[02:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:17] <Gadi> evening, all
[03:17] <Gadi> has anyone played with audio recording on an edubuntu thin client?
[06:03] <sbalneav> Evening all
[06:03] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[06:09] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[06:11] <kgoetz> hi
[07:47] <kgoetz> win 22
[10:06] <RichEd> hi ogra
[10:06] <ogra> hey hey
[10:06] <RichEd> how's the dev & testing ? you winning ?
[10:07] <ogra> waiting for results ... installer is running in my virtual machine but i'm not at the critical point yet
[10:07] <ogra> that build shgould get through fine, but i havent seen it completely yet
[10:07] <ogra> only the pieces i worked on ...
[10:08] <RichEd> and with ubuntu ? any showstoppers we are aware of at the moment ?
[10:08] <ogra> not that i know of
[10:08] <RichEd> good :)
[10:09] <ogra> they shoved off a lot from the pacxkages (unused docs, duplicated files etc)
[10:09] <ogra> that gained *us* about 30M free space
[10:09] <ogra> i'm still looking what to do with that little gift
[10:10] <ogra> likely it needs to be filled with langpacks ... we only have english atm on the main CD
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya
[05:32] <stgraber> ogra: just tested today edubuntu server, the chroot failed to build (a rename error at the end of the building process), then rebooted and everything worked just fine (booted a thin client worked the first time !!!)
[05:32] <ogra> stgraber, yeah, i copied the log to /taget ... :P
[05:32] <stgraber> ogra: the error was about renaming a /var/log/????.log file (sorry didn't take note of the file name)
[05:32] <ogra> indeed /taget doesnt exist :)
[05:32] <stgraber> ok, so apart from that everything works fine
[05:33] <ogra> needed to be /target
[05:33] <ogra> with that fix all should be fine, will be in the next build
[05:34] <stgraber> nice, so RC should install and work fine this time :)
[05:35] <ogra> yeah
[05:35] <ogra> and we have lots of spare space
[05:35] <stgraber> yeah I heard of that. You'll be able to put some of the langpacks back in :)
[05:35] <ogra> i'm thinking about icedtea (free sun java) and two or three languages (es,fr,de)
[06:12] <mherweg> hi everyone
[06:23] <juliux> hi mherweg
[06:23] <sbalneav> Morning all
[06:23] <juliux> morning sbalneav
[06:25] <mherweg> q: what are th minimum reqirements for an edubuntu thinclient : 32 or 48 MB RAM ?
[06:25] <sbalneav> Morning.
[06:26] <sbalneav> 32's VERY tight, but will work.  It will be very slow. 48 would be better.
[06:26] <sbalneav> ogra: You around?
[06:27] <ogra> sure
[06:28] <mherweg> after a fres install of the 7.10beta version of the swerver i get "client not autorized" (or similar) on the thin client
[06:29] <sbalneav> You need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:30] <ogra> yeah, thats only solved in the most recen image
[06:30] <stgraber> mherweg: it's known issue and will be fixed in RC. Do what sbalneav said.
[06:30] <mherweg> ok, thanks . i'll try
[08:01] <dtrask> Ok guys...in market for new laptop....ubuntu or edubuntu of course....any recommendations?  Dell?  System76?  Others?
[08:04] <ogra> macbook fully eqipped :)
[08:22] <dtrask> actually on a MacBook Pro now  :-)
[08:23] <dtrask> MacBook very well supported in terms of hardware drivers in Gutsy?
[08:27] <ogra> well, no idea, but the HW i good :)
[08:27] <ogra> for me the most critical factor of a laptop is still the keyboard at first ... then the display quality and case stability
[08:28] <ogra> all three are supposed to be good on macbooks
[08:50] <LaserJock> ogra: pitti approved my edubuntu-docs upload
[08:51] <LaserJock> ogra: so barring any bugs I think edubuntu-docs should be done
[08:51] <ogra> LaserJock, what was that ?
[08:51] <LaserJock> I added in all the translations
[08:51] <ogra> how much bigger is it  now ?
