[01:21] <VousDeux> Assid, okay, maybe it's one of those situations where some update has broken something that will be fixed next update
[01:21] <filthpig> Assid, sounds weird, ipw2200 has been supported for ages
[01:22] <filthpig> Assid, it's a very common card, have you checked the launchpad for bug reports?
[01:22] <VousDeux> Assid, I wish I could be more helpful, but I'm not an expert...what you were describing just sounded familiar, so I thought maybe I could just toss out a couple of ideas and maybe something would ring a bell
[01:23] <Assid> okay wait.. apparently it catches it..
[01:23] <Assid> BUT.. it doesnt let me get onto the network
[01:24] <Assid> filthpig: 2100
[01:24] <filthpig> Assid, what does sudo iwconfig show you?
[01:24] <savvas> It shows me I need a wireless router :)
[01:24] <uga> bascule: not sure what you mean... you want to set the top level directory? it's in the settings?
[01:25] <uga> bascule: not sure if it does recursing though
[01:25] <sinX_> where's the default html home page file for firefox located?
[01:25] <savvas> um do you know any wireless routers with open source drivers? I'm interested in netgear
[01:26] <bascule> uga: it doesn't seem to, I have all my stuff in artist/album folders, set the top level it shows nothing, realy don't want to add ~900 2 deep folders to that gui :)
[01:26] <savvas> !wifi
[01:26] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:26] <uga> bascule: all mldonkey settings are in settings->configure mldonkey (not kmldonkey)
[01:26] <bascule> ah
[01:27] <uga> I don't see any setting for that though
[01:27] <sinX_> the Ubuntu page that is set as deafult in firefox, anyone know what directory it's in?
[01:28] <filthpig> savvas, Linksys have a few Linux-based routers
[01:29] <Assid> filthpig: okay i got it working
[01:29] <Assid> i have no idea what
[01:29] <Assid> it just started
[01:29] <filthpig> :)
[01:29] <filthpig> nice
[01:29] <shadylookin> has anyone else had problems with the partitioner not working and keeping them from installing the beta?
[01:29] <filthpig> well ubuntu is supposed to "just work", so be happy!
[01:29] <filthpig> :p
[01:29] <bascule> uga: doesn't allow it, guess I'll just do some rarities
[01:30] <filthpig> I guess it just started working for you, then :p
[01:30] <uga> vmlinuz`: weird. I was completely sure that konsole had a way to restore a screen session, but... I can't find the way, heh
[01:30] <VousDeux> I sure would like to know what makes the Power Manager start freaking out all of a sudden...it doesn't matter if I'm plugged or unplugged, it just doesn't seem to be reliable
[01:30] <sinX_>  the Ubuntu page that is set as deafult in firefox, anyone know what directory it's in?
[01:30] <filthpig> Gutsy is the first release that got me wified out-of-the-box
[01:30] <Metasploit> broadcom huh?
[01:31] <uga> bascule: heh
[01:31] <Assid> hrmm
[01:31] <filthpig> Metasploit, talking to me?
[01:31] <Assid> adept package manager wont start
[01:31] <Assid> freaking odd
[01:31] <VousDeux> I'll be sitting here plugged in, when all of a sudden Power Manager will decide that my power has been unplugged, then it will start flopping between plugged and unplugged mode
[01:31] <Metasploit> yea.  just a guessing though
[01:32] <filthpig> Metasploit, I have a linksys, actually. WUSB54GC
[01:32] <jayHat> Will Gobuntu be released the same day as Gusty?
[01:32] <VousDeux> when that happens, all I can do is close the Power Manager, then I cannot adjust the brightness until I reboot and launch Power Manager again
[01:33] <uga> Assid: does it say any error when running adept_manager on a terminal?
[01:33] <VousDeux> when I am unplugged, sometimes will decide my battery is dead when in reality I still have another hour
[01:33] <Metasploit> i mean the card on your computer.  everyone at work has been waiting for gutsy for the broadcom support.
[01:33] <Assid> dunno didnt try that
[01:33] <VousDeux> and even when I'm unplugged it can't seem to reliably determine if I'm plugged or not
[01:33] <Assid> but if i run adept updater
[01:33] <Assid> it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
[01:34] <Assid> it shows the laoding.. the icon bouncing up and down
[01:34] <Assid> and then nothing shows up
[01:34] <fluffman> so until I upgraded to Xubuntu Gutsy, anyone on this computer was able to login by clicking their name/face, like in XP.  I know I had to edit something in /etc/pam.d, but I can't find the website from before.
[01:34] <filthpig> Assid, http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1133202177241&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=7724139789B10
[01:34] <VousDeux> !power
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <filthpig> friggin long url, but that's a good open sourced router from Linksys
[01:35] <fluffman> anyone know how to get password-less logins?
[01:35] <Assid> uga: kdesu adept_updater   -- sudo timestamp too much in future
[01:35] <Assid> wtf ?
[01:35] <Assid> filthpig:  aint changing my router
[01:36] <VousDeux> with each daily update, I keep hoping the Power Manager will be fixed
[01:36] <philip> how often to we sync with debian unstable?
[01:37] <mrcheeks> Hi everybody I have issues with ubuntu gutsy. It's the only distro with debian that dare install on my asus quad core. Everytime I start gnome I need to run metacity --replace& for metacity to run. My driver "intel" still doesn't work with xorg after a recent upgrade. Any ideas?
[01:37] <beerfa1> fluffman: system > admin > login window prefs (security tab)
[01:37] <uga> Assid: ouch!
[01:37] <uga> Assid: you have recently readjusted the time on your system?
[01:38] <Assid> just installed the system
[01:39] <uga> Assid: try sudo -K
[01:39] <uga> it looks like some file was created with a date/time in the future with respect to the date time you have right now
[01:41] <Assid> stupid thing
[01:41] <Assid> it was just online
[01:41] <fluffman> beerfa1: that will enable auto login
[01:41] <Assid> i rebooted.. and now it wotn go back online
[01:41] <fluffman> but not passwordless for multiple users
[01:42] <mrcheeks> any opinions or place I could look for my metacity/xorg issues?
[01:42] <fluffman> well let me try something, brb
[01:42] <wood1> hello guys, when i get compiz to work on gutsy, every 10 to 20 seconds the screen blinks... can someone help me fix this?
[01:43] <VousDeux> Assid, my wifi is flaky too...that's one of the things on my list I have not been able to find help with...mine will be working just fine when suddenly it will drop the connection and I cannot reconnect again until I reboot
[01:44] <patty> well, have you tried modprobing the module?
[01:44] <patty> unloading and then reloading it?
[01:44] <VousDeux> Assid, sometimes I am able to disable/enable the wlan0 interface and it will start working again, but usually I cannot get it to enable after I disable it
[01:44] <savvas> mrcheeks: maybe you could report a bug for the drivers: http://bugs.ubuntu.com - for the metacity thing, try disable compiz: system > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[01:45] <Assid> how do i make it a system connection
[01:45] <Assid> so i dont have to login from network manager?
[01:45] <fluffman> beerfa1: no dice
[01:46] <patty> hey, i've got an emerald question.  is there any way to make the automatic fetching of themes work?  i can't get emerald to load any of the themes i do download, or do pretty much anything else for that matter.  it's pretty good at ignoring everything i tell it
[01:48] <wood1> where can i change the servers i use to download applications?
[01:49] <patty> for example - my text is determined to be white.  i can change it to black, but it does nothing.  other things in the same interfact create noticeable reatcions
[01:49] <VousDeux> wood1, adept or synaptic?
[01:50] <tretle> anyone lse here using gutsy 64bit version
[01:50] <tretle> ?
[01:50] <VousDeux> tretle, I am
[01:50] <tretle> in the places menu is desktop duplicated?
[01:50] <VousDeux> tretle, oh, I'm using Kubuntu
[01:51] <tekhawk> so is it safe for nvidia users on amd64 before i start downloading updates for today lol
[01:51] <james_xxx> i am running into some problems upgrading to gutsy.... things seem right now to be hanging up while trying to install'guidance-backends'... saying that it has a problem with a 'broken pipe'... any suggestions?
[01:51] <usser> tekhawk: yep
[01:51] <usser> tekhawk: it works now
[01:51] <tekhawk> usser: thank you
[01:52] <VousDeux> I have a 32-bit version of Ubuntu in VMware, but I still need to recompile VMware since the recent kernel update
[01:52] <VousDeux> tekhawk, as far as I know, all of the issues were resolved this morning
[01:52] <tretle> can anyone clarify this bug?
[01:52] <Konam> the gnome splash isn't working here, is only me?
[01:53] <tekhawk> VousDeux: thank you
[01:54] <VousDeux> does anyone have any ideas where I could look for help with the Power Manager?
[01:54] <james_xxx> if anyone read my post, here is some of what i am running into: http://pastebin.com/d21e4cd0
[01:56] <VousDeux> I love the wheel on this mouse, it turns free so I can give it a good flick and it will keep turning for a little while
[01:57] <james_xxx> :-(
[01:58] <savvas> james_xxx: looks like file conflict or something
[01:59] <VousDeux> !help
[01:59] <savvas>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes', which is also in package kde-guidance
[01:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:59] <VousDeux> is there a site more directly associated with Gutsy than help.ubuntu.com?
[02:00] <savvas> wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:00] <savvas> ubuntuforums.org
[02:00] <savvas> launchpad.net ;)
[02:01] <james_xxx> savvas: would you have a suggestion what i coud do?
[02:02] <savvas> james_xxx: doesn't kde-guidance help you with that?
[02:02] <james_xxx> sawas
[02:03] <james_xxx> sawas: what do you mean? installing kde-guidance?
[02:03] <savvas> I'd say you already have it :)
[02:03] <savvas> try it
[02:03] <james_xxx> i know..... how does it help?
[02:03] <savvas> sudo apt-get install kde-guidance
[02:03] <savvas> no idea
[02:03] <savvas> what are you trying to do?
[02:04] <james_xxx> well, i think kde-guidance depends on guidance-backends which will not install
[02:04] <savvas> you have KDE right?
[02:04] <james_xxx> i am trying to upgrade to gutsy beta
[02:04] <savvas> kubuntu/ubuntu?
[02:04] <james_xxx> kubunt
[02:04] <james_xxx> kubuntu*
[02:05] <savvas> guidance-backends
[02:05] <savvas> Conflicts: python2.4-iconvcodec, guidance-backends (<< 0.8.0svn20070727-0ubuntu4), kde-guidance-powermanager (<< 0.8.0-1ubuntu6)
[02:05] <savvas>   Installed: 0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu4
[02:05] <savvas> hah
[02:05] <savvas> weird
[02:06] <savvas> james_xxx: I'd suggest that you file a bug at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[02:06] <Ximal> Help Please , I need to get the system to redetect my nvidia card. It suggested which driver to use upon boot after installation but I hadn't run the initial patch phase of the system that you normally get after installing gutsy
[02:06] <savvas> there is a temporary way to go through, but it's risky, it could break a lot of stuff
[02:06] <james_xxx> i can do that, but it probably means that this install is now trashed
[02:06] <Ximal> would anyone mind telling me how ? I found the nvidia install packages using add/remove but I don't want to install the wrong one.. last time my vid card burned out on me
[02:07] <savvas> james_xxx: try: sudo apt-get remove kde-guidance
[02:07] <savvas> it could do the trick
[02:07] <Ximal> anyone please ?
[02:07] <james_xxx> sawas: will do, brb
[02:08] <savvas> Ximal: system > admin > restricted drivers manager
[02:09] <james_xxx> sawas: http://pastebin.com/d7c5cdc7e
[02:09] <Ximal> savvas : kindly enough put . thank you . I just have a problem navigating what you just told me.. I'm used to windows after not using linux since redhat 6.2
[02:10] <Ximal> it's been over 8 years.. so I'm haven't trouble remembering everything... so maybe you might not mind guiding me to what you just said..
[02:10] <h1st0> Ximal: what kind of video card do you have?
[02:10] <Ximal> nvidia
[02:10] <savvas> Ximal: do you have ubuntu or kubuntu installed?
[02:10] <h1st0> Ximal: He was saying to click on System then Administration then Restricted Drivers manager
[02:10] <Ximal> but it did a pop up.. ubuntu when i did initial boot..
[02:10] <Ximal> showing me WHICH driver to use rather than making me guess... meaning they've added support for my 3d part
[02:11] <Ximal> ahh
[02:11] <Ximal> i think i got it using savvas' advice
[02:11] <Ximal> 1 moment please guys..
[02:11] <squidy> hello.. does anyone here use Kubuntu gutsy and compiz-fusion successfully?
[02:11] <Ximal> it says it's downloading the package files now
[02:11] <savvas> take ur time :)
[02:11] <h1st0> Ximal: you should be good to go after restarting gui
[02:12] <squidy> i'm having an error message when i try to run compiz --replace.. :(
[02:12] <Ximal> i owe you guys.. which means once i become more versed.. i'll help too ;)
[02:12] <Ximal> going to reboot
[02:12] <Ximal> may be back afterwords..
[02:12] <Ximal> thanks guys
[02:12] <squidy> however when i was using feisty it was working
[02:13] <savvas> james_xxx: want to try the risky way?
[02:13] <clusty> any advice on how to start diagnosing whats wrong with my suspend?
[02:14] <james_xxx> sawas: what does it matter. right now this system is trsh
[02:14] <james_xxx> trash*
[02:14] <savvas> james_xxx: it'd be better if you report the bug and wait to be more sure if you ask me, but anyway
[02:14] <savvas> james_xxx: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:16] <h1st0> clusty: is it a laptop?
[02:16] <h1st0> clusty: typically you would start looking in /var/log/syslog etc...
[02:16] <james_xxx> sawas: i am backing up my home dir, then i will give it a shot
[02:16] <DanaG> bug 121833
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[02:16] <DanaG> yeeargh!
[02:17] <clusty> h1st0, yeap. laptop
[02:17] <savvas> james_xxx: go ahead, smart move :)
[02:17] <h1st0> clusty: you may want to check the bugs on launchpad I saw someone in the forums complaining about suspend
[02:18] <clusty> h1st0, its a one year old laptop or so
[02:18] <clusty> manufactured
[02:18] <DanaG> I have nvidia; I had to disable POST and enable SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE
[02:18] <clusty> h1st0, it does not even fall alseep
[02:18] <clusty> using gutsy though :(
[02:19] <savvas> clusty: did it work in feisty?
[02:19] <DanaG> Oddly enough, suspend now works better in Linux than in Windows.
[02:19] <clusty> savvas, never had feisty with this laptop
[02:20] <clusty> savvas, works for a buddy that is on feisty
[02:20] <clusty> savvas, almost same hardware
[02:20] <Ximal> hi guys
[02:20] <Ximal> thanks
[02:20] <savvas> that some hardware might cause the problem clusty
[02:21] <clusty> savvas, laptop has intel 950 and nvidia card. tried both
[02:21] <clusty> savvas, in the past cards were causing trouble
[02:21] <Ximal> no big errors yet... is there anyway to install a vob reader ? I use my windows to decrypt vob files off of my movies but i can't get them to play in buntu ? any idea(s) ?
[02:21] <Ximal> I was also curious how to install a flash player for firefox in ubtunu ?
[02:21] <clusty> Ximal, mplayer not working with vobs?
[02:21] <Ximal> narh... not yet m8..
[02:22] <Ximal> But it's a decrypted file from the Condemned movie..
[02:22] <clusty> Ximal, try vlc then
[02:22] <Ximal> vlc ?
[02:22] <clusty> video lan codec
[02:22] <usser> !vlc > Ximal
[02:22] <usser> arrg
[02:22] <usser> !vlc
[02:22] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[02:22] <clusty> or some stuff like that
[02:22] <Ximal> ok but i don't know how to get the VLC player.. i can't find it in ADD/Remove ?
[02:23] <usser> Ximal: yes
[02:23] <ratpoison> ximal, you can!
[02:23] <Ximal> what division of things would it be under in add remove ?
[02:23] <usser> yes u can
[02:23] <savvas> Ximal: about the flash player, did you install the desktop using i386 or amd64 iso ?
[02:23] <DanaG> Wait, a laptop that has both Intel and NVIDIA? Where do you find such a thing?
[02:23] <Ximal> savvas : just pentium generics  .. It's a dell pc with a pentium capable of multithreading
[02:23] <ratpoison> Ximal: just type vlc on the search bar
[02:24] <savvas> ratpoison: did you fix that graphics problem? :)
[02:24] <clusty> DanaG, sony makes em
[02:24] <Ximal> There is no matching application available.
[02:24] <Ximal> To broaden your search, choose "All available applications" or "All Open Source applications".
[02:24] <clusty> :D
[02:24] <Ximal> that's what i got
[02:24] <clusty> DanaG, you can flip a switch and at boottime you can choose what you want
[02:24] <ratpoison> savvas: well I did :) it was just as the ubotu said: if you update your kernel you have to tell the new kernel that you have restricted drivers
[02:25] <Ximal> nm... found it i think
[02:25] <Ximal> brb
[02:25] <clusty> is this some elite chanell btw? :D
[02:25] <mirak> hi
[02:25] <ratpoison> so I unchecked / checked the box on restricted drivers manager and then everything was working ok
[02:25] <clusty> cause its way less traffic
[02:25] <clusty> and ppl are more helpfull
[02:25] <Ximal> curious guys... Does Dvd95 actually convert files from a video_ts folder into a iso file to burn as a dvd ? just a quick curiousity
[02:25] <clusty> :D
[02:25] <vmlinuz`> anybody here uses Banshee?
[02:26] <mirak> why sudo doens't have a vista style acces grant ?
[02:26] <mirak> as a possibility
[02:26] <clusty> vmlinuz`, i am trying to bear with banshee
[02:26] <savvas> Ximal: go to the menu: system > admininistration > software sources and there check these: (main) (universe) (multiverse) (restricted) and press "close"
[02:26] <ratpoison> mirak: what do you mean? I've never used vista
[02:26] <vmlinuz`> clusty: when its in system tray, and i put my mousehover on it and use scroll.. it switches songs.. i want scroll to change volume.. searched everywhere and didnt find how to modify that. do u know?
[02:27] <savvas> Ximal: this is to get more applications available, somehow the main repository doesn't have all of them :)
[02:27] <mirak> ratpoison: instead of having to enter your password a popup comes and just ask you if you want to execute the command as root
[02:27] <mirak> I am fed up entering my password
[02:27] <clusty> vmlinuz`, no idea :D/ so far i am fighting with it to play all my mp3's
[02:27] <clusty> vmlinuz`, from time to time it just hangs on certain mp3's
[02:27] <mirak> and I don't want to put my sudo always passwordless
[02:27] <Ximal> ahh .. and savvas those options were generically selected
[02:27] <savvas> ratpoison: sometimes the obvious solutions work better :P
[02:28] <savvas> great Ximal, didn't know :)
[02:28] <Ximal> it seems the nvidia is working because... the screen is working faster.. I'll know just how good the driver is momentarily ;) whenever i play the video file using the ntfs partition from windows.. ( chose dual boot install and converted extra space left from the hd to install buntu () :)
[02:28] <savvas> clusty: what player?
[02:28] <clusty> savvas, banshee
[02:29] <mirak> why there is not a version of nautilus with tracker integrated as search engine ?
[02:29] <vmlinuz`> clusty: hangs? Thats weird. never happened to me
[02:29] <Ximal> savvas : curious .. How did you say I could install a flash player such as adobe ?
[02:29] <ratpoison> mirak: sudo saves your password for like a quarter of an hour. also you can also type in the terminal sudo su BUT if you have to ask why you have to give your password everytime you are doing admin tasks, you probably should
[02:30] <james_xxx> sawas: ok it looks like this installation is trashed..... i wonder if i should re-install feisty, or go for a gutsy-beta install
[02:30] <savvas> Ximal: easy, go here: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ - ubuntu gutsy gibbon should pop up and ask you to install a missing plugin, or something like that
[02:30] <contrast83> personally, i think entering the password every time is a good thing - it gives you a second to *think* and realize you could bork your system, whereas just clicking "OK" doesn't.
[02:31] <Ximal> just so you know.. savvas ... the video player is working.. u guys helped alot..t hanks so much ;)
[02:31] <clusty> contrast83, i am soo with you on this one...
[02:31] <clusty> Ximal, vlc?
[02:31] <savvas> james_xxx: did you do that command?
[02:31] <Ximal> yeah vlc is a godsend
[02:31] <Ximal> no distortion from the vob files ;)
[02:31] <james_xxx> savvas:  i did, no luck
[02:32] <ratpoison> contrast83: my point exactly sometimes it might be very tedious to prepend sudo every single time, but you should be really really really careful when you use sudo su
[02:32] <mirak> ratpoison: what's the problem ? I want to have to enter my password for exemple the first time I use sudo today, and for lets say 6 hours, I will not have to enter it again. I will just have to click on yes/cancel to have the admin rights and the 15 minutes without beeing prompted yes/no or a password
[02:32] <Ximal> the website isn't installing the adobe plugin
[02:32] <savvas> james_xxx: after that do this: sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:32] <Ximal> i can download the actual tar file but not the other ones
[02:32] <Ximal> anyone mind showing me how to run through the installation via tar ?
[02:33] <james_xxx> savvas: still no go
[02:33] <savvas> hm
[02:33] <clusty> Ximal, do aptitude update && sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:33] <clusty> Ximal, google is your friend D:
[02:33] <m1ke> Does anyone know how to get a 360 wireless controller to work in Gusty?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Ximal,  insdtalling what? flash? thats a simple apt-get
[02:33] <contrast83> mirak: There are other distros that let you log into X as root (which is very dangerous). I *think* you can enable this on *Ubuntu, someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
[02:33] <savvas> i thought ubuntu handled that with a dialog
[02:33] <james_xxx> i do wonder if ralink wireless is working in gutsy...
[02:34] <savvas> james_xxx: then no idea man, if that didn't work, well.. :\
[02:34] <Dr_willis> ubuntu-restricted-extras - Commonly used restricted package   will install a lot of that stuff. :) java, flash, some others...
[02:34] <mirak> contrast83: I don't want to log in X as root. don't say what I didn't asked
[02:34] <Ximal> i'm saying guys .. I'm completely out of my element... what you tell me to do takes me a while to compute..
[02:34] <ratpoison> mirak: well consider this: if you use sudo once and not required to do so for 6 hours, then anyone who can login to your system in that period has admin priviledges
[02:34] <ratpoison> that IS a bad idea
[02:34] <contrast83> mirak: I'm not. Just saying that's the closest thing available to what you're asking for, AFAIK.
[02:34] <Ximal> i don't know what aptitude update means for example/../
[02:35] <james_xxx> savvas: yeah, i have already given up on saving this install. i have not done a fresh installation on this lappy in a long time, so it look like no is the time
[02:35] <DanaG> Wait, did somebody say my name?
[02:35] <mirak> ratpoison: yes, but I don't care for my home computer. I don't ask that it's the default. It's just there is not this possibility at all.
[02:35] <james_xxx> savvas: would you say that installing gutsy beta fresh would be  alright?
[02:36] <savvas> Ximal: give me a sec
[02:36] <squidy> Are there any compiz-fusion repositories except the official from canonical?
[02:36] <squidy> for gutsy...
[02:36] <Ximal> i'm searching flash in add remove
[02:37] <Ximal> found gnash
[02:37] <contrast83> squidy: Nope. There are about a million GIT scripts out there that make compiling it a breeze though. :-)
[02:37] <Ximal> can we use add/remove to open files we downloaded to assist in package installs ?
[02:37] <Ximal> i just thought of that ?
[02:37] <mirak> contrast83: not really, the closest thing is an intermediate between entering the password each time, and having sudo passwordless all the time. the problem with passwordless even actually in ubuntu during 15 minutes, is that any application that you run during this time could trash your computer, since it can acces anything as root. At least a popup that ask yes/cancel is safer than this because it needs a human intervention.
[02:37] <savvas> Ximal: macromedia flash plugin should be there
[02:38] <Ximal> you know.. kindof like when mandrake instituted automated rpm install program s?
[02:38] <savvas> Ximal: don't tinker with gnash, it's not done yet :)
[02:38] <squidy> contrast83, ok.. the compiz from conanical isn't working here (kubuntu) :(
[02:38] <ratpoison> prepending sudo IS human intervention
[02:38] <Ximal> savvas : found it.. installing
[02:38] <Ximal> i did install gnash but didn't alter it ..
[02:38] <contrast83> squidy: Not sure. I compile, no problems here.
[02:38] <ratpoison> you could just change how long your system remembers your password
[02:38] <Ximal> is that ok ? the thing i did with gnash ?
[02:39] <squidy> contrast83, are you using kubuntu gutsy with compiz working successfully?
[02:39] <contrast83> squidy: Want a good how-to for doing that?
[02:39] <Ximal> uh oh
[02:39] <savvas> Ximal: I'd suggest that you uncheck and remove it for now, until you get used to playing around with packages
[02:39] <mirak> ratpoison: no it's not. I can do a script with sudo rm -fr / in it and if I run it without knowing it, it's over.
[02:39] <Ximal> I"M all happy now.. I got it working ;)
[02:39] <contrast83> squidy: Yep
[02:39] <savvas> Ximal: I mean the gnash
[02:40] <DanaG> I'll gnash you!  (joke.)
[02:40] <Ximal> hmm
[02:40] <Ximal> ok
[02:40] <Ximal> thanks savvy
[02:40] <Ximal> heh... i made a funny
[02:40] <squidy> contrast83, have you got a good howto for that?
[02:40] <DanaG> It's a generic "I'll <blank> you!"
[02:40] <savvas> :)
[02:40] <ratpoison> well if you run it withouth knowing that and that alone excludes the human intervention
[02:40] <contrast83> squidy: one sec...
[02:40] <squidy> thanks
[02:40] <mirak> ratpoison: what ?
[02:41] <savvas> Ximal: go to page http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ again, the flash part (not the shockwave part) should be working
[02:41] <ratpoison> human intervention I think would be "to do an actions willingly, being aware of the concequences"
[02:41] <contrast83> squidy: Before you go through the trouble of compiling, what's the exact problem with C-F?
[02:41] <mirak> ratpoison: what I mean is that actually I could run whatever script that come from anywhere and put all the system at stake without even giving this programm root acces intentionnaly.
[02:41] <savvas> Ximal: you have to restart the browser (mozilla firefox) to take effect by the way
[02:42] <ratpoison> well running a script withouth knowing what it does is a bad idea
[02:42] <Ximal> just curious... and yeah i know the restart effects and play thing
[02:42] <DanaG> Funny thing in console:
[02:42] <mirak> ratpoison: so you can't use that as an argument to say that a popup asking yes/cancel would be less safer
[02:42] <DanaG> sudo something.  Close gnome-terminal.  Open gnome-terminal.  Sudo something.
[02:42] <DanaG> The second one doesn't prompt for password.
[02:43] <ratpoison> actually it is: how many vista users do you know that are aware of the risks of running things as admin
[02:43] <DanaG> I actually like it if it's within, say, 2.5 seconds -- then it's like an "oops, I didn't mean to close that!" solution.
[02:43] <DanaG> However, any longer than that, and it becomes a vulnerability.
[02:43] <savvas> DanaG: try it again with a latent period of 10 minutes between the closing/opening
[02:43] <mirak> DanaG: you can set that behavior
[02:43] <Ximal> well savvas .. it's all working just about perfect..
[02:43] <Ximal> sound .. video ... etc
[02:44] <Ximal> now.. if my laptop would work... i'd be in heaven .. you know... the wireless internet card issue
[02:44] <cdm10> I'm having a problem with Miro. I can't play h.264 with it. I seem to have the h.264 codec installed for Totem, but I'm not sure what I need to do to get it to work with Miro.
[02:44] <savvas> Ximal: if you want more restricted "toys" you can try installing ubuntu extras (search in add/remove)
[02:45] <mirak> DanaG: that's why I don't understand why sudo doensn't have the option to be able to say yes/cancel before doing a sudo operation. THat's an intermediate between having no password for sudo, and having it all the time.
[02:45] <Ximal> haha .. your going to tempt me till i crash the pc m8..
[02:45] <Ximal> i know you are.. haha
[02:45] <savvas> Ximal: I'm just showing you the real thing, step by step :)
[02:45] <Ximal> now .. if i could get guildwars to run in buntu .. i'd be in heaven m8..
[02:46] <savvas> mmm sorry, not a gaming/wine expert :)
[02:46] <DanaG> But here's confirmation in Vista, for deleting something from All Users desktop.
[02:46] <squidy> contrast83, take a look: http://www.pastebin.ca/728123
[02:47] <DanaG> You must give permission to delete this.  <press OK.>    Do you give permission?   <yes.>   Are you sure you want to delete this?  <Yes.>
[02:47] <DanaG> And then if you're unlucky, such as in system folders, you then get "Access Denied!"
[02:47] <Ximal> oh yeah... firewall and security ...
[02:47] <Ximal> how do i protect my o/s from incoming attempts ?
[02:48] <Ximal> and an anti-virus thing too..
[02:48] <pqnet> please can someone help with my problem? All gnome menu entries are gone, so I cannot start any application anymore
[02:49] <pqnet> when I click on "Applications" it shows an empty menu!!!
[02:49] <squidy> contrast83, weird, isn't it?
[02:49] <james_xxx> savvas: would you guess that a fresh gutsy beta install would work fairly well?
[02:49] <ratpoison> Ximal: about guild wars http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7530
[02:49] <Ximal> thanks rat
[02:50] <contrast83> squidy: Could you paste your xorg.conf?
[02:50] <ratpoison> james_xxx: no one can guarantee you that beta will work.... but if you want my personal experience, I have had minimal problems.
[02:50] <squidy> contrast83, sure.. however, i was using feisty with the same xorg.conf and it was working...
[02:50] <ratpoison> and I've been using it since alpha 5
[02:50] <contrast83> squidy: BTW, here's that guide - http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985
[02:50] <Ximal> wow
[02:50] <Ximal> if i can play guildwars and use linux.. i'm never leaving the community again.. haha
[02:51] <james_xxx> ratpoison: ty, i am going for it... i found a super fast mirror and am about finished downloading it
[02:51] <Ximal> ratpoison : do you need to install the actual guild wars cd ? or can you feed off of a windows partition ?
[02:51] <savvas> Ximal: welcome to communist technology :P (just joking)
[02:52] <ratpoison> Ximal: no idea, I just pointed you to a site that has info
[02:52] <ratpoison> james_xxx: could luck man
[02:52] <contrast83> squidy: I can't guarantee that's gonna solve your problem though
[02:52] <james_xxx> ty
[02:52] <Ximal> aye ... i just need to find the install file... reading now... this will be my last task before i go to sleep ... i got work in about 10 hours
[02:52] <pqnet> please there isn't noone who knows how gnome configuration works
[02:52] <pqnet> ?
[02:52] <ratpoison> pqnet: what do you mean?
[02:52] <squidy> contrast83, if you would want to see.. my xorg: http://www.pastebin.ca/728466
[02:53] <pqnet> I cannot see any menu entry in gnome
[02:53] <pqnet> but there are .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[02:53] <contrast83> GNOME menu entries are stored in .config/menus, right?
[02:53] <contrast83> err, ~/.config/menus
[02:53] <ratpoison> try alt+f3 main menu and click "run main menu"
[02:54] <ratpoison> launch, sorry
[02:54] <savvas> pqnet: it drops down when you click "applications" and appears completely blank?
[02:54] <pqnet> it drops
[02:54] <pqnet> and blank
[02:54] <squidy> contrast83, that howto is for feisty.. but will it work on gutsy ?
[02:54] <pqnet> the same problem results in a new-created user account, so I think it's a problem i
[02:55] <pqnet> with default settings
[02:55] <savvas> pqnet: hit alt-F2 and try this: killall gnome-panel
[02:55] <Ximal> savvas : ratpoison : How do i download that wine ? i can't figure it out ..
[02:56] <savvas> Ximal: add/remove :)
[02:56] <contrast83> squidy: After looking at your xorg.conf, I'm not really sure tbh. I don't see anything that stands out as a showstopper, but I'm no expert. Sorry. :-\
[02:56] <mirak> DanaG: so ?
[02:57] <squidy> contrast83, ok... thank you.. :)
[02:57] <contrast83> squidy: Yeah, it works on Gutsy. It's what I've used on several Gutsy systems w/o issue.
[02:57] <pqnet> savvas it kills then the manager restart it automatically
[02:57] <contrast83> np
[02:58] <Ximal> add remove isn't let me search
[02:58] <Ximal> do i search for the game or the app name ?
[02:58] <savvas> pqnet: did it fix it?
[02:58] <contrast83> well, i'm out. peace, y'all.
[02:58] <savvas> Ximal: you search for: wine
[02:58] <savvas> Ximal: it should show wine windows emulator
[02:58] <pqnet> contrast83 the problem doesn't manifest if I start the panel without a gnome session, for example stopping gdm and starting X on its own
[02:58] <Ximal> err eww
[02:58] <ratpoison> well, to get you some info: every application has it's own site, that has the most recent version of the programme, which fits for all linux distribution . BUT in most distros there is the add/remove tool or an equivalent that has a collection of easy-to-install programmes, specifically for your distribution, (you are using ubuntu, if you're here). so, if you want to install anything you first take a look at your add/remove tool
[02:58] <pqnet> savvas no, sorry, however I've tried restarting the computer many times
[02:59] <Ximal> i know what a windows emulator is.. bad experience trying to code one for quake back in 98
[02:59] <pqnet> savvas i don't think it would be much gain restarting gnome-panel
[03:00] <savvas> pqnet: a user had the same problem before, someone recommended to remove the .config/ directory from home
[03:00] <ratpoison> Ximal: wine is a "windows emulator" it tries to fake the windows OS. As for how it works I have no idea
[03:00] <savvas> pqnet: better do a backup
[03:01] <ratpoison> Ximal: check out this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283122&highlight=gutsy+guild+wars
[03:01] <Ximal> ahh now to figure out how to change stuff like screensaver things
[03:02] <pqnet> savvas as I said the same problem reportes with a brand new account
[03:02] <savvas> Ximal: everything is in menus: system  > preferences, checkout screensaver there
[03:04] <pqnet> vousdeux how's your problem with touchpad doing?
[03:04] <Ximal> ai.. thanks m8's
[03:04] <savvas> pqnet: as I said, another user had the same situation, I can find and post the logs if you want
[03:05] <savvas> ah wait
[03:05] <savvas> 18:02:15< ReL1K> spr0k3t/savvas, if i create a new user, start menu loads fine, must be my user account that is hosed
[03:05] <savvas> heh
[03:06] <pqnet> savvas as i said removing the whole home won't fix it, I have the same problem with a new user account, with blank home directory
[03:07] <pqnet> savvas it's a system-wide configuration problem
[03:07] <rico_> hi guys. I have no VT. I do ctrl+alt+f1 and I get a blinking cursor. I have /dev/tty1. any clue to why this happens?
[03:07] <savvas> pqnet: I got it the first time, ok
[03:07] <pqnet> savvas i think it's related to gnome setting daemon telling the wrong directory to gnome-panel
[03:10] <savvas> pqnet: try right-click to it
[03:10] <pqnet> done
[03:11] <savvas> pqnet: can you add a new panel?
[03:11] <pqnet> yes I can
[03:11] <savvas> and you can fill it up again?
[03:12] <savvas> try adding a new "menu bar"
[03:12] <clusty> arghhhhhh
[03:12] <clusty> damn banshee
[03:13] <DanaG> my bug: 121833
[03:13] <VousDeux> well, I was hoping that if I rebooted I could let the Power Manager run its course again and I might find something useful in /var/log/, but the only files that were modified near the time it started messing up only have unknown keypress details in them about when I hit 'fn + f3' to disable the touch pad...I'm sure it's unrelated
[03:13] <DanaG> bug 121833
[03:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[03:14] <clusty> any1 using banshee here?
[03:14] <pqnet> savvas I can add a new menu bar, new menu bar old issues: no menu' item
[03:14] <savvas> DanaG: try disabling the screensaver, it's said to have some bugs
[03:14] <VousDeux> is there somewhere else I should be looking for Power Manager related logs?
[03:14] <clusty> how can i cleanup the library of non existing files
[03:16] <savvas> VousDeux: if it's a crash, it should be in /var/crash/ and if it's a log it should be in /var/log/
[03:17] <VousDeux> hmmm....nothing in /var/crash/ either, but I didn't know that, so thanks anyway :)
[03:18] <savvas> pqnet: right click on menu bar and try the "edit menus" option
[03:18] <VousDeux> is it possible to somehow run the power manager in verbose logging mode?
[03:19] <savvas> pqnet: the menu items should be checked under "Show", do you see any of them checked?
[03:19] <savvas> VousDeux: through terminal as far as I know
[03:20] <savvas> VousDeux: you mean this? gnome-power-preferences
[03:20] <VousDeux> I'm using KDE
[03:21] <VousDeux> I'm not sure what program it is...I just know it runs in the tray when I boot and then starts messing up and I have to close it
[03:21] <Ximal> hey guys
[03:22] <Ximal> i can't get wine to open the installer exe file for guild wars...
[03:22] <pqnet> savvas it doesn't fix my problem. Please stop hinting the same thing. I have a different problem.
[03:22] <savvas> VousDeux: ah, sorry, never tried kde
[03:22] <Ximal> is there a reason it's only showing file folders ?
[03:22] <DanaG> It's not the screensaver doing it.  It's definitely a HAL and kernel thing.
[03:23] <pqnet> savvas sorry i read the old message about the old user with the same problem and I thought you were insisting on that idea.. damn scroll bar ;P
[03:23] <gorii> hey guys
[03:23] <savvas> n/p
[03:23] <gorii> during the install process, gparted or whatever the partition program is locks up at 53%
[03:23] <gorii> any clues to what the problem may be?
[03:24] <Ximal> anyone ?
[03:24] <pqnet> savvas back to us: "alacarte" menu editor doesn't start. Python error. I think it's because it cannot find any menu, so it crashes
[03:24] <savvas> Ximal: after install wine, go to the terminal and type: winecfg
[03:24] <VousDeux> I found a powernowd, I wonder if that's in
[03:25] <savvas> pqnet: I think it's time for a bug report :) head to http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <Ximal> cfg'in now
[03:26] <savvas> Ximal: after it opens a new window, close that new window (ok or apply, can't remember)
[03:26] <Ximal> i switched it windows xp
[03:26] <Ximal> but then what ? just hit ok ?
