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| DaSkreech | Yup it crashes when I mouse over the taskbar with surprising frequency | 02:34 |
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| DaSkreech | anyone in gutsy? | 02:36 |
| DaSkreech | Beta 3 got pushed back | 02:42 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:48 |
| DaSkreech | hey | 02:48 |
| bddebian | Heya DaSkreech | 02:49 |
| DaSkreech | Running Gutsy? | 02:49 |
| bddebian | One one machine, yes | 02:49 |
| DaSkreech | Fairly up to date? | 02:50 |
| bddebian | dist-upgrading as we speak :-) | 02:50 |
| DaSkreech | Ok when you are done can you go to System Settings -> Monitor -> Adminstrator mode and confirm that it can't change the resolution ? | 02:51 |
| bddebian | Well that machine is ubuntu not kubuntu | 02:52 |
| bddebian | Or do you thin it's an xorg issue? | 02:53 |
| DaSkreech | I do | 02:54 |
| DaSkreech | Alt+ctrl++ && alt+ctrl+- don't work | 02:54 |
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| jjesse | morning Jucato | 03:10 |
| Jucato | evening jjesse! :) | 03:11 |
| DaSkreech | Hi Jucato | 03:11 |
| === jjesse is sick of reloading his laptop ;( | ||
| Jucato | hi DaSkreech | 03:11 |
| Jucato | reloading? | 03:11 |
| === Jucato imagines putting bullets in the laptop | ||
| jjesse | new laptop from work and trying to set it back up | 03:11 |
| Jucato | aw... | 03:12 |
| Jucato | (yay for new laptop, boo for setting up again and again) | 03:12 |
| jjesse | i leave for a confrence tomorrow and have to have it all up and running | 03:12 |
| Jucato | yikes! double boo | 03:13 |
| jjesse | yeah totally | 03:13 |
| jjesse | you might be able to replace !nixternal with !jjesse as it is dual booting vista | 03:13 |
| Jucato | but you don't love it as much as he does | 03:14 |
| Jucato | so it stays :) | 03:14 |
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| jjesse | grin | 03:17 |
| Jucato | double double grin | 03:17 |
| nosrednaekim | whats so exciting? | 03:18 |
| jjesse | laughing at me reloading my laptop | 03:18 |
| DaSkreech | triple grins | 03:18 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Gutsy? | 03:18 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: what do you mean? | 03:19 |
| DaSkreech | Running gutsy? | 03:19 |
| Jucato | yeah | 03:19 |
| === Jucato has problems with the 2.6.22-13 kernel though | ||
| DaSkreech | relatively up to date? | 03:19 |
| Jucato | yes | 03:19 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Freezes? | 03:19 |
| Jucato | yep | 03:19 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah me too | 03:20 |
| DaSkreech | Ok when you are done can you go to System Settings -> Monitor -> Adminstrator mode and confirm that it can't change the resolution ? | 03:20 |
| Jucato | the error is: run command: /sbin/modprobe abnormal exit | 03:20 |
| Jucato | I've never been able to change resolutions using displayconfig :) | 03:20 |
| Jucato | besides, theoretically you shouldn't have to go to Admin mode to change res | 03:20 |
| === nosrednaekim wishes he had DSL so he could help debug this. | ||
| Jucato | by never, I mean, ever since there was displayconfig iirc | 03:21 |
| DaSkreech | I know I saw that as well But Decided to do admin just to make sure that I was able to | 03:21 |
| Jucato | maybe once or twice I was able to... but extremely rare | 03:21 |
| DaSkreech | I changed the resolution to waht it is with it | 03:21 |
| nosrednaekim | display config always worked for me... | 03:22 |
| nosrednaekim | when i'm not running XGL | 03:22 |
| Jucato | lucky lucky :) | 03:22 |
| jjesse | just updated my gutsy and noticed in system settings things don't size correctly | 03:22 |
| Jucato | maybe on my laptop I will better luck :) | 03:22 |
| jjesse | example is user management takes qabout 5 lines | 03:22 |
| nosrednaekim | not really, if I was luck and LUCKY, I wouldn't need XGL | 03:22 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: I got a new res | 03:22 |
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| jjesse | ok quick question: whats the best way to get all of my emails out of kmail w/o losing anything? | 03:30 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: there is a DIR in .kde/share/apps/kmail | 03:32 |
| jjesse | copy the whole directory? | 03:32 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah... why not ;) | 03:32 |
| Jucato | yep | 03:32 |
| Jucato | might as well copy kmail config files too | 03:32 |
| jjesse | onq | 03:33 |
| Jucato | so that you could keep your filters and other settings | 03:33 |
| jjesse | doh | 03:33 |
| Jucato | onq? | 03:33 |
| DaSkreech | can I pass two commands to a ssh session? | 03:33 |
