[09:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:51] <lool> seb128: I think I'll unmilestone bug #141160: it's quite cosmetic and someone commented that this is being worked on upstream
[09:54] <seb128> bug #141160
[09:54] <seb128> hum, no bot on this chan?
[09:54] <StevenK> Only ubuntulog
[09:55] <seb128> lool: that's rather one for #ubuntu-desktop, and ok, I milestoned because that looked like an easy way to win some ram usage on the CD
[09:56] <lool> seb128: Uh yeah, I wanted to comment on ubuntu-desktop, let me grab my coffee
[12:04] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True
[12:04] <ubotu> OK
[12:04] <Seveas> mdz, tfheen, davidm: poke
 bug #141160
[12:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141160 in vino "When remote desktop access is disabled, vino-session will still run" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141160
[12:05] <mdz> Seveas: thanks
[12:05] <seb128> mdz, Seveas: thanks
[12:07] <Seveas> de nada
[12:30] <Mithrandir> Seveas: thanks.
[05:21] <chrissturm> hey, will there be more ubuntu-mobile compatible hardware when gutsy is released?
[05:33] <agoliveira> chrissturm: Hello. Well, it deppends. The main focus is on LPIA platforms but it should be not a big problem to put it on other x86 compatible hardware with the appropriate kernel.
[07:39] <bspencer> hi agoliveira  :)
[07:40] <agoliveira> bspencer: Just to contradict me :)
[08:06] <agoliveira> Looks like the manual configuration of the network is not working anymore on the latest UME image. Does anyone knows about it?
[08:07] <agoliveira> If you click on the applet all I see is the label "Manual Configuration" and when clicked, nothing happens.
[08:09] <agoliveira> Hmmm... looks like the network manager itself is not installed. Isn't this supposed to be that way, is it?
[08:39] <bspencer> agoliveira, while you're here... let's chat about calc
[08:40] <agoliveira> bspencer: Sure
[08:41] <bspencer> you did some magic to galculator
[08:41] <bspencer> if we want to update that, do we send you patches?
[08:41] <bspencer> or make changes directly to the launchpad repo?
[08:42] <bspencer> I'm guessing that you aren't intimately tied to the app
[08:42] <bspencer> one thing we started looking at was trying to make all the menus of the small applications somewhat consistent
[08:42] <bspencer> e.g.  File, Edit, View...  About, Quit
[08:42] <bspencer> no help support
[08:43] <bspencer> calc, notes, email, chat, media  are the ones we looked at
[08:44] <bspencer> and we also are going through the above to ensure that only 1 copy gets started.  osso-initialize, bring window to top, etc.
[08:44] <agoliveira> bspencer: The application is already on the repo so you should go via the sponsorship process
[08:44] <bspencer> sounds like a good long-term plan
[08:44] <bspencer> but this week, before gutsy, we hope to make changes
[08:44] <bspencer> in the next 2 days
[08:45] <bspencer> I can try and push them up via HappyCamp 
[08:46] <bspencer> HappyCamp keeps asking me why we have "moblin-calc"  :)   I say, "cause it's soo cool"
[08:46] <agoliveira> Well, that's the usual process. You can send the patches to me but I'll have to tidy it up and go over the sponsorship anyway so we will have 2x the same work.
[08:46] <bspencer> HappyCamp, if I feed you patches for galculator and email, can you get these pushed up?
[08:47] <agoliveira> bspencer: I can help you with that too, no problem.
[08:48] <agoliveira> bspencer: Actually, I'll probably be able to do it faster for galculator, for instance as I have a bit of experience with it.
[08:49] <bspencer> agoliveira, who is the MOTU that makes the changes?
[08:50] <agoliveira> bspencer: Anyone who have upload rights. Tollef can help there too.
[08:50] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, do you have upload rights for galculator?
[08:50] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: No, I don't.
[08:50] <HappyCamp> :(
[08:50] <bspencer> aha!  there's the rub.
[08:50] <agoliveira> I'm not MOTU (yet) :)
[08:50] <bspencer> that's where I misunderstood :P
[08:51] <HappyCamp> Okay.  So bspencer what we need to do is see how big your changes are to the current galculator.
[08:51] <bspencer> so we depend on asac and Mithrandir.  And mjg59 has been helping too
[08:51] <HappyCamp> We do NOT want to rename it to moblin-calc, I would think.
[08:51] <bspencer> HappyCamp, menus and about 15lines of code
[08:51] <HappyCamp> bspencer, dholbach can help too.
