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travisbickkleDoes anyone know how I can save memory? I barely have anything running and it says I have 33mb free?04:08
tonyyarussotravisbickkle: how much do you have total?04:09
travisbickkleit says 503 total 465 used04:09
travisbickklepython is at the top of my list in memory usage in the process manager04:09
tonyyarussotravisbickkle: What's python running?  Exaile?04:09
tonyyarussotravisbickkle: also, how big is your swap?04:10
travisbickkleI don't know. I have checkgmail running in the background, nm-applet, ipodder, and pidgin04:10
travisbickklehow do i find the size of my swap?04:10
tonyyarussodf -h will work I think04:10
tonyyarussomaybe not...04:11
tonyyarussofree -m works04:11
travisbickklewhich one is swap04:12
travisbickklecached?04:12
travisbickkleoh swap04:12
travisbickkle258 total04:12
travisbickkle32 used04:12
travisbickkle225 free04:12
tonyyarussookay, that's fine.04:12
tonyyarussowell, two notes: You can use tools such as sysv-rc-conf (cli) or BUM (gtk) to manage what services are started at boot time.  For instance, you could disable the bluetooth daemon if you don't have any bluetooth devices.  This will help some.04:13
tonyyarusso2) Linux tries to keep your RAM full.  This is due to the fact that it is faster to access RAM than anything else.  Therefore, it may look like it's being used more than you think it should, or might have been used to with Windows.  This is normal.04:14
travisbickkleI ran Bum but barely anything is in the list04:14
travisbickklejust gdm usplash and apport04:14
tonyyarussoReally you only need to worry about it if you see degraded performance, not just from the output of system resource stuff.04:14
tonyyarussotravisbickkle: really?  I wonder if bum doesn't list all - I would think there was more04:15
travisbickkleYeah thats why I'm looking it up because my firefox is getting slow and using like 250 ram or so04:15
tonyyarussosysv-rc-conf shows like 40 items on my system04:15
travisbickklehow do i check sysv-rc-conf?04:16
tonyyarussoinstall the package and run the command of that name04:17
travisbickkleoh ok04:17
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travisbickkleWow I do have a lot running i guess04:20
froghow do I end a non responsive program?04:22
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jet65Can anyone help me with installing Xubuntu?04:30
maxamillion!ask | jet6504:30
ubotujet65: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:31
jet65Alright, well I've made the CD, and rebooted it and got to the boot screen. But once I choose to run and install Xubuntu, it loads for about 5 minutes, then goes to a blank bright blue screen with my cursor on it.04:32
jet65Have I done something wrong?04:32
jet65Right now I'm on Windows ME, since I will be double booting until I'm good with Xubuntu.04:34
maxamillionjet65: what are your computers specifications?04:35
maxamillionjet65: it sounds like it might be running out of ram for the live cd session and you might need to download the alternative installation cd04:36
jet65128 mb ram, 40 GB hard drive,  amd processor, and hardly anything on it (1.5 GB of music, and a few small programs)04:37
jet65I thought I only needed 64 mb ram to run Xubuntu04:37
maxamillionjet65: right, you only need 64mb of ram to run xubuntu but you will need 192mb of ram to run the live installation cd, in your situation you will need to download the alternative installation cd, it installs using a text based installation method (more familiar to the debian installer or stylistically with the first half of the windows xp installer)04:39
jet65OK, is that on the Xubuntu website too?04:39
maxamillionjet65: yes04:39
jet65And it installs the same thing?04:39
maxamillionjet65: sure does04:40
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jet65Alright, and how would you suggest I partition the hard drive while installing? I was considering 1 Gb or 750 mb for the swab and 20 GB for xubuntu04:40
jet65*for the swap04:41
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maxamillionjet65: that sounds good to me04:42
jet65Alright, and one last question. How do I get my music library from C: on Windows over to my new OS?04:42
maxamillionjet65: you might even be fine with 10 or 15gb for xubuntu ... i have a 120gb hard drive but only have 3gb used and that includes all my extra programs installed and personal files04:42
maxamillionjet65: ah, this can be done by mounting the windows file system ... lemme find the tutorial for you04:43
jet65Thanks...and I will try to use less for partitioning04:43
maxamillion!ntfs | jet6504:43
ubotujet65: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse04:43
jet65Alright well thanks very much for the help.04:43
maxamillionjet65: that will give you read access for write access to the partition do this --->04:44
maxamillion!ntfs-3g | jet6504:44
ubotujet65: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions04:44
maxamillionjet65: anytime :)04:44
jet65Thanks, and anymore problems I have I will make sure to check back in.04:44
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linux_stuany openwrt users here?09:46
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nikolamHelo10:03
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nikolamHow to install new version of something (gamin for instance) on Xubuntu, if dependencies are half of a system?10:04
nikolamI also had issues with needing to update libc6 for use with skype but I also had to install most of the system again and did not have source for new packages10:05
