[12:41] n8 === nitrocks [n=eric@c-67-163-172-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === inuksuk [n=inuksuk@CPE0016d306cd04-CM0011e6ee0a42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] So should we actually suggest users with ATI graphics to upgrade to Gutsy? [01:15] pkern: Not yet :) [01:16] ok i'm off to dinner, if pochu comes back arround the upload is done === imbrandon bbiab [01:16] persia: Not even after the release I am afraid, at least not on laptops. [01:22] persia: got the updated changelog deb diff for LP #149050. Would you be able to sponsor it? Should i subscribe to sponsors instead? [01:22] Launchpad bug 149050 in deluge-torrent "Deluge torrent client: Cannot set file priority, as it continually claims that Full Allocation is not set" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149050 [01:24] Joe_CoT: You'll always want to subscribe to sponsors when you have something ready, rather than looking for individuals. I'm not sure I'll be sponsoring anything else for gutsy, but if I do, and nobody else has already uploaded it, I may. [01:24] persia: ok, thanks, i'll subscribe it === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] pkern, why not? === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] superm1: Decide: Which one do you like most: suspend or 3d acceleration? [01:35] pkern, ah :) wasn't sure if suspending was the thing to accuse this time around :) [01:35] i'm on the beta team and suspending has been broken for some time for me, so i've just learned to not suspend, wasn't sure if it was still broke :) [01:36] I'm used to suspend ever since I used an iBook. === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] is vmware-server not coming for gutsy? [01:51] vmware-player and virtualbox lack kernel modules ... [01:51] There was a recent article on planet.u.c about the vbox modules. [01:52] u.c? [01:52] ubuntu.com [01:53] oh === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nitrocks [n=eric@c-67-163-172-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] ScottK: python-debian supports Version objects (and changelog objects) so that would be a no-brainer. ;) === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-e78b9997dee7b0c9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] ScottK: But maybe we should talk with pitti *first* to confirm if the format still holds. === pkern is off to bed. === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Thirsteh [n=thirsteh@linuxfordummies/Thirsteh] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@203-214-12-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hjmf [n=hjmf@22.Red-217-125-223.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-55-148.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === inuksuk [n=inuksuk@CPE0016d306cd04-CM0011e6ee0a42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=dizzle@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] so did I miss something? why have I got ~350 updates today? [03:34] slow mail server ? [03:34] imbrandon? [03:34] no idea, was a wild guess [03:35] it just seemed odd for an RC freeze [03:35] i only made one upload and it was a approved , sponsored upload [03:35] heh [03:36] I've gotta upload edubuntu-docs tonight [03:36] ;) [03:38] pfft. It's no fun if there aren't hourly multi-hundred MiB updates! [03:39] crimsun: hehe yea [03:39] crimsun: hello [03:40] hi [03:44] crimsun: how's Washington? [03:45] it's capitol-y. === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] nice word :) [03:53] I spent a week staying out by Arlington for an American Chemical Society meeting [03:53] it was fairly nice === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has left #ubuntu-motu ["EXIT_SUCCESS"] === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === altf2o [n=altf2o@168-103-231-78.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === mdomsch [n=mdomsch@72-254-129-147.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] whoa, crimsun! [04:53] (where?!) [04:54] ^--- there :-) [04:55] OK I'm working with the Debian games team now and I'm still not convinced that svn doesn't SUCK for package management :-) [04:56] s/svr/RCS/g [04:57] svn* damn [04:57] I knew what you meant :-) [04:57] hehe [04:57] rcs? [04:58] revision control systems, svn,cvs,bzr [04:58] ah === Fujitsu ponders going on a wontfixing spree through universe at some point. [04:59] great for code, sucks for package management, imho, package mnagement seems to be much more a "one man job" [04:59] Heh, go for it [04:59] Fujitsu: Just mark them all won't fix after Gutsy releases ;-P === imbrandon ponders fixing some last minute universe bugs [05:00] We'll just start fresh after every release from now on.. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu curses the Baltix default. [05:03] imbrandon: get to it : ) [05:03] Fujitsu: sounds good. [05:03] heya Hobbsee [05:03] hiya! [05:04] Hi Hobbsee [05:04] hi bddebian [05:07] anyone wants (or is) subscribed to [05:07] secure-testing-commits@lists.alioth.debian.org [05:07] or at least checking [05:07] secure-testing-announce@lists.alioth.debian.org [05:07] white: Aha, I'll subscribe. [05:07] More spam.. :) [05:08] Fujitsu: is the universe security team active? [05:08] it would be nice to get cooperation done :) === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] Is there a universe security team? [05:09] i could do some randon checking now :) [05:09] !info util-linux gutsy [05:09] util-linux: Miscellaneous system utilities. In component main, is required. Version 2.13-8ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 426 kB, installed size 1364 kB [05:09] bddebian: motu-swat, iirc [05:11] or easier, someone could check, if the security fixes from http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/dtsa-candidates are included in gutsy [05:12] white: You probably want to talk to pitti or keescook [05:13] Amaranth: apparently they are doing main [05:13] Amaranth: i was offering something for univers [05:13] e [05:13] white: util-linux is in main [05:15] the version 2.13-8ubuntu1 looks fixed to me [05:15] security-tracker.debian.net is so awesome [05:16] Amaranth: and i am bringing it up, because i forget to theck here and it would be nice to get an ubuntu person to do it [05:16] LaserJock: indeed :) [05:16] saved me loads of time doing the moodle MIR [05:16] moodle? isn't that an edubuntu thing? [05:16] oh right, you're an edubuntu guy :P === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] Amaranth: pfft [05:19] hmm, still need to get that interview up :/ === Hobbsee hides === LaserJock puts on his doom-proof pants and pokes Hobbsee === Hobbsee pokes LaserJock back, with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [05:28] Hobbsee: Do you have a shortcut for that phrase? === ScottK moves to the other side of the room from tonyyarusso. [05:33] tonyyarusso: Did you see my comments on the kompozer backport request? === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-55-148.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] ScottK: I saw one, to the effect of "sounds like a good idea - test?" [05:34] That one. [05:34] Please test. [05:34] well, um, it's installed on my feisty system right now, does that count? [05:34] Yes. it does. [05:35] Just say in the bug that you've built and installed it on Feisty and it works. [05:35] Okay. It builds both in a local pbuilder and on LP PPA. [05:36] I need it in the bug. [05:37] done === ScottK looks. [05:38] tonyyarusso: Acked to the archive. They usually do backports about once a week. [05:39] ScottK: neat. Any thoughts on whether we should try for Edgy/Dapper as well? [05:40] Hobbsee: Would you please ack Bug #148548. We updated gnucash, we really ought to do the docs too. [05:40] Launchpad bug 148548 in gnucash-docs "Gnucash-docs is 2.0.1 while it should be 2.2.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148548 [05:40] tonyyarusso: Can you test on Edgy/Dapper? [05:49] ScottK: If I take the time to read some pbuilder docs, yeah. There's already a PPA build for Edgy as well. [05:50] tonyyarusso: It's not just building. I need you to say it installs and runs. [05:51] ScottK: I can test that for Dapper for sure; not sure where I'll find an Edgy installation. [05:51] I'm sure if I ping enough people I could. [05:52] vmware/virtualbox? [05:52] no experience in that department.. [05:52] Live CD could work I suppose [05:54] or "pbuilder-edgy login' then install and test it [05:54] ;) [05:54] what now? [05:55] as in ? [05:56] pbuilder-edgy login would just let you log into the command line system of the base.tgz, I take it? [05:56] How would I test a graphical app in that environment? [05:57] LiveCD would do it. Dunno about the rest. === nenolod [n=nenolod@atheme/developer/nenolod] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] tonyyarusso: install it and launch it? [05:59] LaserJock: would it use my feisty's X? [05:59] probably [05:59] I suppose [05:59] X is X. it doesn't really change ABI very often [05:59] (Xlib, that is) === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] you might need to allow X connections from localhost, like 'xhost +` prior to pbuilder login [06:01] tonyyarusso: ^ but other than that should work fine [06:01] interesting [06:01] imbrandon: xhost + is a big more than localhost if the system is not properly configured though ;-) [06:02] oh, use X inside a pbuilder? [06:02] yea if you dont setup your router correctly it can be a security bug, man xhost for more indepth info [06:02] he just needs to do xhost +localhost [06:02] it'll work provided that your debian/rules sets DISPLAY=:0 [06:02] nenolod: right, I was gonna say xhost +localhost is more cautious [06:02] (probably