[01:20] <WorkingOnWise> snadge: that is such a useless answer. first of all youre going to get the obligatory "if you don't want to help, shhhhh!"... second. maybe someone will inform you that for such a minor problem, and for the fact that it will likely not happen for a long time, that rather that burn the 45 minutes for for a 45 second solution, I'd ask where there is a pool of knowledge to draw from. Btw, I have used Ubuntu, beta and stable 
[01:23] <snadge> ok fine.. if you look in /boot/grub/menu.lst you'll see an example for a windows entry.. copy that to the relevent section and uncomment it, edit it to point to the right device/partition.. then reboot
[01:24] <LjL> does anybody get quite a few "Warning" from rkhunter on most /bin and /sbin files involved with 1) listing files 2) kernel modules?
[01:25] <nunofgs> Vorbote: I did. I found the thread on the forums that mentioned it. In fact, I just finished uninstalling vmware-server and re-installing, with the any-any-113 update. The module compiles perfectly, vmware-server starts perfectly, but when I try to start a machine, it gives an error that /dev/vmmon doesn't exist (it's there, btw)
[01:26] <Vorbote> nunofgs: hmmm... That sounds like a permissions problem, udev acting up probably. A reboot may help in that case.
[01:26] <nunofgs> Vorbote: hmm, will try. I just chmod'ed vmmon 777 with no change
[01:26] <freezerburn_> I don't seem to have "System>Preferences>Themes" The themes button is missing, anyone know how to get it back in gutsy?
[01:26] <nunofgs> going to reboot
[01:27] <_dan_> freezerburn screenshot
[01:28] <snoip> ikonia... what was the nvidia white / no borders commands?  I had a reboot, didn't save them first...
[01:28] <nunofgs> Vorbote: during the compilation of vmmon, gcc spewed out a few warnings about uninitialized pointers. Do u think maybe something's wrong with the patch?
[01:28] <savvas> freezerburn_: it's appearance now
[01:28] <peol> Hey. Has anyone else experienced weird behaviours (hickups, video playback locks GUI etc) since yesterdays (kernel - and correct me if I'm wrong, alsa) update?
[01:29] <savvas> freezerburn_:  I mean it's under "Appearance"
[01:29] <Vorbote> nunofgs: don't worry about those errors. They are harmless as far as my experience goes.
[01:30] <beerfan> I'm seeing dhcdbd message in my logs about /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 not found. What the heck is that?
[01:31] <WorkingOnWise> snadge: thanks. I have never had a problem with grub, so I never needed to learn about it. Looks fairly straightforward. Gonna reboot now, get windows to fix its partition, then get back into a real OS, and run xp as a virtual machine. I don't figure it deserves a real processor to beat down!
[01:42] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason we don't have APT using torrents or some other form of P2P instead of/in addition to old-fashioned HTTP?
[01:42] <wabiD> is there a way to have my taskbar sort wondiws
[01:43] <ConstyXIV> wabiD: what do you mean by sort?
[01:44] <wabiD> so if i open firefox, then gimp, then a new firefox
[01:44] <wabiD> the second appears next to the first
[01:44] <wabiD> not at the end
[01:50] <ConstyXIV> does anyone else have a splash screen in gnome
[01:50] <ConstyXIV> ?
[01:51] <ConstyXIV> or more accurately, did anyone else not have it and fixed it?
[01:52] <freezerburn_> savvas: thanks!
[01:59] <ConstyXIV> does compiz "just work" in kubuntu gutsy?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> ConstyXIV: no kubuntu will not have compiz enabled by default they are waiting for new kwin in kde4
[02:06] <asomething> Hey all, I'm having a screen resolution issue in gutsy. I'd been using the ati restricted driver with no problem  until logging in today. Now my resolution is stuck at 640x480 with no way to change it in the new screens and graphics gui. Any ideas?
[02:09] <crimsun> asomething: /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have some leads
[02:11] <thompa> i installed this time round with no migration assistant and grub installed
[02:12] <thompa> there was no other way to have a dual xp boot on this vaio , installer would stop with target partitions on desktop
[02:14] <kyja> what startup file should I put modprobe p4_clockmod
[02:14] <crimsun> kyja: /etc/modules
[02:14] <kyja> ok thx
[02:16] <kyja> I dont seem to have that path ! omg
[02:19] <kyja> oh hay !! I found /etc/default/cpufreqd
[02:19] <kyja> I see a line asking for a module name
[02:25] <mon^rch> just wanted to say to all pertinent ppl. nice job on gutsy. great OS!
[02:25] <mohamed_> hello all , after i upgrade from feisty to gutsy i face alot of troubles with my ATI vga card, can anyone help me which driver can work well, i don't need 3D ?
[02:26] <mon^rch> vesa driver works nice
[02:26] <wabiD> you should still get better results from the ati driver if you get it set up nice
[02:26] <wabiD> vesa wont do anything widescreen
[02:26] <mon^rch> oh? hmmm. ty fyi
[02:27] <mohamed_> what is fyi ?
[02:27] <mon^rch> for your information
[02:27] <mon^rch> ;)
[02:27] <mohamed_> :)
[02:27] <mohamed_> thx, i will try vesa and see what will happen
[02:29] <jdrake> Does anyone know how to assign the volume keys a different volume control to control? Currently it controls 'front', when I want to use 'pcm' or 'surround'.
[02:29] <mon^rch> good luck... I screwed my kb trying to map keys :P
[02:30] <crimsun> jdrake: assign the desired mixer elements by using System> Preferences> Sound
[02:31] <jdrake> OH that is great, thanks.
[02:31] <jdrake> Glad I don't have to do any alsa configuring
[02:32] <kyja> ok darn, how can I get cpu scailing to work at startup !!.
[02:32] <kyja> right now I have to do sudo p4_clockmod
[02:33] <jdrake>  kyja, I would enjoy being able to do that by a applet.
[02:33] <kyja> and put a new applet in the menubar because the one it starts up with does not build a switching list
[02:33] <xubean> hey guys, i updated my machine to gutsy beta, and when it restarted, it doesn't start the gdm. i can only see the command prompt. Any help?
[02:33] <_dan_> apt-get install gdm
[02:33] <xubean> but shouldn't that be already installed?
[02:33] <jdrake> xubean: Is 'gdm' in /etc/init.d?
[02:33] <xubean> don't know...
[02:33] <dn> do `etc/init.d/gdm restart` if it is
[02:34] <jdrake> Well, look.
[02:34] <kyja> gdm? is that for me?
[02:34] <xubean> hehe! sorry.. i am in command mode, and i don't know a lot of commands, so i don't really know how to look...
[02:34] <dn> no kyja, xubean
[02:34] <xubean> well... i'll try anyways..
[02:34] <kyja> ah lol k sorry
[02:34] <_dan_> xubean should be, on the other hand gdm should come up right? :O
[02:34] <dn> you probably shouldn't have installed the beta then :p
[02:34] <_dan_> xubean ls /etc/init.d/gdm
[02:35] <_dan_> and that what dn said :P
[02:35] <xubean> ok, restarting the machine, hold up...
[02:35] <kyja> oh but it helps me :)
[02:36] <kyja> I can add modprobe in a file in init.d
[02:36] <jdrake> I installed the beta because this is a new machine that needs newer kernel.
[02:36] <xubean> _dan_ when i type ls /etc/init.d/gdm it lists the same thing in a green font...
[02:36] <_dan_> xubean try as root or with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:36] <dn> sudo etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:36] <_dan_> dn too slow :P
[02:36] <dn> doh
[02:36] <dn> :p
[02:37] <xubean> ok, hold up, right now i tried doing the installing of gdm, may be that was what it was...
[02:37] <xubean> almost done...
[02:38] <heartsblood> how do I change my TTy console font back to what it was in feisty?  The gutsy upgrade made it look really blocky and kinda hard to read
[02:38] <xubean> cool! done my gdm started...
[02:39] <heartsblood> change that, very hard to read
[02:39] <WorkingOnWise> snadge: thanks for the help. after windows fixed the drive, I'm back in Ubuntu. Gonna install play with the desktop effects tonight!
[02:39] <alecwh> I'm loving Gusty 7.10, but I can't enable desktop effects. Can someone help me get them working? I get the error "Desktop effects could not be enabled".
[02:40] <xubean> weird, my machine didn't really get updated!!!
[02:40] <dn> what graphics card alecwh ?
[02:40] <_dan_> xubean in that caste apt-get dist-upgrade is your friend
[02:40] <alecwh> I don't know, dn. I have a Dell Latitude D630. I can find a link if you need.
[02:40] <alecwh> dn: I think maybe integrated graphics.
[02:40] <_dan_> alecwh lspci|grep VGA
[02:41] <dn> that might be a problem
[02:41] <alecwh> dn: 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[02:41] <dn> although i thought you could still use them barebones
[02:41] <_dan_> intel should be capable of aiglx no?
[02:41] <dn> the ubuntu forums have guides on getting compiz working with intel integrated cards i think
[02:41] <alecwh> dn: I've used compiz fusion with Fiesty on this laptop, and it was pretty good.
[02:41] <xubean> _dan_ i did that and it had some problems with kzdata... and then i looked up in forums and somewhere i found out i had to change the timezone and stuff, and i changed it and it seemed to work, but hten i lost my gdm, and i had to do sudo apt-get install gdm
[02:41] <alecwh> dn: Are the guides for gusty?
[02:42] <dn> have you had a look at Restricted Drivers in Administration?
[02:42] <_dan_> xubean apt-get dist-upgrade in console gogo
[02:42] <dn> you'll probably just need to get some better drivers
[02:42] <alecwh> dn: Yes, I only have the wireless card to enabled.
[02:42] <alecwh> be*
[02:42] <xubean> ok, i'll do it again,
[02:42] <dn> is there an option for your card alecwh ?
[02:42] <alecwh> dn: no
[02:42] <_dan_> arent intel opensource driver?
[02:42] <jdrake> Are there any good whiteboard applications available?
[02:43] <alecwh> dn: any ideas?
[02:43] <_dan_> alecwh u may have a chace asking in #compiz-fusion, those guys will help u get compiz to work, if your gfx card is capable
[02:43] <kyja> /etc/init.d/Ascailer    trying that.
[02:43] <alecwh> ok, thanks _dan_.
[02:43] <xubean> _dan_ it says after unpacking about 494MB will be installed, but like i said, i've already been through this... but lets see what happens this time... thanks for the help
[02:43] <_dan_> xubean do it
[02:43] <_dan_> it may broke in the middle
[02:43] <_dan_> and u got a half upgraded system
[02:45] <xubean> _dan_ i am doing it... its installing right now...
[02:47] <alecwh> I have a dell latitude d630, and I think I need to upgrade my drivers to get compiz-fusion to work. Can someone help me upgrade my driver?
[02:49] <DanielTF> guesty is really messed up rite
[02:49] <DanielTF> i have endless updates
[02:49] <DanielTF> i download 200 updates everyday
[02:49] <DanielTF> and then i found out they are the same
[02:49] <IndyGunFreak> DanielTF: you have endless updates, cuz its constantly being updated.
[02:49] <IndyGunFreak> i probaly have about 100 or so every morning
[02:50] <DanielTF> it displays an error message when i install those updates
[02:50] <DanielTF> i just download 100 updates
[02:50] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i've had no pros.
[02:50] <DanielTF> and another 248 now
[02:50] <IndyGunFreak> when i first installed, i had about 30min worth of updating.
[02:50] <DanielTF> and also when i use compiz i dont have borders
[02:51] <alecwh> Hello, I just upgraded to Ubuntu Fiesty, with my Dell Latitude D630. I'm having trouble getting desktop effects to work. When I press enable, it says "Desktop effects could not be enabled".
[02:52] <DanielTF> When compiz is not i dont have window decorations, can someone please help =(
[02:52] <gnomefreak> alecwh: you upgraded to feisty?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> alecwh: feisty support is in #ubuntu
[02:53] <nemesis> i just fresh installed gusty and i need to add a hard drive into /etc/fstab. how do i do that?
[02:53] <gnomefreak> alecwh: you need to install the 3d drivers for your video card and not all cards are able to use desktop-effects (in gutsy)
[02:53] <alecwh> gnomefreak, sorry, I mean gusty.
[02:54] <gnomefreak> alecwh: what card?
[02:54] <alecwh> gnomefreak: I have integrated graphics, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[02:54] <kyja> ok I have got spu scailing working on startup and can be adjusted with applet
[02:54] <kyja> cpu
[02:54] <gnomefreak> alecwh: the 965 will not beable to use compiz
[02:54] <kyja> someone need advice?
[02:54] <alecwh> gnomefreak: Ever?
[02:54] <gnomefreak> alecwh: for gutsy
[02:54] <alecwh> gnomefreak: I used it perfectly in fiesty!
[02:55] <gnomefreak> alecwh: it doesnt have things it needs (cant remember what)
[02:55] <gnomefreak> alecwh: yes i know but its not the same compiz either
[02:55] <alecwh> gnomefreak: So what are my options? Can I custom install compiz-fusion or beryl?
[02:56] <gnomefreak> alecwh: no not really. check with people in #compiz to see if they have a way but you will not beable to use ubuntus
[02:56] <alecwh> gnomefreak: lame. :(
[02:56] <gnomefreak> alecwh: i dont remember the exact reason but the driver lacks something needed
[02:56] <alecwh> ok.
[02:56] <gnomefreak> alecwh: tell intel not us since its their driver thats missing whatever it was that was needed
[02:57] <snoip> I'm back... life is good once again.
[02:58] <snoip> good for me, i mean!
[02:58] <nemesis> i just fresh installed gusty and i need to add a hard drive into /etc/fstab. how do i do that?
[02:58] <snoip> thanks for the assists.
[02:58] <DanielTF> how do i auto mount a partition on start up
[02:59] <kyja> jdrake, would you like help. I can tell you how to get scailing to start on startup and be able to adjust with applet
[03:03] <jdrake> kyja: Would be helpful :p
[03:05] <kyja> ok :)
[03:06] <snoip> quiet all of a sudden...
[03:06] <kyja> jdrake, create a file in /etc/init.d I named mine cpufreq.sh
[03:07] <kyja> jdrake, lines inside... 3 lines #!/bin/sh
[03:07] <kyja> jdrake, modprobe p4_clockmod
[03:07] <jdrake> Does p4_clockmod work with core2duo?
[03:07] <kyja> jdrake, /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector -g conservative
[03:08] <kyja> I am not sure about core2duo I have p4 hyper threading
[03:08] <ppj> a new AWN was just released
[03:08] <kyja> shows up as two cpu;s
[03:08] <ppj> if you guys are into it
[03:09] <prakriti> I am having cpu-scaling issues in gutsy, I had the same problem in feisty and disabled the kernel modules.
[03:09] <prakriti> Is that what I should do here or is there a possible fix?
[03:09] <kyja> jdrake,  do this in termonal cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[03:09] <jdrake> 2000000 1600000 1333000 1067000 800000
[03:10] <kyja> then it probly will work
[03:10] <prakriti> Mine is capped at 700mhz :(
[03:10] <prakriti> 700000 600000
[03:10] <kyja> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[03:10] <jboyd> anybody else have a problem where nm-applet won't connect to networks? i had to use dhclient for wireless
[03:10] <jdrake> userspace powersave ondemand conservative performance
[03:10] <kyja> that will tell you the governers. you might not like conservitive as a default
[03:10] <kyja> in that file
[03:10] <kyja> make sure the file is executable
[03:11] <kyja> then there is one more thing to do
[03:12] <jboyd> also, the latest kernel doesn't boot my machine, says it' can't mount root, but 2.6.20-16-generic works fine, 2.6.22-13 fails
[03:12] <nikin> hy
[03:12] <nikin> i just upgraded to gutsy
[03:12] <nikin> and after the upgrades my drives will not mount
[03:12] <nikin> only /
[03:13] <jboyd> nikin,  same issue on 2.6.22-13 and -12
[03:13] <kyja> add your applet and do in the terminal sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets  and answer yes so you allow access to applet to adjust things
[03:14] <jdrake> kyja: 'CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor'?
[03:14] <kyja> now you type in the terminal sudo modprobe p4_clockmod then p4_clockmod and restart
[03:15] <kyja> yes the little applet for the menubar
[03:15] <jdrake> FATAL: Error inserting p4_clockmod (/lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko): Device or resource busy
[03:15] <kyja> sudo
[03:15] <jdrake> It is sudo
[03:15] <kyja> ooh busy
[03:15] <kyja> perhaps you have it running now
[03:16] <kyja> you add the applet what does it say?
[03:16] <kyja> should not tell you its unsuported
[03:16] <jdrake> I reconfigured the applet, and it works with menu
[03:16] <kyja> awsome :)
[03:17] <jboyd> any ideas why 2.6.22-13 won't mount / ?
[03:17] <jboyd> but 2.6.20 will
[03:17] <jdrake> One other problem I notice in my install is a lot of System menus are missing, like synaptic.
[03:17] <jdrake> 'admin' menus rather
[03:18] <nikin> jboyd: my one mounts /, just nothiung else
[03:18] <jboyd> nikin, yeah, i don't get / mounted ... what fs are you using?
[03:18] <jboyd> nikin,  i'm using ext3
[03:20] <nikin> jboyd: ext3 to
[03:20] <nikin> and if i try to manualy mount /dev/sda5 for instance.. it tels me that it is mounted
[03:20] <kyja> oh oops I put that file in /etc/acpi/start.d
[03:21] <jboyd> nikin, yeah i don't even get that far.
[03:22] <jboyd> fuckin kernel panics
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[03:23] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:25] <bazhang> ugh--latest update borked konqueror
[03:26] <snadge> you mean theres a non borked versino of konqueror?
[03:26] <bazhang> haha
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:28] <bazhang> won't quit either--what's the terminal command to kill an app?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: killall <appname>
[03:29] <hydrogen> bazhang: also... ctrl+alt+escape in kde gives you a nice skull & crossbones to foribly kill an app
[03:31] <jboyd> sweet.
[03:31] <jboyd> got 2.6.22-13 to work without panicing
[03:31] <bazhang> hydrogen: thanks,
[03:31] <jboyd> sudo grub-rebuild
[03:31] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: thanks
[03:32] <jboyd> err
[03:32] <jboyd> dpkg --configure -a
[03:32] <jboyd> then
[03:32] <jboyd> sudo update-grub
[03:32] <jboyd> reboot and it works
[03:33] <bazhang> adept-notifier also won't die--hangs out in top right corner of screen and if you maximize it, then it shrouds the screen in black--will not be killall'd either.
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: yup tell me about it
[03:35] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: konqueror no totally unresponsive--better alternatives than firecrash?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: icefreezer?
[03:36] <bazhang> er firefox
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:36] <bazhang> haha
[03:36] <kevinO> anyone get the 360 controller to work in gutsy yet?
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: firefox works well for me..
[03:39] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: it just seems a bit on the bloaty side compared to konqueror..
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: use dillo then ;)
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> or kazehackse
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> or however that is spelled
[03:40] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: hahahaha
[03:42] <bazhang> konqueror is toast...sad face...
[03:42] <bazhang> time to install firefox
[03:43] <xubean> hey is dan still here? if not, while upgrading to gutsy beta i get this error: "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-plugins_1%3a0.6.0+git20071004-0ubuntu2_i386.deb"
[03:43] <xubean> "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:43] <prakriti> anybody have an issue where cpu scaling on core2duo's caps your proc to 700mhz?
[03:43] <xubean> anybody have any idea about the error?
[03:44] <bazhang> what is ubufox? new package it seems.hmmm
[03:44] <bazhang> ubufox - modifications for ubuntu firefox (default) install
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> prakriti: oh thats useful ;)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: yeah...automatic codec installer and such I think
[03:45] <jboyd> hmm
[03:45] <jboyd> i don't even see ubofox in my apt-cache search resulots
[03:45] <prakriti> it sucks... :(
[03:45] <prakriti> I can disable the kernel modules on boot and it will run full speed.
[03:45] <jboyd> ah it's already installed.
[03:46] <bazhang> ugh ubufox instalsl ms-ooxml-interoperability-plugin
[03:46] <bazhang> just kidding
[03:46] <bazhang> installs even
[03:47] <tinin> Hi, how is kubuntu gutsy going? Has it still big bugs?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> tinin: some...
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> tinin: not really bad
[03:47] <tinin> like?
[03:47] <tinin> please, I'm interested
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> tinin: bazhangs konqueror has just gone AWOL
[03:48] <VousDeux> that's not an easy question to answer...it really depends a lot on the hardware
[03:49] <tinin> I need a newer kernel to play with the wifi usb stick
[03:49] <|neon|> tinin: i'm using kubuntu gutsy with the latest updates on MY QUAD CORE EVERY DAY USE WITH  O REAL ISSUES
[03:49] <jboyd> my nm-applet is broken =\
[03:49] <tinin> so I'm awaiting
[03:49] <kyja> it has big bugs and I can not lie
[03:50] <kyja> hehe that would me jammin tune
[03:50] <Aishiko> I agree a couple big issues which I'm hoping will be taken care of in the next 11 days
[03:50] <tinin> Aishiko what "big issues"
[03:51] <Aishiko> tinin: I get a show stopper on a regular baisis everyother weekend
[03:51] <tinin> I need a stable system
[03:51] <Dr_willis> then you dont want to mess with beta software
[03:51] <|neon|> compiz acts funny sometimes abd k9copy acts up if i'm runnning vmware at the same time besides that my systems is pretty rock solid
[03:52] <Aishiko> tinin: if it's a beta by defienation it's unstable
[03:52] <Aishiko> tinin: wait 11 days and then upgrade.
[03:52] <Dr_willis> wait for Ubuntu Gutsy Service Pack 1 :()
[03:52] <Vorbote> Aishiko: if you want a stable system you should use a stable distribution (such as a "gold" release or an enterprise distro such as an Ubuntu LTS, Novell Server or RHEL...)
[03:52] <kyja> service pack lmao
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: when is that? two days later?
[03:53] <Vorbote> That's what we get every six months. The Ubuntu service pack.
[03:54] <tinin> And so what about compiz for kubuntu users? I'm beeing jealous of gnome users
[03:54] <kyja> ah yes psyco animal names
[03:54] <Dr_willis> tinin,  thats very much a work in progress
[03:54] <kyja> I love ubuntu
[03:54] <Aishiko> Vorbote: was I complaining no I was stating a fact gees look at my response to tinin.  gees listen don't lecture to those that are giving advice similar to yours to others.
[03:54] <Dr_willis> tinin,  i got it working.. but it has issues. :)
[03:54] <Dr_willis> compiz under gnome has issues as well.
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> tinin: works very well here, not automatic, but just one command :)
[03:54] <|neon|> tinin: compiz is running 999% fine for me with all the bell and whistles
[03:54] <|neon|> 99%
[03:54] <|neon|> on kubuntu
[03:55] <tinin> and no errros with the taskbar or the pager?
[03:55] <bazhang> huh? installed firefox and no icon--need to launch it from the console?
[03:55] <|neon|> avant windows navigator crashes every now and then , none for me
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: hummm odd.
[03:55] <tinin> *errors
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> tinin: not that I have found
[03:56] <tinin> I guess I'll try to upgrade these days
[03:56] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: very smooth though (when launched from Konsole..haha).
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:57] <|neon|> i am using the restrictes drivers for my 8800 gts and so far is great even after upgrading kernels
[03:57] <bazhang> yay!
[03:58] <|neon|> i ran the new suse 10.3 on a virtual machine its ook but i will stick to kubuntu
[03:58] <|neon|> the only thing i would like to do is to get dmraid working other than that i'm happy
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: its not burning/freezing is it?
[04:00] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: not so far--give me a few, I'll make it happen..haha
[04:00] <dn> how do you check the version of an installed software thorugh apt-get?
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> dn: apt-cache policy <package)
[04:00] <Vorbote> dn: apt-cache policy <package>
[04:01] <Vorbote> dn: or apt-cache show <package> for full information.
[04:20] <jcsmith> hi everyone, i recently upgraded to the gutsey beta, since doing so, udevd is eating up approximately 50% of my cpu time, a dmesg shows the following lines to be repeated at a very rapid rate: [  551.304000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[04:20] <jcsmith> [  551.320000]  device-mapper: table: 254:1: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[04:20] <jcsmith> any ideas?
[04:23] <spasticteapot> I think I've disabled my wireless card. I'm not exactly sure how, or how I might go about reenabling it.
[04:26] <naught101> anyone been getting xine errors?
[04:26] <naught101>   Major opcode of failed request:  141 (XVideo), etc?
[04:29] <kyja> cpu scailing definatlly has made gutsy more stable. laptop does not over clock and power off on me with those power hungry apps.  I limited it from 3,4ghz down to 2.55 and it was a trooper
[04:30] <naught101> kyja: using cpufreq, or powersave?
[04:30] <kyja> spufreq
[04:30] <kyja> cpufreq
[04:30] <kyja> with the p4clock module
[04:31] <spasticteapot> Hmm.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> kyja: you the one complaining about it always shutting down when you were installing packages?
[04:31] <kyja> yeah, it was shutting off on me doing many things
[04:34] <nekostar> naught101 what video u got?
[04:34] <nekostar> intel by chance?
[04:35] <naught101> yeah
[04:35] <naught101> nekostar: why? is it not working currently?
[04:36] <nekostar> blacklisted recently
[04:36] <nekostar> lemme look in logs...
[04:36] <nekostar> ur gma is waht the 3000?
[04:37] <naught101> I don't understand that sentence :(
[04:37] <naught101> gma?
[04:37] <nekostar> which intel one is it
[04:37] <nekostar> gma 3000 / 3100 / x3000 / x3100 ?
[04:37] <naught101> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[04:37] <naught101> that what you mean?
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> nekostar: thats pre-santa rosa there.
[04:39] <nekostar> lspci | grep -i vga
[04:39] <nekostar> do that
[04:41] <naught101> nekostar: it's the one I just pasted
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> nekostar: he just said what his graphics card was...
[04:41] <nekostar> lspci -vn | grep -i vga
[04:41] <naught101> 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2592 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[04:42] <nekostar> yeah
[04:42] <nekostar> 8086
[04:42] <nekostar> ok lemme find the workaround one sec
[04:42] <naught101> nekostar: is it safe to assume that this is likely to be fixed before the 18th?
[04:43] <nekostar> wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[04:43] <nekostar> nope
[04:43] <Nuked> I am curious as to which repositories should be enabled
[04:43] <nekostar> not till EXA is done or something
[04:43] <nekostar> which is gonna be like a year?
[04:44] <nekostar> there is a workaround
[04:44] <nekostar> use that blacklist instructions to unblacklist yourself [skip the blacklisted check] 
[04:44] <naught101> I'm not using compiz-fusion at the moment..
[04:44] <nekostar> then go to #compiz-fusion and do !mplayer
[04:44] <nekostar> go to the last linky and get the libfaac and the mplayer there
[04:44] <Nuked> naught101: neither am I... on feisty I had serious problems with the ati driver
[04:44] <nekostar> and mplayer will work with xv in compiz
[04:45] <nekostar> naught101 i assume the problem that your talking about has to do with the compiz?
[04:45] <naught101> dude, I'm not in compiz
[04:45] <nekostar> or this is happening in metacity?
[04:45] <nekostar> dude im listening
[04:45] <naught101> in kwin
[04:45] <nekostar> ~_~
[04:45] <nekostar> w/e i dont support kde
[04:45] <nekostar> someone else might
[04:45] <naught101> I have compiz installed, but it's not running at the moment
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> naught101: I will... whats the problem..
[04:45] <naught101> yeah, well there's no kubuntu+1 channel...
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> gnome jerks..
[04:46] <naught101> nosrednaekim: video not working
[04:46] <nekostar> nosrednaekim eff u and him
[04:46] <jboyd> hmm
[04:46] <nekostar> its not like im getting payed for this
[04:46] <nekostar> and its not like he was exactly clear
[04:46] <jboyd> azureus-gcj core dumps in gutsy...
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> naught101: what about it is not working.
[04:46] <nekostar> i'm rather surprised its borked
[04:46] <Nuked> nosrednaekim: haha.. gnome jerks
[04:46] <naught101> nekostar: dude, chill out, I don't have a probelm. thanks for helping
[04:46] <nekostar> oh wait
[04:46] <nekostar> what makes u assume i even run gnome?
[04:47] <naught101> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[04:47] <naught101>   Major opcode of failed request:  141 (XVideo)
[04:47] <naught101>   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
[04:47] <naught101>   Serial number of failed request:  2567
[04:47] <naught101>   Current serial number in output stream:  2568
[04:47] <Nuked> naught101: !pastebin
[04:47] <naught101> that's what's happening nosrednaekim
[04:48] <naught101> Nuked: I know, I though it wasn't that long though....
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> naught101: no clue... but one thing is for sure... its not a KDE issue ;)
[04:48] <Nuked> naught101: I didnt realize you were going to stop there... some folks get really touchy about pasting
[04:48] <naught101> yeah. is it possible that just installing compiz-fusion and not running could still screw it up? nekostar?
[04:49] <naught101> thanks nosrednaekim
[04:49] <naught101> true Nuked. no offence taken ;)
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> naught101: possible. try uninstalling it.
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> did it ever work with gutsy?
[04:49] <kevinO> ok i did get the 360 controller working is anyone woul dlike to know :D
[04:49] <Nuked> naught101: isnt compiz-fusion included by default?
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: not with kubuntu
[04:49] <Nuked> aaaah
[04:49] <naught101> Nuked: I dunno, I upgraded from feisty with apt-get, not a CD
[04:50] <Nuked> naught101: I did that and it horribly broke my system
[04:50] <naught101> nosrednaekim: I don't know. I don't think I tried it.
[04:50] <Nuked> so I resorted to a most unconvinient reinstall
[04:50] <naught101> hehe, maybe it broke my xvid
[04:50] <Nuked> inconvinient*
[04:51] <Nuked> a question... the packages in gutsy-proposed... were they supposed to be enabled when dist-upgrading?
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> I don't think so
[04:51] <Nuked> Oh boy..
[04:52] <nosrednaekim> lol... I didn't upgrade.. but I never heard of that
[04:53] <Madpilot> anyone having trouble getting Add/Remove or Synaptic to run on the Livecd?
[04:53] <Nuked> Yeah, my upgrades always seem to fail miserably
[04:53] <Nuked> Madpilot: YES
[04:53] <Madpilot> the CD integrity was clean, but add/remove stalls
[04:53] <Nuked> and so does the installer
[04:53] <kevinO> cat //home/kevin/.xpad360/Makefile
[04:53] <kevinO> oops
[04:54] <Nuked> I had to run the ubuntu live cd installer more than once for it to install gutsy
[04:54] <Madpilot> Nuked: know if there's been a bug filed yet?
[04:54] <Nuked> actually I hadn't looked... I just finished my install
[04:56] <Nuked> Madpilot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/33097
[04:56] <Nuked> ?
[04:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 33097 in synaptic "update-manager hangs for 10 seconds" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[04:56] <LiMaO> everyone's sleeping already?
[04:56] <bazhang> nooo
[04:57] <Dr_willis> ZZzzzz....
[04:57] <LiMaO> i'm frustrated with lack of java for 64bit gutsy =/
[04:57] <erichj> moo
[04:57] <LiMaO> using 32bit firefox didn't work
[04:57] <Madpilot> Nuked: not the same issue, I think - I can't get add/remove or synaptic to start at all
[04:57] <bazhang> wowza
[04:58] <LiMaO> guess i'll have to use virtualbox everytime i want to access my homebanking
[04:59] <Nuked> Madpilot: not a big fan of apt-get?
[04:59] <usser> LiMaO: java 1.4 works
[04:59] <usser> LiMaO: its buggy though
[04:59] <Madpilot> Nuked: that doesn't work either currently
[05:00] <Nuked> Madpilot: what architecture?
[05:00] <Madpilot> Nuked: 32bit
[05:00] <LiMaO> usser: it doesn't. at least not on my bank's site =/
[05:00] <Nuked> ah, Im running the 64 bit
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:00] <LiMaO> i guess everyone's running 64bit nowadays
[05:00] <Madpilot> meh, sorry for miniflood
[05:00] <jboyd> Madpilot, sudo?
[05:01] <usser> LiMaO: 1.4 is old so yea, lack of java is really frustrating
[05:01] <Madpilot> ya, "sudo apt-get install"
[05:01] <Dr_willis> LiMaO,  not me.. i dont see much need for it.
[05:01] <jboyd> Madpilot, or do you have synaptics running?
[05:01] <Nuked> jboyd: he cant get it to run at all
[05:01] <Madpilot> jboyd: nothing is running (visibly) that should have a lock on apt
[05:01] <Nuked> brb
[05:02] <jboyd> Madpilot, rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[05:02] <Madpilot> although gnome-system-monitor isn't starting either :|
[05:02] <prakriti> how would one go about disabling cpu-freq?
[05:02] <LiMaO> Dr_willis: it may be placebo, but seems faster for me
[05:02] <jboyd> Madpilot, sudo cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:02] <LiMaO> also for (de)compressing files, and 3d rendering
[05:02] <LiMaO> it's a lot better
[05:02] <alec> im having some trouble. im in 7.10 and i cant add new workspaces. any help please? i have no idea what to do.
[05:03] <Dr_willis> use the compiz settings tool. :)
[05:03] <LiMaO> alec: right click on the small squares on the bottom right side of your screen
[05:03] <Madpilot> jboyd: that returns nothing
[05:03] <LiMaO> then after you go to preferences, just set it up there
[05:03] <Dr_willis> if compiz is enabled.. you must use the compiz tool to set the # of workspacew. not the gnome config tool.
[05:03] <alec> LiMao: i tried that, theres no option. I only get options until the change # in rows.
[05:03] <prakriti> I added these to my blacklist but they still loaded: acpi_cpufreq cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_ondemand freq_table cpufreq_conservative
[05:03] <alec> ah, where in the compiz tool can i find this?
[05:03] <prakriti> does anybody know why ubuntu is still loading them?
[05:03] <LiMaO> alec: don't you have the 'number of columns' option?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> It should be in the menus,  or install.. err.. i forget its name.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> this is going to be Faq #2 i bet for Gutsy
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !find compiz-settings
[05:04] <alec> no, i only have up unti; "show all workspaces in 1 rows"
[05:04] <jboyd> Madpilot, does the lock file exist?
[05:04] <ubotu> Package/file compiz-settings does not exist in gutsy
[05:04] <Madpilot> jboyd: not sure - one sec
[05:05] <Madpilot> jboyd: yes, it does
[05:05] <alec> im the compizconfig settings manager, cant find anything in all these panes relating to number of workspaces.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[05:05] <Dr_willis> should be in the first 'tab/item' i recall
[05:05] <jboyd> Madpilot, can you run apt-get clean?
[05:06] <jboyd> Madpilot, also try rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction
[05:06] <jboyd> rm /var/lib/rpm/__db*
[05:06] <jboyd> rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[05:06] <Dr_willis> General --> desktop size
[05:06] <alec> found it, thanks!
[05:06] <Dr_willis> note that compiz can be Pick about those #'s
[05:06] <Dr_willis> be picky
[05:06] <alec> ah
[05:06] <Madpilot> rm: cannot remove `/var/lock/rpm/transaction': No such file or directory
[05:07] <rfcompte> does anybody know anything about problems with the kernel upgrade from last week?
[05:07] <alec> ugh, this bluetooth is terrible, it doesnt capture half of my key input.
[05:07] <jboyd> Madpilot, try all 3, you'll probably just have the last one
[05:07] <LiMaO> brb, setting up stuff
[05:08] <rfcompte> anyone?
[05:08] <bazhang> fine here.
[05:09] <Madpilot> jboyd: last rm worked, but apt-get still complains about something else having a lock...
[05:09] <majnoon> ok only having ONE probblem here how shut down crash reporting (it crashes me puter)
[05:09] <jboyd> Madpilot, what's the error message again?
[05:09] <Nuked> Oddly enough... I have no desktop icons on either ubuntu or kubuntu
[05:10] <jboyd> Madpilot, try rm -rf /root/.synaptic
[05:10] <majnoon> ok only having ONLY ONE probblem here how shut down crash reporting (it crashes me puter)
[05:10] <Madpilot> rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `/root/.synaptic': Permission denied
[05:10] <jboyd> heh crash reporting crashes your computer ...
[05:10] <jboyd> that's more than one problem
[05:10] <jboyd> Madpilot, sudo rm -rf /root/.synaptic
[05:10] <Madpilot> duh, of course
[05:11] <Nuked> majnoon: you dist upgraded didnt you
[05:11] <Madpilot> jboyd: still locked
[05:11] <jboyd> Madpilot, hmm ... hold
[05:11] <majnoon> i can USUALLY fix the OTHER problems ,and Nuked YUP
[05:11] <jboyd> Madpilot, automatic update manager running?
[05:11] <Nuked> majnoon did you enable the gutsy-proposed repo?
[05:12] <jboyd> Madpilot, ps auxww | grep automatic-update-manager
[05:12] <majnoon> i THINK so
[05:12] <Madpilot> jboyd: no results, so nope.
[05:12] <majnoon> Nuked, the rest stuff works ALMOST perfectly
[05:12] <jboyd> actually i think it's just update-manager
[05:12] <jboyd> Madpilot, yep, just update-manager
[05:12] <Madpilot> ubuntu   15121  0.0  0.0   2976   752 pts/1    R+   03:12   0:00 grep update-manager
[05:13] <Nuked> majnoon: but you still notice that the menu and other stuff have considerable lag when you click on them to the time they are rendered
[05:13] <Madpilot> there the bastard is. how come there isn't an  icon on my notification area?
[05:13] <jboyd> Madpilot, hmm wtf.
[05:13] <majnoon> no
[05:13] <majnoon> it actually FASTER Nuked
[05:13] <jboyd> Madpilot, no, that's not it, that's you looking for it i think
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, can you run synaptic?
[05:14] <Nuked> majnoon I would get your exact problem... and only when using something gtk or gnome based
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, or is it just apt-get that fails
[05:14] <jboyd> ...
[05:14] <Nuked> kde stuff works ok
[05:14] <majnoon> it do it in KDE too
[05:14] <Madpilot> jboyd: no, it won't start - neither will add/remove
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, frustrating.
[05:14] <Nuked> majnoon: I know but it takes longer for the crash to happen on kde for whatever reason
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, something is running that's using it, did you just install gutsy?
[05:15] <rfcompte> hey guys anyone is using the last gutsy kernel (2.6.22-13)?
[05:15] <Nuked> rfcompte: yes
[05:15] <clusty> was curious if it were possible to have 3d acceleration for 2 video cards at the same time - laptop has both intel and nvidia cards
[05:15] <Madpilot> jboyd: not installed at all - just running the LiveCD
[05:15] <WGGMk> ok, trying to setup a samba server.. but i deleted the /etc/samba/smb.conf & /etc/samba/smbusers... now I reinstalled and samba daemons fail to start
[05:15] <jboyd> Madpilot, wait you're trying to update the live cd?
[05:15] <majnoon> i was wondering when it official how do change ??
[05:15] <Madpilot> jboyd: no, I'm trying to install something while on the LveCD
[05:15] <rfcompte> Nuked: do you know of someone having problems with it?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> !find samba.conf
[05:16] <ubotu> File samba.conf found in logwatch
[05:16] <Dr_willis> figure that out. :) heh - remove --purge and reinstall logwatch perhaps?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !find smbusers
[05:16] <jboyd> Madpilot, sorry, i haven't fucked with the livecds .. hmm
[05:16] <ubotu> Package/file smbusers does not exist in gutsy
[05:17] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: lol thanks again
[05:17] <Madpilot> jboyd: first time I've ever had serious issues w/ LiveCDs, even pre-release ones
[05:17] <Nuked> how do I get gutsy to read/write ntfs?
[05:17] <WGGMk> Nuked: it should be built in
[05:17] <jboyd> Madpilot, i didn't even realize you could run apt-get from the livecd
[05:17] <hydrogen> !ntfs3g | nuked
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <hydrogen> !ntfs-3g | nuked
[05:17] <ubotu> nuked: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:17] <majnoon> Nuked, no recomend ntfs r/w
[05:17] <Madpilot> jboyd: of course you can, it's a full instance of Ubuntu, just temporary
[05:17] <jboyd> Madpilot, true.
[05:17] <george__> I have uses gentoo for about 5 years, but I am new to ubuntu. xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.195 has huge problems how can I downgrade to 194 that I was using yesterday
[05:18] <jboyd> Madpilot, well, you'd think so atleast :)
[05:18] <Nuked> majnoon: why not?
[05:18] <majnoon> it POSSIBLE but no recommend
[05:18] <Madpilot> jboyd: no, I've done it on previous livecds, it used to work...
[05:18] <majnoon> M$ still hides settings etc.
[05:18] <jboyd> i mount my ntfs as rw, probably a bad idea though.
[05:18] <jboyd> my windows install is fubar'd anyways, imagine that.
[05:19] <jboyd> wireless drops itself every half hour or so and requires reboot to come back
[05:19] <jboyd> retarded.
[05:19] <majnoon> if going to dual boot i recomend a seperate fat32 partition for sharing
[05:19] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: went to remove logwatch and its not installed.. suggestions?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> learn to backup config files in the future - befor deleting them. :)
[05:19] <jboyd> majnoon, or just mount ext3 from windows
[05:20] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,   try installing logwatch?
[05:20] <george__> Does anyone have any ideas for me
[05:20] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  or find some other samba.config example and use it.
[05:20] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: aight, thanks for the info.. sorry for the lack of experience.. but we gotta learn somehow
[05:20] <Dr_willis> what was the other file?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> I dont even have a /etc/samba/smbusers
[05:21] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: smbuser's.. was following a tutorial to get samba up and running locally for now.. and it said to create that file
[05:21] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: you have any good articles? or references you can toss at me?
[05:21] <jboyd> WGGMk, accept that smb.conf, that's the default.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> To get it running.. i normally just install the samba package. and edit the smb.conf file..  takes all of 2 min.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[05:22] <ubotu> samba-doc: Samba documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.26a-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 6816 kB, installed size 14752 kB
[05:22] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: is it just local for you? or you accept external connections too?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> my whole lan can get to  the machine.. if thats what you mean.
[05:22] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: and outside your lan? say perhaps me for example?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> edit smb.conf, enable home shares. make them writeable..
[05:23] <Dr_willis> you DONT DONT DONT use samba over the internet.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:23] <Dr_willis> shall i say dont more
[05:23] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: lol... would about samba with vlan?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> unless of course ya do ssh tunneling or somthing like that.. i guess
[05:23] <Dr_willis> which i never used.. so cant help ya there.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> ssh would be much safer and proiberly easier
[05:23] <WGGMk> ok
[05:24] <WGGMk> i dont get it though.. sudo apt-get remove --purge should dump smb.conf files?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> dump? you mean delete?
[05:24] <WGGMk> yea..
[05:25] <WGGMk> as in since there is no file when reinstalling it should create this file again.. or am i wrong?
[05:25] <WGGMk> that was my intent when i rm -Rf the file and remove --purge then installed again
[05:26] <Dr_willis> You are thinking in windows terms. :)
[05:26] <WGGMk> seems to be so
[05:26] <Dr_willis> you just purging the package should of removed the configs.. UNLESS they were 'changed' I belive
[05:26] <WGGMk> they were
[05:26] <Madpilot>  --purge does remove configs too, afaik
[05:26] <Dr_willis> but i do NOt think the samba config file is part of the samba package.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> could be --purge may remove them depending on the package. never tested it.
[05:27] <WGGMk> well that would imply everyone has the config file by default cause i didnt create it
[05:27] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  correct./ theres is a /etc/samba/stuff on a clean install i noticed.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> not sure what package it came from however.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> thats with out samba package being installed.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> not sure why its there. :) but guess somthing needed it.
[05:28] <WGGMk> grrr...
[05:28] <Dr_willis> !info apt-file
[05:28] <ubotu> apt-file: APT package searching utility -- command-line interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.8.2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 100 kB
[05:29] <WGGMk> find out where smb.conf is or where it came from?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Its in /etc/samba/ :)  i know that much
[05:29] <Dr_willis> lets look at  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ also
[05:29] <alec> hey, im on a macbook pro with 7.10 beta and im getting weird/crackly-ish sound (just tried playing some music). any help?
[05:30] <WGGMk> sorry for being a n00b.. a ~ after a file name is in use right? like smb.conf~
[05:30] <Dr_willis> usr/share/samba/smb.conf				    net/samba-common
[05:30] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  thats a 'old' backup from vi or some other editor. :)
[05:31] <Dr_willis> not 'in use'
[05:31] <WGGMk> ok.. sorry
[05:31] <majnoon> i was wondering when it official how do change ??
[05:31] <alec> any help with the crappy sound im getting? :P
[05:32] <majnoon> jboyd, i no recomend ext3 from windows either same thing M$ foobars EVEYTHING
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  i cant seem to find where /etc/samba/smb.conf comes from
[05:32] <LiMaO> alec, are you using alsa? which apps are giving you crappy sound output?
[05:32] <jscinoz> hey guys, im packaging a few games as debs, what is the correct location for the game data, /usr/share/games or /usr/lib/games?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> it has examples in other packages.. but not the original
[05:33] <naught101> anyone here running kubuntu
[05:33] <naught101> ?
[05:33] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: i found smb.conf at /usr/share/samba/ looks pretty auto gen'ed.. so i copied it to /etc/samba/ and its starting now.. appreciate the help
[05:33] <alec> sound is much worse than os x, rhythmbox was giving the worst.
