[12:39] <markgreene> CPrompt^: Thought it dosn't make sense to me. That option is under the "Edit" menu
[12:42] <LiMaO> could anyone do me a favor? i need to know if a site is having problems with the java applet or if it's just me. https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/login.jsp?aapf.IDH=sim  --> does the java applet load and show some numbers??
[12:45] <CPrompt^> gan|y|med : fixed it.  I just downloaded the previous package from the ubuntu site and installed it.  Thanks though
[12:46] <spartako> hi
[12:46] <spartako> does anyone like f1?
[12:47] <LiMaO> could anyone do me a favor? i need to know if a site is having problems with the java applet or if it's just me. https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/login.jsp?aapf.IDH=sim  --> does the java applet load and show some numbers??
[12:48] <twilight_> Ive got a Emachines laptop w/ alsa installed and a ATI AC'97 Sound Controler and no sound
[12:48] <twilight_> Any ideas?
[12:49] <gan|y|med> CPrompt^: sorry about mising the sudo. i usually do sudo bash and don't care about it any mroe
[12:49] <CPrompt^> gan|y|med : no worries.  I knew to use sudo :)
[12:50] <CPrompt^> twilight : do you have system sound?
[12:50] <twilight_> no sound at all
[12:53] <twilight_> Ive got Ubuntu Ultimate 1.5
[12:55] <s> #join v4l
[12:56] <s> #join v4l
[12:57] <CPrompt^> twilight : in the sound center, are any of the options "mutted"?
[12:58] <s> #join DVB
[12:58] <s> join #v4l
[12:58] <s> join #dvb
[01:01] <feierfox> help me!
[01:01] <feierfox> i 'm bored!
[01:01] <feierfox> :O
[01:02] <feierfox> sudo apt-get friends doenst work :(
[01:02] <ScorpKing> bored people go here - http://uncyclopedia.org/
[01:02] <ScorpKing> feierfox: that should do ^
[01:03] <feierfox> i hope gutsy+1 will have KDE4 :/
[01:03] <spartako> does anyone knows how configure moto4lin with motorola v3?
[01:03] <feierfox> but as LTS... :(
[01:09] <neversfelde> feierfox: I do not think so :( http://www.kubuntu-de.org/english/interview-riddell-about-kde4
[01:10] <tombar_> anyone knows the name of the app thats use to change volumen with function key?
[01:11] <MemeT> s.a
[01:12] <MemeT> turk varm aranzda
[01:13] <MemeT>  :(
[01:16] <Dragnslcr> feierfox- KDE4 will be available for Gutsy (it's actually available for Feisty, but it's a bit more work to install), but it won't be installed by default
[01:16] <feierfox> yeah, my nick was ... :O
[01:23] <maverick_> anyone has any idea how can i increase my fesity's drive size , if i want to increase it by taking part from other ntfs drive ?!
[01:25] <Pollywog> okay I now have WPA working in wifi but how to I allow my laptop to ALSO work at an Internet cafe?  By having to interfaces files?
[01:25] <Pollywog> two*
[01:26] <mrj> whats the name of the taskbar that puts the icons at the bottom of the screen like in osx?
[01:26] <mrj> http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/59189-2.jpg < - example
[01:26] <Pollywog> maverick maybe gparted can help
[01:27] <Pollywog> you can run gparted from the LIVE CD
[01:27] <Pollywog> or qtparted
[01:28] <naught101> anyone know if it's possible to "replace" new line characters in Kate. or Kwrite, or Quanta?
[01:28] <Pollywog> mrj: you mean kicker?
[01:30] <mrj> pollywog; yeah thats it isnt it
[01:33] <ZeroSpinBoson> Is there any way to get firefox to ask you before it uses flash?
[01:34] <crimsun> it does so in gutsy's version.
[01:34] <carwash^> ZeroSpinBoson: there's a addon called something like noflash
[01:34] <ZeroSpinBoson> carwash^: Does that disable it entirely or does it just make it ask me?
[01:36] <ekrengel> does anyone know how to add a linux machine into a windows local admin group?
[01:39] <RiverGate> how long till gutsy's official release? 10 days?
[01:42] <Dragnslcr> ZeroSpinBoson- get the FlashBlock extension
[01:42] <ekrengel> will this only work if im on a domain?
[01:43] <ZeroSpinBoson> Dragnslcr: I got it! Thanks a bunch!
[02:03] <gerardo> hello
[02:18] <draik> What can I use to trim video?
[02:18] <draik> I want to take a clip from something that I have.
[02:18] <romuloo> anybody use Eclipse here?
[02:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've considered it
[02:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> right now i'm using jbuilder because i have to, but i wouldn't mind going straight to eclipse
[02:20] <usser> romuloo: not that i use it much i had it installed one time though )
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> i do have it installed
[02:21] <romuloo> java developmente (and much more) => Eclipse :)
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Laptop, you have a Dellbuntu, don't you?
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> that i do
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> 1420n
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's up?
[02:21] <romuloo> better...
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> Ordered one for my girlfriend last week
[02:22] <romuloo> this message: "QFile::writeBlock: File not open"
[02:22] <romuloo> anybody knows?
[02:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dragnslcr: they're actually quite nice in my opinion
[02:22] <Dragnslcr> Is it configured sanely, or should I plan on wiping the disk and doing the partitioning myself?
[02:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, that could be an issue
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> i consider it sane for a laptop
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> there's a recovery partition and everything else is /
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> so home is on the same partition as /
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> however, reinstalling is a bit tricky because the live cd doesn't work with the santa rosa chipset in these
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> could go alternate
[02:23] <Dragnslcr> Bleh, really?
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> but the best bet is to download the "remastered" dellbuntu cd
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i can get you a link real quick
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> Thanks
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> Think the 7.10 LiveCD will work, or is not fixable on the Ubuntu end?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.04#Dell_Remastered_Ubuntu_7.04_ISO
[02:25] <hsystem-x> I know that, this is a kubuntu support only channel, anybody know the specific package to install kde 4, kde4-dev?
[02:25] <draik> I have KINO, but that only seems to work with DV formats
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh, it's probably fixable
[02:25] <hsystem-x> !kde4
[02:25] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i would imagine it's probably getting better all the time
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> in fact, i would go so far as to say you have to admit it's getting better
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> So it's just a hardware support issue that should get fixed eventually?
[02:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i've just proven i listen to too much beatles :\
[02:26] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[02:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, just hardware support
[02:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's an issue with all of the latest centrino duo laptops with the santa rosa platform
[02:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> what model did you order for her/
[02:27] <Dragnslcr> 1420N laptop
[02:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> you'll be happy
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> I was a bit confused, I think the pages said both Core 2 Duo and Centrino
[02:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> same thing
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> I'm not sure how Intel has been naming stuff lately
[02:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> centrino is the mobile platform
[02:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> core 2 duo is the processor, santa rosa is the code name for the platform/chipset
[02:29] <Dragnslcr> So the iso from Dell's site should work as a live CD?
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> I'd probably want to separate /home on its own partition. I have a habit of breaking systems
[02:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> live, i don't know
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Especially if I try to install/upgrade to 7.10
[02:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes, it's live :)
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> Her 4-year-old Dell laptop only has a 30 GB hard drive, and the new one is 160 GB, so I think partitioning would be a good idea
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh yeah
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> 20gb for the os, home on the rest
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> Plus I got her a 320 GB external to try to get everything off her dying laptop
[02:32] <draik> Is October 18 still the release date for 7.10
[02:32] <draik> ?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> check #ubuntu+1 :)
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I'm only using about 3 out of 50 GB on my / partition, so 20 GB should be plenty for her
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> Have you tried running Compiz-Fusion? I figure she'd like the ooh-shiny.
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes but.
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> (that seems to be the recurring theme here)
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> you'll be fine installing from the remastered cd
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> as it stands, by default, it uses the i810 driver
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> which the 965 has grown out of
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> the remastered cd should use the -intel driver instead
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> which will be far smoother
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> after that, smooth sailing
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm beta testing gutsy on here now, with compiz fusion and tons of eye candy, and it works *great*
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Know offhand if the newer driver is in the repos?
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> the only problem is, every time i update compiz, it re-blacklists the 965, so i have to go in and comment out that line in /usr/bin/compiz
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[02:37] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-intel: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.9.94-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 183 kB, installed size 492 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> would appear so :)
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> Only available for those processors? What's not in that list...
[02:39] <hydester> anybody know why Firefox 2 on Windows XP on my computer is much faster in navigating/rendering than the same version on Kubuntu on the same machine?
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm not seeing anything
[02:39] <nemesis> which file do i need to edit to have a hard drive automount at boot?
[02:39] <hydester> it appears to be running the 686 kernel
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> nemesis- /etc/fstab
[02:39] <nemesis> Dragnslcr: thanks
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> hydester: you can find out for sure by doing 'uname -r'
[02:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> and it's hard to say
[02:40] <hydester> 2.6.22-13-generic
[02:40] <DaSkreech> hydester: Firefox is a  Windows application
[02:40] <hydester> but -a says SMP i686
[02:40] <hydester> Firefox is for windows ported to Linux?
[02:40] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Ido- I've been using compiz.real for a while now. The /usr/bin/compiz script that was in Trevino's repository was messed up for a while
[02:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> this isn't from trevino's though
[02:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> firefox was cross-platform from the start...  you might have more luck with iceweasel
[02:41] <Dragnslcr> I've heard Gutsy is another huge improvement. Really looking forward to it
[02:42] <human> gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggunit
[02:43] <hydester> i'm on gutsy beta.
[02:43] <human> i've realized that i have a REAL talent
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> Hm, the default partitioning from Dell puts swap and / on logical partitions
[02:43] <human> god damn... my brain is so good
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> I'm still a bit scared of logical partitions after what I went through with one of my Windows hard drives
[02:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> what, talent for holding down a key?
[02:44] <human> yes
[02:44] <human> i have no talent on that
[02:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> by the way...
[02:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> !language > human
[02:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> !coc > human
[02:44] <nemesis> ok how do i add a ext3 drive (/dev/sdb5) into /etc/fstab?
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> I wonder if I should set up something like rsync to backup everything to her external hard drive
[02:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> you can just use keep
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Oh yeah, I forgot about that
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Tells you how good I am at keeping backups
[02:47] <human> ok
[02:47] <human> thx
[02:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm getting ready to embark on a massive backup of my own.  looking like about 30 dvds of mp3s >_>
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> !info keep
[02:48] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 202 kB, installed size 1156 kB
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> Is keep more or less a frontend for rsync?
[02:48] <nemesis> ok how do i add a ext3 drive (/dev/sdb5) into /etc/fstab?
[02:49] <DaSkreech> can I pass two commands to a ssh sessio?
[02:50] <draik> !lives
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lives - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <DaSkreech> !1up
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <human> !ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggunit
[02:52] <DaSkreech> human: One more time and you will be kicked from the channel
[02:53] <DaSkreech> !offtopic | human. If you just want to chat we have a room for that
[02:53] <ubotu> human. If you just want to chat we have a room for that: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:53] <draik> !botsnack
[02:53] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:56] <nemesis> ok how do i add a ext3 drive (/dev/sdb5) into /etc/fstab?
[03:01] <ghozala> hay which one is better cross over or wine
[03:04] <ghozala> hay anybody here
[03:04] <Minataku> Not for the last 8 minutes
[03:05] <Minataku> As for your question, it depends what you're doing
[03:05] <DaSkreech> human: !fstab
[03:05] <Minataku> WINE is good for general tasks
[03:05] <ghozala> which is better wine or cross over
[03:05] <Minataku> CrossOffice for Office apps
[03:06] <Minataku> Cedega for games
[03:06] <ghozala> for runing director 8 exe cds and ares
[03:06] <Minataku> WINE should be fine
[03:06] <Minataku> At the very least, try it first
[03:06] <Minataku> Because WINE is $free
[03:06] <ghozala> ok thanks man
[03:06] <Minataku> np
[03:08] <ghozala> Minataku: one more question plz
[03:09] <ghozala> do u know how to mak compiz-fusion icon run on start up
[03:09] <Minataku> No, sorry, I don't
[03:09] <waltercool> im trying to do a dvd with 6 different distros, how can i do that? using grub o something... i need load the .iso or something :S someone know?
[03:14] <draik> waltercool: I think it would be best to do that on a HDD and then ghost the HDD to the DVD.
[03:15] <waltercool> is a great idea really, but u know how point grub to the installers?
[03:17] <human> seriously, i've realized that what's required is maturity
[03:18] <DaSkreech> waltercool: Make a menu I would guess
[03:18] <human> dudes, do you think kde looks beter than vista?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> human: configured correctly, yes, I think it can
[03:18] <human> nosrednaekim, ok
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> Vista has only one look, KDE can look like anything
[03:19] <intelikey> what's wring with rm that it can't clean out one dir ???  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/40027
[03:19] <hydrogen> intelikey: you have too many files!
[03:20] <hydrogen> intelikey: find /var/cache/apt/archives -maxdepth 1 -exec rm {} +
[03:20] <waltercool> DaSkreech: But menu need point to some file :S
[03:20] <intelikey> hydrogen i can read the error message as well as you.    again i say what's wrong with "rm"  it should not be limited to less files than you can put in one dir.
[03:20] <DaSkreech> waltercool: yeah. This has been done before you can search for it on the web
[03:21] <Minataku> hydester: You seem to know the find command
[03:21] <hydrogen> intelikey: theres a kernel or a sysctl limit somewhere afaik
[03:21] <Minataku> Er... hydrogen
[03:21] <hydrogen> about max arg length
[03:21] <Minataku> Finish one of my assignments for me
[03:21] <Minataku> lol
[03:21] <hydrogen> the arg length is a bashism I think?
[03:21] <intelikey> hmmm ulimit maybe ?
[03:21] <waltercool> DaSkreech: has been done?
[03:22] <intelikey> that would affect ls as well    no ?
[03:22] <DaSkreech> waltercool: Multiple live CD images on a single disk
[03:22] <DaSkreech> can I pass two commands to a ssh session?
[03:22] <hydrogen> intelikey: no.. because you are not passing all the args to ls
[03:23] <waltercool> DaSkreech: But the live CD images are limited
[03:23] <waltercool> i say, is for certain distros
[03:23] <intelikey> yeah.  bash'ism     agreed.
[03:24] <intelikey> another short comming of bash = bloated shell
[03:24] <hydrogen> intelikey: its actually a kernel limit
[03:24] <human> lol plasmoid
[03:25] <hydrogen> "and the explanation: in the linux kernel is the function execve(), which is how all of the other exec() functions (execl, execlp, execle, etc.) are actually implemented. the way it works is by creating a 128K buffer at the top end of the memory space and copying the command line and environment for the new process into this space. it then loads the new program into memory, sets its argv and envp pointers, and jumps to its entry point.
[03:25] <Juacom99> !help
[03:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:25] <hydrogen> google++
[03:26] <bazhang> latest (ubuntu +1) update borked konqueror
[03:26] <intelikey> hydrogen that would have all fit into 128k tho
[03:27] <hydrogen> intelikey: it also needs to fit the environment into it
[03:27] <hydrogen> > there's a lot more to it than that, but the point is that there is a 128K buffer which is the only thing "held" from the parent process to the child. the "Argument list too long" error message is actually the kernel's E2BIG error code, returned when the execve() is not able to fit the supplied argument list and environment into the 128K buffer.
[03:27] <intelikey> bash_completion is disabled here....   thus that shouldn't be a problem.
[03:28] <hydrogen> you still have data set in the environment.. right?
[03:29] <intelikey> interesting.   /bin/echo get's arg list too long but echo doesn't
[03:29] <intelikey> set | wc -c
[03:29] <intelikey> 1096
[03:29] <intelikey> 1k env
[03:30] <Minataku> Ah
[03:30] <Minataku> So the limit IS based on the length, not the number
[03:30] <hydrogen> echo is a bash builtin
[03:30] <hydrogen> so it doesn't get execve called
[03:30] <hydrogen> I don't believe
[03:31] <Minataku> Let's find out
[03:31] <Minataku> execve("/bin/echo", ["echo", "lalala"] , [/* 40 vars */] ) = 0
[03:31] <Minataku> It DOES get called
[03:31] <Minataku> It's the _first_ call, no less
[03:31] <hydrogen> if you call /bin/echo
[03:31] <hydrogen> of course
[03:31] <intelikey> i think i just found something i don't like about linux then.    running all commands as child processes  it fine as long as you don't also make the child env so small it's not usable.
[03:33] <Minataku> How often do you hit this limit?
[03:33] <intelikey> very often
[03:33] <Minataku> I have _one_ case where I have the execve() issue
[03:34] <Minataku> And that's because I have poor sorting habits and consequently too much porn in one folder
[03:34] <hydrogen> I can't see how you would hit it that often
[03:34] <intelikey> i use a work around most of the time.  but i hit that "very often"     don't forget i write a lot of scripts.   use /bin/echo a lot.
[03:34] <DaSkreech> This is the too many args error?
[03:34] <hydrogen> just get accustomed to using xargs or -exec and +
[03:35] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes.  bash: blah: arg list too long
[03:35] <DaSkreech> I normally hit that at /path/to/somewhere/*/*/*
[03:35] <DaSkreech> i can get by with two * before hitting it
[03:36] <intelikey> DaSkreech yeah   touch /path/*   and it errors out...    find /path -exec touch {} ;/
[03:36] <intelikey> but that's slow.
[03:37] <DaSkreech> xarg
[03:37] <hgarcia> has anyone upgraded to kde4?
[03:37] <bazhang> unusable
[03:37] <intelikey> or as the example i first posted.   rm /path/*    and it errors out.
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: I tried it out... its not working very well right now, no panel or menu
[03:38] <hydrogen> intelikey: why not rm -r /path/
[03:38] <intelikey> don't want to rm the dirs  / sub dirs
[03:38] <hydrogen> then you could use find again
[03:38] <hgarcia> hmmm I download kdebase-workspace
[03:38] <digbert> I'm on Ubuntu Feisty Fawn with a Canon Lide 25 scanner. It works fine, but if I disconnect it from one USB port and plug it into another, sane-find-scanner does not recognize any USB scanners.
[03:39] <hydrogen> find /path -type f -maxdepth 1 -exec rm {} \;
[03:39] <digbert> I tried restarting udev after the disconnect, but that didn't seem to fix it.
[03:39] <digbert> Any ideas?
[03:39] <intelikey> i know.  but it's still slow    and a lot of extra typoing   :)
[03:39] <digbert> The only way I've been able to get the scanner to work after switching ports is by restarting, but that means some boot script or the other is run that does what I want.
[03:39] <DaSkreech> intelikey: use a for loop
[03:39] <hgarcia> the next step was tp export and I typed all that and nothing
[03:39] <hydrogen> intelikey: actually.. yea that would be slow.. do it like this instead
[03:40] <hydrogen> find /path -type f -maxdepth 1 -exec rm {} +
[03:40] <hydrogen> that passes the max arg length to rm each time
[03:40] <hgarcia> so you think it's not worth it???
[03:40] <hydrogen> instead of spawning a new process for each file
[03:40] <intelikey> hydrogen and won't tunrcate file names ?
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: not until a next week when beta 3 is released
[03:41] <hydrogen> intelikey: I'm fairly sure it won't
[03:41] <hydrogen> intelikey: its worth a try at least
[03:41] <hgarcia> did you try to exporting to the new paths and all?
[03:41] <intelikey> well   for Q in `letters` ;do rm /path/$Q* ;done  works too.
[03:42] <hydrogen> thats a giant amount of processes again though
[03:42] <hydrogen> one for each file
[03:42] <digbert> Anyone?
[03:42] <intelikey> no  one for each group of files beginning with $Q
[03:42] <Minataku> Hm
[03:43] <Minataku> Maybe you're just a really bad scripter
[03:43] <Minataku> :P
[03:43] <hydrogen> ah
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: ad hominem
[03:43] <hydrogen> I didn't realize letts was supposed to be a command such as that
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> digbert: nope.. sorry, I'm not that techincal ;)
[03:43] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Joke, hello
[03:43] <Minataku> Don't take everything at face value
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> Joke, bye bye
[03:43] <intelikey> hydrogen  ` ` < clue by four
[03:44] <hydrogen> right
[03:44] <hydrogen> but letters isn't a command
[03:44] <hydrogen> at least not here
[03:44] <intelikey> is here  :)
[03:44] <intelikey> handy too.    so is numbers
[03:45] <intelikey> err actually it's  number   no s      but any sum
[03:47] <Minataku> Likely, intelikey, you're asking far too much of the system you're using... try moving from bash scripting to a more powerful language
[03:47] <Minataku> One that's capable of handling everything within itself
[03:47] <Jucato> likely, intelikey... how unlikey...
[03:48] <Minataku> bash scripting isn't exactly meant to be doing massive amounts of text processing
[03:48] <Minataku> IIRC, that's what Perl was made for
[03:48] <ardchoille> Yeah
[03:48] <ardchoille> :)
[03:48] <Minataku> That's also an option
[03:49] <Minataku> In short, you're running into a problem because you're using the wrong tool for the job
[03:50] <savetheWorld> or sed, for less complex  takss
[03:50] <hydrogen> sed will definalty help with 'command too long' errors going to rm!
[03:51] <sub[t] rnl> how d folks
[03:51] <intelikey> Minataku how would python make it easier to   rm /path/*    ???
[03:51] <Juacom99> could someone plese help me in stall bibshelf
[03:51] <Minataku> Though if he's already overloading execve, I'm sure sed will probably also be too low-powered
[03:51] <Minataku> Uh
[03:51] <Minataku> iNiku: Why not just use rm -rf /path/*
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: cause you can put some for's in there.
[03:51] <Minataku> Er
[03:51] <Minataku> intelikey:
[03:51] <hydrogen> he wants to only delete files
[03:51] <sub[t] rnl> Juacom99: what are you having trouble with exactly?
[03:52] <hydrogen> I've given him a find command or two
[03:52] <hydrogen> that could easily be aliased
[03:52] <hydrogen> to be empty path/
[03:52] <hydrogen> or wahtever
[03:52] <Juacom99> i install it i think
[03:52] <intelikey> hydrogen  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/40029   <<< letters
[03:52] <Juacom99> but i can't maki it run :S
[03:53] <Juacom99> i been tryiong all afternoon :S
[03:53] <sub[t] rnl> Juacom99: make sure you have gtkmm-2.4 and libxml++ as they are required
[03:53] <Juacom99> i did
[03:53] <Juacom99> i got gtkmm-2.4 and libxml++ 1.0
[03:54] <intelikey> Minataku Q.  if  rm /path/*   produces the error  bash: arg liengh too long    how would    rm -rf /path/*   be any better ?     also note.    i don't want to rm the subdirs   i don't want -r
[03:54] <Minataku> In that case, remove the -rf
[03:54] <Minataku> It should delete the files and leave the subdirectories
[03:54] <intelikey> circular   hehhe
[03:55] <Minataku> I'm not responsible if I'm wrong though
[03:55] <Minataku> >.>
[03:55] <Minataku> lol
[03:55] <Juacom99> let see
[03:55] <Juacom99> i unpack it
[03:56] <Juacom99> i cd to the directory
[03:56] <intelikey> hydrogen would a simple config/compile of the kernel stop me from hitting that limitation so often ?
[03:56] <Jucato> hydrogen would be a simple what? O.o
[03:56] <Juacom99> i run ./configure
[03:56] <hydrogen> intelikey: nah, it'd probably hack somewhere deep in the source code
[03:56] <hydrogen> that could cause all sorts of unexpected sideeffects
[03:56] <Juacom99> and then i don't know wjat else to do :S
[03:58] <Juacom99> *what
[03:58] <Minataku> I don't think it'd be a hack
[03:58] <Minataku> It would be a change, definitely, possibly as simple as changing a number
[03:58] <Minataku> But then he IS right that there could be various issues
[03:59] <intelikey> Juacom99 did the configure finish without error ?
[03:59] <Minataku> Really, though, I'd just try a different approach
[03:59] <Juacom99> i think so :S
[03:59] <Minataku> Obviously you're using the wrong tool for the job
[03:59] <sub[t] rnl> Juacom99: make and make install have no effect?
[03:59] <savetheWorld> find dirname -type f -print | xargs rm
[03:59] <Juacom99> make don't work
[03:59] <intelikey> !b-e | Juacom99
[03:59] <ubotu> Juacom99: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:00] <Minataku> In this case, it's not a matter of "Perl is overkill", it's a matter of "what you're trying won't work, try something else that will"
[04:00] <Minataku> Either that, or delete things a block at a time
[04:00] <Minataku> With rm /path/[Aa] *
[04:00] <sub[t] rnl> take a look at the INSTALL file located in the bibshelf directory as well
[04:00] <Minataku> And so on
[04:00] <intelikey> Minataku heh.   tubular
[04:01] <Minataku> Which will dramatically cut down the amount of crap passed to execve()
[04:01] <sub[t] rnl> coooome on packers!
[04:01] <sub[t] rnl> :P
[04:01] <Minataku> I do that when I want to view gigantic blocks of things in a directory but they scroll off the screen and I don't want to use | less or anything
[04:02] <intelikey> yeah   that's much better than less      like bash is much better than python and perl    put to gather
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> WHAT?
[04:03] <halycon> hello everyone
[04:03] <intelikey> nosrednaekim it's me.
[04:03] <Minataku> Uh... bash is better than neither of those two
[04:03] <Minataku> At all
[04:03] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Hm... maybe he _IS_ just a bad scripter... :P
[04:03] <halycon> Guys I've got to tell you I am at a loss as to why the sound isnt working in Linux
[04:04] <Juacom99> thanks ubuntu_
[04:04] <Minataku> At the very least, he's a stubborn as... individual
[04:04] <intelikey> halycon will alsamixer  run ?
[04:04] <sub[t] rnl> alsa ftw
[04:04] <Minataku> He's not gonna be happy until his idiotic attempt at a solution works
[04:04] <Minataku> I say terminate support and send him away
[04:04] <Minataku> Next caller
[04:04] <halycon> intelikey - yes and when I play in Amarok or anything it acts as if its playing
[04:05] <halycon> and doesnt give any error messages but I cannot hear anything
[04:05] <intelikey> halycon do you have "powered speakers" ?
[04:05] <jhutchins> halycon: try messing with the ballance control while something's playing.
[04:05] <halycon> yeah
[04:05] <jhutchins> halycon: Of course check all the connections.
[04:05] <Minataku> You see a guy trying to drive a nail with a screwdriver... you offer him a hammer, he refuses, demands that it's better his way.
[04:06] <Minataku> You don't try to convince him the hammer is better, you leave him to wallow in his insanity. :P
[04:06] <halycon> yeah I did that and I went into Windows and it works fine in there
[04:06] <jhutchins> halycon: I have one system where I get no sound untill I move the ballance off center.  Then I can sometimes put it back, sometimes not.
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> halycon: lol... I just have to ask you want your name means, as it was on SAT I took yesterday.
[04:06] <halycon> I dont know if its because I have onboard audio on my other board and a Soundblaster Audigy
[04:06] <Minataku> jhutchins: That sounds like something is badly broken
[04:06] <intelikey> or to make much ado about nothing as some will ignorantly do
[04:06] <DagonIT> I need some help. I screwed the profile. How can fix it?
[04:06] <jhutchins> Minataku: Yeah, but at least with kubuntu I _can_ get sound, with gentoo it was b0rked.
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> DagonIT: what profile?
[04:07] <jhutchins> DagonIT: What profile?
[04:07] <DagonIT> /etc/profile
[04:07] <halycon> well it is a miss spelling of halcyon
[04:07] <halycon> it means tranquil
[04:07] <halycon> or peaceful
[04:07] <Dr_willis> Sound was proberly masked.. :) as being too risky in gentoo...
[04:07] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:07] <Minataku> jhutchins: Well, in Gentoo issues like that are usually due to user error
[04:07] <halycon> its from a orbital song
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> ah.... cool... I got that question right then :)
[04:07] <halycon> the mp3 was spelt wrong
[04:07] <halycon> and I just thought it sounded cool
[04:07] <Minataku> Like you failed to include the proper driver
[04:08] <Minataku> Or you set the USE flags wrong
[04:08] <jhutchins> Minataku: Or to totally screwed up code that nobody has the hardware to test.
[04:08] <jhutchins> Minataku: Multiple issues, all resolved, and still no sound.
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> halycon: anyway... put ALL channels on max and try again
[04:08] <Minataku> jhatlelid: In which case there's no reason it should just magically work in Kubuntu
[04:08] <Minataku> Er
[04:08] <Minataku> jhutchins:
[04:08] <jhutchins> Minataku: Until I installed kubuntu, and move the ballance.
[04:08] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis :D
[04:08] <Dr_willis> Howdy Minataku
[04:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's "from" an orbital song?  something tells me the word 'halcyon' has been around just a teeeeensy bit longer than that
[04:09] <purpleposeidon> What is the sound made by one LCD monitor flashing?
[04:09] <jhutchins> Minataku: It really was bad gentoo code.
[04:09] <jhutchins> Minataku: It's reproducable.
[04:09] <Minataku> jhutchins: Sounds like the hardware is messed up to me, but the issue in Gentoo was more than likely your fault
[04:09] <Minataku> I've done it myself
[04:09] <sub[t] rnl> Dr_willis: heyas
[04:09] <Minataku> lol
[04:09] <jhutchins> Minataku: I think it can also be fixed by doing some other stuff I was doing with that particular install differently, but it was bad code.
[04:09] <jhutchins> No,
[04:09] <jhutchins> Minataku: It wasn't.
[04:09] <Minataku> I had to recompile a NetBSD kernel several times because I left out important things
[04:09] <intelikey> purpleposeidon depends on the state of the listener
[04:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> good evening Minataku, jhutchins, Dr_willis, others that matter
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: yup... I doubt the SAT has words from pop culture ;)
[04:10] <Minataku> Heya, Daisuke_Ido
[04:10] <Dr_willis> The SAT LEET section.
[04:10] <jhutchins> Minataku: Bad code is accumulating in the 2.4 kernel support profiles.
[04:10] <halycon> the strange thing is I had installed an older version of Mandrake before I heard about Kubuntu and my sound worked fine with that
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: I wish..
[04:11] <Minataku> jhutchins: Don't use the gentoo sources
[04:11] <jhutchins> halycon: I can probably explain that in a /msg if you want.
[04:11] <Minataku> Sorry, I was assuming you were using the vanilla sources
[04:11] <jhutchins> Minataku: Moot point, it's a kubuntu system now, and the other gentoo systems die as soon as possible.
