestosd_right at /media/iso03:37
naught101anyone in here have a broadcom wireless card working with knetwork?03:37
erichjprestosd, just a minute03:37
prestosd_k03:37
CroiXwell, finished installing updates...reboot required...wish me luck :)03:38
naught101er... knetworkmanager03:38
erichjprestosd, just open synaptic and goto edit->add cdrom03:38
zeinany printing experts here?03:38
prestosd_k03:38
nomasteryodajust ask the question zein ... we'll see what we can do03:39
prestosd_erichj: it says insert cd in drive03:39
zeinOK.. The driver for my LBP-460 printer must run as root to work. it is suid and if I run "gs --optioins here-- |lbp460" I get the printer to work. foomatic-rip fails when printing via cups. It fails becuse even thought the lbp460 binary is suid it somehow gets run as user lp! I am prtty sure the culrit is foomatic-gswrapper but I can't for the life of me find out why! anyone here versed in the arts of ubuntu printing?03:39
nomasteryodaits still pointing to the /dev/cdrom instead of your /mnt/iso prestosd03:40
erichjcreate a symlink?03:40
prestosd_hmm03:40
prestosd_thanks nomasteryoda03:40
nomasteryodanp03:40
erichjbrb03:40
prestosd_kk03:40
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prestosd_nomasteryoda: should I mount it to /media/cdrom?03:40
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nomasteryodaerr, nope hang on just sec03:41
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nomasteryodayou using ubuntu or kubuntu?03:41
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prestosd_Ubuntu03:41
nomasteryodaok03:41
gene6482anyone get toshiba p100 sound working on gutsy yet?03:41
prestosd_I just mounted it there03:41
prestosd_didn't work03:42
nomasteryodaright03:42
nomasteryodai know03:42
prestosd_It unmounted it automatically03:42
prestosd_ok03:42
prestosd_Sorry03:42
homanjany reason why the gutsy upgrade dl is going so slow?03:42
nomasteryodai would supposed lots of traffic03:43
nomasteryodahas been slow for me too03:43
nomasteryodaeven using us.archives03:43
zeinare there any other resources for printing help?03:43
nomasteryodaprestosd, you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file03:43
gene6482anyone having trouble download linux-restricted-modules-generic?03:43
nomasteryodazein, cups03:43
nomasteryodagene6482, its not completely posted yet i think03:43
nomasteryodabear with them... they are working it as fast as possible03:44
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nomasteryodazein, did you look at http://localhost:631 ?03:44
zeinnomasteryoda: thanks I will see if they have an IRC channel03:44
nomasteryodathey do03:44
nomasteryodaprestosd, the reason i say edit the file.03:44
gene6482nomasteryoda: oh ok, thanks03:45
nomasteryodayou can put that path to the cdrom iso into it03:45
nomasteryodaat the top would be good03:45
vmlinuz`how to reconfigure xorg03:45
gene6482does anyone know if there is an ubuntu-audio channel?03:45
nomasteryodamaybe ubuntu-studio?03:45
nomasteryodauhoh03:45
nomasteryodalost him03:45
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gene6482been driving myself nuts trying to get my sound working since i upgraded to gutsy03:46
vmlinuz`whats the command to reconfigure X03:46
nomasteryodathe old command was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... but that is old03:47
nomasteryodai think gutsy made a new thing for it03:47
nomasteryodalike displayconfigure or some such03:47
nomasteryodayup03:48
eythiangene6482: what sound module did you previously use?03:48
nomasteryodadisplayconfig-gtk is nice for setting up dual monitors03:48
nomasteryodahomanj, so what was your question?03:49
nomasteryodasee you over on ubuntu-us03:49
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homanjnomasteryoda: just wondering if there was anything that i could do to make the upgrade to gutsy go faster03:49
gene6482eythian: hda-intel, and it worked once i modified my dsdt(buggy bios) but since gutsy, it doesn't work03:50
nomasteryodaah03:50
nomasteryodayou in us?03:50
homanjcorrect03:50
nomasteryodak03:50
nomasteryodathere are faster mirrors...03:50
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nomasteryodawhat state is that?03:50
homanjMN03:50
gene6482eythian: worked in edgy, and feisty03:50
nomasteryodak03:50
gunnygene6482: i had probs as well with gutsy festy was fine ...whats your chip ALC880 is it iCH6 or ICH803:51
eythiangene6482: what is uname -r saying?03:51
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gene6482gunny: ich7 i believe03:52
gunnyi ended up with putting options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-digout in /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.modprobe as well as in alsa-base03:53
gene6482eythian: 2.6.22-12-generic(can't run the newest, since i just updated and there's no newer restricted wireless drivers)03:53
eythiangene6482: do you have the snd-hda-intel module loaded?03:53
gene6482eythian: here's an alsa-info script someone had me run03:54
gene6482eythian: http://pastebin.ca/72744703:54
nomasteryodahomanj, looks like the repos at umn will work for updates... sure to be faster03:54
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vmlinuz`I'm having troubles running gutsy, it can't detect my vga card at all, even tho I installed everything im still having troubles. can someone help me please03:55
nomasteryodawhat card?03:55
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nomasteryodamodel03:55
vmlinuz`whenever i restart X now, i get into a 800x600 screen that says "Ubuntu is now running in low-graphics mode"03:55
vmlinuz`and now in X everything is huge03:55
homanjnomasteryoda: thanks.03:55
vmlinuz`nvidia gforce 7300 GS03:55
nomasteryodahttp://mirror.cs.umn.edu03:55
eythiangene6482: hmm, I can't help sorry, you're not having the same issue that I had :/03:56
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, you need to install some drivers... sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new03:56
gene6482eythian: thanks for trying03:56
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: ok then03:57
nomasteryodathen reconfigure xorg.conf with the displayconfig tool03:57
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: do i need to do something with xorg.conf?03:57
nomasteryodayup03:57
homanjnomasteryoda: thanks for your help.03:57
nomasteryodaerr, ya03:57
nomasteryodanp03:57
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: whats the command again pls.03:57
vmlinuz`to reconfigure xorg03:57
nomasteryoda sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new03:57
nomasteryodaah03:57
nomasteryodawell i have done that with the nvidia tool03:58
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vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: how03:58
vmlinuz`i ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?03:58
nomasteryodanvidia-glx-config03:58
nomasteryodathat works mostly, but the nvidia tool does more03:58
nomasteryodai have that installed on my desktop03:58
nomasteryodaalso install after you get going... nvidia-settings03:59
nomasteryodaa gui frontend to tweak stuff from the desktop03:59
bazhangloads of new stuff in c-f in latest update but one03:59
nomasteryodaworks nice too03:59
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: http://pastebin.com/m77a3b3bd03:59
nomasteryodak03:59
bazhangyup03:59
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nomasteryodaok04:00
nomasteryoda'i forgot that04:00
nomasteryodado what it said.04:00
nomasteryodanvidia-glx-config enable04:00
eythianvmlinuz`: nvidia-xconfig04:00
eythiannot glxconfig04:00
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vmlinuz`ok, it didn't ask me anything.04:01
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eythianvmlinuz`: it doesn't, it just updates xorg.conf04:03
Gutsy_bI'm having a problem with getting video playback to work in Gutsy. I have used Gxine, Mplayer , VLC , and Movie Player with varrying results.  Two of the programs lays a grid of dots over the screen area, one program I was able to get clear mpegs but no flv playback. Would someone take a look at this pastebin of my prob?04:04
Gutsy_bhttp://pastebin.org/422004:04
Gutsy_bSelecting X11 (Ximage/Shm) in Mplayer got the Mpegs clear, but it won't playback .flv. I have tried similar video settings in the other programs to no avail.04:07
vmlinuz`still having a vga problems. restarted X and still on huge resolution, dont even have 1280x102404:07
vmlinuz`whats 256mb in kb please?04:07
nomasteryodathat doesn't matter04:07
vmlinuz`Amount of memory (kB) to be used by the video card:04:08
vmlinuz`it ask me this..04:08
hydrogen26214404:08
Gutsy_b=256x102404:08
nomasteryodano thats just what it asks04:08
nomasteryodait will know how much... it reads it and will adjust accordingly04:08
nomasteryodaeven if it does not say it04:08
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nomasteryodavmlinuz`, you did "sudo xconfig"04:08
nomasteryoda?04:09
vmlinuz`yep04:09
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nomasteryodabe sure to pic the resolutions your monitor can handle... like i use 1280x1024 on my 19" monitors04:09
nomasteryodak04:09
nomasteryodahang on...04:09
vmlinuz`now im running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"04:10
vmlinuz`maybe it will be better04:10
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nomasteryodait will walk you thru it04:10
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: mine can handle, i was at 1280x1024 when i have feisty and i have 19" LG monitor04:10
nomasteryodabut i'll lete you see what i use on mine04:10
nomasteryodaya04:10
vmlinuz`http://www.diskndrive.com/monitors-lcd-lg.html04:10
vmlinuz`thats my monitor04:10
nomasteryodak04:10
vmlinuz`im trying to find out whats my prefences. so i can put them in the configuration04:11
nomasteryodathe defaults will work04:11
nomasteryodajust be sure to set res to that 1280x04:11
vmlinuz`horizontal, 30-83? Isn't it low for my monitor?04:11
nomasteryodai'm gonna post my xorg,conf so you can see04:11
Gutsy_bWhat res did you get with the live cd?04:11
nomasteryodano that sounds right04:11
Assiderr how come getting refresh rates on and lcd is such a pain04:11
vmlinuz`ok im all done04:11
vmlinuz`again i will restart X04:11
vmlinuz`wish me luck04:11
Assid60hz sucks compared to 75 on an lcd04:12
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nomasteryodareally?04:12
nomasteryodaok04:12
chronographerHEllo. Anyone else had a problem with the latest uypdate? i.e. displayconfig-gtk package not found error04:12
Assidand getting it working is seriously a pain04:12
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, look ata it04:13
nomasteryodahttp://pastebin.com/m59b4b99b04:13
nomasteryodaposted over your post04:13
eythianAssid: weird. I usually ignore refresh rates on LCD and it just works. I think my current one is 50hz or something04:13
vmlinuz`ok I give up, something wrong here..04:14
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, did you look at my file?04:14
nomasteryodahttp://pastebin.com/m59b4b99b04:14
vmlinuz`looking now, i was restarting X and stuck as always04:14
eythianvmlinuz`: have you verified you are using the nvidia module?04:14
vmlinuz`full black screen and pop a window that says "ubuntu is running in low-graphic mode"04:14
Assideythian: just for the same of argument.. try figuring out how to get 72/75hz on that04:14
vmlinuz`and then into a "Login full screen" that keep blinking...04:14
vmlinuz`its weird04:14
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eythianAssid: I can't, there is no option for it anywhere.04:14
nomasteryodathat unbreakable X breaks lots on Nvidia stuff... from my experience04:15
tekhawkdoes anyone know how to get skype to work on gutsy04:15
nomasteryodayou install newest on tekhawk ?04:15
nomasteryoda1.404:15
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vmlinuz`eythian: Yes. I did in the xorg configuration.04:15
viatorhey whats up with the restricted modules04:15
chronographerI have skype in my repositories.04:15
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tekhawknomasteryoda: i have the newest gutsy as of 10am this morning04:15
eythianAssid: I just checked, it's actually 60hz, but it's a builtin laptop screen, so not surprising it only has one option.04:15
nomasteryodak04:15
tekhawkoh wait reword04:15
chronographerI think it is in medibuntu.  jsut apt-get it.  it will work04:16
kravlinthe newest gusty screwed up my monitor. has this happened to anyone else?04:16
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vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: why you don't have mouse configuration? are you using laptop?04:16
tekhawkanyone know how to get skype to work on gutsy x86_6404:16
viatori cant install linux-restricted_-modules-generic04:16
chronographerYEWS04:16
Gutsy_bAnyone know how to get Mplayer to play .flv files?04:16
chronographerinstall it04:16
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viatorafter that last update04:16
eythianvmlinuz`: how about the xorg log files? Do they agree that it's using the nvidia driver (i.e. not nv)04:16
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, no mine is setup fine..04:16
VousDeuxI have the same problem as viator04:16
gunnytekhawk: working for me have you installed and made an echo test call04:16
kravlinviator: having the same problem04:16
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viatori think we will have to wait04:16
Assidhrmm which would be the suggested download for c2q?04:17
viator:|04:17
chronographeranyone else got a prob with displayconfig-gtk returning NOT FOUND ?04:17
kravlinalso i can't change my monitor settings so i can actually see my lower taskbar.04:17
nomasteryodasee the "InputDevice" ... "Configured Mouse"04:17
tekhawkgunny: i have missing libQtDBus04:17
viatori guess i can select the revios kernel04:17
viatorfrom the grub04:17
viatorlist04:17
nomasteryodaya04:17
vmlinuz`http://pastebin.com/m144918a404:17
vmlinuz`thats mine, xorg.conf04:17
vmlinuz`can anybody check it out pls04:17
viatorim using the wired interface now04:17
Gutsy_bvmlinuz what res would the live cd do for you?04:18
VousDeuxit says I cannot use my nvidia driver because it needs linux-restricted-modules-generic, but when I try to install linux-restricted-modules-generic it says it will BREAK(upgrade)04:18
kravlinviator: i had my graphics freak out and had to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.04:18
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, you have no nvidia there04:18
gunnytekhawk: i originally installed from http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free04:18
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nomasteryodaonly vesa and nvi04:18
eythianvmlinuz`: that's not nvidia04:18
nomasteryodanv04:18
eythianthat's nv04:18
nomasteryodashould read "nvidia"04:18
kravlinVosDeux: Same problem.04:18
tekhawkgunny: on the x86_64 platform or the x86 platform04:18
nomasteryodalike mine says04:18
gunnytekhawk: x8604:19
vmlinuz`eythian: what was your command again? And does it change my settings or does it only add nividia?04:19
nomasteryodachange "nv" to "nvidia"04:19
gunnytekhawk: u on 64 ?04:19
eythianvmlinuz`: sudo nvidia-xconfig - and it rewrites xorg.conf to work04:19
tekhawkgunny: i see x86_64 here libary issue04:19
viatoryeah i had the problem because i have the bcm43xx04:19
nomasteryoda"should"04:19
VousDeuxafter rebooting from the upgrade I tried recompiling the nvidia drivers, but I had to use VESA to logon to the GUI04:19
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bazhangJust curious, and maybe this is question for #kubuntu; how do I reclaim space from other partitions that I no longer want to use--was dual boot, but I want to just single boot now. Is this even possible?04:20
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nomasteryodabazhang, sure04:20
gunnybazhang: gpartition ?04:20
VousDeuxI'm on x86_6404:20
viatorand am using the restriced modules oh and for my ati driver04:20
nomasteryodabazhang, sudo aptitude install gparted04:20
vmlinuz`eythian: i did, "sudo nvidia-xconfig"04:20
eythianand did it say anything?04:20
nomasteryodarun it and change those partitions to what you want04:20
vmlinuz`and then i edit xorg.conf again, and its still "nv" not nvidia04:20
chronographerbazhang or use the gparted live CD04:20
chronographerto edit a partition you boot from. Careful though!04:21
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eythianvmlinuz`: it should say something, like the files it's changing or whatever.04:21
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, manually edit the file... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the line04:21
vmlinuz`yeah it says that eythian04:21
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: ok, but now i have 2 lines.. its weird wait04:21
nomasteryodabut it did not do so for me either vmlinuz` ....had to do it manually04:21
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bazhangchronographer: can I run it while keeping this desktop intact?04:21
chronographeryes04:21
vmlinuz`http://pastebin.com/m37e5800504:21
vmlinuz`see04:21
nomasteryodayes bazhang04:22
chronographeryou can resize, create, delete and generally mess with partitions04:22
vmlinuz`see how many Section "Device" i have04:22
gunnyand destroy alot lol04:22
chronographerIts great, just dont forget that if you delete a partition you can't get it back04:22
eythianvmlinuz`: OK, well next just edit the file, and change all 'nv' to 'nvidia'04:22
nomasteryodabazhang, but not the swap or root while in use...04:22
kravlinI think that this last update just basically screwed over the restricted drivers (just pointing out the obvious to make myself look stupid)04:22
vmlinuz`eythian: allright04:23
nomasteryodachronographer, actually you can get it back, but its a pain in the rumpus04:23
bazhangnomasteryoda: so I can then just resize the partition that my kubuntu gutsy install is on?04:23
chronographerhttp://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php04:23
nomasteryodaerr, um from the live CD you can bazhang04:23
vmlinuz`done04:23
nomasteryodait has gparted on it04:23
vmlinuz`now i reboot, think it will work?04:23
nomasteryodareboot? why04:23
eythianvmlinuz`: just restart X04:23
nomasteryodajust Ctrl+Alt+bkspace04:23
vmlinuz`brb04:24
bazhangnomasteryoda: what if I have forgotten which partition contains which distro? Is there an easy way to determine that, or should I just wipe it all and reinstall?04:24
nomasteryodatry the simple command "mount"04:24
nomasteryodawill report where stuff is mounted04:24
nomasteryodaincluding root04:24
vmlinuz`same thing, lol.04:25
nomasteryodaand you can look at /boot/grub/menu.lst to see where stuff boots from04:25
bazhangthanks!04:25
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chronographeror check you /etc/fstab now04:25
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, ok... so try that reboot man... just to be sure the nvidia module is loading right...04:25
chronographerand find which partition is /04:25
eythiantotem displays all avis with the wrong aspect ratio in gutsy - anyone else encounter that?04:25
nomasteryodaeythian, totem yes it does... i removed it04:26
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kravlineythian: I suggest using VLC instead. Much better04:26
nomasteryodaand just use smplayer, vlc, etc....04:26
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nomasteryodayup04:26
eythiannomasteryoda: I like it, but not like this. Its the only thing I've found that works with the media keys on my laptop.04:26
nomasteryodaah04:26
eythianand also the only thing that will play over sshfs04:26
nomasteryodai'm sure there is a setting to change it04:26
runemaste64oWhen will the Gutsy stable be released this month?04:26
nomasteryodato respect aspect04:27
eythiannomasteryoda: there is, but it doesn't fix it properly04:27
bazhangnomasteryoda: just looking at the dolphin file manager under media lets me see the ones that are being used and those not; the mount command in terminal is way confusing.04:27
nomasteryodabut without it installed.... hard for me to do it04:27
nomasteryodabazhang, ok04:27
nomasteryodacool04:27
runemaste64oI know Gutsy will be released this month, but what day?04:27
nomasteryodai also removed dolphin...04:27
nomasteryoda=d04:27
bazhangnomasteryoda: thanks!04:27
VousDeuxwhere do we report problems with the beta?04:27
dimond Up until updating, the restricted drivers manager has worked fine. I have been using Gutsy for about a week, and updated a bunch of stuff today (it had been up to date previously) Now, when I try to restart restricted driver manager I get the message : You need to install the package04:27
dimond   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic04:27
dimond for this program to work.04:27
nomasteryodausing konqueror...04:27
dimond sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic returns : Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.04:28
dimond This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or04:28
dimond is only available from another source04:28
dimond E: Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic has no installation candidate04:28
nomasteryodanp bazhang04:28
kravlinI have the exact same problem as dimond. Could anyone help?04:28
kravlinplease?04:28
dimondIt has all worked fine until now.04:28
nomasteryodait is not there yet.. the update that is04:28
nomasteryodaits coming to the repos soon04:28
runemaste64oFor every bug you report about Gutsy, you have to wait another Hour for it to be released :P04:28
nomasteryodafrom what I was told04:28
kravlindimond: I have the same exact problem04:28
runemaste64ojust kidding04:28
dimondnomasteryoda: Ah. So we should just wait?04:28
nomasteryodayes04:29
eythianrunemaste64o: that's fine, so long as the problems are gone :)04:29
VousDeuxkravlin, dimond, several of us seem to have that problem...I think we are waiting04:29
nomasteryodatry a few hours and it should be there....04:29
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Konamhi04:29
dimondOk.04:29
dimondWhen I rebooted, it also killed my GUI.04:29
nomasteryodaoh man then i won't reboot04:29
dimondBut deleting xorg.conf04:29
dimondfixed it04:29
bazhanghi Konam04:29
nomasteryodaoh, but wait ... i use NO restricted drivers... wahooo1!! i dumpped the broadcom wifi card for an intel04:30
nomasteryoda=D04:30
Konami'm using gutsy right now and i have to say that it is good but the restricted codec manager isn't working....04:30
Konamthe the restricted codec manager but the restricted driver manager worked just fine04:30
dimondErm, more spesificly, I moved /etc/X11/xorg.conf* /mount/USB/04:30
dimondthen Ctrl+Alt+Backspace04:30
dimondworked like a charm04:30
nomasteryodalol04:30
tekhawkrestricted codec manager....havnt seen that could have saved some time though i bet04:31
nomasteryodanice backup plan too04:31
runemaste64odimondBut deleting xorg.conf04:31
runemaste64odimondfixed it04:31
runemaste64oYou CRAZY???04:31
vmlinuz`my new xorg.conf here, I can't find one reason why it shouldn't work now.04:31
vmlinuz`http://pastebin.com/m7edffdea04:31
nomasteryodathat way you get a new one...04:32
runemaste64oWho deletes their xorg.conf?04:32
nomasteryodame04:32
eythianvmlinuz`: have a look at this, it's my one: http://pastebin.com/d42f154ad04:32
chronographerWow. I just changed m sources list from au.ubuntu.... to de.ubuntu... and there are about 38mb of updates in there!  Why the hell are different servers containing different packages??04:32
nomasteryodaworked in the past04:32
runemaste64ovmlinuz was my armagetron advanced nick04:32
vmlinuz`eythian: thing is, whenever i restart X, it like re-create another xorg.conf for me, you know?04:32
tekhawknomasteryoda: that doesnt give you a new one sept ubuntu saves your ass lol04:32
vmlinuz`runemaste64o: whats that?04:32
eythianvmlinuz`: that ... is kinda weird04:32
runemaste64ojust saw that and liked it with your nick04:32
nomasteryodatekhawk, ok cool04:32
Assidchronographer: most are just cnames to different servers .. in.ubuntu doesnt even really exist04:33
vmlinuz`eythian: yea, it recreate my xorg.conf to something else... and put "nv" as my vga card..04:33
runemaste64oArmagetron Advanced is a 3D game04:33
vmlinuz`so whats that04:33
chronographeroh...04:33
tekhawknomasteryoda: dont try that on other distro wont end well lol04:33
vmlinuz`im afraid to restart X now04:33
chronographerwell check this out... hold on a sec.04:33
Konamtekhawk is the wizard that suggest you the codec you need for a file in case that you don't have the right codec...04:33
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, and then you edit that file dude... making nv nvidia04:33
eythianvmlinuz`: make it read-only :)04:33
nomasteryodaya that might help04:33
chronographerhttp://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/displayconfig-gtk/     .compared with.   http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/displayconfig-gtk/04:34
tekhawkKonam: yeah that wasnt on gutsy when i installed lol04:34
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: i did, but when i restart again.. it automatically replace that04:34
vmlinuz`eythian: ok will do.. but then X might not start :P lol04:34
chronographerfor example,  thats where my little 'could not find file' error occurred. it not in the AU server04:34
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prestosdHey, I'04:34
vmlinuz`btw, i have libGL installed, but games kept telling me that04:34
vmlinuz`err:wgl:X11DRV_wglGetProcAddress No libGL on this box04:34
prestosdm back04:34
Konamtekhawk it isn't? something like that wasn't on feisty?04:34
vmlinuz`why04:34
nomasteryodachmod 600 is the right one, right guys?04:34
prestosdSorry, I lagged (again) then had to go04:34
vmlinuz`should i do xorg.conf chmod 600?04:35
nomasteryodahang on04:35
prestosdI've got the Gutsy (PPC) ISO mounted on my desktop.04:35
chronographer? i never had to chmod xorg b404:35
nomasteryodai think so, but having a brain drain now04:35
prestosdnomasteryoda: okay.04:35
vmlinuz`chronographer: my gutsy is changing it, each time i restart X04:35
chronographeroh04:35
chronographerrude!04:35
nomasteryodachronographer, but the new displayconfig tool magically forks it up dude04:35
nomasteryodaya04:35
eythianvmlinuz`: chmod ugo-r xorg.conf04:35
nomasteryodathat is too much like another os i know04:36
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nomasteryodathere ya go04:36
kravlinVousDeux: I was here when you awnsered the question. I usually say something so the person doesn't feel like they're alone.04:36
eythianvmlinuz`: err04:36
eythiannot that04:36
vmlinuz`but why does games said that i dont have libGL, when i do have it installed? please04:36
eythianvmlinuz`: chmod ugo-w xorg.conf04:36
eythianvmlinuz`: probably because you don't have opengl accelleration without the nvidia driver04:36
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, cause you need to have glx in the xorg.conf04:36
tekhawkKonam: hmmm i could just be blind04:36
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: i do have it >_<04:36
vmlinuz`eythian: hm, weird. Do you think my pc doesnt have my vga even installed?04:37
tekhawkhey is there a way i can get this thing to tell me when someone says my name pidgin by the way04:37
nomasteryodaright, but with the "nv" loading by magic... it never loads nvidia04:37
vmlinuz`i'll restart X again, wait brb04:37
eythianvmlinuz`: to get opengl, you really need the nvidia driver, not nv. If you're using nv, GL won't work04:37
kravlintekhawk: not that i know of. Try using xchat. its avalible in the repository04:37
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nomasteryodaxchat is best for irc04:38
nomasteryodaas a gui04:38
Konamtekhawk i've noticed another thing, some icons in the menu looks like blurred...04:38
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vmlinuz`i hate gutsy. how to go back to feisty >_<04:39
nomasteryodadang man.. .you getting no love from the gutsy04:39
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nomasteryodait was a pain for my desktop too and that was 2 weeks ago04:40
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prestosdlol, I just wanna use the ISO04:40
nomasteryodai restarted x today and it is still good04:40
prestosdI installed it perfectly on another PC just a few days ago04:40
vmlinuz`i had my xorg.conf setup good, i know it. then i restart X. this console login screen popped and start blinking, then a full black screen with a small window popped "Ubuntu is running in low-graphic mode" And choices are "configure" "cancel" "Continue"04:40
vmlinuz`i click configure04:40
prestosdworks like a dream04:40
nomasteryodaprestosd, yo left before I could help04:40
vmlinuz`then i have to choose "nvidia" there, so it can run.04:40
prestosdDang, sorry.04:40
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prestosdOnce again, I lagged....04:40
vmlinuz`and resulotion was really big, 800x60004:40
prestosdour internet sucks04:40
vmlinuz`like that, every single time04:40
prestosdshould be fine now, I reset it04:40
prestosdanyhow04:40
prestosd....04:40
nomasteryodaits simple enough  to edit the file prestosd ... hang on04:41
nomasteryodalet me post in pastebin04:41
prestosdnomasteryoda: okay04:41
prestosdnomasteryoda: Thanks :)04:41
nomasteryodanp04:41
VousDeuxokay, that didn't work...I tried changing the mode in the nvidia version of my xorg.conf to "1680x1050" like it has been running all along...it was set at "1280x800" for some reason04:41
VousDeuxI had to put the vesa version back on04:41
chronographerhey vmlinux04:42
Konamanyone else notice the blurred icons?04:42
chronographerhave you tried using your old xorg.conf file from feisty?04:42
Konami assume that it will be fixed in the final release....04:42
