[12:32] <asac> Bernardo: ping :) ... pleae test the ubuntu16~ppa1 from my ppa: http://ppa.launchpad.net/asac/ubuntu/pool/main/n/network-manager/
[12:32] <asac> Bernardo: you are the one and only who can reproduce those crashes without waiting a day. so please give me feedback ;)
[01:35] <asac> Ubulette: currently testing webrunner ... they appear to have issues like:
[01:36] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/Screenshot-WebRunner.png
[01:36] <asac> any idea? i have xulrunner dom-inspector installed now, but that doesn't make a differene
[01:47] <asac> i now linked the extensions folder to the xulrunner one ... still same result
[02:34] <Bernardo> I can no longer reproduce those crashes... :( (or is it :) ?)
[02:34] <Bernardo> With the latest updates (this morning), wifi is working again
[02:35] <Bernardo> the only problem I have now is that it connects by default to any open network in the neighbourhood
[02:35] <Bernardo> and the media centre pc that I removed networkmanager so that it would set up my wifi from /etc/network/interfaces, as it is a mouse/keyboard less box.
[02:36] <Bernardo> but if you want me to test that version, it's ok, I'll download it now and test it here on the laptop
[02:50] <Ubulette> hi
[02:50] <Ubulette> asac, one webapp in particular or all of them ?
[02:51] <asac> all
[02:51] <asac> Bernardo: which versio ndo you have installed?
[02:52] <asac> Ubulette: i wanted to write a launchpad webapp :)
[02:52] <asac> (in my spare time)
[02:54] <asac> Bernardo: maybe you already had my ppa in your sources.list, so it was fixed by that package?
[02:54] <asac> (there wasn't really a network-manager update in the last few days)
[02:55] <Ubulette> asac, seems your xul is borked
[02:55] <asac> how?
[02:56] <asac> Ubulette: oh wait
[02:58] <asac> Ubulette: ok it broke because it was happy with xulrunner 1.8
[02:58] <asac> ... can we please disallow everything below 1.9?
[02:58] <asac> (i had xulrunner from gutsy installed as well)
[02:58] <asac> removing xulrunner helped
[02:59] <Ubulette> webrunner is supposed to run under 1.8 or 1.9 yet I've only tested /w 1.9
[03:01] <asac> Ubulette: ok application.ini fixing helps
[03:01] <asac> just use 1.9a8 as minVersion there
[03:01] <asac> hmm
[03:02] <asac> Ubulette: debian xulrunner doesn't provide inspector extension
[03:04] <asac> so lets just raise minVersion to 1.9a
[03:04] <Ubulette> hmm. it is not mandatory
[03:04] <Ubulette> is it ?
[03:06] <asac> what is mandatory?
[03:06] <asac> minVersion?
[03:07] <asac> Ubulette: have you ever seen this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/653/
[03:07] <asac> what does only absoluete run-path mean?
[03:19] <asac> ok i see th e problem
[03:27] <Ubulette> asac, problem is that I start webrunner with /usr/bin/xulrunner so if you prefered 1.8, you're doomed
[03:32] <asac> Ubulette: so it was the alternative? not the gre.d entry?
[03:36] <asac> Ubulette: ok i think we want a link /usr/bin/xulrunner-1.9 then
[03:37] <asac> Ubulette: did you recover from the xul branch diverging you had yesterady?
[03:37] <Ubulette> yes
[03:37] <asac> ok thanks.
[03:45] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/656/
[03:45] <Ubulette> is it enough or do I need Replaces or something ?
[03:46] <asac> what is your goal?
[03:48] <Ubulette> having a xul+video that I can just substitute to the real one without having to add it everywhere
[03:49] <asac> i think you need replaces. but if possible allow to return to xulrunne-1.9 by just install xulrunner-1.9
[03:49] <asac> as well
[03:49] <Ubulette> that's the plan
[03:51] <Ubulette> so i need provides+conflicts+replaces right ?