[03:26] <savvas> cool
[03:26] <savvas> yep
[03:27] <savvas> that created the /home/yourusername/.wine directory :)
[03:27] <pqnet> savvas i know something doesn't work, I think it's about "ubuntustudio-*" packages I installed, I was trying to manually fix these
[03:27] <Ximal> now what do I do to have it run the stupid install file ? heh.. i can't get it to notice files.. just directories
[03:27] <VousDeux> how do tray applets usually get loaded at startup in kde?
[03:27] <pqnet> I'm still asking the same question: does someone here know how to debug gnome-session to discover why my menu has disappeared?
[03:27] <savvas> pqnet: yeah, foreign packages tend to break stuff :p
[03:28] <Ximal> WOAH ... i got it working.. wtf... woah
[03:28] <Ximal> im gonna cry.. this is sooo beautiful
[03:28] <Ximal> lol
[03:29] <Ximal> anyone have a tissue ?
[03:29] <savvas> pqnet: did you check on /var/log ?
[03:29] <pqnet> savvas which log could be useful?
[03:30] <Ximal> savvas ,,, thanks
[03:30] <pqnet> savvas ubuntustudio is in "universe", I don't think it's so "foreign" to ubuntu
[03:30] <savvas> I'm thinking something like... X org ?
[03:30] <VousDeux> I guess I'll just have to reboot again and look at the ps -aux list and see if I can figure out what program it is
[03:30] <savvas> pqnet: try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:31] <pqnet> savvas x server has clearly nothing to do with this... Xorg.0.log doesn't say a word about gnome configuration
[03:32] <savvas> pqnet: well, that's about it from me, cheers
[03:33] <Ximal> hmm
[03:33] <pqnet> savvas thank you allthesame
[03:33] <Ximal> savvas : check pm
[03:33] <pqnet> savvas do you know someone who can help me with this?
[03:34] <savvas> pqnet: the ubuntustudio package manager? :p no clue, I honestly don't know :)
[03:36] <pqnet> savvas no, someone who can tweak with gnome-session-manager, gnome-config and similar
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> is gutsy a bit slow in changing windows with alt(tab) or even changing tabs in firefox? whenever i attend to jump to another window or tab in an application say firefox or terminal. It hangs for a little second or two. then go to that window.
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> is it gutsy or gnome? my pc wasn't like that back in feitsy.
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> i have brand new hardwares etc. it shouldnt act like that at all
[03:36] <erichj> vmlinuz`, beta version
[03:36] <savvas> pqnet: dunno, I'm a simple end user :)
[03:36] <erichj> ...
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> erichj: okay and. does that happen to you too?
[03:36] <pqnet> vmlinuz` maybe it's compiz and xgl
[03:37] <erichj> occasionally
[03:37] <vmlinuz`> no my compiz is not enabled. not even any 3d effect.
[03:37] <pqnet> vmlinuz` however by default in gutsy xgl is enabled, you have to add a file in your home to disable it
[03:38] <pqnet> vmlinuz` .config/xserver-xgl/disable
[03:49] <Amaranth> pqnet: No.
[03:49] <Amaranth> pqnet: We do not install Xgl by default
[03:49] <Amaranth> pqnet: If you had it installed then upgraded to feisty will be on
[03:49] <Amaranth> Just uninstall it
[03:50] <Amaranth> err, upgraded from feisty
[03:55] <Jordan_U> Anybody up for a major dpkg breakage challenge ? :)
[03:56] <Dr_willis> You Got married?
[03:57] <Vorian_> MCP51 > suddenly no sound > ideas?
[03:57] <Vorian_> :)
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, No, I ran dpkg --clear-selections then sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade, then realized that I had removed ifup and couldn't connect to the internet to install the packages again, then I tried to dpkg -i every .deb in the archive, not realizing the the .deb for ifup ( and a lot of other important things ) wasn't even there, now I have the worst dpkg breakage I have ever seen and no clue how to fix it
[04:00] <Jordan_U> :)
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, I am now chrooted in from a LiveCD
[04:06] <VousDeux> well, I finally figured out what program the power manager is...it's python guidance-power-manager.py
[04:06] <Amaranth> VousDeux: KDE?
[04:07] <VousDeux> yes
[04:07] <pqnet> Amaranth from www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta page:
[04:07] <Amaranth> VousDeux: See, that's the problem, no one here uses KDE :)
[04:07] <pqnet> Amaranth: Compiz Fusion is enabled by default and will bring 3D desktop visual effects that improve the usability and visual appeal of the system. Ubuntu 7.10 automatically detects whether the hardware is capable of running compiz; if not, it falls back to normal desktop. Additional effects can be enabled in "System/Preferences/Appearance" under the "Visual Effects" tab. There you can also disable the effects entirely.
[04:07] <Amaranth> pqnet: Yes, compiz is installed and enabled by default
[04:07] <Amaranth> pqnet: Xgl is not
[04:08] <Amaranth> But if you install it it enables itself automatically
[04:08] <Amaranth> So if you had it installed in feisty then upgraded to gutsy it'll start working automatically
[04:11] <pqnet> Amaranth: ah ok, so if hardware doesn't support indirect rendering via aiglx/nvidia, and xgl isn't installed it revert automatically to no visual effects?
[04:11] <Amaranth> Yes
[04:12] <Ximal> ok
[04:12] <Ximal> one other question guys..
[04:12] <nalioth> anybodys gutsy keep powering off due to temperature issues?
[04:12] <Ximal> what is a good limewire pro like edition of music/file sharing i can use in linux ?
[04:13] <nalioth> Ximal: limewire is java.  it runs anywhere.
[04:13] <tokorona> Minor issue with KDMTHememanager for Gutsy
[04:13] <nalioth> Ximal: you can also use frostwire
[04:13] <tokorona> It (once installed) appears to crash the KDM Control Shell
[04:14] <tokorona> And..d oesn't appear to work correclty, unless the .kth files aren't.. kde themes
[04:14] <Ximal> frostwire ?
[04:14] <Ximal> without any dang adds ?
[04:14] <Ximal> freeware edition .. opensource like ?
[04:14] <Amaranth> nalioth: only when i abuse my laptop heavily
[04:14] <Ximal> thought about using my limewire pro through wine
[04:15] <Amaranth> Ximal: It's java, it runs anywhere.
[04:16] <Amaranth> Being java also means it's slow, memory heavy, and has tremendous feature bloat. :P
[04:17] <clusty> with the risk of sounding like a looser: how can I tell xchat to send my password whenever i connect to freenode?
[04:18] <crimsun> clusty: configure it in the preferences.
[04:19] <clusty> crimsun: can't find
[04:20] <rico> hey.. anyone experience Emerald stop working after the new update?
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: hey.... alsa dude ;) my sound card isn't allowing multiple programs to access it for playback... worked in fiesty
[04:20] <Dr_willis> clusty,  right there in the server settings tabs/dialogs theres a password area
[04:20] <Dr_willis> clusty,  or make an alias that does it so ya just can type /id (or similer)
[04:20] <rico> nosrednaekim, my sound also stopped working after the new gutsy updates.. *sigh*
[04:21] <newsense07> there any good way to make sure my gutsy upgrade went smoothly ?
[04:21] <clusty> :D
[04:21] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: err, um, more details, please?  What modifications (audio-config-wise) have you made since 7.04?
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: nothing, but sound was not working at all without a modprobe patch in fiesty
[04:22] <clusty> too easy :D
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: its a ATI HDA chip (realtek 883)
[04:22] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: well, is audio audible at all?  (e.g., does `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav` work?)
[04:23] <usser> whats wrong with linux version of limewire?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: oh yeah, it works great, but only one program can access it at a time.
[04:23] <nalioth> Amaranth: i was just wonderin, as it's never happend on feisty or prior
[04:24] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: so now, pastebin your ~/.asoundrc* and/or /etc/asound.conf
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: actually, come to think of it, only amarok works...
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: ok
[04:24] <Dr_willis> usser,  care to  give some details..
[04:24] <Dr_willis> usser,  at one time their shell scripts had issues. and they require the official SUN java..
[04:25] <rico> crimsun, hey, I have ALSA and I don't seem to have /etc/asound.conf. is this normal?
[04:25] <Dr_willis> I tend to use frostfire,  instead of limewire.
[04:25] <crimsun> rico: yes.
[04:26] <setuid> Can someone tell me what happened to /etc/inittab in Gutsy?
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/728534
[04:26] <setuid> This afternoon's updates completely hard-lock my Thinkpad when it tries to get into X.
[04:27] <pqnet> Amaranth you seem to be understanding something about this all: can you help me with my problem, e.g. menu entries on gnome are gone?
[04:27] <rico> btw, is ntfs-3g read/write siginificantly slower than ext3?
[04:27] <setuid> I tried to recover, by setting the runlevel, but there is no more inittab.
[04:27] <usser> Dr_willis: hm, oh ok.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> ubuntu has been changing how it does the init system.
[04:27] <Amaranth> pqnet: you mean your applications menu?
[04:27] <crimsun> rico: significantly?  No.
[04:27] <setuid> And whether I use fglrx, ati or radeon... startx, gdm, or otherwise... it hard-locks the machine.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> the runlevels are not even used any more i thought other then to start/shutdown.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[04:27] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:27] <setuid> But it was fine until I pulled this afternoon's updates
[04:28] <setuid> I'm pulling whatever updates happened in the last few hours, to see if the problem was found and fixed.
[04:28] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: and what does `asoundconf list` give you?
[04:28] <setuid> I'd definitely call that grave. The screen goes black, backlight goes out, and it no longer responds to any input (i.e. the CapsLock light doesn't even light up when I press it)
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: "SB"
[04:29] <pqnet> amaranth yes, it has disappeared. I've run many tests to understand why this works like that
[04:29] <Ximal> i can't get frostwire to run
[04:29] <Ximal> i downloaded it but it's not working
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: make sure amarok is configured to use the "default" device, not "hw:0,0" or anything like the latter
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: (same goes for arts)
[04:29] <Amaranth> pqnet: rm -rf ~/.config/menus
[04:29] <pqnet> amaranth i tried with a new user, with blank home, and the same problem remains
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: where do I set it for arts?
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: you can also attempt to remove ~/.asoundrc*
[04:29] <Amaranth> pqnet: oh
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: hmm ok
[04:29] <Amaranth> pqnet: sudo apt-get --reinstall install gnome-menus
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: in KDE System Settings
[04:29] <Ximal> is there a config i need to run before it will work ?
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[04:30] <setuid> While I'm stuck in text-mode, and on the topic... anyone know a text-only browser that supports Javascript?
[04:30] <pqnet> amaranth i tried that too, with --purge
[04:30] <Amaranth> pqnet: does alacarte show anything?
[04:31] <Ximal> nm
[04:31] <Ximal> got it
[04:31] <pqnet> amarant alacarte crashes on start, a runtime python error in module /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Alacarte/util.py
[04:32] <Amaranth> pqnet: run it from a terminal and pastebin the output
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: setting the sound driver to alsa in amarok just crashed it..
[04:33] <setuid> Dr_willis, Any ideas on why the machine hard-locks when it tries to get into X with any X driver?
[04:34] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: to "alsa"?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> I removed those files though, do I have to re-login?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: yeah
[04:34] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: you shouldn't need to relogin, but try it.
[04:34] <rico> hey.. anyone experience Emerald stop working after the new update?
[04:34] <Amaranth> pqnet: ?
[04:34] <rico> emerald --replace yields no output.
[04:34] <pqnet> amaranth http://nopaste.com/p/aLAELZIIrb
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: ok
[04:35] <Amaranth> pqnet: ok, something is really wrong
[04:35] <Amaranth> pqnet: join #alacarte
[04:36] <pqnet> amaranth here it is, I think the XML parser didn't  return a valid object because it didn't find the file to parse
[04:36] <Amaranth> pqnet: yes
[04:37] <usser> Dr_willis: how gtk_gnutella? have u tried it?
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: deleting that file worked! thanks!
[04:38] <crimsun> np
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> now I can play drums in hydrogen while listening to music in amarok ;)
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: the things you work for ;)
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> cya!
[04:43] <Dr_willis> usser,  not tried it in ages..
[04:45] <DM|> oh my frakking god.. I just had resolution workinga gain and now its reverting to 640xXXX whenever i restart X.... *sigh*
[04:45] <DM|> anyone know the nvidia-settings command i can run in terminal to change resolution?
[04:46] <VousDeux> oh cool...I can put my cursor on the title bar, spin my wheel and it will roll-up the window
[04:46] <rico> hey guys how can I downgrade Emerald?
[04:46] <rico> the Gutsy repository only hosts one version
[04:46] <mzuverink> are there medibuntu repos yet?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: you'd really have to ask that somewhere where medibuntu does support....
[04:47] <VousDeux> mzuverink, I haven't looked today, but there weren't any yesterday
[04:47] <Dr_willis> is emerald even needed?
[04:47] <VousDeux> !medibuntu
[04:47] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:47] <rico> well I want emerald
[04:47] <rico> :b
[04:48] <Dr_willis> it dosent do anything last i looked...
[04:48] <Dr_willis> it had no themes I recall :)
[04:48] <Dr_willis> then again - i just installed it  because it was there...
[04:48] <rico> well you can install the emerald-themes package
[04:48] <Dr_willis> and then what.. :)
[04:48] <rico> or download more themes off the internet
[04:48] <rico> ...then you'll have themes in your emerald-theme-manager to use I guess.
[04:48] <rico> :)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> and what exactly do they change?
[04:49] <rico> window borders.
[04:49] <VousDeux> mzuverink, nope...404
[04:50] <mzuverink> VousDeux, yeah the page says that, but was wondering about maybe some kind of secret squirrel testing repo, Im looking to install libdvdcss on gusty
[04:51] <rico> and hey i have another quick problem. ctrl+alt+f1 shows me a blinking cursor (no login prompt).
[04:51] <VousDeux> I tried using the instructions provided but replacing feisty.list with gutsy.list...I got a 404
[04:51] <rico> although, I can type there.. login with my username/password, execute commands... just that they don't show up
[04:51] <rico> (e.g., if i login and type "sudo shutdown -h now" it will actually shutdown, but I don't see my commands or shutdown's output)
[04:52] <VousDeux> mzuverink, you don't need a secret squirrel for that
[04:52] <Amaranth> rico: what driver?
[04:52] <VousDeux> mzuverink, it has a 3 on the end of it though
[04:52] <Amaranth> rico: fglrx?
[04:52] <rico> Amaranth, xserver-xorg-video-intel, latest from Gutsy's repository.
[04:52] <rico> :)
[04:52] <rico> oh
[04:52] <Amaranth> oh, weird
[04:52] <rico> mm how can I check?
[04:52] <Amaranth> rico: what video card do you have?
[04:52] <mzuverink> VousDeux, I have no other knowledge of how to install it, got any tips?
[04:52] <rico> intel X3100 (aka, GMA 965 I think)
[04:53] <Amaranth> oh, uh
[04:53] <Amaranth> no clue
[04:53] <Amaranth> i know you can't use compiz with that one though
[04:53] <newsense07> do you know how to change the look of windows while minimizing ?
[04:54] <rico> true. I specifically disabled the check for it.
[04:54] <Amaranth> newsense07: install compizconfig-settings-manager and play with the options for the animation plugin
[04:54] <Amaranth> rico: You get to keep both pieces
[04:54] <rico> the only problem there is that I can't play video through XV... something I don't mind
[04:54] <VousDeux> mzuverink, it has a 2, not a 3..sorry...you should be able to just apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:54] <newsense07> Amaranth: thanks !
[04:55] <mzuverink> ok, thanks
[04:55] <VousDeux> !dvd
[04:55] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:56] <VousDeux> mzuverink, ahhh...there was one with a 3 on it...libdvdread3
[04:57] <mzuverink> VousDeux, there's not one on the repos
[04:57] <VousDeux> mzuverink, then you have to sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[04:57] <newsense07> !kiba-dock
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <VousDeux> mzuverink, I think that last one decrypts commercial dvd's
[05:00] <VousDeux> mzuverink, you may also want to have a look at ubuntu-restricted-extras or kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:01] <mzuverink> VousDeux, I installed the RE for Ubuntu
[05:02] <Hobbsee> u-r-e doesnt decrypt dvds
[05:02] <Hobbsee> that script (install-css.sh does)
[05:02] <VousDeux> yeah, you still need libdvdread3 for that
[05:02] <Hobbsee> although, i'm thinking of adding bits to u-r-e and such for hardy, to go and grab the evil extra codecs from medibuntu
[05:04] <Konam> hi
[05:04] <Konam> i'm noticing that my internet connection dies from time to time......
[05:04] <VousDeux> wb Konam
[05:04] <VousDeux> Konam, wifi?
[05:05] <Konam> no
[05:06] <mzuverink> VousDeux, thanks for the tip, got it taken care of, now for those darn win32 codecs
[05:06] <rico> hey, what does anyone need win32 codecs for?
[05:06] <rico> .wma?
[05:06] <Amaranth> No
[05:07] <Amaranth> w32codecs is only useful for realmedia
[05:07] <rico> ew, real.
[05:07] <Amaranth> and we have realplayer for that :P
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ahhh, i sthat what it's for
[05:07] <Konam> VousDeux for example, i'm connected right now, but it dies for a moment and then it comes back it is more dead than it is alive, is annoying....
[05:07] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: It used to be useful for a lot more things but we've gotten codecs for wmv3 and such
[05:08] <mzuverink> doesnt win32codecs also allow you to listen to wma in like xmms too?
[05:08] <rico> hmm, i dont have /dev/dsp.
[05:08] <rico> is this normal?
[05:08] <rico> i used to.
[05:08] <Amaranth> mzuverink: no
[05:08] <rico> i tried to reinstall alsa-base btw
[05:08] <Amaranth> mzuverink: w32codecs only works in mplayer and xine
[05:08] <mzuverink> Amaranth, true
[05:09] <mzuverink> so I take it the commercial canonical repos wont be up till official release?
[05:09] <mzuverink> source o matic does not list them
[05:10] <Amaranth> mzuverink: Have to get permission to put stuff in there
[05:10] <Hobbsee> DM|: you still lose
[05:10] <mzuverink> Amaranth, so like Acro Reader best to install now from official site?
[05:10] <DM|> Hobbsee dont be so helpful, you might hurt yourself
[05:11] <rico> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:11] <rico> anyone familiar with that?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> DM|: indeed.  i might just kickban you, for wasting our time.
[05:12] <DM|> Hobbsee abuse of power, think i wasnt doing anything? most of those disconnects were me changing the server tabs
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DM|: uh, no they werent.  most of them were me throwing you off the network.  it has a different quit message.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bah.  twit.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DM|: uh, no they werent.  most of them were me throwing you off the network.  it has a different quit message.
[05:12] <DM|> Hobbsee w/e
[05:12] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, are you the same Hobbsee of Mandrake heritage?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: um, nope?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: i've never used mandrake
[05:13] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, there was a Hobbssee who used to moderate mandrakes irc channel often, just wondering
[05:13] <bazhang> Hobbsee!
[05:13] <bazhang> hiya
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: ahhh.  nope :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hiya bazhang~
[05:14] <Amaranth> Hobbsee isn't from Mandriva and I didn't make that theme :P
[05:15] <bazhang> I've taken your words to heart and stopped advising people to get Gutsy...mostly..haha
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bazhang: :D
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bazhang: well, it's fine if they know what they're doing
[05:16] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, so what are you saying?;)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: in regards to?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: oh, that a lot of this channel has no idea what they're doing, and shouldnt really be running gutsy?
[05:16] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, yeah
[05:16] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: i am, yes.
[05:17] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, am maybe i wear my heart on my sleeve and too offense, not really
[05:17] <mzuverink> *took
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: (because they're not filing useful bugs, etc)
[05:17] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, bugs, what bugs?  My sys is running like a champ
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yes, but you fix them.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: yay!
[05:18] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: But not the same set as the ones I find
[05:18] <Hobbsee> true
[05:18] <Amaranth> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/+reportedbugs
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: when will you fix kwindeco-compiz stuff?
[05:18] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: never
[05:18] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, just a pain having no medibuntu to do the dirty work easy, yet, Im learning and thats a good thing, next...linux from scratch
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: awww....
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: have you asked the medibuntu guys why they dont have their repos up?
[05:19] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I have no interest in KDE, KDE has no interest in Compiz
[05:19] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: And most of the bugs left are frigging weird
[05:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  compiz == crack :)
[05:19] <Amaranth> Like a crash on ~QObject
[05:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:19] <Hobbsee> oookay?
[05:20] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, they do not answer, just ignore the questions
[05:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: My thoughts exactly :0
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: where are you asking?
[05:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: And there is a bug with the domino theme that kde-window-decorator exposes, not our bug :)
[05:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I can't think of any other important bugs for kwd
[05:20] <mzuverink> #medibuntu and #ubuntu
[05:20] <Hobbsee> my concern is how it crashes so much, and doesnt play nice with the pager
[05:21] <Amaranth> the pager doesn't follow the standards
[05:21] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: #ubuntu is not the place - medibuntu is a derivative
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: then fix the pager?  :)
[05:21] <Amaranth> and the crashes are the ~QObject thing
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:21] <Hobbsee> which is a qt-ism.
[05:21] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: would such a patch be accepted at this point?
[05:21] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, right, but usually they are there
[05:21] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: SuSE already has a patch for it
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: depends how big it is, etc.
[05:21] <bazhang> hi Amaranth
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: if you have a patch, eyeballing it would be good.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: making sure it doesnt effect standard kde
[05:22] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, one bug though, if compiz is enabled, my bottom bar does not appear until I click on the desktop
[05:22] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: Amaranth is the compiz guy :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: OOPS, YOU BROKE IT.  FIX IT NOW!  :p
[05:22] <mzuverink> Amaranth, catch that bug?
[05:23] <Amaranth> mzuverink: already fixed (in the next upload)
[05:23] <DanaG> my bug: bug 121833
[05:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:23] <mzuverink> Amaranth, or you want me to be a good doobie and report it officially?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> DanaG: we're still not kernel/acpi devs, btw
[05:23] <Amaranth> mzuverink: already fixed (in the next upload)
[05:24] <mzuverink> Amaranth, awesome
[05:24] <tokorona> hmm.. wonder why kde-themeinstall isn't working correcrtly.
[05:24] <Amaranth> ick trevinho doesn't have source for his patched kicker package
[05:24] <Hobbsee> DanaG: if you've provided the info required, set it to confirmed, seeing as it looks like others are seeing it
[05:24] <Amaranth> that's probably not even legal :P
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ew, trevhino
[05:25] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: well he snagged the patch from suse
[05:25] <Amaranth> figured i'd snag his since it at least applied to our feisty package
[05:25] <DanaG> Can you see if everything needed is there?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean i trust him, and doesnt mean that he's not FULL OF CRACK.
[05:25] <Amaranth> then again he probably didn't base his package on our feisty package
[05:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: no idea.  see the part about me not being a kernel dev
[05:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I tried KDE the other day, and noticed the lack of a volume OSD.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it has one.
[05:25] <tokorona> OSD?
[05:27] <Amaranth> wtf opensuse's source packages don't include KDE stuff
[05:28] <Amaranth> i hate their repo layout
[05:28] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I can't find their package so... :P
[05:29] <tokorona> KDE isn't .. that bad.
[05:30] <mzuverink> Speaking of KDE, is there a way to keep kde stuff to only show up if in kde and vice verse w/ gnome?  Stupid q I know, But my Youngest likes kde and I like gnome, and if I edit the emues it screws everything up, stuff disappears on both
[05:31] <mzuverink> cant get her to use gnome, they use kde at school
[05:33] <tokorona> although, I should probably go back to figuring out why kdethememanager is misbehaving.
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> mzuverink: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25065&highlight=hide+kde+gnome
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> jocko cd /usr/share/applications/kde
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> jocko sudo for i in *; do echo "OnlyShowIn=KDE;" >> $i; done
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> is what I had written down for that - never tried it
[05:35] <mzuverink> tonyyarusso, thanks
[05:36] <ppj> any updates to nvidia drivers?
[05:37] <mzuverink> Whats the deal with all the pre-created folders now in Gusty?
[05:37] <JabberWokky> Thanks for a good topic line.  Got my answers.
[05:38] <mzuverink> Not that its a bad thing...
[05:38] <superbenny> hey just upgraded from 7.07...my Intel wireless card (in my IBM ThinkPad) isnt working. comes up as a restricted driver, which i made sure is enabled
[05:38] <usser> mzuverink: what pre-created folders?
[05:38] <superbenny> but nothing it seing it
[05:38] <mzuverink> Super, video pictures....
[05:38] <superbenny> comes up in lshw
[05:39] <superbenny> wirelss
[05:39] <superbenny> wireless*
[05:39] <mzuverink> superbenny, like video and pictures, templates....
[05:39] <newsense07> yall like dolphin ?
[05:40] <mzuverink> its good mixed in a can of tuna
[05:40] <usser> why did they have to change file manager
[05:40] <usser> konq was just fine
[05:41] <tokorona> Dolphin is OK.
[05:41] <tokorona> I sorta don't see the point in using it over konqurer, no
[05:41] <usser> tokorona: the best is the enemy of the good
[05:41] <bazhang> the perfect...
[05:41] <usser> tokorona: exactly
[05:42] <usser> the perfect, i didnt know the english version, sorta just translated
[05:42] <superbenny> hey, my wi card stopped working when i upgraded from 7.04
[05:42] <superbenny> any thoughts?
[05:43] <tokorona> I use ndiswrapper, so i've never.. really had to mess with restricted drivers.
[05:44] <superbenny> it just worked without any config when i installed 7.04
[05:44] <superbenny> so i didnt even have to mess with wrapper
[05:44] <Traveler0> My wireless card just went kaput, too.
[05:44] <Jordan_U> Super, What chipset?
[05:44] <superbenny> intel
[05:44] <tokorona> (which, incidently, required a reinstall... have to say that 7.10 doesnt' require that blasted configuration workaround, so I'm happy)
[05:44] <Jordan_U> superbenny, Is it set to roaming mode?
[05:45] <superbenny> er
[05:45] <superbenny> what
[05:45] <Traveler0> It worked until recently.
[05:45] <Traveler0> It's that blasted new Intel card.
[05:45] <Jordan_U> superbenny, System -> Administration -> Networking
[05:46] <superbenny> im using kde
[05:46] <DanaG> Yay, one more reason to love Amarok: MusicBrainz.
[05:46] <DanaG> Sweet!
[05:46] <Jordan_U> superbenny, Make sure that it's set to roaming mode their ( which just means that it should be controlled by network-manager
[05:46] <superbenny> yea networkmanager isnt seeing it
[05:46] <superbenny> at all
[05:46] <superbenny> but lshw sees it, and iwconfig sees my wireless network
[05:47] <Jordan_U> superbenny, Don't know how to do it in the GUI in KDE but you want to remove any references to the card from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <Traveler0> Anyone else having problems with their wireless cards after the latest updates?
[05:48] <Traveler0> Iwconfig says it's not there. Ifconfig says it's not there. LSPCI says it IS there.
[05:48] <superbenny> i dont need gui
[05:48] <superbenny> commands are fine
[05:52] <Jordan_U> Anybody up for a major dpkg breakage challenge ? :)
[05:53] <savvas> you have virtual machines for that :p
[05:55] <ppj> !stages
[05:55] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:56] <ppj> !brokenvidia
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brokenvidia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <Traveler0> Am I the only one who has'nt got wireless internet?
[05:57] <ppj> i have 3 laptops and 2 desktops, i use both
[05:57] <ReL1K> savvas: saw you said something before about the issue i was having, are others experiencing it too?
[05:57] <savvas> ReL1K: neah, wrong alarm
[05:58] <superbenny> traveler:no me too
[05:58] <Traveler0> Also, why the zark is my battery life so awful? The X61 should get 3+ hours with the screen brightness cranked down.
[05:58] <newsense_07> i was using ndiswrapper until latest updates now i got a module that works with my card and i get an extra bar !
[05:58] <ReL1K> gotchya
[05:58] <savvas> but another user had a problem system-wide
[05:58] <savvas> the menus appeared empty
[05:58] <riotkittie> oh i am so jealous. <bites newsense_07's functioning wireless>
[05:58] <ReL1K> ahh
[05:58] <savvas> but in a newly added user the effect was the same :\
[05:59] <newsense_07> arrr gar gar
[05:59] <ReL1K> ah
[05:59] <savvas> so it wasn't any .config/ for that matter
[05:59] <ReL1K> right
[05:59] <riotkittie> i wish i could ditch ndiswrapper under gutsy
[05:59] <cellofellow> my apt authentications are all messed up. How can I fix it?
[06:00] <tokorona> for some reason, prism54 doesn't work with my chipset.
[06:01] <savvas> cellofellow: system > admin > soft sources > authentication and restore defaults
[06:02] <savvas> (thank god they have that)
[06:02] <cellofellow> k
[06:04] <riotkittie> oh yay. more updates.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> by the time ya get the updates installed.. thers more updates!
[06:06] <savvas> hm.. I ought to make a blueprint to allow only twice per day to update :P
[06:06] <riotkittie> that was odd. i dont have updates. save for ekiga, which never wants to install.
[06:07] <riotkittie> i'm so sad. the prospect of another 170 updates had filled my heart with such gleeee. :'(
[06:07] <savvas> (yay!) :p
[06:07] <superbenny> do i detect a hint of sarcasm?
[06:08] <riotkittie> no. <3 updates <3
[06:08] <superbenny> lol
[06:08] <savvas> well people like you make the security.ubuntu.com hurl
[06:09] <savvas> but no offense taken i suppose
[06:09] <riotkittie> and why do i do that  :|
[06:10] <VousDeux> I'm trying install something that says it can't find X libraries...what should I do to fix it?
[06:15] <VousDeux> where are X libraries located?
[06:17] <bazhang> ?
[06:17] <mzuverink> when you chose a background color for gdm, no matter your choice it is always brown
[06:17] <bazhang> ahaha really?
[06:17] <mzuverink> really
[06:18] <bazhang> wow--glad I'm on KDE.
[06:18] <bazhang> feature or bug?
[06:18] <mzuverink> good question
[06:18] <bazhang> !bug#1
[06:18] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:18] <usser> mzuverink: i think its a bug
[06:18] <mzuverink> If I could change just one thing about ubuntu, it would be that darn brown
[06:19] <usser> mzuverink: i had the same problem with kdm they fixed it recently
[06:19] <usser> mzuverink: yea i think its a poor theme choice
[06:19] <mzuverink> usser, me too, atleast it make noise whenits ready to have you login now
[06:19] <mzuverink> thats new
[06:20] <mzuverink> I just cant stand brown
[06:20] <usser> mzuverink: well kubuntu's choice is even worse i its reddish purple
[06:21] <mzuverink> ahhgg!
[06:21] <riotkittie> what would you change the brown to?
[06:21] <riotkittie> ew. reddish puple? ><
[06:22] <riotkittie> i thought that it was blue
[06:22] <wsjunior> using fglrx driver im unable to access any tty, how do i fix it without removing fglrx driver?
[06:22] <wsjunior> is it possible?
[06:22] <riotkittie> why/how is the driver stopping you from accessing a tty?
[06:23] <wsjunior> i mean, im able to switch to any tty, but they are unusable.. i cant see anything but a black screen
[06:23] <ppj> no prompt?
[06:23] <wsjunior> no
[06:23] <wsjunior> nothinh
[06:23] <riotkittie> is getty runnig?
[06:23] <wsjunior> just a black screen
[06:23] <savvas> mzuverink: right click on the desktop and change the background color
[06:23] <wsjunior> ya, if i use ati driver instead of fglrx it works
[06:23] <wsjunior> but i need to use fglrx
[06:24] <riotkittie> how bizarre.
[06:24] <VousDeux> what would be the path for x libraries?
[06:24] <riotkittie> i dont see why people throw such fits about the brown. to the extent theyre circulating partitions.
[06:25] <riotkittie> errr. p.. petitions.
[06:25] <riotkittie> circulating partitions. heeee. <has been taking painkillers>
[06:25] <riotkittie> but wait. that was the wallpaper they were doing it over.
[06:26] <riotkittie> otoh, it is an incredibly ugly wall paper.
[06:26] <wsjunior> i used to chane vga to 791 to fix this problem but it doesnt work anymore
[06:29] <WGGMk> ok, i need some assistance
[06:30] <WGGMk> I have an Ubuntu Gusty Gibbon 2.6.22-13 laptop.. running fine.. w/ Broadcom wlan.. I just bought a linksys wireless adaptor for my "Ubuntu Gusty Gibbon 2.6.22-12 server" and i need to install the firmware for the broadcom chipset
[06:30] <wsjunior> so what?
[06:31] <WGGMk> I have the files and all dependancies needed on a USB disk with the lable /disk.. the mount point was /media/disk on my laptop.. im having trouble looking at it on my server.. its not mounted or mounted somewhere else
[06:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: just blame opensuse.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: major dpkg breakage?
[06:35] <WGGMk> can anyone help me with mounting a USB drive (thumb drive) on Gusty Gibbon Server (no X)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> plug it in. use 'sudo fdisk -l' to see where its at (or dmesg output)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> mkdir /media/thang
[06:35] <Dr_willis> (with a sudo)
[06:36] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/whateveritscalled /media/thang  -t whateverthsfsis.
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Or is there something more specific ya have issues with?
[06:36] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I ran dpkg --clear-selections then sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade, then realized that I had removed ifup and couldn't connect to the internet to install the packages again, then I tried to dpkg -i every .deb in the archive, not realizing the the .deb for ifup ( and a lot of other important things ) wasn't even there, now I have the worst dpkg breakage I have ever seen and no clue how to fix it
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I'm currently chrooted in with a LiveCD :)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: you idiot :)
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, In my defense this is a scratch machine
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, But yea :)
[06:37] <Traveler0> Anyone else had wireless problems?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: either reinstall, or install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard, then try installing ubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: and work your way through your mess
[06:37] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: would it detect it as System: linux raid autodetect?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> but it may be quicker to backup and reinstall
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I can't install ubuntu-minimal ;)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: because?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: install the stuff that it depends on, etc.
[06:38] <WGGMk> im having trouble determining the drives.. i forget how i partition'ed this server..
[06:38] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I can't use dpkg at all
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: oh, because ifup is so far stuffed that dpkg wont work.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: ok, then reinstall.
[06:38] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, That would be giving up, and isn't as fun ;)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> didnt relaised your dpkg was broken too
[06:39] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: thanks.. i got it mounted.. sorry.. having a brain fart today
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: you may get away with manually doing the wrok that dpkg does - but dude...you may as well install and configure LFS, then gentoo, and *still* be ahead.
[06:39] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, dpkg is broken because for some reason many of the things that ubuntu-minimal depends on were not in /var/cache/apt/
[06:39] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  sticking beans up your nose will do that. :)
[06:40] <Traveler0> Well...I can't update my laptop for the time being.
[06:40] <Traveler0> It still works. (The wireless does not.)
[06:40] <Traveler0> Should I try downloading the latest updates (via Ethernet,) or wait until things are fixed?
[06:40] <WGGMk> Dr_willlis: lol.. i forgot server didnt have a GUI by default.. and i just installed it like a week ago..
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: right, so that's depenedancy hell, not dpkg being broken.
[06:41] <Traveler0> Is my connection not working properly?
[06:42] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Yes
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Stupid java applett....
[06:42] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, But I actually have all of the dependencies at least, so once it's worked out ( if it ever is ) it will be able to magically pop back in place
[06:43] <WGGMk> how do i tell linux-restricted-drivers-manager to use a specific file for the firmware with no GUI lol.. for broadcom cards.. using bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:43] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I saved a backup dpkg --get-selections
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: wget the debs in, perhpas
[06:43] <Hobbsee> then go from there
[06:44] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, But I can't use dpkg -i until I run dpkg --configure -a , and that won't work until I have all of the .debs :) It's a catch 22
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: it's called karma for messing up your system.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: wget the deps then dpkg --configure -a would be my guess
[06:45] <Hobbsee> or just cut your losses, reinstall, then go fixing parts of gutsy
[06:47] <WGGMk> whats the command to connect to a specific network?
[06:47] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  you mean IRC network?
[06:48] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: no.. like 'eth2' is my wlan card.. i need to manually connect to my router on my server
[06:48] <Dr_willis> hmmm...  you mean 'connect to the wireless network' :)
[06:48] <VousDeux> I see why people are always asking compiz questions in here...nobody is ever alive in that channel
[06:48] <WGGMk> yes
[06:49] <Dr_willis> i dont touch wirless.. :)  sorry
[06:49] <WGGMk> i havent the faintest of how to do it
[06:49] <WGGMk> hehe
[06:49] <WGGMk> tis ok
[06:49] <Dr_willis> proberly 12+ ways to do it.. each depends on the versionof the card...
[06:49] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: thnx for the mounting help
[06:49] <Dr_willis> wireless has been such a... disaster. :)
[06:49] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  yep. mounting i can do..
[06:49] <WGGMk> yes it sure hans
[06:49] <WGGMk> err has
[06:49] <VousDeux> does anyone know how I can turn off the shade feature in compiz?
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Hopefully with the new kernel/wireless stuff and the wireless N things comming out
[06:50] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  in the advanced compiz control panel thing.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> which is not installed by default..
[06:50] <Dr_willis> and i forget its package name. :)
[06:50] <Dr_willis> !find compiz
[06:50] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 15 others)
[06:50] <Dr_willis> compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:51] <Dr_willis> thats it. :)
[06:51] <VousDeux> I have that installed, but I think I clicked every option in there and did not find the ones I was looking for
[06:51] <Dr_willis> yep.. its a little complex for a settings program.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> which 'shade' feature do ya mean?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> i spent a few hrs explorign the thign last week.
[06:52] <VousDeux> when I click the minimize button, it rolls up instead of minimize
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ahh.. thats.. different.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> that might bein the first/top settings.  whatever that area is called on the list
[06:52] <Dr_willis> thats where you can set the title bar double click to 'winshade' or other things..
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i cant recall ever seeing that specific effect however. but i do recall seeing other  button settings.
[06:55] <VousDeux> I'm also not fond of having to click specifically on a title bar to activate a window...I prefer to be able to click anywhere on the window to activate it
[06:55] <riotkittie> my wireless worked out of the box on gutsy. it also pushed me back to windows because it was so ... awful :P
[06:55] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  ive not seen that effect either.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  try making a new user with default settings and see if that applys to them also.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> that almost sounds like a bug
[06:55] <riotkittie> well, "pushed me back" isnt fair because its not like i was wandering far from it at that point
[06:56] <VousDeux> hmmm...maybe it is a bug...it's like I have a window  behind another, I have to click directly on the title bar to bring it up top
[06:56] <Dr_willis> sounds like a bug to me.