[08:51] <rustyl> can somebody point me to the standard blueprint template URL... i'm having a hard time finding it again
[08:51] <agoliveira> Please, don't. Let's try to keep it in sync with upstream unless absolutely necessary.
[08:51] <HappyCamp> bspencer, Okay, so why don't you work with me and then I can try to work with one of the MOTU's to get it pushed up.
[08:52] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, please don't what?
[08:52] <bspencer> agoliveira, ok.  as long as upstream likes lots of MID-specific UI changes (like arbitrary menu reorganizing)
[08:52] <agoliveira> rustyl: Just start a black page and you should see the template options.
[08:52] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: rename the application.
[08:52] <rustyl> hmm.... i don't see a blueprint template
[08:52] <rustyl> let me look again
[08:52] <agoliveira> bspencer: Of course if you want to fork... but I don't see a reason foir that.
[08:52] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, I wasn't planning on it.
[08:53] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, have you seen our moblin-calc?  Have you tried it?
[08:53] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Oh, I misunderstood you.
[08:53] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: I don't think I did.
[08:54] <bspencer> ok.  let me put together a few patches for it.  
[08:54] <bspencer> agoliveira, what do you think about the menu reorg for all the mobile apps?
[08:54] <rustyl> agoliveira, ahh.... it's called a "SpecTemplate"
[08:54] <rustyl> i was looking for a blueprint something or another
[08:55] <agoliveira> bspencer: I think that's a very good idea. If we want to have a product and not a hacker's edition of whatever, the simpler the better.
[08:56] <agoliveira> rustyl: I was sure it was there somewhere, I just didn't remember exactly the name.
[08:56] <bspencer> agoliveira, we are struggling here trying to decide how to get passed the hacker edition
[08:56] <bspencer> it means really owning things and getting a tight look/feel to them
[08:56] <bspencer> but that takes a lot of time
[08:56] <bspencer> it doesn' thappen overnight
[08:56] <agoliveira> bspencer: Really, a lot of time and work.
[09:13] <bspencer> HappyCamp, do I need to get a new image-creator in order to get a working image for the Q1 today?
[09:14] <bspencer> or can I just create a new target ?
[09:14] <HappyCamp> I would update image-creator to get rustyl 's fix for the depmod issue.
[09:14] <bspencer> ok, thx.
[09:16] <bspencer> HappyCamp, starting the process now.  Time check: 12:16
[09:16] <bspencer> PDT
[09:16] <HappyCamp> okay :)
[09:17] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> bspencer: starting process here with a make cleaninstall
[09:18] <agoliveira> s/meu/menu
[09:18] <bspencer> HappyCamp, make failed
[09:18] <bspencer> make install I mean
[09:19] <bspencer> do I just ignore the test failures?
[09:19] <HappyCamp> Do you have projects with platforms other then mccaslin-lpia and menlow-lpia?
[09:19] <bspencer> yes, certainly
[09:19] <HappyCamp> That's why :(
[09:19] <bspencer> I do real work over here
[09:19] <bspencer> I can't afford to be without a working target
[09:19] <bspencer> and thank goodness or I would have been stuck for the last week
[09:19] <HappyCamp> Man you should move over two rows, we don't do any real work over here :)
[09:19] <bspencer> while you sorted out LPIA
[09:19] <bspencer> :)
[09:19] <bspencer> so I can't update until I remove non-LPIA targets?
[09:20] <bspencer> why the arbitrary check?
[09:20] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> bspencer: Just finished creating a new project after cleaninstall
[09:20] <bspencer> and why are we always burning our old bridges befrore the new one is built?
[09:20] <suihkulokki> it puts some speed into building the new one
[09:21] <bspencer> doesn't seem to :)
[09:21] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> So every one will work on the new bridge :)
[09:21] <suihkulokki> well, thats the _theory_ :)
[09:22] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> bspencer: created a new target, now install the full FSET
[09:22] <bspencer> HappyCamp_ubuntu, you're on your own.  I can't give up my old target until next week
[09:23] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> okay.
[09:23] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> live in the past bspencer .  Just live in the past! ;)
[09:23] <bspencer> HappyCamp, actually I'm screwed because I can't start image-creator
[09:24] <bspencer> going to debug why now... <sigh>
[09:25] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> bspencer: you could rollback image creator to a previous version.
[09:25] <bspencer> yes, trying
[09:25] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> git log, find the version.  Then git checkout.
[09:25] <bspencer> something about git 
[09:25] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> Almost done installing the samsung full with proprietary.  It is downloading the flash player now.
