[02:34] <DaSkreech> Yup it crashes when I mouse over the taskbar with surprising frequency
[02:36] <DaSkreech> anyone in gutsy?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Beta 3 got pushed back
[02:48] <bddebian> Heya
[02:48] <DaSkreech> hey
[02:49] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Running Gutsy?
[02:49] <bddebian> One one machine, yes
[02:50] <DaSkreech> Fairly up to date?
[02:50] <bddebian> dist-upgrading as we speak :-)
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Ok when you are done can you go to System Settings -> Monitor -> Adminstrator mode  and confirm that it can't change the resolution ?
[02:52] <bddebian> Well that machine is ubuntu not kubuntu
[02:53] <bddebian> Or do you thin it's an xorg issue?
[02:54] <DaSkreech> I do
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Alt+ctrl++ && alt+ctrl+- don't work
[03:10] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[03:11] <Jucato> evening jjesse! :)
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[03:11] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[03:11] <Jucato> reloading?
[03:11] <jjesse> new laptop from work and trying to set it back up
[03:12] <Jucato> aw...
[03:12] <Jucato> (yay for new laptop, boo for setting up again and again)
[03:12] <jjesse> i leave for a confrence tomorrow and have to have it all up and running
[03:13] <Jucato> yikes! double boo
[03:13] <jjesse> yeah totally
[03:13] <jjesse> you might be able to replace !nixternal with !jjesse as it is dual booting vista
[03:14] <Jucato> but you don't love it as much as he does
[03:14] <Jucato> so it stays :)
[03:17] <jjesse> grin
[03:17] <Jucato> double double grin
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> whats so exciting?
[03:18] <jjesse> laughing at me reloading my laptop
[03:18] <DaSkreech> triple grins
[03:18] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Gutsy?
[03:19] <Jucato> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Running gutsy?
[03:19] <Jucato> yeah
[03:19] <DaSkreech> relatively up to date?
[03:19] <Jucato> yes
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Freezes?
[03:19] <Jucato> yep
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah me too
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Ok when you are done can you go to System Settings -> Monitor -> Adminstrator mode  and confirm that it can't change the resolution ?
[03:20] <Jucato> the error is: run command: /sbin/modprobe abnormal exit
[03:20] <Jucato> I've never been able to change resolutions using displayconfig :)
[03:20] <Jucato> besides, theoretically you shouldn't have to go to Admin mode to change res
[03:21] <Jucato> by never, I mean, ever since there was displayconfig iirc
[03:21] <DaSkreech> I know I saw that as well But Decided to do admin just to make sure that I was able to
[03:21] <Jucato> maybe once or twice I was able to... but extremely rare
[03:21] <DaSkreech> I changed the resolution to waht it is with it
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> display config always worked for me...
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> when i'm not running XGL
[03:22] <Jucato> lucky lucky :)
[03:22] <jjesse> just updated my gutsy and noticed in system settings things don't size correctly
[03:22] <Jucato> maybe on my laptop I will better luck :)
[03:22] <jjesse> example is user management takes qabout 5 lines
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> not really, if I was luck and LUCKY, I wouldn't need XGL
[03:22] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I got a new res
[03:30] <jjesse> ok quick question: whats the best way to get all of my emails out of kmail w/o losing anything?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: there is a DIR in .kde/share/apps/kmail
[03:32] <jjesse> copy the whole directory?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> yeah... why not ;)
[03:32] <Jucato> yep
[03:32] <Jucato> might as well copy kmail config files too
[03:33] <jjesse> onq
[03:33] <Jucato> so that you could keep your filters and other settings
[03:33] <jjesse> doh
[03:33] <Jucato> onq?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> can I pass two commands to a ssh session?
[03:33] <jjesse> was typing konq in katapult but messed up
[03:33] <DaSkreech> konq :)
[03:33] <jjesse> ok so i need the .kde/share/apps/kmail folder?
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: yeah... that has your mail in it
[03:34] <Jucato> and probably ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc and related *mail* files in there
[03:34] <jjesse> should i just copy my whole ./kde/share directory?
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: cpy your whole .kde ;)
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> that way you won't lose your contacts either
[03:35] <Jucato> why not copy all of ~ :D
[03:36] <DaSkreech> and /etc :)
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> and /
[03:36] <Jucato> and.. and.. aw.. just dd!