| jjesse | was typing konq in katapult but messed up | 03:33 |
| DaSkreech | konq :) | 03:33 |
| jjesse | ok so i need the .kde/share/apps/kmail folder? | 03:33 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: yeah... that has your mail in it | 03:34 |
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| Jucato | and probably ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc and related *mail* files in there | 03:34 |
| jjesse | should i just copy my whole ./kde/share directory? | 03:34 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: cpy your whole .kde ;) | 03:35 |
| nosrednaekim | that way you won't lose your contacts either | 03:35 |
| Jucato | why not copy all of ~ :D | 03:35 |
| DaSkreech | and /etc :) | 03:36 |
| nosrednaekim | and / | 03:36 |
| Jucato | and.. and.. aw.. just dd! | 03:36 |
| DaSkreech | and /.. | 03:36 |
| nosrednaekim | and run a wget http://www.*.*/* in the process | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Beta 3 got pushed back | 03:38 |
| nosrednaekim | to tomorrow? | 03:38 |
| Jucato | to be tagged today | 03:39 |
| Jucato | it *was* pushed back last week. but tagging is Oct 8 | 03:39 |
| Jucato | (which is today here) | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | Will be soon here | 03:40 |
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| jjesse | ok copying entire /.kde/share folder | 03:54 |
| jjesse | lets see if that works | 03:54 |
| jjesse | i have 30+ gig of vms to copy over :( | 03:54 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: thats why you have a /home... | 03:55 |
| jjesse | nosrednaekim: what? | 03:55 |
| nosrednaekim | separate /home that is | 03:56 |
| jjesse | nosrednaekim: switching laptops so a separate /home wouldn't help would it? | 03:56 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: oh :) | 03:56 |
| nosrednaekim | .me has been PWN3d | 03:56 |
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| jjesse | grin :) :) | 03:56 |
| === Jucato lifts the rock... boo! | ||
| === nosrednaekim ..... is PWN3D again | ||
| jjesse | ok i copied over my folder and now some of my messages show up as no subject, unkown sender, unknown date and no information in the body | 04:03 |
| nosrednaekim | oh...fun.. | 04:04 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: I think there is a way to back up your data in kmail | 04:04 |
| jjesse | ok? | 04:04 |
| nosrednaekim | hmmm maybe there isn't | 04:05 |
| jjesse | wow that sucks | 04:06 |
| Jucato | very... | 04:07 |
| Jucato | I found it extremely hard to migrate most kdepim stuff... but mail most specially | 04:07 |
| jjesse | so its just a hit or miss if you get your email when you migrate from one computer to another | 04:07 |
| jjesse | seems very poor | 04:07 |
| === Jucato nods | ||
| jjesse | so its basically a crap shoot if you get 6 months + of email out of a system | 04:10 |
| nosrednaekim | .kde always made everything migrate fine.. | 04:11 |
| nosrednaekim | if I cpoied the whole DIR | 04:11 |
| jjesse | i've always had problems with some emails missing | 04:12 |
| === Jucato always had a hit or miss | ||
| === nosrednaekim always hit | ||
| Jucato | but imho, the fact that it's inconsistent is itself enough to worry about | 04:13 |
| jjesse | ok more then halfway done copying files | 04:25 |
| jjesse | just have to make sure everything gets installed correctly | 04:26 |
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| DaSkreech | Hooray powercuts | 04:39 |
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| DaSkreech | And a freeze | 05:01 |
| coreymon77 | is this full freeze? | 05:04 |
| DaSkreech | Yes | 05:05 |
| DaSkreech | hold on let me see if I get the same modprobe error as Jucato | 05:06 |
| coreymon77 | whens stable comming? | 05:06 |
| Jucato | 18 Oct | 05:06 |
| coreymon77 | nice | 05:06 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: hey | 05:33 |
| Jucato | yo? | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | Do you have kernel logs in Ksystemlog ? | 05:34 |
| Jucato | no. I believe that's a bug | 05:35 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 05:35 |
| DaSkreech | just checking | 05:35 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: No modprobe errors in Kernel log for me | 05:42 |
| Jucato | I removed quiet and splash from the GRUB entry to see that | 05:43 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: It freezes on startup? | 05:45 |
| Jucato | as early as booting the kernel | 05:45 |
| DaSkreech | Oh | 05:54 |
| DaSkreech | no | 05:54 |
| DaSkreech | My boots are randomly hours after boot | 05:54 |