nikolamIs it advisable to put gutsy apt line and add it`s repository to get right version of libraries/programs and implement them system-wide?10:06
nikolamHow to install a program that needs sifferent version of libraries, anyway?10:07
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TheSheepnikolam: you don;t10:09
TheSheepnikolam: or you install half of a new system10:09
TheSheepnikolam: or whole new system10:09
nikolamSo I am stuck with distribution and programs compiled for it.10:10
nikolamEven if, per instance, gamin in 7.04 is making a mess of my life every day?10:10
nikolamBug reported>Nothing10:10
nikolamRight now i have about 80% of usage on both cpu cores and I am doing nothing.10:12
nikolamhttp://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324710:12
ubotuXFCE bug 3247 in vfs "Thunar only shows filesystem-changes on first start" [Normal,New] 10:12
nikolamBut I cant upgrade to gamin 0.1.910:12
nikolamI was thinking I escaped winfdblows DLL-hell10:14
nikolamIt is worse on Ubuntu/Linux..10:14
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mikubuntudownloaded google earth as .bin file to my desktop... how to i open/install it?12:41
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mikubuntui got bumped off the net, did anyone know how i install google earth?  i downloaded a .bin file to my desktop, but i don't know how to open/install it ... thanks01:07
ablomenmikubuntu, hey01:07
ablomenits easy01:07
mikubuntuablomen: kool, tell me how :)01:07
mikubuntuablomen: is it a terminal thing?01:08
ablomenjust open a terminal, then: `cd ~/Desktop` and then `sudo sh ./GoogleEarth.bin` (change GoogleEarth.bin to the name of the .bin file)01:08
ablomenjup it is :)01:08
mikubuntuok, i go try ... thx01:08
ablomenafter that there will come a window, just read the stuff and click next untill it says its finished :)01:09
ablomennp01:09
mikubuntuablomen: cd ~/Desktop    is a single command?01:10
ablomenyes everything within a `` is a single command01:10
mikubuntuablomen: not working ezackly that way ...01:15
ablomenwhats the problem?01:15
mikubuntui get: mikubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ after i entered cd~/Desktop01:17
mikubuntuthen i enter sudo sh ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin and ... nothing01:17
ablomendid you enter your password?01:17
mikubuntuwhat am i doing wrong01:18
mikubuntuya, but went back to command prompt01:18
ablomenhmm you could try `chmod +x ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin` and then `sudo ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin`01:19
mikubuntuno, sry, it's working, i looked again and i had left a space between ./  & filename01:20
mikubuntubut now another prob for me to investigate, installer came up and said i have zero free space, which cannot be so i gotta check that out now01:21
mikubuntuarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh01:21
ablomenhmm01:22
mikubuntumy disk usage analyser says i have 15.3 gigs available, but the installer says it doesn't have enough room to install 66mb of google ... hmmmmm .. wassup wit dat?01:23
ablomendo you have linux installed on multiple partitions?01:24
mikubuntuno, but this x is a fresh install over a previous ubuntu install that got corrupted when i downloaded unstable gutsy upgrade, could that be part of the problem?01:25
ablomenhmm dunno01:26
mikubuntuoh, well, i tried again and now it's working.  finicky, i guess, like a cat01:27
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Catoptromancyya I get odd problems kinda like that02:56
CatoptromancyI am converting a 6 gb mpg to a dvd .iso02:57
Catoptromancysays I ran out of disc space02:57
Catoptromancywith like 80+ gbs left02:57
wbadgerbut.. isn't a dvd like 4.7 gb big?02:57
CatoptromancyI specified dual layer dvd02:57
Catoptromancynot just that one02:58
Catoptromancya 3 or 4 gb dvd also has same error sometimes02:58
Catoptromancycouldnt find any documentation on (devede)02:59
wbadger:\ maybe you could seek support for the program you are using.. what are you using?02:59
Catoptromancygreat program when it works02:59
wbadgerthere isn't #devede :=\02:59
CatoptromancyI looked ofr support02:59
Catoptromancynope02:59
CatoptromancyIt was being hosted a large site02:59
Catoptromancyand found thier irc02:59
Catoptromancyand people were kinda cluessless03:00
Catoptromancyer03:00
Catoptromancythey had no idea03:00
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neozen!04:17
neozenthe cheapy blue usb-serial adapter I bought from ebay works out of the box!!!!04:17
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maxamillionkudos :)04:20
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_trine I used to have 4 panels at the bottom of my screen which showed me what was in each of the 4 desktops now I have accidentally removed them how can I get them back? this is in XFCE404:33
_trineI would really appreciate some help04:34
TheSheep_trine: right-click, select 'Add new item', scroll down, select Pager, click Add04:35
TheSheep_trine: right-click on the panel, that is04:36
_trineTheSheep: thx that has got it back but they are small vertical boxes they used to be horizontal04:38
TheSheep_trine: right-click on them, select properties, decrease the number of rows04:39
_trinedamn04:39
TheSheep?04:40
_trineI just clicked on something now they are gone04:40
_trinelol04:40
TheSheepprobably on 'remove' :)04:40
_trinethe whole line at the bottom has disapeared04:40
TheSheepouch04:40
_trinethere is something else too04:40
TheSheep_trine: right-click on the top panel, select 'customize panel', then click on the plus button, position the panel the way you want, etc.04:41