[03:51] <asac> thats need to upgrade to it ... no idea if can go back then though :)
[03:52] <asac> what is upstream state on this?
[03:52] <Ubulette> moz ?
[03:52] <asac> yes, state on the video bug
[03:53] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 382267
[03:53] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 382267 in DOM: HTML "Implement WHATWG Video spec" [Enhancement,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382267
[03:54] <Ubulette> the author said on his blog that it may not be ready for ff3
[04:00] <asac> Ubulette: isn't the 3rd party lib dependent part isolated in a component?
[04:01] <Ubulette> i think those 3rd party are built as .a and bundled within libuxl
[04:02] <asac> yes unfortunately this is the case
[04:03] <asac> Ubulette: why don't yuo just provide a separate archive for _experimental_ feature?
[04:03] <asac> and name the package the same ... but just with a greater upstream version?
[04:03] <asac> like 1.9a8+video
[04:03] <asac> ?
[04:15] <Ubulette> no, otherwise I'll just had to add those patches in my bot.
[04:18] <Bernardo> hi asac
[04:19] <Bernardo> sorry, I had to leave
[04:19] <Bernardo> I have version 0.6.5-0ubuntu15
[04:21] <asac> Bernardo: ok .. you sure you cannot reproduce the crashes?
[04:21] <asac> it usually happens if you roam :)
[04:23] <asac> Bernardo: i just wonder because you already had ubuntu15 before, right?
[04:30] <Ubulette> damn, my xul segfault with webrunner now
[04:38] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/660/
[04:42] <Bernardo> yes, I had ubuntu15
[04:43] <Bernardo> but the dbus and kernel and restricted modules updates fixed something
[04:43] <Bernardo> I can try switching back and forth between the 2 WPA and the open network I have here, if you want
[04:44] <asac> Bernardo: please
[04:44] <asac> Bernardo: please try it a few times .)
[04:45] <Bernardo> ok, let me launch kvirc on another machine and check
[04:46] <jbs> preparing to enter as Bernardo... :)
[04:47] <Bernardo> ok, now time to check if I can crash ubuntu15 on the laptop
[04:47] <asac> Bernardo: thanks
[04:48] <Bernardo> first switch to anothe wpa network (fonera) no problems
[04:48] <Bernardo> trying the open network now
[04:49] <Bernardo> stalls after stage 2, with "eth1: link timed out."
[04:50] <Bernardo> I've chosen the open network again, and it stalls again
[04:51] <Bernardo> trying a different open network (vodafone)
[04:56] <jbs_> ok, it seems now only wpa works
[04:57] <Bernardo> couldn't connect to any open network
[04:57] <Bernardo> but no crashes
[05:01] <Ubulette> hmm, my crash comes for mozilla bug 362682
[05:01] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 362682 in GFX: Thebes "Some Unicode characters are no longer displayed with certain fonts (e.g. Arial)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362682
[05:02] <Bernardo> asac: http://pastebin.ca/728951 - that is my syslog from all the network change tries
[05:28] <asac> Bernardo: good then this bug appears to be not soo critical :)
[05:31] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/662/
[05:32] <Ubulette> oh dom is fresher
[05:34] <Ubulette> damn, dom is too strict
[05:35] <asac> Ubulette: if dom is arch: all ... it should not be that strict
[05:35] <asac> we now have to live with that unless we do another upload
[05:38] <asac> as i said ... i think its easier to just use the same bin package names and move it to a different archive
[05:52] <Bernardo> asac: yes, it seems only open networks are broken right now (at least for my ipw3945). I wonder if hidden ssid will work properly?
[05:58] <asac> Bernardo: no it doesnt work
[05:58] <asac> if your open network is hidden, its broken
[05:59] <asac> Bernardo: ok can you please try the network-manager from my ppa anyway?
[05:59] <asac> just to see if anything get worse/better
[06:04] <Bernardo> ok, I need to leave now, I' ll try that as soon as I get back, ok?
