[12:39] <boorje> i have been trying to install kubuntu on an older laptop. it froze when trying to install grub.. i tried several tutorials, but failed at installing grub in konsole. can anyone help? tried this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-7e18706bb1b3e5c3e4d3d8699471ec0e7b4023c4
[12:39] <boorje> not froze but failed
[12:39] <amerikanski> I had windows vista before ubuntu, when I installed ubuntu I left vista installed on my hd and vista seemed to be as alternative os in boot list before loading os but then I also installed xp and it destroyed my beautiful linux boot list, ok then I tried to re-install linux, ok all went well until boot list, when vista seemed to be again in the list but when I chose it xp was booting :/ can anybody explain what happened? Oo
[12:39] <elkang> spimort: where and how? ^ sry long time no irc^
[12:40] <spimort> ok lol
[12:40] <spimort> i will jyust right the line
[12:40] <elkang> hehe k =)
[12:40] <amerikanski> doesn't ubuntu support mulpiple windows versions installed on hd?
[12:40] <spimort> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
[12:40] <spimort> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
[12:41] <boorje> i think my problem may have been that i already had a bootmagic before trying to install kubuntu, and i should have uninstalled bootmagic?
[12:41] <spimort> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[12:41] <amerikanski> elkang can u solve my problem?
[12:41] <spimort>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[12:41] <elkang> and thats ur linux one?
[12:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> amerikanski: chances are when you installed xp, you toasted vista.
[12:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> which isn't a bad thing, but meh
[12:42] <spimort> no... hey i think ist my windows ..lol i was not see im
[12:42] <elkang> lol =)
[12:42] <elkang> nice
[12:42] <amerikanski> now I have xp as booting variant under "vista/longhorn" name
[12:42] <spimort> so wath i am doing after
[12:42] <elkang> ok you got sda1 in the list now right?
[12:43] <elkang> any more? like sda2=
[12:43] <elkang> ?
[12:43] <spimort> wait
[12:43] <amerikanski> ok there seems to be no nerds who can solve my problem :/
[12:43] <superdude2435> im a nerd
[12:43] <elkang> sorry amerikanski vista is something strange^
[12:43] <spimort> yes i think i have
[12:43] <amerikanski> ok but can u help me
[12:44] <amerikanski> no no
[12:44] <amerikanski> I don't mean vista at all
[12:44] <BluesKaj> amerikanski, you vista ,XP and kubuntu installed ?
[12:44] <amerikanski> yes
[12:44] <superdude2435> wow
[12:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> double the masochism
[12:44] <spimort> ... waht i do
[12:44] <elkang> *gg* ok spimort can u figure out which one is your main win partition like where ur data is?
[12:44] <amerikanski> :D
[12:45] <elkang> then just type in console: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[12:45] <spimort> elkang ... do you speak french ... because i have difficulty
[12:45] <elkang> nah sorry only german =/
[12:45] <spimort> lol
[12:45] <amerikanski> and now it revvealed :D
[12:45] <elkang> ^^
[12:45] <spimort> ok i will try
[12:45] <amerikanski> he doesn't speak french xD
[12:46] <spimort> so
[12:46] <BluesKaj> amerikanski, this is the best I could find :http://neosmart.net/blog/2006/easybcd-15-multidual-boot-vista-linux-mac-os-x-bsd/
[12:46] <elkang> then go to your mnt folder and see if your windows-partition is in there =)
[12:47] <spimort> i whrite sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[12:47] <amerikanski> BluesKaj that doesn't help at all
[12:47] <BluesKaj> spimort, there is a french chat #kubuntu-fr
[12:47] <amerikanski> because before xp vista booted well
[12:47] <elkang> does it work spimort?
[12:47] <amerikanski> the problem came when I installed xp
[12:47] <spimort> yes it work ... hourrra ...
[12:47] <spimort> thanks
[12:48] <elkang> whooo nice =)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> BCD 160 is the your best bet , amerikanski
[12:48] <spimort> :)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> check it out on google , amerikanski
[12:48] <amerikanski> already checked :/
[12:49] <amerikanski> yes and...
[12:49] <amerikanski> BluesKaj I'm not suomalainen :)
[12:51] <terrestre>  hi, can someone help me? how i say in english this ".", ";" and ":", point? dot?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> ok, amerikanski Easy BCD 160
[12:51] <b0nza1> anyone else lose compiz on the last update?
[12:52] <elkang> terrestre: i can tell u in german ... lol =) sry^
[12:52] <amerikanski> BluesKaj maybe :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> maybe ?
[12:53] <terrestre> jjaja
[12:53] <hatter> where do i change the default web browser to firefox ?
[12:54] <amerikanski> BluesKaj actually not at all
[12:54] <amerikanski> does not seem to solve
[12:54] <BluesKaj> hatter, in the konsole : sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[12:55] <ScorpKing> at last! i'm done - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DDtoNFS
[12:55] <ScorpKing> :D
[12:56] <BluesKaj> amerikanski, your situation is rather unique ..suggest you search around on google-linux for some answers'
[12:56] <elkang> hatter: or k-menu -> system settings -> default applications
[12:57] <ScorpKing> amerikanski: maybe the guys in #linux can help.
[12:57] <amerikanski> have to try thank you
[12:58] <amerikanski> thank for helping
[12:58] <ScorpKing> np.
[12:59] <ScorpKing> amerikanski: doesn't vista and xp load from the same mbr?
[12:59] <ScorpKing> vista has it's own boot manager i think.
[12:59] <amerikanski> you mean same part of hd Oo ??
[12:59] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:59] <amerikanski> of course not!!
[12:59] <ScorpKing> hehe
[01:00] <amerikanski> they have own parts
[01:00] <amerikanski> I am not suicider to install them at the same part :D
[01:00] <ScorpKing> i don't use M$ anymore. just read about the vista boot manager somewhere. lol
[01:01] <amerikanski> I need windows for develpoing directx applications
[01:01] <amerikanski> it's vital for me
[01:02] <ScorpKing> have you tried installing xp and vista before installing linux? hmmm. i guess so...
[01:02] <amerikanski> yes
[01:03] <amerikanski> ok have to go I believe I will solve it using dos boot manager
[01:03] <amerikanski> see you later!
[01:03] <ScorpKing> maybe look at the boot.ini or whatever file for vista.
[01:03] <ScorpKing> cheers
[01:03] <ScorpKing> bedtime for me 2.
[01:03] <ScorpKing> nite guys!
[01:05] <hatter> elkang, thanks
[01:05] <hatter> BluesKaj, thanks also
[01:05] <elkang> np hatter
[01:06] <elkang> Im gonna go get some sleep now as well, cu guys
[01:06] <elkang> n8
[01:06] <hatter> anyone else find konqueror as a web browser a bit lacking ?
[01:06] <NickPresta> hatter, no, not really. In terms of extensions, sure, but it's HTML, CSS, JS, etc support is great
[01:07] <hatter> i found a websites it messed up that firefox didnt
[01:07] <NickPresta> hatter, if you head to #kubuntu-offtopic, I would love to see the site
[01:08] <hatter> NickPresta, it was a few weeks ago, i will perservere to find them again, my bad i should have noted them
[01:09] <hatter> the other noticeable pain is when right clicking on on a tab to close it, when you slide the mouse down it opens the right arrow dialog box just before the close
[01:10] <hatter> but this is not the place to speak of aesthetics
[01:12] <DARKGuy> hey, is it possible to open a getty (tty, VT, whatever) on a secondary display/card/monitor, just like X :1 would, but to also keep my current X session active on my main display?
[01:13] <ibilic> what are the best kubuntu forums where I can ask questions?
[01:13] <ibilic> (I want to set up Eclipse for C++)
[01:13] <crimsun> just install eclipse-cdt from universe.
[01:23] <lnxkde> hey guys I need help with chroot
[01:41] <ivan> hey
[01:41] <ivan> have problems whit my drivers
[01:45] <R0shan> t'es marrant zaza
[01:49] <NickPresta> R0shan, which language?
[02:08] <giovedi> buonasera signore e signori
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> !it
[02:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:28] <lubos> what is the reason behind this: http://eightpence.com/running-multi-threaded-apache-with-php-on-ubuntu/
[02:29] <lubos> If you try to install apache2-mpm-worker or apache2-mpm-perchild on Ubuntu, it will not let you do so alongside apache2-mod-php5.... why?
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Because not all PHP extensions are thread-safe
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> I believe the PHP core is thread-safe, as are most, if not all, of the extensions maintained by the core developers, but some of the less-maintained extensions aren't
[02:32] <mehboob> hi, i'm trying to download mp3 plugin for xine, on kubuntu.
[02:32] <mehboob> any ideas?
[02:36] <lubos> Dragnslcr: thanks man... what you think does it make sense to force install php mod as described in above mentioned howto?
[02:36] <hydrogen> mehboob: libxine-extracodecs
[02:37] <mehboob> where do i find these?
[02:38] <jhutchins> !mp3 | mehboob
[02:38] <ubotu> mehboob: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:39] <jhutchins> lubos: Because ubuntu is a desktop project not intended to be used for servers.
[02:40] <jhutchins> lubos: they take a stab at "linux does everything" by calling one of their branches a server install, but you're just as well off building your own distro from scratch as running ubuntu for a server.
[02:46] <lubos> jhutchins: well there is some true what you just have said.. :-))
[02:50] <semistud2354> i need help
[02:50] <semistud2354> my bcm4318 card doesnt work
[02:50] <semistud2354> im using gutsy
[02:50] <semistud2354> i just installed it
[02:51] <semistud2354> i read all of the posts....and i did in a nutshell what theysaid
[02:51] <semistud2354> anyone have something that they did special
[02:52] <semistud2354> the light for my laptop doesnt even turn on
[02:52] <semistud2354> but it did work
[02:52] <semistud2354> it was workin
[02:52] <hatter> what are you people using as a c.r.m  in ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[02:53] <semistud2354> kubuntu
[02:53] <semistud2354> i tryed config using ndiswrapper
[02:53] <semistud2354> n i just built the newest one 1.48
[02:53] <semistud2354> its wierd...all i did was exit out of knetworkmanager
[02:53] <semistud2354> and the light turned off
[02:54] <semistud2354> so i started it again
[02:54] <NickPresta> !enter | semistud2354
[02:54] <semistud2354> and it never turned on
[02:54] <ubotu> semistud2354: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[02:55] <illya> any recommendation to fix a Dell Dimension C521 and keyboard collon eching as 
[02:55] <semistud2354> i thought bcm4318 cards would work with gutsy
[02:57] <semistud2354> anyone have any thoughts
[02:59] <mr_marvin> hello
[02:59] <semistud2354> i need help
[03:00] <semistud2354> my bcm4318 card doesnt work
[03:00] <semistud2354> im using gutsy
[03:00] <semistud2354> i just installed it
[03:00] <semistud2354> i read all of the posts....and i did in a nutshell what theysaid
[03:00] <semistud2354> anyone have something that they did special
[03:00] <semistud2354> the light for my laptop doesnt even turn on
[03:01] <BonBonTheJon> in Gutsy beta, when I go to the logout menu, the only option I get is logout, it used to have shutdown, reboot, hibernate, etc. Any ideas how to get them back?
[03:02] <fawx> !video card driver
[03:04] <fawx> hello can any1 help me i need 2 update my video and sound card drivers?
[03:08] <fawx> ..ugh
[03:12] <prak> i've looked at http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/aix/cmds/aixcmds1/cp.htm for more details on the cp command, but I'm having trouble finding out how to copy a file (assuming that i know the location) to the current directory without typing:
[03:13] <prak> "cp /directory/file here"
[03:13] <prak> ?
[03:13] <hydrogen> you can use .
[03:13] <evilidler> Dot
[03:13] <hydrogen> instead of here
[03:13] <hydrogen> but thats about it
[03:13] <prak> thanks, hydrogen
[03:13] <hydrogen> . is synonmous with the current directory
[03:13] <hydrogen> .. with the directory one level up
[03:14] <phoenixz> Hi there, When I start my kubuntu with compiz, most of the tray icons show as windows in the taskbar but not in the tray icon location.. when I just start up enough programs, suddenly all the tray icons dissappear from the taskbar and return to their location in the  tray bar.. I suppose this is a KDE bug, and its quite anoying actually.. Is there an easier way to fix this?
[03:26] <foxwoods> nick
[03:27] <gnomefreak> ak
[03:27] <Jucato> :P
[03:27] <foxwoods> oops. hello, does anyone know about the memstick.c problem when building the kernel?
[03:27] <foxwoods> I found a launchpand bug for it, but basically the response was "we don't guarantee custom kernels, so don't ask about it"
[03:28] <gnomefreak> ah tahts why
[03:28] <foxwoods> Is there any way to fix it or is that feature just not supported? (MS option)
[03:34] <foxwoods> anyone? anyone awake?
[03:36] <hsystem-x> #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:36] <hsystem-x> #amarok
[03:40] <fawx> hello can any1 help me i need 2 update my video and sound card drivers?
[03:40] <MachFennec> howdy
[03:41] <fawx> r there sites for the best card drivers?
[03:42] <winbond> what is apport-qt?
[03:42] <Jucato> winbond: it's a Qt frontend (GUI) to apport, Ubuntu's crash handling application
[03:42] <MachFennec> im having wireless issues, i have an hp pavilion with broadcom, i did ndiswrapper and now the system sees the card, kWifiManager sees my wireless network, i try to connect to it but it forces itself into ad-hoc mode and says its connected but has no IP.....my router sees my laptop as connected and having an IP, though i cant ping that IP
[03:44] <winbond> Jucato, oh, thanks
[03:44] <LukosErratio> have you tried forcing the IP ?
[03:45] <winbond> do u know what "could not find the program %u" means?  i get that a lot
[03:50] <kris> Hi. I just installed kubuntu v.7.10. Unfortunately, Xgl is enabled by default, and seems to be slowing down how my system is redering graphics considerably. I was wondering if I could get some help to switch it back to Xorg until I can figure out what the driver problem is, please?
[03:50] <foxwoods> One other question from me; DWL-G132 DLink wireless card, revision A2, using ndiswrapper I've got it to work, and I can access everything, but after variable times (hour to a day) it no longer works, and if I unplug, ndiswrapper crashes; (before every start up I need to modprobe -r ndiswrapper then depmod -a modprobe ndiswrapper)
[03:51] <miket> yeah um forcing an ip isnt working either >.> (machfennec)
[03:51] <foxwoods> and by 'before every start up' I meant after every boot.
[03:57] <earl_>  i'd like to set Mplayer as the default application for opening video files. how can i do this?
[03:58] <Jucato> earl_: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations -> video group, make MPlayer the application at the top of the list for each type of video that you want to use MPlayer by defalt
[03:58] <Jucato> default*
[04:03] <earl_> works like a charm. thanks!
[04:03] <foxwoods> in future, you can also just right click, properties, and click the wrench by the file type
[04:04] <foxwoods> that'll bring you to the file associations for that type of file
[04:04] <kristjan_> foxwoods: however this would be tedious for every video file
[04:06] <foxwoods> sure, I was just saying in future, for single file types it's simpler
[04:06] <foxwoods> to me anyways
[04:17] <_aaa> trying to install Linux  on top of win2k, and it wont let me, what do I do?
[04:17] <snowdonkey> Hey.  How do I turn off kompmgr and is there a GUI to change the preferences in "kompmgr --help" ?
[04:18] <BluesKaj> _aaa, format the HDD to ext3 first, then install linux
[04:19] <Jucato> snowdonkey: System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Translucency tab
[04:19] <BluesKaj> _aaa, do you have the live cd ?
[04:20] <_aaa> yes ,I have fedora c5 and ubuntu 7.04
[04:21] <snowdonkey> jucato: Thx.  I found that menu but "Use translucency/shadows" is unchecked.  Modifying there doesn't make changes.
[04:21] <BluesKaj> ok _aaa , what about the boot sequence in BIOS , is it looking at the cdrom drive first so you can bootinto the live cd
[04:21] <Jucato> snowdonkey: you need to 1) have the proper (binary/proprietary) drivers for your video card and 2) enable composite extention in xorg.conf
[04:21] <snowdonkey> jucato: Aha!  Nvm.  :)  Is there a way to turn off kompmgr now that it's running?
[04:22] <_aaa> but format HDD to ext3 ?the BIOS is set forboot CDrom
[04:22] <Jucato> kill it? Ctrl+Esc
[04:22] <snowdonkey> jucato: Sweet, thx.
[04:23] <BluesKaj> _aaa, then you can use the live cd to format the HDD to ext3
[04:23] <_aaa> okay ty
[04:27] <BluesKaj> bedtime for me
[04:29] <MachFennec> anyone here know about sprint novatel u720?
[04:29] <sparr> why do most email clients handle quote marks in email real names poorly, and differently?
[04:42] <hsystem-x> so quit..
[04:44] <miket> woo
[04:44] <miket> i got my cellmodem working in kubuntu
[05:03] <prak> does anyone know if there's a plugin for xmms or amarok that allows me to display what i'm playing on my computer on kopete or gaim?
[05:05] <nalioth> prak: there are many.  don't ask me where to find them, as i don't do that
[05:05] <Jucato> prak: there's one for Kopete. Settings->Configure Plugins -> Now Listening
[05:06] <prak> thanks
[05:14] <sjck_> is there a step-by-step instruction how to update amarok? :)
[05:14] <Jucato> sjck_: update to what version? are you on Kubuntu Feisty?
[05:15] <hsystem-x> sjck, just do sudo apt-get update
[05:15] <hsystem-x> then
[05:15] <hsystem-x> sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:15] <hsystem-x> ...
[05:15] <sjck_> Jucato yes
[05:15] <Jucato> hsystem-x: not exactly
[05:15] <Jucato> sjck_: what version of Amarok do you have right now?
[05:15] <sjck_> 1.4.5
[05:16] <hsystem-x> for sure that is... if he wants to install the latest stable..
[05:16] <hsystem-x> from repos.
[05:16] <Jucato> hsystem-x: not if he doesn't have the correct repo in the first place
[05:17] <Jucato> sjck_: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.7.php
[05:17] <hsystem-x> he is an ubuntu user or kubuntu user anyway... and thats on the ubuntu oficial repos
[05:17] <Jucato> Follow the instructions to enable feisty-backports
[05:17] <Jucato> hsystem-x: no. Amarok 1.4.7 is not in the default enabled repositories on Feisty. he needs to enable backports
[05:18] <hsystem-x> amarok 1.4.7 ships with gutsy so it is on the gutsy repos and also on feisty backports.