[04:11] <Minataku> I do, myself
[04:12] <Minataku> As for why you're using a 2.4 kernel, who knows
[04:12] <jhutchins> Yep.  Whole 'nother deal.
[04:12] <Minataku> Unless the systems are incredibly old, there's no reason to not use a 2.6
[04:12] <jhutchins> Minataku: Yes, there are reasons, but they are not relevant here.
[04:12] <Minataku> I'd like to hear them anyway
[04:13] <jhutchins> -offtopic then.
[04:13] <Minataku> I'm already there
[04:13] <Minataku> intelikey: Sorry BTW, for hassling you
[04:13] <Minataku> It's just a pet peeve of mine when people ask for help then refuse all suggestions :P
[04:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> though there are a couple instances when that's feasible (eg. when the user has already tried those suggestions)
[04:15] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: In this case, he rejected the suggestions to use more powerful scripting languages for script issues he's having trying to do it in bash
[04:15] <OpenSorce> anybody know the best way to get baghira on kubuntu?
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: grab it from the repositories
[04:16] <Minataku> Namely, he's getting E2BIG by overrunning the 128kB limit to execve()
[04:16] <intelikey> Minataku you don't know what you are talking about.
[04:16] <OpenSorce> apt-get install ???
[04:16] <intelikey> and you are talking about me.
[04:16] <intelikey> so why not drop it.
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: indeed
[04:17] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, I'm sorry man....so not used to debian style packaging.....old Slack user.....how do I find out what to apt-get?
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: "apt-cache search <keyword>"
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: there is also the package manager "adept"
[04:18] <funkyfish70> hey guys Im having another problem you guys could also possibly help me with
[04:18] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, thanks man
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> funkyfish70: go ahead
[04:18] <funkyfish70> When I restart my computer a lot of the time it seems to freeze when loading to KDE
[04:19] <funkyfish70> and then what I will sometimes do to get it to work is ill have to push like ALT+F2
[04:19] <funkyfish70> then go back to ALT+F1
[04:19] <funkyfish70> and then in the Alt+F2 session
[04:19] <funkyfish70> I can run startx and sometimes it will load in that session
[04:19] <funkyfish70> but othertimes it appears as though my computer is frozen
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> do you mean "ctrl+alt+f2"?
[04:20] <funkyfish70> so I have to restart it manually
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> funkyfish70: humm thats odd. I don';t think there is a KDE log either.
[04:20] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, apt-cache search baghira yields nada
[04:20] <intelikey> funkyfish70 that's not ati graphics and 64 bit *buntu is it ?
[04:20] <funkyfish70> well that you only have to do if you are in XWindows isnt it
[04:20] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, any other suggestions?
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: then run "apt-get install nada ";)
[04:20] <funkyfish70> no its not actually
[04:21] <funkyfish70> its an older 32 bit machine
[04:21] <funkyfish70> AMD
[04:21] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, LOL!!
[04:21] <funkyfish70> It believe my computer crashed shortly after I installed Kubunutu
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: what version are you using?
[04:21] <funkyfish70> and Xwindows is still messed up from that
[04:21] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, I got a better idea.....how do I make it give me a complete linux install....ya know...sources, headers, includes...
[04:21] <spimort> hi all
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[04:22] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, yeah did that
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> hi spimort
[04:22] <funkyfish70> Im just looking in the Alt+F1 session
[04:22] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, still no includes for X
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[04:22] <hydrogen> OpenSorce: you need to install the -dev/-devel package for most everything
[04:22] <hydrogen> to get that
[04:22] <intelikey> funkyfish70 hmmm ok.     might try   apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg*     and see if it helps.   could be a file messed up or missing possably.
[04:22] <funkyfish70> and from the error message it has it seems as if it was trying to resume from hibernation from what I gather but it wasnt able to so it just said doing normal boot
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: dapper? fiesty?
[04:23] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, well I'm using ssh to get to it via my OS X lappy atm.....any way to tell that from the console?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: lsb_release -a
[04:24] <Minataku> Dr_willis: So, what are you up to tonight?
[04:24] <OpenSorce> 6.06 Dapper
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: ah... thats OLD!
[04:24] <Minataku> Heh
[04:24] <Minataku> Nobody uses the LTS release anymore!
[04:24] <Minataku> lol
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: I don;teven know if dapper had baghira in its repositories
[04:25] <OpenSorce> oh.....will apt-get update do it or do I need to dl a new ISO?
[04:25] <intelikey> xorg-dev xserver-xorg-dev
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: thats alot of updates :) like three whole dist-upgrades.
[04:25] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:25] <Minataku> Mmmm... N64 chipmusic
[04:25] <bazhang> OpenSorce: do you have a separate home directory?
[04:26] <Minataku> It's a shame there are no Linux-native N64 music players
[04:26] <intelikey> OpenSorce those are probably the packages you want. ^
[04:26] <intelikey> xorg-dev xserver-xorg-dev
[04:26] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, ah....wtf am I doing with a version that old
[04:26] <Minataku> But hey, that's what WINE is for
[04:26] <OpenSorce> intelikey, you rock man
[04:26] <bazhang> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade-3x..haha
[04:26] <intelikey> OpenSorce 6.6 is supported still
[04:26] <OpenSorce> bazhang, you mean a separate home partition?
[04:26] <Minataku> intelikey: Either way, sorry for earlier, BTW
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: I'd just wait about 11 days and get gutsy when it comes out
[04:26] <intelikey> !lts | OpenSorce
[04:26] <ubotu> OpenSorce: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[04:27] <bazhang> OpenSorce: yes.
[04:27] <Minataku> Not that anyone uses LTS anymore :P
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I know
[04:27] <intelikey> Minataku np.   just gets old watching the rant when it's off by one.     know what i mean ?
[04:27] <Minataku> lol
[04:27] <OpenSorce> bazhag, nah just threw it on a 10 gig drive an hour or so ago
[04:27] <bazhang> I can't wait for the Heron--is that #ubuntu+2?
[04:27] <intelikey> Minataku i use LTS   and not the only one.
[04:28] <Minataku> Yeah, I just get out of hand and lose myself in the argument X3
[04:28] <hydrogen> #ubuntu^2
[04:28] <Minataku> Really?
[04:28] <bazhang> OpenSorce: come to #ubuntu+1
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: might be easier over-all for you togot get either fiesty or gutsy beta then
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> *to go
[04:28] <intelikey> Minataku "no, i'm a habitual liar, and can't help it..."     of course really.
[04:29] <funkyfish70> guys I have another question
[04:29] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, gonna wait for gutsy I think
[04:29] <funkyfish70> Is anyone in here familar with wordweb for Windows or Babylon for Windows?
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: yeah.
[04:29] <bazhang> 10/18!
[04:29] <OpenSorce> You guys absolutely rock and are very helpful
[04:29] <funkyfish70> is there a comparable program for Linux?
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: I came from slack many years ago... how is it like over there in the dark ages?
[04:29] <intelikey> OpenSorce you can join right in and be one of the crew,  any time you want.
[04:29] <OpenSorce> bazhang, did you wash up after?
[04:30] <Minataku> Yeah
[04:30] <funkyfish70> I still like Windows
[04:30] <Minataku> I don't even use Kubuntu and I help out here
[04:30] <Minataku> lol
[04:30] <funkyfish70> there are some programs I just love in it
[04:30] <Minataku> funkyfish70: That's what WINE is for
[04:30] <bazhang> OpenSorce: hahahaa
[04:30] <funkyfish70> yeah
[04:30] <hydrogen> wine doesn't work for everything though
[04:30] <funkyfish70> I must admit I havent actually used Kubuntu that much
[04:30] <OpenSorce> intelikey, I may do that.....I'm actually installing kubuntu for an article....
[04:30] <Minataku> Heck, I'm using WINE right now to run Winamp and the 64th Note plugin to listen to some N64 chiptunes
[04:31] <Minataku> hydrogen: Yeah, but it's getting better and better
[04:31] <funkyfish70> I seem to run into all these problems that I just cant fix regardless of what distro I use
[04:31] <funkyfish70> and every problem is no complicated to fix
[04:31] <funkyfish70> its probably just because im not familiar enough with how everything works though
[04:31] <Minataku> Where do you think we all starteD?
[04:31] <Minataku> *started
[04:31] <funkyfish70> yeah
[04:31] <funkyfish70> Ive read a couple books on Linux/Kubuntu
[04:32] <funkyfish70> havent messed around much
[04:32] <funkyfish70> but anyway Im going to restart
[04:32] <funkyfish70> and see if Xwindows is working alright again
[04:32] <OpenSorce> watch for the article on freelink.cx soon, I'm gonna mention the support here
[04:32] <funkyfish70> thanks for all your help guys
[04:32] <intelikey> OpenSorce if you like more action #ubuntu is a busy place,  if you like less chatter, this is unusually noisy for  #kubuntu
[04:32] <Minataku> Me, I use all sorts of crap
[04:32] <waltercool> an question, detection of hardware in kubuntu, is before or after the instalation?
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: oh oh... i'm going to be FAMOUS!!
[04:32] <Minataku> Linux, NetBSD, SunOS, bunches
[04:32] <Minataku> lol
[04:32] <funkyfish70> ok cya gyys
[04:32] <funkyfish70> guys
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> waltercool: for the livecd, before. but for the installed OS, after
[04:33] <OpenSorce> intelikey, we generally focus on helping windows users migrate.....KDE is the perfered WM
[04:33] <waltercool> installed os?, this is the alternative?
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> waltercool: when you install it, it redetects the hardware on first boot
[04:33] <Minataku> The LiveCD runs off the CD
[04:33] <waltercool> i have the alternative version
[04:33] <intelikey> OpenSorce  yeah...     well prefered by some.    but at any rate, helping is good.
[04:33] <Minataku> You can, I believe, install from it as well
[04:33] <waltercool> i common install OEM method
[04:34] <Minataku> Speaking of WINE, I'm quite a bit behind
[04:34] <Minataku> I should see what they've added since whatever version I have
[04:34] <Minataku> lol
[04:34] <purpleposeidon> I live in the Napa Valley.... WINE is a requirement!
[04:34] <intelikey> OpenSorce i once made the statement "i just have to have a GUI"   that was several years ago.   now i hardly ever start one.    don't even have X install on this box atm.
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> waltercool: ah.... ok, well it does the detection afterwards then
[04:35] <bazhang> intelikey: rtorrent?
[04:35] <waltercool> nosrednaekim: wow... cool :P thanks, is because i will install kubuntu in qemu console
[04:35] <Minataku> I think I'll sync up first
[04:35] <Minataku> Heh
[04:35] <Minataku> I have one system that _can't_ run X11
[04:35] <intelikey> bazhang ?   what about it ?
[04:35] <Minataku> Not enough RAM
[04:35] <OpenSorce> intelikey, I generally hate GUIs.....but for new users it's a must
[04:36] <Minataku> It's running NetBSD/i386 3.1
[04:36] <bazhang> intelikey: isn't that the torrent client that can run without X?
[04:36] <intelikey> right OpenSorce that was the point.
[04:36] <Minataku> Though I've also got machines that can't run Linux or NetBSD, either
[04:36] <Minataku> Like my Toshiba T1200 with it's 80C86
[04:36] <Minataku> lol
[04:36] <bazhang> Vista!
[04:36] <intelikey> bazhang heh  i can check  but i don't have a use for torrents really
[04:36] <purpleposeidon> Minataku: You mean like that old TI-82?
[04:36] <OpenSorce> argh.....got the X includes.....now I need the Qt includes......
[04:36] <bazhang> intelikey: everything from the shell?
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: yeah! we have a T1400!
[04:37] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Cool :3
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: its got linux 1 on it ;)
[04:37] <Minataku> Haha
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> like slackware 3
[04:37] <OpenSorce> ok.....I'm gonna hold off on baghira til gutsy
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> OpenSorce: wise :)
[04:37] <Minataku> Mine's only got an 8086, I have IBM PC-DOS 5.02 on it
[04:37] <intelikey> bazhang yeah   even vidios.
[04:37] <intelikey> bazhang and you are correct   rtorrent - ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent
[04:37] <bazhang> intelikey: whoa leet..haha
[04:37] <OpenSorce> nosrednaekim, I have a webserver that has Slack 3
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> haha.
[04:38] <OpenSorce> custom made security app thus far unhackable
[04:38] <Minataku> I've also got a machine with MINIX/386 2.0.4
[04:38] <intelikey> bazhang nah.  just a "bad scripter"  that's all.
[04:38] <OpenSorce> it's a 386 :-)
[04:38] <OpenSorce> ok....brb
[04:38] <OpenSorce> thanks again boys!
[04:38] <Minataku> I've got another machine with SunOS 4.1.4, aka Solaris 1.1.2
[04:38] <bazhang> intelikey: you should read kmandla.wordpress.com--you two have alot in common..haha
[04:38] <intelikey> hehhe
[04:38] <Minataku> intelikey: I was still joking even the second time :P
[04:38] <bazhang> DaSkreech: heya
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Yo!
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Whats up?
[04:39] <bazhang> DaSkreech: in the house!
[04:39] <intelikey> Minataku well it fits.  i'm not upset.   don't get bent out of shape cause i quoted you and another on that.   you werent the only one that said it...
[04:39] <Minataku> I love music created through code <3
[04:39] <Minataku> intelikey: Heh
[04:39] <Minataku> Okay ^^
[04:40] <intelikey> ;/
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Procedural sound?
[04:40] <Minataku> ?
[04:40] <Minataku> DaSkreech: More like chipmusic
[04:40] <Minataku> intelikey: Actually, I'm sure it takes a lot to break bash
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Digital?
[04:40] <Minataku> lol
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Or chipmunks
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Looooneelly
[04:40] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Hell no, not the chipmunks
[04:40] <Minataku> Ugh
[04:40] <Minataku> Musical bastardization at it's worst, they were
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Walk like an Egyptian!
[04:41] <intelikey> Minataku break bash ?     man i can break anything.   and that's not bosting, it's just trueth.
[04:41] <Minataku> I'm listening to N64 music right now
[04:41] <Minataku> intelikey: HEh
[04:41] <Minataku> Sometimes it's harder to break things than it is to make them work
[04:41] <jonsow__> AWAY
[04:41] <DaSkreech> !away | jonsow__
[04:41] <ubotu> jonsow__: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[04:41] <intelikey> i learned everything i know about computers the "try it, then reformat," methood.
[04:42] <Minataku> lol
[04:42] <Minataku> So did I
[04:42] <Minataku> I even "broke" my first computer by messing around in the NVRAM setup menus XD
[04:43] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Are you drunk? :P
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> lets have a konverstation/amarok role call here...
[04:44] <intelikey> !i
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <dsmith> sounds familar  <intelikey> i learned everything i know about computers the "try it, then reformat," methood.
[04:46] <intelikey> dsmith heh.
[04:46] <coreymon77> dsmith: im too lazy for that, i learnt everything i know about computers via the "have others try it, then have them reformat" method
[04:46] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <coreymon77> :P
[04:46] <bazhang> coreymon77: hey!
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[04:47] <bazhang> hahaha
[04:47] <intelikey> :)
[04:47] <coreymon77> ...
[04:47] <Minataku> I love real-time kernel preempt
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> he's the "try it ON others..."
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> type
[04:47] <coreymon77> that sure backfired
[04:47] <Minataku> Say, does the default Kubuntu kernel have RT-PREEMPT enabled?
[04:47] <dsmith> i do alot of rading online and with print as well
[04:47] <dsmith> right now I am working on my server partly
[04:47] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #2 PREEMPT Mon Sep 3 21:53:19 EDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[04:48] <Minataku> uname -a should say "PREEMPT" in it if so
[04:48] <intelikey> it's ok coreymon77,  we'll forget you said by tomarrow.
[04:48] <coreymon77> i know
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: have fun with your personal donation to global warming with that Computer?
[04:49] <intelikey> dsmith rading ?
[04:49] <Minataku> Actually, she doesn't use that much power, given she's a laptop
[04:49] <dsmith> yea raiding...lol
[04:49] <dsmith> *reading
[04:49] <Minataku> No computer really uses that much power, actually
[04:49] <intelikey> oh   ok.
[04:49] <funkyfish70> damn that didnt work
[04:49] <Minataku> Typically on the order of 50-100Wh
[04:49] <funkyfish70> I thought reinstalling X windows would work
[04:49] <Minataku> Hardly a blip on the meter
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: lol I use 15 on my laptop
[04:50] <funkyfish70> is there anyway to upgrade to the newest version of Kubuntu
[04:50] <hsystem-x> *
[04:50] <funkyfish70> without downloading and installing the while ISO image
[04:50] <Minataku> My laptop also runs 24/7
[04:50] <Minataku> lol
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> funkyfish70: sure
[04:50] <intelikey> Minataku i have one tower that pulls almost 3 amps   which i have to keep an eye on when it's really hot climate.
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade | funkyfish70
[04:50] <ubotu> funkyfish70: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[04:50] <Juacom99> anyone knows where i can find wxPython for OpenRPG
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> !gutsy
[04:50] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[04:50] <bazhang> funkyfish70: yes!
[04:50] <Minataku> Yeah, I had to get a windowbox AC unit for my room
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: see what i';m talking about?
[04:50] <Minataku> Piyoko here has a desktop Pentium 4 (Northwood B)
[04:50] <funkyfish70> and how do I actually check with version of Kubuntu Im currently running
[04:51] <funkyfish70> is there a winver type command
[04:51] <funkyfish70> ?
[04:51] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Warm things don't cause global warming
[04:51] <intelikey> i mean 3A 125V  not 3A 220V
[04:51] <Minataku> CO2 and various other pollutants do
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: I know... I was kidding ;)
[04:51] <Minataku> :P
[04:51] <Minataku> Heh
[04:52] <intelikey> funkyfish70  lsb_release -a
[04:52] <Minataku> I still love real-time kernel preempt
[04:52] <nosrednaekim> there was one a joke about a dept of health lab that was trying to prove global warming to be true... their super computer had P4's..
[04:52] <Minataku> I'm running make with -j2 (two threads at once) and listening to music and doing a bunch of other things all at once
[04:52] <coreymon77> Minataku, nosrednaekim; wow, offtopic
[04:53] <hydrogen> Minataku: realtime kernel preempt doesn't mean that much in that case >_<
[04:53] <nosrednaekim> ahh... coreymon77 is a member now and can "officially" tell us to shut up ;)
[04:53] <Minataku> Winamp isn't rendering very fast, but the music is playing skip-free
[04:53] <hydrogen> I tend to run make -j4 without seeing a performance hit
[04:53] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: im not really telling you to shut up
[04:53] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: i was kiddin.
[04:53] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: im just noting that weve gotten a little o/t
[04:53] <Minataku> hydrogen: Actually, I'm merely proving that one can compile things and do other things at one time
[04:54] <Minataku> Also, I've only got a uniprocessor
[04:54] <nosrednaekim> no hyperthreading?
[04:54] <Minataku> Nope
[04:54] <Minataku> One processor, with RT-PREEMPT and a 1000Hz interrupt rate
[04:55] <nosrednaekim> what does preempt do?
[04:55] <nosrednaekim> help the scheduler?
[04:55] <Minataku> It forces the kernel to allow task switching
[04:55] <funkyfish70> damn I think I am running the most recent version
[04:55] <nosrednaekim> funkyfish70: lsb_release -a
[04:55] <Minataku> It balances load far better and allows for smoother operation of all tasks
[04:55] <funkyfish70> yeah im running feisty fawn
[04:55] <nosrednaekim> ah
[04:55] <funkyfish70> or whatever it is
[04:55] <Minataku> It's really nice
[04:56] <nosrednaekim> funkyfish70: thats not the latest
[04:56] <Minataku> Makes a uniprocessor system feel like an SMP
[04:56] <intelikey> funkyfish70 that would be 7.4  (or 7.04 if the versioning is hard for you to understand)
[04:56] <funkyfish70> let me run it again
[04:56] <Minataku> It's kinda like software hyperthreading, I guess
[04:56] <Minataku> lol
[04:56] <intelikey> nosrednaekim actually it's symantic.  but that is the latest.
[04:56] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: interesting... I guess thats what you play with when you have Gentoo
[04:56] <intelikey> anything after that is still pre-release
[04:56] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: stop getting technical, gutsy is not released yet
[04:57] <funkyfish70> No LSB modules are available.
[04:57] <funkyfish70> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[04:57] <funkyfish70> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[04:57] <funkyfish70> Release:        7.04
[04:57] <funkyfish70> Codename:       feisty
[04:57] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: As much as the detractors would like you to believe, the performance benefits are _REAL_
[04:57] <nosrednaekim> he was wanting upgrade to gutsy I thought...
[04:57] <Minataku> *disbelieve
[04:57] <intelikey> funkyfish70 that's latest,   and stop flooding.
[04:57] <coreymon77> !paste | funkyfish70
[04:57] <ubotu> funkyfish70: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:57] <funkyfish70> oh sorry I didnt realize that was a lot of text
[04:57] <intelikey> funkyfish70 you'll make jucato mad and that will be the last we see of you....
[04:57] <Minataku> lol
[04:57] <coreymon77> lol
[04:58] <Jucato> lol
[04:58] <nosrednaekim> you'll be "friedfunkyfish70"
[04:58] <intelikey> :)
[04:58] <bazhang> haha
[04:58] <Minataku> Heya, Jucato XD
[04:58] <coreymon77> LOL
[04:58] <Jucato> hi
[04:58] <Minataku> Sup?
[04:58] <coreymon77> wow
[04:58] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: going fishing?
[04:58] <coreymon77> speak of the devil
[04:58] <ardchoille> funkyfish70: You can pipe that to grep and only return one line. Open a term and do: lsb_release -a | grep Release
[04:58] <Jucato> nope
[04:58] <hsystem-x> this servers is irc.ubuntu.com:8001
[04:59] <hsystem-x> right ?
[04:59] <intelikey> no i spoke of Jucato....     errr oh.  never mind.
[04:59] <Minataku> No
[04:59] <nosrednaekim> hsystem-x: dpends..
[04:59] <coreymon77> this is actually irc.freenode.net
[04:59] <Minataku> It's irc.freenode.net
[04:59] <Minataku> Yeah
[04:59] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: its all linked together..
[04:59] <Minataku> Which, actually, is just a DNSRR
[04:59] <hsystem-x> ok could you then tell me the whole address to this channel
[04:59] <Minataku> Not a real server address
[04:59] <hsystem-x> ?
[05:00] <hsystem-x>  [Info]  Looking for server irc.ubuntu.com:8001...
[05:00] <Minataku> Connecting to irc.freenode.net will shuffle your connection off to whichever server is deemed the best performance-wise for you
[05:00] <Minataku> Either that or it's completely random
[05:00] <intelikey> hsystem-x irc.freenode.net:8001#kubuntu    i think....
[05:00] <Minataku> I don't know if there's any intelligence behind FreeNode's DNSRR
[05:01] <coreymon77> hsystem-x: i believe its irc.freenode.net:6667#kubuntu
[05:01] <funkyfish70> ok im going to upgrade to the risky version
[05:01] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: dont reccomend it
[05:01] <funkyfish70> why?
[05:01] <bazhang> yesss!
[05:01] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: stick with feisty till gutsy comes stable
[05:01] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: its still beta
[05:01] <intelikey> coreymon77 6667 was default  but i think they added the 8001 for dealing with bots.
[05:01] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: buggy
[05:01] <funkyfish70> o
[05:01] <funkyfish70> well i dont have anything on this anway
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Well it froze my machine if that makes you happy
[05:01] <funkyfish70> anyway
[05:01] <Minataku> Kubuntu is a Debian derivative; when they say unstable, they MEAN it :P
[05:02] <Minataku> DaSkreech: What did?
[05:02] <funkyfish70> oh
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Chipmunks
[05:02] <Minataku> :P
[05:02] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: this is not just some beta program
[05:02] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: this is a beta OS you are talking about
[05:02] <intelikey> coreymon77 errr or actually more like dealing with a router bug that bots were exploiting.
[05:02] <Minataku> Like retail versions of Windows beta
[05:02] <Minataku> lol
[05:02] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: linux beta means BETA!
[05:03] <funkyfish70> well the adept thing just crashed
[05:03] <Minataku> See?
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: for goodness sake, you'll scare the kid ;)
[05:03] <Minataku> lol
[05:03] <ardchoille> !fixadept
[05:03] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:03] <funkyfish70> so maybe its trying to tell me not too
[05:03] <hsystem-x> ok i recently installed the perl script on amarok script manager, that sends the song that is playing to X irc channel.
[05:03] <intelikey> C++
[05:03] <Minataku> Well, remember now, nosrednaekim...
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> intelikey would prefer it to be written in bash
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[05:03] <coreymon77> funkyfish70: you see, told you it was a beta :P
[05:03] <hsystem-x> i just wanted to test, with no luck since im doing somethign wrong or those address are not the correct ones..
[05:03] <Minataku> Windows FINAL means beta.
[05:03] <Minataku> lol
[05:03] <Minataku> :3
[05:03] <intelikey> depends on what it is nosrednaekim
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: =)
[05:04] <funkyfish70> Windows seems way more stable then Kubuntu so far
[05:04] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: KDE4 means BETA
[05:04] <funkyfish70> at least to me
[05:04] <funkyfish70> I never have any problems with it
[05:04] <coreymon77> that too
[05:04] <bazhang> Vista!
[05:04] <intelikey> funkyfish70 how much do you compile on it ?
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: get some mouthwash... fast
[05:05] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: hahahaha
[05:05] <hsystem-x> funkyfish70 WRONG, FALSE, ABSOLUTELY AN OPINION THAT COMES FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESNT HAVE EXPERIENCE...
[05:05] <DaSkreech> !caps
[05:05] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> hsystem-x: i'd say he has experience..
[05:05] <hsystem-x> windows more stable LOLLLLLLLL
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> bad oens
[05:05] <bazhang> !caps
[05:05] <funkyfish70> intelikey nothing ;)
[05:05] <intelikey> funkyfish70  weren't you building software just a minute ago ?
[05:05] <hsystem-x> impossible statement :)
[05:05] <DaSkreech> intelikey: can I pass multiple commands to ssh?
[05:05] <funkyfish70> not in Windows
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> bye all !! its getting late!
[05:05] <Minataku> I think that was me, intelikey
[05:05] <Minataku> I'm building WINE 0.9.46
[05:06] <intelikey> DaSkreech just a sec.
[05:06] <hsystem-x> windows is a HYBRID KERNEL most of it is monolithic... so when somehting crash the whole system goes down..
[05:06] <funkyfish70> I dont mind Im just learning Kubuntu
[05:06] <funkyfish70> I like them both
[05:06] <funkyfish70> I dont even have anything on here yet
[05:06] <intelikey> DaSkreech absolutely
[05:06] <DaSkreech> intelikey: how?
[05:06] <Minataku> hsystem-x: Uh... Linux is more or less the same... Modular Monolithic
[05:06] <funkyfish70> Im just trying to get everything to work ok
[05:06] <Minataku> If a Linux kernel driver faults, module or built-in, it all goes down
[05:06] <hsystem-x> but linux use a microkernel, that means that everything is done by other soft...
[05:07] <Minataku> We just code better here
[05:07] <intelikey> DaSkreech  ssh user@host "{ com1 ; com2 ; com3 ; }"
[05:07] <Minataku> hsystem-x: You're completely wrong, sorry
[05:07] <intelikey> pipe or what ever you want withing the  {}
[05:07] <hsystem-x> well you can check on any OPERATING SYSTEM BOOK
[05:07] <Minataku> The Linux kernel is a modular monolithic kernel
[05:07] <hsystem-x> MICROKERNEL only manages...
[05:07] <intelikey> DaSkreech but do remember that the console is still local in that usage of ssh.   i.e. any redirrect is local.
[05:08] <hsystem-x> LInux is a microkernel...
[05:08] <funkyfish70> no I just need to figure out how to get the Windows key to bring up the KDE Menu
[05:08] <Minataku> The Windows kernel is hybrid macro/micro
[05:08] <Minataku> hsystem-x: No, it is not
[05:08] <hsystem-x> have you read rebel code?
[05:08] <hsystem-x> it talks about linux development...
[05:08] <funkyfish70> in the shortcuts thing it doesnt let me assign it to anything
[05:08] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I can do com1 && com 2 as well
[05:08] <coreymon77> hsystem-x: can you please stop using caps
[05:09] <hsystem-x> yes, sorry.
[05:09] <Minataku> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:09] <Minataku> Kernel type: Monolithic kernel
[05:09] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes.  that's what i said.   use pipes or "what ever"  implise  & && || as well
[05:09] <Minataku> I know about the Linux kernel structure
[05:09] <intelikey> DaSkreech as well as loops.
[05:09] <Minataku> It's modular monolithic
[05:09] <Minataku> Because the kernel contains all the drivers needed for operation either within itself or within pluggable modules
[05:10] <hsystem-x> ok im wrong i swapped the statements windows is microkernel
[05:10] <hsystem-x> linux is monolithic.
[05:10] <Minataku> Yes, Windows uses some retarded hybrid kernel setup
[05:10] <OpenSorce> holy crap wtf happened to Xchat?!?
[05:10] <bazhang> knoversation!
[05:10] <bazhang> konversation even
[05:11] <hsystem-x> yes but thats the reason
[05:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech if you don't group the commands   though only the first will be in the ssh session.   i.e.    ssh user@host blah && blah2    blah2 will be on the local machine
[05:11] <hsystem-x> why linux is more stable, since it is monolithic.
[05:11] <Minataku> OpenSorce: It probably got upgraded
[05:11] <Minataku> Actually, Linux is more stable because of better coding and tighter coding practices
[05:11] <funkyfish70> haha
[05:11] <funkyfish70> wow I just got my sound working
[05:11] <DaSkreech> intelikey: bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[05:11] <funkyfish70> ;)
[05:11] <hsystem-x> thats why***
[05:11] <funkyfish70> thats problem number one
[05:11] <funkyfish70> gone
[05:12] <funkyfish70> now I just need to figure out that resume image problem
[05:12] <intelikey> DaSkreech you probably did put ; imediately befor the closing }
[05:12] <bazhang> funkyfish70: how'd you do it?
[05:12] <Minataku> eu-irc: Can I help you?
[05:13] <funkyfish70> bazhang: I had to disable the Audigy/Digital Audio Output Jack thing
[05:13] <funkyfish70> under the switches tab in Kmix
[05:14] <DaSkreech> intelikey: { touch tmplock && cp tmplock tmpfree }
[05:14] <hsystem-x> anybody on gutsy alreayd?
[05:14] <hsystem-x> already*
[05:14] <intelikey> DaSkreech    ^ wrong.        { touch tmplock && cp tmplock tmpfree ; }    <<< right.