in configuration phase, right?) [06:03] shouldent matter, should default to 0 [06:03] err :0 [06:04] e.g. the following should work fine , `xhost +localhost` `pbuilder-edgy login` `apt-get install amarok` `amarok` [06:04] no [06:04] DISPLAY must be set, otherwise Xlib will not connect to the X server [06:04] there is no defaults in Xlib [06:05] (and thus any toolkits ontop of Xlib, e.g. Qt) [06:05] e.g. the following should work fine , `xhost +localhost` `pbuilder-edgy login` `apt-get install amarok` `export DISPLAY=:0` `amarok` [06:05] :) [06:05] :) [06:05] no source changes [06:05] well, I used to use a chroot and bindmount ~/ and it's work fine for that kind of thing [06:05] *it'd [06:05] LaserJock: esentialy the same thing [06:06] pbuilder is just a self cleaning [sic] chroot [06:06] right, but I believe that getting ~/ and hence .Xauthority into the chroot was the key thig [06:07] ahh [06:08] imbrandon: for X /tmp needs bindmounting too; that's where the sockets usually are [06:14] nah there should be a tmp in the chroot, you dont want to nessesarly give it access [06:19] just do xhost +localhost and export DISPLAY=:0 [06:19] ;p === thoreauputic [i=1000@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.206.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] tonyyarusso: perhaps. [06:30] ScottK: please do it. [06:31] Hobbsee: OK. [06:31] tonyyarusso: there are ways to test grapical bits in a chroot. [06:31] Hobbsee: I already test built it, so I'll turn it into a sync request. [06:31] ah, you found it [06:31] ScottK: great [06:32] ScottK: will leave you to handle it then === LaserJock crosses his fingers and toes === IanC26 [n=IanC26@203-214-12-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] crap [06:42] not here please :-) === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] Hobbsee: Done. [06:44] jdong: You still around. [06:44] ScottK: half-awake, but yeah [06:45] jdong: What happened to all the backports testing people? === Hobbsee ate them [06:45] jdong: I think you need to rustle up some more ... [06:45] ScottK: I'm not sure myself, seems like a lot of them are mysteriously idle [06:45] Hobbsee: Yummy? [06:45] indeed! [06:45] ScottK: I'll send out an e-mail to the backports testing folk and see if I can whip em back [06:45] jdong: Then Hobbsee's explaination fits... [06:46] ScottK: lol they're nutritious :) [06:46] Or however you spell that word. [06:46] explanation [06:46] jdong: Remember: Sleep is for the weak. [06:46] Yeah, that. [06:46] lol, but I am weak :) === LaserJock thinks about strangling the person who decided that "using your computer in your own language" was important ;-) [06:48] LaserJock: I'm not sure, but that may be a CoC violation, so don't do it on IRC. [06:48] hehe === Hobbsee wonders why this music has stopped working. [06:53] wahoo, it works [06:53] now all those non-English speaking people can read the docs [06:55] heh [06:55] I've spent the last 3 hrs working on the translations for edubuntu-docs [06:56] had to build several scripts [06:56] and rewrite debian/rules === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] Gnight gang [07:20] \o/, uploaded [07:20] hopefully that's my last upload for gutsy [07:20] aww [07:21] now hopefully slangasek or pitti lets it threw [07:21] hmm, *through [07:21] LaserJock: we have more than 2 people in the release team, fortunately :P [07:22] I thought one of those two had to approve an RC freeze exception === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=1000@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-09c4fddb9165e1d9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] shesh, the gutsy branch of doc team svn repo is ~550MB [08:12] LaserJock: That's nothing. I remember some guy talking about doing a checking of the Debian LaTex tree and it being huge. [08:13] umm, that was me [08:13] and it was 20GB [08:13] oof [08:13] I know. I just thought it was kind of funny that way. [08:13] heh, right [08:14] but we're supposed to move the doc team repo to bzr [08:14] which makes 500MB a bit more troublesome to me [08:15] But bzr is wonderful. Everyone here says so. [08:15] heh, I haven't really gotten that impression exactly [08:15] it's great for local stuff [08:15] but the remote stuff is still so slow [08:17] but the doc team repo is the last Canonical svn repo [08:17] so the sysadmins don't want to maintain it anymore [08:22] Well good luck. I'm off to bed. [08:22] cya ScottK === mumbly [n=mumbly@s2ii.homeunix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-188-163.