[05:18] <hsystem-x> ships in*
[05:18] <Jucato> hsystem-x: that's why I asked him if he were on Feisty. and he said yes
[05:18] <Jucato> and Feisty doesn't have backports enabled by default
[05:18] <sjck_> that  site seems kinda complex thats why I was asking in here
[05:19] <Jucato> ok hold on a sec...
[05:20] <Jucato> sjck_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:20] <Jucato> "Using the directions on the [WWW]  How To Add Repositories Page for Kubuntu, just activate the Unsupported updates in the Updates tab."
[05:21] <fawx> help i can't write in my terminal box
[05:22] <ardchoille> How do you delete a contact from kopete?
[05:22] <sjck_> thanks :)
[05:22] <ardchoille> I delete it and go to options > Accounts > MSN and it's still there.
[05:23] <fawx> i need help enabling nvidia?
[05:23] <fawx> i need help enabling nvidia drivers?
[05:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> !nvidia
[05:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:24] <fawx> thx
[05:32] <sjck_> command to see all hdd?
[05:33] <hatter> how do i run something with sudo or as root from an icon on the desktop ?
[05:51] <dwidmann> hatter: use kdesu
[05:52] <hatter> dwidmann, somewhere in the menus ?
[05:53] <dwidmann> hatter: no, just prepend it to the command that you want to run, it should do the trick.
[05:54] <dwidmann> sjck: "sudo lshw -class disk" should do it, depending on what kind of informatino you're wanting to see.
[05:55] <hatter> dwidmann, hmmm, i have an icon on the desktop for connecting to an nfs share, (create new nfs device) where would i put kdesu ?
[05:56] <dwidmann> :s not sure, seeing as you mentioned sudo ... what command do you use to run it from a terminal?
[05:57] <hatter> from a terminal : sudo mount -t nfs 10.10.10.10:/nfsshare /nfsmountlocations
[05:58] <hatter> kubuntu has an icon creater when you right click
[05:58] <dwidmann> hatter: you could probably add it to the fstab, maybe.
[05:58] <kubuntunewbie> can som1 please help me use debian, i dont understand it
[05:58] <hatter> create new ->  link to device ->  nfs share
[05:59] <hatter> dwidmann, yes, there are many ways, i am trying to get used using GUI in linux to replace some windows desktops
[05:59] <dwidmann> hatter: after running that sudo line, copy the related line from the /etc/mtab into the /etc/fstab, and that should do it, I think.
[05:59] <hatter> dwidmann, thx, but the point is for windows noobs not to use the command line
[05:59] <hatter> they are used to icons
[05:59] <bazhang> hello!
[06:00] <hatter> however i have found that there are icons that need to be run as root but i dont know how to do that
[06:00] <miket> the command line is easy to learn though, imo
[06:00] <dwidmann> hatter: just replace sudo with kdesu and it should work, you won't get any feedback though.
[06:00] <miket> i went from knowing nothing about it to being able to do a heck of alot with my system in a couple days of messing around and reading
[06:00] <kubuntunewbie> im a windows noob, and i cant figgure out how to install stuff without the sudo apt get command
[06:01] <kubuntunewbie> i just downloaded a debian file to install limewire and i cant seem to figure out how to install it
[06:01] <kubuntunewbie> could anyone please help
[06:01] <miket> sudo apt-get install frostwire
[06:01] <miket> or use dpkg >.>
[06:01] <hatter> kubuntunewbie, you cant install debian programs
[06:01] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: use dpkg -i
[06:01] <kubuntunewbie> whats frostwie
[06:01] <kubuntunewbie> whats dpkg -i?
[06:01] <dwidmann> hatter: lies
[06:01] <miket> frostwire is an open source clone of limewire that works alot faster
[06:02] <miket> and dpkg -i installes .deb files
[06:02] <kubuntunewbie> limewire isnt open source?
[06:02] <miket> and stuff
[06:02] <hatter> dwidmann, you would install debian packages on ubuntu ?
[06:02] <miket> no, limewire isnt
[06:02] <dwidmann> hatter: assuming all deps are met, yes.
[06:02] <kubuntunewbie> okay cool thanks miket
[06:02] <hatter> dwidmann, how does one assume this ?
[06:03] <dwidmann> hatter: the usual way, either dpkg will let you install it or it won't (in which case it's telling you that the libraries that it depends on are the wrong version and may not be retrievable, and thus dependency hell could begin)
[06:04] <miket> dependancy hell is a good time waster when yer bored
[06:04] <hatter> ok. I wouldn't do it.
[06:04] <kubuntunewbie> miket: hey package frostwire couldnt be found
[06:04] <miket> add some more repos, its in there somewhere :/
[06:04] <intelikey> !frostwire
[06:04] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:04] <kubuntunewbie> how do i add a repo?
[06:05] <intelikey> !repos | kubuntunewbie
[06:05] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:06] <bazhang> kubuntunewbie: you go to adept, then choose manage repositories.
[06:07] <miket> oh noes, they changed it in 7.04?
[06:08] <kubuntunewbie> okay reading up about this
[06:08] <bazhang> more changes in the next release...
[06:09] <miket> i couldnt even run the latest beta :/
[06:09] <miket> just crashed miserably on boot
[06:09] <bazhang> miket:  might be the media...
[06:09] <miket> 7.04 is awsome though, and i love the fonts
[06:09] <miket> i was usin verbatim discs burned at half speed
[06:09] <bazhang> then it's not the media...
[06:10] <intelikey> "burned at half speed" ???  1x ?
[06:10] <dwidmann> no point worrying about it now, something like 12 days til gutsy
[06:10] <miket> ...
[06:10] <miket> half of my burners max, one might assume
[06:10] <intelikey> "one might assume" that's too fast.
[06:11] <bazhang> 9 days!
[06:11] <miket> i like how everything (not counting wireless) on my hp laptop just worked heh
[06:11] <dwidmann> oh yeah, I forgot, I lose track of time over the weekend (I blame wal-mart for this)
[06:11] <kubuntunewbie> theres a ubuntu update in 9 days?
[06:11] <miket> broadcom cand go screw themselves
[06:11] <bazhang> 10/18!
[06:11] <miket> can
[06:11] <bazhang> upgrade..
[06:11] <kubuntunewbie> man, techmology is a cool thing
[06:12] <dwidmann> It's really more like 7-8 if you're dist-upgrading though ...
[06:12] <miket> power management is flawless, the hotbuttons work great, its just an all around kick ass job
[06:12] <mafe> como es el canal en espaol?
[06:12] <miket> if they could get wireless to work on broadcom linux would be ready for everyone :D
[06:12] <intelikey> !es | mafe
[06:12] <ubotu> mafe: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:13] <kubuntunewbie> is ubuntu the most widely used linux package?
[06:13] <dwidmann> miket: it's broadcoms fault, noone elses ...
[06:13] <miket> i know this
[06:14] <miket> which is why i said they can go screw themselves
[06:14] <dwidmann> miket: I think they decided to screw everyone else instead
[06:14] <intelikey> boys
[06:14] <miket> maybe dell can get some drivers out of them :/
[06:15] <Dragnslcr> Dell is just using Intel wireless instead of trying to fight with Broadcom
[06:15] <kubuntunewbie> is it hard to install a USB cdrw drive in linux?
[06:15] <dwidmann> Dragnslcr: my laptop is a testament to that
[06:15] <miket> im going to swap my internal wireless soon anyway
[06:15] <miket> atheros minipci =D
[06:15] <intelikey> kubuntunewbie no
[06:16] <miket> its plug and play now isnt it?
[06:16] <miket> my external harddrive worked on its own
[06:16] <kubuntunewbie> intelikey: imma go get the cords for it. would u mind walkin me thru?
[06:16] <miket> just plug it in, it should see it and auto mount it
[06:19] <sjck_> command to see all hdd? :(
[06:20] <intelikey> cat /proc/partitions      or  sudo fdisk -l
[06:20] <sjck_> will that show unformatted drives too?
[06:21] <Lopin> Um...  I can't start kubuntu...
[06:22] <Lopin> It started locking up...
[06:22] <Lopin> It gets to the network interfaces, and locks up...
[06:22] <Lopin> Anyone help me?
[06:22] <Lopin> Anyone online?
[06:23] <Lopin> !startup
[06:23] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[06:23] <intelikey> did you let it set there for "ten minutes" to see if it times out ?
[06:23] <Lopin> Ten minutes?
[06:23] <intelikey> yes
[06:23] <Lopin> Well, poo...
[06:23] <Lopin> Okay...
[06:23] <Lopin> Guess I'll be back in ten minutes...
[06:23] <Lopin> What do I do if it doesn't do anything?
[06:23] <Yz85Racer> !paste
[06:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:24] <Yz85Racer> damn
[06:24] <Yz85Racer> whats the link for the paste site?
[06:24] <Yz85Racer> oh
[06:24] <Dragnslcr> You mean the link the bot just gave you?
[06:24] <intelikey> Lopin ctrl+alt+del   if that don't do anything    alt+sysRQ+b
[06:24] <bazhang> haha
[06:25] <intelikey> Dragnslcr that link is so obscure in that post tho...
[06:25] <intelikey> hard to notice.    ;/
[06:26] <Lopin> Okay thanks...
[06:36] <intelikey> so what exactly is causing all these boot time "lockups" that people keep complaining about ?
[06:38] <bazhang> user error?..haha
[06:38] <intelikey> probably more like distro error.
[06:39] <bazhang> haha
[06:39] <Daisuke_Ido> alt+SysRq+b?
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> the hell?
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> !ohmy | Daisuke_Ido
[06:40] <bazhang> I thought it was reisub?
[06:40] <intelikey> i'm going to guess that atempting to make all hardware "just work"  they are loading a driver that can't be loaded with something.   and when people have that something then they have trubble.    just a guess mind you.
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i just kinda wondered what the Sys Rq key did...
[06:41] <intelikey> !sysRQ
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysrq - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <bazhang> not much--that alt sysreq reisub never works for me...
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> break i understand, though i don't think i've actually *used* it since, oh, the tandy 1000
[06:41] <intelikey> hmmm there is a page on it..
[06:42] <Daisuke_Ido> pause i don't quite get, what does it pause?
[06:42] <intelikey> does pause do anything ?
[06:42] <Daisuke_Ido> and scroll lock sounds like it should either make things stop scrolling, or lock the scrolling so they *keep* scrolling...  keyboard designers aren't very smart.
[06:43] <bazhang> #keyboard
[06:44] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido the scroll lock  used to be used for exactly that when DOS was young.   it stopped the text from scrolling by.   and let you read it.   sense DOS 3  i don't think it has had a good use.
[06:44] <tabrez> Kububtu Gutsy is which version of KDE?
[06:45] <bazhang> 7.10
[06:45] <intelikey> !kde4
[06:45] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:45] <ardchoille> tabrez: It's not kde4
[06:45] <bazhang> oops
[06:45] <intelikey> ardchoille yeah.  that's what i meant  ! kde4
[06:45] <tabrez> ardchoille: yeah i know, but which version is it?
[06:45] <ardchoille> 3.5.7 ?
[06:45] <hydrogen> 3.5.7
[06:45] <bazhang> yes
[06:45] <tabrez> k
[06:46] <tabrez> got to reboot...
[06:47] <intelikey> silly bot doesn't allow me to use ! = not   for short posts.   like  !i == not me.
[06:48] <hero> does anyone use kflickr?
[06:49] <ardchoille> intelikey: :(
[06:49] <ardchoille> hero: I don't use it but it's in the repos
[06:50] <hero> ardchoille: is there another flickr program in the repos?
[06:50] <ardchoille> hero: Search and see:  apt-cache search flickr
[06:50] <intelikey> or use the bot luke...
[06:50] <ardchoille> haha
[06:51] <intelikey> !find flickr
[06:51] <bazhang> kflickr - KDE application to upload photos to Flickr
[06:51] <ubotu> Found: kflickr
[06:51] <intelikey> looks like one found.
[06:52] <intelikey> why wouldn't wput do that ?
[06:52] <ardchoille> because you need account/category info?
[06:52] <ardchoille> Probably too complicated for wput
[06:52] <intelikey> ?   hmmmmm
[06:54] <intelikey> well curl + expect   then.
[06:54] <intelikey> :|
[06:55] <tabrez> kopete should never have supported irc >.>
[06:55] <tabrez> konversation is so good
[06:56] <Jucato> there's always room for alternatives... would have been nice to have a unified communcation/messages app... but alas...
[06:56] <intelikey> konversation should never have been writen,  there were already many irc clients
[06:56] <Jucato> KDE IRC clients?
[06:56] <intelikey> irc in general
[06:56] <hydrogen> except konversation is the best of the bunch
[06:57] <hydrogen> obviously
[06:57] <Jucato> duh! but for KDE there isn't much really
[06:57] <intelikey> Jucato and yes there were   kirc for one.
[06:57] <Jucato> ksirc is unmaintained, kvirc isn't kde, and kopete's irc is sucky
[06:57] <hydrogen> ksirc was utterly horrible and unmainted
[06:57] <karthikp> I read that kopete itself can handle irc...
[06:57] <Jucato> can handle. but not really that stellar
[06:57] <intelikey> Jucato you just named three... :)
[06:58] <Jucato> actually I only named 2 *KDE* apps
[06:58] <tabrez> irssi and xchar are the best but konversation is the best with KDE look
[06:58] <Jucato> one is unmaintained, and one sucks
[06:58] <tabrez> xchat is neither gnome nor kde
[06:58] <ardchoille> I thought xchat was GTK2
[06:58] <Jucato> anyway, let's not get into a X is better than Y
[06:58] <intelikey> but anyway...    i don't see anyreason to have have more than irssi
[06:59] <ardchoille> intelikey: personal pref
[06:59] <hydrogen> some people would rather not be stuck in the 1980's :/
[06:59] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm so thankful to $DEITY that not all see the world as you do :P
[06:59] <karthikp> Open source is all about choice.
[06:59] <ardchoille> karthikp: indeed
[06:59] <Jucato> otherwise it'd be a console world...
[07:00] <Jucato> undefined at the moment :)
[07:00] <Jucato> here
[07:00] <hydrogen> I remember when I was 12 and liked bx simply because the name was so risky
[07:00] <Jucato> aaaaanyway....
[07:00] <hydrogen> those were the days!
[07:00] <intelikey> epic
[07:04] <ardchoille> I still like those slanted single color icons.. but I can't find a set of them anywhere
[07:04] <intelikey> "slanted single color icons" ???
[07:05] <Jucato> there!
[07:05] <ardchoille> from apple system 7?
[07:05] <ardchoille> or OS2 warp?
[07:05] <intelikey> oh.
[07:05] <intelikey> never seen that,  heh.
[07:07] <Jucato> plan9 again...
[07:07] <ardchoille> intelikey: The icons here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OS2_Chess.PNG
[07:07] <intelikey> o   k    .
[07:08] <bazhang> system 7 indeed.
[07:08] <Jucato> ardchoille: um.. kde hicolor icons?
[07:10] <Jucato> ardchoille: try kdeartwork-theme-icon
[07:10] <Jucato> I think it's there
[07:10] <ardchoille> Jucato: Really? I don't have that set
[07:10] <Jucato> of course you won't
[07:10] <Jucato> none of us have full kde installed :)
[07:10] <ardchoille> I have KDE-LoColor
[07:10] <intelikey>                         .
[07:10] <ardchoille> Jucato: Oh, didn't know that
[07:10] <Jucato> let me verify
[07:11] <Jucato> trallalalala
[07:11] <intelikey> that's why i often reccoment installing   kde   rather than kubuntu-desktop to gnome users...
[07:11] <Jucato> oh kdeclassic I think
[07:11] <Jucato> intelikey: sometimes a tad too much
[07:11] <ardchoille> Jucato: hmmm..  hicolor-icon-theme is in the repos
[07:11] <Jucato> it's better to ask them what they really want
[07:11] <Jucato> ardchoille: probably that one. I can't recall which one now hahah
[07:11] <intelikey> Jucato if they haven't specified   indeed
[07:12] <ardchoille> Jucato: the locolor icons have gradients.. I dislike grads
[07:12] <Jucato> intelikey: and even if they have specified, sometimes they are not aware of the diff kde kubuntu-desktop
[07:12] <intelikey> yeah   and a lot of people that blindly reccoment  kubuntu-desktop  aren't either.
[07:12] <Jucato> ardchoille: you can give me a few moments to actually do the research for you right?
[07:13] <Jucato> ardchoille: still too gradient-y? http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.5.7/kdeartwork/IconThemes/kdeclassic/48x48/apps/kfm_home.png?view=markup
[07:15] <Jucato> that's the kdeclassic icon set
[07:15] <ardchoille> yeah, I have those. I was hoping for an icon set with no gradients at all. I don't think it exists anymore
[07:15] <Jucato> maybe... maybe not...
[07:17] <intelikey>   0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15
[07:18] <Jucato> O.o
[07:18] <intelikey> just checking the colour codes
[07:18] <dsmith_> no its 1010010010100010101010101
[07:19] <dsmith_> ooops left out 5
[07:19] <intelikey> 21579093
[07:20] <ardchoille> Jucato: Like these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/BeOS_Desktop.png
[07:20] <ardchoille> I suppose I could make a set
[07:20] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes I saw the images already :)
[07:32] <uga> ardchoille: kde-locolor?
[07:32] <uga> they use dithering =)
[07:32] <Jucato> too gradienty for him he says
[07:33] <uga> there's gradients on his screenie too
[07:33] <uga> look at the next/prev arrows
[07:33] <ardchoille> I kinda gave up weeks ago, I don't think you can find such an icon set anymore
[07:33] <uga> or the desk icon
[07:33] <Jucato> if that's what he sees, then that's what he sees :)
[07:33] <uga> the gray hdd shadow... its' all gradients
[07:33] <Jucato> s/sees/wants/
[07:33] <uga> Jucato: lol
[07:33] <utnubuk> can someone tell me what PRAM is and what it does? :S
[07:34] <utnubuk> !PRAM
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pram - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Did those old icons use 8 bit color?