| DaSkreech | and mostly when there is a tooltip on the screen | 05:55 |
| DaSkreech | well the Info ballons from the taskbar | 05:55 |
| DaSkreech | whatever they are clled | 05:55 |
| DaSkreech | called | 05:55 |
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| Tm_T | Jucato: poke me | 07:56 |
| Jucato | s/can/should/ | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | hmh | 07:57 |
| Jucato | I can poke you... but dunno if I should... | 07:57 |
| Tm_T | good thinking ;) | 07:57 |
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| DaSkreech | Jucato: When do you expect 4.1 to ship? | 10:41 |
| Jucato | that depends on when 4.0 ships... :) | 10:41 |
| Jucato | but I don't want to even think about 4.1 for now | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Jucato! | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | and all others | 10:41 |
| Jucato | hi _StefanS_! | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: dont mind my messy code in kdmtheme btw,.. you will probably do it alot better :) | 10:42 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: that's a big PROBABLY | 10:42 |
| Jucato | maybe in 2010 | 10:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well if i've had some more time, i would probably have been more satisfied with it | 10:43 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: but hey, it works, | 10:43 |
| Jucato | we'll have more time for Heron :) | 10:43 |
| _StefanS_ | yep | 10:44 |
| Jucato | if I only had all the skills i need, I want to focus on making Heron the most stable Kubuntu release ever... | 10:45 |
| Jucato | hm... I'm going on a triaging spree next week maybe... | 10:46 |
| _StefanS_ | yes and if I got paid I would ditch my dayjob and do kubuntu 100% :) | 10:46 |
| Jucato | I don't mind not being paid at this point in time yet :) | 10:46 |
| Jucato | but maybe next month... | 10:46 |
| Jucato | hm.. wonder where Hobbsee is... it's not like her not to be here for a whole day.. | 10:49 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Were you looking for a MB? | 10:52 |
| Jucato | MB? | 10:52 |
| DaSkreech | Motherboard | 10:52 |
| Jucato | nope | 10:53 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869 | 10:53 |
| Jucato | I'm looking for money... anyone has some to spare? | 10:53 |
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| Jucato | DaSkreech: nope. I heard rumors about sabdfl making some comments about OO.o though | 11:04 |
| Jucato | (sorry, thought it might be OT for #k) | 11:04 |
| DaSkreech | Right sorry | 11:04 |
| DaSkreech | sleepy | 11:04 |
| Jucato | hehe better sleep, for a few minutes | 11:05 |
| DaSkreech | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/10/03/openoffice-org-community-conflict-leads-to-fragmentation | 11:05 |
| Jucato | power naps | 11:05 |
| DaSkreech | Maybe koffice will get a sugar daddy :) | 11:05 |
| DaSkreech | Naw I'll probably jsut skip work tomorrow | 11:05 |
| Jucato | boo :P | 11:05 |
| Jucato | nah I dont' think sabdfl's going to use a KDE solution | 11:05 |
| DaSkreech | I don't care about sabdfl | 11:06 |
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| DaSkreech | And he probably uses it already | 11:06 |
| DaSkreech | his Main comp is a Kubuntu one i think | 11:06 |
| DaSkreech | though his laptop is ubuntu and he does travel a lot | 11:06 |
| Jucato | sabdfl's the only viable sugar daddy for Kubuntu :) | 11:06 |
| Jucato | he rarely uses his desktop afaik | 11:06 |
| Jucato | so saying that he has Kubuntu there isn't really... much :) | 11:06 |
| Jucato | sorry | 11:06 |
| DaSkreech | In anycase Koffice is good solution but it a) doesn't run on Windows and b) gets no corporate support | 11:06 |
| DaSkreech | KDE4 takes care of a) | 11:07 |
| DaSkreech | Hopefully a fragmented OO.o will raise the Koffice visibilty | 11:07 |
| Jucato | there's a c) | 11:07 |
| Jucato | but no, I don't glory in the failure of OO.o... it's failure is going to scar FOSS, whether you like OO.o or not | 11:08 |
| Jucato | (the c) is MS Office format support) | 11:08 |
| DaSkreech | Which can be helped by b | 11:08 |
| DaSkreech | And would be a main focus of b I think | 11:08 |
| Jucato | depends though... | 11:08 |
| Jucato | he who codes decides.. and they who code decided not :) | 11:08 |
| DaSkreech | I don't glory in the failure of something that visible either but I've been saying that Oo.o needs to stop having money put in it's lap a long time ago | 11:09 |
| DaSkreech | It's waht saved Mozilla | 11:09 |
| DaSkreech | It's what will save Oo.o | 11:09 |
| DaSkreech | It's not a community project by any stretch | 11:09 |