[03:36] <DaSkreech> and /..
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> and run a wget http://www.*.*/* in the process
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Beta 3 got pushed back
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> to tomorrow?
[03:39] <Jucato> to be tagged today
[03:39] <Jucato> it *was* pushed back last week. but tagging is Oct 8
[03:39] <Jucato> (which is today here)
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Will be soon here
[03:54] <jjesse> ok copying entire /.kde/share folder
[03:54] <jjesse> lets see if that works
[03:54] <jjesse> i have 30+ gig of vms to copy over :(
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: thats why you have a /home...
[03:55] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: what?
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> separate /home that is
[03:56] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: switching laptops so a separate /home wouldn't help would it?
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> jjesse:  oh :)
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> .me has been PWN3d
[03:56] <jjesse> grin :) :)
[04:03] <jjesse> ok i copied over my folder and now some of my messages show up as no subject, unkown sender, unknown date and no information in the body
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> oh...fun..
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: I think there is a way to back up your data in kmail
[04:04] <jjesse> ok?
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> hmmm maybe there isn't
[04:06] <jjesse> wow that sucks
[04:07] <Jucato> very...
[04:07] <Jucato> I found it extremely hard to migrate most kdepim stuff... but mail most specially
[04:07] <jjesse> so its just a hit or miss if you get your email when you migrate from one computer to another
[04:07] <jjesse> seems very poor
[04:10] <jjesse> so its basically a crap shoot if you get 6 months + of email out of a system
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> .kde always made everything migrate fine..
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> if I cpoied the whole DIR
[04:12] <jjesse> i've always had problems with some emails missing
[04:13] <Jucato> but imho, the fact that it's inconsistent is itself enough to worry about
[04:25] <jjesse> ok more then halfway done copying files
[04:26] <jjesse> just have to make sure everything gets installed correctly
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Hooray powercuts
[05:01] <DaSkreech> And a freeze
[05:04] <coreymon77> is this full freeze?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:06] <DaSkreech> hold on let me see if I get the same modprobe error as Jucato
[05:06] <coreymon77> whens stable comming?
[05:06] <Jucato> 18 Oct
[05:06] <coreymon77> nice
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Jucato: hey
[05:33] <Jucato> yo?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Do you have kernel logs in Ksystemlog ?
[05:35] <Jucato> no. I believe that's a bug
[05:35] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:35] <DaSkreech> just checking
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No modprobe errors in Kernel log for me
[05:43] <Jucato> I removed quiet and splash from the GRUB entry to see that
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It freezes on startup?
[05:45] <Jucato> as early as booting the kernel
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Oh
[05:54] <DaSkreech> no
[05:54] <DaSkreech>  My boots are randomly hours after boot
[05:55] <DaSkreech>  and mostly when there is a tooltip on the screen
[05:55] <DaSkreech>  well the Info ballons from the taskbar
[05:55] <DaSkreech>  whatever they are clled
[05:55] <DaSkreech> called
[07:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: poke me
[07:57] <Jucato> s/can/should/
[07:57] <Tm_T> hmh
[07:57] <Jucato> I can poke you... but dunno if I should...
[07:57] <Tm_T> good thinking ;)
[10:41] <DaSkreech> Jucato: When do you expect 4.1 to ship?
[10:41] <Jucato> that depends on when 4.0 ships... :)
[10:41] <Jucato> but I don't want to even think about 4.1 for now
[10:41] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato!
[10:41] <_StefanS_> and all others
[10:41] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: dont mind my messy code in kdmtheme btw,.. you will probably do it alot better :)
[10:42] <Jucato> _StefanS_: that's a big PROBABLY
[10:42] <Jucato> maybe in 2010
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well if i've had some more time, i would probably have been more satisfied with it
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but hey, it works,
[10:43] <Jucato> we'll have more time for Heron :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> yep
[10:45] <Jucato> if I only had all the skills i need, I want to focus on making Heron the most stable Kubuntu release ever...
[10:46] <Jucato> hm... I'm going on a triaging spree next week maybe...