[08:51] <LaserJock> I had to really hack around debian/rules to do the translations
[08:51] <LaserJock> about 1MB I think
[08:52] <ogra> ah, k
[08:52] <ogra> thas fine then
[08:52] <LaserJock> I removed translations that were less than 10% translated
[08:53] <LaserJock> ogra: the .deb went from 909K to 1.6M
[08:53] <ogra> fine
[08:53] <ogra> we have lots of space on the server CD atm
[08:54] <ogra> but i still need to be careful with live
[08:54] <LaserJock> I pngcrushed the screenshots
[09:41] <davmor2> ogra:  Shouldn't netboot's edubuntu not produce the desktop cd equiv ?
[09:42] <ogra> davmor2, nope
[09:42] <ogra> only the edubuntu-desktop install
[09:42] <ogra> which is identical with the server install desktop wise
[09:43] <davmor2> Right, but there is no addon-cd for netboot.  So does it tell you anywhere that you need it?  Or how to install it?
[09:44] <ogra> no
[09:44] <LaserJock> I would assume we'll have it in the release notes
[09:45] <ogra> edubuntu-docs has some info though
[09:45] <ogra> but they are more general
[09:45] <ogra> yeah, release notes sounds good
[09:45] <ogra> we'll need to have the metapackages for hardy :)
[09:45] <ogra> or tasks
[09:45] <ogra> whatever fits better
[09:46] <davmor2> Right okay so it's not a bug there is just no docs for it.  No problems.  I was just expecting the equiv to a live cd install :)
[09:46] <davmor2> so I'll edit it now on the test tracker :)
[09:47] <ogra> davmor2, invalid was probably to harsh, whishlist sounds better :)
[09:48] <davmor2> ogra: I thought it was missing all the education packages that's a major flaw :)  Now I know different I have changed it :)
[09:49] <ogra> the live install gives you what once was edubuntu-desktop
[09:49] <ogra> well, nearly ...
[09:49] <ogra> its odd that there are still differences but its a lot better than in feisty at least
[09:49] <davmor2> so is done to make it fit on a cd still?
[09:50] <ogra> yeah
[09:50] <ogra> we needed space on the server CD
[09:51] <davmor2> Right it's only so I know while testing :)
[09:51] <ogra> the suqashfs we use on live gives us some extra space so we could keep many edu apps there
[09:51] <davmor2> cool
[09:51] <ogra> but users complained when we made -desktop the same everywhere since they didnt get installed what they saw on the live session
[09:52] <ogra> so we made ubiquity install the live apps as well
[09:53] <davmor2> ah empathy just crashed :(
[09:54] <davmor2> I think the big issue is that you expect educational apps with edubuntu :(
[09:54] <ogra> yeah
[09:55] <ogra> there is a lot on the panel to be discussed about the future of edubuntu n boston
[09:55] <LaserJock> :(
[09:55] <LaserJock> I need to make sure I get my voip setup so I can listen in
[09:55] <davmor2> cool.
[09:56] <ogra> davmor2, well, lets see if thats so cool ...
[09:56] <ogra> might be that edubuntu as you know it now will stop to exist
[09:56] <ogra> not sure where thats going
[09:58] <davmor2> that's not so cool :(
[09:59] <encompass> woah, that aint good
[09:59] <ogra> that must not be bad :)
[10:00] <ogra> lets see :)
[10:00] <ogra> dont judge in advance
[10:00] <LaserJock> Edubuntu DVD FTW!
[10:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:01] <ogra> LaserJock, the question is rather do we need a first CD (and thus DVD)
[10:02] <ogra> or should edubuntu become a plain addon with g-a-i on steroids
[10:04] <davmor2> it really would be too :)  Might make it less confusing but then you got to install stuff for a week and a half
[10:04] <LaserJock> ogra: yes, I think it's a good question
[10:04] <LaserJock> it'd be a big change
[10:04] <LaserJock> but it makes sense for us to just maintain the Edubuntu specific stuff
[10:04] <davmor2> and what about the serverside :(
[10:05] <LaserJock> ogra: we're shipping 9 translations of the Handbook
[10:05] <sbalneav> Wow
[10:05] <ogra> nice !