[07:34] <Jucato> dunno
[07:34] <Jucato> but they're really old. I think KDE 2 old
[07:34] <ardchoille> yeah
[07:34] <uga> Jucato: kde1, if I'm not wrong
[07:34] <Jucato> maybe...
[07:34] <Jucato> I'm not that old :)
[07:34] <Jucato> (in KDE years)
[07:34] <ardchoille> If I found a set, chances are I would have to create a lot of icons anyway
[07:35] <uga> anyway, cya, gotta go
[07:35] <smacker> !se
[07:35] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[07:37] <intelikey> i'm thinking that bx's use of ^c for the colour codes may be a bad idea,  if you hit ^C to rappidly you kill the client...
[07:38] <intelikey> like that....
[07:39] <intelikey> that was four ^c 's and bang the client died.
[07:43] <ILikeWangInMyBut> Hi
[07:43] <ILikeWangInMyBut> Oh god
[07:43] <ILikeWangInMyBut> wrong name
[07:43] <ILikeWangInMyBut> Is this the Kubuntu help channel?
[07:43] <ardchoille> yes, but you might want to change your nick or you may not last long here
[07:44] <DamienG> There >_>
[07:44] <DamienG> So uh
[07:44] <DamienG> Anyone want to help me?
[07:44] <ardchoille> With what?
[07:45] <DamienGray> There was a site that had instructions on setting up the Netgear WG11v3 wireless card with Kubuntu
[07:45] <DamienGray> But I can't find it now :/
[07:45] <ardchoille> !wifi
[07:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:45] <bazhang> ralink chipset?
[07:45] <DamienGray> No clue
[07:46] <bazhang> usb?
[07:46] <DamienGray> No clue
[07:46] <DamienGray> I found it though
[07:46] <DamienGray> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Netgear_WG311_v3?highlight=%28Netgear%29
[07:47] <bazhang> usb would plug into a usb port
[07:47] <sivananda> Greetings! May I ask a question?
[07:48] <bazhang> yes!
[07:48] <intelikey> sivananda you mean another one ?
[07:48] <sivananda> Thanks! Has anyone noticed seemingly random instances of their system becoming heavily bogged down?
[07:48] <ardchoille> lol
[07:49] <sivananda> Yes, besides that one... ;o)
[07:49] <ardchoille> sivananda: When that happens, open a terminal and type: top
[07:49] <intelikey> sivananda it's not some cron job going off is it ?
[07:49] <ardchoille> see what's running
[07:50] <sivananda> I've tried that ardchoille, and I've not noticed anything using what seems to be an inordinate amount of memory or cpu...
[07:50] <sivananda> I've wondered that myself intelikey
[07:50] <ardchoille> sivananda: It would be the topmost app
[07:51] <sivananda> Yes. It seems to happen most often when firefox is open, but even when it's happening it doesn't seem like it uses a *lot* of cpu... I think last time I saw maybe 20 - 30% if that
[07:52] <ardchoille> sivananda: Are you using firefox extensions that perform a lot of work in the background?
[07:53] <sivananda> Hmmm... well... I do have a number of extensions installed...
[07:53] <ardchoille> That might be it. The more you have installed, the slower firefox becomes
[07:54] <ardchoille> I have three installed and firefox is fine her
[07:54] <ardchoille> s/her/here/
[07:54] <sivananda> I don't think that many of them are *active* tho'... mainly adfiltering, couple of video download managers...
[07:55] <sivananda> hmmm... maybe I'll try deactivating them for awhile then add them back in one at a time...
[07:55] <ardchoille> sivananda: "active" or not, they're still using resources
[07:56] <sivananda> I noticed this happen recently also when I attempted to run google earth. Not had problems with it before, and firefox was not open...
[07:58] <sivananda> I know my memory is low end by today's standards (only 512M), but system seemed fine for aawhile when first installing kubuntu
[07:59] <RiverGate> so i'm working on this bash script that i am really proud of, when its done i wanna share it with other people. Where / how do i do that?
[08:00] <ardchoille> RiverGate: Post it on your website?
[08:00] <RiverGate> well yes that a possibilty
[08:00] <RiverGate> but i was wondering if theres a site that does that.. a site that actually get traffic >.>
[08:01] <ardchoille> RiverGate: if it has to do with kubuntu you can post it on the kubuntu forums
[08:01] <ardchoille> or kubuntu wiki
[08:01] <RiverGate> well its basically a script that creates and maintains a website and journal
[08:01] <RiverGate> and it can be used offline
[08:01] <ardchoille> sounds like php
[08:02] <RiverGate> yeah well you know.. the thing is
[08:02] <RiverGate> i dunno php, so i made it in unix instead >.>
[08:02] <RiverGate> and php is server side
[08:02] <ardchoille> yeah
[08:02] <RiverGate> mine works on the clients comp
[08:03] <ardchoille> nice
[08:03] <RiverGate> so when im on vacation i can keep up my journal instead of writing all at once when i get back home
[08:03] <RiverGate> ty ^^
[08:13] <vbgunz> how do you install oss?
[08:13] <vbgunz> does kubuntu come with oss?
[08:13] <vbgunz> I am trying to test a game in wine, condition-zero and the performance is excellent, but the sound is always delayed
[08:14] <vbgunz> I heard wine works best with oss, but when I enable it I hear nothing :/
[08:14] <karthikp> What's oss, again?
[08:14] <bazhang> sound?
[08:14] <karthikp> Always thought it stood for open source software...:)
[08:14] <karthikp> Ah, right.
[08:14] <karthikp> That's oss, too.
[08:15] <vbgunz> not sure, am looking for something on how to install it as apt-cache returns too many packages for oss
[08:15] <karthikp> I've never heard decent sound response from wine...
[08:16] <vbgunz> performance is excellent. sound sucks :(
[08:17] <vbgunz> god I wish a steam killer showed up on gnu/linux
[08:18] <vbgunz> something nice and portable would be the ticket
[08:19] <bazhang> isn't steam available for Linux?
[08:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Nope.
[08:19] <FunnyLookinHat> And they've said they have NO intentions of doing so.
[08:19] <bazhang> wow
[08:20] <bazhang> that stinks.
[08:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Well ya know...  Apple wanted Valve to port to OS X, but Valve said they'd need 1 million$ up front to do it...  since it gains them no real market share/sales
[08:21] <vbgunz> probably in a few years something'll come out and rival the ass out of steam. until then, penguin racer is just not for me :/
[08:21] <bazhang> they're digging their own grave--oss is the steamroller coming..haha
[08:22] <ben_> tuxracer :p it uses up so much resources
[08:22] <vbgunz> I think though the numbers are small when it comes to linux users, I think the money per person compared is higher
[08:22] <bazhang> frozen bubble?
[08:22] <vbgunz> frozen bubble only with the wifey. she don't like getting a head shot
[08:23] <karthikp> Nobody likes getting a head shot, buddy.
[08:25] <vbgunz> yeah but everyone love giving em ;)
[08:25] <manul_> hi!
[08:26] <manul_> italian?
[08:26] <bazhang> !it
[08:26] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:26] <manul_> grazie!! :-)
[08:26] <dsmith_> grid wars is a fun game
[08:26] <bazhang> warzone!
[08:29] <karthikp> I've taken to playing an old gem from '95 called Road Rash. Using Wine. No sound and for some reason, insanely high CPU load...
[08:29] <karthikp> But very addictive.
[08:29] <vbgunz> if only virtualbox could handle steam at near native performance... with the seamless, that'll be killer :)
[08:30] <karthikp> Not to press a point, it would be swell if they ported steam to linux. What do they have against the penguin!!!
[08:30] <dsmith_> heh, they say they wont
[08:30] <karthikp> I know.
[08:30] <dsmith_> i dont see why they wont
[08:30] <dsmith_> they must be in the pockets of MS
[08:31] <karthikp> Ultimately, companies go where the money is.
[08:31] <dsmith_> pengiun is the bling bling
[08:31] <dsmith_> fool
[08:31] <dsmith_> lol
[08:31] <bazhang> night of the living Vista
[08:32] <karthikp> Someone needs to convince people that linux can be an awesome gaming environment.
[08:32] <dsmith_> would you pay $50 for a linux OS?
[08:32] <bazhang> more
[08:32] <karthikp> With a low overhead, the game performance should theoretically be better than in windows, right?
[08:33] <bazhang> !ontopic
[08:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the Kubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:33] <dsmith_> shhhhhhhhhh
[08:33] <karthikp> Please, what of the idea of free and open source software?
[08:33] <dsmith_> i knw
[08:33] <karthikp> bazhang:Richard Stallman feels hurt.
[08:33] <Tm_T> !FOSS
[08:33] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[08:33] <bazhang> free=communism in some people's minds.
[08:33] <dsmith_> heh
[08:33] <Tm_T> karthikp: see
[08:33] <Jucato> !ot
[08:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:33] <Jucato> (again)
[08:34] <sivananda> jeezus...
[08:34] <sivananda> ok so...
[08:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: me?
[08:34] <sivananda> took this long to get performance back
[08:34] <bazhang> it's working?
[08:35] <sivananda> I wanted to see if I could get a paste of top while lagged...
[08:35] <sivananda> so I opened google earth while being here thru irefox's chatzilla plugin
[08:36] <ardchoille> sivananda: Careful, you might end up going back in time, lol
[08:36] <dsmith_> lol
[08:36] <sivananda> Here's top while the system was REAL slow... as in probably better than two minutes just to draw a context menu...
[08:36] <sivananda> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[08:36] <sivananda> 31630 sivanand  16   0  182m 9276 1752 S  1.0  2.1   0:06.51 kicker
[08:36] <sivananda> 31763 sivanand  16   0  157m  52m 3860 D  0.7 12.0   0:41.94 firefox-bin
[08:36] <sivananda>  5116 debian-t  16   0 33404  15m  220 S  0.3  3.5   0:23.47 tor
[08:36] <sivananda>  6403 sivanand  16   0 18900  756  396 R  0.3  0.2   0:00.91 top
[08:36] <sivananda>  6913 sivanand  16   0  301m  67m 6596 D  0.3 15.5   0:19.16 googleearth-bin
[08:36] <sivananda>     1 root      15   0  5064 1448   52 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.89 init
[08:36] <ardchoille> !paste | sivananda
[08:36] <ubotu> sivananda: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:36] <sivananda>     2 root      RT   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/0
[08:36] <sivananda>     3 root      34  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:02.18 ksoftirqd/0
[08:37] <dsmith_> dol
[08:38] <ardchoille> thank you Tm_T
[08:38] <sivananda> So did that show or do I need to post it in pastebin?
[08:38] <Tm_T> sivananda: pastebin
[08:38] <sivananda> ok... gimme a sec
[08:38] <dsmith_> paste it again...
[08:38] <dsmith_> :P
[08:39] <ardchoille> sivananda: I'm wondering why kicker is using so much
[08:39] <dsmith_> j/k
[08:39] <sivananda> :P
[08:40] <sivananda> 1% cpu and 2.1% mem?
[08:40] <ardchoille> nvm, I saw it at the top and thought.
[08:40] <ardchoille> But, google-earth is useless IMHO
[08:40] <ardchoille> sivananda: I would definitely buy more ram if I were you
[08:41] <sivananda> lol... not for me...
[08:41] <sivananda> I've noted that the virtual memory never seems to get used according to top, even tho' there's non-stop disk access happening when the system bogs
[08:42] <sivananda> (sorry, forgot to copy that part)
[08:43] <Tm_T> sivananda: pastebin for over 2 lines of paste
[08:44] <sivananda> and re more memory: well ya, but good grief, two apps in kde sure as heck shouldn't be *that* much of a strain for 512M. My old laptop with 512M can handle that no prob
[08:44] <ardchoille> firefox is not a kde app
[08:44] <sivananda> thx Tm_T but I'm not going to wait another 30 minutes to get another copy... lol
[08:44] <ardchoille> And I suspect google-earth isn't either
[08:44] <Tm_T> ardchoille: its not =)
[08:45] <ardchoille> thank $DIETY
[08:45] <sivananda> I know that. What I mean is those two apps, coupled with the memory use of the environment, shouldn't be that much of a load...
[08:45] <ardchoille> well, google-earth is a resource intensive app
[08:46] <ardchoille> so it's going to waste resources
[08:46] <sivananda> Very true... but mainly on the graphics card...
[08:46] <ardchoille> and firefox has many memory leaks
[08:46] <sivananda> figures...
[08:47] <lukasz> how to uninstall programs in kubunu? in konsol
[08:47] <sivananda> Wish they'd do a better job of cleaning it up. I like the modularity of it...
[08:47] <ardchoille> lukasz: Depends on how you installed those apps
[08:48] <sivananda> Nice to not have a bunch of useless crap in a browser, along with the ability to plug in what you actually *want*...
[08:48] <lukasz> apt-get install
[08:48] <ardchoille> sivananda: cleaning up firefox would take a long while, it's a mess. Doubt they'd do that.. probably just start over on a new browser
[08:48] <ardchoille> lukasz: to remove an app with apt-get:  sudo apt-get remove app_name
[08:48] <lukasz> thanks
[08:48] <sivananda> Ah. You mean like... ummm... seamonkey? :D
[08:48] <ardchoille> lol
[08:49] <ardchoille> Instead of cleaning up the mess, they just start over and create a whole new mess.
[08:49] <sivananda> Opera's not too bad, but not much in the way of addons for it...
[08:49] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[08:49] <Tm_T> but then again, browsewar is offtopic =)
[08:49] <ardchoille> Konq is nice
[08:49] <sivananda> Same with Konq
[08:50] <sivananda> It's nice as far as it goes, but it lacks a lot of functionality that I like to have...
[08:52] <sivananda> Haven't looked at it much tho'... does it have a plugin architecture by any chance?
[08:52] <bazhang> yes
[08:52] <ardchoille> sivananda: konq can use mozilla plugins too
[08:53] <sivananda> hmmm... maybe I'll give it a closer look. Anything for it like firefox's adblock extension?
[08:53] <ardchoille> yes, konq has adblock features
[08:53] <ardchoille> and, iirc, it uses the adblock filterset.g
[08:54] <sivananda> Really... well... that would be a big plus for sure...
[08:54] <bazhang> very lightweight.
[08:55] <sivananda> Actually I guess I meant to say *extension* architecture. I forget there's a diff between plugins and extensions...
[08:55] <ardchoille> I've not looked too deeply into that sivananda
[08:55] <ardchoille> But, konq does get better and better
[08:56] <bazhang> verynice in gutsy.
[08:56] <sivananda> That's ok. Thanks for all the feedback; I'll give Konq a go for awhile and see if it meets my needs
[08:57] <sivananda> Speaking of gutsy, how's it looking so far? I've considered upgrading...
[08:57] <bazhang> superb.
[08:57] <Tm_T> sivananda: topic
[08:57] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1
[08:58] <fawx> !nvidia
[08:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:58] <sivananda> Does the beta seem pretty stable?
[08:58] <sisnet> wenas a todos
[08:58] <ardchoille> btw, you can pre-order Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) cd's from shipit now
[08:59] <jager> fusion is pretty slick btw
[08:59] <bazhang> !es
[08:59] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:59] <sivananda> Fusion?
[08:59] <bazhang> #ubuntu-effects
[08:59] <jager> yeah that
[08:59] <jager> really pretty
[08:59] <jager> gutsy is going to rule
[08:59] <sivananda> ah ok
[08:59] <ardchoille> pretty != productive
[09:00] <sivananda> lol true dat
[09:00] <jager> granted, and i've wasted a lot of time doing nothing but dork with compiz effects too
[09:00] <sivananda> but if you're out for eye candy...
[09:00] <jager> this is ultimate
[09:00] <jager> even better than beryl
[09:01] <sivananda> I like the enlightenment desktop too for looks...
[09:01] <sivananda> Particularly the custom version called Elive...
[09:01] <ardchoille> I don't mind eye candy, but wobbly/moving effects are just annoying
[09:01] <sivananda> Yea some are...
[09:01] <jager> i have everything turned on a random cycle right now, you'd hate it
[09:02] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:02] <jager> the tooltip animations are distracting
[09:02] <jager> but wow
[09:02] <bazhang> when kubuntu starts using a usable kde4, then will #kubuntu be also for effects? as kde4 supports GL...
[09:02] <ardchoille> bazhang: God question
[09:02] <Tm_T> bazhang: for kwin effects yes
[09:02] <ardchoille> s/God/Good/
[09:02] <jager> once kde4 hits then kwin win do composite
[09:02] <jager> we won't need compiz anymore
[09:02] <sivananda> So one last thing... is the gutsy upgrade from repository working ok, or does it screw up a bunch of stuff?
[09:03] <Tm_T> jager: I dont need it now either ;/
[09:03] <ardchoille> jager: kde can do compisiting on its own now with kompmgr
[09:03] <jager> fair point
[09:03] <Tm_T> sivananda: no guarantee but should work
[09:03] <jager> i dunno about enabling all this stuff by default
[09:03] <jager> works for me with issues
[09:03] <bazhang> jager: bad idea to do so...
[09:03] <jager> knetworkmanager is borked
[09:03] <fawx> hey can someone help me i can't write in my terminal window..?
[09:03] <jager> little things
[09:03] <sivananda> Well yea, never a guarantee doncha know... lol
[09:04] <ardchoille> jager: iirc, beryl and compiz merged and resulted in compiz-fusion
[09:04] <bazhang> true
[09:04] <jager> bazhang: i tend to agree
[09:04] <sivananda> Alright anyway thanks again peeps. Have a good night...
[09:04] <bazhang> g'night
[09:05] <fawx> any1?
[09:05] <ardchoille> fawx: What exactly is happening? What's in the term window?
[09:05] <ardchoille> sounds like maybe an app running that you need to quit
[09:06] <fawx> umm..i tried adding nvidia drivers
[09:06] <ardchoille> how did you do that?
[09:06] <fawx> but it won't allow me 2 putiin my root password
[09:06] <fawx> ummm
[09:07] <fawx> i used the adept installer
[09:07] <fawx> to get nvidia
[09:07] <fawx> them went to the terminal to enable it
[09:07] <fawx> but it won't let  me type my password to enable
[09:08] <ardchoille> fawx: the root password won't print in the terminal, but it is being entered, you just won't see it
[09:08] <ardchoille> so, enter the sudo password and hit the Enter key
[09:08] <fawx> so once i do it it should work
[09:08] <fawx> ok
[09:08] <ardchoille> yes
[09:09] <ardchoille> that's a security measure to keep people from looking over your shoulder and seeing the password
[09:09] <fawx> oh..
