=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-51.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Yup it crashes when I mouse over the taskbar with surprising frequency [02:36] anyone in gutsy? [02:42] Beta 3 got pushed back === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] Heya [02:48] hey [02:49] Heya DaSkreech [02:49] Running Gutsy? [02:49] One one machine, yes [02:50] Fairly up to date? [02:50] dist-upgrading as we speak :-) [02:51] Ok when you are done can you go to System Settings -> Monitor -> Adminstrator mode and confirm that it can't change the resolution ? [02:52] Well that machine is ubuntu not kubuntu [02:53] Or do you thin it's an xorg issue? [02:54] I do [02:54] Alt+ctrl++ && alt+ctrl+- don't work === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.183.33] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zanav26 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-d459d8f9eb1ec533] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] morning Jucato [03:11] evening jjesse! :) [03:11] Hi Jucato === jjesse is sick of reloading his laptop ;( [03:11] hi DaSkreech [03:11] reloading? === Jucato imagines putting bullets in the laptop [03:11] new laptop from work and trying to set it back up [03:12] aw... [03:12] (yay for new laptop, boo for setting up again and again) [03:12] i leave for a confrence tomorrow and have to have it all up and running [03:13] yikes! double boo [03:13] yeah totally [03:13] you might be able to replace !nixternal with !jjesse as it is dual booting vista [03:14] but you don't love it as much as he does [03:14] so it stays :) === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-125.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] grin [03:17] double double grin [03:18] whats so exciting? [03:18] laughing at me reloading my laptop [03:18] triple grins [03:18] Jucato: Gutsy? [03:19] DaSkreech: what do you mean? [03:19] Running gutsy? [03:19] yeah === Jucato has problems with the 2.6.22-13 kernel though [03:19] relatively up to date? [03:19] yes [03:19] Jucato: Freezes? [03:19] yep [03:20] Yeah me too [03:20] Ok when you are done can you go to System Settings -> Monitor -> Adminstrator mode and confirm that it can't change the resolution ? [03:20] the error is: run command: /sbin/modprobe abnormal exit [03:20] I've never been able to change resolutions using displayconfig :) [03:20] besides, theoretically you shouldn't have to go to Admin mode to change res === nosrednaekim wishes he had DSL so he could help debug this. [03:21] by never, I mean, ever since there was displayconfig iirc [03:21] I know I saw that as well But Decided to do admin just to make sure that I was able to [03:21] maybe once or twice I was able to... but extremely rare [03:21] I changed the resolution to waht it is with it [03:22] display config always worked for me... [03:22] when i'm not running XGL [03:22] lucky lucky :) [03:22] just updated my gutsy and noticed in system settings things don't size correctly [03:22] maybe on my laptop I will better luck :) [03:22] example is user management takes qabout 5 lines [03:22] not really, if I was luck and LUCKY, I wouldn't need XGL [03:22] jjesse: I got a new res === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-78-8.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:30] ok quick question: whats the best way to get all of my emails out of kmail w/o losing anything? [03:32] jjesse: there is a DIR in .kde/share/apps/kmail [03:32] copy the whole directory? [03:32] yeah... why not ;) [03:32] yep [03:32] might as well copy kmail config files too [03:33] onq [03:33] so that you could keep your filters and other settings [03:33] doh [03:33] onq? [03:33] can I pass two commands to a ssh session? [03:33] was typing konq in katapult but messed up [03:33] konq :) [03:33] ok so i need the .kde/share/apps/kmail folder? [03:34] jjesse: yeah... that has your mail in it === DaSkreech hugs his not working print screen button [03:34] and probably ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc and related *mail* files in there [03:34] should i just copy my whole ./kde/share directory? [03:35] jjesse: cpy your whole .kde ;) [03:35] that way you won't lose your contacts either [03:35] why not copy all of ~ :D [03:36] and /etc :) [03:36] and / [03:36] and.. and.. aw.. just dd! [03:36] and /.. [03:37] and run a wget http://www.*.