[10:05] <LaserJock> they aren't complete translations
[10:05] <LaserJock> there are a few that are pretty much complete
[10:06] <ogra> davmor2, server stuff would have to be handled by the server team
[10:06] <sbalneav> davmor2: About the only thing that makes edubuntu-server is ltsp, and that could easily be added.
[10:06] <LaserJock> de didn't make it so well
[10:06] <ogra> davmor2, the main concern with al this is that to much of my worktime goes into the CDs
[10:06] <ogra> sbalneav, well, we're about to add a moodle default mode ad will have a authserver setup as well
[10:07] <davmor2> right so it would just be a package instead ?
[10:07] <ogra> the thing is that the *ubuntu* server cd would have to provide all we need as a task
[10:07] <LaserJock> but we could easily keep an edubuntu-server metapackage/task though, right?
[10:07] <sbalneav> Myself, personally, I'd vote for an addon cd that installs the edu apps + ltsp server.  I think it will free up a lot of our time maintaining a lot of stuff that isn't edu related.
[10:07] <sbalneav> But that's just me. :)
[10:08] <LaserJock> I agree
[10:08] <ogra> well, my target in the past ws to ofer an alternative for k12ltsp users
[10:08] <LaserJock> although it's not a clear win in all ways
[10:08] <davmor2> sounds like a plan
[10:08] <ogra> we might loose these
[10:08] <sbalneav> Well, it still is.
[10:08] <sbalneav> k12ltsp ships on multiple cds
[10:08] <sbalneav> so will eubuntu
[10:09] <ogra> it will be less easy to install
[10:09] <sbalneav> 1) ubuntu cd + 1 Edubuntu conversion cd.
[10:09] <ogra> right
[10:09] <davmor2> ogra: couldn't you just do an app on cd style addon cd?
[10:09] <LaserJock> perhaps not having to deal with initial installation would help
[10:09] <ogra> the thing is that i dont see the advantage, it doesnt really matter if i test one or two CDs :)
[10:10] <sbalneav> Well, we just have to work on the installer part, and make sure it's working flawless.  But it frees us (you, more specifically) from worrying about bootsize cd images, DI stuff, etc.
[10:10] <ogra> LaserJock, it will shortn the time a bit
[10:10] <LaserJock> well, if you don't have to deal with udebs and ubiquity/d-installer ;-)
[10:10] <ogra> which is the fun part :)
[10:10] <sbalneav> right.
[10:10] <sbalneav> What, ltsp isn't the fun part? :)
[10:10] <ogra> dont take al the fun out of my job :)
[10:11] <ogra> sbalneav, ltsp is the inly thing i usually touch the installer for
[10:11] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, then write a custom Edubuntu installer
[10:11] <LaserJock> that provides all kinds of goodies ;-0
[10:11] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[10:11] <davmor2> ogra: just work on ubuntu's instead ;)
[10:11] <sbalneav> We can hash it over in Bawston.
[10:11] <ogra> i just wrote a gui for ltsp-build-client (the 6th or 7th one ... i do these for relaxing while doing iso test installs :) )
[10:12] <sbalneav> Oh, nice.
[10:12] <LaserJock> if we could move to DVDs I think it would be nice to keep us as a full OS
[10:12] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I got localapps launching with my xrexecd last night.
[10:12] <LaserJock> interesting
[10:12] <ogra> well, the target for edubuntu (or rather ubuntu in education) will be to get ready for minucupalities and governments as well ... so we'll start to fcus on mass user maintenance etc
[10:13] <ogra> *municipalities :)
[10:13] <sbalneav> "muni" for short
[10:14] <LaserJock> well, perhaps a spec on just what Edubuntu is and what it's targets are, etc. would be good
[10:14] <sbalneav> Or m12s :)
[10:14] <LaserJock> I'd hate for Edubuntu to *just* be meeting Canonical's goals
[10:14] <ogra> LaserJock, well, its my job to make sure there is some balance
[10:14] <LaserJock> but I think clearly defining target and purpose would be good
[10:14] <ogra> but note that cannical invested a *lot* with very little or even no return at all yet
[10:15] <LaserJock> sure
[10:15] <LaserJock> I think meeting their business goals (clearly mass contracts/deployments are what makes sense there) is a good thing
[10:16] <ogra> in any case we'll review the targets and properly define/spec them
[10:16] <LaserJock> but it should sacrifice giving and educational OS to regular users
[10:16] <LaserJock> *shouldn't
[10:16] <ogra> thats on the list for boston
[10:16] <ogra> right
[10:17] <LaserJock> ogra: was there ever a decision on whether the Desktop CD is the "recommended" install or not?