[05:33] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: now i just have to figure out what im doing lol.. (god im so new at this)
[05:33] <LiMaO> alec: have you tried xmms for mp3 playback? tell me how it sounds to you
[05:33] <alec> right now im playing it in totem but it sounds faded.
[05:33] <alec> ill try it out
[05:34] <tritium> Dr_willis: the installation of samba-common creates it
[05:35] <alec> xmms says "please check that your soundcard is configured properly" and crap
[05:35] <Dr_willis> tritium,  yea. that was my thinking also. :)
[05:35] <alec> got XMMS to play, nevermind, changed to ALSA
[05:35] <alec> still sounds like crap
[05:35] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: would I have to set the interface to a local IP from the router.. for just my lan to access it?
[05:36] <tritium> Dr_willis: you can verify by looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, at the samba-common scripts
[05:36] <alec> turned on the EQ, its alright.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  ive never had to mess with that setting. You got more then one ip?
[05:36] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: not more then one external.. just more then 1 node on the router
[05:37] <tritium> Dr_willis: e.g., the .postinst
[05:39] <Dr_willis> tritium,  ok. :) i trust ya man.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> so to 'recreate' the default. he would purge/reinstall the samba-common package.
[05:40] <WorkingOnWise> is there a way to "recover" a synaptics session? I was in the middle of downloading a bunch of pkgs and the video freaked out. it is known problem with the nvidia drivers, with an easy workaround. There are a bunch or pkgs on my drive now that have not been installed. how can I get apt-get or synaptics to finish the job?
[05:40] <Konam> hey, i'm having problems with the pidgin's plugins
[05:41] <tritium> Dr_willis: that's one way
[05:41] <_lemsx1_> WorkingOnWise: just do: apt-get -f install
[05:41] <Konam> when i enable one of them and restart pidgin it doesn't remember the plugins i've enabled....
[05:42] <WorkingOnWise> lol.....as in "finish"? sweet!
[05:43] <LiMaO> vbox has some problems with usb on gutsy
[05:44] <_lemsx1_> Konam: permissions are wrong for the files under ~/.purple ?
[05:44] <_lemsx1_> Konam: sudo chown -R $USER ~/.purple
[05:44] <_lemsx1_> Konam: where $USER is your username of course
[05:44] <Konam> _lemsx1_ but how could that happen, is the default pidgin installation
[05:44] <Konam> ??
[05:45] <_lemsx1_> Konam: dunno. just taking wild guesses
[05:46] <Konam> _lemsx1_ it didn't work :(
[05:46] <_lemsx1_> Konam: did you try launching pidgin from the command line using --debug ?
[05:46] <kb3llm> i just installed 7.10 beta in QEMU and theres no toolbar at the top. Any clues?
[05:47] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: perhaps compiz?
[05:47] <LiMaO> just for curiosity, what irc client do you people use?
[05:47] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: ??
[05:47] <_lemsx1_> LiMaO: /me likes Pidgin
[05:47] <Konam> LiMaO Xchat
[05:47] <LiMaO> kb3llm: try right clicking where it should be. it may appear
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: exactly. follow LiMaO's advice
[05:48] <LiMaO> it happens with my bottom panel
[05:48] <kb3llm> LiMaO: didn't work..
[05:48] <Dr_willis> same here
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: compiz is enabled by default. it might be doing some stupidity to your panels
[05:48] <Dr_willis> :) no panel till i click
[05:48] <LiMaO> i really hope this minor stuff gets fixed in the final release heh
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> Dr_willis: yep. it happened to me earlier
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> LiMaO: i just disabled compiz ;-)
[05:49] <Cobain> uhg i clicked cancel real quick on a message i thought was from evolution and it was from the gusty install. it broke it :(
[05:49] <Cobain> http://pastebin.com/m2a53af62
[05:49] <_lemsx1_> switching users does not work with compiz
[05:49] <kb3llm> how do i disable it?
[05:49] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: appearnace control panel
[05:49] <kb3llm> is that a qemu setting, or ubuntu?
[05:49] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: in ubuntu? I cant get there... I dont have a toolbar.
[05:49] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: desktop effects
[05:50] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: i cant get there
[05:50] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: yes you can. that's just a command
[05:50] <kb3llm> ohh
[05:50] <Cobain> anyone have any idea on how to fix it?
[05:50] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: try: metacity --replace &
[05:50] <secret901> I installed kubuntu-desktop in 7.4 and removed it.  I just upgraded to ubuntu 7.10, and now I'm having trouble running some applications
[05:50] <secret901> it keeps thinking that I'm using kde
[05:50] <Konam> where is the wizard to set the compiz effects that you want?
[05:51] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: i'm in q kju, on mac os x, how do i get to a terminal?
[05:51] <secret901> konam: preferences->appearance
[05:51] <Konam> and no the 'normal' 'extras' 'custom' one, it doesnt work
[05:51] <LiMaO> sometimes some weird stuff happens around here. just like now, i was browsing my folders with nautilus and all of a sudden, i get a message saying 'the folder contents could not be displayed'
[05:51] <Cobain> im missing basically all libs
[05:51] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: in ubuntu (on q kju)
[05:51] <Konam> secret901 i'm referring to the one that we had in feisty
[05:51] <Cobain> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
[05:51] <Cobain>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[05:51] <Cobain> i keep getting that no matter what i do
[05:51] <Dr_willis> kb3llm, in OS-X theres a programs or somtning direcory that has a terminal icon i recall
[05:51] <secret901> anyone know how to get rid of all traces of kde?
[05:52] <LiMaO> nautilus is freezing a lot. have to kill its processes many times a day
[05:52] <secret901> after a botched kubuntu-desktop install?
[05:52] <riotkittie> there isnt a wizard. you can install compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:52] <kb3llm> Dr_willis: i mean in os x, but in the ubuntu emulation\
[05:52] <kb3llm> i have no way to get to a terminal in ubuntu, because i have no toolbar
[05:52] <Dr_willis> kb3llm,  you now have me totally confused..
[05:52] <riotkittie> kb3llm: alt + f2
[05:52] <Dr_willis> alt-f2  run xterm
[05:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> if thts working
[05:52] <_lemsx1_> secret901: how about renameing your $HOME and starting with a blank directory ;-)
[05:53] <secret901> I'm trying to run zsnes but it's having trouble accessing some files in the kde directory
[05:53] <kb3llm> alt+f2 does nothing
[05:53] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: right click on the desktop and create a new launcher with "gnome-terminal" as the command
[05:53] <secret901> it didn't have problems in Edgy
[05:53] <secret901> but now having problems in Gutsy
[05:53] <LiMaO> oh, btw, some (probably) basic question to which i don't know the answer: i was browsing a video folder of mine and as i didn't have all the codecs installed at that time, i don't have nice preview thumbnails, just plain icons. now that i have the codecs, every other video folder i open loads the videos and create thumbnails, except for that 1st one, which still shows the icons. how do i fix it?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> installing zsnes now.
[05:54] <secret901> ***Dr_willis: it says unable to poll /dev/input0...
[05:54] <Cobain> i cant figure out why tzdata wont configure
[05:54] <LiMaO> no zsnes for 64bit =/
[05:55] <Madpilot> what is the package name for Add/Remove Apps?
[05:55] <secret901> it's unable to access the file .kde/socket-dell
[05:56] <Dr_willis> secret901,  its working here.
[05:56] <secret901> Dr_willis: probably because you have a clean install...
[05:56] <secret901> I had a botched install of kubuntu-desktop that probably is leaving some traces
[05:56] <Dr_willis> secret901,  perhaps. :) thats why i do clean installs
[05:56] <Dr_willis> it does say  Unable to poll /dev/input/event1
[05:56] <heguru> Madpilot: gnome-app-install
[05:57] <Dr_willis> its scanning for joysticks
[05:57] <nekostar> WHAT
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i dont see what kubuntu-desktop woul dhave to do with zsnes at all. :)
[05:58] <nekostar> eh
[05:58] <secret901> Dr_willis: me neither...for some reason it's unable to find a file in the .kde subdirectory
[05:58] <Madpilot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/150434  <-- anyone else with something similar?
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150434 in synaptic "synaptic/apt-get/Add/Remove errors on Gutsy Beta LiveCD" [Undecided,New] 
[05:58] <fulat2k> hi folks, what's the best way to install libdecss in gg?
[05:58] <secret901> Dr_willis: the file is named socket-dell
[05:59] <MrMazda> Is anyone not getting dbootstrap failure while installing base packages on gutsy beta2 i386? This happens to me on both network and CD installs. an error was returned while trying to install the initramfs-tools package onto the target system happens every time
[06:00] <Dr_willis> secret901,  that sounds like some X 'socket' thang. :)  lets see what i got
[06:00] <secret901> Dr_willis: when I upgraded to Gutsy, it asked me to input my user info again
[06:00] <LiMaO> no one knows the answer to my video preview thumbnails question?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> I got a  socket-MythBox
[06:00] <Dr_willis> seems theres some  arts sound server settings/files in there
[06:00] <secret901> Dr_willis: maybe this new user doesn't have permission to access the old directories?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> could just delete the socket-whatever dir.
[06:01] <Madpilot> Has Gnome's workspace-switcher been crippled so you can't change the # of desktops you have?
[06:01] <secret901> Dr_willis: it shouldn't ask me to register a new user when I upgrade, should it?
[06:01] <riotkittie> Madpilot: no. go to System Menu > Appearance
[06:01] <Dr_willis> try zsnes  -ds    to  Disable sound output
[06:01] <riotkittie> you have to change it on one of the tabs there
[06:01] <Dr_willis> secret901,  no idea there. I never do upgrades.
[06:01] <secret901> Dr_willis: then how do you retain your settings?
[06:01] <riotkittie> System > Preferences > Appearance, rather. which is ridiculous. but :x
[06:02] <Dr_willis> secret901,  i keep /home on its own partition. :)
[06:02] <Dr_willis> then i edit fstab to mount it after i get installed.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> actually /home is on its own hd. :)
[06:02] <Madpilot> riotkittie: where in Appearances? Lots of theme stuff there, can't see anything on increasing the # of virtual desktops
[06:03] <Madpilot> used to be set by right-click->Prefs on the switcher itself
[06:03] <riotkittie> Madpilot: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  its in the compiz config thing. general swettings.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> its NOT in the switcher - Unless ya got compiz disalbed. (i think)
[06:03] <Madpilot> riotkittie: this is a default gutsy livecd - is that not running by default?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> this is getting to be such a faq. :) heh ..
[06:04] <riotkittie> Madpilot: I'm not sure.
[06:04] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: so Gutsy ships compiz, but doesn't have all the tools to configure it installed by default?
[06:04] <leli1> Dear all... How can I install specific version of package? for instance: I have kdebase-ubuntu27 but I want to use ubntu26...
[06:04] <riotkittie> brb. my kid is making farm animal sounds
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  the GNOME 'settings manager' has a streamlined down set of settings
[06:05] <Dr_willis> the FULL (complex) tool is in  compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:05] <Dr_willis> if you install it. the gnome 'none/some/fancy' options also have a button to run the full compiz config tool.
[06:05] <prakriti> how do i disable cpu frequency scaling? blacklisting the modules didn't work
[06:06] <Dr_willis> and its in the menus as well
[06:06] <Madpilot> I've never considered "number of virtual desktops" to be a particularly advanced config option :|
[06:06] <prakriti> do i need to do anything to make the blacklist take effect?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  whatever.. tell it to the devs.
[06:06] <secret901> I'm trying sudo cd /home and it's telling that "command not found"
[06:06] <leli1> I'm trying to find out the bug in gutsy in kdebase package and I want to find out the package vesrion where it occurred..
[06:06] <Madpilot> secret901: you never need to use sudo in front of cd
[06:06] <Dr_willis> compiz + gnome is still very much rough at spots. :)
[06:06] <prakriti> lol
[06:07] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: lovely. and we're shipping this by default *why*, exactly?
[06:07] <riotkittie> Madpilot:  to drive people insane, of course
[06:07] <Madpilot> ah, of course. silly me.
[06:07] <secret901> Madpilot: I'm trying to get into a subdirectory named ".kde", but it's telling me "permission denied"
[06:07] <secret901> Madpilot: how do I get in there?
[06:07] <dmb> stupid question, will gutsy use xgl if the card doesn't work with aiglx?
[06:08] <dmb> for compiz-fusion
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  disable compiz then. :)
[06:08] <riotkittie> # of VDs should be on one of the appearance tab, but because my install is "tainted" with ccsm,  i cant tell you which :|
[06:09] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: riotkittie - at least Metacity & sanity are easy to get back...
[06:09] <xid> is this the newb chanel?
[06:09] <Madpilot> secret901: do "ls -la ~/.kde"
[06:09] <Madpilot> w/o the ""
[06:09] <leli1> Does anybody see my messages? just to be sure, that they were sent. :-)
[06:09] <secret901> thanks all, I fixed the problem...the file somehow had limited acess.  So I used chmod
[06:10] <riotkittie> i dont know why they have it turned on by default, or at least implemented in the manner that it is.
[06:10] <jscinoz> is the "View as list" mode of nautilus broken since the last partial upgrade for anyone?
[06:10] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: FAQ #1: Why is compiz so broken yet shipped by default? A. Damifino.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> To get the Full Compiz settings panel "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"  - the Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  Marketing would be my guess.
[06:11] <riotkittie> marketing. will be the downfall of us all. <weep>
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  youve just stumbled upon some of the more trivial issues with it.
[06:11] <kingrayray> Yeah. I use Compiz constantly and never have any problems..
[06:11] <Madpilot> hey, at least compiz works with my ATI vidcard - that I was slightly impressed by. Not even using the restricted drivers currently.
[06:11] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: ooh, have you discoverd really nasty problems? do tell :D
[06:12] <dmb> where can i see the the package list for #ubuntu+1 ?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> lets see.. lately.. vncclient poped up a 'enter password' dialog.. but that input box wouldent take any input...
[06:12] <Dr_willis> panel at bottom shows up only after i click on it. :)
[06:12] <riotkittie> yea, i'll give them that. i tried setting compiz up on feisty. it did not go well.
[06:12] <Dr_willis>  had the no-imput on some other programs as well.
[06:12] <prakriti> no-input was a big issue with java progrmas
[06:12] <prakriti> i think that has been fixed though
[06:13] <Dr_willis> prakriti,  Bingo.. had same issue with frostwire just yesterday
[06:13] <Dr_willis> couldent rember what it was. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> MythTV front end does work with compiz however.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> zsnes worked. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Under Kde/kubuntu - thers a lot of oddities. :)
[06:13] <riotkittie> the only thing i've really run into is invisible panels. oh, and for some reason, my windows fade in and out at random, but i think i turned something stupid on
[06:14] <prakriti> I love the shift switcher, bound it to button6 on my mouse, scrollwheel through windows... <3
[06:14] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  aha.. i know that one.. Theres a "shade/darken windows based on their focus history" - seen that make a window 'shade' when the tab key is hit..
[06:14] <kelly> im new to ubuntu/linux... how do i install a new desktop version after download.
[06:15] <mzuverink> Man, Gusty is a beautiful beast!
[06:15] <riotkittie> kelly: desktop version as in... release? or gnome/kde/xfce/ so on and so forth
[06:15] <prakriti> Does anybody know why it still loads modules even though I blacklisted them?\
[06:15] <prakriti> This is driving me nuts, I hate to have to reroll the image.
[06:15] <prakriti> Not that it is hard I guess.
[06:16] <kelly> i honestly have no idea... my brother put ubuntu on my computer...
[06:16] <MU9214> still no menubar, I'll be ba`ck tomororow
[06:16] <MU9214> tomorrow
[06:16] <prakriti> kelly : burn the cd, put it in the drive, reboot
[06:16] <Cobain> so i got the configure issue resoved by removing and then reinstalling tzdata but now im evidently missing a bunch of packages or something because when x boots i dont get anything except for a wallpaper
[06:16] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  i think 'trailfocus' can cause issues
[06:17] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: dont have that enabled
[06:17] <kelly> yeah... that's the part i don't now how to do .... i don't know what to burn on the cd
[06:17] <gunny> anyone know of a pptp client that can be used without having network-manager installed ? I am using wicd instead of nm for both wireless and wired atm
[06:17] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  heh - it dont seem to be working anyway for ma at this this time
[06:17] <Cobain> what do i need to install to make sure i have the whole desktop package?
[06:18] <riotkittie> oooh maybe its opacify
[06:18] <riotkittie> ah ha!
[06:19] <Madpilot> anyone else on LiveCD? I can use the Appearances widget to turn compiz off, but when I try to turn it back ON Appearances freezes and Compiz doesn't turn on again...
[06:19] <leli1> guys... help needed.. where can I download .deb package of specific version. I tried to find it on packages.ubuntu.com, but failed..
[06:19] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  Hmm.. seems a lot of the plugins are not working for me  right now.. the  ADHD one waint working
[06:19] <mzuverink> Madpilot, I had that prob w/ the live cd too, however once installed it worked fine
[06:19] <riotkittie> i ended up microwaving the live CD :|
[06:19] <hsystem-x> hahaha
[06:20] <Madpilot> riotkittie: that bad? :)
[06:20] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: all the ones i've used are working well for me
[06:20] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  my wife likes the 'zoom' feature
[06:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:20] <hsystem-x> haahah that was funny man.. microwaving the live cd haha
[06:20] <riotkittie> Madpilot: it went great until I was attempting to install. i suppose it didnt like my external eSATA drive
[06:20] <Cobain> i had messed up my gusty install can someone please tell me what i need to install to get a working desktop?
[06:20] <Evanlec> i like the zoom feature with my wireless keyboard/mouse on my bed
[06:20] <Dr_willis> benchmark plugin  = not working either
[06:20] <Cobain> gdm starts but i dont get audio or toolbars
[06:20] <riotkittie> it kept locking up at either 8 or 53%
[06:20] <prakriti> Madpilot : BitchX baby!
[06:21] <Madpilot> mzuverink: so long as it's a LiveCD problem only - no issues on the install, then it's not worth a bug report
[06:21] <dfgas> i messed up my font sizes in the appearence menu, can someone do a screen shot of theirs and send it to me please?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> windows previews = not workign either.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> wobbly windows = is working. :)
[06:21] <hsystem-x> Cobain, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop OR sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <Nuked> I cannot seem to mount my ntfs partition
[06:22] <riotkittie> ohhh so thats how zoom works.
[06:22] <prakriti> great for uhm... pictures
[06:22] <Nuked> and I even tried ntfs-config
[06:22] <Cobain> hsystem-x it says its already installed. if i remove and reinstall it same thing
[06:22] <Nuked> should I forcefully mount it?
[06:22] <prakriti> Nuked : watch your language!
[06:23] <mzuverink> Madpilot, just live cd, installed, works like a chanmp except w/ compiz on when first loads desktop the bottom panel wont appear until I click the desktop and that will or is fixed now according to a conversation last night here
[06:23] <Nuked> prakriti: what are you talking about?
[06:23] <prakriti> jk
[06:23] <Cobain> Nuked talk of rape is not allowed in this channel
[06:23] <Nuked> BUT ITS MY DRIVE!
[06:24] <mzuverink> prakriti, !language
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. seems the settings tool isent setting the settings.. :)
[06:24] <Nuked> Dr_willis:  you dont say... what should I do?
[06:24] <dfgas> there needs to be a default button
[06:24] <Cobain> :( i need a working desktop
[06:24] <Cobain> i feel like im in 1996 again running BitchX
[06:25] <Nuked> Cobain: HA!
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  mounting ntfs? learn the proper way to manually mount the things?
[06:25] <slasher> hey, where can i see the x errors with this bulletproof x?
[06:25] <riotkittie> ooh. scale is nice.
[06:25] <Madpilot> next compiz gripe: is switching workspaces via mousewheel really broken, or is it just me?
[06:25] <dfgas> please, anyone, give me a list of font and font size in the fonts tab in appearence
[06:26] <Nuked> Dr_willis: I can properly mount it... the frontend gave me the command... im just wondering if it can damage the partition or the likes
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  i roll the wheel on the desktp here and it changes
[06:26] <Cobain> i wish i had a desktop to test it on
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  mounting it read only. proberly not..
[06:26] <riotkittie> i can switch via wheel.
[06:26] <Madpilot> dfgas: sans, sans, sans, sans bold, monospace, all 10pt
[06:26] <crdlb> Madpilot, you mean on the pager?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  writing to it.  possibaly.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Wheel on the Pager = Nothing.
[06:26] <dfgas> ty
[06:27] <Cobain> no alt+f2.. no right clicking
[06:27] <Nuked> Dr_willis: I want read/write... a command would be helpful
[06:27] <Cobain> doesnt seem like gnome is starting
[06:27] <Madpilot> Hover over the workspace-switcher, roll the mousewheel - should change desktops. Doesn't seem to in compiz
[06:27] <crdlb> Madpilot, that's because compiz uses viewports
[06:27] <crdlb> that's a bug in the panel
[06:27] <mzuverink> compiz-tray-icon...anyone get that to work?
[06:27] <riotkittie> nope
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  that needs the ntfs-3g stuff I do belive.  and i enble that by running the ntfs-config tool.
[06:27] <Madpilot> crdlb: that's a lousy bug. I use the mousewheel to switch desktops all the time... :|
[06:27] <usser> mzuverink: i gave up on it kept messing my configuration
[06:28] <Nuked> Dr_willis:  and that tool isnt doing the tricl
[06:28] <Nuked> k
[06:28] <DanaG> And the wheel-near-screen-edge seems to be gone.
[06:28] <mzuverink> usser, mine wont even appear
[06:28] <crdlb> Madpilot, well you can on the desktop with the viewport switcher plugin
[06:28] <crdlb> DanaG, it's possible with some tweaking
[06:29] <Madpilot> crdlb: but by default mousewheel-switching is broken. Very uncool.
[06:29] <crdlb> Madpilot, yeah :/
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  it will only change the fstab IF theres a ntfs entry in there to begin with. i do belive
[06:29] <Madpilot> s/Compiz/Crapiz
[06:29] <crdlb> that kind of thing can't happen if compiz is supposed to be a transparent replacement for metacity
[06:29] <Nuked> Dr_willis:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567668
[06:30] <Nuked> apparently I am not the only one with the problem
[06:30] <Nuked> I think I will have to do a clean reboot in windows
[06:30] <Cobain> i guess ill be tryinig kde
[06:30] <Nuked> then try my luck again
[06:31] <Nuked> ill let you know what happens
[06:31] <bazhang> ugh no sound after last upgrade (to video card drivers?)
[06:31] <mzuverink> with compiz set to custom, what must I do to customize it, does not seem to be a way or Im blind
[06:31] <Madpilot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/129152
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129152 in libwnck "cannot set number or name of workspaces from workspace switcher applet" [Medium,Fix released] 
[06:32] <riotkittie> mzuverink: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:32] <Dr_willis> mzuverink,  theres no button that says 'preferances' next to the customize selector?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> if not.. You just asked Faq #1 :)
[06:32] <mzuverink> thank fols
[06:32] <mzuverink> *folks
[06:32] <Dr_willis> To get the Full Compiz settings panel "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"  - the Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:32] <crdlb> Dr_willis, heh :)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> To Set the # of desktops in Gnome Install the compizconfig-settings-manager , then under General -> Desktop Size. (be carefull, some # of desktops dont work well with compiz)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> thers #2 for ya.. for free! :)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> I hear that 5 desktops do not work well.
[06:33] <crdlb> as does almost everyone else using compiz
[06:33] <riotkittie> i didnt have a problem with 5. right now i have three.
[06:34] <Madpilot> On my full install (still Feisty) I run eight
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Default was 2 here it seems
[06:34] <Madpilot> default in gutsy is two
[06:34] <crdlb> Dr_willis, yup hasn't changed
[06:34] <Madpilot> I think it's been two since Edgy
[06:34] <Cobain> uhg this is pissing me off
[06:34] <crdlb> Dr_willis, which one? :)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> the little flippy card one..
[06:35] <riotkittie> i feel ripped off. 32 desktops... and i get like 12?!
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Shift Switcher
[06:35] <Konam> I have one question, my ntfs partition was mounted with write permissions, automatically by gutsy, the ntfs-3g driver is default in gutsy?
[06:35] <crdlb> the "coverflow" one?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Not sure why its called 'shift'
[06:35] <riotkittie> ooh.  thats nice. and very useful.
[06:35] <crdlb> Dr_willis, well it can do both coverflow and flip3d
[06:35] <riotkittie> as opposed to the one in vista ;P
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Konam,   i think it is the default now.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> crdlb,  oh? neer noticed that one.
[06:35] <dfgas> hmmm, wonder if vbox is still gona lock up, haven't used in weeks
[06:35] <crdlb> yup just change switcher mode
[06:35] <Konam> Dr_willis wow, it isn't patent covered? I mean, the whole ntfs thing?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Konam,  aparently not. :)
[06:36] <Dr_willis> we have had vfat read/write for years
[06:37] <LiMaO> has anyone been successful in running google sketchup in gutsy? (via wine)
[06:37] <Dr_willis> It is nifty that videos can still play while Win-Tab (shift switcher)  in copiz.. in their little windows.
[06:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <Dr_willis> Quick Poll. anyone else set their minimize/close/ animations to 'random' so you can see them all by min/maxing a window over and over? :)
[06:39] <Nuked> Dr_willis: clean windows reboot did the trick
[06:39] <crdlb> Dr_willis, I just tried them one-by-one back in the day :)
[06:39] <prakriti> arrgggg
[06:39] <prakriti> blacklist fails me :(
[06:39] <prakriti> or i fail
[06:39] <Dr_willis> prakriti,  this isent 'talk like a pirate day....' :)
[06:39] <Nuked> yarrrrrrg
[06:40] <usser> ahoy matey
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Well time to go Shiver Me Timber! and walk the poopdeck!
[06:40] <Dr_willis> night.
[06:40] <prakriti> :(
[06:40] <usser> hahaha
[06:40] <Madpilot> irritated bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/150443
[06:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150443 in compiz "Compiz in Gutsy Beta: No workspace switching with mousewheel" [Undecided,New] 
[06:40] <Nuked> night
[06:40] <prakriti> I can't get my proc higher that 700mhz :9
[06:40] <prakriti> ubotu : mine works
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mine works - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <prakriti> :(
[06:41] <usser> prakriti: its probably scaling, make your comp do something cpu intense it'll rise
[06:41] <Madpilot> prakriti: ubotu is a bot
[06:41] <prakriti> it is usser
[06:41] <dfgas> anyone use virtualbox on gusty?
[06:41] <prakriti> Madpilot : figured that one out
[06:41] <prakriti> usser : but the scaling is borked iwth my chip
[06:41] <usser> prakriti: it is doing intense stuff?
[06:41] <prakriti> apperendly
[06:41] <Nuked> nay dfgas
[06:42] <Nuked> virtualbox is moste unclean
[06:42] <usser> most unclean :)
[06:42] <usser> lol
[06:42] <dfgas> ?
[06:42] <dfgas> what do you mean?
[06:43] <Nuked> usser: spelt it that way on purpose
[06:43] <usser> dfgas: he means its evil
[06:43] <usser> pure evil
[06:43] <dfgas> no one likes virtualbox?
[06:43] <Nuked> I was kidding dfgas
[06:43] <dfgas> what do you suggest?
[06:43] <dfgas> ahh
[06:43] <prakriti> usser : it thinks my chip's max freq is 700mhz
[06:43] <dfgas> i was having problems with it a few weeks ago. it would just lock up
[06:43] <dfgas> ahh
[06:44] <dfgas> it has mine # 3.04ghz
[06:44] <dfgas> @
[06:44] <prakriti> I can't force it higher, with feisty I eventually had to remove the modules from the boot image
[06:44] <LiMaO> dfgas: i use it and like it
[06:45] <prakriti> I hoped they would fix it with gutsy.
[06:45] <dfgas> are/were you using version 1.5?
[06:45] <LiMaO> dfgas: yes, on gutsy 64bit
[06:45] <LiMaO> and it works perfectly, except for the usb stuff
[06:46] <prakriti> If I install 64bit, will it be a pain to run things like doom3 or other binaries?
[06:46] <prakriti> or impossible?
[06:46] <dfgas> i had problems with 64bit
[06:46] <LiMaO> dfgas: which problems?
[06:46] <dfgas> never tried on this machine, but my amd lapop i did
[06:46] <dfgas> wireless problems
[06:46] <LiMaO> everything works just great in here.. except for that java plugin for firefox, which is inexistant
[06:46] <dfgas> drivers not working right for the wireless
[06:47] <dfgas> i have never used it on this machine
[06:47] <dfgas> pentium d 920 2.8ghz @ 3.04
[06:47] <LiMaO> prakriti: never tried to load doom3 in here
[06:48] <LiMaO> dfgas: and what's wrong with your virtualbox? or nothing at all
[06:49] <dfgas> did you have lock up problems a few weeks ago
[06:49] <DanaG> On 32-bit.  If you have 64-bit, it's out of my field.
[06:49] <dfgas> i use xp home on here
[06:49] <DanaG> I was having the host periodically freezing with nvidia, but I fixed it by installing irqbalance.
[06:50] <LiMaO> dfgas: i used to have it running on a 32bit feisty.. just installed it again today, on this 64bit gutsy
[06:50] <DanaG> I haven't noticed anything broken with Virtualbox 1.5.0, except for freezes on VM resume or on host resume from sleep.
[06:51] <LiMaO> DanaG: usb isn't working correctly if you run vbox on gutsy
[06:51] <DanaG> Oh, and I had high CPU usage on it, until I fixed a separate BSOD this way: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Freidablog.blogspot.com%2F2006%2F05%2Fvirtual-pcs-crashing-with-intelppmsys.html&ei=MrcJR6-xFp2QgAPq-LWpCA&usg=AFQjCNERZS-qOIzPFE0vtRNp9yhR4XTJDg&sig2=F9JZN7QNGNHoqoThxfB9Vg
[06:51] <DanaG> argh, dang googlified links.
[06:52] <LiMaO> gotta sleep now.. see ya all tomorrow
[06:52] <LiMaO> good night everyone
[06:52] <DanaG> Oh, I think you need to add something to fstab.
[06:52] <DanaG> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=46,devmode=664 0 0
[06:52] <dfgas> i use about 24-30% of one core with vbox
[06:53] <DanaG> I was using 100% of one until I disabled IO-APIC and the processor.sys/intelppm.sys drivers.
[06:53] <DanaG> Oh, and don't let the guest install the intel microcode update before you disable those two drivers.
[06:53] <prakriti> how do i regenerate my boot image after deleting modules?
[06:54] <TheRepacker> if you are having freezes with nvidia, there is a known problem with 100.14.11 and 14.19 drivers, you have to go back to the 14.09 drive or one of the 96XX drivers
[06:54] <TheRepacker> bug is 145112
[06:56] <TheRepacker> throttling will only work sometime
[06:57] <FunnyLookinHat> is evince crashing for anyone else whenever you try to open a pdf on gutsy?
[06:57] <dfgas> hmmm
[06:59] <burns1111> PDFs seem to be working for me with Evince (on Gutsy)
[07:01] <DanaG> I'm using 14.19, but I haven't had any freezes lately.
[07:01] <DanaG> Give irqbalance a try.
[07:01] <DanaG> Now the only freezing I get is the bogging down when under heavy I/O load.
[07:05] <srbaker> folks
[07:06] <srbaker> having trouble with my gutsy install
[07:06] <srbaker> . /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore calls /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore
[07:06] <Zoffix> Hi, I am wondering why `man foo` always displays "No manual page for that entry". Even `man kill` displays that. Is there a special package that needs to be installed now?
[07:06] <srbaker> the latter doesn't exist
[07:07] <srbaker> startx works, but gdm doesn't
[07:13] <TheRepacker> I'm running 9636 on the 64 kernel, been over a week with no freezes, but still having pbolems with the generic kernel so I'll give it a trial, because I made the mistake of installing the 19 driver
[07:16] <jack|ass> Is there a fix for Firefox dying randomly when not in 24-bit color mode?
[07:16] <RAOF> jack|ass: Probably to not use flash, I'd guess.
[07:17] <jack|ass> RAOF: is it a flash issue?  even when i removed the flash plugins it continued to do this.
[07:18] <RAOF> jack|ass: Oh, then maybe it isn't a flash issue.  That was just my first guess.
[07:19] <jack|ass> RAOF: flash works in 24-bit color, so i dunno... Problem is my video chipset has very little memory on it and if i run in 24-bit color, i don't get DRI and everything runs like ass. :(
[07:19] <RAOF> Owch.
[07:22] <alecwh> Hello! Is it possible to manually install Compiz-Fusion on Gusty? My desktop-effects won't work (my video card is blacklisted, but it worked in Fiesty with compiz-fusion)
[07:23] <RAOF> alecwh: You can set SKIP_CHECKS to 1, I believe, to get around the blacklist.
[07:23] <alex_mayorga_> Hi, can somebody help with Bug #146706
[07:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[07:23] <alecwh> RAOF, how can I do that? :)
[07:23] <RAOF> However, your card is obviously blakcllisted for a reason, probably because Xv won't work with it :).
[07:23] <prakriti> is there a known issue with cifs?
[07:24] <alecwh> Xv won't work on it.
[07:24] <alecwh> ROAF: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[07:24] <alecwh> ROAF: But my video card worked PERFECTLY with fiesty + compiz-fusion...
[07:25] <RAOF> alecwh: So, you want to create a file ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager.
[07:26] <alecwh> Ok. And ROAF, even though Xv isn't supported, will it still run?
[07:26] <RAOF> alecwh: In that file, you put "SKIP_CHECKS=yes".  And all the compatibility checks are bypassed.
[07:26] <alecwh> ROAF: ~ just means the home folder right?
[07:26] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:26] <prakriti> did cifs change any: retrying with upper case share name
[07:26] <prakriti> mount error 6 = No such device or address
[07:26] <alecwh> Yes to what? :D
[07:26] <prakriti> I can't get any of my shares to mount
[07:27] <prakriti> hrm
[07:27] <RAOF> alecwh: Yes to "~ = $HOME". And to compiz will run, but you'll only get a black window when you try playing video under Compiz and do anything with the window.
[07:27] <prakriti> i think this is my fault
[07:27] <prakriti> nvm
[07:27] <alecwh> ROAF: That sucks. :(
[07:28] <alecwh> ROAF: Does beryl have the same problem?
[07:28] <Madpilot> what is the terminal version of gnome-system-monitor again? Not just top, but the one that shows all running processes
[07:28] <pvh> Madpilot: try "ps aux"
[07:31] <Madpilot> thnx
[07:31] <alecwh> ROAF, do you know if Beryl will work?
[07:31] <Ximal__> hello
[07:32] <Madpilot> WTF? "ps aux | grep synaptic" shows three instances of synaptic running?
[07:32] <RAOF> alecwh: Yes, beryl will have the same problem.
[07:32] <Ximal__> anyone else notice the broken ubuntu.irc server ?
[07:32] <RAOF> alecwh: It's a problem with your graphics card drivers.
[07:32] <Ximal__> ..
[07:32] <alecwh> ROAF: Is there a chance that the problem will be fixed? Can I JUST have the cube?
[07:32] <Ximal__> would someone kick my Ximal and XImal _ alias please
[07:32] <george__> ps aux | grep synaptic
[07:33] <george__> damn
[07:33] <Madpilot> Ximal__: irc.ubuntu.com is just a forward to Freenode
[07:33] <Ximal__> aye i just noticed..
[07:33] <Ximal__> i keep timing out while being forwarded and flung into freenode's mirror irc servers.. lol
[07:34] <pvh> Madpilot: weird
[07:34] <Ximal> finally..
[07:34] <Ximal> well.. Im installing a dual boot onto my laptop
[07:34] <Ximal> Everything but the wireless config is working perfect..
[07:34] <pvh> Ximal: suspend / hibernate?
[07:34] <Ximal> anyone here feel like helping me fix it once the install is done ?
[07:35] <Madpilot> pvh: even stranger, 'sudo killall synaptic' won't kill 'em
[07:35] <RAOF> alecwh: The problem is being fixed now, but is highly experimental.  It may make Hardy, or it may not.  And enabling *any* compiz feature will kill Xv.
[07:35] <pvh> Madpilot: throw a -9 in there
 Mine only has 1 running
[07:35] <pvh> Madpilot: kill actually sends a polite request
[07:35] <alecwh> RAOF: Too bad... damn video drivers... :( Thanks for your help anyway!
[07:36] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, any pointers on Bug #146706
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[07:36] <cdm10> Can I delete the .crash files in /var/crash?
[07:36] <cdm10> Do they ever get autocleared?
[07:36] <Madpilot> pvh: even with -9, ps aux | grep synaptic right after shows synaptic still running
[07:36] <pvh> what's the status?
[07:37] <pvh> Z?
[07:37] <alex_mayorga_> cdm10, are all these reported already?
[07:37] <Madpilot> pvh: S or Ds
[07:37] <Ximal> hmm... my laptop keeps hanging on the install at imprting documents and settings,,,
[07:37] <cdm10> alex_mayorga_: Some of them. Some of them I didn't report because I crashed it the same way twice or something.
[07:37] <pvh> Madpilot: can you kill -9 the individual pids?
[07:38] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Looks like the "nv" driver is broken on your chip.  There's nothing much more you can do, except for installing from the alternate CD and installing the nvidia-glx drivers.
[07:38] <Madpilot> pvh: nope. I get "no process killed" for all three pids
[07:38] <alex_mayorga_> cdm10, I really don't know if they're autocleared
[07:38] <cdm10> alex_mayorga_: Alright, I guess I'll delete them.
[07:39] <pvh> Madpilot: i seem to remember D is a Bad Thing
[07:39] <Ximal> hmm
[07:39] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, so I try to reinstall nvidia-glx* and pray?
[07:39] <Ximal> if it's hanging at importing documents and settings
[07:39] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Reinstall?
[07:39] <pvh> Madpilot: yeah, D is uninterruptable sleep
[07:40] <pvh> Madpilot: waiting on IO, usually
[07:40] <Ximal> is there a way i can go into text install mode to ensure no hanging or crashing ? during install to the laptop.. i can't get it to run install ?
[07:40] <pvh> Madpilot: just out of curiosity, you aren't using a reiser4 partition, are you?
[07:40] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, it wast working just fine before the latest updates, with compiz and all
[07:40] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Ah.  Right, so the bug you linked isn't what you're seeing.
[07:41] <Madpilot> pvh: no partiton at all - this is a livecd
[07:41] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, I saw the rainbow thing at first, but I guess I've done some progress, bulletproof got me back to 800*600
[07:42] <pvh> Madpilot: sounds like something's glitched with CD read to me.
[07:42] <alex_mayorga_> but I'm using vesa now
[07:42] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: So, the bug you've commented on is definitely not your problem (since the live CD doesn't use the nvidia drivers).
[07:42] <pvh> Madpilot: i managed to hang a bunch of processes with D status when i was hacking in the filesystem a few years back
[07:42] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[07:43] <Madpilot> pvh: likely, but this ISO checked clean in md5, and the CD checked clean when I ran the LiveCD's own "Check This CD" bit
[07:43] <pvh> Madpilot: is this reproducable?
[07:43] <HHornblower> anyone have experience with keyboard mapS? I loSt my lowercaSe S key
[07:43] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, do I file other bug?
[07:43] <Madpilot> pvh: no idea. I'm going to restart this computer w/ the same LiveCD in and see what I get
[07:43] <Ximal> wait..
[07:43] <HHornblower> will not reSpond.
[07:43] <Ximal> madpilot
[07:43] <Ximal> what's the issue
[07:43] <Ximal> let me know what it is..
[07:44] <Ximal> i've gone through alot of fixes.. they're fresh in me mind.. might be able to shed light on ya..
[07:44] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, I have 1:1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu3 of it
[07:44] <pvh> Madpilot: that might do the trick. good luck.
[07:44] <Madpilot> Ximal: pvh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/150434
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150434 in synaptic "synaptic/apt-get/Add/Remove errors on Gutsy Beta LiveCD" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[07:45] <Ximal> checking it now
[07:45] <Ximal> hold
[07:46] <pvh> Madpilot: is that your bug?
[07:47] <Madpilot> pvh: yes
[07:48] <pvh> Madpilot: yeah... i'd chalk it up to General Weirdness unless you can reproduce it again, and if so, definitely give a step-by-step account of how
[07:48] <pvh> Madpilot: good luck at any rate, i'm off.
[07:48] <Madpilot> ya. will restart w/ the same livecd, and see what I get
[07:48] <Madpilot> back later
[07:48] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Hm, so it's probable that you're seeing an Xgl problem.  You should be able to remove Xgl, or temporarily disable it (make a ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable file)
[07:48] <Ximal> ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu
[07:48] <Ximal> crud.. he left..
[07:49] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, a touch and reboot?
[07:49] <Ximal> was going to show him how to use a network install to insure all his packages are safely installed..and to do a live boot via network ;)
[07:49] <Ximal> hehe
[07:49] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: A touch and logout.
[07:49] <alex_mayorga_> OK
[07:49] <alex_mayorga_> trying
[07:50] <alka_trash> anyone know a fix for the ATI fglrx hibernation issue?
[07:50] <alka_trash> or konw if there is going to be a fix for gutsy?
[07:52] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, anything I should do after logout?
[07:52] <RAOF> No, just log back in.
[07:53] <RAOF> Oh, this won't do anything if you're using VESA, I suppose :)
[07:53] <alex_mayorga_> ???  No such file or directory
[07:53] <alka_trash> yeah :(
[07:54] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: You probably need to create the ~/.config/xserver-xgl directory first :)
[07:55] <alex_mayorga_> ok, dir created, file touched, then?
[07:55] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Then switch back to nvidia, logout & log back in.
[07:56] <Ximal> would anyone mind explaining something to me please ? I can't get the install of gutsy to finish on my laptop ... I noticed it hangs at the part where it imports documents and settings..
[07:56] <xid> is there a known issue with gutsy hanging during install from livecd?
[07:56] <RAOF> That will see you not using Xgl, which means you'll probably see a different problem, or possibly no problem at all :)
[07:56] <Ximal> it hangs at 88%
[07:56] <alex_mayorga_> logging of
[07:56] <xid> Ximal: I'm getting that same problem
[07:56] <Ximal> is there any way around the importing of documents ?
[07:56] <xid> Ximal: only at 94%
[07:56] <Ximal> i'm install on a laptop Xid ?
[07:56] <Ximal> you ?
[07:56] <xid> Ximal: yes laptop
[07:57] <Ximal> hmm
[07:58] <Ximal> gateway.. one year old.. yours ?
[07:58] <xid> maybe I shouldn't be using Gutsy, it's my first time with Kubuntu
[07:58] <h1st0> Bout to give gutsy another go around hopefully some of the lockups are gone.
[07:58] <Ximal> and are you dual installing.. leaving old windows partition on the hd ?
[07:58] <xid> Ximal: no, I told it to wipe
[07:58] <Ximal> hmmm
[07:58] <xid> Ximal: one partition
[07:58] <Ximal> what process are you on then ?
[07:59] <xid> Ximal: how do I tell?  It just says it's checking for installion files at 94"
[07:59] <xid> 94%
[07:59] <Ximal> ahh
[07:59] <Ximal> well i'm hung at the importing documents .. settings
[07:59] <Ximal> I'm going to go one installation lower and see what it does
[07:59] <Ximal> and see if it notices the wireless adapter
[07:59] <Ximal> that's all i'm worried about really ;)
[07:59] <xid> I accidentally closed the monitor, might have screwed it up thinking it was going to sleep
[07:59] <xid> so maybe that's why
[08:00] <Ximal> nah
[08:00] <Ximal> buntu doesn't have that initially as an option
[08:00] <Ximal> it's something i notice you set up..
[08:00] <Ximal> i haven't closed mine and i've tried 4 times installing
[08:00] <Ximal> brb
[08:00] <riotkittie> i hang at the partitioning, and at the migration using the live cd. i'm not on a laptop. :P
[08:00] <xid> I'm not sure I want to use KDE anyways... I like some of the apps, but I think I might like Gnome too
[08:01] <riotkittie> or at least i did before i turned my external eSATA off :|
[08:01] <Ximal> AHHH
[08:01] <Ximal> i figured it out
[08:01] <Ximal> hahahaha
[08:01] <Ximal> omg hahaha
[08:01] <Ximal> funny..
[08:01] <Ximal> is your laptop amd ?
[08:01] <Ximal> or something regular ?
[08:01] <xid> Ximal: nope Intel
[08:02] <xid> Ximal: you using the wrong build?
[08:02] <Ximal> ok then you need the alternative or x86 architectures
[08:02] <Ximal> i need to download the amd install cd
[08:02] <Ximal> haha
[08:02] <Ximal> no freaking wander !
[08:02] <frostburn> ?
[08:02] <frostburn> Ximal, what processor do you have
[08:02] <whta> how much generally changes between the beta release and the RC?
[08:02] <xid> Ximal: shouldn't it tell you before it starts copying files that it's the wrong architecture?
[08:03] <riotkittie> doesnt the live cd = x86
[08:03] <Ximal> i have a amd processor on my gateway
[08:03] <frostburn> amd = x86
[08:04] <Ximal> hmm..
[08:04] <frostburn> amd64 = either intel 64bit or amd 64 bit
[08:04] <Ximal> it's one of the newer ones..
[08:04] <Ximal> last year model
[08:04] <Ximal> forgot how to check
[08:04] <frostburn> are you on the computer now?
[08:04] <Ximal> maybe i should try the alternative cd ?
[08:04] <Ximal> no
[08:04] <Ximal> i'm using my tower buntu installation
[08:04] <Ximal> the one that worked
[08:04] <Ximal> i keep hanging frost.. at the importing documents..
