[06:10] <j1mc> hi all... who all is here?
[06:11] <d1n0> meepmeep
[06:12] <j1mc> hi d1n0
[06:12] <d1n0> high
[06:12] <j1mc> hai
[06:14] <d1n0> sup
[06:15] <j1mc> not much... just going to ask where to file a bug.  a panel icon for 'help' in the new release points to the old 'xubuntu desktop guide,' which no longer exists.
[06:15] <j1mc> i don't think the bug belongs to 'xubuntu-docs'...
[06:15] <d1n0> ok dont know
[06:15] <j1mc> not sure where to file it
[06:15] <j1mc> i'll ask in ubuntu-bugs
[06:49] <d1n0> anyone know how i can get extended desktop with ati on a tv?
[07:00] <Chriswaterguy> hi - is there a way of moving windows without the mouse? Or a way of forcing the title bar to display? I have had trouble trying to change the size of windows, and ended up losing the title bar (the very top part of the window). Now I can "unmaximize" but this is useless as it's still taking up the whole screen and for some reason the mouse won't grab the edges of the window.
[07:07] <mike> how do enable opengl screen savers in 7.04
[07:10] <mike> what is the apt-get install command or are they installed in fiesty by default
[07:50] <allen> I lost my top and bottom tool bars.  How can I get them back?
[07:51] <The-Kernel> allen alt + F2
[07:51] <The-Kernel> type in xfce4-panel
[07:51] <The-Kernel> hit enter
[07:52] <allen> Thanks alot!
[07:52] <The-Kernel> allen did it work?
[07:52] <allen> yes, thank you.
[07:52] <The-Kernel> allen is it a new install?
[07:53] <allen> I installed it a couple of weeks ago.
[07:54] <The-Kernel> oh
[07:55] <The-Kernel> and this is the first time it happened? What release do you have?
[07:56] <allen> yea, it just happened yesterday for the first time.  I think I have feisty, but not sure how to checkk.
[07:58] <The-Kernel> allen "cat /proc/version"
[08:01] <allen> ubuntu4.1.2
[09:25] <graelb> Hi there
[09:25] <graelb> Anyone alive tonight?
[09:26] <graelb> =P
[09:26] <zeroflag> just finished breakfast. :P
[09:26] <graelb> I'm having issues with vnc-ing to a windows computer
[09:27] <zeroflag> and I probably won't be able to help you, because my first xu installation died of a grub screwup and my second xu died somewhere between aptitude and starting xfce...
[09:27] <graelb> i keep getting a ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream
[09:27] <graelb> lol
[09:27] <graelb> damn
[09:27] <zeroflag> what client do you use?
[09:27] <graelb> vncviewer atm
[09:28] <graelb> realvnc is the server
[09:28] <zeroflag> hmm, did you try connecting from another PC?
[09:28] <zeroflag> maybe local loopback on the windows machine?
[09:29] <graelb> maybe! i didn't try that
[09:29] <graelb> i don't have the client installed on that machine, i was just using it to be lazy from my bed
[09:29] <graelb> lol
[09:29] <zeroflag> join the club...
[09:29] <graelb> hehe
[09:29] <zeroflag> worked nicely until I activated aero on the target...
[09:30] <graelb> yeah... it turns aero off by default
[09:30] <zeroflag> which rendered tightvnc unable to filter out media applications, which caused vnc to go haywire, which caused my (rather powerful) machine to act like a 486 on half clock speed...
[09:30] <graelb> sweet!
[09:30] <graelb> good stuff there.
[09:30] <zeroflag> mh?
[09:31] <graelb> no, not really
[09:31] <graelb>  /sarcasm
[09:31] <zeroflag> btw, I prefer tightvnc on windows. you might wanna check on it if realvnc doesn't work.
[09:31] <graelb> rdp works correctly to the windows machine, but that's not quite remote control the way i want it
[09:31] <graelb> tightvnc eh?