[10:17] <LaserJock> I've missed the last two meetings :(
[10:17] <ogra> we dont switch
[10:17] <ogra> the discussion came to late for the chnage
[10:17] <ogra> printing was already started back when we started discussing it
[10:18] <ogra> (covers and the like, not the CDs indeed)
[10:19] <ogra> i wont forget abut the request in boston, dont worry ... but forst we'll need to do some basic decisions there
[10:19] <ogra> *first
[10:20] <LaserJock> np, I'm just redoing the ubuntu-cdimage script for the download pages
[10:20] <sbalneav> Do we have usable cd images to test?
[10:20] <sbalneav> I could do some testing tonight?
[10:24] <sbalneav> OK, off to dinner
[10:25] <LaserJock> ogra: how does this sound for the Desktop CD:
[10:26] <LaserJock> The desktop CD allows you to try Edubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. You will need at least 320 MB of RAM to install from this CD. You can install additional educational programs by using the Edubuntu Classroom Server Addon CD
[10:26] <ogra> sounds fine
[10:27] <LaserJock> now the Classroom Server section says nothing about the addon cd
[10:28] <LaserJock> should I mention something like "To install the Edubuntu educational programs use the Classroom Server Addon CD"
[10:28] <LaserJock> + after installation
[10:28] <LaserJock> I guess we should make sure they know you use it *after* you install with the Classroom Server CD
[10:46] <ogra> (sleep 3; echo "GET /edubuntu/daily/current/gutsy-server-i386.list"; sleep 2) |telnet cdimage.ubuntu.com 80 2>/dev/null |grep ltsp|grep 5.0.39 >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo "yes, please download"
[10:46] <ogra> sbalneav, ^^^ :)
[10:47] <ogra> LaserJock, "Classroom Server Addon CD requires an edubuntu desktop to be installed on the machine"
[10:48] <LaserJock> that should be for the addon CD description?
[10:49] <ogra> thats why i wrote "Classroom Server Addon CD" in the beginning of the sentence :)
[10:50] <LaserJock> The classroom server add-on $CD contains additional packages that may be
[10:50] <LaserJock> useful in conjunction with the classroom server $CD. It requires that an $CAPPROJECT
[10:50] <LaserJock> desktop be installed on the machine.
[10:51] <LaserJock> ogra: ^^ that work?
[10:51] <ogra> "contains additional packages that may useful in conjunction with the classroom server" is wrong
[10:51] <ogra> it doesnt need the server CD
[10:51] <LaserJock> right
[10:51] <ogra> it needs an edubuntu-desktop to be installed
The classroom server add-on $CD contains additional useful packages, including many
[10:52] <LaserJock> educational programs. It requires that an $CAPPROJECT desktop be installed on the machine.</p>
[10:52] <LaserJock> how's that?
[10:53] <ogra> thats fine
[10:54] <LaserJock> k
[10:54] <ogra> we should probably mention that it also includes all available langage packs
[10:54] <LaserJock> ah, right
[10:54] <LaserJock> so ...including many educational programs and all available language packs.
[10:57] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, I'm sending it to colin
[10:57] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:04] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, well I think I better be off
[11:04] <LaserJock> I think I should be done for gutsy
[11:04] <LaserJock> so I can have any chance of working on Hardy ;-)
[11:04] <ogra> thanks for all the help
[11:04] <ogra> you did an awesome job for gutsy
[11:04] <LaserJock> well
[11:05] <LaserJock> I tried to get done most of what I set out to do
[11:05] <LaserJock> ogra: thanks for all the help you've provided
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'll try to make it to this week's meeting
[11:07] <ogra> not much to tell there apart from crying fo rtesters i guess