| Jucato | I think there's a similar danger w/ ODF and IBM iirc | 11:10 |
| DaSkreech | Then again I said Java would be better by being open source but probably didn'y need it so what do I know | 11:10 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Hmm? what danger? | 11:10 |
| Jucato | iirc, IBM has a sort of promise not to enforce its patents on ODF as long as it is part of the group that works on it | 11:11 |
| Jucato | my memory's a bit sketchy on that one | 11:11 |
| DaSkreech | Oh yeah | 11:11 |
| DaSkreech | It sold those to ODSL so that should be ok | 11:11 |
| Jucato | dangnabit!! :( | 11:12 |
| Jucato | sorry different issue | 11:12 |
| DaSkreech | naw don't worry about it | 11:13 |
| DaSkreech | every few months i have to go over all the tech news and resort things out in my head | 11:14 |
| Jucato | Windows seems to have nuked my 2nd usb card reader | 11:14 |
| DaSkreech | like Smolt | 11:14 |
| Jucato | no really... different issue :) | 11:14 |
| === Jucato is having hardware dramas | ||
| DaSkreech | Ah | 11:15 |
| DaSkreech | In any case Koffice does at least three thigns better than OO.o does now so hopefully someone will start pointing at it as something to look into | 11:16 |
| DaSkreech | rather than the Gnome office | 11:17 |
| Jucato | GO only beats it in the cross-platform department | 11:17 |
| Jucato | tbh, KOffice is one of the very *very* and I mean very few KDE apps I really want ported to other platforms | 11:17 |
| DaSkreech | No GO is pretty neat but it's not unified by any means | 11:17 |
| DaSkreech | OO.o killed it dead | 11:17 |
| Jucato | last time I tried Abiword (last year?), it couldn't open ODT | 11:18 |
| DaSkreech | Abiword is pretty agile they'll get it in | 11:18 |
| Jucato | and pretty small.... that's an advantage. | 11:18 |
| DaSkreech | but Abiword getting ODT doesn't mean that Gnumeric will have ODC | 11:18 |
| Jucato | but there are only really 3 apps in GO... | 11:18 |
| DaSkreech | They are neat apps but a mess as a suite | 11:18 |
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| DaSkreech | Yeah there were more but as I said OO.o came about | 11:19 |
| Jucato | it's not even a suite afaik... it's just 3 apps combined because of the "office" tag | 11:19 |
| Jucato | http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/ only three :) | 11:19 |
| Jucato | no presentation software either :) | 11:19 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah As I said | 11:20 |
| DaSkreech | OO.o is a GO killer | 11:20 |
| Jucato | just wanted to make you repeat it :) | 11:20 |
| Jucato | for the 3rd time | 11:20 |
| Tm_T | KOffice <3 | 11:20 |
| === Tm_T hides | ||
| Jucato | KOffice <3 <3 <3 >3 :P | 11:20 |
| DaSkreech | they were getting things together to build a suite and climbed over the top of the hill to crescendo music and a giant Code base with a club and one eye standing in the Shadow of the Sun | 11:21 |
| DaSkreech | (fine fine pun intended) | 11:21 |
| DaSkreech | But having tried to make headway into OO.o I have to say they are very stubborn about letting people get into it | 11:23 |
| === Jucato wonders if there will be a FreeOffice soon :) | ||
| DaSkreech | Run By FSF | 11:24 |
| Jucato | not necessarily.. just !Sun | 11:24 |
| Jucato | I just really wish KOffice would get better support for MS Office formats (no, RTF doesn't count)... | 11:25 |
| DaSkreech | I've given up use of them mostly so I'm ok | 11:25 |
| DaSkreech | Well | 11:26 |
| DaSkreech | bedtime | 11:26 |
| Jucato | you have... I have too... but the other people around me haven't | 11:26 |
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| _StefanS_ | seems like that Gdebi frontend doesn't really handle multiple selected *deb files..... | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: would be nice if it did?+ | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | but I guess thats a feature ;) | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | so .... | 01:14 |
| Riddell | sounds like it | 01:14 |
| Riddell | mhb is the man to ask | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: you there? | 01:15 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: to push it? | 01:15 |
| Riddell | he wrote gdebi-kde | 01:17 |
| Jucato | bug 133810 seems to be still in effect... | 01:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133810 in kde-guidance "package guidance-backends 0.8.0svn20070727-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes', which is also in package kde-guidance" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133810 | 01:40 |
| Riddell | if that's the only overlapping file problem on a dist-upgrade from feisty I'll be surprised :) | 01:42 |