[10:46] <_StefanS_> yes and if I got paid I would ditch my dayjob and do kubuntu 100% :)
[10:46] <Jucato> I don't mind not being paid at this point in time yet :)
[10:46] <Jucato> but maybe next month...
[10:49] <Jucato> hm.. wonder where Hobbsee is... it's not like her not to be here for a whole day..
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Were you looking for a MB?
[10:52] <Jucato> MB?
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Motherboard
[10:53] <Jucato> nope
[10:53] <DaSkreech> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869
[10:53] <Jucato> I'm looking for money... anyone has some to spare?
[11:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nope. I heard rumors about sabdfl making some comments about OO.o though
[11:04] <Jucato> (sorry, thought it might be OT for #k)
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Right sorry
[11:04] <DaSkreech>  sleepy
[11:05] <Jucato> hehe better sleep, for a few minutes
[11:05] <DaSkreech> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/10/03/openoffice-org-community-conflict-leads-to-fragmentation
[11:05] <Jucato> power naps
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Maybe koffice will get a sugar daddy :)
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Naw I'll probably jsut skip work tomorrow
[11:05] <Jucato> boo :P
[11:05] <Jucato> nah I dont' think sabdfl's going to use a KDE solution
[11:06] <DaSkreech> I don't care about sabdfl
[11:06] <DaSkreech> And he probably uses it already
[11:06] <DaSkreech>  his Main comp is a Kubuntu one i think
[11:06] <DaSkreech> though his laptop is ubuntu and he does travel a lot
[11:06] <Jucato> sabdfl's the only viable sugar daddy for Kubuntu :)
[11:06] <Jucato> he rarely uses his desktop afaik
[11:06] <Jucato> so saying that he has Kubuntu there isn't really... much :)
[11:06] <Jucato> sorry
[11:06] <DaSkreech> In anycase Koffice is good solution but it a) doesn't run on Windows and b) gets no corporate support
[11:07] <DaSkreech> KDE4 takes care of a)
[11:07] <DaSkreech> Hopefully a fragmented OO.o will raise the Koffice visibilty
[11:07] <Jucato> there's a c)
[11:08] <Jucato> but no, I don't glory in the failure of OO.o... it's failure is going to scar FOSS, whether you like OO.o or not
[11:08] <Jucato> (the c) is MS Office format support)
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Which can be helped by b
[11:08] <DaSkreech> And would be a main focus of b I think
[11:08] <Jucato> depends though...
[11:08] <Jucato> he who codes decides.. and they who code decided not :)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> I don't glory in the failure of something that visible either but I've been saying that Oo.o needs to stop having money put in it's lap a long time ago
[11:09] <DaSkreech> It's waht saved Mozilla
[11:09] <DaSkreech>  It's what will save Oo.o
[11:09] <DaSkreech> It's not a community project by any stretch
[11:10] <Jucato> I think there's a similar danger w/ ODF and IBM iirc
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Then again I said Java would be better by being open source but probably didn'y need it so what do I know
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Hmm? what danger?
[11:11] <Jucato> iirc, IBM has a sort of promise not to enforce its patents on ODF as long as it is part of the group that works on it
[11:11] <Jucato> my memory's a bit sketchy on that one
[11:11] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah
[11:11] <DaSkreech> It sold those to ODSL so that should be ok
[11:12] <Jucato> dangnabit!! :(
[11:12] <Jucato> sorry different issue
[11:13] <DaSkreech> naw don't worry about it
[11:14] <DaSkreech>  every few months i have to go over all the tech news and resort things out in my head
[11:14] <Jucato> Windows seems to have nuked my 2nd usb card reader
[11:14] <DaSkreech>  like Smolt
[11:14] <Jucato> no really... different issue :)
[11:15] <DaSkreech> Ah
[11:16] <DaSkreech> In any case Koffice does at least three thigns better than OO.o does now so hopefully someone will start pointing at it as something to look into
[11:17] <DaSkreech> rather than the Gnome office
[11:17] <Jucato> GO only beats it in the cross-platform department
[11:17] <Jucato> tbh, KOffice is one of the very *very* and I mean very few KDE apps I really want ported to other platforms
[11:17] <DaSkreech> No GO is pretty neat but it's not unified by any means
[11:17] <DaSkreech> OO.o killed it dead
[11:18] <Jucato> last time I tried Abiword (last year?), it couldn't open ODT
[11:18] <DaSkreech> Abiword is pretty agile they'll get it in
[11:18] <Jucato> and pretty small.... that's an advantage.