user_How do you get Mplayer to playback .flv files in Gutsy?04:42
chronographerI got no blurred icons04:42
nomasteryodaguys... if you have the nvidia-glx or nvidia-new-glx installed, try installing the nvidia-settings too... and run it ... try changing your config there... see if it works... then save to a file and replace your xorg or have it merge wiht it04:42
nomasteryodathat worked like a charm for 3 monitors here04:42
nomasteryodai can change on a whim now04:42
vmlinuz`hey nomasteryoda maybe I don't have the correct drivers installed?04:43
nomasteryodayou installed nvidia-glx-new?04:44
nomasteryodathat is a newer card ...04:44
vmlinuz`yep04:44
prestosdif you have an old nvidia, definitely get the nv legacy drivers04:44
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: i have that, but looks like its not my driver.04:44
nomasteryodaso yes you need the new ones04:44
prestosdworked perfect for me on tons of old nv cards04:44
vmlinuz`prestosd: my nvidia is 7300 GS gforce04:44
vmlinuz`is that old?04:45
prestosdHmm, think that's too new04:45
vmlinuz`yea04:45
prestosdI'm talkin' like, Riva TNT 2's lol04:45
bazhanguser_: convert using ffmpeg04:45
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prestosd16MB vram04:45
prestosdxD04:45
vmlinuz`and i have nvidia-glx-new installed04:45
vmlinuz`so whats wrong here :<04:45
prestosdhmm04:45
VousDeuxnomasteryoda, I cannot load nvidia-settings because I have the VESA driver loaded...I cannot load the nvidia driver until they fix the linux-restricted-modules-generic problem04:45
user_bazhang I think I will for now04:45
prestosdWhat's not working? 3D stuff?04:45
vmlinuz`for me?04:46
prestosdyah04:46
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vmlinuz`no its not the 3d... its when i restart X.. it goes into terminal mode and then jumps into a blank screen with resulotion 800x600 & A window pops that says "ubuntu running in low graphic mode"04:46
vmlinuz`and then i can't start X until i click configure there.. and go to nvidia manualy04:46
prestosdAh, are you on a desktop or laptop?04:46
d4rkmonkeyVousDeux  why don't you just boot into an older kernel that worked? I'm pretty sure that'll work04:47
bazhanguser_: in Gutsy there's also a tool called clive that lets you extract the flv files04:47
vmlinuz`doing that and come back here with a bad resulotion in X. + things arent working good because they modified xorg.conf to a bad thing.04:47
bazhang!clive04:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about clive - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:47
vmlinuz`and it keep going every single time i restart X04:47
prestosddang04:47
vmlinuz`prestosd: nop, a computer... not laptop04:47
prestosddid you make a backup of xorg?04:47
vmlinuz`prestosd: and it was working perfect back in feisty04:47
prestosdxorg.conf04:47
vmlinuz`prestosd: yea i have04:47
bazhanguser_: clive - Video extraction utility for YouTube and Google Video04:47
prestosddid you try putting it back04:47
vmlinuz`it doesn't work... I put it there.. and then restart X. as i told you, it'll pop this screen & window with bad resulotion.04:47
vmlinuz`and it'll change xorg.conf again04:48
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VousDeuxd4rkmonkey, I already recompiled the nvidia driver with the new kernel and deleted the old kernel04:48
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prestosdvmlinuz`: hmmm, are you using a flatscreen or CRT?04:48
scipiovmlinuz`, is this a new install? did it ever work in gutsy?04:48
Assidman load up compiz fusion and your fps drops when you run gears04:48
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vmlinuz`scipio: it never work in gutsy, i just had gutsy here for few hours.. before that i had feisty04:48
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vmlinuz`prestosd: its LG monitor. and i dont think its the problem.. i think something with the vga driver04:49
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VousDeuxd4rkmonkey, I didn't think booting the old kernel would be good because of all of the other updates, but I'll keep that in mind in the future...for now I'll just wait for the patch for the linux-restricted-modules-generic...thanks04:49
fr500wah! yesterday's update fixed my toshiba front panel keys04:49
GoemtmetHow do I install the Sun Java runtime on Gutsy (7.10) ? The only package I find is gij-4.2.. which I think is the GNU Java Runtime04:49
fr500err buttons04:49
prestosdvmlinuz`: I see....have you got the restricted drivers?04:49
Goemtmetany idea?04:49
vmlinuz`prestosd: I have an old one. because the new one is unavailable now i think04:49
xubeanhey guys, serious problem with gutsy, just a noob here, i installed gutsy on my machine, and now when it restarts gdm doesn't start at all, all i get is the command screen04:49
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prestosdvmlinuz`: that could do it04:50
vmlinuz`but people are not experiencing my problem, its only me >_<04:50
prestosdnomasteryoda: You still working on it?04:50
nomasteryodaprestosd, look at this example... you just need the one "repo" added for say "deb file:/mnt/myiso gutsy main04:50
prestosdvmlinuz`: then could be your monitor04:50
nomasteryodaya04:50
nomasteryodathata should help ya04:50
vmlinuz`prestosd: in feisty it worked fine04:50
nomasteryodaget idea of what i mean04:50
prestosdhmm04:50
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nomasteryodadid for me to guys04:50
prestosdlol, could I have a console command04:50
vmlinuz`brb04:51
nomasteryodadorked it up with the Magic of Unbreakable X04:51
prestosdk04:51
prestosdlol04:51
nomasteryodaerr, you can edit it on console04:51
nomasteryodasure04:51
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prestosdIf you give commands I can type. ;)04:51
prestosdotherwise I'm bad at manual labor ;)04:51
nomasteryodaok hang on...04:51
GoemtmetHow do I install the Sun Java runtime on Gutsy (7.10) ? The only package I find is gij-4.2.. which I think is the GNU Java Runtime04:51
prestosdnomasteryoda: ok04:51
nomasteryodaafter mounting the iso ... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list04:52
prestosdok04:52
VousDeuxGoemtmet, try searching for blackdown04:52
prestosdim in04:52
Goemtmet apt-cache search blackdown doesnt return anything04:52
nomasteryodaadd a line "deb file:/mnt/iso gutsy main restricted"04:52
nomasteryodasee if that does it04:52
nomasteryodaload synaptic or adept_manager and see if it can handle it04:53
scipioGoemtmet, sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre04:53
nomasteryodaprestosd,  i deleted the iso i had for gutsy04:54
prestosdnomasteryoda: syns open, now what?04:54
nomasteryodait was a few weeks old04:54
nomasteryodaok04:54
bazhangtopic: nothing broken today!04:54
nomasteryodaso you want to update using the repos on the cd?04:54
dystopianrayis kopete still broken?04:54
prestosdyup04:54
prestosddystopianray: not you04:54
bazhangoops04:54
nomasteryodatry to run it i suppose04:54
prestosdrun what? lol04:54
nomasteryodarefresh04:54
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nomasteryodaon synaptic04:54
vmlinuz`worest day for me.04:54
nomasteryodait will get better04:55
prestosdits reloading04:55
nomasteryodaall up hill from here vmlinuz`04:55
nomasteryodak04:55
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Konamon more thing, i changed the color of the screen that appears after i log in but the default color remains, why is that?04:55
nomasteryodapart of the gdm process04:55
prestosdbleh, crashed on the line I typed...gonna mount it in a different place...it was wierd...brb04:55
nomasteryodayou can change that too04:55
nomasteryodalol04:55
prestosdright04:55
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nomasteryodaprestosd, you might need the /ubuntu on the end04:56
prestosdokay04:56
nomasteryodaof say /mnt/myiso/ubuntu04:56
nomasteryodadon't know the filetree of the cd04:56
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nomasteryodavmlinuz`, you could backup the xorg.conf and try using mine04:56
nomasteryodaits gutsy too and nvidia-glx-new04:57
Konamnomasteryoda i know i can change it, i said that i _changed_ it but the default color remains...04:57
nomasteryodait would be a wag04:57
nomasteryodaerr, um... in gdm you changed but it remains the same... hang on04:57
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: you don't get it.. it doesn't matter :( because every single time i restart X... it will change xorg.conf again every time04:58
nomasteryodai know04:58
nomasteryodajust a minute04:58
prestosdnomasteryoda: Sorry to interrupt, didn't work.04:58
vmlinuz`problem is, i dont have another pc so i reboot and talk from there while telling the odd things thats happening04:58
vmlinuz`you know console when it says "Login user:"04:58
vmlinuz`it keep blinking for me04:58
nomasteryodaright04:58
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nomasteryodaprestosd,  there is a way i know.... i have done... been a while04:59
masejust updated to kernel .1304:59
masebut Xorg wont open up04:59
maseit says cant find nvidia kernel04:59
prestosdnomasteryoda: hmm, I looked it up at ubuntu.com and found instructions for dapper iso upgrade04:59
prestosdbut it didn't work04:59
Konamnomasteryoda did you try?04:59
Konamnomasteryoda it worked for you?05:00
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nomasteryodasorry Konam the color thing?05:00
Konamyes05:00
nomasteryodaworking 3 issues right now... hang on05:00
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prestosdnomasteryoda: lol yah!05:00
nomasteryodavmlinuz`, ok i found something to try... it will stop the failsafe ...05:01
nomasteryodaswitch to a terminal say F105:01
nomasteryodabut look at this first ... sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.options05:01
nomasteryodacomment out with a # the "allow-failsafe"05:02
nomasteryodathat will stop that crap from taking over your file05:02
nomasteryodax might not work but its worth a shot... just restore it should you be unable to get x back up05:02
VousDeuxhmmm...I wonder why I can't use the skip button on ondemand...oh well05:02
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nomasteryodaif you want to explore that cmd more, then "man Xsession.options"05:03
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prestosdThey Dapper iso instructions ended with gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"05:04
prestosdit runs, then quits automatically....05:04
ppjwow I dont know what I did (apart from rebooting) but my nvidia drivers went to crap05:04
VousDeuxppj, linux-restricted-modules-generic is broken05:05
nomasteryodappj, xorg i'm sure is dorked now... just a wag but i'll bet a gold guinea05:05
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: okay05:05
nomasteryodai would try that05:05
ppjyeah05:05
nomasteryodaoh and btw... the  linux-restricted-modules-generic is broken05:05
ppjits fine when i got to the login prompt05:05
nomasteryodawhich includes nvidia drivers...05:06
ppjbut when i log in now my display is all off colored05:06
VousDeuxnomasteryoda, lol05:06
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: so05:06
ppjtoo bad i cant take a picture of it05:06
prestosdlol05:06
nomasteryodappj, edit xorg.conf and change nvidia to nv to get something running05:06
nomasteryodayes vmlinuz` your's might not work till that is updated/fixed05:06
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: do i need to reset my xsession thingy? I think thats it.05:07
ppjalright lets see05:07
VousDeuxmine won't run on nv, I have to use vesa05:07
nomasteryodabut i'm gonna disable that auto-failsafe crap on mine05:07
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: i think you got it05:07
nomasteryodai would try it05:07
fr500found i bug!05:07
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: do i erase it and restart? Then it will configure by its self?05:07
nomasteryodawon't hurt05:07
fr500i think05:07
nomasteryodaerr not erase05:07
fr500the zsnes package crashes with a kde error on my gutsy setup05:07
nomasteryodaif you change that file, the magic will be gone05:07
nomasteryodawhich in this case might be agood thing05:07
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: which xsession do i delete?05:07
nomasteryodano don't delete05:07
vmlinuz`the one in my home directory?05:07
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: then what05:08
nomasteryodajust edit the default thing here... /etc/X11/Xsession.options05:08
nomasteryodasudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.options05:08
nomasteryodaput a # infront of the allow-failsafe05:08
ppjtrying nv now.. assuming xorg will be coimpletely dead05:08
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nomasteryodalol05:08
ppjnope its still jacked up though05:08
nomasteryodanice05:08
pWhere can I find those amazing screen and graphic configurator ???05:08
ppjits like the gamma/contrast is all shot halfway up the screen05:08
ppjits weird05:09
vmlinuz`ok nomasteryoda then05:09
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prestosdnomasteryoda: does dist-upgrade, or gksu ring any bells05:09
nomasteryodayes gksu means the gui su mode for ubuntu05:09
prestosdlol05:09
vmlinuz`nomasteryoda: thats all?05:09
nomasteryodaand sudo dist-upgrade means to do dist-upgrade05:09
erichjoooh restricted modules are back online!05:09
nomasteryodaya05:09
nomasteryodasave it05:09
vmlinuz`ok brb.. restarting...05:09
prestosdhow about sh /pathofiso05:09
nomasteryodaman, i xx fingers05:10
nomasteryodai'm learning here too05:10
nomasteryoda=D05:10
prestosdlol05:10
prestosdI think we all are. :)05:10
nomasteryodaya that should work as a replacement for the /cdrom they used05:10
prestosdwhere?05:10
ppji'd just like for once my ubuntu to break because of something stupid that i did05:10
nomasteryodaand i am having a yardsale tomorrow ...05:10
nomasteryodalol05:10
prestosdlol05:10
nomasteryodaoh, in that sh command05:10
prestosdwhere should I type it, console?05:11
nomasteryodagksu "sh /myiso/cdromupgrade"05:11
prestosdyah05:11
nomasteryodaor sudo "sh /myiso/cdromupgrade"05:11
prestosdthat's the one that exits....05:11
prestosdill try sudo05:11
ppjwhats the ctrl alt to shut off the windows manager not restart it05:11
nomasteryodaif that file is there on the iso filetree05:11
ppjf7?05:11
nomasteryodabkspc05:11
nomasteryodaer restarts it05:11
prestosdIt starts the "Administrative Application" for a tiny bit then exits and says nothing05:12
nomasteryodaF1-6 are other terms05:12
nomasteryodaF8 is info05:12
ppjyeah i just did f8, not sure what its doing05:12
ppjah05:12
nomasteryodaprestosd, check the iso path to see if that file even existis05:12
nomasteryodaexists05:12
nomasteryodagrr tired...05:12
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prestosdlol05:12
prestosdill remount and try again05:13
nomasteryodappj, you can login there too and run a "top" or a tail05:13
nomasteryodaprestosd, you never umounted, right?05:13
nomasteryodashould stay mounted05:13
nomasteryodaunless you rebooted it05:13
pHow can I start the X.org graphic configurator?05:13
prestosd??05:13
nomasteryodadisplayconfig-gtk05:13
pthanks05:14
prestosdnomasteryoda: dunno05:14
prestosdits now at /media/iso05:14
nomasteryodaif you mounted it, then its still there... cd /mnt/myiso05:14
prestosdmounted05:14
nomasteryodak05:14
nomasteryodatry ls cdromupgrade05:14
prestosdk05:14
prestosdonce in iso?05:14
nomasteryodaor cdrom<tab05:14
nomasteryodaya05:14
nomasteryodasince i don't have the iso, like i said... hard to fix05:14
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prestosdcant find it (error)05:15
ppjwhy doesnt ubuntus vi tell you what insert mode youre in05:15
ppjthats so annoying05:15
cdm10I've been having a weird issue with gutsy where the cursor will disappear when it's anything but the normal arrow cursor.05:15
nomasteryodaya it is ppj05:15
ppjis there an option to enable that?05:15
cdm10Disabling HWCursor fixed it, but I'd rather have my cursor rendered in hardware, for a variety of reasons.05:15
cdm10I mean enabling.05:15
nomasteryodathere is a config for it in your ~ i'm sure05:15
ppjword05:16
prestosdnomasteryoda: this is gutsy for PPC05:16
prestosdmaybe there isn't a cdromupgrade05:16
prestosd?05:16
nomasteryodastill, if they have one then it should do something for your05:16
ppjdoes insert not change ubuntus vi insert mode05:16
nomasteryodayou05:16
nomasteryodai does05:17
prestosdhmm05:17
ppjif i hit it twice it closes vi05:17
ppjweird05:17
prestosdthen what could be wrong, I'm sure its mounted05:17
prestosdim in the folder now05:17
prestosdhmm05:17
nomasteryodahang on05:17
prestosdits under /media/iso/dists/gutsy THEN restricted and main05:18
prestosdAha!05:18
nomasteryodaay05:18
prestosdmaybe I could change the sources.list file to that?05:18
nomasteryodaerrr, ya05:18
prestosd?05:18
nomasteryodathink that will help05:18
prestosdk05:18
nomasteryodanice thing is if not, youll know soon05:18
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org_hey its me vmlinuz`05:19
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prestosdlol yah05:19
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nomasteryodaok05:19
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org_i wish i havent updated to gutsy rly.. sry >_<05:19
ppji should be a QA tester for gnome05:20
ppjim the master at breaking it05:20
nomasteryodadang05:20
nomasteryodahehe05:20
Konamnomasteryoda excuse me, did you try the color thing?05:20
nomasteryodait works fine for me05:20
pCan I use macromedia flash and jre on amd64 gutsy ?05:21
Konamwhy it doesn't work for me? i've changed it05:21
org_nomasteryoda, what was the folder that you told me to add # infront of fails-load05:21
pif the answer is NO, what is the short way to use a 32bit version ?05:21
nomasteryodalol05:21
nomasteryodasudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.options05:21
nomasteryodait is a file org_05:21
Konamnomasteryoda that was for me?05:22
nomasteryodanope05:22
nomasteryodafor org_05:22
Konamah well, i come back now05:22
org_nomasteryoda, Okay. It didn't work. ill put it back as how it was.05:22
nomasteryodaorg_, after restarting kdm or gdm?05:22
prestosdnomasteryoda: can I cut the end "gutsy main restricted" and just put the full path instead?05:23
nomasteryoda/etc/init.d/gdm restart (or kdm)05:23
prestosd in sources.list05:23
nomasteryodaerr, without that it knows not what pkgs to touch05:23
prestosddang05:23
nomasteryodaor ask for05:23
prestosdI know where the folders are!! I'm close!!05:23
nomasteryodamaybe just gutsy main05:23
nomasteryodaya05:23
prestosdbut it auto types crud05:23
prestosdand messes it up05:23
nomasteryodaso you are offline?05:23
nomasteryodaor can't update this one from the online repos?05:24
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Konamhi again05:24
nomasteryodaKonam, you can hack the file, but back it up first05:24
prestosdits /media/iso/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-powerpc05:24
Konamwhich is it?05:24
prestosdWhat would be the sources.list name for that?05:24
Konamit still doesn't work for me05:24
nomasteryodasudo cp /etc/gdm.conf /etc/gdm.conf_backup05:24
nomasteryodathen sudo vi /etc/gdm.conf and search with a "/" for color05:25
ppjthis is so weird05:25
ppjoh im an idiot it was the resolution05:26
ppji just changed the res and now the colors normal05:26
nomasteryodaLOL05:26
nomasteryodanice one05:26
org_nomasteryoda, how do i change gdm? Im not sure if im using gdm or kdm.05:27
ppjhey, when have you seen the wrong res show half the screen as purple05:27
ppji thought i fried another video card :<05:27
nomasteryodaorg_,  you install kubuntu-desktop?05:27
org_nomasteryoda, yes before.. but i removed it now05:27
nomasteryodaya scarry05:27
nomasteryodaok so you might be using gdm05:27
org_how do u know05:27
nomasteryodajust sec05:27
ppjtheres a huge difference in look between gdm and kdm05:28
nomasteryodaless /etc/X11/default-display-manager05:28
org_ppj, for me, there is not. u know?05:28
ppjlike a ferrari vs lamborghini05:28
ppjrue05:28
nomasteryodalol05:28
ppjtrue05:28
org_ppj, I run kdm & gdm, they both look the same for me man05:28
nomasteryodahehe05:28
nomasteryodarun that org_05:28
ppjive never seen kde look remotely like gdm, screenshot?05:28
org_/usr/sbin/gdm05:28
nomasteryodaso gdm05:28
org_nomasteryoda, <305:28
nomasteryodaso /etc/init.d/gdm restart will restart it05:28
nomasteryodaok best of luck... i gotts to run for about 20 min05:29
Vuenhow on earth is there so much argument about ctrl+alt+backspace?05:29
nomasteryodabut i'll check back05:29
nomasteryodahehe05:29
Vuenit is absolutely *shocking* to me that people think it should be left on.05:29
nomasteryodawell yes it should05:29
ppjwhy disable it?05:29
hydrogenyes it should05:30
Vuenback in breezy when i was new to linux, i accidentally hit it several times and lost my work05:30
nomasteryodahow else to kill a session05:30
hydrogenwait.. it was disabled?05:30
nomasteryodanice one05:30
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Vueni had no idea what was going wrong. all of a sudden poof, desktop gone05:30
ppjthats impressive, accidently hitting ctrl alt backspace05:30
hydrogenyea05:30
hydrogenserveral times..05:30
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ppjit takes me 5 minutes to get my fingers in those spots05:30
nomasteryodathere is also Ctrl+Alt+Shift+down or some such i found by mistake too... shutsdown the system05:30
Vueni lost a LOT of trust in X over that time05:30
Vuenand it took me a while to actually figure out what i was doing05:30
hydrogennow with older versions of xgl that killed on shift+backspace on the other hand05:30
hydrogenthat was messed up05:30
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hydrogenbut ctrl+alt + backspace doesn't seem problematic05:31
org_omg what heppened05:31
Vuenwhy is there even a command to suddenly hard-reset X without even so much as telling the user what they've done?05:31
ppjany idea why gnome would just randomy move my panel icons around?05:31
org_i wrote your command nomasteryoda then i went into Terminal mode.05:31
ppjrandomly05:31
Konamnomasteryoda i changed some number i found but it still the same, where do you go to change it?05:31
Vuenthere is no way that 99% of the population would ever need or use that command.05:31
hydrogenVuen: so that if it hangs you don't need to hit the reset button..05:31
Vuenbecause you can't just ctrl+alt+F1 and reset X? or better yet, turn the damn thing back on if you need it so much?05:31
nomasteryodaKonam, that must be your personal ~/.gnome/gdm.conf settings05:32
nomasteryodamaybe05:32
hydrogenVuen: if its hanging it may not respond to ctrl+alt+f105:32
hydrogenbut it will to CTRL_ALT_BKSP05:32
nomasteryodaorg_, you mean you are stuck in a terminal?05:32
Vuennow that i'm not new to linux, and i beta test and contribute to open-source, i do use ctrl+alt+backspace relatively frequently (especially when i was bugfixing in compiz)05:32
Vuenand i STILL think it's crazy to leave it on05:32
hydrogenI think its crazy to disable it05:32
hydrogenso05:32
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org_nomasteryoda, yea i was. but then i wrote "startx" and im in X now.. but a weird one.. not with my theme and its all weird.05:32
prestosd_HEY05:32
nomasteryodaits a default linux xorg has ... and is good05:32
org_ill restart PC i think05:32
prestosd_I switched to desktop 205:32
hydrogenI guess its crazy either way05:32
Vueni think people who want it on are just being selfish. we are the 1% of the population who would actually want such a feature, and we all have the technical know-how to turn it on05:32
prestosd_and my toolbars dissapeared05:32
prestosd_and I can't get back05:33
prestosd_!05:33
nomasteryodaorg_, you need to run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"05:33
hydrogenVuen: I don't know where you are pulling those numbers from.. but i'm 99%sure you are 100% incorrect05:33
Vuenthe other 99% of people, maybe 5% of whom may accidentally press it, are going to get their X hard-reset with no explanation whatsoever.05:33
ppjVuen, funny, because even when i didnt know a thing about linux, i had to use ctrl alt backspace quite often because of xorg being broken05:33
nomasteryodaprestosd, try Ctrl+Alt+arrow left or right05:33
prestosdYEs!05:33
prestosdThanks!05:33
nomasteryodahydrogen, nice stats man05:33
nomasteryodahehe05:33
prestosdim still here05:34
prestosdbut I g2g05:34
prestosdthanks for your help05:34
nomasteryodak05:34
prestosdill just redownload over night05:34
prestosdGnight all05:34
nomasteryodann05:34
ppjplease someone tell me there is a decent gui'd fan controller05:34
prestosdgood luck with your yard sale nomasteryoda05:34
ppji hate having fans on auto05:34
nomasteryodathanks prestosd05:34
nomasteryodawish i knew05:35
ppjugh05:35
nomasteryodamaybe apt-cache search fans?05:35
ppji was hoping gkrellm would have something05:35
nomasteryodawould be nice05:35
nomasteryodaor gdesklets05:35
taggiei'm an apt-cache search fan. :)05:36
ppjyeah in xp i have a nice gui one that i just drag the rpm up and down05:36
ppjso if im web browsing; way down, if im playing a game i just toss it up05:36
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ppjwhen i leave them on automatic i have so many loud fans that they scale up and down constantly05:36
ppjits the most annoying thing ever05:36
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nomasteryodappj,  you can set the speed of the processor and they will scale down with it05:37
nomasteryodai bet05:37
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wilberfananybody get their Restricted Driver Manager to work after the latest big update?05:37
wilberfanand/or is there a way to get the nvidia driver working again...?05:38
nomasteryodanot yet05:39
nomasteryodastill broke05:39
wilberfannomasteryoda, was that to me...?05:40
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ppjwhats broken in regards to the nvidia driver?05:41
kyjahow can I get rid of an extra entry of decktop in the places menu?05:42
wilberfan[interested in answer to ppj's question] 05:42
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wilberfanand i just remembered that envy won't work properly, either...05:43
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wilberfanso i guess somthing IS broke (no idea what, though)05:43
ppji just installed 7.10 today and im using the nvidia driver05:43
ppjat least thats what xorg says05:43
wilberfanbut did you install the latest updates?05:43
ppjyeah im  fully updated, let me make sure05:43
ppjit was liek 400 updates total05:44
wilberfanI downloaded something like 154 updates (on two different gutsy machines) and I can't get the nvidia driver working on either...05:44
ppjive got 4 updates but i cant download them05:44
wilberfanppj, that makes sense...if you just installed 7.10 today, yeah...05:44
ppjer  nm i wasnt sudoed05:44
ppjisnt this linux-restricted-blahblah the broken one?05:45
wilberfanppj, yeah, that sounds right...05:45
ppjah yeah thats in my list, i guess i'll download it to see what breaks05:45
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wilberfanwhen i run my Update Manager, i have a greyed-out "linux-restricted-modules-generic" listed...05:46
Konamnomasteryoda it doesn't work :(05:46
ppjyeah i was given the option to run a partial upgrade05:46
Konameither way......05:46
shachafMy most recent dist-upgrade seems to have made bcm43xx stop working... Has anyone else had this problem?05:47
wilberfanthe Restricted Drivers Manager tells me it's missing "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic", so I guess that's all consistent...05:47
ppjwtf05:47
ppjwhat are you supposed ot do to make a mounted harddrive stay persistent after reboots05:47
wilberfan[shrug] 05:47
ppji thought you just mounted them05:47
wilberfani'll check back later...gonna go eat dinner now...05:48
`Matiranyone else having problems with bash not reading .bash_profile/.bashrc?  Even when I do "source .bashrc", it doesn't read it in.05:49
shachafHmm, there's a known problem with restricted-modules?05:51
shachaf`Matir: Is there anything odd in the .bashrc?05:51
eythiannew power history thing in gutsy is great - hopefully it means charging time will be correctly estimated for once.05:51
`Matirshachaf, not really... few functions, aliases, variable definitions.... I can run it via "/bin/bash .bashrc", but that obviously doesn't get exported to my session05:52
ppjsorry guys whats the command to list all of my hd*/sd* drives again05:52
shachaf`Matir: Maybe @paste it? Manual sourcing should work.05:53
`Matirshachaf, it had been working for months with no changes... but I'll try pasting it in a few05:53
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shachaf`Matir: You didn't change it?05:54
org_so im really screwed now.05:54
`Matirshachaf, nope... just stopped working with the latest bash as of today05:54
shachaf`Matir: Add "echo a" to the beginning, to make sure it's really being sourced?05:54
`Matirshachaf, ok, will try, brb05:55
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org_i have nvidia-glx-new & nvidia-glx-new-dev both installed along with nvidia-kernel-common05:55
org_but I think my video card is not installed, That what gutsy thinks.05:55
org_whenever I restart X. It goes to a blank screen, then a window popup that says "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" choose to configure or continue or cancel.05:56
org_I go configure and keep chosing between drivers until i choose some nvidia. then it starts with bad resulotion 800x600, no games work, and nothing basicaly works, so my vga is not installed well, what should i do05:56
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org_this is diff. my worest day. I've lost in a pool tournoment today versus a bad player. and now upgraded my system from feisty which was awesome to gutsy and everything is screwed to me until now. im so sad.05:57