[09:33] <graelb> hey, by the way, what's all involved with creating a .deb file once you've compiled from source?
[09:34] <graelb> do you know by any chance?
[09:34] <zeroflag> I only use windows->ubuntu (couldn't get xu to work yet) and windows->windows...
[09:34] <zeroflag> I have no idea but I guess you could ask on #ubuntu
[09:34] <zeroflag> the people there are quite a bit more (hyper)active than around here...
[09:34] <graelb> yeah, point made
[09:35] <graelb> So, you jsut had breakfast... which puts you somewhere in europe or australia?
[09:35] <zeroflag> europe, yeah.
[09:35] <zeroflag> I'm still sipping on my coffee although I should be out getting my car fixed...
[09:36] <zeroflag> got a 8mm screw stuck in my tire...
[09:36] <graelb> ew... yeah, i'm trying to put a new top on my jeep, and i can't get a damn torx bolt loose
[09:36] <graelb> four actually
[09:36] <graelb> none of them come out
[09:36] <zeroflag> wish I had your problems.
[09:36] <zeroflag> all issues in my car are either software related or broken... :P
[09:37] <zeroflag> and since ford won't give me an adapter cable, I can't rewrite the firmware. ;)
[09:37] <graelb> Oh c'mon, sure you could! hehe
[09:37] <graelb> Software related?
[09:37] <zeroflag> yeah, bit by bit.
[09:37] <zeroflag> literarely. ;)
[09:38] <zeroflag> well, stuff like the nav/mp3 system being unable to read ogg or wma, incapable of understanding multisession cds, etc...
[09:39] <zeroflag> the ASR being a royal pain in the ass, the lack of control over my boardcomputer, etc...
[09:39] <graelb> huh.
[09:39] <graelb> suck dude
[09:39] <graelb> lol
[09:40] <graelb> wish i could give you some bit of advice but... yeah
[09:40] <zeroflag> well, I have a nice car, even though I have to turn off ASR to have fun.
[09:41] <zeroflag> but with electronical guidance deactivated, you learn how to handle a car properly.
[09:41] <zeroflag> ...or you don't and end up on some tree...
[09:42] <graelb> yeah, that would be a bad thing
[09:43] <zeroflag> you're american, right?
[09:44] <graelb> yessir
[09:44] <zeroflag> on european roads, we have these things called "corners" and "curves".
[09:44] <zeroflag> they're tricky. ;)
[09:44] <graelb> Hey man, i'm from oregon. We've got plenty of corners and curves
[09:44] <zeroflag> really?
[09:45] <graelb> It's those damn californians that don't know how to take corners
[09:45] <graelb> chya really
[09:45] <zeroflag> then that's the only part of US I'd not refuse to move to...
[09:45] <zeroflag> and curves.
[09:45] <graelb> Granted, we don't have everything packed into like.... ten square feet, but still
[09:45] <zeroflag> outside the context of roads as well...
[09:45] <zeroflag> ok, I still refuse to move there!
[09:46] <zeroflag> until you americans learn a proper measuring system. :P
[09:46] <graelb> What!? it's called Imperial for a reason
[09:46] <graelb> it's just so much better
[09:46] <graelb>  once again </sarcasm>
[09:47] <zeroflag> every fibre in my body just refuses to work when I hear "feet".
[09:47] <zeroflag> it's just that no-go condition for my brain...
[09:47] <zeroflag> :P
[09:48] <graelb> lol
[09:48] <graelb> don't you guys spell color as colour too?
[09:48] <graelb> and favorite as favourite?
[09:48] <zeroflag> mmmh, nope.
[09:48] <zeroflag> at least I don't.
[09:48] <graelb> well... some of you do
[09:48] <graelb> lol
[09:48] <graelb> where are you in europe?
[09:48] <zeroflag> I prefer AE in most cases because I'm a lazy bastard.
[09:48] <zeroflag> and I prefer z over s...