[05:15] <intelikey> DaSkreech has to have the ;   or a new line.
[05:15] <bazhang> hsystem-x: yes.
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Unexpected token ] 
[05:15] <DaSkreech> }
[05:16] <bazhang> funkyfish70: thanks!
[05:17] <intelikey> space between them ?
[05:17] <intelikey> has to be there.
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:18] <DaSkreech> space between the command and the ; and the ] 
[05:18] <DaSkreech> }
[05:19] <hsystem-x> is there any development evironment i mean GUI like, (not referring to kate or kwrite), that uses g++ ?
[05:19] <hsystem-x> environment*
[05:19] <Juacom99> cna you plese help me :S
[05:19] <Minataku> !info anjuta | hsystem-x
[05:19] <Tm_T> hsystem-x: KDevelop
[05:19] <ubotu> hsystem-x: anjuta: A GNOME development IDE for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.4a-5build1 (feisty), package size 913 kB, installed size 2144 kB
[05:19] <Minataku> It's not GNOME, it's GTK :P
[05:20] <Juacom99> i'm trying to install openrpg i i got a probklem with wxPython
[05:20] <hsystem-x> yes i know about those too, but Kdevelop i mean :S anyway let me try once again..
[05:20] <intelikey> DaSkreech are you leaving out the quotes or what.   the syntax i gave you works.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/40030
[05:20] <hsystem-x> i usually program c++ for example on kate, then compile with g++ in console.
[05:20] <lelik> guys.. How can I install specific version of package? "Force version" is hidden in synaptic..
[05:20] <intelikey> locally   .~]  ls tmp*
[05:21] <intelikey>  /bin/ls: tmp*: No such file or directory
[05:21] <Minataku> :~] 
[05:21] <Minataku> X3
[05:21] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Doh! Quotes!
[05:21] <DaSkreech> ok time to get to work!
[05:21] <Minataku> Sorry, getting tired and silly
[05:21] <Minataku> lol
[05:21] <ardchoille> Juacom99: Are you compiling openrpg?
[05:21] <Juacom99> just installing :S
[05:22] <ardchoille> Juacom99: It's in universe
[05:22] <Juacom99> i got the .deb from ubuntu's web
[05:22] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Nope got it now
[05:22] <funkyfish70> damn it seems a ton of people are having that no resume image problem
[05:22] <Juacom99> sorry i'm a noob
 DaSkreech  ssh user@host "{ com1 ; com2 ; com3 ; }"
[05:22] <Juacom99> what dioes it menas??
[05:22] <Juacom99> *menas
[05:22] <ardchoille> Juacom99: enable universe and:  sudo apt-get install openrpg
[05:22] <Juacom99> *means
[05:22] <Juacom99> eneable universal??
[05:23] <ardchoille> !repos | Juacom99
[05:23] <ubotu> Juacom99: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:23] <intelikey> DaSkreech what is "nope" ???
[05:23] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Nope don't bother. I'm a idiot
[05:23] <hsystem-x> ok , so KDEVELOP is for developing c++ programs under X11, that means object oriented ones... ?
[05:23] <intelikey> oh.  too late. done did.
[05:24] <Juacom99> sorry buy
[05:24] <intelikey> hsystem-x ????
[05:25] <Juacom99> i can use manage repository option :S
[05:25] <hsystem-x> ???
[05:25] <Juacom99> or any other option in fact :S
[05:27] <funkyfish70> well thanks everyone for your help
[05:27] <funkyfish70> have a good night
[05:27] <funkyfish70> im off
[05:27] <intelikey> DaSkreech the reason i said "just a sec."  when you asked, was because i don't think i had ever tried to do that before.   had to test it first before i said something i would have to disown later.   :)))
[05:29] <Juacom99> ok i maid the sudo
[05:29] <Juacom99> *sudo apt-get install openrpg
[05:30] <intelikey> rpg in real time.  or turn based ?
[05:30] <hsystem-x> ok, i noticed that konversation (the one with gutsy with all updates ) is 1.0
[05:31] <hsystem-x> and i have a pluggin that require 1.5
[05:31] <hsystem-x> is there a 1.5 on the repos?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> There isn't a 1.5 that I know about
[05:31] <intelikey> if gutsy doesn't have it   i doubt it.
[05:31] <Juacom99> intelikey: is a RPG tool
[05:31] <intelikey> !info konversation
[05:31] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 5038 kB, installed size 12996 kB
[05:32] <hsystem-x> Konversation >1.5
[05:32] <intelikey> Juacom99 yes server / client for playing rpg's of the inet.  but is that for real time or not ?
[05:32] <hsystem-x> DEPENDENCIES
[05:32] <hsystem-x> ------------
[05:32] <hsystem-x> Perl
[05:32] <hsystem-x> Konversation >1.5
[05:32] <hsystem-x> AUTHOR
[05:32] <hsystem-x> :S
[05:33] <Juacom99> intelikey: don't know. first time in try to rune it
[05:33] <intelikey> and what is this that you are trying to build hsystem-x
[05:33] <Juacom99> it seams like turne based
[05:33] <Juacom99> cos is for paling D&d or SW
[05:34] <hsystem-x> amarok-konversation.pl script.
[05:34] <intelikey> Juacom99 k.     "i actually prefer turn-based games, not being much of a player, and more of a thinker."
[05:34] <Juacom99> i don't know really
[05:34] <Juacom99> i can't install ir -.-
[05:35] <NickPresta> hsystem-x, open up amarok-konversation and change the check that requires konversation to be >= 1.5. Check that the script will still work, obviously
[05:35] <Juacom99> i did what ardchoille said but i got the same problem :S
[05:35] <hsystem-x> man but there is no Konversation greater than
[05:35] <hsystem-x> !konversation
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <hsystem-x> 1.0.1
[05:36] <ardchoille> Juacom99: You installed openrpg from the repos and got dependency problems?
[05:36] <Juacom99> yep :S
[05:36] <ardchoille> not good
[05:36] <Juacom99> let me delet the old installation
[05:36] <Juacom99> and try again :S
[05:37] <eu-irc> why is life about producing?
[05:38] <hsystem-x> Anyway thats the reason why i was asking the address of this server.
[05:38] <eu-irc> why is life about producing? because people hurt each other and they want revenge
[05:39] <ardchoille> eu-irc: Take it to another channel please.
[05:39] <hsystem-x> go kubuntu offtopic... -.*
[05:39] <hsystem-x> OMG.
[05:39] <ardchoille> hsystem-x: he was told that when he used the nick "Jesus_saves" but he doesn't listen
[05:39] <Juacom99> ardchoille: i cn't delet one of the files from /usr/share/menu/ :S
[05:40] <ardchoille> Juacom99: You installed a .deb and now you are manually deleting the files it installed?
[05:40] <Juacom99> yes :$
[05:41] <ardchoille> Juacom99: That's not the proper way to remove a package
[05:41] <hsystem-x> server address: niven.freenode.net/8001  channel: kubuntu   right?
[05:41] <Juacom99> sorry :'(
[05:41] <ardchoille> Juacom99: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove openrpg
[05:42] <Juacom99> thanks
[05:42] <Juacom99> i'll start writing thad kind of commands down
[05:43] <ardchoille> Juacom99: The best way to manage software is to use the repos. if the app isn't in the repos, compile it from source. If you can't do either of those, don't use the app.
[05:46] <Juacom99> how do you comlipit??
[05:46] <Juacom99> from source
[05:46] <Juacom99> let say forma tar.gz?
[05:46] <ardchoille> download the source, unpack it and read the README and INSTALL files. But if the app is in the repos, try that first.
[05:48] <Juacom99> you mean in adept?
[05:49] <ardchoille> Juacom99: no
[05:49] <ardchoille> Juacom99: The repos go a long way toward resolving dependencies. Compiling from source doesn't help with that, which means you have to resolve deps yourself.
[05:50] <hsystem-x> intelikey, do you have the amarok-konversation perl script which display the music you are playing on irc channel.
[05:50] <hsystem-x> ??
[05:50] <ardchoille> Juacom99: If you compile an app that has deps you don't have, then you need to compile and install those deps first. If each dep has deps of it own and you don't have them, then you need to install those first. This is known as dependy hell :)
[05:50] <the-erm> Is there a new version out?
[05:51] <Juacom99> i have all deps it said in the ubuntu's page i think :S
[05:51] <ardchoille> Juacom99: openrpg is in the repos, use the repos
[05:51] <hsystem-x> #amarok
[05:51] <Juacom99> in the rep i got is as intalled
[05:54] <Juacom99> ok i did that
[05:54] <Juacom99> and i got the same error messaje
[05:54] <Juacom99> can i past it here??
[05:54] <Juacom99> ias a little long
[05:54] <ardchoille> !paste | Juacom99
[05:54] <ubotu> Juacom99: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:55] <xid> hi folks, I tried to install flash using the installer and it said to delete the xpti.dat file, which I did, and it is still asking the same thing
[05:55] <Juacom99> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39926/
[05:56] <ardchoille> Juacom99: Why are you running ./start.py? What is that for?
[05:56] <Juacom99> start openrpg i think:S
[05:58] <Juacom99> if i use openrpg-client
[05:58] <Juacom99> i get a smaller message
[05:59] <Juacom99> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39927/
[06:02] <xid> so I booted up a 1.10 beta livecd, then logged out, what is my username password to log back in?
[06:02] <Juacom99> any ideas ardchoille??' :S
[06:03] <ardchoille> xid: You mean 7.10?
[06:03] <xid> yes
[06:04] <ardchoille> The live cd's don't have passwords
[06:04] <xid> hmm so how do I log back in?
[06:04] <xid> just reboot?
[06:04] <ardchoille> are sitting at a console or kdm?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> xid: alt+ctrl+F1 and sudo passwd ubuntu
[06:04] <hydrogen> where are the share files for kde installed on kubuntu?
[06:04] <xid> is it creating a swap partition to store everything I'm changing?  I feel like such a newb...
[06:04] <moody> anyone have any suggestions on installing ubuntu ultimate on a hp laptop its a dv9410us
[06:05] <moody> has the turion x2 1.8 and 6150 gfx
[06:05] <xid> it's the desktop login
[06:05] <xid> screen
[06:05] <DaSkreech> xid: First time on LInux?
[06:06] <karthikp_> Is there something I can do to make the audiocd:/ kioslave any faster. It (while encoding to mp3 vbr) takes about 40 minutes to do a CD, while in k3b, it takes less than ten!
[06:06] <karthikp_> I'm using Kubuntu Feisty and KDE 3.5.6.
[06:06] <moody> the problem i am having is sometimes it will hard lock the laptop.. and i have to restart
[06:06] <moody> ctrl-alt-bksp doesnt do anything either
[06:07] <xid> DaSkreech: not exactly, but might as well be
[06:07] <DaSkreech> xid: Welcome to Kubuntu!
[06:07] <xid> DaSkreech: ok, I created the passwd, how do I get back to the login screen?
[06:07] <xid> xid: thanks!
[06:08] <xid> err.. DaSkreech: thanks
[06:08] <DaSkreech> xid: Alt+ctrl+F7
[06:08] <xid> k thnx
[06:08] <ardchoille> xid: You really should be in #ubuntu+1
[06:09] <xid> heh heh k
[06:09] <karthikp_> Sorry to bug you again, but any reason why audiocd:/ is up to four times slower than ripping a CD using k3b?
[06:09] <DaSkreech> karthikp_: cause It's Slave instead of a dedicated application built on top of a multipurpose knife instead of a dedicated tool ?
[06:09] <karthikp_> Is there something I should be doing that I'm not? Some tweaks, perhaps?
[06:10] <ardchoille> karthikp_: Perhaps use k3b if it's faster?
[06:10] <karthikp_> I could, but the konqueror option is so much more elegant. Would be uber nice if it were faster.
[06:10] <karthikp_> So, I guess there's nothing I can do about it..
[06:10] <karthikp_> Sad.
[06:11] <moody> anyone ever installed kubuntu on a hp laptop with the amd turion X2 1.8 cpu and 6150 grafix and not had any freezes or lockups?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> karthikp_: You can make it slightly faster but if speed is important use a tool for the job
[06:11] <karthikp_> DaSkreech: I guess.
[06:11] <DaSkreech>  audiocd: is just convenient nothing more
[06:11] <karthikp_> moody: I've had a complete freeze on my laptop.
[06:11] <karthikp_> I was using Krita and the damn thing totally locked up.
[06:12] <moody> karthkip: what is the specs
[06:12] <DaSkreech> karthikp_: Gutsy?
[06:12] <moody> mine is turion amd x2
[06:12] <karthikp_> Actually, it happens way too often with krita.
[06:12] <karthikp_> Dell Inspiron 9300.
[06:12] <moody> ah
[06:12] <karthikp_> Pentium M 2 GHz, 2 GB RAM.
[06:12] <moody> karthkip when i boot up to get into the live part i have to use nolapic
[06:12] <karthikp_> NVidia 6800
[06:12] <moody> or else i get the lava lamp effect
[06:12] <moody> nice
[06:13] <karthikp_> DaSkreech: Feisty.
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:13] <moody> karthkip: once i get the nvidia drivers installed i take out the option on grub and it will boot ok. just sometimes it will hard lock. it is not program specific
[06:14] <karthikp_> In fact, I can go ahead and declare that I'm reasonably certain I can freeze my laptop if I fire up Krita and use it for a few minutes.
[06:14] <karthikp_> But, as a aero grad student, I don't have much need for a graphics app, so I'm cool with that.
[06:14] <karthikp_> Never had a lockup any other way.
[06:14] <moody> yeah
[06:15] <moody> it runs fine on my desktop
[06:15] <moody> until i open Wine
[06:15] <moody> hard lock
[06:15] <karthikp_> The only other problem I've seen at startup are very rare kernel panic messages.
[06:15] <karthikp_> Usually if my laptop is unplugged when I turn it on.
[06:16] <moody> mine has those if i add noapic irqpoll and irqdebug and i try to hibernate
[06:16] <justino__> hi
[06:16] <karthikp_> But, it's so rare...like once every six months or so that it's remarkabe just because I found the words "kernel panic" funny...:)
[06:16] <moody> yeah
[06:16] <justino__> wow... my first time in linux :P
[06:16] <moody> my laptop came with vista
[06:16] <moody> eww
[06:16] <bazhang> justino__: welcome!
[06:16] <moody> it got wiped and i put xp on it and im dual booting with ubuntu
[06:16] <bazhang> moody: mine too
[06:17] <karthikp_> Me, too.
[06:17] <karthikp_> dual with xp.
[06:17] <justino__> my sister just installed it
[06:17] <moody> ouch
[06:17] <moody> is it slow
[06:17] <karthikp_> justino_:Your sis rules!
[06:17] <moody> it is kinda laggy on my main pc and its a core 2 duo and 4 gig of ram
[06:17] <karthikp_> It's as fast as I could want it to be.
[06:17] <karthikp_> Odd.
[06:17] <justino__> i changed to linux because i got a lot of virus in Xp u_u
[06:17] <karthikp_> Did you try that concurrency thing?
[06:18] <karthikp_> It's in /etc/sys---something (use tab)
[06:18] <karthikp_> Set concurrency to shell (it's set to none by default)
[06:18] <karthikp_> Supposed to speed up dual core operation.
[06:18] <karthikp_> Something along the lines of concurrent usage of the two cores...
[06:19] <justino__> hey-... what do i need to do in my first time in kubuntu???
[06:19] <moody> google is your best friend when you use linux
[06:19] <karthikp_> justino_:Have fun! (obviously!) :)
[06:19] <bazhang> justino__: what do you want to get done?
[06:19] <karthikp_> moody: True.
[06:19] <moody> i've learned a lot with it
[06:19] <karthikp_> There's a reason why that page is my homepage....:)
[06:20] <ardchoille> justino__:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu  and  http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[06:20] <justino__> well... i dont use my computer a lot... i dont know what i should install u_u
[06:20] <DaSkreech> justino__: Welcome to Kubuntu!
[06:20] <justino__> i'd like to do everything i used to do with winXp, but without it =P
[06:20] <bazhang> justino__: do you want to watch youtube, listen to mp3s, watch dvds, blog, what?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> justino__: What did you do in XP?
[06:21] <karthikp_> Run antivirus scans...
[06:21] <justino__> normal things.. i  guess  :P
[06:21] <justino__> :$
[06:21] <justino__> mmm
[06:21] <karthikp_> :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Please don't say Use publisher >_<
[06:21] <justino__> internet, movies, mp3
[06:21] <DaSkreech> !codecs
[06:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:21] <DaSkreech> justino__: ^^^
[06:21] <karthikp_> You can start with getting firefox, or try using konqueror (the default browser...
[06:21] <NightBird> where is the mac address info stored in kubuntu?
[06:22] <karthikp_> Oh yeah, turn of all sound notifications. THat should be the first thing to do in Kubuntu...
[06:22] <justino__> my sis has already installed it
[06:22] <justino__> she installed something for listening mp3
[06:22] <justino__> mmm
[06:22] <justino__> the amsn
[06:22] <hsystem-x> ok i got another question, can someone use sudo apt-get install SOMETHING on a livecd i mean, does it freezes or it is supposed
[06:22] <justino__> firefox
[06:22] <hsystem-x> to store all that data on MEM.
[06:22] <justino__> limewire
[06:22] <karthikp_> You can just open a terminal and ask ifconfig
[06:23] <moody> dumb question how do you turn off the sound notifcaitions
[06:23] <karthikp_> For mp3s, just open Amarok and play an mp3 song. It'll take care of the rest.
[06:23] <NightBird> karthikp_: no, I'm wanting to modify the mac address to match the host mac of the system hosting the virtual machine
[06:23] <moody> sometimes they give me a signal 11 error
[06:23] <justino__> can i used my ipod?
[06:23] <karthikp_> Sound notifications are in the system settings.
[06:23] <ardchoille> hsystem-x: the livecd uses ram for everything.. it won't save anything when you reboot unless you manually save things to some kind of media .. like a usb key
[06:23] <karthikp_> KDE > System Settings > Notifications.
[06:23] <hsystem-x> ok i know that, thx but my question is
[06:24] <karthikp_> Yup.
[06:24] <karthikp_> iPod works.
[06:24] <hsystem-x> does it install the soft or it is supposed to freeze?
[06:24] <moody> oh im using gnome nm
[06:24] <moody> ubuntu ultimate
[06:24] <eu-irc> are we here on earth just to do one thing and one thing only?
[06:24] <karthikp_> I started with GNOME, but ended up using so many KDE apps, it wasn't even funny.
[06:25] <karthikp_> So, switched over to KDE completely and loved linux even more.
[06:25] <hsystem-x> because i have a friend that uses livecd, she is testing linux, but when she install something when using live cd, the system freezes,
[06:25] <hsystem-x> thats normal ?
[06:25] <pruduction_line> karthikp_, are we here on earth just to do one thing and one thing only?
[06:25] <hsystem-x> or  low ram?
[06:25] <justino__> hey... and do i need to download all the updates that my computer is asking me for?
[06:25] <Juacom99> cya people
[06:25] <Juacom99> and thanks
[06:25] <karthikp_> production_line: Stop smoking whatever it is that you're smoking. :)
[06:26] <DaSkreech> hsystem-x: You can install on the live CD
[06:26] <karthikp_> Updates are good.
[06:26] <karthikp_> Download them.
[06:26] <NickPresta> pruduction_line, can you take the philosophical discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> justino__: Not if you don't want to
[06:26] <karthikp_> There goes one lost soul...
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Security updates you probably should
[06:26] <karthikp_> Usually updates bring bugfixes.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Or bugs :)
[06:27] <karthikp_> And hence the need for more updates! :)
[06:27] <justino__> and... are there virus for linux
[06:27] <justino__> ?
[06:27] <karthikp_> Still looking for them.
[06:27] <karthikp_> Haven't had much luck finding them :)
[06:28] <justino__> great :D
[06:28] <justino__> i love linux now :D
[06:28] <karthikp_> Yeah, the world of pr0n awaits young master justino_
[06:29] <karthikp_> Or miss.
[06:29] <karthikp_> PC behavior rules.
[06:29] <justino__> and if I need a program that is only available in Win?
[06:29] <karthikp_> justino_, you might start with system settings in the kde menu - trick out your new install...
[06:29] <moody> its probably the most ironic thing.. out of all the people i work with i am the only guy that messes with linux
[06:29] <karthikp_> Use wine.
[06:30] <moody> my boss is all microsoft.. cant even get him to use firefox
[06:30] <karthikp_> Again you can get to it in system settings.
[06:30] <moody> he says ie is much more secure (thats funny)
[06:30] <justino__> wine?
[06:30] <justino__> what is wine?
[06:30] <karthikp_> Get thee to system settings.
[06:30] <karthikp_> winecfg is in the advanced tab. Looks like a glass of wine.
[06:30] <karthikp_> moody: Your boss is insane.
[06:30] <DaSkreech> !virus | justino__
[06:30] <ubotu> justino__: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:31] <karthikp_> Sounds like something out of Office Space...:)
[06:31] <justino__> jaja
[06:31] <justino__> nice
[06:31] <DaSkreech> moody: ie7 probably is
[06:31] <justino__> Wine...
[06:31] <justino__> xD
[06:31] <DaSkreech> !wine
[06:31] <justino__> glass of wine xD
[06:31] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[06:31] <justino__> jaja
[06:31] <justino__> sorry...
[06:31] <justino__> :$
[06:32] <DaSkreech> !de
[06:32] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:32] <karthikp_> Didn't know you could do that...
[06:32] <justino__> i'm from mexico, where are you from?
[06:32] <karthikp_> !kubuntu
[06:32] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[06:32] <karthikp_> Kewl.
[06:32] <MrMazda> errors were encountered while processing: python2.5-minimal, python2.5, base-files, console-setup, volumeid, ubuntu-keyring, udev, bash, ubuntu-minimal, python-minimal, python, pcmciautils, also-utils, lsb-release :-(
[06:32] <DaSkreech> MrMazda: That's impressive
[06:32] <karthikp_> Sounds cool. :)
[06:33] <justino__> hey! my sister just told me about a virtualizer...
[06:33] <justino__> Virtual Box...
[06:33] <justino__> :S
[06:33] <justino__> what is that???
[06:33] <karthikp_> Never tried those.
[06:33] <MrMazda> happens whether feisty or gutsy, or HTTP install or CD install :-(
[06:33] <justino__> virtual box?
[06:33] <ubuntu__> hello
[06:33] <karthikp_> MrMazda, I feel for ye. The Feisty update (from Edgy) totalled my system.
[06:34] <ubuntu__> have BR here?
[06:34] <karthikp_> Luckily, I have a separate /home partition. So, reinstalling kubuntu was easy.
[06:34] <ubuntu__> algum BR aki:?
[06:34] <justino__> aahhh
[06:34] <justino__> espaol :D
[06:35] <karthikp_> justino__: Your sis sounds a lot more knowledgeable on virtualization that I ever could.
[06:35] <moody> anyone know when Gutsy is going to become final?
[06:35] <karthikp_> I know Gutsy is releasing in late October.
[06:35] <karthikp_> 23rd, if my memory serves me right.
[06:35] <moody> i just installed ubuntu ultimate on my lappy
[06:35] <moody> was installing some plugins for flash
[06:35] <moody> hard lock
[06:35] <moody> i dont think it likes my amd dual core
[06:36] <MrMazda> always fails to install the initramfs-tools too :-(
[06:36] <ubuntu__> justino vc entende bem de linux?
[06:36] <ardchoille> !release
[06:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[06:36] <karthikp> moody: Switch to tty1 and do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:36] <karthikp> That ought to not freeze up...
[06:36] <surgy> anytime i have a window open or a game running i can see very faint outlines of my folders on my desktop through the window and i do not have transparency enabled on anything, can someone help?
[06:36] <justino__> she doesnt wanna help me anymore... because she didnt do her homework  because of me u_U
[06:36] <moody> i tried to switch
[06:36] <moody> completely froze
[06:36] <NickPresta> !english | ubuntu__
[06:36] <moody> no keys or anything works
[06:36] <ubotu> ubuntu__: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[06:36] <justino__> no
[06:37] <justino__> no entiendo, es mi primer dia
[06:37] <karthikp> Even if you're in a virtual terminal?
[06:37] <moody> i was in the gui
[06:37] <BR> algum BR aki?
[06:37] <moody> the installer script was installing the flash plugin
[06:37] <karthikp> Try from a terminal.
[06:37] <justino__> que es BR?
[06:37] <BR> vrazilian
[06:37] <karthikp> At least you'll get feedback.
[06:37] <BR> brazilian
[06:37] <justino__> ahhh
[06:37] <NickPresta> !br | BR
[06:37] <ubotu> BR: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[06:37] <BR> you speak?
[06:37] <karthikp> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[06:37] <karthikp> Login
[06:37] <justino__> no
[06:38] <karthikp> And say sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:38] <surgy> ?
[06:38] <justino__> yo soy de mexico y solo entiendo inggles, espaol y un poco de frances :P
[06:38] <NickPresta> justino__, this is an English only channel. Please keep it that way, thank you.
[06:38] <karthikp> Come on!
[06:38] <justino__> ahhh
[06:38] <justino__> i'm sorry u_u
[06:38] <karthikp> You can understand what he said!
[06:39] <karthikp> And let's be nice to new comers, please!
[06:39] <surgy> umm
[06:39] <justino__> i wont speak spanish here anymore u_u
[06:40] <surgy> guess no one can help?
[06:40] <karthikp> surgy: help with what?
[06:40] <NickPresta> surgy, what is your question?
[06:41] <surgy> [23:36]  <surgy> anytime i have a window open or a game running i can see very faint outlines of my folders on my desktop through the window and i do not have transparency enabled on anything, can someone help?
[06:41] <karthikp> Scrolled back and found his question.
[06:41] <karthikp> Something about transparency.
[06:41] <justino__> well guys... nice to see you...
[06:41] <karthikp> You can click on the top left corner of a window, bring up a  menu, go to opacity and make it 100%.
[06:41] <justino__> ByE!!!!
[06:41] <karthikp> That fixes it.
[06:41] <karthikp> Bye, justino_
[06:41] <NickPresta> surgy, which theme? do you have Beryl/etc running? Which card? Have you set any specific opacity settings?
[06:42] <surgy> nvidia-glx fx 6800 xfx running non beryl kubuntu 7.04 with the crystal theme
[06:43] <surgy> and no i havnt set anything transparency is off all the way arround
[06:43] <karthikp> Double check your transparency settings in the system settings.
[06:44] <surgy> just did
[06:44] <karthikp> And to fix things, use the top-left corner menu of a window to set opacity to 100%.
[06:44] <surgy> all turned off
[06:44] <karthikp> Odd.
[06:44] <surgy> yeah but i cant do that in a fullscreen app running in cedega
[06:45] <surgy> if i had a decent screenshot app i whould take one and send it to you
[06:45] <karthikp> Press PrtScn
[06:45] <karthikp> Et voila!
[06:46] <NickPresta> surgy, what's wrong with kscreenshot?
[06:46] <surgy> oh nuthin sorry saving now
[06:46] <karthikp> Printscreen is the shortcut to ksnapshot.
[06:46] <NickPresta> karthikp, thanks for that. ksnapshot is what i was thinking of
[06:46] <karthikp> Right! :)
[06:47] <surgy> ok so can i dcc this to you?
[06:47] <NickPresta> surgy, http://imageshack.us :)
[06:47] <karthikp> Yeah. that should work!
[06:49] <surgy> http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1wt1.png
[06:49] <surgy> see the little white lines?
[06:49] <surgy> those line up perfectly with the left edges of my folders on my desktop
[06:50] <surgy> and of course the stand out more when a darker app is running like wow
[06:52] <karthikp> Can anyone else see e'm? I can't...
[06:52] <surgy> i got a better one from blender you can almost make out my wow shortcut through the ui in blender
[06:52] <surgy> lol
[06:53] <surgy> nvm its not showing up in the snapshots i was just seeing them through my webrowser
[06:53] <karthikp> Seriously, dude(ss). I can't!
[06:53] <karthikp> Oh, okay, so it wasn't just me.
[06:53] <karthikp> Phew!
[06:54] <surgy> so how do i fix?
[06:55] <karthikp> Unless transparency is turned on, I've never seen it bugging apps.
[06:55] <karthikp> The quick fix is to set the opacity back to 100% if you see a window acting nutty.
[06:55] <surgy> well it buggs everything and i dont see an opacity option i only see a link to the window behavior which leads me back to the translucency.....
[06:55] <karthikp> Though, I realize it'll be vastly more enlightening to know just what's causing it to act nutty in the first place...
[06:56] <karthikp> Ah.
[06:56] <karthikp> Enable translucency, then.
[06:56] <karthikp> Set everything to 0%.
[06:56] <karthikp> Theoretically, it should be the same as having disabled it.
[06:57] <karthikp> (Or give it a try - you might like it) :)
[06:57] <surgy> lol ok enabled and opacity set to 100% and everything else is zero
[06:57] <surgy> same problem
[06:57] <karthikp> The window is transparent?
[06:57] <karthikp> All windows are?
[06:58] <surgy> well the same as before, all windows and everything running on my comp are effected
[06:58] <karthikp> Might help to restart X at this point. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and log back in.
[06:58] <karthikp> Perhaps that would fix it...
[06:58] <karthikp> Has anyone else seen this problem?
[06:58] <surgy> lol ok but it has other problems on restart
[06:58] <surgy> but restarts in the past have not fixed it
[06:59] <surgy> my grub is fried, i have to use the super grub disk to even load linux at all
[06:59] <karthikp> I'm at a loss because a) I've never seen it before, b) I'm a bit of a noob myself :)
[06:59] <surgy> how long you been on the scene?
[06:59] <karthikp> About a year and a half.
[06:59] <surgy> ive been around for about 10 months off and on as i need help
[07:00] <surgy> when is the next version of kubuntu scheduled for release? and what are the new features?
[07:01] <karthikp> Thou learns fast. I learn slow. Mostly, because my advisor will not fry me tomorrow if I don't know how to do stuff in linux. :)
[07:01] <karthikp> Motivation matters.
[07:01] <karthikp> Oct 23. Not much to write home about. Respectively.
[07:02] <DaSkreech> oct 18
[07:02] <karthikp> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu
[07:02] <karthikp> I stand corrected.