| Jucato | hehe | 01:42 |
| Jucato | that's so far the only one stopping me. completely fresh feisty install upgrading to gutsy | 01:43 |
| === Jucato actually just installed feisty to test the upgrade again (and again) | ||
| Jucato | krazy aren't I? :) | 01:43 |
| Riddell | well, easily fixed | 01:44 |
| Riddell | Jucato: you're testing using apt-get dist-upgrade? | 01:44 |
| Jucato | I first ran adept_manager --version-upgrade. but sometime during my peaceful slumber it seems to have crashed without leaving a clue whatsoever | 01:45 |
| Jucato | tried to continue through adept_updater, which fails because of that bug | 01:45 |
| Jucato | so had to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends | 01:45 |
| Riddell | Jucato: can you look at the end of the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade for a backtrace? | 01:46 |
| Jucato | ok gonna check | 01:46 |
| Jucato | which file? apt.log, main.log or man_pre_req.log? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | all of them | 01:47 |
| Jucato | hm ok... going to try to put them up somewhere | 01:49 |
| Jucato | grr!! i hate it when I boot the laptop and forget to push the wireless button :( | 01:50 |
| Jucato | Riddell: http://jucato.org/stuff/apt.log and http://jucato.org/stuff/main.log and http://jucato.org/stuff/main_pre_req.log | 01:56 |
| Jucato | KDE 3.5.8... why does KDE always catch us offguard? :( | 02:07 |
| ScottK | Jucato: IIRC Riddell new it was coming and decided not to bother so late in the cycle. | 02:07 |
| Jucato | ScottK: yeah. it was kinda rhetorical in a way :) | 02:08 |
| ScottK | OK. | 02:08 |
| ScottK | Jucato: A more whimsical answer is so that Riddell won't be bored after the Gutsy release (he can do Gutsy 3.5.8 packages). | 02:09 |
| Riddell | it's only happened once before | 02:09 |
| Riddell | and it's still unclear if it can get in or no | 02:09 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If you need testing, please let me know. | 02:09 |
| Riddell | aby kontact users? | 02:09 |
| Riddell | Lure! | 02:09 |
| Lure | hi Riddell | 02:10 |
| === ScottK uses Kontact. | ||
| Lure | just back from week of sailing | 02:10 |
| Jucato | hi Lure! :) | 02:10 |
| Jucato | oooh sailing :) | 02:10 |
| Lure | hi Jucato | 02:10 |
| Riddell | Lure: I uploaded what was in your PPA, dunno if that was a good idea or no | 02:10 |
| Riddell | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/150536 just arrived | 02:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 150536 in kdepim "status setting isn't saved" [Undecided,New] | 02:11 |
| Lure | Riddell: it looked good for me, but I tested it only for half a dat before I left | 02:11 |
| Jucato | Lure: you're our kdepim guy right? :) | 02:12 |
| Lure | Riddell: can confirm that bug, but I am not sure this is just last version | 02:12 |
| Lure | Jucato: just by accident ;-) | 02:12 |
| Jucato | I have another one for you :) | 02:12 |
| Jucato | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/149321 | 02:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149321 in kdepim "[Gutsy] Basket notes is no longer embedded in kontact!" [Low,Triaged] | 02:12 |
| Riddell | Jucato: that was removed because it caused a crash | 02:13 |
| Lure | Jucato: I just jumped on it when enterprise was completelly useless for my day job ;-) | 02:13 |
| Jucato | Riddell: ah I see. so it's going to be permanent? | 02:13 |
| Riddell | until the crash gets fixed | 02:13 |
| Jucato | ah ok. thanks :) | 02:13 |
| Lure | Riddell: it may just need rebuild, which Hobbsee already requested | 02:13 |
| === Jucato was going krazy over the weekend thinking it was his fault :P | ||
| Lure | Riddell: they have changed some API/structures, but did not bump ABI | 02:14 |
| ScottK | Yummy. | 02:14 |
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| Lure | nop, rebuild is not enouh | 02:15 |
| Lure | enough even | 02:15 |
| Riddell | 13:21 < ThomasZ> Riddell: my main problem seems to still be present; using kmail filters to move a mail from the inbox to another folder (using courier or scalix dimap) will incorrectly keep that email there. Which has the effect that on each sync I get each and every mail again. | 02:25 |
| Riddell | sigh | 02:26 |
| === ScottK is curious for thoughts on Bug #144490. Apparently the patch applies fine in a pbuilder, but not in iwj's environment.... | ||
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 144490 in python-kde3 "autopkgtest gutsy python-kde3: erroneous package!" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144490 | 02:29 |
