[03:48] <DaSkreech> !jucato
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Bah
[03:48] <Jucato> O.o
[03:48] <DaSkreech> !fluxbuntu
[03:48] <ubotu> fluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/
[04:15] <claydoh> ping Jucato
[04:16] <Jucato> claydoh: pong. OpenSource took care of it :)
[04:16] <claydoh> finally got that PM :
[04:16] <claydoh> I know
[04:16] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[04:16] <claydoh> noticed *after* i responded lol
[04:16] <Jucato> sorry for bothering you :P
[04:16] <claydoh> :P
[04:16] <claydoh> stop that
[04:17] <claydoh> ;)
[04:17] <Jucato> heheh :)
[04:18] <claydoh> I want everyone to know (as a konqueror lover, I *love* dolphin
[04:18] <Jucato> on KDE 4?
[04:18] <Jucato> I hoipe
[04:18] <Jucato> hope*
[04:19] <claydoh> heck on kde3 in gutsy
[04:19] <Jucato> ew....
[04:19] <claydoh> ok d3lphin
[04:19] <claydoh> in KDE4 it looks even sweeter
[04:19] <Jucato> ew ew ew :P
[04:20] <Jucato> oh well... I like the real Dolphin...
[04:20] <Jucato> n8k99: D3lphin is the fork of Dolphin on KDE 3
[04:20] <Jucato> as in "3"
[04:21] <n8k99> oh so when i click on dolphin's icon here in 3 it is really d3lphin i'm using?
[04:21] <n8k99> interesting
[04:21] <Jucato> on Kubuntu? yes
[04:21] <n8k99> ok- cool
[04:22] <Jucato> not so cool imho... it's severely damaging/going to damage Dolphin's reputation for KDE 4
[04:23] <n8k99> oh? is d3lphin that bad?
[04:23] <Jucato> compared to the one in KDE4? um.. yes? :)
[04:24] <Jucato> I had to make a patch to even get a "Restore item" and "Empty trash" in there...
[04:24] <n8k99> that was you?!!
[04:24] <Jucato> which until now D3lphin upstream hasn't replied to...
[04:24] <n8k99> YAY!!!
[04:24] <Jucato> hahah
[04:25] <Jucato> my first ever major patch that actually adds a functionality more than just a checkbox :)
[04:25] <n8k99> nice!
[04:25] <n8k99> hey check this article out
[04:25] <n8k99> http://www.linux.com/feature/119609
[04:25] <Jucato> and I just copied the implementation from Dolphin in KDE 4
[04:25] <n8k99> that's pretty good work- Jucato
[04:26] <Jucato> and guess what Dolphin in kDE 4 uses to do trash management? :)
[04:26] <n8k99> um, the trash:/
[04:26] <Jucato> libkonq!!!! :)
[04:26] <n8k99> haha
[04:26] <n8k99> that's funny
[04:26] <Jucato> yeah I found it amusing as well :)
[04:27] <Jucato> what other big differences... D3lphin doesn't have a Folders panel (tree list side bar), doesn't have an embedded terminal (F4 launches a separate konsole)
[04:27] <n8k99> oooh nice!
[04:27] <Jucato> D3lphin doesn't have grouping by categories
[04:28] <Jucato> Dolphin (KDE 4) has those
[04:28] <n8k99> you mean categories of files?
[04:28] <n8k99> like tagging items
[04:28] <Jucato> by letter, by type, etc
[04:28] <n8k99> oh right
[04:28] <n8k99> i see
[04:28] <Jucato> that too I think. but I never got nepomuk to work
[04:29] <Jucato> hm... ran into another upgrade bug yay!
[04:29] <n8k99> oh goodie!
[04:30] <n8k99> Detective Jucato on the case!
[04:30] <Jucato> yep. but this time it's not a show stopper hahah
[04:30] <Jucato> nah, I'll pass the burden on Hobbsee later :)
[04:30] <n8k99> hehe
[04:30] <n8k99> she'll poke you with her LongPointyStick
[04:31] <n8k99> unless that's been upgraded to LongPointyStick2.0
[04:31] <Jucato> she has more sticks now...
[04:31] <n8k99> oh dear- this is getting really dangerous
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hm?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:31] <n8k99> yikes
[04:31] <Hobbsee> LongPointyStick2.0.  i like that!
[04:31] <Hobbsee> oh dear :P
[04:31] <Jucato> hahaha :)
[04:32] <n8k99> i want to brag a bit
[04:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, the bug I'm talking about. fresh feisty install, upgrade to gutsy. upgrade is now over (after Riddell fixed the guidance bug). now the user still uses the Feisty KSplash
[04:32] <n8k99> Linux.com wrote a story about me this week
[04:32] <Jucato> absolutely fresh install, no modifications
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ksplash?  did we change that?
[04:33] <Jucato> the background at least
[04:33] <Jucato> it still uses Feisty's KSplash wallpaper
[04:33] <Jucato> n8k99: heheh yeah you're more famous than me. I only got dugg. you got linux.com'ed
[04:34] <n8k99> ok over it
[04:34] <Jucato> haha
[04:34] <Jucato> that was quick :)
[04:34] <Jucato> mine lasted 24 hours (digg effect)
[04:35] <n8k99> its too dangerous for me to hang onto that feeling too long
[04:35] <Jucato> aw.. k'mon! savor it... it only happens once :P
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah
[04:36] <Jucato> yes... "ah" :)
[04:36] <n8k99> hehe
[04:39] <DaSkreech> n8k99: I want world peace!
[04:39] <DaSkreech> hunger_t: Hey!
[04:39] <n8k99> DaSkreech: you want fries with that?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Depends. who made them
[04:40] <n8k99> Belgians
[04:40] <Jucato> w/ ketchup  please
[04:40] <ScottK> Mayo would be more truly Belgian.
[04:40] <n8k99> Ok one order of World Peace and two sides of Fries
[04:40] <n8k99> coming right up!