[09:48] <zeroflag> germany.
[09:49] <graelb> Are you from germany?
[09:49] <zeroflag> yep.
[09:49] <graelb> Your english is ridiculously good for not being a first language
[09:49] <zeroflag> thank you. :)
[09:50] <graelb> Mein deutsch schlecht, aber ich habe <never> sprechen
[09:50] <zeroflag> I often get the "better than the average american" comment, but I think that could be considered an insult. ;)
[09:50] <graelb> lol
[09:50] <zeroflag> nun, mein deutsch ist auch nicht besonders gut. ;)
[09:50] <graelb> Was beduetet "besonders" im Englisch?
[09:51] <zeroflag> "especially" or "very"
[09:51] <zeroflag> varries on the context.
[09:51] <zeroflag> in this case it's "very".
[09:51] <graelb> I had three years of german, and my vocab blows
[09:51] <graelb> my german isn't very good.... right?
[09:51] <graelb> hehe
[09:51] <zeroflag> well, I had 6 years of (school) english and I couldn't form a damn sentence...
[09:52] <graelb> seriously?
[09:52] <graelb> is it that hard to learn as a second?
[09:52] <zeroflag> I only started getting better after being tossed into the world of IRC and internet. ;)
[09:52] <graelb> hehe
[09:52] <zeroflag> it's not hard to learn a language...
[09:52] <zeroflag> it's just hard to learn a language in school...
[09:52] <graelb> oh. ok, i see where you're going with that
[09:53] <zeroflag> I had to start over again after the first 2 years because I changed schools, and I had to always wait for the slower guys in the classes... so...
[09:53] <graelb> wonderful
[09:53] <graelb> Yeah, that sucks. i remember those guys
[09:53] <zeroflag> yep. :>
[09:54] <zeroflag> well, I gotta go fix my car.
[09:54] <zeroflag> see you around. ;)
[09:54] <graelb> hey,
[09:54] <graelb> can i get your aim or msn contact?
[09:54] <zeroflag> I got ICQ...
[09:54] <zeroflag> which should be the same as AIM...
[09:54] <graelb> hehe i haven't used icq in years, but my account is still up
[09:54] <graelb> hehe
[09:54] <graelb> what's your number?
[09:55] <zeroflag> did you get that?
[09:55] <graelb> huh h
[09:55] <graelb> nope
[09:55] <zeroflag> that?
[09:55] <graelb> got it
[09:55] <zeroflag> I don't want my ICQ number to be public domain. ;)
[09:56] <zeroflag> well, gotta go. bye.
[09:56] <graelb> I can't say i blame you for that one
[09:56] <graelb> have a good time, good luck
[10:26] <justin__> hello
[10:27] <justin__> asad
[10:31] <nikolam> Hi
[10:34] <nikolam> I am just sick and tired of killing gam_server and Thunar that uses all CPU. and when mouse start moving badly because of big cpu usage.. I thought I left those problems on Win XP..
[10:38] <nikolam> Here si content of my /etc/gamin/gaminrc  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39747/
[10:38] <nikolam> Maybe settig poll value to 3 bilions would stop it?..
[11:41] <DaBeowulf> Hey, does choosing VESA and 24 bit result in my monitor getting no signal, or how do I properly choose VESA to actually work for Xorg?
[11:41] <DaBeowulf> *X
[12:05] <hyper_ch> !envy
[12:05] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:10] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[12:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:12] <hyper_ch> bug 1
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:02] <justinhuang> help
[01:02] <justinhuang> ?
[01:03] <TheSheep> !ask | justinhuang
[01:03] <ubotu> justinhuang: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:03] <justinhuang> sorry
[01:03] <justinhuang> no question
[01:03] <justinhuang> thanks
[01:03] <TheSheep> :)
[01:03] <hyper_ch> hiho TheSheep
[01:04] <TheSheep> greetings earthling hyper_ch
[01:04] <hyper_ch> ;)
[01:04] <hyper_ch> Swiss Chocolate ;)
[01:04] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: from violet cows?