[11:18] <DaSkreech> but Abiword getting ODT doesn't mean that Gnumeric will have ODC
[11:18] <Jucato> but there are only really 3 apps in GO...
[11:18] <DaSkreech> They are neat apps but a mess as a suite
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah there were more but as I said OO.o came about
[11:19] <Jucato> it's not even a suite afaik... it's just 3 apps combined because of the "office" tag
[11:19] <Jucato> http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/ only three :)
[11:19] <Jucato> no presentation software either :)
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah As I said
[11:20] <DaSkreech> OO.o is a GO killer
[11:20] <Jucato> just wanted to make you repeat it :)
[11:20] <Jucato> for the 3rd time
[11:20] <Tm_T> KOffice <3
[11:20] <Jucato> KOffice <3 <3 <3 >3 :P
[11:21] <DaSkreech> they were getting things together to build a suite and climbed over the top of the hill to crescendo music and a giant Code base with a club and one eye standing in the Shadow of the Sun
[11:21] <DaSkreech> (fine fine pun intended)
[11:23] <DaSkreech> But having tried to make headway into OO.o I have to say they are very stubborn about letting people get into it
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Run By FSF
[11:24] <Jucato> not necessarily.. just !Sun
[11:25] <Jucato> I just really wish KOffice would get better support for MS Office formats (no, RTF doesn't count)...
[11:25] <DaSkreech> I've given up use of them mostly so I'm ok
[11:26] <DaSkreech> Well
[11:26] <DaSkreech> bedtime
[11:26] <Jucato> you have... I have too... but the other people around me haven't
[01:14] <_StefanS_> seems like that Gdebi frontend doesn't really handle multiple selected *deb files.....
[01:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell:  would be nice if it did?+
[01:14] <_StefanS_> but I guess thats a feature ;)
[01:14] <_StefanS_> so ....
[01:14] <Riddell> sounds like it
[01:14] <Riddell> mhb is the man to ask
[01:15] <_StefanS_> mhb: you there?
[01:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: to push it?
[01:17] <Riddell> he wrote gdebi-kde
[01:40] <Jucato> bug 133810 seems to be still in effect...
[01:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133810 in kde-guidance "package guidance-backends 0.8.0svn20070727-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes', which is also in package kde-guidance" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133810
[01:42] <Riddell> if that's the only overlapping file problem on a dist-upgrade from feisty I'll be surprised :)
[01:42] <Jucato> hehe
[01:43] <Jucato> that's so far the only one stopping me. completely fresh feisty install upgrading to gutsy
[01:43] <Jucato> krazy aren't I? :)
[01:44] <Riddell> well, easily fixed
[01:44] <Riddell> Jucato: you're testing using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:45] <Jucato> I first ran adept_manager --version-upgrade. but sometime during my peaceful slumber it seems to have crashed without leaving a clue whatsoever
[01:45] <Jucato> tried to continue through adept_updater, which fails because of that bug
[01:45] <Jucato> so had to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends
[01:46] <Riddell> Jucato: can you look at the end of the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade for a backtrace?
[01:46] <Jucato> ok gonna check
[01:46] <Jucato> which file? apt.log, main.log or man_pre_req.log?
[01:47] <Riddell> all of them
[01:49] <Jucato> hm ok... going to try to put them up somewhere
[01:50] <Jucato> grr!! i hate it when I boot the laptop and forget to push the wireless button :(
[01:56] <Jucato> Riddell: http://jucato.org/stuff/apt.log and http://jucato.org/stuff/main.log and http://jucato.org/stuff/main_pre_req.log
[02:07] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.8... why does KDE always catch us offguard? :(
[02:07] <ScottK> Jucato: IIRC Riddell new it was coming and decided not to bother so late in the cycle.
[02:08] <Jucato> ScottK: yeah. it was kinda rhetorical in a way :)
[02:08] <ScottK> OK.