[08:05] <tekhawk> looks like the last of the updates are just polish now
[08:05] <Ximal> it won't let me go into the installation options and keep it from doing certain things to keep the hang from happening.. but live boot works like a charm except for the wireless
[08:05] <frostburn> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:05] <Ximal> I think it's trying to import my rescue partition settings etc.. which makes it hang
[08:05] <Ximal> do that in terminal ?
[08:06] <frostburn> for the processor info
[08:06] <Ximal> yeah
[08:07] <Ximal> it's AMD Athrlong(tm) 64 Processor
[08:07] <Ximal> so 64 bit
[08:07] <Ximal> right ?
[08:07] <Ximal> says clflushsize 64
[08:07] <Ximal> err model name says
[08:07] <Ximal> model name : Mobile AMD Athlon (tm) 64 Prcoessor 4000+
[08:08] <frostburn> so yes, when you burn the new cd, make sure to burn it slowly
[08:08] <frostburn> and wireless may not work out of the box depending on the chipset
[08:08] <Ximal> i never burn above 2 or 4x
[08:08] <Ximal> i don't care if it works.. as long as the wireless card is noticed..
[08:08] <Ximal> that allows for reconfiguring etc
[08:08] <Cobain> ok how do i burn an iso via cli?
[08:09] <Ximal> even possibly getting ndiswrapper to work etc for it if i have to..
[08:09] <Ximal> being barbaric as wrapper is
[08:09] <Cobain> burn -I blah.iso errors out
[08:11] <Ximal> thanks frost.. u helped out.. going to try it
[08:11] <alecwh> I'm messing around with the login screen, and I'm at "Plain with face browser". I set a really cool background color, but right after I click "Login", it will go to orange (like the human theme) and then go to my background color. Can someone help?
[08:11] <alecwh> It's really ugly.
[08:15] <Ximal> gotta love 600kb a second download speeds from the buntu site ;)
[08:19] <freezerburn> Guys.... Gutsy melts faces!!
[08:20] <Tomcat_> :O
[08:20] <freezerburn> Finally got it running with compiz-fusion and awsome dark theme
[08:20] <freezerburn> awesome
[08:20] <Tomcat_> :-)
[08:21] <freezerburn> only thing that sucked was it took me all weekend to install if a few times and get things right seeing as I'm a noob
[08:22] <Tomcat_> Well, gutsy's not really made for noobs yet. ;)
[08:22] <Tomcat_> But I guess you learned a couple of things in the process. :-)
[08:22] <usser> pfuh
[08:22] <freezerburn> Yeah, guess the only way to learn is getting down and dirty
[08:22] <Myrth[home] > hi, my laptop supports 1024x768 and i'm trying to increase resolution of console mode. in /boot/grub/menu.lst kopt=vga=791 does nothing and if i put in kernel line vga=791 it shows only blinking cursor in 80x25 mode.. what can i do? thanks
[08:23] <Ximal> freexz
[08:23] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : well you can add it to defoptions line and try different color depths ex: 792
[08:23] <Ximal> i haven't used linux is 7+ years and i got it running and up in under 3 hours on my tower..
[08:23] <Ximal> only problem is my laptop
[08:24] <h1st0> Ximal: whats wrong with the laptop
[08:24] <Ximal> wrong distro
[08:24] <Ximal> just figured i got an 64 bit..
[08:24] <Ximal> from amd..
[08:24] <Ximal> so not downloading the proper iso ..
[08:24] <Ximal> going to try it next..
[08:25] <Myrth[home] > h1st0: thanks i'll try
[08:25] <Tomcat_> You mean you're downloading i386?
[08:25] <Ximal> no the 64 bit iso
[08:25] <nox-Hand> How comes it says all my repos cant be authenticated?
[08:25] <Tomcat_> You know... 1) i386 will work as well, 2) i386 will have less problems with binary-only software
[08:25] <Ximal> ughh
[08:25] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : defoptions will apend it to the default kernel
[08:25] <nox-Hand> IT's the archive.ubuntu.com gutsy repo
[08:25] <Tomcat_> Though amd64 is much cooler of course.
[08:26] <frostburn> Tomcat_, what binary only software?
[08:26] <freezerburn> frostburn?
[08:26] <frostburn> ?
[08:26] <Tomcat_> frostburn: Adobe Flash Player for example. That's probably the worst one... :)
[08:26] <freezerburn> My name is better :D
[08:27] <frostburn> Tomcat_, mine works fine with the wrapper
[08:27] <frostburn> i've had mine since 2001 =P
[08:27] <Tomcat_> Well, is it easy to set up these days? I don't even like to mess around for 5 minutes for something as basic... :I
[08:27] <freezerburn> I've had mine since 97 when I used Virtual Places for chat client
[08:27] <Myrth[home] > h1st0: i wonder if there's a list of available modes somewhere...
[08:27] <Myrth[home] > h1st0: is there a way to try a mode in runtime or have to reboot?
[08:27] <Tomcat_> Last time I've tried you still had to get a 32-bit Firefox on amd64, and that was a pain.
[08:27] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : sure just google grub vga codes
[08:28] <frostburn> Tomcat_, just install flashplugin-nonfree and if you're running amd64 it auto installs it with a wrapper
[08:28] <Tomcat_> frostburn: !!!
[08:28] <Tomcat_> Wow.
[08:28] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : I'm sure doing it runtime can be done but no idea how to do it.
[08:28] <Tomcat_> I'll definitely try that today or tomorrow.
[08:32] <Ximal> writing the image now..
[08:39] <sfasfd> i have 2 gutsy boxes 1 with internet connection 1 without ... if i cp /var/cache/apt/*deb on the non internet box than i have all the deb files but the updater doesn't know what to upgrade ... so what file do i have to cp to upgrade without internet connection?
[08:45] <DanaG> !info apt-zeroconf
[08:46] <ubotu> Package apt-zeroconf does not exist in gutsy
[08:46] <DanaG> !apt-zeroconf
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-zeroconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <chronographer> !moo
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <riotkittie> hm. i used to know the command but it escapes me
[08:50] <riotkittie> can you use synaptic and generate a package download script?
[08:51] <riotkittie> and then add the cd to your repos, and 'add downloaded packages'
[08:52] <sfasfd>  all i need to know is where apt-get update writes to
[08:56] <level1_> hi, konqueror connects to the internet when i use a gui utility like knetworkmanager, but I've written a script that will autoconnect to the internet without guis, and konqueror isn't able to load pages after that.  firefox works.
[08:56] <level1_> who should I ask about this?
[09:00] <cellofellow> I'm having trouble with SANE. This scanner worked (on another computer) with Feisty. Now it isn't detected by SANE in Gutsy. What's up?
[09:02] <_dan_> maybe its powered down
[09:03] <nikin> hy
[09:05] <cellofellow> nope
[09:05] <nikin> i upgraded, and with the ew kernel vga=791 is not working, and i can not mount my partitions, only /
[09:05] <nikin> any idea?
[09:06] <frostburn> specific errors would be nice, or just use the last kernel that worked
[09:08] <level1_> whats the actual command that suspends the computer (to ram)?
[09:09] <Ximal> ok.. haha.. it's hung on importing documents and settings agin on the laptop install
[09:10] <Ximal> again * rather..
[09:11] <nikin> frostburn: in wich logfile should i look for the mount errors?
[09:12] <frostburn> nikin, if it can't be mounted, there will be no log.  you'll have to use pen and paper =P
[09:12] <Ximal> ewww
[09:12] <frostburn> Ximal, maybe go make a sandwich while it's doing it
[09:12] <Ximal> hardcopy
[09:13] <frostburn> watched teapot etc
[09:13] <Ximal> bah... frost ... i'll let it set overnight and almost bet on it not finishing
[09:13] <Ximal> it sat like this for over 2 hours earlier
[09:13] <Ximal> with my tower it was under 45 minutes for everything to be done.. maybe 1 and a half hourse
[09:13] <cellofellow> frostburn: no errors, just no scanner found lalala.
[09:13] <nikin> frostburn: / can be mounted..... (sda1) , just nothing else
[09:13] <Ximal> i wish there was a status tab.. it doesn't even have that.. lol
[09:14] <frostburn> nikin, dmesg
[09:14] <frostburn> !stages | cellofellow
[09:14] <ubotu> cellofellow: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:14] <frostburn> the module may not be updated yet, if it worked in a previous kernel, use that for now, i suppose
[09:15] <frostburn> or you can track down to see what module is being used, compile it yourself
[09:15] <Ximal> or install the restricted legacy driver
[09:15] <Ximal> so u can boot.. and then the proper driver there after ;) ?
[09:15] <Ximal> or am i wrong frost ?
[09:17] <Ximal> * shuts up * * smacks head for being newbie tryign to give advice.. hehe *
[09:17] <frostburn> well it's not an x problem, it's a module for a specific scanner
[09:17] <frostburn> but the same idea
[09:20] <jmworx> Is the decision to enable effects by default in Gusty irreversible. I can't help but think that'll generate a *lot* of complaints (starting from me)
[09:20] <jmworx> s/from/with/
[09:21] <RAOF> jmworx: Not irreversible, but why would you complain?  It's trivial to turn them off.
[09:21] <frostburn> they aren't enabled by default
[09:21] <RAOF> frostburn: They are if your graphics card/drivers supports them properly :)
[09:24] <jmworx> RAOF: The problem is that 1) I had to realise the problem was with desktop effects (two reboot necessary) and then I got a crash while trying to disable it (one extra reboot).
[09:25] <cellofellow> scanner issues, not graphics. Those work.
[09:25] <cellofellow> just used other computer with Feisty. No issues.
[09:26] <RAOF> jmworx: So, they don't work for you.  Please file a bug.
[09:26] <RAOF> jmworx: So it's not that you object to them being on by default, just that they don't *work* :)
[09:27] <Madpilot> what's the name of the full-blown crapiz options dialogue?
[09:27] <jmworx> RAOF: Also, considering that 3D acceleration is recommended (needed?) to get the desktop effects and that 1) it's (AFAIK) know buggy on Intel chipset and 2) None of ATI / nvidia have OSS drivers 3) Many of the ATI drivers that still have 3D (like mine) are buggy as well, I really don't see the point
[09:27] <RAOF> compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:27] <jmworx> RAOF: Didn't have to file a bug, I just added a "me too" to a long launchpad entry.
[09:28] <RAOF> jmworx: (1) Buggy drivers are blacklisted (2) ATI < x850 have OSS drivers, (3) Compiz works fine on the nvidia restricted drivers, and won't try to start on the fglrx drivers.
[09:28] <threethirty> hello all
[09:29] <jmworx> RAOF: I accept the fact that it can be buggy (hey, any new feature is and in this case part of it is outside of Ubuntu devs control). I think it's a bit stupid to enable it by default and make people's machine crash until they realise that's the problem.
[09:29] <frostburn> i wouldn't say they work fine with nvidia restricted, i still get compiz hangs
[09:29] <riotkittie> yay. more weirdness.
[09:29] <jmworx> RAOF: 2) I have an OSS ATI driver ... and it crashes.
[09:30] <threethirty> I have a real quick question will installing tonights updates to the ATi and Intel graphics drivers effect me, I'm using the nvidia-glx?
[09:30] <RAOF> jmworx: Compiz shouldn't be crashing your system.  It's not substantially more buggy than other parts of the system (but it does expose bugs in drivers, and those drivers are blacklisted)
[09:30] <riotkittie> i was messing around with compiz when x barfed. i alt + ctrl + bkspced to the login screen and it was fine.
[09:31] <jmworx> Wouldn't the right solution be to either 1) Ask "do you want desktop effects (it looks nice but can crash your machine)" or 2) Install the packages, but disable it by default and let people enable it if they want.
[09:31] <riotkittie> i logged in. and my screen is insane. its like i've been resizing it via the monitor controls, though i havent. also, there's like a half inch gap from where things appear, to where they respond to mouse clicks
[09:32] <jmworx> RAOF: OK, so technically, it's not a kernel crash, but the only options I have when it "crashes" are "push the power button for 5 sec" or "hit Alt-SysRq-b". Even Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't work.
[09:32] <RAOF> jmworx: Basically, no.  Asking is bad - how do you know whether or not you want something you've never seen before?
[09:32] <riotkittie> clicking on the applications menu ... opens my terminal menu. :T
[09:32] <RAOF> jmworx: So *please* file a crash bug.  Compiz should work on your card, and if it doesn't, we need to know the details so we can blacklist it.
[09:32] <jmworx> RAOF: or maybe warning then... "We're enabling desktop effects on your system. If it crashes, do this to disable it"
[09:33] <jmworx> RAOF: Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/115283
[09:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115283 in desktop-effects "random system freeze when desktop-effects activated" [Undecided,New] 
[09:33] <jmworx> Someone filed it a couple months ago and it's still enabled by default
[09:34] <threethirty> jmworx: use the old mother/father/gramma thing, that would scare the crap out of those people
[09:34] <hfmls> hi
[09:34] <hfmls> can anyone please help me how to activate bluetooth in a notebook
[09:34] <jmworx> threethirty: Use the old what???
[09:34] <hfmls> http://growing.pt/site_produto_info.php?prod_id=5610&lang=pt this one
[09:35] <threethirty> jmorx, the what would those listed above do if they got that message, sry i want's ver y clear
[09:35] <threethirty> jmorx, wow i wish i could type
[09:37] <jmworx> threethirty: What would grandma do if she had the same laptop as I have? I bet she would think. "Wow, these Ubuntu guys are good, their free system is almost as stable as Windows ME!".
[09:37] <riotkittie> ahh. much better. but ugh, that was weird.
[09:38] <Madpilot> So, where in the giant messy compiz-super-options-thing is "Increase # of desktops above 2"?
[09:38] <riotkittie> now if i could only remember what i was doing when it came on
[09:38] <riotkittie> Madpilot: uh. General Options > desktop size
[09:38] <riotkittie> i think
[09:38] <jmworx> Madpilot: compiz is the future. Nobody uses more than 2 desktops in the future.
[09:39] <riotkittie> i was using four. until i was so cruely robbed of them.
[09:39] <Madpilot> Oh Dog, another huge set of options buried there. If I wanted this many tabs and such, I'd already be using KDE... (not entirely kidding...)
[09:39] <DanaG> Oh wait, don't use alt-sysrq-b until you've done other things first.
[09:39] <DanaG> For example, 'k'.
[09:39] <riotkittie> hahah. isnt it horrid? :|
[09:40] <threethirty> jmworx, what i think they should do is put a video on the desktop titled something like "see what you can do" make it a short informational how to and show what is possible with the distro as a whole, what fusion can do, and how to enable it
[09:40] <DanaG> then Renice, tErminate, kIll all, Sync, Unmount, Boot.    Wait for hard drive activity to subside after a while after each of those.
[09:40] <threethirty> jmworx, or make it play durring the install like old redhat installs did, they were only stills, but very informative
[09:41] <Madpilot> riotkittie: it really is. KDE-style dialogue boxen invade Gnome. Joy.
[09:41] <DanaG> I had nvidia periodic freezing on this Core Duo laptop, but I fixed it by installing irqbalance.
[09:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I hate some gnome apps: gnome-screensaver is the worst.
[09:41] <jmworx> threethirty: Yes something like that makes sense. The problem with the current setup is that you experience crashes, have little hope of knowing what causes them (unless you're quite familiar with Linux already) and even if you do, finding the option to disable it isn't exactly easy.
[09:41] <DanaG> I mean, WTF?  Where the heck is "Options!".
[09:42] <DanaG> Do people not need to change settings?
[09:42] <riotkittie> gnome-screensaver is so completely useless
[09:42] <DanaG> (/me prematurely stifles the rest of his rant.)
[09:42] <Madpilot> DanaG: yah, there's some Gnome apps that go too far the other way - gnome-screensaver being the prize in that crowd - but generally I find the gnome dialogue boxes fairly well organized. Compiz's big manager aint.
[09:42] <wabiD> is there a way to force the sidebar to open below the tab bar in firefox
[09:43] <DanaG> It runs the rss-glx screensavers at a siezure-inducing, nausea-inducing, CPU-devouring non-niced 500FPS.
[09:43] <frostburn> DanaG, what exactly did irqbalance do?
[09:43] <RAOF> DanaG: Bug filed?  That's quite a good point, it'd be easy to fix (probably).
[09:43] <DanaG> I'm not sure, but it seems to be different subjectively.  It's for balancing IRQs between different CPUs or cores.
[09:43] <threethirty> jmworx, i can't argue that point, but i really think that if we dont have a 3d desktop by default soon ill never hear the end of it from my mac friends
[09:43] <hfmls> how can i see if my bluetooth is recognized/installed ?
[09:43] <DanaG> Any of you have rss-glx installed?  Try this: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/solarwinds
[09:44] <jmworx> RAOF: anyway, so it you don't want to be chased by a hoard of angry Linux grandmas, desktop effects should really be either disabled by default or *very* easy to disable... or maybe automatically disabled if Ubuntu detects a crash?
[09:44] <threethirty> hfmls, isn't there an app in applications->accessories for that (i dunno i dont have bluetooth)
[09:44] <frostburn> hfmls, test a connection? bluetooth preferences under system -> pref
[09:44] <DanaG> Give it a try.
[09:44] <DanaG> I've modified Flux to use framerate limit of 60, nice, and --regular preset.
[09:45] <hfmls> it even activate
[09:45] <hfmls> bluetooth
[09:45] <hfmls> can't even
[09:45] <hfmls> the light wont turn on
[09:45] <riotkittie>  i love the gnome screensaver dev's reply to the bug report about it
[09:45] <jmworx> threethirty: Seriously, how useful is it to have transparent dialogs that popup in a way you can read neither the dialog nor what's under it. At this point it's a system stability vs eyecandy decision and I can't understand why the latter got chosen.
[09:45] <riotkittie> "My view is that any screensaver theme
[09:45] <riotkittie> that requires configuration is inherently broken"
[09:46] <RAOF> riotkittie: Seems reasonable to me.  An xscreensaver hack theme generator is on my TODO list :)
[09:46] <RAOF> jmworx: That is by no means the default settings.
[09:46] <Madpilot> riotkittie: gnome-screensaver dev might well be insane. Only explanation for that opinion I can think of.
[09:46] <jmworx> Oh well, it'll be fun to watch the reviews with Gusty comes out...
[09:46] <DanaG> But try those rss-glx ones.....
[09:47] <RAOF> DanaG: Cool, tried with --maxfps 60.  Bug filed?
[09:47] <jmworx> RAOF: What isn't the default setting? (effects definitely were enabled by default on that laptop I have)
[09:47] <DanaG> I had to manually edit /usr/share/applications/screensavers.
[09:47] <RAOF> jmworx: "how useful is it to have transparent dialogs that popup in a way you can read neither the dialog nor what's under it"
[09:47] <DanaG> Oh, and compare Flux with random preset to Flux with Regular preset.
[09:47] <Madpilot> Well, I just confirmed that Muine is still broken in Gutsy Beta. Meh.
[09:48] <DanaG> The regular preset is quite soothing -- and I think it's far better than any other preset, and far better than Apple's Flurry.
[09:48] <schreder> what happened to modprobe after latest update? And why is my wireless card not working? :P
[09:48] <schreder> sudo modprobe ipw3945
[09:48] <schreder> sh: /sbin/ipw3945d-2.6.22-13-generic: not found
[09:48] <schreder> FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945
[09:48] <RAOF> Madpilot: It depends on how much you stress the "requires".  He's not arguing that you shouldn't be able to configure it, just that if the defaults don't work, you need better defaults :)
[09:48] <RAOF> schreder: You haven't installed linux-restricted-modules for your kernel?
[09:49] <jmworx> RAOF: Maybe I exaggerated a bit, but that behaviour I was describing *is* the default.
[09:49] <DanaG> Actually, I need to go take a shower and then go to bed.  Perhaps I'll file the bug tomorrow.
[09:49] <Madpilot> RAOF: I can't argue with that, but a number of the screensavers do require some sort of interaction - even if it's just deciding how many bouncing cows you want to watch :)
[09:49] <DanaG> Or deciding where to get pictures.
[09:50] <jmworx> RAOF: or maybe it's just the state it froze in, though.
[09:50] <jmworx> (half the popup dialogs I got would trigger the freeze)
[09:50] <RAOF> jmworx: That may be the case :).  No window is transparent by default, unless possibly it's in the middle of an animation.
[09:50] <schreder> raof, hmm that might be why... though I checked with lsmod and that module does indeed get loaded :S
[09:50] <jmworx> buz: I might be able to help. Got an hda-based card?
[09:50] <DanaG> I think I will post a comment about irqbalance, though.
[09:51] <buz> jmworx: i know how to fix it, but i'm considering mailing mark shuttleworth about it, it's a disaster if not fixed before release
[09:51] <jmworx> buz: got choppy sound or no sound at all?
[09:51] <Madpilot> DanaG: ya, that one irritates. I also liked xscreensaver's ability to choose *which* screensavers were added to the "Random" mix
[09:51] <h1st0> anyone know how to fix bash tab completion?  ex: sudo apt-g<tab>  won't autocomplete but it was just a second ago?
[09:51] <riotkittie> but you cant really have a set default where there are an infinite number of whatevers. and forcing a  default which cant be changed... is silly
[09:51] <RAOF> Madpilot: *That* is something I don't like about gnome-screensaver, yes.
[09:51] <jmworx> buz: what model BTW?
[09:52] <buz> latitude d830 (but i'm listening to mp3 on it this very moment, after installing alsa 1.0.15rc1)
[09:52] <buz> ubuntu devs don't want to commit fixing it
[09:52] <buz> and as far as i know, the ubuntu preloaded inspiron is affected, as well
[09:52] <jmworx> buz: BTW, don't bother emailing anyone. Ubuntu rarely fixes anything until the next release anyway (though they can still break stuff in updates)
[09:52] <jmworx> buz: But *what* is the problem?
[09:53] <DanaG> What bug is about the periodic temporary freezes?
[09:53] <buz> well the well known hda-intel fuckup means nearly everony with a recent dell notebook wont get sound
[09:53] <buz> including the people who bought a ubuntu preloaded machine
[09:53] <buz> which in my view, is a pr disaster waiting to happen
[09:53] <jmworx> buz; WHAT KIND OF PROBLEM?
[09:53] <wabiD> is there a fix for having to click to see panels on login yet?
[09:53] <buz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/131133
[09:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in dell "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [High,Confirmed] 
[09:53] <schreder> nvm fixed my module problem by installing restricted module. They should be installed automatically though after a kernel update if user has them installed prior to the update ;)
[09:54] <DanaG> Oh, another thing cool with Linux: two-finger scrolling, and two- and three-finger tapping.
[09:54] <RAOF> schreder: They are (if you've got linux-generic installed), you just got an incomplete update.
[09:54] <DanaG> I use my touchpad 100% of the time, and my nice Logitech MX700 0% of the time, approximately.
[09:55] <jmworx> buz: Funny, I never got that one. What I got though is that more than a month ago a Feisty *update* broke all HDA-based cards on x86-64.
[09:55] <buz> that was a different issue
[09:55] <buz> (friend of mine has sound on his thinkpad t60 at least)
[09:56] <jmworx> So since that "update" I have to recompile the driver myself every time there's a new "update" that trashes the driver I compiled myself.
[09:56] <buz> yes
[09:56] <buz> same with dell
[09:56] <Madpilot> Dog, the deeper you get into the giant compiz-options thing the worse it gets. <shudder>
[09:56] <threethirty> who got ubotu to list the stuff about the bug and how, never saw an !
[09:56] <h1st0> Can anyone try this for me begin typing sudo apt-g  and then hit tab let me know if it auto completes.
[09:56] <buz> threethirty: ubotu automatically tells about bug urls
[09:57] <DanaG> Oh, another bug I have: bug 121833
[09:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[09:57] <jmworx> buz: Yes, I know it's a different issue. Still annoying though that not only do they usually not fix stuff but they actively break things that used to work :-(
[09:57] <buz> yeah
[09:57] <buz> on supposedly supported hardware, no less
[09:57] <buz> that is *sold* with ubuntu preinstalled
[09:57] <buz> (otherwise i wouldn't bother telling anyone about it)
[09:58] <jmworx> buz: I actually installed Fiesty myself. Didn't know it was on pre-installed hardware (you sure Dell ships with 64-bit Ubuntu?).
[09:58] <DanaG> And my other bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[09:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix] 
[09:58] <buz> no dell ships 32bit i think
[09:58] <buz> but it doesnt work on 32bit either
[09:58] <threethirty> welp guys/girls/other, im off to bed, later
[09:58] <jmworx> buz: that hda bug I was talking about was only on 64-bit AFAIK.
[09:59] <jmworx> Which is probably why nobody cares.
[09:59] <buz> yeah
[09:59] <buz> i doubt many people even use 64bit
[09:59] <RAOF> jmworx: A good proportion of the Ubuntu devs use 64bit :)
[09:59] <buz> RAOF: you'd think a few of them have dell notebooks, too
[09:59] <jmworx> I once has a 64-bit but in Speex (I'm maintainer) and the CLI encoder would just crash on startup on Dapper. It took more than 6 months to get then to apply my 2-line fix!
[09:59] <h1st0> Can anyone try this for me begin typing sudo apt-g  and then hit tab let me know if it auto completes?
[10:00] <jmworx> RAOF: Apparently, it doesn't make them fix regressions (that soundcard worked on Feisty before the update) any faster.
[10:00] <buz> sudo something does not autocomplete
[10:00] <RAOF> buz: Does in zsh :)
[10:01] <buz> i think i'll try mailing canonical directly, personally i dont care much about fixing the issue when it comes up, but the n00bs wont be able to do that
[10:01] <RAOF> jmworx: Yeah, I remember that.  I can't remebmer what took so long though.
[10:02] <jmworx> buz: Anyway, so I rarely bother reporting bugs on launchpad anymore. Either they get fixed in the next release because "upstream got updated" or the bugs stay there forever. I don't think any of the reports I filed ever changed anything.
[10:02] <ranji> so I installed Firefox using Adept, then I installed the JRE for firefox using Adept, except Firefox is still telling me I need to install plugins when I go to java.com
[10:02] <buz> jmworx: i've seen a few fixe
[10:02] <buz> d
[10:02] <buz> but in general, you're right
[10:02] <buz> the worst showstopppers seem to get attention
[10:02] <h1st0> DanaG: I understand that people use certain thing I'm just wondering if this is a bug with gutsy or if that tab completion will work
[10:02] <buz> anything beyond "system crashes" wont
[10:02] <freezerburn> alright guys think I've messed up my codecs or something cause I can't watch videos anymore.  I hear them,  if anyone can help me figure this out I'd appreciate it
[10:02] <jmworx> RAOF: What do you mean "what *took* so long"? It's still not fixed
[10:02] <RAOF> jmworx, buz: :(.  *I* fix bugs
[10:03] <buz> RAOF: then how about fixing that dell sound bug
[10:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for sudo, you have to edit /etc/bash.bashrc to enable it.
[10:03] <buz> RAOF: its not like the bug report doesnt contain numerous reports of how to do it
[10:03] <buz> and if you guys fear regressions, at least provide an extra package that fixes it
[10:03] <RAOF> buz: Which are "update to a new ALSA version, breaking other stuff (including suspend to ram)"
[10:04] <jmworx> Well, just reverting the update would already be a plus!
[10:04] <wabiD> is there a fix for having to click to see panels/nautilus on login yet?
[10:04] <Madpilot> So, in bug 150443, one guy mentions that crapiz CAN do switch-workspace-with-mousewheel, but it's not enabled by default. Anyone got any idea where that option hides in the giant compiz-messy-options thing?
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150443 in libwnck "Compiz in Gutsy Beta: No workspace switching with mousewheel" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150443
[10:04] <RAOF> wabiD: I don't think so, it's beeing looked at.
[10:04] <RAOF> Madpilot: VP Switch is what you're after.
[10:04] <wabiD> weird
[10:04] <h1st0> DanaG: what exactly would I be editing in there?  This worked in fiesty
[10:04] <buz> RAOF: alsa-driver-1.0.15rc1 fixes the issuea and does suspend to ram (later releases however do not)
[10:05] <RAOF> jmworx: And breaking other stuff?
[10:05] <jmworx> RAOF: what I find most annoying is that not only do I have to compile alsa drivers myself to work around the regression, but then every time a new kernel "update" is released, it just overwrites and when I reboot my box, sound doesn't work.
[10:06] <jmworx> RAOF: Isn't the idea of updates to at least make sure you don't break things? This update killed every single HDA-based soundcard on x86-64. I doubt what it fixed was worth that.
[10:06] <Madpilot> RAOF: on the 'Actions' tab there, View Next/View Prev are already set to Button5/Button4 respectively, and the plugin is enabled - it should already be working, no?
[10:06] <RAOF> jmworx: Ah, you're talking about a different bug.
[10:07] <jmworx> RAOF: by "every single HDA-based soundcard", I mean "module won't even load because of missing symbol". Let's just say I've seen better. It's been broken for quite a while now.
[10:07] <buz> (otoh, i do concede that alsa devs are somewhat, uhm, bad about breaking stuff)
[10:07] <RAOF> jmworx: And where is your bug?
[10:07] <jmworx> buz: well, Ubuntu devs should know better than making blind upgrades.
[10:08] <buz> you'd think so
[10:08] <jmworx> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/120305
[10:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120305 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[regression] Cannot modprobe snd-hda-intel following upgrade to Feisty" [High,Triaged] 
[10:08] <buz> but ever after the xorg debacle a year ago or so i doubt this
[10:08] <jmworx> RAOF: I'm jmspeex BTW
[10:09] <jmworx> RAOF: Yet, it took 6 months to get a 2-line fix to Speex that was causing 100% segfaults on amd64 (i.e. could break things more than they were).
[10:09] <jmworx> OK, got to go
[10:09] <RAOF> buz: That's why there's a proposed-updates repository now.
[10:10] <buz> RAOF: i'd test stuff, but atm i somehow have my doubts if reports do help
[10:10] <RAOF> buz: And not reporting *definitely* doesn't help :)
[10:11] <buz> so why arent bugs flagged as won't fix if the fix supposedly causes regressions?
[10:11] <RAOF> buz: Because the fix doesn't necessarily have to cause regressions?
[10:12] <wabiD> can i get my two virtual desktops to have separate backgrounds
[10:12] <RAOF> That bug can be fixed in a way that isn't "replace Gutsy's ALSA packages with 1.0.15rc1"
[10:12] <buz> i now, and it doesnt, but you claimed suspend to ram regressions being the reason for not fixing it
[10:12] <RAOF> buz: No, that's the reason why the fixes proposed on that bug haven't been used.
[10:12] <DanaG> I wish my brightness issue would get more attention.  Perhaps I need to change the description to say that now it doesn't work at all.
[10:12] <xid> any idea why Java doesn't work in Firefox after installing using Adept?
[10:12] <Madpilot> wabiD: no
[10:12] <buz> sure, but to anyone affected by it, it doesnt seem like anyone is working on it
[10:13] <DanaG> I disable POST and enable saving video PCI state.
[10:13] <buz> DanaG: that's par for the course ;)
[10:13] <wabiD> darn enlightnment lets you i think
[10:14] <DanaG> Gaah, vsync is disabled!
[10:14] <DanaG> damnvidia.
[10:17] <xid> any idea why Java doesn't work in Firefox after installing using Adept?
[10:18] <snadge> anyone have any idea where gran paradiso packages went?
[10:19] <snadge> are they warez now or something? ;)
[10:19] <DanaG> Yay, I have my cube rotate on hscroll.
[10:19] <DanaG> I push 2 fingers left, the cube rotates left.
[10:19] <DanaG> And same for right and right.
[10:21] <xid> hmm I still haven't figured this out... guess I'll have to install it manually
[10:21] <fay_elf> Kubuntu-fi
[10:22] <xid> what's that mean?
[10:22] <xid> is that an adverb?
[10:22] <Tm_T> xid: he was trying to join that channel ;)
[10:22] <xid> heh
[10:22] <Bryan> how does one get flash to work in 7.10 for firefox?
[10:22] <fay_elf> Sry channel join fault
[10:23] <xid> Bryan I figured that out earlier
[10:23] <xid> Bryan get the gz and follow the instructions on Adobe's site
[10:23] <Bryan> I'm all..eyes...
[10:23] <xid> Bryan went quite smooth for me
[10:23] <Bryan> ..hmm...
[10:24] <DanaG> Flippity-doo-dah.
[10:24] <DanaG> Yay, touchpad+cube.
[10:24] <DanaG> But I kinda' wish I had a tablet to try.
[10:24] <xid> DanaG are you using Beryl or something?
[10:24] <DanaG> compiz-fusion, actually.
[10:25] <xid> oh cool
[10:25] <xid> suggest a good livecd for that?
[10:25] <DanaG> Gutsy has it installed by default, and I think even enabled by default.
[10:25] <fay_elf> Xid: knoppix has good hw support
[10:25] <xid> I'm using Gutsy
[10:26] <xid> how do you get the cube?
[10:26] <DanaG> Time for a shower now.  /me goes away but doesn't change name.
[10:26] <xid> DanaG wiat!
[10:26] <DanaG> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:26] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[10:26] <xid> oh cool thanks
[10:26] <xid> I don't understand that at all
[10:26] <xid> :P
[10:27] <DanaG> It's a package to install.
[10:27] <xid> k
[10:31] <fay_elf> So to get compiz running you would only need the nvidia drivers, compiz-fusion and compiz-settings-manager?
[10:31] <fay_elf> And possible dependencies
[10:32] <Madpilot> voodoo involving freshly-killed chickens might also be needed.
[10:32] <Madpilot> and on that tasteful note, I need to get some sleep. Good night/morning/day/whatever, everyone.
[10:34] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:40] <sfasfd> fay_elf: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde
[10:41] <fay_elf> Thx, i'll try that out
[10:43] <fay_elf> I am planning to stay with feisty until the 18th though, so can i do it without dist-upgrading for now?
[10:45] <RAOF> fay_elf: You won't get compiz fusion unless you're on Gutsy.
[10:47] <DanaG> I need sleep now.
[10:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that Flux is an absolutely wonderful visual -- so soothing, if not set too bright.
[10:48] <DanaG> However, first you have to edit the preset to un-break it.
[10:48] <DanaG> Use regular, nice, and maxfps 60.
[10:48] <DanaG> Oh, and it reminded me of another cool thing about my laptop: a toggle-all-LEDs hotkey.
[10:49] <DanaG> Bye.
[10:52] <larsemil> ati + dual monitors problem in gutsy...
[10:56] <snadge> solution: use an nvidia card or a single monitor ;)
[11:01] <redheat> hi everyone
[11:02] <redheat> one question, is there a good password manager for websites? I mean do you know the password program Roboform, which stores the logins and passwords for any website, is there a one like in on Linux?
[11:03] <redheat> like it*
[11:03] <cellojoe> keepass runs well thru wine
[11:03] <cellojoe> or password safe
[11:04] <cellojoe> http://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/
[11:04] <redheat> you mean I should do a search for keepass or Password safe
[11:04] <cellojoe> and http://sourceforge.net/projects/keepass/
[11:04] <redheat> roger that thank you so much for your help
[11:04] <redheat> thank you
[11:04] <cellojoe> you are quite welcome
[11:05] <Tm_T> redheat: Kwallet
[11:05] <cellojoe> yeah, that was my next suggestions
[11:05] <cellojoe> that or seahorse ( i think )
[11:05] <cellojoe> well... nvrmind that
[11:05] <redheat> thank you T(ok I don't know how to make a square)_T: Kwallet
[11:06] <cellojoe> aaahahahahah
[11:06] <redheat> but wait guys, isn't Kwallet like that windows program a wallet program for storing your credit card data
[11:06] <cellojoe> redheat: what desktop are you running?
[11:06] <redheat> gnome and KDE
[11:06] <redheat> gutsy gibbon 7.10 second beta
[11:06] <redheat> and may I say this ..
[11:06] <cellojoe> kwallet is  included in KDE i believe
[11:07] <cellojoe> second beta?
[11:07] <redheat> I am so proud of what I did so far, I got compizfusion running on Both of them
[11:07] <cellojoe> i probably have the second beta if i update frequently, hm?
[11:07] <redheat> sorry, I forgot the name of the first edition i thought it was beta, but it turned out to be Alpha, makes sense
[11:08] <redheat> no no, it is the same recent edition, I thought it was called a second beta, it's just beta, the first one is called Alpha..
[11:08] <cellojoe> ooh
[11:08] <xid> what's the keystroke combination to bring up the application menu?
[11:09] <cellojoe> alt f1
[11:09] <redheat> guys, one last thing, how come I have no icons on both the gnome and KDE desktops?
[11:09] <cellojoe> by default, that is
[11:09] <cellojoe> in gnome, do you have nautilus set to show desktop?
[11:10] <redheat> how do I do that?
[11:10] <cellojoe> it should be set by default
[11:10] <cellojoe> but you can make sure in gconf-editor
[11:10] <redheat> probably not because I login as root
[11:10] <cellojoe> . . .
[11:10] <redheat> the root desktop is different from the ordinary user...
[11:11] <cellojoe> can i assume you've heard the spiel of "DON'T LOG IN AS ROOT!!!'?
[11:11] <redheat> when it comes to the icons..I've seen that on all distributions from Yellow Dog,
[11:11] <redheat> haha yes I did
[11:12] <redheat> "blushing and feeling embarrased by the tenacity of his manner"
[11:12] <redheat> my manner that is
[11:12] <redheat> anyway, guys thank you like a million times..
[11:12] <cellojoe> don't mind me...
[11:12] <redheat> thank you so much for your help
[11:13] <redheat> take care
[11:13] <cellojoe> ciao
[11:35] <redheat> guys guys..one question please, of course hi to you all
[11:35] <redheat> is there a program I can install on windows that would let me see my Linux partitions?
[11:37] <cellojoe> yup.
[11:37] <SlimeyPete> redheat: fs-driver.org
[11:37] <SlimeyPete> iirc
[11:37] <redheat> SlimeyPete, fs-driver.org..
[11:38] <jmspeex> RAOF: back
[11:38] <jmspeex> (was jmworx)
[11:38] <redheat> is that the best one available and does it work on WIndows vista as well on xp?
[11:38] <cellojoe> redheat: check it out.
[11:38] <cellojoe> i'm sure it says on the home page
[11:38] <SlimeyPete> redheat: it's the best available, yes, but I don't know about vista
[11:39] <redheat> roger that..thank you so much cellojoe and SlimeyPete, thank you guys/gals, so much..
[11:39] <redheat> take care
[11:49] <redheat> guys, sorry for this intrusion again, what was the name of the program that let's windows see the linux partitions
[11:49] <redheat> fs-project.com
[11:49] <redheat> Cellojoe are you there or you SlimeyPete?
[11:50] <socketbind> hi, i'm having some strange behavior with my network card on my notebook
[11:50] <cellojoe> hi
[11:50] <bazhang> socketbind: what's the issue?
[11:51] <clarkey> hi I have a problem with networking on Gusty I just installed it on my desktop and it wont connect with any network connection be it wireless or wired, in desperation I even swaped the wired NIC and then I reinstalled the whole system, still not working
[11:51] <SlimeyPete> redheat: fs-driver.org
[11:51] <SlimeyPete> I think
[11:51] <socketbind> it does not re-acquire dhcp address when unplugged as it did in feisty
[11:51] <redheat> thank you Slimey,
[11:51] <socketbind> and for some reason it is eth1
[11:51] <redheat> I just restarted and went into windows and it slipped my mind..
[11:51] <socketbind> there are no other wired network adapters
[11:51] <redheat> sorry thank you again
[11:51] <clarkey> any ideas oh and ifup gives an error saying the network interface cannot be found
[11:51] <bazhang> socketbind: this is Feisty?
[11:51] <socketbind> no this is gutsy
[11:52] <socketbind> i edited udev rules so now it gets eth0
[11:52] <cellojoe> no, this is sparta
[11:52] <cellojoe> >.<
[11:52] <bazhang> oops! topic. sorry...
[11:52] <socketbind> but it still doesnt detect when the cable is unplugged
[11:52] <bazhang> socketbind: when you say unplugged, what do you mean?
[11:52] <socketbind> unplug the network cable? : |
[11:52] <socketbind> i plug it back but it doesnt re-acquire address
[11:53] <socketbind> as it did in feisty
[11:53] <bazhang> socketbind: the ethernet cable? why would you do that?
[11:53] <socketbind> i even get some whirling balls thing in feisty when i plug it back meaning that it is acquiring network address
[11:53] <socketbind> i dont know maybe i'm moving the notebook whatever
[11:54] <socketbind> i just dont get it why this feature doesnt work
[11:54] <Amaranth> That's an odd one
[11:54] <socketbind> i need to issue /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:54] <socketbind> but i dunno this should be automatic
[11:55] <Amaranth> Check dmesg or something
[11:55] <socketbind> when unplugged the ethernet gets totally unconfigured
[11:55] <bazhang> well; it is a beta; and I would imagine that unplugging the ethernet cable is pretty unusual--best to wait for the final for that one to be fixed--you could file a bug report at launchpad net, or you could try to connect via the console.
[11:55] <Amaranth> I dunno, I've only had a cable plugged into my laptop maybe half a dozen times and all of those were with windows (it doesn't have the wireless driver by default)
[11:55] <Amaranth> bazhang: Dude if it's not working now it's not going to
[11:56] <socketbind> okay just wanted to know if you know about it : |
[11:56] <martin_vazquez> Hi, sorry for my english. I have some trouble getting my laptop connected to a wireless network with wpa1(psk) encryption. If I set in the ap the encryption to wpa2, I've no problem, but whith wpa1 it dont associate to the network...
[11:56] <bazhang> Amaranth: perhaps true.
[11:56] <Amaranth> bazhang: They are starting testing on the RC and after the RC release only things that break upgrades or cause massive data loss will get fixed
[11:56] <socketbind> anyway, thank you
[11:56] <Amaranth> bazhang: Not perhaps true, absolutely true
[11:57] <bazhang> Amaranth: just trying to be helpful..thanks for setting me straight...
[11:57] <socketbind> i hope this will get fixed as it seems to be broken
[11:57] <clarkey> hi I have a problem with networking on Gusty I just installed it on my desktop and it wont connect with any network connection be it wireless or wired, in desperation I even swaped the wired NIC and then I reinstalled the whole system, still not working.      any ideas oh and ifup gives an error saying "ignoring unknown  interface eth0=eth0" for whatever network interface I try and ifdown gives "ifdown: interface eth0 not c
[11:57] <clarkey> onfigured" when nm-applet tries to connect it gets the first green dot but not the second again any ideas its stumped me seems like something fundamental is stuffed also ifconfig lists all the interfaces which are installed
[11:58] <clarkey> should I file a bug?
[11:58] <bazhang> socketbind: you might consider getting a longer ethernet cable in the meantime..they are not that pricey..sorry not to be able to help out. You could still try to do it via the terminal
[11:58] <cellojoe> where's the file that lists interfaces and configurations?
[11:58] <socketbind> okay bazhang now i'm browsing the bugs in launchpad
[11:58] <Amaranth> bazhang: I've just seen lots of people saying "it's a beta, maybe it'll be fixed in the final" when by the time beta is released if something doesn't work right it almost certainly won't be fixed (unless it's a big issue)
[11:58] <martin_vazquez> and sometimes the network-manager eat my cpu....
[11:59] <bazhang> Amaranth: I've already deferred to you..what else can I say?
[11:59] <martin_vazquez> I'm whith svn version of madwifi
[11:59] <martin_vazquez> maybe it's the problem
[11:59] <Amaranth> bazhang: I'm just trying to explain, I'm not 'jumping' on you in particular, just that line of thinking
[11:59] <martin_vazquez> but with other networks i have no problem...
[12:00] <martin_vazquez> can you help me?
[12:00] <clarkey> anyone got any ideas on my problem above?
[12:00] <bazhang> Amaranth: not really looking for an argument here...
[12:00] <Amaranth> bazhang: Neither am I, just don't want you to be upset
[12:01] <reverseblade> Hello when I enable 3D effects for my nvidia card it says it requires restart and than I fall back to bullet proof x manager
[12:01] <Ali_ix> hi, i have problem regarding widescreen lcd configuration :(
[12:01] <socketbind> well clarkey i really do hope that they will fix network manager
[12:02] <Ali_ix> i have generated custom modeline and put in xorg.conf, but seems that X ignoring my modeline, screen flickers on windows move and animations
[12:02] <socketbind> or i just stick with feisty but feisty is buggy on my notebook
[12:02] <bazhang> clarkey: what network card?
[12:02] <martin_vazquez> clarkey: whith network-manager, the configuration of the network isn't saved in /etc/network/interfaces, and you can't ifup or ifdown
[12:02] <clarkey> oh ok
[12:03] <clarkey> bazhang at the moment i dont know what it is but it uses the e100 driver
[12:03] <clarkey> bazhang: I am pretty sure its rather old
[12:03] <bazhang> clarkey: are you familiar with using the terminal?
[12:03] <clarkey> yea
[12:04] <bazhang> then try the command lspci and see what it says about that card.
[12:04] <clarkey> wait one sec have 2 swap computers
[12:04] <bazhang> clarkey: no hurry..
[12:05] <martin_vazquez> sorry, can any of you read my question? xD
[12:06] <clarkey> AR5212/5213
[12:06] <clarkey> its an Atheros one
[12:06] <martin_vazquez> atheros
[12:06] <bazhang> clarkey: it's a desktop, right?
