=== zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorbote [n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorbote [n=vorbote@unaffiliated/vorbote] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp121-44-55-148.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@123.200.139.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-087-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === prcs [n=prcs@87-196-93-31.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] i there [01:57] i've just installed ubuntu [01:57] and i'm already interest on this MOTU community [01:58] can anyone help me to find more info for example how to enter on it? [01:58] thanks in advance === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-42140888885c54a4] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] prcs: please see the Contributing link in the topic [02:01] thanks [02:02] thanks crimsun [02:02] ;) [02:04] yw === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@222-155-46-68.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [i=rob@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === go1 [n=matthew@adsl-69-236-106-210.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] Heya gang [02:48] hello bddebian [02:48] Hi gnomefreak [02:58] what was the intel video card 965 missing that it needs to run compiz? === go1 [n=matthew@adsl-69-236-106-210.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:58] i cant remember exact reason === hoora80 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-cd38581b7f37dc72] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jmg_ [n=cartel@ip-58-28-158-195.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] gah [02:59] new york times advocating automatix :( [02:59] gnomefreak: Probably that it didn't handle Xv + compiz [03:00] jmg_: linux foundation told larry to post it in his article === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] Which would be that the driver doesn't handle textured-video, I think. [03:01] that sounds right [03:01] gnomefreak: :? [03:02] so what was the status of fluendo dvd in the end? has canonical licensed it? [03:03] jmg_: Fluendo has a dvd-nav gstreamer plugin? [03:03] RAOF: dont know how it works, but its required to use the dvd functionality for elisa [03:05] Hm, it doesn't appear to include a DVD title nav plugin (ala dvdnav). I wonder how that works... [03:06] jmg_: thats what the author of the nytimes article told me === gnomefreak emailed larry(the author) about the automatix suggestion in the article [03:07] caught flak from automatix people [03:07] of course [03:09] i miss stated what i meant and they went at me but crap happens [03:11] Automatix would be easier to deal with if the authors weren't so *defensive* === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] and they cleaned it up a bit ;) [03:11] That too. :-) === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] I see they at least *say* they want to come in from the cold, though. [03:20] it's a good start [03:23] Will any of them be at UDS? [03:23] probably [03:23] i get to miss it again :( [03:24] and its close only ~800 or so miles [03:24] What excuse do you have this time, then? [03:24] :) === jmg_ [n=cartel@ip-58-28-158-195.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:26] court on oct 31 [03:27] As juror, I trust? [03:27] no === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] not that lucky [03:28] :( [03:28] being sued for an accedent [03:28] That sucks. [03:29] eh she wont win. too many people saw the traffic light being red when she hit me [03:29] Which is worse, right? Well, maybe. [03:30] As in, it's a frivolous waste of your time. [03:30] agreed [03:30] 3 days worth of paperwork each year this was 2 years ago [03:31] it's a shame how crap like that even manages to make it to court === gnomefreak needs a lawyer with a pc i think [03:31] Wow, the lightning fast arm of the law. [03:32] yep but damn if i shoot someone for tresspassing ill be indited and found gulty faster than you can blink [03:32] irony sucks [03:32] Over IRC? Yes. [03:33] ;) === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@pool-151-203-201-120.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] Hrm. [03:40] I think I have virtualbox-ose-modules working. [03:41] Now to fudge up a copyright and get someone to test the modules actually work. === YokoZar1 [n=scott@c-67-166-147-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] Any REVU admins around? I have two uploads to make, but I can't because of flaky internet and I'm not sure what to do === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N840P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] YokoZar1: Do you have anywhere else you can post them? [04:00] ScottK: yeah [04:01] In that case, just put them up where you can and mail the motu list or ping someone here. === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mdomsch [n=mdomsch@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] jdong: Did you have anything to do with the Automatix "we want to play too" mail? [04:03] ScottK: I am unfamiliar with the e-mail itself, so probably not :) [04:03] Heh. [04:03] jdong: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-October/001902.html [04:04] Also, is it ok to have .svg files in the /debian folder? [04:04] ScottK: very interesting; I'd love to see where it will go. The attitude sounds right and promising [04:05] jdong: Yes. The concern I have is they are saying nothing about making it respect that packaging system. [04:05] YokoZar1: Yes [04:06] What is the main use case for Automatix in Gutsy now anyway? Gutsy does a whole lot automatically [04:06] bddebian: Thanks. I got worried when I had to remove the .png files (also icons) since dpkg threw a fit about unrepresentable changes to source. === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] YokoZar1: Aye, you can't add binary files. xpm or svg are OK since they aren't binary [04:07] YokoZar1: Historically the main use case has been Automatix is REALLY cool and anyone who thinks there are problems with it just doesn't understand. [04:07] Sounds like compiz === bddebian hides === ScottK wonders if it's still going to sigkill dpkg. [04:08] Well before people were using Automatix to add the winehq repos, for instance [04:08] I'm going to try and pimp Third Party Apt for Hardy to get rid of that usage (since installing, say, the Wine repos would be point and click) [04:09] People were also using Automatix to install codecs, but that's done smoothly now too [04:09] YokoZar1: Sure. Some of it's actually useful for someone who doesn't know what they are doing, but those are the same people most likely to get burned by the crackpot aspects of it's design. [04:09] No argument here === jml [n=jml@222-153-104-109.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] jdong: I'd hate to have the first response they get from an Ubuntu dev amount to "Yes, but are you going to make it not suck?" [04:11] I think if they are going to do so, they ought to say it, if not, there isn't much to discuss. [04:11] I was hoping you could ask around a little. [04:11] ScottK: hobbsee already took the honor of making a similar remark at the forums (linking to Matthew's analysis of the codebase)... [04:11] Ah. Cool. [04:11] ScottK: so at this point I think it'd be redundant to ask again, but I'll put chatting on #automatix on my todo list [04:11] That's pretty much what I was tempted to do. [04:11] OK. [04:12] ScottK: Also, last time I checked (a month or so ago), Automatix still sigkilled dpkg. [04:12] I was sort of hoping to get some dialogue going from someone they viewed as less hostile. [04:12] RAOF: Thanks. I'm not suprised. [04:12] My impression is that they don't really get why that's a bad idea. [04:13] How hard can it be to get? [04:14] RAOF: Apparently pretty hard based on the evidence to date. [04:14] Incidentally, the XFont-enabled branch of emacs-snapshot will be making Hardy if I have anything to do with it! [04:14] ScottK: :/ === cypher1 [n=cypher1@pool-71-187-249-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] hmm, will the real maildirmake please stand up? [04:19] Well on the forums the response is, "Oh, yeah, I fixed all that stuff." We'll see. [04:20] Maybe I should talk to the automatix people [04:21] I've been IMing with the main guy for a bit ever since he added the Wine repos to the program [04:25] jdong: the 'real' one? [04:26] ajmitch: there's like 3 different ones provided by various packages... is there one that's better than others, or will this dovecot one I have around work? [04:26] the dovecot one works for me [04:27] ok, I'll give it a shot [04:28] YokoZar1: Personally, I think that, as long as they are fixing the evil in Automatix, this is a good announcement. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.1.167] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] Certainly. Automatix is a symptom of a real problem/need, and could possibly be a useful part of a solution. [04:34] What would a solution look like? A repository of illegal software and a meta-package? [04:35] Possibly :) [04:35] That's not quite the entirety of the problem it is symptomatic of, though. [04:36] Although much of the rest of the problem is already solved (restricted manager, easy-codec-install, etc.) === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] apt-url is also eating in on the problem, too. [04:41] RAOF: apt-url + third party APT pretty much solves it [04:42] except that apt-url is not going to work with 3rd party repos [04:43] Amaranth: Why not? [04:43] security concerns [04:43] Amaranth: Can't the user tweak that by adding the necessary keys? [04:44] at which point there's no point using apt-url [04:44] clicky-clicky [04:44] Third Party Apt could add both keys and default packages. EG when you add the Wine repo, it'll add the winehq key and the wine package. [04:45] I don't see how apt-url would tell apart the wine in the wine