*/* in the process [03:38] Beta 3 got pushed back [03:38] to tomorrow? [03:39] to be tagged today [03:39] it *was* pushed back last week. but tagging is Oct 8 [03:39] (which is today here) [03:40] Will be soon here === apachelogger_ [n=me@N840P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] ok copying entire /.kde/share folder [03:54] lets see if that works [03:54] i have 30+ gig of vms to copy over :( [03:55] jjesse: thats why you have a /home... [03:55] nosrednaekim: what? [03:56] separate /home that is [03:56] nosrednaekim: switching laptops so a separate /home wouldn't help would it? [03:56] jjesse: oh :) [03:56] .me has been PWN3d === nosrednaekim hides under rock [03:56] grin :) :) === Jucato lifts the rock... boo! === nosrednaekim ..... is PWN3D again [04:03] ok i copied over my folder and now some of my messages show up as no subject, unkown sender, unknown date and no information in the body [04:04] oh...fun.. [04:04] jjesse: I think there is a way to back up your data in kmail [04:04] ok? [04:05] hmmm maybe there isn't [04:06] wow that sucks [04:07] very... [04:07] I found it extremely hard to migrate most kdepim stuff... but mail most specially [04:07] so its just a hit or miss if you get your email when you migrate from one computer to another [04:07] seems very poor === Jucato nods [04:10] so its basically a crap shoot if you get 6 months + of email out of a system [04:11] .kde always made everything migrate fine.. [04:11] if I cpoied the whole DIR [04:12] i've always had problems with some emails missing === Jucato always had a hit or miss === nosrednaekim always hit [04:13] but imho, the fact that it's inconsistent is itself enough to worry about [04:25] ok more then halfway done copying files [04:26] just have to make sure everything gets installed correctly === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.1.167] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [04:39] Hooray powercuts === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A720DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] And a freeze [05:04] is this full freeze? [05:05] Yes [05:06] hold on let me see if I get the same modprobe error as Jucato [05:06] whens stable comming? [05:06] 18 Oct [05:06] nice [05:33] Jucato: hey [05:33] yo? [05:34] Do you have kernel logs in Ksystemlog ? [05:35] no. I believe that's a bug [05:35] ok [05:35] just checking [05:42] Jucato: No modprobe errors in Kernel log for me [05:43] I removed quiet and splash from the GRUB entry to see that [05:45] Jucato: It freezes on startup? [05:45] as early as booting the kernel [05:54] Oh [05:54] no [05:54] My boots are randomly hours after boot [05:55] and mostly when there is a tooltip on the screen [05:55] well the Info ballons from the taskbar [05:55] whatever they are clled [05:55] called === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars_ [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.1.167] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB1059.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian_ [n=milian@p57BB373B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato wonders who he can poke/ask about guidance-backends... :( === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.246.199] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:56] Jucato: poke me [07:57] s/can/should/ [07:57] hmh [07:57] I can poke you... but dunno if I should... [07:57] good thinking ;) === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C2FD62.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === amachu [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === amachu_ [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino_ [n=bart@fireext.wenk.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:41] Jucato: When do you expect 4.1 to ship? [10:41] that depends on when 4.0 ships... :) [10:41] but I don't want to even think about 4.1 for now [10:41] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato! [10:41] <_StefanS_> and all others [10:41] hi _StefanS_! [10:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: dont mind my messy code in kdmtheme btw,.. you will probably do it alot better :) [10:42] _StefanS_: that's a big PROBABLY [10:42] maybe in 2010 [10:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well if i've had some more time, i would probably have been more satisfied with it [10:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but hey, it works, [10:43] we'll have more time for Heron :) [10:44] <_StefanS_> yep [10:45] if I only had all the skills i need, I want to focus on making Heron the most stable Kubuntu release ever... [10:46] hm... I'm going on a triaging spree next week maybe... [10:46] <_StefanS_> yes and