[12:06] <clarkey> yea P4
[12:07] <clarkey> worked fine in feisty
[12:07] <bazhang> martin_vazquez: just a moment ...
[12:07] <martin_vazquez> ok, thanks
[12:07] <clarkey> and to check I just ran the cd check on the install disk
[12:07] <bazhang> clarkey: did it work with the liveCD?
[12:08] <socketbind> well yeah i should file a bug
[12:08] <socketbind> byew
[12:08] <clarkey> no ive got the live CD loaded at the moment for some reason and it doesnt seem to be working
[12:08] <martin_vazquez> the interface appears in iwconfig?
[12:09] <bazhang> clarkey: what do you get in the terminal when you ifconfig and iwconfig?
[12:09] <mcquaid> I haven't upgraded yet from feisty, but one thing I'm kind of surprised with is enabling compiz while also showcaseing fast user switching in this release
[12:09] <clarkey> on the live CD?
[12:09] <mcquaid> afaik, compiz/beryl don't work properly (at all really) with multiple users logged in
[12:10] <mcquaid> am i correct, or has that changed somehow?
[12:10] <bazhang> martin_vazquez: any reason you can't go with wpa2 for now?
[12:10] <RAOF> mcquaid: Not true, if (1) using nvidia or (2) using Xgl (in a certain way)
[12:10] <martin_vazquez> no, i can connect whith wpa2, but not with wpa1
[12:10] <bazhang> martin_vazquez: not my question...
[12:11] <Amaranth> mcquaid: The other users just get metacity
[12:11] <martin_vazquez> ahh, ok, I understand
[12:11] <Ali_ix> any onehaving trouble with widescreen lcd efresh rate?
[12:11] <martin_vazquez> but, i was testing the ap, it is a fonera, with openwrt
[12:11] <bazhang> clarkey: you don't have it installed, and are just running from live CD to see if it will work?
[12:12] <martin_vazquez> and when i set the encryption to wpa, i can connect to it with Mac OSX, but not with gutsy
[12:12] <Amaranth> martin_vazquez: Oh, this fun
[12:12] <bazhang> martin_vazquez: decent dl times with wpa2?
[12:12] <Amaranth> martin_vazquez: And if you use WEP ubuntu with connect but not OS X
[12:12] <Amaranth> Right?
[12:12] <martin_vazquez> yes
[12:12] <Amaranth> Man I fought this for weeks
[12:13] <martin_vazquez> I don't know,
[12:13] <clarkey> bazhang: no I do have it installed but I just started up the live CD to check the integrity and wen it restarted it booted into the live CD while I wasnt there lol
[12:13] <Amaranth> Luckily for me network manager got fixed so I can use WPA2
[12:13] <martin_vazquez> not tryed whith wep
[12:13] <bazhang> martin_vazquez: Mac can do wpa2 iirc..so why not stick with that for now?
[12:13] <bazhang> clarkey: perhaps you should start up with the install, then read out what it say in ifconfig/iwconfig? you know those commands, right?
[12:13] <martin_vazquez> it isn't the problem, i'm now whith wpa2 without troubles in any OS
[12:14] <clarkey> bazhang: I cant paste the results of those because I dont have a net connection is there anything specifically u want to know?
[12:14] <redheat> Cello, SlimeyPete, I just installed the Ext2 program and it's working great
[12:14] <redheat> now each time I try to access the swap partition I'm being asked to format it
[12:14] <redheat> if I did this will Ubuntu still be working ok
[12:14] <martin_vazquez> it only was a test, and I'm surprised that gutsy don't get connected
[12:14] <bazhang> clarkey: can you use ethernet and try and configure the card, then try and connect?
[12:15] <clarkey> bazhang: I dont think you understand NOTHING works
[12:15] <clarkey> not even ethernet
[12:15] <clarkey> and ethernet is usually my fall back
[12:15] <martin_vazquez> maybe is a bug on madwifi, or network-manager, i dont know
[12:16] <bazhang> martin_vazquez: sounds like you can connect with a better encryption system on all OSes, and just want to know something rather esoteric--not sure if that is a very high priority bug for the canonical team--I imagine the bsod experienced by some users would be capturing most of their attention atm. Cheers!
[12:16] <clarkey> bazhang I usually dont even hav wireless card in I was just trying in desperation
[12:16] <redheat> SlimeyPete, Cellojoe, are you there guys?
[12:16] <bazhang> clarkey: ok, but you can still try and connect wirelessly via the terminal--want to give it a shot?
[12:17] <clarkey> ok
[12:17] <bazhang> clarkey: what's the wired device?
[12:17] <clarkey> thats what I quoted before
[12:17] <redheat> guys, can anyon help me around here?
[12:17] <clarkey> AR5212
[12:18] <bazhang> redheat: don't format--there seems to be a serious issue, though some of the experts probably want to weigh in on this...
[12:19] <redheat> ok so I shouldn't format the Linux swap partition,
[12:19] <bazhang> redheat: during install, or just normal usage?
[12:20] <bazhang> clarkey: open up a terminal and type in the command sudo ifconfig, followed by your password.
[12:20] <redheat> no normal usage, I just installed that program EXt2 FS, that let's you see the linux partitions under windows, all versions except vista, and when I open my computer, it show me the two partitions where linux is installd, the root partition, and the other one used as swap...
[12:21] <redheat> I can access the first one fine, but the second one I can access because it not format..
[12:21] <bazhang> redheat: so you are in Vista now?
[12:21] <redheat> no Xp pro
[12:21] <bazhang> redheat: if you want to toast you Linux install, then format away--otherwise don't do it. seriously.
[12:22] <bazhang> your, even
[12:22] <redheat> you know what, Il give it a try if it works..fine by me..if not..then  I won be much screwed cause I don keep a lot of stuff there..
[12:22] <redheat> gonna give it a try and come back to you..
[12:23] <redheat> take care and thank you so much, and if SlimeyPete or Cellojoe are "lurking" somewhere say hello to them on my account..
[12:23] <bazhang> redheat: you're going to format your swap drive? how big is it?
[12:23] <redheat> like 2 GB
[12:23] <bazhang> redheat: I wouldn't do that....you will regret it...
[12:24] <clarkey> bazhang done that  by the way is there a way I can just get around nm-applet
[12:24] <bazhang> clarkey: what did ifconfig say?
[12:25] <redheat> hey if it works.it works..right? I'vee been isntalling and unistalling formatting and reformatting Ubuntu like crazy for the past two weeks and it works so perfectly, and I mean perfectly now..So one last trial won't hurt..but thanks for the warning..
[12:25] <clarkey> bazhang:  mean I only use ethernet on that computer and I dont really need nm-applets features
[12:25] <clarkey> ahh lots
[12:25] <redheat> ok take care and Il get back to you in a giffy..
[12:25] <redheat> bye
[12:25] <bazhang> clarkey: ok, but what did ifconfig say?
[12:26] <clarkey> bazhang: what do u want to know? it lists eth0 ath0 wifi0
[12:26] <bazhang> clarkey: and you have a wireless network there? what encryption level? open/wep/wpa/wpa2?
[12:26] <clarkey> open
[12:27] <bazhang> clarkey: do you have it set to dhcp or static?
[12:27] <clarkey> at the moment encryption is too hard with this stupid range extender I have I swear linksys should recall that product it has a fit with any encryption
[12:28] <clarkey> well the router is assigning DHCP
[12:28] <clarkey> and I guess nm-applet is trying to get one but it never does
[12:28] <bazhang> clarkey: okey dokey...now try sudo dhlcient ath0
[12:28] <clarkey> its always listed as 0.0.0.0 in connection information
[12:29] <bazhang> oops, that should be dhclient..haha
[12:29] <bazhang> my bad..
[12:29] <bazhang> dhlcient sounds like a quickly delivered wine...haha
[12:30] <bazhang> clarkey: have you tried it?
[12:31] <bazhang> btw, what was the output from the iwconfig command?
[12:32] <clarkey> yea it reported no DHCP offers received
[12:32] <clarkey> no from ifconfig
[12:32] <bazhang> ok, not try the same with eth0. and the ethernet cable attached...
[12:32] <clarkey> done it
[12:33] <bazhang> not=now
[12:33] <clarkey> same thing
[12:33] <clarkey> says that no DHCP offers received
[12:34] <clarkey> u sure it doesnt hav something to do with not being able to ifup and ifdown the connections?
[12:34] <bazhang> clarkey: I can't believe that an atheros card can't get the wireless network...and that the ar5212 card doesn't work--who is the maker of the ethernet card?
[12:35] <clarkey> no Idea its old
[12:35] <bazhang> google?
[12:35] <clarkey> has almost no markings
[12:35] <clarkey> but I also had another card with the same problems in
[12:35] <bazhang> bad card?
[12:36] <clarkey> which was a realtec 8139 from memory
[12:36] <bazhang> and this one? the same?
[12:36] <clarkey> thats what I thought about the realtec which was originally in there so I swapped it with this old one
[12:37] <clarkey> nothing is working its really quite stuffed
[12:37] <bazhang> clarkey: I have a realtek ethernet card that can connect no problem--might it be that the card is bad?
[12:37] <clarkey> maybe but i doubt that two completely different cards are bad
[12:37] <clarkey> and anyway it was working with feisty the day before
[12:38] <bazhang> highly unlikely
[12:38] <clarkey> I have two of the realtek cards aswell
[12:38] <clarkey> its really weird
[12:39] <clarkey> it seems to me as if it just wont accept an IP address
[12:39] <bazhang> clarkey: if it was working with Feisty, then clearly it's an issue with Gutsy..strange that mine works and yours does not--does your ISP limit the number of computers that can share a connection?
[12:39] <aldin> hi, where do i acticvate desktop effects on 7.10
[12:39] <aldin> and is it compiz fusion, perhaps someone can tell me how to run it form terminal
[12:39] <bazhang> aldin: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[12:39] <aldin> ubuntu
[12:39] <aldin> i found on apearence
[12:39] <bazhang> that's the one.
[12:40] <aldin> visual effects but nothing happens, tried to install beryl but it isnt in repos
[12:40] <aldin> bazhang: how to run it from terminal to see messages
[12:40] <clarkey> it was working before with the same number of computers actually it was workign with two more than are operating now so I doubt it
[12:40] <savvas> aldin: you click on normal in apperanace > visual effects
[12:40] <bazhang> try the following: alt +f2 then in the window that appears, type compiz --replace &
[12:41] <clarkey> could it have anything to do with settings in the home directory?
[12:41] <compwiz18> aldin, to run it from the terminal, compwiz --replace
[12:41] <compwiz18> compiz --replace, sorry
[12:41] <clarkey> because that is the only thing I carried over from the feisty install
[12:41] <bazhang> I like compwiz better...haha
[12:41] <aldin> are u sure, i know for replace but what windeco it will be i remember i typed & emerald --replace?
[12:41] <compwiz18> I type my username too much I think xD
[12:42] <bazhang> with the & at the end.
[12:42] <bazhang> haha
[12:42] <savvas> clarkey: try create a new user and see
[12:42] <hazman> I've shared a folder using windows share(SMB), and it won't unshare properly. It's recognised as not being shared, however when i browse the network the folders are still clearly shared
[12:42] <bazhang> clarkey: no that probably is not it, though have you reconfigured the cards under gutsy?
[12:43] <bazhang> aldin: is that working?
[12:43] <clarkey> well I have fiddled with them alot tried giving static IP's etc
[12:43] <bazhang> oho
[12:43] <aldin> and one thing more i have ati x200 card it says glxinfo|grep direct -> yes but says warning, glxgears works ok, is it improved OSS 3D drvier, last time it was imposible to have
[12:43] <aldin> without fglrx
[12:44] <bazhang> aldin: did that command do it?
[12:44] <bazhang> savvas: heya
[12:46] <aldin> in xorg.conf says it is Driver "ati" and in terminal
[12:46] <aldin> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/39945/
[12:47] <vmlinuz`> yo
[12:47] <vmlinuz`> whats better than banshee, I rly dislike it.
[12:47] <clarkey> bazhang: well I created a new user no luck same problem
[12:48] <bazhang> vmlinuz`: what's that?
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> bazhang: audio software
[12:50] <clarkey> bazhang: i might just reinstall feisty and try upgrading from there
[12:50] <compwiz18> vmlinuz`, exaile/amarok/listen!
[12:50] <bazhang> clarkey: did you configure the cards?
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> I used amorak, its good.
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> but isnt it an KDE software
[12:50] <clarkey> what do u mean by configure?
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> some people recommend running it from kde only
[12:50] <compwiz18> vmlinuz`, are you using gnome or kde?
[12:50] <vmlinuz`> gnome
[12:51] <compwiz18> vmlinuz`, you can use with from gnome
[12:51] <compwiz18> it loads a little slower, that's all
[12:51] <clarkey> it worked for me with my laptop I had some problem with the wireless button not working in gusty so I  just upgraded from feisty with the update manager
[12:51] <compwiz18> however, exaile (I use) and listen (haven't tried) are pretty good too
[12:51] <vmlinuz`> i know i can
[12:51] <vmlinuz`> but i've read somewhere that its recommended with kde.. anyways
[12:52] <bazhang> clarkey: a couple of options: via the terminal, or the gui...
[12:52] <vmlinuz`> whats a small & fast audio program that can ran in the system tray w/o plugins
[12:52] <compwiz18> exaile
[12:52] <clarkey> lets go GUI
[12:52] <compwiz18> Listen can too I think
[12:53] <vmlinuz`> thanks, installing it now
[12:53] <vmlinuz`> i'm trying exaile
[12:53] <kyja> well I just got hear but the form of that sentance sounds like you think to fast
[12:53] <bazhang> redheat: what happenin'?
[12:53] <clarkey> bazhang lets go GUI
[12:53] <redheat> you won't believe
[12:53] <redheat> I can't format it..
[12:53] <redheat> haha
[12:54] <bazhang> clarkey: no need for all caps...
[12:54] <redheat> so I headed over to Ubuntu, and then used gparted to see what type of format it was made off...
[12:54] <bazhang> redheat: thanks be...haha
[12:54] <redheat> it turned out to be a format called, and check this out, linux-swap, I thought why not make it, for example
[12:54] <clarkey> bazhang: sry just me and my acronyms i like caps lol
[12:55] <redheat> ext3 or ext2, but no sir, the file extension give to the swap itself is called linux-swap..now if I had used gparted to change it into something else..this means I won't have a swap anymore..and this means...my system is gone
[12:56] <bazhang> clarkey: they're not popular here...look in one of the panels.. and you should see network manager, choose the option manually configure, and it will bring up a window...
[12:56] <redheat> you know it might work for someone who actually did partition the harddrive on his/her own.., but I when I install Ubuntu, I let it choose the partition and size I only just leave a part of my hard drive unpartitioned
[12:57] <kyja> !!!! Compize is rawkin for me now !!
[12:57] <redheat> and let ubuntu take full advantage of it
[12:57] <clarkey> bazhang oh if you mean assigning a static IP I have done that no luck samething
[12:57] <bazhang> redheat: just what I was trying (in vain) to warn you off..you didn't change it did you? hahaha
[12:57] <socketbind> actually i have found out what was causing the problem with network manager
[12:57] <socketbind> i totally dont get it why it was changed like this
[12:57] <redheat> nope absolutley not..
[12:57] <redheat> and you were absolutely right
[12:57] <redheat> I stand corrected..
[12:57] <bazhang> socketbind: what was the problem?
[12:58] <socketbind> the ethernet adapter was not managed
[12:58] <bazhang> clarkey: I've tried to help you out; if you don't want to follow up on it..
[12:58] <socketbind> even with auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:58] <bazhang> socketbind: that'll do it..
[12:58] <redheat> at first, when I tried to format it from windows, I was puzzled to which file extension should I format it to? NTFS, out of the question, FAT32 absolutely not..
[12:58] <socketbind> in feisty it works
[12:58] <bazhang> socketbind: it's not ifup--it's ifconfig
[12:58] <redheat> but it hit me when I came back into ubuntu to find that the linux-swap has a filextension of its own called Linux-swap..
[12:59] <socketbind> anyway i found out why
[12:59] <bazhang> and dhclient...
[12:59] <socketbind> in the debian backend
[12:59] <redheat> bzhang..thank you my friend..
[12:59] <socketbind> nm_system_device_get_disabled() marks it wrong as blacklisted
[12:59] <redheat> gotta go now, take care my friend..bye
[01:00] <kling0n> update-manager still stalls for me.... could this perhaps be due to incorrect handling of 3rd party repositories?
[01:00] <clarkey> bazhang: thanks alot for your help  I really do appreciate it but I think I will just go back to feisty..... back into my depth lol thanks again for your help
[01:00] <kling0n> the update-manager says it has disabled them but...
[01:01] <bazhang> clarkey: nice to try..sorry we didn't get it...haha
[01:01] <kling0n> I have a combination of entries in /etc/apt/sources.list and separate files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[01:01] <bazhang> kling0n: no longer necessary with Gutsy--K or U buntu?
[01:01] <kling0n> not sure whether this could be a reason for update-manager to stall though
[01:01] <clarkey> bazhang: probably just one of those bugs that u never find the cause and the next update its fixed lol
[01:02] <bazhang> clarkey: here's hoping...
[01:02] <clarkey> maybe even a kernel problem or sumfin idk i really hav no idea
[01:02] <kling0n> bazhang: originally ubuntu but with kde-desktop package installed at some point
[01:02] <clarkey> yea heres to hopeing
[01:02] <bazhang> kling0n:  are you running the GNOME desktop or the KDE desktop at the moment?
[01:03] <kling0n> gnome
[01:03] <kling0n> went back :)
[01:03] <kyja> does anyone know how to remove an extra Desktop menu item entry in the places menu?
[01:03] <kling0n> kyja: check $HOME/.menu directory
[01:03] <kling0n> kyja: back it up first though
[01:03] <vmlinuz`> i like exaile :)
[01:03] <bazhang> kling0n: with Gutsy, all those third party repositories are completely unnecessary...
[01:03] <kyja> thank you kling0n and for backup advice. I never do that
[01:04] <kling0n> bazhang: no doubt
[01:04] <kling0n> bazhang: prob is that the update-manager stalls though
[01:04] <compwiz18> on that note, does anyone know how to get only one icon per external volume to show up on my desktop?  I've got 2 external usb drives, but it shows the icon twice for one and once for the other
[01:04] <compwiz18> vmlinuz`, good :)
[01:04] <kling0n> not that I want to hang on to my 3rd party repos
[01:04] <kyja> no .menu directory though
[01:05] <kling0n> I edited the meta-release inf as directed in the gutsyupgrade wiki page
[01:05] <bazhang> kling0n: so you can't update at all--since the ISO install?
[01:06] <kling0n> I've been getting the regular updates... but the upgrade path to gutsy isn't working for me
[01:06] <compwiz18> and does anyone have an idea as to why random apps suddenly stop accepting input from my keyboard(s)?
[01:06] <kling0n> not sure what you mean by "the ISO install"
[01:06] <socketbind> in an ideal situation, what makes network-manager to manage a network interface?
[01:06] <kling0n> last iso install was 3 releases back :)
[01:06] <socketbind> listing it as auto and dhcp or completely omitting for /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:07] <kling0n> socketbind: iirc you had to omit/comment it a while back
[01:07] <kling0n> socketbind: not sure whether that's still valid though
[01:07] <compwiz18> socketbind, nm is usally happier when it's omitted afaik
[01:07] <bazhang> compwiz18: I had that same issue when I was dual booting with Windows...(not my choice.haha)--just formatted the whole deal and they went away--oops that was internal--yours are external--are they showing the various partitions of the devices? I bleieve Gusty does that now
[01:08] <socketbind> strange because in feisty it is ok to leave it auto / dhcp and it gets managed
[01:08] <compwiz18> at least, last I used it it was happier that way
[01:08] <socketbind> in gutsy, it only works when you completely omit it
[01:08] <bazhang> kling0n: uh sorry, you did update-manager -c -d from Feisty?
[01:08] <socketbind> tracked it down to the source code but i dont get it why was it changed
[01:09] <compwiz18> bazhang, I've had the same problem with internal ones too, but Ubuntu seems to be better with internal ones then Arch was, but they both want to show me icons for the external ones twice
[01:09] <kling0n> bazhang: that's the step where i'm getting the stall atm
[01:09] <kling0n> bazhang: so i'm still running feisty but upgrade path isn't working
[01:10] <bazhang> compwiz18: if you an Arch user, then you are way above my pay scale..haha..showing partitions incorrectly perhaps?
[01:10] <kling0n> i'm giving ti a trial run with an strace
[01:10] <kling0n> s/ti/it/
[01:11] <compwiz18> bazhang, was an Arch user, I wanted to try gutsy, anyway, I don't know what the issue with it is, it's just one of those things that bothers me :)
[01:11] <bazhang> kling0n: this is still beta, so straight dist-upgrade won't work until after 10/18, you need to switch to the devel branch, which is what the -d in -c -d is all about.
[01:11] <compwiz18> I got a monitor and wanted to try displayconfig so I installed Ubuntu, but displayconfig didn't work, but I'm still here anyway :P
[01:13] <bazhang> compwiz18: I have a buddy who uses Arch, and he's complaining that the others are all too slow on his machine...haha. I could never figure out how to get Arch going..very tough distro to install for a newbier user like me..
[01:13] <kling0n> bazhang: that's what bi am trying to do... results so far: "running update-manager -c -d ; select upgrade; step one completes; gets message abuot 3rd party repos being disabled; stall on file 37 or 47, alternatively,  out of 56"
[01:13] <compwiz18> bazhang, it is fast, a little tricky to setup though :)
[01:15] <bazhang> kling0n: then clearly all the third party repos have to go--there's actually a very nice gui to do it for you--and to add the third party ones from canonical that include mscorefonts, java, non-free flash, etc.
[01:16] <kling0n> bazhang: i'll give it a try
[01:16] <bazhang> kling0n: do you have a ton of personal files that prevent you from doing a fresh install from the gutsy beta.iso installer disk?
[01:17] <kling0n> bazhang: yup
[01:17] <bazhang> kling0n: not backed up?
[01:17] <kling0n> nowhere to put it :
[01:17] <kling0n> :)
[01:17] <kling0n> well.. not completely tru
[01:17] <kling0n> true
[01:17] <kling0n> i can do a backup
[01:17] <kling0n> but i want to go with an ugrade path
[01:17] <bazhang> we talking trillions of petabytes here?
[01:17] <kling0n> upgrade even
[01:17] <kling0n> hehe
[01:17] <kling0n> no
[01:18] <kling0n> 'tis a desktop system after all
[01:18] <kling0n> backup could be managed
[01:18] <kling0n> but it's not uptimal
[01:18] <kling0n> optimal
[01:18] <bazhang> there was someone on last night that had 200GB of unbacked up files that wanted to do the same as you...haha
[01:18] <compwiz18> lol bazhang, xorg.conf is something I consider very tricky ;)
[01:18] <kling0n> hehe
[01:18] <kling0n> yup
[01:18] <bazhang> ouch
[01:18] <bazhang> no doubt
[01:19] <kling0n> saw him... thing is though, if it's not working for me, there's bound to be other users who it's not working for
[01:19] <bazhang> compwiz18: what about a vanilla Gentoo install?
[01:19] <bazhang> sorry for the ot.
[01:19] <bazhang> !ot
[01:19] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:19] <compwiz18> bazhang, never tried :D
[01:19] <compwiz18> right then, back on topic
[01:19] <bazhang> my bad...
[01:20] <compwiz18> is there a graphical backup utility somewhere?
[01:20] <kling0n> where do I but a bug report against update-manager ?
[01:20] <compwiz18> that supports cron jobs?
[01:20] <kling0n> launchad i know. butb is there a separate section for gutsy?
[01:20] <bazhang> compwiz18: for Kubuntu it
[01:20] <bazhang> s called Kcron I beleivve
[01:21] <bazhang> sorry about the page break, new keyboard.
[01:21] <bazhang> !enter
[01:21] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:21] <bazhang> kling0n: it's all one.
[01:21] <compwiz18> lol, at least your keyboard works, ubuntu doesn't like mine today for some reason
[01:21] <bazhang> haha
[01:21] <compwiz18> esp gimp
[01:22] <bazhang> back up system under KDE is called Keep, not sure about GNOME...
[01:23] <bazhang> so there must be one, just scroll around in your menu..
[01:23] <compwiz18> I think I'll just stick to the rsync + cron job idea
[01:24] <bazhang> kling0n: did you try that GUI repo manager in synaptic/adept.
[01:24] <bazhang> compwiz18: sounds like a plan.
[01:24] <bazhang> hi effie_jayx
[01:24] <kling0n> bazhang: nope
[01:24] <compwiz18> yep, it worked well so far, thanks for the ideas tho
[01:24] <kling0n> bazhang: it's a tweaked system ... 3rd party repos, custom kernel etc
[01:24] <bazhang> compwiz18: sorry I'm not more helpful today, not enough caffeine.
[01:25] <compwiz18> bazhang, no problem :)
[01:25] <bazhang> kling0n: you should still be able to switch to the gutsy repos
[01:25] <bazhang> !upgrade
[01:25] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:26] <nikin> hy
[01:26] <compwiz18> gotta love the /etc/cron.daily folder :D
[01:26] <bazhang> hi nikin
[01:26] <nikin> hy bazhang
[01:26] <bazhang> hehe
[01:26] <bazhang> what's your question nikin?
[01:28] <nikin> i have a problem.... i updated, and now only my / gets mounted.. nothing else... and i can not mount them later manualy... i looked az dmesg.. and i get a lot of device-mapper errors about error adding target to table ... dm-linear: device lookup failed .... any ideaaas?
[01:28] <kling0n> bazhang: thanks i'll give it a whirl
[01:30] <kyja> this might be a stupid question.... will the beta update to the distro automaticly or do we have to do a dist-upgrade command again later?
[01:30] <bazhang> jucato?
[01:31] <avatar_> compwiz18: try Pybackpack
[01:31] <kling0n> bazhang: I can get a distribution upgrade done through synaptic?
[01:32] <bazhang> kling0n: you can uncheck all those problematic repos for starters.
[01:32] <nikin> and the other thing that is not working, but its the minor problem, that vga=791 does not work in grub
[01:33] <bazhang> nikin: so your computer is unusable?
[01:33] <avatar_> compwiz18: pybackpack is a nice graphical backup utility. Easy wizzard for backup your entrire home directory to cdr
[01:33] <kling0n> bazhang: done... update-manager still stalls though
[01:33] <nikin> it is usable to the point i can boot it and use CLI
[01:34] <nikin> but my /home is not mounted
[01:34] <nikin> nor is the swap and my data partition
[01:34] <nikin> so i can run programs as root
[01:34] <avatar_> compwiz18: but backup on a remote host over ssh is also an option
[01:34] <nikin> i even can chat as you see :)
[01:34] <compwiz18> avatar_, sounds good, its installing now
[01:34] <kling0n> put a bugreport here with attached strace https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/150528
[01:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150528 in update-manager "Gutsy upgrade path from feisty fails (update-manager)" [Undecided,New] 
[01:35] <bazhang> kling0n: have you tried this: sudo apt-get update gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[01:35] <daminator> hi! i have kubuntu 7.10! i followed this tutorial
[01:35] <daminator> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:35] <daminator> it can't start, because it sais i need "XGL"
[01:35] <daminator> is there a tutorial for setting up xgl?
[01:35] <SlimeyPete> !xgl
[01:35] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:35] <daminator> i have an ATI card with the original drivers
[01:36] <bazhang> nikin: I'm just an early riser newbier (not total newbie, but close), so if you can chat from the cli, you should wait until the heavy armor arrives..haha
[01:36] <daminator> thx^
[01:36] <Pici> daminator: Install the xgl xserver component and it should work automagically.
[01:36] <kling0n> bazhang: not on one line... but yes
[01:36] <nikin> bazhang: then i hope the cavalary comes asap :D
[01:37] <bazhang> kling0n: how about in the alt + f2 gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[01:38] <kling0n> bazhang: it's not a rights issue
[01:38] <compwiz18> avatar_, does pybackpack run as root when it backs up?
[01:38] <kling0n> hang on
[01:38] <bazhang> kling0n: then we have hit the very limits of my (severely limited) suggestion pool...
[01:38] <kling0n> bazhang: :) i appreciate it :)
[01:38] <bazhang> nikin: you did an upgrade via the console..right?
[01:39] <kling0n> basically it seems to stall on specific fetches
[01:39] <avatar_> compwiz18: by default it wil run as the user you are starting it
[01:39] <kling0n> only there's no good way of telling which apparently
[01:40] <compwiz18> avatar_, ok, I would like it to run as root every night, but it's python, so it's fixable :)
[01:40] <avatar_> running it from cron is an option
[01:40] <kling0n> nikin: do you have your partitions listed in /dev/hd*
[01:40] <bazhang> kling0n: if you could narrow it down to which ones it stalled on, then you would be home free..I beleive that the sources list or metapackage for that has changed since Feisty...
[01:40] <nikin> bazhang : no
[01:40] <nikin> kling0n: yes... but if i try to do anything to them i get that they are busy
[01:40] <kling0n> bazhang: indeed... but there isn't relaly any useable output
[01:40] <nikin> azhang: i used update-manager -d
[01:41] <compwiz18> avatar_, really, I'll have to look harder :)
[01:41] <kling0n> nikin: output of 'mount' ?
[01:41] <nikin> kling0n: 1 sec
[01:41] <kling0n> nikin: you can try 'lsof' | grep mount point also
[01:41] <kling0n> nikin: in pastebin btw
[01:41] <nikin> kling0n: i cannot pastebin from CLI
[01:42] <kling0n> nikin hmm
[01:42] <nikin> bytheway mount tells me that it is either mounted or the tzarget folder is busy.... but i tryed with newly created folder and did nothing
[01:42] <nikin> if i do "mount"
[01:43] <avatar_> compwiz18: running it from cron is not an option in the gui.
[01:43] <kling0n> nikin: http://www.slackwiki.org/Console-Only_Communication#Using_lynx_in_conjuction_with_pastebin
[01:43] <nikin> non of the partitions is listed , just the first one wich is /
[01:43] <bazhang> kling0n: I could look at my own sources list via console, and then tell you what to copy into yours, if you wish..just trying to remember the command sudo kate apt/sources.list.d?
[01:43] <kling0n> nikin: ok
[01:44] <kling0n> bazhang: if you could /msg me contents of '/etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:44] <bazhang> kling0n: is it sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:44] <kling0n> nikin: and output from sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt is what?
[01:44] <bazhang> to look at it?
[01:44] <kling0n> bazhang: no need to sudo unless you're going to edit it :)
[01:45] <kling0n> bazhang: but yes
[01:46] <vmlinuz`> hey can exaile check what my ipod has, or even can i use it to transfer songs to my ipod?
[01:47] <sn00py> hi! i have a problem! -_- i have kubuntu 7.10 and i wanted to install compiz! so i installed "xserver-xgl" with apt-get and now after i log in (in kdm) nothing happens!
[01:47] <nikin> kling0n: i used sda3 , and the output is: /dev/sda3 is either mounted or /mnt is busy
[01:47] <sn00py> my kde desktop doens't appear anymore
[01:47] <sn00py> what can i do?
[01:47] <nikin> umount /dev/sda3 tels me that it is not mounted
[01:47] <sn00py> i have an ati card and the newest original drivers
[01:47] <kling0n> nikin: which device is mounted as /
[01:47] <nikin> sda1
[01:47] <sn00py> in the wikipedia tutorial it is said that after installing xserver-xgl i have nothing to do anymore it should work
[01:48] <kling0n> nikin: and which device holds your /home ?
[01:48] <nikin> sda5
[01:48] <vmlinuz`> so can it?
[01:48] <bazhang> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse, deb-src (ditto) then the same, but gutsy-updates kling0n
[01:48] <nikin> wich is not mounted
[01:48] <kling0n> bazhang: just those two lines?
[01:48] <bazhang> check the pm
[01:49] <kling0n> got it :)
[01:49] <bazhang> cool
[01:49] <nikin> kling0n: sda2 is SWAP
[01:49] <bazhang> there are some third party ones as well, but when you get those, then you will be in Gutsy, and can add them via the gui kling0n
[01:50] <nikin> sda3 is my data partition
[01:50] <bazhang> those = ones I gave you, them = other ones 3rd party kling0n
[01:50] <sn00py> can't anybody help me :(
[01:51] <bazhang> what's the prob sn00py?
[01:52] <kling0n> bazhang: I dont normally do package management in guis :)
[01:52] <bazhang> kling0n: a step down for the mighty, but seems like a decent workaround--here's hoping..haha
[01:52] <nikin> kling0n: i also checked my fstab and the UUID -s look correct, and the mountpoints also
[01:52] <kling0n> i figured out the problem i think
[01:52] <sn00py> I installed "xserver-xgl" with aptget and now my KDE desktop doesn't appear anymore after i log in with KDM!
[01:53] <kling0n> backports in feisty makes update-manager try to fetch backports for gutsy
[01:53] <sn00py> i have gutsy and ati with the newest original drivers
[01:53] <bazhang> sn00py: sounds bad--any xorg doctors in the house?
[01:54] <sn00py> i will try to remove them. i took the newest ati drivers from ati.com maybe i should take the one from ubuntu repo?
[01:54] <nikin> kling0n: the strange thing is that if i boot with the .20 kernel, they work like a charm
[01:54] <bazhang> kling0n: nikin? xorg woes help?
[01:54] <compwiz18> sn00py, ya gots fglrx?
[01:54] <nikin> kling0n: and all these device-mapper errors i get with .22
[01:54] <sn00py> i removed xgl and now i can log in again... but  ineed xgl for compiz
[01:55] <compwiz18> sn00py, that's true, what card do you have?
[01:55] <kling0n> nikin: custom built ?
[01:55] <nikin> kling0n: no.. everything is stock
[01:55] <sn00py> radeon xpress 1100 (notebook)
[01:55] <nikin> both .20 and .22
[01:55] <bazhang> nikin: you are a god.
[01:55] <compwiz18> sn00py, fglrx?
[01:56] <nikin> bazhang: why?
[01:56] <kling0n> nikin: hmm check your filesystem support in kernel
[01:56] <kling0n> make menuconfig
[01:56] <kling0n> and go look yo make sure you have native ext3 supprot
[01:56] <bazhang> nikin: cmon cli chatting?
[01:56] <kling0n> and sda devices :)
[01:56] <kling0n> s/rot/ort/
[01:56] <kling0n> argh
[01:56] <kling0n> my typing is bad today
[01:56] <kling0n> need more coffee
[01:56] <sn00py> fglrx yes, the 8.37.6 ati driver
[01:56] <bazhang> haha
[01:56] <nikin> kling0n: it should be default in ubuntu kernels not?
[01:57] <kling0n> update-manager is running!
[01:57] <kling0n>  :)
[01:57] <bazhang> yesss!
[01:57] <kling0n> nikin: indeed
[01:57] <sn00py> i could try to install the older ati driver, the one from the repo
[01:57] <kling0n> nikin: *if* you remembered to copy /boot/.config to /usr/src/linux
[01:57] <sn00py> i you have no other idea
[01:57] <bazhang> sn00py: it's worth a shot.
[01:57] <compwiz18> sn00py, you have gutsy? 8.37.6 is in the repo
[01:58] <kling0n> or you're using a kernel source package from the repos (i believe)
[01:58] <kling0n> but copying the config is a way to be sure
[01:58] <bazhang> !xgl
[01:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:58] <nikin> kling0n: i think there is a misunderstanding .... i think... i ame using the ubuntu kernels... no custom builds (yet)
[01:58] <kling0n> ah
[01:58] <kling0n> hm
[01:58] <sn00py> really? okay so that isn't the cause of the problem
[01:58] <nikin> kling0n: does the device mapper has a separete log from dmesg?
[01:59] <compwiz18> sn00py, there's a trick to setting up xgl I think , although its been a while since I've done it
[01:59] <kling0n> nikin: not sure
[01:59] <bazhang> sn00py:  I think this is an issue for #ubuntu-effects...
[01:59] <sn00py> okay i'll give a try
[01:59] <kling0n> nikin: but if the device shows up you should have device support
[01:59] <compwiz18> sn00py, that would be a place to go
[01:59] <kling0n> nikin: no dmesg errors ?
[01:59] <nikin> kling0n: they show up, but they are all busy
[01:59] <nikin> kling0n: a lot of dmesg errors :D about 10 :D
[02:00] <nikin> all about device-mapper Error adding target to table  ... device lookup failed
[02:00] <kling0n> nikin: sdparm might be able to eget you some info on the devices
[02:01] <kling0n> bah 10mbit down is too little for an upgrade
[02:01] <nikin> kling0n: and i ame sure that theese device-mapper errors are my partitions coz they come right after mapping sda1
[02:02] <bazhang> kling0n: but it's working?
[02:02] <compwiz18> my oo.o spell check isn't work, any ideas?
[02:02] <kling0n> nikin: are you using evms ?
[02:02] <kling0n> bazhang: seems to be
[02:02] <bazhang> woot!
[02:02] <kling0n> so replacing with a valid apt source list from gutsy did the trick
[02:03] <kling0n> bazhang: wasn't my 3rd party repos though
[02:03] <bazhang> yahooey!
[02:03] <nikin> kling0n: evms starts right befor the crash.
[02:03] <bazhang> kling0n: good to know.
[02:03] <kling0n> nikin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[02:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,Fix released] 
[02:03] <nikin> kling0n: i can not compy links :)
[02:04] <nikin> ok i got it
[02:04] <bullgard4> How can I determine if I have enough free disk space on my partitions in order to upgrade from Ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10?
[02:04] <Xbehave> ive installed compiz on kubuntu gusty ( only because beryl wasnt there) but now emerald cant find any themes, i have svn but it just doesnt work
[02:05] <nanonyme> why not compiz-fusion?
[02:05] <bazhang> Xbehave: that's an issue for #ubuntu-effects methinks...
[02:05] <nanonyme> and yes, that channel indeed
[02:05] <kling0n> nikin: run gpm
[02:06] <kling0n> nikin: its a console mouse server
[02:06] <nanonyme> but compiz-fusion is something like compiz+beryl as far as i've heard
[02:06] <kling0n> nikin: :)
[02:06] <Xbehave> well its todo with gusty, and svn more than compiz
[02:06] <nikin> kling0n: i got it already.. just it is a long time i worked without basic X :D
[02:06] <nikin> things are floating back to my mind slowly :d
[02:07] <Xbehave> compiz-fusion is basically compiz but with a couple of beryl extensions but removing alot of the "hacks" that made it work
[02:07] <nikin> then the hovering toughts go down on my arm and pres the middle mouse button to compy :P
[02:07] <nikin> -m
[02:07] <Pici> Xbehave: I dont think that the emerald svn theme finder thing works anymore. I think I saw a bug about it,.
[02:08] <nikin> then i shut down evms and see if it helps
[02:08] <Xbehave> gpl themes should be in repos
[02:09] <Xbehave> that way this wouldnt be an issue and svn wouldnt be needed, i think this is what happend in fiesty
[02:18] <nikin> back
[02:18] <compwiz18> why does gtk hate my keyboard today? :(
[02:18] <nikin> removing evms solved the problem :D now i have my home back :D
[02:18] <compwiz18> gtk text widgets just randomly stop taking my input
[02:19] <compwiz18> hmpf.
[02:21] <Xbehave> !evms
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <Xbehave> !lvm
[02:21] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[02:22] <Xbehave> could a link to the bug report or something to say "if you system just broke, uninstal evms if your not using it(not ubuntus fault blame linus)"
[02:25] <compwiz18> !evm > compwiz18
[02:25] <compwiz18> hm
[02:25] <compwiz18> what is evm?
[02:26] <compwiz18> EVM: Earned Value Management <== maybe not the Ubuntu definition
[02:26] <compwiz18> !evms > compwiz18
[02:27] <kling0n> nikin: glad to hear it
[02:27] <kling0n> oh
[02:31] <bazhang> kling0n: how'd it go?
[02:31] <kling0n> fetching done.... preparing packages now :)
[02:31] <bazhang> kling0n: unbelievable!!! yessss!
[02:32] <bazhang> welcome to Gutsy Gibbon, the finest OS on the planet...haha
[02:33] <bazhang> nikin are you sorted?
[02:34] <reverseblade> Hello when I enable 3D effects for my nvidia card it says it requires restart and than I fall back to bullet proof x manager
[02:35] <bazhang> reverseblade: have you been to #ubuntu-effects? they can probably help you a bit better..
[02:35] <reverseblade> okay
[02:35] <_dan_> check xorg.log
[02:40] <phaidros> hi, since some update gutsy doesn't boot anymore. I think it has something to do with the initrd, but cannot confirm.
[02:40] <snadge> phaidros: i think some people have reported that you have to manually update-grub
[02:40] <phaidros> strangely boot always stops after detecting scsi devices .. any hints what to do?
[02:41] <phaidros> snadge: nope, grub is up to date ..
[02:41] <spr0k3t> alright then... I'm bound and determined to get my sound working if these updates don't fix it.
[02:41] <spr0k3t> oh yeah... morning everyone
[02:41] <gunny> phaidros: as in manally edit it...
[02:41] <snadge> yeah but after installing the new version of grub.. run update-grub.. also, it may possibly be a kernel issue
[02:42] <phaidros> as ubuntu grub handles all kernels in /boot and therefore affects my debian kernel as well - the problem is the same to that kernel as well.
[02:42] <phaidros> ah, ok. so I try update-grub then ..
[02:42] <bazhang> spr0k3t: tell me about it, I've been without these last two 'upgrades'..haha
[02:43] <spr0k3t> soundblaster audigy?
[02:43] <bazhang> intel
[02:43] <tezem> The new keyring manager should be able to run without password from boot if I select the checkbox but I have to give the password twice and on the next boot I need to make it again. Does anybody know whats wrong there?
[02:44] <spr0k3t> ah, nods
[02:44] <spr0k3t> tezem: just noticed the keyring in the updates this morning...
[02:45] <tezem> spr0k3t: ?
[02:45] <spr0k3t> meaning, I haven't had a chance to look at it.
[02:48] <spr0k3t> ah yes... good morning Hobbsee.
[02:49] <bazhang> good morning Hobbsee!
[02:49] <OpenSorce> good morning folks
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:50] <spr0k3t> So anyway, now that everyone is here... let's get started.  Hobbsee, are you doing moderation?
[02:50] <spr0k3t> j/k
[02:50] <OpenSorce> in 6.06 my wlan1 worked great....saw my network, connected etc....in gutsy the little wlan config app sees the if, tries to connect it then nada....what am I doing wrong?
[02:50] <bazhang> 266 nicks (1 op)
[02:51] <OpenSorce> I've tried the manually configure option but it doesn't even show that if...
[02:51] <spr0k3t> 267 actually... I have a nick sitting across from my desk.
[02:51] <bazhang> OpenSorce: are you ok using the command line?
[02:51] <phaidros> ok, as expected, update-grub doesn't solve the problem.
[02:52] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I prefer it
[02:52] <phaidros> boot stops always at cdrom detection, and there are some occurencies of: "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = ... ns )
[02:52] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: :)
[02:52] <bazhang> sudo ifconfig what does it say?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> bazhang: there are always more ops
[02:52] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I've done ifconfig wlan1 192.168.1.103 and route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[02:53] <phaidros> even if I throw out the cd device (thinkpad) ..
[02:53] <phaidros> ah, stop
[02:53] <phaidros> now I got something :)
[02:53] <bazhang> Hobbsee: good to know..
[02:53] <phaidros> check root= bootarg .. since when is grub not recognizing /dev/sdaX devices anymore as root??
[02:54] <tezem> spr0k3t: Ah ok I saw the following on gnome: "In GNOME 2.20, the keyring is unlocked automatically when you login and when you unlock your screen, avoiding the need for an extra password prompt. Note, however, that this feature requires some work by your distribution."
[02:54] <tezem> So I can expect it in the final release right?
[02:54] <OpenSorce> bazhang, well it shows the ip addy bcast and mask all normal
[02:54] <bazhang> OpenSorce: what does iwconfig show?
[02:54] <spr0k3t> tezem: did Miguel code that one?
[02:54] <kling0n> phaidros: vol_id is your friend
[02:55] <OpenSorce> bazhang, lo, eth1 and wlan1 "no wireless extensions"
[02:55] <tezem> spr0k3t: Don't know why does it matter?
[02:55] <Konam> with compiz my desktop is only showed in the workspace 1, how can I change this?
[02:55] <kling0n> get the volume UUID for your boot partition and place it in your /boot/grub/menu.list default options
[02:55] <bazhang> kling0n: you added the 3rd party repos yet?
[02:55] <Aasimar> Hello
[02:55] <kling0n> bazhang: no
[02:55] <kling0n> bazhang: upgrading
[02:55] <kling0n> I have a lot of packages
[02:55] <bazhang> still?
[02:55] <phaidros> kling0n: yes, but because its not human readable I always preferred sdaX so far ..
[02:55] <spr0k3t> tezem: nah, not really... just not a big fan of Miguel is all.  he gave me mono once
[02:55] <kling0n> phaidros: same here
[02:55] <kling0n> phaidros: had to learn about it though
[02:55] <kling0n> phaidros: in moving my root partition a cpl of weeks back :)
[02:56] <phaidros> kling0n: ok, now how do I get the vol_id when booting a live cd ??
[02:56] <phaidros> kling0n: where do you move your root partition ??
[02:56] <kling0n> vol_id <devicename>
[02:56] <spr0k3t> tezem: but question though, what extra password prompt are they going over?  not su I would imagine.