[04:41] <Hobbsee> interesting bloke.
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Pfft pinheiro is hitting like 400 with his blog ;0
[04:41] <Hobbsee> no, wait, was osnews
[04:41] <Jucato> hahah
[04:41] <ScottK> Which reminds me.  I made some really good steak fries for dinner last night.  I think I'll heat the leftovers for a snack.
[04:42] <n8k99> i didn't actully meet this reporter, just answered some email
[04:42] <Jucato> rawr!!! you guys are making me hungry :(
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Katsup?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Not a bad K app :)
 aseigo * r723203 workspace/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/containments/desktop/desktop.cpp: engine explorer, thanks to Jucato for noticing
[04:43] <Jucato> hahah! :)
[04:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you in the -commits channel?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:44] <Jucato> too much traffic.... I'll be spending my whole day watching lines go by
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Powercut
[05:01] <Jucato> "Eckenrode is a member of the Ubuntu New York Local Community Team (NyLoCo), and "self-appointed community representative" who organizes group get-togethers and, most recently, a free CD handout in a New York City park."
[05:02] <Jucato> n8k99 is a sacr
[05:02] <Jucato> sacrfl? :)
[05:02] <n8k99> haha
[05:03] <n8k99> there was one time I went to the UN as the Ambassador from Kubuntu
[05:03] <Jucato> saafkfl
[05:04] <n8k99> i just wanted to make it clear that nobody told me that i could or could not go there as a representative
[05:04] <n8k99> so i used self-appointed
[05:04] <Jucato> hence the "sa" :)
[05:04] <Jucato> :)
[05:07] <n8k99> hehe
[05:08] <nixternal> dude, my client/server address book rocks...it has more try/catches than there are people in the world :p
[05:10] <Jucato> konvert to kute/kde and kombine with kontact
[05:11] <DaSkreech> kuickly!
[05:11] <Jucato> korrekt
[05:13] <DaSkreech> krap
[05:13] <DaSkreech> kan't kome up with another kreation :-(
[05:14] <n8k99> keep trying you'll be kompletely kool when you sukkeed
[05:15] <ScottK> kwit.
[05:16] <n8k99> ok
[05:16] <DaSkreech> kk
[05:21] <Jucato> hahah! :)
[05:24] <Jucato> if it's kmail, why wonder? :)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> no, i'ts not kmail
[05:25] <Hobbsee> it's filterside spamming, and now i have to rework my sieve rule
[05:26] <Hobbsee> (the rotters have decided to pick off mails from the mailing list - and then, apparently, send it thru fiordland.
[05:27] <Jucato> aaah
[05:27] <Hobbsee> which hits the "you're in my addressbook.  whitelist" section, so it all gets marked
[05:28] <Hobbsee> what i'm wondering is how it seems to get thru fiordland at all.
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Great
[05:32] <DaSkreech> another dead Ubuntu project
[05:35] <Jucato> what?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Home server
[05:36] <Jucato> ah
[05:36] <DaSkreech>  which I thought was a dumb idea at the start anyway
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Networked shadow copy my buttcheeks
[05:47] <DaSkreech> n8k99: What about hospitals?
[05:49] <n8k99> DaSkreech: i like those too
[05:49] <DaSkreech> I was looking into open source for Hospitals the other day
[05:49] <DaSkreech>  most people point out hospitals as place where open source should not tread
[05:49] <n8k99> why do they say that?
[05:50] <DaSkreech> I was wondering if you had glanced in their direction
[05:50] <n8k99> so that the data from hospitals can be owned by someone elses
[05:50] <n8k99> frankly, i haven't look at hospitals much
[05:51] <n8k99> i have seen taht Google has a Health plan
[05:51] <n8k99> but haven't personally pursued that path
[05:52] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[05:52] <DaSkreech> I do't care about data I'm talking about programs inside the hospital
[05:52] <n8k99> of course-
[05:53] <n8k99> but some of that will definately invovle hardware manufacturers
[05:53] <DaSkreech> I guess it's the thoughts of many fingers in your loved ones life systems
[05:53] <n8k99> there are specialized pieces of equipement which are run via software
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Someone was showing me pics of hospital software on the market
[05:54] <DaSkreech>  they were designed for windows3.1 and 95 and really haven't been updated except to run on newer platforms
[05:54] <n8k99> not many geeks can get their hands on Ultrasound machines to write new drivers for the wand
[05:55] <n8k99> unless they work with or for the manufacturers
[05:55] <DaSkreech> would a foundation be able to?
[05:55] <n8k99> that could be a possibility- especially through establishing a relationship with the hardware producer
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Are hardware producers fussy about the specs of the machine being known?