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| Riddell | curious indeed | 02:33 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If you (or anyone else) have a hint about what's wrong, I might take a shot at fixing whatever it is.... | 02:35 |
| Riddell | I've no idea at all | 02:35 |
| Riddell | and since it's not an actual problem, I wouldn't worry | 02:35 |
| Riddell | bug 146216 is more of an issue | 02:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146216 in knetworkconf "kde network administration doesn't disable interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146216 | 02:36 |
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| jpatrick | hi Hobbsee | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick! | 02:49 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: got me MOTU back :) | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 02:50 |
| jpatrick | now - back to school | 02:52 |
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| Jucato | hi Hobbsee!!! | 02:56 |
| Jucato | dang missed jpatrick... | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato! | 02:56 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: how's 3.5.8 going? | 02:56 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you weren't on for 24 hours! kinda worried :) | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: hm, yeah, guess i wasnt. 28, in fact. | 02:57 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 02:57 |
| === Hobbsee went to a friends place, came home, slept, went to uni, went to work, covered work's ass (yet) again, adn tehn came home | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, and smashed my car in the process. | 02:57 |
| Jucato | wth!?! :( | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | so yeah, kinda eventful! | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | his car has more damage :P | 02:58 |
| Jucato | who's paying? :) | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | um, dunno yet | 03:00 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: coolo is still tagging it | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i smashed into him, but he really shouldnt have been going that way. so...unsure. | 03:01 |
| Jucato | oh... :/ | 03:01 |
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| Lure | Riddell: is ThomasZ message recent? I though it is scalix specific and that it was worked on in #kontact | 03:17 |
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| Riddell | Lure: yes, today | 03:21 |
| Riddell | Lure: he is using scalix | 03:21 |
| Jucato | Riddell: thanks for the very quick fix to that guidance bug :) | 03:21 |
| === Jucato waits for the fix to hit the servers | ||
| Lure | Riddell: I do not have that problem (dimap on MS exchange) and we have other testers on imap | 03:21 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:50 |
| manchicken | Howdy. | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Hi manchicken | 03:51 |
| manchicken | My system76 is sick :( | 03:51 |
| manchicken | It's out for warranty repair. Backlight stopped coming on. | 03:51 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian, manchicken! | 03:51 |
| Riddell | Lure: so stick with the 20070926 version for gutsy you think? | 03:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: yes, there are some fixes beyond that in svn though | 03:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: 4 commits, all fixes for kolab issues | 03:53 |
| Riddell | Lure: got any time to add those as patches today? | 03:54 |
| === ScottK recalls testing last minute Kmail IMAP "fixes" for Feisty and weeps. | ||
| Lure | Riddell: later tonight I could look into it | 03:54 |
| Lure | Riddell: so it would be 26 + svn patches (instead of new snapshot tarball), right? | 03:55 |
| Riddell | yeah, no new .orig, just put them in debian/patches | 03:55 |
| Lure | ScottK: which feisty fixes? | 03:55 |
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| ScottK | The ones Riddell decided not to upload after things went kind of sideways. I don't recall the details. It's just a vague blur of pain. | 03:56 |
| === Lure hugs ScottK | ||
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 03:57 |
| === Lure got similar pain when enterprise started in gutsy | ||
| ScottK | Yeah. Sounds about right. | 03:58 |
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| StFS | Riddell: thanks for your "super fast" response to my email (the qt4 bug on xinerama)... so do I understand this correctly... can we expect a fix before gutsy is out (or somehow as a part of a bugfix update on gutsy)? | 04:33 |
| Riddell | StFS: yes, it should be compiling now, let me know when 4.3.2-0ubuntu3 appears for you to test | 04:34 |