[09:10] <fawx> i typed the password but it didn't say it was enabled or anything
[09:10] <ardchoille> it won't. Now restart xorg and see if it is enabled.
[09:11] <fawx> ok brb
[09:12] <eec2> holaaaa
[09:13] <eec2> hay alguien?
[09:13] <ardchoille> !es
[09:13] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:13] <eec2> de donde eres?
[09:13] <eec2> eeeeeeeeoooooooooo
[09:13] <bazhang> just type /join #kubuntu-es
[09:14] <eec2> nadie responde.....
[09:14] <eec2> a ver mamones
[09:14] <eec2> vaya gente mas estupida
[09:15] <bazhang> eec2: this is for English you want #kubuntu-es
[09:15] <eec2> ok
[09:15] <ardchoille> necessita usar ingles en esta canal
[09:15] <bazhang> yes
[09:15] <eec2> where are you from?
[09:15] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: We have pundits in here as well :)
[09:15] <bazhang> ardchoille: wow impressive.
[09:15] <ardchoille> ?
[09:15] <bazhang> haha
[09:16] <fawx> crap..
[09:16] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Err.... come again?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> KDE4
[09:17] <DaSkreech> you were asking questions?
[09:17] <AstralJava> Yes. :)
[09:17] <ardchoille> fawx: You might need to change from the nv driver to the nvidia driver in xorg.conf.
[09:17] <DaSkreech> This is as good a chan to ask for impressions as any
[09:17] <fawx> do i have to open up my comp to find out whut driver it needs
[09:17] <fawx> how would i do that
[09:17] <DaSkreech> fawx: try lshw
[09:17] <bazhang> shouldn't need to do that
[09:17] <ardchoille> !nvidia | fawx here's a tutorial for you
[09:17] <ubotu> fawx here's a tutorial for you: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:17] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Thanks, yeah I was just pointed to -devel from another channel. I'll try this the next time for sure.
[09:18] <eec2> mother fuckers
[09:18] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: Which may I ask?
[09:18] <ardchoille> !ohmy
[09:18] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:18] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | eec2
[09:18] <ubotu> eec2: please see above
[09:19] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: #ubuntu-motu, but maybe I was just a bit too vague with my question, so...
[09:19] <DaSkreech> probably
[09:19] <DaSkreech> drat
[09:19] <bazhang> yes.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Boot is swifter than the mouth
[09:19] <ardchoille> lol
[09:20] <eec2_> hello idiots
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:21] <DaSkreech> real smart
[09:21] <ardchoille> Tm_T was waiting for that I see
[09:21] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: People always come back
[09:21] <ardchoille> yeah, they didn't get the hint the first time
[09:22] <Kyzia> http://globalchat.pp.net.ua/
[09:22] <DaSkreech> some to apologize and plead ignorance some to be met with the faster-than-a-speeding-mouth
[09:22] <bazhang> uhoh
[09:23] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: yes?
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Ban the spammer?
[09:23] <ardchoille> he's gone, isn't he
[09:23] <Tm_T> ooh!
[09:23] <DaSkreech> I dont care
[09:24] <ardchoille> good point, ban him anyway as he might return
[09:24] <DaSkreech> one kept popping in and out of #kde till it started posting very explicit porn links
[09:24] <ardchoille> I"m glad people are here watching things :)
[09:25] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Well, the problem insists even though I followed the steps listed on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php. Any ideas?
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Sorry what was the problem?
[09:25] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Not a problem. :)  /usr/lib/kde4/bin/knode: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdepim.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZTI18KStaticDeleterBase
[09:26] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: This is on login ?
[09:26] <ardchoille> AstralJava: kde4 is not really usable right now
[09:26] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: regardless he's now a beta tester :)
[09:26] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:26] <ardchoille> he's been volunteered
[09:27] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Nope, just trying to run knode from console.
[09:27] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: Ah. Is it in a KDE4 environment ?
[09:27] <AstralJava> ardchoille: I'm just not looking for a stable version, gnome has plenty of that. ;) I'm looking for some new KDE experiences, and please notice I'm not complaining, but rather helping out/finding out what KDE4 is all about. :)
[09:28] <DaSkreech> AstralJava: Understood We know complaining we hear it often
[09:28] <ardchoille> AstralJava: Fair point.. and.. good luck :)
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Jucato: ping
[09:28] <Jucato> pong?
[09:29] <DaSkreech> running a KDE4 app from the Konsole ina KDE3 environment
[09:29] <DaSkreech> How wise?
[09:29] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Okay. :) Yeah, I installed most everything I could find on gutsys repositories, checked the aforementioned web page for instructions on running the thing, made the env variable changes, and tried knode. :)
[09:29] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no problems as long as the proper environment variables are set
[09:29] <AstralJava> DaSkreech: Nope, I'm booted into a gnome session. I don't have any KDE3 things installed, AFAIK.
[09:29] <Jucato> except running kwin or plasma I guess
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Ah
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Sorry a Gnome environ :)
[09:30] <Jucato> hm.. that I don't know. But guessing it should be no problem
[09:30] <AstralJava> Yeah I would imagine that's why you got the env variables in the first place. :)
[09:30] <Tm_T> it should be not
[09:32] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: http://www.cracked.com/jp/net02.gif
[09:35] <AstralJava> I see: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4pim/+bug/139186
[09:35] <AstralJava> So any idea whether it's gonna get fixed for gutsy?
[09:44] <psyhhix> how long kubuntu 7.10 will be beta?
[09:44] <ardchoille> psyhhix: the 18th
[09:45] <psyhhix> heh, cool :)
[09:47] <meson10> I have a trouble with my nvidia card ... i upgraded to gutsy ... and i have to recompile the nvidia drivers from source...as elsewise it doesn start X and says conflict in kernel and nvidia modules
[09:51] <Tm_T> meson10: well, if you compile your own drivers, you have to recompile them after every kernel update
[09:51] <Tm_T> upgrade or whatever
[09:51] <meson10> Tm_T: in this case i have to do it on every reboot
[09:51] <Tm_T> meson10: humm, nice, do you have several drivers installed then?
[09:52] <meson10> Tm_T: i guess No
[09:52] <Tm_T> as; selfcompiled and from repositories
[09:52] <Tm_T> doublecheck
[09:52] <meson10> the installer refuses any exisitng drivers
[09:52] <meson10> Tm_T: how do i cross check that?
[09:53] <Tm_T> also, support for gutsy in #ubuntu+1
[09:53] <meson10> its actually not the problem of gutsy
[09:53] <meson10> nvidia-installer --uninstall..says no exisiting drivers
[09:53] <Tm_T> yes, but does package manager find installed drivers?
[09:54] <meson10> Tm_T: is nvidia-glx-new a drivcer package?
[09:54] <Tm_T> yes
[09:54] <meson10> Tm_T: should i uninstall it?
[09:54] <Tm_T> yes if you like to compile your own
[09:55] <Jucato> *if*...
[09:55] <meson10> i want it to run xserver on its own
[09:55] <meson10> nvidia-kernel-common?
[09:55] <meson10> should be removed as well?
[09:56] <Tm_T> yes if you like to compile your own
[09:56] <meson10> Tm_T: alright i have removed them both
[09:57] <meson10> Tm_T: re run the nvidia installer?
[09:57] <Tm_T> now do reinstall the driver you like to use and reboot
[09:57] <meson10> Ok
[09:57] <meson10> :-)
[10:02] <noname> hello, is there any way to make desktop icons allign automatically by the left side of the screen?
[10:02] <meson10> noname: right click
[10:02] <meson10> on desktop
[10:03] <noname> thats not very automatic
[10:03] <meson10> noname: icons->line up vertically usually works
[10:04] <noname> i mean i create something on the desktop and it alligns by itself
[10:04] <noname> that's what I need
[10:04] <meson10> noname: Hmm i am afarid i wouldn be able to help that much
[10:04] <meson10> :(
[10:04] <noname> no problem, I'll do it somehow anyway :)
[10:05] <meson10> Tm_T: now it sayd: No nvidia kernel module found
[10:05] <meson10> #ubuntu+1
[10:05] <meson10> oops.
[10:12] <meson10> Tm_T: any help?
[10:22] <Thomasu> nogle som kan hjlpe mig med trdls netvrk
[10:23] <Tm_T> !dk | Thomasu
[10:23] <ubotu> Thomasu: For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[10:24] <bazhang> swedish too?
[10:25] <Tm_T> bazhang: swedish?
[10:25] <bazhang> for the ! language command?
[10:25] <Tm_T> bazhang: sorry, I fail to understand what you are trying to say
[10:25] <bazhang> whoever wrote ubotu is a genius
[10:26] <Tm_T> !se | bazhang
[10:26] <ubotu> bazhang: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[10:26] <bazhang> Tm_T: right, thanks!
[10:26] <meson10> Tm_T: i am unable to fix it..can u help me?
[10:26] <Tm_T> meson10: sorry, I'm about to leave
[10:27] <bazhang> g'night.
[10:27] <meson10> Tm_T: when will u turn up nect?
[10:27] <meson10> next*
[10:27] <meson10> Tm_T: unfortuantely on any other channel people are not even responding
[10:28] <bazhang> meson10: it's the middle of the night for most of them; you have to take that into account..
[10:28] <bazhang> like 3 am or something..
[10:28] <Tm_T> bazhang: det var nnting
[10:29] <bazhang> Tm_T: Chinese?
[10:29] <Tm_T> er?
[10:29] <bazhang> Tm_T: what language is that?
[10:29] <Tm_T> svensk
[10:29] <Tm_T> swedish that is
[10:29] <bazhang> Tm_T: you speak it? wow.
[10:30] <Tm_T> bazhang: jag talar svenska bara lite
[10:30] <bazhang> I bet it means good night.
[10:30] <Tm_T> now time to go to University, see you kids later ->
[10:31] <bazhang> haha good day sir!
[10:37] <ko2jazz> hello
[10:37] <Thomasu> Hello i need help to kubuntu
[10:38] <bazhang> hello! welcome!
[10:38] <Thomasu> i need to install networkmanager
[10:38] <bazhang> Feisty?
[10:38] <Thomasu> how shall i do that
[10:38] <bazhang> which release? Feisty?
[10:38] <Thomasu> Linux Mce
[10:39] <bazhang> which is based on Feisty?
[10:39] <Thomasu> i dont know i am a linux newbee
[10:40] <bazhang> based on Ubuntu? Kubuntu?
[10:40] <Thomasu> Kubuntu
[10:41] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install knetwork-manager in the Konsole, followed by your password.
[10:42] <Thomasu> could find paccard
[10:42] <bazhang> ? could not find package?
[10:43] <Thomasu> jep
[10:43] <Thomasu> yes
[10:45] <Thomasu> i think i have a big problem
[10:45] <bazhang> Thomasu: sudo apt-get update then password then sudo apt-get upgrade, then try the earlier command.
[10:47] <Thomasu> the opdate take no arguments
[10:47] <bazhang> Thomasu: that's what it said?
[10:48] <Thomasu> yes
[10:49] <bazhang> Thomasu: how did you install kubuntu on your computer? was it part of the mythbuntu package, or something else?
[10:51] <Thomasu> i download a LinuxMce 7104 iso dvd on 4.3 GB
[10:52] <bazhang> can you give me some more details? what language did you install it in?
[10:52] <Thomasu> it is on english but i select danish
[10:53] <Thomasu> http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Version_0704
[10:53] <Thomasu> http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3764648/LinuxMCE_0704_Quick_Install_DVD.iso.3764648.TPB.torrent
[10:54] <bazhang> !dk
[10:54] <ubotu> For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[10:55] <Thomasu> did you need more of the version of Linux ??
[10:57] <bazhang> Thomasu: For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk
[11:00] <Thomasu> i did not need it on danish i need help on english
[11:01] <bazhang> thomas, perhaps #linux-mce
[11:01] <ardchoille> Thomasu: are you looking for networkmanager?
[11:01] <Thomasu> yes
[11:02] <ardchoille> Thomasu: It should already be installed on Kubuntu Feisty
[11:02] <Thomasu> ok how can i finmd it
[11:03] <ardchoille> Thomasu: It may be running. Open a terminal and type:  ps aux | grep networkmanager
[11:05] <bazhang> thanks ardchoille; not quite sure what to say there..haha
[11:06] <ardchoille> bazhang: Was I wrong?
[11:06] <Thomasu> i try
[11:06] <bazhang> ardchoille: no, I mean thanks for giving the technical info I had no idea about--cheers!
[11:07] <ardchoille> yw
[11:07] <oshiii-_^> night night
[11:07] <bazhang> g'night
[11:07] <ardchoille> Thomasu: Sorry, it's case-sensitive, type:  ps aux | grep NetworkManager
[11:09] <jussi01> hmmm, where is it I change whether kde displays that little bouncy thing.... (on the mouse)
[11:10] <ardchoille> jussi01: kcontrol > Preipherals > Mouse  see the bottom check box
[11:10] <jussi01> ardchoille: thanks
[11:10] <ardchoille> yw
[11:11] <bazhang> dang that was fast!
[11:12] <jussi01> ardchoille: that doesnt seem to work...
[11:12] <ardchoille> bazhang: You can also search for more than one running app with: ps aux | egrep "firefox|konversation"
[11:12] <tetreaul> anyone know if counterstrike will run in wine?
[11:12] <Thomasu>  | ???
[11:12] <Thomasu> how
[11:13] <Thomasu> make  |
[11:13] <jussi01> tetreaul: have you looked on winehq?
[11:13] <bazhang> ardchoille: you are the master of KDE--do you know how to get Konq to clear all cookies, history as in firefox..or just do it manually. Thanks!
[11:13] <jussi01> Thomasu: what language keyboard you have?
[11:13] <tetreaul> jussi01: I take it that's the website? :P I'll start there
[11:14] <ardchoille> bazhang: kcmshell privacy
[11:14] <ardchoille> bazhang: Choose what you want to clear
[11:14] <jussi01> tetreaul: there is a winehq database, with info on what games and progs work etc
[11:15] <bazhang> jussi01: I tried that ardchoille, but had no effect; perhaps I forgot to hit apply?..hhaha
[11:15] <ardchoille> hehe
[11:15] <jussi01> huh?
[11:15] <ardchoille> typo
[11:15] <bazhang> jussi01: sorry, systems ettings, mouse and keyboard mouse general bottom box is feedback on activation uncheck it.
[11:15] <tetreaul> jussi01: thanks!
[11:16] <bazhang> more like brain meltdown
[11:16] <jussi01> bazhang: I have done that... but I still get the bouncy icon...
[11:16] <ardchoille> bazhang: That's the same thing I told him
[11:16] <ardchoille> I just used kcontrol instead system settings
[11:17] <jussi01> same dog different leg... but it still doesnt fix it...
[11:17] <ardchoille> jussi01: did you click the Apply button?
[11:17] <bazhang> ardchoille: alt +f2 kcontrol? Thanks!\
[11:17] <ardchoille> yeah
[11:17] <ardchoille> That system settings gui was a huge mistake
[11:17] <ardchoille> causes confusion
[11:17] <bazhang> no doubt
[11:18] <jussi01> bazhang: hehehe.. of course i clicked apply...
[11:18] <bazhang> haha I didn't for something else...
[11:18] <ardchoille> jussi01: It works here. maybe you need to restart kde
[11:18] <jussi01> ardchoille: good point.... maybe...
[11:19] <lunz> can i recover back my deleted file from recycle bin?
[11:19] <Thomasu> now i have tryet
[11:19] <Thomasu> what shall i do know
[11:19] <lunz> can i recover back my deleted file from recycle bin?
[11:20] <jussi01> !repeat | lunz
[11:20] <ubotu> lunz: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:20] <sitaram> hello everyone; I might soon defect from Mandrake (after 8+ years!).  If I wanted to learn only one command line package mgmt tool, should I learn apt-get+apt-cache etc., or aptitude, for maximum features and flexibility?  (no GUIs, not even curses GUIs, please)
[11:20] <jussi01> sitaram: aptitude IMHO
[11:20] <llutz> sitaram: aptiude
[11:20] <llutz> +t
[11:20] <bazhang> apt-get!
[11:21] <noname> hello, I'm newbie to linux, what firewall would you recomend for using?
[11:21] <ardchoille> sitaram: apt-get, apt-cache, and apt-policy are great
[11:21] <Thomasu> bazhang i hace doit the
[11:21] <Thomasu> comand
[11:21] <ardchoille> !firewall | noname
[11:21] <ubotu> noname: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:21] <noname> thanks
[11:22] <meson10> hoqw do we configure kernel source files?
[11:22] <bazhang> noname: firestarter; for the next release app-armor will be availalbe Iirc.
[11:22] <bazhang> ugh new keyboard..
[11:22] <sitaram> great -- 2 votes on each side so far ;-)
[11:22] <bazhang> but some votes count more...haha
[11:22] <Thomasu> What shall i do Next ? to get my wireless network to work ????
[11:22] <llutz> sitaram: aptitude is the recommended tool for debian-systems, it has some smart features which make it imho more powerfull than apt-get. but it's up to you
[11:22] <ardchoille> sitaram: Perhaps you should try both apt-get and aptitude and see which one "feels" best to you
[11:23] <ardchoille> !wifi | Thomasu
[11:23] <ubotu> Thomasu: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:23] <bazhang> apt-get fewer letters!
[11:23] <sitaram> ardchoille: I started down that path, found myself torn, and decided to see what others think ;-)
[11:23] <khaije1> can anyody tell me what extents are and whats so good about them?
[11:24] <khaije1> w/ filesystems i mean
[11:24] <sitaram> llutz: this "recommended" part -- I assume that then holds true for (k)ubuntu also, right?
[11:24] <llutz> bazhang: but more commands to learn to to the same thing (apt-cache/policy)
[11:24] <bazhang> llutz: true...
[11:24] <ardchoille> sitaram: To be fair, uninstalling an app, its deps and purging config files is easier to type "aptitude purge app" than using "apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove app"
[11:24] <Thomasu> Command not found
[11:24] <llutz> sitaram: its just the recommendation of the debian-team, not kubuntu related but since ubuntu bases on debian...