_trinedue to my messing about I have finished up with 2 verticle solid boxes on my screen I can't get rid of04:41
_trineok its at the top now04:42
TheSheep_trine: say, are you using compiz or something like that?04:42
_trineok figured that out now04:42
_trineI think I may be using compiz04:42
_trineI'm an old linux learner :(04:43
TheSheep_trine: wobley windows, cube desktop, etc. ?04:44
_trineb4 when I used to slide things to the left or right they automatically changed desktops now they don't04:45
_trineis that cube?04:45
TheSheep_trine: taht you can set up in settings->window manager settings->Advanced04:45
_trinethat's the menu that's disappeared04:46
_trineI think I will try a reboot04:46
_trineor a log out04:46
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_trinenope it looks like I have lost my original menu04:50
_trineis there a way to start again with xfce04:50
TheSheep_trine: just add it back04:50
_trineie to remove it all then reinstall it04:51
_trineI liked it a lot in its default state04:51
_trineI seem to have what appear to be panels when you click on them but they are very small oblongs04:53
TheSheep_trine: you can just delete your panel settings and then it will be back to defaults04:54
_trinehow04:54
TheSheep_trine: they are in your home directory, in .config/xfce4/panel/04:55
TheSheepthe .config directory is hidden04:55
TheSheepyou need to enable displaying hidden files04:55
SatanGol1awhere do i find the screensaver settings menu in xfce?04:58
TheSheepSatanGol1a: settings->screensaver settings, or settings->setting manager->screensaver settings04:59
SatanGol1aTheSheep: i have neither04:59
TheSheepSatanGol1a: you have proper installation of xubuntu?05:00
SatanGol1aTheSheep: yes, i think so05:00
SatanGol1aXfce 4 Desktop Environment05:00
SatanGol1aversion 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)05:00
SatanGol1aand the latest xubuntu version too i think05:01
TheSheepSatanGol1a: and you didn't unistall the screensaver?05:01
SatanGol1ano, not that i know of05:01
_trinewell I deleted all in that folder and rebooted and its all just the same :(05:01
SatanGol1ait works, goes on after like 15-30 in of inactivity05:01
SatanGol1a*min05:02
TheSheepSatanGol1a: I can see it right in the middle of the settings manager on my install05:02
TheSheepSatanGol1a: and it was always tehre05:02
TheSheepthere05:02
TheSheep_trine: that's strange05:02
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SatanGol1aTheSheep: hehe, well i dont, strange indeed, but thanks anyways05:03
_trineah05:05
_trineI did it05:05
_trineI needed to reduce the number of rows05:05
_trineback to 105:05
_trinegez05:07
_trinegeeez05:07
_trinenow I have removed05:07
_trineit05:07
_trinegrrrrrrrrrrrr05:08
_trinethe problem is that I have what appear to be 2 very compressed panels05:08
_trineon my screen05:08
_trineand I was trying to get rid of them05:09
_trinenow I have no panels at all it ask if i want to exit I answered yes and all the panels were gone05:10
_trine:(05:10
_trinehow do I get a panel back?05:10
_trinethis was working so nice this morning when I got up05:11
TheSheep_trine: press alt-F2 and type 'xfce4-panel'05:12
_trineyes that has brought 1 of my panels back05:13
TheSheep_trine: now right-click on it, select 'customize panel' and add more05:13
_trineYes I'm getting the hang of it now05:17
_trinethank you05:17
TheSheepit's a little complicated, but once you get it, it gets easy05:17
_trineyes05:18
_trineI really am impressed with xfce05:21
_trineI'm new to linux05:21
_trineand I'm also old05:21
_trineso I have an handicap05:21
_trinelol05:21
_trineits only fair05:21
_trineI'm using xchat to talk on irc05:22
_trinecan I add that to a panel05:22
totalwormfaceyou can add a laucher to the panel05:23
totalwormfacewith 'xchat' as the command to load05:23
TheSheep_trine: add a launcher, and then add xchat to the launcher05:23
_trinedo I need to know where xchat is on my computer05:24
_trineah i can drag it05:25
_trinenice05:25
_trineb4 i messed up I used to have a panel with applications on it like gnome has with all the program items05:27
_trinecan I get that back05:27
_trineI would really like to get back to how it was when i installed it05:28
_trineI think it might have imported the settings off gnome05:31
_trinethere is something in synaptic called05:32
_trinexubuntu-default-settings05:33
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sargsmittenhell ALL... does any1 know the minimun system requirements for Xubuntu?05:37
TheSheepsargsmitten: the yare on the xubuntu.org page05:38
sargsmittenthanx05:38
_trinegot my menus back05:40
_trine:)05:40
sargsmitten128 megs of ram minimun is fuxing incredible....it doesn't say anything about processor req tho05:41
TheSheep_trine: \o/05:41
TheSheepsargsmitten: because it will work on any processor, just slooooooow :)05:41
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_trinehey guys at 60 its hard getting the synapses working05:41
_trine:)))05:41
_trinethey have had years of alcohol abuse05:42
TheSheep_trine: no kidding, I'm full of respect for you05:42
_trine:)05:42
TheSheep_trine: I have tried to get my parents to learn that05:42
sargsmittencool cool sorry for so many questions... i used Ubuntu and im looking at installing xubuntu on my brother's shitty computer...how does Xfrce desktop environment compare to GNOME?05:42
_trinewell I'm retired now so i have time to spare05:42
_trinefrom a beginners point of view Xfce is better05:43
TheSheepsargsmitten: it's not as automated and doesn't have GUI tools for everything, but I find it simplier and faster05:43