[05:56] <DaSkreech>  I would think in health care they would want them more known
[05:56] <n8k99> well, not particularly familiar with the ins and outs
[05:57] <n8k99> but it seems that is video card manufactorers are just not getting around to being more open
[05:57] <n8k99> much more specialized equipment would follow the proprietary path more thoroughly
[05:57] <n8k99> but that is all opinion based upon supposition
[05:59] <DaSkreech> n8k99: Yeah well they will get sued if they talk about it. I think that medical equipment would get sued if they dont
[05:59] <n8k99> interesting
[05:59] <DaSkreech> At least I hope they would That only makes sense in my head
[06:00] <DaSkreech> The first they is video card makers :)
[06:00] <n8k99> well not everyone thinks like we do
[06:00] <DaSkreech> No I'm thinking like a lawyer now
[06:01] <DaSkreech> I'm sure I can convince a panel of people that the machine they get hooked up to one day will at least be understood by the doctor and hospital staff so that if something goes wrong they won't have to wait till they fly in a specialist
[06:02] <DaSkreech> plus hospital equipment is not very black boxish where you put things in one end and something comes out the other end
[06:02] <n8k99> just make sure that that panel is the purchassing committee
[06:03] <DaSkreech> The mechanics of what happens has to be known in case it would affect a patient allergic to pottasium or would go into shock with too much calcium
[06:03] <n8k99> i think some people have argued tha tdoctors need to know how patients work , not computers
[06:04] <n8k99> there are lots of techs who handle teh testing equipment
[06:04] <n8k99> doctors don't handle any of that sort of equipment
[06:04] <DaSkreech> n8k99: Right but the people buying and maintaining the computers caring for the people will have to know
[06:04] <DaSkreech>  which means the specs will be there
[06:05] <DaSkreech> in any case I'm getting off topic for hospitals
[06:05] <DaSkreech>  I'm not really talking about specialized firmware for a themometer
[06:05] <DaSkreech> I'm talking more about hospital/patient/drug management software
[06:06] <DaSkreech>  the ones I have seen are horrible at best
[06:06] <n8k99> right- patient information data, presention software and databases
[06:06] <DaSkreech>  Opensoure really focuses on the enduser
[06:06] <DaSkreech> So I would think that it's a good fit but people are really afraid of it since lives hang in the balnace
[06:08] <n8k99> that would be in interesting study actually
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Yes it would but there is no way anything first world will make a move towards it
[06:09] <DaSkreech> they think like lawyers as well
[06:09] <n8k99> i'm not so sure about that sentiment
[06:10] <n8k99> i mean, it seems as if ther is a tide of movement in the general direction of greater acceptance
[06:10] <DaSkreech> well they are using software from windows 3.1 cause it works
[06:11] <n8k99> it seems to me that national medical care needs an overhaul period
[06:11] <n8k99> this could also be a part of the overall package
[06:12] <n8k99> particularly if an open Standard for health records is created
[06:12] <n8k99> so that vendors are not the main part of teh issues any more
[06:13] <manchicken> Until folks start moving away from Windows, I don't want an open standard.
[06:13] <manchicken> Seriously.
[06:14] <n8k99> doesnt seem like it'll be an easy egg to crack
[06:15] <manchicken> Then at the very least there needs to be a SERIOUS overhaul in security practices.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> n8k99: Third world would actually be a better place to start
[06:16] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Good call.  It's much easier to innovate where there's not a status quo to oppose new thinking.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> And cost is at a premium
[06:17] <n8k99> except that the 3rd world will think that 1st world is just trying to scrape crumbs off the table
[06:17] <manchicken> Well, status quo opposition is why we're having so much trouble with things like electric autos and such.
[06:17] <n8k99> not giving them the same thing that they are getting for themselves
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Depending on how bad the country is the cost of clutching at a new straw may be very cheap
[06:18] <DaSkreech> n8k99: again. If that's the mindset that's not where you want to start
[06:18] <DaSkreech> so countries like India would be a second stop
[06:19] <n8k99> well, that is why i have been going to the UN
[06:19] <n8k99> to make it so that African nations which are trying to skip the analogy networking and get digital
[06:19] <n8k99> will find it not so distasteful to accepta superior technical solution that would give them an advantage
[06:20] <n8k99> they do not see it easily-
[06:21] <n8k99> it is a lot of work to actually move official opinions
[06:21] <n8k99> and i feel like I am just a volunteer lobbyist
[06:21] <manchicken> Good.
[06:21] <manchicken> That means you're not a corrupt a-hole :)
[06:22] <manchicken> Professional lobbyists just buy their official opinions :)
[06:22] <n8k99> yes, they do
[06:24] <n8k99> i'd actually like it more if i had several documents about nontech businesses who use FOSS to take with me
[06:25] <n8k99> i have heard some rumors but nothing that is substanciated
[06:25] <n8k99> yet
[06:29] <DaSkreech> n8k99: What kind of businesses
[06:29] <DaSkreech>  The JAD is moving to Linux here
[06:30] <n8k99> some small to medium sized ones
[06:30] <n8k99> JAD?
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Jamaica Association for the Deaf
[06:31] <n8k99> is that Jamaica the island nation or the neighborhood in Queens
[06:32] <n8k99> and my daughter goes to Jamaican Daycare
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Jah Know?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Roughneck mon raspec!
[06:33] <n8k99> ha!
[06:34] <n8k99> what size of installation is JAD considering?
[06:34] <n8k99> is it on current equipment?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> currently 12 computers
[06:34] <DaSkreech> yes
[06:35] <DaSkreech> with another possible 11 in the future
[06:35] <DaSkreech> there is a lot of specialzed software we are trying to work around
[06:36] <n8k99> so you work there?
[06:36] <n8k99> or are part of the process of switching over?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Process of switching over
[06:37] <n8k99> would you mind sending me an email writing up the whole thing?
[06:38] <n8k99> and any issues or experiences which you may feel are worth sharing
[06:40] <n8k99> $My_IRC_Nick at newyork-ubuntu.com
[06:41] <n8k99> That would totally rock! Ja heard
[06:47] <DaSkreech> n8k99: As long as you don't mind gregarious misuses of virtual machines and windows licenses :)
[06:48] <n8k99> if i can give a nice summary of what you are doing
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Ha ha Okie :) t
[06:48] <n8k99> then it will be helpful to add to teh points in the roundtable discussion
[06:48] <DaSkreech> they just want to sidestep Windows fees in the long term and not have krap krash all the time
[06:49] <n8k99> DiBono from Goolge will be there so there is a rep for Large Enterprises
[06:49] <DaSkreech> but We are getting a lot of clients who want to move wholesale to Linux here
[06:49] <n8k99> the UN wants to hear some small to medium business voices as well
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Well yeah large enterprises can move to anything once they have a will
[06:49] <n8k99> right that's why it more important to hear about the little fishes than the whales
[06:56] <DaSkreech> n8k99: If you can ask the big whales about hospitals and see if stallman etc have heard any whispers
[06:56] <n8k99> i will do that for you
[06:56] <DaSkreech> But I'm sure I could give you quite a few 3-5 computer business migration success stories
[06:56] <n8k99> i don't think stallman is coming this time
[06:57] <DaSkreech> once you start hitting like 10 or so it gets dicey
[06:57] <n8k99> the web cast is not in a free format so he refuses teh invites
[06:58] <DaSkreech> the JAD thing is going to be rough cause they have a good deal of testing equipment and software that only works with Windows so we are going to have put windows in a Vm and run it from there
[06:58] <DaSkreech> n8k99: can' you offer to have a free alternative one?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> In the spirit of the discussion it would only make sense
[06:58] <n8k99> that is something from the offices of UNITAR who run the seminars
[06:58] <DaSkreech> and that could ease the Stallman hubris a bit
[06:59] <n8k99> that's exactly what i meant about the breadcrumbs earlier!!!