[11:25] <sitaram> llutz: understood...
[11:26] <sitaram> ardchoille: that's what I thought too.  Let me re-phrase my question.  Before "--auto-remove" (I understand from some posts I read it's a fairly recent feature to apt-get), one could argue that there is definitely a *feature* difference.  Are there still any concrete feature differences?
[11:26] <bazhang> is there a channel for the linux ubuntu based media center?
[11:26] <bazhang> #apt-get?
[11:27] <sitaram> ardchoille: simple usability I can script around, but if a feature or facility is missing outright, that's a deciding issue.  And I figured I haven't been using kubuntu long enough to have come across all possible issues :-)
[11:27] <ardchoille> sitaram: yes, "auto-remove" is a fairly recent addition to apt-get, but I think it comes down to personal preference apt-get vs atptitude
[11:28] <bazhang> sitaram: I've been using just about a year, so take this with a huge grain of salt, but I have seen no added benefits either way--both are excellent and trouble free
[11:28] <ardchoille> well, aptitude can be set to remove deps automatically, whereas you have to add "--auto-remove" to apt-get
[11:28] <bazhang> linux about a year.ugh
[11:28] <ardchoille> I guess you could call that a "concrete feature"
[11:28] <Thomasu> hello some guy who can help med ?
[11:28] <Thomasu> me
[11:28] <sitaram> don't get me wrong -- eventually I will be able to pick up both, but in the beginning I prefer to stick to one command(-set)
[11:29] <ardchoille> Thomasu: Help you with wireless?
[11:29] <bazhang> apt-get for newer users aptitude for pros?
[11:29] <Thomasu> yes
[11:29] <ardchoille> Thomasu: Did you read that tutorial I linked you?
[11:29] <sitaram> bazhang: how about wannabe pros ;-)
[11:29] <Thomasu> yes but it will not work
[11:29] <bazhang> sitaram: don't try to fool me--you're a pro...
[11:30] <sitaram> bazhang: thanks!
[11:30] <bazhang> Thomasu: the link did not work?
[11:30] <Thomasu> i write ps aux | grep networkmanager
[11:30] <llutz> bazhang: you shouldn't mix usage of aptitude and apt-get. it MAY bring you into trouble because of differences in package-state handling
[11:31] <bazhang> llutz: I never mix..apt-get all the way here.
[11:32] <bazhang> llutz: thanks for pointing that out though...
[11:32] <bazhang> Thomasu: should be NetworkManager
[11:32] <sitaram> llutz: Good point -- I was actually going to ask this... do they keep state in different places?  Will the danger be restricted to not knowing which package is auto versus manually installed (which affects things like auto-remove), and so on, or will there be worse cruft in the package database?
[11:33] <Thomasu> Linuxmce 28351 ??
[11:35] <Thomasu> and what now ?
[11:35] <jussi01> !dk | Thomasu
[11:35] <ubotu> Thomasu: For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[11:36] <jussi01> Thomasu: if thats helpful maybe?
[11:36] <Thomasu> no
[11:37] <llutz> sitaram: there had been several online-discussions "aptitude vs apt-get", maybe try to read some for more detailed info.
[11:37] <sitaram> llutz: will do; actually have a few web pages open with google search results on those right now.
[11:38] <sitaram> I guess the consensus is that both are fine, so I'll probably start with aptitude, if only because it's one command versus 3 :-)
[11:38] <Thomasu> somebody who can tell me where my problem is on Kubuntu
[11:39] <sitaram> thanks everyone...
[11:39] <bazhang> see you around sitaram
[11:42] <knubbe> how do i forward more than one port with ssh?
[11:42] <knubbe> (tunnel)
[11:43] <Thomasu> some guy who can make me a guide to make the wireless network work in Kubuntu ????????????
[11:43] <bazhang> !wifi
[11:43] <knubbe> Thomasu: 7.10?
[11:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:44] <bazhang> Thomasu: the guide is there...
[11:44] <Thomasu> knubbe yes i think so
[11:44] <aftertaf> anyone good on hyperthreading?
[11:44] <bazhang> knubbe: no it's Feisty...linux-mce
[11:44] <knubbe> ok
[11:44] <bazhang> cheers though!
[11:45] <bazhang> Thomasu: did you read that guide?
[11:45] <Thomasu> i haved tryet a lot of commands and it will not work
[11:45] <Thomasu> yes i have 
[11:46] <bazhang> Thomasu: your answers are in that guide...
[11:47] <Thomasu> yes but it is not the samme linux i have there is a lot thing i not can find
[11:47] <Thomasu> on my computer
[11:47] <bazhang> Thomasu: and you have visited ubuntuforums? and asked questions there?
[11:48] <Thomasu> yes
[11:48] <Thomasu> i think i are verry clever
[11:49] <bazhang> and you have visited the linux-mce irc channel?
[11:49] <Thomasu> yes
[11:49] <ardchoille> Thomasu: If you want help with wireless, read the wifidocs page
[11:50] <Thomasu> i have doned 10 times but it will not work !!!
[11:52] <guille> how do i know if i succesfully uppgraded to 7.10?
[11:53] <bazhang> lsb_release -a in the terminal
[11:53] <ardchoille> guille: Open a terminal and type: lsb_release -a | grep Release
[11:54] <ardchoille> or uname -a would work too
[11:54] <guille> it says 7.04
[11:55] <guille> when i a minute ago restarted from the uppgrading tool
[11:55] <bazhang> guille: how did you try to upgrade?
[11:55] <ardchoille> guille: What does it say for "uname -a" ?
[11:56] <guille> i uppgraded frpm 7.04 using adept manager
[11:56] <bazhang> is that possible?
[11:56] <bazhang> guille: did you change your repository list?
[11:56] <guille> gor myname-a it says command not found
[11:56] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[11:56] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:57] <guille> i am new to linux
[11:57] <guille> i dont have idea what a repository list is
[11:57] <ardchoille> guille: type in: uname -a
[11:57] <bazhang> guille: that should be u and not my
[11:57] <ardchoille> I don't think you upgraded
[11:57] <guille> and i clicked change, replace and yes to everything i saw, while using the uppgrading tool
[11:57] <guille> well now when i get into adeot manager to uppgrade agian it says, your system is up to date
[11:58] <guille> this is what i get
[11:58] <guille> Linux guillermoz 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:58] <ardchoille> guille: yes, you upgraded to the latest versions of your apps, but you didn't upgrade to 7.10
[11:58] <bazhang> guille: a repository is where the software for that particualr release is kept; different ones for each release--if you don't change the list then no upgrade to the next (now beta) release.
[11:58] <guille> thet last is from uname -a
[11:58] <ardchoille> guille: You're still on Fesity
[11:59] <ardchoille> !upgrade | guille
[11:59] <ubotu> guille: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:00] <guille> and how do i do that if it not via, new verison button that is in adept manager?
[12:00] <bazhang> wait until 10/18 or later.
[12:00] <guille> i checked the kubunto homepage and did everything they told me to
[12:00] <guille> il wait then, hopefully the system will wrok
[12:01] <bazhang> it will...
[12:01] <Gladius> where can I get help on Amarok?   I cant seem to play any streaming music
[12:02] <bazhang> #amarok?
[12:02] <Gladius> ok....now i feel like an 1d10t
[12:02] <Gladius> thanks
[12:02] <bazhang> don't..
[12:02] <bazhang> no problem
[12:03] <bazhang> the early worms get the kernel...
[12:08] <guille> is rthere any way to seeing what procceses are running?
[12:08] <guille> i try to run the commmadn kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[12:08] <guille> but adept manager never opens,
[12:13] <Tm_T> bazhang: ?
[12:14] <bazhang> Tm_T: just wishing you were here to advise a Danish speaker...sorry..didn't mean to disturb you..
[12:14] <Tm_T> you didnt disturb
[12:14] <guille> wht ahould i get if i run theis command
[12:14] <guille> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[12:15] <bazhang> guille: you could try the command 'top' in the Konsole to see what's running.
[12:17] <guille> im my console tell me that i have 7.04 intalled
[12:18] <guille> and then when i try to update using version upgrade it tells me welcome to 7.04 hat might be wrong?
[12:18] <bazhang> guille: you want to upgrade to the new beta?
[12:18] <guille> well i would like that
[12:18] <guille> but i guss i better wait
[12:19] <guille> the truth is, i dont like linux much
[12:19] <guille> it hasnot worked as i expected it to
[12:19] <bazhang> guille: it's still a beta; 10/18 is the final release..
[12:19] <guille> too much problem all the time
[12:19] <guille> well that is a week from now i guess i can wait
[12:19] <bazhang> guille: what problems?
[12:20] <guille> my webcam it's not supported
[12:20] <bazhang> oh.
[12:20] <guille> i cant do anything with shockplay
[12:20] <mushroom_> so you usually use windows before,guille?
[12:20] <guille> i use windows all the time yes
[12:20] <guille> but my pc is kind of old 3 or 4 years
[12:20] <guille> and it is really slow wih xp
[12:20] <bazhang> guille: what's shockplay--or is that shockwave?
[12:20] <guille> so i tryed kubuntu and it is fast as hell
[12:21] <guille> shockwave i emeant
[12:21] <guille> the grub list drives me crazy
[12:21] <bazhang> guille: me too
[12:21] <guille> i change it and change it and kubuntu is allwasy changing itself to first option
[12:21] <mushroom_> I guess that might be a software created by MacroMedia
[12:21] <guille> mp3 dont work,
[12:22] <bazhang> now adobe
[12:22] <mushroom_> yeah,Adobe.huh~
[12:22] <guille> i have to intall somenew library to amarok, and i dont even know how
[12:22] <bazhang> guille: mp3? really--there is asimple fix for that...
[12:22] <guille> the same thing with videos
[12:22] <bazhang> and videos too.
[12:22] <guille> i allways have to restart x.server i think it is called if i want to se anything
[12:23] <bazhang> guille: do you want to come over to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:23] <guille> they have linux at the university
[12:23] <guille> and there it works perfectly
[12:23] <mushroom_> you didn't install any codes into your linux.so that's the reason why those medias don't work
[12:23] <guille> dont know what linux is though, but it is pretty close to this one and using kde
[12:23] <bazhang> guille?
[12:23] <apparle> how to play .rmvb in kaffiene
[12:23] <vez> can linux read ntfs
[12:24] <bazhang> vlc
[12:24] <guille> i love it there, cos it fast, and if i need windows, i can run windows in the command terminal and it opens a new window with windos in ti, lovely
[12:24] <bazhang> vez: yes
[12:24] <mushroom_> I use realplayer.
[12:24] <bazhang> guille: #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:24] <guille> ??
[12:25] <bazhang> guille: type /join #kubuntu-offtopic  and then we can discuss these things there
[12:26] <guille> i am there
[12:26] <apparle> there is an option in "xine engine parameters -> decoders -> path of codecs"
[12:27] <apparle> how to download real player codecs for the xine engine
[12:27] <vez> so if I hook up ntfs drive can I format and partition from within kubuntu???
[12:27] <bazhang> guille: I can give you some suggestions in the other channel, if you wish..
[12:28] <guille> well i would love that bazhang
[12:28] <guille> i am there... i guess
[12:28] <vez> without any extra software???
[12:28] <dwidmann> vez: you'll probably need something like ntfs-3g ...
[12:28] <dwidmann> !ntfs-3g
[12:28] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[12:28] <vez> k thx a bunch
[12:28] <bazhang> guille: you need to join it first; just type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:29] <guille> yes i am there
[12:29] <guille> yes
[12:29] <apparle> how to read ext3 partition in Windows
[12:29] <guille>  /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:30] <guille> i am seeing 2 different rooms now
[12:30] <guille> kubuntu-offtopic? and kubuntu-offtopic
[12:30] <guille> i see you in kubuntu-offtopic
[12:31] <dwidmann> apparle: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[12:32] <dwidmann> apparie: note that it ignores file permissions, which is not exactly security friendly.
[12:33] <apparle> dwidmann : thanks. I will keep it in my mind
[12:34] <apparle> dwidmann: I want an ext3 reader not ext2 ??
[12:37] <guille> amarok mp3
[12:37] <jeri> hi everyone!
[12:37] <apparle> amarok mp3 ?? Whan do u want about it
[12:38] <apparle> guille:amarok mp3 ?? Whan do u want about it
[12:39] <guille> i need amarok to play mp3
[12:39] <guille> and adept manager tells me libxine1-ffmpeg does not exist
[12:39] <guille> or it does not show it anyway
[12:40] <Gladius> guille  go to #amarok
[12:41] <apparle> Open an mp3 file in amarok. It will tell that "mp3 codec not installed" , do u want to install . then install it
[12:41] <_Basti> hi
[12:41] <apparle> guille: Open an mp3 file in amarok. It will tell that "mp3 codec not installed" , do u want to install . then install it
[12:41] <guille> it allways cracshes there
[12:42] <dwidmann> apparle: it'll work, the only difference between ext2 and ext3 is that ext3 has a journal.
[12:42] <apparle> guille: Download libxin1-ffmpeg from http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libxine1-ffmpeg
[12:42] <apparle> dwidmann: OK
[12:43] <jeri> hi everyone!
[12:43] <dwidmann> hi there
[12:43] <apparle> guille : Go to adept and install libxine1-ffmpeg
[12:44] <jeri> what plugin do i need to run frostwire,i just installed it but doesnt seem to work
[12:44] <apparle> guille; Did u get it
[12:45] <jeri> the same goes to tvtime
[12:46] <jeri> what plugin do i need to run frostwire,i just installed it but doesnt seem to work
[12:46] <jeri> the same goes to tvtime
[12:47] <apparle> guille: did u get mp3 playing
[12:49] <sonoftheclayr> jeri: jre
[12:49] <jeri> me? yes
[12:49] <jeri> ive downloaded and installed jre
[12:49] <jeri> but doesnt seem to work for frostwire
[12:49] <apparle> I am having problem with Kmix and OSS. When I run Kmix i get an error related to /usr/lib/libasound.so
[12:50] <jeri> and on konqueror it cannot play flash vids from youtube
[12:51] <dwidmann> apparle: interesting that you mention the problem is with oss, because asound = alsa sound
[12:53] <apparle> dwidmann: As soon as I install OSS drivers kmix stops working. but when I reinstall the alsalib it starts. Funny thing is it stops after every restart
[12:54] <dwidmann> apparle: does sound stop working, or just kmix?
[12:54] <apparle> only kmix
[12:54] <apparle> dwidmann: Only kmix
[12:54] <dwidmann> does alsamixer still work?
[12:55] <jeri> ive downloaded and installed jre
[12:55] <dwidmann> wait, that's my dumbest question ever
[12:55] <jeri> but doesnt seem to work for frostwire
[12:55] <dwidmann> d'oh
[12:55] <jeri> but doesnt seem to work for frostwire
[12:55] <jeri> and on konqueror it cannot play flash vids from youtube
[12:56] <apparle> dwidmann:i am using OSS because alsamixer says : alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:56] <dwidmann> jeri: I think that problem is fixed in kde 3.5.7 if you've not already upgraded.
[12:57] <apparle> how can I get external realplayer codecs for xine engine. I use amd64
[12:58] <dwidmann> apparle: first place I would look would be http://mplayerhq.hu/
[12:58] <ardchoille_> !restricted | apparle
[12:58] <ubotu> apparle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:00] <jeri> you mean my kde is not upgraded?
[01:00] <apparle> ubotu: i prefer free formats only. But I have got a file in .rmvb
you mean my kde is not upgraded? i use dapper drake 6.06 Lts
[01:02] <dwidmann> jeri, in any kde app, go to help -> about kde and it'll show you the version
[01:03] <jumped> hi all.  Loving Kubuntu!  finally after 6 years I found the Linux for me =D
[01:04] <jumped> one question about fonts in VNC.  my fonts are odd.  they are all ok character wise, but "thin" characters like an "i" or "l" are non-visible but there.
[01:04] <jeri> ok thnx
[01:04] <apparle> dwidmann: what about kmix problem
[01:04] <jumped> any way to change to another font set?  i followed the "setting resumable sessions on Kubuntu thread".  the only change I saw for fonts was under using vnc4sever setup instead of Xvnc server?
[01:05] <jeri> how do i upgrade my kde? pls..
[01:05] <dwidmann> apparle: I've no idea :s
[01:05] <Sinkro63> Hi. I have problem with resolving host-name when I'm connected with VPN (pptp)
[01:05] <dwidmann> jeri: should be able to find instructions on http://www.kubuntu.org, just look for one of the posts about a new version of kde
[01:06] <jeri> thx alot! :)
[01:07] <jumped> I'm using this font directory in the Xvnc server setup----> /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc
[01:10] <Sinkro63> Hi. I have problem with resolving host-name when I'm connected with VPN (pptp)
[01:14] <Yammeh> Hey guys, I need to some mounting a drive that's in NTFS, I've read the forums and tried doing what they say and no data is showing on the drive. The drives were spanned using Vista's disk management tool, could that be a reason why I'm having trouble mounting them in kubuntu?
[01:23] <sandro__> ciao a tutti!!!!
[01:30] <atlfalcons866> can i install kubuntu on an ntfs
[01:41] <sbucatino> #alsa
[01:54] <Ayabara> you guys use thunderbird/firefox? do you use a specific font for GTK apps?
[02:17] <sbucatino> toshiba support?
[02:17] <sbucatino> my estra key don t work
[02:24] <vez> amarock is crashing alot can someone recomend replacement pls new to linux and kubuntu.
[02:26] <sbucatino> amarock never crashed
[02:26] <sbucatino> :D
[02:27] <ardchoille_> vez: xmms
[02:28] <ardchoille_> sudo apt-get xmms
[02:28] <sbucatino> mm
[02:28] <ardchoille> sorry,  sudo apt-get install xmms
[02:28] <sbucatino> amarock is nice it can crash if you have not mp3 plug-in and you try to listen mp3
[02:29] <sbucatino> i am in gutsy and it never crash
[02:29] <Yammeh> Can you guys try and help me mount my ntfs drives?