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h14n5c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@41.233.81.111] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] imbrandon: packages don't have to be acked by the release team before being uploaded, if they're uploads to main and they don't fit the freeze rules they can just be rejected :) [09:41] Hello, if I am making a package for a work that is under LPPL license, the complete text for this license is not in /usr/share/common-licenses/, should I then include the complete text in the debian/copyright file ? or is it enough to have something like this statement: http://pastebin.com/m16fc5080 ? === Fujitsu wonders if he can safely hijack a UVFe that was approved a month ago but never fulfilled. [09:44] AnAnt: The complete text of the license should be in debian/copyright. The URL may not be available to a user (perhaps they are offline) when they check. [09:44] ok === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] persia: how about installing it in /usr/share/common-licenses/ ?! [09:46] AnAnt: Is it a particularly common license? [09:47] Fujitsu: for those using LaTeX, I think so [09:47] AnAnt: That directory is reserved for common licenses, for which large numbers of programs are using. As an example of the threshold, the ISC license is not included, and we've heaps of ISC code. Similarly, none of the CC licenses, although that is fairly prevalent. [09:48] k [09:49] AnAnt: If you think it's common enough, feel free to post a bug against base-files to include it: be sure to list all the packages that use it in the bug, to demonstrate that it would save significant space on a user's system. [09:50] ok, how can I indent several lines with 4 spaces in vim ?! === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] nevermind about the last question [09:56] thanks === AnAnt [n=anant@41.233.81.111] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === fraco [n=fraco@212.71.9.100.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] Hobbsee: Are you still around? [10:04] Fujitsu: fsvo around, what's up? [10:05] Hobbsee: Just wondering if I'm going to be killed for uploading a new upstream version, the UVFe for which was filed by somebody else, and approved a month ago. [10:06] Fujitsu: unlikely [10:06] although why wasnt it uploaded then? [10:06] that's a good question, actually [10:06] Hobbsee: REVU was down, and the reporter isn't a MOTU. [10:07] So it got lost. [10:07] ah yes [10:07] no idea if archive admins will get time to review it === Lure [n=lure@89.212.183.108] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] Are they meant to be reviewing things at this point? [10:07] I thought they were just giving them a glance and letting them through. === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] Fujitsu: for new packages? dream on. === ant30_ [n=ant30@85.137.233.203.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] Hobbsee: `a new upstream version' === davromaniak [n=cyril@ubuntu/member/davromaniak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davro-desktop [n=davro@ubuntu/member/davromaniak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] slangasek, yay for auto-rejections :P [10:27] Fujitsu, a new upstream version won't be approved until gutsy ISOs are built. if you're shooting for gutsy +1 and your package is OK, then it will probably pass through reviewers at that time [10:27] but... uploads targeted at gutsy itself will likely be auto-rejected :P [10:28] auto-rejected? I don't think that's the case for packages not destined for ISO inclusion (or, really, anything in universe). === norsetto [n=Cesare@host230-55-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] well ISO building also includes gutsy archive finalization too [10:29] and even the topic says universe is frozen for upstream versions and new packages [10:29] ;p [10:30] nenolod: Erm, what? ISOs have very little to do with anything, it has already been approved, and I'm a MOTU so it doesn't need review. === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:31] Fujitsu, well ok :P [10:32] nenolod: That seems to contradict https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-October/002411.html. Are you sure? Why? [10:32] persia, i'm going by what is implied by the text in the topic [10:32] nenolod: Right, UVF and NPF in effect. I have an exception, although it is old. [10:33] nenolod: Ah. Yes. New upstreams are frozen. There is a freeze exception process, and so some (very few) things can be approved. [10:33] persia, yes i understand that. [10:33] Fujitsu, yes. i understood that point. hince the "well, ok" [10:35] two week folks, then we can upload whatever we want! [10:35] sladen: Two weeks + UDS + toolchain settling. [10:36] i do hope that gutsy will ship with audacious-plugins that are not built with SSE2 [10:36] nenolod: Why? [10:36] cause some of us don't have sse2 [10:36] Fujitsu, because not everyone has SSE2 ;) [10:36] nenolod: If it doesn't detect at runtime, that's a bug (and should be reported). [10:37] it has been reported [10:37] upstream anyway [10:37] I don't see the bug in Ubuntu.. [10:37] yeah, i'll check [10:38] ah. it's debbugs [10:38] nenolod: It's a good idea to get the bug in both places, if it's verified an issue in Ubuntu: upstream may have a different threshhold ("I cannot imagine why anyone would want to not use optimisation" is something I recently saw on a different upstream mailing list). [10:39] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423833 [10:39] Debian bug 423833 in audacious "audacious: Crash (illegal instruction) when playing MP3 file" [Normal,Fixed] [10:39] of ypi want, o [10:39] lets try that again [10:39] if you want, i'll clone it in LP [10:40] nenolod: If you could file a bug in LP, and add a Debian task linked to that bug, it'd be nice. [10:41] (it's fixed in debian) [10:41] ah. [10:41] gutsy has it already [10:42] nenolod: Yeah, we have that version. [10:44] great :P [10:44] because some people have flamed over that already [10:44] Heh. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-184-134.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] i need to report a bug in NetworkManager, but I think I will wait until morning for that === jpatrick [n=patrick@40.Red-88-24-238.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] i'm not awake enough to think right now ;) [10:47] i'm also not yet convinced that it is not a bug in madwifi too ;) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=rob@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d51A50113.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamego [n=Future@89.152.209.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === elmargol [n=elmargol@82.48.61.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xirtam [n=kms@59.92.85.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xirtam [n=kms@59.92.85.125] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:51] LongPointyStick: Thanks. ;) === lamego [n=Future@89.152.209.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-17-2.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamego [n=Future@89.152.209.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-60.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5FBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-222-139.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsomers [n=jsomers@d51A50113.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [n=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nicolai [n=nicolai@p54AD7A0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@103.Red-88-25-198.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose2 [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD7C57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@249-130.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asdasdas [n=nicolai@p54AD63CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sadasdsadasda [n=nicolai@p54AD779E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asdasdsad565 [n=nicolai@p54AD54E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] Haha@everybody loves the Debian cabal. === asdsadasd [n=nicolai@p54AD6278.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DEVIUS [n=david@88.210.212.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] hi all [01:18] Hello All ;) === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kabyl [n=XSource@41.201.236.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] I'm about to take www.ubuntu-ge.org domain and make it Ubuntu official support for georgian users [01:21] + setup Ubuntu LOCO team. [01:23] DEVIUS, let's try on #ubuntu-locoteams [01:24] maybe someone is alive :) === effraie [n=effraie@ubuntu/member/effraie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effraie [n=effraie@ubuntu/member/effraie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] Would anyone with a i386 and working GL be willing to test something for me? === nicolai [n=nicolai@p54AD5F3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] persia: Sure. === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] Fujitsu: Thanks. launch torcs, make sure your audio backend is set to openal, get around the first curve of the default course, and hit something (another car, the wall, etc.). [01:35] It crashes on AMD64 due to differences in MMX compilation from gcc3.x to gcc4.x, and upstream's fix is really intrusive: I'm just not sure whether to disable the offending file for only AMD64 or for everything. [01:35] Yay, torcs! [01:35] Wow, torcs is fairly big. === Fujitsu downloadsd. [01:35] ... but MMX is just register fildding, how would amd64 kill it? === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.249.128] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK works on a present for Ubuntu virtualbox users. [01:36] StevenK: What would that be? [01:36] StevenK: From what I can tell, there's a difference in the way that SIMD detection works with gcc 4.0 and optimisation, such that you need to have different #ifdef statements for newer compilers. [01:36] % head -n 1 debian/control [01:36] Source: virtualbox-ose-modules [01:36] Fujitsu: ^ [01:37] StevenK: Aha. [01:37] persia: But SIMD isn't MMX. [01:37] StevenK: Huh? MMX is one of many SIMD APIs. Lead me... [01:38] persia: MMX came first - SSE came after. [01:38] StevenK: Yes. [01:38] persia: I don't know much more than that, though. :-) [01:40] StevenK: Ah. From what I can tell looking at upstream CVS and the intel docs on MMX, MMX can be SISD or SIMD, but is usually SIMD, using packed registers (4 16-bits in a 64-bit). It seems that newer gccs use a different set of controls to decide how to optimise. If the code is written to the old MMX target, and doesn't have good runtime detection, it may get incorrectly optimised. [01:40] persia: I've gone a fair way around the track, and managed to run into a lot of walls (I'm *so* great at such games), no crashing. [01:41] Fujitsu: And this is with the openal audio backend, and with working sound? [01:41] Yep. === slackwarelife [n=slackwar@79.16.163.97] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK chuckles at Fujitsu [01:42] Fujitsu: Excellent. Thanks for testing that. I'll only disable MMX for x86_64 targets then, === StevenK pictures Fujitsu listening to "vroom, crash, vroom, crash, ..." [01:42] More `vroom, crash, skid, spin, oh look at that car that has lapped me for the second time' === jpatrick [n=patrick@40.Red-88-24-238.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] Fujitsu: You can choose everyone's cars if you want. It's a little easier if you have a F1 and they have dune buggies. [01:44] persia: I'm sure I'd still lose. [01:44] Fujitsu: Then you have special skills :) === Fujitsu goes back to something a little better. Like coding. [01:44] Haha. === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=Future@89.152.209.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] StevenK: As the master of all library transitions: could you suggest any means to make sure that a modified libopenal0 works with all the rdepends without finding a way to expose the MMX issue in each game? [01:46] persia: how goes it? [01:46] rexbron: It appears that I've found an issue upstream fixed last march, but somehow never got merged. If only it were earlier in the dev cycle... [01:48] :( [01:48] but it will be fixed upstream for hardy correct? [01:49] rexbron: Depends. Upstream hasn't actually had a release in a while, and is sponsored by Creative and Apple, so most of the development has been targeted towards Windows and Mac OS X. === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] persia: best of luck (and lots of good work) then [01:52] rexbron: Thanks. === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === InteGastono [n=Gasten@h14n5c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.7.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmm [n=bram@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-60.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.231.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.10.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] Anyone feel like packaging a 1-line SRU for Dapper? #86212. === jsomers [n=jsomers@d51A50113.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dpm [n=dpm@p54A13FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] hi persia, welcome back :) [02:26] DktrKranz: Thanks. [02:26] I looked at that bug, a user already provided a patch [02:26] maybe he could do the job [02:26] if not, I will be happy to manage myself [02:26] DktrKranz: Right. Someone just needs to make a Dapper debdiff, and go through the SRU process. It's easy, but needs someone to watch it. [02:27] (and verify the problem & solution in Dapper). [02:27] no proble to verify it [02:28] DktrKranz: Great. Thanks. [02:29] give me ten minutes, I have to finish a couple of things before... [02:29] DktrKranz: No big rush. The bug has been around for a while :) [02:30] I see :) [02:30] is it relevant for edgy too? [02:31] DktrKranz: I'm not sure. [02:31] ok, I'll check for edgy too === jdstrand_ [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MefistoRQ [n=mefisto@host95-136-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nicolai__ [n=nicolai@p54AD60F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] rexbron: I've just taken a quick look at the genpo package. You'll want to run the lintian and linda commands recommended in w.u.c/MOTU/Contributing on .dsc, and then on the .changes when you build it. Remember to use `bzr export` :) [02:53] persia, confirmed on Dapper, Edgy is affected too, could you please add a task? [02:54] DktrKranz: added. [02:54] that patch needs additional love [02:54] DktrKranz: Yes it does :) === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-17-2.