[01:04] <hyper_ch> no, that's German (Milka)
[01:04] <TheSheep> eeek
[01:05] <hyper_ch> our cows are black and whit and brown
[01:05] <TheSheep> and red
[01:05] <TheSheep> especially inside
[01:05] <hyper_ch> lol
[01:06] <TheSheep> nah, food is obsolete
[01:06] <Pumpernickel> Bacon does not become obsolete.
[01:07] <Pumpernickel> Ever.
[01:08] <TheSheep> make love not food!
[01:10] <hyper_ch> food= love
[01:11] <justinhuang> good answer
[03:16] <LM1> anyone here familiar with the shred command??
[03:18] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[03:18] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:24] <LM1> k well I am trying to get shred to shred files inside folders and subfolders using nautilus actions but %M doesn't seem to do jack
[03:26] <Pumpernickel> You should ask in #ubuntu, nautilus being a Gnome component not shipped with Xubuntu.
[03:45] <salox> hi
[03:46] <salox> for an Duron 900 Mhz wich is the right kernel i686 or k7 ?
[03:47] <LM1> Pumpernickel, yeah I know but usually I only get help here because everyone in #ubuntu is too busy to answer any questions
[03:47] <salox> which
[03:47] <TheSheep> salox: both will work
[03:47] <TheSheep> salox: I think that both are aliases to -generic anyways
[03:48] <TheSheep> salox: most of the advanced functions are detected on startup nowadays
[03:48] <salox> i installed i686 typing this "sudo apt-get install linux-686"
[03:48] <salox> seems to work
[03:49] <salox> ok
[03:49] <salox> i try now for k7
[03:52] <salox> xubuntu moves faster with i686 kernel om my machine
[03:52] <salox> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:53] <salox> i restart now
[04:07] <Cleric> can someone help me burn an iso using xfburn? when i try to use the 'burn CD image' function it doesnt work?
[04:08] <TheSheep> Cleric: try using graveman instead, or burn from the commandline with wodim
[04:09] <TheSheep> Cleric: xfburn had a lot of issues, it's dropped in gutsy
[04:09] <Cleric> TheSheep: ah ok............but very new to linux at all so i need you to guide me throught it please?
[04:09] <TheSheep> Cleric: sure, open the directory where you have the iso file
[04:09] <TheSheep> Cleric: right-click on empty space in that window and select 'open terminal here'
[04:10] <TheSheep> Cleric: now type wodim, the firs few letters of the iso file you want to burn, and hit tabulator key
[04:19] <Cleric> ok just 1 moment
[05:43] <MatBoy> Is there a way to solve the memory card disconnect problem ? I see bugs in the buglists, but no fix for now
[06:22] <user1> how do i make taskbars autohide on only one workspace?
[06:31] <TheSheep> user1: you don't
[06:32] <user1> ugh
[06:32] <user1> xubuntu fails me then
[06:33] <TheSheep> user1: that's horrible
[07:26] <PlayMeNow> hello
[07:26] <PlayMeNow> can anyone help me with keyboard related stuff?
[07:26] <TheSheep> !ask
[07:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:26] <PlayMeNow> I was hoping for the that bot :)
[07:27] <PlayMeNow> anyway, on ubuntu, I can use the volume keys on my keyboard to change the master volume
[07:27] <PlayMeNow> but on xubuntu it doesn't work out of the box, what should I do?
[07:28] <TheSheep> PlayMeNow: can you bind commands to them in settings->keyboard settings?
[07:28] <PlayMeNow> let's try
[07:30] <PlayMeNow> yep
[07:30] <PlayMeNow> what are the commands for vol-up and vol-down?
[07:30] <TheSheep> PlayMeNow: lets see
[07:31] <TheSheep> PlayMeNow: amixer with various options
[07:32] <ActySofts> found it on the forums
[07:36] <ActySofts> zorg?