[06:59] <n8k99> "first world doesn't use it, not even the UN uses it, so why should we?"
[06:59] <DaSkreech> I don't get how allowing you to do your thing the way you want to do it is breadcrumbs
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:59] <n8k99> ^^^^
[06:59] <DaSkreech> In general not in this situation
[07:00] <n8k99> exactly
[07:00] <DaSkreech> What does the UN use?
[07:00] <n8k99> wma and quicktime movies i believe
[07:00] <n8k99> maybe even avi, but definately not ogg
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Ha ha Well it's not real which is good
[07:00] <Jucato> if only there were more online videos in ogg...
[07:01] <Jucato> we could market mplayer/open source video players + ogg
[07:01] <Jucato> but darn you Flash!!
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I've found that most Windows players can play vorbis but not theora
[07:01] <DaSkreech> I have hopes that Flash will be a standard soon
[07:01] <DaSkreech> well "soon"
[07:02] <Jucato> hopefully there will be other Flash "IDE's"...
[07:02] <Jucato> hm.. isn't Flash already semi-standard?
[07:03] <n8k99> it is a standard of sorts, however it is controlled by a single entity, its creator
[07:03] <n8k99> so everybody that uses it is at Adobe's whim
[07:03] <Jucato> isn't PDF that way too?
[07:04] <n8k99> yup
[07:04] <Jucato> oh well...
[07:04] <n8k99> its a standard based upon its ubiquity
[07:04] <Jucato> just like .doc
[07:05] <n8k99> saddly
[07:05] <DaSkreech> n8k99: not really PDF is published
[07:05] <n8k99> oh, good, I love when I am wrong!
[07:05] <Jucato> hm... I think PDF is ISO in fact
[07:05] <n8k99> YAY!!!
[07:05] <Jucato> iirc
[07:05] <Jucato> but not sure
[07:05] <n8k99> more n8k99 wrongness!!
[07:06] <n8k99> but that still doesn't make it an Open standard
[07:06] <DaSkreech> No it doesn't
[07:06] <manchicke1> You all think I'm being logical in thinking that I could increase the amount of wireless bandwidth if I just add another wireless router to my network?
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Which is why I said Flash will be a standard
[07:06] <DaSkreech>  I purposely did not say open standard
[07:07] <DaSkreech>  but at least then you can make a full fledged editor and player with out legal risks or pain
[07:07] <Jucato> http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=38920
[07:07] <n8k99> right- that would be important
[07:07] <DaSkreech> manchicke1: Is it a N router?
[07:07] <manchicke1> ABG
[07:08] <DaSkreech> No you'll just up the amount of collisions I suspect
[07:08] <manchicke1> I was thinking of just getting another wireless router and running that through my current wireless router using another channel.
[07:08] <n8k99> manchicke1: wouldn't taht just add more users to the same pipe taht is coming into the network?
[07:08] <manchicke1> I think that this linksys is just having a hard time handling so many nodes.
[07:09] <manchicke1> I've got two laptops, one wireless-to-ethernet adapter, two mobile phones, and sporadically a Nintendo Wii, all on the same wireless router.
[07:10] <n8k99> shouldn't that router be able to handle the load for up to 50 nodes?
[07:10] <manchicke1> I don't know.
[07:10] <manchicke1> Maybe it's just this router having technical problems.
[07:11] <manchicke1> I was kinda hoping that there was a linksys router that had better range than this WRT54g.
[07:11] <n8k99> my mac mini can broadcast Wifi for up to 10 nodes
[07:11] <n8k99> adding another router to a different end of the physical space could help with that
[07:12] <manchicke1> Yeah, but I don't use that nonsense here :)
[07:12] <n8k99> or just a repeater
[07:12] <manchicke1> (the mac mini that is)
[07:12] <n8k99> :P
[07:13] <n8k99> i bought it when i didnt know any better
[07:13] <manchicke1> And soon, this Vista machine will be out of my house.  Thank God.
[07:13] <n8k99> haha
[07:13] <DaSkreech> manchicke1: What are your impressions of it?
[07:13] <manchicke1> Of Vista?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> yes
[07:14] <manchicke1> It's rubbish.
[07:14] <manchicke1> I'm damn-near useless under Vista.
[07:15] <manchicke1> It doesn't even have a proper terminal program or SSH connectivity.
[07:15] <DaSkreech> telnet ?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> manchicke1: putty doesnt work on vista?
[07:16] <manchicke1> WTF is mimo?
[07:17] <manchicke1> Hobbsee: Why should I need a separate program to do what every other operating system does without something fancy?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> manchicke1: because it's windows, and windows sucks.
[07:17] <Hobbsee> manchicke1: why are you on vista anyway?  did you take over nixternal's role?
[07:18] <Jucato> nah, anyone can use vista.but only nixternal loves it :)
[07:18] <manchicke1> No, my employer provided me with a Vista machine a while ago for testing.  I've only used it for IE7 until my laptop went into the shop.
[07:18] <manchicke1> Now I have to use this machine.
[07:19] <DaSkreech> manchicke1: There is only two other operating systems and one of them doesn't come with any form of SSH so Nyah ;-P
[07:19] <manchicke1> DaSkreech: Really?  I thought there were several others.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Nope
[07:20] <manchicke1> GNU/Linux, BSD, Solaris, OSX, OSN, various experimental OS' (HaikuOS, ReactOS), then there's GNU/Darwin, etc.