[02:56] <phaidros> kling0n: and that vol_id is now neccessary in menu.lst as well as fstab?
[02:57] <bazhang> brb
[02:57] <kling0n> phaidros: if you place it in your grub menu file in the default option it puts it as a the root argument when you run update-grub
[02:57] <kling0n> phaidros: might have to update initramfs too
[02:57] <Aasimar> Am I allowed to ask tech support here?
[02:58] <spr0k3t> ask away Aasimar, I'm sure someone may be able to help.
[02:58] <phaidros> kling0n: whata nightmare .. who killed the backwards compatibility anyway?? lol
[02:58] <tezem> spr0k3t: I get a new prompt where I have a checkbox to automatically open the keyring when I get into gnome but this doesn't work right now as there is some work to be done within the distribution.
[02:58] <kling0n> phaidros: indeed
[02:58] <kling0n> phaidros: initramfs has some partition specifics in it
[02:58] <Aasimar> Well I installed gutsy 2 days ago, and haven't been able to get my wireless card working, a friend sent me here, said i might get help
[02:58] <spr0k3t> tezem: which distribution, gutsy?
[02:58] <phaidros> kling0n: especially in for resume .. garn
[02:59] <kling0n> phaidros: in principle you could replace root arg with /dev/sdX and just update initramfs
[02:59] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: which wireless chipset?
[02:59] <kling0n> phaidros: but vol_id can help you if that doesn't work
[02:59] <tezem> spr0k3t: sure, only gutsy has gnome 2.20 and we are here in ubuntu+1 :-)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> tezem: you would be suprised
[02:59] <spr0k3t> tezem: odd, do you know of anyone else getting the same thing?
[03:00] <phaidros> kling0n: nope that was what I did always by hand, but since I changed the kopt line ( as I remember now, lol) it doesn't boot anymore
[03:00] <Aasimar> A smc card, if that helps?
[03:00] <spr0k3t> gnomefreak has secretly replaced his folgers crystals with Gentoo
[03:00] <gnomefreak> ;)
[03:00] <tezem> spr0k3t: no but haven't searched yet
[03:00] <kling0n> phaidros: did you change your boot partition ?
[03:00] <phaidros> kling0n: nope
[03:00] <kling0n> hm
[03:01] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: not much... open up a terminal and type "lspci | grep Network"
[03:01] <kling0n> !update-initramfs > phaidros
[03:01] <phaidros> kling0n: doesn't work :)
[03:01] <kling0n> heh
[03:02] <kling0n> did you try updating it ?
[03:02] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: if that doesn't work, replace Network with "Ethernet"
[03:02] <Aasimar> Cant send private messages, and i dont want to copypaste big output, what do I need to look for?
[03:02] <phaidros> kling0n: updating what?
[03:02] <kling0n> hmm just about all pam-related packages are failing in my current upgrade
[03:02] <kling0n> i sure hope this will work
[03:02] <spr0k3t> !paste
[03:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:02] <Aasimar> grep network still loading
[03:02] <kling0n> phaidros: sudo update-initramfs
[03:02] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: use the pastebin and post the link back to the channel
[03:03] <phaidros> kling0n: did that, no change ..
[03:03] <kling0n> phaidros: where does it stop ?
[03:03] <phaidros> kling0n: I'm finding out the vol_id now and replace them everywhere I exchanged to sdaX :)
[03:03] <kling0n> phaidros: try removing the splah quiet kopts
[03:03] <gnomefreak> try the -u flag see if that helps
[03:03] <kling0n> splash even
[03:03] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: also, keep in mind the case sensitivity
[03:03] <phaidros> kling0n: I see only things when removeing quiet splash _and_ vga as well ..
[03:04] <kling0n> phaidros: remember to place it in the default options (entries with only one '#' in them in /boot/grub/menu file)
[03:04] <phaidros> kling0n: than it stop after recognizing sdc (cd-rw)
[03:04] <kling0n> have you got evms installed?
[03:04] <phaidros> kling0n: after a while I get the initramfs busybox, yelling about root= and some more
[03:04] <Aasimar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39948/
[03:04] <kling0n>  phaidros ok
[03:04] <kling0n> phaidros: probably root device related then
[03:05] <phaidros> kling0n: ah! good point, that was a while ago a problem, maybe it came in by a dependency again ..
[03:05] <tezem> spr0k3t: maybe it's just a big in connection with networkmanger
[03:05] <kling0n> you should be able to use the root/devsdX and update initramfs
[03:05] <phaidros> kling0n: (evms)
[03:05] <Aasimar> I also have an ethernet device, but I can't connect it
[03:05] <Aasimar> Need to use wireless
[03:05] <OpenSorce> anybody want to help me with this wlan issue while baz is afk?
[03:05] <spr0k3t> tezem: either that or seahorse
[03:05] <spr0k3t> that's a keyring manager system
[03:05] <phaidros> kling0n: yeah I used sdaX in menu.lst as well as initramfs settings and it does not boot .. *loogking for evms now
[03:05] <kling0n> phaidros: not sure whether initramfs refers to uuids or devices
[03:05] <kling0n> phaidros:  ok
[03:06] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: hmm... 5005 device.
[03:06] <phaidros> kling0n: no evms ..
[03:06] <tezem> spr0k3t: hmm yes that's it maybe because I get two prompts and I guess the first one is the gnome one and the second the one from seahorse but isn't it the same program?
[03:06] <kling0n> Aasimar: does yuur wireless show up in output from ifconfig and iwconfig ?
[03:07] <kling0n> phaidros: update uuids and rebuild initramfs
[03:07] <kling0n> remember to fix the default entry in grubs menu file
[03:07] <Aasimar> yeah
[03:07] <kling0n> and run update-grub
[03:07] <Aasimar> Im on feisty live cd right now though
[03:07] <kling0n> Aasimar: so where are you experiencing problems?
[03:07] <Aasimar> Gutsy
[03:07] <spr0k3t> tezem: I don't think it's the same system... I think it's a different subset.
[03:07] <phaidros> kling0n: step by step now. in #kopt I have root=/dev/sda5, nothing else changed.
[03:07] <kling0n> phaidros: o
[03:07] <kling0n> ok
[03:07] <phaidros> kling0n: yeah I do UUID now :/
[03:08] <OpenSorce> okay....guys if anybody can help with this wlan issue, I'd really appreciate it
[03:08] <tezem> spr0k3t: no Seahorse is gpg and ssh keys only don't think it gets into the way of gnome keyring manager
[03:08] <spr0k3t> kling0n: what does update-grub achieve?
[03:08] <kyja> does someone have a nice collection of nautilus-action scripts?
[03:08] <kling0n> phaidros: i dont like it either but I had to get it to work
[03:08] <kling0n> spr0k3t: basically just applies your default kopts to grubs menu file
[03:08] <kyja> not the script folder scripts but for the actions menu
[03:08] <spr0k3t> ah, nods
[03:08] <kling0n> phaidros: might want to do a grub-install too
[03:08] <kling0n> phaidros: if the version changed
[03:09] <rico> hey, is anyone getting bad speeds with torrents too? (I've tried azureus, deluge and ktorrent)
[03:09] <kling0n> phaidros: not sure whether it'll achieve anything though
[03:09] <spr0k3t> and to update the uuid?
[03:09] <phaidros> kling0n: ok, thanks.
[03:09] <spr0k3t> command wise?
[03:09] <phaidros> spr0k3t: uuid .. talking to me?
[03:09] <kling0n> spr0k3t: as far as I've gone into it uuid for a volume is changed when you do a newfs
[03:09] <spr0k3t> anyone really
[03:09] <bazhang> OpenSorce: hang on a sec
[03:09] <OpenSorce> bazhang, okay
[03:09] <kling0n> but you can get the voluime id by using the command vol_id <device>
[03:10] <Aasimar> rico, torrents aren't the fastest way to download, theyre meant to take off the pressure from a single download server
[03:10] <phaidros> yes, but itrs very unhandy not *seeing* which partition it is :(
[03:10] <kling0n> Aasimar: did you try defining an access point through iwconfig ?
[03:10] <kling0n> phaidros: I agree
[03:10] <Aasimar> How do I do that?
[03:10] <kling0n> phaidros: shows up correctly in mtab though
[03:10] <OpenSorce> bazhang, going for a smoke...bbi 2 minutes
[03:11] <kling0n> Aasimar: "man iwconfig"
[03:11] <Aasimar> I didnt get a wifi output on gutsy btw
[03:11] <spr0k3t> Aasimar: depends on the torrent
[03:12] <rico> Aasimar, I have a dual boot machine, when I download from my Windows installation I get decent 40k/s speeds average, even going to 200k/s sometimes
[03:12] <rico> Aasimar, but when I boot to gutsy I only get 10kb/s maximum
[03:12] <phaidros> kling0n: I see now a problem: I changed kopt as well as kopt_2_6 to root=/dev/sdaX, but kopt got changed back to the UUID by some package update (kernel? grub?), but kopt_2_6 is still sdaX .. this might confuse mkinitrd ..
[03:12] <Aasimar> Should I log onto the net from another comp so I can boot Gutsy and work from there?
[03:12] <kling0n> phaidros: it gets changed by update-grub
[03:12] <kling0n> phaidros: go look for the root option in the menu file
[03:12] <rico> even utorrent under wine has bad speeds (yes I set up port forwarding)
[03:12] <kling0n> with one #
[03:12] <spr0k3t> rico: it's not a fault of gutsy... I average about 200-300k/s on a good torrent
[03:12] <kling0n> two ## are comments
[03:13] <kling0n> one # are applied as default options when running update-grub
[03:13] <bastid_raZor> heh funny how the OS gets blamed for crappy torrent speeds
[03:13] <spr0k3t> rico: of course it greatly depends on the torrent
[03:13] <rico> spr0k3t, any clue to where I can start looking? I downloaded the same torrents in my testing just to be fair
[03:13] <bastid_raZor> rico: maybe on your upload side you sent bad packets and were banned on several ip's
[03:14] <phaidros> kling0n: yes I know. but if I set a #kopt as well as #kopt_2_6 I don't want any process to change that .. or should I?
[03:14] <spr0k3t> rico: sure... start with using a non-standard port... somewhere in the upper 32000 ranges.
[03:14] <Aasimar> rico, try a torrent with as many uploaders as possible, and as few downlaoders as possible
[03:14] <Aasimar> I also think theres a plugin that chooses uploaders that are close to you
[03:14] <kling0n> phaidros: sorry didnt understand that :)
[03:14] <phaidros> and kling0n, kopt_2_6 is assigned to the kernel entries, but somehow initrd is confused I suggest ..
[03:14] <Aasimar> Should be faster then
[03:14] <bazhang> OpenSorce: you back yet?
[03:15] <Whitor> Hi, I'm trying to update a package and I keep getting: Depends: libc6 (>=2.6.1-1) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is to be installed     How can I get the latest libc?
[03:15] <spr0k3t> fastest torrent I've ever seen averaged 1.2mbit/s
[03:15] <kling0n> phaidros: I agree
[03:15] <spr0k3t> but that was at work.
[03:15] <kling0n> phaidros: get the default options right and rebuild correct initrd
[03:15] <phaidros> kling0n: I set by hand kopt & kopt_2_6 (the latter is the only important here imho), why the heck is update-grub changing the former back to UUID? and: might the difference in those lines then confuse initramfs ?
[03:16] <kling0n> phaidros: pastebin menu file pls
[03:16] <Aasimar> spr0k3t, ill be right back, will log onto irc from my laptop
[03:16] <OpenSorce> bazhang, yeah man
[03:16] <phaidros> where is ubuntu pastebin ?
[03:16] <spr0k3t> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:16] <OpenSorce> bazhang, sorry to keep you waiting
[03:17] <bazhang> OpenSorce: so iwconfig did not recognize that you had a wireless card? or did it
[03:17] <bastid_raZor> warning: could not initiate dbus  .. i get this error when attempting to upgrade to gutsy
[03:17] <kling0n> bastid_raZor: not an important error though
[03:17] <OpenSorce> bazhang, it showed the interface and said "no wireless extensions"
[03:18] <bazhang> OpenSorce: and this worked with Feisty, right?
[03:18] <OpenSorce> bazhang, worked with 6.06 LTS :-)
[03:18] <bastid_raZor> kling0n: a friend had the same error and now while the upgrade went fine cups now gives him problems
[03:18] <bazhang> OpenSorce: how did you upgrade this? from ISO fresh install, or update-manager?
[03:18] <kling0n> bazhang: I have a bunch of failed packages too
[03:19] <OpenSorce> bazhang, iso
[03:19] <bazhang> kling0n: upgrade failed?
[03:19] <kling0n> no
[03:19] <kling0n> just a cpl of failed packages
[03:19] <bazhang> OpenSorce: did the wlan work in liveCD mode?
[03:19] <kling0n> i'll look into it when it's finished
[03:19] <kling0n> kinda worrying though... pam modules are failing
[03:19] <bastid_raZor> all issues should be fixed.. 10 big days left~!
[03:19] <bazhang> kling0n: uhoh
[03:19] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I got the alt-install iso....no livecd afaik
[03:20] <bazhang> OpenSorce: what's the card?
[03:20] <bazhang> 10/18!
[03:20] <Pierre> QoD, will we have CD install for gutsy? I mean before the final release?
[03:20] <OpenSorce> bazhang, it's a usb DLink older DWL-120+
[03:21] <bazhang> OpenSorce: I've had tons of issues with usb wireless devices..what does lspci say with it plugged in?
[03:21] <bazhang> or is that lsusb?
[03:21] <WaltzingAlong> lsusb
[03:22] <spr0k3t> ^^^
[03:22] <bazhang> okay thanks WaltzingAlong.
[03:22] <OpenSorce> bazhang, would lspci show me usb devices?
[03:22] <Whitor> Hi, a package that I'm using requires me to use the gutsy beta... How do I upgrade from feisty?
[03:22] <bazhang> OpenSorce: lsusb, my bad.
[03:23] <WaltzingAlong> Whitor: mostly you wait a few days / 2 weeks; otherwise update-manager -c -d -p
[03:23] <OpenSorce> bazhang, yeah it does
[03:23] <Whitor> WaltzingAlong: Thank you
[03:23] <bazhang> OpenSorce: what does lsusb say about the device?
[03:24] <OpenSorce> bazhang, Buss 001 Device 004 ID 2001:3b00 D-Link Corp. {hex}
[03:25] <OpenSorce> s/buss/bus
[03:25] <OpenSorce> bazhang, the app sees it and tries to configure it....it just isn't connecting it to the router
[03:26] <OpenSorce> bazhang, hmm.....when I hover over the systray icon it says "wired ethernet connection active: wlan1"
[03:27] <kling0n> phaidros: ?
[03:27] <OpenSorce> bazhang, doesn't show in "Manual Configuration" though
[03:28] <bazhang> OpenSorce: so you can access the internet through it?
[03:29] <OpenSorce> bazhang, normally, yes....right now with Gutsy, no
[03:29] <Aasmar> ok im back
[03:29] <bazhang> OpenSorce: try this in the konsole: sudo lshw -C network
[03:29] <bazhang> OpenSorce: what does that say?
[03:29] <phaidros> kling0n: hehe, still transferring from a non bootable machine via umts .. quirky ;) .. sry, one more minute ..
[03:29] <spr0k3t> "The program 'konsole' is not currently installed.
[03:30] <OpenSorce> bazhang, a ton of stuff.....what are we look for in particular?
[03:30] <Aasmar> spr0ket, I used "man iwconfig"
[03:30] <Aasmar> What do I do now?
[03:30] <kling0n> phaidros: okies
[03:31] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: where are you with the connectivity, any luck with the wireless?
[03:31] <Aasmar> no
[03:31] <Kebinusan> Im having some weird video playback issues where periodically my video gets corrupt like this until I restart X or change my refresh rate or something: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2757/screenshotgd8.png Any ideas?
[03:31] <Aasmar> It detects my ethernet device, but not wifi
[03:31] <spr0k3t> let me check something really quick... AR5005... brb
[03:31] <kling0n> Kebinusan: which video driver are you using ?
[03:32] <bazhang> OpenSorce: it seems that the system is reading your card as the ethernet device, can you get an ethernet cable and install the following: linux-wlan-ng?
[03:32] <Kebinusan> nvidia-glx-new package
[03:32] <OpenSorce> bazhang, okay for the wlan device it shows the mac address and configurationL broadcast=yes multicast=yes
[03:32] <WaltzingAlong> Kebinusan: because it is a WMV
[03:32] <Kebinusan> WaltzingAlong: no it happens with mpegs as well
[03:32] <sharperguy> argh this is very buggy still
[03:32] <kling0n> WaltzingAlong, Kebinusan oh yes... encrypted wmvs look like that
[03:32] <OpenSorce> bazhang, any chance that would be on the cd?
[03:32] <kling0n> Kebinusan: sheck whether totem is rendering using xv, x11 or vidix
[03:33] <kling0n> sheck=check
[03:33] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: do you have the linux-restricted-modules installed?
[03:33] <Aasmar> Im not sure
[03:33] <Kebinusan> kling0n: sec, it happens with mythweb and my mpeg2 card as well as divx video using pretty much any player but not all the time
[03:34] <spr0k3t> open up synaptic package manager from the System Administration menues
[03:34] <Aasmar> no I dont
[03:34] <sharperguy> gnash dosnt really work so i dont know why its even included
[03:34] <Aasmar> I think not
[03:34] <kling0n> Kebinusan: check video output driver
[03:34] <bazhang> OpenSorce: I don't know but I just got an interesting hit on Google using the search terms: DWL-120 +gutsy +wireless that led to ubuntuforums user with Gutsy having the very same problem--you should probably check it out--quite a bit of info..cheers!
[03:34] <gnomefreak> sharperguy: it does in gutsy
[03:34] <kling0n> Kebinusan: nvidia has issues with vidix output
[03:34] <gnomefreak> sharperguy: i use it without issues
[03:34] <phaidros> kling0n: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39952/
[03:34] <Aasmar> ccant open the restricted drivers program
[03:34] <phaidros> thats the menu.lst
[03:34] <phaidros> which doesn't boot
[03:34] <sharperguy> gnomefreak: hmm, well not for me :/
[03:34] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: you want the "Synaptic Package Manager"
[03:34] <phaidros> (stops after initrd)
[03:34] <kling0n> phaidros: the line # kopt=root=UUID=46803aa4-88f1-49fa-a1b4-02f01beaebdb ro
[03:35] <Aasmar> wait im checking now
[03:35] <kling0n> replace the uudi there with the correct one
[03:35] <phaidros> kling0n: .. is not from me ..
[03:35] <kling0n> and double comment the 2_6
[03:35] <phaidros> kling0n: thats what I was complaining about ..
[03:35] <kling0n> phaidros: why do you want to use that anyways ?
[03:35] <OpenSorce> bazhang, thanks....I'll look into it....maybe try a few other distros instead.....not reall happy with the ones that come incomplete like this......thanks again man!!
[03:35] <kling0n> phaidros: get the uuid using VOL_ID and replace it in the file
[03:35] <ShackJack> Hi all, I'm having a curious, intermittent problem when logging in to a secondary account... Nautilus background is black and it doesn't draw desktop icons (though taskbar shows and windows open). Debug log reads: Can not calculate _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS, Can not determine workarea, guessing at layout -- any thoughts?
[03:35] <kling0n> in that line
[03:35] <kling0n> and run update-grub
[03:35] <Aasmar> ok
[03:35] <bazhang> OpenSorce: sorry not to fix it...cheers!
[03:35] <Aasmar> i have one restricted modules package installed
[03:35] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: from there, do a search for "linux-restricted-module"
[03:36] <phaidros> kling0n: dunno .. you are right, one kopt is enough, _but_ why did grub/kernel/whatever package change that back to UUID ..
[03:36] <Aasmar> 2.6.20.16-generic
[03:36] <Kebinusan> kling0n: where would I check the vid output driver at exactly
[03:36] <Ng> 2.6.20 is feisty's kernel
[03:36] <Aasmar> -common
[03:36] <Aasmar> -generic
[03:36] <Aasmar> thats all
[03:36] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: go over to a terminal window, type "uname -r" and report what you get
[03:36] <sharperguy> gnomefreak: well youtube didnt work at all, and metal gear awesome is working with no sound
[03:37] <gnomefreak> sharperguy: youtube works for me with the exception of a few
[03:37] <Aasmar> 2.6.22-13-generic
[03:37] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: found the problem
[03:37] <kling0n> Kebinusan: hmm seems thats not possible from within totem
[03:37] <kling0n> Kebinusan: try something like mplayer
[03:37] <kling0n> Kebinusan: it'll let you choose render engien
[03:38] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: we need to take a look at your repos and update to the latest restricted modules
[03:38] <phaidros> kling0n: yeah, works now :/
[03:38] <kling0n> engine
[03:38] <kling0n> phaidros: wtg
[03:38] <Aasmar> ok
[03:38] <phaidros> kling0n: any clue how to get rid of quiet and splash by default ??
[03:38] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: was this an upgrade from feisty?
[03:38] <Aasmar> yeah
[03:39] <kling0n> phaidros: # defoptions=quiet splash vga=794
[03:39] <bazhang> spr0k3t: sound still borked?
[03:39] <kling0n> phaidros: just remove them
[03:39] <phaidros> kling0n: ehe, thanks :)
[03:39] <spr0k3t> bazhang: yeah, still b0rk3d
[03:39] <bazhang> ugh me too.
[03:40] <sharperguy> argh add/remove won't even come up now
[03:40] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: do me a flavor... from the terminal: "update-manager -c -d -p"
[03:40] <Aasmar> no such options
[03:41] <spr0k3t> try "sudo apt-get update"
[03:41] <Aasmar> optio*
[03:41] <Aasmar> option*
[03:41] <Aasmar> oops wait
[03:41] <Hydra001> Can somebody help me?
[03:41] <Aasmar> I mistyped cmd
[03:41] <spr0k3t> hehehe
[03:41] <Aasmar> ok...
[03:41] <spr0k3t> Hydra001: missed your request... what's the quick and dirty?
[03:41] <Aasmar> says systen up to date
[03:41] <spr0k3t> hmm...
[03:41] <Aasmar> system*
[03:42] <Kebinusan> kling0n: thanks I'll check a couple things the next time the video output gets corrupt, it seems to be fine atm
[03:42] <Hydra001> My computer can't play sound.
[03:42] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: something is missing though... there's got to be a way to update the restricted modules
[03:42] <kling0n> Kebinusan: might want to upgrade driver too
[03:42] <ShackJack> Hi - when Iogging into secondary user account Nautilus background is black and it doesn't draw desktop icons (though taskbar shows and windows open). Debug log reads: Can not calculate _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS, Can not determine workarea, guessing at layout -- any thoughts?
[03:42] <bazhang> Hydra001: join the club
[03:42] <WaltzingAlong> Hydra001: are you using ubuntu 7.10?
[03:42] <Aasmar> yeah
[03:42] <Aasmar> thru flash drive?'
[03:42] <spr0k3t> Hydra001: same problem... which card?
[03:42] <Hydra001> How to setup soundcard.
[03:43] <Aasmar> Im on my sisters laptop
[03:43] <Aasmar> My real comp aint connected at all
[03:43] <Hydra001> yes i used 7.10
[03:43] <Kebinusan> driver is the latest, but I guess that in itself could be the problem
[03:43] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: is there a way to connect the computer system to a wired connection?
[03:43] <Aasmar> no
[03:44] <phaidros> where is wpa_gui gone?
[03:44] <spr0k3t> this will be tough
[03:44] <Aasmar> Is a manual upgrade possible?
[03:44] <spr0k3t> yeah it is... just not fun
[03:44] <Aasmar> ok
[03:44] <phaidros> or is there a gnome tool which is capable of wpa2 ?
[03:44] <spr0k3t> phaidros: networkmanager
[03:45] <spr0k3t> using it now with this setup.
[03:45] <Aasmar> Well I'm not in a hurry myself, and I need the update, do you have time and patience?
[03:45] <spr0k3t> I wish I had all the time in the world but I don't... I need to be in bed soon.
[03:45] <Hydra001> ??
[03:46] <spr0k3t> Hydra001: do a pastebin of the result from lspci
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  650/M650 Host (rev 80)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS962 [MuTIOL Media IO]  (rev 25)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:02.1 SMBus: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS961/2 SMBus Controller
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  5513 [IDE] 
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  USB 2.0 Controller
[03:47] <spr0k3t> !paste
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[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 00:0a.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01)
[03:47] <Hydra001> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  300/305 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 90)
[03:47] <Aasmar> about how long would it take?
[03:47] <spr0k3t> not sure... I've done it myself... but had all the debs already made for me.
[03:48] <bazhang> spr0k3t: I found the problem--numerous bugs reported on launchpad wrt Gutsy and sound not working..haha
[03:48] <spr0k3t> bazhang: you're awesome dude... got the link for that one?
[03:48] <Aasmar> Well... whats the problem, maybe another friend could help me with it
[03:48] <spr0k3t> Hydra001: that's a first for me... I've never worked with the SiS AC'97 sound.
[03:49] <Hydra001> Uh.
[03:49] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: there's a question of files needed to be downloaded and their dependancies to build a deb.
[03:49] <bazhang> spr0k3t: well I did lspci, copied the name of my card and then did a google with it and Gutsy, and then about a million links to launchpad..hahha will be different for you as I have an intel card,a nd youhave something different iirc.
[03:49] <spr0k3t> that's something I've never done.
[03:50] <Aasmar> I need to update my restricted-modules right?
[03:51] <Kebinusan> kling0n: Thanks gave me some new ideas to search the web for, turns out its a problem with the latest nvidia driver used in the nvidia-glx-new package
[03:51] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: exactly... they should match the revision of what you get from 'uname -r'
[03:51] <Aasmar> ok
[03:52] <Aasmar> and where do I get my current version from again?
[03:52] <spr0k3t> uh
[03:52] <spr0k3t> you stumped me on that one.
[03:52] <kling0n> Kebinusan: you're welcome
[03:52] <spr0k3t> anyone want to chime in on this one?
[03:53] <phaidros> wow, networkmanager can do wpa nicely :)
[03:53] <spr0k3t> bazhang: looks like there may be a fix
[03:54] <bazhang> spr0k3t: do tell!
[03:54] <spr0k3t> bazhang: needs a recompile as stated from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=545784&highlight=sound+suse
[03:54] <Hydra001> On Ubuntu 6.40 It can play sound.
[03:55] <spr0k3t> looks like the guy upgraded to gutsy about the same time I did, both without sound.
[03:55] <bazhang> spr0k3t: thanks! I think I'll wait for the fix,as I'm not really of sound mind..haha
[03:56] <LiMaO> openoffice is not working correctly on gutsy.. any time i choose any 'formatting' options from the 'Format' menu it'll freeze
[03:57] <spr0k3t> any particular app LiMaO
[03:57] <Aasmar> Thanks  for all your help spr0k3t
[03:57] <spr0k3t> Aasmar: wish I could do more for you.
[03:57] <LiMaO> spr0k3t: i'm having this problem now with Writer.. didn't check the other bundled applications
[03:57] <Hydra001> Thank
[03:57] <Aasmar> My sis wants her laptop back, ill try to find a fix this evening, if I cant ill come back here
[03:57] <Aasmar> Later
[03:59] <spr0k3t> LiMaO: I have no 'formatting' in the 'Format' menu
[03:59] <LiMaO> spr0k3t: i meant 'any' formatting options.. check out Format > Page
[03:59] <LiMaO> or Format > Character
[04:00] <spr0k3t> worked here, default install?
[04:01] <LiMaO> yes, gutsy 64bit
[04:01] <LiMaO> actually, as i'm experimenting here, anything that will make some window or dialog pop out will make the app freeze
[04:02] <spr0k3t> LiMaO: try doing an update/upgrade to be sure you have everything up to date.
[04:04] <LiMaO> there are 2 updates to be done: libopenal0a and system-config-printer
[04:04] <LiMaO> i'm pretty sure they won't solve it, but let's update anyway
[04:05] <LiMaO> now i'm up to date, but still have the problem
[04:05] <LiMaO> let's turn off these fancy desktop effects and see what happens
[04:06] <LiMaO> still doesn't work
[04:08] <spr0k3t> LiMaO: have you tried removing OOo and reinstalling?
[04:09] <spr0k3t> seems like there's a package you are missing or something.
[04:09] <LiMaO> i'm doing some further research and testing here, but will reinstall it in a sec
[04:09] <spr0k3t> gotta reboot, brb
[04:15] <dmb> stupid question, will gutsy use xgl if the card doesn't work with aiglx?
[04:15] <dmb> for compiz-fusion
[04:19] <spr0k3t> time to test sound again
[04:21] <nzero> yo yo playas
[04:21] <nzero> amaranth are you on?
[04:21] <Amaranth> That depends
[04:21] <nzero> on
[04:22] <elmargol> Hi, the keyboard shortcuts for compiz do not work :(
[04:22] <elmargol> I can't get the cube
[04:22] <savvas> elmargol: did you get compiz manager?
[04:22] <elmargol> no i use gutsy default install
[04:22] <Amaranth> nzero: What you want
[04:22] <savvas> elmargol: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:23] <elmargol> So cube is not default?
[04:23] <derFuchs> no
[04:23] <spr0k3t> mm... cube
[04:23] <savvas> negative :)
[04:23] <elmargol> OK thats fine... i was just wondering
[04:23] <nzero> amaranth: i was trying to fix my fullscreen openGL rendering problem, and notice that full screen redirect is on and i can't turn it off
[04:24] <Amaranth> nzero: You don't want to turn it off
[04:24] <nzero> i used the compiz manager in general options to do it and noticed that everytime i checkered it off it would immedietly turn back on
[04:24] <nzero> whats the deal with it not letting me turn it off
[04:24] <nzero> and it being on still has not solved the problem
[04:28] <rico__> hey guys.
[04:29] <rico__> Im currently running tribe 5 + the regular updates (rather buggy), and im planning to reinstall when the final Gutsy comes out.
[04:29] <Pici> Congrats?
[04:29] <rico__> I'm planning on reusing my /home/ partition. is that wise?
[04:29] <spr0k3t> sure
[04:29] <Pici> rico__: Should be fine.
[04:29] <rico__> so I'll keep my old gnome settings (and for other apps)
[04:29] <rico__> okay
[04:29] <rico__> :)
[04:29] <rico__> how much space would you guys suggest for a /home partition and a / by the way?
[04:30] <bazhang> 200GB?
[04:30] <rico__> haha.
[04:30] <nzero> 1 tera
[04:30] <spr0k3t> for / , anything more than windows
[04:30] <nzero> 4 tera for the root
[04:30] <rico__> I'm thinking 6 to 10gb for / since i dont go above that anyway
[04:30] <spr0k3t> for /home, the rest of what / doesn't take
[04:30] <nzero> i am running on 12 gig for just root
[04:30] <bazhang> rico__: oh you meant minimum--maybe for home about 20-30GB, if you can manage; for / maybe 8GB...
[04:30] <rico__> okay.
[04:30] <spr0k3t> plus a little more for swap
[04:31] <DanaG> I have my whole / (nothing separate) within 27 or so gigs.
[04:31] <rico__> cool. :)
[04:31] <rico__> and I always have 1gb for swap
[04:31] <DanaG> I had 10 gigs for root and home, and then had to add 17 more for /var.
[04:31] <rico__> that's a fair number right?
[04:31] <nzero> for swap just times your system mem by 2
[04:31] <rico__> eck.. i have 2gb memory
[04:31] <nzero> nice, but damn
[04:31] <DanaG> But once I reimaged, I slapped /var back in with /.
[04:31] <spr0k3t> dude, that's like 8GB
[04:31] <bazhang> there has to be an easier way to set up 3D in Gutsy--it's just way too technical for the normal user.
[04:31] <Pici> Unless you have some obscene amount of ram and aren't planning to suspend-to-disk anytime soon.
[04:31] <rico__> i never really understood the physical memory * 2 idea
[04:32] <rico__> I mean if I upgrade my memory, that means i've to 'upgrade' my swap too?
[04:32] <nzero> bazhang its actually very straight forward up until you start using restricted drivers
[04:32] <spr0k3t> I no want an 8GB swap
[04:32] <rico__> bazhang, you mean getting xgl/compiz to run?
[04:32] <mzuverink> Breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package by removing evolution wont kill everything will it and mess with my updates?
[04:32] <DanaG> I use S2Ram and shut-down-entirely.  s2disk doesn't have a whole lot of point to me.
[04:32] <rico__> mine worked right out of the box (with restricted drivers)
[04:32] <nzero> bazhang do u have compiz manager installed
[04:32] <DanaG> Evolution is no longer a 'depends' -- it's a 'recommends'.
[04:32] <nzero> what Vcard you got rico
[04:33] <mzuverink> DanaG, thank you
[04:33] <rico__> nzero, it's an intel gma 965
[04:33] <spr0k3t> DanaG: awesome... time for thunderbird
[04:33] <rico__> oh oops, forgot to mention my card is blacklisted in compiz so i had to set an env var specifically for my card, but should be fine for most other cards :b
[04:33] <nzero> i using ATI and i am having a big problem with getting XGL to work with dual monitors
[04:33] <bazhang> rico__: no I mean just running the commands from terminal to get the restricted drivers going, etc.; Ubuntu has it in a nice, snazzy GUI, in fact they come with it enabled--whynot in Kubuntu? sorry for the rant
[04:34] <nzero> i was reading the FLGX ati driver does not support dual monitors
[04:34] <rico__> ohh.
[04:34] <rico__> i never tried it with kubuntu, sorry, not quite sure how things go in that side of the fence
[04:34] <nzero> bazhang: everything can be run from in the GUI
[04:34] <bazhang> nzero: yes but the issue is getting the card set up, and downloading compizconfig settngs manager etc.
[04:35] <bazhang> nzero: maybe in Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu.
[04:35] <nzero> use synaptic package manager ifound inside system admin to do installs
[04:35] <rico__> oh, I too find it weird that ccsm isn't installed by default
[04:35] <bazhang> rico__: yup. pretty weird.
[04:35] <nzero> and for your restricted drivers go to system then admin select restricted drivers and enable it will do the install
[04:35] <vegas513> hi, sorry to bother you guys but having a few problems
[04:35] <vegas513> firstly, trying to add firefox in adept
[04:35] <bazhang> nzero: right for GNOME; KDE not so much
[04:35] <vegas513> everything that isn't already installed is just grayed out and i can't do anything with it
[04:36] <nzero> why do people use KDE again?
[04:36] <rico__> btw, just a weird question, but what do you feel like when you do an apt-get upgrade (or use update-manager)? happy that your packages will be updated or nervous that things will break?
[04:36] <nzero> whats the advantage, is there certain apps that it has
[04:36] <rico__> mine's more of the latter *shrug*
[04:37] <vegas513> also
[04:37] <vegas513> more pressing problem
[04:37] <nzero> hey amaranth do you know if there going to have the monitors and graphics card admin app ready by final
[04:37] <vegas513> i just installed kubuntu 7.10, intending to dual-boot
[04:37] <vegas513> but nothing besides kubuntu shows up in grub
[04:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, remember how vsync has now been disabled for Compiz?
[04:37] <vegas513> therefore i can't get back to my winblows partitions
[04:38] <bazhang> vegas513: you need to add all the restricted stuff by enabling the extra software repositories in Adept, then hit reload/fetch updates, and it will there to choose from, along with flash-non free, etc.; actually much easier from the command line, just download kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:38] <vegas513> ok...been a while since i attempted linux last...how do i add repos in adept?
[04:38] <nzero> vegas513: did you install the root kubuntu directory in the same partition as windows
[04:39] <DanaG> I've fixed it by doing this: set compiz to no vsync, twice actual refresh rate; go to nvidia-settings and enable vsync; add to desktop session 'nvidia-settings -l'  (lowercase l)
[04:39] <vegas513> no, i resized my windows partition and added the / and swap
[04:39] <bazhang> vegas513: go to adept, then click on manage repos, and then choose the ones you want to enable, then fetch updates.
[04:40] <spr0k3t> gHa! hARI plUng... nUtz souND, l@cK of!  ACK!
[04:40] <spr0k3t> okay, sorry...
[04:40] <spr0k3t> I'm done bedugging the sound problem for now.
[04:40] <vegas513> bazhang: what ones do i add?
[04:41] <bazhang> vegas513: the ones that are labeled canonical partner
[04:41] <vegas513> bazhang: ok, thanks
[04:41] <vegas513> now any ideas on the lack of windows in grub problem?
[04:41] <bazhang> vegas513: my pleasure!
[04:42] <vegas513> also...can i mount my ntfs partitions while in linux?
[04:42] <spr0k3t> vegas513: where's the problem? j/k
[04:43] <bazhang> vegas513: this is a bit trickier, since there is no gui to do it--are you ok using the command line?
[04:43] <vegas513> yes
[04:43] <vegas513> bazhang: are you helping with the GRUB problem or the mounting ntfs partitions issue?
[04:44] <bazhang> vegas513: grub.
[04:44] <vegas513> cool
[04:44] <vegas513> k, have a command line open
[04:44] <vegas513> do i need to log in as root?
[04:45] <bazhang> vegas513: are you gnome or kde?
[04:45] <vegas513> bazhang: kde
[04:45] <vegas513> bazhang: i went ahead and logged in as root already anyway
[04:47] <nzero> hey why is that i can't find the fglrx control app after i have already installed it
[04:48] <mc44> nzero: which control app?
[04:50] <dizzer> Hello
[04:50] <nzero> nzero: fglrx control
[04:50] <mc44> nzero: have you tried running fglrx-control? :)
[04:50] <spr0k3t> nzero: is talking to himself again
[04:51] <nzero> hmmm, that would be smart now woudn't it
[04:51] <dizzer> I have extremely big fonts  everywhere, chnging em doesnt fix anything
[04:51] <spr0k3t> anyway, time for bed... wavies peeps
[04:51] <nzero> hey i figured something as important as a control prog would automatically be inserted into the system menu
[04:51] <dizzer> fe in menu text "applications" and options are so big that i cant even choose option i want
[04:51] <vegas513> bazhang: still there?
[04:52] <nzero> cya spork3t
[04:52] <nzero> ok fglrx-control cannot be run
[04:52] <bazhang> vegas513: ok then it's sudo kate  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:53] <bazhang> vegas513: which should bring up your grub menu list; now you need to add to it--this is on the same hard drive, right?
[04:53] <vegas513> yup
[04:54] <bazhang> vegas513: did that command work?
[04:54] <vegas513> it said cannot connect to X server
[04:55] <bazhang> vegas513: you're logged in as root? you enabled root in Kubuntu? that's normally not the default--did you mean the sudo
[04:56] <bazhang> vegas513: I think I see the error--one space too many between sudo kate and the rest
[04:57] <nzero> has ne1 ever used FGLRX Control before
[04:57] <kling0n> alright here we go with a reboot... ill be back up iwht gutsy (i hope) :)
[04:57] <kling0n> iwth=with
[04:58] <bazhang> sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:58] <bazhang> kling0n: yes!
[04:58] <nzero> ne1 ne1
[04:58] <dizzer> any1 wants help me? ;p
[04:58] <bazhang> not here.
[04:58] <wood1> does cairo-dock works with Gutsy? if yes... where can i find some simple rules for its installation. thanks
[04:59] <dizzer> :<
[05:00] <bazhang> vegas513: got that open yet?
[05:01] <dizzer> bazhang? ;P
[05:01] <vegas513> bazhang: one sec, sorry, girlfriend just got home with some bad news
[05:01] <bazhang> dizzer: what's the issue--fonts? too big?
[05:02] <bazhang> vegas513: that's much more important--come back when you can--I'll be here...haha
[05:02] <jboyd> hmm
[05:02] <jboyd> pidgin seems half broken
[05:02] <jboyd> keep having to remove ~/.purple after restart
[05:02] <mc44> nzero: whats the problem?
[05:02] <bazhang> for the grub experts out there: should it be sudo kate or kdesu kate?
[05:03] <dizzer> mm, fonts make my windows unreadable, fonts in header of each window are extremely big
[05:03] <bazhang> I've seen two different listings on ubuntuforums.
[05:03] <dizzer> it makes OS completely usless
[05:03] <dizzer> cant do anythin
[05:04] <bazhang> dizzer: this is kde?
[05:05] <vegas513> ok...it's open now, bazhang
[05:05] <dizzer> kde/gnome/xfce -> xfce is the worst
[05:06] <dizzer> When i change mode in compiz for other than it was when i started system, it repairs till next login.
[05:06] <dizzer> it doesnt matter if i have full/no effect in compiz
[05:06] <bazhang> vegas513: ok now, I could enter all the info, but it might be easier for you to just look at this link: http://www.howtoforge.com/working_with_the_grub_menu
[05:06] <bazhang> dizzer: kde?
[05:06] <dizzer> yes
[05:07] <dizzer> doesnt matter  which environment it is
[05:07] <dizzer> i tried with all
[05:07] <bazhang> dizzer: ok, then go to system settings, appearance, gtk styles and fonts, and adjust accordingly...
[05:07] <dizzer> Well, it doesnt work
[05:08] <dizzer> all fonts are set on 10
[05:08] <dizzer> when i change its size nothing happens
[05:08] <bazhang> dizzer you tried that?
[05:08] <dizzer> sure
[05:08] <schaalml> hi, we're using a netboot environment and it doesn't find kernel archives anymore
[05:08] <Amaranth> nzero: the screens and graphics thing works fine now
[05:09] <chequers> hi all, when trying to ./configure mplayer, I get messages like this: `Checking for kernel support of sse ... failed. It seems that your kernel does not correctly support sse. To use sse extensions in MPlayer, you have to upgrade/recompile your kernel!`
[05:09] <Amaranth> nzero: except if you use nvidia you can't use it to setup dualhead, use nvidia-settings instead
[05:09] <bazhang> dizzer also checked in the same place under fonts?
[05:09] <dizzer> yes
[05:09] <chequers> I'm running the latest gutsy beta, fully updated. is this mean't to be happening?
[05:09] <phaidros> is gutsy/fglrx compiz-capable ?
[05:09] <dizzer> checked all possible options in apperance
[05:09] <Amaranth> phaidros: No
[05:09] <Pici> chequers: #ubuntu+1 for Gutsy questions please.
[05:09] <Pici> er
[05:09] <Amaranth> Pici: Look around. :)
[05:09] <Pici> chequers: sorry. mixed my windows again
[05:09] <phaidros> Amaranth: no AIGLX and no XGL ??
[05:10] <ShackJack>  Hi - when Iogging into secondary user account Nautilus background is black and it doesn't draw desktop icons (though taskbar shows and windows open). Debug log reads: Can not calculate _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS, Can not determine workarea, guessing at layout -- any thoughts?
[05:10] <mc44> phaidros: yes it works with xgl
[05:10] <Amaranth> phaidros: you can install Xgl
[05:10] <Amaranth> chequers: Are you using the -generic kernel or the -386 kernel?
[05:10] <chequers> 386
[05:10] <Amaranth> chequers: you want generic
[05:10] <phaidros> Amaranth: XGL with fglrx, how would that work? (just a hint would be great)
[05:11] <Amaranth> chequers: 386 is only for really old computers and via cpus
[05:11] <mc44> Amaranth: is there a option for focus stealing in ccsm somewhere? I can't seem to find it
[05:11] <chequers> oh... heh
[05:11] <chequers> can I upgrade without needing to reinstall?
[05:11] <Amaranth> phaidros: use the restricted-manager to enable fglrx, install xserver-xgl, reboot, everything Just Works
[05:11] <Pici> (TM)
[05:11] <phaidros> Amaranth: thanks
[05:11] <Amaranth> mc44: It's a match option for what windows to apply focus stealing prevention to
[05:11] <Amaranth> mc44: Do you want to turn it off?
[05:11] <mc44> Amaranth: yeah
[05:12] <mc44> Amaranth: well. for a specific window
[05:12] <Amaranth> mc44: focus and raise behavior
[05:12] <Amaranth> mc44: I hope you know regex, basic X, and the compiz match system
[05:12] <phaidros> Amaranth: I wonder why always reboot is the speak for restarting X, alot of ppl doing that nowadays .. sounds very windows'ish .. ;)
[05:12] <schaalml> is there a netboot kernel which fits to the current archive?
[05:12] <Amaranth> phaidros: restart for fglrx
[05:13] <Amaranth> phaidros: fglrx is touchy
[05:13] <mc44> Amaranth: I'll try and work it out :) Of course the fact that I can't find focus and raise behaviour isn't a good sign :P
[05:13] <phaidros> Amaranth: ok, had fglrx already running, so wondering, thanx anyway :)
[05:13] <Amaranth> mc44: general options
[05:13] <mc44> Amaranth: ah, it's a tab
[05:13] <_Jaak_> When running Compiz and try to connect through vnc to another desktop requireing a psswd you can't select the password field and cause of that enter the passwrd
[05:13] <Amaranth> phaidros: then just install xserver-xgl and restart X
[05:13] <mc44> Amaranth: doesn't show up under search :)
[05:13] <Amaranth> phaidros: it autostarts now instead of having to do that annoying setup crap
[05:14] <Amaranth> schaalml: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[05:15] <Amaranth> (i always forget where that is)
[05:15] <bazhang> dizzer: when you go to fonts, does it say force fonts dpi disabled?
[05:15] <dizzer> no
[05:16] <schaalml> Amaranth: I'll have a look at it. thx
[05:16] <dizzer> Everything seem to be okay, but those options simply doesnt work
[05:17] <bazhang> dizzer: did you force the fonts to be 96 dpi?