[02:29] <Yammeh> I'd read through the faqs
[02:29] <Yammeh> and I'm getting a wierd error
[02:30] <vez> it plays mp3s fine thx for the advice
[02:30] <Yammeh> I think it might have something to do with how they were setup in vista before I installed kubuntu
[02:30] <sbucatino> mm
[02:30] <sbucatino> vista
[02:30] <sbucatino> omg the hell name
[02:30] <sbucatino> vista
[02:31] <sbucatino> :P
[02:31] <ardchoille> Back in a bit
[02:31] <Yammeh> I had the drives spanned using vista's disk manager.. could that be a reason for why it won't mount?
[02:31] <sbucatino> Yammeh: i think no if it is a ntfs is a ntfs and stop
[02:32] <sbucatino> !ntfs
[02:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:32] <Yammeh> I've tried that, can I paste the error I'm getting?
[02:32] <sbucatino> !paste
[02:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:33] <Yammeh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40055/
[02:38] <sbucatino> Yammeh: mm  sudo mount -a are you sure about that? ( i use only ubuntu...deleted vista :D
[02:39] <sbucatino> sudo fdisk -l
[02:39] <Yammeh> sudo mount -a checks to see if the mount is correct according to the faq
[02:39] <sbucatino> sudo fdisk -l
[02:39] <sbucatino> in paste
[02:40] <Yammeh> Maybe I should just try to use ntfs-3g anyway, since I'm going to want to keep the drives and write to them
[02:41] <Yammeh> !ntfs-3g
[02:41] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:42] <sbucatino> of course
[02:43] <Yammeh> I'll have a look at it in a sec. I'm a total linux noob, just trying to find out what to big deal about it is :P
[02:44] <sbucatino> mm you must mount your windows partition then you must do what the last link say to write into ntfs partition
[02:44] <JuJuBee> I need a hand with a firewall issue.  I have iptables grabbing all traffic and funneling to squid/dansguardian.  Everything was working fine when I left school on Friday.  Today when I returned, nobody can get to the internet.  I can from the DG/Squid/IPTables server and the students can get to the server from the workstations, but not through the server./..
[02:45] <JuJuBee> I have a rule that does not forward my IP address to the filter, it just lets it through but even that is not working.
[02:45] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: i use guarddog...very easy
[02:45] <JuJuBee> What is guarddog?
[02:46] <JuJuBee> filter or firewall or both
[02:46] <sbucatino> cof cof a graphical interface for iptable
[02:46] <sbucatino> jujubee sudo apt-get install guarddog
[02:46] <sbucatino> then you can decide to keep or delete it
[02:47] <JuJuBee> I am using webmin to manage iptables.
[02:47] <JuJuBee> I like it.  I tried to restore from the last working backup of iptables, but still same results.  Something is fishy...
[02:49] <sbucatino> but....have you enabled dns ?
[02:49] <sbucatino> http and https ?
[02:50] <sbucatino> mm ok
[02:50] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: i want know but network connection works or not?
[02:51] <sbucatino> have you checked because if you have restore from the laste working backup
[02:51] <sbucatino> it cannot be firewall problem
[02:52] <jeri_> where and how do i install flash player?
[02:52] <JuJuBee> Sorry, was checking something.  What is it that you want to know?
[02:52] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: i want know, internet connection works or not from the server
[02:53] <JuJuBee> My workstations can get to my webserver via IP.  my webserver is also my iptables/squid/dansguardian server...(2 NIC's)
[02:53] <jeri_> where and how do i install flash player?
[02:53] <sbucatino> no
[02:53] <JuJuBee> My webserver can browse the internet fine.
[02:53] <sbucatino> mm
[02:53] <CPrompt^> !flash
[02:53] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:53] <cherva> can someone tell me a nice program for music makeing
[02:54] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: can you disable the firewall for a while an try to see if it is the problem?
[02:54] <JuJuBee> Dont  I need iptables to forward traffic to the internet
[02:54] <CPrompt^> cherva : can you give a little more on what you want?  Are you talking about making "sheet music" or mixing?
[02:55] <JuJuBee> what rules (minimum) would I need to use this server as gateway?
[02:55] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: firewall is only to filter
[02:56] <JuJuBee> sbucatino : how do I turn off iptalbes?  I can stop dansguardian and squid.
[02:56] <JuJuBee> *iptables
[02:56] <cherva> CPrompt: something like reason
[02:57] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: i dont know i have guarddog to set iptables and with guarddog there is that option
[02:57] <JuJuBee> OK< let me   install guarddog...
[02:58] <JuJuBee> brb
[02:58] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: mm i dont know your problem very well i hope you know what you are doing
[02:58] <CPrompt^> cherva : sorry I can't really help on that.  I was hoping it was for sheet music.  :(
[02:58] <JuJuBee> I understand the rules for iptables if that is what you mean...
[02:58] <JuJuBee> Setting up guarddog (2.5.0-1ubuntu1) ...
[02:58] <JuJuBee> Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist
[03:01] <JuJuBee> Don't think I need guarddog, I had squid/dansguardian and iptables working fine.  I Think there was a power outage over the weekend.
[03:01] <CPrompt^> cherva : have never used it but have heard a lot of people talk about Audacity.
[03:02] <Yammeh> audacity if you ripping music apart I think
[03:03] <sbucatino> JuJuBee: you can kill iptable maybe from ksysguad
[03:04] <sbucatino> but i repeat i don t know very well your problem
[03:11] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[03:11] <CPrompt^> greetings BluesKaj :)
[03:12] <BluesKaj> hi CPrompt^ :)
[03:16] <Yammeh> Anyone able to try and assist me with mounting my ntfs drive please? I've tried these tutorials and I'm getting errors :[
[03:16] <CPrompt^> i gave up  LOL
[03:16] <Yammeh> I've got like 250 gb of data on them though
[03:17] <Yammeh> Infact, I've got 2 and one of them is working I think
[03:18] <BluesKaj> Yammeh, first of all we have to ask the obvious question ...do you have ntfs-3g installed ?
[03:18] <Yammeh> Yes
[03:19] <BluesKaj> ok, what about ntfs-config?
[03:19] <CPrompt^> hmmm....these may have been my problem all along
[03:20] <Yammeh> Yes, but it doesn't seem to work. I click the option in the K-menu and nothing loads
[03:20] <Yammeh> think it's worth me trying to uninstall and reinstall it?
[03:21] <BluesKaj> yes Yammeh,but make sure you use the same app to uninstall as was used to install
[03:21] <BluesKaj> BB in 2 mins
[03:24] <Yammeh> blueskaj, I've just reinstalled both ntfs-3g and ntfs-config
[03:24] <Yammeh> and ntfs-config still doesn't seem to do anything
[03:28] <BluesKaj> Yammeh, try to run it from the konsole and post the output on pastebin
[03:28] <Yammeh> Wierd, it works now
[03:28] <Yammeh> Although, I can't select "Enable support for internal device", only external..
[03:29] <BluesKaj> prolly cuz you have only one partition on the master drive
[03:29] <BluesKaj> and it sees the 2nd HDD as an external
[03:30] <Yammeh> Well I used a span to combine the drives using vista drive manager, which I think is what's screwing things up
[03:30] <BluesKaj> oh well , yes
[03:30] <Yammeh> I've got 3 drives in total, OS is on one, and 2 data drives which were spanned
[03:31] <BluesKaj> to what file system are the data drives formatted ?
[03:31] <Yammeh> ntfs
[03:32] <Yammeh> The os one is running the linux file system, ext3 is it?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> hmm, kind of a unique situation with which I have no experience :(
[03:33] <BluesKaj> yes, kubuntu is ext3
[03:33] <Yammeh> Ok, think it's worth me dual booting vista to sort out the drives and then removing vista?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> not if you want to keep vista
[03:34] <Yammeh> There are people who will be able to assist me, then?
[03:34] <Yammeh> I'm not really interested in keeping vista tbh
[03:35] <biopod> Hi all.
[03:35] <BluesKaj> yes, there are but a little patience is in order
[03:35] <Yammeh> That's cool
[03:35] <BluesKaj> I"ve got some chores to do ...BBL
[03:36] <biopod> !ntfs
[03:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:40] <thomas__> !grub
[03:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:49] <xevious> can anyone recommend a printer/copier/fax that's linux friendly and prints photos well?
[03:49] <thomas__> most hp series
[03:49] <thomas__> canon
[03:50] <thomas__> xevious: look for a printer you like and then check the INTERNETZ whether it's supported by linux
[03:50] <xevious> yeah that's the logical way to do things
[03:51] <xevious> just wondering if anyone had one that works well
[03:51] <xevious> i like hearing about personal experience
[03:51] <Yammeh> thomas_, do you know anything about ntfs drives?
[03:51] <xevious> but i guess i'll start digging
[03:52] <thomas__> Yammeh: a little, just ask ;-)
[03:52] <xevious> Yammeh: i just had to deal with ntfs a bunch because - get this - my reiserfs raid5 array crashed and the only program that could recover it to a disk image was a windows app
[03:52] <thomas__> lol
[03:52] <thomas__> ok
[03:52] <xevious> recovered a 1.2tb raid array though
[03:52] <xevious> without any corruption
[03:52] <xevious> i was stunned
[03:52] <thomas__> nice
[03:53] <Yammeh> Well I had a 2 drives spanned using windows vista drive management and I'm trying to get them mounted in kubuntu
[03:53] <thomas__> add this line to your /etc/fstab
[03:53] <xevious> well actually the first thing you need is dmraid i think
[03:53] <thomas__>  /dev/sda1 /media/sda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[03:54] <xevious> because the first obstacle is getting linux to understand the software raid array
[03:54] <thomas__> ah in raid
[03:54] <thomas__> uhm, no idea :/
[03:54] <xevious> i had to use dmraid to get it to see my nvidia raid, but i _think_ dmraid also supports the windows software raid
[03:55] <Yammeh> It was a software raid though, it wasn't setup through the bios
[03:55] <Yammeh> I think sda1 is working, but it has no data in it..
[03:55] <xevious> no no no
[03:56] <xevious> stop trying to do anything with individual drives
[03:56] <Yammeh> ok
[03:56] <xevious> you could corrupt stuff
[03:56] <xevious> http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man8/dmraid.8.php
[03:56] <Yammeh> Well my other drive is 320gb and it's showing as like 110 I think
[03:56] <xevious> Yammeh: are you friendly with the command prompt?
[03:57] <Yammeh> "friendly" I'm a noob at linux, but I've picked bits up
[03:57] <xevious> ok
[03:57] <xevious> i'm assuming you're using kubuntu since you're in this channel?
[03:57] <Yammeh> Yes
[03:57] <xevious> both of the ntfs drives are plugged in?
[03:57] <Yammeh> ok, installed dmraid
[03:57] <xevious> shall we take this to private message?
[03:57] <Yammeh> Yes
[03:58] <Yammeh> If you don't mind
[03:59] <xevious> ok. freenode's telling me i'm not registered.
[04:00] <uberDirk> senorpedro loves gnome
[04:00] <senorpedro> no, thats a lie!!!
[04:00] <senorpedro> i dont luv gnome, i just had an affair with it
[04:00] <senorpedro> but there were no feelings involved!
[04:00] <senorpedro> my heart belongs 2 kde 4 eva!
[04:01] <miket> <3 kubuntu, ill never cheat on KDE
[04:01] <xevious> Yammeh: can you see my private messages?
[04:01] <xevious> n/m :)
[04:02] <miket> i installed kubuntu on my stove and used it to cook these eggs and ham im eating
[04:02] <carwash^> miket: that happened to me once too, speedstep wasn't working correctly...
[04:02] <miket> hehe
[04:27] <sergio_> hi all
[04:27] <Yammeh> !paste
[04:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:27] <sergio_> I have a problem, I can't play sounds from java applets in konqueror...
[04:31] <RurouniJones> How do you execute a command like export form within a shell script?
[04:34] <CPrompt^> RurouniJones : not sure what you mean by "export".
[04:35] <RurouniJones> I just want to a command from within a shell script
[04:36] <RurouniJones> for example: export VARIABLE="blah"
[04:36] <RurouniJones> to set an environment variable
[04:41] <poison--> mornin
[04:41] <poison-->  there a way to recover kubuntu to a back state?
[04:41] <poison--> is there*
[04:41] <CPrompt^> RurouniJones : just make the first line #!/bin/bash and then just have the export Variable=blah
[04:41] <CPrompt^> from the terminal just run it as ./myscript
[04:42] <arnoldk67> Hello, I have a problem with my kubuntu system. Sometimes when I use application which need a lot of resources the systems is very slow as if it would run out of memory. Now I saw in the kde info-center, that the swap memory is not available. Is there a way to activate it?
[04:42] <poison--> !ntfs
[04:42] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:44] <RurouniJones> CPrompt^: Ta, looking at a "Shell scripting for idiots" page
[04:44] <emilsedgh> is ntfs-3g enabled as default in gutsy?
[04:44] <henrik_> hi
[04:48] <Homoludens> hi everyone. quick question: could someone explain to me how to set konqueror as the default file manager? (it's actually a gutsy question, i suppose, sorry for that, but there's no one on the other channel at the moment .... ). many thanks!
[04:54] <arnoldk67> hello my swap memory has gone although I created a swap partition during installation. Any ideas what could have happened? And how I could make the swap partition work again?
[04:55] <s0undt3ch> Homoludens: go to the kcontrol and set the inode file type, make directories open with conqueror
[04:55] <s0undt3ch> Homoludens: theres a link for that
[04:55] <s0undt3ch> let me see if I can find it
[04:56] <Homoludens> s0undt3ch: thanks. would be great if you could give me the link.
[04:56] <s0undt3ch> Homoludens: ah ha! -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=483897
[04:57] <s0undt3ch> Homoludens: of course do that for konqueror instead of dolphin ;)
[04:57] <Homoludens> s0undt3ch: magnifico! thanks a lot.
[04:57] <s0undt3ch> Homoludens: tuga?
[04:58] <Homoludens> s0undt3ch: um ... no, sorry :)
[04:58] <Homoludens> s0undt3ch: just popped into my head.
[04:58] <s0undt3ch> heh, "magnifico" got me there :)
[04:58] <Homoludens> s0undt3ch: perhaps in a previous life ... ;)
[04:59] <s0undt3ch> who knows ;)
[05:10] <Badragon> hello
[05:11] <Badragon> could someone please help me with the midnight commander?
[05:11] <Badragon> I am a new user
[05:13] <Vermux> !metameter
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metameter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <Vermux> !meta meter
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meta meter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <Vermux> !metabar
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metabar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <Vermux> !meta bar
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meta bar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <trevor_> I gots bad problems...
[05:16] <trevor_> I'm about to loose my windows partition with all my stuff...
[05:16] <WaltzingAlong> better than good problems i suppose
[05:17] <WaltzingAlong> trevor_: how so?
[05:17] <trevor_> It's saying that the filesystem may be corrupt...
[05:17] <trevor_> It's not registering as NTFS anymore...
[05:17] <trevor_> I think that I accidentally put grub on the first partition, and not the third.
[05:17] <CPrompt^> trevor_ : you can still get the info off of it probably.  Haven't had one fail on me that I couldn't at least get the info off of
[05:18] <trevor_> Okay...  How do I do it?
[05:18] <Vermux> what is meta bar?
[05:18] <fay2007> got my kubuntu box running with nokia e-gprs connection. but the problem is i can ping www.google.com but konqueror won't go there. can someone help?
[05:18] <trevor_> fay2007: Sorry...  I used motorola phonetools to do that...
[05:19] <trevor_> How do I recover my data?...
[05:19] <CPrompt^> trevor_ : a few different way really.  Is this just one hardrive?  If so, you can get an IDE -> USB device that will mount the hard drive as a USB drive and you can extract it that way.  Usually works 95% of the time for me
[05:19] <trevor_> I only have one drive.  This is just another partition...
[05:19] <CPrompt^> trevor_ : now, I have always used a different box to try to extract the drive from
[05:20] <trevor_> I have about 65 gigs to vista, 10 to linux, and I store all my stuff on the vista drive...
[05:20] <CPrompt^> trevor_ : did you have the drive mounted before?
[05:20] <fay2007> so where can i talk about if needed somewhere else about this e-gprs "can ping but won't go"
[05:21] <trevor_> When I try to mount it, it says mount failure.  I've mounted it before just fine.  Not written to it, but that's another story...
[05:22] <trevor_> fay2007: you might want to call up nokia..  Last time I checked, they had free tech support...  They may know more about this than we do...
[05:23] <trevor_> I'm going to try a forced mount?
[05:23] <CPrompt^> trevor_: if you had access to another box, it would be easier ;)  I'm going to try this program http://findandmount.com (windows though) and see how it works out.
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: you should have installed grub to the MBR I think, not a partition. You likely wrote over the file allocation tables on the partition, as well as the partition info.
[05:24] <fay_elf> trevor: i think this is just something to do with browser since dns is working
[05:24] <fay_elf> trevor: gonna try out firefox now
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> Your best bet first would be if you have an external USB hd with as much capacity would be to make an image of the partition you are working on.
[05:24] <Vermux> does anybody knoww what is the purpose of Meta bar, and why some of the words there uncleared???
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> Then you'll probably want to use fdisk and try to change the partition type back to NTFS, that may be good enough to get it to mount.
[05:25] <trevor_> Okay...  I was borrowing my roommates external to make a backup, but he wanted it back, so I deleted my backups...
[05:25] <trevor_> How do I construct a disk image?
[05:26] <Vermux> uga: do u know what is the purpose of Meta bar, and why some of the words there uncleared???
[05:26] <CPrompt^> trevor_: might try a Knoppix live cd and see if you can access it that way.
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: sudo dd if=[src device]  of=[destination file] 
[05:26] <trevor_> Okay..
[05:26] <trevor_> I think I can do it, but honestly, I'm going to cry...
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: for example for me to make an image of my windows partition to an external drive, dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/media/256Gext/XP-backup.img
[05:27] <Vermux> does anybody knoww what is the purpose of Meta bar in konqueror, and why some of the words there uncleared/scrambled???
[05:27] <trevor_> Okay...  .img?  Is that a standard format I can try to open with 7-zip, or ark?
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: no, it's a bit for bit copy of the partition.
[05:28] <Vermux> uga: there are some scrambled words there. it is in konqueror
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: it's possible some type of software on windows might be able to mount it like magicdisk or something?
[05:28] <trevor_> Shoot...  I had a disk mounting program at one point, but I can't remember the name...