[02:09] <ScottK> Jucato: A more whimsical answer is so that Riddell won't be bored after the Gutsy release (he can do Gutsy 3.5.8 packages).
[02:09] <Riddell> it's only happened once before
[02:09] <Riddell> and it's still unclear if it can get in or no
[02:09] <ScottK> Riddell: If you need testing, please let me know.
[02:09] <Riddell> aby kontact users?
[02:09] <Riddell> Lure!
[02:10] <Lure> hi Riddell
[02:10] <Lure> just back from week of sailing
[02:10] <Jucato> hi Lure! :)
[02:10] <Jucato> oooh sailing :)
[02:10] <Lure> hi Jucato
[02:10] <Riddell> Lure: I uploaded what was in your PPA, dunno if that was a good idea or no
[02:11] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/150536 just arrived
[02:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150536 in kdepim "status setting isn't saved" [Undecided,New] 
[02:11] <Lure> Riddell: it looked good for me, but I tested it only for half a dat before I left
[02:12] <Jucato> Lure: you're our kdepim guy right? :)
[02:12] <Lure> Riddell: can confirm that bug, but I am not sure this is just last version
[02:12] <Lure> Jucato: just by accident ;-)
[02:12] <Jucato> I have another one for you :)
[02:12] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/149321
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149321 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Basket notes is no longer embedded in kontact!" [Low,Triaged] 
[02:13] <Riddell> Jucato: that was removed because it caused a crash
[02:13] <Lure> Jucato: I just jumped on it when enterprise was completelly useless for my day job ;-)
[02:13] <Jucato> Riddell: ah I see. so it's going to be permanent?
[02:13] <Riddell> until the crash gets fixed
[02:13] <Jucato> ah ok. thanks :)
[02:13] <Lure> Riddell: it may just need rebuild, which Hobbsee already requested
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: they have changed some API/structures, but did not bump ABI
[02:14] <ScottK> Yummy.
[02:15] <Lure> nop, rebuild is not enouh
[02:15] <Lure> enough even
[02:25] <Riddell> 13:21 < ThomasZ> Riddell: my main problem seems to still be present;  using kmail filters to move a mail from the inbox to another folder (using courier or scalix dimap) will incorrectly keep that email there.  Which has the effect that on each sync I get each and every mail again.
[02:26] <Riddell> sigh
[02:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144490 in python-kde3 "autopkgtest gutsy python-kde3: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144490
[02:33] <Riddell> curious indeed
[02:35] <ScottK> Riddell: If you (or anyone else) have a hint about what's wrong, I might take a shot at fixing whatever it is....
[02:35] <Riddell> I've no idea at all
[02:35] <Riddell> and since it's not an actual problem, I wouldn't worry
[02:36] <Riddell> bug 146216 is more of an issue
[02:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146216 in knetworkconf "kde network administration doesn't disable interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146216
[02:49] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> jpatrick!
[02:50] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: got me MOTU back :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:52] <jpatrick> now - back to school
[02:56] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!!!
[02:56] <Jucato> dang missed jpatrick...
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato!
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's 3.5.8 going?
[02:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you weren't on for  24 hours! kinda worried :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hm, yeah, guess i wasnt.   28, in fact.
[02:57] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh, and smashed my car in the process.
[02:58] <Jucato> wth!?! :(
[02:58] <Hobbsee> so yeah, kinda eventful!
[02:58] <Hobbsee> his car has more damage :P
[02:59] <Jucato> who's paying? :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> um, dunno yet
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: coolo is still tagging it
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i smashed into him, but he really shouldnt have been going that way.  so...unsure.
[03:01] <Jucato> oh... :/
[03:17] <Lure> Riddell: is ThomasZ message recent? I though it is scalix specific and that it was worked on in #kontact
[03:21] <Riddell> Lure: yes, today
[03:21] <Riddell> Lure: he is using scalix
[03:21] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks for the very quick fix to that guidance bug :)
[03:21] <Lure> Riddell: I do not have that problem (dimap on MS exchange) and we have other testers on imap
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya
[03:51] <manchicken> Howdy.
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi manchicken
[03:51] <manchicken> My system76 is sick :(
[03:51] <manchicken> It's out for warranty repair.  Backlight stopped coming on.