[07:36] <ActySofts> oops wrong window
[07:36] <ActySofts> Thanks for the help
[07:36] <TheSheep> amixer -- sset Master playback -10dB
[07:37] <TheSheep> something like this works for me
[08:19] <MatBoy> I need a fix form my unexpected stroage disconnect using sdcards :(
[08:33] <nikolam> Hello
[08:33] <nikolam> Does anyone use UDF file system
[08:34] <nikolam> On CD-RW, DVD+-RW and DVD-RAM?
[08:34] <nikolam> I am trying to make udf disks in Xubuntu 7.04 64 bit and use them on other systems and and also to use udf`s from other systems.
[08:35] <nikolam> i tryed to use only 2.0x version of UDF but with no luck with use of Linux formated UDFs, even on the same Linux installarion as normal read-write file systems
[08:35] <nikolam> !udf
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <MatBoy> !hal
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <Rampi^^> sup
[08:52] <Rampi^^> i got kernel probs when i press start och install with cd can someone help
[08:53] <Rampi^^> first time i use xubuntu
[08:53] <Rampi^^> someone that can help
[08:54] <nikolam> Rampi^^: What start?
[08:55] <nikolam> You are installing after boot of Xubuntu CD?
[08:55] <Rampi^^> start with cd
[08:55] <Rampi^^> no
[08:55] <Rampi^^> i cant even boot
[08:55] <nikolam> Ahh, you need to make shure you set it up in BIOS settings that machine can boot from CD drive
[08:55] <Rampi^^> it boots
[08:56] <Rampi^^> but
[08:56] <Rampi^^> i cant
[08:56] <nikolam> It is the same like installing any other OS
[08:56] <Rampi^^> start with cd
[08:56] <vinze> Try typing your whole sentence on one line ;-)
[08:56] <Rampi^^> hehe
[08:56] <nikolam> Did you download Alternate CD to install system on HD or Live CD of Xubuntu?
[08:57] <Rampi^^> it comes a text den i must reboot the computer
[08:57] <Rampi^^> then
[08:57] <Rampi^^> *
[08:57] <nikolam> You should partition your drive space and make some room for xubuntu to be able to install
[08:57] <vinze> Rampi^^, do you mean you can't boot from CD?
[08:57] <Rampi^^> yes
[08:57] <nikolam> Linux needs separate partition(s) on your HDD to be able to install
[08:58] <vinze> Rampi^^, and have you set it in the BIOS or something?
[08:58] <nikolam> Rampi: Look at your motherboard manual how to enter and set BIOS settings and then watch if ti ask you something during boot, to press to boot from CD. Also check CD for defects.
[08:59] <Rampi^^> you now when you put the cd then it comes some option... i pres start or install with cd .. for me when i press that i get a long long text
[08:59] <Rampi^^> it is not the cd
[08:59] <vinze> OK, so you do get the menu of the CD...
[08:59] <Rampi^^> yes
[08:59] <vinze> And have you waited for that text to disappear and the LiveCD environment to appear?
[08:59] <nikolam> Well, select installation in menu and go to the next step
[09:00] <vinze> nikolam, he hasn't even seen his desktop
[09:00] <nikolam> I dont see desktop eather, I use alternate CD :)
[09:00] <Rampi^^> vinze has it
[09:01] <Rampi^^> http://www.fuskbugg.se/pub/misc/Ubuntu.JPG look
[09:01] <Rampi^^> you see
[09:02] <nikolam> Rampi^^: what hardware do you use?
[09:02] <Rampi^^> how do i know
[09:02] <Rampi^^> ?
[09:02] <Rampi^^> xD
[09:02] <vinze> Rampi^^, hmm... Yeah, that doesn't look perfectly well (but what would you expect if the splash screen doesn't appear :/) but perhaps it was still booting.
[09:03] <nikolam> Rampi^^: How you dont know what type of machine you use?