[07:03] <surgy> lol my job whould fire me in a heart beat if i were cought setting at my desk for more than 45 seconds or so, i say "why do i even have a desk then?" << "becuase we f'in say so thats why"
[07:03] <karthikp> :D
[07:04] <surgy> im a supervisor at an old dominion freightline dock
[07:04] <karthikp> Aerospace grad myself. "Slave for your advisor"  - our motto. (Who seriously, is a really nice guy :) )
[07:05] <surgy> ahh, "grunt for life" is our motto, but the pay is good and i choose my own hours
[07:06] <karthikp> Is it just me or does anyone else underwhelmed by the feature set for the next Kubuntu release?
[07:06] <DaSkreech> karthikp: We are in a hold pattern until KDE4 :)
[07:07] <karthikp> surgy: I still get to choose my own hours. For now, I'm on a 28 hour day (three days and going strong) http://xkcd.com/320/
[07:07] <karthikp> Yeah, when KDE4 was dropped from the next release, I felt saddened and everything else somehow doesn't seem to make up for it.
[07:08] <karthikp> But, I guess it must be said that it was a wise decision in hindsight.
[07:08] <karthikp> KDE4 itself got pushed back and this way, by the time Kubuntu uses it, it'll have been tested by everyone else for at least four months...
[07:08] <surgy> yeah that sux
[07:09] <surgy> but im really digging the restricted module tools that are comming
[07:09] <karthikp> Yeah, but that only helps the new users.
[07:09] <surgy> video driver install isnt hard its just a pain and im exstatic that they are fixing it
[07:09] <karthikp> Nice, but what's in it for me, who already has all the packages installed? :)
[07:09] <surgy> helps me when my mom calls me saying i dont know why my mahjong is gittery
[07:10] <christopher__> in beryl i have like 14 desktops and i wanna take it down to say 4 how do i do that
[07:10] <karthikp> :D
[07:10] <christopher__> it is really slowing things doen
[07:10] <karthikp> Meesa no use beryl, buddy.
[07:10] <surgy> i allways go for a fresh install every 6 months, part of my maintanance and i also do a minor upgrade to keep my comp top notch
[07:10] <karthikp> surgy: bingo!
[07:10] <christopher__> u should use linux then no need for all that
[07:11] <surgy> ?
[07:11] <karthikp> ?
[07:11] <christopher__> why do a fresh install of linux every 6 months
[07:11] <karthikp> Yeah, like this is a channel full of linux users.
[07:11] <surgy> anyways when 7.1 drops in ill be adding another 1gb ram and a new heatsink and new fans and reinstallling
[07:11] <karthikp> Oh.
[07:11] <karthikp> It's 7.10.
[07:12] <surgy> lol yea yea
[07:12] <karthikp> Like 2007 (7.) October (10)
[07:12] <markgreene> Hey guys. Where do I go to talk about a problem I found with an update that went out for the Gusty Beta? It's a critical issue, seeing as my system wont boot into the new kernel that was installed i the updates
[07:12] <surgy> http://www.kubuntu.com/
[07:12] <surgy> forumns
[07:12] <karthikp> Or the IRC channel at #kubuntu :)
[07:14] <surgy> another thing i wanna see is kubuntu leaning more torwards performance and away from functionality
[07:14] <surgy> should be about 60/40 40% functionality
[07:15] <karthikp> I think that should be set at 50/50 default, with options to lean either way as the user prefers.
[07:15] <surgy> and its getting more and more memory intensive and im not liking that much
[07:15] <karthikp> I have to agree with that.
[07:16] <surgy> i think idle ram usage, as in when only xwin and the kernal + crap it needs should be very very small
[07:16] <karthikp> Maybe with the coming of KDE4 (can I get a hallelujah?) these problems will be solved.
[07:16] <karthikp> Much of what slows it down is because of eyecandy.
[07:17] <karthikp> And KDE4 comes with built in eyecandy and is supposed to run fast(er) than KDE3 doing the same bling.
[07:17] <surgy> well mine is all turned off, lol i have a lot of drivers but that shouldnt count for much
[07:17] <surgy> i idle around 125 mb ram
[07:17] <surgy> i think it should be more like 90 mb or less
[07:18] <karthikp> The first thing I did with my install was turn everything on and increase the fade-in/out times. So, everything fades in and out slowly. Looks really nifty and relaxes you when you're feverishly switching windows...
[07:18] <surgy> when i game i should have a shear advantage in raw power over my windows oponents just from my os using very little ram
[07:19] <markgreene> guys. any suggestions on this problem. I had a message that said I needed to restart my computer for updates to take affect. When I resarted it would always hang on "Running local rc.d scripts" or something along that verbage. If I hit escape and boot into a different kernel it works just fine.
[07:19] <karthikp> Just the application data - 360 MB (For shame! :P )
[07:19] <surgy> but i dont, my kubuntu performs at close to the same speed as someone using winxp
[07:19] <markgreene> The kernel selection that hangs is 2.6.22-13 and the kernel that works is 2.6.22-12
[07:19] <surgy> markgreene: try booting into your recovery kernal and then running your apt-get update and upgrade again aand then reboot back into your primary kernal
[07:20] <markgreene> surgy: i will try that. What's the command? Just apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade?
[07:20] <surgy> markgreene: sudo apt-get update
[07:20] <karthikp> I play the odd game, but I boot into xp for that.
[07:21] <surgy> markgreene: and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:21] <markgreene> surgy: I will try it now and report back. Thanks
[07:21] <karthikp> Gaming from linux seems like a roundabout way to do something that's designed to be done in another way.
[07:21] <surgy> np
[07:21] <karthikp> Till they natively port games to linux at least.
[07:21] <surgy> well thats a way to look at it, but if you every tinkered with winex or cedega or both you can feal the power trying to leech out
[07:22] <karthikp> Right now, aside from Office for research papers (I know, I should learn latex...), games are the only reason I even have an xp partition.
[07:22] <surgy> everquest in cedega runs on average 30 fps higher than it does on winxp
[07:22] <surgy> battlefield 1942 gets an average of 9 more fps
[07:23] <surgy> world of war craft gets between +1 and - 5 fps through cedega as compared to winxp pro
[07:24] <karthikp> That's not bad at all.
[07:24] <surgy> no
[07:24] <surgy> not really
[07:24] <karthikp> I always thought that linux performance would be less than or equal to winxp's.
[07:24] <surgy> but i should get better results
[07:24] <karthikp> Like your wow stat.
[07:24] <surgy> no it gets higher much higher on some games
[07:24] <surgy> call of duty actually has to be modified to lower the fps
[07:24] <karthikp> Maybe then, you need a leaner, meaner distro.
[07:25] <karthikp> Kubuntu certainly makes no effort to be lean or mean.
[07:25] <surgy> i was at 148 fps when i first installed it, give or take 10
[07:25] <karthikp> :)
[07:25] <markgreene> surgy: I am at the prompt and in the recovery mode my ethernet card is not detected. When I do ifconfig all I see is the local loopback. When I run init.d/networking start it tells me it's ignoring unknown interface eth0 etc...
[07:26] <surgy> markgreene: how attached are you to your install?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> markgreene: Gutsy issues can be taken up in #ubuntu+1 as mentioned in the topic
[07:27] <surgy> so thats the final word i wont fix anymore of my problems untill gutsy arives
[07:27] <surgy> and then its sweep and clean for me
[07:27] <markgreene> DaSkreech: Ha! You're correct. Reading the topic might keep me from stepping on toes in the future. I will finish up this convo with surgy and take the rest of my issues to the correct channel. thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[07:27] <karthikp> Yup. I guess. And if you really want to wait for KDE4... :)
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Beta 3 is getting tagged now :)
[07:28] <markgreene> surgy: I am not VERY attatched, but surely it won't come to that?!
[07:28] <DaSkreech> we can play with it pretty soon
[07:28] <surgy> there for a min i was leaning on fedora lol what a mistake that was
[07:29] <surgy> markgreene: well from experience its faster to just reinstall, but that is the extent of my knowledge on the subject at hand
[07:29] <karthikp> Food for thought: if you want to game, would changing your desktop environment to something lean like ratpoision might save you a ton of RAM.
[07:29] <surgy> maybe
[07:29] <markgreene> surgy: Well if its going to be a reinstall then I mind as well break everything else exploring :-)
[07:29] <karthikp> I'll bet it run waaay lighter than a heavy option like KDE or even GNOME...
[07:30] <surgy> but then i whould be tempted to customize other things and then other things and then i whould burry myself
[07:30] <karthikp> markgreene: that's the sporit of a linux user.
[07:30] <karthikp> *spirit.
[07:30] <surgy> markgreene: good way to look at it might i suggest you tear open your fstab and switch stuff aaround?
[07:31] <markgreene> surgy: I think I am going to investigate whats being run when it hangs at that prompt "Running local rc.d scripts" and go form there
[07:31] <markgreene> karthikp: That's the spirit of a geek!
[07:31] <surgy> so whats the lightest easiest to install windows manager that wont rape me in commpelxity?
[07:32] <ardchoille> Is there a way to get konversation to differentiate between identified and unidentified users?
[07:32] <markgreene> karthikp: My girlfriend would say I am the same way when it comes to relationships :-/
[07:32] <Doctor_Nick> =(
[07:32] <Doctor_Nick> 10 more days til gutsy
[07:34] <karthikp> surgy: I've seen someone use ratpoision. It's literally nothingness.
[07:35] <NickPresta> karthikp, I used RP for a couple weeks
[07:35] <karthikp> Everywindow runs fullscreen. There's nothing else! THe horror!
[07:35] <NickPresta> I was programming something and I didn't need anything but Vim and a terminal :P
[07:35] <karthikp> To each his own, I guess.
[07:36] <karthikp> To me, it was like the Total Perspective Vortex.
[07:36] <karthikp> Left my soul hollow. :P
[07:37] <karthikp> Came back to KDE and (attempted) to make sweet, sweet love to kicker.
[07:37] <karthikp> No further comments.
[07:38] <dotz> what is the default file permission and access when i create a new file? is there anyway to change the default?
[07:39] <karthikp> Isn't the default inherited from the parent directory?
[07:39] <jdong> dotz: umask command
[07:40] <dotz> oh
[07:40] <jdong> dotz: default permissions will be 777 - umask, use umask 027 to set mask 750, for example
[07:41] <Jucato> jdong: isn't it 664 for files?
[07:42] <Jucato> er.. 022 I mean...
[07:42] <jdong> Jucato: 644 is default, yeah
[07:42] <Jucato> umask = 022, so the default will be 644
[07:43] <Jucato> bah got confused
[07:43] <jdong> Jucato: right; the most common usecase for changing the mask is to go for an 027
[07:43] <Jucato> I see
[07:43] <dotz> jdong: erm thx. how is umask 027 = chmod 750 ?
[07:43] <DaSkreech> !umask
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Bah
[07:44] <dotz> i try to man umask but not available
[07:44] <jdong> dotz: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask
[07:44] <karthikp> 027 + 750 = 777
[07:44] <DaSkreech> dotz: help umask
[07:44] <karthikp> Binary 7 is 111.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> dotz: if you run <type umask> you will see it's a builtin
[07:45] <karthikp> 5 is 101 etc.
[07:45] <jdong> of course you'll need to put this umask directive in your shell's rc file, or in PAM's environment
[07:45] <DaSkreech> It has no man file just a help file
[07:49] <dotz> ok so if i want default = 644.. my umask should be 022?
[07:50] <Jucato> umask is 022 by default
[07:50] <Jucato> it produces 755 for files and 644 for folders
[07:50] <jdong> Jucato: other way? :)
[07:51] <jdong> Jucato: though the way you suggested would be comical for april 1st :)
[07:51] <Jucato> oh yeah
[07:51] <Jucato> lol
[07:51] <Jucato> sorry.. I always get dizzy over umask..
[07:51] <jdong> poor dotz, we're probably confusing the heck out of him :)
[07:51] <Jucato> I'm confused as well :)
[07:52] <dotz> yes
[07:52] <jdong> dotz: the default umask is indeed 022 which yields 644 for files. If you want a different mask, let us know and we'll do the thinking for you :)
[07:52] <dotz> very confused haha
[07:53] <dotz> my current umask is 0007 .. all my files are -rw-rw----
[07:53] <dotz> i want it to be -rw-r--r--
[07:53] <jdong> dotz: have you manually modified this umask value before? The value you report is not Ubuntu's default
[07:54] <dotz> yah i guess so.. it is another user's umask not my default user
[07:54] <jdong> (it doesnt' help that there's like 10 different places one could set the umask either...)
[07:54] <dotz> i'm sure different user have different umask right?
[07:55] <jdong> Jucato: each shell's rc file in home, /etc global shell rc, /etc/profile, /etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.d's pam-umask thing...
[07:55] <dotz> ok so i think the umask i need is umask 0022
[07:55] <Jucato> yay!
[07:55] <dotz> so i just type umask 0022 with that user logged in, and it will stay as it is?
[07:55] <jdong> dotz: no it won't...
[07:56] <jdong> dotz: there's something in your login environment setting the umask to 007
[07:56] <dotz> ic.. i'm using su saddotz to log in
[07:57] <jdong> dotz: is only one user affected by this strange umask, or do all your users have 007?
[07:57] <dotz> i think only saddotz is having 007..that's why he's sad
[07:58] <jdong> dotz: check the user's .bashrc, .bash_profile, .shrc, .profile files for the presence of a umask command
[08:02] <dotz> .bash_profile:umask 007
[08:02] <dotz> .bash_profile~:umask 022
[08:02] <dotz> .bashrc:umask 007
[08:03] <dotz> grep umask .*
[08:03] <Jucato> kool, mine is in .profile only hahah!
[08:04] <dotz> so i have to change both bashrc and bash_profile!
[08:04] <Jucato> hm... .bash_profile sources/reads .bashrc... dunno which one overrides which....
[08:05] <Jucato> oh wait, my umask line in .profile is commented out hehe
[08:08] <ardchoille> Is there a way to use variables in ~/.bash_aliases? For instance I want to install an app so I do "myinstall app_name" and ~/.bash_aliases has "alias myinstall='sudo apt-get install' $app_name"
[08:08] <jdong> dotz: well, it's better if you delete one and use the other :)
[08:09] <jdong> ardchoille: you simply specify  alias myinstall='sudo apt-get install'
[08:09] <jdong> ardchoille: everything you type after myinstall gets appended after install
[08:09] <ardchoille> jdong: Ok, perhaps that was a bad example
[08:10] <ssmasud> how do i enable hybernation on ubuntu??
[08:10] <ssmasud> for laptop
[08:10] <Jucato> it should be there already. either right-click on the batter icon in the system tray, or when you logout, an option will be presented to you for suspend or hibernate
[08:11] <ssmasud> no its says...restart, end session, turn off
[08:11] <Jucato> hm... weird...
[08:13] <ssmasud> ??..and how do i restore the session for my browser??
[08:20] <jdong> ardchoille: if you are looking for any more advanced parameter substitution then you'd want to define a function
[08:20] <jdong> foo(){ command -flag1 $1 -flag2 $2}
[08:21] <ardchoille> jdong: Ah, yeah, thanks
[08:21] <jdong> sure thing
[08:22] <Jucato> ah BASH...
[08:22] <Myrth[home] > hi, my laptop supports 1024x768 and i'm trying to increase resolution of console mode. in /boot/grub/menu.lst kopt=vga=791 does nothing and if i put in kernel line vga=791 it shows only blinking cursor in 80x25 mode.. what can i do? thanks
[08:23] <ardchoille> Myrth[home] : I use vga=791 at the end of kernel lines and it works. But I never used kopt=vga=791
[08:25] <ardchoille> Myrth[home] : perhaps two "=" signs is confusing things?
[08:25] <Myrth[home] > i'll try defoptions
[08:26] <ardchoille> Myrth[home] : yeah, mine is:  # defoptions=quiet vga=791
[08:27] <Myrth[home] > i wonder if there's a list of available modes somewhere..
[08:28] <ardchoille> Myrth[home] : There is, lemme find it..
[08:28] <Myrth[home] > thanks :)
[08:28] <Myrth[home] > i could find only few
[08:28] <Myrth[home] > not full list
[08:29] <Myrth[home] > ardchoille: i think found: http://www.mepis.org/node/2992
[08:30] <ardchoille> Myrth[home] :  http://www.mepis.org/node/2992
[08:30] <ardchoille> ha ha ha
[08:30] <Myrth[home] > lol
[08:30] <ardchoille> Myrth[home] : At least we're on the same page (pun intended)
[08:31] <ardchoille> Hmm.. maybe I should be using 792
[08:31] <jdong> andresj: kopt=vga=791 (on its own line) is the right way of doing it
[08:32] <jdong> andresj: the kernel lines should not be directly edited, as update-grub (every time a new kernel installs) will overwrite it
[08:32] <ardchoille> jdong: it won't be overwritten if you put it in defoptions
[08:33] <jdong> ardchoille: yeah, defoptions works too
[08:33] <Myrth[home] > i wonder if it's possible to change vga mode in runtime
[08:34] <Myrth[home] > found SVGATextMode but didn't figure out how to configure for my intel chipset..
[08:41] <sfasfd> i have 2 gutsy boxes 1 with internet connection 1 without ... if i cp /var/cache/apt/*deb on the non internet box than i have all the deb files but the updater doesn't know what to upgrade ... so what file do i have to cp to upgrade without internet connection?
[08:47] <ardchoille> sfasfd: gutsy help in #ubuntu+1
[08:48] <sfasfd> i asked the question in ubuntu+1 should be the same on feisty
[08:49] <sfasfd> all i need to know is where apt-get update writes to
[08:51] <Yz85Racer> Guys, I need a bit of help here. I removed a program with Adept Installer, but it's still on my KMenu, it doesn't load, but still there. And it's really annoying.
[08:52] <hangthedj> sfasfd, why doesn't the second computer have internet?
[08:53] <Yz85Racer> Nevermind, I worked it out.
[08:54] <Yz85Racer> Ok, next 1, how do you set Kate up to compile Java files? I've got cd "%directory" && konsole -e sh -c 'javac "%filename"; pause printf "%s" "Press any key to exit . . . "; read $dummy' as my script, and set it on f2. I press f2, it comes up, compiles and closes in like .2seconds. Nowhere near as long as I want it too, I want it too open, and stay there untill I close it, like the "pause" command in Windows.
[08:55] <sfasfd> no hangthedj thats my problem otherwise i could cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb run a apt-get update and he would not have to downloade all the *deb it works i tried that. now i need to know how to do a apt-get update without internet
[08:58] <ardchoille> sfasfd: apt-get update updates files from the repos (internet) and won't do any good to update the sources if you can't use the repos anyway
[09:03] <Yz85Racer> Ok, guys, got another question. When creating a .desktop file. How do you set it too run a shell file?
[09:03] <ardchoille> Yz85Racer: is this for a menu item?
[09:03] <Yz85Racer> it's for an IDE I use to program
[09:03] <Yz85Racer> that I'd like to put on my desktop
[09:04] <ardchoille> Yz85Racer: Perhaps use "sh file.sh" as the command in the .desktop file?
[09:04] <Yz85Racer> Instead of opening the file, opening terminal, sh idea.sh
[09:04] <Yz85Racer> etc
[09:04] <Yz85Racer> yes
[09:04] <Yz85Racer> but how
[09:04] <sfasfd> ardchoille: 181 upgrades are available 178MB) since i have a very slow internet connection i don't want to download that two times so i cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb to the second box if i connect this box than to the internet and do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it will only download the update list and use the *deb files from /var/cache/abt/archives/  so i get 0/178mb to download so thats quite handy ... but i have to have
[09:04] <sfasfd> internet for apt-get update to fetch the new update list which should be already somewhere on the internet connected box
[09:04] <emilsedgh> Yz85Racer: I think it depends on that application, but maybe exec option? better to as it on #kde-devel
[09:04] <Jucato> konsole -e "foo"?
[09:05] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: can you explain it more clearly?
[09:05] <Yz85Racer> Ohk
[09:05] <Yz85Racer> Umm......
[09:05] <ardchoille> sfasfd: Are these two identical computers?
[09:05] <sfasfd> yes ardchoille
[09:05] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: what is this shell file? you want this .sh file to run inside a Terminal when launched from the K Menu?
[09:06] <Yz85Racer> I want to put IntelliJ IDEA on my desktop. But I don't want to go into its file, go to bin, type sh idea.sh to run it everytime, I want to add a icon on the desktop which I click
[09:06] <sfasfd> it looks like update writes to /var/lib/apt/lists/
[09:07] <ardchoille> sfasfd: Then perhaps it would be easier to use partimage to clone the first box and install that image on the second box. I use http://sysresccd.org (use the partimage app) for that. clone the first box takes ten minutes and then use the image to restore the second box (takes ten minutes). I do this on 11 machines.
[09:07] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: when you create a Link to application on the desktop, there's an option there that says "Run in terminal" right? doesn't that work?
[09:07] <Yz85Racer> Jucato
[09:07] <Yz85Racer> NO.
[09:07] <Yz85Racer> Instead of going into /home/kyle/idea/bin
[09:07] <Yz85Racer> pressing f4
[09:07] <Yz85Racer> typing sh idea.sh
[09:08] <Yz85Racer> everytime I want to start the IDE. I want to add a .desktop item to the desktop so I can just click it
[09:08] <Jucato> right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to application  creates just that, a .desktop file on the Desktop.
[09:09] <Yz85Racer> says its malformatted
[09:10] <Yz85Racer> umm
[09:10] <Yz85Racer> :/
[09:10] <Yz85Racer> i dont know .sh
[09:10] <Yz85Racer> shell
[09:11] <Jucato> neither do I :)
[09:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: is Raptor in trunk? do you know?
[09:11] <Jucato> playground/base/ I think
[09:11] <Jucato> yep. it's there
[09:11] <Yz85Racer> #!/bin/bash
[09:11] <Yz85Racer> echo "Hi";
[09:12] <Yz85Racer> Jucato
[09:12] <Yz85Racer> try that
[09:12] <Yz85Racer> ops
[09:12] <Yz85Racer> remove the ;
[09:12] <Yz85Racer> at the end
[09:12] <Jucato> ok
[09:12] <Jucato> hold on for a while
[09:12] <emilsedgh> Jucato: so it will be included in Beta3?
[09:12] <sfasfd> thanks ardchoille i try cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*deb && /var/lib/apt/lists/ first if this doesnt work i try cloning
[09:13] <tokorona> I've got a issue with gcc. I cant' get it to compile a c++ application because it gives me this:
[09:13] <Jucato> emilsedgh: that I don't know
[09:13] <tokorona> korona@sakura-sama:/media/KINGSTON/cs211/hmwk0$ gcc -x c++ -o randomquote2 randomquote2.c
[09:13] <tokorona> gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory
[09:14] <ubunturos> tokorona: try using g++
[09:14] <tokorona> ah
[09:14] <tokorona> It was seperated?
[09:14] <Jucato> g++ is an alias to gcc with C++ flags
[09:14] <ubunturos> tokorona: no, just that g++ is a frontend to GCC's C++ compiler
[09:14] <tokorona> ah
[09:14] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: works here. I didn't manually create a .desktop file btw
[09:14] <Jucato> I just used Create New  -> Link to Application
[09:14] <Yz85Racer> what did you do?
[09:15] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to application
[09:15] <Yz85Racer> straight to the application
[09:15] <Yz85Racer> or to its directory
[09:15] <Yz85Racer> ?
[09:15] <Jucato> Command: sh foo.sh
[09:15] <Jucato> Work Path: path/to/where/it/is/
[09:16] <Jucato> I don't know if it's necessary for that IDE of yours, Advanced options button, Run in Terminal
[09:16] <Yz85Racer> yea
[09:16] <Yz85Racer> it gets anoying though
[09:16] <Jucato> anyway, it works here
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> :/
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> it does the loading animation
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> then doesnt do anything
[09:18] <Jucato> :/
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> ok
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> well
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> when i manually work it
[09:18] <Jucato> emilsedgh: btw, I think the raptor you saw in nuno's blog is just a mockup...
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> i need to add
[09:18] <tokorona> and that works but it now throws a fit when I type in <iostream.h> and doesn't compile when I type in <iostream>
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> Type=
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> how do I make that shell?
[09:19] <tokorona> Thanks for your help!
[09:20] <Jucato> Terminal=true
[09:20] <Jucato> TerminalOptions=\s--noclose
[09:20] <Jucato> bah patience :)
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> oops
[09:20] <Jucato> did you see what I pasted?
[09:20] <Jucato> and Type=Application
[09:21] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no, i dont think so
[09:21] <Jucato> emilsedgh: either that or raptop moved somewhere else, because the only raptor I'm seeing here definitely doesn't look like that nor does it work at all
[09:21] <emilsedgh> Jucato: I knew people were working on it and i saw things earlier...
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> Jucato
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> It comes up
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> and then goes away
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> terminal)
[09:22] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: did you put the option not to close the terminal?
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> yes
[09:22] <Jucato> emilsedgh: ok. then it's probably not in trunk/playground/base/ anymore....
[09:23] <Jucato> coz I'm not getting that
[09:23] <Jucato> weird...
[09:23] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: btw, why do you have %F?
[09:24] <Yz85Racer> whats %F?
[09:24] <emilsedgh> hm, so we have to use lancelot (kickoff)...i hate that, i dont like to have a HUGE screen for just a menu :(
 Exec=idea.sh %F
[09:24] <Jucato> you're the one that put it there.
[09:24] <Jucato> emilsedgh: lancelot != kickoff
[09:24] <Yz85Racer> i pinched that line
[09:24] <Yz85Racer> from another 1
[09:25] <Jucato> %F basically means it's accepting/waiting for filenames as arguments to the command
[09:25] <Jucato> as in idea.sh file1
[09:25] <Jucato> also you don't seem to have Path= setup?
[09:26] <Jucato> unless idea.sh is in your $PATH or home dir, it won't be found
[09:26] <Yz85Racer> oh
[09:27] <Jucato> you must always specify the correct path to an executable if it's not in a directory that's included in your $PATH
[09:27] <emilsedgh> Jucato: as i tried, it was the kickoff...
[09:28] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I used to think that way too. but it changed after some time. I don't mind big menus now, and find the K Menu a bit lacking...
[09:28] <Jucato> if  I want a "real" menu, I'd go for all the works. if I just want to quickly launch an app, a menu is overkill. that's what I use Katapult or launcher icons for
[09:31] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i found opening menu without clicking so bad, i dont like kickoff at all (yes, my personal isnt important), but lancelot looks like kickoff a lot.but atm with katapult, i think i do not open menu's even once/day
[09:32] <jimmacdonald> So! How do I create a remote mount point to a shared folder on another Ubuntu drive?
[09:33] <mark4646> hey all
[09:34] <mark4646> does it take 2 mins for kunbuntu to start up for you guys?
[09:34] <Jucato> nope
[09:36] <level1> hi, I'm trying to write a script to connect to my school's wifi network.  The script is able to connect and firefox and konversation can use the internet afterwords, but konqueror cannot (and I like konqueror)
[09:36] <jimmacdonald> not here eiter...
[09:36] <level1> mark4646: actually, I just clocked mine at 40s... are boot up times very important to you?  2 minutes isn't terrible
[09:37] <level1> jimmacdonald: theres probably a body of work describing how to do what you want to do
[09:38] <level1> !nfs | jimmacdonald
[09:38] <ubotu> jimmacdonald: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[09:39] <level1> jimmacdonald: actually, I've never used nfs, samba might be more up your alley
[09:39] <level1> !samba | jimmacdonald
[09:39] <ubotu> jimmacdonald: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:39] <jimmacdonald> level1: Samba doesn't seem like it's nessessary.. I am going from Linux boxen to Linux Boxen.
[09:40] <jimmacdonald> don't care about windows
[09:40] <mark4646> whoops sorry i wasnt paying attention
[09:40] <level1> jimmacdonald: well, I'm not terrible familiar with either of them, but reading the howto for nfs it seemed unnessarily complicated
[09:41] <mark4646> well i was just wondering about the boot time.  how lond does it take for you guys to boot up?..
[09:41] <jimmacdonald> it should be a matter of sharing the partition or folder and then modifying what ever Linux's version of /etc/mounttab to add the mount
[09:43] <ardchoille> mark4646: There's really no need to reboot unless you're working with the kernel
[09:43] <level1> mark4646: are you on a laptop or desktop?
[09:45] <mark4646> i have a laptop
[09:46] <mark4646> i guess i could just put it in stand by..
[09:46] <mark4646> or hibernate
[09:47] <level1> mark4646: use it.  you really see your laptop in a different way with suspend
[09:49] <mark4646> ok.  then you dont have to always be rebooting it
[09:55] <hangthedj> is there a program to create your own calendar, with like pictures and print it?
[09:56] <mark4646> how do you browse the local network?..
[09:57] <mark4646> i cant seem to find it
[09:58] <chm> i don't care about business. i care too much about progress so that i may fail. i am who i am as fucked as it is. yes
[09:59] <chm> i don't care about finance
[09:59] <mark4646> ?
[10:00] <chm> i just don't care about money or time. so there is no progress.
[10:00] <dotz> hi a question on umask.... i can only calculate what is my umask by directory's permission? eg 111 101 101 for directory = umask 022.. can i calculate my umask by file's permission? eg: 110 100 100 = umask ???
[10:00] <chm> time is money.
[10:00] <chm> but i don't care
[10:02] <naught101> anyone know why I can't move the tabs to the top in konsole?
[10:02] <naught101> I mean, I can, but it doesn't save
[10:02] <naught101> next time I open it, it's back at the bottom
[10:03] <ranji> so I installed Firefox using Adept, then I installed the JRE for firefox using Adept, except Firefox is still telling me I need to install plugins when I go to java.com
[10:03] <naught101> nevermind
[10:04] <human> i was happiest when i had a problem
[10:04] <human> that i could see
[10:04] <human> the biggest enemies are the ones that you can't see
[10:06] <human> i am human. remember that
[10:07] <DaSkreech> You think non humans are happy when they have an enemy they can't see?
[10:10] <human> i don't need pen
[10:10] <human> i don't need a notebook
[10:10] <human> i don't need to descipline myself
[10:11] <human> i don't need a desk
[10:11] <xid> any idea why Java doesn't work in Firefox after installing using Adept?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> !java
[10:11] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:11] <human> !i am who i am
[10:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i am who i am - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:12] <xid> hmmm... I'm on Gutsy
[10:12] <DaSkreech> xid: Gutsy help is in #ubuntu+1
[10:12] <xid> ok
[10:13] <Fleck> ;p
[10:14] <Tm_T> good morning jono
[10:18] <ardchoille> Tm_T: Thank you. That person has been a pest for days.
[10:21] <jono> heya Tm_T
[10:28] <hatter> can the kde manus be loaded into ram ?