[05:17] <guardian> please, i installed gcc 4.2 deb. is there something like update-alternatives to update the symlinks for default gcc ?
[05:17] <dizzer> no, they are 96dpi
[05:17] <dizzer> tried many configurations
[05:18] <bazhang> dizzer: have you set it to 96dpi, logged out, then logged back in?
[05:19] <dizzer> yes, i've tried 96/80 and many other configurations
[05:19] <dizzer> any of them worked
[05:19] <bazhang> not my question dizzer, did you log out and back in with it set to 96dpi?
[05:19] <dizzer> yes!
[05:19] <chequers> Amaranth: it turns out I am using the -generic kernel. any other ideas?
[05:20] <phaidros> Amaranth: well, XGL not present ..
[05:20] <Amaranth> phaidros: did you install it?
[05:20] <Amaranth> chequers: use our mplayer?
[05:20] <chequers> cat /proc/cpuinfo also shows all the required flags
[05:20] <phaidros> Amaranth: xserver-xgl, yes
[05:20] <Amaranth> phaidros: you are using gutsy, right?
[05:20] <phaidros> Amaranth: yes.
[05:20] <chequers> Amaranth: I'm hoping to compile non comitted patches in
[05:20] <Amaranth> no 3rd party repos?
[05:20] <phaidros> Amaranth: nmo 3rd part
[05:21] <mc44> Amaranth: so if I wanted focus stealing protection on any but not tilda, how could I format that?
[05:21] <phaidros> Amaranth: after install, logged in, nothin just blank screen. with failsafe term, I start compiz, I get Checking for Xgl: not present. No whitelisted driver found. aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacit
[05:22] <Amaranth> phaidros: you did restart X, right?
[05:22] <phaidros> Amaranth: ack
[05:22] <Creationist> I am curious how to make the Kubuntu task manager only show buttons for tasks on the current desktop.  I'm running Compiz and setting the appropriate option in the Panel options makes no difference...
[05:23] <Creationist> Task BAR, not manager.
[05:23] <GuHHH> hey, how can i update to gutsy from feisty
[05:23] <phaidros> Amaranth: AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[05:23] <phaidros> .. in Xorglog
[05:23] <Creationist> GuHHH: When Gutsy is released, Update Manager will let you know and ask if you want to update.
[05:24] <Amaranth> phaidros: disable Composite
[05:24] <phaidros> Amaranth: ah, ok
[05:24] <Amaranth> phaidros: that's why you should use the restricted-manager to do this stuff :P
[05:24] <phaidros> Amaranth:  Option      "Composite" "0" .. is already
[05:25] <phaidros> Amaranth: yeah, but restricted manager doesn't set dualhead for me :)
[05:25] <mc44> Amaranth: "any & name!=tilda" should work?
[05:26] <GuHHH> Creationist: what if i want to update for the beta
[05:26] <phaidros> GuHHH: edit your sources.list according to the distribution you want to update to
[05:26] <Amaranth> mc44: *shrug*
[05:26] <mc44> Amaranth: pah :)
[05:27] <phaidros> Amaranth: composite 0 means it is off, right?
[05:27] <Amaranth> phaidros: yeah
[05:27] <Amaranth> phaidros: before you installed Xgl did 3d acceleration work?
[05:27] <Creationist> GuHHH: I'm not entirely sure, but I believe it's as simple as editing your sources.lst file and changing all occurances of "feisty" to "gutsy"
[05:27] <Amaranth> phaidros: xgl doesn't touch your xorg.conf so...
[05:27] <phaidros> Amaranth: hm, did not check :/
[05:27] <phaidros> ah IC
[05:27] <Amaranth> phaidros: uninstall xgl and check
[05:28] <Creationist> GuHHH: Keep in mind, though, that Gutsy is definitely not stable by any means... and upgrades often break systems; especially if you've used 3rd party repositories to install software.
[05:28] <phaidros> Amaranth: and I just found in Xlog:  * DRI initialization failed  * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)  * no 3D acceleration available  :(
[05:28] <mc44> Amaranth: !name=tilda seems to do it. ;)
[05:29] <Creationist> When running Compiz, how do I make the taskbar only show applications for the CURRENT desktop?
[05:29] <phaidros> Amaranth: I think I try a windows'ish reboot ;)
[05:29] <WorkingOnWise> Is there a way to get grub to leave my menu.lst in tack when I update?
[05:30] <Amaranth> Creationist: gconftool-2 -t int -s /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/number_of_desktops 1
[05:30] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWise: It only changes things inside the part marked AUTOMAGIC
[05:30] <GuHHH> Creationist: but i want to update to the unstable, damn!!!
[05:30] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWise: and it tells you not to change anything in there
[05:30] <Amaranth> GuHHH: sudo update-manager -d
[05:32] <Creationist> Amaranth: It is already set to 1
[05:32] <Amaranth> Creationist: Then you're a KDE user
[05:33] <Creationist> Amaranth: Oh, did I not mention that? lol sorry, yes I am.
[05:33] <Amaranth> Creationist: Then you can't, kicker doesn't support viewports
[05:33] <Creationist> You serious??  Why not?
[05:34] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[05:34] <Creationist> What's the point of multiple desktops if you still need to search through 10 entries in the taskbar to find what you're looking for?  Someone fire a KDE developer..... oh, wait.  Nevermind ;)
[05:36] <mendred> Creationist: you can try using kiba-dock in kde
[05:36] <mendred> works well
[05:37] <bazhang> kling0n you still around?
[05:37] <Creationist> mendred: I've tried using Kiba before, I think and it didn't like Compiz.
[05:37] <mendred> eh?
[05:37] <mendred> it works well here with compiz :)
[05:37] <Creationist> I'll give it a try, though... but I do like everything else on my kicker....
[05:38] <mendred> but anyway i was checking
[05:38] <mendred> it also seems
[05:38] <mendred> to show all the apps
[05:38] <WorkingOnWise> anything like google gadgets, yahoo widgets, or Vista gadgets for a sidebar in Ubuntu?
[05:38] <mendred> so not waht u r looking for
[05:38] <Creationist> WorkingOnWise: You can look into desklets
[05:38] <Creationist> WorkingOnWise: Although I found them ugly and unstable myself ;)
[05:39] <bazhang> hey WorkingOnWise!
[05:45] <mfabbri> hi! After upgrading to gutsy, when I'm in X the first line of pixels is partly black, did anybody experience similar problems?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> vertical? or horzonital line?
[05:48] <mfabbri> horizontal 1st from the top
[05:48] <Dr_willis> try disabling compiz see if it still happens.
[05:48] <mfabbri> the first twenty pixels show correctly
[05:48] <mfabbri> it is yet disabled
[05:50] <Pierre> re
[05:50] <Pierre> & doh :)
[05:50] <Pierre> update needs 115MB free on /boot but:  96M   67M   24M  74% /boot ...
[05:50] <Pierre> what does it need to put there??
[05:51] <Amaranth> Pierre: Your new kernel
[05:51] <Pierre> sure, but 115MB...
[05:51] <Pierre> I did not notice this error on my other box
[05:51] <Amaranth> yeah my /boot is only 24M of stuff
[05:51] <Amaranth> that's weird
[05:51] <Pierre> same partition sizes
[05:52] <Dr_willis> heh. My /boot is 512mb - but i got GeeXbox installed on it also.
[05:52] <WorkingOnWise> bazhang: that was rude of me...hey!
[05:52] <Dr_willis> i can fastboot into Geexbox instead of Ubuntu if i want to.
[05:52] <bazhang> hi Dr_willis!
[05:52] <mfabbri> Dr_willis: may it be a bug in ati xorg driver?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mfabbri,  i would guess a driver bug.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mfabbri,  try the vesa driver perhaps?
[05:52] <mfabbri> ok
[05:53] <WorkingOnWise> lol....someone grap tissue!
[05:53] <Dr_willis> man woman | grep | fsck
[05:53] <bazhang> hahaha
[05:53] <Amaranth> ...
[05:54] <WorkingOnWise> anyone useing Qemulator? Mine gives me a crash error, but never really crashes
[05:54] <Dr_willis> !info qemulator
[05:54] <ubotu> qemulator: a solution for easy setup and management of qemu. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5-2 (gutsy), package size 687 kB, installed size 2512 kB
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Hmm. i tend to use vmware, sorry.
[05:55] <WorkingOnWise> Dr_willis: is vmware FOSS?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Its free - but not GPL Free. :)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> go to the vmware site. fill out a form  get free serial #
[05:55] <jhaig> WorkingOnWise: It is not open source.
[05:55] <kling0n> running gutsy :)
[05:55] <kling0n> evms bug is very bad though
[05:55] <bazhang> yahooo!
[05:56] <kling0n> showstopper bad
[05:56] <_dan_> whats evms?
[05:57] <OpenSorce> if I do OEM install from the alt disc will it let me pick which HDD to put it on?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Im not sure what the OEM install does exactly.
[05:57] <Pierre> looks like a buggy message
[05:58] <Dr_willis> I thought that OEMs could create some sort of config file and the installer would get defaults from it.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> The normal Alternative CD installer should let you pick what HDD to install to.
[05:59] <mfabbri> Dr_willis, vesa it's working fine indeed...
[05:59] <Pierre> Amaranth: http://pierre.libgd.org/update_gusty_bug_size.png
[05:59] <JediMaster> hey guys, got a whole bunch of issues with gutsy =(
[05:59] <bazhang> JediMaster: like what?
[06:00] <Pierre> Amaranth: the required size changed after I removed old kernels (old feisty .17)
[06:00] <Amaranth> Pierre: weird
[06:00] <JediMaster> first of all, my sound isn't working at all, and it appears the module isn' t included in the kernel, I believe it should be snd_hda_intel, but I can't find it
[06:00] <Amaranth> Pierre: pop into #ubuntu-devel and tell mvo about it
[06:01] <JediMaster> this is an nForce motherboard with the MCP55 chipset
[06:01] <Amaranth> uh oh, nforce
[06:01] <JediMaster> lol, well I got the striped raid drives working, that was tough =)
[06:02] <Vinconzo> hi
[06:03] <JediMaster> bazhang: the other thing is I can't seem to get any window decorations on my second monitor (this is two seperate geforce 8880 gtx cards, not one card with two montiors, and no xinerama on)
[06:03] <mc44> JediMaster: snd_hda_intel is included in the kernel
[06:03] <JediMaster> mc44: that'll be why I can't find it, now why isn't there a /dev/dsp?
[06:03] <mc44> JediMaster: *is*
[06:04] <kling0n> JediMaster: you'll need to load the alsa oss driver
[06:04] <mc44> JediMaster: tried "lsmod | grep snd"?
[06:05] <bazhang> JediMaster: the sound issue is a major launchpad bug-- I have the same problem, for the window decorations, ahve you run command alt +f2 emerald --replace &?
[06:05] <LiMaO> how do i change my sistem locale?
[06:05] <Vinconzo> what kind of stuff can i do with the new default compiz wm? i only know how to switch desktops with Super+e, switching with the panel-app, and i have cool window movements when i move or resize the window
[06:05] <LiMaO> i mean, when i installed it, i chose 'no localization', but that may be giving me problems now
[06:06] <JediMaster> mc44:  there's a whole bunch of snd_ but no hda_intel
[06:06] <JediMaster> bazhang: with the nforce chips? and no, going to try it now
[06:06] <bazhang> JediMaster: I've got the lowly 7 series..sigh.
[06:07] <mc44> JediMaster: well I don't know what the problem is, but it isn't because hda is missing from the kernel as I have it here ;)
[06:07] <JediMaster> bazhang: what's the alt + f2 do?
[06:07] <bazhang> JediMaster: that opens a window that lets you type in a command.
[06:07] <mlind> JediMaster: do you have linux-ubuntu-modules installed that provides snd_hda_intel ?
[06:08] <JediMaster> mlind: I have the restricted drivers, but I thought the others were suggesting it was built into the kernel?
[06:09] <JediMaster> mlind: can't find the package
[06:09] <WGGMk> can anyone help me setting up SAMBA and user Authentication
[06:09] <mlind> well is you're using gutsy, try something like: sudo aptitude install linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[06:09] <mlind> s/is/if
[06:09] <JediMaster> ah right
[06:09] <JediMaster> nope, wasn't installed
[06:10] <mc44> JediMaster: it should be pulled in by the linux-generic meta packge
[06:10] <mlind> JediMaster: dpkg claims that ubuntu-linux-modules should get you what you're looking for
[06:10] <JediMaster> that was another odd issue, after the last update I did, the new kernel pacakge didn't add the initrd line to my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:11] <JediMaster> mc44: it wasn't, and linux-generic is installed
[06:11] <JediMaster> yay, ok the module loaded
[06:12] <mlind> JediMaster: linux-generic doesn't seem to depend on linux-ubuntu-modules
[06:12] <JediMaster> easy way to start sound without ctrl-alt-backspace?
[06:12] <mlind> JediMaster: but linux-image-generic does, do you have that one installed?
[06:13] <JediMaster> yes
[06:13] <wood1> i just downloaded a tar.gz file full of icons, how can i implement it in Ubuntu?
[06:14] <JediMaster> the updater did complain about a partial upgrade, wonder if it just didn't install it due to dep issues
[06:14] <JediMaster> bazhang: don't seem to have emerald installed, should I?
[06:14] <mlind> JediMaster: could be that the mirror you're using hans't synced with the main mirror and you're still having old linux-image-generic
[06:15] <JediMaster> yeah, using the gb archive
[06:15] <mc44> JediMaster: if it didn't add a line to grub sounds like the kernel didn't install properly for some reason
[06:16] <bazhang> JediMaster: probably a good idea
[06:16] <JediMaster> wooo, shiney!
[06:17] <JediMaster> ok last issue =) the keyboard layout, I'm stuck on US layout and need UK, get a xkbd error every time I log in, let me dig it up
[06:18] <gr33npho3nix> hola guys , i'm on a macbook with i386 gutsy,  i compiled the latest madwifi modules to get my wireless working, but i can't connect to my wpa2 network
[06:18] <gr33npho3nix> i am trying to recompile network manger with sources obtain via bzr but it complains about vpn_druid
[06:18] <JediMaster> basic error is: Error activating XKB configuration.
[06:18] <gr33npho3nix> anyone have any ideas that could help me?
[06:18] <bazhang> gr33npho3nix: have you tried with it set to open?
[06:19] <gr33npho3nix> bazhang: no, I am connected to somebody else's open WAP to chat here
[06:19] <gr33npho3nix> and the machine connects in Mac OS X on the same machine
[06:19] <JediMaster> btw, am I right in thinking I still can't use compiz fusion with xinerama running across my monitors?
[06:19] <gr33npho3nix> so i'm quite sure its not the router or physical machine
[06:20] <JediMaster> or is there another way to get windows to drag from one monitor to another?
[06:20] <gr33npho3nix> anyone have any ideas that could help me? schools 8.0211x PEAP network
[06:20] <cpoucet> Hello
[06:20] <gr33npho3nix> whoops sorry about the first part of that
[06:20] <cpoucet> Trying to upgrade to 7.10 and I get an error right away
[06:20] <gr33npho3nix> apparently i still have trackpad issues to work out
[06:20] <cpoucet> gpg: can't open `/tmp/tmpMM20s0/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg'
[06:20] <JediMaster> brb, restarting Xorg
[06:21] <cpoucet> Any suggestions?
[06:22] <cpoucet> Basically it won't authenticate hte upgrade
[06:24] <bazhang> just getting a new update hope this fixes my sound issues. be back soon.
[06:24] <cpoucet> http://rafb.net/p/T9wUjD20.html
[06:25] <cpoucet> How would I solve this issue?
[06:25] <gr33npho3nix> looks like there is  a kernel and modules update for my system, i'll go apply that and see if its fixed
[06:27] <cpoucet> :|
[06:28] <Pici> cpoucet: gksudo update-manager -d
[06:29] <mlind> cpoucet: are you upgrading from feisty?
[06:29] <Pici> Sounds like it.
[06:29] <mlind> cpoucet: bug #78673 is probably related
[06:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78673 in update-manager "edgy->feisty dist-upgrade only works if ~/.gnupg file is there" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78673
[06:30] <mewt> gd evening everyone
[06:30] <mewt> does anyone know for a good substitute for gdesklets ?
[06:30] <mewt> of a *
[06:30] <cpoucet> mlind: yes
[06:31] <amias> hi all
[06:31] <amias> is anyone else getting lots of errors to do with gzopen64 not being defined ?
[06:32] <cpoucet> mlind: problem is that there's no solution
[06:32] <amias> this is happening in lots of places and appears to have been fixed a while ago in debian
[06:32] <cpoucet> Pici: gksudoe ... doesn't give me the upgrade button
[06:32] <amias> but upgrade zlib and libxml2 doesn't seem to fix it
[06:32] <mlind> cpoucet: is your feisty up-to-date ?
[06:32] <cpoucet> yes
[06:34] <JediMaster> ok cool, got sound working fine now, and I can get window decorations on my second video card by running emerald
[06:34] <JediMaster> not ideal, but working =)
[06:34] <JediMaster> now the keyboard... each time I log in it's giving me an xkb error
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I got Decor on my 2nd card no problem. Using Twinview
[06:35] <mlind> cpoucet: what's the version of your update-manager?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> never have figutred out Emerald. :)
[06:35] <gokiwork> When gutsy gibbon hits release, will beta installs of it upgrade to and stick with the normal release?
[06:35] <JediMaster> Dr_willis: I have x 2 geforce 8800 gtx cards, not one with twinview
[06:35] <Dr_willis> upgrades should work
[06:35] <Dr_willis> JediMaster,  in other words.. you got a Toaster oven. :)
[06:35] <cpoucet> mlind: how do I check?
[06:35] <JediMaster> indeed
[06:35] <mlind> cpoucet: dpkg -l update-manager
[06:35] <JediMaster> hence the water cooling =)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> I got a single 8800GTSXXX using twinview
[06:36] <cpoucet> 0.59.25
[06:36] <gokiwork> Sorry I meant update, not upgrade... I mean, if you just keep updating packages normally on a gutsy gibbon beta install, will it become more or less the same as a gutsy gibbon release install?
[06:36] <mlind> cpoucet: well it's up-to-date
[06:36] <amias> anyone know how to fix the gzopen64 errors ?
[06:37] <cpoucet> maybe it is because I have no gnupg file?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> gokiwork,  in theory yes. :)
[06:37] <cpoucet> erm ~/.gnupg file
[06:37] <mlind> cpoucet: have you tried running gpg once as a normal user, then upgrading?
[06:38] <cpoucet> doing so now
[06:38] <gokiwork> Dr_willis: Ah cool. Yup I was assuming the "in theory" bit :)
[06:38] <cpoucet> Still the same issue
[06:38] <cpoucet> exception from gpg: GnuPG exited non-zero, with code 131072
[06:38] <amias> is nobody else who uses gutsy getting their systems crippled by gzopen64 errors , i can't even use apt
[06:38] <cpoucet> gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir `/tmp/tmpzGaTAE'
[06:38] <cpoucet> gpg: can't open `/tmp/tmpzGaTAE/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg'
[06:38] <Dr_willis> amias,  not seen the issue here on my 3 machines
[06:39] <amias> Dr_willis, all gutsy with latest updates ?
[06:39] <OpenSorce> man....anybody know when a non-beta gutsy is coming?
[06:40] <amias> OpenSorce, see the release schedule
[06:40] <sinX_> 10 days111
[06:40] <cpoucet> mlind: going into that directory, the issue seems to be that there is no .gpg file!
[06:41] <OpenSorce> amias, yeah I figured one of would know off the top of your heads....thanks sinX_ :-)
[06:41] <Dr_willis> amias,  given that by the time i update/upgrade.. thers more upgrades...
[06:41] <sinX_> np
[06:41] <Dr_willis> amias,  about as update as i can get them.
[06:41] <amias> Dr_willis, could you tell me what version of libxml2 and zlib you are using , it would be really usefull to know which versions work
[06:41] <OpenSorce> I think I'll just stop here and wait for the official release....maybe it will work
[06:43] <Dr_willis> usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.30
[06:43] <Stonekeeper> hi there. A useful person helped a friend of mine today with regards to his wireless drivers breaking in gutsy. It seems an update of feisty->gutsy killed it. He diagnosed that it was a wrong version of the restricted drivers to blame. Where can i find the "correct" version? Thanks.
[06:44] <OpenSorce> That kinda came out wrong....maybe they'll have the bugs worked out in the final version....that's better
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Hmm not sure on zlib.. cant find it with locate (well i find 100000 zlibs) not sure what one is the one you want info on
[06:45] <hetauma> is there any known bug with vncviewer in gutsy? I run it but can't interact with the address dialog box or the password
[06:45] <Dr_willis> hetauma,  disable compiz
[06:45] <Dr_willis> had same issue with vncviewer, and some java apps.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> then enter password.. then reenable compiz :)
[06:45] <amias> Dr_willis, the packages should still be in /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:45] <Dr_willis> aparently thers some issues in that area
[06:46] <OpenSorce> any body know what wlan1:ava means in ifconfig output?
[06:46] <Dr_willis> libxml2_2.6.30.dfsg-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:46] <amias> Stonekeeper, sometimes there is a lag between the kernel releases and the restricted modules releases
[06:46] <cpoucet> mlind: so the issue is that it does not download the .gpg file
[06:46] <hetauma> Dr_willis, so it's due to compiz?!?
[06:46] <Dr_willis> ls: *zlib*: No such file or directory
[06:46] <Dr_willis> hetauma,  ive said it is.. :)
[06:47] <Dr_willis> disable compiz and it works.. enable compiz it dont.. therefor its some quirk with compiz.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> or is my logic faulty? :)
[06:47] <amias> Dr_willis, should be zlibc*
[06:47] <Dr_willis> amias,  none there either.. odd
[06:47] <hetauma> Dr_willis, yeap u are right thanx
[06:47] <aguitel> anyone have sony vaio pcg-frv?
[06:48] <amias> Dr_willis, hmm , thanks  might try removing it then
[06:48] <Dr_willis> locate zlibc   finds nothing either.
[06:48] <cpoucet> Apparently it won't download the gpg file.
[06:48] <Dr_willis> I am on clean Installs on all my machines
[06:48] <cpoucet> And it seems the gpg file can not be downloaded from the location that is specified in the FAQs
[06:48] <cpoucet> Help would be welcome
[06:49] <mlind> cpoucet: which mirror are you using to upgrade?
[06:49] <cpoucet> let me check
[06:50] <cpoucet> http://be.arch
[06:50] <mlind> cpoucet: try archive.ubuntu.com instead
[06:50] <cpoucet> http://rafb.net/p/2qTFeC75.html
[06:50] <cpoucet> anything missing on there?
[06:52] <sharperguy> are there any tips for getting gnash to work better?
[06:52] <mc44> contribute code? :)
[06:52] <sharperguy> :p
[06:52] <TheInfinity> hmm
[06:52] <sharperguy> well i hear it works well for some - but not me
[06:52] <TheInfinity> is there any chance to get later madwifi in gutsy release?
[06:54] <TheInfinity> because my (quite new) atheros card is unsupported by the madwifi version in gutsy beta
[06:55] <mc44> new versions are unlikely to get put in at this point in the release
[06:56] <Stonekeeper> amias - thank's just got the right thread in launchpad plus the fix - thanks
[06:57] <OpenSorce> TheInfinity, my (quite old) D-Link doesn't seem to be supported either..
[06:58] <TheInfinity> OpenSorce: dont know - atheros chipset?
[06:58] <cpoucet> mlind: switching to archive.ubuntu.com seems to time out a lot
[06:58] <Stonekeeper> is #ubuntu-release-party going to be equally mad this time?
[06:59] <OpenSorce> TheInfinity, not sure...I have the box crossover cabled to my mac so I can hopefully apt-get install linux-wlan-ng and fix it
[07:00] <mlind> cpoucet: yeah, main mirror gets hammered a lot
[07:00] <TheInfinity> hehe mine is also a mac *g*
[07:01] <hsystem-x> #amarok
[07:02] <OpenSorce> TheInfinity, funny thing is this worked great in 6.06....now 7.10b thinks it's a eth card...
[07:02] <OpenSorce> and we're 10 days from official release?
[07:02] <cpoucet> hmm
[07:02] <cpoucet> I know what the issue might be o.O
[07:02] <cpoucet> Maybe it's my webproxy
[07:06] <reya276> hey does anyone knows if the composite engine will be available to those who have ATI cards
[07:07] <reya276> or better yet does anyone one knows if the new opensource ATI drivers will be implemented with this new Gutsy version on release date
[07:07] <slackern> reya276: the new opensource drivers are already available from repos but they don't support anything like that yet
[07:08] <slackern> reya276: with my older 9800Pro i had compiz-fusion working from the start also in beta versions
[07:08] <amias> reya276, they will become available later on and you can add them when they are stable
[07:09] <slackern> reya276: and the new opensource drivers are under such heavy development right now that the ones you get from repos are outdated, best is to get them with git and compile them yourself
[07:14] <daman340> help trackerd
[07:14] <daman340> hi, i'm having issues with trackerd eating my bandwidth/cpu
[07:14] <daman340> its trying to index my 500GB network share and i dont want it to, how do i stop it from doing that?
[07:17] <void^> system>preferences>indexing preferences i suppose
[07:18] <daman340> what will that do? i just dont want it to crawl network shares. it can crawl my local hd though
[07:18] <reya276> slackern: yeah that whole compiling stuff is what I'm affraid of doing as last time I tried to upgrade my drivers downloading them from ATI it completely screwed up my System and I had to wipe/re-install so I think I'll just wait till Ubuntu Dev make them available to everyone through update
[07:19] <slackern> reya276: which card is it you have btw?
[07:20] <reya276> slackern: I have an ATI X1300
[07:21] <daman340> ok i found the option
[07:21] <daman340> to ignore paths
[07:21] <daman340> in indexing
[07:21] <daman340> its in pref>indexing prefs
[07:21] <daman340> thx
[07:22] <opensorce_> guys......ANYBODY in a helping mood? I have my ubuntu 7.10b box sharing internet with my mac atm while I try to get it's wlan issues resolved....what do I update to make this work?
[07:22] <slackern> reya276: ahh, hmm don't know much about those cards but those are r5xx gpu's so they will work with the opensource 'radeonhd' driver
[07:22] <slackern> reya276: you could always check in #radeonhd, maybe you can help the devs a bit too if they are lacking information about your card
[07:24] <reya276> sweet
[07:24] <reya276> slackern: Thanks man
[07:24] <slackern> reya276: i see that in the mailinglist people with x1300 cards are using it, but there are many variations of those cards
[07:24] <slackern> reya276: but, they are not fast yet but very usable, and development is progressing fast
[07:25] <reya276> slackern:yes I know I have the small form factor version so it's the X1300 pro
[07:25] <Matir> opensorce_, what problems are you having?
[07:26] <OldPink> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_ShipIt_Reopens_pre_order_your_Gutsy_Gibbon_CDs_Now_FREE :D
[07:27] <opensorce_> matir, my wlan card worked fine in 6.06 and now will not in 7.10b
[07:28] <opensorce_> I'm sharing internet with the mac atm so that I can update packages or whatever to fix it...
[07:29] <opensorce_> I grabbed linux-wlan-ng but that didn't help
[07:29] <riotkittie> prism chipset?
[07:29] <opensorce_> no clue....never had to look before....it's old and it always worked
[07:30] <opensorce_> lsusb doesn't tell me
[07:30] <Matir> opensorce_, it's a usb device?
[07:30] <riotkittie> its usb adapter?
[07:30] <opensorce_> yes
[07:32] <opensorce_> I mean....we know it works in windoze, Slack, BSD, Ubuntu 6.06......why would it be broken in 7.10b?
[07:32] <Pici> opensorce_: did you upgrade straight from 6.06 to 7.10?
[07:33] <bazhang> figured out the sound bug--my computer has no external speakers..haha
[07:33] <Pici> ...
[07:33] <opensorce_> pici, I dl'd the iso of 7.10 and installed this morning
[07:33] <Pici> opensorce_: Fresh install or upgrade?
[07:33] <opensorce_> bazhang, lol!!!
[07:33] <riotkittie> :P
[07:33] <opensorce_> pici, fresh install
[07:34] <bazhang> there is a definite bug though with this sound card at launchpad! Don't laugh!
[07:34] <OpenSorce> wow my mac is lagged :-P
[07:34] <Pici> opensorce_: Is it listed in the restricted drivers manager?
[07:34] <opensorce_> pici, what and where is that?
[07:34] <Pici> opensorce_: System>Administration>Restricted Drivers Manager
[07:35] <opensorce_> pici, is there another name for Administration....I don't see that
[07:35] <Pici> opensorce_: This is Gnome or KDE?
[07:35] <opensorce_> Kde
[07:35] <riotkittie> ah ha.
[07:36] <Pici> opensorce_: I'm not sure where in KDE it is, sorry.
[07:36] <bazhang> so either I'm a bonehead, or the last update really did fix the *documented bug*, though the two are not mutually exclusive..haha
[07:36] <OpenSorce> curses!
[07:36] <opensorce_> pici, thanks for trying
[07:36] <Pici> Its somewhere in KDE...
[07:36] <bazhang> there are two opensorce's?
[07:36] <riotkittie> what make/model is this adapter, if you know offhand or can easily take a peek
[07:37] <opensorce_> bazhang, do you know where to find restricted drivers in the Kubuntu?
[07:37] <riotkittie> yes. one has a u. one is deprived in the u department, but does have a lovely underscore.
[07:37] <OpenSorce> nokit, it's a d-link dwl-120+
[07:37] <riotkittie> no wait. theyre both uless.
[07:38] <opensorce_> why did I call you "nokit"??
[07:38] <opensorce_> so is that good or bad?
[07:39] <hetauma> amarok can play .mp3 but can't play streams? why? what should I install ?
[07:39] <OpenSorce> bazhang, yes this is my mac
[07:39] <opensorce_> this is the ubuntu box
[07:39] <bazhang> opensorce_: sure! if you do an apt-cache search in the terminal, then you will find a package called restricted-manager-kde and restricted-manager-core
[07:39] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I love you
[07:40] <bazhang> opensorce_: that's sick..haha
[07:40] <opensorce_> tryng it now
[07:40] <opensorce_> you'd really think it was sick if knew that I was gay :-0
[07:40] <TheInfinity> my webcam also still does not work
[07:41] <TheInfinity> huh. sometimes linux and (quite) new hardware is really lots of stress
[07:41] <riotkittie> if an adapter is fully supported under linux, will it need restricted  drivers?
[07:41] <opensorce_> but do I need it? Is the DWL-120 driver restricted?
[07:42] <opensorce_> I'll install it anyway....my nvidia geforce will need restricted drivers I'm sure
[07:43] <opensorce_> "restricted-manager-kde is already the newest version."
[07:45] <riotkittie> have you tried modprobing acx?
[07:46] <OpenSorce> acx? no....I'll try that though
[07:47] <opensorce_> It still shows as a wired device too....
[07:47] <opensorce_> I seem to be lagged over here now
[07:48] <opensorce_> hmm
[07:49] <OpenSorce> ok, I modprobed acx....don't see any changes..
[07:50] <opensorce_> any other suggestions?
[07:53] <OpenSorce> oh well...maybe I should try out some other distros....come back to ubuntu when 7.10 released
[07:54] <riotkittie> hmm. there... hold a sec
[07:54] <OpenSorce> ?
[07:54] <macogw> wow thats confusing
[07:54] <macogw> you guys have the same username... or is that one person who needs to ghost?
[07:54] <bazhang> OpenSorce: acx? isn't that the ti card?
[07:54] <riotkittie> no, its one guy on too boxes
[07:54] <riotkittie> two
[07:55] <riotkittie> bazhang: yea
[07:55] <WorkingOnWise> is network manager or madwifi broken?
[07:55] <opensorce_> I dunno what the chipset is actually....I can look it up
[07:55] <riotkittie> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html  << opensource driver project for your card. i'm not sure if building it will help or not but if you're up for it, i imagine it cant hurt
[07:56] <riotkittie> it's a ti. i looked it up :P
[07:56] <bazhang> acx=texas instruments
[07:56] <macogw> WorkingOnWise: nm is broken in a few ways
[07:56] <riotkittie> acx100
[07:56] <OpenSorce> riotkittie, you're awsome
[07:56] <riotkittie> nah, if i was awesome, we'd have your problem solved at this point.  :P
[07:56] <macogw> WorkingOnWise: if you can't disable wireless or disable networking or if it doesnt store vpn passwords or if you can't switch to wired once wireless has connected...that's nm being broken
[07:56] <bazhang> acx has no wpa only wep.
[07:56] <macogw> i have to reboot to go from wireless to wired >:-(
[07:57] <OpenSorce> riotkittie, maybe we're getting there
[07:57] <WorkingOnWise> I was downloading pkgs with synaptics, and my internet connection died. nm can see my wifi connection, but can't connect to it. I'm in Winxp (grrr) on the same machine, so hardware and wifi are ok.
[07:57] <riotkittie> in that case, ndiswrapper would be the better choice, bazhang ?
[07:57] <OpenSorce> apt-get it?
[07:58] <bazhang> acx is supported in Ubuntu, or it should be. I had no trouble using it, but didn't want just the easily cracked wep for encryption.
[07:58] <WorkingOnWise> oh, and synaptics was downloading...had not begun installing anything at the time.
[07:59] <riotkittie> there is an unstable release of the driver which does support wpa
[07:59] <WorkingOnWise> oh, and nm can see a neighbors wifi, which is wep, and when I try to connect to it, I am asked for the password...
[07:59] <opensorce_> bazhang, I live in the woods and restrict access by mac addresses.....no real worries on security
[07:59] <bazhang> mac addresses can be spoofed..
[08:00] <riotkittie> yea, but few people go to the woods to look for wifi to steal :P
[08:00] <Skwid_> hey everyone
[08:00] <opensorce_> bazhang, if anybody wants to come to lower Alabama and spoof a mac addess so they can get my mom's cobbler recipes....they're welcome to it :-)
[08:00] <Skwid_> i keep getting crash reports
[08:00] <Skwid_> for all sorts of applications
[08:00] <riotkittie> WorkingOnWise: just curious, what chipset is your wireless adapter equipped with?
[08:00] <Skwid_> in gutsy
[08:00] <Skwid_> but it doesnt seem like the application actually crash
[08:00] <Skwid_> anybody else have the same problem ?
[08:01] <bazhang> opensorce_: haha
[08:01] <riotkittie> Skwid_:  not i. gutsy's been rock solid, for the most part.
[08:01] <riotkittie> mmm. cobbler recipes. <packs a bag>
[08:01] <jager> most of my issues with gutsy are configuration related not stability related
[08:02] <Skwid_> hum ok
[08:02] <jager> no random crashes of note in the last few weeks
[08:02] <riotkittie> Skwid_: did you do a clean install, or did you upgrade from feisty?
[08:02] <Skwid_> upgrade
[08:02] <Skwid_> from fesity
[08:02] <jager> this is a dist-upgrade
[08:02] <Skwid_> which eas upgraded from edgy
[08:02] <Skwid_> :)
[08:02] <OpenSorce> riotkittie, you come right on down...not only will we give you the recipes we'll stuff you full of cobbler before you leave :-)
[08:02] <Skwid_> which was upgraded from breezy lol
[08:03] <Skwid_> i might need a clean install :)
[08:03] <jager> clean installs are for noobs!
[08:03] <jager> muahaha!
[08:03] <Konam> Skwid_ of course you need!
[08:03] <Konam> :)
[08:03] <Konam> i always do a clean install, i have the home in other partition so it doesn't bothers me
[08:04] <OpenSorce> okay...I already had ndiswrapper so I grabbed ndiswrapper-common....what should I do now?
[08:04] <george> Hello, does anyone know how to get the 0x000 address for a parallel port
[08:07] <clusty> how much swap should I have. followed the old rule that swap is double the RAM but i rarely get to use more than 100mb of swap. is it safe to reduce it?
[08:07] <opensorce__> I think the crossover cable I am using is getting old
[08:07] <Pici> clusty: Unless you are planning on suspending to disk, do whatever you feel like :)
[08:07] <savvas> clusty: about 500mb is always good
[08:08] <clusty> Pici: i actually am planing :D
[08:08] <clusty> so should be a wee bit bigger than ram?
[08:08] <Pici> clusty: Then you need at least as much as you have ram.
[08:08] <Pici> Yes.
[08:08] <Pici> I usually do 1.5x-2x ram.
[08:08] <clusty> well 2 GB of ram means 4 GB of swap
[08:08] <clusty> thats what i have
[08:09] <clusty> of which i am using 30mb
[08:09] <clusty> prolly consumption will increase once i am able to use suspend :D
[08:09] <Pici> Yes
[08:09] <clusty> cause now i reboot 2-3 times a day
[08:09] <Pici> I'm only using 34mb of my 2gb of swap, but HD space is cheap, so I'm not worried.
[08:10] <gr33npho3nix> hey guys so its a problem with the madwifi the newer madwifi driver supporting wpa2, it works if i knock it down to WPA  :(
[08:11] <clusty> there was some magical tool to scan the wireless network in range. i need it to find out what channels are my neighbours using . Scouts honor :D
[08:11] <reya276> TheInfinity: I guess it depends, if you need that webcam badly then yes, but if not eventually it will get an update and work
[08:11] <savvas> clusty: aircrack-ng
[08:11] <gr33npho3nix> clusty: iwlist interfaceName scan
[08:12] <TheInfinity> reya276: i know how to activate it, but its so pedantically especially with kernel updates ...
[08:12] <clusty> gr33npho3nix: i have to be disconnected form a particular access point?
[08:13] <gr33npho3nix> clusty: don't know,  maybe, i saw something about the card doing that with a specific driver, so i would assume that it implies disconnecting is not a regular behavior
[08:13] <gr33npho3nix> but even so disconnect for a second
[08:13] <reya276> TheInfinity: Oh boy (pedantically) I'm going to have to look this word up ok, hold on
[08:13] <gr33npho3nix> then reconnect after the scan
[08:14] <TheInfinity> reya276: its also a word my translater said ;)
[08:14] <savvas> pedantical* then
[08:14] <savvas> :p
[08:15] <TheInfinity> savvas: i just made copy&paste :D
[08:15] <reya276> TheInfinity: I know, just messing with you, I actually don't know what it means :-[, LOL
[08:15] <savvas> it's something like "not messy" or "clean"? :p
[08:15] <reya276> Still No Wacom Bambooo Tablet support, very sad..... :-(
[08:15] <opensorce__> this makes me so frustrated.....there's my wifi card in KDE's list of network interfaces...the lights are flashing like it's sending and receiving.....but still nothing
[08:16] <savvas> pedantic = academic: marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects
[08:16] <reya276> have you checked to make sure you have the right adapter selected?
[08:17] <reya276> sometimes it tends to happen, deselect the wired connection and then deselect the Wiereless and then reselect it
[08:18] <reya276> sorry reselect the wireless and leave the wire one unchecked
[08:19] <reya276> sawas: thanks, now I know what it means, boy so....much for that college education huh?
[08:19] <reya276> LOL
[08:19] <OpenSorce> reya276, it only shows the wifi adaptor....and it shows it as a wired card
[08:20] <JediMaster> hmmm, anyone know how to add a boost to the microphone?
[08:20] <lee_> ahh the gustsy server lol
[08:20] <atlef> this is my disk partitions, http://pastebin.com/d6028981e which do I need to format when installing a new version of ubuntu?
[08:20] <lee_> so has any one loaded atis drivers on to gutsy?
[08:20] <reya276> OpenSorce: wow dude, that is strange, this should not happen, ok do this, deselect both and then restart your OS and see what happens, see if it will select the correct one at boo time
[08:21] <lee_> ouch
[08:21] <reya276> it should, you are running gutsy beta right
[08:21] <lee_> yeppers
[08:21] <lee_> save for it saying I am using only 32 megs of video raam everything else is working fine
[08:21] <lee_> eh is it sharing my ram?
[08:22] <WorkingOnWis2> sorry about the rude departure. It seems my wifi problem is router related. sorry
[08:22] <Pici> lee_: What video card do you have?
[08:22] <lee_> Pici I have the radeon x 300
[08:22] <lee_> PICe
[08:22] <OpenSorce> reya276, yes I am....It showed them both before my last reboot and now it just shows wlan1 as a wired card
[08:22] <reya276> lee_: loading ATI drivers on Gutsy Beta is a no no, you should wait until they release an stable version through the Upgrade as I tried do it this and I messed up the install
[08:23] <Pici> The restricted drivers work fine for my radeon x1400
[08:23] <lee_> Pici eh um, er well when the guts comes out as a normal version Ill reformat
[08:23] <amias> JediMaster, try the volume control or alsamixer , there will be a toggle switch if your hardware supports it
[08:23] <Seeker`> hi, I'm having a problem with nvidia-new and my 8800GTS
[08:24] <lee_> Pici messed up waht install?
[08:24] <reya276> lee_: if you are getting a Composite engine not found when trying to enable the effects, you should wait until they release a new version or the frxgl dirvers
[08:25] <lee_> that is strange I havnt recieved that error
[08:25] <OpenSorce> ok...thanks again guys, but I need to find another distro to try out.....I'll revisit this one when they get it working...I'll wait til then to write my article
[08:25] <lee_> oh wait, yes, Idid Oh so that is waht that was all about
[08:26] <lee_> Pici I wish some one would have tol me this sooner lol
[08:26] <reya276> OpenSource: Wait, when you say wlan1, you mean the wireless card or the wired card
[08:26] <Pici> lee_: I didnt say anything about a messed up install or having any problems.
[08:27] <lee_> Pici Oh..I see waht your saying though..so when it comes to the up date then...is that where in I might have the issues?
[08:27] <OpenSorce> reya276, wlan1 is my wireless card....the KDE Network Manager seems to think it's wired and so does iwconfig
[08:28] <Pici> lee_: No, Ask reya276 he was the one who mentioned the issues.
[08:28] <OpenSorce> the gui no longer shows my realtek card even though I can enable it with ifconfig...
[08:28] <reya276> again very starnge, and you are using KDE with Ubuntu Gutsy Beta or Kubuntu?
[08:28] <lee_> Pici, no one told me this befor >< lol
[08:29] <OpenSorce> I am using Kubuntu Gutsy beta I thought...
[08:29] <lee_> reya276 eh waht was taht aobut the issues with the drivers on gutsy and the oops I did?
[08:30] <lee_> pic Ohh sorry my bad tracking of lines..eh needs to where glasses lol
[08:30] <OpenSorce> reya276, either way this is just not a distro I can recommend to new users so I'll revisit it when they fix it
[08:31] <lee_> reya276 how come no one warned me of this befor ?
[08:31] <OpenSorce> reya276, sad part is, everything worked fine on the 6.06 install...I grabbed the gutsy beta to be able to report all the new features :-)
[08:32] <reya276> lee_: yes the thing is Ubuntu/Linux and ATI drivers don't really get along simply because until now ATI did not have opensource drivers, but they do now and eventually things will function better once they release stable drivers. Right now the only thing you can probably do is try to use the effects under an XGL session
[08:32] <Daviey> Seeker`: ^ nobody cares about your nvidia-new problems
[08:32] <Seeker`> :(
[08:33] <reya276> OpenSorce: Well that's not very fair, you are basing this on a beta version to write this article, hell I would recommend this distro to new users, remember this thing officially comes out on the 18th of October
[08:33] <lee_> reya276 erg, how do I do that change from open gl to the other format?
[08:33] <OpenSorce> reya276, all I've managed to accomplish thus far was getting banned from #ubuntu.....and NO....as I said I will revisit it when the official release comes out
[08:34] <bazhang> OpenSorce: she's right.
[08:34] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I agree with her....we'll look at it again on the 18th...maybe they'll get it working by then
[08:34] <bazhang> OpenSorce: and people here have gone out of their way to help you--hope you mention that in your article.
[08:35] <lee_> reya276 erg......this is a pain full lesson lol
[08:35] <reya276> lee_: Well you have to first install XGL server which if you want to get more info and help on how to achieve this I would go to #ubuntu-effects and ask anyone there.
[08:35] <bazhang> or at least break your box further..haha
[08:35] <OpenSorce> bazhang, absolutely!!! This has been one of the most helpful chat experiences I've ever had
[08:35] <JediMaster> I agree, everyone here has been a great help
[08:35] <bazhang> JediMaster: even moi...?
[08:35] <JediMaster> yup =)
[08:35] <bazhang> wowza
[08:36] <savvas> is there a "how to" for installing vmware server?
[08:36] <bazhang> JediMaster: are you fixed yet>
[08:36] <OpenSorce> of course...I DO have to mention that seveas banned me from #ubuntu :-)
[08:36] <bazhang> ?
[08:36] <lee_> well at least I have learned how to change the channels so far in IRC lol
[08:36] <JediMaster> bazhang: everything but the keyboard layout
[08:36] <bazhang> opensorce why?
[08:36] <JediMaster> bazhang: and some solution to get Everquest 2 working in linux lol
[08:36] <OpenSorce> lee_ see? there you go!
[08:36] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I told him to bite me :-)
[08:36] <lee_> while now being stuc in 3 chat rrelays
[08:37] <OpenSorce> I sent him an apology later in a privmsg....I hope he got it
[08:37] <bushwakko> hey, I've installed ubuntu gutsy on my macbook pro
[08:37] <bushwakko> and i'm wondering what the best way to install the new madwifi driver is?
[08:37] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, wow
[08:37] <bushwakko> restricted driver managment didnt find it
[08:37] <bazhang> a brave soul indeed..haha
[08:38] <bushwakko> bazhang, me?