[06:57] <WGGMk> Gusty works fine for me.. i havent had a problem
[06:58] <Dr_willis> well i now have gutsy on 3 of my machines.
[06:58] <riotkittie> gutsy works so well i almost hate it.
[06:58] <WGGMk> im just having problems getting my server connected cause im not too good without a GUI
[06:58] <Dr_willis>  cheatign on this one.. it has feisty and gutsy both. :) i got gutsy updated/going on it now.
[06:59] <rico> hey, is there something wrong with gutsy's repositories?
[06:59] <rico> im getting 0 bytes from the repository URLs when I do 'check' on update-manager
[06:59] <WGGMk> i get this weird message after GRUB
[07:00] <rico> WGGMk, what is it?
[07:00] <WGGMk> [numbers]  PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 on device 0000:00:00.0
[07:00] <WGGMk> [numbers]  changes on every restart
[07:02] <WGGMk> any thoughts?
[07:04] <rico> hmm, ive no clue.
[07:08] <snadge> its okay.. my desktop is also a heart and vital signs monitor for thousands of sick patients ;)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> and it runs the ISS  for the soviets.. they oursourced it.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> outsourced it..
[07:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:09] <cellofellow> I have a deadly sound hardware combination it seems: nVidia HDA and SigmaTel STAC9200. I've found some vague references to fixes, but nothing I can figure out. Apparently this is true for most of Linux, and Feisty. (Maybe I should ask in #ubuntu then. :-) )
[07:09] <cellofellow> But, anybody know how to fix it?
[07:10] <snadge> whats wrong.. just no sound?
[07:11] <cellofellow> just silence
[07:11] <Dr_willis> The sound of silence.
[07:11] <snadge> have you tried running alsamixer from commandline?
[07:11] <cellofellow> everybody points to this, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053, but it's for Fedora and I can't seem to translate to debian/ubuntu.
[07:11] <cellofellow> snadge: oh, yes
[07:11] <snadge> and checking /proc/asound/cards to see how many devices are detected and which is primary
[07:12] <cellofellow> only the nvidia HDA device shows in there.
[07:12] <snadge> cellofellow: you could test gutsy from its livecd to see if it detects sound
[07:12] <cellofellow> the SigmaTel looks like an OSS device though. Stillno sound.
[07:13] <cellofellow> snadge: this doesn't work on any system I've come across. The only place on the Internet that says anything on how to fix it I linked to, but it's for Fedora. How do I translate?
[07:13] <DanaG> My playback works, but capture doesn't.
[07:14] <DanaG> I've even updated to the HG alsa, but it's no better there.
[07:14] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, Nothing there looks too Fedora specific, just remove all alsa packages with apt
[07:14] <cellofellow> that removes like half of my system though, due to metapackages and stuff.
[07:15] <cellofellow> bug #134351
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134351
[07:15] <DanaG> It's fine to leave ALSA packages there while still compiling new versions manually.
[07:15] <snadge> or you could possibly follow the ubuntu wiki for recompiling alsa, and use the fedora instructions to customise that process somehow ;)
[07:15] <DanaG> You just have to watch for kernel updates.
[07:15] <cellofellow> Someone in the bug report stuff fixed it, but I don't know how.
[07:15] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, You can ignore deps, but I'd listen to DanaG instead :)
[07:16] <cellofellow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/134351/comments/23
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:16] <cellofellow> that's what I want to do, but how?
[07:16] <cellofellow> I'm not great shakes at this low-level stuff. (yet.)
[07:17] <DanaG> Oh, and after compiling new versions remove the following file and sudo depmod -a, or you'll get mysterious "unknown symbol" errors:
[07:17] <DanaG> /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[07:17] <DanaG> where .22-12 is whatever you're currently on.
[07:17] <snadge> hmm.. gutsy seems to use the same kernel version as feisty
[07:17] <cellofellow> not sure of that.
[07:18] <cellofellow> 2.6.22-12-generic
[07:18] <snadge> 2.6.22-12
[07:18] <cellofellow> I think Feisty is 20
[07:19] <DanaG> Yup, it is.
[07:19] <snadge> ahh it is too
[07:19] <cellofellow> is this something I need to use apt-src for?
[07:19] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, No, but you may want to use apt-get build-deb
[07:19] <cellofellow> still over my head. :-)
[07:19] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, Ignore that, I'm tired :)
[07:20] <tokorona> Gutsy uses .12 or .13 I think
[07:20] <mzuverink> VousDeux, actually all the medibuntu debs are on their site, just go to http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/
[07:20] <cellofellow> I'm using Gutsy and currently running .12
[07:20] <VousDeux> mzuverink, cool...thanks
[07:21] <WGGMk> im running 2.6.22-13 and its sweet
[07:21] <mzuverink> VousDeux, you have to go through and pick them manually, by alphabetical order, both for free and non free, but they work, beats installing acroread by had
[07:22] <snadge> is it true that wine is actually starting to get better than cedega because cedega uses an older pre-forked copy of wine?
[07:22] <cellofellow> ok, the guy in here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/134351/comments/23 links to here http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053 but doesn't say exactly what he did besides that he only removed alsa-lib and alsa-utils
[07:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:22] <cellofellow> I'm lost.
[07:23] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:24] <cellofellow> is HdaIntel and nVidia HDA compatible?
[07:24] <DanaG> Yup, the standard is "Intel HD Audio" because Intel defined the standard.
[07:24] <cellofellow> gotcha, like AMD64
[07:24] <DanaG> It's the successor to AC97, which was another standard audio device bus.
[07:25] <DanaG> You can use the HG version of ALSA by using sources from here: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download#ALSA_HG_.28Mercurial.29_SCM_repositories
[07:28] <cellofellow> alsa-lib doesn't even exist. is this normal?
[07:29] <squidy> does anyone here use compiz-fusion with KDE?
[07:31] <DanaG> Fedora's packages are named differently.
[07:32] <usser> squidy: i do
[07:33] <cellofellow> how do I manage to install those programs that depend on alsa-suchandsuch?
[07:33] <cellofellow> when I've manually installed patched versions.
[07:34] <squidy> usser, how do you get to start c-f with kde startup?
[07:35] <usser> squidy: alt+f2 compiz --replace
[07:35] <usser> squidy: and then it just kind starts on every boot by itself
[07:36] <usser> squidy: just make sure in kcontrol session manager u check on login restore previous session
[07:36] <squidy> usser, but at the starts the adept_notify stay out of systray.. and the pager show only 1 desktop...
[07:37] <usser> squidy: hm it doesnt do that for me
[07:37] <squidy> usser, are you using kubuntu gutsy too?
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> I just did an update. Now my video doesn't work right
[07:37] <usser> squidy: yep
[07:37] <squidy> weird
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> I have an nvidia 7600
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> 3D and compiz were working before the update
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> now they don't work
[07:37] <usser> squidy: i use kde-window-decorator though
[07:38] <squidy> me too
[07:38] <usser> squidy: no emerald
[07:38] <usser> *not
[07:38] <DigitalNinja> Maybe I should restart with a different kernel
[07:38] <squidy> i haven't got emerald installed
[07:38] <squidy> usser, what's your gpu?
[07:38] <usser> squidy: weird did u do any setuo in ccsm
[07:39] <usser> squidy: nvidia 8600
[07:39] <DigitalNinja> squidy: Nice!
[07:39] <squidy> usser, yes i did
[07:39] <squidy> i've got a nvidia 7300gt..
[07:40] <cellofellow> humble nvidia 6100
[07:40] <cellofellow> WAY better than the RIVA TNT2 I had b4.
[07:40] <usser> cellofellow: omg
[07:40] <squidy> DigitalNinja, did you upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[07:40] <DigitalNinja> no
[07:40] <usser> squidy: i dunno
[07:40] <DigitalNinja> I installed Tribe 5 about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[07:40] <squidy> usser, ok dude.. thanks
[07:40] <DigitalNinja> Thinks have been okay
[07:40] <WGGMk> Ok, fresh install of Gusty Server amd64. I have a direct connection to the router. sudo apt-get update fails. "Temporary failure resolving..." then source sites, etc.
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> lost a few things along the way but the developers have fixed them
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> This problem looks bad
[07:41] <cellofellow> WGGMk: you got DNS issues. Add your ISPs DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> I'll be back
[07:41] <WGGMk> but im connected wireless on the same router right now.. in Gusty desktop
[07:41] <Dr_willis>  wee.. woobly windows under Kubuntu Gutsy..
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> switching to a different kernel
[07:42] <Dr_willis> and lots of little issues.. Like having to click on a titlebar to activate a window.
[07:42] <riotkittie> i like clicking to activate :P
[07:43] <WGGMk> cellowfellow: i checked in /etc/resolve.conf it just has my ISP and nameserver IP's listed
[07:45] <WGGMk> cellowfellow: I tried to ping the nameserver's and they are unreacheable.. how do you manually start a network interface
[07:45] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: all fixable :-) I got sloppy focus the way I like it
[07:45] <WGGMk> isnt it like wake or something
[07:45] <cellofellow> WGGMk: sudo ifup interface
[07:45] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  heh. Im suprised that MythTV frontend is working.. :)
[07:46] <DigitalNinja> It works!
[07:46] <Dr_willis> i can do the fancy app-switching and the tv show  is in a fancy window
[07:46] <DigitalNinja> Looks like something kernel related broke in the update
[07:46] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[07:52] <WGGMk> cellowfellow: "ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2" when running that
[07:56] <cdm10> displayconfig-gtk broke my system today.
[07:59] <Tomcat_> !stages > Tomcat_
[08:00] <cdm10> So, does this !stages thing go on in released versions of Ubuntu, or are stable version users prone to having their X broken?
[08:00] <cdm10> Tomcat_: You can /msg ubotu factoid if you want, instead of using a channel.
[08:00] <Tomcat_> Oh. Right. Sorry. ;)
[08:01] <cdm10> That's ok, it's not like the channel is very busy :)
[08:03] <Tomcat_> Yeah, I just should have remembered. I was specifically using the > operator... ;>
[08:03] <cdm10> Tomcat_: Well, that did half the job
[08:05] <snadge> sweet.. gutsy upgrade worked fine.. compiz works heaps better
[08:06] <cdm10> snadge: Which upgrade? What version of Compiz do you have?
[08:06] <snadge> i dont care if i dont get support its still better than windows :P
[08:06] <ppj> snadge, don't upgrade too much
[08:06] <ppj> you'll break it
[08:06] <cdm10> right...
[08:06] <newsense_07> anyone know of a gutsy package that includes the 3d windows plugin for compiz-=fusion ?
[08:06] <snadge> i went from feisty with amaranth's repo.. to current gutsy beta
[08:06] <cdm10> snadge: Ah, ok.
[08:06] <snadge> its LOADS better
[08:06] <cdm10> newsense_07: 3d windows?
[08:07] <cdm10> snadge: yup :)
[08:07] <newsense_07> windows stick out from cube
[08:07] <ppj> snadge, well theres an issue with nvidia right now so don't update too much
[08:07] <cdm10> newsense_07: I remember that being in Beryl, but I don't see it in my Compiz config thingy.
[08:07] <ppj> assuming youre using one
[08:07] <Amaranth> snadge: compiz isn't better the infrastructure is :)
[08:07] <cdm10> ppj: It's in the topic
[08:07] <Amaranth> ppj: no problem with nvidia
[08:07] <Tomcat_> newsense_07: I read that plugin was experimental and needs to be compiled from CVS/SVN.
[08:07] <newsense_07> cdm10: i think its in unsupported plugins
[08:07] <cdm10> Amaranth: Well, read the topic
[08:08] <snadge> i dist-upgraded to gutsy, so everything has updated and im using an nvidia 5200
[08:08] <snadge> whats the current nvidia issue?
[08:08] <Amaranth> cdm10: I'll just have to change the topic :P
[08:08] <cdm10> newsense_07: Ah, I don't think I have that installed. I'm curious what's in that...
[08:08] <cdm10> Amaranth: the stages are complete?
[08:08] <Amaranth> about 24 hours ago
[08:08] <ppj> really?
[08:08] <ppj> hm
[08:08] <newsense_07> cdm10: no package for it in gutsy i had a 3rd party repo in feisty but it never worked for me
[08:09] <Amaranth> really, the old kernel and l-r-m have even been removed from the archive already
[08:09] <snadge> is there a guide to performance tweaking compiz, specific to nvidia/ati chipset etc?
[08:09] <Amaranth> snadge: we've already tweaked it
[08:09] <Amaranth> except for one little part
[08:09] <snadge> good.. thats probably why it just runs quicker now
[08:09] <ppj> which part of the topic was about nvidia?
[08:09] <cdm10> newsense_07: That's weird, Feisty had a beryl-plugins-unsupported thingy.
[08:09] <cdm10> ppj: the !stages part.
[08:09] <ppj> oh
[08:09] <Amaranth> snadge: install compizconfig-settings-manager and set your refresh rate to whatever your real refresh rate is, disable autodetection
[08:09] <ppj> !stages
[08:09] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:09] <cdm10> If you read !stages, it mentions binary drivers.
[08:10] <ppj> oh god
[08:10] <newsense_07> Amaranth: dont you host a 3rd party repo for feisty that includes compiz-fusion packages ?
[08:10] <cdm10> Question: Do these stages occur on Feisty as well?
[08:10] <Amaranth> cdm10: yes
[08:10] <cdm10> Or whatever the current stable version is?
[08:10] <cdm10> Amaranth: so a stable user could accidentally upgrade their kernel before their restricted-modules?
[08:10] <snadge> yeah except i suspect feisty is going to be dumped in droves once gutsy is released ;)
[08:10] <cdm10> That seems quite dangerous.
[08:10] <Amaranth> cdm10: Yes but only if the kernel ABI changes
[08:10] <Amaranth> which basically never happens after release
[08:11] <Amaranth> I think it's happened twice since 2004
[08:11] <snadge> i dist upgraded with nvidia binary module.. rebooted, everything works better than expected
[08:11] <Amaranth> Maybe only once
[08:11] <cdm10> Amaranth: ABI?
[08:11] <cdm10> Amaranth: I'm not familiar with that :)
[08:11] <Amaranth> cdm10: binary interface
[08:11] <cdm10> ok.
[08:11] <cdm10> I definitely have had several kernel upgrades in Feisty.
[08:11] <Amaranth> cdm10: if it changes the nvidia driver has to be recompiled
[08:11] <DanaG> I'm using nvidia 100.14.19, and I fixed my dual-core freezing by installing irqbalance.
[08:11] <cdm10> Some of them changed my drive letters!
[08:11] <snadge> Amaranth: whats this one tweak that you didnt mention? :P
[08:11] <Amaranth> cdm10: but no ABI changes
[08:12] <Amaranth> cdm10: after feisty release?
[08:12] <Amaranth> snadge: I did mention
[08:12] <Amaranth> snadge: install compizconfig-settings-manager and set your refresh rate to whatever your real refresh rate is, disable autodetection
[08:12] <snadge> scrolls back.. ahh yes you did
[08:12] <cdm10> Amaranth: yup, it started out /dev/sda, and with my HD making a weird clicking noise on every shutdown. Then, a month later, there was an upgrade, and it switched to /dev/hda and no weird clicky noise. Then, another month later or so, it went back.
[08:13] <cdm10> Now, in Gutsy, it's /dev/sda but no clicky noise.
[08:13] <snadge> Amaranth: already did that in feisty, it has remembered too
[08:13] <Amaranth> cdm10: A change like that would not happen after release
[08:13] <Amaranth> snadge: ok then, it's pretty much as tuned as it gets
[08:13] <cdm10> Amaranth: Well, it did, and many people complained about their letters changing in #ubuntu.
[08:13] <Amaranth> cdm10: On upgrade, sure
[08:14] <cdm10> Amaranth: Nope, this was probably a few weeks after release.
[08:14] <cdm10> I helped quite a few people set back up their ntfs-3g drives that had changed.
[08:14] <snadge> very smooth, just used nvclock to tweak up my ram and gpu speeds a bit.. and now its gold ;)
[08:15] <ppj> does anyone know of a gui program to control fanspeeds?
[08:15] <cdm10> I'm STILL getting the black window bug, despite the fact that the nvidia-glx-new driver is supposed to fix that.
[08:15] <ppj> i'd like something i can quickly change
[08:16] <cdm10> So, what's the difference between compiz-compcomm-plugins-main and compiz-fusion-plugins-main?
[08:17] <newsense_07> ppj: i dont even know of a non gui app to do that, sorry
[08:18] <usser> cdm10: compcomm is the old name so theres probably older plugins there
[08:18] <cdm10> usser: Yeah, that would be my guess, but still... why is it in the repos?
[08:18] <ppj> newsense_07, theres a few that use config files
[08:18] <newsense_07> i need a repo for unsupported-plugins
[08:19] <snadge> actually.. im amazed at the difference gutsy has made to compiz, its heaps smoother.. i can rotate cube, use expo etc with streaming mp3 playing with visualisations, and it doesnt skip at all
[08:19] <usser> cdm10: dunno makes no sense maybe they forgot to delete after all gutsy still beta
[08:19] <DanaG> My system still seems to get bogged down when under heavy I/O.
[08:19] <newsense_07> ppJ:nothing included in ubuntu tha i know of personally
[08:19] <ppj> snadge, if you open a terminal and maximize it by double clicking the menu bar does it keep shaking?
[08:19] <cdm10> DanaG: Yeah, mine too, I think it's just an inherent weirdness of Linux.
[08:19] <cdm10> Flaw, if you will.
[08:20] <DanaG> I think it may partly be NVIDIA, too.
[08:20] <snadge> ppj: no.. it seems to work as intended
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh, and my hard drive is 5400rpm.  :(
[08:20] <ppj> mine keeps shaking like its convulsing
[08:20] <ppj> :<
[08:20] <snadge> emerald has crashed twice now actually.. thats kind of disturbing
[08:20] <snadge> and now metacity has autoreloaded
[08:21] <usser> ppj: yea does it here too
[08:22] <newsense_07> anyone know of a gutsy package that includes the 3d windows plugin for compiz-=fusion ?
[08:22] <usser> newsense_07: what does that plugin do?
[08:22] <DanaG> I just use gtk-window-decorator.
[08:22] <newsense_07> windows stick out from the cube
[08:22] <DanaG> I disabled emerald by chmodding it -x.
[08:23] <usser> newsense_07: its there
[08:23] <newsense_07> usser: whats the package name the plugin is in ?
[08:24] <DanaG> Aack, when I type italic letters, they turn into boxes!
[08:24] <usser> newsense_07: im trying to find it
[08:24] <DanaG> WTFhell?
[08:24] <DanaG> oops, that's an "!ohmy", almost.
[08:24] <cdm10> lol
[08:25] <macogw> newsense_07: i noticed i couldnt find it
[08:25] <magnetron> !lol | cdm10
[08:25] <ubotu> cdm10: Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[08:25] <newsense_07> usser: i had it when i was running feisty using a 3rd party repo and it was in compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported i believe
[08:25] <usser> newsense_07: i could have sworn i seen it in gutsy's compiz
[08:26] <usser> newsense_07: cant find it now
[08:26] <cdm10> magnetron: Fair enough...
[08:27] <cdm10> Wow, compizconfig-settings-manager has some BIG issues.
[08:27] <cdm10> Or maybe I do.
[08:27] <cdm10> I can't figure out how to disable a key shortcut.
[08:31] <heartsblood> how do I get the error reports to stop?
[08:32] <newsense_07> power button
[08:36] <cdm10> Has anyone noticed randomly disappearing mouse pointers?
[08:36] <cdm10> Like, sometimes, whenever I'm over a text field it disappears.
[08:36] <cdm10> Other times it disappears when it switches to the busy pointer.
[08:39] <wedderburn> hello all, recently i upgraded to the new kernel+ resticted modules now when ever i start gutsy i get a xorg error because the nvidia kernel module can't be loaded, also when i go to the restricted driver app its not loaded i click on it and it says to restart on restart its still unloaded
[08:39] <cdm10> !stages
[08:39] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:40] <wedderburn> but i have the corresponding restricted modules
[08:40] <wedderburn> installed
[08:41] <wedderburn> brb
[08:42] <level1> hi, were the package issues from a couple of days ago fixed?
[08:43] <usser> level1: yes
[08:45] <level1> usser: is the RC out yet?
[08:46] <usser> level1: there will be no rc. i think its the last release till the actual release
[08:47] <level1> the beta you mean?
[08:47] <cdm10> Seriously?
[08:47] <usser> level1: yea
[08:47] <cdm10> I certainly hope not, the beta is BUGGY!
[08:47] <usser> cdm10: the updates are coming in every day
[08:47] <cdm10> Yeah.
[08:47] <cdm10> usser: The schedule says nothing about it being canceled.
[08:47] <cdm10> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate
[08:48] <level1> the only real bug I have left is a little problem with vesa and my screen resolution... otherwise its as close to a perfect release as I've ever had
[08:49] <cdm10> Well, my mouse cursors keep disappearing :(
[08:49] <heartsblood> why would mozilla crash if I type 'crash report detected' in the search box?
[08:49] <cdm10> heartsblood: That's WEIRD!
[08:49] <usser> cdm10: oh theres a rc hm somehow i was under the impression that ubuntu doesnt do rcs
[08:49] <cdm10> usser: Ah, ok. I thought you were saying it was canceled :)
[08:49] <heartsblood> cdm10: being funny, or serious?
[08:50] <cdm10> heartsblood: serious. It's really weird, if that's what it did.
[08:50] <level1> vesa is giving me 1600x1200 when I have a native resolution of 1920x1200
[08:50] <heartsblood> yeap.
[08:50] <heartsblood> that's not all
[08:50] <heartsblood> I keep getting spammed with a program crashing that isn't installed, and about every 3 seconds a window pops up saying movie player has crashed
[08:50] <cdm10> I wish they would change the default background. I mean, not only is it pretty ugly, but it's really bad quality! There are artifacts everywhere.
[08:50] <cdm10> heartsblood: ouch.
[08:51] <heartsblood> I dont even have totem installed atm I dont know wtf is going on :/
[08:51] <heartsblood> WHAT movie player?
[08:51] <heartsblood> is there anyway to increase the verbose lvl in the crash report thing?
[08:51] <defcon> anyone notice that gutsy loads gnome very slowly on boot
[08:52] <defcon> what is a good way to optimize boot/loading apps, feisty was much faster
[08:52] <defcon> dunno why, every special effect=disabled
[08:53] <heartsblood> is it possible to disable the crash report thing?
[08:53] <cdm10> Probably, but I don't know how.
[08:54] <heartsblood> ><
[08:56] <heartsblood> how do I change my tty fonts?  they changed when I upgraded to gutsy.
[09:15] <alecwh> Loving Gusty so far, but one small problem. The "window list" panel preferences dialog doesn't have a size option (where you can set minwidth and maxwidth) Screenshot: http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwindowlistprept1.png Can someone help?
[09:26] <darkchr0n0s> any idea if gutsy will work out of the box for ATi cards (mobility radeon x2300) and compiz-fusion also ?
[09:28] <VousDeux> I finally trapped an error with the guidance-power-manager: Warning: While setting SystemPowerManagement to  True :  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.NotSupported: No powersave method found
[09:30] <VousDeux> heh...google found nothing about it in english
[09:33] <alecwh>  Loving Gusty so far, but one small problem. The "window list" panel preferences dialog doesn't have a size option (where you can set minwidth and maxwidth) Screenshot: http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwindowlistprept1.png Can someone help?
[09:38] <Tomcat_> !gusty
[09:38] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[09:41] <heartsblood> how do I change the font size on a tty screan and what is the program called that gnome is using to report program crashses?
[09:47] <Lynoure> heartsblood: these might work in ubuntu too:  consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/font-file-name
[09:47] <Lynoure> heartsblood: and to change permanently, edit SCREEN_FONT in /etc/console-tools/config
[09:50] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[10:14] <level1> how can I use konqueror instead of dolphin as the default file manager?
[10:15] <Evanlec> u using kubuntu?
[10:16] <level1> Evanlec: yeah
[10:17] <level1> Evanlec: if there was a #kubuntu+1 I'd ask there :)
[10:17] <bicycledaav1> hi all, after upgraded to gusty, cupsys doesn't work well: /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket failed
[10:19] <pvandewyngaerde> level,      rigt click a folder , properties,   type folder >  click icon on the right >  set to open with konqueror
[10:20] <pvandewyngaerde> level1:  that should do the trick
[10:20] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: I left windows a year ago, and as it happens, windows had a really annoying bug related to this
[10:21] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: it kept opening the search utility when I clicked on a folder with no way to fix it
[10:21] <pvandewyngaerde> related ?? how can this ?
[10:22] <pvandewyngaerde> level1:    did it work ?
[10:23] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: I could still "use" the computer, but it was really annoying... I considering moving to linux anyway
[10:24] <pvandewyngaerde> i meant did it work to change  to konqueror with my instructions ?
[10:24] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: yes, thanks
[10:27] <pavi> hello , i have openssl installed and up to date , but when installing a particular software , i get error " cant open libssl.so.4 : no such file or directory " , is there any way to solve the problem ???? thanks
[10:31] <dissection> Anyone know if Gutsy will have a Blu-Ray movie player when its officially released?
[10:34] <pvandewyngaerde> dissection:   personnaly i dont think so
[10:35] <dissection> :[
[10:35] <pvandewyngaerde> it has to do with the  decryption
[10:36] <dissection> Can't it play the same way as it plays in Windows, right from the Disc?
[10:37] <mmkassem> dissection: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
[10:37] <dissection> Yeah, I've seen that. But that talks about ripping the movie to the hard drive.
[10:50] <Tomcat_> dissection: There's no legal Blu-ray player for Linux, so you'll have to do it that way. :I
[10:53] <DraconPern> persistence broken in beta/
[10:53] <DraconPern> ?
[10:54] <_Jaak_> displayconfig-gtk the one currently in the repo's is it kindoff the final version being released 18 oct?
[10:55] <ba5e> #vmware
[10:57] <_Jaak_> Is there anyone else that has no bottom gnome panel on startup (auto login)?
[10:57] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: I've had that once... clicking & dragging where the bottom panel should have been fixed it.
[10:58] <_Jaak_> kk
[10:58] <DraconPern> is launchpad having problems?
[10:58] <WGGMk> whats the command to list available usb drives?
[10:58] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: lsusb
[10:58] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: thanks
[10:59] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: how bout there mount points
[10:59] <_Jaak_> displayconfig-gtk isn't really working fine for me, not on a nvidia nor an a ati
[10:59] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: For USB drives, they are usually generated automatically, and lie in /media/<name>
[11:00] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: well this is really a cellphone connected via usb
[11:00] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Check syslog for items when you plugged it in. It might say something.
[11:00] <_Jaak_> Tomcat_, thanks it's fixed
[11:01] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Seems to be some compiz bug... hope it won't occur too often.
[11:01] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: sorry, where is the syslog located?
[11:01] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: /var/log/syslog
[11:02] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: What graphics card btw?
[11:02] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: thanks
[11:02] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Might be interesting if it happens more often.
[11:02] <_Jaak_> eeuhm nv7600gs atix600
[11:02] <Tomcat_> Mh. Okay, no match. :)
[11:03] <_Jaak_> displayconfig-gtk, kinda messes up my xorg.conf everytime i try it out
[11:03] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: File a bug then... :o
[11:03] <_Jaak_> yes i was but i don't know how to write it down
[11:04] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Write down what you did in displayconfig. Attach your old xorg.conf and your new one... describe how it's messed up for you.
[11:05] <_Jaak_> ok
[11:05] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Don't forget version numbers of your Ubuntu installation + displayconfig, and your graphics card/display info.
[11:06] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: When you're finished I can have a look at it to check what else might be neede.
[11:06] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: im not to sure on what i should be looking for.. it show's when its removed and added.. but i think it cant identify it properly
[11:06] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Plug in the cell phone and check syslog... the last couple of lines should tell you something about the new USB device.
[11:07] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Something like this: Oct  7 08:26:44 Hal9000 kernel: [ 4894.248799]  usb 1-9: new high speed USB devic
[11:07] <Tomcat_> e using ehci_hcd and address 4
[11:07] <_Jaak_> ok
[11:07] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: yea, but Im too dumb to go from there (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39829/)
[11:08] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Well, where do you want to go?
[11:09] <Tomcat_> The cell is attached and loaded as usb device... good so far.
[11:09] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: being able to mount the phone with read/write ability
[11:09] <Tomcat_> Mh... okay. Somebody needs to take over. No idea. ;)
[11:10] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: where though.. i can sudo mount /dev/cellphone location /media/cell if i know where its attached
[11:10] <Tomcat_> Yes, that's the question.
[11:10] <WGGMk> *sigh* thanks for the help so far.. anyone have any thoughts
[11:10] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Do you see anything unusual in Places => Computer?
[11:11] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Sometimes devices are in there and need to be mounted manually (double click)
[11:11] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: same old stuff
[11:11] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: If the cell has some USB options on the device, check if they are "correct"... like, attach as mass storage device, etc.
[11:12] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: they dont have those options
[11:12] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Mh. :\
[11:12] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: ?
[11:13] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Was my last try. I don't know... maybe the cell phone needs special software. :o
[11:15] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: yea i thought that, but BitPim says most linux kernel's support USB phones
[11:16] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Really depends on the phone though. If the phone doesn't announce a USB mass storage device, I doubt it's supported...
[11:17] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: =(
[11:17] <WGGMk> welp thanks for the help.. enough headaches for tonight.. gnite all
[11:19] <uga> heh, mots usb phones I saw so far are no much more than a simple usb sound card
[11:19] <uga> (in phone shape)
[11:28] <tokorona> Strigi is apparently notsuch a great idea.
[11:35] <phyrewall> gee this channel is active...
[11:36] <phyrewall> anyone able to get Envy to work under Gutsy?
[11:42] <gogeta> heh
[11:42] <gogeta> beta forgot to add xp to grub
[12:01] <freezerburn> I couldn't do a clean install of gutsy because somewhere in the install things get jumbled so I installed feisty first and now it seems I fumbled the gutsy upgrade.  I've got the alternate cd but it keeps wanting to do a partial upgrade, will that work or should I do something else?
[12:02] <phyrewall> for the most part, yes
[12:02] <gogeta> err
[12:02] <gogeta> most part beta is doing ok
[12:02] <gogeta> but grub does not list xp
[12:02] <phyrewall> I upgraded my feisty using update-manager -d
[12:02] <phyrewall> only a few major quirks... but easily solved
[12:02] <Amaranth> gogeta: Clean install?
[12:03] <phyrewall> either way, it's still a beta...
[12:03] <Amaranth> phyrewall: beta means almost done :
[12:03] <gogeta> yea
[12:03] <Amaranth> :P
[12:03] <phyrewall> the only real benifit is the newer kernel images, and I think you can manually upgrade those anyway
[12:04] <freezerburn> I'm just trying to do a clean ugrade again without the partial upgrade option can someone help me with that?
[12:04] <Amaranth> phyrewall: We are 11 days from release, if something doesn't work right now it's probably not going to be fixed.
[12:04] <gogeta> lol
[12:04] <gogeta> well
[12:04] <Amaranth> gogeta: Ok then, known issue
[12:04] <gogeta> fix?
[12:04] <Amaranth> If it was an upgrade from feisty something would be really wrong because update-grub isn't supposed to change that part of the file
[12:04] <gogeta> i tryed edting it manuly
[12:04] <schreder> where can I get xvid codec for totem?
[12:05] <Amaranth> gogeta: Oh, you don't know how to add it manualy
[12:05] <Amaranth> hmm
[12:05] <gogeta> tryed
[12:05] <Amaranth> schreder: Try to play an xvid file, it'll do all the work
[12:05] <gogeta> faile at it
[12:05] <schreder> yeah i know it shoult ask me if I want to search for a codec, but it just refuses to play the file
[12:06] <gogeta> title 		Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
[12:06] <gogeta> root 		(hd0,1)
[12:06] <gogeta> makeactive
[12:06] <gogeta> chainloader 	+1
[12:06] <gogeta> failed
[12:07] <Amaranth> gogeta: That's what I was going to tell you to do...
[12:07] <Amaranth> ouch
[12:07] <Amaranth> how does it fail?
[12:07] <bazhang> !bug#1
[12:07] <gogeta> says its not volid
[12:07] <gogeta> valid
[12:07] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[12:07] <gogeta> LOL
[12:07] <Amaranth> gogeta: try rootnoverify
[12:08] <phyrewall> Amaranth: yeah. I know.. I'm not complaining. I just wish there was... more to see upgraded, ya know?
[12:08] <schreder> Video codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[12:08] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Compiz is a big one
[12:08] <phyrewall> I mean, I've always run Compiz-Fusion, so that's not "new" to me...
[12:08] <Amaranth> phyrewall: heh
[12:09] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Trust me, it works much better in gutsy
[12:09] <Brucevdk> schreder: libxvidcore4 perhaps?
[12:09] <phyrewall> Amaranth: true, it being integrated maybe means more support for it.
[12:09] <schreder> tried it, didn't help
[12:09] <Amaranth> phyrewall: We've made changes to other apps to make it all fit in
[12:09] <phyrewall> Amaranth: are you running Gutsy?
[12:09] <Amaranth> schreder: You're using totem, right?
[12:09] <schreder> yeah
[12:09] <Amaranth> schreder: and gutsy?
[12:09] <schreder> yeah
[12:09] <schreder> :)
[12:09] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Since day 1
[12:09] <schreder> well it broke after I upgraded
[12:09] <Amaranth> schreder: That dialog should have a button that will install the codec for you
[12:09] <phyrewall> don't suppose you'd whisper me your sources.list ?? :)
[12:10] <Amaranth> phyrewall: It's stock
[12:10] <phyrewall> boring! :P
[12:10] <Amaranth> Why would I have anything else?
[12:10] <gogeta> errrr
[12:10] <schreder> amaranth it only has an OK button :P it the button was there I would have clicked it, im not stupid :P
[12:10] <gogeta> stillsays not valed
[12:10] <freezerburn> After I click on the Upgrade button the download tool is downloaded then the window goes away and nothing happens.  Anyone know what's up?
[12:10] <Amaranth> gogeta: Then your windows partition is dead
[12:11] <gogeta> noope
[12:11] <Amaranth> schreder: Ok then, install gstreamer0.10-*
[12:11] <gogeta> i mounted it in linux
[12:11] <gogeta> its alive
[12:11] <Amaranth> gogeta: Dunno what to tell you, I don't use Windows
[12:11] <Amaranth> gogeta: And the setup you have _should_ work
[12:11] <phyrewall> glad to see the esd error was fixed today
[12:11] <Amaranth> gogeta: if you could give a more accurate error message...
[12:12] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Because seeing a message about esd missing once (and only on a terminal) is so painful, eh? :P
[12:12] <gogeta> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39832/
[12:12] <gogeta> not valed or expection then goes back to grub
[12:12] <phyrewall> again, not complaing, just happy. I'm a sysadmin by trade, error msgs annoy me. I want my engine to purr, ya know?
[12:12] <gogeta> thrs my config
[12:12] <schreder> amaranth, that didn't help either. Maybe I should remove some old configs? I tried reinstalling totem, but with no luck..
[12:13] <Amaranth> gogeta: Ok, first of all, don't put it inside the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST section
[12:13] <Amaranth> gogeta: it'll get wiped out on the next kernel update
[12:13] <Amaranth> schreder: Weird, if you installed all those packages you definitely have xvid support
[12:13] <gogeta> its the menulist
[12:13] <Amaranth> schreder: Unless you're using totem-xine
[12:14] <phyrewall> Amaranth: Are the Commercial repos for Gutsy going active in 11 days as well?
[12:14] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Probably not
[12:14] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Only thing in there is realplayer and opera anyway
[12:14] <gogeta> but k
[12:15] <phyrewall> true. so, are Trevinos repos pointless now that compiz is integrated?
[12:15] <gogeta> no problem moving it
[12:15] <gogeta> anything else
[12:15] <bazhang> phyrewall: yes
[12:15] <Amaranth> phyrewall: They were always worthless
[12:16] <Amaranth> Oh, you said pointless :P
[12:16] <phyrewall> ouch!
[12:16] <phyrewall> so, on my beloved Dell XPS M170 laptop, running Gutsy, the only repos I should ever want are the stock? Is that what you're selling? :)
[12:16] <schreder> amaranth, ah thanks for that one.. totem-xine package was the problem, removed it, installed totem again and everything works now :)
[12:16] <Amaranth> gogeta: dunno what to tell you, see if you can find something on google
[12:17] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Yes :)
[12:17] <Amaranth> phyrewall: The only thing you'll probably want to add is libdvdcss
[12:17] <freezerburn> there we go, downloading the alternate cd for an upgrade is so much faster than downloading each part
[12:17] <phyrewall> allrighty, commenting out every non-stock repo... :)
[12:17] <Amaranth> phyrewall: We even have the improved font rendering stuff in gutsy now :)
[12:18] <phyrewall> last repo question... lol... what about medibuntu?
[12:18] <phyrewall> God, maybe I should clean install then... dammit.
[12:18] <Amaranth> well w32codecs is only useful for realmedia but you might want to snag libdvdcss2 from it
[12:18] <phyrewall> I probably have tons of trash on my system now that everything's builtin.
[12:19] <apecat> hmm, what should i do, i have a freshly installed gutsy system on a machine that needs the following compiled to get a functioning network interface (and it's a goddamn minipci motherboard i bought from a friend, no free pci slots for any of the random old 3com nics i have around) http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[12:19] <phyrewall> woah... apecat... use tinyurl pls
[12:19] <apecat> the problem is that i obviously don't have any compilers and kernel-headers/sources
[12:19] <freezerburn> I had a problem with graphics drivers and old compiz and I had upgraded the past 5 or 6 releases guess it was time to do the clean install
[12:19] <rhalff> Hi I'm at the console of the beta installer cd, X just failed and I changed the driver to nvidia instead of nv, any clue on how I can continue the installation process ?
[12:20] <apecat> phyrewall: hehmm, sry, i have a wide irssi window, didn't realize the lenght of it
[12:20] <Amaranth> apecat: Actually a clean install includes everything you need to compile a kernel module
[12:20] <apecat> zomg
[12:20] <Amaranth> Since, oh, dapper or edgy
[12:20] <apecat> woot.. nobody told me x)
[12:21] <apecat> thx
[12:21] <rhalff> how to restart the setup process at the console of the install cd ?