| StFS | Riddell: actually I'm still on feisty :-/ | 04:34 |
| StFS | but plan to upgrade when gutsy is released... but some of the guys that commented are using gutsy and I can contact them and ask them to test this for you... would you want them to report back to the bug report (as a comment) or here? | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | bug comment tends to be easier | 04:37 |
| StFS | yup... I'll request that they keep an eye out for this and test it ASAP | 04:38 |
| StFS | thanks again for the quick response | 04:38 |
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| StFS | Riddell: just one last question... what is the policy with bugs like these for older releases like feisty? Would this not warrant an update (at least in some repository)? It's not a big deal for me at all since I plan to upgrade to gutsy very soon... I'm just curious. | 04:44 |
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| Riddell | StFS: it could be updated in feisty, but it's hassle and takes time | 04:48 |
| StFS | yeah... probably not worth it... very few apps that use it | 04:49 |
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| fdoving | yay, opensuse have a nice kdm theme. | 06:01 |
| fdoving | even with the userlist. | 06:02 |
| DaSkreech | They are generally pretty good about polish | 06:02 |
| fdoving | too bad they are .rpm | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | nick their polish, add it to ours. | 06:03 |
| fdoving | too opensuse-ish. | 06:05 |
| fdoving | it's green with branding. | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | and then change it | 06:06 |
| ScottK | green/blue and opensuse/Kubuntu and off to the races ... | 06:07 |
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| DaSkreech | Hi Hobbsee | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 06:33 |
| DaSkreech | Would it make sense to have a user suggestion wiki page for kubuntu? | 06:34 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: Only if someone is going to look at it and care. | 06:34 |
| DaSkreech | once a release cycle :) | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: where i go deleting them every few release cycles? | 06:35 |
| DaSkreech | something like that :) | 06:36 |
| ScottK | cycles/days, sure. | 06:36 |
| DaSkreech | Guess it would make more sense once we start shipping KDE4 | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | guess it would make sense when we actually care about user feedback. | 06:37 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: +1 | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as we dont particularly now - especially feature requests, because we dont have the resources to do them. | 06:38 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: we don't (yet)? | 06:40 |
| Jucato | ah didn't read the last sentence | 06:40 |
| Jucato | I think DaSkreech is volunteering for the job | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: we do somewhat - but the poeple wanting to implement features tend to want to do whatever they like | 06:41 |
| Hobbsee | yes, DaSkreech can fix it all | 06:41 |
| === Jucato has reasons he very rarely suggests anything :) | ||
| Jucato | hm.. brb... | 06:41 |
| DaSkreech | Shazam! | 06:43 |
| DaSkreech | I wonder if elicitation would help | 06:45 |
| DaSkreech | What happened to the bounties program? | 06:45 |
| ScottK | Help what? Help us care about what the users want? | 06:45 |
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| DaSkreech | wb Jucato | 06:56 |
| Jucato | thanks | 06:57 |
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| Jucato | hm.. anyway.. good night :) | 07:00 |
| === DaSkreech laughs | ||
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| DaSkreech | does KDPF have a presenatation mode? | 07:43 |
| DaSkreech | Never mind :) Ctrl+Shift+P | 07:43 |
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| nixternal | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3016 | 08:49 |
| nixternal | pretty nice results there | 08:49 |
| === ScottK slaps the one that voted for Xandros. | ||
| jpatrick | tied with suse.. | 08:52 |
| mhb | nixternal: 39 votes ... not a reliable amount of people, but it's nice :o) | 08:52 |
| jpatrick | mhb: 41 here :) | 08:52 |
| DaSkreech | When was the last time that Knoppix released? | 08:54 |
| manchicken | It's only a matter of time before someone starts cheating :) | 08:54 |
| nixternal | ScottK: sorry, that was me :p | 08:55 |
| ScottK | Actually I started with Xandros, so I shouldn't knock it so much, but it's not what it used to be (even for newbies). | 08:56 |