[10:28] <hatter> 'menus'
[10:28] <hatter> what i mean is, everytime i click on the kde symbol there is hard drive access for the menu
[10:28] <hatter> and the following menus
[10:29] <hatter> creates lag
[10:30] <ardchoille> hatter: Is this on an installed or livecd system?
[10:30] <hatter> installed feisty kubuntu
[10:30] <ardchoille> hatter: Is it an old computer? I ask because my menus in Feisty installed system are quite fast.
[10:31] <hatter> quite noticeable when going from windows the lag for common functions, so i guess windows prefetches to a ramdisk or something
[10:31] <hatter> um
[10:31] <hatter> Pentium 4, something
[10:31] <hatter> 1.7 or 2 g
[10:31] <hatter> i will check
[10:32] <hatter> 2Ghz P4
[10:32] <ardchoille> hatter: Sounds like something else is running in the background causing everything to be slower. Open a terminal and type: top
[10:32] <hatter> there is 2 gig of ram
[10:32] <hatter> in this box
[10:33] <hatter> nothing too unusual looking in top
[10:33] <hatter> though
[10:33] <hatter> cpu running around 20 %superkaramba
[10:33] <ardchoille> try quitting superkaramba and check again
[10:33] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:34] <ardchoille> !fr
[10:34] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:34] <hatter> yeah much better without superkaramba
[10:34] <ardchoille> :)
[10:34] <hatter> i think dual core cpus would be necessary for beryl and superkaramba
[10:34] <ardchoille> hatter: You got a superkaramba module doing sysinfo stuff or something?
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: nice blog
[10:35] <hatter> ardchoille, yes
[10:35] <ardchoille> hatter: I thought so
[10:35] <Jucato> DaSkreech: thanks
[10:35] <Jucato> although I made an error earlier :/
[10:35] <sbucatino> AVE channel
[10:35] <hatter> shame, superkaramba is a nice addition
[10:36] <ardchoille> hatter: Yeah, sk is nice.. maybe you should find a different module to d what you want, one that isn't so resource intensive.
[10:37] <hatter> ardchoille, right
[10:37] <hatter> ardchoille, i will thx :)
[10:37] <ardchoille> hatter: http://www.kde-look.org has lots of sk modules
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Jucato: by proclaiming love for blue?
[10:37] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no. by saying Berlin instead of Belgium :/
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Ah :0
[10:37] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[10:41] <jimmacdonald> level1 are you still around?
[10:54] <emilsedgh> commit digest is not there yet, I cannot wait!
[10:54] <_4strO> Jucato: can you give the blog url again plz
[10:55] <Jucato> _4strO: which blog?
[10:55] <_4strO> [10:35]  <DaSkreech> Jucato: nice blog :)
[10:55] <_4strO> the nice one
[10:55] <emilsedgh> jucato.org :P
[10:55] <_4strO> ok thx
[10:56] <emilsedgh> Jucato: _4strO means Jucato's Data Core ;)
[10:56] <Jucato> aah
[10:56] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/blog
[10:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: love your kde blog entry :)
[10:59] <Jucato> hehe thanks :)
[11:01] <DaSkreech> Night all
[11:02] <ardchoille> nn DaSkreech
[11:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you're late
[11:02] <DaSkreech> very
[11:02] <DaSkreech> I hve work in 3 hours
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Heard about the OO.o split ?
[11:04] <DaSkreech> Well fracas :)
[11:11] <Fleck> anyone can help set up kde4?
[11:12] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[11:12] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[11:12] <leon> Does anyone know when Gutsy is released?
[11:12] <Jucato> Oct. 18
[11:13] <Jucato> 2007 of course
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> Hey guys, what does
[11:13] <Fleck> ;p
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> >g++ -pedantic -Os -c TestScite.cpp -o TestScite.o
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> sh: g++: not found
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> >Exit code: 127
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> mean?
[11:13] <Fleck> Yz85Racer install g++
[11:13] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: you haven't installed build-essential
[11:13] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[11:13] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:13] <Jucato> (which takes care of GCC plus a few other things
[11:13] <leon> g++ was not found i.e. not installed
[11:13] <Jucato> different replies, same answer :)
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> Fleck
[11:13] <Yz85Racer> where do I download it?
[11:14] <Fleck> adept
[11:14] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: I just gave you the package name: build-essential
[11:32] <ichor_> I am trying to update my system, as far as can -- preferably to Feisty (or more?).  The problem is that I am working in KDE, and the support pages only explain how to upgrade when you are using Gnome.  Does anyone have any tips?  Thank you.
[11:32] <flaccid> !upgrade
[11:32] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:32] <flaccid> !upgrading
[11:33] <flaccid> there is a kubuntu specific guide somewhere. would help if they made it accessible
[11:34] <flaccid> just use adept, ichor_
[11:34] <ichor_> Thank you, uboto, but isn't it necessary to update incrementally?  In that case, I should first update to Edgy.
[11:35] <flaccid> no you can upgrade from anywhere
[11:35] <flaccid> there is no definitive guide for ubuntu/kubuntu so its all over the place in terms of doco
[11:35] <flaccid> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[11:36] <ichor_> Flaccid: can I just write "update to Feisty" or something like that, in Adept?
[11:36] <ardchoille> flaccid: All the upgrade guide4s I have seen say to upgrade one release at a time.. not go from Hoary to Feisty all at once
[11:36] <flaccid> ardchoille, thats because nobody has written a guide to upgrade like that. i've done it dozens of times.
[11:36] <flaccid> ichor_, no that i know of
[11:37] <flaccid> if you enable the fiesty repos... and do dist-upgrade it will take you to feisty. but i never recommend upgrading via gui as upgrades are rarely smooth anyway
[11:37] <ardchoille> # cp /etc/apt/sources.{list,list.bak}; sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:37] <flaccid> its merely a dif repos with more recent version of dif packages
[11:37] <ardchoille> ?? That's the hard way of doing it
[11:38] <flaccid> i didn't write the guide
[11:38] <ardchoille> Easier to: sed -i.backup s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:38] <flaccid> why is that hard, its one line ?
[11:38] <flaccid> ardchoille, update the wiki page then
[11:38] <ardchoille> You can use sed to make a backup and edit all at once
[11:38] <flaccid> cool
[11:47] <ichor_> What do I need to do to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy?
[11:48] <ardchoille> !upgrade | ichor_
[11:48] <ubotu> ichor_: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:49] <ardchoille> ichor_: I upgraded from Edgy to Feisty and it broke everything
[11:49] <Jucato> flaccid: the recommended upgrade path is to do it incrementally. that doing one big jump worked for you is great. but still the recommended way remains the same
[11:50] <Jucato> but again, it is after all, only recommended afaik.
[11:50] <bazhang> ichor_: best wait and skip straight to Gutsy (after 10/18, of course!). Feisty made me take a hiatus from Ubunut..
[11:51] <ichor_> I've got some X issues.  Figured an upgrade might help.
[11:52] <flaccid> Jucato, where can i read about this recommended way and who recommended it?
[11:52] <ardchoille> ichor_: upgrading to a beta release might cause more issues
[11:52] <Jucato> the devs. dunno if it's written in stone though. feel free to ask in #ubuntu-devel and #kubuntu-devel
[11:52] <Jucato> feel free to also prove them wrong if they are
[11:52] <Jucato> would be nice to probably skip releases
[11:52] <JimmyDee> if it aint broke, you ought not be diddlin with it
[11:53] <ardchoille> flaccid: The UpgradeNotes page says "Skipping versions is not advised and can cause a lot of damage to your installation."
[11:53] <JimmyDee> not skipping versions can cause major damage to your beer budget and hairline
[11:54] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:54] <ichor_> Thank you, uboto, but I already have all the papers from the link you gave me, printed out here in front of me.  They don't say much about how to upgrade from within a KDE environment.
[11:54] <Jucato> !thanks | ichor_
[11:54] <Jucato> hm.. slow...
[11:54] <ubotu> ichor_: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:55] <Jucato> there!
[11:55] <ichor_> Whatever.
[11:55] <ardchoille> !botsnack
[11:55] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[11:56] <ardchoille> Gee, it's fast when it comes to botsnacks ;)
[11:56] <JimmyDee> I just changed all the feisty's to gutsy and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:56] <flaccid> link to upgradenotes please
[11:56] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[11:56] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:56] <ichor_> Neither Edgy nor Feisty are considered "beta releases" any more, are they?
[11:56] <Jucato> !update
[11:56] <Jucato> ichor_: nope. only gutsy is still beta
[11:56] <ardchoille> ichor_: The only beta right now is gutsy
[11:56] <flaccid> hmm that just looks like more community doco to me. i could just edit it
[11:56] <flaccid> ah well
[11:56] <flaccid> ubuntu is mess
[11:57] <ardchoille> If you edit the docs and change from that which is recommended, you could be sending a lot of readers down the wrong path
[11:57] <Jucato> ichor_: if you followed the links for each upgrade on that UpgradeNotes page, you would see instructions for Kubuntu (that's KDE)
[11:58] <Jucato> ardchoille: fell on deaf ears
[11:58] <ichor_> Well, what I want to do is first to update from Dapper to Edgy.  If I still experience any X problems, I will probably continue and update to Feisty.
[11:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: :(
[11:59] <ardchoille> ichor_: What is the problem with x?
[11:59] <ardchoille> It's possible you can fix it and the wait until the 18th
[12:00] <ichor_> I'm messing around trying to merge Enlightenment with KDE.  Probably stupid, but.....
[12:01] <bazhang> ichor_: sounds like fun!
[12:01] <JimmyDee> doesnt it automatically give you a E-KDE session when you install enlightenment?
[12:01] <ardchoille> ichor_: Changing the window manager should have been easy
[12:01] <ichor_> Jucato: on the pages mentioned above, there are no links to instructions on how to upgrade from withing KDE.
[12:01] <ardchoille> enlightenment --replace
[12:02] <Jucato> ichor_: Kubuntu = using KDE
[12:02] <ardchoille> ichor_: If the docs are all terminal commands, it matters not which desktop you are using
[12:02] <Jucato> FOr Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-d8c4cd1dd987e54723fef2760b37f9279487551f (there was no simple GUI way to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy back then)
[12:03] <ichor_> Yes, that's easy, but the X server doesn't like Enlightenment, and goes down occasionally, with less fun debugging as a result.
[12:03] <Jucato> For Edgy to Feisty: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#head-6146e7b1dd7a50f5029fd0704e38cad9420c000a
[12:03] <bazhang> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade-2x?
[12:03] <ichor_> Thank you, Jucato!
[12:04] <ardchoille> bazhang: lol
[12:04] <bazhang> ardchoille: whazzup? do you never log off or sleep?
[12:05] <ardchoille> bazhang: Sleep? What's that?
[12:05] <bazhang> ardchoille: hahahahaha
[12:05] <ardchoille> bazhang: log off? from my machine? or irc?
[12:06] <ardchoille> my machine, no.. reboots are for Windows. From irc, yes.. occasionally
[12:06] <bazhang> ardchoille: irc..haha..I know better than to ask about your computer--isn't it welded to you?
[12:06] <ardchoille> How did you know? :)
[12:06] <ardchoille> bazhang: You think I'm bad.. Jucato livs here, lol
[12:07] <Jucato> excuse me?
[12:07] <Jucato> I practically own this place.
[12:07] <ardchoille> hehe
[12:08] <bazhang> ardchoille: of that I have no doubt..haha..just kidding jucato...
[12:08] <Jucato> you were?
[12:09] <ichor_> Unfortunately, "gksu" is a command not found in my system. Support pages stress that the alternative way to upgrade  using apt-get  is Not Recommended. They probably know what they're talking about. Are there other alternatives?v
[12:10] <Jucato> ichor_: it's only not recommended for Ubuntu. but on Kubuntu there is no other way (at least for Dapper to Edgy)
[12:10] <Jucato> but let me see if I can find something
[12:10] <ardchoille> ichor_: I seriously doubt that upgrading is going to fix your elnightenment/kde problem.
[12:10] <ichor_> Worth a shot.
[12:11] <ardchoille> You don't understand how wm's and de's work then
[12:11] <ichor_> Nope.
[12:12] <ichor_> Didnt't Dapper have a bad reputation concerning X?
[12:12] <ichor_> I understand some of it.
[12:13] <ardchoille> If it did, I never saw it. I think Dapper was the best release so far.. I never had a single problem in it and I ran different wm's in gnome and kde
[12:14] <ichor_> So you'd recommend that I keep on going with Dapper, then?
[12:14] <hosein> hi
[12:14] <hosein> 
[12:14] <ardchoille> ichor_:  As opposed to upgrading to a beta release? Yes
[12:15] <ichor_> But are Edgy and Feisty beta releases?
[12:15] <ardchoille> no
[12:15] <ichor_> So???
[12:16] <chx> if i suspend to ram and come back, nor ktorrent nor konvesation can't connect to any http host any more and kopete fails to log in to MSN. Apparently something needs to be restarted, but what
[12:16] <JimmyDee> maybe /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[12:16] <Bun> Hey guys, wonder if you can help meh, just installed the ATI Restricted drivers but after the restart my screen is totaly corrupted when it laods the desktop, screen is just compelatly green with bright green lines. can i reverse the isntall from recuvery?
[12:17] <JimmyDee> yes
[12:17] <Bun> cool, is there a guide on how to do this? i havnt been able to find one.
[12:18] <JimmyDee> boot to recovery then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <Bun> ah right, ill try that thanks
[12:18] <JimmyDee> then select ati
[12:18] <JimmyDee> nof fglrx
[12:18] <JimmyDee> not
[12:19] <Bun> ok
[12:19] <chx> JimmyDee: ah. i just did a dhclient eth0
[12:20] <JimmyDee> that getcha workin?
[12:20] <chx> JimmyDee: i do not know but I will try next time :)
[12:21] <chx> another question. let's suppose i go over gutsy and it ... just does not work. is there a way to come back to feisty in the worst case without having any external media?
[12:21] <JimmyDee> always have external media
[12:21] <ardchoille> no
[12:21] <chx> OK, then i will get some DVD-R from some shop (I am abroad with a laptop) and burn a kubuntu dvd
[12:22] <chx> how shall I proceed , then,  to revert an aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:22] <JimmyDee> I think it starts with a little program called parted
[12:22] <ardchoille> chx: Once you upgrade, there's no coming back unless you reinstall from media
[12:23] <chx> UH
[12:23] <chx> I think I will not go gutsy for several months then
[12:23] <chx> it'd be way too dangerous
[12:24] <JimmyDee> in the windows vernacular...F...O...R...M...A...T
[12:24] <chx> or maybe not...
[12:24] <chx> home is on another partition than /
[12:24] <JimmyDee> thats handy
[12:24] <chx> am I right that in this case an OS reinstall won't fry my data
[12:25] <JimmyDee> got postgresql or mysql goin on?
[12:25] <chx> I am pretty experienced with all this but in 2005 I managed to render a laptop unbootable and since then i am very cautious
[12:25] <chx> i have both but no valuable data in them
[12:25] <ardchoille> chx: as long as the installer doesn't format /home you should be ok
[12:25] <chx> I am just testin' stuff w/ them
[12:25] <Bun> Jim you said not to install fglrx, is there another driver i can use to get accelerated GFX and desktop effects?
[12:26] <JimmyDee> I was just stopping the problem bun
[12:26] <chx> is the graphics install (non-alternative, i mean) is as controllable as the alternative?
[12:26] <chx> i always used the alternative before
[12:26] <Jucato> nope
[12:26] <Jucato> the Desktop CD installer is very very basic
[12:26] <chx> okay then i will stick to alternative
[12:26] <chx> that works very well for me
[12:26] <ardchoille> the alternate cd installer is much better
[12:27] <JimmyDee> if they could just get it to ask all the questions then do the install on its own
[12:27] <chx> I was brought up without a GUI, often I feel GUIs cumbersome and awkward compared to CLI . A rare exception is knetworkmanager , big kudos to the authors, i loathed setting up wpa.
[12:28] <ardchoille> Eventually I'd like to see the installer be able to allow the user to choose additional packages to install during the install
[12:28] <JimmyDee> eww, that reaks of redhat
[12:28] <chx> RHEL is the devil's own without a doubt
[12:29] <ardchoille> Hmm.. that may not be a good diea.. would make it more than 1 disk
[12:29] <ardchoille> yeah
[12:29] <JimmyDee> give me the absolute base install and I'll build you a system
[12:29] <ardchoille> JimmyDee: indeed
[12:29] <ardchoille> ignore my bad ideas
[12:29] <chx> at least for a decade i always used Debian on my servers but now my workplace rents servers and they have RHEL on them.
[12:30] <chx> and despite I use Linux on my desktop/laptop for three years, I still find some hidden tricks here and there
[12:31] <JimmyDee> I want an install that asks me all the questions that its gonna ask then installs, and preferably the base system in less than 10 mins
[12:31] <chx> like getting my laptop to suspend to ram. and restore. that involves removing and reloading kernel modules... but still, it works, great.
[12:32] <chx> the only reason i want to go to gutsy is that i hope a newer kenel will give me less grief about this
[12:32] <JimmyDee> it only asks like 9 questions, why cant it get all that up front so I can take a coffee during the install?
[12:33] <chx> JimmyDee: interesting idea
[12:33] <JimmyDee> something like saaaay, unattended install?
[12:41] <mosiac> hi im having a little trouble with divx
[12:42] <daminator> hi
[12:42] <daminator> i have kubuntu 7.10
[12:42] <daminator> will this tutorial work?
[12:42] <daminator> http://www.ubuntufreunde.de/forum/241/beryl_mit_ati_grafikkarte.html
[12:42] <daminator> it's about installing beryl with ati on ubuntu
[12:43] <daminator> or what lines i have to adapt to kde/kubuntu?
[12:43] <stdin> daminator: beryl is dead
[12:44] <stdin> daminator: compiz-fusion is what you want
[12:44] <daminator> is there a tutorial for ati cards?
[12:44] <daminator> i have the orginal ati drivers
[12:45] <stdin> daminator: I think all you need to do is install the ati driver then install compiz-fusion, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion < just ignore the repositories part
[12:45] <daminator> original sorry^
[12:45] <daminator> okay thank you i'll give a try :)
[12:46] <stdin> daminator: you'll get better help in #ubuntu+1 the gutsy support channel :)
[12:46] <anton_> hi my sound doesnt work for a few days now, since i have updated the system
[12:47] <mosiac> i followed the restricted formats wiki article but from there i seem stuck
[12:47] <anton_> alsaconf is succesfull but it doesnt work yet and mixer is also ok
[12:48] <anton_> ive reinstalled all packages which i found with keyword alsa
[12:48] <anton_> and it doesnt work yet
[12:48] <ardchoille> !sound
[12:48] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:53] <mosiac> im looking for some kubuntu speed tweaking can i follow ubuntu tutorials for the same thing for the most part
[12:57] <apparle> is there anything similar to KMix
[12:58] <apparle> any volume control applet
[12:59] <anton_> alsamixer
[12:59] <apparle> I use OSS
[01:00] <apparle> ALSA doesnot work for me
[01:02] <apparle> anton_: Do u know anyother volume applet
[01:03] <anton_> kmix
[01:04] <apparle> anton_:except kmix
[01:04] <anton_> no
[01:04] <anton_> search in adept
[01:05] <apparle> i donot have net at home. Please search it for me
[01:06] <apparle> anton_: i donot have net at home. Please search it for me
[01:09] <anton_> ermixer
[01:09] <apparle> anybody else knows a volume control applet other than Kmix
[01:11] <JimmyDee> gnome-alsamixer lol
[01:12] <jussi01> How do I get my sound in firefox/flash to pipe out my ubs headset? (not my laptop speakers)?
[01:12] <apparle> anton_:does ermixer work with OSS
[01:13] <apparle> JimmyDee:I want a applet for OSS drivers
[01:19] <apparle> JimmyDee: Is there a stable one
[01:23] <apparle> When I run Kmix in CLI ,I get an error with libasound.so. Help
[01:24] <JimmyDee> www.google.com apparle
[01:27] <apparle> jimmyDee: What do u mean? Another thing when i install alsalib it starts working but when i restart it again stops. Then  I have to install alsalib again
[01:29] <JimmyDee> I mean google OSS MIXER PROGRAM
[01:29] <JimmyDee> surely you have a browser
[01:31] <toxicfume> Can someone please help me? I just installed Kubuntu, when i was running it off the liveCD, my wireless pci adaptor was working fine, but after i installed kubuntu to my harddrive, it can't seem to see the wireless card anymore, i can't seee any access points listed at all, can someone  please help me?
[01:32] <apparle> jimmydee: yes. I will do it. But I am sitting on public computer with Win XP. i am happy with Kmix if anybody can solve this problem
[01:32] <JimmyDee> well get on the public computer's internet exploder and google you some goods
[01:33] <apparle> jimmydee: i can very well use XP. See if u can solve the Kmix problem
[01:34] <JimmyDee> is alsa starting at boot time?
[01:35] <apparle> jimmydee: I use OSS drivers as ALSA does not work for me
[01:37] <toxicfume> Can someone please help me? I just installed Kubuntu, when i was running it off the liveCD, my wireless pci adaptor was working fine, but after i installed kubuntu to my harddrive, it can't seem to see the wireless card anymore, i can't seee any access points listed at all, can someone  please help me?
[01:39] <apparle> immydee: I use OSS drivers as ALSA does not work for me
[01:40] <toxicfume> anyone?
[01:46] <xenol> i got problem with ntfs-config
[01:46] <xenol> when i tick to support writing on ntfs it starts to mount my ntfs disk but it won be done cause of some error
[01:48] <d3sp0t> Hello
[01:49] <d3sp0t> anyone online?
[01:49] <d3sp0t> need some help with splashy...
[01:49] <sbucatino> mm
[01:49] <sbucatino> :D i want kill compiz i don t want this compiz...damned gutsy
[01:49] <d3sp0t> I get Error Code: -2 when i try to run splashy test
[01:50] <d3sp0t> anybody? :)
[01:50] <sbucatino> boo :D that's my answer
[01:51] <Jucato> sbucatino: kwin --replace
[01:51] <Jucato> to get kwin running again
[01:51] <sbucatino> o thanks
[01:51] <d3sp0t> sbucatino, that really solves the problem, thank u :P
[01:52] <bentob0x> how can I change the default sound card for sound output in Kubuntu?  I have two soundcards and I want firefox to output the sound on the second one (it's currently outputting on the first one)
[01:54] <d3sp0t> pick that sound card when running alsaconf
[01:55] <bentob0x> is there no quick switch possible?
[01:56] <bentob0x> or make it that both soundcards get the same sound
[01:56] <sbucatino> d3sp0t: :P
[01:57] <sbucatino> Jucato: that works thanks a lot
[01:57] <d3sp0t> dunno about that bentob0x
[01:57] <Jucato> sbucatino: no prob
[01:57] <sbucatino> :D i am happy now it works faster
[01:59] <sbucatino> Jucato: sorry if i disturb you..but is there  chat of kubuntu ?
[01:59] <Jucato> sbucatino: what do you mean? this is #kubuntu
[02:00] <Jucato> this channel is the (English) Kubuntu user support channel
[02:00] <sbucatino> Jucato: yes but like a bar channel
[02:00] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:00] <sbucatino> ok
[02:00] <sbucatino> thanks
[02:01] <Jucato> you might find #ubuntu-offtopic more alive though... not sure...
[02:02] <sbucatino> Jucato: the last thing then i leave you to your business what do you think about this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567016? it a converter audio video...i you want answer well if not never mind
[02:03] <Jucato> I'm not really sure. I don't actually do multimedia conversions so I wouldn't have any opinion about it. sorry
[02:04] <sbucatino> ok :D
[02:04] <sbucatino> thank a lot
[02:08] <bazhang> Jucato: nice onions on that blog!
[02:08] <Jucato> hehe yeah
[02:08] <Jucato> spreading the onion love! :D
[02:09] <bazhang> #4 on google search
[02:09] <Jucato> lol seriously? search on what term?
[02:09] <bazhang> gutsy +upgrade +path
[02:09] <Jucato> O.o wth?
[02:09] <bazhang> impressive...
[02:10] <Jucato> haha not here though :)
[02:10] <bazhang> mind if I post a link?
[02:10] <Jucato> no problem at all
[02:10] <bazhang> http://jucato.org/blog/onions-kubuntu-gutsy-beta/   read and be enlightened!
[02:11] <Jucato> lol
[02:11] <Jucato> ok I thought you were going to post a link to the google search results :)
[02:11] <bazhang> oops
[02:11] <bazhang> !ot
[02:11] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:11] <bazhang> on myself..haha
[02:12] <chn> is there any video programme that contains AV mode ?
[02:12] <bazhang> chn: as in video editing? cinelerra perhaps?
[02:12] <dhq> how do i mount iso on usb
[02:13] <bazhang> dhq: to what end?
[02:13] <chn> bazhang:  I connected my satellite reciever to my tv card I need a programme to see it
[02:13] <dhq> bazhang, well i have a linux iso i want to boot from my flashdrive
[02:14] <bazhang> chn: so you want to set up a myth box?
[02:15] <bazhang> dhq: have you seen this: http://pendrivelinux.com/
[02:15] <chn> yes
[02:15] <dhq> bazhang, nope will have a look
[02:15] <bazhang> chn: avermedia card?
[02:16] <chn> bazhang:  no La conte but chipset is philips saa7134
[02:16] <chn> tv card is La Conte Deluxe.
[02:16] <dhq> bazhang, is there kubuntu for pendrives
[02:17] <bazhang> dhq: same deal just use Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu...
[02:17] <dhq> Bauldrick, how
[02:17] <dhq> bazhang, well i dont want to reboot my pc
[02:18] <dhq> bazhang, i just want to install it on my flash
[02:18] <bazhang> dhq: well if memory serves, then you have to install the iso to the pen drive, then make sure that your bios boots from the first; I did this a while back and it
[02:19] <chn> bazhang:  will you help me  :(
[02:19] <bazhang> is all in the terminal.. sorry for the page break--new keyboard..haha
[02:19] <dhq> bazhang, i dont know
[02:19] <bazhang> cihan253: I'm trying to recall how to do that--I have a friend who set up a myth tv
[02:21] <bazhang> dhq: oh, ok, well then you want to make a bootable flash drive for use on the road or for another computer--did you look at the instructions on that site--they are fairly clear.
[02:21] <cihan253> thank you bazhang I am here
[02:21] <dhq> bazhang, well i will do it
[02:21] <bazhang> dhq: it is not that bad--if I can do it, then you surely can..haha
[02:22] <dhq> bazhang, ok
[02:22] <bazhang> cihan253: have you read up on the myth setup before?
[02:22] <cihan253> no
[02:22] <dhq> bazhang, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/   they say you need to rebbot
[02:23] <dhq> reboot
[02:24] <bazhang> cihan253: a prerequisite for this is knowing what kind of box you want to set up, where you will save the input to, etc.; you should probably get some background before you ask the more specific questions there is a set up called Mythbuntu--if you google it then they will answer most of your questions I imagine. not as easy as installing a single program to read the input, though.
[02:25] <bazhang> dhq: and the problem with rebooting is..?
[02:25] <dhq> bazhang, i reun servers i cant do this
[02:25] <dhq> *run\
[02:26] <bazhang> dhq: ok, well then you will have to choose a distro that allows you to install from the liveCD to a pendrive--currently Ubuntu/Kubuntu does not afaik. There are others though.. want to go to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[02:29] <bazhang> dhq: ?
[02:29] <Jucato> not really, until you called me I wasn't even looking
[02:29] <Jucato> but now I am
[02:29] <bazhang> well, yes, kubuntu is a fine distro to run for an iso boot (all on topic..nothing to see here)..
[02:30] <ardchoille> lol
[02:34] <Bauldrick> ?
[02:35] <bazhang> jpatrick: hi!
[02:35] <toxicfume> Can someone please help me? I just installed Kubuntu, when i was running it off the liveCD, my wireless pci adaptor was working fine, but after i installed kubuntu to my harddrive, it can't seem to see the wireless card anymore, i can't seee any access points listed at all, can someone  please help me?
[02:35] <jpatrick> bazhang: afternoon
[02:35] <Bauldrick> dhq - you asked me how? how what?
[02:36] <toxicfume> I have 2 wireless cards, a Linksys and a Netgear, both do that
[02:36] <Keetmo> morgen
[02:37] <bazhang> morning!
[02:38] <bazhang> toxicfume: this is Feisty?
[02:39] <toxicfume> bazhang: yup, fiesty
[02:39] <bazhang> toxicfume: and they worked fine in Edgy or Dapper?
[02:39] <toxicfume> bazhang: never tried
[02:40] <toxicfume> weird thing is
[02:40] <bazhang> toxicfume: do you have an ethernet connection?
[02:40] <toxicfume> it works fine in the livecd, but after i install it onto my hard drive, it stops working
[02:40] <toxicfume> bazhang: yes i do
[02:41] <bazhang> toxicfume: can you try that? You may need to download the drivers for your card, or first you might want to try configuring them in Knetwork manager.
[02:42] <toxicfume> bazhang: they're just not listed in the knetwork manager
[02:43] <bazhang> toxicfume: ok. how about seeing if the ethernet connection works?
[02:43] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i'll have to wait to try that
[02:44] <toxicfume> but i'm pretty sure ethernet will work fine, because it's listed in knetwork manager
[02:44] <bazhang> toxicfume: are you comfortable using the command line?
[02:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: it wont freak me out :P but i wouldn't know what to do unless u tell me to
[02:45] <OpenSorce> okay......wlan1 works fine in kubuntu 6.06 but not in 7.10....I hate beta software....and of course dhcpcd isn't included by default
[02:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: will you be here in about 3 hours?
[02:46] <bazhang> toxicfume: sadly, yes. I have no life...haha
[02:46] <OpenSorce> oh good bazhang is here....he knows everything :-)
[02:46] <bazhang> OpenSorce: about borking people's boxes..then yes..haha
[02:46] <OpenSorce> haha
[02:47] <OpenSorce> bazhang, need to get my wlan1 working....
[02:47] <toxicfume> bazhang: lol :P okay then i'll msg you again then
[02:47] <bazhang> toxicfume: I'll be waiting, with bells on...
[02:47] <OpenSorce> it sees it.....it tries to connect dhcp then it doesn't assign an ip to it and nada
[02:48] <bazhang> OpenSorce: want to follow me to #ubuntu+1?
[02:48] <bazhang> for Gutsy, right?
[02:48] <toxicfume> bazhang: thanks a lot man!
[02:48] <OpenSorce> yeah
[02:48] <bazhang> toxicfume: I await thee..