VousDeuxwell, it looks like the best I can get is 1280x800 on a vesa driver05:58
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org_i can get 1280x1024... but I need to install my video driver first... and I couldn't do that here in gutsy, i did it in feisty tho and ran in 1280x1024 really good05:59
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=== usser whistles... popular tunes
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usserits 00:0006:00
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ppj0006:01
ppji lose06:01
VousDeuxfunny thing is, I can change to nv driver and restart X and it seems to be working, but if I reboot I'm dead again and I have to reload vesa driver06:01
ppjmy nvidia is purring06:01
SuperQarg: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic06:01
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usserSuperQ: the nonexistent one?06:02
ppjexcept if i maximize my shell is consulses like its having a heartattack06:02
ppjconvulses06:02
Konamthe system sounds doesn't work :(06:02
SuperQusser: yes, missing06:02
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NubbiePS: intel drivers are key.06:03
VousDeuxbut hey, even with vesa drivers and the "SHMConfig" "on" the touch pad still doesn't work right06:04
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org_how can i make it that windows be in top of a panel? is that possible06:06
VousDeuxthe bright spot of the day, for me, is at least this notebook stand is cool06:06
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VousDeuxorg_, I'm not sure I understand your question06:07
Nubbievmware...06:07
Nubbieorg_: add the full screen option to your .vmx file.06:07
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org_VousDeux, I meant, you do have a panel right? When you open an application or browser, or xchat, or anything, it can't be in top of that panel right? I want to make my windows in top of that panel.06:08
org_like what i maximize, It goes up of that panel.06:09
Nubbieohh06:09
VousDeuxI still don't have a clue what you mean...sorry06:10
Nubbieorg_: there may be a gconf key for that.06:10
NubbieVousDeux: he wants to make it so his applications run over top of his panels.06:10
org_VousDeux, ok, are you in X now?06:10
VousDeuxyes06:10
VousDeuxwhat are you calling panel?06:10
Dr_willisGrr.. using 2 monitors.. and these lame programs like to open up new windows on the wrong monitor/06:10
Dr_willisheh.,06:10
org_VousDeux, ok if your using terminal or even xchat, click "Maximize window"06:10
VousDeuxokay, I maximized xchat06:11
org_ok, do you still see the panel where it has "clock & your battery & your windows applications & menu" do you still see it?06:11
VousDeuxyes, I do see it06:11
org_Yea, I don't want that :)06:11
VousDeuxahhh...I see now06:11
org_I want when i maximize, It goes in TOP of my panel that has clock & all things.06:12
org_in kde there was an option when you right click in panel > Properties, you can chose to allow window to be in top of panel, but can't seem to find that in gnome >_<06:13
VousDeuxI found it on KDE Panel settings06:14
org_yep06:16
VousDeuxI would help you look for it on Gnome, but my video driver isn't working properly, so I can't launch VMware06:16
org_I just said its there. but in gnome there is not06:16
Nubbieorg_: have you checked for a gconf key yet...06:16
org_I'm in gnome looking, there isn't.06:16
org_Nubbie, I'll check on that. I thought its just some properties gui editing06:17
nomasteryodagconf editor06:17
org_VousDeux, you can use kde but you can't use gnome?06:17
org_weird.06:17
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nomasteryodaso you have x working org_ ?06:17
mrjdude, i just ran some updates and my grub wiped out the settings i had for menu.lst06:17
org_nomasteryoda, I'm on x. but a weird X.06:17
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VousDeuxI don't have Gnome installed on my host OS...only VMware guest06:17
org_nomasteryoda, and no, didn't fix it.. I can't.06:17
org_nobody can\06:17
nomasteryodaah06:17
nomasteryodaok06:17
ppjthis is one hell of a beta06:18
org_ppj, is it good?06:18
nomasteryodaright because of the drivers06:18
nomasteryodalol06:18
ppjis what good06:18
org_ppj, the beta!06:18
nomasteryodaorg_, hemeans not good06:18
ppjno its pretty awful06:18
org_ppj, i agree06:18
nomasteryodabeen good to me so far06:18
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ppji cant picture it released in 13 days06:18
org_it can't even install for me my drivers06:18
nomasteryodabut on laptop only... desktop was pain for a while06:18
ppjorg_, i just ran an update and it somehow killed the menu.lst i setup iwth my xp/2k3 kernels06:19
ppjlol06:19
ppjand now my nvidia driver broke06:19
Vueni am still sore about this ctrl+alt+backspace issue.06:19
ppjsweet06:19
VousDeuxI really don't think my hardware is going to make the cut for this release06:19
nomasteryodappj, it always will do that06:19
org_nomasteryoda, I can't even play games dude. even tho i have "glx" in my xorg.conf & GL is installed. but still,, can't open games06:19
nomasteryodathe menu.lst06:19
Vuenanyone remember windows 3.1? you could obliterate the desktop with ctrl+alt+delete.06:19
org_ppj, me too06:19
nomasteryodaright i know org_ i had that too06:19
Nubbiei've had absolutely no problems running gutsy's beta.06:19
org_ppj, my nvidia driver broke for a long time.. can't even fix it.06:19
ppjnomasteryoda, really? why because its putting the older kernels ontop?06:19
Vuenknow what happened? people complained. so in windows 95, they changed it so you had to press it twice. the first time gives you a warning06:19
nomasteryodanot rebooting til that works..06:19
ppjVuen, oh my god get over it06:20
nomasteryodaVuen, eeewww06:20
org_I wish i can go back to feisty... i would do it without even thinking.06:20
Vuenand know why they got rid of it entirely when switching from ME to 2000? because it's totally unnecessary.06:20
nomasteryodaya please06:20
nomasteryodareboot with the fesity cd in06:20
nomasteryoda=D06:20
nomasteryodastart over06:20
org_nomasteryoda, that would take time....06:20
org_noway to start over..06:20
nomasteryodaya true06:20
nomasteryodahehe06:20
nomasteryodawell that's the windows way... we're not like that here... hehe06:21
ppjeh, i expected the beta to be a beta but not this betaish, if that makes sense06:21
VousDeuxFeisty didn't even come close to supporting my hardware, and it doesn't look like Gutsy will either06:21
nomasteryodai am still technically using alpha...06:21
VousDeuxwell, Gutsy is at least closer06:21
org_VousDeux, do you have your video driver installed in gutsy?06:21
nomasteryodaonly been upgrading every minute i get06:21
ppjhaha i love 800x600 vesa drivers on my 22" lcd06:21
nomasteryodaLOl06:21
nomasteryodapurty06:21
VousDeuxorg_, I did have until the updates today06:21
ppji can jog along side the logout button of a jogging guy06:21
nomasteryodanice one06:22
ppjhes so big06:22
org_VousDeux, so now your video is not installed?06:22
nomasteryodalolrotf06:22
org_VousDeux, do you think my VGA problem is from the update today??06:22
VousDeuxorg_, but they didn't work exactly right, I could not change resolution to anything other than 1680x105006:22
org_VousDeux, hmm werid.. do you get a msg popup window on startup of X that says "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" ?06:23
VousDeuxorg_, I'm only able to use vesa driver right now...waiting for them to fix linux-restricted-modules-generic06:23
ppjso why does grub write over my custom entries? is there a way to stop that06:23
Nubbiegutsy was the first version of ubuntu ever to give me X with the proper resolution right off the bat.06:23
VousDeuxorg_, I've never seen that warning06:23
Nubbiehowever, i still needed to config my xorg.conf manually.06:23
ppji mean new kernel entries are fine, but getting rid of my old entries is crap06:23
org_VousDeux, I saw that 100 times today. And i google' nobody has it before.06:23
org_That means I'm first?06:23
VousDeuxlucky you :)06:24
Dr_willisppj,  the grub menu.lst has spots  for your custom entrys to be - and they wont get touched.06:24
ppjthats what i figured06:24
ppjcool06:24
org_I can config my xorg.conf. but what would happen after a restart X? It will pop an error msg, then replace my xorg.conf with a crappy one, every single time it does that for me.06:24
Dr_willisread the menu.lst carefully - it has a lot of comments with good info. :)06:24
org_thats un-acceptable.06:24
org_VousDeux, when they will fix restricted-modules?06:25
Nubbieorg_: when your x fails, hit ctrl alt F6, log in, then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:25
org_hey guys do you think the same xorg.conf that worked for me in Feisty. would work here in gutsy? Hence same PC & same hardware! yes?06:25
VousDeuxearlier someone said a few hours...but I'm not sure that was an authoritative answer06:25
org_Nubbie, I did that a thousand times.06:25
VousDeuxI would expect it to be fixed today06:26
VousDeuxhopefully06:26
Nubbieorg_: it might work, give it a shot. if not, big whoop, you're back where you started.06:26
nomasteryodawell, seems there is an update to the realtime kernel restricted modules06:26
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org_Nubbie, It created a cool xorg.conf for me, with my exact hard-ware prefences. Then when i reboot, again it pops that msg that says "ubuntu is now running in low graphic mode" then i have to configure from there, and it replace xorg.conf to another one, A crappy one. bad resulotion, bad VGA card. dnno whats wrong.06:26
nomasteryodajust now on the "us.archives.ubuntu.com"06:26
nomasteryodacause i have that in here too06:26
nomasteryodafor testing06:26
ppjautomagic kernels list06:27
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ppjcute name06:27
nomasteryodasorry for the longer post... "The following packages have been automatically kept back:06:27
nomasteryoda  linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic06:27
nomasteryodaThe following packages have been kept back:06:27
nomasteryoda  duplicity linux-backports-modules-rt linux-headers-generic linux-headers-rt linux-image-rt06:27
nomasteryoda  linux-restricted-modules-rt linux-rt" with aptitude06:27
nomasteryodaya it is06:27
org_Nubbie, I gave it a shot dude.06:28
ppjbahha, i own grub06:28
org_Nubbie, I told you. every single time, whatever I put in my xorg.conf. it'll replace that one to a crapp xorg.conf, every time man06:28
nomasteryodaoh well nvm06:28
nomasteryodai'm tired .. it was heldback...06:28
nomasteryodahehe06:28
wersI have not added any 3rd party repo. but now, there are kernel updates available that the software updater claim not to be authenticated.. do you think that it's okay for me to update?06:28
overcluckerubotu, it was  tv show06:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about it was  tv show - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:28
overcluckerheh06:28
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org_aight, im done with this.06:29
SilentDis'lo :)06:29
org_now why games are not working?06:29
nomasteryodagl06:29
nomasteryodagl06:29
nomasteryodaGL06:29
overcluckerso, um what kernel is 7.10 using?06:29
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org_nomasteryoda, I have them installed man.. :(06:29
nomasteryodaright, but without GL nvidia, you can't ...06:30
nomasteryodawait for 6hrs06:30
org_i have nvidia nomasteryoda06:30
org_nomasteryoda, your the man, come on help me out.. i want to play wow06:30
nomasteryodaright, but not the restricted kernel modules to go with the nice new kernel you have06:30
nomasteryodalol06:30
org_nomasteryoda, you can't play games too?06:30
nomasteryodasomeone's addicted huh?06:30
nomasteryodaerr, sure i can06:30
nomasteryodabut i have not rebooted06:31
org_why06:31
overcluckerubotu kernel06:31
ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild06:31
nomasteryodastill using same stuff that was there before the update06:31
org_try to reboot, lets see what will happen06:31
nomasteryodalol06:31
SilentDiseep, and here I was about to take the plunge and go 7.10.  I can't live without my WoW!06:31
VousDeuxhehe...GL no work without good video drivers06:31
nomasteryodasleep required .... can't now... if it breaks, wife will not be happy... since she uses that thing more than me lately06:31
org_nomasteryoda, but I don't get it. i have nvidia installed, and GL installed. why you saying its not installed dude!!06:31
nomasteryodai just remote in with nx06:31
advancedonsitehey i noticed that theres the update .18 now is it considered pretty stable06:32
nomasteryodakernelmodules06:32
VousDeuxI'll probably have to recompile VMware again too, but I don't want to mess with it until the video is back working again06:32
nomasteryodaya06:32
org_VousDeux, whats VMware?06:32
nomasteryodawould be a waste of time06:32
VousDeuxit06:32
nomasteryodaits awesome... and VirtualBox is pretty good06:32
nomasteryodarun windows in a window06:32
nomasteryodaor Linux or BSD06:32
VousDeuxit's a virtual computer environment06:33
VousDeuxwith it you can run other OS's inside of a tabbed window06:33
VousDeuxor full screen too06:33
VousDeuxso you can change OS with a keystroke06:34
peepsalotcan't wait for the official Gutsy release06:34
advancedonsiteanyone working with a T6106:34
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VousDeuxplenty of Kubuntu users here06:35
SilentDis:D06:35
WorkingOnWiseSilentDis: I think they will lit you in. AKAIK, kubuntu users have prettier skirts...06:36
VousDeuxSilentDis, we just have to type a little slower for the Ubuntu crowd :)06:36
SilentDisroflmao06:36
NubbieSilentDis: type this into your terminal... "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"06:36
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Nubbie:)06:37
SilentDisNubbie: already did.  i use some of the parts of the ubuntu-desktop environment as it is, figured i might as well have it installed.  I still use KDM though lol06:37
Dr_willisthen hit 'return' :)06:37
Nubbieoh yeah, thanks doc.06:37
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Dr_willis'i dont have a return key... i got an enter key'      ----> overheard once...06:38
Nubbieif i'm trying to newb somebody, i should probably assume they need to be told to hit the enter key lol06:38
NubbieSilentDis: i keed.06:38
org_whats the time in USA now06:38
Nubbie:l06:38
Dr_willisor when someone types   'cd space slash root '06:38
SilentDisDr_willis: that's when you pick up their keyboard, and bash them in the face, repeatedly.  if they question this action, bash harder, till they stop :D06:38
Dr_willisits 12:30 here in Indiana06:38
Nubbieorg_: there's about 6 time zones in North America... pick one.06:38
Dr_willisso 'midnight' is a good answer06:39
org_HAHAHA06:39
org_omg so big06:39
Nubbiew00t Eastern Standard Time :)06:39
Nubbieorg_: you're forgetting about canada, mexico, and all of central and south america. we all have the same time zones.06:39
SilentDisI always enjoyed telling people to check out slashdot.  "h tee tee pee colin slash slashdot dot org" :D06:39
Nubbieorg_: why is the US so special?06:39
org_>_<06:39
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Dr_willisthe STATE of Indiana has like 3 different Time Zones. :)06:40
Dr_willisall scattered around.06:40
org_because,, I was thinking when ubuntu people will start working in the Video driver resticted thingy.06:40
org_so if its Morning, they might be working as we speak (right now)06:40
org_if its night, i'll think its impossible that they are working now.06:40
Starcraftmazterdoes anyone find that rythmbox plays some music weirdly, and puts in static?06:40
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NubbieSilentDis: you need to go, ess, ell, eh, ess, ehtch, dee, owe, tee.06:40
ironmatarwell  whats the deal on gutsy  will its be as stable and as easy to use as Xp06:40
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Dr_willisgiven how BAD xp is in ways.... :)06:41
Nubbieorg_: who is they...06:41
Dr_willis gutsy is working decently well here.06:41
org_ubuntu delevolers06:41
org_ubuntu developers*06:41
Nubbieorg_: you realize ubuntu is a south african / UK distribution right?06:41
org_really?06:41
Nubbieorg_: and that the developers live all over the world...06:41
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SilentDisironmatar: xp is NOT easy to use, it's just familiar.  if your gauge of 'easy' is 'locigal', then linux has been easier to use since about kernel 2.2 lol06:41
org_WoW06:41
org_Nice06:41
penguincentralhow many updates today?06:41
ppjoh god, enough xp vs ubuntu talk06:41
Nubbiepenguincentral: not enough06:42
org_is there a developer that is in North africa?06:42
ppjseriously06:42
org_like in egypt.06:42
penguincentralNubbie: yeah.  but really, how many?06:42
Nubbieppj: who's talking about XP right now?06:42
ironmatarseriously  its about playing games06:42
ppjNubbie, look up06:42
penguincentralppj: yeah06:42
pwnguindoes anyone actually live in south africa and work on ubuntu?06:42
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Nubbieoh right06:42
VousDeuxupdates just one shy of enough for me :)06:42
ppjpwnguin, south africas a pretty big place, i dont see why not06:42
pwnguincanonical is incorporated in the UK, i presume shuttleworth spends most his time there now06:42
penguincentralmaybe the xp vs ubuntu war should go to offtopic06:42
penguincentral:)06:43
pwnguinppj: not so much06:43
SilentDisironmatar: WoW runs just fine under linux... so does nethack.  what other games are there? :)06:43
ppjnot so much what?06:43
pwnguinppj: theres really only one big city i know of in south africa06:43
Dr_willisSilentDis,  Frozenbubble06:43
pwnguinjohannesburg06:43
ironmatari was just asking a general question  dont need a riot   eve-Online06:43
Nubbieironmatar: you cannot compare them. XP was released 6 years ago, and Gutsy hasn't been released at all yet.06:43
ppjpwnguin, there are like 50 million people in south africa06:43
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ironmatarrofl06:44
SilentDisDr_willis: lol06:44
Nubbielol.06:44
Nubbiequote of the day.06:44
Nubbieright there.06:44
Dr_willisSilentDis,  google for "Rocks and Diamonds" if you like the old boulder dash type games also.06:44
pwnguinppj: it takes more than just people. you need infrastucture, education, and the desire to stick around06:44
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SilentDisDr_willis: actually, i was digging around the other day and found my copy of UT2k4 on DVD.  Might try that sometime, fragfests are always fun :)06:45
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ppjpwnguin, south africa is hardly the cliche africa of movies06:45
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Dr_willisSilentDis,  problem with games like that will be getting all the patches, and extras installed right to play on servers.06:45
Nubbieubuntu service packs happen every day, because stuff breaks every day on every computer anywhere, running any operating system. some people just fix their bugs faster than others.06:45
pwnguinppj: still, the number of developers is skewed to the NA / UE nations06:45
Dr_willisRTCW:ET is a must have classic also06:46
pwnguinand AU06:46
penguincentralwoo! AU06:46
ironmatari understand a bit about ubuntu  from fighting with fiesty til my moniter blew up   what i know about sudo commands and sutch  should be enough to make it within the realm of whats id call "easy"06:46
ppjpwnguin, uh, obviously, but you make it sound like there are no developers out of 50 million people, about 15% being "western" in south africa06:46
SilentDisDr_willis: true. I've been content with WoW and nethack for a long time though, time to throw something new into the mix :)06:46
Nubbieironmatar: if linux made your monitor blow up, you should give computers a rest.06:46
pwnguinppj: and maybe two Ubuntu developers i know of06:46
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pwnguinsh and sabdafl06:47
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Dr_willisSilentDis,  theres a few variants of nethack out also.  Thers also a nice 'Free Colonization' clone called 'freecol' (in java)06:47
ironmatarnope it was a future power about 6 years old maby 706:47
org_so06:47
org_did they fix it yet?06:47
Nubbieironmatar: did you have it plugged in upside down.... did you bend the ground wire off your plug... cause there was no way ubuntu could ever "blow up" your monitor.06:47
ppjdid you plug your usb cable into a firewire slot?06:47
ironmatari dident say it did06:47
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pwnguinppj: i think its silly then to call it a UK / South African distro.06:47
ironmatar:}06:47
Dr_willisTeh Computer Oveclocked his Montitor! :006:47
pwnguinppj: thats my only point, really.06:48
SilentDisDr_willis: actually, i play with falcon's eye usually.  it feels pretty true to the original, and looks pretty :)06:48
clustyis this right place to report compiz issues with gutsy?06:48
ppjpwnguin, i think calling any of the distros by their continent/region is silly06:48
Nubbiequote... " ...  from fighting with fiesty til my moniter blew up..."06:48
Dr_willisUubntu is a 'Human disrto' :)06:48
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Nubbieit is silly, because there's developers everywhere.06:48
ironmatarsorry dident mean to imple the os had anything to do with it06:48
pwnguinppj: im pretty sure red flag linux can safely be called chinese ;)06:48
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ironmatarjust a old old crt06:49
Nubbiei was just wondering why org_ thought all of the developers lived in the US.06:49
[reed] so, where's linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic ?06:49
[reed] :/06:49
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[reed] new kernel released06:49
[reed] but linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13* was forgotten06:49
org_Nubbie, Thanks06:49
ppj[reed] , drunk, clubbing, probably looking for some honies06:49
[reed] ... again06:49
org_Nubbie, hm...06:49
level1the RC comes out tommarow right?  at what hour in what time zone does it happen?06:49
org_reed what you didn't know?06:49
[reed] org_: ?06:50
org_reed, you just came online or what?06:50
Nubbielevel1: whenever they upload it to the servers, and whenever the mirrors sync to it.06:50
pschulz01I'm trying to scan under Gutsy, and it only works if I run xsane with root permissions (gksudo).06:50
ironmatari ahve a gutsy dload ffrom maby 4 weeks back or so  however it seg fautts on startup06:50
[reed] org_: I just updated 251 packages...06:50
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ironmatarer faults06:50
[reed] so, yes, I guess06:50
pschulz01There are 6 bus related top this.06:50
org_reed, ok now wait for restricted.06:50
pschulz01bugs06:50
Nubbieironmatar: thats because you're trying to use ALPHA software.06:50
[reed] org_: how long is the way usually? can't really restart without screwing myself ;)06:50
org_reed, yea don't restart. Don't do like me.06:51
ironmatarno worse than fiesty06:51
org_reed, im so screwed cuz of this. and I can't have my VGA installed perfectly and things running ridiculous!06:51
org_reed, just wait.. it might take a year06:51
Nubbieironmatar: can you please stop it with feisty? it was a good solid release.06:51
Nubbieironmatar: so you had problems, deal with it.06:51
[reed] org_: hopefully not ;)06:51
ironmatarsorry it just dident work for me06:51
Nubbieironmatar: okay?06:52
Nubbieironmatar: and you came and asked for help when you got confused i hope.. instead of just throwing your hands in the air and giving up on it.06:52
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Nubbieyou could throw your hard drive in a microwave and somebody in #ubuntu would help you through it lol.06:53
clustyany1 here using matlab? for some reason compiz is screwing up all windows with it06:53
ironmataryea i did  i dont know how many weeks i played with every solid trick i could find to get it to run  and everyone that helped me  felt it was my 8500gt vid card06:54
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ironmatarwhich isent in restricted drivers yet in fiesty06:55
clustyironmatar, you can run the old kernel06:55
clustytill new odules come out06:55
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clustywhats the rush?06:56
org_come on06:56
org_tell me its fixed06:56
ironmatara corp in 0.0 space with about 5 billion in assets and 7 members06:56
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Nubbieironmatar: that would be when i would've suggested you use intel graphics in the future since intel usually cooperates in releasing driver specs.06:57
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clustythose who google find the results :D07:00
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org_i did "apt-get remove kde-desktop"07:28
org_but i still do have alot of kde packages. How to completly remove everything related to KDE?07:28
jumpkickhas anyone else had a problem with ubuntu package upgrades knocking out their NIC card?07:28
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clustyorg_, tried apt-get autoremove ?07:29
clustythis will trash all packages that were installed as deps07:29
Hobbseeorg_: remove libqt3-mt07:29
org_clusty, I done that too07:29
org_clusty, i done that right after finishing kde-desktop07:29
org_Hobbsee, whats that.07:29
clustylots of stuff will fly out cause of qt07:29
Hobbseeorg_: it's the thing that all hte kde stuff depends on07:30
org_I did it.07:30
clustybut not sure if thats what you want07:30
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org_clusty, will that remove some gnome stuff too?07:30
clustyorg_, there are all sorts of packages depending on QT. try what he said07:30
clustyif nothing needed is tried to be killed proceed07:31
org_clusty, then if something in particular i wanted, i can single install it right07:31
clustysure07:31
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jumpkickoh... seems my dhcp client is the problem07:32
jumpkickhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcdbd/+bug/9336007:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 93360 in dhcdbd "Dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason" [Undecided,Confirmed] 07:32
jumpkickdhcdbd is killing my NIC card on package upgrades07:32
jumpkicklovely07:32
WGGMkis this for dev? or is it cool to ask questions/help?07:33
skinnypuppy1334How would you open a new Gnome session in terminal ctl alt f2  ??07:33
clustyskinnypuppy1334, not sure i get what you mean07:35
WGGMkskinnypuppy1334: i dont think you can have multiple Gnome session's.. I think you need 2 X-servers running to do that07:35
org_damn this command removed amarok :(07:35
clustyorg_, told ye :D07:35
clustyorg_, try banshee07:36
org_clusty, told me wut.. i need amarok dude07:36
org_what is banshee :)07:36
WGGMkbanshee is pretty hawt07:36
clustyorg_, gnome look alike07:36
clustyfor amarok07:36
clustylighter07:36
clustyand faster07:36
WGGMkyou can synch your iPod to it as well07:36
clustybut not as cool looking07:36
clusty:(07:36
org_clusty, ok:)07:36
org_so amarok is only for kde, yes?07:36
WGGMki think so07:37
`Matirorg_, you can install it under gnome07:37
clustyyou can run for gnome07:37
`Matirit will just install some kde libs07:37
skinnypuppy1334I'd heard of a few people talking about launching a new login in f2 and running kde on f2 and gnome on f7.07:37
org_btw, do i type "apt-get autoremove" after the tons of packages that been removed?07:37
skinnypuppy1334That is why I wanted to know how to launch a new session in f207:37
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WGGMkskinnypuppy1334: you got me, dont know how to do that07:37
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clustyi have my doubts you can have 2 WMs for 1 X07:38
org_clusty, ? after apt-get remove libqt3-mt.. do i do "apt-get autoremove" ?? is it needed?07:38
clustyorg_, try and see :D07:38
clustyorg_, cant hurt really07:38
WGGMkcan anyone help or guide me on where broadcom firmware is located?07:38
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org_clusty, no i was wondering if its needed to do that command everytime you apt-get remove a tons of packages.07:38
org_is it like clean or what07:39
WGGMkorg_ it usually tells you when there's packages no longer used07:39
org_ok, whats a KTorrent program alike for gnome?07:39
clustyorg_, i think it checks for all packages that were marked as installed as dependency, and if main package is gone so will the deps be07:39
WGGMkat least it usually tells me after apt-get upgrade07:39
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clustyorg_, go for deluge07:39
clusty:D07:39
skinnypuppy1334Got me too, I remember being able to do it in suse back in 8.2 but that was years ago07:39
clustyits great07:40
org_delute?07:40
clustywhere do you think i can get some suspens support for my poor laptop?07:40
clustydeluge07:40
clustysorry07:40
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org_whats kdiskfree for gnome?07:43
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gaminggeekorg_: hmm?07:46
clustythere is some resource manager07:47
clustysys monitor07:47
gaminggeekwhat does kdiskfree do?07:47
clustyadd the sys monitor applet to your bar07:47
clustyand click on it07:47
gaminggeekoh righto07:48
michael__I just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy, and after doing a dist-upgrade, my restricted drivers were removed.07:49
gaminggeekmichael__: go to the restricted driver manager and add them again maybe?07:49
michael__After trying to run the restricted driver manager it says to get "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic", but when I try to apt-get it, it says the package is not availible07:49
