[12:26] <lamont> ScottK: busted libcdb on amd64.  suckage
[12:26] <lamont> tinycdb has a bug on dapper.  we should fix it.
[12:27] <lamont> got an amd64 machine around to play with>
[12:27] <lamont> ?
[12:36] <randomness> hi all, would like to ask if anone has tried to install vmware server on top of ubuntu server?
[12:37] <lamont> next time someone asks, they /usr/sbin/sendmail link and parameters working is a matter of debian policy for MTAs
[12:40] <nealmcb> !vmware | randomness
[12:40] <ubotu> randomness: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[12:50] <randomness> nealmcb: i thought it might be more appropriate to ask here, nonetheless, thanks for recommending vmware channel
[12:52] <nealmcb> randomness: here is a fine place to ask.  I'm just not an expert, so I leaned on ubotu....
[01:38] <kb3llm> i have ubuntu server working, but how do i make it a printer server? (how do i install the printer, first off)
[01:44] <ivoks> install cupsys package
[01:46] <kb3llm> ok??
[01:46] <kb3llm> thats it?
[02:25] <lamont> ScottK: note that postfix_2.4.5-3ubuntu1 will not backport to dapper very well (switched to db4.5 from db4.3)
[02:25] <lamont> and db4.5 arrived in feisty
[03:43] <ScottK> Argh.
[03:44] <dantalizing> agreed
[03:44] <ScottK> lamont: Sounds like I have another backport to do.
[04:09] <kb3llm> is there an apt-get for the CUPS drivers? I got cups, but the drivers arent installed (according to webmin)
[04:20] <leonel> !webmin
[04:20] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[04:21] <leonel> !webmin @ kb3llm
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webmin @ kb3llm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <leonel> kb3llm:
[04:21] <leonel> !webmin
[04:21] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[04:22] <kb3llm> heh, its been working fine for me..
[04:28] <lamont> ScottK: I'm open to suggestions
[05:06] <ScottK> lamont: OK.  Let me see what I can figure out.
[05:12] <ScottK> lamont: I'm a bit confused.  The source package for 2.4.5-3 that I downloaded has a build-dep on libdb4.3-dev.  When you say you switched from db4.3 to db4.5, where do I find that in the package?
[06:47] <lamont> ScottK: in 2.4.5-3ubuntu1
[06:48] <lamont> which was just uploaded earlier ...  and consists of changelog + sed -i s/db4.3/db4.5/g debian/control.
[07:03] <Scunizi> how is webmin started?
[07:28] <ScottK> lamont: Then I guess I just barely dodged the bullet for Dapper as 2.4.5-3build1 is what got backported and it has 4.3.
[11:41] <julius> Basically My new raid card has had the module loaded incorrectly and i have allready started expanding my md array with many errors being shouted at me
[11:41] <julius> can i shutdown the computer without hurting the expansion process?
[01:25] <kraut> moin
[04:52] <lamont> ScottK: right.
[05:03] <ScottK> lamont: Which is just as well because db4.5 FTBFS in Dapper even on i386.  It would have been a real mess to clean up (of course if I'd had the db4.5 version my test build would have failed).
[05:05] <lamont> right.  I was asked to roll postfix/gutsy to db4.5 since it was the last package on the CD that Depends: libd4.3
[05:05] <lamont> that was after your backport
[05:05] <lamont> so it won't be an issue until the next time..
[05:05] <lamont> and in hardy, it'll be using libdb4.6
[05:05] <lamont> which sid already does
[05:06] <lamont> I could make it build-depend: libdb-dev (>4.6.19-1) | libdb4.5 | libdb4.3, I suppose
[05:06] <lamont> I could make it build-depend: libdb-dev (>4.6.19-1) | libdb4.5-dev | libdb4.3-dev, I suppose
[05:07] <lamont> I'm disinclined to do so that though
[05:07] <lamont> s/that//
[05:09] <ScottK> I think offering Postfix 2.4.5 in dapper-backports is plenty.  If it ever became important to do another backport, I'd just ask you to do it as a source backport with the libdb build-dep rolled back.
[05:10] <lamont> yeah
[05:12] <ScottK> This episode does, I think, demonstrate the basic strength of the Debian package management system.
[05:13] <ScottK> We thought we'd broken something, hadn't, and only after (me anyway) noticed that we couldn't have broken it because the packaging system wouldn't have let us.
[05:14] <ScottK> It does make me really glad though that I gave pitti a ping to do it and he did it right away so the version I tested and the one he backported were the same one.
[05:22] <lamont> heh
[05:23] <lamont> and tinycdb needs a fix in dapper-updates(?) so that it'll build postfix on amd64
[05:23] <ScottK> lamont: Do we have a patch for tinycdb?  I haven't looked into it.
[05:23] <lamont> so, uh, once you get a patch for tinycdb for dapper, I'll be happy to upload that. :-)  backporting that one isn't really an option (binary package renamed, etc)
[05:23] <ScottK> Sounds like a good thing to get fixed in general.
[05:24] <lamont> note the care with which I duck working on said patch.. :-)
[05:24] <ScottK> OK.  Can you point me in a direction?  I know zip about tinycdb.
[05:24] <ScottK> Yes. Noted.
[05:24] <lamont> somewhere in the make, it builds that .o without -fPIC and then drops it into the library
[05:25] <lamont> the other option would be to not support cdb on amd64. :)
[05:25] <lamont> it needs to have -fPIC on the lib files
[05:25] <ScottK> Better to fix tinycdb if I can figure it.
[05:25] <lamont> for .so (does it even make a .so there..)
[05:25] <lamont> ?
[05:25] <lamont> holler if you get stuck - I'd have to dig into it enough to understand what its doing, too.
[05:26] <ScottK> First I'll see if I can Tom Sawyer someone else into doing it.
[05:30] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure it was Tom Sawyer that had to whitewash the fence.
[05:30] <ScottK> It's been several decades since I read the book, so who knows.
[05:35] <lamont> same issue here.
[07:34] <ivoks> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39776/ - check this out
[07:35] <ivoks> system can see sda partitions, but not /dev/sda :)
[10:26] <longhui> Hello!
[10:26] <longhui> I have some troubles with booting from an RAID+LVM array
[10:26] <longhui> can anyone help me?
[10:27] <longhui> I used to have a LVM system only
[10:27] <longhui> that I migrated to RAID+LVM online
[10:28] <longhui> now I wanted to make sure the system starts up if it somewhen has to -> it does not
[10:28] <longhui> the root partition /dev/mapper/hostname-root is not found
[10:29] <longhui> the logical volume is set up on top of /dev/md1
[12:17] <sten_> wow...
[12:17] <sten_> that seems to be the default behaviour