[02:49] <stdin> hsystem-x: don't spam
[02:49] <hsystem-x> thats what you are doing :)
[02:50] <stdin> umm, no, I'm not
[02:50] <sbucatino> !off-topic
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off-topic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <stdin> !ot
[02:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:50] <sbucatino> thanks xD
[02:53] <ellen_> gotta hell kid?
[03:10] <adlisyakir> hye why my azuseus it's not work... because it's say 'you're not connect to any pear while downloading'
[03:12] <SlimeyPete> adlisyakir: ask in #azureus-support
[03:39] <sbucatino> =( i can t use wacom wheel
[03:46] <gringo3> hi, how can i update the list of ips that can join my host?
[03:47] <ubuntu_> somebody can help me?
[03:48] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: maybe. Ask your question, and we'll answer if we can.
[03:48] <ubuntu_> I can not read a ntfs partition
[03:48] <ubuntu_> ?
[03:48] <sbucatino> !ntfs
[03:48] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:48] <ubuntu_> permission denied is the error
[03:49] <sbucatino> ubuntu_: use ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:49] <ubuntu_> kubuntu
[03:49] <sbucatino> ubuntu_: ok when i have permission problem i made this:
[03:49] <ubuntu_> I only need read the partition
[03:50] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: is it on an external device?
[03:50] <ubuntu_> yes
[03:50] <sbucatino> ubuntu_: sudo konqueror  and i set the permission
[03:50] <ubuntu_> i m running a live cd kubuntu 7.04
[03:51] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: so you booted the live cd but want to read from the computer's hard drive?
[03:51] <ubuntu_> yes
[03:51] <WaltzingAlong> sbucatino: kdesu konqueror maybe be a better route though maybe not by much ;)
[03:51] <ubuntu_> exactly
[03:52] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: you may be able to use pmount and pumount to mount the device
[03:52] <sbucatino> WaltzingAlong: boo i have found out this way and i use =) i hate chmod
[03:53] <ubuntu_>  kdesu konqueror, resolve my problem!
[03:53] <ubuntu_> thanks!
[03:53] <bazhang> yess!
[03:56] <sbucatino> what's the difference among kdesu and sudo
[03:56] <stdin> !kdesu | sbucatino
[03:56] <ubotu> sbucatino: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:00] <sbucatino> well i will never muck ip config file =) i am not a masochist
[04:00] <sbucatino> stdin: thanks =)
[04:13] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[04:13] <elkang> hey all
[04:15] <boris> my file icons are much smaller than by default, how do i change it ?
[04:16] <Jucato> in Konqueror? View -> Icon Size
[04:20] <boris> no, on the desktop
[04:23] <deviance> !info mono
[04:23] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.3.1-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[04:23] <deviance> !mono
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mono - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <vegas513> hi everybody, linux noob with a few questions/problems
[04:33] <vegas513> i just installed 7.10
[04:33] <vegas513> and i'm trying to add firefox
[04:34] <vegas513> but everything that's not installed already on adept is just grayed out and i can't click on it
[04:34] <stdin> gutsy help is in #ubuntu+1
[04:34] <vegas513> also, bigger problem...nothing's showing up besides kubuntu in grub
[04:35] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[04:35] <rysiek|pl> anybody here and willing to help with fighting against the dreaded KNetworkManager?
[04:37] <rysiek|pl> gah, all dead here now
[04:39] <elkang> not dead rysiek|pl:n: but cant help *gg*
[04:39] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[04:39] <BluesKaj> vegas513, have you edited your sources.list to enable universe/multiverse
[04:40] <Jucato> (gutsy should have all repos enabled, except for backports)
[04:40] <BluesKaj> depends how he upgraded
[04:41] <vegas513> no
[04:41] <vegas513> BluesKaj: how do i do that
[04:41] <BluesKaj> how did you upgrade to gutsy ?
[04:42] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | vegas513
[04:42] <ubotu> vegas513: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:47] <taki> buenas buenas!
[04:47] <taki> como anda gente
[04:47] <taki> necesito ayuda :S plz
[04:48] <Yorokobi> !es
[04:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:50] <BluesKaj> can someone tell me how to prevent unwanted spamming on konversation?
[04:51] <Jucato> what do you mean by "unwanted spamming"?
[04:51] <BluesKaj> I keep searching for a dcc setting that stops auto-accept messages but there doesn't seem toi be one
[04:52] <Jucato> PM's?
[04:52] <BluesKaj> Jucato, yeah i suppose
[04:52] <bahr> I just installed Kubuntu 7.04, and it runs very nice, but can somebody tell me how come, I can't install Thunderbird 2.0 but only can find thunderbird 1.5 when I search for it?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> Jucato, i get these PM messages on undernet without permission
[04:54] <Jucato> there might be a server setting to ingnore PM's... not really sure. you can ask in #konversation if there's a feature
[04:55] <fdoving> Jucato: can probably use /ignore
[04:56] <Jucato> fdoving: for PM's?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> thx Jucato , din't know #knoversation existed :)
[04:57] <fdoving> Jucato: i can do that in irssi, bitchx and epic, not sure about konversation.
[04:57] <Jucato> yep. that's why I sent him to #konversation :)
[04:58] <Jucato> I don't know either.. and as an op, I'm not allowed to /ignore (I think)
[04:59] <BluesKaj> I would just like to be able to either refuse or accept a PM
[04:59] <stdin> hey Jucato, did you know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCOperators ?
[05:00] <stdin> Jucato: heh, you must have, you're in it
[05:00] <Jucato> :P
[05:00] <Jucato> not reading I presume :P
[05:01] <stdin> it's funny what you can find from random clicks
[05:01] <ardchoille> lol
[05:04] <Brownout> stdin: the title is wrong, usually IRCops are server admins (staffers on freenode), "IRC Channel operators" or chanops is much better
[05:05] <serge> bonjour
[05:06] <stdin> Brownout: there's no spaces in wiki names, IRCOperators = IRC Operators  (and some freenode staff are ops on ubuntu channels)
[05:06] <chequers> hi all, when trying to ./configure mplayer, I get messages like this: `Checking for kernel support of sse ... failed. It seems that your kernel does not correctly support sse. To use sse extensions in MPlayer, you have to upgrade/recompile your kernel!`
[05:06] <chequers> I'm running gutsy gibbon beta, how can I update my kernel?
[05:07] <Jucato> chequers: #ubuntu+1 please. but the latest kernel for gutsy is already 2.6.22-13
[05:07] <stdin> !compile
[05:07] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:07] <stdin> and why are you compiling mplayer antway?
[05:07] <chequers> ok, thanks
[05:07] <Jucato> er.. didn't read the whole question :P
[05:07] <Jucato> chequers: why do you need to compile mplayer?
[05:08] <chequers> because I am compiling uncommitted patches into it
[05:09] <ardchoille> I have found that lots of people search their sources and don't find some things. They don't realise there are two other major repos (multiverse and universe) that they can enable and find more apps. This is one reason why I felt that uni and multi should have been enabled by default in Fesity
[05:09] <Brownout> I had problems playing dvds (-dvd-device option) with mplayer rc1, SVN solved
[05:09] <stdin> chequers: then you should probably do "sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer" to make sure you have all the build dependencies (and there are a lot of them)
[05:10] <Jucato> ardchoille: actually they are since feisty
[05:10] <Jucato> all repos since feisty are enabled by default, except for -backports
[05:11] <chequers> stdin: that shouldn't affect this detection should it?
[05:11] <Brownout> since it's a kernel issue...
[05:11] <stdin> chequers: it definitely can
[05:11] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, so they are.
[05:11] <chequers> heh, easy solution
[05:12] <Jucato> what's sse? do you need it in mplayer?
[05:12] <stdin> chequers: some header that may be required to detect a feature may not be installed
[05:12] <chequers> it's a CPU instruction set, and it's highly required for non slow decoding
[05:12] <Jucato> stdin:  the kernel might actually need to be recompiled I think...
[05:12] <Brownout> SSE are vector opcodes, an evolution of MMX
[05:13] <stdin> Jucato: for sse? seems odd
[05:13] <chequers> apparently I should be using the -generic kernel, can I swap to this without needing to reinstall?
[05:13] <Jucato> dunno actually
[05:14] <toxicfume> bazhang: hey, you around?
[05:16] <bazhang> toxicfume: sure am! just a minute I'm in #ubuntu+1 be right back!
[05:16] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i'll be here :)
[05:20] <bazhang> toxicfume: where were we? I forget...sorry..haha
[05:22] <toxicfume> bazhang: basically both my wireless pci adaptors dont get detected after i install kubuntu :(
[05:23] <toxicfume> now first i want to ask before we begin fixing it, should i put in both hte cards? or just one?
[05:23] <bazhang> toxicfume: right, and they worked in the livecd right?
[05:23] <toxicfume> bazhang: exactly
[05:23] <toxicfume> yes
[05:23] <bazhang> toxicfume: only one card should do it.
[05:24] <toxicfume> and which one should i rather put in? the Linksys or the Netgear
[05:24] <toxicfume> ?
[05:24] <toxicfume> ie. which would work easier/better
[05:25] <bazhang> toxicfume: well lets try the netgear first, no idea which will work better--this is for a desktop or a laptop?
[05:25] <toxicfume> it;s a desktop, they're both PCI cards
[05:25] <toxicfume> okay netgear is already installed and the machine is turned on, what do i do?:)
[05:26] <Creationist> When running Compiz, how do I make the taskbar only show applications for the CURRENT desktop?
[05:26] <bazhang> toxicfume: we doing this here or in pm?
[05:27] <toxicfume> bazhang: anywhere you like
[05:28] <fay_elf> Would love to c a real wifi setup
[05:28] <fay_elf> I only know ndiswrapper
[05:29] <toxicfume> bazhang: we can do it here so others can see it too incase they have the problem or have an input
[05:29] <bazhang> toxicfume: okey dokey.
[05:30] <sbucatino> ehm i have gutsy but exstra keys don t want work
[05:31] <bazhang> toxicfume: open up a terminal, and type in the following command: sudo ifconfig then type your password.
[05:31] <Hc\\> Hello, i managed to screw x, by installing wrong drivers for the graphic cards ( was going to put back from nvidias own to vesa). But i managed to take vga-drivers instead of vesa. And it lead to when i try to get x running it stops on "Reloading Postfix configuration". Anyone know howto reconfigure x?
[05:31] <Hc\\> And, sorry for jumpy text
[05:32] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i typed it, but my wireless connection is not visible there
[05:33] <bazhang> toxicfume: what did it say?  don't paste just paraphrase.
[05:34] <toxicfume> bazhang: it gave me eth0, eth0:vlah and lo
[05:34] <toxicfume> no wireless
[05:35] <Creationist> When running Compiz, how do I make the taskbar only show applications for the CURRENT desktop?
[05:35] <toxicfume> bazhang: btw i'm using 7.04
[05:35] <bazhang> toxicfume: ok. now what about the command lspci?
[05:36] <bazhang> toxicfume: that shouldn't matter..the cli stuff is pretty much the same for most of the releases.
[05:36] <toxicfume> bazhang: i've looked at that command before..but again i tried and it disaplyed nothing about the wireless
[05:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> if they changed the terminal commands every time there was a new release, no one would ever use it
[05:37] <bazhang> true.
[05:37] <bazhang> toxicfume--it should identify the card, though.
[05:38] <toxicfume> sudo lspci
[05:38] <toxicfume> that command?
[05:38] <toxicfume> nothing about my wireless card :(
[05:38] <kilrae> Creationist: pretty much, afaik, you don't, compiz and beryl use a different method of virtual desktops than kde
[05:39] <toxicfume> what should i do?
[05:39] <Creationist> kilrae: Does it work without Compiz, though?
[05:39] <kilrae> there does exist a patch for the kde taskbar that should make it support viewports, but i've never tried it
[05:39] <bazhang> toxicfume: okay, what about the command iwconfig
[05:40] <kilrae> i believe in the taskbar settings there is an option to show only windows from the current desktop
[05:40] <toxicfume> bazhang: it says no wireless connections (this is weird because my pci card is actually blinking it's green LED)
[05:41] <kilrae> i don't have the taskbar enabled because, alas, i am using beryl and it shows all windows
[05:42] <bazhang> toxicfume: okay, now lets try to get a dhclient--type the command sudo dhclient (card identifier here).
[05:43] <toxicfume> whats the card identifier?
[05:43] <bazhang> wlan0?
[05:43] <toxicfume> bazhang: no, it doesn't exist
[05:43] <toxicfume> there's only th0 and lo
[05:43] <toxicfume> *eth0
[05:44] <toxicfume> i think i should just take this netgear out and use the linksys?
[05:44] <bazhang> toxicfume: eth0 should be wireless--do you have two listings for wireless under the command ifconfig?
[05:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: i' pretty sure eth0 is the ethernet
[05:45] <toxicfume> bazhang: yes there is eth0 (ETHERNET) and lo (LOCAL LOOPBACK)
[05:46] <toxicfume> nothing else
[05:46] <bazhang> how many listings? toxicfume
[05:46] <toxicfume> those 2 listings
[05:47] <bazhang> toxicfume: is there a way for you to configure the card manually?  go to knetworkmanager and choose configure manually
[05:47] <toxicfume> bazhang: it's not even listed there
[05:48] <bazhang> toxicfume: do you need to check administrator settings?
[05:48] <toxicfume> bazhang: i doubt it :S this is really a very basic default installation
[05:48] <OpenSorce> bazhang, hey bro...
[05:48] <bazhang> OpenSorce: what's up!
[05:49] <OpenSorce> bazhang, looking for stuff to try out :-)
[05:49] <toxicfume> bazhang: if i just turn off the computer and switch to the linksys card, would it detect the card? or do i have to install a driver?
[05:50] <OpenSorce> bazhang, out of the box Gutsy doesn't have make essentials does it?
[05:50] <bazhang> toxicfume: well with no info on the card, I'm not sure how much I can help out--if you want to try and power down and then put int the other card, and see if that is recongnized with the commands listed in our previous discussion, then it's worht a shot--your call.
[05:50] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay, i'llt ry that :)
[05:50] <bazhang> OpenSorce: not sure about that one..
[05:52] <jimmacdonald> I'm in a bit of a quandry, This is the situation. I have a Kubuntu lappy, and now an Ubuntu desktop. Yeah good for jim. Now here's the dilema, When I am at home I want my wireless network up and configured BEFORE X starts, the reasons for this are numerous, remote desktop logins and nfs mounts being the two large culprits, but I would like to NOT have to wait if that wireless network isn't seen. What I am thinking about doing is writing a
[05:52] <jimmacdonald> script that does a iwlist -scan and greps for my wireless network then IF it finds it configure and run the nfs mounts. IF not die. Surely someone has already done this and if so what's the name of the program?
[05:52] <atlfalcons866> is gutsy stable enough to be used now?
[05:53] <jimmacdonald> atlfalcons866: I am running it now.. only unstable thing is the updates...
[05:53] <bazhang> and the sound
[05:54] <fay_elf> Ndiswrapper {windows driver under linux) is very simple
[05:54] <atlfalcons866> ok
[05:54] <fay_elf> But you need a non-working listed wlan0
[05:55] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[05:55] <jimmacdonald> fay_elf: I have a good driver. not the problem. right now it configures (connects to ) the wlan network after I login.. I want it before I login so I can do a remote login from the desktop
[05:56] <fay_elf> It'r good if only option
[05:56] <s0undt3ch> is there a way to change which application is used as file-manager for the kde menu item "System Menu"
[05:56] <s0undt3ch> ?
[05:57] <toxicfume> bazhang: hey i just switched the netgear to a different PCI slot and rebooted and now it seems to work. But i doubt i can connect again because I tried earlier with the lvecd and it had trouble connecting to my WPA encrypted network, can you help me there? :)
[05:57] <fay_elf> jim: i was just pointing out the option for toxicfume's
[05:57] <jimmacdonald> ahh thought you were talking to me.
[05:57] <fay_elf> prob
[05:57] <bazhang> toxicfume: any way to un-encrypt it for this little test?
[06:00] <OpenSorce> bazhang, do you know anything about the OEM Install option on the Alt disc?
[06:00] <fay_elf> bazhang: the router (if you are using one yourself) might have a return to defaults button or a web browser interface you can use through your eth
[06:00] <fay_elf> Sry to tnxicfume
[06:01] <bazhang> OpenSorce: I saw that but not clear what it does--trying to live dangerously--or a specific goal in mind?
[06:01] <toxicfume> bazhang: okay i removed the encryption and kubuntu successfully connects :)
[06:01] <bazhang> fay_elf: right. thanks!
[06:01] <bazhang> toxicfume: yippee!
[06:01] <toxicfume> fay_elf: i got it working!!
[06:01] <fay_elf> Forgive the typos, i'm on jmirc
[06:02] <toxicfume> bazhang: now how do i get wpa encryption? :P
[06:02] <bazhang> internets in da house!
[06:02] <bazhang> uhoh spoke too soon..
[06:02] <toxicfume> bazhang: yeeah :d
[06:02] <atlfalcons866> how is linux more secure than windows
[06:03] <BluesKaj> !Info security
[06:03] <ubotu> Package security does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:03] <bazhang> toxicfume: this is one area that Feisty sadly lags in the Kubuntu side, a nice drop down menu that lets you choose wpa out of the box--you can go to network manager, sorry knetwork manager and see if it allows this, but I believe it only lets you choose wep.
[06:04] <BluesKaj> !firewall
[06:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:04] <ardchoille> atlfalcons866: Read this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[06:04] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[06:04] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[06:05] <toxicfume> bazhang: exactly, there's only WEP, no WPA
[06:05] <fay_elf> You must enable the gateway for encryption, so open your web browser, check out the manual and punch the browser interface address. This suggests you have a private router
[06:06] <bazhang> thanks fay_elf!
[06:08] <fay_elf> But the gateway might support x, client y - must have 1-1 support on hardware
[06:09] <stamen> hi
[06:09] <stamen> how to remove intel ICH5 driver
[06:09] <stamen> because it replaces my sound card
[06:09] <stamen> my is SB live
[06:09] <stamen> Creative
[06:10] <fay_elf> I dont think there is need to remove, to select is
[06:12] <stamen> yse but when I select from kmix
[06:12] <stamen> to change it to SB card
[06:13] <stamen> nothing happens, it is still no sound, and change is not made
[06:13] <stamen> :(
[06:13] <stamen> how to make it default again to be SB
[06:14] <BluesKaj> stamen, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[06:15] <BluesKaj> stamen, then in the konsole: sudo asoundconf list
[06:16] <BluesKaj> stamen, after you find your soundcard : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[06:17] <someguy> helllo everyone
[06:17] <someguy> anyone know of a presentation remote that works with Kubuntu
[06:17] <someguy> and OOo
[06:18] <someguy> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/presentation_remote/devices/175&cl=us,en
[06:19] <someguy> will that work on Kubuntu?
[06:19] <stdin> someguy: there's no way of knowing unless you try it
[06:19] <BluesKaj> someguy, do you mean like "powerpoint"
[06:19] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:20] <someguy> blueskaj - i want it to control the presentation in Open Office
[06:20] <someguy> blueskaj - its a remote
[06:20] <BluesKaj> right , gotcha
[06:21] <someguy> but $80 is a bit steep
[06:21] <someguy> =(
[06:21] <someguy> maybe I should just use the arrow keys or page up/page down
[06:21] <someguy> thats like free
[06:21] <someguy> lol
[06:22] <BluesKaj> :)
[06:22] <someguy> but then I can't move during the presentation or bust a move or something
[06:22] <someguy> lmao
[06:23] <BluesKaj> dunno, I've never had to make presentations ...just used computer application programs to run lab equip , so i have absolutely no idea
[06:24] <someguy> ok blueskaj no problem i am gonna try a few things
[06:24] <someguy> ask around my lug
[06:25] <informaticous> slt
[06:25] <someguy> thanks blues
[06:26] <informaticous> comment vous all
[06:26] <stdin> !fr
[06:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:26] <Jucato> !fr | informaticous
[06:26] <ubotu> informaticous: please see above
[06:27] <informaticous> oui fr
[06:27] <halycon> hey everyone
[06:27] <OpenSorce> bazzieb, you still here?
[06:28] <OpenSorce> oops
[06:35] <carlos_> wenas
[06:36] <stdin> carlos_: huh?
[06:39] <adlisyakir> hye.. kubuntu 7.10 is already release or not?
[06:39] <fay_elf> 18th
[06:40] <stdin> when it is, the topic will say so
[06:40] <someguy> hey blue
[06:40] <adlisyakir> owh.. orait..
[06:40] <someguy> BluesKaj >> just called Logitech and told them they need to support Ubuntu and Linux in general
[06:41] <someguy> they were like what is Linux
[06:41] <someguy> lmao
[06:41] <adlisyakir> hye wat different between ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:41] <BluesKaj> someguy, and what was their response ?
[06:41] <adlisyakir> i think kubuntu look very nice other then ubuntu
[06:41] <s0undt3ch> adlisyakir: ubuntu -> gnome | kubuntu -> kde
[06:41] <adlisyakir> but, what the different function of both
[06:41] <adlisyakir> owh
[06:41] <BluesKaj> hehe, what's linux ... :)
[06:41] <someguy> BluesKay >> they said they would note it and "look" into it
[06:42] <someguy> lol
[06:42] <BluesKaj> sure
[06:42] <stdin> !flavors | adlisyakir
[06:42] <ubotu> adlisyakir: !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu
[06:42] <someguy> they said it supports all the windoz os's like that good one there....  Windows me. lol
[06:42] <adlisyakir> !gnome
[06:42] <someguy> oh and the vista or disastre whatever its called
[06:42] <adlisyakir> !kde
[06:42] <s0undt3ch> anyone sucessfully run kde4 on gutsy?
[06:43] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[06:43] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[06:43] <someguy> sountech >. you live on the edge buddy
[06:43] <stdin> s0undt3ch: beta2 is unusable
[06:43] <BluesKaj> !KDE4
[06:43] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:43] <someguy> betas are welll.... betas
[06:43] <s0undt3ch> someguy: yup, I tend to live on the edge, and sometime I screw myself :)
[06:43] <someguy> lol
[06:44] <BluesKaj> s0undt3ch, dunno , my attempts at kde 4 failed miserably :)
[06:44] <someguy> s0unt3ch i hear you.  me 2
[06:44] <s0undt3ch> when I upgrated from feisty to gutsy I screwed my self because I setup my sources as grumpy ;)
[06:44] <BluesKaj> grumpy ?
[06:45] <s0undt3ch> next development after gutsy I think
[06:45] <fay_elf> Annoyed ;)
[06:45] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic
[06:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:46] <informaticous> il reste qlq
[06:47] <informaticous> ???
[06:47] <s0undt3ch> BluesKaj: that also works for kubuntu correct?
[06:47] <jamili> how come i got grub loading error 21 when i installed kubuntu feisty to ide hdd :(
[06:47] <jamili> "21 : Selected disk does not exist This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name
[06:47] <jamili> refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the
[06:47] <jamili> BIOS in the system."
[06:47] <BluesKaj> s0undt3ch, this is kubuntu chat and support
[06:48] <s0undt3ch> BluesKaj: but that was a ubuntu link, but ok, I got it, thanks
[06:48] <adlisyakir> hye.. u think using ubuntu or kubuntu is the nice
[06:48] <stdin> informaticous: demander dans #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[06:48] <jamili> does it have something to do with that i have jmicron's device handling?
[06:48] <jamili> or something like that
[06:48] <jamili> so when i start my comp bios doesn't load any devices (idemaster slave none) but jmicron's software shows them
[06:49] <jamili> any help? :\
[06:50] <s0undt3ch> is there a way to choose which file-manager gets used when using the toolbar button "system menu"?
[06:50] <BluesKaj> s0undt3ch, the ubuntu and kubuntu use the same sources.list debs
[06:52] <UserC> i have a question..
[06:53] <UserC> how much more computer resources does kubuntu uses more then ubuntu?
[06:54] <Chousuke> UserC: Why are you so convinced it uses more resources? :)
[06:54] <stdin> UserC: it doesn't
[06:54] <stdin> at all
[06:54] <jamili> can someone help me? i got grub error 21 when i installed kubuntu (same appeared with ubuntu), does it have something to do with that i have some jmicron system recognising my devices?
[06:54] <jamili> :p
[06:54] <jim> I'm having trouble with the i686 SMP kernel(even though I'm on P4). one of two processors shows running at 100% with no load. If I linstall linux-386 does it mean I have to download a lot of packages again or are most of the packages in universe/multiverse compiled for 386?
[06:54] <jamili> should i update my BIOS?
[06:55] <Chousuke> Well, it depends on so many variables that the only truthful answer you can give is "I don't know"
[06:55] <stdin> jim: you don't have to download any packages again, just the kernel packages
[06:56] <jim> ok thanks :) while I'm here does any have any idea why sometimes a cpu would jump to 100% with no load on it?
[06:57] <UserC> jim it jumps for a long time? or joust for a moment?
[06:58] <jim> no it jumps and stays till I reboot. Even with no other programs running.
[06:58] <UserC> strange.. i dunno it never happened to me..
[06:58] <jim> It was happening more frequently in Fedora but still in Kubuntu
[06:59] <stdin> you should think about upgrading to feisty or gutsy, a newer kernel may work better
[06:59] <NickPresta> jim, it's a long shot, but run some variation of `top` (or top itself) and watch for whatever is eating up 100% of your CPU. I had apt-index-watcher doing that to me for a while before I fixed it.
[07:01] <jim> NickPresta: htop shows nothing eating cpu , hghest usage is about 7% usually in list of processes but cpu 1 in SMP shos 100%
[07:05] <jim> Guess I'll try 386 kernel and see if that helps. maybe a bug in the SMP kernel
[07:10] <toxicfume> does anyone here use LinuxMCE? I want to know if the Radeon 9800 Pro is a good card for it?
[07:14] <stuq> can someone point me to a how-to on simple file sharing on a local network with kde?
[07:15] <stuq> i'm trying all sorts of things, but nothing seems to work
[07:15] <stuq> done the properties..sharing thing
[07:15] <stuq> the web-server applet thing works
[07:15] <stuq> samba sharing doesn't
[07:15] <stuq> nfs sharing doesn't either
[07:15] <Daisuke_Ido> stuq: multiple linux machines?
[07:15] <stuq> yes
[07:15] <BluesKaj> stuq, samba should work
[07:15] <stuq> one feisty, one gutsy
[07:16] <stuq> should
[07:16] <Daisuke_Ido> if samba and nfs aren't working, you messed up somewhere
[07:16] <stuq> i have a freenas server on the network doing samba find
[07:16] <stuq> fine
[07:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i have a feisty desktop sharing directories to a gutsy laptop (and windows laptop) with nfs perfectly
[07:16] <stuq> must be messing up  something obvious
[07:16] <stuq> shouldn't be this hard
[07:16] <combinio> is there any program to edit PDF files ? :}
[07:17] <stuq> Daisuke_Ido: you remember if you installed any extra networking components?
[07:17] <toxicfume> does anyone here use LinuxMCE? I want to know if the Radeon 9800 Pro is a good card for it?
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> erm...
[07:17] <stuq> or were they 'vanilla' installs?
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> portmap
[07:17] <Daisuke_Ido> but that was installed with the nfs client
[07:17] <BluesKaj> !patience | toxicfume
[07:17] <ubotu> toxicfume: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:18] <BluesKaj> !linuxMCE
[07:18] <opensorce_> hah! and here I thought ubuntu had it's own server and all :-)
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxmce - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <combinio> !pdf
[07:18] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the shares are: /share 1.1.1.1/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[07:18] <opensorce_> baz, buddy!
[07:18] <stuq> BluesKaj: have you used linuxMCE?
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> where 1.1.1.1 is the ip range you want allowed
[07:18] <opensorce_> oh great no nick complete in Konversation
[07:18] <stuq> i was looking at it myself
[07:18] <BluesKaj> stuq, no
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> usually something like 192.168.1.1/24
[07:18] <stuq> looks pretty slick
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> opensorce_: yes there is
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> opensorce_: just did it :D
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> use tab
[07:19] <opensorce_> dais: I sorta meant I haven't set it up yet
[07:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll have to set it up if you want to use the comma as a nick completion character :)
[07:20] <BluesKaj> stuq, I use tvtime with a capture card , fed from a sat receiver using composite video and analog audio
[07:20] <opensorce_> I wanna use xchat.....but of course it doesn't come with 7.10b...
[07:21] <BluesKaj> opensorce , xchat is available in the repos
[07:22] <stuq> BluesKaj:  we haven't had a tv in the house since '81, but now that we're remodeling, we want to put something nice in the new living room
[07:22] <OpenSorce> BluesKaj, then why doesn't apt-get install xchat work?
[07:23] <stuq> OpenSorce: check your repositories, you might not have the right ones enabled
[07:23] <BluesKaj> OpenSorce , sorry i think you're right , it'll break pkges according to adept
[07:24] <opensorce_> I just really want my wlan card to work.....not so worried abotu xchat atm
[07:25] <noname_> hello, can anybody plz tell me how can I get desktop items to line up automatically by the right side of the screen?
[07:25] <djudd> hey guys, when i click on an link in konqueror that is an irc link, i get an error message that says the irc protocol isn't recognized.  is there a way to setup konqueror so that konversation launches when i click on an irc link?
[07:25] <opensorce_> I have the ubuntu box running through my mac atm....but it would be great if it worked as well as it did in 6.06
[07:27] <BluesKaj> opensorce, I got xchat to install with synaptic, but you gotta have the repos in your sources.list that hold that package. Check source-o-matic
[07:28] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | OpenSorce
[07:28] <ubotu> OpenSorce: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:28] <seezer> djudd: go to settings>configure konqueror>file associations
[07:28] <seezer> djudd: and add a new type to group "uri" called irc
[07:29] <reinformaticous> slt
[07:29] <reinformaticous> re"
[07:29] <NickPresta> reinformaticous, ?
[07:29] <reinformaticous> oui c'est informaticous
[07:29] <djudd> seezer: thank you
[07:29] <NickPresta> !fr | reinformaticous
[07:29] <ubotu> reinformaticous: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:30] <seezer> djudd: you're welcome
[07:31] <ubuntu> hello
[07:33] <stuq> Daisuke_Ido: I got it, nfs works fine, I was just being dumb, as usual ;-)
[07:34] <jamili> is there any way i could get grub workign with jmicron device loader?
[07:34] <mafe> Hola
[07:34] <mafe> que es?
[07:34] <mafe> HOoola
[07:34] <mafe> Hola
[07:34] <mafe> Como e sesto?
[07:35] <stuq> man, kdar is *nice*
[07:35] <mafe> alguien??