michael__D;07:49
org_Hobbsee, you still there?07:49
Hobbseeyeah07:50
gaminggeekthats no good07:50
Hobbseemichael__: wait.  patience is good.07:50
org_Hobbsee, now how to remove all xfce things & Its packages and stuff :)07:50
michael__Hobbsee, Okay?07:50
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gaminggeekI just upgraded from the disk07:50
Hobbseeorg_: no idea.  see what everything of xfce depends on07:50
org_michael__, its not out, We are all waiting for it :)07:50
Hobbseemichael__: this happens every kernel upload.07:50
org_Hobbsee, Ok.07:50
Hobbseewith an api bump07:50
michael__Hobbsee, ah07:50
michael__D:07:50
Assidhrmm07:50
Assidanyone here on a dell d600 ?07:51
Assiderr.. if im dling new disc.. should i get the beta or daily build ?07:52
clustymichael__, what kernel are you running?07:53
michael__let's see07:53
michael__Linux michael-laptop 2.6.22-13-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 4 17:18:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux07:53
clustyhold tight07:53
clusty:D07:54
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clustythe restricted modules are not out07:54
michael__clusty, How long do you think it'll take?07:54
michael__D: Right now I'm plugged into a line07:54
HobbseeAssid: daily07:54
clustymichael__, use the 12 one07:54
HobbseeAssid: sorry, btea.07:54
michael__clusty, kk07:54
clustymichael__, no package yet for 13 restricted07:54
AmaranthProbably don't see an archive admin to let l-r-m out of binary NEW until monday07:54
Amaranths/don't/won't/07:54
comanddoh07:55
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Amaranthcomand: as i told you in #ubuntu+107:55
comandyeah07:55
Amarantherr, in #ubuntu07:55
Assidokay brb.. gotta get on my 2mbit07:55
michael__clusty, Wait, so how do I go back?07:55
Amaranthmichael__: from the grub menu at boot07:55
WGGMkclusty: will i need to redownload broadcom firmware when the restricted modules are released for 13.. or can i use the old firmware?07:55
michael__Amaranth, ah07:55
michael__D: k07:55
Amaranthmichael__: it probably says 'press esc to show menu'07:55
clustycheck grub config07:56
clustymake sure you get to choose kernel07:56
clustyif not move the 12 one first07:56
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michael__I just moved around the kernels in menu.lst07:57
michael__:)07:57
clustymichael__, gr807:57
AmaranthI just built the package locally :P07:57
clustyhow do you do that?07:57
Amaranthtakes awhile07:57
clustynvm then :D07:57
clustyhelp help07:58
clusty:D07:58
clustysuspend aint working :((((((((((((((07:58
Amaranthsudo apt-get build-essential && sudo apt-get build-dep linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic && sudo apt-get -b source linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic07:58
clustythats it?07:58
clusty:D"07:58
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DM|Ok help me out guys, ive tried 7.04 7.10, and 7.04 alternate CD, no matter what i still get a kernel panic when trying to install from scratch, any ideas?08:01
clustyDM|, what hardward do you have?08:02
clustyhardware*08:02
clustysome cutting edge new stuff?08:02
DM|850 mhz pent 3, 160gb hd, 860+ ram (Forget number)08:02
DM|no older stuff08:02
clustyany hints to why it panics?08:03
WGGMkDM|: what kind of kernel panic?08:04
DM|lemme go back to that terminal one sec08:04
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DM|<0> Kernel Panic - not syncing: attemted to kill the idle Task!08:04
WGGMkDM|: i dunno if id run Ubuntu on your system.. did you ever try DSL?08:05
DM|damn small linux, no08:05
clustyDM|, no idea really08:05
clustyhardware changed a lot since p308:06
clustyand so did hardware support08:06
WGGMkDM|: it might be more appealing as far as "performance" is concerned08:06
DM|L (08:06
WGGMkdoesnt Ubuntu have a tiny distro?08:06
clusty..or a BSD08:06
DM|Performance is fine on it, that was never a problem08:06
clusty:D08:06
DM|I had ubuntu at one point on that pc08:06
WGGMkDM|: oh, that changes things08:06
WGGMkDM| : do you have any weird add on cards?08:07
DM|i unplugged pretty much all of them08:07
DM|even changed vid cards08:08
DM|lemme try disconnecting some HDDs08:08
WGGMkDM|: i dunno what else it could be.. which was the last distro of bunty you had working?08:08
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AhadielAnyone have issues with Deluge-torrent?08:09
AhadielIt just crashes when I try to run it =/08:09
org_There isn't a version of deluge for Gutsy.08:09
org_its all for feisty there. isnt it?08:09
clustyorg_, i got a newer deluge08:10
AhadielIt's in the repos D: And there's a gutsy version on their site.08:10
clustyfrom site08:10
Ahadielclusty, I tried the one from the site, but it still crashes08:10
org_clusty, for gutsy? I was in the site. there is no gutsy version08:10
org_but whatever makes you hapy you know.08:10
AhadielI'll try removing my .deluge directory08:10
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clustyorg_, http://download.deluge-torrent.org/index.php?dir=ubuntu/gutsy/0.5.5/&file=deluge-torrent_0.5.5-2_i386.deb08:10
org_thanks i now use transmission08:11
org_its pretty good08:11
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jaek_so the nvidia restricted driver is supposed to work on gusty?08:11
org_jaek_, yeah08:11
org_jaek_, i mean it doesn't work.08:11
org_jaek_, you can't install nvidia driver, not today.08:12
jaek_k, cus when i run that configure thing i cant get it to accept the nvidia driver08:12
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WGGMkjaek_: like i said in #ubuntu, you shouldnt need to install the package from nVidia.. Gusty does it for you.. using the open source version08:12
jaek_using nv, right08:13
WGGMkjaek_: oops.. sorry08:13
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org_jaek_, yea im using "nv" too08:13
jaek_but i'm trying to get the "nvidia" driver to work08:13
org_jaek_, just for now tho08:13
org_jaek_, you can't.08:13
wedderburnwhen are the linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-13-generic for gutsy going to be available, thanks.08:13
org_i been throw this, for a long time08:13
WGGMkjaek_: my xorg.conf says im using nVidia.. installed from restricted drivers manager08:13
jaek_org_, so, when gusty is officially released nvidia isnt going to work either?08:13
gunnyI'm trying qbittorrent it its at RC3 stage seems pretty good08:13
org_jaek_, each time i restart X. i got a window pop that says "ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" then i configure back to "nv" so it work..08:14
org_it only work in "nv"08:14
org_nothing else08:14
jaek_org_, yeah same here08:14
org_jaek_, yea man, its been horrible for me too.. only thing we can do, is to wait.08:14
jaek_WGGMk, please post your xorg.conf on pastebin or something08:14
org_meanwhile you can't start games or restart X. just wait08:14
WGGMkjaek: sec08:14
jaek_i might downgrade08:14
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wedderburni got the same issue its cause the restricted modules arn't in yet for when are the linux-2.6.22-1308:14
org_jaek_, downgrade what? Kernel??08:14
jaek_i jsut did a fresh install so it wont be bad to do it again08:14
MasterShrekorg_, did u try the driver from nvidia's site?08:14
org_MasterShrek, yea it can't work08:14
org_MasterShrek, its from gutsy08:15
jaek_MasterShrek, no, i dont want to go outside the package manager08:15
MasterShrekits just your vid card driver, but w/e08:15
DM|WGGMk it was a bad stick of memory.... lol08:15
MasterShrekits not like its re-configuring your entire system, its one driver, i mean in a windows install you install a billion different drivers from all over the place08:15
org_MasterShrek, no its not, I got the CD driver from my vga box.08:15
org_MasterShrek, and it didnt work08:15
WGGMkDM|: nice.. i was thinking hardware... good troubleshooting man08:16
org_MasterShrek, do you have gutsy?08:16
MasterShrekyes08:16
org_MasterShrek, nvidia vga card?08:16
MasterShrekyes08:16
WGGMkjaek_: http://pastebin.org/423408:16
org_and its installed?08:16
MasterShrekyes08:16
org_MasterShrek, when was last time you reboot system?08:16
MasterShrekruns great, fusion works fine08:16
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MasterShrekall the time, i take my laptop to class every day08:17
org_no i mean today08:17
org_did you boot08:17
org_the last 3 hrs08:17
MasterShrekyea, a bunch of times08:17
MasterShrekno, whats that got to do with it?08:17
org_weird.. show me your xorg.conf pls08:17
clustyMasterShrek, what hardware is your laptop?08:17
MasterShrekum..ok?08:17
jaek_MasterShrek, seems to be using the binary from nvidia directly08:17
MasterShrekgeforce go 615008:17
jaek_WGGMk, you are using the gusty driver?08:18
clustyMasterShrek, i cant my 7400 to work08:18
clustyMasterShrek, i mean suspend08:18
MasterShrektried nvidia's driver from their site?08:18
MasterShreki dont suspend, never has worked well in linux08:18
MasterShrekor hibernate08:18
WGGMkjaek_: yes08:18
clustyit works just fine on my old broken p4 laptop08:18
clusty:D08:18
clustylaptop with no suspend is unacceptable :D08:19
MasterShrekif the gutsy driver doesnt work for you, used nvidia's from their website08:19
MasterShrekmine boots fast enough, i dont mind :)08:19
WGGMkjaek_: which kernel are you running?08:19
jaek_default gusty one, 2.6.24 or something08:20
MasterShrekorg_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39740/08:20
MasterShrek2.6.2208:20
jaek_yeah i guess that one08:20
org_MasterShrek, ok here's what happen, I install my vga card driver from cd or even synaptic, i got latest nvidia drivers. (Same way i did in feisty & it worked in feisty) allright. then i configure my xorg.conf really well, I made the nvidia device in xorg. and i made it as Feisty too and in feisty it worked too. then i reboot. and strange window will pop. with a high resulotion 800x600 saying that "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" Then it ask me to conf08:20
WGGMk-#?08:20
MasterShrek23 isnt even released yet, rc8 or something08:20
org_igure to pick a nvidia from a list, then my xorg.conf will be changed, & my vga will be "nv" instead of "nvidia" Thats the only way it works, why is that? because of the restidrted thats not updated from gutsy. you can't have that work until gutsy will release their restirdted modules.08:20
winbondare the firefox/flash crashes gonna be fixed in gutsy?? so far its still crashes, has been crashing forever08:21
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MasterShrekorg_, install the driver from nvidia08:21
MasterShrekitll work fine, you just gotta recompile it whenever your kernel gets upgraded08:21
nir0hi all! how do i turn off brightness control? it's broken to me, and when i work from battery it darkens display down to 0 :(((08:22
MasterShreknir0, what kinda vid card u got?08:22
org_MasterShrek, why recompile it when kernel gets upgraded? Recompile the video driver from synaptic you mean? is it better than the website driver?08:22
WGGMkorg_: the nvidia driver is a module.. because its closed source.. you have to install it to run it.. the kernel cant have "built in" support for it.. unless you build it in. so if you ever change your kerenel.. your going to have to reinstall and use that module08:23
MasterShreki think the website's driver is newer, but i dont know, ive never used the ubuntu driver08:23
nir0MasterShrek: GeForce 8600m GT08:23
MasterShreknir0, using restriced drivers?08:23
nir0MasterShrek: well, maybe08:23
org_WGGMk, that makes sense, but why is it not working atm. and if i get driver from nvidia website will it work?08:23
WGGMkorg_: your running gusty? it SHOULD be working08:24
org_WGGMk, its not working08:24
WGGMkorg_: from terminal.. sudo lsmod08:24
org_ok08:24
MasterShreknir0, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia08:25
org_WGGMk, wait08:25
nir0MasterShrek: btw, when i'm trying to increase brightness it decreases instead (or stay 0)... even after reboot, when OS is not up08:25
WGGMkorg_: did you download the restricted drivers manager? and the nvidia drivers? open the manager up and see if it says enabled08:25
MasterShreknir0, ic08:25
MasterShreknir0, i think mine is controlled by my bios also, ur using gutsy?08:25
nir0MasterShrek: only way to return brightness is to load vista08:25
org_WGGMk, http://pastebin.com/m6ea6e7d708:25
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MasterShreknir0, ick =P08:25
org_WGGMk, i download restricted drivers?08:25
org_WGGMk, the restricted new one is not available thats why its not working08:26
kidalabamahello08:26
kidalabamame too08:26
kidalabamai have got same problem too.08:26
WGGMkorg_: are you running 2.6.22-13?08:26
MasterShrekorg_, you dont have the driver loaded there08:26
MasterShreki spose not, like u said it wont go into x, so the module wouldnt be loaded08:26
kidalabamalinux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic08:27
WGGMkorg_: IF you use the nVidia driver FROM nvidia.. you should have a module called "nvidia" loaded after running that command08:27
org_MasterShrek, omg i tried. it cant be loaded. each time i try to install it. and ganarate my xorg.conf.. i restart X. then everything will go back to the same as my last time.. My xorg will change so is the dirver.08:27
nir0MasterShrek: yes... i'm on gusty now... on fiesty brightness control didn't work at all08:27
org_WGGMk, yes 2.6.22.1308:27
WGGMkkidalabama & org_: use 2.6.22-1208:27
MasterShrekpeople, use nvidias drivers, ive never had any problems with it, i hear nothign but bad things about this restricted driver crap, id trust nvidia way more for support anyway08:27
jaek_The following packages have been kept back: linux-restricted-modules-generic08:27
org_WGGMk, how to i do that.08:27
kidalabamahow can i turn 2.6.22-1208:28
org_MasterShrek, so even if they updated kernel you will not get newest restricted and re-compile your nvidia?08:28
kidalabamaWGGMk: how can i turn 2.6.22-1208:28
WGGMkorg_: like MasterShrek just said.. you can use the nvidia drivers.. its not hard to use... OR you can reboot.. and when your thing comes up hit ESC (ya know when GRUB loader comes up) and select it fromthe kernel lsit08:28
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MasterShrekorg_, yes, i just keep the driver in my directory, and when it updates a kernel and i get stuck out of x, i recompile it, takes 30 seconds to a minute, and im back in x08:29
org_i'll do what MasterShrek said.08:29
org_ill try it08:29
WGGMkkidalabama: like i just told org_..08:29
se7en^Of^9does compiz not have the maximize, minimize,close bar (sorry i don;t know how it;s called) or is this a bug08:29
MasterShrekorg_, you cant be in x when you install it though08:29
kidalabamawhen will create ne linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic08:29
kidalabamaWGGMk: when will create ne linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic08:29
org_WGGMk, is there a driver for linux in nvidia website? I'm actually using a nvidia gforce 7300 GS08:29
nir0MasterShrek: so, you can't say how to turn off brightness control?08:29
WGGMkkidalabama: i have no idea08:29
WGGMkorg_: yea..08:30
MasterShrekim not sure on that nir0, i think its a bios thing, and im guessing theres probably no support in the kernel for that particular bios option08:30
MasterShrekorg_, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html08:30
jaek_damn i wish gnome didnt try to push evolution down my throat... i never use it08:30
WGGMkorg_: its pretty much 1 size fits all08:30
bazhanghi! how to start up from a Vista machine from the CD drive so I can install Kubuntu over it?08:30
org_hmm08:30
MasterShrekjaek_, its not as annoying as totem08:30
kidalabamaWGGMk: i am now using now wired network.08:30
bazhangThanks!08:30
org_MasterShrek, is that for all kind of gforce nvidia??08:30
WGGMkjaek_: how exactly is it pushing it down your throat lol08:31
nir0MasterShrek: support is now exists, but its broken!08:31
MasterShrekorg_, yea, it will compile itself for your card i think08:31
jaek_WGGMk, uh, can you remove it cleanly?08:31
org_MasterShrek, so do i need to quit X08:31
org_then download that file?08:31
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jaek_WGGMk, i think gnome depends on having it... might be wrong08:31
org_and compile it08:31
MasterShreknir0, what kernel are you using? uname -a08:31
WGGMkjaek_: i never tried.. prolly has gnome as a dependancy though so i wouldnt08:31
MasterShrekorg_, yea, youll have to drop to tty1 or whatever, and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop08:31
nir0MasterShrek: Linux nir0-acer-aspire 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux08:31
org_this seems so hard08:32
se7en^Of^9does compiz not have the maximize, minimize,close bar (sorry i don;t know how it;s called) or is this a bug i use kubuntu gutsy08:32
MasterShreki dunno for soure nir0, my buddy had an acer laptop that would never run right in linux08:32
nir0se7en^Of^9: your question is not for compiz08:32
nir0se7en^Of^9: but for emerald or gtk-window-decorator08:33
jaek_how do i see why a package is being held back?08:33
MasterShrekorg_, make sure you chmod a+x NVIDIA....    so its executeable08:33
MasterShrekjaek_, doesnt it tell you?08:33
se7en^Of^9nir0: i got emerald installed08:33
gunnyse7en^Of^9: sounds like your missing the windows decorators08:34
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MasterShrekse7en^Of^9, run emerald --replace08:34
jaek_linux-restricted-modules-generic: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic but it is not installable08:34
nir0se7en^Of^9: try "emerald --replace"08:34
se7en^Of^9ok thanks i will try08:34
nir0se7en^Of^9: and then emerald-themes-manager08:34
MasterShrekjaek_, try opening synaptic and see if it can give you more info08:34
jaek_kk08:34
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org_so i do "sh NVIDIA-Linux-ia64-1.0-5336-pkg1.run"08:35
org_and then run X? Thats all MasterShrek ?08:35
MasterShrekorg_, yea or ./NVIDIA....08:35
MasterShrekur running intel 64 bit?08:35
MasterShrekorg_, to start x afterwards: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start08:36
org_I think so08:36
org_maybe intel 12808:36
org_now how do i quit from X08:36
MasterShrekorg_, paste the output of uname -a  for me before u do this08:36
nir0org_: you should let installer to edit xorg if its first install08:36
org_Linux nawaf.com 2.6.22-13-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 4 17:18:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux08:37
MasterShrekorg_, u downloaded the wrong driver08:37
org_nir0, how to let installer to edit xorg?08:37
MasterShrekhttp://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.19.html org_08:37
MasterShrekorg_, it will ask you at the end of the install if u want it to update your xorg08:37
MasterShrekyou can say no if u got it set up yourself08:38
MasterShrekit will still use nvidia as the driver, just like the ubuntu like driver would08:38
WGGMkorg_: download the file.. then quit X by CTRL+ALT+F1 then login and run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" then "sudo sh NVIDIA_REST_OF_FILE.pkg" follow steps.. then after your done.. "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start or restart"08:38
WGGMkMasterShrek: you shouldnt have to do that08:38
WGGMkse7en^Of^9: its prolly a bug.. trying download the emerald theme and then running "emerald --replace &"08:38
WGGMkshould be sudo apt-get isntall emerald08:38
WGGMkinstall*08:38
org_dang... my gnome is becoming so slow... why is that, is it because vga not installed? :/08:38
jaek_what is the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new08:38
nox-HandIs it correct that within the last 24 hours, 124mb of upgrades (259) have been added to update list?08:38
MasterShrekorg_, could be08:38
Hobbseenox-Hand: likely08:39
org_WGGMk, thanks. that was helpful08:39
org_MasterShrek, ok thanks08:39
org_will do that now08:39
MasterShrekgood luck08:39
se7en^Of^9WGGMk: got it installed and emerald --replace nothing changed do i have to run compiz now?08:39
nox-HandHobbsee: Well, I was more thinking if anyone could check (do an apt-get update, upgrade08:39
org_WGGMk, btw, ctrl+alt+f1 will kill my current X or make it on hold?08:39
MasterShrekorg_, on hold, ctrl+alt+f7 brings you back08:40
Hobbseenox-Hand: and the chances that they have exacltly the same packages as you is...08:40
WGGMkorg_: will make it hold08:40
org_ok, but "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" will kill it right?08:40
MasterShrekorg_, yes08:40
org_ok brb.. let me go fast before i forget these08:41
nox-HandHobbsee: Haha, touch08:41
Hobbseenox-Hand: not overly - more just amused at your lack of thought before you asked your question :)08:41
jaek_what is the "new" nvidia-glx driver for?08:41
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WGGMkorg_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop MEANS Gnome Display Manager Stop08:41
WGGMkse7en: "emerald --replace &" should work..08:41
MasterShrekits probably just a newer version of it jaek_, nvidia periodically releases driver updates, and i would assume ubuntu doesnt update the right away08:42
nox-HandHobbsee: Got out of bed about... 2 mins ago :P I always do upgrades first thing :) (made a short script that does update, upgrade and dist-upgrade)08:42
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se7en^Of^9WGGMk: nop nothing ...08:42
Hobbseenox-Hand: haha.08:43
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jaek_k, i think i understand why nvidia wont load08:44
WGGMkorg_: yea it will kill it08:44
MasterShrekorg_'s been gone for 3 minutes lol08:44
jaek_linux-restricted-modules-generic wants to upgrade to match the kernel, but the linux-restricted-modules-common package isnt up to date08:44
WGGMkse7en: i dunno man.. is compiz running? make sure you have that running to.. try restarting X.. CTRL+ALT+Backspace08:44
MasterShrekjaek_, can u upgrade linux-restricted-modules-common package?08:45
jaek_MasterShrek, no, because it isnt available08:45
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org_Haha08:45
MasterShrekinteresting08:45
org_MasterShrek, I told you, it never will work. you didn't believe me.08:45
MasterShrekwhat did u have again? 7300?08:45
org_yeah 7300 GS08:45
jaek_MasterShrek, "latest version" is 2.6.22.4 while -generic has 2.6.22.13 available08:45
Starcraftmazteryeh I got that as well08:46
org_It's not the driver... because, whenever my gdm want to startup. It will go to a 800x600 resulotion black screen, and popup a window that says "ubuntu is running in low graphic mode" Chose to configure or cancel or continue08:46
jaek_so guys, if you are fortunate to be running 2.6.22.4, do not upgrade08:46
org_whatever I click, it won't start. it'll pop this window again, unless if i choose configure then go to "NV" and click ok08:46
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edulixhi08:46
org_what will that do? It'll change the xorg.conf again.08:46
edulixwhich package contains manpages for opengl?08:47
org_and run the lamest desktop i ever seen. and i cant run games or anything08:47
Hobbseejaek_: it's still proccessing.  this happens *every* *single* *kernel*  *upload*  *with*  *an*  * api*  *bump*.08:47
Hobbseethis should not be new to people.08:47
edulixsomething like http://www.hmug.org/man/3/glTexImage2D.php08:47
jaek_Hobbsee, ah i see, first time i'm using an unstable branch08:47
org_i actually clicked on "PrntScrn" buttom while i was there... does that take a screenshot? If so where can i put it?08:47
MasterShrekorg_, did u let it upgrade your xorg after the driver was installed?08:48
jaek_Hobbsee, so what am i supposed to do then?08:48
org_MasterShrek, yep08:48
org_but the thing i just talked to you about, It does that everytime, it replace my xorg.conf to something else to make X work like this. retardly bad.08:49
Hobbseejaek_: wait.  keep updating.  if you need nvidia stuff, go back to the older kernel version in grub08:49
winbondare the firefox/flash crashes gonna be fixed in gutsy?? so far its still crashes, has been crashing forever08:49
jaek_Hobbsee, i dont have any older kernels, i just installed from the beta3 cd... so i guess i'll download the 7.04 cd and install over again?08:49
Hobbseejaek_: ...there is no beta 3.08:50
Hobbseewinbond: do they happen with gnash and firefox?08:50
WGGMkorg_: sudo lsmod pastebin it.. (bathroom quick)08:50
MasterShrekwinbond, firefox and flash worked fine for me in feisty and in gutsy, and im running 64 bit08:50
Hobbseejaek_: just wait, and keep upgrading08:50
MasterShrekjaek_, or wait until gutsy is released or download the beta image08:51
org_http://pastebin.com/m75487e3308:51
MasterShrekorg_, pastebin your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log08:52
jaek_oh yeah... just says beta... dont know where that 3 came from08:52
WGGMkorg_: did you get thru the nvidia driver install?08:52
MasterShrekjaek_, oh, i thought u were referring to tribe3 or something, yea i upgraded from feisty, seemed to work just fine08:52
MasterShrekyes he did WGGMk08:53
org_WGGMk, yep i did get thru really smooth. and it asked me to ganarate xorg.conf and i said ok08:53
WGGMkMasterShrek: lol i was just gonna ask for those files lol08:53
jaek_my fiesty was so messed up after running auto-remove a few times, so i just started over again08:53
WGGMkMasterShrek: did you notice the nvidia module isnt running???08:53
jaek_does the nv driver run compiz?08:54
MasterShrekyea, but that may be because hes not using it08:54
MasterShrekjaek_, not really i dont think08:54
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org_thats my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m74ab523    (But thats the everytime xorg.conf been made by this error on gdm startup, it usually different than that before i got the error. Even if i change it now, and restart_x it will be like that after i come back on) if u know what i mean08:54
MasterShrekmaybe, but it wont very good at all08:54
jaek_i'm bored so i'll give it a shot ;)08:54
magnetronjaek_: no08:55
org_MasterShrek, http://pastebin.com/mece3ea    the /var/log/Xorg08:55
jaek_WGGMk, what kernel are you running? uname -r08:56
WGGMkorg_: did you restart at all after the install?08:56
WGGMk2.6.22-12 generic08:56
org_WGGMk, nop, i did the gdm start08:56
WGGMkorg_: hmm.. try sudo modprobe nvidia08:56
org_Not loading nvidia_new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:57
MasterShrekorg_, can you pastebin one more thing, your xorg.conf after youve made your modifications08:58
org_k08:58
jaek_i'll wait one day and downgrade... cant live without running wow and compiz ;)08:59
MasterShrekorg_, nvm, did u try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg   ?08:59
WGGMkthis puzzles me..08:59
MasterShrekWGGMk, hes missing things in that xorg.conf, it looks really lean to me09:00
org_MasterShrek, yea before i tried. and after an x restart. it'll pop the window again and change xorg.conf again to that one i already posted :)09:00
org_every single time, if i write "hii" in xorg.conf, it'll change it again to that one u have09:00
MasterShrekweird09:00
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winbondHobbsee, gnash is so broken it wont play anything09:00
MasterShrekorg_, fix your xorg.conf again, kill your gdm, and run startx as your user and see if it does it09:01
winbondMasterShrek, flash has been crashing for ever as far as i can remember using linux09:01
WGGMkorg_: what gcard do you have? laptop or desktop?09:01
org_MasterShrek, it does the same man....09:01
org_desktop09:01
MasterShrekflash runs just fine for me, and in 32 bit it runs really nice09:01
WGGMkyea im using amd64 gusty and adobe flash from restricted drivers and its smooth09:02
WGGMkorg_: what gcard do you have?09:02
org_gcard? whats that sorry09:03
org_xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration09:03
org_   file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.2007100610024009:03
WGGMkorg: Graphic Card.. and is it AGP / PCI / PCIe?09:03
MasterShrekpciE i think the 7300 is09:03
WGGMkorg_: did you CHMOD that NVIDIA packagte?09:03
org_WGGMk, yep09:04
org_WGGMk, did it get installed?09:04
org_now i changed xorg.conf to that. http://pastebin.com/md5f0be09:04
org_and look, if i restart X now, it'll go back to the pervious xorg.conf where it say "Device"    "nv" :)09:04
org_WGGMk, my vga is 7300 GS, i think PCI09:05
WGGMkorg_: delete that packages.. redownload the package.. DO NOT CHANGE the ownership09:06
org_what packages09:06
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WGGMkorg_: the nvidia driver.. the installer.. redownload it (after you deleted the old one) and reinstall them.. using sudo09:06
org_the packages i installed about nvidia from synaptic you mean, yes?09:07
WGGMkorg_: dont change the owner ship.. leave it as is.. make sure your on the sudo list.. IE: sudo visudo... look for your name.. if your nto there copy the root (with your name instead)09:07
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blekoshello09:07
WGGMkorg_: the nvidia packages.. go to the nvidia site.. redownload the drivers.. dont use the CHMOD'ed package09:08
blekosguys i really need ur help. last night i did and update. The new kernel 2.6.22-13 was installed. One I try to boot from that kernel09:08
blekosi get the message kinit no resume image09:08
org_WGGMk, ok09:08
blekosbut when i boot from -12 everythings seems 2 work fine09:08
org_WGGMk, how do i uninstall the first package i downloaded?09:08
WGGMkblekos: try and keep your questions to 1-2 lines09:08
blekosok09:08
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WGGMkorg_: its not installed.. and if it is.. when you install the new package.. it will notify you and ask you to uninstall it09:09