| nixternal | I need to start working on updating my blog..I am going to make a change from the general community junk to more Kubuntu and KDE stuff only...so that means, I need to revamp my theme and start pimping KDE and Kubuntu much harder than I have | 08:57 |
| nixternal | so, for a start, in order to rid myself of anything brown, I have started using nixternal@kubuntu.org full-time, so change that in your address books | 08:57 |
| === DaSkreech votes for fedora | ||
| nixternal | ouch, their current KDE is foogly | 08:58 |
| nixternal | dude, I had to use it at UIC this weekend, and their KPDF doesn't do presentation mode | 08:59 |
| ScottK | For a second I thought "rid myself of anything brown" was a euphamism (or however you spell that word) for something I didn't want to know anything about. | 08:59 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 08:59 |
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| nixternal | well, people see my @ubuntu.com email address, they start asking why gnome does this or that, and it is hard being polite 99% of the time | 08:59 |
| manchicken | Heh | 08:59 |
| nixternal | its funny, these same people who complain about it, always rip on KDE....and what I have been noticing, especially this weekend, all KDE rips weren't even researched before they started | 09:01 |
| nixternal | and I will be damned, everyone at UIC was freakin' usin' Gentoo | 09:02 |
| nixternal | so I started out my talk with "how many of you hear have ripped out the back seat of your honda for 5 extra horsepower? how many have more than 15 stickers that are related to top quality racing parts, which aren't in use with your car?" :D | 09:03 |
| nixternal | Samir didn't say anything...pwnd | 09:03 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: are you saying that Gnome rips are researched? | 09:06 |
| nixternal | heh, at least valid :) | 09:06 |
| nixternal | like the whole "kde is to cartoony for me" | 09:06 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/NOT_KARTOONY.jpg | 09:07 |
| nixternal | then I showed them my desktop, and nobody said it was cartoony, but the same people who call it cartoon are the same ones with wobbly windows | 09:07 |
| DaSkreech | sorry what were you saying? | 09:07 |
| === DaSkreech chuckles to himself | ||
| === nixternal punches DaSkreech in the stomach...can't chuckle now can you | ||
| nixternal | :) | 09:07 |
| === DaSkreech cries to himself | ||
| ScottK | Note to outside observers: nixternal lives in Chicago and in Chicago punching only in the stomach counts as being nice and polite. | 09:09 |
| manchicken | No, he's from the suburbs. | 09:09 |
| ScottK | Close enough. | 09:09 |
| manchicken | No, because in the suburbs they're used to coming in, taking what they want, and then leaving :) | 09:09 |
| DaSkreech | Knock the Windy outta ya City? | 09:10 |
| manchicken | Taking the benefits without dealing with the problems :) | 09:10 |
| manchicken | So he'll be nice and polite while punching you in the stomach. | 09:10 |
| manchicken | But then he'll bugger off and refuse to help when you start coughing up blood :) | 09:11 |
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| nixternal | ya, I moved out of the city into the burbs to get away from traffic...to bad it didn't work | 09:13 |
| manchicken | Nope. | 09:13 |
| nixternal | actually, I moved out of DC to the Chicago burbs :) | 09:13 |
| manchicken | You didn't get away from the traffic, you just got away from where they try to do something about the traffic :) | 09:14 |
| nixternal | I will have to say though, it was a quick 30 minute drive to UIC on Saturday leaving at 9:30am...that I have never done before unless it was at 2am | 09:14 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: kdepim with fixes from svn: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/gutsy/kdepim.debdiff | 09:20 |
| Riddell | rocking | 09:21 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: test packages also in my ppa (source there has one :wq file too many ;-)) | 09:21 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: works ok for me, the drag crash is must have | 09:21 |
| Riddell | great, thanks | 09:23 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: I've started booting an old kernel to get around freezes | 09:23 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: sent you a kubuntu.org patch | 09:32 |
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| DaSkreech | Hi hunger | 10:28 |
| hunger | Ho there. | 10:28 |
| ScottK | Hey there? | 10:28 |
| DaSkreech | No no ho here | 10:29 |
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