[12:22] <gogeta> hummm\
[12:22] <gogeta> maybe it did eat windows
[12:22] <gogeta> grub error13
[12:23] <phyrewall> ok, my sources.list is nasty.. I can't remember what's supposed to be there and what's not... can someone send me a link to the stock Gutsy one?
[12:24] <phyrewall> wait.. I'm being dumb...
[12:24] <phyrewall> sigh.. I can't believe I forgot the "Software Sources" app.
[12:24] <bazhang> phyrewall: you did a fresh install or through terminal?
[12:25] <stefg> !easysource
[12:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:25] <phyrewall> terminal... well actually through update-manager -d
[12:25] <bazhang> should be -c -d right?
[12:26] <phyrewall> ummm. I just put -d. maybe I assed that up.
[12:26] <AnRkey> I cant change my window borders in gutsy. No matter what I choose it stays the same (compiz on)
[12:26] <AnRkey> compiz off and I can change the borders
[12:27] <gogeta> fixed
[12:27] <gogeta> it was my formation
[12:28] <gogeta> wasent 0,1 was 0,1
[12:28] <phyrewall> running "Software Sources" and removing all the 3rd party sources should get me back to stock I assume.
[12:28] <gogeta> i mean 0,0
[12:29] <bazhang> phyrewall: yup.
[12:29] <Tomcat_> phyrewall: Installed 3rd party software won't be removed though.
[12:30] <phyrewall> well, yeah. but it'll keep 3rd party updates from installing.
[12:30] <phyrewall> but....
[12:30] <Tomcat_> phyrewall: Yes. :)
[12:30] <phyrewall> I'm getting the "clean install itch" now...
[12:30] <phyrewall> hmmm...
[12:31] <phyrewall> dammit!
[12:31] <phyrewall> I left windows cause I got the clean install itch at least monthly....
[12:33] <gogeta> to make windows boot by defult i change it to boot entry 3 correct
[12:33] <gogeta> been a wile hear
[12:33] <gogeta> sence it direct boots now rather have to start windows unles esc is pressed
[12:37] <njende> Hi folks!
[12:38] <njende> will anyone tell me, with which kernel gutsy comes along?
[12:38] <phyrewall> atm, 2.6.22-13-generic
[12:39] <njende> cool...that should do...thx
[12:39] <phyrewall> actually, that's from the latest update. I think the CD is 22-12?
[12:40] <njende> phyrewall: I hope than thats the one I'm actually the one I'm doenloading
[12:40] <savvas> I think 2.6.22-10-generic
[12:40] <phyrewall> ah. either way, 2.6.22 instead of 20
[12:40] <savvas> or maybe that's from the tribe 5, can't remember
[12:41] <Franken> Hey! Do you guys know if the 3d support is back for NV+Compiz Fusion yet? I know the last packages were broken and that reinstalling GG wouldn't help.
[12:42] <savvas> hm..
[12:42] <savvas> Franken: nvidia & compiz work here
[12:42] <Franken> savvas, they do? And you're using Gutsy and the latest updates?
[12:42] <savvas> yep
[12:42] <savvas> :)
[12:42] <savvas> all the new toys!
[12:42] <njende> phyrewall: *g* I'm pretty much in some kinda trouble, as two new machines wont boot with the latest debian testing cd. One has major probs with the onboad SATA [ATI]  controller, the other one - its a Notebook - has got probs with SiS chipsets [hdd/nic] 
[12:43] <njende> the client had on my mind to get a debian, but he'll be happy with whatever distro as long as its debian-based
[12:43] <njende> so I thought gutsy might be a goer
[12:45] <njende> Franken: wow...that's been long
[12:45] <njende> ;)
[12:45] <Franken> :P
[12:48] <_Argasm> in Services, what is "User Folders Update" and "Visual" ??? and do I need them enabled ???
[12:50] <_Argasm> anyone talking ???
[12:51] <_Argasm> in Services, what is "User Folders Update" and "Visual" ??? and do I need them enabled ???
[12:52] <Franken> savvas, you there m8?
[12:52] <Franken> I have a question for ya =)
[12:53] <_Argasm> I think everyone is sleeping :P
[12:53] <Franken> Aye, seems to be the case here :P
[12:54] <Franken> Thing is that I can't get Gutsy+latest updates+NV7950GT+Compiz to work.
[12:54] <Franken> It did work swell untill a few days ago when some updates came down with an attitude
[12:54] <Evanlec> is there a command to put my monitor in power-save mode (aka off)
[12:54] <_Argasm> that's way over my head I'm afraid...  dont even use compiz
[12:55] <Franken> _Argasm, cheers anyways m8. I think it's over my head too =)
[12:55] <_Argasm> lol...  still figuring out the new services in 7.10... got things I need disabled
[12:56] <Franken> Hehe, if I were you I'd just let them be. Atleast untill Gutsy is released in sharp-mode.
[12:57] <_Argasm> good point... am always tweaking my file systems for speed and low-memory footprints... ;) had XP down to 40mb mem at one point and booting in 10 secs... but Ubuntu kicks it's ass
[12:57] <Franken> Yeah! I started out with Ubuntu 2 months ago and threw out every MS-OS I had on all my comps. I'll never go back there again.
[12:58] <hylje> _Argasm: i think getting a featured distro and stripping down is pointless, 'cause one can have a stripped-down distro to begin with
[12:58] <Franken> Dsl! = Damn small linux :P
[12:58] <Franken> DSL is so small I think you can run it on a pack of Ciggarettes
[12:59] <Franken> Brb. Have to reboot =)
[12:59] <Bosambo> Hi all
[12:59] <_Argasm> hylje: DLS is pretty good, but I like all the features of Ubuntu & Gnome... I just like turning OFF things I dont need or use like the file Indexing and srevices
[01:06] <bsm> Hi, ideas anyone where ipw3945d-`uname -r went after the latest update?
[01:06] <bsm> or at least in which package it should be?
[01:06] <_Argasm> has anyone had any trouble setting up their wireless card when they switched to 7.10 ???
[01:07] <bazhang> bsm: you could search packages.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <bazhang> or !pin
[01:07] <bazhang> !pin
[01:07] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[01:07] <bazhang> oops, wrong command sorry ubotu
[01:10] <bsm> ah, he forgot to upgrade the restricted modules somehow...
[01:10] <bazhang> bsm: that would do it...
[01:11] <luca> hi everyone
[01:11] <OldPink> Been using nothing but Ubuntu for over a year now, usually upgrade to the next release at RC time, thinking of upgrading to Gutsy now, have some free time, what do you think, is it ready, am I ready for it? :)
[01:11] <luca> am I the only one for whom Gnome stopped working altogether?
[01:11] <bazhang> hi luca!
[01:11] <luca> hi :)
[01:11] <bazhang> well since I use KDE, yes?
[01:12] <luca> I solved the Nvidia problem btw - installed the binary driver :P
[01:12] <luca> well myself I am a KDE guy :)
[01:12] <bazhang> yess!
[01:12] <luca> but today I tried login into Gnome both with KDM and GDM...and I cannot.
[01:12] <bazhang> what's the gnome issue then?
[01:12] <tech0007> hi everyone!
[01:12] <luca> nice to see there are other KDE people around :D
[01:12] <bazhang> hi tech0007!
[01:13] <luca> yeah no real issue...but it stinks :(
[01:13] <bazhang> talk to the gnome people about that..haha
[01:13] <tech0007> im on feisty right now..is gutsy ready for me hehe
[01:13] <tech0007> i mean is gusty stable enough?
[01:13] <bazhang> tech0007: the question should be are you ready for Gutsy?
[01:13] <bazhang> stable here.
[01:14] <OldPink> I heard there are some kernel issues on laptops?
[01:14] <luca> tech0007: I did the switch, and I am very happy. But there are tons of upgrades/bug fixing every other day
[01:14] <bsm> I get new problems and solutions with every upgrade
[01:14] <luca> OldPink: Nvidia drivers do not function any more if installed with apt-get right now
[01:14] <tech0007> when will it be released?
[01:14] <luca> !stages
[01:14] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[01:14] <bazhang> 10/18
[01:15] <luca> tech007 I would wait some days unless you are willing to get your hands dirty :)
[01:15] <tech0007> ok..think i'll jst wait...time enough to add more RAM to my system
[01:15] <bazhang> hahaha
[01:15] <OldPink> luca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569535 :)
[01:15] <bsm> I'll go and try entrance with ubuntu :)
[01:15] <luca> I have to say however that the new kernel rocks in terms of power consumption
[01:15] <bazhang> no question.
[01:15] <OldPink> luca: that might be you, of course, just sounds similar to your problem?
[01:15] <luca> I did gain about 2 hours also using powertop :)
[01:15] <bazhang> wow
[01:15] <luca> OldPink: let me see
[01:16] <luca> yeah exactly
[01:16] <luca> only I do not get even the bars
[01:16] <OldPink> Interesting
[01:16] <tech0007> does gutsy have more support for phone connectivity and legacy usb webcams?
[01:16] <luca> and yes, gnome apps stopped working...not a big deal, except for tracker :(
[01:16] <luca> tech0007: no idea really
[01:16] <bazhang> no idea..
[01:17] <luca> usb webcams patches have been included into the kernel since 7.04 or 6.10 though
[01:17] <luca> if it functions on linux, then it is already installed in ubuntu, practically :)
[01:18] <OldPink> ... gutsy isn't LTS, is it?
[01:18] <luca> nope
[01:18] <luca> hardy heron (april) will be
[01:18] <OldPink> Yeah, I remember now, thanks.
[01:19] <OldPink> For all those that stuck with Dapper, will there be a Dapper > Hardy upgrade?
[01:19] <OldPink> From LTS to LTS?
[01:19] <bazhang> yeah, it's called ISO
[01:19] <luca> OldPink: really, no idea, but I think that a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade *might* do the trick in paril
[01:19] <luca> april
[01:20] <bazhang> and ten thousand packages.
[01:20] <OldPink> I don't have any Dapper systems, just wondering
[01:20] <luca> yeah probably
[01:20] <stefg> This is never going to work
[01:20] <luca> well I dunno but last LTS was WAY different from even feisty
[01:21] <luca> I'v been in Ubuntu since Dapper, I should know :) I had a lot of problems until Feisty...that edition rocked for me :)
[01:22] <luca> uhm seems at least that we are in kernel freeze right now
[01:22] <OldPink> I started with Dapper, 6.06
[01:22] <bazhang> me too
[01:22] <OldPink> Haven't had *any* problems
[01:23] <OldPink> On any release
[01:23] <bazhang> Feisty was bad for me.
[01:23] <OldPink> Don't fresh install, update-manager all the way, straight into release candidate ASAP.
[01:23] <tech0007> tried different distros before...feisty has it all
[01:23] <luca> well bazhang feisty had a lot of nice things for laptops
[01:23] <chronographer> Hello anyone good at ftp trouble shooting? I got a new ftp server and I can connect to it through my lan's ip address, i want to test through the internet. I should just be able to go to whatsmyip.com and use that ip rather than my lan one from a local area computer right?
[01:23] <bazhang> OldPink: wow.
[01:24] <luca> ah! I have fresh-installed more times than it should be legally allowed :P
[01:24] <Lynoure> OldPink: all hardware and software has always worked perfectly and no weird drivers or adjusting needed? Lucky, unless you chose you hw for linux (in which case, skilled)
[01:24] <bazhang> luca: it was nice, but I had an external pcmcia card, and that's really not on Linux..haha
[01:24] <luca> but that's because I am an irresponsible experimenter :P
[01:24] <luca> ah got ya ;)
[01:24] <luca> flash cards work flawlessly though
[01:25] <luca> dunno about firewire...have two ports, but no firewire hardware :)
[01:25] <bazhang> my new box has a slot for md's!
[01:25] <OldPink> Lynoure, luck. :) I didn't build my desktop, it's an all in one thing, all built into the monitor, looks pretty good with wireless keyboard and mouse. So yeah, pure luck. As for the laptop, well that started on Feisty, yet to upgrade it :)
[01:26] <Lynoure> OldPink: Then you must tell us the brand and make of the computer, at least.
[01:27] <bazhang> Lynoure: it really is a good idea to find stuff that is Linux friendly; thanks for pointing that out!
[01:27] <OldPink> Lynoure: "Clevo" - http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/index.asp
[01:28] <OldPink> Lynoure: I think they're purely laptop now, haven't looked in a while
[01:29] <Lynoure> OldPink: they have something called L297N that matches your description.
[01:30] <OldPink> It's similar, but more attractive, the L297N is pretty ugly. Don't have the model number right now, on the laptop :)
[01:31] <OldPink> Actually, I made a post on a forum about it, I'll try and find it
[01:31] <bazhang> please do!
[01:31] <Lynoure> OldPink: that's good. That way other people can consider that hardware with relevant information.
[01:34] <OldPink> I hotlinked the image from clevo.com.tw, and since the product was taken off, the image no longer works :(
[01:35] <OldPink> Lynoure: Specification: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:GrLog28N6hkJ:www.clevo.com.tw/products/L295N.asp+clevo+L295N&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
[01:35] <OldPink> Lynoure: Image: http://www.hundyx.net/Producto/imagenes/LPL295N.jpg
[01:37] <Lynoure> OldPink: thanks
[01:41] <chronographer> since were talking clevo, anyone got a tablet laptop with a touchscreen and got the touchscreen working?
[01:42] <chronographer> erm... a clevo tablet?
[01:44] <hetauma> any ideas why when I run vncviewer I can't type anything on the dialogue box of server's address ?
[01:45] <mez_> Hi, why is my sda1 (ntfs partition) being devmapped? mounting through regular /dev/sda1 returns device-busy...  /dev/mapper/sda1 works, but still....
[01:50] <haranp> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy and my video card doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[01:51] <haranp> radeon 200 if it matters
[01:51] <rexy> what driver are you using?
[01:52] <haranp> how can I check?
[01:52] <chronographer> haranp: are you using the -13 kernel? cause I think that one is broken
[01:52] <haranp> (was using fglrx, after the upgrade fglrxinfo crashes X)
[01:52] <haranp> yup, 13
[01:52] <chronographer> it overwrote my xorg.conf and many other ppl's
[01:53] <chronographer> so if you can, use 12
[01:53] <haranp> 2.6.22-13-generic
[01:53] <chronographer> until its fixed
[01:53] <haranp> how do I do that?
[01:53] <chronographer> erm....  can you install it in synaptic?
[01:53] <haranp> (ubuntu newbie, sorry)
[01:53] <haranp> no X
[01:53] <haranp> but I can use apt-get
[01:53] <chronographer> oh shit
[01:53] <chronographer> hold on
[01:53] <haranp> comfortable with the command line if that help
[01:54] <chronographer> sudo apt-get intst alllinux-image-2.6.22-12-generic     <-- I think that will workl, anyone else tell me if it will?
[01:54] <haranp> intst -> install ?
[01:55] <chronographer> hopefully it will be automagically added to (yeah) you grub boot menu
[01:55] <chronographer> sudo apt-get intstall linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic
[01:55] <haranp> couldn't find package
[01:56] <haranp> let me check for misspellings on my end...
[01:56] <haranp> nope, doesn't exist
[01:57] <chronographer> do 'apt-cache search 2.6.22'
[01:57] <haranp> changing -12 to -13 says "already have newest version" so it's not a misspelling
[01:57] <chronographer> maybe use aptitude
[01:57] <Vorian> (you can also tab complete)
[01:57] <haranp> I have -xen, -rt, -ume, but not -generic
[01:57] <haranp> (for -12, I mean)
[01:58] <chronographer> ok.
[01:58] <haranp> hm, is -rt ok?
[01:59] <chronographer> i dont know
[01:59] <haranp> let me check my sources
[01:59] <haranp> I have gutsy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe
[02:00] <haranp> any suggestion for a source for -12-generic?
[02:00] <chronographer> it may not be in the repositories any more.
[02:00] <haranp> bummer
[02:01] <haranp> any way to fallback on standard vesa? kill the restricted drivers etc?
[02:01] <haranp> I'm fine with slow X as long as I have *some* X :)
[02:02] <rexy> you can try the open source radeon driver, not sure if you need to enter ati or radeon though
[02:02] <chronographer> Im not sure, I tried a few different combinations and yesterday someone else was in here saying X wouldn't work. So I would wait till a new update is released!  It opens up with the new screen setting wizard thing though right?
[02:02] <haranp> chronographer: no
[02:03] <haranp> actually the login screen shows up...
[02:03] <phyrewall> ok, crazy question.... can you burn a bootable iso to a DVD-RW and have it boot?
[02:03] <haranp> then logging in starts showing the screen, then decides to go blank and stay blank
[02:03] <slackern> the opensource driver for ati/amd r5xx/r6xx gpu's is in #radeonhd if thats what you are looking for
[02:03] <chronographer> YES
[02:03] <phyrewall> I can't find any blank CD-Rs.... :(
[02:03] <chronographer> phyrewall you can
[02:03] <bazhang> phyrewall: sure, why not?
[02:03] <phyrewall> awesome.
[02:04] <haranp> slackern: radeon 200 counts or not?
[02:04] <phyrewall> will gnomebaker do it correctly?
[02:04] <slackern> haranp: hmm not sure, thats a laptop chip, maybe best to check with the devs there
[02:04] <haranp> willdo, thanks
[02:05] <slackern> haranp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units maybe you can find your chip there too
[02:06] <chronographer> phyrewall: all will do it fine, its the same thing in the end, except that cd drives wont read dvd's
[02:06] <slackern> haranp: maybe i should say that the driver is still experimental and it doesn't do much except show a working screen with correct modes detected (hopefully) and it can't do most of acceleration that you might want
[02:06] <bazhang> haranp: I had a 340M radeon from way back (7 years ago) that worked ok--but not really too good with 3d graphics..haha
[02:07] <haranp> autodetect gives this line:
[02:07] <haranp> ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] 
[02:07] <rexy> my M6 mobility works(*ed) too
[02:07] <slackern> haranp: ahh r4xx chip then, won't work with that driver then i guess =/
[02:07] <haranp> oh well
[02:07] <phyrewall> chronographer: thanks
[02:08] <phyrewall> a clean install will give me time to watch Labyrinth...lol.
[02:08] <phyrewall> and, no, not "Pan's  Labyrinth"
[02:09] <phyrewall> David Bowie in what my wife calls "crotch-pants" Labyrinth. rofl
[02:16] <IndyGunFreak> does anyone know why Gutsy doesn't have a working version of Gparted?
[02:16] <haranp> aha, now it's working, just very very slow (and konsole crashes X)
[02:16] <IndyGunFreak> it just freezes on "Scanning All Devices" on my PC and my laptop
[02:17] <phyrewall> well, doing a clean install. if I'm not back in 20 minutes, pray for me. ;)
[02:18] <chronographer> Indy: use the gparted live CD
[02:18] <IndyGunFreak> chronographer: wel i did that, actually used the partedmagic live CD, same thing almost, but i just like having a working version on my install,
[02:21] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: gparted maintainer has been looking for someone to take over support since 7/07
[02:21] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: oh is that right?... didn't know that.
[02:21] <IndyGunFreak> well, qtparted sucks... i hate it.
[02:21] <bazhang> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php
[02:23] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: parted magic is being abandoned, too.
[02:23] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: really?..geez that sucks.. wish i was smart enough to make it myself.
[02:24] <_Jaak_> How do i restart bluez in gutsy? (sudo /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart doesn't work)
[02:24] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: the reason the parted magic maintainer gave was that Ubuntu and others have their own excellent tools, so no need to carry on..
[02:24] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: what is ubuntu's partitioner?
[02:25] <snadge> what happened to the grand paradiso packages?
[02:25] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: not sure, sorry.
[02:25] <IndyGunFreak> np.
[02:25] <IndyGunFreak> oh well, i guess as long as my partedmagic live cd never bites the dust, it'll be OK.
[02:26] <gunny> gparted can also get live cd for it
[02:26] <bazhang> haha
[02:27] <hetauma> for gutsy with ati.... compiz-fusion works fine with the ati driver... should I download the restricted one ?
[02:30] <chronographer> I find that a few packages don't work perfect in gutsy. it is unstable still!  Firestarter keeps dying on me, that sucks. I don't use gparted except for in a live cd tho
[02:33] <snadge> wtf happened to granparadiso? :P
[02:33] <slackern> anyone else had nautilus not showing remote hosts after adding them through "connect to server", it works if nautilus is restarted
[02:33] <snadge> the package has just vanished into thin air
[02:34] <omha> hey
[02:34] <omha> anybody know where i can get any information/howto on libnotify and python
[02:36] <tobias> hi all! I've got a little sound-problem: Everything works fine at first boot, but when hibernating, the sound makes a cracking noise and doesn't work anymore after waking Ubuntu up again.
[02:36] <tobias> Ubuntu doesn't show any error-messages and all settings indicate the sound is working
[02:36] <slackern> snadge: firefox-granparadiso is still installed on my machine
[02:37] <tobias> I can even play music etc. without errors... but there's just nothing coming out of the speakers anymore - No matter what I try.
[02:37] <tobias> After re-booting, everything is fine again - until the next hibernation.
[02:38] <tobias> What can I do?
[02:43] <njende> tobias: whats your soundplayer? Alsa or oss? Maybe you want to try alsaconf?
[02:45] <njende> tobias: ...and amixer
[02:46] <tobias> njende: I just found a bug-report in Launchpad about my problem... digging through the responses right now. I didn't find it earlier. I hope it'll tell me a solution... I'll get back to you!
[02:46] <njende> np
[02:48] <snadge> slackern: but is it installable?
[02:52] <bsm> hi, out of nothing knetworkmanager stopped working, it gives me: Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.19" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[02:52] <savvas> Granparadiso Web Browser cannot be installed on your computer type (amd64)
[02:52] <savvas> Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type.
[02:52] <savvas> lol
[02:52] <bsm> seems like a dbus error, bu i did not change anything dbus related
[02:53] <savvas> snadge: negative, the package seems to be removed
[02:57] <compwiz18> has anyone had issues with the system monitor applet in gnome freezing, and the wireless card loosing connection at the same time?
[03:09] <spr0k3t> compwiz18: yes... but it was back in tribe 5... I haven't seen it since.  Using an atheros chipset
[03:10] <compwiz18> spr0k3t, I used the install cd from tribe 5 then have been updating, so I shouldn't see it anymore... are you using amd64 or i386?
[03:10] <spr0k3t> amd64
[03:10] <compwiz18> same here
[03:11] <spr0k3t> the problem may also depend on your chipset for the wireless card.
[03:11] <compwiz18> I'm using ndiswrapper
[03:11] <compwiz18> I'm trying to decide if I should go file a bug report
[03:11] <spr0k3t> which card?
[03:12] <compwiz18> broadcom 4318
[03:12] <spr0k3t> curious... have you tried the fwcutter found in the repos?
[03:13] <compwiz18> yeah, I've used it before, but its a little tipsy
[03:13] <spr0k3t> I have a lappy with the 4318 and it's solid with gutsy
[03:14] <compwiz18> using fwcutter?
[03:14] <spr0k3t> yeah
[03:14] <compwiz18> hm
[03:14] <compwiz18> well
[03:14] <compwiz18> I guess that's the thing to do then
[03:15] <spr0k3t> give it a shot... see what you think.
[03:15] <compwiz18> I'll do that
[03:15] <compwiz18> thanks
[03:15] <kling0n> i experience a hang in when running "update-manager -d"... there is no significant output in the console but the step is "Modifying the software channel" and the update process has stopped at file 47 out of 56
[03:15] <kling0n> any suggestions ?
[03:16] <kling0n> btw trying to upgrade from feisty to gusty beta if that wasn't obvious from context :)
[03:16] <spr0k3t> wired connection or wireless?
[03:16] <kling0n> wired
[03:17] <spr0k3t> hmm
[03:17] <kling0n> this is about 3rd run
[03:17] <kling0n> previously it has stopped at file 37
[03:17] <kling0n> but I dont really have any data since thre is no output
[03:17] <kling0n> figured it might be load on the server or something
[03:18] <spr0k3t> let me check to see if there's a bug filed for that... I think I've heard of that issue before.
[03:18] <kling0n> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg
[03:18] <kling0n> ah got some output after pressing cancel
[03:18] <kling0n> but just a bunch of "failed to fetch"
[03:19] <spr0k3t> now that makes sense...
[03:19] <kling0n> gpg fetches fine with curl
[03:19] <spr0k3t> are your repos updated with the correct keys?
[03:19] <kling0n> I'm trying to follow the upgrade path specified at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[03:19] <kling0n> so no
[03:19] <kling0n> it should be handling that
[03:19] <kling0n> i believe
[03:20] <kling0n> console output:
[03:20] <kling0n> [cip@gamebox /etc/apt/sources.list.d] $ update-manager -d
[03:20] <kling0n> extracting '/tmp/tmpnZoayh/gutsy.tar.gz'
[03:20] <kling0n> authenticate '/tmp/tmpnZoayh/gutsy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpnZoayh/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg'
[03:20] <spr0k3t> that is the correct update path
[03:20] <kling0n> seems it authenticates
[03:20] <hetauma> can some1 tell me compiz-fusion on ati works better with the default driver or with the restricted one?
[03:21] <savvas> the restricted ones always have extra goodies :)
[03:21] <kling0n> hetauma: AIGLX or XGL ?
[03:21] <savvas> otherwise they wouldn't be restricted :P
[03:21] <bazhang> hetauma: I heard someone earlier today say that theirs worked fine with the standard. ymmv
[03:22] <spr0k3t> kling0n: have you looked into the meta-release troubleshooting on that page?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: it depends on how new your card is..
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: how old is it?
[03:22] <hetauma> kling0n, no idea just after installation it works fine with ati driver
[03:22] <kling0n> spr0k3t: nopes
[03:22] <kling0n> ill give it a shot
[03:23] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, mobility 9600 2years old or something
[03:23] <spr0k3t> check that as it looks like it may help with the signatures in gpg
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: try the open drivers first...
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: is its too slow, go to the restricted ones
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: with the restricted ones, you will also need XGL
[03:23] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, it works fine with the open ones
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: compiz works fine?
[03:24] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, yeap
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: then stay with them, they are more stable.
[03:24] <spr0k3t> kling0n: the other option you have is to d/l the daily.torrent and update from that.
[03:24] <kling0n> might be useful to include that error message in the output from update-manager :)
[03:24] <kling0n> hmm
[03:24] <kling0n> i'd rather not :)
[03:25] <kling0n> I prefer apt upgrades
[03:25] <spr0k3t> nod
[03:25] <hetauma> any ideas if there is some good development on ati drivers now since amd released chipset data?
[03:26] <spr0k3t> anyway, time for bed... is getting late
[03:26] <bazhang> haha
[03:26] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, how do I install xgl if I want to tryout restricted drivers?
[03:26] <kling0n> ah now i got some useful output
[03:26] <kling0n> some sort of dbus error by the looks of it
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl" but
[03:27] <kling0n> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39856/
[03:27] <savvas> hetauma: shouldn't the restricted drivers manager take care of the dependencies?
[03:28] <hetauma> savvas, I guess so
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> savvas: not with XGL
[03:32] <Lunar_Lamp> I keep trying to install various packages and getting told that "package x is required, but is a virtual package".
[03:32] <Lunar_Lamp> How can I solve that?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> never seen that error
[03:35] <superbenny> ok when i upgraded from 7.04, knetworkmanager stopped seeing my card. intel chipset. im connected via wifi-radar, and lshw sees my card ans iwcongif sees my network
[03:36] <kling0n> superbenny: try commenting out the interface in /etc/network/interfaces and restart hal
[03:39] <superbenny> restart hal?
[03:39] <superbenny> command?
[03:41] <compwiz18> superbenny, sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[03:42] <superbenny> nothing
[03:42] <superbenny> didnt work
[03:47] <njende> hi there!
[03:47] <bazhang> hiya!
[03:48] <njende> one question, I'm trying to install gutsy, but the installer hangs while installing the language packs
[03:48] <njende> so, the installer is at 87% and nothing happens. That's not normal, is it?
[03:48] <bazhang> njende: are you doing a fresh install?
[03:48] <njende> bazhang: yep
[03:49] <bazhang> njende: how long does it hangt?
[03:49] <bazhang> hang?
[03:49] <njende> bazhang: for like ~3-5mins now
[03:49] <VousDeux> it's probably waiting for the translator
[03:50] <bazhang> njende: that's not too long--lots of folks are upgrading now, so wait a bit and see what happens..
[03:50] <bazhang> hi VousDeux
[03:50] <VousDeux> hello bazhang
[03:50] <bazhang> VousDeux: you all set?
[03:51] <superbenny> i upgraded from 7.04, knetworkmanager stopped seeing my card. intel chipset. im connected via wifi-radar, and lshw sees my card ans iwcongif sees my network
[03:51] <VousDeux> not really, but I'm not sure anything can be done about it
[03:51] <bazhang> have you talked to the kernel people?
[03:51] <VousDeux> how would I do that?
[03:52] <njende> ahhh...okay, I think that might be the main prob then. I just switched to tty and chekced the route...there isn#t a route...*uuups*
[03:52] <bazhang> kernaltrap.org might have a link
[03:52] <njende> it's a onboard sis190/191 Gigabit Ethernet
[03:52] <VousDeux> ahhh...okay, thanks
[03:52] <bazhang> no problem.
[03:53] <bazhang> njende: you sorted as to the hang up?
[03:53] <VousDeux> I finally trapped an error with the guidance-power-manager: Warning: While setting SystemPowerManagement to  True :  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.NotSupported: No powersave method found
[03:54] <VousDeux> not sure what it means though...google found nothing about it in english
[03:55] <njende> bazhang: what do you mean with"you sorted..."
[03:56] <bazhang> njende: problem solved?
[03:56] <njende> bazhang: nope
[03:56] <bazhang> njende: ten minutes now?
[03:57] <njende> bazhang: neither the onboard wlan (Atheros) nor the NIC (sis190) are recognized by the installer - I guess. Modules for the sis190 are loaded but if say sudo ifconfig all I get is *lo* and no other interface is shown
[03:57] <njende> yep, roughly 10mins now
[03:58] <njende> bazhang: a route is not given, as it looks like. At least a sudo route is not showing anything
[03:58] <bazhang> njende: hmmm.
[03:59] <njende> yeahh...hmmmm...that's what I am asking myself, too
[03:59] <tobias> njende: I'm back....  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart does the trick in a console after resume.
[03:59] <bazhang> njende: I had trouble the first time I tried to isntall; then killed the machine,a dndid it again it was fine.. don't know why though.
[03:59] <kling0n> njende: are you sure you should use sis190 anot not sis900?
[03:59] <VousDeux> that kerneltrap.org looks like nothing but a spam trap
[03:59] <bazhang> killed=powered off.
[03:59] <tobias> njende: But I didn't manage to launch this command automatically at resume.... even putting it into resume.d's sound.sh didn't work
[04:00] <bhavna> hey
[04:00] <bhavna> i got gutsy up and running
[04:00] <njende> kling0n: well, not really. But a lspci | grep Ethernet tells me simply that it is a sis190 I posted yesterday some deeper details to debians paste server. Should I post the links and we'll have a look at it?
[04:00] <kling0n> njende: maybe try reloading the module and checking dmesg
[04:00] <bhavna> however i cant get the external drive to work
[04:01] <bazhang> VousDeux: it's written by the kernel developers...
[04:01] <bazhang> spam?
[04:01] <kling0n> njende: sudo modprobe -vr sis190 && sudo modprobe -v sis190 ; sudo modprobe -v sis900
[04:01] <bhavna> it keeps giving an error of hal-storage-removable-mount refused uid 1000
[04:01] <bhavna> can someone help me with this
[04:01] <kling0n> njende: and check dmesg
[04:01] <VousDeux> oh, I figured it out...I went to kernaltrap instead of kerneltrap
[04:02] <kling0n> bhavna: start by checking ownership on $HOME/.dbus ?
[04:03] <njende> kling0n: here is the output of dmesg | grep sis:
[04:03] <Assid> kling0n: set to the correct user
[04:03] <kling0n> njende: tri dmesg | grep -i -e sis -e net
[04:03] <njende> [90.820000]  sis 190 Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded
[04:03] <kling0n> s/tri/try/
[04:04] <kling0n> njende: and still nothing in ifconfig?
[04:04] <njende> did that
[04:04] <kling0n> sorry thought you got empty output :)
[04:04] <njende> [90.820000]  sis Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded
[04:05] <Assid> kling0n: just doesnt work.. the same drive mounts fine on a macbook
[04:05] <njende> [90.836000]  sis190: probe of 0000:00:04.0 failed with Error -5
[04:05] <Assid> runs ntfs
[04:05] <Assid> i tried wih ntfs-config as well.. for ntfs-3g
[04:05] <njende> [117.036000]  NET: Registered protocol family 31
[04:06] <nanonyme> hmm, gutsy still has xmms?
[04:06] <njende> [2305.524000]  sis 190 Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded
[04:06] <contrast83> Anyone else getting ridiculous CPU usage out of Amarok (20-30% while playing, ~%70 while changing tracks)?
[04:06] <kling0n> Assid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/115768 -- it looks like there might be an issue if you're missing a policy manager
[04:06] <bazhang> not here.
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115768 in hal "hald not parsing policies under /etc/hal/fdi/policy on kubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:07] <njende> [2305:540000]  sis 190 probe of 0000:00:04.0 failed with Error -5
[04:07] <Assid> shouldnt gutsy have it solved?
[04:07] <njende> [2305:756000] sis900.c v.1.0.8 Apr 2 2006
[04:07] <njende> kling0n:
[04:08] <njende> in ifconfig i Get just 'lo'
[04:09] <Assid> hrm
[04:09] <Assid> doesnt have a howto for getting it up
[04:09] <njende> kling0n: it seems to me that the sis190 is buggy and/or I should start with a bootparameter such as irqpoll, of wjhich
[04:09] <njende> I'm not sure if it might be of any help
[04:10] <kling0n> njende: that might be worth a try
[04:10] <kling0n> or try soemthing like this for i in `ls /lib/modules/\`uname -r\`/kernel/drivers/net/*`; do e=`basename $i .ko`; sudo modprobe -v $e; done
[04:10] <Assid> kling0n: no fix ?
[04:10] <kling0n> an/or even
[04:11] <kling0n> Assid: sis you check for a policy kit ?
[04:11] <kling0n> s/sis//
[04:11] <Assid> dont understand how to check for it
[04:12] <Assid> storage methods?
[04:12] <kling0n> hmm Assid is your user a member of group "plugdev" ?
[04:12] <kling0n> Assid: type "groups" to check
[04:13] <kling0n> Assid: what file system is on the drive btw?
[04:13] <Assid> ntfs .. yes im a member of plugdev
[04:14] <Pusur> 6
[04:14] <njende> kling0n: syntax error near unexpected token `sudo'
[04:15] <kling0n> Assid: check this post
[04:15] <kling0n>  Nikolay Pavlov wrote on 2007-07-03: (permalink)
[04:15] <kling0n> I can confirm that i don't see any .xsession-errors, but removable usb storage device is still not functional. Are you sure that we are talking about exactly removable devices, because my fixed ntfs-3g HDD partition works? I want to try to build policykit manually and see if it fix my problem.
[04:15] <kling0n>  Adriano Provvisiero wrote on 2007-07-03: (permalink)
[04:15] <kling0n> Yes, I am sure. In my case, it's an external 40gb 2.5" USB Disk, with only one partition on it, formated as NTFS. The policy contains precisely the data I pasted in my first post. The partition automounts finely using the ntfs-3g driver. I only have the ntfs-3g and ntfs-config packages installed, from the official repos. I don't have pmount installed. If you need any more infos, just ask.
[04:15] <kling0n> nuu
[04:15] <kling0n>  Nikolay Pavlov wrote on 2007-07-03: (permalink)
[04:15] <kling0n> Could you please send me lshal dump regarding this device i want to compare it with mine. I am using 1Gb usb stick by the way.
[04:15] <kling0n>  Adriano Provvisiero wrote on 2007-07-04: (permalink)
[04:15] <stdin> !paste
[04:15] <kling0n> There it is:
[04:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:15] <kling0n> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_A23072FA3072D4AF'
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.device = '/dev/sdb1' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.is_volume = true (bool)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.major = 8 (0x8) (int)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.minor = 17 (0x11) (int)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.storage_device = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_IC25N040_ATCS04_0_0_0' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.capabilities = {'volume', 'block'} (string list)
[04:15] <stdin> will you stop the flood?
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.category = 'volume' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.interfaces = {'org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume'} (string list)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_IC25N040_ATCS04_0_0_0' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.product = 'USB40' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_A23072FA3072D4AF' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   linux.hotplug_type = 3 (0x3) (int)
[04:15] <kling0n>   linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/block/sdb/sdb1' (string)
[04:15] <Pusur> Spambots would be nice -.-
[04:15] <kling0n>   org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_argnames = {'mount_point fstype extra_options', 'extra_options', 'extra_options'} (string list)
[04:15] <kling0n>   org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_execpaths = {'hal-storage-mount', 'ha
[04:15] <Assid> kling0n: pastebin
[04:15] <kling0n> argh
[04:16] <kling0n> sorry
[04:16] <kling0n> stdin: i knows
[04:16] <Assid> i think i see it tho
[04:16] <kling0n> said sorry for same reason
[04:16] <Assid> hold on
[04:16] <kling0n> intended to paste a lnk
[04:16] <mahrellon> Ok, I'm back again! I have just reinstalled my GG dist and I'm anxious to know if I dare to update everything and then try to get my Compiz Fusion (on NV7950Gt that used to work) up and running? I know there were some broken packs?
[04:16] <kling0n> assid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/115768/comments/4
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115768 in hal "hald not parsing policies under /etc/hal/fdi/policy on kubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:16] <bazhang> mahrellon: fixed afaik.
[04:17] <mahrellon> bazhang, dude. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Love you man!
[04:17] <mahrellon> That's awesome news
[04:17] <bazhang> mahrellon: feeling's mutual; I just got the nv 7300 and it's very nice with GG!
[04:18] <bazhang> mahrellon: scale +ring switcher = ultimate eye candy.
[04:18] <mahrellon> bazhang, I can't wait for the Official Gutsy to be released. You know both me and my wife used to run Windows (Xp and Vista) on our machines but once we got a first look at Ubuntu with Beryl and Compiz we threw everything Microsoft related out the window. I even play World of Warcraft through wine.