org_WGGMk, ok i deleted & redownloaded09:09
MasterShrekorg_, try this xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39742/09:09
WGGMkblekos: the -13 kernel was just intro'ed today.. i would recommend using the -12 kernel09:09
org_MasterShrek, you want me to try this xorg.conf?09:09
MasterShrekyes09:10
org_MasterShrek, can y ou put it in pastebin pls?09:10
org_ubuntu paste = it copy numbers09:10
blekosi c, do u thing is has to do with UUID?09:10
MasterShrekoh, aight one sec09:10
WGGMkorg_: kill X and reinstall the nvidia drivers using the "sudo " command09:10
blekosthe thing is i've changed everything (i think) of my uuid to /dev/sdax09:10
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MasterShrekhttp://pastebin.com/m2325f744 org_09:10
WGGMkblekos: im not too familiar with /dev/sdax09:11
org_ok MasterShrek done, i got it in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf now09:11
org_MasterShrek, but it will change ;)09:11
org_WGGMk, sudo ./NVIDIA.....etc?09:11
WGGMkorg_: no..09:11
MasterShrekblekos, that shouldnt have anything to do with it, unless you physically move the drives, or switch cables09:12
MasterShrekorg_, that should work09:12
WGGMkorg_: just kill x and "sudo sh NVIDIA-whater.pkg.sh"09:12
MasterShrekits a .run09:12
org_WGGMk, its .run09:12
MasterShrekyou have to chmod it because its not executable when you download it09:12
blekoswell, it has to do, I have a laptop and UUID has changed about 3 times, depending on the updates/upgrades of (k)ubuntu09:12
WGGMkorg_: yea.. sorry lol its late here09:12
org_WGGMk, okay, so no chmod right?09:13
WGGMkorg_: NO.. just use sudo (it gives you temporary admin/root rights)09:13
MasterShrekblekos, thats probably true, but i got rid of all the uuids in my fstab and im using just the device names, runs fine09:13
WGGMkorg_: you want to install that .run package as 'root'09:13
MasterShrekWGGMk, the file isnt executable, no matter what user he is09:13
org_WGGMk, okay.. after that i do "reboot" or just "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" ??09:13
MasterShrekorg_, you can just start gdm09:13
blekoshttp://wolfger.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/ubuntu-and-uuid/09:14
WGGMkorg_: DONT reboot09:14
org_ok09:14
org_that what i did last time09:14
MasterShrekorg_, that sholdnt matter09:14
WGGMkorg_: you need to keep that nvidia module running..s o no reboot09:14
MasterShrekits installed, its not going anywhere09:14
org_it changed xorg.conf and the stupid window poped up saying "Ubuntu is running in low graphic mode"09:14
org_then it changed my xorg.conf09:14
MasterShrekWGGMk, the module wont even be running until he starts x09:14
org_ok09:14
org_ill try it now09:14
org_brb09:14
WGGMkMasterShrek: i know.. but rebooting can screw it up.. he needs to tell the system to modprove nvidia09:15
blekosi've got rid off them as well but kernel .13 wont like it09:15
blekosi've even changed my resume09:15
MasterShrekif he didnt compile it as root before, thats his problem, im sure the nvidia drivers support this card09:15
WGGMkMasterShrek: thats what im saying.. you told him to CHMOD the pacakge.. he shouldnt have done that09:15
MasterShrekblekos, well i noticed that even ide drives come up as sd.. not hd.. anymore, which is very strange09:16
MasterShrekWGGMk, it needs to be chmod'ed because it wont be executable by anyone when he downloads it09:16
MasterShrek644 or something09:16
WGGMkMasterShrek: no it doesnt09:16
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WGGMksudo sh NVIDIA will run the install like ./install.sh09:16
org_hey back, its me from console (Full terminal)09:17
org_when i ran "sudo sh NVIDIA....etc"09:17
org_it said "There is already a version of nvidia installed, (Version) Are you sure you want to continue?"09:17
MasterShrekyes continue org_09:17
org_It might overwirite, so i came to ask.09:17
WGGMkorg_: and?>09:17
org_ok but I just thought since i already got it installed, that won't fix the problem09:17
org_i'll get this window pop that ubuntu is running in low graphic09:18
org_and it'll change my xorg again09:18
org_wait, i'll give it a try then start gdm09:18
org_and come from xchat09:18
org_brb09:18
blekosok, i do a dist upgrade and i have a package held-back, why is that?09:18
WGGMkorg_: run from terminal "sudo lsmod" and post pastebin09:18
WGGMkblekos: it probably depends on something you dont have09:19
FossZombieblekos, what package is it09:19
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blekoslinux-restricted-modules-generic09:19
blekos!!!09:19
paxblekos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56836109:19
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WGGMkorg_: run from terminal "sudo lsmod" and post pastebin09:21
org_ok09:21
org_http://pastebin.com/m53d418be09:21
org_let me know if that means my driver is installed or not ok09:21
MasterShrekits not org_09:22
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blekospax, that explains a lot09:22
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MasterShrekorg_, run this in a terminal: locate nvidia.ko09:22
WGGMkMasterShrek: why the hell isnt it loading his nvidia module09:22
org_MasterShrek, but funny thin is. the xorg.conf didn't change this time09:23
MasterShrek?09:23
org_MasterShrek, + I didn't get this weird resulotion :)09:23
blekosbut one thing is that i do not get... is it necessary for a kernel to function to have the linux-restricted-modules-generic installed?09:23
org_MasterShrek, and the window that says ubuntu is running in low graphic, didnt shows.09:23
NTAuthorityblekos: nope, it only has some drivers09:23
MasterShrekorg_, thats good news09:23
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WGGMkorg_: do you have an ssh account by chance?09:23
NTAuthorityblekos: which you probably need with specific hardware09:23
org_yea but i still can't play games + I still feel that colors can be better09:23
Linux_Galorehmm Kubuntu seems to not have a simple UI tool to setup scanners, Im manually editing my sane settings09:23
org_WGGMk, I can make one09:24
MasterShrekorg_, see if these two commands give you any output: lsmod | grep nvidia09:24
WGGMkorg_: please do.. id like to poke around09:24
MasterShrekand this: locate nvidia.ko09:24
NTAuthorityLinux_Galore: kcontrol has an scanner config, didn't it? (no, not the normal kubuntu config panel :( )09:24
WGGMkorg_: yea try those..09:24
org_MasterShrek, none of them both gave any results.09:24
blekosbut then, i shouldnt get the message of not finding a suitable resume image09:24
MasterShrekorg_, that means you dont have your nvidia driver correctly installed09:24
Linux_GaloreNTAuthority: not good, a newbie would look in the setting window first09:25
MasterShrekorg_, did you get any errors during the install?09:25
org_MasterShrek, nop, not any error09:25
NTAuthorityLinux_Galore: the kubuntu settings panel does not have many important settings which the normal kcontrol does have :(09:25
MasterShrekorg_, whats the filename of the nvidia driver you are using?09:25
org_MasterShrek, it downloaded the kernel module and stuff, then ftp to website & downloading things.. after that it asked me to ganarate an xorg.conf and i said no, because you gave me one.09:25
org_MasterShrek, then thats it, I started gdm and it logged to X really cool for the first time no errors.09:26
org_but thing is. i still can't play games or The colors arent good enough.. not like back when i was in feisty u know09:26
MasterShrekorg_, you are going to have to do the install again, dont download one from the internet and make it compile the module itself09:26
Linux_GaloreNTAuthority: Im also finding many of the settings tools dont interact with services properly forcing the user to go back and do the bloody obvious and start it09:26
org_MasterShrek, I made it compile the module by itself.. i didnt touch it the last time09:26
MasterShrekok, didnt u just say it ftp'd the website and downloaded stuff?09:27
WGGMkorg_: run this sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)09:27
MasterShrekWGGMk, i was just about to suggest that09:27
MasterShrek=P09:27
WGGMkgreat minds think alike09:27
org_i done that09:27
org_0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.09:27
MasterShrekguess so09:27
MasterShrekhmm09:27
org_i done that long ago... i readed up some pages in google about these problems09:28
MasterShrekorg_, whats the filename of that nvidia driver you are installing?09:28
Linux_GaloreIm finding it very hard to actually use Kubuntu without swapping back to my geek habbit of using a terminal, sigh09:28
WGGMkorg_: the FULL file name09:28
org_NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run09:28
org_that?09:28
WGGMkorg_: what proc you have?09:28
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MasterShrekok org_ just making sure09:28
org_proc?09:28
WGGMkorg_ x86 or amd64?09:28
org_x86 i have09:28
WGGMkorg_: k09:28
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hype_Hmm, still no linux-resticted-modules today?!09:29
org_hype_, no..09:29
MasterShrekLinux_Galore, that little menu button, to the right of the spacebar, i got it mapped to konsole =P09:29
sylpheedClawsI'm having an issue with the installer crashing at 86% (and I suspect I'm not the only one)09:29
sylpheedClawshas this been fixed?09:29
MasterShrekwhat gives you that idea sylpheedClaws09:29
sylpheedClawsI heard someone mention it on Digg09:29
org_sylpheedClaws, you are the only!09:29
MasterShrekic09:30
NTAuthority(one thing which i find weird, the gutsy beta desktop cd does not start the gnome settings daemon on an old 845 onboard graphics system, but DOES have compiz, or something that looks like it :|)09:30
sylpheedClawsit freezes when it tries to download the language packs09:30
WGGMkMasterShreak: uname -r which nvidia drivers? ubuntu or nvidia site?09:30
sylpheedClawsI can abort it, but the install stops completely at 86%09:30
MasterShreksylpheedClaws, take it offline and then try installing, do upgrades after reboot09:30
org_WGGMk, i created acc. for you.. did you see the pass? I sent you a notice09:30
org_but appartnly i can't send privates. because i'm not registered09:31
org_sec.09:31
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sylpheedClawsI'll try that, thanks09:31
sylpheedClawsand by the way, there's been a bug filed about it on Launchpad09:31
Linux_GaloreMasterShrek: I use yakuake mapped to F1209:31
sylpheedClaws9 hours ago09:31
sylpheedClawshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/14962909:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149629 in ubuntu "Installation stops while languagepacks are downloaded" [Undecided,New] 09:31
MasterShrek!info yakuake09:31
WGGMkorg_: no i didnt... you have AIM?09:31
ubotuyakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 167 kB, installed size 1048 kB09:31
Linux_GaloreMasterShrek: nicest term on Kubuntu09:31
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MasterShrekwhys that?09:32
org_WGGMk, i have msn09:32
WGGMkorg_: snd me the IP09:32
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Linux_GaloreMasterShrek: well it runs in the background but when you hit f12 a terminal slides down from the top of the screen09:32
MasterShrekill take a look for you too if u want org_09:32
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MasterShrekLinux_Galore, ill take a look...09:32
SontaxhIs this the channel for the beta ?09:32
org_WGGMk, you got the user & pass?09:32
Sontaxhi got an driver problem09:33
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Sh4wnHi09:33
org_MasterShrek, thanks.09:33
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Sontaxhi just updated my kernel (i have an 7300go) and it wont boot at my normal resolution 1280x80009:33
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sylpheedClaws!info 915resolution09:34
Blackgothrecompile the nvidia driver module Sontaxh09:34
ubotu915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)09:34
Linux_GaloreMasterShrek: when I was showing Linux of at Cebit everyone loved Yakuake when I used it, its one of those apps you would have expected apple to have designed09:34
Sh4wnAfter today's upgrades, I can't boot anymore, while booting, it says it can't detect my Graphics card and Screen properly, and asks if I want to run in Low Graphics Mode. But Then It blinks 3 times, and shows the dialog again.09:34
vmlinuz`MasterShrek, I have load "glx" in my xorg.conf right? but why the games give me this error. err:wgl:X11DRV_wglGetProcAddress No libGL on this box - disabling OpenGL support09:35
Sh4wnso I press the shutdown button, and then I get the text mode only root shell.09:35
Linux_GaloreSh4wn: graphics card ?09:35
Sh4wnLinux_Galore yes09:35
Sh4wnoh09:35
Linux_GaloreSh4wn: whats is it09:35
Sh4wnnvidia 8600GT09:35
WGGMkorg_: i got the user name and password but i need your IP address to connect09:35
Sh4wnand yes09:35
MasterShrekLinux_Galore, thats cool!09:35
WGGMkorg_: and if your behind a router.. you need to forward port 2209:35
Sh4wnI've got the drivers09:35
alecwhHello! I have the beta, and I'm connected to my network. I can download packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access any websites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers working fine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping the website I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, it DOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help?09:36
vmlinuz`Sh4wn, same as me.09:36
MasterShrekvmlinuz`, yea your behind a router09:36
vmlinuz`Sh4wn, thats my problem today... whole day. It's from the kernel09:36
vmlinuz`MasterShrek, yeah09:36
Sh4wnyeah think so too09:36
vmlinuz`WGGMk, ok wait09:36
vmlinuz`WGGMk, this is my nick now, use it so i hilight lol wait09:36
Linux_GaloreSh4wn: ok just change the nvidia driver on /etc/x11/xorg.conf  to "nv" and it will work then you can fix it in a gui09:36
Sh4wnok I'll try09:36
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vmlinuz`MasterShrek & WGGMk .. try now09:37
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Linux_GaloreSh4wn:   vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf   hit i to edit the file, go down to the driver section, change nvidia to "nv"  then press   esc  then type :wq09:38
Linux_GaloreSh4wn: now type startx09:38
WGGMkvmlinuz: i dont have your IP address09:38
Sh4wnLinux_Galore ok thanks09:40
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PumpkinPositiveDoes anyone know what version of ntfs-3g is going to ship with 7.10?09:40
Linux_GaloreSh4wn: that will use the built in free nvidia driver09:40
Linux_GalorePumpkinPositive: well its installed as I type this and i didnt ask for it lol09:41
alecwhHello! I have the beta, and I'm connected to my network. I can download packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access any websites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers working fine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping the website I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, it DOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help?+09:41
LilacorPumpkinPositive: why? does the next version of ntfs-3g have some bugfix you need?09:42
Linux_Galorehmm no scanner tool in Kcontrol09:42
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Lilacoralecwh: do your connections timeout when trying to access websites?09:43
PumpkinPositiveI'm on 7.04 at the moment, and the version is 1.328 - I've been having high CPU usage issues when dealing with large files...  Something the FAQ on the ntfs-3g website is sorted out with a later version of ntfs-3g.09:43
Linux_Galorealecwh: beta of Kubuntu or Ubuntu ?09:43
alecwhLilacor: Yes. Linux_Galore: ubuntu09:43
LilacorPumpkinPositive: I see.09:43
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alecwhLilacor: Actually, it's like it 'half loads" and that's it.09:43
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schrederare libghc6* packages outdated?09:44
Lilacoralecwh: wireless or wired?09:44
alecwhLilacor: I've tried epiphany too. wired.09:44
schrederI get dependency errors saying that they require ghc < 6.6 and I got 6.6.109:44
MatirPumpkinPositive, gutsy currently has 1.71009:44
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Lilacoralecwh: using NAT I'm assuming....09:45
Linux_Galorealecwh: well in Kubuntu I had the same problem I just went into the network tool and disabled then enabled the network connection that fixed it, then I went into the settings in the same section and made sure "automatically connect" was turned on09:45
PumpkinPositiveGreat, thanks Matir09:45
MatirPumpkinPositive, np09:45
Lilacoralecwh: do you have more than one connection active?09:45
alecwhLilacor: I'm not sure what NAT is. But I have a DSL modem. Linux_Galore: Ok. I'm actually switching ethernet cables between this computer and my laptop...09:45
alecwhLilacor: No, my wireless card isn't working yet.09:46
alecwhAnd I can access the internet, it's just seems like domains get messed up09:46
Linux_Galorealecwh: thats because I suspect the user is locked out09:47
Lilacoralecwh: what if you shut off the other computers that are working and try on this box, does it work?09:47
Linux_Galorealecwh: bet if you do sudo nslookup www.google.com   it works09:47
alecwhLilacor: I only have one computer connected, this one. I'm switching the ethernet cble betweein the too.09:47
SontaxhLinux_Galore please answer my pm09:48
alecwhLilacor, and Linux_Galore, I'm going to try that. I'll join back in a few minutes. Thanks. :)09:48
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: I dont do PM09:48
Sontaxhi have the same problem as sh4wn09:48
Sontaxhim in that file now09:48
SontaxhBut what do i need to change ?09:48
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: ok  the driver line change ti from "nvidia" to "nv"09:49
Linux_Galoreit*09:49
SontaxhThere is a line Driver    "nvidia"09:49
SontaxhChange that 1 ?09:49
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: look for Driver      "nvidia"  and change it to  Driver          "nv"09:49
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org_back09:50
org_MasterShrek, I'm back from -12-generic09:50
MasterShrekok org_ did you try to install the driver?09:50
org_nop09:50
org_do I allow it to create xorg.conf for me?09:51
wersI just upgraded to the latest kernel and on that kernel, my Ralink RT2500 does not work. any ideas on how to make this work?09:51
WGGMkyes09:51
org_WGGMk, you here man09:51
MasterShrekorg_, you dont have to, your xorg should be set up already09:51
SontaxhHow do i save it than ?09:51
org_MasterShrek, setup? I thought you said its back to "nv"09:51
WGGMkorg_: yea.. allow it to up09:51
Linux_GaloreSontaxh:   you in vim ?09:51
Sontaxhya09:51
Sontaxhi changed the line09:52
hype_woot, restricted modules seem there :)09:52
Linux_GaloreSontaxh:  press the esc  key then type  :wq09:52
Sontaxhnothing happens ?09:52
MasterShrekorg_, it is using nv09:52
org_I'm worried about something tho when i got back to -12-generic09:52
MasterShrekwhats that org_ ?09:52
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: then you didnt press the right keys.  press esc  then type   :  w  q09:52
org_before i u sed to have Kubuntu splash screen on startup. then i deleted it completly from my PC & Removed it from options, and my splash now is another pic. when i changed kernel option to -12 as you told me, the kubuntu splash appears again, hows that and its not even in the computer?09:53
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: bet to you didnt type  sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:53
compwiz18is anyone else having issues with the gnome system monitor applet?  for me, it randomly freezes, and the wifi connection dies with it (or vice versa).  Any suggestions?09:53
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: the file is a system file so you need to use the sudo admin switch09:53
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: type esc  :q!09:54
Sontaxho oke09:54
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Sontaxho for get that09:54
org_dont let a newbie use vim :P09:54
org_let him use nano!!09:54
MasterShrekheh09:54
Blackgothdont let a newbie use a beta release. ever.09:54
Linux_Galorelol, I wouldnt know how to use nano09:54
org_MasterShrek, ill go to console, kill X09:54
org_and "sh NVIDIA file"09:55
org_then come back?09:55
MasterShrekok org_09:55
org_brb09:55
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: same as before but use sudo  vim /etc....09:55
BlackgothSontaxh: just copy paste this: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:55
Linux_GaloreBlackgoth: eeer he is in a terminal ?09:56
SontaxhThan the xorg file is empty ?09:56
Blackgothyes in a terminal09:56
BlackgothSontaxh: the xorg file is empty?09:56
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Sontaxhmet sudo ja09:56
Blackgothplease use english in this channel.09:57
Linux_GaloreBlackgoth:  so he is in a terminal with no mouse and X isnt running and you want him to cut and past09:57
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Linux_Galoreheh09:57
alecw1Hello! I just recently joined, and I restarted my PC. Linux_Galore, that command you gave me worked!09:57
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org_MasterShrek: it gives error now09:57
org_im in console atm with irssi09:57
BlackgothLinux_Galore: copy paste, type after me, who cares. #ubuntu-offtopic for that09:57
alecw1Linux_Galore: But it only works for google, I still have problems with every other site. I tried restarting the connection and the modem, no success.09:57
MasterShrekgood news org_ thats progress =D09:57
WGGMkorg_: dont do anything right now ok09:57
org_MasterShrek: lets join both a screen so u can see what i see. i remember thats possible somehow09:57
SontaxhOk im in sudo vim now09:57
org_WGGMk: why09:58
Linux_Galorealecw1: yeah, but now you dont have 3D09:58
alecw13D?09:58
hype_org_ , screen -x09:58
org_hype_: yea thanks09:58
WGGMkim gonna take a look09:58
BlackgothSontaxh: do you have the xorg file opened?09:58
org_MasterShrek: do screen -x09:58
hype_:)09:58
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: now press i09:58
SontaxhYa09:58
MasterShrekorg_, you need your kernel sources09:58
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: go to the same line and change it to nv09:58
hype_restricted-module are here :D09:58
MasterShrekorg_, for -12 i guess09:58
hype_woot !09:58
alecw1Linux_Galore: 3D?09:58
org_MasterShrek: k09:58
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Sontaxhgot that09:58
WGGMkorg_: yea.. let MasterShrek do it.. my internet is acting up09:58
Linux_Galorealecw1: no games but everything else will work fine ie video web pages etc09:59
WGGMkgnite all..09:59
BlackgothSontaxh: okay, are you in insert mode?09:59
alecw1Linux_Galore, I stil have the problem then. :(09:59
org_MasterShrek: can u join a screen with me and show me how,, ill do sudo for u.. im rly tired all night in this same story09:59
org_WGGMk: gnite09:59
Sontaxhya i just typed nv in the driver line09:59
alecw1I'm going to ask again.09:59
Blackgothok09:59
WGGMk*is now dreaming of linux-restricted-manager for 2.6.22-13*09:59
Blackgothpress esc09:59
MasterShrekorg_, im not sure how to do that09:59
Linux_Galorealecw1: yes I just gave you a hack around so you can use the GUI to fix the problems09:59
Blackgoththen press :w09:59
hype_org_ , issue with nvidia driivers?09:59
Blackgothand :q10:00
org_hype_: yes10:00
hype_just re-updates, linux-restricted-modules are NOW available10:00
Linux_Galoreactually just type   esc  :wq10:00
org_really?\10:00
org_hype_: since when10:00
hype_yeah10:00
org_i checked 3mins ago10:00
WGGMkhype_: your shitting me10:00
alecw1Hello! I have the beta of Gusy Gibbn, and I'm connected to my network. I candownload packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access anywebsites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers workingfine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping thewebsite I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, itDOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help? Also, my sound isn't working... I've got no 10:00
hype_they just werent available the last couple of hours10:00
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hype_i'm installing it atm10:00
Sontaxhso i need to typ10:00
org_hm10:00
Sontaxhesc :wq10:00
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Sontaxh?10:00
hype_WGGMk :)10:00
org_hype_: you sure? cuz im in Terminal right now10:00
WGGMkhype_: for 2.6.22-13?10:00
Linux_GaloreSontaxh:  type [esc]     :  w  q10:01
org_dont let me go to X and then its not available10:01
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: then hit enter10:01
hype_i tested  1 hpurs ago, trying since yesterday: download started :)10:01
MasterShrekorg_, you can install from terminal10:01
hype_WGGMk , yeah ;)10:01
MasterShrekmaybe...10:01
org_MasterShrek: how10:01
WGGMkbrb.. gonna try and grab them10:01
hype_it was just temporary to break our X so to test bulletproff X10:01
MasterShrekactually i dont know org_ with the restricted driver, how its installed, through apt?10:01
Sontaxhk rebooting now10:01
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Linux_GaloreSontaxh: just type startx10:01
org_MasterShrek: ill go to X10:01
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: dont have to reboot10:01
org_since i'm not doing anything from here10:01
MasterShrekorg_, you should boot back into -13 first10:02
org_MasterShrek: Okay10:02
org_i'll boot10:02
org_brb10:02
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Linux_Galoreheh @ all the newbies now using Gutsy10:03
Sontaxhi still cant get my resolution higher than 1024x76810:03
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MasterShrekSontaxh, nvidia?10:04
Linux_GaloreSontaxh: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  you can set your optional resolution settings10:04
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org_hype_, lier10:04
hype_Paramtrage de linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic (2.6.22.4-13.6) ...10:04
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hype_org_10:04
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majnoonok one thing i was wondering ,is the reason dpkg and etc. take so long it does ldconfig a lot ??10:04
hype_thats ht output of my update manager at this moment10:05
MasterShrekmajnoon, usually at the end it does ldconfig10:05
WGGMkhype_: from synaptic "linux-restricted-modules-generic:10:05
WGGMk Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable10:05
WGGMk"10:05
hype_WGGMk , what server do you use?10:05
org_from version 2.6.22.12.17 to 2.6.22.13.18 (Size 24KB) Not available.10:05
majnooni'm doing the upgrade now10:05
org_and thats my update manager10:05
WGGMkhype_: for repo's?10:05
org_and its Grey10:05
org_i can't click on it10:05
hype_i use main server, i downloaded it? (want a screenshot? no i dont see any interest in lying; im wait for this too since yesterday)10:06
BlackgothSontaxh: are you in x now?10:06
hype_WGGMk , well, yeah10:06
MasterShrekorg_, you probably need to use different mirrors or wait a little bit10:06
alecw1Hello! I have the beta of Gusy Gibbn, and I'm connected to my network. I candownload packages, and install things (apt-get), but I can't access anywebsites or IM networks. I've got 2 other fiesty computers workingfine, and my /etc/resolv.conf matches with all of them. If I ping thewebsite I want to access, get the IP, and put that into the browser, itDOES work. But domains don't. Can someone help? Also, my sound isn't working... I've got no 10:06
org_MasterShrek, ok10:06
org_hype_, pease man, give me ur mirror10:06
WGGMkhype_: the default install source list10:06
org_hype_, and how to change it10:06
Sontaxhya10:06
hype_org_ , you must NOT use mirror but main serv10:06
Linux_Galorealecw1: so the sudo nslookup www etc command worked ?10:07
Blackgothctrl + alt + backspace, have fun :)10:07
hype_all mirrosre delayed, or just wait a bit ;)10:07
org_hype_, why tho10:07
org_hype_, i want to use yours man10:07
alecw1Linux_Galore: Yes.10:07
BlackgothLinux_Galore: see, still in Xorg.10:07
hype_org_ , i use defaul us one10:07
org_hype_, then why its available for you. but not availble for me10:07
hype_i need to reboot, kernel updates an stuff10:07
org_sigh10:07
hype_did you update/upgrade?10:07
org_Me? yea10:07
Linux_Galorealecw1: that tells me your machine resolves fine your user account isnt connecting thats all10:07
alecw1Linux_Galore: How do I fix this?10:08
hype_org_ , if i use my french server, these updates are not yet avi; i have to select oriinal one (just use synpatic for that)10:08
alecw1Linux_Galore: The account I'm using is the one I created during setup.10:08
org_yay10:08
org_works for me now10:08
hype_ok10:08
hype_:=)10:08
org_including new nvidia-new-kernel10:08
hype_brb10:08
org_:)10:08
hype_so, i'm liar?10:08
org_hype_, No10:08
hype_who said that btw?10:08
hype_:] 10:08
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hype_bye10:08
Linux_Galorealecw1: you need to enable disable the connection in your users network manager then in the settings section make sure auto connect check box is marked then save it10:08
org_about time ubuntu!10:09
alecw1Linux_Galore: Ok. What do you mean in the "user's network manager", and in the "settings section"?10:09
WGGMkwhat the hell happend?10:09
Linux_Galorealecw1: there should be a network applet in your taskbar10:09
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org_WGGMk, I'm installing new nvidia drivers & new kernel10:09
Linux_Galorealecw1: both gnome and kde have one10:10
WGGMkorg_: which new one?10:10
alecw1ok Linux_Galore10:10
Sontaxhargh it's still not working10:10
org_2.6.22.13.1810:10
Sontaxhis it possable to get back to stable version ?10:10