[09:27] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> bspencer: took 12 minutes from start to finish, and I did it manually.
[09:28] <bspencer> my clock is still ticking over here as I peruse git logs for a good rollback place
[09:30] <smagoun> bspencer: I'm using commit 3af285f34d0853ac9f01334b317bef8e82681769 with success
[09:34] <smagoun> heh...I think they're SHA-1 hashes of the commit, which is why they're so ugly.
[09:44] <sabotage> HappyCamp_ubuntu: 12 minutes?  I'm 3 hours and counting still...finally adding fsets.  Is there a local mirror we can point to?
[09:54] <sabotage> ouch
[10:11] <HappyCamp> sabotage, yep use the proxy server.
[10:11] <HappyCamp> s/proxy/mirror/
[10:11] <HappyCamp> https://umd.jf.intel.com/projects/umd/wiki/SpeedingUpImageCreator
[10:12] <HappyCamp> ian_brasil, you may want to mirror ubuntu locally, if you can spare 60 GB of bandwidth.  Or setup a caching proxy server locally.
[10:14] <sabotage> HappyCamp: thanks
[10:14] <smagoun> FWIW We set up a pair of mirrors - one updated nightly, and a stable one that's updated by hand. It's a pain to set up, but with upstream broken so often the stable mirror has been a big help.
[10:17] <agoliveira> smagoun: I hope you improved you link a bit to do it :)
[10:17] <smagoun> sadly, no. It's just a T1 :(
[10:18] <smagoun> I have 6mbit at home, I think.
[10:19] <smagoun> I hear there's a gigabit fiber drop in this building, too bad we're not hooked up.
[10:20] <agoliveira> I can't get more than 2M around here.
[10:22] <smagoun> but you can get guarana and caipirinhas there. They are difficult to find here. So it's a fair tradeoff, really.
[10:24] <agoliveira> smagoun: Fair enough... :) BTW, if wasn't for the freaking liquids-on-plane ban, I'll gladly bring you some guaran and cachaa...
[10:26] <bspencer> HappyCamp, the tag we rolled to only supports non-LPIA builds
[10:26] <HappyCamp> bspencer, Go a little bit more forward
[10:33] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: "I'll gladly bring you some guaran and cachaa"...wouldn't get much coding dome
[10:34] <ian_brasil> maybe just the gurana and we will all code like ninja's
[10:34] <HappyCamp> ian_brasil, I updated the readme file with info on how to speed up image creator if you have a local mirror.  You have to get the latest version of image creator from the Git repo to see it.
[10:35] <ian_brasil> HappyCamp: Cool, thx for that
[11:39] <ToddBrandt> Is the ubuntu owner of the gnome-applets package online?
[12:04] <joelbryan> hello, I have a Nokia 7710, is there a Ubuntu Mobile version for it?
[12:12] <mjg59> No
[12:13] <mjg59> We're targetting mobile x86 right now
[12:13] <mjg59> Nothing at the phone level
[12:14] <WorkingOnWise> what x86 mobile hardware is there?
[12:15] <joelbryan> This is really exciting project.
[12:16] <joelbryan> any distro out there that can replace symbian?
[12:22] <mjg59> joelbryan: No
[12:23] <mjg59> It's not a matter of replacing Symbian - it's a matter of porting the entire kernel to your phone
[12:23] <mjg59> WorkingOnWise: UMPC, and MID turns up next year
[12:24] <WorkingOnWise> oh yeah...I forgot about the UMPC's! My eyes would neve tolerate them at my dusty age!
[12:40] <rustyl> Has anyone here been able to use xserver-xgl on a samsung-q1?  I am experimenting with clutter and want to enable the 2d/3d hardware, so i 'apt-get install xserver-xgl'
[12:40] <rustyl> but after installing xserver-xgl i get a lot of strange behavior
[12:40] <rustyl> like a clutter app (or 3d game) will cause the xserver to crash
[12:40] <rustyl> am I missing a step?
[12:42] <mjg59> rustyl: Yes - 3D apps don't work well on xserver-xgl
[12:43] <mjg59> You shouldn't need it
[12:49] <rustyl> let me ask another way... what do i need to install in order for opengl'sh apps (like anything that uses the clutter libs) to use the graphics hardware instead of doing all the work on the CPU?
[12:50] <rustyl> this is an area i have never really understood
[12:51] <mjg59> libgl1-mesa-dri
[12:53] <rustyl> thanks