TheSheep_trine: xfce is also more different from windows than, say, kde05:43
TheSheep_trine: but I consider it a good thing05:44
_trinewell I don't really know why but I just like it ,, its quicker than the others and does all I need05:44
sargsmittengood... i'm running ubuntu fiesty on a 3ghzP4 with 1gb ram ....and he'll i guess be runnin on a celeron M and 256mb ram05:44
sargsmittenso xubuntu wouldprolly be his best choice?05:45
TheSheepthunar rocks, the panels and settings could use a usability expret audit though :)05:45
sargsmittenbesides windows 98 of course (that would be a  joke)05:45
TheSheepsargsmitten: definitely better for this box than standard ubuntu05:45
_trineyou could use dos 6.205:46
_trinejoke05:46
_trineI remember using dos 305:46
TheSheepsargsmitten: if he's a little more advanced, you could also look at other disros using xfce -- like zenwalk for example05:46
TheSheep_trine: me too, I even used CP/M05:46
_trineyes and z8005:47
TheSheep_trine: I was stuck with dos 3.22 for a long time05:47
_trineI never had a problem with it05:47
TheSheepnever had z80, my friends had, I got access to computer much later05:47
sargsmitteni used DOSshell 6 on a monocrhom laptop and sum how got DOOM to run on it...  mind u whenever i moved i couldn't see nething05:47
_trineit fact i was looking at my old books on it only yesterday05:47
TheSheep_trine: it's nice, but it does a fraction of what an operating system should do :)05:47
_trineyes you're right no ssh tftp nothing05:48
TheSheepthere was ftp and telnet05:49
sargsmittenso has any1 used GUTSY yet? and if so how's it lookin?05:49
TheSheepand a web browser, arachne I think05:49
_trineyes they were there and I used them all the time05:49
TheSheepsargsmitten: I'm on it even as we speak05:49
sargsmittenand/?05:49
TheSheep_trine: I didn't have any network access at that time05:49
_trinewe used to run a program called NOS05:49
_trinewe did05:49
_trinewe used ham radio05:49
_trineto play with tcpip05:50
TheSheep_trine: I didn't even had a hdd until much later05:50
_trinenor me05:50
TheSheep_trine: switching the diskettes later on, when an app was on a 2 or 3 of them was a nightmare05:50
_trinewe have floppy 51/4 disks05:50
sargsmittenTHESHEEP... how is it?05:50
TheSheepsargsmitten: works05:51
_trinewe used to TX 48k of program over our radios05:51
_trineit took 15 minutes05:51
_trineha ha05:51
sargsmittenshould i wait til its outta alpha/beta???????????05:51
_trineusing audio05:51
TheSheep!beta05:52
ubotuGutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+105:52
TheSheep!worksforme05:52
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/05:52
sargsmittencool thanx05:52
sargsmittensry about the cross distro talk there BOT05:53
TheSheepsargsmitten: we don't do marketting for xubuntu here, we do support, trying to help people, there is nothing wrong with recommending other soultions if they are better05:53
TheSheepfor the particular task05:54
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dazjorzHi06:46
dazjorzDoes anybody have a clue as to how long it will take approx. until Gutsy is released?06:47
dazjorzAfter using Ubuntu and Kubuntu for a while, I'd like to try Xubuntu, and while I'm at it, I'd like to take the most recent Gutsy CD06:48
TheSheepdazjorz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule06:49
dazjorzThanks :)06:51
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NullName!please help! My xubuntu 7.04 top and bottom panels disappeared! I think it might be because in the last session I crashed them with xkill.  How can I disable the restore session feature?  I have a menu when I right click on the desktop.08:26
hyper__chNullName: alt+f208:27
hyper__chand then:  xfce4-panel &08:27
NullNamethanks :)08:28
hyper__chNullName: it works?08:28
NullNameyep08:28
hyper__chgood08:28
NullNamethanks os much08:28
hyper__chthe panels are started iwth the xfce4-panel  binary08:29
NullNameI'll write it down08:29
hyper__chand the "&" at the end means, it should go on running, even if the the "terminal" is closed08:29
NullNamehehe luckily I know that much08:29
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=== hyper__ch didn't know for a very long time what the "&" does ;)
NullNamehehe. I love bash.08:30
NullNameso that's where I learned08:30
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hyper__chI know bash too little08:31
hyper__chand I'm totally clueless about regex :(08:31
NullNamenot many people care to learn...I guess its a system admin language..08:31
NullNamehehe I love regex!08:31
NullNamesome people use bash with cgi08:31
hyper__chbash is great08:31
hyper__chI use it for "auto-setup" of a new install08:32
hyper__chand for incremental, snap-shot style backups08:32
hyper__chand the last I created (with help) was for encoding all of Babylon 5 to mkv (h.264 & ogg)08:32
NullNameyes I love it for setting up everything when I log in08:32
NullNamehehe08:33
hyper__chbash is great08:33
NullNameIt's a great way to automate tasks08:33
NullNameyes..I love using it with curl and lynx -dump08:33
hyper__chsure it is :)08:33
NullNameautomating web tasks is a lot of fun08:33
hyper__chI've never tried myself on curl ;)08:33
NullNameI actually have made some wicked stuff with bash and cgi08:33
NullNameohh curl is nice!08:33
hyper__chwell, I've written a small bot for a webbroser game in PHP ;)08:34
NullNameI wrote my own little bash script that uses curl to spoof your useragent..referer...and chain two proxies (tor and jap)08:34
NullNamenice08:34
NullNameI love php too08:34
NullNamehehe you and me are on the same page08:34
NullNamephp and bash are my fav.08:34