alecw1 Linux_Galore: enable/disable?10:10
BlackgothSontaxh: did you restart x?10:10
alecw1It's enabled right now, Linux_Galore.10:10
Linux_Galorealecw1: disable it10:10
org_Sontaxh, haha, I thought about that... but couldnt.10:10
Linux_Galorealecw1: then enable it10:10
Linux_Galorealecw1: open a browser and bet it works10:11
alecw1ok, now what? Linux_Galore10:11
alecw1ok, i have to test.10:11
alecw1one sec.10:11
org_Sontaxh, did you download the new linux-restricted-modules-generic from the Update manager??? have you checked your updates yet.10:11
alecw1wait, Linux_Galore, you said something about checking something?10:11
Sontaxhi cant get wireless working on it10:11
Blackgothwhy would anyone even use the nvidia restricted drivers, just download them from the nvidia site.10:11
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SontaxhI dont care about installing again or losing files i just wanna go back to stable10:12
WGGMkoh sweet jesus.. they are available10:12
BlackgothSontaxh: again, did you restart X10:12
org_WGGMk, yes they are10:12
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Linux_Galorealecw1: well the reason why you can resolve as root (sudo) with nslookup is because your system is working fine, the proble, is when the user desktop starts the auto connect isnt turned on so by default the user doesnt have net access10:12
MasterShrekSontaxh, what kind of wireless card do you have?10:12
org_hype_, tell me, is video card working good?10:12
SontaxhHow ? i just rebooted laptop10:12
WGGMkorg_: yea i just ran update manager again10:12
Linux_Galorealecw1: problem*10:12
hype_well, i'm a liar, watch out !10:12
hype_it works10:12
alecw1linux_galore: how do I enable the auto connect for my user?10:13
SontaxhIntel abg10:13
org_hype_, good :)10:13
alecw1and Linux_Galore, I CAN access the internet by the IP address...10:13
MasterShrekSontaxh, you probably just need firmware for that, probably very easy10:13
hype_alecw1 , systeme > admin > login window10:13
org_hype_, games runs ok.. or does it still say "You dont have libgl"10:13
BlackgothSontaxh: okay, to make this simple, just download the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website, works faster.10:13
WGGMkhype_: i think it was just poor timing.. my ISP might night have updated.. could have cache'd my results..10:13
hype_org_ , i use a real graphic card, never had that problem (Nvidia 7600T)10:13
MasterShrekalecw1, sounds like a dns issue, but i could be wrong, im not a networker :)10:13
Linux_Galorealecw1: not sure about gnome desktop but I usually left click on the network applet tool then Manual Config then10:13
hype_yeah, always treat people liars before checking10:14
hype_ood idea ;)10:14
Blackgothnow im off, need to wreck out a bathtub10:14
org_hype_, I use real graphic card too.. Nvida 7500 GS10:14
Linux_GaloreMasterShrek: sudo nslookup www.google.com works10:14
alecw1hype_:  why did I go there?10:14
org_hype_, but i got that problem cause of the restricted modules before..10:14
org_alecw1, you go there to enable auto-user connect? lol10:14
hype_well it works here on a 7600GT10:14
alecw1org_: I don't see an option.10:14
alecw1Linux_Galore: I'm there, now what?10:14
hype_if your card is supposed o be supported, it works man10:14
Sontaxheverything except the resolution is working on 22 kernel10:14
org_alecw1, underneath "Security" TAB10:15
org_alecw1, maybe you just don't look around10:15
Linux_Galorealecw1: well when I click on the working Eth connection a Configure Interface  option is enabled,  its in that section10:15
alecw1org_: I see "automatic login" :P10:16
org_ok10:16
org_brb10:16
org_rebooting10:16
nemikdid 2.6.22.13 break other people's wifi too?10:16
alecw1Linux_Galore: Ok, but remember this is an ethernet conn10:16
Sontaxhnemik ya here10:17
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alecw1Linux_Galore: I don't see "auto-connect" in that menu. I see: "Enable roaming mode", and then connection settings (IP address, subnet mask, gateway address, and static/DHCP.10:17
Linux_Galorealecw1: as I said your machines network is working fine its just your users network ability doesnt automatically enable10:17
Linux_Galorealecw1: might be roaming mode, not so sure about the gnome layout10:18
alecw1linux_galore: It's checked.10:18
alecw1and has been10:18
nemikSontaxh: is the cause known? or expected fix?10:18
Linux_Galorealecw1: check it and uncheck it that will force the machine to resave the settings10:18
pvandewyngaerdenew kernel10:19
Linux_Galorealecw1: sorry unchech and check it oops10:19
alecw1Linux_Galore: I have to try it with my modem, i'll come back in a sec10:19
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org_Back!10:19
org_MasterShrek, I think its working... hmm can i post lsmod for you10:19
org_MasterShrek, check, http://pastebin.com/m77c2425c10:20
Sontaxhi dont know im running older kernel now now i my resolution broken i cant get any higher than 1024x76910:20
org_Sontaxh, try "Manager update" please10:21
org_i highly recommend it. it'll fix everything10:21
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Sontaxhk it is downloading now10:23
bazhangthanks for the help everyone!10:23
MasterShrekorg_, yep10:25
MasterShrekorg_, lsmod | grep nvidia10:25
org_nvidia               6221648  4410:25
org_i2c_core               26112  1 nvidia10:25
org_agpgart                35016  2 nvidia,intel_agp10:25
MasterShrekthat would be it10:26
org_yay10:26
Sh4wnWoot, I've got my system booting again, thanks Linux_Galore10:26
bazhangyes!10:27
Linux_Galore:-)10:27
Sh4wnLet's wait for the restricted modules, and then my nice visual effects are back xD10:27
AmaranthSh4wn: that'll be monday10:28
AmaranthSh4wn: boot the -12 kernel10:28
Sh4wnWell, I can live 2 days without visual effects10:28
hype_Sh4wn , they are here ! :p10:28
hype_just update from main server :D10:29
AmaranthI dunno if I could go 2 days with the sadness that is the nv driver10:29
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Sh4wnhype_ oh, let's try then :P10:29
alecwhHello, Linux_Galore! I did what you said, to no avail. :(10:29
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alecwhLinux_Galore:  Same problem.10:29
hype_Amaranth , direct rnzedering: Yes; uname -r10:29
hype_2.6.22-13-generic10:29
Amaranthoh, someone must have decided to work a saturday10:29
hype_:D10:29
hype_hh10:29
hype_seems like it :)10:29
Amaranthhype_: I've had that for hours :P10:30
Amaranth(i built the package myself)10:30
hype_hh :>10:30
Linux_Galorealecwh: does the browser work when you run it with root ie  sudo firefox10:30
hype_you're pro man :)10:30
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alecwhLinux_Galore:  I'll have to check. :P10:30
alecwhLinux_Galore: brb10:30
hype_Linux_Galore , not asdvised, at all10:30
hype_it works, but DONT do it10:30
Linux_Galoreno but Im testing for a permissions bug10:30
alecwhhype_:  why not? WE're just debugging.10:30
alecwhbrb10:30
hype_ok sorry :)10:30
pvandewyngaerdecan i change my keyboard in  grub to dvorak ??10:31
pvandewyngaerdenvm, found it http://www.dakotacom.net/~donut/programs/grubdvorak/grub-dvorak.lst10:31
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Amaranthalecwh: Don't go to any website except google.com10:32
Amaranthalecwh: While running as root10:32
Linux_Galorenow click on  www.root-my-system.com.ru  heh10:32
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masterlokihey10:34
hetaumais there any way I can check the changelock from the packages that are beeing updated?10:34
hetaumachangelog*10:34
masterlokiis anyone else having trouble logging in?10:34
Linux_Galoreits funny kubuntu has this weird bug were the user network connection now and again gets stuffed on updates but you can still get root access to the web10:34
bazhangyes10:34
masterlokibazhang, to which?10:34
bazhangtook me about five times.10:34
bazhangfreenode10:34
masterlokihad dmrc error here - changed a bunch of stuff10:34
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masterlokifinally realized that i had to stop compiz from running or something dunno10:34
masterlokiwas a wierd thing... something about setuid10:35
Linux_Galoremy problem is I dont know how to fix this on the gnome desktop but do in kde10:35
bazhangwow10:35
masterlokibazhang, yeah that happens now and then - their round robin is constantly under dns attack10:35
bazhangstay with kde (ducks..)10:35
masterlokiLinux_Galore, whats your problem10:35
bazhangI bet10:35
bazhangfree just bothers some people...10:35
Linux_Galoremasterloki: I dont have any10:35
masterloki<<-- databuddy on roomates compy10:35
masterlokiwith gnome?10:35
masterloki[01:35]  <Linux_Galore> my problem is I dont know how to fix this on the gnome desktop but do in kde10:36
masterloki[01:35]  <bazhang> wow10:36
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masterlokii know i know short memory ~_^10:36
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Linux_Galoremasterloki: I dont use Gnome thats my problem heh, ie helping a user with a gnome specific bug thats also seems to happen in kde10:36
bazhangnot my computer--irc10:36
alecwhHey Linux_Galore, same problem, no better.10:36
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Sh4wnhype_ got them :P Thanks, now I got my visual effects back, and a full working computer xD10:36
masterlokialecwh, what problem ?!!!!?!?!?!!!?!?!??????!!!10:36
hype_Sh4wn :] 10:37
Linux_Galorealecwh: so using the browser as root doesnt resolve ?10:37
hype_seems good indeed10:37
alecwhLinux_Galore: no.10:37
masterlokiOMG SH4WN WAT PROBLEM~10:37
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Linux_Galorealecwh: yep dns issue10:37
masterlokihehe10:37
alecwhbut that ns http://google.com ting worked.10:37
Linux_Galorealecwh: are you sure nslookup  worked10:38
Sh4wnmasterloki this morning I couldn't boot because of restricted modules nit being updated, and then it wouldn't recognize my graphics card and screen10:38
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alecwhLinux_Galore: I can check again, on a site I know is not working.10:38
masterlokinice10:38
alecwhone second.10:38
masterlokinothing like that good ol vesa driver10:38
masterloki:>10:38
Sh4wnxD10:38
Sh4wnvisual effects ftw10:38
masterlokimy compy worx ftw10:39
Sh4wnxD10:39
masterlokilemme see here....10:39
Linux_Galoregawd I hate the visa driver, I got stuck with it one time for two weeks due to a driver bug10:39
masterlokignome-panel &10:39
masterlokinautilus &10:39
masterlokiexec icewm10:39
masterlokithat right there is VERY useable Sh4wn10:39
masterlokiall the normal gnome stuff and icewm is very fast...10:39
Paddy_EIREcould anyone tell me how stable compiz-fusion is.. is it to the point where it doesnt crash at the sight of a flash video10:39
Linux_Galorebloody sis video chipset10:39
masterlokiits great on top a server install..10:39
Sh4wnWell, with my computer the visual effects are very fast too :P10:40
masterlokiLinux_Galore, nvidia 7300gs 512MB for the win10:40
Linux_GalorePaddy_EIRE: it isnt stable10:40
masterloki[on my roomates i.e. the one im typing on] 10:40
AmaranthPaddy_EIRE: never heard of that one10:40
Paddy_EIREAmaranth, ;)10:40
AmaranthPaddy_EIRE: intel 965?10:40
masterlokimine is just that gma 3000 - quite useable10:40
Paddy_EIREAmaranth, ati10:40
Linux_Galoremasterloki: sis 1mb ram running compiz lol10:40
Amaranthmasterloki: yours is blacklisted, it shouldn't even run10:40
Sh4wnGuys, I'm leaving, thanks for the help again :)10:40
Sh4wnAnd see ya when I see ya10:40
Linux_Galoremasterloki: refresh rate of  1fph10:41
Amaranthmasterloki: Did you make it override the checks?10:41
Linux_Galoreheh10:41
Amaranthmasterloki: This is very important, please answer.10:42
Linux_Galorebbl10:42
Amaranthnekostar? didn't we ban you? :P10:43
[neko] onMasterloAmaranth, no10:43
[neko] onMasterlowell rather10:43
[neko] onMasterloyes10:43
[neko] onMasterlobut im not banned any more10:43
[neko] onMasterlonor have been fewl10:43
[neko] onMasterlolol10:43
[neko] onMasterlowell for a good while look in logs via um10:44
[neko] onMasterloompaul10:44
[neko] onMasterloshorter logs might be ubuntu-ops10:44
Amaranth[neko] onMasterlo: Whatever, just answer the question please.10:44
[neko] onMasterloyes10:44
[neko] onMasterloand not anymroe10:44
[neko] onMasterlomore10:44
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AmaranthWe blacklisted your video card in compiz. It should not work unless you override it.10:44
AmaranthIs this the case?10:44
org_so now i'd say "I starting to love gutsy" :)10:44
[neko] onMasterlowhat??10:44
alecwhhey Linux_Galore! I've just done it again, and I'm SURE it works (nslookup_10:44
[neko] onMasterlook hold on um now im confused10:45
[neko] onMasterloi thought u meant ban as in DONT COME HERE lol10:45
org_damn how can a vga driver install make so much different in preformence as a whole.10:45
[neko] onMasterlowhich card?10:45
[neko] onMasterlothe nvidia or the intel gma10:45
Amaranth[neko] onMasterlo: gma 96510:45
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[neko] onMasterlono i have the 300010:45
Amaranththe x3000 _is_ the 96510:45
[neko] onMasterloand on my system its never stopped working10:45
alecwhLinux_Galore_: you there?10:46
[neko] onMasterloso yes i use gutsy and it works famously10:46
[neko] onMasterloneed some configs or logs or so?10:46
[neko] onMasterlocan ftp or w/e as nessisary10:46
[neko] onMasterlosorry was confuzzled - talking smack about vlc in another chan :D10:46
Amaranth[neko] onMasterlo: Can you paste the output of `lspci -vn | grep -i vga`?10:47
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[neko] onMasterloyeah lemme go to that... lemme ssh10:47
[neko] onMasterloactaully gimme 3 min i need nicoteen10:47
alecwh[neko] onMasterlo: a dangerous addiction.10:50
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databuddyok Amaranth im here sorry abuot that10:53
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databuddyyou want me to just paste to chan? or to ,,10:53
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databuddybtw using the intel driver atm but usually the i81010:54
databuddy<<--- nekostar10:54
rexy_gutsy base install is consistently failing for me. It is trying to generate initrd,img, but it cant due to missing modules, which makes sense because no package the base system fetches contains those?10:54
Amaranthok...10:54
databuddyi was on masterloki's compy - thats my roomate10:54
Amaranthdatabuddy: just paste here, it's one line10:54
masterlokihi10:54
databuddy00:02.0 0300: 8086:2972 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )10:54
masterlokithat's me10:54
databuddysup bro ^^10:54
masterlokinot much10:55
Amaranthhehe, 8086, intel is funny10:55
databuddyi have the d946gzis intel motherboard btw10:55
Amaranthdatabuddy: ok and lspci | grep -i vga10:55
databuddy00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)10:55
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org_what package do i need to enable identd service?10:55
savvasany comments for 2.6.22-13.40 ?10:55
Amaranthdatabuddy: hrm, wtf is that?10:55
savvas(the kernel image)10:56
databuddyAmaranth its the 946 express chipset10:56
Amaranthdatabuddy: when compiz is running does Xv work?10:56
databuddycheap arsed board10:56
databuddyxv? mm10:56
Amaranthdatabuddy: oh dude you have a 945, not a 96510:56
databuddyyawall10:56
Amaranthdatabuddy: so glad i didn't add your pciid to the blacklist, that's the one sabdfl has10:56
org_what package do i need to enable identd service?10:56
databuddyhttp://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D946GZIS/index.htm10:56
databuddyIntel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 (Intel GMA 3000) onboard graphics subsystem10:57
databuddyi'm real glad also sir!10:57
Amaranthhrm, wtf10:57
Amaranthdatabuddy: pastebin the output of xvinfo10:57
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databuddyhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39748/10:57
databuddyi'm doing overnighter so u got me for hours and hours <310:58
Amaranthdatabuddy: right then, blacklisted10:58
databuddyoh?10:58
Amaranthsoonish10:58
Amaranthprobably monday10:58
databuddydude.....10:58
databuddyits working fine...10:58
databuddyjust no shading or water10:58
Amaranthno it's not10:58
AmaranthXv video is completely broken10:58
databuddymemleak in emerald tho10:58
org_what package do i need to enable identd service? PLEASE10:58
databuddyso dont update any compiz stuff eh?10:58
Amaranthheh10:58
Amaranthwell, you can override the check if you like brokenness10:59
databuddyit can continue as is and i would be fine10:59
databuddyoooooooooo10:59
databuddyyeah xv is broken for vids10:59
Amaranthyeah10:59
databuddyi had to get the 32bit mplayer+faac from trevhino10:59
databuddyand that worx10:59
Amaranthand intel has no plans to fix it until EXA works10:59
databuddyexa?10:59
Amaranththat uses the video plugin, not Xv11:00
AmaranthEXA is the new Xorg acceleration architecture, a replacement for XAA11:00
AmaranthEXA might be ready in a year or so11:00
Amaranthso yeah...11:00
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databuddy~_~11:00
Amaranthactually the fix is to use EXA11:00
databuddyso what your telling me is to get that darn vid card11:00
Amaranthhehe11:00
databuddyi wanter how many watts the e-geforce 8400 takes11:01
databuddyits like 70 bucks at work11:01
Amaranthx3000 and x3100 have driver problems11:01
Amaranththey only do textured video instead of overlay and textured video only works if you don't use composite or use exa11:01
databuddyoic11:02
databuddyhm11:02
databuddyso lets say i keep letting those packages update11:02
databuddywill compiz quit working?11:02
AmaranthYou'll reboot and get metacity instead11:02
databuddyits not like i need it.... but its a lot of fun..11:02
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Amaranthdatabuddy: Then you'll want to go to http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist to figure out how to get around it :)11:03
databuddyok11:03
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databuddyoh thats not that bad11:04
databuddyone entery11:04
databuddyentry even11:04
johnnybobbybeehey folks -- just checking in. does anyone have compiz-tray-icon working in guysy. or is it still broken?11:04
pvandewyngaerdei read that opensuse improved their boot time a lot,  i hope gutsy will improve too11:04
databuddyjohnnybobbybee fusion-icon is the best11:04
databuddygoogle it and then click on tree and then on snapshot11:04
databuddydl and extract make && make install11:05
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hype_databuddy , !icon11:05
databuddy!icon11:05
johnnybobbybeedatabuddy oh? in the official repos?11:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about icon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:05
hype_oops do this on #compiz-fusion :)11:05
databuddyjust did11:05
MannyZwhat is the dir of sources.list?11:05
databuddyyeah i didnt do it that wya11:05
Amaranthfusion-icon is crap11:05
databuddygit doesnt work in this11:05
hype_MannyZ /etc/apt11:05
databuddybah - worx great...11:05
MannyZthankyou hylje11:05
MannyZhype_,11:06
hype_np11:06
databuddywhats crap is not having emerald themes in gutsy11:06
johnnybobbybeewell - what is the 'official' way to turn on/off compiz/fusion?11:06
databuddygotta use a mem leaky em themes from feisty ~_~11:06
masterlokiDatabuddy have to restart after updates stand by please11:06
databuddymasterloki yea ok11:06
hype_databuddy , i think themes are actually included in emerald11:06
MannyZhype_,  how i open it in terminal :D?11:06
databuddyhype_ you ever see a way to choose?11:06
Amaranthdatabuddy: fusion-icon duplicates what we already do11:06
databuddyits called emerald-theme-manager11:06
hype_MannyZ , sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list; tho you can edit your sources.list usin synaptic11:07
databuddyAmaranth ive yet to see an option to choose between the gnome and emerald on the fly11:07
MannyZthanks again :) hype_11:07
Amaranthdatabuddy: ah, we don't do that11:07
AmaranthI meant start compiz11:07
hype_databuddy , yeah, i actually use fusion-icon> emerald theme manager :p11:07
databuddyAmaranth thus emerald-theme11:07
databuddyAmaranth that part works great11:07
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Sontax`lapHey i still cant get my screen working at 1280x80011:07
databuddythe only reason i keep fusion-icon around is that other feature - like with the beryl-manager :>11:07
Amaranthdatabuddy: fusion-icon has it's own hardware detection stuff to start compiz, duplicates what we already do but does it differently11:08
hype_Amaranth , why isnt fusion-icon a dep of compiz-fusion?11:08
Amaranthhype_: it's not even packaged11:08
hype_or a recommended packae? well i mean included in repos :p11:08
databuddyAmaranth as long as you dont start from gnome-appearancethingie and only fusion-icon its not a big deal - otherwise things can get a little corrupted11:08
hype_yeah, but is it the only issue?i mean, if a packager decides to do so it will happen? or is there technical problems that prevent this?11:08
databuddyhype_ because tho it has emerald they dont have emerald-themes11:08
MannyZim in big trouble now -.-11:08
databuddyand therefore have no reason for it11:08
databuddythats why the 4 options in the appearance dialog11:09
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johnnybobbybeeis the compiz-tray-icon supported? is it getting fixed? or what's the official way to switch window managers?11:09
databuddyand if you notice ccsm is startable from there11:09
databuddywb masterloki11:09
hype_johnnybobbybee , fusion-icon11:09
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databuddythus my one and only major complaint about c-f+gutsy atm11:09
databuddy:P11:09
databuddysigh i really should be compiling gentoo rite now ~_~11:09
hype_johnnybobbybee , do !icon in #compiz-fusion :p11:09
masterlokidatabuddy11:09
databuddy[as secondary lol] 11:09
johnnybobbybeehype -- really? official? is there documentation?11:09
databuddymasterloki11:10
MannyZi updated to 7.10 and after restarting i couldndt get in.. because linux was ubuntu was using the xorg.conf.backup not xorg.conf... so now i changed to x.rog.conf.backup again and now the settings are going to the original one -.- .. my resolution is 600x800 :SS:S: help me!11:10
masterlokistill get that one error11:10
hype_johnnybobbybee , not packaged, but yeah its "oficial", and actually works great11:10
masterlokiabout the home dmrc file11:10
databuddyMannyZ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg11:10
databuddyat the end choose medium and the preferred resolution11:10
databuddydont worry about the login res11:10
pvandewyngaerdetry    ctrl  alt +   (plus)11:10
databuddyits funky like that11:10
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databuddypvandewyngaerde in the login screen for resolution changes?11:11
databuddy @_@11:11
johnnybobbybeehype_, cheers - just checked out #compiz-fusion11:11
hype_:)11:11
Amaranthhype_: There are technical problems that prevent fusion-icon from being packaged. The main one is it's crap.11:11
walcklo all :)11:11
Amaranthhype_: Plus we're 12 days from release...11:11
hype_Amaranth , haha ^^11:11
hype_Amaranth , yeah, thats easy to install anyway11:11
hype_Amaranth , but i'm sure you think its useless because you never switch back to metacity11:12
hype_:>11:12
Amaranthhype_: no need11:12
nekostarhttp://bayimg.com/OAhoMAABg http://bayimg.com/OAhOLaabG11:12
hype_(well, i dont anymore, since i dont play much games anymore tho)11:12
nekostarbtw Amaranth thats my latest screenies11:12
nekostarthanx to yall <333333333333311:12
MannyZdatabuddy: use kernel framebuffer device interface?11:12
hype_Amaranth , i et less fps ingame if compiz (or any composite manager is running11:13
walckstandby (suspend to RAM) has issues with my santarosa laptop in gutsy, worked fine in fiesty, sata controller seem to crash11:13
hype_get*11:13
nekostaroh and thats ranma in the vid btw :D11:13
majnoonit STILL going11:13
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majnooni started upgrade at midnight11:14
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masterlokihow can I keep from getting the message about the bluetooth RFcom to stop showing in my log11:15
masterlokiit's annoying11:15
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ratpoisonnew update broke my compiz - fusion! (xgl - fglrx ati x1950 user)11:15
MannyZwhats my key variant11:15
MannyZkeyboard variant11:16
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majnoonit sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow11:16
Amaranthnekostar: wow, overdoing it a bit there11:17
Amaranthhttp://www.realistanew.com/random/desktop20071006.png11:18
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luitvdhi11:18
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luitvdI'm having trouble doing a dist-upgrade11:19
masterloki how can I keep from getting the message about the bluetooth RFcom to stop showing in my log11:19
luitvdlibmono-corlib1.0-cil won't update11:19
nekostarAmaranth ?11:19
nekostaroh11:19
nekostaryeah hehe11:19
nekostari wanted a new theme11:20
nekostarlast one was the sexylolinix11:20
nekostaroo got some uuuuuuber high res pix of mars and stuff - i really need a darn vid card and duals back11:20
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hype_:p11:21
majnoonupgrrade thingy says i have about 20 hours left11:21
nekostarmajnoon yeah bw is slammed atm :P11:21
luitvdanybody else having trouble updating libmono-corlib1.0-cil?11:21
luitvdW: Failed to fetch http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mono/libmono-corlib1.0-cil_1.2.4-6ubuntu6_all.deb Hash Sum mismatch11:21
nekostarluitvd sudo apt-get update11:21
nekostarthen try again11:21
majnoonit allo downloaded it INSTALLING now11:21
nekostaroh wait do a sudo apt-get clean first i recommend..11:21
luitvdmeh, just did that, but I'll try it anyways11:22
luitvdnekostar: I'll try11:22
nekostarkk ^^11:22
nekostarthe clean command is one of my favorites... deletes the apt-get cache- saves tons of space11:22
luitvd:)11:23
nekostarmasterloki http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q6600_2.html#sect011:23
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savvas  * Disable MSI by default < what does this mean?11:23
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savvasit was in the changelog of the linux headers11:23
majnoonmicosoft install ??11:24
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savvasI didn't know linux had .msi support :)11:24
luitvdnekostar: nope, still the same Hash Sum mismatch11:24
hetaumaafter installing latest updates which included -13 kernel and rebooted my X runs at 800x600 and with vesa driver instead of nvidia. is this because linux-restricted-modules-13 is not updated yet?11:24
majnooni HOPE NOT11:24
hype_hetauma , that's it11:25
hype_hetauma , use main server, or wait a bit :)11:25
majnooni usually use nvidia's drivers11:25
hype_just wait, you'll still be able to boot on lod kernel11:25
hype_well, -1211:25
hetaumahype_, if I reboot with -12 kernel it will work fine right ?11:25
hetaumayeap :D11:25
klothohello... I had gutsy working just fine until today, when I let it auto-upgrade and now it won't start the xserver, claiming it is in low graphics mode. But whether I configure it and continue or just continue, it still won't start. Any hints?11:25
hype_yep11:25
savvashetauma: what's your linux restricted modules? 2.6.22.4-13.6 ?11:26
hetaumasavvas, nope it's -12-generic11:26
hype_hetauma , my theory is they did on purpose to test bulletproof X efore release :D11:26
hetaumaand there is not -13 yet no my sources11:26
savvaslinux-restricted-modules: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.6.22.13.1911:27
savvaswhat repo ?:)11:27
klothono hints at all?11:27
hetaumasavvas, .gr11:27
savvasah, it'll be there soon :P11:27
hetaumaklotho, either boot with the old kernel -12 one or wait a bit and update again11:28
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hype_klotho , linux restricted modules not yet updated for -13 kernel, just wait or use main ubuntu serv11:28
klothohype_ so how do I revert?11:28
bazhanghas anyone installed nvidia drivers for nvidia geforce 7300?11:28
hype_klotho , use synpatic11:28
klothoI can't. x won't start11:28
hype_you can serv your mirror from synpatic11:28
savvasbazhang: yeah why?11:29
hype_klotho , just boot on older kernel?11:29
klothohow do I boot the older kernel?11:29
savvasbazhang: I haven't still updated to the latest release though :)11:29
hype_reboot, and choose the kernel from gub11:29
klothohmm.. the old one would be there? I didn't check11:29
bazhangdo you compiz-fusion going sawas?11:29
hype_klotho , it is11:29
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klothookay, and so that is the whole installation for the older one, not just the kernel?11:30
savvasklotho: you should have a "kernel 2.6.22-10-generic"11:30
bazhangsavvas: do you have compiz-fusion?11:30
savvasbazhang: yep, works great for my nx7300gt11:30
MannyZwhat was the command again to sources.list :S? im really ing big trouble here :SS::SS11:30
klothookay, but why does this new version not even work in low graphics mode?11:30
bazhangsavvas: hard to install?11:31
savvasMannyZ: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ?11:31
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Almindorhello11:31
Almindorwhen you turn on compiz-fusion (eg: "simple effects") is a different WM used than without it? (I guess normal is metacity?)11:32
savvasbazhang: it was several clicks away, through the appearance (system > prefs > appearance > visual effects)11:32
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bazhangsavvas: includes installing nvidia drivers?11:32
Sontax`lap_Thanks every 1 it is working again11:32