[04:19] <mahrellon> bazhang, yeah. It sure beats Vistas "3d switcher" (wich I phrown at btw) lol
[04:19] <Assid> sweet worked
[04:19] <mahrellon> I got to reboot. I'll see ya guys in a bit.
[04:19] <bazhang> mahrellon: good news indeed--how does WOW run? Vista=bleh
[04:19] <bazhang> seeya
[04:19] <Assid> but they should really fix it so we dont have to copy the file
[04:19] <Assid> but sweet..works.. thanks
[04:19] <njende> kling0n: are you still with me?
[04:19] <kling0n> njende:
[04:20] <kling0n> njende: are you using bash ?
[04:20] <kling0n> or tcsh ?
[04:20] <mahrellon> bazhang: it runs awesome! I don't even get any fps-drop or anything when running it on latest wine and compiz. I do have to start it with -OpenGL switch though to get the cursor to work =)
[04:20] <njende> kling0n: i'm on bash
[04:20] <mahrellon> Anyhow, brb.
[04:20] <bazhang> mahrellon: great news...
[04:20] <kling0n> hmm
[04:20] <kling0n> strange
[04:20] <kling0n> perhaps you don't have sudo installed?
[04:20] <kling0n> you can su to root and try it without the "sudo" part
[04:20] <njende> sudo is installed
[04:21] <kling0n> njende: are you typing the line ? or copy/paste?
[04:21] <kling0n> perhaps you forgot a ';' or something
[04:22] <njende> i have to type it, mate
[04:22] <kling0n> right
[04:22] <kling0n> check for typos then
[04:22] <Ximal> savvas ? anyone ? I needed to figure out how to configure Xchat Gnome Chat to auto join this channel and auto identify .. I can't find the scripts folder/options ?
[04:23] <kling0n> Ximal: in the menu: "Xchat" - Network list - choose freenode - click edit
[04:23] <Ximal> hmm.. brb... going to try it
[04:24] <Assid> can we make this a permanent fix?
[04:24] <kling0n> Assid: ?
[04:24] <njende> I typed: for in `ls /lib/modules/\`uname -r\`/kernel/drivers/net/* ; do e=basename $i.ko` ; sudo modprobe -v $e; done
[04:24] <Assid> kling0n: copying that file
[04:25] <kling0n> Assid: if you copied the file it should stay there (if that's what you mean?)
[04:25] <Assid> nah for other people
[04:25] <Assid> make it a global thin
[04:25] <Assid> i gotta update my other laptop too now
[04:26] <lucasvo> hi
[04:26] <njende> kling0n: did I made any typos incorrect?
[04:27] <kling0n> njende: if you get a syntax error you probably did :)
[04:27] <njende> but where at?
[04:27] <kling0n> Assid: I'm not a maintainer on the ntfs-3g package
[04:27] <bazhang> haha
[04:28] <Ximal> ok .. brb
[04:29] <kling0n> njende: you're missing a ';'  before the 'do'
[04:29] <Ximal> ok
[04:29] <Ximal> working
[04:29] <Ximal> thanks for the help earlier
[04:30] <mahrellon> GL Desktop seems to work now! (Cheers wildly)
[04:30] <kling0n> welcome :)
[04:30] <mahrellon> Thanks =)
[04:30] <bazhang> mahrellon: yessss!
[04:30] <mahrellon> Now to get my desktop-cube up and running. It's gnome-compiz-manager I'll have to install right?
[04:31] <Ben_Cs> hello. i instaled a switch in my home network. WinXP works fine. Kubuntu: some progs (pidgin,skype) have internet, and some (firefox,opera,xchat) don't. please help!
[04:31] <lhoerste> I've just updated to gutsy. I had the EVMS problem so I removed that from a chroot and now it looks like my system boots cleanly except when it starts GDM, the screen just goes black. I've waited and it does nothing. Any suggestions?
[04:31] <bazhang> mahrellon: compiz-fusion? or compiz?
[04:31] <mahrellon> bazhang: Compiz-fusion. That's what I want =)
[04:31] <kling0n> lhoerste: check your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[04:31] <lhoerste> kling0n: good idea - one sec
[04:32] <njende> the ';' before the do id there, but I still get an unexpected token...damn
[04:32] <kling0n> njende: did you try a restart with the irqpoll option ?
[04:32] <njende> kling0n: nope, just about to do that
[04:32] <lhoerste> kling0n: i'm going to try single user mode
[04:33] <bazhang> mahrellon: you'll need to install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald emerald-themes for starters.
[04:33] <Ben_Cs> btw, skype says it's connected but i am not able to make calls, so only pidgin has internet
[04:33] <Ben_Cs> some one? please help!
[04:33] <mahrellon> bazhang: Thanks again!
[04:34] <mahrellon> I'll give it a try and get back to you. Thanks and see you soon =)
[04:34] <bazhang> mahrellon: no problem..
[04:34] <Ximal> oh.. i found a bug..
[04:35] <Ximal> the DISK icon disappeared from my desktop this morning when i booted...
[04:35] <lhoerste> kling0n: no problems in the X.org log
[04:35] <lhoerste> kling0n: and single user mode boots fine
[04:36] <kling0n> lhoerste: try running startx and see if X loads properly
[04:36] <njende> kling0n: just rebooting now...will be back shortly
[04:37] <lhoerste> kling0n: same symptoms
[04:38] <kling0n> lhoerste: right the problem is in your xorg config then
[04:38] <kling0n> try Xorg -config
[04:38] <kling0n> (as root)
[04:38] <kling0n> or by suidop
[04:38] <kling0n> sudo
[04:38] <lhoerste> doesn't xorg usually bring up that curses error dialog if there is an X.org problem and let you see the logs?
[04:39] <lhoerste> this isn't crashing xorg i guess, it's just not displaying anything?
[04:39] <kling0n> yup
[04:39] <kling0n> my guess is your sync ranges are out of range for your monitor
[04:39] <kling0n> check hsync and vsync values
[04:40] <kling0n> or maybe try starting with irqpoll as a kernel option
[04:40] <lhoerste> since I'm not sure what the sync ranges should be, I'll try the irqpoll
[04:40] <kling0n> i rmember having some sort of problem on a hp laptop which the irqpoll options fixed for me
[04:40] <kling0n> can't remember the specifics though
[04:40] <lhoerste> do I just specify irqpoll on the boot line or do I have to set it equal to something?
[04:40] <kling0n> lhoerste: just check to see if the high range is over 60 or so
[04:41] <kling0n> if it is, try adjusting it and run X again
[04:41] <kling0n> with 'startx'
[04:41] <lhoerste> kling0n: eh I already rebooted
[04:42] <lhoerste> after the irqpoll option i'll try sync ranges
[04:44] <njende> kling0n: If I now switch to a tty while installing, I still havent got an interface in ifconfig
[04:44] <lhoerste> kling0n: I don't even see any sync ranges in the config???
[04:44] <lhoerste> kling0n: that could be the problem right there maybe?
[04:45] <kling0n> lhoerste: it should be in your "monitor" sections
[04:45] <lhoerste> yea that's where I'm looking
[04:45] <kling0n> njende: sorry... cant help you then
[04:45] <kling0n> njende: try another disk perhaps?
[04:45] <kling0n> njende: or check your hardware?
[04:45] <lhoerste> it looks like whatever did the update to xorg.conf saved a backup - i'll pull the sync ranges out of there
[04:45] <kling0n> njende:  is the card correctly set in ?
[04:46] <njende> kling0n: its a notebook
[04:46] <kling0n> lhoerste: if you have a back try bootin using that
[04:46] <lhoerste> kling0n: actually there are no sync ranges in the backup either... ?
[04:46] <kling0n> lhoerste: pastebin ?
[04:46] <lhoerste> just the monitor section?
[04:46] <kling0n> njende: and you're sure the card works correctly ?
[04:46] <kling0n> lhoerste: whole thing
[04:47] <njende> kling0n: yep, as it workes yesterday with a sidux live-cd
[04:47] <lhoerste> sure, I'll have to use USB key to get it to this comp so one sec
[04:47] <kling0n> njende: did you verify the disk ?
[04:47] <kling0n> maybe try another image ?
[04:47] <Aishiko> once again Ubuntu is unstable (I shouldn't have updated :P)
[04:47] <njende> kling0n: true, could be a wrong md5sum...I'll check and brb
[04:48] <bazhang> Aishiko: what's the problem?
[04:48] <lisa> hello
[04:48] <bazhang> hi lisa
[04:48] <lisa> i wonder if anyone can help with an apt problem
[04:48] <bazhang> what is it?
[04:49] <lisa> i used adept to install msttcorefonts. it failed to install properly and now i cant remove it. its stopping me from updating
[04:49] <Aishiko> bazhang: I try to run Ktorrent and it crashes within 30 minutes, I've tried dpkg --configure -a, dpkg -C, reinstalling Ktorrent, I'm seeing if the issue is Ktorrent or something else
[04:49] <bazhang> lisa: what's the error message say?
[04:49] <savvas> lisa: what's adept?
[04:49] <lisa> sorry using (k)ubuntu
[04:50] <bazhang> savvas: kde equibalent to synaptic
[04:50] <bazhang> equivalent also
[04:50] <savvas> ah
[04:50] <kling0n> lisa sudo apt-get -f install
[04:50] <Aishiko> bazhang: ohh I'm also know installing KDE and I'm going to try the KDE desktop to see if gnome is broken somewhere
[04:51] <Aishiko> bazhang: can you think of anything I might be overlooking to trouble-shoot this issue?
[04:51] <bazhang> Aishiko: it is a beta; they are very good at fixing things quickly--if ktorrent has a bug, you can bet it will be fixed very quickly.
[04:51] <lisa> Resolving switch.dl.sourceforge.net... failed: Connection timed out.
[04:51] <lisa> andale32.exe: No such file or directory
[04:51] <lisa> All done, errors in processing 1 file(s)
[04:51] <lisa> dpkg: error processing msttcorefonts (--configure):
[04:51] <lisa>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:51] <lisa> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:51] <lisa>  msttcorefonts
[04:51] <bazhang> Aishiko: I use transmission, so can't help you there.
[04:51] <lisa> sorry for large paste
[04:52] <lisa> thanks but i tried -f install
[04:52] <Wendell> Hi all - doing a fresh install of Gutsy Beta.... To get my setting back for GNOME, etc... is it generally safe to just copy back the hidden folders from the home directory? (i.e. different versions of config files won't mess anything up?)
[04:52] <ConstyXIV> what's the command to suspend from the console?
[04:52] <lisa> its not able to connect to sourceforge
[04:52] <bazhang> hiya squidy
[04:52] <vasuvi> Is there any way to prevent NetworkManager from clobbering resolv.conf every single bootup?
[04:52] <lhoerste> kling0n: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784 <-- this inlcudes the sync rates I added that did not work
[04:52] <squidy> hello bazhang.. :}
[04:52] <bazhang> !dpkg
[04:53] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[04:53] <bazhang> oops. wrong command.
[04:53] <Aishiko> bazhang: Ohh I know, last time I had this issue I ran dpkg --configure -a and found 8 broken packages 6 or 7 I recognized as being part of the desktop so I reinstalled them all and it fixed the issue, which was crashing in about 60 minutes of boot up
[04:53] <kling0n> ConstyXIV: try sudo suspend
[04:53] <ConstyXIV> sudo: suspend: command not found
[04:54] <kling0n> lhoerste: change       VertRefresh        50-160 to       VertRefresh        50-75
[04:54] <lhoerste> k
[04:54] <Aishiko> bazhang: regardless of what was running
[04:54] <bazhang> Aishiko: you should have seen when Gimp and cupsys broke the same day (two days ago) they got it fixed and to all the servers in a couple of hours. You should perhaps report a bug to lanuchpad.
[04:54] <lhoerste> kling0n: no luck
[04:55] <Aishiko> bazhang: I'm not sure what to report though, I need to look up my launchpad id
[04:55] <kling0n> lhoerste: can you give me xorg.log.0 as well ?
[04:55] <lhoerste> sure - one sec
[04:56] <njende> kling0n: is there any way to get the wlan atheros running while installing rather than the sis190? btw the ingerity check was okay
[04:56] <kling0n> hmm
[04:56] <Aishiko> bazhang: I did report some in the beginning, but until recently I've not needed too
[04:56] <kling0n> njende: sudo modprobe ath_hal
[04:56] <lhoerste> kling0n: can I just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:56] <bazhang> lisa: have you tried sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[04:56] <lisa> yeah
[04:56] <lisa> i'll try again
[04:56] <kling0n> lhoerste: try it
[04:56] <lisa> just to make sure
[04:57] <lisa> thanks
[04:57] <bazhang> Aishiko: only ktorrent giving you problems?
[04:57] <bazhang> lisa: sorry I don't know very much.
[04:57] <Aishiko> bazhang: not sure I'm not running it now, so if it goes past 30 minutes I'll assume it is Ktorrent
[04:58] <bazhang> Aishiko: as much as I like the interface, I prefer transmission over ktorrent or azureus.
[04:58] <lisa> yeah. still timing out
[04:59] <lisa> dont worry
[04:59] <lhoerste> kling0n: running through it now
[04:59] <njende> kling0n: is there a mirror, maybe, with daily builds for gutsy? Maybe there is newer version than the one I downloaded yesterday...just trying to get that beast running
[05:00] <kling0n> njende: no clue
[05:00] <lisa> anyway to manually remove msttcorefonts or install it properly? can anyone confirm whether the install works for them?
[05:00] <kling0n> think there's a daily torrent
[05:00] <vasuvi> njende: Yes, I just installed a daily build of Kubuntu myself yesterday, works great
[05:00] <njende> vasuvi: from which mirror?
[05:01] <vasuvi> njende: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ , depending on what you want
[05:01] <lhoerste> kling0n: when I startx, the xserver runs and backlight is on but the screen is black. What should display if GDM isn't running? twm or something?
[05:02] <Wendell>  Hi all - doing a fresh install of Gutsy Beta.... To get my setting back for GNOME, etc... is it generally safe to just copy back the hidden folders from the home directory? (i.e. different versions of config files won't mess anything up?)
[05:02] <kling0n> hmm depends on your configuration
[05:02] <kling0n> but default is just a black/white pattern
[05:02] <vasuvi> njende: Make that last one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ for the complete set
[05:02] <Wendell> Wendell  (upgrading from Fesity)
[05:02] <vasuvi> njende: (Unless you want Xubuntu/Edubuntu or some other derivative)
[05:03] <ConstyXIV> whats the best sound driver for wine?
[05:04] <Aishiko> bazhang: it looks like the issue is more then just ktorrent it just crashed again at the 30 minute mark
[05:04] <njende> vasuvi: thx
[05:04] <njende> will be back once the download finished
[05:04] <vasuvi> njende: np, good luck! :)
[05:04] <bazhang> Aishiko: hmmm. I would definitely report this--did a crash reporter launch?
[05:04] <savvas> ConstyXIV: try #winehq
[05:04] <njende> vasuvi: I hope so...that beast needs to get into gear by tomorrow morning CET
[05:04] <lhoerste> kling0n: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784#1
[05:05] <lisa> might try the main kubuntu channel. i dont think its a gutsy specific problem....
[05:05] <Aishiko> bazhang: no no crash reported was launched the whole thing just stopped responding and then I rebooted
[05:06] <Aishiko> running dpkg --configure -a since, sypantic said to again
[05:06] <bazhang> Aishiko: it froze your entire system?
[05:06] <Aishiko> bazhang: yes
[05:07] <savvas> lisa: msttcorefonts installed fine here
[05:07] <Aishiko> bazhang: that is what i've been calling a crash should I call it something else?
[05:07] <bazhang> Aishiko: show-stopper. try a different torrent client first.
[05:07] <kling0n> lhoerste: it's definitely your sync ranges
[05:07] <kling0n> lhoerste: you have lots of errors regarding them in your log
[05:07] <bazhang> Aishiko: well I just though you meant the app died, but a total system freeze-up..that's serious biz.
[05:07] <Aishiko> bazhang: it did it again while just running gx-chat and synpatic
[05:08] <lisa> thanks sawas. wonder if thr problem is not connecting to sourceforge
[05:08] <kling0n> try googlin the technical specs for your specific monitor
[05:08] <Aishiko> bazhang: that was whta happened this last time
[05:08] <lhoerste> kling0n: those new sync ranges are from dpkg-reconfigure and I selected 1024x768 at 60htz so that's all the correct info
[05:08] <savvas> why is everyone using a "w" instead of double v? :P
[05:08] <kling0n> lhoerste: or maybe google xorg.conf and your monitor model to find a functional one
[05:08] <lhoerste> kling0n: is that what those visual not supported warnings are?
[05:08] <lhoerste> kling0n: good idea
[05:08] <thesaltydog>  just upgraded to Gutsy. My /home doesn't mount and I can't boot. I had to boot with 2.6.20 kernel...!
[05:09] <nowshining> hi changing the root folder to hide from ALL users except for too is suppose to also lock the desktop folder right
[05:09] <kling0n> lhoerste: dpkg-reconfigure basically just runs the Xorf -config command
[05:09] <nowshining> except for ROOT*
[05:09] <nowshining> in roots home folder right
[05:09] <lhoerste> kling0n: but it knows about resolutions + sync rates
[05:09] <lhoerste> so it usually works for me =/
[05:09] <kling0n> lhoerste: well.. it's not working is it ?
[05:10] <Aishiko> bazhang: yeah I had this issue a couple days ago reinstalling 8 broken packages fixed it until the lastest patch
[05:10] <savvas> nowshining: yeah, probably you have to use a command parameter/argument for recursive, to be applied on all files/folders inside the root directory
[05:10] <lhoerste> kling0n: no =) I'm googling
[05:10] <nowshining> i'm using gksudo nautilus
[05:10] <nowshining> and well
[05:10] <bazhang> Aishiko: are you fully uptodate?
[05:10] <nowshining> it doesn't lock the desktop folder
[05:11] <Aishiko> bazhang: I'm hoping this --configure -a finds some broken ones I can reinstall to fix it and yes I'm up todate fully
[05:11] <kling0n> nowshining: sudo chmod -R 700 /root
[05:11] <nowshining> and when i do manually well it just resets the root folder and ALLOWS ALL ACCESS and no lock icon and i can write to the desktop folder from an non root account
[05:11] <nowshining> however
[05:11] <nowshining> shouln't right click and permissions  do it
[05:12] <nowshining> it locks all but desktop at most
[05:12] <kling0n> nowshining: if you started nautilus with root permissions that window will have full access to the root solder ofcourse
[05:12] <nowshining> and i can write to it
[05:12] <bazhang> Aishiko: I hope this latest fix does it for you; I had some funkiness during the first couple of rounds of upgrades--but nothing as serious as what you had, minor stuff really.
[05:12] <kling0n> nowshining: also, you'll have to make sure the users you want to keep out are no in the sudoersz
[05:12] <nowshining> only root is
[05:12] <nowshining> nothing else
[05:12] <kling0n> s/z//
[05:12] <nowshining> um
[05:13] <Aishiko> bazhang: Ohh I know this is the first time I've encountered this and I installed gusty over a month ago this is the first time I've gotten a "show stopper" as you put it
[05:14] <nowshining> the other folders are fine, it shows only read access and write for root and none for others and well then when manually changin the desktop folder it resets the root folder itself and even with root only group there is no lock and i can write to it via tho i am not root
[05:14] <hagabaka> hmm
[05:14] <nowshining> okay try this
[05:14] <nowshining> gksudo nautilus
[05:14] <hagabaka> so will there be no new packages released?
[05:14] <nowshining> filesystem - root, right click the folder
[05:14] <hagabaka> today?
[05:14] <nowshining> go to permissions
[05:14] <kling0n> nowshining: can you give me output of 'ls -alh /root | grep Desktop'
[05:15] <bazhang> Aishiko: I think we may all have some of these from time to time--I have a problem with autosave and javascript--though that may down to wordpress and not Linux--total system nightmare freeze requiring hard reboot--I just shut off javascript for now; the alternative is to go back to Windows...and no thanks..haha
[05:16] <nowshining> by the way the files in the folder itself and find and permission stick and the files inside won't open due to permissions
[05:16] <nowshining> hold
[05:16] <nowshining> drwxrwxrwx  2 root root 4.0K 2007-10-07 07:59 Desktop
[05:16] <kling0n> sudo chmod 700 /root/Desktop
[05:16] <hagabaka> is there an apt repository for upgrading from feisty to gutsy?
[05:17] <nowshining> but can't i just use the right click method and drop down box
[05:17] <nowshining> again the files are locked inside
[05:17] <nowshining> but not the folder itsel;f
[05:17] <lhoerste> kling0n: no luck with the sync rates from online for the specific computer. it's a dell inpeiron 5100 (reletively old so there is a lot of material)
[05:17] <nowshining> and right clicking from a non root nautilus window shows the correct permesion
[05:18] <nowshining> permission are own root - create and delete files, grop root - folder - none and files none and others none and none
[05:18] <kling0n> lhoerste: i'm out if ideas
[05:19] <kling0n> lhoerste: is it a dvi or a vga connection ?
[05:19] <lhoerste> kling0n: alright thanks man
[05:19] <lhoerste> kling0n: it's a laptop
[05:20] <kling0n> lhoerste: ah
[05:20] <kling0n> lhoerste: try changing driver from ati to radeon
[05:20] <lhoerste> ha ok cool
[05:20] <lhoerste> i'll give it a try
[05:21] <nowshining> okay the sudo chmod 700 /root/Deskto just not even displayed nothing
[05:21] <njende> lhoerste: have you pastes your conf? haven't seen it as I was way too busy with my probs here ;-)
[05:21] <nowshining> and now it won't open up in regular mode
[05:21] <nowshining> but no icon
[05:21] <njende> if not paste it
[05:21] <nowshining> lock icon
[05:21] <lhoerste> njende: yea i'll link you
[05:21] <Overlord_> Speaking of gfx drivers, can anyone take a look at this fglrx failure problem I'm having?  Thanks.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569621
[05:21] <lhoerste> http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784#1
[05:21] <lhoerste> njende: ^
[05:21] <nowshining> it went right back to allow
[05:22] <nowshining> i exited the regular nautilus browser
[05:22] <nowshining> and still
[05:22] <nowshining> yep i can create a folder in there
[05:22] <nowshining> all files inside are locked and all others in root are locked
[05:23] <njende> lhoerste: as klong=n said change to radeon
[05:23] <lhoerste> that didn't fix it =/
[05:24] <nowshining> no
[05:24] <nowshining> however the desktop files again are locked as normal
[05:24] <njende> lhoerste: weird
[05:24] <nowshining> i know
[05:24] <nowshining> i can create in normal user mode
[05:24] <lhoerste> i'm checking xorg log
[05:24] <njende> lhoerste: jepp
[05:25] <kling0n> lhoerste: http://www.jlab.org/~moffit/computer/i5100_xorg.conf
[05:25] <lhoerste> njende: ooh now I'm clearly getting vrefersh out of range errors
[05:25] <lhoerste> kling0n: thanks
[05:25] <lhoerste> kling0n: I think you were right, I just have a combo of problems =)
[05:27] <Aishiko> another showstopper
[05:27] <thesaltydog> I   just upgraded to Gutsy. My /home doesn't mount and I can't boot. I had to boot with 2.6.20 kernel...!
[05:27] <bazhang> ouch
[05:27] <thesaltydog> the boot process says that the "device is busy"...
[05:27] <thesaltydog> ?
[05:28] <lhoerste> kling0n, njende: no luck =/
[05:28] <njende> wow...and my new desktop machine wont get installed wit gutsy either...that's not MY lucky day I'd say
[05:29] <nowshining> okay, evertime i reset the desktop folder to block all access it works fine
[05:29] <nowshining> THEN
[05:29] <kling0n> lhoerste: new logfile please?
[05:29] <nowshining> i set the root folder the same way and BAMMO
[05:29] <njende> well, I'll check wheter the machine wants to start with gutsy using irqpoll noapic -- sure, I know I wont be able to use both cpu's
[05:29] <nowshining> it clears the desktop permissions folder and allows ALL ACCESs
[05:29] <lhoerste> kling0n: sure one sec
[05:30] <nowshining> Desktop folder only
[05:30] <nowshining> but blocks access to any opening of files such as txt, etc..
[05:30] <kling0n> lhoerste: or try to install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[05:31] <lhoerste> i'll be sure its installed
[05:31] <nowshining> i'll be on the forums bye
[05:31] <lhoerste> kling0n: it's installed
[05:32] <elliotjhug> hi all, any ideas on how best to increase the number of workspaces in gutsy? The way I used to do it in feisty doesn't appear in the preferences any more
[05:32] <kling0n> lhoerste: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-ati
[05:32] <elliotjhug> I'm using desktop affects
[05:33] <elliotjhug> sorry, scratch that... I just got an answer from another channel
[05:33] <kRush> elliotjhug, ccsm: horizontal virtual size
[05:33] <kRush> d'oh
[05:33] <lhoerste> kling0n: that didn't work
[05:34] <lhoerste> kling0n, njende: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784#2
[05:34] <kling0n> lhoerste:  right... out of ideas now
[05:35] <kling0n> lhoerste: maybe try reducing your colour depth and modes to 800x600 until you get it working and then lower the vsync and refresh rates
[05:36] <lhoerste> k
[05:37] <lhoerste> kling0n: that worked! with ati driver as well!
[05:41] <lhoerste> ftw?
[05:46] <Aishiko> I'm back in the KDE desktop now, since the gnome did a show stopper after a couple min :(
[05:46] <savvas> lhoerste: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw
[05:46] <njende> any ideas when the next daily/nightly build will be released?
[05:46] <Aishiko> anyone know what "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" means?
[05:47] <savvas> njende: ..the next day? :)
[05:47] <shannon_> Anyone experiencing this problem with compiz? You login, you get just a blank (black) screen and mouse pointer, nothing loads. User accounts with compiz disabled work fine, but I can't login to the compiz accounts to turn compiz off. Started happening after I downloaded upgrades today. Running Gutsy beta. Can't seem to find the bug in launchpad.
[05:48] <njende> and another question: to whom should I talk if there are still probs recognizing Interfaces, such as my WLAN and NIC?
[05:48] <mirak> is there a way to have tracker seatch in nautilus ?
[05:48] <vasuvi> njende: I downloaded mine last night (Mountain time)...and a new one was uploaded while I was downloading ;)  So I'm thinking around midnight
[05:49] <njende> vasuvi: cool, so I'll try the one I'm just downloading and will see, if there'll be a new one tomorrow, if the one I'm just downloading wont work
[05:49] <bazhang> Aishiko: bug filed on this 6-7 days ago...
[05:49] <vasuvi> njende: sounds like a good plan
[05:50] <njende> *g*
[05:50] <Aishiko> bazhang: there was? what is the recommended fix?
[05:50] <njende> brb...just running to get some smokes ;)
[05:50] <Pusur> How do I avoid that my other partitions/drives get an shortcut on the desktop when mounted?
[05:51] <bazhang> Aishiko: it's a new enough bug that it's undecided..perhaps if you filed as well they would up the importance of it--that seems pretty serious.
[05:52] <pqnet> I think I found a bug
[05:52] <Aishiko> bazhang: ohh OK, I'll do that now
[05:52] <Aishiko> assuming I stay up long enough to do that
[05:53] <bazhang> haha
[05:56] <Pusur> I'm trying to make a nice and clean dekstop here. But how the hell do I remove the other partitions which are mounted from the desktop?
[05:56] <Aishiko> bazhang: should I second the bug you found or file a brand new one
[05:57] <bazhang> Aishiko: the javascript one? I think that's on Wordpress--I was in their channel and they confirmed it. Thanks!
[05:58] <pqnet> i found a bug too!
[05:58] <bazhang> hi pqnet!
[06:00] <pqnet> wow, just say "I found a bug" and they fix it!!! I didn't say even what it was!
[06:00] <pqnet> hi bazhang
[06:00] <pqnet> i solved my problem
[06:01] <bazhang> pqnet: you just missed vousdeux...
[06:01] <VousDeux> and then?
[06:01] <pqnet> bazhang what about vousdeux?
[06:01] <pqnet> vousdeux hi!
[06:02] <VousDeux> hello...just taking a little break from homework I should have done yesterday
[06:02] <bazhang> pqnet: you just missed him; he was here earlier--he may file a bug reprot with the kernel developers..haha
[06:03] <pqnet> it's a missing feature report however, if I know what it is about
[06:04] <pqnet> his synaptic touchpad is not recognized by the ps2 driver, right?
[06:04] <kRush> Pusur, gconf-editor: /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
[06:05] <bazhang> pqnet: right.
[06:06] <VousDeux> pqnet: yeah, it's something like that. I don't believe it is defective hardware because it basically functions OK. It is just not recognized by the kernel. Not necessarily a bug though.
[06:06] <VousDeux> I'm just trying to learn how all of this stuff works, and where to get help.
[06:07] <Aishiko> say is there anyway to have the clock in kde display seconds as well as the hour and minute?
[06:08] <pqnet> vousdeux i think this particular model hasn't been supported by opensource driver yet
[06:08] <reon_> I removed my ATI driver and ended up getting a black screen, I reinstalled the ati module but still have a black/blank screen, how do I fix it ?
[06:08] <pqnet> vousdeux you could help developer in adding support to that particular model in kernel module
[06:08] <VousDeux> pqnet: that's what I suspect most of my problem are...what I don't know, yet, is what channels to use to get the ball rolling on getting them supported.
[06:09] <Aishiko> bazhang: this show stopper bug you think it's related to javascript?
[06:09] <VousDeux> pqnet: I sure don't have a problem with that, but I don't know how to help
[06:09] <VousDeux> pqnet: I don't have a great deal of spare time either
[06:10] <reon_> could someone help me with my display issue please ?
[06:10] <bazhang> Aishiko: wordpress + javascript +autosave=their answer "turn off javascript!" a surly bunch there..haha
[06:11] <gnomefreak> how do you get showstopper bug out of that?
[06:11] <VousDeux> I'm also trying to put together a business plan for a college class for a business that markets Linux-based computers to small businesses.
[06:11] <Aishiko> bazhang: lol I don't know how to do that :P so it does me little good to know to do that :P
[06:12] <Aishiko> VousDeux: nice! have you tried looking at system67, ibm, or dell's marketing and business plan?
[06:13] <bazhang> gnomefreak: not in Ubuntu/Kubuntu; it freezes my Linux system, but it's on them--tons of people at their forums are griping about it--their answer is turn off javascript!
[06:13] <VousDeux> Aishiko: no, I appreciate the tip :)
[06:14] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yeah its a widely seen bug but that doesnt make it showstopping bug. is there an LP bug on this issue?
[06:14] <Aishiko> VousDeux: your quite welcome
[06:14] <Aishiko> brb have to step out for a sec
[06:16] <rewq> I have internet connection
[06:17] <rewq> but apt-get wont work
[06:17] <rewq> I need this to download ndiswrapper
[06:17] <rewq> and dell windows driver for wireless
[06:17] <reon_> what error are you getting ?
[06:18] <bazhang> gnomefreak: well, it stops my show..haha and is 100% reproducible--depends on how many times I want to do a hard restart. don't know what LP is.
[06:18] <rewq> 1 sek
[06:19] <rewq> it goes up to 27%
[06:19] <rewq> and then it's stuck there
[06:19] <rewq> waiting for headers
[06:20] <reon_> what repos are you using, archive.ubuntu.com or some other ?
[06:20] <rewq> connecting to ubuntu .com (1.0.0.0)
[06:20] <rewq> where I can find this??
[06:20] <rewq> repos??
[06:21] <rewq> to the adept??
[06:21] <reon_> your sources list or apt-get tells you when you try and get a package
[06:21] <rewq> server from italy
[06:22] <rewq> repos security and universal
[06:22] <reon_> maybe change them to the default one and see if it helps
[06:22] <rewq> its a fresh install
[06:22] <rewq> and I didn change anythig
[06:22] <rewq> from adept???
[06:22] <VousDeux> I'm planning on using this laptop in my presentation, so that's part of my justification for spending so much time trying to get it working as well as possible.
[06:22] <reon_> use archive.ubuntu.com instead of it.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <gnomefreak> bazhang: launchpad.net  the developers/maintainers see the bug there its more likely to get fixed, if its on forums its very very unlikely to get fixed since the developers dont hang out or look for bugs there
[06:23] <haranp> How do I downgrade from 7.10 to 7.04?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> haranp: you dont
[06:23] <gnomefreak> haranp: reinstall 7.04
[06:23] <haranp> from the CD?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> or however you installed it to start with
[06:24] <haranp> OK, I'll do that, thanks
[06:24] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks! but what i'm experiencing is with wordpress--should I file a report with LP?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> !info wordpress
[06:24] <ubotu> wordpress: an award winning weblog manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 783 kB, installed size 4196 kB
[06:24] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes
[06:25] <rewq> I used the other repos
[06:25] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks!
[06:25] <rewq> and it still stuck at 25% waiting for headers
[06:25] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yw
[06:26] <gnomefreak> bazhang: dont be suprised if it doesnt get done for gutsy, if it is javascript causing it there isnt much we can do about it
[06:26] <rewq> when I installed kubuntu I dint had a dhcp connection
[06:26] <Pusur> Anyone else had problems with making terminal the background with devilspie?
[06:27] <reon_> rewq try static ip config ?
[06:27] <rewq> and now I cant do apt-get update
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Pusur,  i followed a guide on that the other day. it worked. :)
[06:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak: I don't like javascript anyway--can't use pastebin, though..haha
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Pusur,  but was annoying in many ways
[06:27] <Pusur> Well, not working here...
[06:27] <rewq> ok
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I forget the guide i found.. ubuntuhq.org perhaps?
[06:27] <Pusur> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-transparent-terminal-session-as-your-desktop-background.html I used this one
[06:28] <bazhang> kewl.
[06:28] <Pusur> It works if I run the commands manually, but not when making them run at login with sessions
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Pusur,  could be devilspie isent getting ran first..
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i just made an icon that launched them
[06:29] <rewq> reon where do I set up static ip
[06:29] <rewq> im on a router with lan connection
[06:29] <Dr_willis> the console thing is a neat idea. but has some issues..  like it hides the icons, and grabes focus when ya click on the desktop in the wrong place. :)
[06:29] <reon_> click on the network icon, top panel
[06:30] <Pusur> Devilspie should run first, the command i used was "devilspie && gnome-terminal -window-with-profile=DesktopConsole"
[06:30] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: you might want to give alot more info on your bug, right now its unclear what the complaint is other than 3 things causing it to freeze, is it the kernel? is it dpkg? or ktorrent? could it be compiz that is causing it?
[06:31] <rewq> and then
[06:31] <rewq> ??
[06:31] <marko-_-> bazhang, tell me here :D
[06:31] <bazhang> marko-_-: one thing--try not to enter one or two words then hit the enter key;
[06:31] <marko-_-> ok:>
[06:31] <reon_> phew, display problem fixed
[06:32] <bazhang> marko-_-: are you going to upgrade with a fresh CD install, or do it over the internet with the package management system?
[06:32] <marko-_-> over internet
[06:32] <marko-_-> i don't know what do you suggest ?
[06:32] <bazhang> marko-_-: a fresh install will erase all of your old files, settings, etc--over the internet will not.
[06:33] <marko-_-> then i will just use dist-upgrade
[06:33] <marko-_-> right ?
[06:33] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: no
[06:33] <rewq> I cant find where to change static ip???
[06:33] <bazhang> Ok cool. I would wait until 10/18; as you are very new to this and some broken stuff might be very confusing for you.
[06:33] <marko-_-> gnomefreak, what then ?
[06:33] <rewq> im on kubuntu beta kde
[06:33] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: safest to clean install right now but if you do want to upgrade use "gksudo update-manager -d" without the "
[06:34] <marko-_-> all i want when upgrading to gutsy (not now when it will be stable on 10/18) that all my files don't get deleted
[06:34] <bazhang> rewq: change to or from static?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: warning upgrading atm is not very safe and expect problems
[06:34] <rewq> tell me how I can do that on kde please
[06:34] <marko-_-> gnomefreak, i won't upgrade it now
[06:35] <marko-_-> just asking when i will do it if my files get deleted
[06:35] <bazhang> marko-_-: after 10/18 you can do a dist-upgrade; right now things are still being fixed, so it might freak you out if you tried it at the moment.
[06:35] <buntunub> hey all, anyone have xorg issues after the latest kernel upgrade
[06:35] <bazhang> marko-_-: not if you do it via the internet.
[06:35] <LiMaO> i wanted to say that for a beta, gutsy is fairly consistent
[06:35] <marko-_-> ok i will do it on 10/18 but the question is will my files be deleted when i will upgrade it or not ?
[06:35] <buntunub> im having major issues getting dual screens working after the .13 kernel update
[06:35] <LiMaO> just had some problems with 'Screens and Graphics'
[06:36] <LiMaO> but besides that, it's all good
[06:36] <buntunub> ya same
[06:36] <bazhang> marko-_-: no they won't, but it's a good idea to back them up nonetheless.
[06:36] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: personal files no
[06:36] <LiMaO> marko-_-, just backup your home folder
[06:36] <rewq> ok can anyone have an idea how i can setup wireless conection without apt-get wotking
[06:36] <rewq> but internet working
[06:36] <buntunub> when i enable nvidia driver via restricted drivers and use just the single screen, it appears to configure properly
[06:36] <buntunub> but when i try to setup dual screens it gets major hosed on both screens
[06:37] <marko-_-> ok for you to easy understand it will the files in /home/username and any other directory (not / ) will deleted
[06:37] <marko-_-> ?
[06:37] <rewq> I cant stay  without it
[06:37] <buntunub> thats via screens and graphics tool
[06:37] <rewq> if i have wireless
[06:37] <rewq> I can go in my room
[06:37] <LiMaO> marko-_-, they won't be overwritten if they're on a different partition and you tell the installer not to erase it
[06:37] <bazhang> marko-_-: no they will (not) be deleted. best to record them to a DVD or flash drive anyway thoug.