dazjorzheh08:35
dazjorzIn my opinion, PHP should stay strictly to web programming08:35
hyper__chhehehe... well, the Snoopy class is excellent at emulating a browser08:35
dazjorzI'm a Perler, that explains all08:35
NullNamehehe08:35
hyper__chiieks...08:35
hyper__chperl08:35
NullNameI like perl too though08:35
hyper__chperl is complicated08:35
dazjorzLet's start another flamewar!08:35
hyper__ch(and never works for me)08:35
NullNamehehe08:35
dazjorzU ALL SUX WIT UR PHP08:35
hyper__ch;)08:36
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dazjorz;-)08:36
NullNamePHP= people hating perl08:36
dazjorzLol :')08:36
hyper__chwell, thats true for me08:36
NullNamehehe08:36
hyper__chhow can any sane person use java or perl?08:36
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dazjorzHeh08:36
FFighterhello08:36
hyper__chFFighter: hi08:37
FFighterhow can I add more pages to the pager, I mean, more desktop workspaces?08:37
NullNamewell java I don't understand....decompilers would scare me if I ran java08:37
dazjorzhyper__ch, Well I do consider myself sane enough08:37
dazjorzhyper__ch, I've looked into Java and it's okay, but not something I would like to keep writing in08:37
hyper__chFFighter: Settings --> Workspace Settings08:37
dazjorzI fail to explain why, though08:37
NullNamebecause of decompilers :-D08:38
NullNameI have 3 characters for you08:38
NullNamejad08:38
hyper__chjad?08:38
NullNameits a wicked java decompiler08:38
hyper__ch:)08:38
dazjorzwell you're not supposed to decompile stuff anyway ;)08:39
maxamillionNullName: what's wrong with java decompilers?08:39
NullNameyes but you should be prepared for people that will.08:39
NullNameI don't like the idea of users viewing source code08:39
hyper__chFFighter: found it?08:39
FFighterhyper__ch, thank you!08:39
NullNamesome people keep there mysql passwords in there source08:39
hyper__chone should decompile windoze... that should be a good laugh08:39
NullNameor even store passwords in there source08:39
NullNameheheh08:39
hyper__chNullName: a mysql password is not a password?08:40
NullNamehaha goo dpoint08:40
hyper__ch;)08:40
NullName:-p08:40
hyper__chFFighter: yw08:40
hyper__chNullName: I know... the English language is tough to master - even Bush fails at it too often ;)08:41
NullNameactually it's my spacebar at the moment.08:41
hyper__chNullName: your spacebar08:42
NullNameDid I say something that pissed you off?08:43
hyper__chNullName: nope, why?08:43
brobostigonhi08:44
NullNameYou seem a bit ticked off.08:44
hyper__chNullName: not at all.. I tried to make a little joke.... regaring your mysql password / password thing... you know, I have the Out-of-Office calendar by GW Bush on which he makes quite a few funny statement...08:45
hyper__chbrobostigon: hi08:45
NullNameoh hehe.  Sorry.  I thought you were making fun of my spelling and grammar errors.08:46
NullNameI must be a bit defensive.08:46
hyper__chNullName: nope, not at all... it was meant as a little joke08:48
hyper__chI still have to get the 2008 calendar:  http://www.amazon.com/2008-George-Office-Countdown-Calendar/dp/140220982708:48
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hyper__chso, gotta make some food :)08:51
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TABASCOGood evening09:06
TABASCOCan anyone tell me how much disk capacity xubuntu needs?09:07
hyper__chTABASCO: that's on the xubuntu home page09:07
hyper__chTABASCO: under requirements09:07
TABASCOis it?09:07
TABASCOOh, I'm sorry09:07
hyper__chTABASCO: it should be09:07
hyper__chTABASCO: it was at least once, a while ago09:07
TABASCOhyper__ch: The world is small.. :)09:08
hyper__chTABASCO: the world is relative09:08
TABASCO;)09:08
TABASCOeverything is relative..09:08
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TABASCOmhm, 1,5.. that's a little bit huge...09:09
hyper__chTABASCO: except the speed of light09:09
arttu...in a vacuum09:09
hyper__chTABASCO: it's not that hue09:09
hyper__chTABASCO: how much does windoze use?09:09
hyper__chTABASCO: windoze vista09:09
hyper__chboth are current OSes09:10
TABASCOhyper__ch: Well, the question is "which full operating system can I use on a 2GB hard disk" :)09:10
hyper__chTABASCO: DamnSmallLinux09:10
hyper__chTABASCO: FeatherLinux09:10
hyper__chTABASCO: DSL uses like 70mb09:10
TABASCOYes, I also first thought about DSL09:11
TABASCOBut Xubuntu is easier to use, in my opinion09:11
hyper__cheasier or more familiar?09:11
arttufluxbuntu isn't horrible either, i started on it, but it is kinda crude09:12
arttulighter than xubuntu09:12
TABASCOarttu: Yes, but the fluxbuntu page isn't available at the moment09:12
arttuwell look at that!09:13
TABASCOThey're comming back with Gutsy I guess09:14
TABASCOHas anyone an experience about the driver status in Damn Small Linux?09:14
hyper__chit works fine on my usb stick09:15
TABASCOIt should work on a DELL Inspiron 810009:16
TABASCOor 8200..09:16
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winkerbeanHi, any ideas why I would have an empty xorg.conf file after installing Xubuntu 7.04?09:31
TABASCOnot really09:33
TABASCOyou can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:33
winkerbeanThanks, TABASCO, I'll give it a try.09:34
TABASCOwinkerbean: No problem :)09:34
TABASCOThat's one of the most important commands, in my opinion09:35
TABASCOIf you have questions about it you can ask09:35
TABASCOMost of the questions during the configuration progress you can confirm09:36
winkerbeanThere was something strange...The installer did not ask me anything about my monitor or video card, except what resolutions I wanted.09:36
TABASCOmhm.. that's really strange09:37