savvasbazhang: um no, you install the drivers from system > admin > restricted drivers manager :)11:33
luitvdwhy won't libmono update? or how can I ignore the hash sum mismatch?11:33
savvasbazhang: don't forget to restart after the driver installation11:33
MannyZhow i open the xorg.conf in a texteditor?.. tell me the command only.. or i cant know what im copypasting to terminal11:33
bazhangsavvas: thanks!11:33
savvasn/p :)11:34
hetaumabtw how do I change the resolution/fonts on my terminals? non X ?11:34
savvasMannyZ: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf11:34
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ratpoisonsavvas: I had the same problem w/ my ati x1950 and compiz-fusion via xgl. I booted from  -12 and it worked11:35
hetaumabrb rebooting11:35
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savvasratpoison: what same problem?11:35
bazhangsavvas: all I see is choosing the card; where can I get the drivers?11:36
ratpoisoncompiz-fusion wouldn't work...11:36
bazhangI'm in KDE11:36
ratpoisonbut now it does11:36
savvasbazhang: ah.. don't know then. search for the restricted drivers manager if there is any in KDE :\11:36
bazhangsavvas: there aren't...11:36
savvasratpoison: -13 doesn't work?11:37
ratpoisononly metacity11:37
savvasratpoison: you have the same problem as hetauma maybe, you have to wait for the restricted modules to reach the .gr repositories11:38
ratpoisonBefore that, I tried to uninstall xserver xgl, upgrade and re-install xgl. Neither that worked11:38
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ratpoisonor I could remove the gr. prefix from the sources, upgrade and try again ;)11:38
savvasratpoison: your call :) I use the uk.archive.ubuntu.com11:39
ratpoisonxterm time11:39
ratpoisonhmmmmm seems that for some reason my repos where not the gr.* to begin with11:41
ratpoisonso, why do I have this problem?11:41
savvasratpoison: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules11:42
ratpoisona rhetorical question mind you11:42
savvasmine is   Candidate: 2.6.22.13.1911:42
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ratpoisonhttp://pastebin.com/m7ccdca7911:43
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nijabaHello, is this only me or there is a problem with nvidia-glx-new on the gutsy upgrades today ?11:45
hetaumahmm ok I downloaded linux-restricted-13 and now nvidia drivers work. but my xorg.conf is edited and it has failsafe device and failsafe monitor with max resolustion 640x480. and I don't see any back up of my old one :(11:45
ratpoisonnijaba that seems to be the conversation right now11:45
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nijabasorry, just joined11:45
nijabaratpoison: thanks11:46
klothomoral of the story - don't upgrade for a few days after a beta release11:46
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ratpoisonnijaba: For now, try booting from 2.6.22.1211:46
nijabaratpoison: done already, but had to go vesa to get video11:47
ratpoisonklotho: seems like a good idea.... then again having a beta version OS is not a good idea to begin with :)11:47
hetaumaratpoison, it seems that this issue creates a failsafe xorg.conf and sticks with that afterwards11:47
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ratpoisonhetauma: not having nvidia, I wouldn't be much help :)11:47
ratpoisonmaybe it's just "wait a few days until the fix it and upgrade again"11:48
ratpoisonthey*11:48
hetaumaand even if u enable again nvidia driver through restricted drivers manager it sticks with the failsafe xorg.conf11:49
hetaumahmm if I run nvidia-xconfig would it detect my monitor and choose the right resolution ?11:49
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redheathello everyone11:50
ratpoisonno idea about nvidia tools.... can't help you there11:50
nijabahas someone reported the issue on launchpad ?11:50
redheatI gotta a question about Gutsy Gibbon11:50
ratpoisondunno11:50
hetaumanope it sticks with the values of failsafe11:50
ratpoisonredhead: don't ask to ask a question, ask a question11:50
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redheatI wanna make a wireless network where other computers can see my computer when its running ubuntu?11:51
redheatthat is a wireless network on Ubuntu is that possible?11:51
nijabaredheat: see in what sense ?  access to shares ?11:51
moreatiThis may be inappropriate, but it seems that when I do a long download or update with Gutsy that the OS prioritises that transfer, giving virtually no bandwidth to browsing or email which become very slow. Has anyone else seen this behaviour & can throttle Apt without dropping into iptables configuration?11:51
redheatexactly11:51
redheatI mean take this for example11:51
redheatI have yellow-dog installed on my Playstation 3, and its able to see my system when I'm using windows vista or xp, and it can access them too11:52
redheatI mean can I make a network on Ubuntu? and if yes, how to?11:52
hetaumamoreati, yes that happens but due to my experience this is how dsl works11:52
hetaumamoreati, if u have something that max out your bandwith u can't really do much more. borwsing gets way tooo slow11:53
redheatand of course, I want it wireless so that any computer can connect to it the moment its within range of my PC?11:53
jussi01!find libxine-extracodecs11:54
redheatnijaba, are you still with me?11:54
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nijabaredheat: is your wifi working already ?11:55
ratpoison!patience11:55
ubotuPackage/file libxine-extracodecs does not exist in gutsy11:55
redheatyes11:55
ubotuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines11:55
redheatthis is how I got my computer configured.11:55
jussi01Anyone know what its called now then?11:55
nijabaredheat: go take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba to learn configuring windows file sharing11:55
redheatI have a belkin 54 G gateway/adsl/router connected to my computer using an ethernet cable11:55
savvasjussi01: totem-gstreamer works for me11:56
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redheatwindows file sharing?11:56
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jussi01savvas: yes ok. but Im on Kubuntu.... ;)11:57
hetaumaso todays news are: bulletproof X works fine... it just sticks to that afterwards :D11:57
savvasjussi01: ah, sorry then, no idea :)11:57
nijabaredheat: well, if you want to see your disk from a windows station, you need to have samba, which implements windows file sharing11:57
jussi01!samba11:57
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT11:57
redheatwhat about from another linux distribution such as yellow dog?11:57
hazmani've noticed a directory missing from my amarok collection, normally in winamp(under doze) i would just add it again, but given amarok automatically indexes is there any way to force it to recognise the directory?11:58
redheatnijaba, regardless of whether other computers can see it or not, is there a possibility to set up a network on my system?11:58
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nijabaredheat: yes11:58
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redheatok11:58
savvasratpoison: btw, i have no idea why it happens, try uncheck and check again your graphics card in restricted manager :)11:59
redheatmy friend, thank you so much for your help, and sorry I got this one last silly question, does Kubuntu have beryl and compizfusion installed on it?11:59
redheatI meant compizfusion the new name for beryl11:59
jussi01hazman: yes there s a way11:59
nijabaredheat: you can install it.  Gutsy has it by default11:59
jussi01!compiz11:59
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects11:59
redheatI know, under ubuntu its working fine, but is does it exist under kubuntu?12:00
nijabaredheat: as well12:00
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redheatcan you show me how to access it under kubuntu?12:00
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jussi01redheat: there are still some issues afain12:01
redheatI know how to do it under ubuntu from the administration12:01
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redheatok roger that12:01
redheatok nijaba, thank you so much for your help..take care and have a nice day12:02
hazmanjussi01: would there perhaps be something about the directory that amarok doesn't like? it doesn't have any non-friendly symbols in the folder name.. nor is it hidden12:02
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hetaumaany ideas how ubuntu creates the initial xorg.conf? how it detects monitor gfx card and suitable resolution ? can I run that again ?12:05
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JosefKI still don't get why symlinking /etc/fonts/conf.avail/10-autohint.conf and 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf isn't a default, or more easy to do - firefox looked cack here until I did it12:06
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ratpoisonhetauma: yup, manually as far as I know. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xgl (I think)12:10
TavathlonHello all. I have a major problem with the updates this morning - it made my drivers for the graphics card disappear, and my keyboard layout switched to English. Might be more issues, I don't know yet. Anyway, trying to reach the restricted drivers manager, it tells me the following: "You need to install the package  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  for this program to work.". So I tried to do that, but that package is not to be foun12:11
ratpoisonbe careful not to mess it up though!12:11
hetaumaratpoison, trial and error :D12:11
ratpoisonwarning if you mess it up, you might be stuck with no X at all12:12
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hetaumaxserver-xgl is not installed? is it xserver-xorg ?12:13
ratpoisonsorry typo12:13
ratpoison:)12:13
ratpoisontalking about xgl with another user :)12:13
moreatiratpoison: in that case it was a thinko :)12:14
Tavathlonno one else having problems with the updates from the last couple of hours?  o_O12:14
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moreatiTavathlon: I saw some talking about latest nvidia-glx-new causing issues, I haven't rebooted yet, so no direct experience12:16
Tavathloncould be that12:16
Tavathlondo you remember where you saw it?12:16
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moreatihere, about 20 minutes ago12:16
Nookie^has anyone managed to get dual screens working with ati in gutsy?12:17
tiger_At which runtime level does ubuntu boot by default ? I can't figure it out since there is no /etc/inittab !!12:17
moreati(10:45:12) nijaba: Hello, is this only me or there is a problem with nvidia-glx-new on the gutsy upgrades today ?12:17
moreati(10:45:43) hetauma: hmm ok I downloaded linux-restricted-13 and now nvidia drivers work. but my xorg.conf is edited and it has failsafe device and failsafe monitor with max resolustion 640x480. and I don't see any back up of my old one :(12:17
moreati(10:45:44) ratpoison: nijaba that seems to be the conversation right now12:17
hetaumamoreati, I have exactly the same issue and trying to fix it :D12:18
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hetaumaohh I said that?!?12:18
Tavathlonhum..12:18
moreatiThe conclusion 30 minutes ago was 'Wait a few days for it to get sorted'12:18
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Tavathlonmy problem is that linux-restricted-13 is nowhere to be found...12:19
ratpoisonmoreati: the conclusion was that this might be the conclusion :p12:19
moreatior drop back to 2.6.22 -1212:19
Tavathlonthe system refers to 13, but it is not installed12:19
moreatiwhoops, overstating things again12:19
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ratpoisonmoreati :p12:19
ratpoisonanyways. real life calls. gotta go out for coffee!12:20
hetaumaTavathlon, try to switch to main server for repositories12:20
hetaumabrb12:20
moreatiratpoison: that's not real life, thats a refuelling pitstop12:20
ratpoison:)12:20
Tavathloner..  where do I switch server?  :s  can't find it in synaptics..  (and I only see half prefernces window, due to extremely low screen resolution..)12:22
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Tavathlonwait, might have found it12:22
hetaumaok after installing restricted modules and reconfiguring Xserver I'm finally back to 1280x102412:22
moreatiAnway back to me! Large downloads such as an apt upgrade are sucking _all_ my bandwidth, other browsing/email feels slower than dialup. Anyone else seeing this?12:23
Lynouremoreati: yes, not surprising12:23
hetaumamoreati, yeap but due to my experience it's due to how adsl works12:23
moreati(Ie it isn't as bad under Windows, and I don't think it was this bad under Feisty)12:24
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Lynouremoreati: if you upgraded to feisty after it came out, then the servers were probably slower then :)12:24
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moreatiIt's not that update downloads are slow, it's that their network traffic (or any large download) uses all my bandwidth, to the point of interfering with dns lookups of websites12:26
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Lynouremoreati: yes, that's what I meant12:27
moreatiLynoure: oh I see, sorry.12:27
hetaumamoreati, again in dsl when you max out your bandwith ping times even to your dns go up to 4 digits12:27
Lynouremoreati: if you upgraded to feisty when it was out, the servers were slower -> less able to fill your bandwidth12:27
RivaeAeryais gutsy safe yet on my main pc which i use for schoolwork, games, and music?12:27
hetaumamoreati, try to download something else that maxes out your bandwith and you will see the same issue12:28
LynoureRivaeAerya: Are you ok if it is not working for a day?12:28
RivaeAeryaLynoure: well, could come at a bad time..12:28
LynoureRivaeAerya: if not, stick to a released version12:28
Tavathlonhetauma, when doing 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xgl', (which I assume I will have to do after my install of the restricted drivers that are now available (yayz!)), will I have to manually change anything, or will that command fix it automatically?12:28
hetaumaTavathlon, 1st I did that for xserver-xorg (nvidia here and not sure if nvidia is the issue that I have xserver-xorg)... sec phone12:29
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RivaeAeryaLynoure: how's the kubuntu variant coming along?12:29
redheatguys just a quick help around here please12:29
moreatihetauma: yes, that's exactly what I've done and it's as you describe. But if I perform the same download in Windows then web browsing and imap email remain tolerable. As though Windows is doing some prioritisation of network traffic, that Gutsy either isn't doing or has different presets for.12:30
redheatif I want to run nvidia-xconfig12:30
redheatwhich command to use?12:30
redheatis it sudo12:30
redheatcause I'm beind asked to run nvidia-xconfig as root12:30
Nookie^yes sudo12:30
LynoureRivaeAerya: some hickups, like strigi taking 98% of cpu and crashing :)12:30
redheatjust one more question,12:30
redheathow to restore a backed up file12:30
moreatiredheat: please use one line for your question, not many lines one after the other12:31
redheatok I'm sorry. Can you please tell me how to restore a backed up file?12:31
moreatiredheat: was it nvidia-xconfig that said it had backed up the file?12:31
LynoureRivaeAerya: no suspend-to-ram recovery on my laptop at least. Otherwise fine enough for me, but the restricted module problem just left some people I know GUIless for a bit :)12:31
RivaeAeryathe kubuntu color scheme did not change, right?12:31
redheatyes12:31
hetaumaTavathlon, after that during the configuration I think I followed the suggested values except the section where I chose the resolution12:31
LynoureRivaeAerya: I would not know12:31
hetaumamoreati, are u talking about windows updates?12:31
LynoureRivaeAerya: I always use my own.12:31
RivaeAeryaLynoure: your own colorscheme? which is that?12:32
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redheatbut this just happened after I updated Kubuntu, it was running fine till I made a major update to kubuntu12:32
redheatI should have done that before I installed my nvidia driver but still no problem12:33
Tavathlonhetauma; alright, I'll give it a try now..  wish me good luck, and thanks for the help..  :P12:33
Tavathlonbbl12:33
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hetaumaTavathlon, good luck mate12:33
redheatoreati, are you there?12:33
LynoureRivaeAerya: sorry, my irc does not do graphics... it might be googlable, put it in my blog way back ( ---> #ubuntu-offtopic)12:33
moreatihetauma: no, I know they're very throttled and smaller, I mean large downloads such as OOo for Windows, or an iso12:33
redheathello? anyone12:34
redheathow do we restore a backed up file12:34
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moreatiredheat: it should also have said what path it backed it up to, something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIA-orig. In which case the command would be mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIA /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:34
hetaumamoreati, are those downloads maxing out your bandwith ? I generally have this browser slowness issue in both windows and linux whenever my bandwith is maxed12:35
redheatit just gave me the name and yes it was backed up under that path12:35
redheatso oreati, the command again is12:35
redheat?12:35
Nookie^i wonder how many years it will take before graphic card problems are gone.. especially for at12:35
Nookie^i12:35
hetaumaomg xchat's spell checker doesn't have linux nor xchat included ?!?!?12:35
moreatihetauma: what version of Windows do you use? Maybe it's only XP and above. Certainly latency critical things like quake multiplayer are affected no matter what the system.12:36
moreatiredheat: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.NVIDIA /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:37
redheatthe destination is /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:37
redheat?12:37
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redheatroger that12:37
redheatthank you12:37
hetaumamoreati, xp pro. now if u are talking about latency critical things like online gaming on my dsl I can't download anything if I want to play smoothly12:37
moreatihetauma: ditto, but web browsing is less affected on XP/Vista than it is on Gutsy, I find12:38
hetaumamoreati, and again I believe that this issue is not due to the operating system12:38
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moreatihetauma: ok, I'll do some more trials, maybe I'm misremembering.12:39
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Tavathlonalright, I'm back now..12:45
Tavathlonthe drivers are now installed, but I still have the lousy screen resolution - not really sure how to fix it..12:45
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majnoonthis getting slooooower12:47
Tavathlonhetauma?  you still here?12:47
hetaumayes12:47
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majnoonsays over 1 DAY left12:48
hetaumaTavathlon, did u reconfigyre xserver?12:48
Tavathlonno, I realized I have no idea how to do it..  >.<12:48
Tavathlonso I thought I should ask..  =P12:48
TavathlonI don't dare to fiddle around to much on my own, I've lost my X too many times for that, and I'm not really good at this kind of stuff..  =P12:50
hetaumaTavathlon, basicly all I did was sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and followed all the default values (which are actually those from the previous installation at least for keyboard layout etc) till I chose the resolution12:50
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CountXanyone know how to fix grub error 17?12:51
CountXi tried to re-setup grub with a live cd, nothing...12:51
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ChildXhello12:52
hetaumahmm on the other hand ... if you remove xserver-xorg and then install it again ? would that be automaticly configured?12:52
majnoonit was &%&^%&^%*&^( google desktop12:52
ChildXis WINE installed by default in gutsy beta?12:52
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CountXChildX no12:53
Tavathlonhetauma, I'm running that command now..  =)   should I follow the manual or the autodetect?12:53
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CountXChildX long answer, it will in final, or im switching to fedora 812:53
hetaumaautodetect12:53
Tavathlonalright..  going for it now =)12:54
ba5ewow 160mb update....nice :)12:55
hetaumagl12:55
ba5eI love updating ubuntu....it is so satisfying!12:55
nanonymeit is?12:55
CountXi wish i could get in ubuntu12:55
CountXi get error 17 for no reason after restart12:55
CountXi spent all night working and now i dont have access to all my stuff12:56
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AnRkeydoes ctrl+alt+f2 give you a login prompt?12:56
AnRkeyor does it not boot at all?12:57
CountXit is stuck at grub12:57
CountXerror 1712:57
AnRkeycan you see the grub menu first?12:57
tapashi. i checked the "mount automatically" option for a removable hd in the media:/ thingy in konqueror12:57
AnRkeybefore the error?12:57
CountXnope12:57
AnRkeyor straight to error?12:57
tapasbut the device doesn't get mounted automatically ;)12:57
AnRkeyCountX, boot from a live cd and edit grub config to use the previous kernel12:58
CountXi dont have any12:58
AnRkeyhmm12:58
AnRkeywhat are u using to be here now?12:59
CountXi boot into live cd and look at menu.lst and everything is nornal12:59
AnRkeywhere are u?12:59
CountXAnRkey my windows12:59
AnRkeyCountX, switch the current default kernel to the previous one12:59
CountXAnRkey it doesnt get to the boot, it stoped before grub shows menu01:00
CountXAnRkey and i dont have another kernel01:00
AnRkeyhow did you check the menu.lst?01:00
CountXboot cd01:00
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Tavathlonhetauma; done now, rebooting..  I'll be back to tell how it went in a little while..  =)01:00
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ba5ewow my fonts in the update window have changed....01:02
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ChildXhello01:06
ChildXanyone interested in a test?01:07
ChildXi think i have found a bug in Launcher01:07
ChildXin feisty01:07
ChildXi would like to test if gutsy has that bug as well01:07
ChildXanyone?01:08
ChildXokay, bye then01:08
hetaumahow can ppl be so anxious ?01:08
rjekTHEY DEMAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT NOW!!!!!111!101:09
ikoniarjek: best way to be ignored and banned01:09
ikonia!patience >rjek01:09
ikonia!caps >rjek01:09
ba5eyeah, get into the ubuntu way of life....don't stress rjek01:10
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redheathi everyone01:10
rjekI was being ironic.  Perhaps you're americans. :)01:10
ba5ehehehe.....are yanks up at this time?01:10
ba5ehi redheat01:11
redheatguys I just wanted to let you all know, and you too Oreati, I got over that problem01:11
redheatHi ba5e01:11
ba5ei need a reboot.....new kernel *fingers crossed*01:11
ba5ebrb01:11
redheatI just updated my Kubuntu, but I didn't know that there was a new kernel 22.13 till I restarted and right after the restart01:11
redheatthe xserver-conifg was gone and I was faced with an abysmal 800x600 resolution and a stupid message telling me that I"m running in low-graphics mode01:12
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ubuntu__did anyone else have a problem with installing the beta?01:13
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redheatI just used that low-life mode to login, headed over to where the NVIDIA drivers were, their location that is, in this case it was on the Desktop01:13
IndyGunFreakno01:13
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IndyGunFreakwhat happened to the nvidia drivers last night?01:13
redheattyped the following into the terminal chmod 777 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run01:13
ba5ethey ran off with your wife! hehehe01:13
IndyGunFreakwas just reading a fwe minutes ago, found i'm not alone.01:13
ba5ejokes01:13
IndyGunFreakba5e: lol01:13
ubuntu__ok..... ill just try install it again01:14
redheatand then I shutdown the xserver, and reinstalled the drivers again and everything was ok01:14
IndyGunFreakit wonked mine up something awful.01:14
redheatand it went ok..01:14
IndyGunFreakubuntu__: are you using gutsy?01:14
redheatI just got one question..why have you, ubuntu dudette/dudes released a new kernel, especailly now, and we're like 12 days from release?01:15
IndyGunFreakredheat: thats how we roll01:15
redheatyes you roll "us"  like dice01:15
IndyGunFreaklol01:15
redheatthank you gods and godesses of development01:15
IndyGunFreakubuntu__: try installing the nvidia kernel-common.. thats what i ended up doing to make my card work01:16
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redheatIndyGunFreak, Oreati, gals/guys, thank you all for your help..but keep the releases down...give us some room to breath in before you hit us again..01:17
redheatthanks and take care01:17
IndyGunFreakhmm01:17
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IndyGunFreakwhy doesn't he jsut use LTS if he wants to wait a while between releases?01:17
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IndyGunFreakor did he just want to whine and cry01:17
Tavathlont has nothing to do with the problem I was having..  so the real problem is fixed..  thanks a lot!  =)01:19
Tavathlonoh fuck01:19
Tavathlonbloody touchpad..  -_-01:19
stdin!language01:19
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:19
Tavathlonsorry..  =P01:19
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CountXerror 17 still :(01:20
Tavathlonas I was saying before my touchpad made things irritating:01:20
CountX2 hours till class :(01:20
hetaumamain problem caused today I think is that there was a delay of linux-restricted-modules-13 on many servers....01:20
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hetaumawhich was a good test for bulletprof X tho01:20
IndyGunFreakGrub 17?01:21
hetaumabtw bulletproof X shouldn't keep a back up of xorg.conf?01:21
Tavathlonhetauma, things are working now!  =)  still some minor problems here and there that were not there yesterday, but they have nothing to do with the serious problem - now I can use my computer to work with again, at least! thanks a lot!  =)01:21
IndyGunFreaki hate that error.01:21
hetaumaTavathlon, welcome :D01:21
CountXIndyGunFreak fix it fix it fix it01:21
IndyGunFreakCountX: how did you install?01:21
Tavathlongoing back to work now, only 3,5 hour delayed...  =P01:22
Tavathlongood luck, everyone!01:22
CountXIndyGunFreak 2 months ago 0.<01:22
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IndyGunFreak2mo ago?... and its been fine up to today01:22
penguincentrali've just rebooted after doing 375 updates, and i'm now using vesa graphics when i use the nvidia restricted drivers01:22
IndyGunFreak?01:22
CountXyesh01:22
penguincentralwhat is going on?01:23
CountXIndyGunFreak i was using windows for about 4 days without restarting, then restarted, and BAM01:23
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IndyGunFreakCountX: well, that shoudln't really effect grub.01:24
IndyGunFreakCountX: u using vista?01:24
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kristjan_uhoh, I lost nvidia driver - how long will restricted modules be unavailable for upgrade?01:24
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: i lost it to, i think everybody did.01:25
IndyGunFreakbut i installed the nvidia kernel,01:25
IndyGunFreakwhichlet me reenable the nvidia driver.01:25
_Argasmhi guys, can someone help me with a wireless problem in gutsy...  it's all configures but no flashing wireless light... dunno what else to try ? any ideas ?01:25
IndyGunFreakthen ran nvidia-settings01:25
penguincentrali'm trying to get into the restricted drivers manager and it's saying to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic01:25
CountXIndyGunFreak XP...01:26
CountXIndyGunFreak this is really pissing my off, sry01:26
IndyGunFreakpenguincentral: wel,l install that kernel/module01:26
penguincentralok01:26
IndyGunFreakCountX: no big deal..... you can try reinstalling grub.01:26
IndyGunFreak!grub01:26
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto01:26
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: should I wait for restricted modules update? or follow your advice?01:26
_Argasm7.04 wireless worked great, but did a fresh install of 7.10 and now I can find and configure the card but no wireless... any ideas guys ???01:27
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: lol, well i followed my advice, and *right now* everything is fine... i couldn't runt he other way cuz my screen was like 800x600, and dual screens were screwed01:27
CountXIndyGunFreak I have, i resinstalled it to hd1,0 and hd1, no effect01:27
IndyGunFreakhd1?.. it probably needs to be on hd001:27
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CountXIndyGunFreak thats where windows is01:28
IndyGunFreakright.01:28
IndyGunFreakgrub should go on the mbr.01:28
CountXIndyGunFreak right01:28
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CountXbrb01:28
thompawhat is the default with compiz supposed to be after install?01:28
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IndyGunFreakthompa: off?..lol01:29
thompais it expo i mean01:29
thompawith two workspaces or four01:29
_Argasmcan someone help me setup a wireless card01:29
majnoonit down to 14 hours now01:29
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kristjan_IndyGunFreak: did I understood you right - you reinstalled "nvidia-kernel-common"?01:30
kxargasm , give wicd a try.. it works for me in gutsy01:30