repo from the stock one, if both have valid signatures in the user's apt-key database [04:50] Why do I constantly feel like I'm talking to myself anymore... === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] bddebian: #debian-mentors can be like that. [05:02] ScottK: Heh. I mean in general but yeah, that's what prompted that remark :-) === jml [n=jml@222-155-46-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:14] ScottK: If kmos package gets in before mine, I'm hanging it all up. :-) === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] tritium!! [05:14] hi bddebian :) [05:14] How you been man? [05:15] Good, thanks. You? [05:15] Same as always thanks :) [05:15] Glad to hear it! === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@pool-71-126-236-225.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml_ [n=jml@222-153-108-39.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] RAOF: did you have to modify the udev rules to use iwl3945? === djennewe [n=djennewe@71-221-57-183.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml__ [n=jml@222-153-112-150.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.250.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mekius [n=mekius@pool-96-230-17-206.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _nuu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mssever [n=scott@75-106-9-198.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mssever [n=scott@75-106-9-198.cust.wildblue.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === RAOF regrets ever touching the Azureus bugs. [06:55] Hey jml [06:56] RAOF: hi === nuu [n=neuro@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1893] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@222-153-112-150.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] hi jml, RAOF === Dessan [n=andrew@ip70-191-201-165.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] RAOF: Isn't hindsight wonderful? (Ever touching the Azureus bugs.) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.1.167] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] StevenK: Eh, indeed. And now people send me emails saying "please fix my Azureus" :( [07:13] "Stop trying to pirate movies and animes using it. Problem solved." [07:14] "A simple merge from Debian will solve it" <---- Correct, in all but the "simple" [07:14] Hah. [07:15] "Simple? You try it, and let me know." :-P [07:15] I wouldn't foist Azureus on a prospective contributor. They'd think we were gods or insane, or possibly both. [07:17] Hah [07:19] Oh, I love Telstra. [07:19] "Due to a high number of calls, this service is not currently available. Please call back later. " [07:20] /blink === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] I'm ringing them to pay my bill - surely they'd love to hear from me, I want to give them some of my money! === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] Not allowing customers to pay you money is the new business model. [07:21] cf: Region locking, not-for-Australia artists on eMusic, etc. [07:22] How is that possibly sustainable? :-) [07:22] Magic. By not letting them pay you money, you make more money! === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] RAOF: you have nouveau packaged anywhere? [07:30] pwnguin: Yes, in my PPA, but it's a little old. [07:31] xrandr1.2? [07:31] pwnguin: If you want to wait for this evening I'll update the packages, rebuild libdrm against -13-generic, etc. [07:31] pwnguin: Yes. Both the branch, and trunk which now has the XRandR12 xorg.conf option. === pwnguin is looking for rotate 180 functionality [07:32] you happen to have a link to the tree? [07:32] nouveau's site is a bit ugly and hard to follow =/ [07:32] pwnguin: You mean, the bzr branch I'm packaging in? No, it's on my lappy. === amachu [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] upstream [07:33] Hum. [07:33] pwnguin: However, !nouveau links to the PPA, and my packages have the full git tree in them (so they contain proper debug info) [07:33] like, where's their git/cvs/wtfever [07:33] pwnguin: So, a quick dget from the PPA + a git pull should see you at trunk. [07:33] im wanting to view the source to investigate specific functionality [07:34] gitweb.freedesktop.org, I think [07:35] the dri component is in the mesa project [07:36] pwnguin: ajmitch is correct. And the DRI component isn't necessary for 2d operation (and barely works), but you [07:36] *need* libdrm trunk [07:36] well, im not about to build it [07:36] just want to see if what i want is even there at all [07:36] but thanks for the tip [07:38] on a related note, what is Haiku? [07:38] beos implementation [07:38] ah [07:38] basically a free software clone of it [07:38] binary compatibility & all, apparantly [07:39] "it" [07:39] BeOS, as above [07:39] oh [07:40] i just see references to haiku every once in a while, and i thought it strange i'd never heard of it before [07:41] it's not particularly well known [07:41] i can see why now [07:47] good news, its still not fixed in the upstream [07:47] guess i'll bug their mailing list about it === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-143-41.