TABASCOso what says lspci | grep VGA ?09:37
winkerbeanLet me check.  Be back soon.  (It's on another computer.)09:37
TABASCOsure09:38
winkerbeanBack, it says: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (reva1)09:41
TABASCOOkay, so that seems to work correctly09:42
TABASCOand sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?09:42
TABASCOby the way, you should highlight me09:43
winkerbeanworking on that now (how do I highlight you in chatzilla?)09:43
TheSheepwinkerbean: just menion his name09:45
TheSheepmention09:45
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TABASCOGood question09:47
TABASCOBy typing my name?09:47
TABASCOJust type TABA then press Tabulator and write your message09:47
TheSheeptype TAB then hit TAB ;)09:48
winkerbeanTABASCO: dpkg-reconfigure gave "cannot create configuration file"09:49
TheSheepwinkerbean: add 'sudo' in front09:49
TABASCOwouh, thats strange09:49
TABASCOah, for sure09:49
TABASCOdidn't I say so?09:49
TheSheepTABASCO: maybe he missed it09:50
TABASCOyes..09:50
TheSheepah, no, then it says: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root09:50
winkerbeanTABASCO: Let me check the sudo bit.09:51
TheSheepwinkerbean: what does 'ls -ld /etc/X11/xorg.conf' say?09:51
hyper__chls -ld?09:51
TABASCOokay, now are the experts coming...09:52
TheSheephyper__ch: long format, don't show directory contents09:52
hyper__chah :)09:52
winkerbeanTABASCO: yep, ran as sudo09:52
hyper__chTheSheep: thx mastre09:52
TheSheephyper__ch: just in case /etc/X11/xorg.conf happened to be a directory by some miracle :)09:53
winkerbeanTheSheep: it says, the file (definitely file) has 0 bytes and the owner is root.09:53
TheSheepwinkerbean: can you paste the beginning, the part with ---- in it09:54
TheSheepwinkerbean: something like rwxr-xr-x09:54
winkerbeanTheSheep: -rw-r--r--09:55
TheSheepwinkerbean: looks ok :/09:55
TheSheepwinkerbean: what does 'dmesg | grep mount' say?09:55
winkerbeanTheSheep: as sudo?09:55
TheSheepwinkerbean: no, normal user09:56
TheSheepwinkerbean: actually doesn't matter09:56
hyper__chTheSheep: :)09:56
hyper__chTheSheep: why does fdisk -l only work as root?09:57
TheSheephyper__ch: because it needs direct access to the device09:57
hyper__chTheSheep: ah :)09:57
winkerbeanTheSheep: [    7.521594]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode09:57
TheSheepwinkerbean: that's all? nothing about remounting read-only?09:58
winkerbeanTheSheep: Nope09:58
TABASCOthat will be difficult, it's on another pc09:58
TheSheepwinkerbean: ok, 'df -h'09:58
TheSheepwinkerbean: is there free space on / ?09:59
winkerbeanTheSheep: Oh, yeah. 225 GB09:59
hyper__chis there any FF plugin that lets me select a download location for each download?10:00
winkerbeanhyper__ch: I think you can select "Ask me every time" or something like that in the properties.10:00
TheSheepwinkerbean: well, try removing that file with 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and then creating it using 'sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf'10:00
hyper__chwinkerbean: it just saves it to the desktop but I can't set any other location10:01
TheSheephyper__ch: it's in settings10:01
TheSheephyper__ch: the first tab10:01
TheSheephyper__ch: right in the middle10:01
winkerbeanTheSheep: ok.  What's next?10:02
TheSheepwinkerbean: no errors?10:02
winkerbeanTheSheep: Nope10:02
TheSheephmm...10:02
hyper__chstupid me... I looked the whole time at the content type --> how to handle files10:02
winkerbeanTheSheep: Could this just be a 'cracked' installation?  I used the Live/Desktop CD to install.  Perhaps using the Alternate CD would help?10:03
TheSheepwinkerbean: try that 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' again10:03
winkerbeanTheSheep: ok.10:03
TABASCOhyper__ch: I think you don't need a plugin for that10:03
TheSheepwinkerbean: even if it's broken, it's faster to repair it than to reinstall :)10:03
TABASCOEdit10:03
TABASCOPreferences10:03
hyper__chfound it meanwhile :)10:03
TABASCOMain  Downloads  Always as me where to save files10:04
TheSheepTABASCO: he found it already :)10:04
hyper__chbut the help is appreciated ;)10:04
TheSheepyeah, keep it up :)10:04
TABASCOsorry folks, my internet was hanging10:08
hyper__chTABASCO: you got your own internet? Damn, that's cool ;)10:08
TABASCOhyper__ch: sure10:08
TABASCOit's aaall miiiiiiiine...10:08
TABASCOLike Microsoft10:08
hyper__chTABASCO: I have to share mine with so many others10:08
winkerbeanTheSheep: Still no such luck.  Alas, I must run to a meeting.  I shall try to come up with something.  Thanks for all your help. :-)10:09
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TABASCOWhat's the difference between Jurassic Park and Microsoft?10:12
TheSheep!ot10:12
ubotu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!10:12
TABASCOThe one is full of primeval monsters that are swallowing everything in their way and the other is a film.10:12
TABASCOOh is it?10:12
TheSheepit sure is10:12
TABASCOIt's different than in #kubuntu-de here10:12
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TheSheepTABASCO: loco channels have different policies10:13
TABASCOmhm.. kubuntu-de is the official kubuntu support channel of germany10:13
hyper__chTABASCO: see, a loco channel :)10:13
hyper__chTABASCO: the  #kubuntu-de channel is a bit seperatistic anyway10:14
TABASCOI see10:14
TABASCOmhm well, normally I'm only in #kubuntu-de and in #UWN-de, the german translation channel of the ubuntu weekly newsletter..10:15
TABASCOand because I own #UWN-de I allowed offtopic there :)10:15
TABASCOOkay, I'm doing offtopic again10:15
TABASCOSee you guys10:15