[07:35] <mafe> Hello
[07:35] <stuq> i hope the author updates the package
[07:35] <mafe> I don't speak english very well
[07:35] <funkyfish70> Hey everyone
[07:35] <funkyfish70> I cant figure out how to mount my NTFS drive so that I can access it
[07:35] <mafe> Espaol
[07:36] <NickPresta> !es | mafe
[07:36] <ubotu> mafe: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:36] <stdin> !ntfs | funkyfish70
[07:36] <ubotu> funkyfish70: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:37] <jager> !fuse
[07:37] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[07:38] <funkyfish70> ok thanks
[07:38] <funkyfish70> I did manage to get one drive mounted but my external HD cannot mount for some reason
[07:38] <funkyfish70> ill keep trying
[07:39] <funkyfish70> I just read that document
[07:39] <funkyfish70> ill give it a shot again though
[07:39] <jamili> is there any way i could get grub workign with jmicron device loader?
[07:40] <CPrompt^> anyone program apps with linux?  c++?
[07:41] <stdin> !anyone
[07:41] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:41] <bazhang> a quick Konversation question: I set it to connect on opening, and it opened this really ugly huge window that hides the main window and won't go away--any way to reset it not to connect automatically?
[07:42] <CPrompt^> alright...point taken.  What IDE do you use to program in?  Qt?  Is it Qt3 or Qt4?
[07:42] <stdin> bazhang: #konversation is the best place to ask
[07:42] <dio> ciao a tutti!
[07:43] <bazhang> stdin: thanks! you da man!
[07:43] <dio> hi to anyone!!
[07:43] <TunaTom> hi dio.
[07:43] <stdin> CPrompt^: Qt3 is for KDE3.x an Qt4 is used in KDE4, both can be used separately tho. Kdevelop is a good IDE for KDE
[07:44] <dio> hi tom
[07:44] <dio> are u fine?
[07:44] <emilsedgh> and, QT is not an IDE :)
[07:44] <stdin> !qt
[07:44] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[07:44] <TunaTom> sure, thanks. How are you?
[07:44] <CPrompt^> emilsedgh : close enough ;)
[07:45] <CPrompt^> stdin : I guess C++ is the language of choice for most linux apps?  at lest for GUI related apps?
[07:45] <dio> fine! thanx
[07:45] <stdin> CPrompt^: well, it is for KDE
[07:45] <dio> can i tell you a question about kubuntu?
[07:45] <stdin> CPrompt^: gnome actually uses a lot of C apps
[07:46] <emilsedgh> CPrompt^: currenlty whole KDE apps are written in KDE and most of the Gnome apps are in C, but Python applications are rapidly growing
[07:46] <CPrompt^> stdin : cool.  I'm more of a KDE guy but it's been a while since i've messed with C++.
[07:46] <rt_> !dvd
[07:46] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:46] <stdin> CPrompt^: but that's because GTK+ is written in C and Qt is written in C++
[07:46] <TunaTom> dio: sure. But you don't have to ask me if ou can ask. Just ask: I have no privileges here whatever.
[07:47] <dio> well, i will be polite!!
[07:47] <BluesKaj> !ask | dio
[07:47] <ubotu> dio: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:47] <dio> thank you very much!!
[07:47] <dio> lol
[07:47] <dio> so
[07:47] <CPrompt^> emilsedgh : I do like python but haven't found something I like to build GUI's out of yet.  Haven't really looked into it much and I just started messing with PYthon a few days ago  LOL
[07:47] <dio> my question....
[07:47] <dio> How can I apply different Themes on my KDE?
[07:48] <emilsedgh> CPrompt^: you could create GUI's with KDE
[07:48] <TunaTom> dio: that's not too hard.
[07:48] <dio> yeah, but i'm a noob
[07:48] <CPrompt^> emilsedgh : not sure what you mean.
[07:48] <TunaTom> Open up your systemsettings.
[07:48] <stdin> CPrompt^: there is a python -> Qt binding, PyQt. the system settings application for instance uses that
[07:48] <stdin> !changethemes
[07:48] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[07:48] <BluesKaj> dio, system settings /appearance
[07:48] <emilsedgh> dio: a Theme is seperated in a few things: Icons, Colors, Widget Style, Window Decoration, look at kde-look.org
[07:49] <emilsedgh> how nice is ubotu, right stdin? :P
[07:49] <dio> oh, ok!!
[07:49] <CPrompt^> stdin : i'll take a look into that.  thanks
[07:49] <stdin> yeah, ubotu knows all :p
[07:49] <TunaTom> dio: found what you wanted?
[07:49] <dio> so, if I set the sam theme 4 icon, Widget, etc....it will work like a winzozz theme!
[07:50] <dio> Yeah, thom, but I have got another question!!
[07:50] <TunaTom> dio: go ahead.
[07:50] <dio> ok, i'll go straight
[07:51] <TunaTom> THE TENSION
[07:51] <TunaTom> sorry
[07:51] <stdin> CPrompt^: #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-devel are good places to ask about development, as well as #kde-devel . #ubuntu-motu is a good place to ask about learning to make debian packages.
[07:51] <dio> i've installed Beryl, but when I use it as the Window Application Manager, it hides the bar with the name of the program -including the close, minimize and tray icon.
[07:52] <CPrompt^> stdin : good stuff.  I'll bookmark those chanels
[07:52] <TunaTom> dio: perhaps beryl doesn't run at all?
[07:52] <TunaTom> If you start it, it tries to replace the normal window manager.
[07:53] <stdin> you need to install emerald and/or aquamarine with beryl too
[07:53] <TunaTom> So first the title bar (and other stuff) is removed
[07:53] <TunaTom> Afterwards it might find out it couldn't start and leave you without window manager at all.
[07:53] <dio> nono
[07:53] <TunaTom> At least that was my first compiz experience.
[07:54] <TunaTom> dio: no?
[07:54] <bazhang> stdin: thanks for the tip--problem solved--conflict with 3D effects with a workaround. Cheers!
[07:54] <dio> i've installed emerald
[07:54] <dio> and Beryl runs very well
[07:54] <dio> (I can see it's cube and all it's graphic effects)
[07:54] <dio> but i still can't see those damn buttons!
[07:56] <TunaTom> perhaps one has to activate the decorations in the compiz config settings manager? Dunno, I'm no compiz guy.
[07:56] <dio> i haven't got compiz
[07:57] <TunaTom> ?
[07:57] <informaticous> hello
[07:57] <dio> Hi info
[07:57] <TunaTom> dio: I doubt that.
[07:57] <informaticous> stl
[07:57] <dio> what is compiz?
[07:57] <informaticous> comment tu va
[07:57] <aggelos> hallo!
[07:57] <stdin> !fr > informaticous
[07:57] <dio> tres bien, merc
[07:58] <TunaTom> !compiz
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <dio> but we aren't french!!
[07:58] <aggelos> i recently upgraded to ubuntu gusty gibbon
[07:58] <dio> what is compizzzz??
[07:58] <TunaTom> wow, I can do ubotu, too
[07:58] <stdin> aggelos: #ubuntu+1 (see the topic)
[07:58] <TunaTom> dio: see what ubotu says:
[07:58] <TunaTom> !compiz
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <aggelos> everything seems fine but i want to know how to enable the xgl / compiz / beryl stuff
[07:59] <TunaTom> aggelos: join dio and read what ubotu wrote.
[07:59] <stdin> TunaTom: you can put the nickname after the command to get ubotu to say it to that person, like...
[07:59] <stdin> !bot | TunaTom
[07:59] <ubotu> TunaTom: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:59] <soa2ii> Hi there... I have been here yesterday and told my prooblems with my keyboard and that kaffeine isn'zt starting (I think because of my dvd device...) I found this in the system log:
[07:59] <soa2ii> [  359.150837]  hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[07:59] <soa2ii> [  359.150843]  hdc: packet command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 }
[08:00] <soa2ii> [  359.150846]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[08:00] <stdin> soa2ii: use the pastebin
[08:00] <soa2ii> and so on... does anyone knows smth about that?
[08:00] <soa2ii> fine
[08:00] <stdin> soa2ii: you can then just point us to the link after
[08:01] <soa2ii> http://rafb.net/p/PHD72L26.html
[08:02] <soa2ii> I do not have those Problems with Knoppix or Gentoo... so I do not really know wheter my hardware is weird or just Kubuntu...
[08:02] <soa2ii> The error is not reproducable either
[08:03] <TunaTom> Perhaps the dma mode is set too optimistic for older hardware?
[08:04] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm... how do i check this?
[08:04] <soa2ii> And I think my dvd is not that old...
[08:05] <soa2ii> I think I'll try Knoppix once again...
[08:05] <TunaTom> sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[08:07] <soa2ii> sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[08:07] <soa2ii> /dev/hdc:
[08:07] <soa2ii>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[08:07] <soa2ii> I'll try Knoppix--- brb
[08:07] <TunaTom> soa2ii: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hdc
[08:07] <soa2ii> mom
[08:07] <TunaTom> soa2ii: okay, forget it
[08:08] <soa2ii> TunaTom: http://rafb.net/p/x2F5Pw81.html
[08:10] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Look pretts normal. Do you only have that problem when playing a DVD?
[08:10] <TunaTom> s/pretts/pretty/
[08:10] <soa2ii> no... even if the dvds empty
[08:11] <soa2ii> and it is not every time... i just worked with kubuntu again for a week or so... and then suddenly the problem came back...
[08:13] <TunaTom> Sounds more like a de-adjusted hardware. But on the other hand I heard about similar problems when using the wrong region code
[08:13] <soa2ii> Hm... I'll try knoppix once again...
[08:13] <soa2ii> brb
[08:17] <giorgos> hello together. I have a questio regards printerconfiguration. I use a rooter with printer port. At this ports an USB printer is connectet. How I can now congigure linux to work with that printer. At the moment my configration is as lpd://ip-adress/lpUSB0 but it doesnt work. Have anyone an idea?
[08:20] <giorgos> no one any ideas?
[08:21] <BluesKaj> giorgos, do you have another pc which the printer is connected to
[08:21] <giorgos> yes my windows PC are working fine with it
[08:21] <uga> BluesKaj: my understanding is that the router works as a printer server
[08:21] <giorgos> yes
[08:21] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm... with knoppix everything is fine... with Kubuntu not...
[08:22] <uga> giorgos: I think he meant if there's a pc directly (usb) connected to it
[08:22] <uga> which I assume it's not
[08:22] <soa2ii> I think it's a Kubuntu error... but I don't know where...
[08:22] <giorgos> no
[08:22] <TunaTom> soa2ii: I found some more hints.
[08:22] <TunaTom> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/009095.html
[08:22] <giorgos> no the usb printer is conectet to my router dierectly
[08:22] <BluesKaj> ok, giorgos have you run the printer wizard in system settings ?
[08:22] <uga> giorgos: it looks nice, but I've never seen such a setup, sorry
[08:22] <uga> the router must just pass raw data over to the usb
[08:23] <TunaTom> This thread indicates, that it might either be a faulty media or dma being turned on when it shouldnt.
[08:23] <BluesKaj> me neither usually the printer is connected to the pc using usb
[08:23] <giorgos> yes BluesKaj i have it.
[08:23] <uga> BluesKaj: well, it's the same thing. The router is a small pc
[08:23] <uga> giorgos: ?
[08:23] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm... so the Kubuntu Kernel is the problem? The DVD are all fine...
[08:24] <giorgos> i was able to install it as LPDconfiguration
[08:24] <giorgos> yes una?
[08:24] <giorgos> uga sorry
[08:24] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Perhaps you can just try to disable dma for the drive?
[08:24] <BluesKaj> lets not argue semantics , we have to configure his printer so it works on both the windows and linux pcs
[08:24] <soa2ii> TunaTom: And this does not explain my keyboard problems
[08:24] <giorgos> what do you mean with such a setup?
[08:24] <giorgos> uga?
[08:24] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Keyboard?
[08:24] <uga> giorgos: nothing. I believe you just said that the pc is usb connected to the printer?
[08:25] <BluesKaj> giorgos, most printers are connected to the windows pc , the linux pc finds the printer server on the windows pc
[08:25] <giorgos> no :-) i mean the the printer is conectet to my router with usb
[08:25] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Yes... the keyboard repeats somtetimes a char just pressed once and reacts VERY slowly...
[08:26] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Sorry can't help with that one.
[08:26] <soa2ii> This error appears just (I'm not 100% sure) with the dvd error together
[08:26] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Disabling dma is very easy and not dangerous.
[08:26] <biopod> !bravia
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bravia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <biopod> !widescreen
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <TunaTom> soa2ii: enter sudo hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc
[08:27] <stdin> !resolution | biopod
[08:27] <ubotu> biopod: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:27] <giorgos> ok. I thik we missudertand. So again: my printer is connectet to my router on a USB port. No i try to conect to that printer from linux. But i dont know how.
[08:27] <biopod> stdin thanks.
[08:27] <soa2ii> TunaTom: had no effect...
[08:27] <giorgos> Windows can manage this.
[08:28] <uga>                      uhm... fromnow on I  can't   respond    fo rm                            my   writings here...
[08:28] <TunaTom> soa2ii: Sorry then, but I can't help any more.
[08:28] <soa2ii> TunaTom: I'll try the gutsy kernel... i hope this will be fine...
[08:28] <TunaTom> uga: lol
[08:28] <uga>         my 1.5 yr old nep hew isone of the           yo        un gest           kubvungggggggggggtugggggggg                     utgsyuserhsy               =)
[08:28] <Chousuke> okay
[08:29] <TunaTom> uga: Wow, that surely looks impressive!
[08:29] <stdin> giorgos: have you tried adding it yet, via System Settings > Printers, Add > Printer/Class and choosing "Remote LPD Queue" ?
[08:29] <TunaTom> soa2ii: If you are not an experienced linux user,
[08:29] <Chousuke> kubvungtug is it now
[08:29] <TunaTom> you should consider waiting till it is released.
[08:29] <giorgos> yes i did ti stdin. It is still my configuraton now but whe i sent a prinjob no job comes out
[08:30] <giorgos> maybe i have mistakes in my configuration
[08:30] <soa2ii> TunaTom: I thought so...
[08:30] <TunaTom> soa2ii: It's only a few days left.
[08:30] <dhq_> i want to make my own os linux are there steps anywhere
[08:31] <TunaTom> dhq_: Yes, try linux from scratch!
[08:31] <giorgos> i have configured as lpd://ip-adress/lpUSB0 is that correct?
[08:31] <dhq_> TunaTom, well do the have all documentation
[08:32] <soa2ii> TunaTom: maybe i'll just dist-upgrade right now... the system isn't anything worth.... :/
[08:32] <TunaTom> soa2ii: okay, perhaps you're one happy user and nothing will break till the release. I'm running gutsy since two weeks now.
[08:33] <soa2ii> and?
[08:33] <TunaTom> soa2ii: No breaks. (Apart from binary nvidia)
[08:34] <TunaTom> dhq_: If you _have_ all documentation, what's the point in asking if there are any steps?
[08:34] <eddy> hola
[08:34] <gerry_> anyone running xen?
[08:34] <TunaTom> eddy: carinho
[08:34] <TunaTom> (?)
[08:34] <dhq_> TunaTom, well do they have all documentation ---my mistake
[08:35] <TunaTom> dhq_: have a look at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ .
[08:35] <TunaTom> That _really_ gets ou on your way to your own linux os!
[08:35] <TunaTom> s/ou/you/
[08:37] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Don't you think LFS is a little to hardcore? :P
[08:37] <cloakable> no :P
[08:38] <cloakable> I'd reccomend LFS to anyone who wants to REALLY learn Linux :P
[08:38] <uga> heh, back =)
[08:38] <uga> scary what a kid can do on a linux desktop, when given a keyboard :P
[08:39] <TunaTom> soa2ii: He asked for steps on how to make his own Linux os.
[08:39] <uga> you gotta hate shortcuts
[08:39] <TunaTom> uga: ouch
[08:39] <soa2ii> TunaTom: Hm ok... maybe a ubuntu command line install is what he want :D
[08:40] <TunaTom> oops
[08:41] <soa2ii> LFS is just if you got nothing else to do... I think gentoo is quite hard and maybe a stage1 install is the best for an "own" linux...
[08:41] <uga> giorgos: what's the router's name?
[08:41] <uga> so that I could digg a bit more of info
[08:43] <biopod> after giving up from the ATI radeon x1600, i've decided to go buy me an nvidia card tomorw. anyone wants to reccomend me any?
[08:44] <biopod> all I require from it is that it will have DVI out
[08:44] <biopod> something that works right out of the box, please.
[08:44] <BluesKaj> biopod, what were you trying to do on the x1600?
[08:45] <biopod> just about every single method that was described in the forums.
[08:45] <BluesKaj> biopod , that's not an anbswer
[08:45] <biopod> compiling, runing the auto installer from ATI,
[08:45] <TunaTom> biopod: I have a GeForce 6200. Must be one of the cheapest and low-profile GPU that can run compiz.
[08:45] <informaticous> salut
[08:46] <BluesKaj> biopod , which driver?
[08:46] <biopod> 8.4 wasnt it?
[08:46] <biopod> not sure anymore.
[08:47] <biopod> did you get it to run?
[08:47] <BluesKaj> biopod, 8.41.7 or 8.40.4 ?
[08:47] <informaticous> coi
[08:47] <biopod> 8.40.4
[08:47] <TunaTom> informaticous: hello again
[08:47] <bazhang> informaticous: question?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> biopod, I have the 8.41.7 running 3d and DRI on a X200G onboard
[08:48] <biopod> BluesKaj: I should try it with the 8.41.7 as well...
[08:49] <BluesKaj> ok, biopod , make sure you unib=nstall the generic driver first
[08:49] <BluesKaj> erruninstall
[08:49] <biopod> BluesKaj: ok man. i'll sure give it another go.
[08:50] <BluesKaj> biopod, https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html
[08:50] <BluesKaj> biopod, then this : http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[08:50] <markgreene_> Hey guys. Have any of you expereince problems connecting to google talk with Kopete?
[08:51] <hoens> does anyone know why i get the following error when starting inkscape? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39981/
[08:52] <biopod> thank BluesKaj i'll update soon on any success/faliure
[08:53] <uga> hoens: sounds ike you're running it as root?
[08:53] <uga> I'd say it's trying to acess the X server
[08:54] <hoens> I'm not running it as root
[08:54] <TunaTom> hoens: That's only the wacom devices in the xorg.conf. You can ignore that.
[08:54] <hoens> TunaTom: ah ok
[08:54] <hoens> TunaTom: can I/should I disable it in the xorg.conf?
[08:54] <uga> hoens: oh, but then inkscape starts up?
[08:55] <uga> hoens: yes, you can disable those
[08:55] <hoens> uga: yeah
[08:55] <hoens> ah ok
[08:55] <uga> just comment them out
[08:55] <hoens> thanks
[08:56] <modestymaster> Question regarding Fiesty's flash plugin for 64 bit firefox:
[08:56] <modestymaster> I've followed all of the steps outlined in the 'AddOnApplcations' wiki page, right up to the last step, "Load the module as an automatic service:"
[08:56] <modestymaster> That references the path "System > Preferences > Sessions-->New".  I'm assuming that that is a KMenu path.  I have no such path and furthermore don't see an obvious way to find it.
[08:56] <modestymaster> Can someone please direct me?
[09:08] <TunaTom> modestymaster: I don't know what that path means, but obviously the ndiswrapper-command must be executed at each boot.
[09:10] <modestymaster> thanks tunatom.  I just added a line to rc.local
[09:10] <TunaTom> modestymaster: That's what I was about to say...
[09:10] <modestymaster> good times
[09:11] <usser> hello is kblueplugd kde bluetooth daemon?
[09:15] <TunaTom> usser: apparently it comes from the package kdebluetooth, so yes, it probably is the kde bluetooth daemon.
[09:16] <jthomas> hey has an update to HAL or something recently happened?  All of the computers which I administer have lost their USB drives :(  This has always been the cause in the past.
[09:16] <usser> TunaTom: im never planning on using it but i could not find any place to turn it off
[09:18] <TunaTom> usser: If you don't want bluetooth, try to remove kdebluetooth.
[09:18] <Alloos2> Hi guys, my internet connection used to be fine, recently it disconnect every now and then for around one minute and then connect again, where can I check for whats wrong?
[09:18] <usser> TunaTom: ok, i'll do
[09:20] <usser> Alloos2: first off check all the wires, then your adsl/cable modem
[09:21] <usser> Alloos2: i had a couple cases in my practice where adsl modems just kept rebooting so there were no inet for a minute or so
[09:22] <Alloos2> usser: did, all is fine, I think it has something to do with the configuration, Iam guessing that the connection is timing out somehow
[09:23] <usser> Alloos2: timing out eh
[09:24] <usser> Alloos2: is it a wired one?
[09:25] <usser> Alloos2: well, creating a simple ping script comes to mind ))
[09:25] <usser> #!/bin/sh
[09:25] <usser> ping google.com
[09:25] <ScorpKing> routers usually have a 'keep alive' option.
[09:25] <feierfox> how to create hashes from a file to compare it with an pother file?
[09:26] <Alloos2> yes its wired connection
[09:26] <usser> feierfox: md5
[09:26] <feierfox> yes
[09:26] <feierfox> an how to use?
[09:26] <Alloos2> usser: it pings normally, simply because iam connecting to internet now
[09:27] <usser> Alloos2: no i mean keep the script running all the time see if it times out
[09:27] <Alloos2> I dont think its wise idea
[09:27] <Alloos2> :)
[09:27] <usser> Alloos2: its not )
[09:27] <feierfox> how to create md5 checksums?
[09:28] <usser> feierfox: i think md5 filename does that
[09:28] <leon_romain> md5sum filename>
[09:28] <usser> md5sum yea
[09:28] <leon_romain> md5sum filename > filename.md5
[09:28] <RobM05x> Is it better to use 6.06 or download 7.04?
[09:28] <leon_romain> it creates a file named filename.md5
[09:29] <hsystem-x> its better to download 7.04, more features.. more improvements.
[09:29] <leon_romain> iand it contains the md5sum and the filename.
[09:29] <RobM05x> when does the new version of Kubuntu come out?
[09:29] <leon_romain> to check it you use md5sum -c filename.md5
[09:29] <usser> RobM05x: oct 18th
[09:29] <hsystem-x> well there is a BETA version of the Gutsy Gibbon already
[09:30] <RobM05x> How much difference is the beta going to be from the stable?
[09:30] <hsystem-x> you can check when it will be realeased as final version in ubuntu.com
[09:30] <feierfox> ok no he is calculating
[09:30] <BluesKaj> 10 days for the final release
[09:30] <usser> RobM05x: i dont think i'll be much different now
[09:30] <leon_romain> Who can't hardly wait another ten days for the official release?
[09:31] <BluesKaj> Oct 18
[09:31] <usser> RobM05x: the updates coming out are bug fixes
[09:31] <leon_romain> feierfox: how big is your file?
[09:31] <RobM05x> ok thx
[09:31] <feierfox> 700MB
[09:31] <leon_romain> cd iso?
[09:31] <hsystem-x> #amarok
[09:31] <feierfox> no AVI
[09:32] <leon_romain> that might take a while
[09:32] <feierfox> i want to compare, because K3B doesn't compare the burned files anymore :(((
[09:32] <hsystem-x> #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:32] <RobM05x> This is the fastest computer I've ever put Kubuntu on.. ATI Radeon 1300 512mb, with 2GB of ram, 3.0 GHz processor... everything is so fast
[09:32] <usser> RobM05x: wow
[09:33] <feierfox> or i just trust K3B :(
[09:33] <hsystem-x> video memory 512 Nice XD.
[09:33] <feierfox> that it did a good job
[09:33] <Doobeh> Is there a place to change the keyboard layout in the GUI?
[09:34] <Doobeh> Sorry-- found it
[09:34] <BluesKaj> Doobeh, system settings/keyboard & mouse
[09:35] <stdin> I'd think Regional & Language
[09:36] <BluesKaj> stdin, yer right , but why,doesn't make sense to me :)
[09:36] <stdin> because it has to do with the region and language probably :p
[09:36] <stdin> it'd be nice if it was in both, but duplicates aren't nice
[09:37] <stdin> !away > deviance|away
[09:37] <deviance|away> (sorry)
[09:37] <RobM05x> What is a good download manager for Kubuntu?
[09:37] <BluesKaj> what browser ?
[09:38] <Doobeh> Okay, next big question--  I've played around with the ndiswrapper and finally got my wireless card working (I can see it in ifconfig/iwconfig and scan from the command line)
[09:38] <RobM05x> Me? Firefox
[09:38] <Doobeh> but I'd like to add it to the KnetworkManager program
[09:38] <NickPresta> RobM05x, kget is sufficient, I think
[09:38] <Doobeh> but it doesn't seem to allow me to do so-- anyone know a howto that might help?
[09:39] <Doobeh> Then I just need to get the resolution up and I'm all golden :)
[09:39] <BluesKaj> naptime , BBL
[09:40] <NickPresta> RobM05x, since you mentioned you're using Firefox, DownloadThemAll is a good manager too
[09:40] <feierfox> soon my HD will die
[09:40] <feierfox> it sounds like "clickclackclickclickclackclick*
[09:40] <feierfox> :(
[09:41] <Daisuke_Ido> DownThemAll!
[09:42] <frank_> I have a Laptop (Lenovo 3000 n100) which is running Kubuntu Feisty. I have connected a extra monitor (A 19" LCD monitor) through the VGA-connection. I am only able do see the same picture on both monitors. I want to run "dual monitors" Like i was doing in Windows XP. Is this possible/and how can I do this in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <frank_> It is a intel video card
[09:43] <RobM05x> It's possible, I did it at one time.. Forget how though
[09:43] <leon_romain> Option Clone Off
[09:43] <leon_romain> Option Xinerama On
[09:43] <frank_> sure that will work with my video card leon_romain?
[09:44] <leon_romain> No, I am not sure about your Intel card.
[09:44] <leon_romain> I have done it with an NVIDIA card with the nv driver.
[09:44] <frank_> yea, nv is a different story
[09:44] <leon_romain> True
[09:45] <leon_romain> Twinview on the nvidia driver works smoother
[09:45] <feierfox> yeah!!
[09:45] <feierfox> the md5 hashes are exactly the same
[09:45] <feierfox> thanks for helping me!
[09:45] <feierfox> :)
[09:46] <feierfox> whoohooo \o/
[09:46] <leon_romain> Way back I used an old nvidia card and an ATI+voodoo card and I managed to get it working with Xinerama
[09:46] <leon_romain> feierfox: Great
[09:59] <ubuntu> hello.
[10:00] <ScorpKing> hey ubuntu
[10:00] <ubuntu> some1 can tell me why i cant format my disk with ext3? i can only choose ext2, fat16 fat 32 and swap
[10:01] <ScorpKing> from the installer?
[10:01] <ubuntu> ScorpKing: any ides dude?
[10:01] <ubuntu> no from qtparted
[10:01] <ScorpKing> ^^
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: do you get the option? is the option greyed out?
[10:01] <ubuntu> i dont get it at all
[10:02] <ubuntu> no ext3 at all
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> humm
[10:02] <ScorpKing> ubuntu, use cli
[10:03] <frojnd> hello there I have a SERIOUS PROBLEM: when I started safe mode: 52.592777 soft lockop detected on CPU#0!  What is this? how can I get rid of this problem anyone?? thanx
[10:03] <ubuntu> my prob is  i got my data backep up on my / and wanted to copy to new home ext3 partitions but cant cause only ext2 is avaliable
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: is it a laptop?
[10:04] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: Nop, it's a box
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: get the gparted cd.
[10:05] <ScorpKing> frojnd: make it ext2 and change it to ext3 from command line
[10:05] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: hmm I always fixed errors like that on my laptop with pulling the battery out
[10:06] <NickPresta> heh. <3 Python
[10:06] <NickPresta> oh jeeuze. Wrong channel. Forgive me
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: I do too :)
[10:07] <frojnd> ScorpKing: I don't understand... ur saying that I must format all my data on (I don't know which disk) and make it ext2 ?
[10:08] <WCTracker> format is such a strong word
[10:08] <ScorpKing> frojnd: you have ext2 available right? use it and change it after qtparted exit
[10:09] <frojnd> ScorpKing: Yes I have ext2 available, I just don't understand what ur saying. Sorry for me being such a newbie but when I heard make it ext2 I think that I must format it into ext2...
[10:09] <ScorpKing> lol
 some1 can tell me why i cant format my disk with ext3? <-- use ext2 instead.
[10:10] <frojnd> ScorpKing: oh, and my partitions are ext3...
[10:10] <jthomas> can anyone tell me how to connect to a friend's machine and see her kubuntu desktop from my debian desktop?  all of the VNC apps seem to give me my *own* desktop when i log in, nothing at all like what she is seeing.  We need to *share* the same desktop, mouse, etc. and see the same problems and solutions on the same screen...
[10:11] <ScorpKing> frojnd: ok, i'm lost. explain the whole thing again. :)
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> jthomas: U think you have to exprt to her display or something..
[10:12] <nosrednaekim> *I
[10:12] <jthomas> how?
[10:12] <jthomas> export it to my display?  will she then not be able to see it?
[10:12] <frojnd> ScorpKing: for some reason my ubuntu won't start... so I restart it and run safe mode... it stoped with an error: 52.592777 soft lockop detected on CPU#0! and it was there just waiting, so I restart computer again, and start normal mode. This time ubuntu successfuly loaded but not for long. next time I restart it was problem the same...
[10:14] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: that is definately a BIOS/hardware problem
[10:14] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: a bios? when I start XP it boots normal...
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: XP is a bit more tolerant of BIOS problems
[10:15] <jthomas> frojnd: did you lose power or something to maybe corrupt the data on the hard drive?  not power it down correctly?
[10:15] <ScorpKing> frojnd: so what's the plan with the disks?
[10:15] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: so there is a mistake or error... even in if I boot XP.. but what problem of what hardware? disks?
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: its the CPU or BIOS possibly memory
[10:16] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: try running a memory test
[10:16] <frojnd> nosrednaekim: what could be the worst case scenario
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> frojnd: no telling... new CPU.. new motherboard
[10:18] <ScorpKing> frojnd: it could be other hardware as well.
[10:19] <jthomas> worst case scenario?  lost data of course.
[10:19] <ubuntu> ScorpKing: any ideas about that ext3 prob? i dont know what to do :/
[10:20] <jthomas> frojnd: can you boot into a Live CD?
[10:20] <ScorpKing> frojnd: i don't understand what you want to do with ext3. :(
[10:21] <hotknivez_> wazzup yall
[10:21] <ubuntu> frojnd:  what prob u have?