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans__ [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-0238abd27374d7f2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@222-155-50-82.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@h161n2fls31o808.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:16] how do i build a package without an @ubuntu.com addy for maintainer? It's a motumedia package i'm fixing, and debuild -S complains. [08:22] set up a GPG key [08:23] pwnguin, you intending that for me? [08:28] yes [08:29] how does setting up a GPG key bypass that check for @ubuntu.com in the e-mail address? [08:30] yeah i've got GPG keys setup for my own @ubuntu.com addy. [08:30] there must be a switch to pass to debuild to change this behavior i'd think [08:30] i can't seem to find on the man pages however [08:30] superm1: Last I checked that was a warning, not an error? [08:31] RAOF: on my machine it causes a FTBFS [08:31] dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [08:31] debuild: fatal error at line 1247: [08:31] and that is all it says [08:31] stops right there [08:31] Hm. That's annoying. I thought that behaviour was changed. === RAOF basks in the joy of a python script for writing TeX macros. === jml_ [n=jml@222-153-111-129.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] Fujitsu, siretart, slomo, how do you guys upload then? [08:35] superm1: you don't, you have to have it I think. === Gasten [n=Gasten@h14n5c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] well how did they upload before then? [08:36] i mean the current version in gutsy is listed with Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Media Team [08:46] superm1: What's your DEBEMAIL environment variable set to? [08:46] soren, to my addy, superm1@ubuntu.com [08:46] superm1: unset it and try again. [08:47] (that check is only enabled if $ENV{'DEBEMAIL'} ~= /ubuntu.com/ [08:47] It doesn' [08:47] Gah [08:47] It doesn't check what the Changed-By address is? That's ... interesting. [08:48] ah there we go. [08:48] thanks soren [08:48] superm1: np [08:48] that's some odd behavior though. for the people it's trying to avoid having issues, you would think they would typically be ones who don't have DEBEMAIL set === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-242-12-54.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] superm1: Huh? [08:50] I cannot upload to REVU, I have put a new Wine and ia32-libs package at my own webspace here: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/experimental/ [08:51] soren, isn't that behavior supposed to be to prevent new people from mis listing maintainer addy? [08:51] superm1: If your DEBEMAIL has "ubuntu.com" in it, it's likely you're working on packages for Ubuntu. And packages for Ubuntu are the ones that should have an original maintainer field. [08:51] or is it a different purpose? [08:51] ah i see [08:51] Good morning! [08:52] ScottK: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/experimental/ [08:53] mornin asisak === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] soren, those vmware modules you were going to be doing for l-u-m, are those going to happen for gutsy, or is l-u-m closed from new stuff now? [08:55] !nouveau [08:55] Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive === amachu [n=amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml_ [n=jml@222-155-40-107.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F747E6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] good morning [09:01] pkern: Are you in charge of sobby as well as gobby? [09:03] superm1: I expect them to land in the -virtual image for gutsy. [09:03] soren, awesome [09:04] morning dholbach [09:04] hey superm1 === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] tonyyarusso: Aye. [09:08] pkern: 'k. What's the preferred method for submitting feature requests / specifications? [09:08] tonyyarusso: http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ [09:09] okay === tonyyarusso will likely do one soonish [09:09] tonyyarusso: Don't submit undo, please. :-P === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] pkern: hehe, no. flat-file editing with sobby [09:09] was just talking about it in -us [09:10] tonyyarusso: You are free to make up a patch. Sobby is somewhat neglected, i.e. it works and it could serve as a base for further developments but well... [09:10] hey elkbuntu. how's the new job going? === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-203.