if I got paid I would ditch my dayjob and do kubuntu 100% :) [10:46] I don't mind not being paid at this point in time yet :) [10:46] but maybe next month... [10:49] hm.. wonder where Hobbsee is... it's not like her not to be here for a whole day.. [10:52] Jucato: Were you looking for a MB? [10:52] MB? [10:52] Motherboard [10:53] nope [10:53] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869 [10:53] I'm looking for money... anyone has some to spare? === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:04] DaSkreech: nope. I heard rumors about sabdfl making some comments about OO.o though [11:04] (sorry, thought it might be OT for #k) [11:04] Right sorry [11:04] sleepy [11:05] hehe better sleep, for a few minutes [11:05] http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/10/03/openoffice-org-community-conflict-leads-to-fragmentation [11:05] power naps [11:05] Maybe koffice will get a sugar daddy :) [11:05] Naw I'll probably jsut skip work tomorrow [11:05] boo :P [11:05] nah I dont' think sabdfl's going to use a KDE solution [11:06] I don't care about sabdfl === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:06] And he probably uses it already [11:06] his Main comp is a Kubuntu one i think [11:06] though his laptop is ubuntu and he does travel a lot [11:06] sabdfl's the only viable sugar daddy for Kubuntu :) [11:06] he rarely uses his desktop afaik [11:06] so saying that he has Kubuntu there isn't really... much :) [11:06] sorry [11:06] In anycase Koffice is good solution but it a) doesn't run on Windows and b) gets no corporate support [11:07] KDE4 takes care of a) [11:07] Hopefully a fragmented OO.o will raise the Koffice visibilty [11:07] there's a c) [11:08] but no, I don't glory in the failure of OO.o... it's failure is going to scar FOSS, whether you like OO.o or not [11:08] (the c) is MS Office format support) [11:08] Which can be helped by b [11:08] And would be a main focus of b I think [11:08] depends though... [11:08] he who codes decides.. and they who code decided not :) [11:09] I don't glory in the failure of something that visible either but I've been saying that Oo.o needs to stop having money put in it's lap a long time ago [11:09] It's waht saved Mozilla [11:09] It's what will save Oo.o [11:09] It's not a community project by any stretch [11:10] I think there's a similar danger w/ ODF and IBM iirc [11:10] Then again I said Java would be better by being open source but probably didn'y need it so what do I know [11:10] Jucato: Hmm? what danger? [11:11] iirc, IBM has a sort of promise not to enforce its patents on ODF as long as it is part of the group that works on it [11:11] my memory's a bit sketchy on that one [11:11] Oh yeah [11:11] It sold those to ODSL so that should be ok [11:12] dangnabit!! :( [11:12] sorry different issue [11:13] naw don't worry about it [11:14] every few months i have to go over all the tech news and resort things out in my head [11:14] Windows seems to have nuked my 2nd usb card reader [11:14] like Smolt [11:14] no really... different issue :) === Jucato is having hardware dramas [11:15] Ah [11:16] In any case Koffice does at least three thigns better than OO.o does now so hopefully someone will start pointing at it as something to look into [11:17] rather than the Gnome office [11:17] GO only beats it in the cross-platform department [11:17] tbh, KOffice is one of the very *very* and I mean very few KDE apps I really want ported to other platforms [11:17] No GO is pretty neat but it's not unified by any means [11:17] OO.o killed it dead [11:18] last time I tried Abiword (last year?), it couldn't open ODT [11:18] Abiword is pretty agile they'll get it in [11:18] and pretty small.... that's an advantage. [11:18] but Abiword getting ODT doesn't mean that Gnumeric will have ODC [11:18] but there are only really 3 apps in GO... [11:18] They are neat apps but a mess as a suite === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] Yeah there were more but as I said OO.o came about [11:19] it's not even a suite afaik... it's just 3 apps combined because of the "office" tag [11:19] http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/ only three :) [11:19] no presentation software either :) [11:20] Yeah As I said [11:20] OO.o is a GO killer [11:20] just wanted to make you repeat it :) [11:20] for the 3rd time [11:20] KOffice <3 === Tm_T hides [11:20] KOffice <3 <3 <3 >3 :P [11:21] they were getting things together to build a suite and climbed over the top of the hill to crescendo music and a giant Code base with a club and one eye standing in the Shadow of the Sun [11:21] (fine fine pun intended) [11:23] But having tried to make headway into OO.o I have to say they are very stubborn about letting people get into it === Jucato wonders if there will be a FreeOffice soon :) [11:24] Run By FSF [11:24] not necessarily.. just !Sun [11:25] I just really wish KOffice would get better support for MS Office formats (no, RTF doesn't count)... [11:25] I've given up use of them mostly so I'm ok [11:26] Well [11:26] bedtime [11:26] you have... I have too... but the other people around me haven't === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@WL-POOL00-23.