[07:20] <DaSkreech>  UNIX and symbian
[07:20] <DaSkreech> All UNix
[07:20] <manchicke1> ReactOS is a WinXP clone.
[07:20] <manchicke1> HaikuOS is a BeOS clone.
[07:21] <DaSkreech> except Haiku which has just got a networking stack so good luck finding a SSH client
[07:21] <nixternal> quit talking bad about me...I am going to cry :"(
[07:21] <DaSkreech> I know Haiku I keep trying to get it on Distrowatch
[07:21] <manchicke1> And then there's always VMS.
[07:21] <DaSkreech>  I'm not sure it fits but Meh
[07:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You love it
[07:21] <manchicke1> But I can't afford their hardware.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> !nixternal | nixternal
[07:21] <ubotu> nixternal: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:22] <nixternal> thanks Hobbsee, I think the one highlight would have been enough :p
[07:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:22] <nixternal> jeesh, after a few thousand lines of code, my client/server address book is almost complete
[07:22] <manchicke1> Has anybody used the Netgear RangeMax wireless router?
[07:22] <nixternal> my neighbor uses that
[07:22] <Jucato> nixternal: kongrats
[07:23] <nixternal> and I can connect to him without any problems :)
[07:23] <nixternal> I tend to connect to him better than I do my wrt poopy router
[07:23] <Jucato> that just sounds... weird....
[07:24] <manchicke1> What one do you have?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[07:26] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Ha ha now we don't have to alert him
[08:22] <Tm_T> moin \sh
[08:23] <\sh> moins
[09:04] <AstralJava> G'morning everyone. :) Just thought I'd ask whether anyone could point me to the right direction; I set up the env variables according to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php, then tried to run knode, but I get an error message:
[09:04] <AstralJava> /usr/lib/kde4/bin/knode: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdepim.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZTI18KStaticDeleterBase
[09:04] <Tm_T> hum
[09:04] <AstralJava> Since I'm totally newbie when it comes to KDE-anything, I have no clue on what to do now. :)
[09:04] <AstralJava> I checked that that file exists.
[09:05] <AstralJava> jaska@bowmore:~$ ll /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdepim.so.4
[09:05] <AstralJava> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-10-09 09:16 /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdepim.so.4 -> libkdepim.so.4.0.0
[09:05] <AstralJava> ...or rather, a symlink.
[09:05] <Tm_T> !fi
[09:05] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[09:06] <AstralJava> :)
[09:07] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: Any reason why you are running Beta 1?
[09:09] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Just out of curiosity. :) I'm more of a gnome man, but wanted to check out what ver.4 has to offer, considering some sort of a switch maybe. :) Now's your spot to shine and sell it to me. :)
[09:09] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: Ok I have a bridge in san franciso I'd like off my hands
[09:10] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: What have you heard/been lied to about and I'll embellish it/lie some more
[09:10] <AstralJava> Hmm.... maybe I missed something, just installed what was in the repository, and had "kde4*" in the package name. :)
[09:11] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: if you pop into #kubuntu the link for Beta 2 is in the topic.
[09:11] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Alright, will do.
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Again BEta 3 is a few days away and from what I'm hearing may be the first one really worth looking without a dev's eyes
[09:12] <DaSkreech> nixternal: grrrr
[09:50] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[09:51] <Riddell> hi davmor2
[09:52] <davmor2> Riddell:  bug 127008 is still prevalent in kubuntu :(  I did a netboot install last night
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127008 in xresprobe "Alternate install of Tribe-4 corrupts video display when installing packages (affected hardware includes Santa Rosa)" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127008
[09:53] <davmor2> Basically boils down to nasty fonts/gui sizes will screenshot it and add it to the bug latter
[09:53] <davmor2> It is mostly fixed in ubuntu
[09:54] <Riddell> davmor2: there shouldn't be any difference between kubuntu and ubuntu for X setup
[09:55] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll do the screenshot and then you'll be able to see.
[09:56] <Riddell> I doubt it'll help it get fixed :)
[09:56] <Riddell> davmor2: you're in wolverhampton?
[09:57] <davmor2> yes
[09:57] <davmor2> Why are you aswell?
[09:58] <Riddell> nearby
[09:58] <Riddell> wolveslug tomorrow at my local I note
[09:58] <Tm_T> davmor2: Riddell is always nearby when you're wearing a kilt
[09:58] <davmor2> So will you be there?
[10:03] <Riddell> should be
[10:04] <davmor2> cool
[10:17] <davmor2> Riddell: I couldn't use screenshot so I have taken some photos and linked to them on that bug.
[10:22] <Riddell> davmor2: does it still happen on any other install method?
[10:22] <Riddell> Lure_: new kdepim uploaded, probably not approved until after RC
[10:23] <davmor2> Riddell: I've only just started the downloads of the latest builds to test so won't know till later :)
[10:40] <Riddell> davmor2: these won't be the final CDs it seems
[10:41] <Riddell> although still worth testing for bugs and your X issue if you have the time
[10:41] <Riddell> Lure_: kdepim in
[10:41] <Lure_> Riddell: nice; btw it is working fine here (no regression)
[10:42] <davmor2> Riddell:  Why what needs to be added?
[10:44] <Riddell> davmor2: new linux build, although that's mostly a sparc issue so infact these may be final depending on how long that takes
[11:01] <davmor2> Riddell:  just booted up the live cd and it is identical I am even missing the ut off about
[11:02] <davmor2> and netboot is effectively an alt install
[11:07] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll bring my laptop with me tomorrow :)
[11:10] <Riddell> davmor2: do you know if your problem still exists in ubuntu?
[11:11] <davmor2> I think the large font at login does but once your into ubuntu it is fixed.  Resolution is correct and fonts too.