[06:37] <buntunub> i then have to do a  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to fix things to get back to the single screen goodness
[06:37] <rewq> and have some time with kubuntu ad apt
[06:38] <bazhang> though even
[06:38] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: no they shouldnt but there is always a chance things will not work out the way you want its called breakage back ups would be the smart way of doing it
[06:38] <LiMaO> buntunub, i hope it gets fixed in the final release.. i like using the tv-out for dvd output
[06:38] <marko-_-> LiMaO, the / and /home are on the same partition :s
[06:38] <buntunub> yes this is a show stopper imo
[06:38] <LiMaO> then backup /home and restore if after a clean fresh install
[06:38] <buntunub> this is on a fresh intall too btw
[06:38] <marko-_-> i don't know how to do it besides i don't want to upgrade yet
[06:39] <buntunub> NOT an upgrade
[06:39] <rewq> how do I change from or to static ip
[06:39] <rewq> ??
[06:39] <gnomefreak> buntunub: dual screen is being worked on and its not a show stopper since it doesnt stop you from using ubuntu
[06:39] <rewq> ??
[06:39] <LiMaO> marko-_-, just tar it all
[06:39] <rewq> ??
[06:39] <rewq> please
[06:39] <bazhang> marko-_-: don't know how to back up?
[06:39] <LiMaO> i mean compress the /home folder to a .tgz file
[06:39] <bazhang> really?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> rewq: stop with the one word or char. lines
[06:39] <marko-_-> i know i know but this is all now a little confusing
[06:39] <marko-_-> ... :>
[06:39] <LiMaO> or simply write /home to a dvd disc
[06:39] <LiMaO> then after the upgrade/reinstall, just copy it back to where it was
[06:39] <rewq> sory
[06:40] <marko-_-> LiMaO, and this will work ?
[06:40] <LiMaO> marko-_-, why wouldn't it? ;)
[06:40] <marko-_-> but /home is bigger then 80 giga
[06:40] <LiMaO> all your settings and config is stored in /home
[06:40] <LiMaO> well, that's where compression comes in place
[06:40] <gnomefreak> not all
[06:40] <bazhang> marko-_-: well better start burning DVDs now--you've got eleven days to do it in..haha
[06:40] <LiMaO> but i'm pretty sure you won't be able to fit it on a single dvd ;)
[06:41] <marko-_-> oh shit i was thinking when upgrading only the / get changed but everything stays the same :/
[06:41] <LiMaO> marko-_-, it does stay the same
[06:41] <marko-_-> and why should i backup then... ?:D
[06:41] <LiMaO> but you gotta have a security backup
[06:41] <LiMaO> in case something goes wrong
[06:41] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: LiMaO /etc hold ALL config files
[06:41] <reon_> rewq click on the network icon on the top panel for manual configuration, select the interface then click on properties, can select dhcp or static
[06:42] <marko-_-> LiMaO, even if i have the / and /home on the same partition ?
[06:42] <LiMaO> gnomefreak, indeed, but i meant his personal settings for some applications, like his bookmarks are in .mozilla in his home folder
[06:43] <LiMaO> marko-_-, yes, even if they are in the same partition it won't be overwritten
[06:43] <marko-_-> oh ok then
[06:43] <reon_> I just did a update and experiencing severe mouse lag, any ideas for a fix ?
[06:43] <LiMaO> but i like to play on the safe side.. i have /home on a diff partition, and i hold a backup of / in case this beta goes wacky
[06:44] <marko-_-> and what's the chance that it will get overwritten when i upgrade it on 10/18
[06:44] <LiMaO> reon_, ctrl+alt+backspace (that will restart xorg)
[06:44] <buntunub> sorry had to afk
[06:44] <LiMaO> marko-_-, near 0%
[06:44] <marko-_-> oh
[06:44] <marko-_-> cool then:>
[06:44] <marko-_-> i don't have sooooooo important files
[06:44] <LiMaO> upgrades don't erase anything
[06:44] <marko-_-> just music
[06:44] <marko-_-> i don't want to download it again..:>
[06:45] <reon_> LiMaO, already rebooted
[06:45] <reon_> LiMaO, but still got lots of lag
[06:45] <buntunub> gnomefreak i believe this is a show stopper because right now dual screens is not possible unless you know scripting, and I really doubt many people who use Ubuntu do
[06:45] <LiMaO> reon_, no other idea then =/ sorry
[06:45] <LiMaO> reon_, are you using those fancy compiz effects?
[06:45] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: if install/upgrade fails to point you cant use than the back comes in handy :)
[06:45] <marko-_-> ok
[06:46] <buntunub> I was only able to get back to a working single screen via the  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg command.. again, not many people know that either
[06:46] <reon_> LiMaO, nope, but i'm gonna try with the ati driver now.
[06:46] <gnomefreak> buntunub: it is possible i just cant remember what everyone is using right now (has nothing to do with scripting)
[06:46] <LiMaO> i'm afraid of ati heh
[06:46] <buntunub> i tried using the nvidia-settings, but that seems to be disabled now
[06:47] <gnomefreak> buntunub: its a feature that is broken does not make it showstopper from devel point of view but there is an app everyone is using until it is fixed
[06:47] <reon_> LiMaO, ati driver fixed my mouse problem ;)
[06:47] <buntunub> I even tried to write my own xorg.conf, but that got overwritten on reboot
[06:47] <LiMaO> marko-_-, my / partition is 18gb big, still only 4gb is used... its backup is 3gb big... that's why i keep my /home partition with 40gb separate from the rest
[06:47] <reon_> rewq did you come right ?
[06:47] <LiMaO> easier to mantain
[06:47] <LiMaO> reon_, that's nice, nothing else broken?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> buntunub: sounds like your being kicked into failsafe X
[06:47] <LiMaO> =)
[06:47] <buntunub> my last resort is to disable startup scripts and go with GNOME default and well see how that goes
[06:48] <gnomefreak> buntunub: i suggest you look for bug reports in launchpad to see how it is being set up
[06:48] <buntunub> ill try that
[06:48] <reon_> LiMaO, nope. it just does not work so well with vb seamless mode but besides that all is well
[06:49] <buntunub> i had no trouble getting dual screens working via nvidia-settings in feisty so they might just be better off defaulting dual screens to ati and nvidia tools for now
[06:49] <LiMaO> oh, btw, nautilus is giving me some problems too.. sometimes the file browser lags, and when clicking on an mp3 file it doesn't show the open with options.. it seems like it just forget what the files are.. killing the process solves it though
[06:51] <LiMaO> reon_, what version of vb are you using? did you download the feisty version?
[06:51] <Aishiko> back and discovered that at about 30 after the system stopped again, this time under kde
[06:52] <lufis> Anyone else having trouble with moblock on gutsy?
[06:52] <LiMaO> i mean, i went to download 64bit version of virtualbox and there was no gutsy option, only up to feisty.. and it looked weird when installed
[06:52] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: I saw your recommendation and I would add more information, IF I had any.
[06:53] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: than the people that triage it will ask you but if you cant give any than it might get closed
[06:54] <savvas> LiMaO: that's a qt3 problem
[06:54] <Aishiko> I'm adding more information as I get it and figure it out but I'm not sure how to get more to add to it
[06:54] <savvas> LiMaO: give me a sec to find the bug report :)
[06:54] <LiMaO> savvas, because of me using gutsy or because of the 64bit?
[06:55] <savvas> because of non existing qtrc
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: use htop or top while lookihng at top see if you can get it to freeze but keep top/htop visible see if it doesnt show you what process is causing it
[06:56] <tretle> how do i install kde4?
[06:56] <LiMaO> all i know is that the virtualbox window had huge fonts, and the buttons and stuff looked like 1980's applications
[06:56] <Aishiko> htop?
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: strace of say ktorrent until freeze
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: htop is a pretty version of top
[06:56] <reon_> LiMaO, I'm using the feisty version on gutsy and it works like a charm
[06:56] <LiMaO> doesnt't it look weird?
[06:57] <LiMaO> i mean, bigger fonts than what you used to have on feisty
[06:57] <Aishiko> OK I'll try those
[06:57] <reon_> LiMaO, nope mine looks fine and it looks fine on my friends as well
[06:57] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: most likely they will ask for strace to start with so i would try to grab one
[06:57] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: steps to reproduce is a good thing too
[06:58] <rewq> here is the error out put from sudo apt-get update:
[06:58] <rewq> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Translation-en_US
[06:58] <rewq>   Could not connect to it.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[06:58] <rewq> Err http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/universe Translation-en_US
[06:58] <rewq>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[06:58] <gnomefreak> rewq: use pastebin
[06:58] <gnomefreak> rewq: remove it and use gb
[06:58] <bazhang> !it
[06:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:58] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: OK got them, but do I run strace before or after ktorrent?
[06:58] <lufis> What?! But I don't speak British!
[06:58] <rewq> what is pastebin???
[06:58] <gnomefreak> rewq: looks like it mirrors are giving issues
[06:59] <gnomefreak> !pastebin | rewq
[06:59] <ubotu> rewq: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:59] <rewq> so what i can do about it???
[06:59] <rewq> please..
[06:59] <lufis> little joke there...
[06:59] <gnomefreak> rewq: change "it" to "gb"
[06:59] <rewq> grazie
[06:59] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: hold on let me see if i can find the how to for you
[06:59] <rewq> tell how aand when??
[07:00] <gnomefreak> rewq: gnome?
[07:00] <rewq> kde
[07:00] <rewq> kubuntu beta
[07:00] <gnomefreak> rewq: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <gnomefreak> rewq: once it opens please tell me
[07:00] <Turms> i have installed another distro (ubuntu gutsy) how can i transfer from the previous one my custom smileys to the new one?
[07:00] <Turms> i just copied the .amsn dir but with no avail
[07:00] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace
[07:01] <rewq> ok I opend th source list
[07:01] <Aishiko> thanks gnomefreak
[07:01] <rewq> and now...
[07:01] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: yw
[07:01] <gnomefreak> rewq: every line that has it.archive......
[07:01] <savvas> LiMaO: sudo mkdir /etc/qt3/ && sudo wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/729078 -o/etc/qt3/qtrc
[07:02] <gnomefreak> remove the it and in its place put gb
[07:02] <Konam> My internet connection in gutsy dies every once in a while, it drags down my internet experience. It could be working right now and die for a moment and then it works after a while, briefly moments, it makes my browser take too long just to load a web page, because the connection is death most of the time and when it work is just for a few seconds. What's wrong?
[07:02] <rewq> change it to gb???
[07:02] <gnomefreak> rewq: when done save and close it
[07:02] <reon_> whoot!, just got 3G working with a cool gui app, I'm so happy I can...  :)
[07:02] <gnomefreak> rewq: yes
[07:02] <tretle> how do i install kde4?
[07:02] <rewq> o thank u
[07:02] <savvas> woops
[07:02] <gnomefreak> tretle: see kubuntu.org
[07:02] <savvas> LiMaO: wait
[07:02] <gnomefreak> rewq: after you close it run apt-get update
[07:03] <tretle> in #kubuntu they said to ask here
[07:03] <savvas> LiMaO: this should do it: sudo wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/729078 -O/etc/qt3/qtrc
[07:03] <savvas> LiMaO: that's the qtrc from feisty
[07:03] <gnomefreak> tretle: this channle has nothing to do with kde 4
[07:04] <gnomefreak> tretle: read the article on kubuntu.org
[07:04] <gnomefreak> tretle: btw kde4 has pretty much nothing
[07:05] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: do you think the last 5 or 6 processes from htop would be useful to the troubleshooting or do you think they'll want more?
[07:05] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: what are their CPU% adn mem%
[07:06] <Aishiko> CPU 0.0 mem 0.1 or 0.2
[07:06] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: not at all
[07:06] <njende> tretle: you'll find the answer to your question on kde.org -- eventhough I would suggest that you shouldn't install right now as the Beta3 has been postponed due to some probs. And if you don't know how to install it, I don't think you know how to solve the probs which may occur.
[07:06] <rewq> ok I did it and it gives the same error...
[07:07] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: what should I be looking for?
[07:07] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: something using alot of mem or alot of CPU
[07:07] <rewq> root@ubuntu:~# sudo apt-get update
[07:07] <rewq> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Beta i386 (20070925.2) gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[07:07] <rewq> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Beta i386 (20070925.2) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[07:07] <rewq> 20% [Connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)]  [Connecting to archive.canonical.com (1.0.0.0)]  [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (1.0.0
[07:07] <LiMaO> savvas, that will make virtualbox looks beautiful again? =D
[07:07] <gnomefreak> rewq: comment out the cdrom repo
[07:07] <gnomefreak> rewq: and use pastebin
[07:08] <rewq> ok how do i use pastebin???
[07:08] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: nothing like that yet
[07:08] <osito> hello all, letest updates have nuked my screen to a rainbow of flashing colors, I have and nvidia ge force go 4 on my laptop, can anyone help?
[07:08] <njende> tretle:
[07:08] <njende> I'd love to hear how finished Beta 3 is/will
[07:08] <njende> feel. How usable is it, more so than beta 2? How do all the changes of
[07:08] <njende> the last few days,  like a BIC friday, and the upcoming developer
[07:08] <njende> platform release affect the user experience of beta 3?
[07:09] <fay_elf> If i dont wanna apt-get to gutsy, can i get the alternate cd after final is released and use just the iso to do the update?
[07:09] <savvas> LiMaO: well.. I made mine with a different way, I added that qtrc in my home dir, all details here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/145709
[07:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145709 in qt-x11-free "7.10: Qt3 ~/.qt owner root and missing qtrc result result in ugly appearance" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:09] <gnomefreak> fay_elf: yes
[07:09] <rewq> didit and no difrent
[07:09] <tretle> i know how to install kde
[07:09] <osito> anyone?
[07:09] <rewq> same prob
[07:09] <tretle> and am 99% sure about kde4
[07:09] <gnomefreak> rewq: than its a local issue not a mirror issues
[07:10] <rewq> cant connect to any server
[07:10] <fay_elf> Gnomefreak: can i mount with adept?
[07:10] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | fay_elf
[07:10] <ubotu> fay_elf: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:10] <gnomefreak> gaythat will tell you how near bottom
[07:10] <LiMaO> savvas, you downloaded that libqt3-mt package?
[07:10] <gnomefreak> fay_elf: cd upgrade is kind of shakey right now
[07:10] <rewq> is there any way i can install wireless without apt-get working???
[07:11] <osito> anyone seeing a rainbow of flashing colors in nvidia laptop cards?
[07:11] <gnomefreak> rewq: yes wget and dpkg
[07:11] <fay_elf> Gnomefreak:but after 18th?
[07:11] <rewq> I need ndiswrapper
[07:11] <gnomefreak> fay_elf: hopfully will work better
[07:11] <LiMaO> savvas, i'll follow the instructions on that last page you gave me, thank you so much
[07:11] <rewq> and linux headers
[07:11] <savvas> LiMaO: no, I made my own "theme" in the bug report :) the other one from pastebin, yes it's from libqt3-mt feisty's package
[07:12] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: this looks promising CPU 100 and mem 11.2%
[07:12] <gnomefreak> rewq: use package.ubuntu.com and download the version for your system and use dpokg to install
[07:12] <fay_elf> Rewq: i think if you have a cd the ndis is there
[07:12] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: what is it xorg?
[07:12] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: ktorrent
[07:12] <buntunub> irt my last xorg issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/139990
[07:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139990 in xorg "gutsy: Xorg with two screens crashes" [Medium,Triaged] 
[07:12] <Aishiko> gnomefreak:  it's the top 3 at the moment
[07:12] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: good
[07:12] <rewq> how can I take it out from cd??
[07:13] <buntunub> no resolution or suggestions to fix posted
[07:13] <gnomefreak> take a screenshot of it and attach it to bug report
[07:13] <gnomefreak> rewq: its not on the cd
[07:13] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: I just took the screenshot :P
[07:13] <gnomefreak> rewq: i told you how to get it, its up to you to do it
[07:14] <osito> how do I get back to the vesa driver?
[07:15] <gnomefreak> osito: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:15] <rewq> ok thank u very much all ov you
[07:16] <bazhang> bye rewq
[07:17] <osito> gnomefreak, thanks
[07:18] <Konam> i found a bug in the pidgin's plugins
[07:18] <Konam> when you enable one of the plugins and close pidgin it doesn't remember the plugins you enable.....
[07:19] <osito> gnomefreak, how do I attach to the other screens of xserver?
[07:19] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: what is "/usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7"?
[07:20] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: why?
[07:20] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: that process is now at 70% CPU and 3.1% mem
[07:20] <gnomefreak> thats just gdm
[07:21] <gnomefreak> make that X
[07:21] <gnomefreak> in general
[07:21] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: ohh so that is pretty standard then?
[07:21] <JanC> I guess some program is keeping X very busy
[07:22] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: for most part it looks like X is telling gdm to use vt7 or up to vt7
[07:22] <gnomefreak> but should only use vt1
[07:23] <JanC> gnomefreak: Ubuntu runs X on vt7 by default
[07:23] <gnomefreak> oh yeha
[07:23] <gnomefreak> duh
[07:23] <gnomefreak> dont go there
[07:24] <JanC> I've seen some Firefox extensions misbehave and causing high X activity like that
[07:25] <LiMaO> savvas, virtualbox looks wonderful again. thank you so much =)
[07:25] <gnomefreak> JanC: this is mainly ktorrent freezing it
[07:25] <JanC> but I guess it can be any program
[07:25] <savvas> LiMaO: the qtrc from pastebin or my solution in the home dir? :p
[07:26] <martalli> Is it possible to do an dist-upgrade off of the desktop cd for a feisty->gutsy upgrade?  Earlier I had plopped a desktop cd into a feisty install, meanign to reinstall, and it had offered to do an upgrade.  Would that work, or was feisty merely confused?
[07:27] <martalli> I thought that could only be done off the alternate cd
[07:27] <bazhang> martalli: not yet--once it hits final it will be. right now it is in beta
[07:28] <jdrake> My volume control keys seem to be controlling the 'front' volume control (which does nothing), is there a way I can switch it to 'PCM' or 'Surround'? This is an intel hda sound device.
[07:28] <martalli> so for right now, if I want to upgrade the computer to gutsy beta, I should use the alternate CD?  The root partition doesn't have enough space to upgrade through upgrade-manager, so I thought an upgrade off the alternate CD would save room (less packages to download and store on the root partition)
[07:29] <savvas> martalli: you can try: gksu update-manager -d
[07:29] <savvas> ah
[07:29] <martalli> not enough space on the drive =(
[07:29] <savvas> oops :)
[07:29] <bazhang> savvas: isn't that -c -d?
[07:29] <martalli> I might just reinstall.  It is a fairly basic install int he first place
[07:30] <martalli> We use it in the office mostly for internet and OOo for office stuff
[07:30] <bazhang> yes it is
[07:30] <savvas> bazhang: correct, they can do the -c one when they click "check" :)
[07:30] <martalli> I think it is only -d now
[07:30] <martalli> At least from the ubuntu website
[07:30] <bazhang> savvas: thanks!
[07:31] <LiMaO> savvas, pastebin.. just saved that file as /home/me/.qt/qtrc
[07:31] <martalli> Is there a release candidate cd out?
[07:31] <savvas> cool LiMaO
[07:31] <bazhang> martalli: yes.
[07:32] <savvas> martalli: maybe this? sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[07:32] <martalli> I couldn't find it for kubuntu
[07:32] <martalli> kubuntu rc, I mean
[07:32] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: sorry it froze again,
[07:33] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: but this time I had strace runing and loging everything
[07:33] <martalli> Ah, I think I wil just wait to upgrade this computer
[07:33] <Aishiko> now if I can just get htop to make a log :)
[07:33] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[07:33] <bazhang> martalli: right there
[07:33] <martalli> I was looking at that page, but it is the beta (built in sept)
[07:34] <bazhang> you mean a nightly build?
[07:34] <martalli> The schedule was for a rc in october
[07:34] <bazhang> beta is late september
[07:34] <martalli> Ah, its no big deal.  I will just wait until the actual release.  My office staff would have a fit if their was any glitch
[07:35] <martalli> as there could always be before the final release
[07:35] <bazhang> good idea.
[07:35] <martalli> Better to keep them happy
[07:35] <Konam> someone can confirm it
[07:35] <thompa> hello, not sure to use 64 or 386 for intel macbook?
[07:35] <njende> martalli: and maybe the bugs in sis190 and some mor are fixed til the final release as well ;-)
[07:36] <thompa> i know about flash and adobe dont care about that
[07:36] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: dang this log is huge!
[07:36] <njende> thompa: i386
[07:36] <Konam> is just in the gutsy's pidgin package, other third party packages work just fine
[07:36] <njende> thompa: ahhh...if you dont care about flash and stuff, you could try the 64
[07:36] <martalli> I am using kubuntu gutsy on an SIS mainboard without any problems
[07:36] <thompa> njende: i saw that the daily build site lists 386 for intel macs, but i thought they would run 64 also
[07:36] <njende> I think
[07:37] <thompa> yes thats right
[07:37] <martalli> With all the little troubles installing linux on Apple hardware, it would have been nice for Yellow dog to make te move to 396 hardware and continue to support Apple based hardware
[07:38] <martalli> I mean, I am a debian/*buntu user, but still, that was yellow dog's niche
[07:38] <njende> martalli: lucky you, my notebook isn't running as yet at all...having a Intel Dual Core with SiS Chipsets
[07:38] <Konam> martalli I agree with you
[07:38] <martalli> njende: That's a fairly old mainboard...an asus pundit of the old order
[07:38] <thompa> well gutsy is working great here on intel macbook with 386, only have 4G for osx and thinking of deleting it
[07:39] <thompa> only touchpad is sensitive when typing
[07:39] <martalli> thompa: If you already paid for the prop os, why not keep it?  Sure there some use for it...after all, wine won't run osx =)
[07:39] <Dr_willis> martalli,  but vmware can! :)
[07:39] <martalli> thompa: I have the same problem with my dell m1210.  I wish I could turn off the darn touchpad
[07:39] <njende> martalli: ahhh...well. the sis190 hasn't seen as far as I can tell any major changes since 2006. In the 2.6.23 Kernel shall be a better driver for sis190 and stuff
[07:39] <martalli> Dr_willis: very true
[07:40] <thompa> martalli: you can turn it off and use external usb mouse
[07:40] <martalli> Do you think they will use 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 for 8.04?
[07:40] <mahrellon> Hi! I have second HD (ext3 format) that always prompts me for root pass when I mount it. Are there any quick fixes for this? =)
[07:40] <njende> martalli: I hope so
[07:40] <Dr_willis> ,23 would be a beta kernel wouldent it? odd #'s = beta, even = stable?
[07:40] <thompa> martalli: im not sure why to keep osx other than for firmware updates
[07:41] <martalli> thompa: Couldn't figure out how to turn it off....and I wouldn't want to do it permanently, but rather an option to turn it off, or have it turn off when an external mouse is present
[07:41] <njende> Dr_willis: dunno -- to be honest
[07:41] <martalli> I think Dr_willis is right
[07:41] <Dr_willis> mahrellon,  you can make the fstab file have a entry for it with 'users' or was it 'user' option.
[07:41] <Dr_willis> mahrellon,  or just make a fstab entry for it,. and let it mount at boot.
[07:42] <thompa> martalli: try qsynapics it works here
[07:42] <reon_> thompa, i think i saw a fix for the touchpad somewhere but dont ask me where
[07:42] <thompa> i just git a fix thanks
[07:42] <thompa> i can disable or enable it
[07:42] <martalli> Oh, quoting the wikipedia: "Starting with the Linux 2.6.x series, there is no significance to even or odd numbers, with new feature development going on in the same kernel series. Linus Torvalds has stated that this will be the model for the foreseeable future."
[07:42] <mahrellon> Dr_willis, Thanks man. I'll use your info and google up some tips'n tricks. I'm sort of a newb to Ubuntu so I'll need someone to hold my hand all the way and It's probably better it's google who'll be doing the handholding so I don't have to bother you guys to much =)
[07:42] <njende> Dr_willis: however, I think that the 23 will be released as a 24 soonish. actually the 23rd is now downloadable as a rc9...shouldn't be that long anymore, I guess
[07:42] <martalli> thompa: OK, I will try it
[07:44] <thompa> martalli: you may have to edit xorg.conf is all so qsynapics will run
[07:46] <martalli> It says I need the synaptics driver, too, but xorg already notes I have a synaptics trackpad
[07:46] <martalli> Hmm.  I will find this in a sec
[07:46] <martalli> I think mepis had qsynaptics installed by default and it had worked great
[07:46] <thompa> martalli: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=493758
[07:47] <njende> cu folks later
[07:47] <thompa> you need to maybe add the touchpad section to xorg.conf
[07:47] <thompa> very easy
[07:47] <njende> got to go for a while....
[07:47] <njende> cu
[07:48] <Stev> hi, i had a problem while upgrading
[07:48] <Konam> mi internet connection keeps dying :(
[07:50] <Konam> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3488894#post3488894
[07:51] <Stev> http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.th.png
[07:51] <Stev> on the right there are soome other errors i got during the process (in gedit)
[07:51] <usser> Stev: too small of a picture
[07:52] <martalli> Now the trackpad works better
[07:52] <Stev> uhm a sec.. :P i posted the thimb
[07:52] <martalli> I put a short delay on the trackpad while typing keys and it isn't catching while I am typing now
[07:53] <martalli> very sweet
[07:53] <Stev> http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.png
[07:54] <martalli> Es ist mir alles Spanische
[07:55] <Stev> what should i do, now?
[07:56] <thompa> martalli: you only need to really add this to xorg.conf  under input devices synaptics:  Option "SHMConfig" "on"
[07:56] <thompa> for dell laptops this seems to work also
[07:56] <martalli> thompa: That's all I added - then restarted X and all was well
[07:56] <thompa> great
[07:57] <martalli> Its working for this Dell laptop (m1210 - a very nice rig I might add =)
[07:57] <thompa> ive got a nice working macbook with 386 am wondering if i should reinstall for 64
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> thompa: depends.
[07:58] <Ximal> hey guys..
[07:58] <thompa> IndyGunFreak: is compiz effected anyway on 64?
[07:58] <kyja> I enabled cpu scailing. however running in conservitive mode is ideal except my lowest setting is 424 mhz wich is laggy and it can step all the way up to 3.4 ghz. is there a way to disable the 425 mhz setting so 850 is minimum?
[07:58] <Ximal> anyone mind telling me why i can't play anything ? like videos i download from frostwire ?
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> hmm not sure
[07:59] <Konam> Ximal do you have all the restricted codecs?
[07:59] <thompa> IndyGunFreak: i also have 2g ram so im wondering if 64 will utilize more of this
[07:59] <Ximal> i tried playing a divx file and it won't decode anything divx
[07:59] <IndyGunFreak> Ximal: yu proably don't have proper codecs, what file format?
[07:59] <Ximal> konam : no but i can't figure out how to get them under add/remove
[07:59] <thesaltydog> just updated gutsy on my laptop, and now it is unusable. The booting sequence loops into a device-mapper error and never ends. I lost the control over the pc...
[07:59] <thesaltydog> I tried also to boot with the old kernel (2.6.22-12) but it is the same
[08:00] <Konam> Ximal sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> !medibuntu | Ximal
[08:00] <ubotu> Ximal: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[08:00] <Ximal> thesaltydog : did you install something that just came out ?  if so an update , it could have been buggy..
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> just use the feisty codec repo under gutsy, it will work fine
[08:00] <Stev> While upgrading i got this error: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.png on the right there are other errors i got during the process, the error message for all except dpkg is something like "problems with dependencies"
[08:00] <thesaltydog> Ximal, just a dist-upgrade!
[08:01] <Ximal> aye dog .. savvas warned me of some of the buggy upgrades in the distro updates
[08:01] <thesaltydog> how should I put hands on it now? It doesn't boot, not even in single mode!
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> Stev: its pretty unlikely any of us speak whatever languate that is, so how do you expect s to help?
[08:02] <Stev> the italin part just says "there has been an error, the system may not be working. A recovery procedure will be run (dpkg --configure -a)
[08:04] <savvas> Ximal: type this in terminal: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[08:04] <Ximal> salty : try using the restore via live cd ..
[08:05] <savvas> hm I repeated some :p
[08:05] <savvas> eh? what happened?
[08:05] <Konam> well, I go back to Feisty, no one seems to be listening to my feedback, I hope the devs get rid of them before the final release. Gutsy is, by far, the worst ubuntu Beta i've tried...
[08:05] <Ximal> ok sav
[08:06] <thesaltydog> so, the quality control over the released packages is very bad.
[08:06] <Konam> for the record: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3488894#post3488894 & http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3488039#post3488039
[08:06] <Ximal> dog : the reason for me keeping windows on a partition is in case of this type of issue you are facing so I can come try to figure it out .. heh.. how are you with us now ?
[08:07] <Turms> i cannot find emerald-themes among pkgs, do you know what is the reason?
[08:08] <robin_> hi
[08:09] <robin_> small question, I just installed kubuntu, and the nvidia 3d binary driver. how can I now enable compiz'/fusion
[08:10] <filthpig> hmm, my linksys WUSB54GC behaves kinda weird on my system
[08:10] <filthpig> it uses the rt73 chipset, and gutsy enables the rt73usb driver for it
[08:10] <filthpig> it works smoothly out-of-the-box, but at random times it just stops and throws an error
[08:11] <Stev> any idea? what should I do now?
[08:11] <filthpig> Stev, what's your problem?
[08:12] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:    dpkg --configure -a
[08:12] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:    sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:13] <Stev> filthpig: while uprading i got this error: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.png. The italian part says that the upgrade was halted and that dpkg --configure -a is going to be run to try to recover the sytem.. on the right there is a list of packages where i got the error "problem with dependencies" while upgrading
[08:14] <squidy> is anyone here using compiz and xorg configured to dual head?
[08:14] <pvandewyngaerde> notme
[08:15] <Stev> dpg --configure -a just returns a list of problematic packages
[08:16] <Ximal> well i can now watch all the videos I want.. Im in heaven ! w00t
[08:16] <Stev> (the same listed on gedit in my screenshoot)
[08:17] <Dr_willis> squidy,  :) Yes. on my nvidia 8800gtsXXX card
[08:17] <squidy> squidy, do you use kde or gnome?
[08:17] <squidy> ops.. Dr_willis
[08:17] <Dr_willis> both. :)
[08:18] <Dr_willis> i got kde + compiz sort of going last night.. but it has some issues
[08:18] <Dr_willis> like the focus, and a few other annoyances
[08:18] <Dr_willis> ive not found a guide specifically for gutsy/kubuntu/compiz yet.
[08:19] <Xbehave> in kubuntu gusty my system settings dont have access to some files, can some1 help me figure out whats wrong?
[08:19] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev: try installing apport and apport-gtk first
[08:19] <squidy> Dr_willis, when you're using GTK apps in kde with compiz enabled and dual head.. is your gtk app getting slow?
[08:20] <squidy> for example.. if you minimize the gtk window like firefox or ccsm.. when you maximize it you have a delay about 2 secs
[08:20] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: i installed pyton-apt and it worked, it was the 1st dependency missing
[08:21] <Dr_willis> squidy,  i noticed all of KDE being sluggish when using compiz.
[08:21] <Dr_willis> gnome was much snappier
[08:21] <robin_> !compiz
[08:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:21] <wokwendell> HI all - when I boot into a secondary user account in GNOME, I get a black background (though) I can still taskbar... but no desktop icons and quit dialog doesn't come up - any ideas?
[08:21] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: now.. i need to do additional steps to continue upgrading? the upgrade process was not completed, some packages where missing and then cleanup...
[08:22] <pvandewyngaerde> try to install the packages it needs
[08:22] <pvandewyngaerde> and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:22] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: already done :) now dpkg works
[08:23] <Stev> Stev: now? how to resume the upgrade?
[08:23] <robin_> when I enable compiz with ' compiz --replace '  I lost all my file - menu / window decorations
[08:24] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:  try sudo update-manager --dist-upgrade
[08:26] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: tnx
[08:28] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: it didn't install any new package.. while during the 1st upgrade some packages where messing when there was the error, it just removed my obsolete packages
[08:29] <pvandewyngaerde> try to upgrade again and see if it works
[08:30] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: it says that the system is up to date
[08:31] <pvandewyngaerde> but do you have 7.10 now ?
[08:32] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: how to check? I guess yes, it said that the upgrade was completed
[08:33] <robin> !compiz
[08:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:34] <soundray> I'm updating gutsy, and it's stuck at scrollkeeper - "Rebuilding the database. This may take some time" for about half an hour. This is a fast machine. How long should I wait?
[08:34] <rothchild> evenin all, how do I get cron to run this script? http://pastebin.com/m58bae136
[08:35] <soundray> rothchild: I would schedule that with at
[08:35] <rothchild> i've installed gnome-schedule but it's not immediately obvious to me
[08:35] <rothchild> soundray ok, can you give me some pointers?
[08:36] <soundray> rothchild: echo runscript.sh | at 23:59
[08:39] <sayers> what in the world has happened to rythmbox!
[08:39] <Ximal> quick question guys...
[08:39] <rothchild> what do I do with the script (where do I put it?)
[08:39] <Ximal> if i install a windows file share program through wine... to use it... will the spyware on it be active through wine and wine allow it to do what it normally would ?
[08:40] <rothchild> Ximal generally no windows viruses don't run well on WINE
[08:41] <Dr_willis> Ximal,  ive installed apps with wine.. and explored what spyware they insgtall.
[08:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:41] <Dr_willis> then deleted the .wine dir to clean them out.
[08:41] <Dr_willis> I imagine a lot depends on the 'spyware' in question
[08:41] <Ximal> ok doc,,, does the spyware ever stay active on the linux side of things ? i assume they attack the win32 architectures and not linex/unix environments ?
[08:42] <Ximal> like can they go active and scan for ur passwords etc ?
[08:42] <Dr_willis> Depends on the spyware.. :)
[08:42] <Dr_willis> some apps have spyware 'in them' that only runs when they run..
[08:42] <Stev> How to install packages that werent istalled during the upgrade process? (upgrade was halted due to an error)
[08:42] <Dr_willis> some apps install spyware that auto-start. I doubt if wine would work with those
[08:43] <Ximal> so they would only BOOT when wine is being used
[08:43] <Ryandor> hullo
[08:43] <Ximal> my question was , is wine active at all times or only when WINDOWS programs are being used
[08:43] <Dr_willis> its possible  that they would hang around after you  closed the initial wine program.
[08:43] <Dr_willis> you could see them in the 'ps' listing as wine programs.
[08:43] <Dr_willis> wine is active when you use it. the spyware could spawn off and stay in the background. Is my guess
[08:44] <rothchild> soundray what do I do with my script to ensure that at knows where it is
[08:44] <Ryandor> anyone able to help the newb? ::
[08:44] <Dr_willis> !ask
[08:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:44] <Ryandor> I've got a HP/Compaq NC6220 with built-in bluetooth.. how ever Gutsy beta doesn't see it at all... (based on lshw at least).. any pointers to get it to see?
[08:44] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/spyware-keyloggers-and-wine-353301/
[08:44] <soundray> rothchild: echo /path/to/script.sh | at 23:59
[08:45] <Ximal> " ps " ??
[08:45] <rothchild> oh ok thanks (sorry for the slow uptake it's been a long day!)
[08:45] <Ryandor> I've installed everything related to gnome/bluetooth as well.. and nothing is actually detecting the biult in bt
[08:45] <soundray> Ryandor: it may be disabled in the bios
[08:45] <Ximal> it would show under system monitor right ?
[08:46] <Ryandor> I thought it was enabled but I will double check that, Soundray. (be right back) :)
[08:50] <soundray> I'm updating gutsy, and it's stuck at scrollkeeper - "Rebuilding the database. This may take some time" for about three quarters of an hour. This is a fast machine. How long should I wait?
[08:52] <[diablo] > evening #ubuntu+1
[08:53] <unf> hello
[08:53] <[diablo] > guys, I've got a KVM gutsy guest, with all updates to today... I'm thinking of installing Gutsy on my laptop, but would like to copy all the updates from my vm guest to the clean installed laptop... and then use the updates rather than download em all again.. is this possible please?
[08:53] <unf> what does exactly mean the status "fix commited" in the launchpad?
[08:54] <[diablo] > unf, think it means it's me patched
[08:54] <[diablo] > the issue
[08:54] <NightBird> unf: probably that the fix has been commited to the repo, but may not be widely available yet
[08:54] <Stev> How to install packages that weren't istalled during the upgrade process? (upgrade was halted due to an error, i suspect that some packages weren't installed)
[08:55] <soundray> [diablo] : copy the package cache over (all the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/)
[08:55] <soundray> Stev: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:55] <unf> ok
[08:55] <[diablo] > soundray, nothing more?
[08:55] <Ryandor> Bluetooth is enabled in BIOS.. but still nothing per lshw or in hardware devices :(
[08:56] <Stev> soundray:  0 installed, 0 upgraded, 1 not upgraded
[08:56] <[diablo] > soundray, then just do an apt-get update yeah?
[08:56] <unf> i ask because ive seen this status in a bug description but the program still crashes
[08:56] <soundray> Stev: okay, now 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure'
[08:57] <soundray> [diablo] : apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:57] <Stev> soundray: no output
[08:57] <[diablo] > soundray, mmm can I safely get away with only copying the one dir? do I not have to regenerate the cache info etc?
[08:57] <rothchild> Ryandor have you seen this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup?highlight=%28CategoryBluetooth%29
[08:57] <soundray> Stev: then you're probably okay
[08:58] <soundray> [diablo] : no. apt-get update creates all the info, then only downloads those debs that aren't in its cache already.
[08:58] <[diablo] > ah ok
[08:58] <soundray> *then apt-get dist-upgrade only...
[08:58] <Stev> soundray: ok.. but when i was upgrading "25 minutes" were remaning and the bar was 3/4 full
[08:58] <thesaltydog> my laptop is unusable after a dist-upgrade. It doesn't boot in any way, and loops into a device-mapper error. Shit!
[08:58] <[diablo] > soundray, you've actually tested this method out please?
[08:58] <soundray> [diablo] : many times. What are you worried about?
[08:59] <[diablo] > nothing
[08:59] <[diablo] > I attempted something similar @ work the other day
[08:59] <[diablo] > and it failed
[08:59] <thesaltydog> Booting the desktop with 2.6.22 kernel, it doen't mount my /home partition!
[08:59] <[diablo] > it did not see the copied files
[08:59] <[diablo] > had to do all the updates online
[08:59] <[diablo] > but, I'll try again with the laptop
[08:59] <soundray> [diablo] : make sure they have the right permissions once they are copied across.
[08:59] <[diablo] > nod
[08:59] <rothchild> thesaltydog I had that yesterday and it was a borked system and reload for me
[09:00] <thesaltydog> rothchild, which one of the 2 ? How did you get out of it?