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ [n=me@N939P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@189.Red-81-36-194.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars is now known as marseillai === haggai_ [n=halls@213.165.247.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doelman [n=doelman@h8441166215.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === amachu_ is now known as amachu [01:14] <_StefanS_> seems like that Gdebi frontend doesn't really handle multiple selected *deb files..... [01:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: would be nice if it did?+ [01:14] <_StefanS_> but I guess thats a feature ;) [01:14] <_StefanS_> so .... [01:14] sounds like it [01:14] mhb is the man to ask [01:15] <_StefanS_> mhb: you there? [01:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: to push it? [01:17] he wrote gdebi-kde [01:40] bug 133810 seems to be still in effect... [01:40] Launchpad bug 133810 in kde-guidance "package guidance-backends 0.8.0svn20070727-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes', which is also in package kde-guidance" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133810 [01:42] if that's the only overlapping file problem on a dist-upgrade from feisty I'll be surprised :) [01:42] hehe [01:43] that's so far the only one stopping me. completely fresh feisty install upgrading to gutsy === Jucato actually just installed feisty to test the upgrade again (and again) [01:43] krazy aren't I? :) [01:44] well, easily fixed [01:44] Jucato: you're testing using apt-get dist-upgrade? [01:45] I first ran adept_manager --version-upgrade. but sometime during my peaceful slumber it seems to have crashed without leaving a clue whatsoever [01:45] tried to continue through adept_updater, which fails because of that bug [01:45] so had to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends [01:46] Jucato: can you look at the end of the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade for a backtrace? [01:46] ok gonna check [01:46] which file? apt.log, main.log or man_pre_req.log? [01:47] all of them [01:49] hm ok... going to try to put them up somewhere [01:50] grr!! i hate it when I boot the laptop and forget to push the wireless button :( [01:56] Riddell: http://jucato.org/stuff/apt.log and http://jucato.org/stuff/main.log and http://jucato.org/stuff/main_pre_req.log [02:07] KDE 3.5.8... why does KDE always catch us offguard? :( [02:07] Jucato: IIRC Riddell new it was coming and decided not to bother so late in the cycle. [02:08] ScottK: yeah. it was kinda rhetorical in a way :) [02:08] OK. [02:09] Jucato: A more whimsical answer is so that Riddell won't be bored after the Gutsy release (he can do Gutsy 3.5.8 packages). [02:09] it's only happened once before [02:09] and it's still unclear if it can get in or no [02:09] Riddell: If you need testing, please let me know. [02:09] aby kontact users? [02:09] Lure! [02:10] hi Riddell === ScottK uses Kontact. [02:10] just back from week of sailing [02:10] hi Lure! :) [02:10] oooh sailing :) [02:10] hi Jucato [02:10] Lure: I uploaded what was in your PPA, dunno if that was a good idea or no [02:11] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/150536 just arrived [02:11] Launchpad bug 150536 in kdepim "status setting isn't saved" [Undecided,New] [02:11] Riddell: it looked good for me, but I tested it only for half a dat before I left [02:12] Lure: you're our kdepim guy right? :) [02:12] Riddell: can confirm that bug, but I am not sure this is just last version [02:12] Jucato: just by accident ;-) [02:12] I have another one for you :) [02:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/149321 [02:12] Launchpad bug 149321 in kdepim "[Gutsy] Basket notes is no longer embedded in kontact!" [Low,Triaged] [02:13] Jucato: that was removed because it caused a crash [02:13] Jucato: I just jumped on it when enterprise was completelly useless for my day job ;-) [02:13] Riddell: ah I see. so it's going to be permanent? [02:13] until the crash gets fixed [02:13] ah ok. thanks :) [02:13] Riddell: it may just need rebuild, which Hobbsee already requested === Jucato was going krazy over the weekend thinking it was his fault :P [02:14] Riddell: they have changed some API/structures, but did not bump ABI [02:14] Yummy. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.1.167] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] nop, rebuild is not enouh [02:15] enough even [02:25] 13:21 < ThomasZ> Riddell: my main problem seems to still be present; using kmail filters to move a mail from the inbox to another folder (using courier or scalix dimap) will incorrectly keep that email there. Which has the effect that on each sync I get each and every mail again. [02:26] sigh === ScottK is curious for thoughts on Bug #144490. Apparently the patch applies fine in a pbuilder, but not in iwj's environment.... [02:29] Launchpad bug 144490 in python-kde3 "autopkgtest gutsy python-kde3: erroneous package!" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144490 === jpatrick [n=patrick@133.Red-88-24-239.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] curious indeed [02:35] Riddell: If you (or anyone else) have a hint about what's wrong, I might take a shot at fixing whatever it is.... [02:35] I've no idea at all [02:35] and since it's not an actual problem, I wouldn't worry [02:36] bug 146216 is more of an issue [02:36] Launchpad bug 146216 in knetworkconf "kde network administration doesn't disable interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146216 === mars [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:49] hi Hobbsee [02:49] jpatrick! [02:50] Hobbsee: got me MOTU back :) [02:50] yay! [02:52] now - back to school === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-81-201.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] hi Hobbsee!!! [02:56] dang missed jpatrick... [02:56] Jucato! === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] Riddell: how's 3.5.8 going? [02:57] Hobbsee: you weren't on for 24 hours! kinda worried :) [02:57] Jucato: hm, yeah, guess i wasnt. 28, in fact. [02:57] hehe :) === Hobbsee went to a friends place, came home, slept, went to uni, went to work, covered work's ass (yet) again, adn tehn came home [02:57] oh, and smashed my car in the process. [02:58] wth!?! :( [02:58] so yeah, kinda eventful! [02:58] his car has more damage :P [02:59] who's paying? :) [03:00] um, dunno yet [03:00] Hobbsee: coolo is still tagging it [03:00] Riddell: ah [03:01] Jucato: i smashed into him, but he really shouldnt have been going that way. so...unsure. [03:01] oh... :/ === mars [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] Riddell: is ThomasZ message recent? I though it is scalix specific and that it was worked on in #kontact === neversfelde_ [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db450ce.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] Lure: yes, today [03:21] Lure: he is using scalix [03:21] Riddell: thanks for the very quick fix to that guidance bug :) === Jucato waits for the fix to hit the servers [03:21] Riddell: I do not have that problem (dimap on MS exchange) and we have other testers on imap === manchicken [n=manchick@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles_ [n=pgquiles@66.Red-81-39-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:50] Heya [03:51] Howdy. [03:51] Hi manchicken [03:51] My system76 is sick :( [03:51] It's out for warranty repair. Backlight stopped coming on. [03:51] hi bddebian, manchicken! [03:51] Lure: so stick with the 20070926 version for gutsy you think? [03:53] Riddell: yes, there are some fixes beyond that in svn though [03:53] Riddell: 4 commits, all fixes for kolab issues [03:54] Lure: got any time to add those as patches today? === ScottK recalls testing last minute Kmail IMAP "fixes" for Feisty and weeps. [03:54] Riddell: later tonight I could look into it [03:55] Riddell: so it would be 26 + svn patches (instead of new snapshot tarball), right? [03:55] yeah, no new .orig, just put them in debian/patches [03:55] ScottK: which feisty fixes? === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443da.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] The ones Riddell decided not to upload after things went kind of sideways. I don't recall the details. It's just a vague blur of pain. === Lure hugs ScottK [03:57] Hi Jucato === Lure got similar pain when enterprise started in gutsy [03:58] Yeah. Sounds about right. === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C2FD62.