TheSheepTABASCO: we sometimes talk offtopic here, but the obviously offtopic stuff is sooner or later moved to #xubuntu-offtopic10:15
TABASCOokay10:16
hyper__chTABASCO: the secret is always to have a small link to an xubuntu related problem ;)10:17
TABASCOah.. well I just tried to play the jurassic park dvd on xubuntu, but it seems like there are some codecs missing...10:17
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Zach__Hello everyone, I have xUbuntu running on my xbox and I wanted to install wine to run windows games, however, I cant connect to the internet for some reason10:35
hyper__chZach__: give me an xbox and I try to find a solution :)10:35
hyper__ch!xbox | Zach__10:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:35
Zach__well someone from wine channel told me to come here for this problem10:36
hyper__chwell, I have no clue10:36
hyper__chwith the xbox10:36
Zach__you dont have an xbox?10:36
hyper__chis it ethernet?10:36
Zach__yes10:36
hyper__chZach__: nope, no xbox10:36
Zach__Wow10:37
hyper__chis the ethernet port recognized?10:37
Zach__yes,10:37
hyper__chZach__: why wow?10:37
Zach__because everyone has one10:37
hyper__chZach__: open a terminal and type:  ifconfig10:37
hyper__chZach__: obviously not everyone ;)10:37
Zach__ok let me first boot it up10:37
hyper__chxbox sounds M$10:37
Zach__xbox is from microsoft10:37
hyper__chanother good reason not to get one ;)10:38
PumpernickelErr, this isn't the support channel for this: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page, it's the support channel for this: http://xubuntu.org/10:38
Zach__lol10:38
hyper__chPumpernickel: he said he has xubuntu on his xbox10:38
Pumpernickelhyper__ch: Both projects, unfortunately, use the same name.10:39
TABASCOand the xbox 360 burns after you used some times..10:39
hyper__chPumpernickel: oh :)10:39
Zach__yea, i have xubuntu running on it, and could you give me a channel to connect to for xubuntu on the xbox: Pumpernickel?10:39
hyper__chZach__: well, then you should go to the channel mentioned in the wiki10:39
Zach__ok10:39
Zach__I'll check it out now, last time I went no one was there10:40
PumpernickelZach__: #xbox-linux on irc.oftc.net10:40
hyper__chZach__: well, you can still stay here but whether someone can help is - doubtful10:40
Zach__theres only 1 person!10:41
Zach__oh well though10:41
hyper__chthe xbox is started?10:42
TABASCOZach__: are you german?10:42
Zach__no why?10:42
hyper__chTABASCO: not everybody is German ;)10:42
TABASCOI think there is a good article about installing and configuring ubuntu on xbox in the german ubuntu wiki..10:42
Zach__Is everybody german here?10:43
TABASCOI don't think so10:43
TABASCOsome10:43
hyper__chI'm not German10:43
Zach__Im not either10:43
Zach__ok no one is answering me in the xbox channel10:43
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Zach__theres only like 2 people there10:44
TABASCOhehe10:44
hyper__chxbox running?10:44
Zach__yes10:44
hyper__chZach__: is a terminal open?10:44
Zach__I will open now10:44
Zach__it takes a long time because its running live from dvd disc10:45
Zach__so hold on10:45
hyper__ch*hold*10:45
hyper__ch*hold*10:45
hyper__ch*hold*10:45
Zach__lol10:45
TABASCOnothing to do, eh?10:45
TABASCO;)10:45
Zach__ok its up and running10:45
TABASCO*stop holding*10:46
Zach__yes no kidding10:46
hyper__chZach__: ifconfig10:46
hyper__ch[enter] 10:46
TABASCO:D10:46
Zach__ok10:46
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Zach__.....10:46
TABASCOany devices present?10:47
hyper__chso, what does appear?10:47
aryr100hello all10:47
TABASCOlike.. eth0 or something like that?10:47
hyper__charyr100: hi10:47
TABASCOhi aryr10010:47
Zach__ok heres the output: eth0 and lo10:47
Zach__and other stuff10:47
aryr100is there a cmd to upgrade to 7.10 like with gnome & kde ?10:47
hyper__chZach__: can you post that other stuff that belongs to eth0 ?10:48
hyper__charyr100: the same as gnome & kde10:48
Zach__yes hold on...10:48
aryr100kk thx10:48
hyper__charyr100: update-manager -d  or something like that10:48
TABASCOthat wasn't for you :)10:48
Zach__eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Inet addr:192.168.2.4 Bcast: 192.168.2.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0 and theres other stuff but its too much to write10:49
Zach__Ill check the browser10:49
hyper__chZach__:10:49
TABASCOZach__: maybe you try to ping10:49
hyper__chthat's ok10:49
TABASCOtype ping www.google.com10:49
TABASCO[enter] 10:50
TABASCO;)10:50
hyper__chZach__: please post what you get:   cat /etc/resolv.conf10:50
hyper__ch[enter] 10:50
Zach__ok but hold on10:50
hyper__ch;)10:50
Zach__this damn thing takes sooooo long to load anything10:50
TABASCOZach__: maybe you should just stay in the terminal10:51
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Zach__lol, yes I should10:51
TABASCOZach__: So try "ping www.google.com"10:51
TABASCOThat is always the best way to check the internet connection...10:51
Zach__waiting for the terminal to load...10:52
hyper__chTABASCO: not really... you should ping an IP address10:52
TABASCOhyper__ch: mhm, yes, that's correct10:52
hyper__chTABASCO: if you have no dns server set then pinging a domain will make you think you have no inet connection10:53
Zach__ok hyper_ch: heres what the output is: cat: invalid option c try cat help for more info10:53
hyper__chZach__: hmmm... interesting10:53
Zach__ya10:53
TABASCOZach__: What about the ping?10:54
hyper__chZach__: cd /etc10:54
hyper__chcat resolv.conf10:54
Zach__aye aye captain10:54
TABASCOping 193.99.144.8510:54
TABASCOthat should work - if there is any connection and no firewall..10:54