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] tonyyarusso: Armin is currently working on a new solution for collaborative editing and undo still isn't implemented in obby. (Although it might be possible now, with a lot of time.) [09:11] pkern: I unfortunately don't know a lick of coding, but can generally describe what I have in my head decently. [09:11] highvoltage, still in training. it's sooooooooooooooo crap. [09:11] elkbuntu: sorry :( [09:12] elkbuntu: you're alive! And online! [09:12] elkbuntu: If it makes you feel any better, my dad is being forced to go to a 12-day, 12-hours-a-day leadership conference this week. [09:12] Which is especially funny since he's probably had more leadership training than the guys running it. [09:12] highvoltage, atm we're learning how we will have to explain the countries most complex and ridiculous billing system to joe blogs type people. we're struggling to comprehend it and in 3 weeks time we'll be having to try explain it to consumers... [09:13] superm1: Which package are you attacking? [09:13] tonyyarusso, i'd totally prefer that actually [09:14] elkbuntu: heh, if it makes you feel any better, I went on a course last week on how to deal with government employees while we do the migration [09:14] elkbuntu: not that I have to work with the end-user anyway... at least it was just 2 days [09:14] Fujitsu, i attacked mplayer [09:14] elkbuntu: and we had to do a bit role-playing.. which was slightly fun [09:14] superm1: With a sword, I hope. === amachu_ [n=amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] RAOF, with a mighty large sword actually [09:15] superm1: Erm, using bzr, I hope? [09:15] Fujitsu, two minor changes that are in a dpatch in bzr now [09:15] of course :) [09:15] dpatch is bzr... if you say so. [09:15] *in [09:15] THey released rc2 about 45 minutes ago! [09:15] More than 11 months after the previous. [09:15] well it wasn't a new uvf that i uploaded, mine were rather minor :) [09:15] highvoltage, i'll explain more when i return, i have to now go buy more toilet paper because the crappy 1970's enameled steel cistern of my toilet decided to crack. I managed to patch it with superglue, but now i have 5 soggy rolls of toilet paper that i am so totally unwilling to use... === RAOF gasps. A project associated with ffmpeg has *released*! [09:15] Noted. === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] The changelog looks sooooo much like a second RC. No new features. At all. Of course not. [09:17] elkbuntu: !!! [09:17] StevenK! please save me!!!!!!!1! :( [09:17] Fujitsu, gawd. these guys need to learn what 'release candidate' means [09:17] elkbuntu: Then come visit me. :-) [09:17] anyway, afk [09:18] Fujitsu: Even better, change in default behaviour since RC1. :) [09:18] superm1: Just a bit. [09:18] I didn't even bother to read the whole changelog. === Fujitsu tries to unbreak Xen, too. [09:19] Heh, and new untested features. [09:19] Fujitsu, some of the changes look very appealing to me though. h264 improvements listed across 3 areas, matroska improvements [09:19] ooh [09:20] superm1: Yeah, but it's definitely not a RC. [09:20] yeah === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] I'll upload it to my PPA in a couple of minutes. === superm1 imagines the size of the actual diff between 1.0-rc2 and actual 1.0 [09:21] I daren't look. === RAOF suggests that 1.0 & -rc2 won't actually have any code in common. [09:21] haha [09:22] RAOF: Bwahaha === TLE [n=kenneth@s021749.fysik.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] Oh, I see, Epiphany decided to render the .tar.bz2, so my machine froze up. [09:25] superm1: Thanks for fixing those. [09:25] Fujitsu, yeah they were turning up mighty annoying on my boxen and resultant mythbuntu disks too :) [09:26] Ah. [09:26] so i figured that's the proper solution === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu runs diffstat, then closes his eyes. [09:30] 3160 files changed, 433441 insertions(+), 328901 deletions(-) [09:30] What an RC. [09:30] RC Candidate #1: Rewrote everything, kthxbye! === Fujitsu files a UVFe, then runs. [09:30] Fujitsu: Don't make me hurt you. [09:31] Damn [09:31] william@irranat:~/MOTUing/MPlayer/orig/MPlayer-1.0rc1$ find | xargs wc -l [09:31] [...] [09:32] 1120079 total [09:32] That can't be right. [09:32] find -type f ? [09:32] Same... [09:33] Modified 1/3 of the codebase. Ouch. [09:33] 1.1 million lines of code? Naaaah === AJ_uni [n=jajokita@jalava.cc.jyu.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] Oh wait, are they including every single library they link against? [09:33] Pretty much, I think. === StevenK sighs. [09:33] Idiots [09:34] Only 761704 lines in *.[ch] [09:37] StevenK: Well, they have to, of course. Libraries don't provide stable API/ABI, don't you know! [09:37] Also, libraries never release === persia thinks the ABI doesn't matter for code inclusion [09:37] Yay, ffmpeg. [09:38] They do if their authors aren't . [09:38] Indeedydo. I'd be tempted to try and actually do some release management for them, if the developers weren't absolutely and totally hostile to the very idea of releasing their library. [09:38] good morning everyone... [09:39] RAOF: "Release [09:39] Gah [09:39] StevenK: that was a nice thing to walk in and see [09:39] :) [09:39] jussi01: :-P [09:39] jussi01: Good morning! Welcome to the annual "ffmpeg is stupid" bitchfest [09:39] RAOF: "Release? Oh my God, then we'd have to admit we made a mistake at some point in the future!" [09:39] Annual? [09:40] RAOF: annual? I thought it was bi-weekly? [09:40] Daily? :-P [09:40] persia: Eh. Whatever. That's the first word that came to mind :) [09:40] StevenK: And how could we possibly provide a stable API while still being able to micro-optimise 0.1% speedups for obscure codecs? [09:41] RAOF: Without being ? :-) [09:41] Very useful, yes. [09:42] === AJ_uni [n=jajokita@jalava.cc.jyu.