[05:28] <trevor_> DAEMON!  Nevermind!
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: the main thing is to make that backup so if you try things on the real partition and screw it up worse you can go back to ground zero.
[05:29] <trevor_> Okay...
[05:29] <BluesKaj> hmm, the number keys on the left calc group no longer work ...what gives ?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: even if the partition can't be recovered certain types of data might be easy to pull off it with recovery programs which scan the drive looking for the magic bits at the beginning of certain types of files.
[05:30] <Phillipe_Savelko> Alguem brasileiro ae gente ?
[05:30] <BluesKaj> err, right calc group
[05:30] <JuJuBee> sbucatino_ : got the firewall working finally...
[05:30] <BluesKaj> !pt | Phillipe_Savelko
[05:30] <ubotu> Phillipe_Savelko: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:31] <Phillipe_Savelko> OBRIGADO!
[05:31] <jetsaredim> are there any reasonably fast mirrors of the beta iso out there?
[05:31] <trevor_> I went and purchased recovery software before, but it doesn't really work that well...
[05:32] <JuJuBee> I have an ATI Radeon Mobility 9700 in my laptop.  Should I be using the proprietary drivers or the onse included with the distro?  I am having difficulty with using a projector attached to my external vga port.
[05:33] <trevor_> If you want to use an external, you want to use proprietary...
[05:33] <CPrompt^> JuJuBee : have you checked out Envy?  It does a good job of downloading, installing and configuring video drivers
[05:33] <trevor_> I'm making the backup...
[05:33] <JuJuBee> CPrompt^ : I have not...
[05:33] <trevor_> jetsaredim: WOuld it have to do with any meta tags on a page?
[05:33] <JuJuBee> trevor_ : from experience or rumor?
[05:34] <trevor_> Um...
[05:34] <trevor_> Ati website, and general knowledge?
[05:34] <WaltzingAlong> !envy
[05:34] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:34] <trevor_> Mesa drivers don't know how to do opengl, and the external ports, but the proprietary don't support compiz...
[05:34] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: which problem using the projector? connect the projector then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: I'm trying to remember the name of the app, it's designed for recovering photo's but it does a lot more.
[05:35] <trevor_> LeeJunFan: Thanks...
[05:35] <jetsaredim> trevor_: i don't understand what meta tags have to do with downloading an iso
[05:35] <trevor_> LeeJunFan: It's constructing the image...
[05:35] <trevor_> jetsaredim: I don't know either...
[05:35] <trevor_> jetsaredim: Maybe that's why it's all messed up?  ^.^
[05:36] <JuJuBee> WaltzingAlong : I have the projector connected... The left side of my desktop is not being displayed.  I am currently set to 1280x800.  also the top 1/4 inch and same on bottom.
[05:36] <JuJuBee> I have tried to switch to 1024x768 with same results...
[05:36] <trevor_> JuJuBee: Which drivers are you using?  Mesa, or ATI?
[05:36] <JuJuBee> I would like to eventually span  so I can work on one thing and display another.
[05:36] <JuJuBee> AIT
[05:37] <CPrompt^> JuJuBee : http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html  give that a go.   It will recognize your card and do it for you ;)
[05:37] <JuJuBee> ATI
[05:37] <fay_elf> damn it my mouse has no power and i have no batteries =)
[05:37] <trevor_> Do you have fglrx-control?
[05:37] <WaltzingAlong> JuJuBee: perhaps you could change some settings with system settings / monitor and display / hardware, with monitor 1 and 2
[05:37] <trevor_> fay_elf: Don't think we can help with that one...  ^.^
[05:37] <JuJuBee> Tried, no luck
[05:38] <trevor_> JuJuBee: You want to use the ATI control panel, if you're using ATI drivers...
[05:38] <trevor_> sudo apt-get install fglrx-control
[05:38] <JuJuBee> Not usin the proprietary ones at the moment.
[05:38] <jetsaredim> JuJuBee: you should be
[05:38] <trevor_> JuJuBee: Wait...
[05:39] <trevor_> JuJuBee: You just said you were using the ATI drivers....  Or, were you just saying that that's the card?
[05:39] <trevor_> JuJuBee: Which drivers are you using for your card?
[05:39] <jetsaredim> JuJuBee: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#ATI
[05:39] <JuJuBee> When I configure xserver, I selected ATI.  I did not download the proprietary drivers from ATI.
[05:40] <trevor_> JuJuBee: Well, lets do that...   ^.^
[05:40] <jetsaredim> check out the xorg settings there
[05:40] <trevor_> JuJuBee: It's not too hard...
[05:40] <JuJuBee> Should I download the drivers from ATI then?
[05:40] <trevor_> Yeah...
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> I knew I had it written down in a knote somewhere ;)
[05:40] <trevor_> Run, sudo apt-get install xorg-drivers-fglrx
[05:40] <trevor_> I think...
[05:40] <jetsaredim> you can get dual monitors working with the open source ati drivers
[05:40] <trevor_> LeeJunFan: Thank you!
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: you might want to look at their other product: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[05:42] <trevor_> LeeJunFan: OH!  IT"S GPL!
[05:42] <jetsaredim> JuJuBee: also note that on the ati desktop cards you need to have something connected to each adapter in order to get signal from it
[05:42] <trevor_> LeeJunFan: YOU don't know how long I've been looking for one of these that are Open Source!
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: yeah, testdisk is in the repos, but photorec isn't.
[05:43] <jetsaredim> I was beating my head against the wall for a couple days trying to figure out why I couldn't get dual head working on my X300
[05:43] <JuJuBee> jetsaredim : I am using a laptop with an external vga connector.
[05:43] <Goodgame> Hi, I've got a problem, Kmail is installed but it's not in my Kmenu, what's the problem?
[05:43] <jetsaredim> but I had to have both outputs connected at boot for the card to push video on both adapters
[05:43] <JuJuBee> Do I need to install MergedFB
[05:44] <BluesKaj> Goodgame, run it fr0om the konsole then relogin and it should be in the k-menu
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: install testdisk, photorec comes with it.
[05:44] <jetsaredim> Goodgame: its under groupware
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> trevor_: sudo apt-get install testdisk
[05:44] <jetsaredim> should be office->groupware or something like that
[05:45] <Goodgame> it should be in internet -> Kmail but it isnt
[05:45] <Vermux> which way is better to install software? Adept or the developer site?
[05:45] <Goodgame> Vermux Adept
[05:45] <jetsaredim> Goodgame: i don't have that
[05:45] <trevor_> LeeJunFan: !
[05:45] <Vermux> Goodgame: why ?
[05:46] <trevor_> Goodgame: Might be Kontact...
[05:46] <Goodgame> But there must be a way to have this fucking Kmail
[05:46] <stdin> !ohmy | Goodgame
[05:46] <ubotu> Goodgame: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:46] <trevor_> Goodgame:  I think Kmail is part of Kontact...
[05:46] <Goodgame> I can launch it with alt + f2
[05:47] <rjune> kmail is used by kontact, it is however a standalone program.
[05:47] <rjune> kontact can be found under office.
[05:47] <Vermux> which way is better to install software? Adept or the developer site?
[05:47] <rjune> adept
[05:48] <Goodgame> alt + f2 and I write Kmail and Kmail start, there's an help to install my mail, when i do it with Kontact I cant
[05:48] <elfstoned> hi.. is there a good guess, when 7.10 will be released? i know it will be released, when its finished, but maybe you have more experience with kubuntu-release-cycles, is it more like days or more like months?
[05:48] <trevor_> 7.10 will be released in 8 days...
[05:48] <trevor_> The new versions come out every six months...
[05:48] <trevor_> I went and installed the beta...
[05:48] <Goodgame> ubotu, sorry but it makes 1 hour that I'm trying to do that, and it's verry tiring to me to read all those english senteces
[05:49] <Goodgame> putin c'est un bot
[05:49] <Vermux> rjune: why?
[05:49] <trevor_> If you have kubuntu, go to kubuntu.com, and click on upgrade from 7.04
[05:49] <trevor_> Goodgame: Ubotu is a bot... It's programmed to yell at you...  Pay it no nevermind...
[05:49] <stdin> !fr
[05:49] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:49] <Goodgame> trevor_ yeah he told me :p
[05:50] <elfstoned> trevor_: no, i dont have kubuntu, im planning to install it, and dont want to install 7.04 when 7.10 is so close to release
[05:50] <rjune> Vermux: the pkging system knows about it, it's been tested and usually gets some bugfixes, basic configuration to get it working is usually done
[05:50] <elfstoned> so i better wait a few more days
[05:50] <trevor_> elfstoned: It's designed to be completely upgradeable...  I upgraded last night...
[05:50] <achilles> hey all
[05:51] <achilles> I cant run beryl or compiz on my latest Interl 845GCNL core 2duo box
[05:51] <elfstoned> trevor_: well, many things are designed to work without problems, but i can wait, its not urgent
[05:51] <Vermux> rjune: so as a basic rule can I say :"dont install anything that cannot be found in Adept? do u know abour exceptions?
[05:51] <elfstoned> as long as it wont be months..
[05:51] <achilles> the screen turns white when i select Beryl or Compiz
[05:53] <giuseppe> does someone know how to change openoffice icons? i downloaded icons from kde-look
[05:53] <rjune> Vermux: a good basic rule is "if the package manager knows about it, use it"
[05:54] <rjune> there are always exceptions, sometimes the pkger goofed and it's a bum release.
[05:54] <trevor_> elfstoned: Just about a week...  ^.^
[05:54] <trevor_> achilles: Mine does that too...  ATI?
[05:55] <Vermux> what's the difference between package and repository?
[05:55] <rjune> a package is one program, a repository is a collection of package
[05:55] <rjune> packages
[05:55] <trevor_> Package is a piece of software. Repo is where they're located...
[05:55] <achilles> can anybody give me guidance on making beryl or compiz work
[05:56] <trevor_> achilles: I need it too...  I think it has something to do with ati cards, and proprietary drivers...
[05:57] <Vermux> when I click   on "fetch updates" what is it downloading? I didnt chose anything
[05:57] <achilles> trevor_: well it worked fine on my 7 yrs old laptop
[05:57] <achilles> Intel 845 chipset i bought 945GCNL and it wont work
[05:57] <trevor_> Vermux: It's getting the lists of packages on the repositories...
[05:58] <trevor_> Vermux: Then it's going to check and see if any new ones can replace the ones you have...
[05:58] <trevor_> achilles: ATI cards don't support Composition...  That could be why...  When composition is used, it gets all funny...
[05:58] <eloquence> sup ppl
[05:58] <rickey> how does one use floppy  with kubuntu
[05:59] <Vermux> trevor_: so Adept doesnt automatically checks for updates, I need to click on "Fetch packages"?
[05:59] <trevor_> Vermux: It will, but it only knows if there are in general...  Not individual ones...
[05:59] <trevor_> And, package lists change...
[05:59] <eloquence> i have an issue trying to update apt-get and i have had problems installing wine. this is the apt-get problem: http://pastebin.ca/730848
[05:59] <trevor_> That should be the box on your kicker...
[06:00] <Vermux> trevor_: what do u mean by "in general"?
[06:01] <rickey> how do you write to  floppy,s with kubuntu?
[06:01] <trevor_> It can tell if someone put updates up, but not what they are...  Then, it gets the lists, and sees which ones are updated...
[06:02] <achilles> trevor_: i dont have Ati its Intel
[06:03] <Vermux> trevor_: so Adept checks for updates in general, then when I click on Fetch Files it does a comparison to what I already have on my computer and checks for individual updates to waht I have?
[06:03] <trevor_> achilles: I don't think that Intel is compatable with compiz...  I might be wrong...
[06:03] <sbucatino_> #ubuntu-it-chat
[06:03] <rickey> has anyone here ever used floppys with kubunntu?
[06:03] <trevor_> Vermux: Yep...
[06:04] <Vermux> trevor_: ok, thanks
[06:04] <trevor_> rickey: What's the problem?
[06:04] <achilles> trevor_: it worked with my older machine so i think it should work
[06:04] <rickey> just dont know how to write to the floppy?
[06:04] <trevor_> achilles: I would too...  But, Same thing happend to me with my last laptop...
[06:05] <rickey> i can read it fine
[06:05] <achilles> hmmmm
[06:05] <trevor_> rickey: But writing?
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> so i just priced out a new desktop machine (keeping my hdds, dvd-rw, and video card), and for less than $400, i can take a major step up (including jumping to 4gb ram from 1)
[06:05] <rickey> just dont know how too
[06:05] <achilles> works on 845 dont realy know why not on 945
[06:05] <rickey> in linux
[06:05] <trevor_> rickey: It might be mounted as read only...
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> check the lil tab on it :)
[06:06] <trevor_> rickey: First, i highly recomend investing in a usb thumb drive, if that option is available...
[06:06] <rickey> what ? the floppy drive?
[06:06] <trevor_> rickey: Second, let's get that floppy working...
[06:06] <xevious> if Yammeh comes back and i'm still having my cigarette, tell him to stick around, read http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt, and i'll help him out in a bit
[06:06] <rickey> ok
[06:07] <trevor_> rickey: No...  A portable thumbdrive to store stuff too...  They're really cheap now, and can hold hundreds of times the data...
[06:07] <rickey> yes i know
[06:07] <trevor_> rickey: Okay...
[06:07] <trevor_> You can see the drive, right?
[06:07] <trevor_> rickey: Just right click and go to properties...
[06:07] <rickey>  but i still like to use my floppy
[06:08] <trevor_> rickey: Well, let's fix it then! ^.^
[06:08] <rickey>  trevor click on what?
[06:08] <trevor_> rickey: On the properties panel, there should be a mounting tab...
[06:08] <[ifr0g] >  unable to write data hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=CN77BC53BM04KV: Resource temporarily unavailable io/hp
[06:08] <rickey> on floppy icon?
[06:08] <trevor_> rickey: yep...
[06:08] <[ifr0g] > what does that mean ^^
[06:09] <rickey> ok
[06:09] <rickey> ready
[06:09] <[ifr0g] >  hpiod:
[06:10] <trevor_> rickey: mounting tab...
[06:10] <trevor_> rickey: And, there should be an option read only?
[06:12] <rickey> trevor something is up . i see no mounting tad
[06:12] <rickey> tab
[06:13] <matt_> I can't seem to get my wireless card working,  I have a stock install of 7.04 and a Broadcom 4311 card in my laptop
[06:13] <rickey> i have geeeneral, premission, share and sharing
[06:14] <trevor_> boggystudios: Sorry to say this, but broadcom is a bitch...
[06:14] <trevor_> rickey: Somewhere, there should be read only...
[06:14] <rickey> i am looking hard
[06:15] <boggystudios> I looked for some how to's but all I found was the ndiswrapper ones
[06:15] <boggystudios> by typing lsmod I can see the bcm43xx module already loaded
[06:15] <rickey>  now i am going to my floppy icon though  csystem menu
[06:15] <trevor_> boggystudios: Ndiswrapper is a dirty hack, but I'd swear by it...
[06:16] <rickey> is there a better way
[06:16] <trevor_> boggystudios: What it does is wrapps itself around the windows drivers, so that linux can just use them...
[06:16] <trevor_> rickey: I'm not sure what you're doing now?
[06:16] <trevor_> rickey: Is there not a floppy icon on your desktop?
[06:16] <boggystudios> trevor_: I was going to do that but I figured that since there is native support for it now I shouldn't have to use it
[06:17] <rickey> no
[06:17] <boggystudios> trevor_: It shows up in the network settings window but I can't enable the interface
[06:17] <rickey>  there is a floppy floder icon i  put there
[06:18] <cash> hi
[06:18] <trevor_> boggystudios: Up to 7.10?
[06:19] <trevor_> boggystudios: Admin mode?
[06:19] <cash> tell me please where I can see info about new release of ubuntu ?
[06:19] <rickey> but  there isnt one  from the reguar setup
[06:19] <trevor_> rickey: /media/
[06:19] <trevor_> ?
[06:19] <rickey> let me see
[06:20] <boggystudios> trevor_: Yeah I am in admin mode; I plan on upgrading to 7.10 when it comes out as stable, but I need this now
[06:20] <rickey> no it,s different
[06:20] <trevor_> Broadcom isn't supported by default...
[06:20] <rickey> ok trevor let me see if i can get the rigth one on the desktop
[06:20] <trevor_> rickey: I'm not sure where we're at?  where are the rest of your drives at?
[06:21] <boggystudios> trevor_: then why is the bcm43xx module loaded by default?
[06:21] <trevor_> boggystudios: That doesn't actually work in most chipsets...
[06:21] <trevor_> boggystudios: Have you tried NDIS?
[06:21] <boggystudios> trevor_: I was going to try the native solution first
[06:22] <pikkot> Hello. Could you tell me what to do to make text terminals display anything? I can switch to it(alt-f1), login and execute commands, but I see black screen all time.
[06:22] <trevor_> That's just it...  Everyone and their mother are having problems with the broadcom card...
[06:24] <trevor_> Guys...  I have to go to eat food...
[06:24] <rickey> ok trevor i can tale i got this floder of the floppy from the wrong place
[06:24] <trevor_> rickey: You in the us?
[06:24] <trevor_> boggystudios: you in the us?
[06:24] <rickey>  i am going to send it to  trash
[06:24] <trevor_> rickey: Okay...  I was going to give you a cell number to call, so we could finish this up...
[06:24] <rickey>  where or how should i get the rigth icon on my deaktop?
[06:25] <trevor_> There should be a folder called /media/ that's got all of the mounted drives on it...
[06:25] <trevor_> if not, /dev/floppy works...
[06:25] <boggystudios> trevor_: yeah
[06:25] <trevor_> boggystudios: Okay...  I have to go to lunch...  Would you mind doing this in a phone conversation?...  I'm hungry...
[06:26] <boggystudios> trevor_: I am willing to wait till you get done.
[06:26] <trevor_> boggystudios: Thought so...  ^.^
[06:26] <trevor_> I'll be back in a bit...
[06:27] <rickey> i have a folder  under   system media called  storage media , and under that i have floppy
[06:27] <rickey> is that what your talking about
[06:28] <trevor_> rickey:
[06:29] <trevor_> rickey: yeah..
[06:33] <pikkot> I can see only blank screen at text terminals, any help, please.