Zach__it says invalid option10:55
Zach__TABASCO: Ill try that10:55
hyper__chZach__: tail /etc/resolv.conf10:55
Zach__ok hold while this ping is going10:56
TABASCOZach__: what means "ping is going"?10:56
TABASCOwhat does he say?10:56
hyper__chZach__: if you have no result yet, press  ctrl-c10:57
Zach__I mean I ping that adresss and it f*ed my xbox up10:57
TABASCOexactly - I forgot to say that10:57
Zach__so hold on10:57
Zach__ok at terminal ill type tail /etc/resolv.conf10:58
Zach__command not found10:58
Zach__dang10:58
hyper__chZach__: nano /etc/resolv.conf10:58
TABASCOmaybe he has installed win2k instead xubuntu...?10:59
Zach__invalid option10:59
TABASCOthat would explain why all the commends aren't working10:59
hyper__chZach__: pico /etc/resolv.conf10:59
hyper__chTABASCO: well, ping should have worked10:59
hyper__chTABASCO: and ifconfig woudln't have returned anything10:59
Zach__no I am running xbox xubuntu from live dvd disc10:59
TABASCOhyper__ch: I would say there is something really wrong with that installation!10:59
TABASCOor live session10:59
hyper__chTABASCO: it's not installed... it's running from the dvd10:59
hyper__chTABASCO: I have no experience with xbox linux11:00
Zach__I didnt install I am running live session11:00
Zach__on the xbox11:00
hyper__ch:)11:00
Zach__when I type / it displays: .11:01
hyper__ch???11:01
Zach__I know weird11:02
hyper__chcan't help you, sorry11:02
Zach__anyhow thanks for the help11:02
Zach__do you know where I could stick the wine install file to be able to access it in xubuntu?11:02
Zach__winehq.org file11:03
TABASCOmaybe a win2k cd had sexual intercourse with a SUSE floppy and they called their baby "xubuntu live cd"?11:04
TABASCOand that's what he's running now..11:04
Zach__lol nope11:04
TABASCObecause SUSE is something like linux but nothing is working really..11:04
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Zach__well thats cool i got finally, respones on the xbox channel see ya guys and thanks for the help11:04
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TABASCOno problem (I think I didn't helped really)11:05
TABASCOmhm.. well xubuntu takes 1.5 gigabytes..11:06
TABASCObut what about the swap?11:06
TABASCOso if I have a 2 gigabyte hd, will it run on it?11:06
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Pumpernickel!language | TABASCO11:13
ubotuTABASCO: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.11:13
PumpernickelAnd re: the 2gb drive, yes.11:14
TABASCOwhat have I said what is not friendly?11:14
hyper__chTABASCO: sexual intercourse11:14
hyper__chmy 2 cents11:15
TABASCOHuh? Not friendly?11:15
TABASCOThis is interesting ^^11:15
TheSheepcan't get much friendlier than that ;)11:15
hyper__chmaking love ;)11:15
TABASCO:)11:15
TheSheepTABASCO: pretend your 6yo son is reading this11:15
TABASCOyes - and now?11:15
TheSheepTABASCO: ok, pretend it's your upright neighbour's son11:16
TABASCOthey have 6 children - I think they all know what sexual intercourse means :)11:16
DrgnKhanlol11:16
TABASCOwell sorry..11:16
hyper__ch!offtopic11:16
ubotu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!11:16
hyper__ch;)11:16
PumpernickelCan we pretend for a moment that this is a support channel, and that there's a convenient, but separate, other channel for everything not strictly related to supprt?11:16
TABASCOyes, I was just amused11:17
TABASCOI'm sorry11:17
hyper__chPumpernickel: I can't... I'm a realist ;)11:17
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Ancient1hi. I need a kickstart . absolute basic question : I need to run a script (in my home folder) . i tried sudo ./scrpt , entered the pass and it wasn't accepted .. HOW ?  is there a switch ?11:26
PumpernickelYou'd need it to be executable, which would require `chomd +x ./script`.11:27
PumpernickelIt's also likely that it doesn't require root priviledges, which means you wouldn't need the prefixed `sudo`.11:27
Ancient1i believe it is .. I did run in ubuntu but forgot how exactly11:28
Ancient1no , it does require11:28
Ancient1is there a gksu command or like this ?11:29
PumpernickelDoes `sudo sh ./script` work?11:29
Ancient1I'm in windows now . can't use the network11:29
Ancient1..without it11:29
Ancient1what sdo sh do ?11:31
Ancient1sudo*11:31
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PumpernickelIt launches sh with root privs and uses it to interpret the script, instead of trying to launch it directly.11:32
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graelbhi there, i'm trying to run "echo "0" > /proc/driver/acerhk/blueled" in a launcher... i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong, but it doesn't work. any ideas?11:46
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graelbThe command works in a terminal, but not in a "command" field in a launcher.11:46
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excalibashello, how can i know which version of xubuntu is installed?11:54
hyper__chexcalibas: you remember what you downloaded and installed11:56
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ICXCNIKAHello.12:28
TheSheephello ICXCNIKA12:31
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ICXCNIKAAre there any merits to Xubuntu over Kubuntu? I'm trying to decide which distro to use with my Inspiron 5100. I am planning on dual booting (with Windows).12:32
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DARKGuyhey, is it possible to open a getty (tty, VT, whatever) on a secondary display/card/monitor, just like X :1 would, but to also keep my current X session active on my main display?01:12

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