[11:17] <Riddell> nixternal: story for the dot should you fancy it http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=1596080362&rid=-50
[11:18] <davmor2> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/14778/1090/  you might want to read this if you haven't already :)
[11:22] <Riddell> davmor2: it sounds like it's detecting stupidly large DPI
[11:22] <Riddell> ubuntu uses a fixed DPI setting so that gets fixed at login, kubuntu rounds your DPI to something better so it doesn't get fixed
[11:23] <davmor2> Well if I could use the screen to find the dpi I could tell you :)
[11:26] <Riddell> anyway, it's still a bug in ubuntu even if it only affects GDM
[11:26] <davmor2> Riddell: How do I find the dpi in Kubuntu?
[11:26] <Riddell> davmor2: not honestly sure
[11:27] <Riddell> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[11:27] <davmor2> If I change to "i810" everything works which is what I find so disturbing :)
[11:28] <Riddell> that might be useful for the bug report
[11:29] <davmor2> already in there on my work around that I did for the iso bug report which got linked into 127008
[11:33] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 134284 was my original
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134284 in discover-data "The X intel driver is not functioning correctly (dup-of: 127008)" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134284
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127008 in xresprobe "Alternate install of Tribe-4 corrupts video display when installing packages (affected hardware includes Santa Rosa)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127008
[01:23] <mhb> _StefanS_: you wanted me?
[01:29] <mhb> _StefanS_: I won't be here much longer, sorry :o(
[01:41] <_StefanS_> mhb: well cant remember
[02:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Is today your archive day?
[02:15] <Riddell> I suppose it is
[02:15] <Riddell> but we're frozen, so I can't do everything
[02:15] <ScottK> Right.  We've got a sync needs doing.
[02:15] <Riddell> ScottK: beastie number?
[02:15] <ScottK> Looking...
[02:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug #150751
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150751 in libcommons-modeler-java "[gutsy]  UVFe for libcommons-modeler-java 2.0.1-3" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150751
[02:16] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh yep.. Could we rename GDebi Package Installer to just Package Installer ?
[02:17] <_StefanS_> mhb: dont see why we want GDebi in the name as its kinda confusing.. dont know what GDebi is ?
[02:17] <Riddell> too late (string freeze)
[02:17] <_StefanS_> mhb: suppose its something with the integration which the package installer is based, but thats not important to the users :)
[02:17] <_StefanS_> ah well
[02:18] <Jucato> hardy hardy hardy :)
[02:18] <_StefanS_> would be nice to have the brightness issues fixed for fn+home/end on thinkpads.. dont know who broke it
[02:18] <_StefanS_> it worked previously in tribe5
[02:19] <_StefanS_> happy hippo
[02:19] <Riddell> it's a change on policy that we havn't managed to update kmilo for
[02:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thinkpad buttons?
[02:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: funny thing is that all acpi seem to be called correctly for the trigger scripts, but it doesnt adjust it..
[02:20] <Riddell> linux now expects a user space app to handle it
[02:21] <Riddell> yes, it need kmilo to do somethnig
[02:21] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[02:21] <Riddell> not entirely sure what though
[02:21] <_StefanS_> hehe now my thinkpad button opens the system settings twice on one click
[02:22] <_StefanS_> what the heck happended
[02:22] <_StefanS_> oh seems like thinkpad-keys dont need to be loaded anymore
[02:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: because of kmilo?
[02:26] <Riddell> what because?
[02:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the sync.
[02:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I had both kmilo and thinkpad-keys to do the hotkey work
[02:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: stopping thinkpad-keys made it launch only one instance
[02:59] <Lure_> Riddell: is bug 146730 to be milestoned?
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146730 in kde-guidance "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: 11: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: not found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146730
[03:05] <Lure_> Riddell: is there still time to backport some bugfixes to digikam from 0.9.3 beta1?
[03:05] <Lure_> Riddell: i.e. what is the chance to get accepted?
[03:06] <Riddell> Lure_: should be time yes
[03:06] <Riddell> if they're not too large
[03:06] <Riddell> does that guidance bug actually cause problems?
[03:06] <Lure_> Riddell: allee and me have mail from gilles about potential backport fixes for month, but nobody had time to work on it
[03:07] <Lure_> Riddell: not sure, it just may get negative visibility towards kubuntu... ;-)
[03:07] <Lure_> Riddell: I will spend some time on kde-guidance & digikam bugs to see if something an be pushed in
[04:27] <allee> Lure_: thx for keeping it in mind.  My pkging/bugfixing time is zero lately :(
[04:27] <Lure_> allee: yep, I am between vacation and business travel all the time
[04:28] <Lure_> allee: I hope I can do this today/tommorow, before I leave for US
[04:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you sync from Debian Incoming?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> (see -motu)
[04:43] <Riddell> not me personally, but others can
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, are there 2 lots of sync rights?
[04:44] <Riddell> no
[04:44] <Riddell> just 2 levels of eliteness :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, i thought you were fully elite when you had ssh access.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> that's what the docs say, it seems.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> er, more the "what will be docs" i guess
[04:46] <Riddell> I don't know how to do it anyway
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:48] <Riddell> actually, maybe I do
[04:51] <bddebian> heya
[04:51] <Lure_> Riddell: btw, strigi is not crashing on me anymore...
[04:52] <Riddell> Lure_: yay, that'll be the new version
[04:52] <Lure_> Riddell: is apport crash handling already disabled for release?
[04:52] <Riddell> turn off apport :)
[04:52] <Riddell> yes, that's on my todo list
[04:53] <Lure_> Riddell: I am more thinking of exisitng reports - just ask them to tray latest version?
[04:53] <Lure_> try even
[04:54] <Riddell> guess so
[05:04] <nixternal> Riddell: I will take a look at that story in a bit if it hasn't been done already...
[05:06] <Riddell> nixternal: thanks, it hasn't
[05:13] <davmor2> I have just been trying an upgrade on a real machine and it dies a death.  However looking through the log files there aren't any.  /var/log/dist-upgrade/ is empty and /etc/apt/sources.list is not changed.  What should of happened and where would it be logged?