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] at least, it requires an if clause to check if /var/run/smokeping is already present [02:55] otherwise, it will raise an error [02:56] I will report this to the user, asking if he want to manage those SRUs [02:56] DktrKranz: I thought the -p took care of that. Does it not work for the final directory? [02:57] persia, IIRC it creates parent directories, not sure if it checks if the final one exists [02:57] DktrKranz: I can't replicate any issues with breaking on existing directories with -p (even in dash) [02:58] yes, it works === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger [n=me@N879P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@pool-71-126-236-225.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@h161n2fls31o808.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@96.Red-81-36-252.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] is there a way to get pbuilder to automatically generate -dbgsym packages of anything it builds? [03:42] DarkMageZ, IIRC you can install pkg-create-dbgsym [03:43] if you insert it into the default set, you should get them automatically [03:43] DarkMageZ: Install pkg-create-dbgsym in the pbuilder chroot [03:43] ah, great :) ty === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-17-2.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@63.116.222.46] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=Cesare@host239-216-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] Anyone with i386 and working GL willing to test the patch from bug #149806? The test case is to compile and install a new libopenal0, start torcs, turn around the first bend, and crash into something. [04:21] Launchpad bug 149806 in openal "OpenAL has unsafe MMX support on AMD64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149806 [04:23] persia, i'll give it a shot [04:23] DarkMageZ: Thanks. === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-058-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] persia, i've pulled the orig.tar.gz & diff.gz & .dsc, but how do i apply a debdiff? patch -p0 file didn't seem to be happy === zul [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] DarkMageZ: No? Hmm. Let me check that again... === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.231.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] persia, nvm. noob error on my part [04:29] DarkMageZ: OK. I was worried there :) [04:31] what was create the diff & dsc without signing again? it was something like debuild -us -uc [04:31] DarkMageZ: exactly === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] DarkMageZ: Alternately, you can use a pbuilder or sbuild (or deb-o-matic :) ) [04:32] trippy. it says my system doesn't have the dependencies. i thought that command wasn't going to try and build it. [04:32] DarkMageZ: -S [04:33] DarkMageZ: That command doesn't sign it. -S doesn't build it. [04:33] DarkMageZ: Well it's called de*build* [04:33] ah, there it goes :) building. === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] persia, deb-o-matic? did you use it in the past? [04:51] DktrKranz: I remember looking at it a couple months ago, but I'm fairly fixed on sbuild for now. [04:52] bug 150130 [04:52] Launchpad bug 150130 in xserver-xgl "Xgl causes noise when scrolling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150130 [04:52] well, I started to write it just because I don't like wanna-build === hoora80 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-2ee65d888848d867] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] DktrKranz: Makes sense. I don't have enough local package needs to get much beyond just building things, although I'll probably become more interested if I ever get more than one supported architecture working at once. [04:55] it's a wanted feature, waiting for qemubuilder to became more stable [04:55] DktrKranz: Now that's an interesting way to do it :) [04:56] (I should have said waiting for qemubuilder AND qemu to become more stable, especially on sparc) [04:57] I have kernel panics each time :( [04:57] heh [04:58] What does deb-o-matic do? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] pkern, it's an automatic package builder. it uses pbuilder as engine. users upload source packages on a given directory with dput (or similar) and it gets them built [05:01] it has some good features, others will come [05:02] Well I use reprepro for repository management. How does it determine what needs to be built? [05:02] it has an "incoming queue" [05:03] it scans it on a regular basis (by default every 60 seconds), determines which package should be built (based on priority) [05:04] and, after updating pbuilder (if there is need to do so), it starts build process as pbuilder does [05:04] And update the chroot beforehand to grok updated builddeps? [05:04] Hm. [05:04] it does only if archives has changed since last build [05:05]