[08:38] <reya276> OpenSorce: I understand, but again, you've should have waited until the official release, hopefully then you can recommend this distro to new users I would 100%
[08:38] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, that makes me want to go trade in my Mercedes for a John Deere!
[08:38] <bazhang> bushwakko: yes!
[08:39] <OpenSorce> reya276, I would have recommended 6.06 if it had been the latest release....I'm sure they'll get this going
[08:39] <bushwakko> well, it isn't that hard ;)
[08:39] <bushwakko> but I'm a ubuntu n00b
[08:39] <bushwakko> I used to use gentoo all the time
[08:39] <bazhang> but a Macbook?
[08:39] <bushwakko> but I don't want to compile the shit outta my fans
[08:39] <bushwakko> macbook pro
[08:39] <bazhang> oy
[08:39] <bushwakko> I'm actually going for tripleboot
[08:39] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, how is gentoo.....I mean if I were a complete noob?
[08:39] <psycose> hi i've install the ubuntu 7.10, few hour later my main alimentation burned ....(what a coincidence) i've put another one and it's ok now
[08:40] <bazhang> vista too?
[08:40] <bushwakko> OpenSorce, I love gentoo, the package system is fantastic
[08:40] <psycose> there is an app called tracker-extract how take 90% of my CPU do you know what is it for ? thanks
[08:40] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, is it as time consuming as it once was?
[08:40] <bushwakko> if you can stand the compiling
[08:40] <bushwakko> well, the cpus are getting faster
[08:40] <reya276> OpenSource: they will and I do hope you come back and try it again, if anything try and stop by the #ubuntu-florida channel and we can probably solve your issue as there will likely be less people on this channel
[08:40] <OpenSorce> bushwakko, hehe
[08:41] <OpenSorce> reya276, well thanks so much :-)
[08:41] <bushwakko> well, but back to my question here
[08:41] <bushwakko> I need newer madwifi drivers
[08:41] <bushwakko> how to get it=
[08:41] <bazhang> !wifi
[08:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:41] <bushwakko> and how do I get compiz fusion in, I can't find any fusion-icon packages
[08:42] <OpenSorce> bazhang, I don't suppose this madwifi business would help my issue would it?
[08:42] <reya276> OpenSource: No problem, that is what we are here for to help each other out
[08:42] <bazhang> for an acx? naw.
[08:43] <reya276> bushwakko: type of graphics card do you have?
[08:43] <psycose> well i try again do you know what is tracker-extract for it take 90% of my CPU .... just when the gnome session start
[08:43] <bushwakko> reya276, ati x1600
[08:43] <bushwakko> the fglrx is installed
[08:43] <OpenSorce> still drives me mad....I can see the lights on this thing trying to connect when I ping....ok, I'm off....thanks again
[08:43] <fyrestrtr> I see alsa is still broken in gutsy
[08:44] <nanonyme> it is?
[08:44] <Pici> psycose: Disable or decrease your indexing usage, I think the option is in System>Preferences>Indexing or Tracker.
[08:44] <reya276> if it's an ATI and you get a message stating you need the composite engine then you will probably not get it going, go to #ubuntu-effects and ask there they should be able to get it going for you
[08:44] <nanonyme> i hadn't noticed
[08:44] <bushwakko> but the restricted driver package doesn't recognize that I ahve that card
[08:44] <bazhang> I got sound going finally...
[08:44] <fyrestrtr> yes, same issue with fiesty -- intel hda audio is not functional on boot.
[08:44] <reya276> bushwakko:if it's an ATI and you get a message stating you need the composite engine then you will probably not get it going, go to #ubuntu-effects and ask there they should be able to get it going for you
[08:44] <fyrestrtr> you have to compile alsa from scratch, iirc.
[08:44] <bushwakko> reya276, I want to install fusion-icon, thats my problem
[08:44] <Th3Oz> hi, is there a repository for virtualbox non OSE (Open Source Edition)?
[08:45] <bazhang> bushwakko: no such package that I know of...
[08:45] <bushwakko> hm
[08:45] <psycose> thanks Pici
[08:45] <fyrestrtr> !info fusion-icon gutsy
[08:45] <ubotu> Package fusion-icon does not exist in gutsy
[08:45] <bushwakko> I thought using fusion-icon was the recommended way to start stuff these days
[08:45] <bazhang> bushwakko: you want compizconfig-settings manager
[08:45] <savvas> Th3Oz: www.virtualbox.org
[08:45] <mlind> fyrestrtr: you have snd_hda_intel in your kernel?'
[08:46] <Th3Oz> savvas: i haven't seen it for gusty
[08:46] <fyrestrtr> mlind: yes, as I had it working properly in fiesty :)
[08:46] <psycose> well i was playing whith my wifi card (rt61) when my main power suply burned (may be 30 minute after the 7.10 install) do you think it could be related ?
[08:46] <mlind> fyrestrtr: sigh* alsa then ..
[08:46] <mulima> hi,   in gutsy  i couldn't play mp3 files using gstreamer appz is there a known bug about this issue ?
[08:46] <informaticous> salut
[08:46] <mulima> i have all gstreamer plugins isntalled and i get this error with totem "Message: don't know how to handle application/x-id3" (using gutsy)
[08:47] <fyrestrtr> mlind: yes, I posted a bug about it (for fiesty); just came in here to check if anyone faced the same issue again. I upgraded from fiesty to gutsy, so I want to eliminate it as an upgrade glitch.
[08:47] <bushwakko> ok
[08:47] <hummer> hi all
[08:47] <bushwakko> I don't seem to have sound either
[08:47] <savvas> Th3Oz: it'll be there when gutsy is final
[08:47] <reya276> bushwakko: you want an Icon? then go to your desktop, click create launcher then in the command enter compiz and then try to click on it and see if it works
[08:48] <mulima> i have the same pbm about mp3 playback with rythmbox and exaile
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: what kind of audio card do you have?
[08:48] <bushwakko> reya276, fusion-icon is the systray icon which you can control everything with
[08:48] <mulima> totem can find any plugin support when i accept i look for a solution
[08:48] <bushwakko> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:48] <bazhang> hi hummer
[08:48] <hummer> can somebody help me to control my asus laptop fan? its always running at a high level...
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: yeah, you have to do the same fix that I did....its in the wiki. Basically you have to recompile alsa from latest sources, and then sound will work.
[08:48] <hummer> i think acpi is not working properly
[08:49] <fyrestrtr> !hda
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, no trigger for it.
[08:49] <bushwakko> fyrestrtr, recompile it manually?
[08:49] <psycose> well i was playing whith my wifi card (rt61) when my main power suply burned (may be 30 minute after the 7.10 install) do you think it could be related ?
[08:49] <bushwakko> fyrestrtr, how does ubuntu like manually installed stuff? or can I use apt to compile it too?
[08:49] <informaticous> franais c'est ou
[08:49] <bazhang> bushwakko: it should work, I have the same card and it's fine with the latest update.
[08:49] <bazhang> !fr
[08:49] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:50] <bushwakko> I have latest update
[08:50] <bushwakko> might have to restart though
[08:50] <informaticous> tenkui
[08:50] <bazhang> log out and back in again
[08:50] <bushwakko> bazhang, after manual recompile or after update?
[08:51] <bazhang> bushwakko: why do you want to compile?
[08:51] <bushwakko> fyrestrtr told me to
[08:51] <hummer> nobody with an asus laptop in here?
[08:51] <bazhang> yes
[08:51] <bushwakko> I just updated my stuff, and I logged in and out
[08:51] <bushwakko> still no sound
[08:51] <bushwakko> no /dev/dsp either
[08:52] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: seems its a known issue, as there is already a bug and a wiki entry for it.
[08:52] <fyrestrtr> bushwakko: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[08:52] <bushwakko> where is this wiki
[08:52] <bushwakko> ok
[08:52] <bazhang> bushwakko: try making sure you are fully up to date, then log out then back in again--I rebooted, but that was because of a kernel update--maybe you are right you need to reboot.
[08:52] <psycose> scrollkeeper-up take 70% of my CPU do you know why ?
[08:53] <hummer> hd audio worked fine for me @bushwakko
[08:53] <bushwakko> I have the .13 kernel
[08:53] <fyrestrtr> its regression (unfortunately)
[08:53] <LiMaO> had to give up gutsy.. i could stand the minor bugs, but having a non working openoffice was too much for me hehe
[08:53] <bazhang> psycose: no idea
[08:53] <malajenho> hi
[08:53] <malajenho>  hi,i've installed GUTSY GIBBON and after actualize my ATI propietary driver and now my screen resolution is  640x480,anyone know where is the problem?
[08:53] <fyrestrtr> LiMaO: I hope you reported your bugs.
[08:53] <bushwakko> ok
[08:53] <bushwakko> will try to restart
[08:53] <bushwakko> brb
[08:53] <hummer> cya
[08:54] <LiMaO> fyrestrtr: all of them were reported already, i just confirmed some
[08:54] <fyrestrtr> malajenho: just edit your xorg.conf and update the resolutions.
[08:54] <psycose> well i was playing whith my wifi card (rt61) when my main power suply burned (may be 30 minute after the 7.10 install) do you think it could be related ?
[08:55] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, brb.
[08:55] <malajenho> yep,but what resolutions had I to insert ?
[08:56] <bushwakko> I'm fully up to date now
[08:56] <bushwakko> and restarted
[08:56] <bushwakko> still no sound
[08:56] <bushwakko> and I need help to get my madwifi installed
[08:57] <hummer> i need help to get control over my acpi options :-(
[09:01] <reya276> bushwakko: but in gutsy the default install comes with compiz embeded so you have to go into the preferences>apperance and select effects or something like that then you can select custom and look at any configurations on there
[09:01] <bazhang> reya276: that's true for gnome, not kde
[09:02] <bazhang> hiya winbond!
[09:02] <reya276> but if you are running an ATI card you might get the Composite Engine not installed or not found then you should visit #Ubuntu-effects.
[09:02] <winbond> bazhang, hi
[09:03] <winbond> winbond, howz it going
[09:03] <reya276> bazhang: as I recall when you download the Ubuntu Gutsy Beta the default install is Gnome not KDE so when someone comes in here asking for help on issues with Gutsy Beta unless they specify they are using KDE I will assume is Gnome
[09:03] <bazhang> winbond: I liked your other nick much better
[09:04] <FatMom> so, when I install gusty desktop, I have no problem. But when I install gutsy server, I have no internet, trying to apt-get update result in failure resolv, but the install did detect my network card AND the dhcp. my hosts and resolv.conf are same as the desktop install, wich works
[09:04] <bazhang> reya276: flawed assumption; plenty of folks like kde..haha ubuntu is compiz-fusion enabled, but kubuntu is not--so if you say gutsy is compiz-fusion enabled, that will create some confusion..
[09:04] <winbond> damnit im lagging out again
[09:06] <winbond> bazhang, i got banned from suse :o) , it ok , cause i wasnt gonna use MS-SUSE ever again anyway
[09:07] <winbond> bazhang, i asked them if their windows update was working,
[09:07] <reya276> bazhang: go visit the Ububtu Gustsy Download site and download the default PC install and you will see that when you install Gusty Beta the default is Gnome Not KDE unless you download Kubuntu, so yes lots of people use KDE it but that is not the default install and on gusty the Compiz effects are embeded but they won't work well if you have an ATI card, so your assumption is flawed buddy
[09:07] <bazhang> winbond: that was the funniest thing I have ever seen...cheers to you sir...hahhahahaa
[09:08] <FatMom> any idea?
[09:09] <bazhang> reya276: this site? http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[09:09] <xid> so I ran "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde"
[09:09] <xid> but where is compiz?
[09:09] <xid> how do I enable it now?
[09:10] <reya276> bazhang: Exactly as I said unless you are downloading the Kubuntu Version not Ubuntu Gusty, they are two different things ;-)
[09:10] <bazhang> reya276: as long as we agree to disagree..haha
[09:10] <reya276> so if he would have specified this, would have saved him lot's of wait time on his answers
[09:11] <reya276> I guess
[09:11] <lerolero> shazam
[09:11] <FatMom> anyone?
[09:12] <mzuverink> Is there a gnome equiv to KCron?
[09:13] <hummer> how can i turn off my bluetooth device?
[09:13] <savvas> FatMom: try: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:14] <reya276> bazhang: what they should do is have a room called #Kubuntu+1 for specific KDE issues this way there is no confusion, cause when I see Ubuntu+1 I only thing Gnome
[09:14] <FatMom> savvas: I will try, need to reboot
[09:14] <vasuvi> I don't have a Launchpad account and found (and easily fixed) a bug in the update-notifier package if anyone with a Launchpad account wants to submit a bug report: Line 7 of /usr/share/gconf/schemas/update-notifier.schemas (in package update-notifier) is <default>false/default> ; it needs to be <default>false</default>
[09:15] <bazhang> reya276: I think irc channels cost too much..hahha
[09:15] <reya276> bazhang: Pretty sure everyone else does too specially when they don't know the difference, cause there are lots of newbies switching, nah dude I'm being serious.
[09:16] <bazhang> reya276: you really want to take this to offtopic? cos you win..hahaha
[09:18] <reya276> bazhang: because like for example when you mentioned this to me my first though was why would they be in a Ubuntu room, oh no dude not need for you to take it like that, this is not about winning or loosing simply trying to figure out a way that will better help does who are using specific desktops that's all
[09:18] <Lynoure> reya276: there is not very many kubuntu users heree, but there are some...
[09:18] <Lynoure> s/heree/here
[09:19] <FatMom> savvas: I had errors, eth0 no such device, what the hell
[09:19] <savvas> FatMom: I guess it didn't work :)
[09:19] <savvas> heh
[09:19] <mzuverink> vasuvi, thats what mine says, maybe that update that just appeared was that fix, if so, good looking out if it was cause of you!
[09:19] <savvas> no other devices, FatMom ?
[09:20] <FatMom> but why with the desktop it works fine?
[09:20] <FatMom> both are 7.10 btw
[09:20] <reya276> Lynoure: right, which is why I was explaining to bazhang as to why I was confused about someone asking for an Icon for compiz fusion when in Gnome the there is an effects tab in apperance. so it was my fault for assuming, but you got to admit, #Ubuntu+1 is confusing
[09:20] <FatMom> savvas: no
[09:20] <savvas> FatMom: well.. you could try and install ubuntu-desktop on the server and see if that fixes it, maybe it's a package installed along with the desktop and not with server
[09:21] <savvas> FatMom: you're using a router right?
[09:21] <FatMom> I only have 1 network card, wich was detected during the install, as well as dhcp
[09:21] <savvas> wired or wireless?
[09:21] <FatMom> wired
[09:21] <vasuvi> mzuverink: Have you updated in the last hour or so?  I didn't have that error *until* I updated.  (Though it's possible that it could be the mirror I'm using, though that would be odd; ftp.acc.umu.se )
[09:21] <FatMom> destkop is already installed...
[09:21] <savvas> well.. it should work
[09:21] <FatMom> I'm on it right now
[09:22] <savvas> I'm out of ideas ma'am :)
[09:22] <mzuverink> vasuvi, I just now updated it seconds before your post
[09:22] <xid> is there a decent wiki somewhere that will show me how to get compiz on KDE with an nvidia card on gutsy?
[09:22] <FatMom> :(
[09:22] <FatMom> thats realy wierd
[09:22] <xid> I tried running this "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde"
[09:22] <xid> but I don't see any graphical enhancements or new control panels for compiz
[09:23] <FatMom> theres tons of tuto about that xid
[09:23] <vasuvi> mzuverink: Well, then either it was fixed fast, it is a server problem, or my Ubuntu installation is just weird ;)
[09:23] <ppj> hey guys im kind of confused on something. i have an icon for GL Desktop, is that a part of compiz fusion?
[09:24] <ppj> i dont remember ever seeing it
[09:24] <reya276> xid: Got me, any KDE users want to take this one? and I'm off. LOL
[09:24] <ppj> i still have the advanced desktop setting icon
[09:24] <Lynoure> xid: sorry, I use kubuntu, but none of the wobbly stuff
[09:25] <mzuverink> vasuvi, my bad, it is actually the way you stated it, I just read wrong, it is / instead of </
[09:25] <jager> wobblies are fun!
[09:26] <clusty> hey
[09:26] <clusty> new updates to update-notifier are giving some error
[09:26] <clusty> is it a bug?
[09:26] <mzuverink> vasuvi, I fixed mine now and will report the bug for you
[09:28] <megaqwerty> I just did a clean install of Gutsy, and I had backed up my ".mozilla-thunderbird" folder. (I had been using the latest thunderbird built from source at the time.) I figured all would go smoothly when I transitioned, so I was surprised to see that when I put .mozilla-thunderbird back in its place, my mail didn't appear. I noticed that thunderbird was reading my mail from a different folder, so I redirected it to the correct one. It seems to
[09:29] <kfoltman> hi
[09:30] <kfoltman> do you know anything about a bug that causes the 2.6.22 kernels not to boot on some machines (= my machine and I hope nothing else)
[09:31] <lerolero> google ?
[09:31] <Ximal> someone help... lol... i've been waiting 12 hours for setup to finish importing documents..
[09:31] <Ximal> lol
[09:31] <Ximal> the installation is at 88%
[09:33] <atlef> i share my thunderbird folder with vista from a ntfs disk :-)
[09:33] <fyrestrtr> Ximal_: importing documents?
[09:34] <megaqwerty> atlef: that's nice...but somehow doesn't help me...
[09:34] <atlef> i just wanted to say
[09:34] <usser> megaqwerty: i had something similar
[09:34] <atlef> have yoy tried thunderbird -profilemanager and make a new user
[09:35] <fyrestrtr> megaqwerty: this is not a gutsy problem, but a thunderbird issue.
[09:35] <usser> megaqwerty: rename .mozilla-thunderbird and let thunderbird create its own
[09:35] <fyrestrtr> megaqwerty: as the same happens on Windows as well.
[09:35] <andre> Hi guys
[09:35] <MTecknology> has this issue been reported, or is it on my side? http://paste.lisp.org/display/48850
[09:35] <megaqwerty> usser: and then transfer the files?
[09:36] <usser> megaqwerty: then copy the contents of your backed up .mozilla-thunderbird/<some number>.default
[09:36] <riotkittie> mmm. profile issues. that reminds me, i should back mine up to be on the safe side
[09:36] <megaqwerty> usser: alright, thanks, I'll try it
[09:36] <usser> megaqwerty: to the thunderbird created one
[09:37] <MTecknology> anybody have any info on that error?
[09:37] <kfoltman> lerolero: tried, but came up with nothing... a custom compled 2.6.22 works, but I changed so many things comparing to the original config that it might be hard to isolate the cause
[09:37] <andre> I just upgraded to Gutsy, I was used the NV restricted driver on Feisty, after the upgrade, I couldn't get dual monitors to work...
[09:37] <Nukeador> hi there
[09:38] <MTecknology> if it's a quick fix, i'll do it - if it's a bug, i'll report it, if it's been reported - what's the link?
[09:38] <Nukeador> Why Gusty enable XGL server by default for my ATI 9600 where the free drivers used to work perfect with AIXGL?
[09:38] <andre> My monitors aren't being automatically recognised (they are in the list though)
[09:39] <andre> My manually setting my display settings, only one monitor is recognised.
[09:39] <andre> any ideas?
[09:39] <WorkingOnWise> anyone care to compare and contrast google desktop with other linux search/index systems?
[09:41] <mzuverink> When changing the login screen you are supposed to be able to also choose a color, despite changing mine from the default brown to a more decent color, it stays brown.  Where are the config settings for that so I may just make the change by hand?
[09:42] <crimsun> mzuverink: even after `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm reload` and logging out & back in?
[09:43] <bushwakko> ok, now my wifi is working
[09:43] <megaqwerty> usser: you're a lifesaver. That worked!
[09:43] <mzuverink> crimsun, yes
[09:43] <megaqwerty> usser: wait...no, it didn't :(
[09:43] <usser> megaqwerty: heh
[09:43] <megaqwerty> usser: I think I'll try sending over one folder at a time
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: does it say reading email from disk or whatever
[09:44] <OpenSorce> ick.....looks like I'll be trying out openSuse 10.3 for my next article :-(
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: nah it was something different i cant remember
[09:44] <Nukeador> Is it posible to unable xgl in gusty? the free ati driver works perfect with aixgl forr my card....
[09:44] <mzuverink> crimsun, the color I chose even stays the same after the login/logout stuff, but the color really stays brown
[09:44] <megaqwerty> usser: Oh, it shows all my emails senders, subject, etc. but when trying to open it, it segfaults
[09:44] <gavintlgold> hmm.. i seem to be stuck without x... all i did was update
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: u copying this folder from another linux install right?
[09:44] <megaqwerty> usser: yeah, Feisty
[09:44] <gavintlgold> using tirc right now
[09:44] <usser> megaqwerty: was your user name the same?
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: on feisty
[09:45] <megaqwerty> usser: yep
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: hm
[09:45] <gavintlgold> :/
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: still do chown -R <yourusername>:<yourusername> .mozilla-thunderbird
[09:45] <usser> megaqwerty: your backed up one
[09:46] <megaqwerty> usser: I think so...hold on
[09:46] <mzuverink> crimsun, Ill try it again, brb
[09:46] <megaqwerty> usser: I'll do it again, but I think so
[09:47] <gavintlgold> I installed updates, and it asked me if I wanted it to change the configuration file, but that seems to have broken x
[09:47] <gavintlgold> it doesn't identify my nvidia card
[09:47] <andre> GAvintlgold: ditto
[09:47] <gavintlgold> andre: so is this a known problem with the nvidia modules?
[09:48] <andre> I don't know
[09:48] <gavintlgold> :(
[09:48] <andre> I'm also trying to get my problem solved
[09:48] <bit0> hi
[09:48] <gavintlgold> good to know i'm not alone :P
[09:49] <gavintlgold> andre: but all you did was update, and you have nvidia?
[09:49] <andre> Damn,  I busted a guitar string!
[09:49] <megaqwerty> usser: this might take a min, I'm transferring over a gig again.
[09:49] <scizzo-> what do you mean it broke X?
[09:50] <usser> megaqwerty: wow
[09:50] <gavintlgold> scizzo-: x doesn't work anymore
[09:50] <bit0> where is Gutsy stopper bugs?
[09:50] <gavintlgold> i get the failsafe x
[09:50] <scizzo-> gavintlgold: yes well, have you looked in logs and so on about why?
[09:51] <andre> gavintlgold: yeah, upgraded to beta from feisty, now Nvidia support is poor... :(
[09:51] <gavintlgold> scizzo-: could you direct me to logs and such?
[09:51] <gavintlgold> i know how to use text editors, just not where the logs might be
[09:51] <scizzo-> gavintlgold: /var/log/
[09:51] <gavintlgold> all right
[09:51] <scizzo-> gavintlgold: there is a logfile there called Xorg.0.log
[09:51] <usser> megaqwerty: u can also try copying just Mail folder
[09:52] <andre> scizzo-: I get a launch in low graphics mode everytime I try to log in :(
[09:52] <scizzo-> andre: a what?
[09:52] <LiMaO> has anyone here ever used PING for system backup?
[09:52] <Ximal__> hi >?
[09:53] <megaqwerty> usser: that's alright, I'm trying to figure out why thunderbird thinks it's still open...
[09:53] <Ximal> hi ?
[09:53] <usser> Ximal: hello?
[09:53] <usser> :)
[09:53] <megaqwerty> usser: there doesn't seem to be a file called "lock" in the .mozilla-thunderbird dir...
[09:54] <mzuverink> crimsun, seems the background changes, but after you login, before the desktop loads up and the wallpaper is shown, all you see is brown
[09:54] <andre> scizzo-: when launching X, it won't recognize my graphics card
[09:54] <bazhang> Ximal: what's your question?
[09:54] <Ximal> thank goodness... the lag is temporarily gone
[09:54] <megaqwerty> usser: I'll reboot be back in a few minutes.
[09:54] <usser> megaqwerty: ok
[09:54] <scizzo-> andre: well I had to reconfigure X to get it going correct after updat
[09:54] <crimsun> mzuverink: hmm, I don't recall offhand whether that's gdm or gnome-session
[09:55] <Ximal> ok.. baz .. my laptop's install keeps hanging at around 88% on importing documents and settings..
[09:55] <andre> k sec
[09:55] <Ximal> I can't get it to finish installing... i'm doing oem right now to see if it works ... the regular install was hung for over 12 hours from before when i went to sleep last night
[09:56] <andre> be right back :)
[09:56] <mzuverink> crimsun, normally from my experience the gdm background color is what you see until the session is full loaded and the wallpaper/background color chose in gnome session is going, I may be wrong, but either way, its brown from login to wallpaper
[09:56] <vasuvi> mzuvernink: sorry, was afk there for a while; thanks for reporting the bug for me :)
[09:56] <bazhang> Ximal: I had this same issue--turns out the media I wrote the ISO to was faulty--burned a new installer ISO disk (gutsy..shhh..) and it was fixed.
[09:57] <mzuverink> vasuvi, best to report if in doubt
[09:57] <bazhang> oh wait this #ubuntu+1
[09:57] <Ximal> i've burned intel and amd64 bit which my processor on laptop is 64 bit..
[09:57] <Ximal> and it's not working... period
[09:57] <Ximal> i burned it as slow as 3x
[09:57] <megaqwerty> usser: do you have any idea where thunderbird's lock file is? Rebooting didn't fix it
[09:58] <bazhang> Ximal: it's likely that it's not the burn speed but the quality of the media..
[09:58] <usser> megaqwerty: its there in that dir
[09:58] <usser> .mozilla-thunderbird/nonsense.default
[09:58] <uga> Seeker`: if nobody cares about your problems, dont' care about them either. Just don't report bugs, remove all stupid .debs and install nvidia run installer
[09:58] <uga> remove all lrm packages and have fun
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> Ximal: that MAY be a problem with the migration assistant
[09:59] <megaqwerty> usser: do you know the name of the file?
[09:59] <usser> megaqwerty: .lock
[09:59] <uga> Daviey: you sure rock as support, man
[09:59] <Ximal> yeah.. i don't care if it copies settings from my windows partition aye ? i just don't understand what it's hanging on since there's no option for terminal view..
[10:00] <Ximal> or any option for status view
[10:00] <vasuvi> I wonder if the #ubuntu+1 channel will get a lot more quiet after Gutsy is released; it would take a brave soul (or is that a Hardy soul ;) ) to test Hardy the moment it starts development
[10:00] <bazhang> 11/29!
[10:01] <Ximal> going to try oem install
[10:01] <Ximal> see yall soon..
[10:01] <uga> Seeker`: what's the actual problem
[10:01] <megaqwerty> sorry 'bout that
[10:01] <usser> megaqwerty: its actually just lock
[10:01] <neildarlow> hi, has anyone got ntpd working successfully? ntpq indicates there are no association IDs for me
[10:01] <bushwakko> ok, now both wifi and sound works
[10:02] <usser> megaqwerty: are u sure thunderbird is not running
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> bushwakko: speet
[10:02] <megaqwerty> usser: yeah, I just rebooted
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> *sweet
[10:02] <bushwakko> only compiz and touchpad left then
[10:02] <megaqwerty> usser: usser: find .mozilla-thunderbird/ | grep lock turns up nothing, as do visual inspections
[10:02] <bushwakko> and I
[10:02] <bushwakko> and I'm peachy
[10:02] <megaqwerty> whoops...
[10:02] <usser> megaqwerty: and whats the exact error it gives?
[10:03] <megaqwerty> "Thunderbird is already running but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Thunderbird process, or restart your system."
[10:03] <uga> killall -9 thunderbird?
[10:04] <megaqwerty> uga: it's not running
[10:04] <uga> heh
[10:04] <megaqwerty> !ps aux | grep thunder
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps aux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <megaqwerty> whoops..haven't enabled that plugin yet
[10:04] <neildarlow> megaqwerty: i've opened a bug report to the effect that thunderbird-2 is very unstable. it locks-up for me and doesn't even display unread message counts for IMAP. i wish they'd withdraw it in favour of 1.5.x
[10:04] <hsystem-x> megaqwerty, use ps -ef|grep USERNAME-HERE
[10:05] <hsystem-x> then look at the process it will show and search for thunder.
[10:05] <hsystem-x> then kill -9 PID
[10:05] <hsystem-x> PID = id number.
[10:05] <uga> oh btw, am I the only one seeing that usually firefox doesnt' start on first run?
[10:05] <megaqwerty> hsystem-x: it's not running
[10:05] <uga> it usually takes two executions to start up
[10:05] <Daviey> uga: thanx
[10:06] <wabiD> i fixed the click to see panels bug
[10:06] <megaqwerty> man I'm confused...
[10:06] <uga> Daviey: be sure I'll respond in the same or worse way when you have any trouble
[10:06] <andre> gavintlgold: is your prob fixed?
[10:06] <wabiD> possibly
[10:06] <uga> Daviey: which, I really hope, you'll run into one, very soon
[10:06] <Daviey> oh goody
[10:06] <SVisor> wabiD: How?
[10:06] <wabiD> enable widget layers in compiz
[10:06] <neildarlow> uga: i did see that once. i can't recollect how long ago it was though
[10:06] <megaqwerty> I'll just delete .mozilla-thunderbird
[10:07] <usser> megaqwerty: yea,
[10:07] <uga> I always see that first time I open a kde session and try to run it through the minicli
[10:07] <usser> megaqwerty: just wanted to suggest that )
[10:07] <usser> megaqwerty: try just copying Mail folder
[10:07] <neildarlow> uga: i think it was the very early 2.0.0.x versions. about 2.0.0.3 fixed it iirc
[10:07] <megaqwerty> indeed I shall
[10:07] <uga> or after a while has gone of any firefox use
[10:08] <usser> megaqwerty: u'll have to create accounts again but at least your mail will be there
[10:08] <megaqwerty> usser: indeed
[10:08] <uga> neildarlow: 2.0.0.6 here
[10:08] <andre> gavintlgold: ?
[10:08] <uga> neildarlow: I wonder if it's some older firefox config files around left
[10:08] <scizzo-> andre: did a new config work ok?
[10:08] <andre> scizzo-: I couldn't find your name :( hehe
[10:09] <andre> scizzo-: yes that was my exact problem!!!
[10:09] <neildarlow> uga: possibly. i've done a clean install recently
[10:09] <andre> scizzo-: finally the opensource driver support for dual monitors!!!!
[10:09] <scizzo-> andre: hehe
[10:09] <andre> scizzo-:  Just like feisty kicked ass, I believe so will Gutsy,  VERY NICE
[10:10] <mzuverink> crimsun, did you have a chance to see if it was a gdm or gnome -session issue?  Ill hand config if i know where to go?
[10:10] <mzuverink> crimsun, no pressure:-)
[10:10] <neildarlow> andre: it's already kicked mine once already. it hosed /home/ and /var :)
[10:10] <riffic> hello I am having problems with a bluetooth adapter and bluetooth mouse.. it'll work until the computer is inactive for some amount of time, then it stops working
[10:10] <riffic> and sometimes restarting gdm gets it to work again and sometimes it doesn't
[10:11] <riffic> and a reboot is needed
[10:12] <riffic> I really don't know much about the bluetooth subsystem so I have no idea where to even start when it comes to troubleshooting this
[10:12] <megaqwerty> usser: yep, that did it....I'm serious this time.
[10:12] <megaqwerty> usser: thanks
[10:12] <scizzo-> andre: well I am using nvidia drivers with dual monitors
[10:13] <usser> megaqwerty: alright, np it although im sorry it got so ugly
[10:13] <andre> scizzo-: the proprietaries?
[10:13] <uga> riffic: weird, do you have anything like autosuspending on?
[10:13] <riffic> its a default beta install, i have no idea
[10:13] <megaqwerty> usser: eh, it matters not. Now...to set up all my other accounts ;)
[10:13] <amitReg> Hi ... How do I know which glibc library has been installed in the system ??
[10:13] <amitReg> anyone who can help me.
[10:13] <riffic> clean beta install
[10:13] <uga> riffic: it sounds like an acpi effect, that's why
[10:14] <riffic> yeah probably something wierd like that
[10:14] <riffic> would that be logged?
[10:14] <scizzo-> andre: ?
[10:14] <uga> riffic: possibly under /var/log/acpid
[10:15] <uga> not too sure though. I rarely use acpi at all, being on a desktop, myself
[10:16] <riffic> yeah this is a desktop as well
[10:16] <riffic> i just use the bluetooth mouse with usb adapter because it is wireless
[10:16] <riffic> and more fun
[10:16] <riffic> =)
[10:16] <riffic> my wired mouse doesn't like me stupid microsoft piece of junk
[10:16] <andre> scizzo-: the proprietary nvidia drivers, or the Ubuntu supported drivers?
[10:17] <scizzo-> andre: yes
[10:17] <spr0k3t> bazhang: any update on the sound?
[10:17] <andre> scizzo-: cool,  I'm kicking those to the curb now that I don't need them
[10:18] <andre> scizzo-: like a bad habit
[10:18] <uga> andre: both are proprietary, if he means nvidia drivers (vs nv drivers)
[10:18] <riffic> anyways i'd like to help whoever is working on bluetooth to maybe get this thing to be less buggy
[10:18] <bazhang> spr0k3t: yes. it's fixed, at least for the intel hda chip.
[10:18] <riffic> if that means sending logs along i'm willing to help
[10:18] <riffic> i just don't know what to do though
[10:18] <spr0k3t> bazhang: damn
[10:18] <andre> uga: ubuntu supports the nv opensource drivers
[10:19] <spr0k3t> bazhang: I haven't seen a fix for mine yet.
[10:19] <uga> andre: okay, I thought you meant nvidia packages provided in lrm
[10:19] <bazhang> spr0k3t: sorry...
[10:19] <uga> andre: those aren't of much use anyway. I'd rather buy a cheap gfx card instead
[10:19] <andre> uga:  what are you talking about
[10:19] <uga> nv drivers
[10:20] <andre> uga: do you know what nv drivers are?
[10:20] <uga> sure I do
[10:20] <chrono13> External hard drive not mounting. And it is not the gparted bug either. It is not showing in fstab. Any way I can get this mounted, and if not, is there a bug# I might be able to contribute to?
[10:20] <uga> non accelerated opensource drivers
[10:20] <uga> which are of not much use unless you love wasting your gfx card power
[10:20] <andre> uga: they are non-accelerated?
[10:20] <uga> they aren't
[10:20] <uga> nv driver is only 2d accelerated if so
[10:21] <andre> uga... well damn
[10:21] <andre> uga:  don't tell me I have to switch back.... sec I'm gonna run a 3d app.
[10:21] <uga> heh, you'll have to, if you want 3d =)
[10:21] <uga> try glxgears
[10:21] <chrono13> Mounts flash drives fine, just not usb hdd.
[10:22] <bazhang> bye all
[10:22] <chrono13> bye baz
[10:23] <andre> uga:  runs fin
[10:23] <andre> runs fine
[10:23] <andre> 5000 fps
[10:23] <andre> :D I'm on a 7800 GTX though
[10:23] <andre> I'm gonn stick with the NV drivers ;)
[10:23] <andre> plus urban terror ran the very best
[10:24] <chrono13> Chromium is my favorite 3d test. If it plays, I've got 3d, and I get to waste the next 10 minutes "testing" my acceleration.
[10:24] <bascule> hardest gane ever?
[10:24] <Ximal> I found the fix for the hang with the install
[10:24] <Ximal> I think I have..
[10:24] <Ximal> lol
[10:24] <chrono13> It's pretty freakin hard
[10:24] <andre> chrono13: what's chromium?
[10:25] <chrono13> 2 1/2 D space-shooter
[10:25] <bascule> andre: a really hard vertical scroll shooter
[10:25] <chrono13> If an enemy gets by you, you lose a life. Pretty hard core.
[10:25] <chrono13> lol
[10:25] <andre> ah cool :)
[10:26] <andre> chrono13: haha
[10:27] <chrono13> That game will make you feel inadequate. Had to fire up some emulation to make sure I really hadn't lost that much skill.
[10:28] <andre> thanks,  Gutsy is gonna be a great release :)
[10:28] <andre> chears
[10:28] <bascule> chrono13: even the "Fish in a Barrel" skill level is tough to me :)
[10:29] <chrono13> Anyway, I'll probably just do a reinstall to see if that clears my external HDD mounting issue. Thankfully home is on it's own partition : )
[10:30] <chrono13> later
[10:35] <osmosis> anyone know why  the package   vim-full   wants to install a bunch of gnome stuff ?
[10:36] <bstock> because vim full comes with a gui
[10:36] <WorkingOnWise> ok, this may really suck. I'm on Gutsy AMD64 and I just tried to install the deb for google desktop. It of course is for x86. Is there a clean-ish way to run this and other x86 pkgs?
[10:36] <bascule> osmosis: gvim i guess
[10:36] <bstock> which apparently uses gnome stuff
[10:37] <osmosis> vim-python   has a similair issue.
[10:41] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: what's google desktop?
[10:42] <LiMaO> nevermind, i googled for it and found out
[10:42] <LiMaO> anyway, gutsy comes with a desktop search, why would you need an external one?
[10:43] <bstock> is it run by beagle?
[10:43] <bstock> cuz last time i tried beagle, mono hosed one of my processors
[10:44] <nzero> hey guys
[10:44] <nzero> hey seveas
[10:45] <MeisterHora> hi nzero :)
[10:45] <nzero> i just updated and got this
[10:46] <nzero> major errors
[10:46] <bstock> a little detail might help..
[10:48] <nzero> not sure just said not all packages were installed
[10:49] <nzero> i just got notified of the update, wondered if anybody else did too
[10:51] <LjL> what update?
[10:53] <nzero> one second
[10:53] <nzero> weird
[10:54] <nzero> not i can't find  any thing on the error
[10:54] <nzero> wierd, never had that happen before
[10:55] <clusty> !pastebin
[10:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:55] <OpenSorce> on the alternate install cd, does it let you select a drive to install on in OEM Install?
[10:55] <clusty> hey
[10:56] <clusty> after one updat i get this error message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39999/
[10:56] <OpenSorce> anybody ever used the OEM Install option?
[10:59] <mon^rch> mon^rch
[10:59] <mon^rch> :/
[11:00] <OpenSorce> anybody ever used the OEM Install option? Anybody??
[11:00] <mon^rch> trying to get lines with my nick in them to be highlighted.... somebody say my nick :/
[11:01] <OpenSorce> mon^rch, there
[11:01] <mon^rch> :)
[11:01] <mon^rch> ty
[11:01] <mon^rch> but it don't work :(
[11:01] <WorkingOnWise> sorry to post and poof... LiMaO yeah gutsy has a built in search, but is is limited compared to Google Desktop. bstock Last time I tried beagle I also had problems.
[11:02] <OpenSorce> anybody ever used the OEM Install option? even once?? Anyone? I just need a ver simple question answered....
[11:02] <usser> OpenSorce: is there a reason to use it
[11:02] <LiMaO> WorkingOnWise: i just wish sketchup would work with wine, or better yet have a native version... that's the only thing i'm expecting from google atm
[11:02] <OpenSorce> usser, yes....have you used it?
[11:03] <usser> OpenSorce: well yes i did one time
[11:03] <WorkingOnWise> LiMaO: I am going to virtualize Windows for a while, till the few windows apps I live off of make it to Linux, like sketchup
[11:03] <OpenSorce> usser, great did it let you pick which drive to install on?
[11:04] <LiMaO> i'm using virtualbox too =/ and that's a pity..
[11:04] <clusty> any1?
[11:04] <usser> OpenSorce: it did when it asks about partitioning
[11:04] <LiMaO> been almost 4 years without windows.. and now i have to use that thing again
[11:04] <OpenSorce> usser, thanks so much :-)
[11:04] <usser> OpenSorce: hang on im gonna make sure
[11:05] <OpenSorce> usser....ahhhh!!! I'm using it now!!
[11:06] <usser> OpenSorce: its just gonna take a minute
[11:06] <usser> OpenSorce: im running it in vmware right now
[11:06] <Creationist> What Firefox plugin is used in KDE to view embedded videos?  I don't want to have to use MPlayer and the VLC plugin doesn't work.
[11:07] <savvas> WorkingOnWise: what kind of apps?
[11:07] <riffic> oh i can't wait for html5 compliant browsers
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[11:07] <OpenSorce> usser, well it's already setting up my network....hopefully it will ask me about the drive to install on in a second...
[11:07] <usser> OpenSorce: yea it doe
[11:07] <usser> s
[11:07] <riffic> built in theora playability
[11:07] <riffic> good stuff
[11:07] <usser> OpenSorce: just choose manual partitioning
[11:08] <savvas> how about some x64 codes for flash? :(
[11:08] <savvas> it's been 3 bloody years, I ought to start flaming adobe around :P
[11:08] <OpenSorce> usser, thanks again
[11:08] <usser> Creationist: i use mplayer-plugin
[11:09] <Creationist> hmm... yeah.  I always have too, just never liked it.
[11:09] <LiMaO> savvas: hey, do you remember me?! got rid of gutsy hehe i'm back to feisty
[11:09] <savvas> LiMaO: congrats :)
[11:09] <usser> savvas: flash is probably never gonna be ported just because its written in unportable way
[11:09] <LiMaO> savvas: couldn't get java to work at all, openoffice wouldn't work either, freezing all the time
[11:09] <LiMaO> so went back =P
[11:10] <savvas> I just hope iced-tea and gnash get to reach a level where they can actually play files
[11:10] <OpenSorce> usser, I just read that the text mode install is a smaller install than oem.....I'm having some wifi issues and thought this might help....thanks
[11:10] <threethirty> hello all
[11:12] <kfoltman> savvas: maybe microsoft entering the area will force adobe to use the portability to their advantage
[11:12] <savvas> LiMaO: openoffice writer works here
[11:12] <threethirty> ! iced-tea
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iced-tea - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <savvas> threethirty: it's an open java, based on openjdk
[11:12] <threethirty> savvas: what is iced-tea?
[11:12] <LiMaO> savvas: it wouldn't work in here. actually it opens, writes, but when trying to format a page, access the options and preferences, it would freeze...
[11:13] <savvas> (i love fore-answering ;) )
[11:13] <LiMaO> savvas: i read about other people having the same problem (openoffice not being able to do 'anything at all' without freezing).. so i decided to give up
[11:13] <savvas> threethirty: fedora has added it in version 8 test 2 i think
[11:14] <savvas> ubuntu will too when java and openjdk solve their differences :p
[11:14] <savvas> LiMaO: anything?
[11:14] <threethirty> savvas: cool, is there a distro that has gnash working, or is it crap for everyone
[11:14] <LiMaO> savvas: that's what other people are saying in ubuntuforums.. that openoffice isn't able to do anything without freezing
[11:14] <savvas> threethirty: I believe it's the second :P
[11:14] <LiMaO> i myself could open it and write =P
[11:15] <kfoltman> duplicating this sort of functionality is obviously a lot of work
[11:15] <h4wk0> Gusty doesnt seem to have problems with ATI <3
[11:15] <savvas> LiMaO: if you'd see the process monitor, you'd find soffice and oostart apps, you kill them and reopen writer or calc
[11:15] <savvas> writer and calc are the only ones working here so far
[11:16] <savvas> kfoltman: doubt it, unless microsoft buys off adobe :p
[11:16] <LiMaO> oh, i'll wait 10 + 10 more days.. i was tired of killing stuff's processes, specially nautilus'... 10 more days to launch, 10 more to get feedback from people
[11:16] <h4wk0> Been at work 12 hours and i come home to another 39 updates
[11:17] <kfoltman> is there any Thunderbird extension that handles List-Id etc. semi-automatically?
[11:17] <koudelka_> hello, if i download and install the beta now, will i have to reinstall when it's actually released? or will i get the same functionality by just installing the updates for the beta?
[11:18] <savvas> koudelka_: the latter
[11:18] <koudelka_> ok, thx =)
[11:18] <dennda> Hey there
[11:18] <maihem> Hi all
[11:19] <koudelka_> what would be recomended, install 7.04 now and do update when 7.10 is released or install the beta now and install the updates for it?
[11:19] <dennda> Any idea why gutsy won't return from standby anymore? (It did just a couple of days ago. I had it in Suspend for several days and it always worked. Then without any warning it fails.)
[11:19] <dennda> koudelka_: depends on your situation
[11:19] <threethirty> koudelka_, is this your main machine youre talking about
[11:19] <koudelka_> i was thinking that a upgrade from 7.04 could case more problem if you have installed 3rd party stuff
[11:20] <mon^rch> koudelka_: the beta is behaving rock solid for me atm...
[11:20] <koudelka_> that was what i thought as it's just 10 days left :P
[11:20] <mon^rch> :?
[11:20] <maihem> I'm testing 7.10 beta and am having a problem getting evolution 2.12 to pick up my settings from feisty. I upgraded by new installation on a new partition then moving my files from my old partition's home directory. It may be that I ran evolution before moving the old .gnome2 and .evolution directories or before setting the ownership to my new uid.
[11:22] <LiMaO> mon^rch: does openoffice write works for you?
[11:22] <LiMaO> mon^rch: have you never had your taskbar or some other panel just disappear?
[11:23] <LiMaO> mon^rch: neither have you ever had to kill nautilus process, as it was frozen?
[11:23] <LiMaO> writer*
[11:23] <Creationist> Anyone else have a problem with Ktorrent downloads all being "Stalled"?