[09:00] <Xbehave> is there anything like beryl-manager for gusty?
[09:00] <rothchild> when you try to mount your home partition it tells you it's 'busy'
[09:00] <Xbehave> infact is there anyway to install beryl on gusty?
[09:00] <[diablo] > I'll give it a shot, thanks soundray
[09:00] <thesaltydog> rothchild, yes!
[09:00] <[diablo] > right, TOPGEAR is on!!! wee-hee
[09:00] <[diablo] > adios
[09:01] <thesaltydog> rothchild, how did you fix it?
[09:01] <rexy_> is there a thread for the open source ati driver woes?
[09:01] <rothchild> I ended up reinstalling
[09:01] <rothchild> :-(
[09:01] <rothchild> but that's exactly why I have my /home on a different partition
[09:02] <thesaltydog> rothchild, I can't reinstall!! It is my main pc... I prefer going on with feisty's kernel.
[09:02] <usser> Xbehave: nope
[09:02] <usser> Xbehave: i think everyone hates that compiz config
[09:02] <rothchild> couldn't work out what it was I did try earlier kernels but no joy
[09:03] <rothchild> someone else here may be able to help but Hobbsee helped me yesterday and their conclusion was it was broken
[09:03] <Ryandor> "bluez-utils is already the newest version." .. " * Restarting Bluetooth services " ... hcitool shows nothing
[09:03] <thesaltydog> the kernel was broken?
[09:04] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: if you have separate /home, reinstall will not distroy that
[09:04] <mssever_> I'm developing a program that depends on libdaemonize-ruby. Someone recently complained that there is no such package in Gutsy. Since I'm not yet running Gutsy, can someone verify this and/or find the proper name for the gutsy package?
[09:04] <Ryandor> ..it as if it's not even seeing this laptop has bt
[09:04] <Lynoure> s/distroy/destroy
[09:04] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, I understand.. But what about the thousands of packages I have? And their configurations?
[09:05] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: There is a reason why the topic says what it says and the bots tells you to read it...
[09:05] <TheInfinity> hmm
[09:05] <TheInfinity> btw
[09:05] <Xbehave> i dont get what the rush the compiz is about all my favorite plugins broke and i really liked having beryl-manager even when i was using compiz as it supported crashes
[09:05] <Stev> soundray: ok.. but when i was upgrading "25 minutes" were remaning and the bar was 3/4 full.. isn't this strange?
[09:05] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, yes. I am testing ubuntu since 2005, but this discourages other testings.
[09:05] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: or boot with live cd and take backups first...
[09:05] <TheInfinity> my laptop makes powersave when i have power cable plugged in and dynamic when power cable is out
[09:05] <TheInfinity> isnt it a little curious? ;)
[09:06] <rothchild> the saltydog a lot of stuff is in the home folder so when you reinstall create a new user and then you can migrate yor config about
[09:06] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, if I reinstall, it will reinstall the same buggy kernel.
[09:06] <soundray> Stev: yes. One possibility is that it stopped updating your screen for some reason, while it worked away happily in the background.
[09:06] <Xbehave> Lynoure: a reinstall is a very windows solution it wont fix the problem for anybody else or tell anybody else how to
[09:06] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: you can reinstall feisty, if you wish, too.
[09:06] <soundray> Stev: the output you quoted indicates fairly reliably that your system is okay, though.
[09:06] <Stev> soundray:  i don't think.. i was in front of my pc while upgrading
[09:06] <Lynoure> Xbehave: I did not recommend it.
[09:06] <Stev> soundray: uhm ok..:|
[09:07] <soundray> Stev: did it stop at installing scrollkeeper btw?
[09:07] <Stev> i'm unable to open deskbar preferences on gutsy
[09:07] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: you can run some dpkg commands to list everything you have installed and a copy of /etc will save the configs
[09:07] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, as far as I can reboot with the old feisty kernel, I prefer to wait for a new 2.6.22
[09:07] <Lynoure> Xbehave: mostly antirecommended installing on one's main pc without being prepared for this. Especially if there are no backups
[09:08] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, I know, but we are very close to the release, so the testers may expect an almost stable system.
[09:08] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: oh, I was under the impression you could not get a working system at all. Sorry about the misunderstanding
[09:08] <Stev> soundray: yes scrollkeeper is installed
[09:08] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, no, I have the desktop working now with gutsy but, booting with feisty's kernel.
[09:08] <soundray> Stev: I'm asking: when it stopped progress on the install, was the last package it worked on called scrollkeeper?
[09:08] <thesaltydog> the vcery big problem is on the laptop... no way to boot.
[09:08] <DigitalNinja> Has anyone done an update in the last few minutes?
[09:09] <Xbehave> testers should always expect everything to go wrong, this morning my swap stoped working
[09:09] <Dr_willis> DigitalNinja,  doing one right now.....
[09:09] <Dr_willis> is that bad? :)
[09:09] <DigitalNinja> Dr_willis: I would like to know if anything breaks
[09:09] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, I did. It was a mess.
[09:09] <Dr_willis> heh - glad its just my newly installed Mythbuntu box thats updateing then.
[09:10] <Stev> soundray: err... yes  I read "after" instead of at.. i don't know.. i've a screen but i see the output of dpkg --configure -a
[09:10] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: I have gutsy
[09:10] <ppj> is there any reason why my nvidia drivers wont let me go above 640x480 after updates on friday?
[09:10] <DigitalNinja> did an upgrade last night and a few things broke
[09:10] <DigitalNinja> had to go back a kernel
[09:10] <Xbehave> thesaltydog whats the probelm, your home is buzy before you mount it?
[09:10] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, for the laptop I will have to reinstall. No way to boot. I have a loop on device-mapper
[09:10] <Ryandor> soundray: hidd doesn't see it, hditool doesn't see it. lsusb neither, but expected since I don;t think it's a usb device.. the bluetooth is biult-in
[09:10] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, yes.
[09:10] <soundray> Stev: never mind, it's just where I seemed to get a similar problem just now.
[09:10] <ppj> i can't even work on fixing things at this resolution its pissing me off
[09:11] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, but that is on the desktop. On the laptop there is no way to boot.
[09:11] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: are you using evsm or lvm?
[09:11] <soundray> Ryandor: does lspci show it?
[09:11] <soundray> !language | ppj
[09:11] <ubotu> ppj: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:11] <DigitalNinja> ppj: What's wrong with your resolution?
[09:11] <ppj> ubotu: uh? pissing me off?
[09:11] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, lvm
[09:11] <Ryandor> nada
[09:11] <Ryandor> soundray: nope, lspci doesn't see bluetooth either
[09:11] <ppj> DigitalNinja: after some updates on I believe friday, I havent been able to get anything but 640x480 and below resolution, I'm using the nvidia drivers
[09:11] <soundray> ppj: some people want to use this channel professionally. Your language is not appropriate.
[09:12] <ppj> DigitalNinja: and my xorg is fine
[09:12] <soundray> !fixres | ppj
[09:12] <ubotu> ppj: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:12] <ppj> xorg.conf
[09:12] <DigitalNinja> ppj: is this gutsy
[09:12] <Stev> soundray: are you able to open deskbar preferences? In resources/find file do you get tracker?
[09:12] <ppj> yes
[09:12] <DigitalNinja> ppj: go back a kernel
[09:12] <ppj> DigitalNinja: but if I go back a kernel and update won't it just break it again
[09:12] <Xbehave> i had this problem this morning with evms or whatever the non lvm 1 is called, i think its because of a kernel patch if you have the same problem, is your root on an lvm partition?
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: no
[09:13] <ppj> k
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: you need to wait for the developers to fix things
[09:13] <ppj> i know
[09:13] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, no.. the root is on a plain device
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: I did an update yesterday and it broke X
[09:13] <ppj> i'm just sick of having to run in 640x480, i can't even click on half of the options on my screen
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: I rebooted, selected the previous kernel and everything was fine
[09:13] <ppj> cool i'll see what happens
[09:14] <DigitalNinja> I hope it works for you
[09:14] <Xbehave> is uninstalling a lvm an option, if so thats the easiest fix, if not im looking for the bug i read it had a fix, either a patch to kernel or you tell lvm to not use any drives the kernel does
[09:15] <DigitalNinja> Xbehave: You can't remove LVM
[09:15] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, that's what I was looking for. How can I tell lvm not to bother with my drives?
[09:16] <DigitalNinja> if you setup your drives using LVM you are stuck
[09:16] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, I swear I NEVER setup my drives with lvm..
[09:17] <DigitalNinja> Okay
[09:17] <DigitalNinja> what does fdisk say
[09:17] <soundray> Stev: no, my system is fine after a dpkg --configure -a
[09:17] <Ryandor> soundray: I seem to recall that the bluetooth showed up under 7.04 .. but I didn't have a bt device to connect at the time. I'm wondering if there might be a related problem with my system on 7.10 that would affect.. I do have some minor issues with X and compiz, but could these relate?
[09:17] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, just /dev(hda.../hdb... and so on
[09:18] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: yeah alot of people are saying that heres the bug report its for evms but ill look for the lvm fix if its the same problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[09:18] <soundray> Ryandor: I don't think so, but I can't really claim any knowledge
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,Fix released] 
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: Yes but what kind of file system does it show
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> or should I say partition
[09:18] <thesaltydog> linux ext3
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> okay
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> looks like you don't have LVM for your drives
[09:19] <Stev> i'm unable to open preferences of deskbar
[09:19] <secret901> Including Compiz by default in 7.10 messed up the windowing in my Dell Ubuntu laptop
[09:19] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: What is LVM doing?
[09:19] <soundray> Stev: do you mean the panel, or are you talking about something else?
[09:19] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, don't know. Xbehave was saying it was due to lvm..
[09:19] <DigitalNinja> lets start from the top
[09:19] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, tks for the bug report link. It is exactly what I have on the laptop
[09:20] <Ryandor> soundray: also, if it matters: I did a clean install of gutsy on live CD dated sept 25th
[09:20] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: What is the problem?
[09:20] <Stev> soundray: deskbar, in the panel
[09:20] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, sorry I am confusing you, but I have 2 problems. One on the desktop and one on the laptop.
[09:20] <thesaltydog> Let's start with the desktop:
[09:20] <DigitalNinja> Oh
[09:20] <Ximal> haha.. found a bug
[09:20] <DigitalNinja> Which one is the LVM problem
[09:20] <soundray> Stev: what's that for?
[09:20] <Stev> soundray: the applet for the panel to search for files , launch apps etc...
[09:20] <thesaltydog> during boot sequence, /home partition doesn't mount with 2.6.22. It says that /home is busy.
[09:21] <Stev> soundray: riight click on panel / add to panel / add deskbar
[09:21] <Ximal> i accidentally tried to drag my start bar at the top of the ubuntu thing.. the icon bar that shows all things like your login name and network connection etc... anyone know how i can straighten it back up ? the text is sideways and the bar is STILL at the top
[09:21] <Ximal> haha.. nm fixed it
[09:21] <soundray> Stev: I've got it, preferences open fine
[09:21] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: Does the system boot
[09:22] <DigitalNinja> or finish booting
[09:22] <Stev> i get a crash if i try to open them...
[09:22] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, no. It does boot with kernel 2.6.20 (feisty)
[09:22] <Stev> i tried to purge and reinstall deskbar-applet :(
[09:22] <DigitalNinja> is this gutsy
[09:22] <thesaltydog> yes
[09:23] <Aishiko> well I just added htop images, strace, and updated the how to recreate part of my bug report
[09:23] <Ximal> this is gutsy all older are in #ubtunu :)
[09:23] <erichj> Stev, you could try purging gnome-applets and reinstalling all of them
[09:23] <Ximal> this is basically beta support ;)
[09:23] <Ryandor> soundray: Thanks for the help, even though I'm still stuck. I'm going to do a clean reinstall today to make sure everything is setup correctly. (It's true what they say about production machines!) Thanks again
[09:23] <soundray> thesaltydog: is it possibly trying to mount /home twice?
[09:23] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: boot with the working kernel and do an upgrade
[09:23] <thesaltydog> there is nothing to upgrade at the moment. Anyway I will continue with the old kernel until a good upgrade comes.
[09:24] <Aishiko> if this frezzes again I'm going to do a reinstall of every package on this machine
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: When was the last time you did an upgrade
[09:24] <thesaltydog> one hour ago
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> oh
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> well
[09:24] <Stev> erichj: in resources / find file do you have tracker or the old search dialog? if the old search dialog is normal where to open tracker?
[09:24] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: do you use lvm on your system?
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> you should have a huge list of kernels to choose from
[09:24] <thesaltydog> but the big problem is on the laptop
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> what's the story there
[09:25] <thesaltydog> it doesn't boot at all after the upgrade.
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> that's strange
[09:25] <thesaltydog> looking at the boot sequence I have an infinet loop error on device-mapper.
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> can you get into grub
[09:25] <erichj> Stev, tracker
[09:25] <thesaltydog> yes, then?
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> switch to a different kernel
[09:25] <Stev> erichj: i have the old dialog.. i think
[09:25] <soundray> Stev: create a new user and see if you get the same deskbar trouble. If not, reset your gnome config for the original user.
[09:26] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: is it using lvm?
[09:26] <thesaltydog> no way. on the laptop I have 2 kernels: 2.6.22-13 and 2.6.22-12. Both of them don't work
[09:26] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, don't know
[09:26] <DigitalNinja> is this gutsy
[09:26] <Xbehave> can you chroot into the system from a live cd
[09:26] <erichj> yes
[09:26] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, maybe... the bug report says to remove evms from the pc. Can I do it from a chroot?
[09:27] <Xbehave> yes, just rember to mount the boot partition
[09:27] <Aishiko> chroot?
[09:27] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, the boot partition is not separated from /
[09:27] <DigitalNinja> I'm wondering why others don't see a long list
[09:28] <DigitalNinja> who knows
[09:28] <Xbehave> DigitalNinja: depends when you installed it
[09:28] <DigitalNinja> about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[09:28] <thompa> on this laptop i did not see a message that grub install or anything prompted for reboot
[09:28] <Aishiko> DigitalNinja: I see a long list of like 4 kernels in my grub list along with memcheck and recovery versions of each kernel
[09:28] <DigitalNinja> yup
[09:28] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, so if I chroot my "/", mount the /home, can I remove evms from the pc?
[09:28] <Stev> soundray: unable tp switch user -.-
[09:28] <thompa> target system and everything created and it stops, i have windows in the other partition
[09:29] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:  so you are on gutsy now without any problems left ?
[09:29] <DigitalNinja> If gutsy stops working my suggestion is to try an older kernel
[09:29] <DigitalNinja> It has worked for me
[09:29] <thompa> how can i install grub from live after install is done
[09:29] <Stev> soundray: if i do "switch user" the screen flasahes for some seconds and then the screen locks for the current user
[09:29] <soundray> Stev: well, you know how to boot in recovery mode or switch to a console and create a new user, don't you?
[09:29] <Xbehave> i dont think youd need home just /
[09:29] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, ok.
[09:29] <Stev> soundray: the new user is created i just can't switch :P
[09:29] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, I'm gonna try
[09:30] <soundray> Stev: well, reboot then
[09:30] <Creationist> Could someone tell me how to stop Compiz in Kubuntu Gutsy?  I've tried kwin --replace, but then I have no window decorations.
[09:30] <Stev> ok..
[09:30] <soundray> !grub | thompa
[09:30] <ubotu> thompa: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:30] <soundray> thompa: follow the RecoveringUbuntu... instructions
[09:30] <thompa> i know that it wont work
[09:30] <DigitalNinja> Well, time for me to run
[09:30] <thompa> lilo will install though for some reason
[09:31] <Creationist> hmm... nevermind.  It worked this time ... go figure ;)
[09:31] <erichj> could always use the windows boot manager
[09:31] <thompa> i dont want to reformat and reinstall windows, too much pain
[09:31] <erichj> just boot into windows and add an entry for linux
[09:31] <thompa> me?
[09:31] <erichj> yeah
[09:32] <thompa> where  do you add that?
[09:32] <thompa> its windows xp i think my kids laptop
[09:32] <erichj> i want to say boot.ini
[09:32] <erichj> but it's been awhile
[09:32] <thompa> me too
[09:32] <thompa> grub rescue wont work either
[09:33] <thompa> maybe i will try a 3rd party boot loader
[09:33] <thompa> its only this laptop, and i know its cause of windos install
[09:33] <ppj> yes the boot.ini
[09:33] <Ximal> heya .. I'm having trouble getting my wireless adapter on my laptop to realize the network in the room... how do i have it search for them ? or does it not work unless it's installed .. ubuntu completely into the pc ? like the live cd edition won't work ?
[09:33] <erichj> yeah
[09:33] <thompa> it took me days to get windows crap working anyway
[09:34] <thompa> ppj: will i have to boot into windows first each time
[09:34] <erichj> thompa, it will ask you what OS to load for each boot
[09:34] <thompa> nightmare getting sp2 on this vaio
[09:35] <Tomcat_> thompa: Getting Windows XP up to SP2 is always a nightmare. ;)
[09:35] <thompa> thanks ill try that. i have to keep xp for the kids horse game only
[09:36] <thompa> especiall bad with vaio and drivers, needs safe mode and all sorts of tricks
[09:36] <Lynoure> akregator on gutsy seems a lot slower than on feisty
[09:36] <thompa> the vaio disks stopped working ages ago
[09:36] <ppj> thompa: ? you can set a default and have a menu using the boot.ini
[09:36] <thompa> so i got my old xp disk never opened
[09:36] <Ximal> ????
[09:36] <thompa> thanks
[09:36] <newsense> whats the best way to upgrade from feisty ?
[09:37] <thompa> newsense: you got lots of data
[09:37] <erichj> newsense, wait for final for beta then do a dist-upgrade
[09:37] <ppj> man compiz has a lot of options in the manager
[09:37] <erichj> i meant Gutsy not beta
[09:37] <thompa> i like the paint screen with fire
[09:37] <Aishiko> I have an install disc of XP Pro with SP2 with it so it's not hat big adeal
[09:38] <thompa> mines first xp release disk
[09:38] <ppj> 323 updates for you
[09:38] <ppj> well actually 273 at first
[09:38] <erichj> i still have xp RC2 on cd somewhere around here
[09:38] <ppj> then another 30
[09:38] <newsense> erichj: i need the module for tr61 based wifi card the one with feist doesnt work and i dont wanna recompile kernel
[09:38] <newsense> erichj: any suggestions
[09:39] <newsense> erichj: gutsy's  stock kernel has rt61-pci module rather than rt61 in feisty default kernel
[09:39] <thompa> erichj: the drivers were a big problem because without ac i got blue screen, also no wired or wireless nothing
[09:39] <erichj> newsense, well if you don't mind using a beta. sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. or burn gutsy to cd and install
[09:40] <Ximal> anyone mind telling me or clueing me in on how to get my wireless to notice my network ? on my laptop? it doesn't show anything unless i add it
[09:40] <erichj> Ximal, turning roaming on
[09:40] <ppj> Ximal: is ssid broadcast on?
[09:40] <Ximal> it is on
[09:40] <Ximal> roaming is
[09:40] <Ximal> lemme see if i got ssid off
[09:40] <newsense> erichj: i ran debian sid for years, not new to betas, and do i have to edit my sources.listat all ?
[09:40] <rothchild> if you need to roll sp2 in to an xp install you can do it with this http://www.nliteos.com/
[09:40] <newsense> feisty/gutsy ?
[09:41] <erichj> newsense, i don't think you do. i might be wrong though.
[09:41] <thompa> newsense: back up your data
[09:41] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, fixed the laptop!!!
[09:41] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, After changing /etc/evms.conf (exclude = [ * ]  in sections 'activate' and 'sysfs_devices') 2.6.22-13 booted now without problems
[09:41] <newsense> erichj: ill post bug reports if i find any,im not one of "those" beta users
[09:42] <thesaltydog> from a live-cd
[09:42] <thompa> im reinstalling on 3 computers just now , 2 are 64 1 a macbook
[09:42] <pqnet> :D
[09:42] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: good
[09:42] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, thank you for the link to the bug!
[09:42] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: good, i dont get why they installedevms if your not using it :S
[09:43] <Xbehave> similar thing should work on desktop
[09:43] <thesaltydog> don't know if it is the same...
[09:44] <Xbehave> it sounds the same, i had the same problem as you this morning it wasnt mounting my swap or boot sayiung they were too busy
[09:44] <nzero> anyone know if the monitors and graphics feature is going to work in final
[09:44] <newsense> thompa: what is the correct procedure to update from feisty to gutsy, do i have to edit the sources.list ?
[09:44] <Xbehave> newsense: the prefered procedure is backup, install of CD i think
[09:45] <newsense> Xbehave: i have nothing to backup really, just a box to play with, no cds
[09:46] <newsense> Xbehave: would like to upgrade via net
[09:46] <Stev> when you do Resourches / Find file, do you get nautilus-search-tool?
[09:46] <kRush> newsense, update-manager -d
[09:47] <nzero> anyone know if they are going to have the monitors and graphics configuration program working by final
[09:48] <Stev> err -.-  i mean tracker-search-tool
[09:49] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, yes. I fixed the desktop too. Same bug.
[09:54] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, tks again also for this. Just one hour ago I was thing to reinstall..
[09:55] <Aishiko> thesaltydog: I've been considering that myself but I don't really want to do that
[09:56] <ppj> anyone using kde4 on gibbon?
[09:56] <Aishiko> ppj is that kde?
[09:56] <Aishiko> I mean the most current kde
[09:57] <ppj> its the beta
[09:57] <ppj> kde 4 is still beta
[09:58] <ppj> man anytime i mess with beryl/xgl/compiz settings i make it more annoying to use
[09:58] <ppj> i'm glad theres default buttons
[10:00] <Dr_willis> i had the wobbly windows so wabbly. i had to wait 3 min for them to calm down. :)
[10:01] <gabor_> what is wmaster0 ?
[10:02] <Ryandor> hullo again
[10:02] <ppj> Dr_willis: ive got some fade effect going on and I'm not even sure which one it is but its annoying and is very slow
[10:06] <Ryandor> ...So I'm booting off the lastest gusty livecd (downloaded 30 minutes ago), and it's not seeing the built-in bluetooth.. HP/Compaq NC6220 .. I think it's a broadcom chipset.. I've got the extracted windows drivers.. is there a way to get bluetooth working.. using a method like NDIS or anyway else that anyone knows.. I thought the bluetooth was seen under 7.04, but not sure, and didn't have a bt device at the time..
[10:15] <Amaranth> Ryandor: There is no ndiswrapper-like thing for bluetooth
[10:15] <jgm> Hi is there a nvidia-kernel package for the 2.6.22-13-generic image?  I'm not getting any luck with attempting to use the 'nvidia' driver in my xorg.conf...
[10:15] <Amaranth> jgm: Yeah, since about 38 hours ago
[10:15] <Amaranth> jgm: your mirror might be outdated
[10:16] <jgm> Hmm... possible, but suspect that something else may be broken with my install.  What's the primary site?
[10:16] <Amaranth> archive.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <jgm> Yeah that's what I'm using.
[10:16] <Amaranth> what i do is put my local mirror first in sources.list and that one second
[10:17] <Amaranth> that way i get the speed of the local mirror but can still get up-to-date packages if the mirror hasn't updated yet
[10:17] <Ryandor> Amaranth: Thanks. Any other method you can think of?
[10:17] <Amaranth> jgm: then your system is broken
[10:17] <jgm> Yeah thought that may be the case
[10:17] <Amaranth> Ryandor: nope, i hate bluetooth
[10:17] <Amaranth> bluetooth absolutely trashes battery life
[10:18] <jgm> I get lots of segmentation faults when I try an "aptitude reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic" coming from ld_static, which I suspect may be the core issue (so to speak)
[10:18] <Ryandor> Amaranth: Thanks. I'm not much for it either, but it would be nice not to have to use a dongle for a "regular" wireless mouse.
[10:19] <Amaranth> Ryandor: pastebin your lspci
[10:20] <Ryandor> paste the whole think? I grep'd for blu but nothing showed
[10:20] <Amaranth> whole thing, and pastebin, not paste
[10:21] <Ryandor> Amaranth: not sure I know how to pastebin :(
[10:21] <Amaranth> !pastebin
[10:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:21] <Amaranth> jgm: uh, ouch
[10:22] <Amaranth> jgm: run memtest (it'll take a few hours)
[10:23] <jgm> Amaranth: possible but it's only that one package that has the problem so more likely to be something bad on the install (which was originally tribe5 and been upgrading since then)
[10:23] <Amaranth> jgm: I'd vote corrupt install, bad RAM, or bad HD
[10:24] <Amaranth> jgm: But the first one is usually caused by one of the other two
[10:24] <neildarlow> following a recent kernel/networkmanager update, my wired connection is reported as eth1 instead of eth0. any idea why this is happening?
[10:24] <jgm> Yeah I may run a memtest and if I don't get anything from that do a reinstall.  Thanks for the help
[10:24] <Amaranth> neildarlow: it's no big deal
[10:24] <Ryandor> Amaranth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39912/
[10:25] <Amaranth> Ryandor: That is a weird system
[10:25] <neildarlow> Amaranth: sure it works but even dmesg shows eth0 as the interface but mii is reported for eth1. it's odd that's all
[10:26] <Amaranth> Ryandor: If it has a sticker that says "Centrino" I'd complain to the manufacturer, they're lying :P
[10:26] <Amaranth> Ryandor: Normally the bluetooth comes with the wireless on these systems so it'd be intel
[10:27] <Amaranth> Ryandor: Are you sure the bluetooth isn't working? A lot of those wireless mice don't actually use bluetooth, that's why they have the dongle
[10:28] <Amaranth> it's more like wireless PS/2
[10:29] <Ryandor> Amaranth: It does say centrino, but all the windows bluetooth drivers (from hp.com) for this model give broadcom inf files. Of course I could be clueless. This mouse was bought specificly to test bluetooth wireless: "Kensington Si670m bluetooth wireless notebook mouse"
[10:29] <Amaranth> hrm
[10:29] <Amaranth> Are you running some tool to associate the two?
[10:30] <Amaranth> Because it's not just magically going to happen
[10:31] <Ryandor> Amaranth: Not even getting that far.. nothing indicates that bluetooth even exists on the laptop, except BIOS.. Under windows bluetooth worked (as best as I knew, since I didn't have the mouse then, and I've wiped windows completely)
[10:32] <ikonia> nzero: welcome, thanks for joining
[10:32] <Amaranth> Ryandor: Sorry dude, that's all I know
[10:32] <Lynoure> Does akregator eat most of CPU for anyone else?
[10:32] <Amaranth> I don't have any bluetooth devices and I've blacklisted the kernel module so it's not even enabled
[10:32] <Amaranth> Lynoure: Not many KDE people here :)
[10:32] <Ryandor> previously, I did load every tool I could find that has gnome/bluetooth related.. nothing. I've booted off livecd now so I figured I'd at least be able to see the bluetooth in lspci
[10:32] <heartsblood> What is the name of the crash report program in gutsy gdm?
[10:33] <Lynoure> Amaranth: hmm, there is a #kubuntu+1?
[10:33] <Amaranth> in gdm? gdm is the thing that lets you login
[10:33] <Amaranth> Lynoure: no
[10:33] <heartsblood> gnome
[10:33] <nzero> I no prob, I have the latest XGL server and ATI restricted drivers running and everything is fine except for the screensavers. I can see the screen savers in the little preview window but when i try to preview full screen or run it it just is blank
[10:33] <Amaranth> Lynoure: not many kde people period in ubuntu-land
[10:33] <Amaranth> well, compared to gnome users
[10:33] <Lynoure> Amaranth: then I guess I'll have to take my chances here as it is not yet supported on #kubuntu
[10:34] <heartsblood> problem is, it's saying programs that arn't even installed have crashed then pointing to files that don't exist
[10:34] <heartsblood> how do I remove it?
[10:34] <Amaranth> Kubuntu users are supposed to be more...self-sufficient :)
[10:34] <ikonia> nzero I don't know if its related, but that use to happen to a few ati cards / drivers in fesity too
[10:34] <Lynoure> Amaranth: maybe we are, for much part... :)
[10:34] <Amaranth> heartsblood: It's going over every program that crashed when you were using feisty
[10:34] <ikonia> nzero: I've never had that problem with nvidia, but it was noted on ati
[10:34] <Ryandor> lol (that's why, while I prefer kde, I don't use it as there's more "support" for gnome)
[10:34] <Amaranth> heartsblood: Just click ok the 100 or so times required and it'll go away for good :)
[10:35] <Lynoure> Amaranth: but when app goes silly with gettimeofday({1191788164, 28695}, NULL) = 0, it looks like a dev thing
[10:35] <heartsblood> Amaranth: easier said than done, it's crashed X twice now in the process
[10:35] <Amaranth> heartsblood: or run sudo rm /var/crash/*
[10:35] <heartsblood> ah
[10:35] <Amaranth> it'll clear out the crash files
[10:35] <heartsblood> ty
[10:35] <Amaranth> so the crash reporter doesn't bug you about them
[10:35] <LiMaO> i tried kde (kubuntu) 2 days ago. it was a 10min experience. couldn't stand it.. went back to ubuntu/gnome
[10:36] <danny> ikonia: hey I am letting you know I am here and I am waiting scine it seems your the only one that can help me as it seems. just let me know when your rdy to help me :) thanks
[10:36] <nzero> ikonia: i noticed now, the screen can run when it is activated by idle fullscreen but not when previewed fullscreen. When it runs though it looks like its really have a hard time rendering
[10:36] <heartsblood> Just so I know in the future, what is the name of the program that is doing this?  I thought it was newer version of bug buddy but even with bug buddy removed I still get spammed
[10:36] <ikonia> danny are you running gusty
[10:37] <ikonia> nzero thats a very odd, yet specific behaviour
[10:37] <Amaranth> heartsblood: apport
[10:37] <heartsblood> ty sir
[10:37] <Amaranth> heartsblood: And you should basically never bother to file a bug about a program crash unless you use it
[10:37] <ikonia> nzero: probably a bug in the way preview is launched against the ati drivers,
[10:37] <heartsblood> I haven't
[10:37] <danny> ikonia: Ubuntu 7.04        - the Feisty Fawn - released in April 2007.
[10:38] <heartsblood> it's just that so many windows come up at once X dies
[10:38] <nzero> hmmmm, if i disable desktop effects then it is fine, runs fine both in fullscreen preview and idle use
[10:38] <Amaranth> nzero: unredirect fullscreen windows
[10:38] <nzero> ...in compiz config
[10:38] <nzero> ?
[10:38] <Amaranth> nzero: or just run `gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz` and reset your settings to stock
[10:39] <ikonia> danny jump in #ubuntu for support
[10:39] <danny> I am there as well and you said youe gana get to my problem soon I been in there for 15 min so far waiting, so I though you know how to fix it lol
[10:40] <heartsblood> woot!
[10:40] <heartsblood> Amaranth: I love you
[10:40] <ikonia> danny I meant I'd get around to seeing if we could help you as you where being ignored, but support for 7.04 is in #ubuntu, not #ununtu+1
[10:40] <nzero> hmm, well i want all my nifty effects running, I am using a custom configuration of effects using the compiz manager, I like naked chicks with guitars on the top of my desktop cubes, but all that compositing is messing up the Screensavers ability to render Opengl
[10:40] <LiMaO> brb, changing from xchat to kvirc
[10:40] <ikonia> 4nzero sounds a sane explination
[10:40] <danny> ikonia: aahh ok,
[10:41] <nzero> hmmm, so i need compiz to stop rendering when the screensavers start
[10:41] <nzero> and then to restart when they quit
[10:41] <Amaranth> nzero: that'd be unredirect fullscreen windows
[10:42] <heartsblood> Amaranth: There is one thing that I would like to give you a heads up about in case you weren't aware.  People who have firefox and google desktop will not be able to type "crash report detected" into a search box without firefox crashing out.  removing google desktop fixed the problem but I dont understand why that phrase caused such an adverse reaction.
[10:42] <Amaranth> heartsblood: eh
[10:42] <nzero> what is that exactly, like what does that tell the display to do?
[10:42] <Amaranth> google desktop == crap and unsupported
[10:42] <Amaranth> so...
[10:42] <nzero> lol
[10:42] <heartsblood> maybe, but I loved it in feisty
[10:42] <Amaranth> nzero: Exactly what it says :)
[10:42] <nzero> oh
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> danny: unless of course you are using kubuntu, whose support is in #kubuntu
[10:43] <Amaranth> nzero: compiz redirects drawing to an offscreen buffer, that's how composite works
[10:43] <nzero> it tells the fullscreen windows to bypass the compositing of compiz
[10:43] <Amaranth> yes
[10:44] <Aishiko> OK how do I change ownership of a thumbdrive? sudo chown -R username:usergroup /media/thumbdrive isn't working it's coming up as not permitted
[10:44] <Amaranth> Aishiko: you can't change permissions on a flash drive, FAT doesn't support permissions
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> Aishiko: did you replace username and usergroup with real values?
[10:45] <Aishiko> nosrednaekim: yes, I'm not that silly :P
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> :)
[10:45] <nzero> but if i do that, won't i lose the ability to see fullscreen windows that i do want included in compiz, like say being able to see a fullscreen movie playing in the cube
[10:45] <Aishiko> Amaranth: then why can't I edit anything on it?
[10:45] <Aishiko> it says the drive and everything on it are owned not by me but by root
[10:46] <Amaranth> Aishiko: you mounted it wrong
[10:47] <Amaranth> And know, I don't know the right way
[10:47] <Amaranth> It should have automounted
[10:47] <Almindor> hello, I went with a clear reinstall after some troubles, and installed tetex-extra, but I still get a missing "utf-8.def" on processing my .tex files. Anyone has any idea where the file might be? (I'm fairly sure i didn't add any external .def files)
[10:47] <Aishiko> Amaranth: nothing has ever automounted thru the usb
[10:47] <hetauma> any ideas when ubuntuguide will be available for gutsy?
[10:48] <Amaranth> Aishiko: and you're using ubuntu? as in ubuntu-desktop
[10:48] <Amaranth> hetauma: hopefully never
[10:48] <Aishiko> Amaranth: as in gnome that came standard only change is compiz was removed
[10:48] <Amaranth> Aishiko: that's...odd
[10:49] <hetauma> Amaranth, by the means that it would be same with feisty?
[10:49] <Amaranth> hetauma: No, because it's crap and tells you to do things that are bad
[10:49] <cabajgtr> Hey is there an way to use the new resolution tool to switch between Mirror mode and dualscreen?
[10:49] <Aishiko> Amaranth: I know I've had to modify the fstab to get anything to mount, and then I had to go in and use the mount command in the terminal
[10:50] <WGGMk> anyone know of a good vncviewer like app, mine is sorta sluggish
[10:50] <nzero> hey where is file associations controlled at?
[10:51] <x_link> Hi
[10:51] <x_link> Just have a quick question to ask.
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> nzero: are you on kubuntu?
[10:52] <x_link> In Kubuntu Feisty when I had my mousecursor over a .jpg-file it should a "viewport" or what it's called of the picture.
[10:52] <x_link> But it isn't like that in Gutsy, Dolphin. Doesn't seem like I can use Konqueror instead of Dolphin.
[10:52] <x_link> Is there anyway I can change that? I really want that setting.
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> x_link: yeah.. there is a way... go into system-settings-> default applications
[10:53] <nzero> no ubuntu gutsy
[10:53] <nzero> i yes
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> nzero: oh.. sorry, can't help w/ that
[10:53] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I use kControl.
[10:53] <x_link> =)
[10:53] <nzero> default applications
[10:53] <nzero> yes
[10:53] <nzero> ahahahahahahahaha i have the power
[10:53] <WGGMk> anyone know of a good vncviewer like app, mine is sorta sluggish
[10:53] <nzero> thanks
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> x_link: is system settings broken or something?
[10:54] <x_link> nosrednaekim: THen what?
[10:54] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I'm in system settings now.
[10:54] <x_link> nosrednaekim: No, I just like kControl better =)
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> x_link: click on "default applications" its near the top
[10:54] <redheat> hi everyone
[10:54] <x_link> I did, I'm thre now
[10:54] <x_link> there
[10:55] <redheat> I know this is strictly help channel and all, but please let me say this ...Hooah Hooah HOoah
[10:55] <redheat> I got compizfusion to run on KDE
[10:55] <redheat> yes
[10:55] <x_link> redheat: Hehe
[10:55] <redheat> now back to my question
[10:55] <nzero> cool
[10:55] <x_link> redheat: You use Gutsy?
[10:55] <redheat> finally
[10:55] <redheat> yes
[10:55] <x_link> redheat: Okej, which version did you get installed?
[10:55] <x_link> Seems like I have an old version.
[10:56] <redheat> 7.10 the second beta version,
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> x_link: there whould be "filemanager" there.
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> *should
[10:56] <redheat> wow awesome..
[10:56] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Okej.
[10:57] <redheat> my question is about one thing..I have the 100.14.19 nvidia drivers installed, but there's one problem
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> and that would be...
[10:57] <x_link> redheat: Okej.
[10:57] <redheat> everytime I restartd the machine the brightnes, contrast, and gamma settings, are gone..I mean the screen is pale as ghost until I open the xserver settings
[10:57] <heartsblood> how do I change the font type/size in a tty console?  gutsy made the font really hard to read
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> x_link: change it from dolphin to konqueror
[10:58] <redheat> and the brightness,contrast and gamma come back in an instant
[10:58] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Email Client, Embedded Text Editor, Instant Messenger, Terminal Emulator, Web Browser
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> x_link: oh... hmm.
[10:59] <LiMaO> can i use evolution for calendar stuff, note taking and personal management without using it for email?
[10:59] <freezerburn> Hey guys I just updated to Gutsy from a clean install of Feisty.  I've been having problems with the video driver working on my Geforce 6800go with my Inspiron 9300.  If for some reason when I enable the Restricted "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)" my xserver goes down I guess that's what it's called.  So I'm trying it again but if for some reason I get stuck in the terminal without GUI, how do I bring it back to
[10:59] <freezerburn>  download another driver or return it back to it's old state?  If anyone could help I'd appreciate it!
[11:00] <x_link> nosrednaekim: =)
[11:00] <IndyGunFreak> !res | freezerburn
[11:00] <ubotu> freezerburn: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> freezerburn: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the nv driver
[11:01] <IndyGunFreak> freezerburn: what i woudl do, is run that  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that is on thatp age.