[03:51] <Jucato> hi bddebian, manchicken!
[03:51] <Riddell> Lure: so stick with the 20070926 version for gutsy you think?
[03:53] <Lure> Riddell: yes, there are some fixes beyond that in svn though
[03:53] <Lure> Riddell: 4 commits, all fixes for kolab issues
[03:54] <Riddell> Lure: got any time to add those as patches today?
[03:54] <Lure> Riddell: later tonight I could look into it
[03:55] <Lure> Riddell: so it would be 26 + svn patches (instead of new snapshot tarball), right?
[03:55] <Riddell> yeah, no new .orig, just put them in debian/patches
[03:55] <Lure> ScottK: which feisty fixes?
[03:56] <ScottK> The ones Riddell decided not to upload after things went kind of sideways.  I don't recall the details.  It's just a vague blur of pain.
[03:57] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:58] <ScottK> Yeah.  Sounds about right.
[04:33] <StFS> Riddell: thanks for your "super fast" response to my email (the qt4 bug on xinerama)... so do I understand this correctly... can we expect a fix before gutsy is out (or somehow as a part of a bugfix update on gutsy)?
[04:34] <Riddell> StFS: yes, it should be compiling now, let me know when 4.3.2-0ubuntu3 appears for you to test
[04:34] <StFS> Riddell: actually I'm still on feisty :-/
[04:36] <StFS> but plan to upgrade when gutsy is released... but some of the guys that commented are using gutsy and I can contact them and ask them to test this for you... would you want them to report back to the bug report (as a comment) or here?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> bug comment tends to be easier
[04:38] <StFS> yup... I'll request that they keep an eye out for this and test it ASAP
[04:38] <StFS> thanks again for the quick response
[04:44] <StFS> Riddell: just one last question... what is the policy with bugs like these for older releases like feisty? Would this not warrant an update (at least in some repository)? It's not a big deal for me at all since I plan to upgrade to gutsy very soon... I'm just curious.
[04:48] <Riddell> StFS: it could be updated in feisty, but it's hassle and takes time
[04:49] <StFS> yeah... probably not worth it... very few apps that use it
[06:01] <fdoving> yay, opensuse have a nice kdm theme.
[06:02] <fdoving> even with the userlist.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> They are generally pretty good about polish
[06:02] <fdoving> too bad they are .rpm
[06:03] <Hobbsee> nick their polish, add it to ours.
[06:05] <fdoving> too opensuse-ish.
[06:05] <fdoving> it's green with branding.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> and then change it
[06:07] <ScottK> green/blue and opensuse/Kubuntu and off to the races ...
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[06:33] <Hobbsee> hiya
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Would it make sense to have a user suggestion wiki page for kubuntu?
[06:34] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Only if someone is going to look at it and care.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> once a release cycle :)
[06:35] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: where i go deleting them every few release cycles?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> something like that :)
[06:36] <ScottK> cycles/days, sure.
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Guess it would make more sense once we start shipping KDE4
[06:37] <Hobbsee> guess it would make sense when we actually care about user feedback.
[06:38] <ScottK> Hobbsee: +1
[06:38] <Hobbsee> seeing as we dont particularly now - especially feature requests, because we dont have the resources to do them.
[06:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: we don't (yet)?
[06:40] <Jucato> ah didn't read the last sentence
[06:40] <Jucato> I think DaSkreech is volunteering for the job
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we do somewhat - but the poeple wanting to implement features tend to want to do whatever they like
[06:41] <Hobbsee> yes, DaSkreech can fix it all
[06:41] <Jucato> hm.. brb...
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Shazam!
[06:45] <DaSkreech> I wonder if elicitation would help
[06:45] <DaSkreech> What happened to the bounties program?
[06:45] <ScottK> Help what?  Help us care about what the users want?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> wb Jucato
[06:57] <Jucato> thanks
[07:00] <Jucato> hm.. anyway.. good night :)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> does KDPF have a presenatation mode?
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Never mind :) Ctrl+Shift+P
[08:49] <nixternal> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3016
[08:49] <nixternal> pretty nice results there
[08:52] <jpatrick> tied with suse..