[11:24] <mon^rch> LiMaO: write works perfectly, panels HAVE disappeared but clicking on my desktop brought it back instantly and I have never had to kill anything... I'm even running 3rd party stuff no probs
[11:24] <LiMaO> i wish my gutsy install would have been that good =)
[11:25] <LiMaO> i could stand anything... but not a non working writer
[11:25] <sinX_> creationist: how long is it stalling?
[11:25] <LiMaO> because my wife uses it.. and if it wasn't working, she would probably toss the computer out of the window
[11:25] <mon^rch> haa
[11:26] <mon^rch> prolly not a bad idea :P
[11:26] <mon^rch> stupid puters
[11:26] <sinX_> if you have allocation enabled it will stall for a few mins
[11:27] <sinX_> the new "fully preallocate" feature takes a min than usual
[11:27] <LiMaO> the bad thing is that you never had an irc channel for people to say 'hey, my typewriter is not working'
[11:27] <Creationist> sinX_: Indefinitely.... that torrent status never changes from "Announcing"
[11:27] <LiMaO> but with all these new technologies we have a lot of new problems hehe
[11:28] <Creationist> sinX_: It worked when I used it yesterday, though... but now even trying to download the same torrent fails.
[11:28] <sinX_> do you have incoming connections?
[11:28] <Creationist> sinX_: Nope.
[11:29] <sinX_> do you have a router?
[11:29] <Creationist> Hmm... must be a connection thing... Konqueror won't load any pages now either.... looks like another restart is in order lol
[11:29] <Creationist> sinX_: No, no router.
[11:29] <nzero> how do i undo faulty updates
[11:29] <sinX_> ya, definitely connection
[11:31] <nzero> hey seveas how do i undo faulty updates
[11:31] <noelferreira> hi. which version of NetworkManager comes with ubuntu 7.10?
[11:31] <Seveas> nzero, with a hammer
[11:31] <Seveas> !info network-manager
[11:32] <nzero> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:32] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu15 (gutsy), package size 265 kB, installed size 664 kB
[11:32] <nzero> seriously
[11:32] <noelferreira> thanks
[11:32] <Seveas> nzero, sometimes sulfuric acid helps
[11:32] <noelferreira> 8 days left isn't it?
[11:32] <Creationist> sinX_: Yet firefox works fine.... so yeah, I never liked Konqueror for a reason ;)
[11:32] <nzero> i got an update from the distro upgrade and now its all screwed
[11:33] <nzero> not all the updates installed
[11:33] <nzero> now gnome daemon won't load
[11:33] <Seveas> nzero, pastebin errors
[11:33] <nzero> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:33] <nzero> ?
[11:33] <nzero> where is that, syslog?
[11:35] <dennda> anyone else experiencing problems with gutsys standby / suspend to ram since two days or so?
[11:35] <nzero> i can't log out or switch users
[11:35] <sinX_> In network tools are you receiving packets in the tens of thousands?
[11:35] <dennda> (or any idea how to fix it?)
[11:44] <xid> which button is the super button?
[11:44] <nzero> where do i find the logs of updates
[11:44] <nzero> windows button
[11:45] <mc44> nzero: /var/log/apt
[11:45] <xid> hmm I follow this guide
[11:45] <xid> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-58113.shtml
[11:45] <xid> but it doesn't work
[11:45] <nzero> xid
[11:45] <nzero> are you running guts
[11:45] <nzero> gutsy
[11:45] <xid> yes
[11:45] <Some_Person> How stable is Gutsy?
[11:46] <nzero> then gutsy is already installed
[11:46] <nzero> i mean compiz fusion
[11:46] <mc44> xid: compiz comes with gutsy, That guide is for older versions
[11:46] <xid> I have the compizconfig settings manager, but none of the stuff works
[11:46] <xid> maybe I screwed it up by following that guide
[11:46] <mc44> I expect so
[11:46] <Some_Person> Please answer me.
[11:46] <nzero> yep
[11:47] <mc44> Some_Person: what answer are you expecting?
[11:47] <mc44> Some_Person: it's reasoably stable but still beta
[11:47] <kling0n> Some_Person: i'd suggest if you feel the need to ask, you'd better wait for the release
[11:48] <Some_Person> What will be new in Gutsy?
[11:48] <bascule> why is the intel 3945 wireless driver restricted? modinfo reports the licence as GPL. Is there firmware?
[11:49] <mc44> !beta | Some_Person
[11:49] <ubotu> Some_Person: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[11:49] <xid> hmmm I guess I'll reinstall gutsy
[11:49] <nzero> i'm about to
[11:49] <nzero> damn update screwed up gnome
[11:49] <mc44> nzero: in what way?
[11:50] <nzero> it updated like 34 things but all i know is some updates couldn
[11:50] <mc44> nzero: tried restarting gnome?
[11:50] <nzero> t couldn't install, now gnome daemon is have major issues and keeps crashing
[11:50] <kling0n> nzero: try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after finishing the update-manager run
[11:50] <thompa> anybody know whydata dvds mount, but others i get the title and could not read from resource
[11:50] <nzero> yep
[11:50] <gnomefreak> nzero: i havent seen a gnome update today at all running update now to check
[11:51] <nzero> should be there
[11:51] <Ximal> hey guys... I'm just curious.. i got ubuntu on my laptop finally ... how do I get the restricted drivers for my ati card etc to work..
[11:51] <nzero> it updated compiz fusion, gedit, a bunch of stuff
[11:51] <nzero> i know it was editing the window decor libs
[11:51] <nzero> Ximal
[11:51] <bascule> must have been a while since you updated
[11:52] <nzero> go to restricted and enable drivers
[11:52] <WorkingOnWise> Ximal: first you need an internet connection..is that working yet?
[11:52] <nzero> then go to synaptic and install XGL
[11:52] <Ximal> im here arent i ?
[11:53] <nzero> lol
[11:53] <nzero> seriously
[11:53] <gesker> I'm having trouble getting sound going on an HP ML350 with a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS card. Anyone familiar with this card?
[11:53] <nzero> yeah ximal enable drivers and install XGL
[11:53] <nzero> it will do the rest
[11:53] <Ximal> im using ethernet port right now..
[11:53] <Ximal> hmm
[11:53] <nzero> hey gnomefreak, did you notice any updates pending for you
[11:54] <gnomefreak> nzero: nope none
[11:54] <nzero> hmmm
[11:54] <Ximal> well i tried enabling the driverz sero ... and it gives me errors
[11:54] <gnomefreak> nzero: use sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and pastebin the results
[11:54] <Ximal> do i need to do the initial package update first ?
[11:54] <mc44> Ximal: what graphics card?
[11:54] <Ximal> u know.. the one 30 minutes into bootup that you get an upgrade msg
[11:54] <Ximal> and i am on a laptop with ati
[11:54] <gesker> No sound guru out there?
[11:54] <nzero> k
[11:54] <mc44> what card?
[11:55] <mc44> Ximal: what error?
[11:55] <nzero> gui update is sort of buggy eh
[11:55] <Ximal> 1 moment
[11:55] <Ximal> i'll try again.. so i can paste it.. brb
[11:55] <nzero> !pastebin
[11:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> nzero: gutsy is kind of buggy
[11:56] <Ximal> bah .... it's not a huge error
[11:56] <nzero> its only got 10 days left
[11:56] <Ximal> pastebin not needed on this
[11:56] <nzero> you think things will work by then
[11:56] <WorkingOnWise> nzero: i spent lotsa time dropping to windows to get the wifi working on past laptops...thats y i asked...
[11:56] <nzero> no i didn't know about pastebin
[11:56] <gnomefreak> update-manager has alot of changes to go through for each release to help users upgrade with unofficial packages, if we didnt do that like we shouldnt have to than u-m would work :)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> 10 days is nothing
[11:57] <gnomefreak> nzero: there are problems that need to be fixed before update-manager
[11:59] <nzero> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40003/
[12:00] <gnomefreak> first off update-notifier isnt stopping gnome from working. 2. that needs to be fixed in the app, this is why update-manager was holding it back
[12:01] <gnomefreak> that is intended
[12:01] <Skinnypuppy1334> Anyone else had their VMware server quit working since the last few days updates?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade will try to  install it upgrade will hol dit back and so will update-manager this is the way it is intended to work
[12:02] <usser> Hey guys does anyone with nvidia card has any problems with latest compiz update??
[12:02] <usser> it keeps segfaulting
[12:02] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:03] <nzero> so what is the solution to this, i lost at what you mean by it needs to be fixed in the app
[12:03] <WorkingOnWise> usser: latest from yesterday, or the one out this afternoon?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> nzero: leave it and wait for it to get fixed
[12:03] <usser> WorkingOnWise: the one from today
[12:03] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: i dont even have an update for that package version
[12:03] <nzero> so wait, i didn't do it
[12:04] <nzero> it was the latest updates fault
[12:04] <nzero> or wait
[12:04] <WorkingOnWise> I am waiting to see the carnage before I update to todays...
[12:04] <gnomefreak> nzero: sudo apt-get install update-notifier=0.59.6
[12:04] <bascule> I'm safe and working well
[12:04] <gnomefreak> nzero: run that command
[12:04] <gesker> I'm having trouble getting sound going on 64bit Gutsy on a HP ML350 with a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS card. Anyone familiar with this card?
[12:05] <nzero> said the version wasn't found
[12:05] <gnomefreak> nzero: apt-cache show update-notifier
[12:05] <Lunenfeld> Hi, whats the best way to install Opera on Gutsy? The deb for feisty provided by the opera homepage doesnt work.
[12:06] <WorkingOnWise> fyi- I figured out my qemu problem....I used kvm and it works perfect...
[12:06] <buntunub> anyone know if todays updates fixed the xserver dual monitor issue?
[12:06] <usser> Lunenfeld: what does it say?
[12:07] <Lunenfeld> usser: that the package is damaged or that i am not allowed to open it
[12:07] <_sidd> Did the most recent updates break update-notifier?
[12:07] <usser> Lunenfeld: did u use sudo to install it
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Lunenfeld: wait for the gutsy partner repo opens
[12:07] <gnomefreak> _sidd: yes
[12:07] <Lunenfeld> Lunenfeld: do you know when that will be?
[12:08] <nzero> gnomefreak: is this a problem of the repos that will remain until they fix it or is this some isolated problem on my box. I'm thinking of just reinstalling, as bad as it sounds
[12:08] <usser> Lunenfeld: after the release
[12:08] <gnomefreak> nzero: the package needs to be fixed, file a bug report on it and give me the link to bug
[12:08] <Lunenfeld> usser: no i used the standard procedure firefox offers for opening deb files with gdebi-installer
[12:08] <_sidd> gnomefreak: Ah... okay... then isn't just me... I guess I'll just wait for a fix.
[12:08] <usser> Lunenfeld: try saving it somewhere
[12:08] <gnomefreak> _sidd: hold that thought
[12:09] <usser> Lunenfeld: after it downloads open terminal
[12:09] <gnomefreak> im trying something
[12:09] <Lunenfeld> usser: seems the first download was corrupted. a second try with gdebi works.
[12:09] <usser> Lunenfeld: or that could be that too
[12:09] <_sidd> gnomefreak: okay...
[12:09] <Lunenfeld> usser: thx! have a nice evening/afternoon.
[12:09] <mc44> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/150680
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150680 in update-notifier "cannot install new version of update-notifier: gconf schema problem" [High,Triaged] 
[12:09] <gnomefreak> mc44: ty
[12:09] <usser> Hey guys does anyone with nvidia card has any problems with latest compiz update??
[12:10] <nzero> gnomefreak: is the package the update-notifier
[12:10] <bascule> what does triaged mean?
[12:10] <nzero> ?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> nzero: look at the bug report if you feel like you can do it try the work around for now
[12:11] <gnomefreak> bascule: triaged means someone triaged it but it really shouldnt be set to that afaik
[12:11] <nzero> k
[12:11] <nzero> where is the bug report
[12:11] <bascule> gnomefreak: lol, that still doesn't explain what triaged *means* :))
[12:11] <mc44> nzero: see the link above
[12:11] <bascule> !triaged
[12:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about triaged - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bascule: looked at found out all the info needed to fix
[12:12] <bascule> k, thanks
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bascule: you might want to look into the topic of #ubuntu-bugs for more info
[12:13] <_sidd> mc44: awesome! Thanks.
[12:13] <mzuverink> triage basically means a temp patched up, like when you got to the hospital and the intake nurse puts a bandaid on you boo-boo
[12:13] <mc44> A fix for that bug has been uploaded, apparently
[12:13] <ppj> hey guy's I've got this really annoying desktop/compiz/gl desktop mode going on that moves the desktop to another panel as soon as i touch the right side of the screen,  i can't figure out what option stops that its the most annoying thing ever
[12:13] <gnomefreak> mc44: for what bug?
[12:13] <WorkingOnWise> what do I have to do to get a linux firewall to police traffic to my windows xp virtual machine?
[12:13] <mc44> gnomefreak: the update-notifier
[12:13] <gnomefreak> mc44: where do you see this?
[12:14] <mc44> gnomefreak: in -devel and the fact the version nuymber on launchpad is 0,61 ;)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> it will save me the work :)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:14] <mzuverink> mc44, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150680
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150680 in update-notifier "cannot install new version of update-notifier: gconf schema problem" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:14] <nzero> i just updated package list , not update there
[12:14] <nzero> no update there*
[12:14] <mc44> mzuverink: yes, I pasted that a few minutes ago :)
[12:14] <mc44> nzero: yes, it will be around soon, patience :)
[12:15] <mzuverink> sorry that was ment for gnomefreak
[12:15] <gnomefreak> mc44: you must have more scrolling than me
[12:15] <nzero> so my gnome daemon and compiz fusion will work again
[12:15] <mc44> gnomefreak: /lastlog ftw
[12:15] <gnomefreak> nzero: neither are effected by update-notifier
[12:16] <mc44> gnomefreak: might be affecting gconf... but probably not
[12:16] <nzero> gconf was affected
[12:16] <nzero> bunches of stuff for some reason couldn't install
[12:16] <nzero> it tried but just messed stuff up
[12:17] <gnomefreak> nzero: it might but without knowing the exact issue its hard to tell. just wait for fix. unless you fix it yourself
[12:18] <cpoucet> cupsys, update-notifier...
[12:18] <cpoucet> where do I a see a log of the errors?
[12:18] <nzero> sucks, i just got everything working and then an update screwed it all up
[12:18] <nzero> !madness
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about madness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <WorkingOnWise> nzero: we love betas!
[12:19] <nzero> !Life
[12:19] <ubotu> life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:19] <mc44> cpoucet: /var/log/apt
[12:19] <bicchi> sorry i just got into the channel but is everyone having problems with update-notifier not upgrading properly
[12:19] <mc44> nzero: don't play with the bot please
[12:19] <gnomefreak> nzero: if you are mad about that i would tell you to stick with stable releases
[12:19] <mc44> bicchi: yes, fix should be out soon
[12:19] <nzero> nah, i like being cutting edge
[12:19] <cpoucet> mc44: nothing there
[12:19] <bicchi> mc44: maybe someone needs to channel the channel topic to reflect this.
[12:19] <mc44> cpoucet: its a folder...
[12:20] <cpoucet> mc44: I know, it's empty
[12:20] <mc44> bicchi: no one reads the topic ;)
[12:20] <cpoucet> the issues happened during the update
[12:20] <bicchi> mc44: well i did and that is why i ended up asking.
[12:20] <WorkingOnWise> mc44: I did once....
[12:20] <cpoucet> "induced by update-manager"
[12:20] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 is the fixed .debs
[12:21] <mc44> cpoucet: try "sudo less /var/log/apt/term.log
[12:21] <gnomefreak> for i386 atleast
[12:21] <buntunub> kk does update manager still pull in updates or will we need to manually do updates via cli
[12:21] <mzuverink> whats so hard about fixing that update-notifier problem by hand, it take only one keystroke after opening it as root?
[12:22] <kling0n> bicchi: check to see if you have backports enabled in your rsources.list
[12:22] <cpoucet> mc44: the driectory is empty
[12:22] <mzuverink> there's enough info on the bug reports a retard could do it
[12:22] <kling0n> rsources.list = /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:22] <ptfd9100> anyone having trouble with compiz ll the sudeden?
[12:22] <kling0n> bicchi: if so, comment them out and re-run update-manager
[12:22] <nzero> mzuverink, where is the bug report
[12:22] <bicchi> kling0n: i do have it. let me try your fix.
[12:23] <mzuverink> nzero,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150680
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150680 in update-notifier "cannot install new version of update-notifier: gconf schema problem" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:23] <nzero> thanks
[12:23] <cpoucet> mc44: you mean /var/log/dist-upgrade/term.log?
[12:23] <mzuverink> for about the 80th time today
[12:23] <mc44> cpoucet: if you were upgrading
[12:23] <cpoucet> @paste
[12:23] <gnomefreak> use the link i gave you to install latest version
[12:24] <cpoucet> http://rafb.net/p/Nu52JT43.html
[12:24] <mzuverink> nzero, look at my but report, the one about syntax being wrong, they forgot a <
[12:24] <bascule> make an entry in the bot
[12:24] <gnomefreak> nzero: there are debs for hte fixed version
[12:24] <mc44> cpoucet: install from here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 and try again
[12:24] <mzuverink> gnomefreak, true, but nzero does not seem to accept that fact
[12:25] <gnomefreak> mc44: he needs-common first
[12:25] <cpoucet> mc44: how
[12:25] <bicchi> kling0n: removing the backports repo did not fixed the problem.
[12:25] <gnomefreak> mzuverink: thats his own fault he should learn dpkg/apt and understand there are bugs before he uses devel version
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bicchi: backports in gutsy are not htere
[12:26] <gnomefreak> no such thing
[12:26] <mzuverink> gnomefreak, true
[12:26] <mc44> bicchi: you're trying to fix the update-notifier problem?
[12:26] <bicchi> gnomefreak: i know that isn't the cause of the problem.
[12:26] <bicchi> mc4: yes
[12:26] <gnomefreak> bicchi: what is your problem
[12:26] <gnomefreak> does noone listen
[12:26] <cpoucet> mc44: how do I do that?
[12:26] <mc44> bicchi: then either wait for the new deb, install it from that link or fix it yourself from the bug report
[12:26] <gnomefreak> 18:20 <      gnomefreak > https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 is the fixed .debs
[12:26] <mc44> cpoucet: just wait for the fixed version of update-notifier
[12:27] <bicchi> mc44: i know but someone had told me that commenting the backports repo would fixed that.
[12:27] <cpoucet> mc44: basically just upgrade in a few days?
[12:27] <mc44> cpoucet: a few hours
[12:27] <gnomefreak> left hand side of that page will provide you with both .debs you need
[12:27] <macogw> wait wait why doesnt ubotu talk abut John Conway's "Life" when you !life ?
[12:27] <cpoucet> mc44: there were also issues with cupsys
[12:27] <cpoucet> regarding update-notifier, going back in history, it seems to be a parsing issue
[12:27] <gnomefreak> macogw: umm could it be because this is a support channel?
[12:28] <cpoucet> /usr/share/gconf/schemas/update-notifier.schemas:12: parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: default line 7 and schema
[12:28] <gnomefreak> 18:20 <      gnomefreak > https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.61/+build/404591 is the fixed .debs
[12:28] <cpoucet> a couple of those
[12:28] <gnomefreak> cpoucet: its  atypo missing >
[12:28] <macogw> gnomefreak: ubotu doesn't change between this channel and the other ubuntu channels
[12:28] <gnomefreak> macogw: yes he does
[12:28] <buntunub> missing < actually
[12:28] <macogw> he *does*???
[12:28] <gnomefreak> macogw: yes we can set it up all kinds of ways
[12:28] <macogw> so you have to learn new ubotu commands for each channel?
[12:28] <macogw> dang
[12:28] <cpoucet> should I restart?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> no
[12:28] <cpoucet> now that I've upgraded?
[12:29] <buntunub> should be false </false>
[12:29] <gnomefreak> macogw: join #ubuntu-bots and find out from there
[12:29] <ximal_> hello
[12:29] <nzero> i fixed my first bug
[12:29] <nzero> yeah hoes
[12:29] <ximal_> I need a little help... I can't get the wine to install
[12:29] <buntunub> btw compiz seems to be running much better now on my poor laptop integrated nvidia chip
[12:29] <ptfd9100> need help with gtk-qt-engind (i think)
[12:30] <ximal_> i tried going to add remove... but i can't get it to allow me to check it ?
[12:30] <ximal_> any ideas.... ps : nzero : I made the wireless card start working ;)
[12:30] <nzero> nice
[12:30] <ximal_> yeah.. hehe
[12:31] <ximal_> i never have to look at windows again..
[12:31] <bascule> ximal_: nice feeling :)
[12:31] <ptfd9100> buntunub: is compiz working right now on your laptop w/nvidia?
[12:31] <ximal_> yes...
[12:31] <buntunub> yes it is
[12:31] <ximal_> now to conquer divorce.. lol
[12:31] <wabiD> is compiz really buggy today?
[12:31] <buntunub> thats after todays update
[12:31] <ximal_> nah... anyhow..
[12:31] <ximal_> I do need help
[12:32] <buntunub> havent checked dual monitors yet
[12:32] <ximal_> i can't get wine to run on the laptop... add/remove won't let me check it... could it be because of the distrobution upgrade ???
[12:32] <ximal_> so i need to cancel the upgrade ?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> mc44: now point people to the topic
[12:32] <ptfd9100> compiz is crashing on mine with errors about ~/.kde/share/apps/gtk-qt-engine stuff
[12:32] <mc44> gnomefreak: that won't help :)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> mc44: sure it will
[12:32] <gnomefreak> watch on next person
[12:32] <nzero> damn, now i have to reinstall gutsy
[12:32] <bicchi> gnomefreak: you should post a link to manually fix it.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> nzero: good do that
[12:33] <buntunub> try reinstalling compiz
[12:33] <mc44> gnomefreak: ah you added it at the start, I thought it got cut off at the end :)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> bicchi: why when in les than 10 hours the updated one will be in repos
[12:33] <nzero> there were like 10 things that didn't install properly
[12:33] <ximal_> hello ?
[12:33] <ptfd9100> tried, just puttzes out, then no window decorations... reminds me of the old beryl problem.
[12:33] <ximal_> do i need to cancel the distro upgrade ?
[12:33] <wabiD> is there a way to tell compiz to reload itself and not fall back to metacity
[12:33] <ximal_> i keep seeing this crud you guys talking about with errors here and there ?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> its already been uploaded its done with buildd already and waiting a nudge when one of the devels should be less than 2 hours
[12:34] <nzero> its cause its beta
[12:34] <nzero> no i fixed notifier
[12:34] <wabiD> recordmydesktop and screenlets are causing my compiz to crash
[12:34] <wabiD> so is shift+F10 sometimes
[12:34] <ptfd9100> hmmm... openoffice gives me trouble,..
[12:35] <nzero> just can't figure out why compiz and gnome daemon are crashing
[12:35] <h1st0> Anyone know how to fix tab completion so that you can sudo apt-g<tab>  and have it autocomplete?
[12:35] <mc44> h1st0: that works for me
[12:35] <bascule> me too
[12:35] <ptfd9100> me three
[12:35] <mzuverink> nzero, stable release, best fix of all
[12:35] <wabiD> is there an easy way to roll back to yesterdays compiz?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> nzero: thats not a gutsy bug it sounds more like a local bug on your end since noone else seems to see it
[12:35] <h1st0> mc44: Worked for me too about a few minutes ago.  But this has just started.
[12:36] <h1st0> There was a way to fix it I believe a file in my ~ that needed to be touched or something.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> bashrc?
[12:36] <mzuverink> compiz has been fine for me all day w/ all the bells and whistles
[12:36] <ximal_> helo ? ughh... anyone mind telling me or helping me install wine ? pleeeeease ?
[12:36] <ptfd9100> hmm.. I need last hours compiz..
[12:36] <mc44> ximal_: sudo apt-get install wine?
[12:36] <h1st0> Its only a problem with sudo then a <tab> ex: I can do apt-g<tab> with out sudo and have it auto complete
[12:36] <ximal_> i tried doing sudo apt get .. but nothing
[12:37] <bascule> hey on the subject of completion did you guys know you can spell check dirs and such?
[12:37] <ximal_> thanks mc.. i couldn't remember the right syntax
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ximal_: your kidding right?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> please tell me your kidding
[12:37] <h1st0> gnomefreak: I dont' have a .bashrc in my home could that be the problem?
[12:37] <ximal_> no i'm dead serious.. this is the first time i've used linux in 7 years
[12:37] <gnomefreak> h1st0: yes you do
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: No i don't
[12:38] <gnomefreak> h1st0: ~/.bashrc
[12:38] <gnomefreak> h1st0: yes you do
[12:38] <ximal_> i'm used to different commands and the fact that this is visua.. not rgb styled linux
[12:38] <h1st0> Its not there
[12:38] <gnomefreak> h1st0: unless you removed it you do
[12:38] <ximal_> i'm used to distro's like amoeba and slinux
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: ls -la .b*
[12:38] <h1st0> -rw------- 1 histo histo 593 2007-10-08 04:30 .bash_history
[12:38] <macogw> ximal_: visua?
[12:38] <ximal_> nothing this advanced..
[12:38] <bascule> shopt -s cdspell
[12:38] <ximal_> non visual..
[12:38] <gnomefreak> and if you removed it you need to stop removing things
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: not there
[12:38] <ximal_> dos like screens..
[12:38] <h1st0> gnomefreak: what is the file suppoosed to contain?
[12:38] <macogw> ximal_: oh and what would rgb mean?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ximal_: i suggest learning apt and dpkg before using devel versions
[12:39] <ximal_> red green blue
[12:39] <macogw> ximal_: so this is visual, not colors?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> h1st0: it hold all config stuff for bash (alias', commands other goodies)
[12:39] <cpoucet> DOH
[12:39] <cpoucet> when I reboot in 7.10
[12:39] <cpoucet> and choose 22.13 as kernel
[12:39] <bascule> shopt -c nocaseglob <-- case insensitive completions
[12:39] <KevlarSoul> Will Ubuntu 64bit support Intel dual core processors??
[12:39] <h1st0> gnomefreak: yeah I just want to get the default ubuntu .bashrc
[12:39] <gnomefreak> cpoucet: one line please
[12:39] <ximal_> gnomefreak : i'm very adaptable .. i learn quickly and pick up 80% of what I see , hear , and do .. in memory..
[12:39] <macogw> h1st0: did you only do "ls" instead of "ls -A" (or -a)
[12:39] <cpoucet> I get a zillion dm-linear messages and then pressed something and I finally got gui login but it did not load my /home partition
[12:39] <bascule> shopt -s nocaseglob I meant
[12:39] <KevlarSoul> E6850
[12:39] <h1st0> macogw: its not there trust me.
[12:40] <macogw> weeeird...did you delete it?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i bet he has a ~/.bashrc~ now :)
[12:40] <KevlarSoul> How about 8800 GTX nvidia?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> seeing as its a hidden file he would have tried to delete it to delete it
[12:40] <h1st0> macogw: gnomefreak I found one in /etc/skel
[12:41] <mc44> KevlarSoul: yes in gutsy. Stop asking in two channels at once
[12:41] <cpoucet> What is 'dm-linear'?
[12:41] <h1st0> macogw: I must have deleted it before i installed gutsy I was cleaning out my home partition
[12:41] <gnomefreak> h1st0: not same
[12:41] <ximal_> bah .. i'm used to terminals and gmacs etc etc... sorry for seeming so newbish but i used to use redhat and old mandrake as well as amoeba distro's .. like command prompt linux... the only thing visual was programs..n not the actual gui like interface that we use now..
[12:41] <h1st0> gnomefreak: /etc/skel/ should be the one used for new users no?
[12:41] <macogw> h1st0: odd thing to "clean" out O_o
[12:41] <gnomefreak> h1st0: install of gutsy gives it to you
[12:41] <cpoucet> And cupsys won't install
[12:41] <h1st0> gnomefreak: I have a seperate /home it didnt' add it.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> h1st0: no not really you config bash using ~/.bashrc
[12:42] <bascule> h1st0: yeah it's short for skeleton
[12:42] <macogw> ximal_: you *can* use ubuntu all command line...
[12:42] <ximal_> aye ..
[12:42] <macogw> ximal_: was this in the days before yum and up2date?
[12:42] <ximal_> u can choose not to startx
[12:42] <h1st0> gnomefreak: I understand that but i'm saying the one in /etc/skel is used for any new users
[12:42] <gnomefreak> h1st0: yes it is
[12:42] <gilster> i am trying to install live cd. Double clicking the install icon does nothing/ any help?
[12:42] <Netham45> how stable is gutsy?
[12:42] <bascule> relative term!
[12:42] <ximal_> no macogw : this was in the days when redhat and mandrake ( before it became penguin recently ) was due to hardware problems.. lol
[12:42] <mc44> Netham45: it's beta
[12:43] <macogw> Netham45: non-crashy, sometimes broken repos, X works.....network manager's slightly messed up...no framebuffer...
[12:43] <ximal_> it was in ... 95 to 98
[12:43] <rustlerharv> Netham45: it killed my system twice and it still isnt working
[12:43] <dug_> Netham45: it works fine, but you will get a bunch of updates every day until the final release (in a week or two - 19th)
[12:43] <gnomefreak> Netham45: how well are you with waiting for fixes?
[12:43] <Netham45> well
[12:43] <dug_> or 18th whatever
[12:43] <rustlerharv> 18th
[12:43] <macogw> ximal_: oh my that is a while ago.  mandriva changed names again?  well, you should man dpkg and man apt-get
[12:43] <Netham45> I have 2 spare PCs just sitting here
[12:43] <gilster> help installing plase?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> it works fine if you know what you are doing
[12:43] <rustlerharv> i just looked 10 min ago
[12:43] <cpoucet> Any ideas why 22-13 will not load my home directory (and gigve me a ton of dm-linear errors), and why cupsys won't install?
[12:43] <ximal_> ahh mandrake to mandriva
[12:43] <macogw> gilster: "sudo ubiquity"
[12:44] <Netham45> yea, the 18th
[12:44] <gilster> macogw
[12:44] <gnomefreak> macogw: gksudo
[12:44] <Netham45> my birthday. ^.^
[12:44] <gilster> macogw:thanks, so i need to install from cli
[12:44] <gilster> ?
[12:44] <macogw> gilster: ok fine gnomefreak says gksudo so use that
[12:44] <h1st0> brb gonna try logging out and back in
[12:44] <gnomefreak> but my guess is he would have seen the icon
[12:44] <macogw> gilster: no thatll start the gui program
[12:44] <macogw> gnomefreak: he said the icon didnt work
[12:44] <gnomefreak> oh he did?
[12:44] <macogw> gnomefreak: yeah
[12:44] <gilster> ok so this is a known issue?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:45] <gnomefreak> gilster: no
[12:45] <macogw> gilster: nope
[12:45] <gnomefreak> not until you
[12:45] <gilster> ok well maybe my disk is bad.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> gilster: how much memory? did you try rebooting the live cd
[12:45] <ximal_> macogw : sorry for the /msg or private msg... didn't mean to intrude
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i had an issue with it not working but due to lag of running livecd
[12:45] <macogw> ximal_: i didnt get one
[12:46] <gilster> do i have to use 64bit for a 64athalon or can i run the 32 bit
[12:46] <macogw> 32bit will be fine
[12:46] <mc44> you can use the 32 bit
[12:46] <Netham45> you can use the 32bit
[12:46] <ximal_> hmm
[12:46] <ximal_> basically.. lemme report here
[12:46] <macogw> the only limitation on 32bit is that you can't access >4GB of RAM
[12:46] <gilster> thats fine only got 1.5
[12:46] <wabiD> what does see re, mean in topic
[12:46] <Netham45> how much ram can 64bit allocate?
[12:46] <frostburn> gilster, 64bit will be fine for any application you'll run
[12:46] <macogw> Netham45: shitloads
[12:46] <ximal_>  yes... i used linux back when 98 gold edition was out on windows..
[12:46] <ximal_>  that's how long it's been
[12:46] <ximal_>  and yet i managed to successfully navigate through gutsy's erroneous setup... and get it working along with my wireless adapter on my laptop.. just some things block me.. i mean completely stop me.. in which i come to help channels for the help i need..
[12:46] <frostburn> Netham45, 36bits of addressing
[12:47] <bascule> cpoucet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[12:47] <gilster> i have the disk here, and as soon as it starts the live cd it boots up and the screensaver app crashe according to gnome
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,Fix released] 
[12:47] <gilster> it then does nothing when i click the install icon
[12:47] <ximal_> heh .. i'm in an amd64 bit
[12:47] <macogw> gilster: might be a bad disk or dirty cd drive lens
[12:48] <gilster> that could be...
[12:48] <Netham45> lets see, I have this PC with 32-bit kubuntu installed, that other PC with 32-bit Ubuntu server(both 7.04) and this other pc with Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper 64bit ubuntu installed
[12:48] <Netham45> I only use this pc with the 32-bit kubuntu
[12:48] <gilster> i am gonna redownload the i386 see how it goes
[12:48] <gilster> thanks
[12:48] <cyberfin> evening
[12:48] <cpoucet> bascule: thanks, I'll try removing evms to see what happens
[12:48] <cyberfin> Just a quick question (and a bit obvious maybe) Is it normal that there are so many updates for Gutsy, like everyday? Is it because it's in Beta?
[12:49] <bascule> yes
[12:49] <SlimeyPete> yes, it's normal
[12:49] <gnomefreak> cyberfin: yes
[12:49] <cyberfin> thought so... :)
[12:49] <ximal_> wow .. someone mind telling me just how big wine is ?
[12:49] <cyberfin> I just logged on and had 55 updates so I was impressed and worried at the same time :S
[12:50] <frostburn> ximal_, 20meg or so
[12:50] <gnomefreak> cyberfin: if worried you should really stick with stable
[12:50] <ximal_> hmm.. i log into updates every day.. cyberfin : it's going to happen with any beta.. from what i understand
[12:50] <nikin> i have trubles using gimp
[12:50] <bascule> its th UI, we all do :)
[12:51] <wabiD> i dunno if id update today either
[12:51] <cyberfin> don't get me wrong, I've been having hardware issues lately
[12:51] <nikin> when i try to start it i get gimp: symbol lookup error: gimp: undefined symbol: gimp_micro_version
[12:51] <ximal_> 32.9 megs for wine : frostburn : is what it's showing me in terminal
[12:51] <h1st0> yeah it was the absense of .bashrc
[12:51] <macogw> cyberfin: one day last week there were like 200 updates in the morning and another 120 in the evening
[12:51] <cyberfin> lol
[12:51] <macogw> bascule: speak for thyself
[12:51] <cyberfin> ok just got this from the update: E: update-notifier: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:51] <macogw> nikin: change the theme
[12:52] <nikin> the gtk theme?
[12:52] <macogw> nikin: do you have the gimp small theme set?
[12:52] <bascule> macogw: heh, it was a cliche that I don't really believe
[12:52] <nikin> yes.. i used that
[12:52] <macogw> nikin: dont
[12:52] <macogw> it used to make gimp crash....have they fixed it just enough to only give errors?
[12:52] <cyberfin> I have a few repos that aren't working well could it be those?
[12:52] <nikin> how can i change that without starting gimp
[12:52] <macogw> *shrug*
[12:52] <macogw> google?
[12:52] <mc44> cyberfin: read the topic :)
[12:53] <cyberfin> ah ok
[12:53] <cyberfin> thnx nway
[12:53] <crimsun> mzuverink: no, I've been away most of the afternoon/evening localtime, sorry.
[12:54] <mzuverink> crimsun, well if you get the time...it be cool...
[12:55] <crimsun> mzuverink: I don't think I will.  There are a few critical audio bugs that I'm chasing.
[12:55] <mzuverink> crimsun, thats cool too, I am sure by release it will get fixed and it is only cosmetic
[12:56] <crimsun> mzuverink: please file a bug using Launchpad if you haven't already :)
[12:57] <mzuverink> crimsun, its on my list of stuff to do tonight, I just got home from a 12 hour shift of help deskfor the ISP I work for, seems every moron in town forgot how to build a dialer in windows(c)
[12:57] <nikin> how can i change the theme in gimp, if i cant start it.. i tryed to purge gimp , but that didnt help
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ok everyone before asking your question read the topic if you look at your server window in IRC upon joining this channel it tells you that. by doing that it reduces the number of people with the same problem asking the same thing over and over again
[12:58] <frostburn> nikin, theme? isn't it just gtk
[12:59] <nikin> frostburn: i get an error when i try to start it.... gimp: symbol lookup error: gimp: undefined symbol: gimp_micro_version
[12:59] <macogw> frostburn: gimp has themes.  the "small" theme makes gimp crash (i spotted that while reading random bug reports last week)
[12:59] <frostburn> weird
[01:00] <macogw> nikin: deleting ~/.gimp would likely do it
[01:00] <macogw> nikin: ~/.gimp-2.4 i'm guessing
[01:00] <kevinO> hello, i just tried to start my computer with the current kernel and it would not boot, recovery kernel will bot boot either, i had to boot with the 2.6.22-12-generic kernel. I have not dont anything but start the pc from earlier
[01:00] <ximal_> quick question .. what's the wine cfg command ?
[01:00] <nikin> macogw: did that.. didnt help
[01:00] <macogw> oh...dunno
[01:00] <kevinO> will not*
[01:00] <macogw> ximal_ winecfg i think
[01:01] <ximal_> ahh thanks
[01:01] <ximal_> i was putting a space between the two
[01:01] <macogw> gtg
[01:01] <macogw> time for my open source class :)
[01:01] <macogw> ill be back when im done walking over there :P
[01:02] <ximal_> ahh
[01:02] <ximal_> config complete ;) woot
[01:02] <nikin> ximal_: winecfg ?
[01:02] <ximal_> now to install guild wars on the laptop
[01:02] <kevinO> does anyone have any ideas whats wrong?
[01:02] <nikin> ximal_: installing GE is a hrad run..
[01:02] <frostburn> guildwars runs well, but there's no content
[01:02] <ximal_> ge ?
[01:03] <nikin> ximal_: look at winehq.org
[01:03] <ximal_> hrad ?
[01:03] <ximal_> use full names... like i said... it's been a while m8's
[01:03] <nikin> hard
[01:03] <ximal_> ok... but what's GE ?
[01:03] <ximal_> u mean gw ?
[01:03] <nikin> yep
[01:03] <ximal_> i installed it and confged it on my own last night on my desktop
[01:03] <ximal_> that's the easy part
[01:03] <Aasnes> kevin0: I had the same problem 2-3 day ago. I started in ...22-12 and did a full apt-get update/upgrade... fixed my problem.
[01:03] <ximal_> :)
[01:04] <ximal_> i even fixed the mouse bug
[01:04] <ximal_> lol
[01:04] <ximal_> u need the fix ?
[01:04] <nikin> ximal_: you are lucky :D when i tryed i had to work for 3 days
[01:04] <majnoon> how switch X back to f7 instead of f9 ??
[01:04] <ximal_> nikin : install wine .. confg it for windows xp
[01:04] <ximal_> then download the installer.. don't use a cd..
[01:04] <PriceChild> majnoon, how did you change it in the first place?
[01:04] <ximal_> when you install it ..
[01:05] <majnoon> no know
[01:05] <ximal_> you will be ok.. DO NOT EXIT OUT OF THE FULL SCREEN whenever it first boots ok nikin ?
[01:05] <ximal_> otherwise you'll be fighting the resizer..
[01:05] <majnoon> i did upgrade and pooft
[01:05] <ximal_> then... to make the thing work right ... for the mouse.. just zoom into first person and right click to mouse around
[01:05] <ximal_> it will make the mouse appear..
[01:05] <PriceChild> majnoon, I can't help sorry.
[01:05] <ximal_> then you can zoom out to use the mouse ;)
[01:05] <ximal_> problem fixed..
[01:06] <majnoon> works perfect except that
[01:06] <ximal_> if you use windowed mode.. dont' shrink the window either..
[01:06] <ximal_> just put it in applet 2..
[01:06] <ximal_> or Desk 2
[01:08] <DM|> How is the new gutsy update (10/8/07) any known problems?
[01:08] <PriceChild> DM|, ok....
[01:08] <DM|> I dont want to update and fool around with it right now :) so im curious
[01:08] <PriceChild> DM|, the world is a big place...
[01:08] <DM|> PriceChild zomg really?
[01:09] <PriceChild> DM|, 1. that could be 48 hours or so
[01:09] <kevinO> Aasnes: thanks ill try that
[01:09] <DM|> PriceChild lol
[01:09] <Aasnes> kevino|
[01:09] <Aasnes> Hope it works for you...
[01:09] <PriceChild> DM|, 2. Updates don't really happen as a day... they are *seperate packages*
[01:09] <kevinO> thanks
[01:09] <ximal_> hmm .. I can't find bittorrent even though it shows as checked under add/remove
[01:09] <ximal_> any ideas ?
[01:09] <DM|> I know but the most recent batch , thats why i put the date
[01:09] <PriceChild> DM|, I'd suggest that you remind yourself Gutsy is NOT recommended for anyone who doesn't know exactly what they're doing.
[01:10] <PriceChild> DM|, If you use it, you should *expect breakage*
[01:10] <mc44> DM|: there aren't "batches" it depends when you last updated, and read the topic
[01:10] <PriceChild> *groans* didn't i just say that mc44? :)
[01:10] <DM|> FFS people i aksed a question, I was just curious, calm down
[01:11] <DM|> OMG ITS A BETA RELEASE.... yes i know this, thats why ive been using it
[01:11] <mc44> PriceChild: repetition never hurts :)
[01:11] <PriceChild> DM|, calling it a "question" is generous... it wasn't that specific.
[01:11] <DM|> How is the new gutsy update (10/8/07) any known problems?
[01:11] <DM|> thats what i said
[01:11] <PriceChild> mc44, no I wasn't complaining about you, rather the reason you must talk.
[01:11] <PriceChild> mc44, s/must talk/had to repeat that/
[01:11] <mc44> DM|: yes, as a question it is unanswerable
[01:12] <kevinO> lol
[01:12] <kevinO> its a basic question, he just wanted an opinion
[01:12] <PriceChild> kevinO, and I've explained why its a foolish question.
[01:12] <macogw> anyone notice that the topic is cut off?
[01:12] <kevinO> does that matter?
[01:12] <PriceChild> macogw, yup.
[01:12] <buntunub> yes the last update broke some xserver settings, no it didnt break anything
[01:12] <DM|> mc44 seeing that most of us are beta users, assume for a moment we all dont live in a box, and update every day, you must think outside of the box mc44.
[01:12] <mc44> macogw: cos that stuff was added to the start
[01:13] <buntunub> ok?
[01:13] <PriceChild> macogw, will sort that out soon... needs shortenning :P
[01:13] <Aasnes> DM| it fixed my sound card (onboard Acer TM 8215). And my wireless is alot more stable..
[01:13] <mc44> DM|: if you don't update everyday it makes the question even less helpful...
[01:13] <DM|> mc44 so when one says,, Hey any known probs with the new updates, think about it
[01:13] <DM|> mc44 u are just arguing for the sake of it
[01:13] <buntunub> yes my dual screens are still broke
[01:13] <DM|> aasnes what wifi card?
[01:13] <DM|> buntunub nvidia?
[01:14] <buntunub> but no everything works
[01:14] <buntunub> yes nvidia
[01:14] <PriceChild> !info network-manager
[01:14] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu15 (gutsy), package size 265 kB, installed size 664 kB
[01:14] <buntunub> indeed wifi via Ndiswrapper is working nicely
[01:14] <kevinO> yeah i got updates this morning, and after i boot my pc this evening, it doesnt wotk, so I could have used that question before i fetched the updates this morning, and my computer would still boot
[01:15] <PriceChild> !info update-notifier
[01:15] <ubotu> update-notifier: Daemon which notifies about package updates. In component main, is optional. Version 0.59.6 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 252 kB
[01:15] <mc44> kevinO: see how different people answer that question of whether the updates worked differently? :)
[01:15] <mc44> kevinO: what error do you get on boot?
[01:16] <kevinO> it just doesnt boot, the recovery kernel will not boot either
[01:16] <kevinO> i booted the older kernel
[01:16] <Aasnes> DM| Intel pro 3945ABG.. (don't actually know the "selling name"
[01:16] <DM|> buntunub I cant find it but there was a howto on getting twinview to work with the new updates, i dont use 2 monitors so i didnt read it
[01:16] <mc44> kevinO: where does it fail, how does it fail...
[01:16] <cpoucet> seems there's an issue with cupsys namely it can not remove something and that stops the building :|
[01:16] <buntunub> probably by handwriting xorg
[01:16] <DM|> aasnes ah, i got that one too, All i had to do was install restricted when .13 was updated
[01:16] <kevinO> well the progress bar just stops about 1/6th the way into it.
[01:17] <gnomefreak> all known issues for most users are in the topic, when you join the channel it tells you to read the topic. please read topic before asking your questions
[01:17] <buntunub> kevin0 try to disable the boot screen and watch the verbose mode
[01:17] <kevinO> mc44 and when i booted the recovery kernel it was hung up at something about 1pv6 routers or something
[01:18] <kevinO> buntunub ok what commands do i need to pass to grub for that?
[01:18] <Aasnes> DM| That's probably the same as I installed.. But took 3-4 days of updates at once today...
[01:18] <buntunub> why not to run Gutsy?
[01:18] <buntunub> its runnin ok for Beta
[01:18] <DM|> Aasnes ay.
[01:18] <mc44> PriceChild: haha
[01:18] <PriceChild> buntunub, Because it is not finished software and as such has bugs.
[01:18] <buntunub> well of course..its beta