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-148-164.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] Greeting ye Masters, sorry to barge in like this again, but I assume it's getting harder and harder to re-sync by every minute right now, if not entirely impossible already, so if any from the motu-uvf team is present, may I ask to take a look at bug #149606, and bug #145538 for the steps explaining the former? Thanks. :) [09:56] Launchpad bug 149606 in python-gammu "FreezeException for python-gammu 0.22-2" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149606 [09:56] Launchpad bug 145538 in wammu "[UNMETDEPS] wammu has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145538 === ogra [n=ogra@p548AC1A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] RAOF: what does one set the xorg driver to with your package? nouveau? [10:03] pwnguin: Yup. [10:03] pwnguin: Remember, it currently won't work (unless you've updated the packages) [10:04] good to know [10:04] why does your package lack a changelog? [10:05] (or readmes =/) [10:05] Like Nouveau has documentation anyway === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] heh [10:07] pwnguin: Does it? Hm, I'll look at it when I'm updating my packages this evening :) [10:07] RAOF: xserver-video-nouveou-trunk seems to be missing a changelog in /usr/share/doc [10:07] i suppose for a PPA that sort of thing's fine [10:08] As in an upstream changelog? I don't think they have them. [10:08] no [10:08] as in any changelog [10:08] Oh. [10:08] traditionally from debian [10:08] (the dir) [10:08] they do have git comments [10:08] in upstream, but its hardly the same as a readable changelog [10:10] I'm not sure why the changelog isn't in there. Although it's basically "update to new git snapshot" x 10 [10:10] heh [10:10] well, i was looking for a setup hint, and all i found was a copyright. so something's right [10:11] at any rate, if you have new packages pushed out in the next eight hours, I guess I'll take a look. [10:11] I should go to bed, its 3am here === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] or move to austrialia [10:13] since they seem to be on my schedule [10:14] :) [10:15] Amaranth: Incidentally, yes. I did have to do something to use iwl. Blacklist ipw, and add iwl to /etc/modules [10:16] RAOF: I had to add ATTRS{type}=="1" [10:16] Amaranth: To where? [10:16] in 70-persistent-net.rules [10:16] udev [10:16] Hm. Why? [10:16] RAOF: otherwise I get a broken wlan0_rename device [10:17] Well, I get a *working* wlan0_rename device :) === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F70C3C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [i=root@brandine.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-203.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APoitiers-153-1-60-233.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APoitiers-153-1-60-233.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:15] good morning all [11:17] <\sh> remoins.. === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] morning [11:23] Hi geser. [11:24] Hi Fujitsu === PETRO [n=PETRO@200.79.242.8.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] Enter text here... === proppy [n=proppy@free2.mekensleep.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] U [11:30] U [11:30] UU === PETRO [n=PETRO@200.79.242.8.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:30] hi === PETRO [i=PETRO@200.79.242.8.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] whats this about iwl? a totally free replacement for ipw? === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] hey geser [11:34] Hi dholbach === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:35] hi all === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.219.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:35] pwnguin: Yes; also it mostly works. === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger__ [n=me@N939P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@62.6.158.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@189.Red-81-36-194.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] seriously, why does azureus use jni? all it seems to do is tank randomly =/ [12:12] # Problematic frame: [12:12] # C [libglibjni-0.4.so+0x9172] [12:14] pwnguin: azureus is junk anyway [12:15] Our azureus is also out of date. [12:15] actually, aside from crashing / memory hogging [12:15]