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@fireext.wenk.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-138-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.52.122] has joined #kubuntu-devel === StFS [n=stefan@194-144-6-113.du.xdsl.is] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] Riddell: thanks for your "super fast" response to my email (the qt4 bug on xinerama)... so do I understand this correctly... can we expect a fix before gutsy is out (or somehow as a part of a bugfix update on gutsy)? [04:34] StFS: yes, it should be compiling now, let me know when 4.3.2-0ubuntu3 appears for you to test [04:34] Riddell: actually I'm still on feisty :-/ [04:36] but plan to upgrade when gutsy is released... but some of the guys that commented are using gutsy and I can contact them and ask them to test this for you... would you want them to report back to the bug report (as a comment) or here? [04:37] bug comment tends to be easier [04:38] yup... I'll request that they keep an eye out for this and test it ASAP [04:38] thanks again for the quick response === pgquiles__ [n=pgquiles@175.Red-81-32-4.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB3BE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB3BE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] Riddell: just one last question... what is the policy with bugs like these for older releases like feisty? Would this not warrant an update (at least in some repository)? It's not a big deal for me at all since I plan to upgrade to gutsy very soon... I'm just curious. === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Vaelen [n=andrew@ppp-70-135-65-108.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] StFS: it could be updated in feisty, but it's hassle and takes time [04:49] yeah... probably not worth it... very few apps that use it === jpatrick [n=patrick@133.Red-88-24-239.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vlo [n=valentin@80-219-4-3.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEFB2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] yay, opensuse have a nice kdm theme. [06:02] even with the userlist. [06:02] They are generally pretty good about polish [06:02] too bad they are .rpm [06:03] nick their polish, add it to ours. [06:05] too opensuse-ish. [06:05] it's green with branding. [06:06] and then change it [06:07] green/blue and opensuse/Kubuntu and off to the races ... === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vlo [n=valentin@80-219-4-3.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:33] Hi Hobbsee [06:33] hiya [06:34] Would it make sense to have a user suggestion wiki page for kubuntu? [06:34] DaSkreech: Only if someone is going to look at it and care. [06:35] once a release cycle :) [06:35] DaSkreech: where i go deleting them every few release cycles? [06:36] something like that :) [06:36] cycles/days, sure. [06:36] Guess it would make more sense once we start shipping KDE4 [06:37] guess it would make sense when we actually care about user feedback. [06:38] Hobbsee: +1 [06:38] seeing as we dont particularly now - especially feature requests, because we dont have the resources to do them. [06:40] Hobbsee: we don't (yet)? [06:40] ah didn't read the last sentence [06:40] I think DaSkreech is volunteering for the job [06:41] Jucato: we do somewhat - but the poeple wanting to implement features tend to want to do whatever they like [06:41] yes, DaSkreech can fix it all === Jucato has reasons he very rarely suggests anything :) [06:41] hm.. brb... [06:43] Shazam! [06:45] I wonder if elicitation would help [06:45] What happened to the bounties program? [06:45] Help what? Help us care about what the users want? === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.231.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech smiles === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:56] wb Jucato [06:57] thanks === Lure [n=lure@89.212.183.108] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:00] hm.. anyway.. good night :) === DaSkreech laughs === neversfelde_ [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443da.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uga [n=uga@77.Red-83-42-39.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uga [n=uga@unaffiliated/uga] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] does KDPF have a presenatation mode? 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