[11:01] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: but if the nvidia driver is causing the problem... and it still happens, he shoul probably select Vesa, which will get him back to a GUI,
[11:01] <IndyGunFreak> or it should anyways
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> IndyGunFreak: so would NV
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> which is the open 2d driver
[11:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Is it even possible to change it to Konqueror?
[11:02] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: right.., but he could take a generic driver.. his screen res may suck, but it will get him to a gui
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> x_link: hmmm I THINK so.. I forget how though.
[11:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Humm okej.
[11:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I'm trying to find it, but without sucess.
[11:03] <freezerburn> Well the whole idea of all this is to get compiz-fusion working, I just did the clean installs cause it was messing up before.
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> x_link: maybe ask on #kde
[11:03] <LiMaO> hey everyone, can i use evolution for calendar stuff, note taking and personal management without using it for email?
[11:03] <cdm10> Has anyone noticed issues with the rendering of the "i" in Firefox on Gutsy?
[11:03] <cdm10> LiMaO: I don't see why not...
[11:04] <x_link> nosrednaekim: They told me to ask here.
[11:05] <LiMaO> cdm10, gonna give it a try then.. as soon as i finish backing up
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> x_link: lol... umm google it
[11:07] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Trying to find it....
[11:07] <IndyGunFreak> wha tdo you want to change to konq/
[11:08] <x_link> IndyGunFreak: I don't want to use Dolphin, I want Konqueror instead.
[11:08] <nzero> anyone offhand remember the command to run VLC media player
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> hmm,
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> uh, vlc?
[11:08] <nzero> ok
[11:08] <nzero> dumb question
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> nzero: lol, we all have those moments
[11:09] <nzero> i thought it was something like gvlc
[11:09] <nzero> but no
[11:09] <cdm10> Can anyone go to a wikipedia article and tell me whether they se this font rendering issue with the "i" letter? I have a screenshot here: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4383/fontissuegm8.png
[11:10] <nzero> does anyone know if they will have the mutlimonitor configuration feature working by final release
[11:10] <LiMaO> cdm10, no problems here
[11:10] <slackern> cdm10: It doesn't look like that for me not on any page i have seen atleast, got an url maybe to that link?
[11:10] <IndyGunFreak> me either.
[11:10] <cdm10> slackern: Any wikipedia page... here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish
[11:11] <cdm10> I have msttcorefonts installed, I'll try removing that.
[11:11] <LiMaO> have you tried right clicking the desktop, going to fonts and messing up with the settings there?
[11:11] <cdm10> LiMaO: I should...
[11:11] <LiMaO> i have it too, no problems with msttcorefonts
[11:11] <nzero> does anyone know if they will have the mutlimonitor configuration feature working by final release
[11:11] <cdm10> !repeat | nzero
[11:11] <ubotu> nzero: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:11] <x_link> IndyGunFreak: Do you know how I can do that?
[11:12] <IndyGunFreak> x_link: absolutely no clue
[11:12] <IndyGunFreak> i don't mess with KDE much
[11:12] <x_link> IndyGunFreak: Okej, sorry.
[11:12] <adi_> msttcorefonts install help nedeed in kubuntu
[11:12] <adi_> can anyone help??
[11:12] <cdm10> Same issue with fonts no matter the font settings I try. I installed a bunch of font packages, maybe one of those screwed something up... I'll remove and reinstall one-by-one.
[11:13] <LiMaO> cdm10, it only happens on wikipedia?
[11:13] <cdm10> !anyone | adi_
[11:13] <ubotu> adi_: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:13] <x_link> Does anybody here in #Ubuntu+1 know how I can change from using Dolphin to Konqueror?
[11:13] <cdm10> LiMaO: I think I saw it somewhere else once, but I don't remember where.
[11:13] <cdm10> x_link: Doesn't KDE have a default browser selection thingy?
[11:13] <LiMaO> adi_, type apt-get install msttcorefonts on a terminal window
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> cdm10: thats for web browser I think
[11:13] <cdm10> nosrednaekim: Dammit, Dolphin is a filemanager.
[11:13] <adi_> I did that
[11:13] <cdm10> x_link: sorry 'bout taht
[11:14] <LiMaO> adi_, and?
[11:14] <adi_>  and Im stuck with xml files
[11:14] <Viper550> x_Link: You still have Konqueror. Dolphin is just a file manager
[11:14] <rothchild> what setting do I put in ccsm 'window decoration' to make compiz use my metacity theme for window decoration?
[11:14] <cdm10> adi_: what do you mean, stuck with xml files?
[11:14] <cdm10> adi_: It should add the fonts to your applications.
[11:14] <adi_> im on kubuntu kde
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> adi_: and....
[11:15] <x_link> Viper550: I know, but I want to change so that Konqueror opens when I doubleclick on my hardrive-icon.
[11:15] <cdm10> adi_: Yes, I realize that. It shouldn't change anything.
[11:15] <LiMaO> adi_, what does xml has to do with msttcorefonts?
[11:15] <adi_> on ubuntu I know how to do it
[11:15] <x_link> Don't want Dolphin to be default, I want Konqueror as default.
[11:15] <cdm10> adi_: sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts should do it...
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> adi_: it automatically configured them for me.
[11:15] <Viper550> Put a shortcut to konqueror on your desktop
[11:15] <adi_>  really
[11:15] <adi_> ?
[11:15] <slackern> cdm10: sorry a bit slow but this is how it looks for me. http://:81.94.95.51:8080/fish.png
[11:15] <adi_> I followed aome guides and
[11:15] <cdm10> adi_: You're not telling me what's happening. I don't know what you mean by "stuck with xml files."
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> adi_: yeah... where can't you find them?
[11:16] <adi_>  yeah ok
[11:16] <cdm10> slackern: Yeah, taht's what it's supposed to look like...
[11:16] <adi_> i installed msttcorefonts from adept
[11:16] <cdm10> Dammit I can't type today.
[11:16] <x_link> Damn it, I really don't find it anywhere.
[11:16] <wabiD> is there a way to set the default size of a window when i unmaximize it
[11:16] <freezerburn> guys I did not get the CompizConfig Settings Manager in my gutsy install.  also emerald so now I'm not sure what else is missing
[11:16] <cdm10> I'm going to try running without my nvidia drivers.
[11:16] <wabiD> firefox and gedit end up being the exact same size, which is really annoying
[11:16] <adi_> then i had to extract xml files in to some dir
[11:16] <cdm10> freezerburn: do sudo aptitude install emerald compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:16] <adi_> and this is where im stuck
[11:17] <cdm10> adi_: You shouldn't have to do that... if you've installed the msttcorefonts package, it should just work. Can you go to your office app and tell me if you see Times New
[11:17] <cdm10> damn, Times New Roman
[11:17] <LiMaO> adi_, msttcorefonts = a font package. after it's installed, it's installed. and that's it. no xml files to mess up with
[11:17] <adi_> realy??
[11:17] <LiMaO> adi_, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:17] <LiMaO> and that's just it
[11:17] <adi_> ok im trayin out now
[11:17] <LiMaO> it's installed
[11:17] <cdm10> adi_: Could you just check if the fonts are installed?
[11:18] <cdm10> adi_: Like, in an office app?
[11:18] <adi_> ok
[11:18] <adi_> 1 sek
[11:18] <LiMaO> i wonder where those xml files came from
[11:18] <LiMaO> hehe
[11:18] <x_link> cdm10: Do you use KDE?
[11:18] <cdm10> x_link: I've tried it, but I don't use it.
[11:18] <x_link> Okej =/
[11:19] <cdm10> Restarting X as soon as my Flickr upload is done...
[11:19] <x_link> I'm looking in KDE Components --> File Associations + File Manager. But there is nothing I can change.
[11:19] <adi_> no they are not installed
[11:19] <LiMaO> cdm10, what's your flikr page?
[11:19] <cdm10> LiMaO: Why?
[11:19] <adi_> but its my fallt
[11:19] <LiMaO> i'm into photography as a hobby too =)
[11:19] <cdm10> LiMaO: They're family-only photos :)
[11:20] <cdm10> LiMaO: I do black-and-white film photography in school, but my Flickr is mostly just quick snapshots.
[11:20] <adi_> i've unistalled them after  I thought the guide was not for me
[11:20] <adi_> im doing it now
[11:20] <LiMaO> oh ok, sorry for asking =)
[11:20] <cdm10> That's ok.
[11:20] <adi_> what was th shell command??
[11:20] <cdm10> adi_: sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts
[11:20] <adi_> ok
[11:21] <cdm10> LiMaO: I'd really like to get a DSLR so I can get more into digital photography as art.
[11:21] <LiMaO> i'm looking forward to buying a canon 40d
[11:21] <adi_> downloading.....
[11:21] <LiMaO> really want it
[11:21] <Aishiko> cdm10: I agree I would love the 12Mp DSLRs that are out there
[11:21] <adi_> then I have to reboot the machine
[11:21] <cdm10> LiMaO: I think if I get one, I'll get a Nikon. I'm normally a Canon guy, but for some reason I think NIkon is the way to go.
[11:22] <adi_> or just ctrl+alt+canc
[11:22] <cdm10> adi_: neither.
[11:22] <adi_> so how im going to see them on apps and in konqueror???
[11:22] <cdm10> Aishiko: I'm not looking for resolution with a DSLR... most DSLRs are about on par resolution-wise with compact cameras. I just like the bigger sensor size and other DSLR-ish things.
[11:22] <adi_> should I set them up??
[11:23] <cdm10> adi_: No, you'll just see them in your word processor in the fonts menu.
[11:23] <adi_> is this just for open office??
[11:23] <x_link> cdm10: I fixed it =)
[11:23] <cdm10> adi_: No, it's for anything.
[11:23] <cdm10> x_link: ok :)
[11:23] <adi_> cause I want to use them on all
[11:23] <adi_> ah ok
[11:23] <x_link> cdm10: I just did sudo aptitude purge dolphin =)
[11:24] <Aishiko> cdm10: I go for everything SLR like, including resolution, compact cameras are annoying to me and way to much of a uni-tasker to me
[11:24] <cdm10> x_link: Yeah, that would work :)
[11:24] <LiMaO> cdm10, i would get a 200D if i went for a nikon, but it's much more expensive
[11:24] <cdm10> LiMaO: Yeah :)
[11:24] <cdm10> I'll probably go for the low-end.
[11:24] <LiMaO> but i've been getting some pretty nice results from a point and shoot
[11:24] <LiMaO> let me give you my flickr link.. you can check it out if you want
[11:24] <cdm10> sure.
[11:25] <x_link> cdm10: =)
[11:25] <adi_> ok now I see times new roman on office
[11:25] <adi_> but not in the system
[11:25] <cdm10> Well, it's possible, but you can't do cool things like depth-of-field-changing and you can't change lenses. And the noise from the tiny sensor means that you can't use shots full-resolution unless you take them in really bright light.
[11:26] <adi_> ok many thanks cdm10
[11:31] <cdm10> Now I'll test the wikipedia page again...
[11:32] <Aishiko> anyone able to help me add a cups ppd to my system so I can use my printer?
[11:32] <cdm10> Nope, the nVidia driver is not the culprit. I'll remove all the font packages I installed and see if that solves everything.
[11:33] <stefg> annaimkonki: scanning and printing are completly different things. sanning is don with xsane, printing with cups
[11:35] <freezerburn> cdm10: ok did that.  I've got the windows sliding stuff but I can't get the cube to work
[11:36] <cdm10> freezerburn: In the general settings, set the horizontal size to 4
[11:37] <nzero> anyone know why gutsy can't remember your monitors after you tell it what they are and restart
[11:38] <Chri2>  I have a question..... I have compiz fusion installed porplery, but when I try to rotate the cube...it isn't a cube...it is just a flat rectangle...
[11:38] <Chri2> Please help..
[11:39] <cdm10> Chri2: That means your horizontal size is only 2.
[11:39] <cdm10> Chri2: I'm not sure how to set it to 4 without installing the advanced config editor, so run the command < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager >
[11:40] <cdm10> It's too bad fusion-icon isn't in the repos. I liked that functionality of Beryl.
[11:41] <riotkittie> yay. finally, i am experiencing weirdness :D
[11:41] <cdm10> That was weird...
[11:41] <riotkittie> what was?
[11:42] <cdm10> Your message..
[11:42] <Chri2> and then owhat?
[11:42] <riotkittie> oh. :D
[11:42] <Chri2> What is this command doing removing  everything?
[11:43] <cdm10> Chri2: aptitude finds stuff that's no longer needed and removes it. Other package managers don't, so Aptitude will sometimes find a lot of leftover dependencies.
[11:44] <Chri2> ...
[11:44] <Chri2> that just wiped out all of my settings
[11:44] <cdm10> Chri2: your compiz settings?
[11:44] <Chri2> ya
[11:44] <Chri2> i'll tell you my problem in more detail
[11:44] <Chri2> http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-set-up-Compiz-Fusion
[11:44] <Chri2> I used that guide
[11:44] <cdm10> Chri2: What settings? Before this is installed, there are no settings.
[11:44] <Chri2> an di installed compiz fusion
[11:44] <nzero> that guide is great
[11:44] <Chri2> and everything is fine...very smooth.. i fixed it up
[11:45] <Chri2> however, no matter what settings i change..
[11:45] <cdm10> Chri2: Are you on Gutsy?
[11:45] <Chri2> when i rotate the "cube" it doesn't look like a cunbe
[11:45] <Chri2> yep
[11:45] <Chri2> no
[11:45] <Chri2> sorry
[11:45] <Chri2> feisty
[11:45] <nzero> chri2
[11:45] <cdm10> Chri2: Well, no wonder my command screwed you up.
[11:45] <Chri2> lol
[11:45] <LiMaO> what's the best way to install firefox 32bit + java + flash on gutsy 64bit?
[11:45] <riotkittie> aw :( weirdness over.
[11:45] <cdm10> Chri2: This is a gutsy support channel, you should be in #ubuntu
[11:45] <Chri2> ohh
[11:45] <Chri2> they told me to come here
[11:45] <Chri2> when i asked this question
[11:45] <nzero> go to general configuration in fusion
[11:45] <Chri2> ok nero
[11:45] <nzero> chri2
[11:46] <cdm10> Chri2: That's because they thought you were using Gutsy...
[11:46] <Chri2> but i just wiped out all my settings
[11:46] <Chri2> one sec nero..
[11:46] <Chri2> how do i fix what i did, cdm?
[11:46] <Chri2> do i just have to reinstall from synaptic?
[11:46] <cdm10> Chri2: No, just reconfigure...
[11:46] <Chri2> ok, how?
[11:46] <cdm10> Chri2: and I'm not really sure what got messed up, so I can't help you.
[11:46] <Chri2> no like
[11:46] <nzero> go to desktop size and set your horizontal size to 4
[11:46] <Chri2> ok
[11:46] <Chri2> but 1 sec
[11:46] <Chri2> cdm...
[11:46] <nzero> use the up arrows instead of the slider
[11:46] <Chri2> in compiz settings
[11:46] <Chri2> it shows no settings..
[11:46] <Chri2> no boxes...nothing
[11:47] <nzero> click general options
[11:47] <Chri2> they are all wiped out now
[11:47] <Chri2> there are no general options
[11:47] <nzero> there is nothing?
[11:47] <Chri2> because
[11:47] <Chri2> cdm gave me  command to run
[11:47] <Chri2> and it removed a bunch of things?
[11:47] <cdm10> Chri2: Well, I assumed you were on Gutsy because this is the Gutsy channel. Find the guide you used to install Compiz Fusion on Feisty and re-follow it.
[11:47] <Chri2> ok..
[11:47] <Chri2> so can i just reinstall fusion?
[11:47] <Chri2> ok
[11:48] <Chri2> brb
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> lol, what a maroon
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10: how dare you give answers like he's using gutsy, in gutsy support..lol
[11:49] <cdm10> :)
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> he prolly came here, cuz its slowre than #ubuntu
[11:50] <cdm10> IndyGunFreak: No, they told him to come here... because he said he was using Fusion.
[11:50] <gutsy> hello, i've installed Gutsy Gibbon and i want to desactivate compiz in shell (in the recovery mode). how can i do it?
[11:50] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10: oh ok.
[11:50] <Ng> are the nvidia-glx-new drivers usable atm?
[11:51] <cdm10> Ng: Working for me, although I last updated 2 days ago.
[11:51] <Ng> cdm10: ok, ta. unfortunately the person asking me about it has already installed the official nvidia drivers first, so I have no idea what they've done to their system :/
[11:52] <gutsy> plase, how can i desactivate compiz in recovery mode?
[11:52] <cdm10> Ng: Damn, I HAT
[11:52] <cdm10> shoot
[11:52] <cdm10> I HATE when people do taht.
[11:52] <cdm10> !repeat | gutsy
[11:52] <ubotu> gutsy: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:52] <gutsy> ok, sorry, thanks ubotu
[11:52] <cdm10> gutsy: Why, is compiz making your system unusable?
[11:53] <gutsy> because i have a extrange video card
[11:53] <Ng> gutsy: the easiest way to do it would be to log in as normal, then drop to a console (ctrl-alt-F1), log in and run "metacity --replace". Ctrl-Alt-F7 will take you back to the graphical interface and you can use System->Preferences->Appearance to disable visual effects
[11:53] <_dan_> gutsy u can do a mv /usr/bin/compiz to /usr/bin/compizBAKCUP so compiz wont get executed on startup
[11:53] <gutsy> thanks Ng, but when i log normal, the screen becomes white
[11:53] <_dan_> in case compiz startup breakes your x for some reason
[11:53] <Ng> gutsy: that's fine, you can do the ctrl-alt-f1 at that point
[11:54] <gutsy> thanks _dan_, i'm goingo to try it now
[11:54] <Ng> gutsy: running metacity will stop compiz
[11:54] <Ng> gutsy: please try mine before _dan_'s
[11:54] <cdm10> gutsy: Don't do _dan_'s
[11:54] <Ng> it is way less invasive
[11:54] <gutsy> ok, one second, i'm in recovery mode :P
[11:54] <cdm10> gutsy: or at least do it as a last resort
[11:54] <_dan_> yeah pls dont do mine, mine is evil :P
[11:55] <cabajgtr> Can the new resolution manager switch between mirror and xinerama modes?
[11:55] <cabajgtr> I can't find a switch
[11:55] <gutsy> in tty2: metacity --replace (Unable to open X display)
[11:55] <_dan_> what a surprise...
[11:56] <_dan_> but i thought i shouldnt spoil the fun :P
[11:56] <Ng> gutsy: oh, sorry, I missed a step... export DISPLAY=:0.0
[11:56] <Ng> then metacity --replace
[11:56] <Ng> my bad
[11:56] <gutsy> o, ok, i don't know this comand, thanks
[11:57] <gutsy> yes, it runs!!
[11:57] <gutsy> thanks
[11:57] <Ng> :)
[11:57] <_dan_> guardian are u using latest nvidia driver?
[11:57] <_dan_> i ad a similar bug with old ones
[11:57] <gutsy> realy thanks Ng and thanks to you _dan_
[11:58] <_dan_> gutsy did u try the nvidia-glx-new package?
[11:59] <gutsy> no, i've ATI
[11:59] <gutsy> it seems i've make a mistake....
[11:59] <gutsy> o my god, i'm crazy
[11:59] <robinson> wassup
[12:00] <_dan_> gutsy ah sry
[12:00] <gutsy> i've installed Feisty, not Gutsy, but i say to mi old Feisty that every time y boot, it activate compiz...
[12:00] <robinson> having a problem with the mixer in Kubuntu Gutsy on my laptop, anybody game?
[12:00] <gutsy> i did a mistake in donwload page
[12:00] <gutsy> sorry :s
[12:00] <robinson> the mixer channel does not work, but the PCM does..
[12:00] <_dan_> gutsy do to preferences -> desktop effects   u can disable them there
[12:00] <Chri2> ok.. so i fixed the cube thing...
[12:00] <robinson> While this is not too big a problem, i need my laptop volume buttons to adjust the PCM channel, since the master doesnt work
[12:01] <Chri2> here's another question... how can I make compiz never go under 60 fps?
[12:01] <gutsy> ok, really thanks to you :)
[12:01] <Chri2> I have a geforce 7800 gs... it should be flawless
[12:01] <Chri2> any tips?
[12:01] <Chri2> also...i'm not sure why my nvidia-settings anti-aliasing settings don't affect compiz fusion..
[12:01] <slackern> robinson: i had a similar issue like you do, but with a regular desktop machine, i was in Gnome though and i had to go to sound options and set which device the volume up/down would adjust
[12:01] <_dan_> Chri2 u can set refresh rate in options
[12:02] <Chri2> yeah
[12:02] <Chri2> i set it to the highest
[12:02] <_dan_> dont
[12:02] <Chri2> don't what?
[12:02] <_dan_> set it to your refresh rate of monitor and enable sync to vblank
[12:02] <gutsy> thanks, bye! :)
[12:02] <_dan_> dont set to highest
[12:02] <robinson> slackern: i am using KDE. but the issue is not the desktop environment, best i can tell. I get the same results running alsamixer in the terminal
[12:02] <Chri2> ok
[12:02] <Chri2> but how can i tell my rf resh rat
[12:02] <Chri2> ei have an lcd..
[12:02] <robinson> moving the master sider does not effect the volume at all
[12:02] <Chri2> i thought thye don't use refresh rates
[12:03] <_dan_> nvidia settings will tell you if u got nvidia
[12:03] <_dan_> normally its 60 70 or 75
[12:03] <Chri2> ahh
[12:03] <Chri2> ok cool
[12:03] <Chri2> it's on auto
[12:03] <Chri2> so i should change it..
[12:03] <slackern> robinson: ahh maybe it's not the same issue then
[12:03] <Chri2> but... how can i make anti aliasing work?
[12:03] <_dan_> in the monitor section
[12:03] <Chri2> like when i rotate, the cube i want it to look perfect..
[12:03] <_dan_> nvidia settings tells uz
[12:03] <Blackgoth> hmm i have a problem with rhytembox :/
[12:03] <Chri2> ya
[12:03] <_dan_> mine says 60.02 :P
[12:03] <Chri2> but how can i make anti aliasing work? it doesn't seem to affect naything
[12:04] <robinson> ubuntu seems kinda slow to uodate alsa.. i think it is an alsa issue, though
[12:04] <Chri2> any ideas anyone??
[12:05] <Chri2> any idea how to get anti aliasing to work for compiz?? i have it set to the highest, but it doesn't make it look better
[12:05] <_dan_> do u see aliasing effects?
[12:07] <Chri2> what do you mean?
[12:07] <Chri2> in nvidia-settings, i know wher eit is
[12:07] <Chri2> i have them set to the highest...but it doens't make copmiz fusion look better
[12:07] <Chri2> in beryl it made it look better by wonders
[12:07] <_dan_> define better
[12:08] <Chri2> like..
[12:08] <Chri2> when you move a window
[12:08] <cdm10> Is there any way to add --indirect to the compiz command line when it starts when I log in, without adding compiz --replace --indirect to my startup?
[12:08] <Chri2> you don't se the edges all not line up
[12:09] <Chri2> and when you rotate the cube it looks like perfect straight lines... not all jaggy
[12:09] <Assid> hrmm
[12:09] <Chri2> it eliminates jaggies
[12:09] <cdm10> Beryl used to let you set that as a permanent setting, but now you seem to have to relaunch compiz with that option.
[12:09] <Assid> i can never get cairo clock and compiz together
[12:10] <cdm10> Isn't that the whole point of cairo clock?
[12:10] <_dan_> Chri2 when u move a window and it looks bad, enable sync to vblank    worked wonders for me
[12:10] <_dan_> for the cube move, looks bad here too
[12:11] <Assid> cdm10: ?
[12:11] <Assid> oh yeah
[12:11] <cdm10> I haven't tried it.
[12:11] <Assid> i got something very odd.. it looked like a tv screen gone bad
[12:11] <Assid> black and white lines .. horizontally across
[12:11] <Assid> i had to restart x to clear it.. anyone know whats up?
[12:11] <Chri2> ya, it helped me a lot too
[12:11] <Chri2> thanks
[12:12] <Chri2> brb!
[12:16] <goat|work> hello, so can someone explain this to me.  when i installed breezy/dapper some long time ago, i remember ubuntu saying they would have an LTS release every 3rd release.   Do I remember that incorrectly or has Gutsy ever been considered for LTS?
[12:16] <cdm10> goat|work: Hardy (next release) will be LTS.
[12:16] <goat|work> yeah
[12:17] <savvas> and the next one will be itchy iguana
[12:17] <savvas> :P
[12:17] <amicitas> I am having some problems with my resolution and refresh.  I would like to report this as a bug, but I am not sure whether to report is as a displayconfig-gtk bug, or an xorg bug.  There are two problems that I am having.  The first one is that in the the correct refresh rates are not showing up in displayconfig-gtk or in gnome-display-manager.  For the 1600x1200 resolution the available refresh rates show up as 50, 51, 52, 53Hz or 
[12:20] <savvas> amicitas: and I bet $50 that you use nvidia graphics card
[12:20] <amicitas> yup
[12:21] <savvas> the bug is due to their restricted genious, dynamictwinview must be disabled in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:21] <savvas> unfortunately it's been bugging me for 3 releases so far :p
[12:22] <savvas> amicitas: open a terminal and type this: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <amicitas> savvas: So can I take it that this is a known bug and I shouldn't bother trying to report it?
[12:22] <nzero> hey, where do i configure file associations
[12:22] <savvas> amicitas: well.. you could complain at nvidia :)
[12:22] <wabiD> is there a way to give my virtual desktops 2 different backgrounds
[12:23] <amicitas> savvas: I have the xorg.conf file open, what next?
[12:23] <wabiD> and sets of desktop icons
[12:23] <savvas> amicitas: scroll down to the section "Device"
[12:23] <LiMaO> could anyone do me a favor? i need to know if a site is having problems with the java applet or if it's just me. https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/login.jsp?aapf.IDH=sim  --> does the java applet load and show some numbers??
[12:23] <savvas> amicitas: do you see a line there with: option "nologo" "true" ?
[12:24] <amicitas> savvas: yes I added that line.
[12:24] <nzero> hey, where do i configure file associations
[12:24] <savvas> ah great
[12:24] <savvas> amicitas: add this line afterwards: Option         "DynamicTwinView" "False"
[12:25] <ppj> man i cant wait until this is totally stable
[12:25] <savvas> amicitas: save it and restart your desktop manager, if it's ubuntu (gnome): sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:25] <LiMaO> no one will answer me? =/
[12:25] <Chri2> back again.. I';m having a problem
[12:25] <Chri2> in nvidia-settings...it says the refresh rate is auto...
[12:25] <Chri2> I need it to stay at 75 hz
[12:25] <snoip> I've run Ubuntu for quite a while, switched from Mandriva after video problems...  video problems returned after jumping to Gutsy...  HELP!
[12:26] <amicitas> savvas: Ok I will give it a shot. Thanks for the help.
[12:26] <savvas> LiMaO: I'd help you if java had a 64-bit plugin :)
[12:26] <ppj> i'd help you if i had a browser
[12:27] <savvas> what's the matter ppj ?
[12:27] <Chri2> so everytime i restart ubuntu it goes back to auto...how can i fix this????
[12:27] <LiMaO> savvas, that's exactly the problem i'm having. i'm trying 32bit firefox + java, on my 64bit gutsy
[12:27] <savvas> cat ate it? :P
[12:27] <Chri2> anyone!?!?!
[12:27] <ppj> savvas: oh nothing, just init 3 right now editing some configs
[12:27] <rexy> Chri2: auto what?
[12:28] <Chri2> ok.. in nvidia-settings....it says the refresh rate is at "auto"
[12:28] <_dan_> Chri2 go to the monitor tab
[12:28] <Chri2> i need to make it stay at 75 hz.. my monitor
[12:28] <Chri2> ok
[12:28] <_dan_> and see what your actually refresh rate is
[12:28] <Chri2> in the monitor  tab it doesn't show anything of what i need
[12:28] <Chri2> no
[12:29] <Chri2> it's not correct in there
[12:29] <Chri2> it's correcet in "nvidia-settings"
[12:29] <_dan_> it does for me
[12:29] <Chri2> and it is displayed at 1440x900...but in the monitor properties (of ubuntu) it doesnt;' even show my resoltuion
[12:29] <_dan_> monitor section in nvidia-settings
[12:29] <Chri2> oh ok
[12:29] <Chri2> yeah i'm there
[12:29] <Chri2> it says 1440x900   and auto
[12:29] <_dan_> the ubunu resolution setting is totally unusable (for me) do it only with vnidia-settings
[12:29] <_dan_> no not there
[12:29] <Chri2> ok
[12:30] <_dan_> u are lookin in the x server display blablubb
[12:30] <_dan_> go down to dfp-p samsung synmaster (for me) section
[12:30] <Chri2> yes
[12:30] <Chri2> i am lookign there
[12:30] <_dan_> there u will see your actualy refresh rate
[12:30] <neh> are there daily cd builds of gutsy anywhere?
[12:30] <Chri2> 1 sec] 
[12:30] <Chri2> i don't see that?/
[12:31] <_dan_> shall i make u a screenshot?
[12:31] <Chri2> i am on the tab X Server Display Configuration
[12:31] <Chri2> sure
[12:31] <Chri2> brb
[12:31] <savvas> LiMaO: I wonder if the 64-bit firefox could take a 32-bit plugin :\
[12:31] <Chri2> i will brb in 2 secs
[12:32] <LiMaO> savvas, it cant. i used Kilz's script, which installs 32bit firefox + flash + java
[12:33] <LiMaO> although java is now supported natively
[12:33] <Chri2> it syas the refresh rate no where...accpet in the X server tab
[12:33] <Chri2> wher eit says 1440x 900 and the refresh rate as (Auto)
[12:34] <_dan_> Chri2 http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotlp5.png
[12:34] <_dan_> there u will find your refresh rate
[12:34] <Chri2> ahh
[12:34] <Chri2> i don't have that screen
[12:34] <Chri2> on mine
[12:34] <Chri2> i mean..
[12:34] <Chri2> that tab
[12:34] <ppj> locate kde.desktop
[12:34] <ppj> er
[12:35] <_dan_> try to update to nvidia-glx-new? but i dont know if that setting thingie is in that package
[12:35] <Chri2> maybe one of us has older driveres?
[12:35] <Chri2> i have it
[12:35] <Chri2> i have nvidia-glx-new
[12:35] <_dan_> Chri2 u can always set metamode by hand like i did
[12:35] <Chri2> ya
[12:35] <Chri2> so, how do I do it? in xorg.conf?
[12:35] <_dan_>  Option         "metamodes" "DFP-0: 1280x1024_60"
[12:35] <_dan_>    is it for me
[12:35] <LiMaO> _dan_, what are you using to display download/upload rates on the panel?
[12:36] <_dan_> netspeed-applet
[12:36] <_dan_> or netspeed
[12:36] <LiMaO> is it default? or have to be downloaded?
[12:36] <_dan_> apt-cache search for netspeed
[12:36] <_dan_> its not in default installation
[12:36] <LiMaO> hmm great, will get it, thank you
[12:36] <Chri2> ??
[12:36] <Chri2> i don't know what you are saying
[12:37] <Chri2> hey under Section "Screen"
[12:37] <snoip> anyone had this?... My 'terminal' is only giving a white rectangle, no menu, no borders, NO TEXT!  But still reacts to keystrokes... "exit" closes it... like white text on white bckgrnd...
[12:37] <Chri2> in xorg.conf...
[12:37] <Chri2> can i change the resolutions to
[12:37] <Chri2> "1440x900_75.00"
[12:37] <Chri2> ?
[12:37] <Chri2> with the 75 addition o nthe end?
[12:37] <ppj> i just installed the kde4base-dev and can't find the kde4.desktop
[12:37] <ppj> hm
[12:38] <panosru> hi, why i don't have sound on flash movies? :(
[12:38] <_dan_> nvidia-settings can generate a meta mode line for u to under advanced settings
[12:38] <Viper550> panosru: It uses ALSA
[12:38] <Chri2> ok..
[12:38] <panosru> Viper550 and... ?
[12:39] <Viper550> just thought you'd like to know
[12:39] <LiMaO> yay, now i can see the used bandwidth from within any application =D
[12:39] <Chri2> you'te cpnfsing me too much
[12:39] <Chri2> sorry
[12:40] <savvas> does nspluginwrapper work with 32-bit java?
[12:41] <seag33k> I just did a clean install using the beta version and now my wireless won't work on my IBM T61 using the intel 4965 card.  Anyone know how to fix this?
[12:43] <savvas> hm.. maybe this "gcjwebplugin" package does the trick for web java stuff
[12:43] <LiMaO> it doesn't
[12:43] <LiMaO> it'll crash on most sites
[12:43] <LiMaO> and it doesn't have a security manager
[12:44] <savvas> thanks for the warning :P
[12:44] <LiMaO> the only way to have java fully working on a 64bit sys is to install 32bit firefox
[12:44] <LiMaO> and preferably using Kilz's script
[12:44] <savvas> nspluginwrapper with the 32-bit version?
[12:45] <LiMaO> i think it's how it works
[12:45] <snoip> has anyone seen a terminal session with white text on a white background?
[12:45] <ikonia> just change the colourws
[12:45] <LiMaO> it's working to load any other java site.. except for that one.. and that's exactly the only one i need.. my homebanking access
[12:46] <snoip> ikonia:  how?
[12:46] <ikonia> from the drop down menu on the terminal
[12:46] <LiMaO> snoip, Edit > Profiles
[12:46] <LiMaO> then choose the default profile, edit
[12:46] <snoip> terminal shows up as a white rectangle; no borders, no menus, just white...
[12:46] <LiMaO> check out the colors tab
[12:47] <ikonia> oh, thats different
[12:47] <ikonia> snoip: are you using nvidia drivers ?
[12:47] <snoip> very different.
[12:47] <snoip> yes, nvidia.
[12:48] <snoip> all was well in fiesty, this just started with gutsy.
[12:48] <ikonia> rats, I saw this in fesity ages ago. From memory its something to do with the frambuffer driver in nvidia
[12:48] <ikonia> let me search the bug report, there is a fix
[12:48] <LiMaO> i can't believe i'll have to install another OS on virtualbox just to check it out hehe
[12:48] <ikonia> not seen it in gusty
[12:49] <crosstalk> question: what is the app name of the printing dialog box used in Eog/Evolution?
[12:49] <snoip> ikonia:  no borders on any windows at all... related problem?  I saw it in mandriva w/ nvidia...
[12:49] <snoip> when compiz was installed, but not before.
[12:49] <ikonia> snoip: its an nvidia driver issue, not seen it in gusty but it was common in fesity
[12:49] <jason> is this considered the programmers channel
[12:50] <Vorbote> jason: no
[12:50] <Tm_T> nope
[12:50] <snoip> ikonia:  never saw it in fiesty, just now in gutsy!
[12:50] <snoip> any workarounds?
[12:50] <ikonia> as I said, there is a fix in the bug report
[12:50] <jason> could you guide me to which channel is the programmers channels
[12:50] <Konam> snoip what's your problem?
[12:50] <snoip> oh -- sorry...  i'll check it out...
[12:50] <ikonia> jason programmers for what ?
[12:51] <jason> ubuntu
[12:51] <ikonia> snoip: I'm looking for myself too
[12:51] <ikonia> jason ubuntu is a distro made up of applications, which applications
[12:51] <Vorbote> jason: #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu
[12:51] <jason> yes thanks
[12:51] <Konam> someone knows how I can customize the compiz effects? in Feisty we have a wizard to do so
[12:51] <snoip> Konam...  short version... Mandriva had video problems, never solved... so I wiped and installed fiesty...
[12:52] <snoip> No probs in fiesty, beryl and all.
[12:52] <Vorbote> But be warned. This is the support channel for the development version. Those channels are for actual planning and packaging help.
[12:52] <snoip> installed gutsy today, no borders, no text visible in terminal...
[12:52] <snoip> just a white rectangle...
[12:52] <snoip> but it reacts to keystrokes...
[12:52] <snoip> just cant see any output!
[12:54] <Konam> snoip don't know, i'm using gutsy right now with compiz enabled and everythings fine
[12:55] <snoip> the 'white on white' is new, but the 'no borders' is something old... nvidia vs linux...
[12:56] <_dan_> for thw white try nvidia-glx-new
[12:56] <crosstalk> what is the name of the app that provides the print dialog box in Eog/Evolution?
[12:56] <_dan_> for the border try gtk-window-decorator --replace and/or   Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[12:56] <crosstalk> Can print to my printer from any other app besides ones that use that particular dialog box
[12:56] <ikonia> there you go, well found dan
[12:57] <snoip> worth a shot...
[12:59] <snoip> ikonia - dan -- ummm... where do I do this?  Can't see any change (or output!)
[01:03] <savvas> I wonder if iced-tea would be a nice substitute for java
[01:05] <scottDkoDer> Is mepis deb based?
[01:07] <snoip> oops... i'm back... dan, ikonia... what were the commands again?
[01:07] <WorkingOnWise> ok, I have jumped off the cliff here and put Ubuntu 7.1 on my laptop. I am wayyyyy impressed! desktop effects required 4 clicks and a reboot! mp3 codecs took 2 clicks! Nice job! On to my problem. I went to look at my ntfs windows drive, and I'm told it needs to be checked, and to boot windows twice to do this. Um, Grub does not show Windows in the boot menu...whats the fastest way back into windows?
[01:10] <DeepB> scottDkoDer: yes
[01:11] <snadge> thats such a noobish question.. first of all you're going to receive the obligatory "if you dont know what you're doing, don't run the beta" .. second, maybe someone will point you to /boot/grub/menu.lst file and possibly the grub documentation
[01:12] <nunofgs> Can anyone get vmware server to work with gutsy? I've searched the forums but my problem hasn't been mentioned. It seems to compile vmmon just fine, and /dev/vmmon exists, but it gives an error when I try to start a virtual machine. The logfile says: "/dev/vmmon doesnt exist"
[01:15] <scottDkoDer> thx DeepB
[01:15] <mon^rch> program "AllTray" will not work when compiz is enabled. (works great with metacity)
[01:17] <savvas> mon^rch: your comment @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alltray/+bug/106583
[01:17] <Vorbote> nunofgs: you need get a copy of vmware-any-any-update version 113 or later (google for it).
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106583 in alltray "No windows hiding with compiz" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:18] <mon^rch> tx for the info...