[10:21] <jthomas> ubuntu is your disk old
[10:21] <ScorpKing> frojnd: google for - soft lockup detected on CPU#0! - there's a few interesting links. no solutions tho
[10:21] <frojnd> ubuntu: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[10:21] <jthomas> the disk without ext3 option?
[10:21] <pillowpants> does anyone here do any gaming on kubuntu?
[10:21] <frojnd> ubuntu: I just installed my wireless pci card, maybe this is the reason..
[10:22] <jthomas> frojnd: yes it could give stopping errors possibly, can you take it out and try again?
[10:22] <ubuntu> jthomas: it not an old disk but its not SATA :/
[10:22] <ubuntu> jthomas: but i had it formated as ext3
[10:22] <frojnd> ScorpKing: em... u told me someth. about making ext2 :)
[10:22] <jthomas> always undo anything that results in an error, to help narrow down the problem
[10:22] <ScorpKing> pillowpants: cedega works ok they say. :P
[10:22] <frojnd> jthomas: I can take it out, but I really need internet :)
[10:22] <jthomas> frojnd: more than the hardware to get you there?
[10:22] <ScorpKing> frojnd: yes. make it ext2 first
[10:22] <jthomas> you can always put it back in
[10:23] <jthomas> frojnd: making it EXT2 *will* destroy any exdisting data!
[10:23] <ubuntu> can i convernt ext2 to ext3 without data loss? :P
[10:23] <frojnd> jthomas: I know this, that's why I don't understand why ScorpKing is telling me this..
[10:23] <ScorpKing> frojnd: do you want to create a new ext3 partition?
[10:23] <ubuntu> convert*
[10:23] <frojnd> ScorpKing: no... :)
[10:23] <ScorpKing> oh i see. lol
[10:24] <frojnd> ScorpKing: I have BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! THIS problem, after putin in a pci wireless card
[10:24] <uga> ubuntu: yes, you can
[10:24] <uga> ubuntu: ext3 is ext2 with journaling enabled
[10:24] <ubuntu> uga: but if i will have home as ext2
[10:24] <ubuntu> and later convert it to ext3 will those data stay there after convert?
[10:25] <uga> data stays. You don't need to mkfs
[10:25] <uga> tune2fs -j /dev/sdafoo
[10:25] <frojnd> jthomas: I've also put rt61 and rt61pci to a blacklist so computer isn't freezing anymore.
[10:25] <uga> -j enables journaling iirc
[10:25] <ubuntu> uga: well
[10:25] <ubuntu> uga: if i format  it as ext3 i will need to use live cd for that right?
[10:26] <uga> ubuntu: you don't format it
[10:26] <ScorpKing> frojnd: lmao! looks like it's bedtime for me again. i was talking to ubuntu. hahahaha
[10:26] <uga> ubuntu: you just tune it to enable journaling
[10:26] <uga> ubuntu: ext2 format is same as ext3
[10:26] <uga> ext3 == ext2 with journaling enabled
[10:26] <frojnd> jthomas: I've put this cause this was the instruction to make work this pci wireless card:  Linksys
[10:26] <frojnd> WMP54G
[10:26] <frojnd> ScorpKing: not a problem..
[10:27] <jthomas> ok but frojnd the freeze only happened after you installed the card, yes?
[10:27] <ubuntu> i am on live cd now so if i format it as ext2 use tune2fs -j it will be ext3 a'ght?
[10:27] <uga> yes
[10:27] <uga> some site suggests tune2fs -c 0 -i 30 -j /dev/hda1
[10:27] <jthomas> frojnd: did you knock something loose inside of the computer?  a cable or other card or memory?
[10:27] <ScorpKing> ty uga. :) i got lost. :)
[10:27] <uga> that's for number of mounts before checking, etc
[10:27] <uga> ScorpKing: np
[10:27] <ubuntu> uga: so what should i use then lol?
[10:28] <uga> ubuntu: that option sounds sane
[10:28] <uga> ubuntu: it's telling the OS how often to check the filesystem for errors
[10:28] <ubuntu> uga: so tune2fs -j /dev/partition is enough right?
[10:28] <uga> ubuntu: "Adjust -c and -i according to local policy: -c means check every N mounts; 0 disables it, and it's kind of irrelevant in a datacenter environment. -i means check every N days, here, at the next reboot if 30 days have gone by. One or the other of these should be positive; otherwise fsck will never get run."
[10:29] <uga> so he's enabling a filesystem check every 30 days
[10:29] <ubuntu> ah
[10:29] <uga> ubuntu: yes, that's enough. He's just enabling filesystemchecks in a logical manner
[10:29] <ubuntu> uga: its better to allow that system check?
[10:29] <uga> ubuntu: I was checking it here http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/documents/convert2ext3.html
[10:30] <uga> ubuntu: not sure what's the default ubuntu policy. But yes, it sounds sane.
[10:31] <ubuntu> uga: but why i have to do this when lastly i was installing kubuntu i could format it as ext3 w/o any probs? =/
[10:32] <uga> ubuntu: ah, no idea. I missed the origin of the conversation
[10:32] <RobM05x> how big is the upgrade MB wise to go from 7.04 to 7.10?
[10:32] <uga> I dont' know why you got it installed on ext2
[10:32] <uga> anyone knows how to read parameters set previously with tune2fs?
[10:32] <Schuenemann> heya
[10:33] <Schuenemann> why is kubuntu a dvd now?
[10:33] <uga> Schuenemann: you have installer CDs
[10:33] <uga> no need for DVD
[10:34] <Schuenemann> for gutsy?
[10:34] <uga> gutsy isn't out yet, but yes. The installer I downloaded was on CD
[10:34] <Schuenemann> I only found dvd versions at the web page
[10:34] <Schuenemann> so, why a dvd version?
[10:34] <uga> !releases
[10:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:35] <ibilic> how do I enable my partitions?
[10:35] <uga> uhm, not there. Strange
[10:35] <ibilic> in system settings, it says that they are disabled
[10:35] <underdog5004> ibilic, what do you mean exactly?
[10:35] <ibilic> ok, i have 2 partitions that I want to access
[10:36] <Yorokobi> Schuenemann, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[10:36] <uga> ibilic: enter administrator mode (on the bottom), and right click, modify
[10:36] <ibilic> apparently, they are mounted (I am looking at the Disk & Filesystems in System Settings)
[10:36] <ibilic> but they are not "Enabled"
[10:36] <underdog5004> ibilic, where are they mounted?
[10:36] <jthomas> ibilic: 'enabled' to do what?
[10:37] <ibilic>  /mnt/sdb1 and /mnt/sdb2
[10:37] <ibilic> I don't know, just look at the GUI, they are not Enabled... no idea what that means
[10:37] <ibilic> but I surely can't see the files
[10:37] <Schuenemann> Yorokobi, is that tribe 5?
[10:37] <ibilic> sorry, I enabled them
[10:37] <ibilic> now they work
[10:38] <jthomas> look at what part of the GUI?  what is telling you this infomation? ibilic
[10:38] <ubuntu> uga: k tyvm now in qtparted shows ext3
[10:38] <underdog5004> ibilic, try cd'ing to /mnt/sdb1
[10:38] <ubuntu> uga: so its done?
[10:38] <jthomas> ibilic: how did you enable them?
[10:38] <ibilic> I just clicked on "Enable" lol
[10:38] <jthomas> but where?  what application?  what setting?
[10:38] <ibilic> but I was confused because I checked the box "Enable at Startup"
[10:38] <jthomas> i have never seen this
[10:38] <ibilic> and they were not enabled
[10:38] <RobM05x> what's the linux alternative to Darkroom? http://they.misled.us/dark-room? emacs in a terminal?
[10:39] <jthomas> ibilic: where did you enable the drives?
[10:39] <ibilic> ok, in Kubuntu, go to "Stert", then System Settings, then to the Advanced tab, then to Disk & Filesystems
[10:39] <uga> Schuenemann: for example: ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/.pool/
[10:39] <jthomas> hmm
[10:39] <jthomas> thanks
[10:39] <uga> Schuenemann: all mirrors have CDs of gutsy
[10:40] <uga> ubuntu: should be. Just in case check /etc/fstab, to see if it mentions ext2
[10:40] <uga> ubuntu: you should edit it and set it to ext3, if so
[10:40] <uga> else they'll be used without journaling
[10:40] <Schuenemann> uga, weird, in the morning I only found a page full of dvd files
[10:41] <ubuntu> uga: it doesnt show that partition there loal
[10:41] <Yorokobi> Schuenemann, it should be, if not, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will bring you current.
[10:41] <uga> ubuntu: if it's automounted, then it must be there
[10:42] <ubuntu> uga: i mouted it
[10:42] <uga> ahk
[10:42] <ubuntu> mounted*
[10:42] <uga> ubuntu: just take care that when you add it, you add them as ext3 and be done
[10:42] <ubuntu> uga: i have to add em?
[10:42] <uga> I wonder what will happen to reiser4
[10:43] <Schuenemann> what is the dvd version anyway, uga?
[10:43] <uga> ubuntu: I don't think kubuntu will autodetect them after the install. Not sure, maybe it will
[10:43] <uga> Schuenemann: no idea
[10:43] <uga> Schuenemann: possibly tons of packages usually installed from the net, packed
[10:43] <ubuntu> uga: so if not i have to edit /etc/fstab and retype from ext2 to ext3 in that partition parrt?
[10:44] <uga> ubuntu: yes, just copy the previous line, as example
[10:44] <uga> uhm.. what I don't know is...
[10:44] <ubuntu> uga: well  i am on livecd atm so if after installation to my hdd will show ext2 i need to change it?
[10:44] <uga> anybody knows how I can read the uuid of a disk?
[10:45] <uga> rather, partition. ie, uuid of sda1 for example
[10:45] <uga> ubuntu: ah, yes. The live cd won't show your hdd disks, obviously ;)
[10:45] <uga> (on fstab, I mean)
[10:46] <ubuntu> so i am need to change it upon system install
[10:46] <ubuntu> *needed
[10:47] <uga> if you haven't installed it yet, and you install it, then the partition will be set up as ext3
[10:49] <uga> ubuntu: and btw... I think that my second ide disk was autodetected when I installed it afterwards, since it shows up on system settings at least
[10:49] <uga> even if fstab was untouche
[10:49] <uga> d
[10:49] <ubuntu> uga: just tell me i just check fstab and if it shows ext2 in that case i rewrite it?
[10:50] <uga> ubuntu: just tell me what you are doing, else I can't tell =)
[10:50] <uga> ubuntu: have you previously installed kubuntu?
[10:50] <uga> or you are installing kubuntu
[10:54] <ubuntu> uga: i have had installed kubuntu home and / with ext3
[10:54] <ubuntu> now wanted to reinstall
[10:54] <ubuntu> but for home only ext2 option was not ext3
[10:55] <uga> ubuntu: if you reinstall kubuntu, it will create a new fstab
[10:55] <uga> and that will contain ext3 entries
[10:55] <uga> else just edit it, but it will. Don't worry
[10:55] <ubuntu> so   idont have to change it
[10:55] <uga> possibly not
[10:55] <ubuntu> and the partition is already ext3
[10:55] <uga> yes
[10:55] <ubuntu> k ty mate ^^
[10:56] <{rm-rf> Hi
[10:56] <{rm-rf> I've got a weird question
[10:56] <ScorpKing> ask away...
[10:56] <{rm-rf> what's the difference between the kubuntu distro ? I mean I have 6.06 LTS
[10:56] <{rm-rf> but I have not upgraded to recent versions
[10:57] <{rm-rf> I prefer to compile my kernel by hand, am I missing something ?
[10:57] <ScorpKing> each version gets better.
[10:57] <{rm-rf> in which way ?
[10:57] <{rm-rf> is it only kernel related ?
[10:57] <ScorpKing> using later software...
[10:58] <ScorpKing> and there is always ongoing changes to make things better for users. like installing.
[10:58] <underdog5004> {rm-rf, there is no difference, just a different selection of default packages...
[10:58] <LjL> {rm-rf: newer versions of packages and new ubuntu-specific features.
[10:58] <ibilic> how do I check for free space on my sda3 partition?
[10:58] <LjL> {rm-rf: google for "ubuntu blueprints" for the latter, and look at http://packages.ubuntu.com for the former
[10:58] <underdog5004>  ibilic df -h
[10:59] <ScorpKing> ibilic: df
[10:59] <{rm-rf> hmm I see
[10:59] <ibilic> thanks
[10:59] <underdog5004> np
[11:00] <{rm-rf> thx. And by the way how can I upgrade the distro, is it something as easy as using adept to upgrade ? Can I use my own kernel ?
[11:00] <underdog5004> {rm-rf, update-manager
[11:00] <underdog5004> erm... update-manager -c, I think
[11:00] <uga> !update-manager
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about update-manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <{rm-rf> cheers
[11:00] <uga> people create new apps on a daily basis =)
[11:01] <underdog5004> !upgrade-manager
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade-manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <underdog5004> !info update-manager
[11:01] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.59.25 (feisty), package size 849 kB, installed size 2088 kB
[11:01] <underdog5004> there we go
[11:01] <frojnd> !wireless
[11:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:02] <uga> underdog5004: heh, why use gnome apps when you have similar apps already installed on kubuntu =)
[11:02] <{rm-rf> yup I've got this package, downloading it, thx a lot
[11:02] <{rm-rf> ah yeah, it's gnome, does it mater ?
[11:02] <underdog5004> uga, you can use it from the cli as well, with update-manager-core
[11:03] <uga> underdog5004: if you want to use cli, you just edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to gutsy and use apt-get
[11:03] <uga> no need to extra apps
[11:03] <underdog5004> uga, no no no, that's a very bad way to upgrade
[11:03] <uga> uh? worked here =)
[11:03] <underdog5004> uga, yeah, but I've borked a few machines using that method
[11:04] <uga> heh, you have to be cautious, yes ;)
[11:04] <dwidmann> underdog5004: how so? I've been doing it that way for three years and have yet to see anything wrong with it
[11:04] <underdog5004> !worksforme
[11:04] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[11:04] <underdog5004> anyway, I'm just relating my experiences and others
[11:05] <uga> underdog5004: what's it that the update-manager you mentioned does differently
[11:05] <underdog5004> uga, that's the "official" way to do the upgrade
[11:05] <uga> I wish I knew what it exactly does... I see it could break in a similar way
[11:06] <uga> I had quite a few dependancy problems that I had to fix manually
[11:06] <uga> and I doubt any app will do that cleanly
[11:06] <uga> unless it uses --force-foo, which... I really don't accept
[11:06] <uga> underdog5004: you know, I'm one of those guys that don't trust automatic stuff, so he prefers doing stuff manually ;))
[11:07] <Creationist> What Firefox plugin is used in KDE to view embedded videos?  I don't want to have to use MPlayer and the VLC plugin doesn't work.
[11:07] <uga> underdog5004: I feel like inside a car that drives on its own...
[11:07] <stoft> Creationist: flashvid or other?
[11:07] <uga> no, I'd rather hold the steering wheel :P
[11:07] <underdog5004> Creationist, mozilla-plugin-vlc, I think
[11:07] <Creationist> stoft: Not just flash, but embedded mpg, mov, etc.
[11:07] <Creationist> underdog5004: Yeah, that plugin has never worked for me.
[11:07] <underdog5004> argh, the glare on my computer monitor is killing me...see you all later
[11:07] <uga> Creationist: uh? kde doesn't use firefox plugins
[11:08] <uga> it'll use kaffeine possibly
[11:08] <underdog5004> Creationist, mozilla-plugin-mplayer as well
[11:08] <ScorpKing> how can i add a user with adduser and give it uid and gid of 1005 ?
[11:08] <Creationist> underdog5004: You didn't read my whole question, did you? lol
[11:08] <abominius> ScorpKing: man adduser
[11:08] <Creationist> uga: Okay, well KDE + Firefox ;)
[11:08] <Creationist> ...konqueror sucks, IMO
[11:08] <bjwebb> hi!
[11:08] <bjwebb> Creationist: lol
[11:08] <uga> Creationist: firefox sucks imho ;))
[11:09] <uga> so I don't really use it. I can't tell, really
[11:09] <ScorpKing> abominius: hehe. was hoping not to read the man pages. lol
[11:09] <bjwebb> uga: :O
[11:09] <abominius> good
[11:09] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:09] <abominius> RTFM ! :D
[11:09] <uga> bjwebb: no kidding. Why should I know what plugin firefox uses, if I don't use it ;)
[11:10] <uga> bjwebb: about sucking or not sucking, I just responded with the same qualifying adjective ;)
[11:10] <bjwebb> grrr
[11:10] <Creationist> Now, there's no need to be mean.  Most people, KDE or Gnome, use Firefox, as I understand...
[11:10] <uga> bjwebb: anyway, unless somebody really fixes firefox's startup time, and the reason why it takes 2 runs to start up...
[11:10] <Creationist> I've never really given Konq a chance, of course.
[11:10] <uga> ie, make it lighter
[11:11] <jthomas> konq has its ups and downs
[11:11] <erik> Hello everyone. A rather simpel question I guess: I succesfully installed Kubuntu 7.10. Via Adept I succesfully installed Compiz 0.6.0 and the Compiz Settings Manager. Where can I turn on Compiz ? (no 3D effects visible up to now)
[11:11] <uga> Creationist: developers and network managers love some features found in konqui though
[11:11] <uga> Creationist: for the average user, firefox is okay
[11:12] <jthomas> yeah i am an admin, and konq has some great tools for that.  but for web browsing, it needs some love... not sure *what* i dislike, but it just feels off
[11:12] <FunnyLookinHat> erik, you should be able to run compiz --replace in a console to start it
[11:12] <uga> heh, maybe I got used to the thinner rendered fonts of konqui. It works okay here
[11:12] <stoft> Creationist: other than mplayer or vlc, not sure what you could plugin, maybe xine has something?
[11:13] <stoft> the flashplugin will take care of flv for you though
[11:13] <FunnyLookinHat> erik, but further support can be found in #ubuntu-effects
[11:13] <bjwebb> anyway, is there a way to make non-kde apps use the OSX like menu at the top setting?
[11:13] <erik> FunnyLookinHat: is there a GUI way to turn it on ?
[11:13] <ScorpKing> abominius: adduser username --uid 1005 - hehe
[11:13] <abominius> :D
[11:13] <abominius> was siple
[11:13] <abominius> simple
[11:13] <abominius> :D
[11:14] <uga> bjwebb: lets put it simple. Firefox rocks on rendering porn pages ;)
[11:14] <fdoving> bjwebb: not that i'm aware of. i also think that would be hard to accomplish from a technical point of view.
[11:14] <uga> unlike konqui :P
[11:14] <FunnyLookinHat> erik, you can add it to your startup programs...  but not really
[11:14] <bjwebb> fdoving: hmm, does osx manage it btw?
[11:14] <erik> FunnyLookinHat: thx for directing me to the right IRC channel !
[11:14] <stoft> anyone know how to top a process without having to first looking up the pid, alternately how to pipe the pid from ps to top?
[11:14] <Creationist> erik: You could always just press Alt-F2 and type in "compiz --replace" ;)
[11:15] <fdoving> bjwebb: probably only for apps built with the magic-osx-toolkit i guess.
[11:15] <stoft> s/looking/look/
[11:15] <Creationist> erik: Then you wouldn't have to use the console (or create a link to the application on your desktop).
[11:15] <Creationist> erik: Just make sure you are aware of the "kwin --replace" command as well.... and be sure to install Emerald since for some reason the Ubuntu devs didn't think to install that along with Compiz.
[11:16] <fdoving> Creationist: one usually use kde-window-decorator with kde, emerald with gnome.. or atleast that's what i do.
[11:16] <uga> stoft: do you know ksysguard?
[11:17] <uga> stoft: it includes a search entry..
[11:17] <uga> I don't know if top could do same
[11:17] <uga> stoft: just press ctrl+esc
[11:17] <fdoving> stoft: htop is a nice app.
[11:17] <Creationist> fdoving: I had heard that, but kde-window-decorator isn't even in the Gutsy reps
[11:17] <erik> Creationist: "kwin --replace" reactivates the kwindows manager I suppose ?
[11:17] <fdoving> Creationist: package name is 'compiz-kde'
[11:17] <Creationist> ah
[11:18] <Creationist> erik: Correct - it will stop Compiz.
[11:18] <stoft> uga: thanks for the tip, too graphical though
[11:18] <stoft> fdoving: thnx, I'll look into it
[11:18] <uga> stoft: yeah I know, but sometimes gfx apps can't be rejected
[11:18] <stoft> true
[11:19] <uga> let me know next time you write an audio CD using cdrdao, without k3b ;))
[11:19] <stoft> but if vlc can stream across telnet, I'll be damned if top can't be enticed to play nice
[11:20] <fdoving> uga: apt-cache show burn :)
[11:20] <uga> stoft: =)
[11:20] <uga> fdoving: and what next. watching your next movie on ncurses interface? ;))
[11:21] <fdoving> uga: yeah, i use the aalib output plugin with mplayer.
[11:21] <uga> lol
[11:21] <bjwebb> hmmmmmmmm
[11:21] <uga> there's computer users, there's geeks,... and there's computer slaves ;)
[11:21] <bjwebb> fdoving: http://toastytech.com/guis/osx14firefox.png
[11:22] <fdoving> bjwebb: yeah, it's made for mac. it's not a gtk app on mac. it's this osx-toolkit-thing i don't remember the name of.
[11:22] <stoft> ps -C myapp -o pid will give me just the pid, but how do I pipe it to top -p?
[11:22] <fdoving> stoft: xargs
[11:23] <bjwebb> fdoving: :S
[11:23] <bjwebb> i don't want it anyway ;)
[11:23] <stoft> thnx fdoving, almost there now, just need to remove the header...
[11:23] <bjwebb> its just i want to show linux can do pretty much everything mac can
[11:24] <bjwebb> hmmm would it work if they made a qt firefox....
[11:24] <stoft> top -p `ps -C opera -o pid|grep -v PID`
[11:24] <fdoving> bjwebb: yes.
[11:24] <tarek_> when i want to activate my restricted driver, i get the following message
[11:24] <bjwebb> ....
[11:25] <cloakable> really?
[11:25] <tarek_> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages
[11:25] <fdoving> stoft: or: top -p $(pidof opera)
[11:25] <tarek_> or the commit would break packages
[11:25] <erik> Creationist: in the Ubuntu version you can activita Compiz via the "Visual Effects"-tab. Any idea why there is no GUI tool for Kubuntu ? (was there a GUI for 7.04?)
[11:26] <stoft> gah! fdoving, thnx, didn't know there was a pidof
[11:27] <Kubs_on_rocks> hey, does anyone can help me? How do I load kubuntu in konsole only mode?
[11:28] <ConstyXIV> how do you get the systray to keep everything in 2 lines?
[11:28] <feierfox> how to connect to a VPN server?
[11:28] <fdoving> Kubs_on_rocks: are you talking about recovery mode or just server-mode with no graphical environment running?
[11:28] <feierfox> i have the serveradress, my user and my pass
[11:28] <feierfox> but how to do :/
[11:28] <elkang> hmmm do u mean the shell u get with <str> <alt><f1> ConstyXIV
[11:28] <Kubs_on_rocks> second one!
[11:29] <elkang> hmmm do u mean the shell u get with <str> <alt><f1> Kubs_on_rocks
[11:29] <fdoving> ConstyXIV: increase its size. 'Large' makes two lines.
[11:29] <Creationist> erik: Kubuntu is the red-headed stepchild of the Ubuntu project, if that makes things any clearer for you ;)
[11:30] <Kubs_on_rocks> server mode only....
[11:30] <Creationist> erik: No, there was no gui for it in 7.04.
[11:30] <elkang> feierfox: get vpnc!
[11:30] <elkang> im using it as well =)
[11:30] <soldaat> oke
[11:30] <soldaat> alles goed?
[11:30] <Kubs_on_rocks> I wanna run kubuntu with no graphical interface, only konsole, how do I do that?
[11:31] <feierfox> ok, now i have vpnc
[11:31] <Creationist> Kubs_on_rocks: Sudo apt-get autoremove --purge kde-base
[11:31] <erik> Creationist: is "compiz --replace" permanent ? (if I reboot, is compiz still enabled?)
[11:31] <elkang> ok just run it
[11:31] <Creationist> erik: No.  You will need to (manually) add it to your startup options.
[11:31] <elkang> and if it works for u feierfox you can create a conf file with ip and login
[11:31] <Creationist> erik: Or, if you're familiar with the Session Manager, simply save a session while Compiz is running (that is how I did it)
[11:32] <phoenixz> elkang, Hi there, I just started using kvpnc to connect to a company VPN access point... They could not tell me much about it, but I figure its open swan.. The problem though is that when I connect, I get this error:  error: [freeswan err]  only freeswan version 1.x is supported  This means that kvpnc only supports 1.x and the server another version, or vice versa? And, how can I fix this problem?
[11:32] <fdoving> Kubs_on_rocks: then you need to stop kdm from starting, basically. so, go to kmenu -> system settings -> advanced (tab) -> system services -> find kdm, right-click toggle-start at boot...
[11:32] <erik> Creationist: where can I add it to my startup options ? (thx for your help btw!!)
[11:33] <elkang> hmm phoenixz I dont know about kvpnc and/or freeswan =/
[11:33] <Kubs_on_rocks> ok! I'll try that fdoving
[11:33] <Kubs_on_rocks> thanx for helping
[11:34] <Kubs_on_rocks> Thanx Creationist
[11:34] <Creationist> erik: I believe you simply add a symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:34] <Creationist> But since I didn't do it that way, I'm not positive how
[11:34] <phoenixz> elkang, but which are you using then for vpn?
[11:35] <feierfox> huuuh
[11:35] <elkang> phoenixz: im using vpnc, it works over the console
[11:36] <elkang> its pretty simple but works well for our vpn here
[11:36] <phoenixz> elkang, but it only supports ipsec I see?
[11:36] <elkang> yeah =/ thats why i said dont know freeswan^
[11:37] <phoenixz> mmm, let me see if they support ipsec here... they cant even tell me that
[11:37] <elkang> :D
[11:38] <elkang> I guess Im lucky, cause vpnc was written by our unix ag at university =)
[11:38] <elkang> so it works perrrrfect here ^^
[11:41] <Kubs_on_rocks> allright... Bye!!
[11:41] <phoenixz> elkang, Im not so lucky
[11:41] <elkang> =/
[11:45] <bjwebb> would ffmepg -i input.flv output.mp3 work
[11:54] <hector> lalalal
[11:55] <Stilo> How can i disable a Plugin of kxdocker?
[11:56] <Stilo> i have installed the taskbar blugin, but i dont like it..
[11:56] <Stilo> p
[11:56] <hector> lol
[11:59] <sub[t] rnl> greetings all
[12:02] <Schuenemann> greetings, command
[12:07] <earl_> is there a channel for help with mplayer?
[12:10] <phoenixz> Im trying to use kooka to scan with the network scanner/printer combo but its not really working.. Can kooka scan from a network attached printer?
[12:15] <ptfd9100> gtk-qt engine broken suddenly?
[12:17] <phoenixz>  /join #php
[12:18] <Schuenemann> phoenixz, is the printer working?
[12:18] <ptfd9100> anyone having compiz trouble?
[12:19] <Schuenemann> working from your computer, of course
[12:24] <KaTet> Hello
[12:26] <ICXCNIKA> Hello KaTet
[12:28] <spimort> hi all
[12:28] <amerikanski> hello
[12:28] <KaTet> this is my  first time doing irc
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Hi-o.
[12:28] <elkang> hi
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Well welcome to Freenode, KaTet.
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Are you a Kubuntu user?
[12:28] <KaTet> yes
[12:29] <JenniTheOwl> Hey guys, my adept manager greyed out on me when i searched something and has frozen x.o what do i do?
[12:29] <spimort> hoe can i read my partition of windoes with kubuntu plz?
[12:29] <ICXCNIKA> Cool. I'm still trying to decide between the merits of Kubuntu and Xubuntu. Long time Windows user here.
[12:29] <spimort> how*
[12:29] <JenniTheOwl> id suggest duel booting to start then ICX
[12:29] <JenniTheOwl> :)
[12:29] <amerikanski> I use both :)
[12:29] <spimort> no body can answer?
[12:30] <JenniTheOwl> windows is like...my wow box
[12:30] <JenniTheOwl> XD
[12:30] <amerikanski> windows is good xD
[12:30] <amerikanski> everything works in windows
[12:30] <ICXCNIKA> Jenni: I plan on dual booting. Just have to figure out if I am going to use Xubuntu or Kubuntu with Windows.
[12:30] <elkang> spimort: did u mount it already? or wanna know how to mount?
[12:31] <ICXCNIKA> Well my problem with Windows amerikanski is that I often times cannot choose which programs I'd like /not/ to have. Such as Microsoft IE.
[12:31] <spimort> elkang ... i dont know how to mount
[12:31] <amerikanski> actually I want to know too
[12:31] <KaTet> spimort: normally it/they appear under /media
[12:31] <elkang> ok you know how to work in console? spimort
[12:31] <BluesKaj> amerikanski , luv that suomalainen nick :)
[12:32] <amerikanski> kyll
[12:32] <spimort> elkang ... yes a bit
[12:32] <elkang> ok open console and type sudo fdisk -l
[12:32] <spimort> ok
[12:32] <elkang> and look which is your windows partition
[12:33] <elkang> then type sudo mount /dev/xxx /mnt
[12:33] <elkang> where xxx is e.g. hda1
[12:33] <elkang> ur windows drive
[12:33] <spimort> ok wait ... im juste searh my windowas part
[12:33] <elkang> =)
[12:34] <spimort> the windows part is not in the list
[12:34] <elkang> whoot ... oO
[12:35] <spimort> hummm
[12:35] <elkang> do u have more than one hard drive?
[12:35] <spimort> yes ... 1 for windows and 1 for linux
[12:36] <elkang> ok, do u know which one is first and which second?
[12:36] <spimort> yes
[12:36] <elkang> what output did u get with fdisk -l
[12:36] <elkang> ?
[12:37] <spimort> wait
[12:37] <elkang> yep
[12:37] <spimort> you want all that it right?
[12:38] <elkang> give me all lines which are like that:
[12:38] <elkang> ah cant copy in here oO
[12:38] <elkang> "/dev/sda1   *           1        9728    78140128+   7  HPFS/NTFS"
[12:38] <elkang> ah rthat way^
[12:38] <spimort> ok
[12:38] <spimort> wait
[12:38] <spimort> con we go in pv plz
[12:38] <elkang> ookk