[08:52] <mhb> nixternal: 39 votes ... not a reliable amount of people, but it's nice :o)
[08:52] <jpatrick> mhb: 41 here :)
[08:54] <DaSkreech> When was the last time that Knoppix released?
[08:54] <manchicken> It's only a matter of time before someone starts cheating :)
[08:55] <nixternal> ScottK: sorry, that was me :p
[08:56] <ScottK> Actually I started with Xandros, so I shouldn't knock it so much, but it's not what it used to be (even for newbies).
[08:57] <nixternal> I need to start working on updating my blog..I am going to make a change from the general community junk to more Kubuntu and KDE stuff only...so that means, I need to revamp my theme and start pimping KDE and Kubuntu much harder than I have
[08:57] <nixternal> so, for a start, in order to rid myself of anything brown, I have started using nixternal@kubuntu.org full-time, so change that in your address books
[08:58] <nixternal> ouch, their current KDE is foogly
[08:59] <nixternal> dude, I had to use it at UIC this weekend, and their KPDF doesn't do presentation mode
[08:59] <ScottK> For a second I thought "rid myself of anything brown" was a euphamism (or however you spell that word) for something I didn't want to know anything about.
[08:59] <nixternal> hahahaha
[08:59] <nixternal> well, people see my @ubuntu.com email address, they start asking why gnome does this or that, and it is hard being polite 99% of the time
[08:59] <manchicken> Heh
[09:01] <nixternal> its funny, these same people who complain about it, always rip on KDE....and what I have been noticing, especially this weekend, all KDE rips weren't even researched before they started
[09:02] <nixternal> and I will be damned, everyone at UIC was freakin' usin' Gentoo
[09:03] <nixternal> so I started out my talk with "how many of you hear have ripped out the back seat of your honda for 5 extra horsepower? how many have more than 15 stickers that are related to top quality racing parts, which aren't in use with your car?" :D
[09:03] <nixternal> Samir didn't say anything...pwnd
[09:06] <DaSkreech> nixternal: are you saying that Gnome rips are researched?
[09:06] <nixternal> heh, at least valid :)
[09:06] <nixternal> like the whole "kde is to cartoony for me"
[09:07] <DaSkreech> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/NOT_KARTOONY.jpg
[09:07] <nixternal> then I showed them my desktop, and nobody said it was cartoony, but the same people who call it cartoon are the same ones with wobbly windows
[09:07] <DaSkreech> sorry what were you saying?
[09:07] <nixternal> :)
[09:09] <ScottK> Note to outside observers: nixternal lives in Chicago and in Chicago punching only in the stomach counts as being nice and polite.
[09:09] <manchicken> No, he's from the suburbs.
[09:09] <ScottK> Close enough.
[09:09] <manchicken> No, because in the suburbs they're used to coming in, taking what they want, and then leaving :)
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Knock the Windy outta ya City?
[09:10] <manchicken> Taking the benefits without dealing with the problems :)
[09:10] <manchicken> So he'll be nice and polite while punching you in the stomach.
[09:11] <manchicken> But then he'll bugger off and refuse to help when you start coughing up blood :)
[09:13] <nixternal> ya, I moved out of the city into the burbs to get away from traffic...to bad it didn't work
[09:13] <manchicken> Nope.
[09:13] <nixternal> actually, I moved out of DC to the Chicago burbs :)
[09:14] <manchicken> You didn't get away from the traffic, you just got away from where they try to do something about the traffic :)
[09:14] <nixternal> I will have to say though, it was a quick 30 minute drive to UIC on Saturday leaving at 9:30am...that I have never done before unless it was at 2am
[09:20] <Lure_> Riddell: kdepim with fixes from svn: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/gutsy/kdepim.debdiff
[09:21] <Riddell> rocking
[09:21] <Lure_> Riddell: test packages also in my ppa (source there has one :wq file too many ;-))
[09:21] <Lure_> Riddell: works ok for me, the drag crash is must have
[09:23] <Riddell> great, thanks
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I've started booting an old kernel to get around freezes
[09:32] <jpatrick> Riddell: sent you a kubuntu.org patch
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[10:28] <hunger> Ho there.
[10:28] <ScottK> Hey there?
[10:29] <DaSkreech> No no ho here