[06:04] <asac> Bernardo: ok
[06:37] <Ubulette> asac, ff3 still in the queue after 2 days :( why ?
[06:48] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: freeze
[06:48] <Ubulette> then why xul1.9 passed ?
[06:50] <gnomefreak> maybe the archive admins pushed that faster? not sure
[06:50] <gnomefreak> they have a weird sense of what is more important than others "mozilla code" is not top of the list at all
[07:02] <bluekuja> heya asac
[07:04] <bluekuja> asac: I went home from hospital yesterday
[07:37] <asac> bluekuja: ?
[07:37] <asac> what happened?
[07:37] <bluekuja> asac: crash with motorbike
[07:37] <asac> Ubulette: maybe an archive admin saw the bug :)
[07:37] <Ubulette> which bug ?
[07:37] <bluekuja> asac: http://andreaveri.blogspot.com/
[07:38] <bluekuja> asac: check the photos
[07:38] <asac> Ubulette: firefox-3.0
[07:38] <bluekuja> asac: is italian so you cant understand, but you can check photos ;)
[07:38] <asac> Ubulette: i currently don't have web because i test something proxy related :)
[07:40] <Ubulette> bluekuja, are you injured ?
[07:41] <asac> Ubulette: well, he was in hospital
[07:41] <asac> bluekuja: hope everything will be fine ;)
[07:41] <bluekuja> Ubulette: I'm ok, I didnt broke up anything
[07:41] <Ubulette> bluekuja, I see you're a motu-torrent. I maintain deluge-torrent on my side (daily builds). is that something that your team is interested in ?
[07:42] <bluekuja> *brake
[07:42] <bluekuja> Ubulette: I'm quite fine, but I cant move my leg very well
[07:42] <bluekuja> ^^
[07:42] <bluekuja> Ubulette: yeah, it would be nice to have your help too
[07:42] <Ubulette> bluekuja, good for you. seems your bike was somewhat less lucky
[07:43] <bluekuja> Ubulette: yeah, It's unusable
[07:43] <bluekuja> I gonna buy a new one anyway
[07:43] <Ubulette> my latest deluge-torrent is 0.5.5.95+svn20071006r1923
[07:44] <bluekuja> Ubulette: deluge-torrent uses rasterbar?
[07:44] <asac> deluge torrent is the torrent that uses rasterbar?
[07:44] <asac> hehe
[07:44] <bluekuja> yup
[07:44] <bluekuja> lol
[07:44] <asac> yeah
[07:44] <bluekuja> asac: that's it^^
[07:44] <asac> now bluekuja can decide what todo ;)
[07:44] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:45] <bluekuja> Ubulette: deluge ships a lib on the upstream source
[07:45] <bluekuja> called rasterbar
[07:45] <bluekuja> I'm sure you know everything about it
[07:45] <Ubulette> rasterbar? well, it contains the lib
[07:45] <bluekuja> libtorrent-rasterbar
[07:45] <bluekuja> Ubulette: anyway having it inside in that way is bad
[07:45] <bluekuja> we cannot provide security fixes
[07:45] <bluekuja> et all
[07:46] <bluekuja> we had some discussion on #ubuntu-motu-torrent
[07:46] <bluekuja> about it
[07:46] <bluekuja> e.g to package it and pushing into the archive
[07:46] <bluekuja> asac: I gonna move to agg now
[07:46] <asac> sure
[07:46] <bluekuja> asac: when everything is ready, I give you links
[07:47] <asac> bluekuja: any complains about the diff-ext upload so far?
[07:47] <bluekuja> asac: everything seems to be ok, bug is no more there
[07:47] <bluekuja> package works
[07:47] <bluekuja> and users are happy atm
[07:47] <asac> ok
[07:47] <Ubulette> so far, I've built deluge on top of the existing packaging, fixing things when needed.