thompaI had cube by default a while back but now cube will crash the desktop if i go enable it01:30
ciphergothJust installed Gutsy beta on my new Windows XP laptop.  I'd expected that it would be dual-boot by the time I'd finished, but no menu appears at boot time.  Did something go wrong?01:30
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: thats what i did, then restarted, and restricted driver mgr. worked fine01:30
thompaIndyGunFreak: are you running compiz?01:30
IndyGunFreakthompa: i have, i don't like it.. so i don't use it now.01:30
thompaIndyGunFreak: what is the default01:31
IndyGunFreaki don't know.01:31
_Argasmwhat's wicd ???01:31
thompai had two different setups on different boxes01:31
thompathis intel macbook wont do cube, i dont care though01:31
thompabut the amd64 had it default for some reason on the nvidia01:32
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kxargasm, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/01:33
thompaanybody can tell me what th default is when you set desk effects. Is it 2 workspaces side by side (expo i think)01:33
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ciphergothThere's a /boot/grub/menu.lst that seems to have several options in it including memtest86+ but no menu at all appears at boot- it just launches right into the default01:33
thompaintel graphic problem01:34
_Argasmthx01:34
thompathis is a intel 945 I think01:34
majnoonintel MAY make ok vid CARDS but on mobo chips NOT so great01:35
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thompaanybody running compiz01:36
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: this didn't help here :-/01:36
thompaim trying to test the video card01:36
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IndyGunFreakkristjan_: you probably need to update/restart.. at least i did.01:36
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: done already01:36
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IndyGunFreakkristjan_: i don't know, ike i said, worked fine for me.01:37
thompa!compiz01:37
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects01:37
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: linux-restricted-modules-generic is marked as "upgradable" in adept_updater, but this would break if applied01:37
humboltoI just read that nvidia driver 100.14.19 fixes the compiz black window bug. Will this be the version in Gutsy?!01:37
kristjan_humbolto: yes01:38
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thompaill go ask there, macbook is working great otherwise, the osx partition is down to 4G01:38
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: i dont' know, i instaled it, and instaled all updates, and everything went fine, i then enabled the driver, and configured everything and saved X01:38
humboltokristjan_: Oh thank god! I almost thought they released it too late!01:38
thompahumbolto: on the geforce 6200 go the black is real bad01:38
CountXIndyGunFreak i cant mount any of my drives.... :(01:39
IndyGunFreakCountX: ?  what do you mean?01:39
CountXIndyGunFreak i tried to do "setup (hd0)" from grub and it gives me error 17 cant mount01:39
thompaolder sony vaios i think have this card01:39
humboltothompa: That's what I have. And did you test it with 100.14.19 yet? Is it really resolved?01:39
IndyGunFreakCountX: are you on a live cd?01:39
CountXIndyGunFreak yeah01:39
humboltothompa: one firefox window and you are there.01:39
IndyGunFreakwell, thas why, you have to mount the drive in order to install grub on to it.01:39
CountXIndyGunFreak i can go in computer and look at all my drives01:40
majnoondown to 12 hrs01:40
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kristjan_I own the geforce 6200 go and yes, 14.19 does fix the black window bug, however now I got _bad_ memory leak01:40
thompahumbolto: i had an issue installing group, i have to have windows on the other partition01:40
thompa*grub01:40
thompaI think lilo screwed up01:40
IndyGunFreakCountX: when you went throught he install process, where did you tell it to install grub?01:40
majnoon#1 rule of thumb if dual boot winblows ,install winblows FIRST01:40
IndyGunFreakwhen you first isntalled?01:40
humboltokristjan_: a memory leak? what does this result in? crash?01:41
thompahumbolto: the macbook works so far best with intel graphics01:41
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: do you have any unapplied updates?01:41
CountXIndyGunFreak i dont remember it was a looong time ago01:41
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: no01:41
kristjan_humbolto: no, not crash, it will eat all your ram01:41
IndyGunFreakCountX: oh ok.01:41
thompahumbolto: i got all the effects cranked up, just cube will crash01:41
CountXIndyGunFreak im pretty sure on the MBR01:41
IndyGunFreakkinda wierd that error jsut started all fo a sudden01:42
thompaim wondering if i should keep the 4g osx partition01:42
IndyGunFreakdo you have a lot of data on your ubuntu partition?01:42
humboltothompa: so the leak is in cube or the nvidia driver features cube uses?01:42
humboltokristjan_: it will eat all my ram when I use compiz (cube) or any way?01:42
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: i just double checked, it shows mys system commpletely up to date01:43
thompahumbolto: this is a an intel macbook, the other laptop is vaio with nvidia01:43
humboltokristjan_: when will those fsckers release the driver under the GPL finally, so it can get fixed.01:43
CountXIndyGunFreak not a lot, i have a separate partition for /home/ and my ubuntu root have like 20gb free, home has like 1001:43
kristjan_humbolto: I haven't said it will eat your ram, I said it eats mine :-)01:43
IndyGunFreakCountX: usually that error starts right at install.01:43
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: what country's mirror do you use?01:43
thompanvidia has black windows always, but intel has no cube or crash01:43
humboltokristjan_: I have a 6250 go with Turbocache as well.01:43
CountXthis really sucks cause i was hoping to get a nap before class01:44
CountXnow i have to fudge with this01:44
IndyGunFreakCountX: well, i dot' really know about installing like that,01:44
humboltokristjan_: So I suspect it will do the same to me.01:44
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kristjan_humbolto: well, it could be different revision01:44
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: US01:44
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kristjan_humbolto: did you get black window bug immediately in the old days?01:44
thompahumbolto: im going to try different drivers01:44
humboltokristjan_: hopefully. What vaio model do you have? Mine is a VGN-S560P, the worst laptop I have ever had by the way.01:45
thompa mine vaio fs-660w nvidia go card01:45
kristjan_humbolto: I haven't said  I got vaio ;-)01:45
thompaheat machine01:45
CountXIndyGunFreak find /boot/grub/stage1 returns hd1,001:45
humboltokristjan_: The first firefox window triggered it. I could have several gnome-terminals at the same time however.01:45
kristjan_humbolto: just try it out, there is nothing to loose really01:45
humboltokristjan_: ah, thompa had the vaio.01:46
kristjan_humbolto: you got better card then01:46
humboltokristjan_: I'll certainly try.01:46
kristjan_humbolto: mine went completely black, except the panel and menu :-)01:46
humboltoIs there a way to get this driver for feisty?01:46
thompaactually the vaio is tougher than the macbook01:46
hyljerumor has it vaios were intended to be mac clones01:46
kristjan_humbolto: not sure, check that envy script01:46
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kristjan_humbolto: or install manually01:47
IndyGunFreakCountX: hmm, do you have 2 hard drives?01:47
thompaive already had this macbook in the shop for cracks on the front panel forming01:47
humboltoas a restricted-drivers.deb I mean01:47
CountXIndyGunFreak yes01:47
CountXIndyGunFreak just 2 sata's01:47
thompaif thats aircraft material thats very cheap plastic or something01:47
IndyGunFreakCountX: ok.. that should be hd0.. you can *try*.. rebooting your PC, and change your BIOS, to boot the second drive first.,.... see if grub loads that way01:47
IndyGunFreakunderstand?01:48
IndyGunFreakCountX: your bios boot sequence right now, is rpbably something like CD/DVD, Hard Drive-Master, something, something.. chnage hard drive master, to hard drive slave, or to whatever your secondary drive is.. i'm guessing that got changed somehow.01:49
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redheathi everyone01:50
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: looks like my mirror is not synced, I just changed to swedish and got many more updates01:50
redheat just one more question,01:51
CountXIndyGunFreak my bios wont let me change individual harddrives01:51
IndyGunFreakkristjan_: ok.01:51
IndyGunFreakCountX: ?..01:51
redheateverytime I log in as root, I get this message you're logging in as a privileged user, how do I get rid of that01:51
IndyGunFreakare you using a Raid?01:51
kristjan_IndyGunFreak: among other things, the update for "nvidia_glx_new" is available01:51
CountXIndyGunFreak i cant change to slave01:51
redheatnot in hell01:51
redheatlol01:51
CountXIndyGunFreak just "notebook hard drive"01:51
thompai got so many updates ill just wait on troubleshooting01:52
IndyGunFreakCountX: ok, you tell me you have 2 hard drives, yet you're on a notebook, explain to me exactly how your systemis set up, is ubuntu on an external drive?01:52
IndyGunFreakI know laptops can have 2 drives, just doesn't seem that common.01:52
CountXIndyGunFreak 2 internal satas01:53
IndyGunFreakok.01:53
redheatguys anyone01:53
IndyGunFreakand your laptop on the BIOS, doesn't give you the option to change their boot order?.... i've just never seen that, thats all.01:54
thomparedheat: what01:54
CountXIndyGunFreak 2 partitions are windows, both on the first sda, 2 for linux, both on sdb01:54
redheatdoes anyone know how to get rid of the privileged user warning when I log in as root?01:54
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arnathfor some reason the bottom bar does not show up on boot, i have to click wiv my mouse at the bottom of my screen and it will pop up01:54
thomparedheat: are you a new user , what are your privilages?01:55
bazhangarnath: I've heard someone else complain about that bug01:55
redheatI also have the same problem as arnath, the bottom bar doesn't show up instantly01:55
arnathbazhang: should i report it on the bug site?01:55
CountX1 and a half hours before i have to leave01:55
redheatwhen I login as root01:55
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thomparedheat: me too bottom bar, but its fixed now01:56
redheatI get a message saying you're entering a privileged user mode01:56
thompacompiz options fixed it for me somehow but there is no telling01:56
bazhangarnath: probably a good idea; have you tried deleting the panel and then reinstalling it as a workaround in the meantime?01:56
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thomparedheat: did you try admin users first01:57
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redheathow do I do that?01:57
kristjan_redheat: why do you try log in as root?01:57
thompasystem: administration: users and groups from the menu01:57
arnathbazhang: na, its not a real inconvenience, just one click brings it back01:58
kyjahow do I remove a second listing of desktop in the places menu ?01:58
thomparedheat: there you will see what you got01:58
redheatbecause it's easier for me this way...I just love to be in full control of it..rather than that vista-like UI that I get everytime01:58
redheatI try to open a program or install something01:58
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kristjan_redheat: dude, running x as root is security risk01:59
thomparedheat: you know about sudo right?01:59
redheatkristjan, thompa, my friends I understand, and you don't have to say anything and I want push it...I truely do01:59
CountXi dont have that problem cause i cant f*king boot02:00
redheatyes I do know about thompa and I did change that using the terminal02:00
redheatsudo -i02:00
redheatright?02:00
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thomparedheat: so what are your user privilages or are you root?02:00
redheatfor the time being root02:01
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thomparedheat: why are you root?02:02
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kristjan_CountX: http://hashbin.com/1039b.html02:02
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thomparedheat: what do you root privilages or user privlages say, go look02:03
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redheatwhere I can find that?02:03
kristjan_CountX: you are using livecd?02:04
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thompasystem. admin..menu02:04
CountXyes02:04
redheatok I got them thompa under users and groups02:04
thompafor a start02:04
kristjan_CountX: well? can you follow that link I gave you?02:04
CountXkristjan_ it gives an error at setup (hd0) error 17 cant mount02:05
redheatguys do you know that no one, and I really no one has ever said anything about this..02:05
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redheatI mean it's like the usergroup policy editor on windows02:05
redheatanyhow..thank you kristijan and you too thompa..02:06
redheatsorry I meant kristjan_...my mistake sorry02:06
redheatbye02:06
ciphergothWhat's the "right way" to configure grub under Ubuntu?  There seems to be an /etc/grub.d but that just contains something to set up a menu entry for memtest86+02:07
Hobbseeciphergoth: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?02:07
kristjan_CountX: what happens if you write "setup (hd" and press TAB?02:07
ciphergothHobbsee: AFAICT that file is generated02:08
CountXkristjan_ hold on im restarting02:08
ciphergothbut anyway, it seems to suggest there should be a menu on startup, but there isn't02:08
Hobbseeciphergoth: it is02:08
CountXkristjan_ ok i fixed it...02:08
CountXkristjan_ i had to restart and do the same thing like 5 times, and on this time it work...02:09
ciphergothHobbsee: so I shouldn't edit it directly, but rather edit the files that configure it, right?02:09
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Hobbseeciphergoth: only the bottom half is autogenerated each time02:10
Hobbseeas in, below ## AUTOMATIC ...02:10
psycose i've got a few packages failed to download while upgrading 7.04 to 7.10 they are all related to the linux kernel (exemple Failed to fetch http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_2.6.22.13.19_i386.deb 404 Not Found) any tips?02:10
ciphergothoh strange02:10
kristjan_CountX: strange, can you see grub menu now that you reboot?02:10
Hobbseepsycose: mirror is out of date.02:10
arnatho crap, my internet is down on my linux computer02:10
arnathno ip address, and when i do ifdown eth0, it says -> interface eth0 not configured02:11
Hobbseearnath: use dhclient eth002:11
psycoseok so to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 beta running update-manager -d is not sufficient02:11
ciphergothHobbsee: so, any thoughts on what I need to check to find out why I don't get a menu at boot time?02:11
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Hobbseeciphergoth: none at all02:11
psycosewe must first disable mirrors .... may be this can be added to the wiki02:12
Hobbseepsycose: no.02:12
savvasciphergoth: the boot menu?02:12
arnathHobbsee: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device02:12
ciphergothsavvas: yes02:12
Hobbseearnath: then it's not eth0 that is your wired connection  now.02:12
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penguincentralhi all02:12
Hobbseepsycose: everything will be built for release.02:12
arnathHobbsee: o i see, and how is that possible?02:12
Hobbseepsycose: and already mirrored.02:12
savvasciphergoth: did you change anything in menu.lst?02:12
penguincentrali just got 14 updates02:13
ciphergothnot yet02:13
psycoseok so for the 7.10 beta we must disable mirrors manually02:13
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savvasciphergoth: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep "timeout"02:13
Hobbseepsycose: no.02:13
ciphergothno, I just installed Gusty on my Windows XP box, and now it only boots Gutsy02:13
Hobbseepsycose: you have to wait for the mirrors to resync.02:13
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aLeSDhi all02:13
psycoseok02:13
savvashm02:13
penguincentral!hi | aLeSD02:13
ubotuaLeSD: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!02:13
ciphergothbut it doesn't show a menu and then time out02:13
Hobbseepsycose: do you *really* think it's a good idea for the entire world to be using the same location to get updates from the beta?02:13
savvasciphergoth: try sudo update-grub02:14
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jribchong: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/02:14
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aLeSDI have a problem ... I just upgrade the 7.10 and nvidia drivers won't load02:14
savvaschong: </302:14
penguincentralHobbsee: it really stresses out the servers, but for the updates to reach local mirrors it takes a while02:14
arnathHobbsee: no dhcp offers received02:14
aLeSDI mean I use nvidia driver yesterday ... and all weas good . But today02:14
ciphergothsavvas: looks like it's going to offer me a variety of ways to boot Ubuntu or memtest86+02:14
aLeSDI upgraded the kernel and pluf .. no way02:15
ciphergothbut I would quite like to be able to boot Windows too (I know, I know)02:15
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savvasaLeSD: did you upgrade to the new kernel? you have to wait for the restricted modules package. if not, from the menu: system > admin > restricted drivers manager, check your graphics card02:15
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aLeSDok ...  just resolved02:16
aLeSDu r doing a big job ... every day I find 70 MB to upload ...02:16
aLeSDcrazy world02:16
savvasciphergoth: try sudo grub-install .. or something like that02:16
ciphergothIt's asking what device to install to ... I have the feeling I'm grubbing around at too low a level02:17
weltallwhat's better for updating to gutsy (keep in mind that /home is on a different partition than /boot and /): 1) remove the .configs and the gconf data 2) keep them as is ?02:17
savvasaLeSD: the risks of beta :)02:17
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ciphergothI can't help but feel that Ubuntu must have a good story for managing dual boot machines, and that maybe it's gone a little bit wrong owing to betaness, but that I should be trying to get it on the right track, not bypassing it02:18
cavediverI've noticed decreased torrent-downloading performance after latest updates. Is this only a coincident or anyone else have the same problems ?02:18
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ciphergothwell, have mucked about with menu.lst, will try it now02:21
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ramviIs there any known errors with dvd playback / libdvdcss2 in gutsy?02:22
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shiznitanyone home02:22
savvasneah, you may go crazy02:22
ramviIve installed libdvdcss2 and the dvd is all laggy and unviewable02:22
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savvasramvi: on which player?02:23
shizniti need help with start up programs, i removed them from the list and they still autostart02:23
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ramvisavvas: vlc and totem02:23
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savvasshiznit: for example which programs? you may have to disable them in system > preferences, like the bluetooth thingy02:24
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savvasramvi: try mplayer02:24
shizniti have02:24
shiznitavant-window-navigator and fusion icon02:24
shizniti got rid of them in the list and they still autostart02:24
savvasmaybe there's a daemon or something :\02:25
savvaschecked /etc/init.d/ ?02:25
shiznitok sec02:26
ramvisavvas: mplayer returns FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). when I try to start the dvd02:26
shiznitwhat am i looking for?02:26
savvasramvi: where did you get libdvdcss2 btw? it's not in the repositories02:27
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kyjaHELP :) this is not mission critical but I am slightly annoyed. I have duplicate menu item "desktop" in my places menu. I want to kill one.02:27
savvasshiznit: awn or avant-something02:27
ramvisavvas Mediabuntu02:28
shiznitsavvas, not there and neither is fusion-icon02:28
savvasshiznit: out of ideas then, sorry :)02:28
arnathhmm, i'm getting "No DHCPOFFERS received" from dhclient eth1, anyone know if this could be a linux problem? (or is my dhcp server down?)02:32
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savvasarnath: try restart the router and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart02:34
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denndaHi there02:34
denndaafter todays upgrade to the new -13 kernel, I was missing the restricted modules. I am still missing them. Weren't they uploaded, too?02:35
denndaThey aren't available on the repository02:35
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dennda(After reboot I fell back to failsafex since my card geforce 8 wasn't able to work properly with the nvidia-driver that was still configured)02:36
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prestosdI can't boot!02:36
Hobbseedennda: your mirror is out of date02:36
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prestosdI just upgraded to gutsy02:36
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prestosdand now it freezes at like %2 and goes to busybox02:37
denndaand, to make things even worse: http://pastebin.ca/72781302:37
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savvasdennda: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/metapackages/linux-restricted-modules this?02:37
denndaHobbsee: you have restricted-modules for the -13 kernel? (generic)02:37
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prestosdnomasteryoda, you here?02:37
denndathis is the official german ubuntu mirror02:37
Hobbseedennda: yes02:37
ChildXhello02:38
savvasah sorry: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic02:38
Hobbseedennda: and it's still behind the original mirror, so you may need to wait a copule of hours02:38
ChildXi have done a test...02:38
denndayes, exactly02:38
denndaok02:38
ChildXi cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then02:38
ChildXwhy is that so?02:39
denndaHobbsee: thanks. Any idea about the above posted fail of xrandr -o? worked fine until I rebooted with the new kernel (due to my driver missing i am running -12 now, but xrandr still doesn't work)02:39
hetaumawhat I did to get over this problem was switch to main ubuntu servers download restricted-13 from there and after that I had to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"02:39
prestosdHey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that02:39
Hobbseedennda: none, but i'd wait until getting that new kernel to see02:39
denndaHobbsee: Ok, I will do that (or maybe download the package from another mirror)02:40
prestosdWhat's the yaboot command to shut off the splash screen?02:40
ChildXi cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then02:40
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hetaumaany ideas if I can use the tool that ubuntu uses during installation to automaticly configure xorg.conf?02:41
humboltohow to start compiz by hand in order to use the gconf backend?02:41
Suurorcaok, this is interesting... gutsy kernel doesn't seem to like my RAId controller *sigh*02:41
ChildXi cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then02:41
ChildXi cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then02:41
Hobbseehumbolto: compiz --replace02:41
Hobbsee!repeat | ChildX02:41
ubotuChildX: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience02:41
prestosdlol02:41
ChildXemerald --replace02:41
denndahetauma: that *is configuring xserver-xorg, which you reconfigured with the above command02:42
humboltoHobbsee: that's it? Is this also true for the compiz-fusion version available for feisty?02:42
ChildXsuck my dick02:42
Hobbseehumbolto: yes02:42
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savvas..02:42
denndayes02:42
Hobbseebye then02:42
savvaslol02:42
prestosdthank you02:42
denndawell, that was very fast, Hobbsee ;)02:42
prestosdlol02:42
hetaumadennda, but I did that. installation did a much better configuration I think :D02:43
Hobbseedennda: yeah, then i went to #ubuntu, and threw him out of there too02:43
prestosdHey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that02:43
denndahetauma: you are possibly confused because you didn't use the argument -plow02:43
humboltoHobbsee: I did compiz --replace gconf but changes with ccsm don't seem to take affect until I restart compiz.02:43
humboltoHobbsee: restarting meaning logging out and logging in again.02:44
hetauma-plow ? what does that do ?02:44
denndaHobbsee: some kind of "kick-button" or script? i always need to type all this manually ;)02:44
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savvashumbolto: if you have gnome-compiz-manager, remove it02:44
Hobbseedennda: yes, i have aliases :)02:44
chrissturmhmm, my bottom gnome panel disappeared in the last update, how do i get it back?02:44
denndahetauma: doesn't ask you all that stuff. needs less input02:44
denndahetauma: but it's the same02:44
Hobbseehumbolto: hm.  i dont run compiz02:45
hetaumachrissturm, double click on desktop02:45
denndaHobbsee: ah ok. .oO(note to myself: write aliases)02:45
chrissturmhetauma: lol, thanks02:45
hetauma:D02:45
Hobbseedennda: this one is /kickban -domain user, shortened.02:45
hetaumachrissturm, of course it's not supposed to work that way :D02:45
Hobbseealthough it ops first02:45
chrissturmi was just about to delete my panel config to revert to defaults02:46
prestosdHey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that02:46
Hobbseeprestosd: if someone hasnt answered you by now, they likely dont know how to fix it.02:48
prestosdlol02:49
Hobbseeprestosd: repeating will just earn *you* a kickban02:49
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prestosdHobbsee, lol I noticed02:49
=== Hobbsee would guess it's the busybox error that is hardware related.
prestosdbut it's really really really really really urgent02:49
denndasavvas: got what you wanted? ;)02:49
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prestosdbusybox doesn't say an error02:49
prestosdit just starts02:49
savvasdennda: negative :)02:49
denndasavvas: what do you want to know?02:50
Hobbseeprestosd: because you upgraded a machine that was really really urgent to a development release?02:50
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prestosdlol?02:50
savvasdennda: the story of your life02:50
denndasavvas: 4202:50
savvasbbl, clinic hours02:50
prestosdHobbsee, did it on another machine fine a few days ago02:50
prestosdthis ones a PPC02:50
prestosdjust upgraded to gutsy02:50
prestosdfirst boot of gutsy it did this02:50
Hobbseeyeah, well, ppc.02:50
jimmacdonaldhaving  a problem after updates. goes to a terminal prompt with the error kinit no resume image, doing normal boot. and then it just dies to a login prompt02:50
humboltoI never know if I need to enable the Composite extension or not in xorg.conf. What is it for?02:50
Hobbseeso it hates your hardware02:51
prestosdreall slow loading...so I reboot02:51
stefgbad timing, prestosd :-) as it just broke02:51
Hobbseejimmacdonald: do you have an intel card?02:51
Hobbseejimmacdonald: sorry, an ati card?02:51
jimmacdonaldno NVidia.02:51
prestosdstefg, ?02:51
Hobbseejimmacdonald: binary drivers?02:51
chrissturmis it possible to index thunderbird emails via tracker?02:51
Hobbseejimmacdonald: boot back with the old kernel, it should work.02:51
prestosd?02:52
stefgkernel updated, but no restricted modules, prestosd . so if you dist-upgrade now you'll not have prop-drivers ATM02:52
prestosdI dunno how, yaboot (the mac bootloader02:52
prestosddoesnt have a llist02:52
prestosdGot a command?02:52
jimmacdonaldHobbsee after I reboot then what?02:53
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sochi02:53
denndai wonder if the restricted-modules will be suggested by update-manager automatically or if i have to check their availability manually02:53
prestosdstefg, I still don't get what you're saying02:53
prestosd:P02:53
socwill xf86-video-ati synched to the latest release again?02:53
soclooks like 6.7.195 is mostly a bug fix release02:54
sochttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-October/028974.html02:54
stefgCurrently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,02:54
denndaprestosd: it's simple: If you upgrade now, you possibly won't have the correct driver02:54
dennda(for your graphics card)02:54
prestosddennda, well I already upgraded02:54
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Hobbseejimmacdonald: then update02:54
prestosdso...I can just boot my old kernel right?02:54
Hobbseejimmacdonald: see what stefg said.02:54
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prestosddennda, how can I boot the old kernel?02:55
denndastefg: cupsys still? I was convinced it upgraded just 5 minutes ago without an issue02:55
chrissturmstefg: well, i am running the 13 kernel with nvidia driver and it works.02:55
prestosddennda, my bootloader doesn't have a bootlist...so I would need a command02:55
denndaprestosd: press ESC when grub loads02:55
jimmacdonaldHobbsee: so don't update just yet?02:55
humboltocompiz keybinding settings don't take effect until I relogin.02:55
prestosdits not grub02:55
pres