[09:03] <Rampi^^> celeron
[09:03] <Rampi^^> laptop
[09:03] <nikolam> Rampi^^: What model/name processor, chipset graphics ETC
[09:04] <Rampi^^> (CPU) 1-Intel Celeron M processor 1500MHz, 1496MHz, 0KB (0% Load) .:. (RAM) usage: 166/191MB (86.91%) .:. (GFX) VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP, (Display) 1024x768/32bit/60Hz
[09:04] <Rampi^^> (OS) Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), (installed for) 31w 4d 21h 17m, (uptime) 9h 46m 5s .:. (HDDs) 11.8GB/37.2GB(31.8%) free
[09:04] <nikolam> If it is from 2007 and it is Santa Rosa laptop, there could be some problems with default Ubuntu kernel i 7.04
[09:04] <nikolam> however, 7.10 that will be released in about 10 days from now will boot OK.
[09:05] <Rampi^^> ok
[09:05] <nikolam> But that is for Intel chipsets
[09:05] <nikolam> i see you have Via
[09:05] <nikolam> So thats not the case..
[09:06] <Rampi^^> so is it a beta version out?
[09:06] <nikolam> Are you shure you downloaded right .iso? Beacouse there are i386, amd64 and ppc images..
[09:06] <Rampi^^> i downloaded the right
[09:06] <nikolam> beta is out but it is still testing version
[09:07] <nikolam> But you can try it.
[09:07] <Rampi^^> yes :P
[09:07] <nikolam> ALSO
[09:07] <Rampi^^> i have cd-rw so it is not a prob
[09:07] <nikolam> you can try using Alternete CD download.
[09:07] <nikolam> Of 7.04 Xubuntu
[09:08] <vinze> *Of* or *or*?
[09:08] <Rampi^^> do i install from det destop
[09:08] <nikolam> Alternate does not have GUI but only text installer and inknown to install much more often with no problems
[09:08] <Rampi^^> desktop
[09:08] <nikolam> I always use alternate CD for install. And I recommend it for install on HD
[09:09] <Rampi^^> but maybe i install then get the kerne prob xD becaus i cant see the desktop now
[09:09] <vinze> nikolam, but a LiveCD is useful for testing whether all your hardware is recognised
[09:09] <Rampi^^> can i have the beta version link
[09:10] <nikolam> vinze: OK, if you got bandwith to spare for both alternate and live cd
[09:10] <vinze> Rampi^^, looking it up now ;-)
[09:10] <Rampi^^> ok ty
[09:10] <nikolam> Rampi^^: it is not listed as beta on xubuntu.org
[09:10] <vinze> Rampi^^, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/beta/
[09:10] <Rampi^^> ty
[09:10] <nikolam> You can look at it on one of the mirrors
[09:12] <Rampi^^> ok ty cya i will test
[09:27] <user2> how do i record what my sound card is playing to file?
[09:36] <minisrule192> hi
[09:39] <minisrule192> Two users walked into a bar, /quit and /exit... /exit got bored and walked out, who was left?
[10:15] <cistein> how much space a fresh install takes?
[10:22] <cistein> ?
[10:23] <wbadger> .
[10:26] <cistein> > cistein>	how much space a fresh install takes?
[10:26] <wbadger> sorry I don't know
[10:27] <cistein> no problem :)
[10:31] <TheSheep> wbadger: I think about 2GB
[10:31] <wbadger> you mean cistein
[10:31] <TheSheep> wbadger: ah, yes, sorry
[10:32] <cistein> TheSheep: thanks ..
[11:20] <hyper__ch> !superkaramba
[11:20] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[11:45] <brohan> Hey, I've got a slight issue talking to my print server
[11:46] <brohan> That is, its configured with a default gateway other than mine; I'm not a networking guru so it's hard
[11:46] <brohan> So, talking to it is difficult
[11:47] <brohan> I have a feeling the route command might open up the communication, though I'm not sure how