[05:15] <Riddell> davmor2: upgrade with the dist upgrade tool?
[05:16] <davmor2> sorry dist-upgrade using kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[05:16] <davmor2> that was after updating feisty first
[05:17] <Riddell> davmor2: what version of konsole do you have installed?
[05:20] <davmor2> didn't use Konsole I used the run command
[05:21] <davmor2> but it is 1.1.6
[05:22] <Riddell> apt-cache policy konsole
[05:22] <Riddell> the dist upgrade tool uses konsole
[05:22] <davmor2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52  tells you not to
[05:23] <Riddell> it uses konsole, even if you don't
[05:23] <Riddell> please tell me the output of  apt-cache policy konsole | grep Ins
[05:25] <davmor2> 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.4
[05:27] <Riddell> davmor2: ok, try 20.7 from feisty-proposed
[05:27] <Riddell> davmor2: do you know what stage the upgrade got to?
[05:27] <Riddell> did adept close and the dist upgrade tool start?
[05:31] <davmor2> Riddell: I clicked on the upgrade version button in adept a new window appeared and it says something like can not verify the upgrader integrity (or something similar) ref bug150878 and read stgraber's results.  I was asked to confirm.
[05:33] <Riddell> davmor2: ok, try installing konsole from feisty-proposed and running it again
[05:34] <Riddell> nixternal: how would you fancy helping update the winfoss?  it needs updated about Kubuntu text and gutsy screenshots
[05:35] <davmor2> Riddell: is that pre-released updates?
[05:36] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[05:36] <davmor2> cool will do
[05:39] <nixternal> Riddell: story added!
[05:40] <nixternal> Riddell: I can work on that today...winfoss that is...
[05:40] <nixternal> what is the source for winfoss?
[05:40] <nixternal> err, package name rather
[05:41] <Riddell> nixternal: well there isn't one, it's for Windows
[05:42] <Riddell> nixternal: do you have windows to hand so you can see what's needed?
[05:42] <nixternal> Riddell: the Dot list, when it sends the messages about needing moderation, how do those get approved?
[05:42] <nixternal> Riddell: yes I do :)
[05:42] <nixternal> Vista at that :p
[05:43] <nixternal> hrmm, so I need to get the WinFOSS source and update it that way then..I guess..I will have to take a look at it when I get home
[05:43] <Riddell> nixternal: slap in a live CD and let it run the start.exe app, it needs new screenshots and improved text as I say
[05:43] <Riddell> nixternal: no, just give the screenshots and text to heno
[05:43] <Riddell> he'll do the complex work
[05:43] <nixternal> oh, OK
[05:43] <nixternal> well that is easy then
[05:44] <Riddell> I note the text currently links to horribly outdated docs on kubuntu.org
[05:44] <Riddell> it would be also be nice for it to have a description of how to boot from the CD (although that's hard to do exactly)
[05:45] <Riddell> nixternal: stories get approved by an editor with access to the web interface (like me), hopefully we can ask for you to get access soon
[05:45] <nixternal> ya, we need to update the kubuntu.org docs page...I will work on that once I do the translations and get the last package complete
[05:45] <Riddell> the docs should probably be on docs.ubuntu.com
[05:45] <nixternal> oh, I am not worried about access just yet, still learning the ropes...I was wondering the reason for the Dot ML, as there is nothing I could do with it
[05:46] <Riddell> or help.ubuntu.com rather
[05:46] <nixternal> umm ya, they removed Kubuntu stuff from help.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <Riddell> nixternal: the idea is you can comment on stuff that other people submit, but sure it's not very active
[05:46] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[05:46] <Riddell> they did, any idea why?
[05:47] <nixternal> because we are Kubuntu and not Ubuntu and they say people were confused
[05:47] <nixternal> it has been that way now since Edgy I believe
[05:47] <Riddell> right, nice to know we're welcome then
[05:47] <nixternal> I know you are not just now noticing that :)
[05:48] <Riddell> I've just never got round to asking, assumed it was a mistake
[05:48] <nixternal> the idea was for us to host Kubuntu docs on kubuntu.org
[05:48] <nixternal> and then have the translated stuff hosted on loco team sites
[05:50] <nixternal> we need a plan of attack for KDE 4...we need to put out the most rocking KDE 4 distro, and I think you will see a huge switch towards Kubuntu being recognized and welcomed more than we currently are
[05:51] <nixternal> I noticed that during my talk this weekend at UIC, every Gnome user and enthusiast is waiting for a rockin' KDE 4 so they can switch
[05:51] <manchicke2> Isn't everybody?
[05:51] <nixternal> I think everyone at that talk started doing SVN checkouts to build out KDE 4
[05:51] <nixternal> manchicke2: so it seems
[05:51] <Riddell> wow, that's keen :)
[05:52] <Riddell> currently though KDE 4 isn't much of an advert for KDE
[05:52] <Riddell> reminds me, volunteer needed to work on KDE 4 beta 3 packages
[05:52] <nixternal> not yet, and thankfully the talk, which was geared toward newbs, was improvised and turned into a talk from a somewhat dev standpoint...and people were really interested
[05:53] <nixternal> actually, one of the guys I believe has been helping with some Kopete bugs now
[05:53] <nixternal> Riddell: I still have access to ftp, so I can help out as always
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how are our 3.5.8 packages going?
[05:53] <manchicke2> Hopefully someone is working on fixing up the SMS port :)
[05:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee: !#!!!! howdy :)
[05:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not too bad it seems https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[05:53] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[05:53] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[05:53] <Hobbsee> !
[05:53] <nixternal> gahaha
[05:53] <manchicke2> I did that SMS port, but when I left it it was nothing more than compiling and linking.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice!
[05:54] <nixternal> my final project for my Java class, is to create a cross-platform java app of my liking, and I want to do it with Qt
[05:55] <manchicke2> Jambi is already being used, IIRC.