[07:47] <bluekuja> asac: I hope you can process agg as soon as you can, I'm too damn excited for the NM
[07:48] <bluekuja> asac: god saved me and said "hey, you have to start the NM, dont get injuried"
[07:48] <bluekuja> :P
[07:48] <Ubulette> same for miro, which uses torrent too
[07:48] <bluekuja> going to eat for a while
[07:48] <asac> bluekuja: right ;)
[07:48] <bluekuja> brb
[07:48] <bluekuja> so we can talk up about deluge
[07:48] <asac> Ubulette: right ... in general we don't want to duplicate libs
[07:49] <bluekuja> brb
[07:49] <asac> Ubulette: because of security issues ... so option would be to package torrent-rasterbar, but then upstream for that committed to not track abi
[07:49] <Ubulette> asac, I know :)
[07:49] <asac> which led the current HOLD in working on the package
[07:49] <asac> and its dependencies
[07:49] <asac> actually promoting packages that use rasterbar to ubuntu isn't good.
[07:50] <asac> it might not be fair for them, but otherwise more people will use it et al
[07:51] <Ubulette> why isn't it good ?
[07:52] <asac> either you duplicate sources or you ship an unstable lib
[07:55] <Ubulette> so there's no solution, ie we should do it to avoid duplicates but we should not because it's not fair/stable
[07:56] <asac> for universe it might be too strict, but more or less yes.
[08:05] <bluekuja> back
[08:07] <bluekuja> Ubulette: are you interested in helping the team out?
[08:07] <Ubulette> sure
[08:08] <Ubulette> but I'm mostly interested by new stuff, like here.
[08:09] <bluekuja> Ubulette: cool, I've seen you're really active
[08:10] <bluekuja> so feel free to ask for membershio
[08:10] <bluekuja> *membership
[08:10] <bluekuja> gonna accept you as soon as I get the mail
[08:11] <Ubulette> done
[08:48] <Ubulette> i've pushed a clean nss in the ppa as it was still the old nss-trunk
[08:48] <Ubulette> of course, I've cleaned it 1st
[08:49] <Ubulette> I'd like to move miro away from firefox-dev now
[08:49] <Ubulette> not sure if it's ready for xul1.9 though
[08:55] <Ubulette> pushing a new xul too (now that a8 is in gutsy)
[08:59] <bluekuja> asac: wooohoo
[09:00] <bluekuja> asac: agg builds twice in a row
[09:01] <bluekuja> asac: I worked with a guy for a patch(which is on debian BTS now)
[09:01] <bluekuja> he pushed it some time ago
[09:01] <bluekuja> I checked it and added a fix for another bug
[09:03] <bluekuja> I left agg before going to vacations
[09:04] <bluekuja> that's why I forgot that patch :/
[09:11] <Ubulette> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569815
[10:33] <asac> Ubulette: what is his problem?
[10:43] <bluekuja> asac: I hope you can process libagg as soon as you can
[10:54] <bluekuja> asac: let me know when back
[11:07] <bluekuja> asac: I gonna move to package new gnome-bt release
[11:07] <bluekuja> with two bug fixes
[11:07] <bluekuja> on it
[11:07] <bluekuja> but first wanna see agg inside
[11:07] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:57] <Ubulette> asac, http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/gfx/thebes/src/gfxPangoFonts.cpp#644
[11:57] <Ubulette> this is ugly
[01:15] <searayman> Ubulette: hey i was told to talk to u about webrunner
[01:15] <Ubulette> hi
[01:15] <searayman> i am tryign to get it to work on ubuntu
[01:15] <searayman> Ubulette: so far i downloaded this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/ubuntu/pool/main/w/webrunner/webrunner_0.7+svn20070925r7025-0ubuntu1~mt2_all.deb
[01:16] <searayman> and this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/ubuntu/pool/main/w/webrunner/webrunner-google-docs_0.7+svn20070925r7025-0ubuntu1~mt2_all.deb
[01:16] <Ubulette> and ?
[01:16] <searayman> after succfully installing both i tried to run the google docs but it didnt really work