[05:55] <Riddell> nixternal: when icedtea gets in it seems
[05:55] <Riddell> nixternal: I have sources which you can compile yourself fine though, it just doesn't work in the buildds
[05:55] <nixternal> iced tea? that is a new one
[05:55] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:55] <Riddell> icedtea is free sun java with not-yet free bits removed
[05:56] <nixternal> lovely
[05:56] <manchicke2> Ah.
[05:56] <nixternal> Sun is starting to become a thorn in my side
[05:56] <Jucato> why?
[05:57] <nixternal> icedtea is free sun java with not-yet free bits removed
[05:57] <nixternal> brb...break time!
[05:57] <Jucato> ...
[05:58] <davmor2> Riddell: Seems to be working now :)
[05:58] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent, how far has it got?
[05:58] <davmor2> 2 of 848
[05:58] <davmor2> 1% now :)
[05:59] <davmor2> but it has got passed the bit where it died before :)
[06:00] <davmor2> I'll let you know if it works properly when it finishes :)
[06:21] <Riddell> nixternal: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/jambi/
[06:21] <Riddell> let me know if you build i386 packages, I can put them up too
[06:23] <nixternal> OK. I will see what I can do tonight with them
[06:26] <sebas> What is the good way to dist-upgrade to Gutsy?
[06:26] <sebas> Someone told me once that I should stop hacking my sources.list
[06:26] <sebas> That was you Mr Riddell :-)
[06:27] <Riddell> sebas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[06:28] <Riddell> and let me know if it works
[06:28] <Riddell> follow them closely mind
[06:28] <sebas> Riddell: Ok.
[07:19] <DaSkreech> manchicke2: Whats with you?
[07:20] <manchicke2> What's not with me?
[07:20] <Tm_T> manchicke2: I'm not with you
[07:20] <manchicke2> My machine is in the shop.
[07:20] <manchicke2> Tm_T: That's what you think.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> manchicke2:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZDsZVHhMVM
[07:20] <ScottK> So that's not with you either.
[07:21] <Tm_T> manchicke2: ssshhh, dont tell it to others
[07:22] <DaSkreech> manchicke2: Have fun
[07:23] <manchicke2> DaSkreech: I'm not sure that this is anywhere near real.
[07:23] <DaSkreech> But it is Humourus
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Bah
[07:24] <manchicke2> LMAO!  He made a satellite dish.
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Thought you'd like that part
[07:27] <davmor2> Riddell: just doing the reboot :)
[07:30] <davmor2> it's works and I don't get the graphics issues which probably means it is using "i810"
[07:30] <davmor2> gotto go ttyl
[07:55] <_StefanS_> evening
[07:59] <Riddell> davmor2: it worked?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Think he's gone
[08:01] <Riddell> that's about the first successful upgrade I've heard of
[08:07] <Riddell> manchicke2: what the heck is that thread on kubuntu-users?
[08:07] <manchicke2> Riddell: No idea.  Looks like possibly virus spam.
[08:08] <manchicke2> I'd test it out, but my machine is in the shop.
[08:09] <manchicke2> I just figured that instead of getting all mad at it, I'd make a bit of a joke.
[08:10] <nosrednaekim> manchicke2: your system76?
[08:10] <manchicke2> Yeah.
[08:10] <manchicke2> The backlight went out.
[08:10] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[08:10] <manchicke2> I think it's just a defective inverter.
[08:10] <manchicke2> Warranty repair takes care of the problem.... I'm just without my machine for a while.
[08:11] <nosrednaekim> thats good
[08:11] <manchicke2> Their customer service rocks.  Tom Aaron is a swell guy.
[08:11] <Riddell> and you're now connecting directly to the internet from your brain?
[08:11] <manchicke2> Riddell: No, I'm using *shudder* Vista.
[08:11] <nosrednaekim> manchicke2: wash up good
[08:12] <manchicke2> nosrednaekim: No matter how much I shower, I still feel dirty.
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Mine didn't count :)
[08:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you managed successful upgrades with the dist upgrade tool?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[08:14] <DaSkreech> it crashed twice but I just rebooted and it picked up and finished
[08:14] <DaSkreech> I had one annoyance with evms
[08:16] <manchicke2> So, the eternal question is posed to all: is it "soda" or is it "pop"?
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> its "sodapop"
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[08:17] <manchicke2> Ooh, clever attempt at a copout there.  No such luck.  You're going to have to commit to one or the other!
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Soda
[08:20] <jpatrick> when can we start uploading pkgs again?
[08:40] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ah well, that's not successful then
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> hey... is this true? http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/09/manually-installing-the-latest-firefox-in-kubuntu-a-cleaner-installation/
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> firox pulls in lots of gnome depsndencies?
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> *forfox
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> *firefox, excuse me :)
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Firefox isn't a gnome app
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> no... but according to him, it pulls in gnome dependencies.
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> in gutsy
[08:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not many
[08:58] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do an apt-cache depends firefox and see for yourself
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I just looked at the dependencies.
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> dunno why it was really an issue
[09:03] <nosrednaekim> I do like how gutsy has firefox 3 in the repositories. hence no repeat of the most common request for dapper: firefox 2
[09:05] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: It has alpha FF3 and it won't be updated if FF3 gets updated
[09:05] <DaSkreech> not that great
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> oh..hmm
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> yah.
[09:40] <sebas> Riddell: The update hangs on network-manager-dev
[09:40] <sebas> Show terminal stopped to work
[09:41] <sebas> I.e. I can click the button, but instead of a terminal there is only a grey areaa
[09:42] <sebas> And the abort dialog is unclear, it says "Yes" and "No", but those are ambiguous
[09:42] <sebas> I can't restart adept, the system is I think quite broken now.
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> question, why can't the GUI just call apt-get distupgrade?
[09:44] <Riddell> sebas: merk
[09:45] <sebas> Riddell: Sorry :o
[09:45] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: because that doesn't work