[06:34] <rickey> ok trevor wen i rigth click on that file  i see no mounting tab
[06:34] <rickey> wen i click on the floppy icon
[06:35] <rickey>  rigth click
[06:36] <JuJuBee> I am still fighting with my laptop to projector problem via ATI Radeon 9700. Been reading the online how-to's.  When I try to run aticonfig, it does not exist as a commnad.
[06:40] <emilsedgh> JuJuBee: do you have propertiary drivers of ati?
[06:40] <JuJuBee> I just downloaded 8.41
[06:40] <JuJuBee> and installed...
[06:41] <JuJuBee> I just want to get a dual head set up working properly.
[06:41] <JuJuBee> Worked with edgy, but since I installed feisty (clean install of laptop) not able to get it working correctly.
[06:43] <JuJuBee> OK aticonfig --initial -f seems to have worked.  Now how do i config dual head?  I would eventually like to span so i can work on my laptop without projecting... Use a left and right screen.
[06:45] <jhutchins_x> Sounds like a good plan.
[06:45] <JuJuBee> Yea, now if I can only get it to work.
[06:45] <jhutchins_x> I've got a box running XP here that does something similar, one head is the lobby display, one is on a KVM.
[06:46] <jhutchins_x> We don't do split screens though.
[06:46] <jhutchins_x> I'm sure there have to be pages out there about dual-heading ATI's on Kubuntu.
[06:46] <JuJuBee> I had mirroring working sort of, part of my desktop did not display on screen.
[06:59] <mikelima> Hi all
[06:59] <mikelima> I have a problem with networkmanager and kmail.
[07:00] <llp78> Hi all, I need some help please - i want to change so that hen i click a torrent it launches ktorrent instead of azurues - where abouts is the file assosation thing...?
[07:00] <bazhang> what's the issue mikelima?
[07:00] <mikelima> I can't make kmail check my mailboxes, since it thinks I'm off line.
[07:00] <mikelima> But I'm not.
[07:01] <mikelima> Is there a way to make kmail ignore whatever the networkmanager says?
[07:01] <mikelima> Actually knetworkmanager shows the connected icon, but kmail does not even try to connect to my servers...
[07:02] <bazhang> mikelima: I've never used kmail, so I'm not sure about that one; have you considered posting at #kmail?
[07:03] <mikelima> bazhang: no... but I think it's a kubuntu issue.
[07:03] <mikelima> or maybe the enterprise edition tries to be too smart...
[07:04] <mikelima> uhm, it does not look like there is a #kmail channel.
[07:05] <bazhang> llp78: have you tried right clicking on the file and choosing open with, or you could just uninstall azureus; alternately (are you using Firefox or Konqueror) you could specify in your browser which app to launch the torrent with as you download it
[07:06] <llp78> bazhang: i installed azures via apt-get - noticed that its mega memory hungry and removed it via apt-get but it still tries to open torrents with azures even though its not there..
[07:07] <llp78> bazhang im using konqueror - but havent found that option ?
[07:08] <bazhang> llp78: when you download the torrent in Firefox (or whatever), I believe you can specify how to open it, or just to save it to desktop, then check it a box that says something like 'do this every time' or such.
[07:08] <llp78> bazhang: nice work around but i thought we could fix this little bugger right now
[07:10] <bazhang> llp78: maybe this is not what you want to hear, but could you save it to a folder, then in Ktorrent settings you can load the plugin scan folder, which looks for net torrent files and the automatically loads them?
[07:10] <bazhang> net=new
[07:11] <weswh-> does anyone use pidgin for google talk?
[07:11] <llp78> bazhang: is there an apt-get command i can use to clean/wipe this azures of the pc - i have tried apt-get remove but still there
[07:12] <bazhang> llp78: how did you install it?
[07:12] <llp78> bazhang: apt-get install azurues
[07:13] <llp78> bazhang and removed it with apt-get remove azures
[07:13] <llp78> bazhang: tried autoclean option aswell - still nada
[07:14] <xenol> hello. i would like to ask how can i upgrade to gutsy?
[07:15] <bazhang> llp78: you can set ktorrent to scan a folder and load the torrents automatically--not sure how azureues really matters--is it crashing your machine, or does ktorrent refuse to launch? You can ask at the Azureus channel, though I don't see the big issue here.
[07:16] <bazhang> xenol: you should probably check out #ubuntu+1
[07:17] <llp78> bazhang: thanks for your help - i have now fixed the issue from within konqueror settings - the problem was that everytime i clicked a torrent download - i allways got "open with azures" but never gave me the option for ktorrent  - thanks for putting up with me got there in the end
[07:17] <bazhang> llp78: glad you got it figured; cheers!
[07:17] <xenol> bazhang: ty dude
[07:17] <bazhang> xenol: see you there...
[07:22] <Vermux> where is Kwrite?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> @ /usr/bin/kwrite
[07:26] <Vermux> cant find it
[07:27] <Vermux> DaSkreech: how do I find where is it
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Vermux: open a konsole and type which kwrite
[07:28] <mikelima> anybody knows where are the networkmanager configuration files?
[07:29] <mikelima> I'd like to zap them and see if eth0 can be made to work again.
[07:29] <frojnd> I have a Q. How can I checj what version of linksys wifi do I have ? here is the output of lspci but I can't find any linksys http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40087/  its's pci card...
[07:30] <llutz> frojnd: the RaLink one
[07:31] <frojnd> llutz,  OMG and I thought that it isnt :S And I've put rt61 and rt61pci module on blackist...
[07:31] <frojnd> llutz, maybe this is the reason that it freezes...
[07:32] <llutz> frojnd: it's the only wifi card listed ;)
[07:32] <llutz> frojnd: so if you don't have 2 wifis (one not listed) it is a card using ralink chipset
[07:36] <frojnd> llutz, I only have one wifi... so this one is ralink?
[07:36] <llutz> frojnd: yes
[07:36] <frojnd> llutz, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys here is the list of supported wifi cards..
[07:36] <frojnd> but here is the output: 02:08.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[07:36] <frojnd> so do I have to or do I NOT have to put rt61 to a blackist?
[07:36] <frojnd> I'm confused here...
[07:37] <llutz> that linksys card uses a ralink rt61-chipset, so you shouldn't blacklist it's driver
[07:37] <frojnd> oh...
[07:37] <frojnd> lemme reboot :D
[07:37] <llutz> frojnd: blacklist rt61pci and try using rt61
[07:38] <frojnd> llutz, I write rt61pci into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist yes ?
[07:38] <llutz> frojnd: i think so
[07:41] <frojnd> llutz, but how can I use rt61 ?
[07:41] <frojnd> llutz, or does this automatically use it ?
[07:41] <llutz> frojnd: if rt61 isn't loaded automatically try "sudo modprobe rt61"
[07:42] <staviklotz> ee
[07:43] <frojnd> llutz, can I somehow do this that it will be loaded automatically ?
[07:50] <rickey> would someone like to help me , figure out  how to operate my floppy drive
[07:52] <nosrednaekim> rickey: sure..
[07:53] <nosrednaekim> rickey: whats the problem?
[07:54] <rickey> nosre just dont know how to do it
[07:54] <rickey> i broth some new floppys the other day
[07:55] <rickey>   and went to try to use them like i did in windows , and they didnt wrok
[07:55] <nosrednaekim> you put them in the drive and nothing happened?
[07:55] <rickey> work
[07:55] <rickey> yes
[07:55] <Vermux> DaSkreech: I opened the program, how do I found its location?
[07:56] <rickey> no icon came up on desktop
[07:56] <rickey> now
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Vermux: open a konsole and type which kwrite
[07:57] <nosrednaekim> !floppy
[07:57] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[07:58] <rickey>  i can go to system menu  and click no stroege media , and there i see a icon for floppy
[07:58] <rickey> but i cant make it copy from there
[07:58] <nosrednaekim> read that above ^^
[07:58] <Broc93> I've got a question: how can I save my files on a secondary Hard Drive without Operating System???
[07:58] <rickey> ok thank,s
[07:59] <Vermux> DaSkreech: thanks
[07:59] <CPrompt^> Broc93 : drive has to be formated at the very least
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Broc93: learn Assembly and write a firmware routine for the device
[08:00] <Broc93> CPrompt^: the drive is formatted in NTFS
[08:00] <DaSkreech> CPrompt^: Not really
[08:00] <CPrompt^> DaSkreech : really?  I didn't think you'd even be able to access the drive
[08:00] <DaSkreech> CPrompt^: Raw devices are useful and fun
[08:01] <nosrednaekim> !NTFS | Broc93
[08:01] <ubotu> Broc93: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:02] <Broc93> ok thank you
[08:09] <jpierre> salut a tous
[08:09] <crache> anyone know what the difference between compiz-compcomm-plugins-main and compiz-fusion-plugins-main is, which one is prefereable?
[08:11] <Scunizi> anyone run Korganizer and Evo?  Do you get scheduled events who's appointment time is changed automatically?
[08:12] <nosrednaekim> crache: I'd get the second
[08:12] <crache> ok I just reverted to it, after realizing the compcomm replaced the original, thanks for the second opinion though
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> crache: i've never heard of the first.
[08:14] <crache> thanks again
[08:14] <nosrednaekim> NP
[08:17] <rickey> nosre are you a bot or a real preson
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> lol... i'm a real person
[08:18] <DaSkreech> !bot
[08:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:19] <nanou> -ChanServ- [#ALSA] 
[08:21] <eMaX> hi all
[08:22] <eMaX> Anyone ever seen this: "the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken"
[08:22] <quique_> hello people
[08:23] <boggystudios> I am having trouble with my laptop's wireless connection
[08:24] <boggystudios> I used to be able to hover over the knetworkmanager icon on the panel and see a list of wireless networks near me but now I can't see them
[08:24] <user_> someone can give me an idea\answer about alsa?
[08:25] <oxyman> can somebody tell me a wav -> mp3 converter. most likely a kde application of course :-)
[08:25] <jpatrick> oxyman: lame
[08:25] <nosrednaekim> oxyman: kaudiocreator
[08:25] <nosrednaekim> or something like tat
[08:25] <user_> yes audiocreator is good
[08:25] <oxyman> ok, thanks. i'll check that :-)
[08:25] <jpatrick> oxyman: soundKonvertor is my personal fav
[08:26] <oxyman> jpatrick: thanks, I'll take a look into it :-)
[08:26] <user_> I've got DELL9400 inspiron with Sigmatel Stac 9200....
[08:26] <user_> For monts I try to get sound working on SPDIF...
[08:27] <poison--> !pt
[08:27] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[08:27] <[ifr0g] > hpiod: unable to write data hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=CN77BC53BM04KV: Resource temporarily unavailable io/hpiod/channel.cpp 63
[08:27] <user_> ...in ALSA-projec site and in many many sites, I don't understand if it's isue or if I'm wrong
[08:27] <[ifr0g] > HELP ^^
[08:29] <user_> I never have had problem with HP. I don't know ifrOg
[08:30] <user_> ...I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 now
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> user_: go to #ubuntu+1 if you are usiong gutsy
[08:31] <user_> no no, the problem is the same by many upgrade
[08:32] <user_> ...anyway I'll go #ubuntu+1. Thanks
[08:34] <boggystudios> how does one tell knetworkmanager to ignore a manual configuration?
[08:35] <selfsearcher[] > hi
[08:35] <nosrednaekim> boggystudios: not sure..
[08:36] <nosrednaekim> hey selfsearcher[] 
[08:36] <selfsearcher[] > I need some info about KDE themes: I need to know where to put them since I'm not sure... thank you :D
[08:37] <nosrednaekim> !themes
[08:37] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:37] <elkang> do u use kubuntu selfsearcher[] ?
[08:37] <selfsearcher[] > er... ok I know where to find them but not how manually install them. Is there an how-to out there? ;)
[08:37] <DaSkreech> boggystudios: you mean get a dynamic IP ?
[08:38] <selfsearcher[] > elkang: yes I do. Feisty + kubuntu + kde suggested (maybe?)
[08:38] <selfsearcher[] > KDE 3.5.6
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> selfsearcher[] : yeah... there is a tutorial, just a sec.
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> !changethemes
[08:39] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[08:39] <boggystudios> DaSkreech: well when I click on the knetworkmanager icon on the panel it used to show a list of networks that I could connect to, now it doesn't
[08:39] <selfsearcher[] > I feel a bit lost. I found a LOT of themes (really a lot) but every theme is a different thing
[08:39] <DaSkreech> boggystudios: Right click?
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> there you go selfsearcher[]  ^^
[08:39] <boggystudios> DaSkreech: they both do the same thing in this instance
[08:39] <selfsearcher[] > nosrednaekim: thank you! I'll read it now
[08:40] <DaSkreech> boggystudios: really?
[08:40] <boggystudios> DaSkreech: yup
[08:40] <DaSkreech> The status dialog?
[08:40] <selfsearcher[] > ok! Bookmarked :D
[08:40] <boggystudios> DaSkreech: yup
[08:41] <DaSkreech> boggystudios: Funky. Did you update knetworkmanager?
[08:41] <boggystudios> I did a full upgrade of everything, however knetworkmanager wasn't one of the things that was upgraded
[08:42] <Rixxor> if i want to switch to kubuntu from windows, i'll need drivers for my pcmcia card to be able to connect to the internet. Will kubuntu have these drivers?
[08:42] <bazhang> Rixxor: which card?
[08:42] <Rixxor> 3g
[08:43] <Rixxor> HAUWEI
[08:43] <DevideZero> kubuntu 7.10 final\stable has been released already ?
[08:43] <elkang> nope
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Oct 18
[08:43] <thomas_> DevideZero: 10/18
[08:44] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | Rixxor
[08:44] <ubotu> Rixxor: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:44] <selfsearcher[] > DevideZero: i feel Gutsy still a bit too much in beta at the moment...
[08:44] <bazhang> Rixxor: here is a link: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/
[08:44] <Rixxor> thanks bazhang :)
[08:44] <bazhang> Rixxor: that is a very complete compendium of Linux drivers and vendors.
[08:44] <DevideZero> gusty will have compiz fusion repos ?
[08:44] <bazhang> Rixxor: no problem
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> DevideZero: it'll be in the repositories by default, yes
[08:45] <bazhang> DevideZero: they are part of Gutsy repos
[08:46] <Urcl> Sorry am a newbie to Ubuntu so i just installed it and cannot find the php and apache package
[08:46] <Urcl> what do i do thanks
[08:46] <bazhang> oops, sorry nosrednaekim.
[08:46] <Urcl> ?
[08:46] <DevideZero> cool , and if i will install compzi fusion it will automaticly install for me the driver for my video card ?
[08:46] <JuJuBee> OK, I have been messing with my video settings (trying to get ATI radeon 9700 to do dual head correctly). I tired the os drivers and the proprietary drivers with no success with either one.  How can I Uninstall all remnants of the proprietary drivers and go back to just the os drivers?
[08:46] <fay_elf> Urcl:sudo apt-get update
[08:46] <genii> Urcl: You installed the ubuntu server ?
[08:47] <Urcl> i installed the desktop edition
[08:47] <Urcl> but i use a modem so i cannot get online from the kernel
[08:47] <Urcl> am currently on windows to get online
[08:47] <Urcl> I need it for scripting
[08:47] <selfsearcher[] > DevideZero: Gutsy + Compiz fusion... someone said Gutsy will not have Compiz enabled by default. But Compiz will be in the repos
[08:47] <genii> Urcl: then you will not have by default php or apache, etc. after you update the application repositories, you can install ubuntu-lamp package which will provide you with apache2,php, and mysql
[08:48] <bazhang> Ubuntu will have it ; Kubuntu does not presently selfsearcher[] 
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: proprietary drivers from the repositories or from the .run file?
[08:48] <Urcl> sorry aren't we flooding the room
[08:48] <DaSkreech> !dualhead | JuJuBee
[08:48] <ubotu> JuJuBee: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[08:48] <Urcl> can u tell me privately <genii>
[08:48] <Urcl> ?
[08:49] <Urcl> am really new to it
[08:49] <selfsearcher[] > bazhang: yes you are right. But someone can still use Compiz in KDE with the script
[08:49] <fay_elf> Urcl:it is always flooded ;)
[08:49] <genii> Urcl: Here is fine, and educational.
[08:49] <Urcl> ok
[08:49] <bazhang> selfsearcher[] : that's a good point. very easy to set up.
[08:49] <Urcl> i didn't want to break any rules
[08:50] <genii> Urcl: Without internet from inside ubuntu, it will be problemmatic to set up apache,php etc
[08:50] <DaSkreech> !lamp
[08:50] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:50] <selfsearcher[] > bazhang: did I say I own a *+** ATI card? Hehehe... XGL doesn't work well with X800. I'll wait
[08:50] <fay_elf> Urcl:open konsole, type first : sudo apt get update
[08:50] <bazhang> selfsearcher[] : haha
[08:50] <genii> DaSkreech: There is also the ubuntu-lamp metapackage
[08:50] <DaSkreech> genii: add that to the factoid
[08:51] <fay_elf> Urcl: then sudo apt get install ubuntu-lamp
[08:51] <selfsearcher[] > yeah, gimme da card lo! ;) LOL
[08:51] <Urcl> ok
[08:51] <genii> fay_elf: He may need to set up a kppp profile for his dialup modem first
[08:51] <Urcl> but i can't get my linux online
[08:51] <Urcl> so i use windows for my internet stuffs
[08:52] <Urcl> or should i request a server CD?
[08:52] <psyhhix> how can i connect to my pc (win xp) with xfce? theres a switch between, with kde works fine, but xfce i cant
[08:52] <fay_elf> genii: it wont harm to do it any way, will it?
[08:52] <nosrednaekim> psyhhix: #xubuntu
[08:52] <genii> Urcl: If you are using dialup for main connection, yes, it is simpler to just order the server CD
[08:52] <psyhhix> i tryed
[08:53] <Urcl> Okay
[08:53] <Urcl> I think I should start a download of the cd package now
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> psyhhix: well, if its a XFCE problem, we really can't help... maybe try #xfce.
[08:53] <psyhhix> ok
[08:53] <psyhhix> ty
[08:53] <boerjesl> does anyone have any experience trying to play drm protected video (m4v) in ubuntu?
[08:53] <genii> !info ubuntu-lamp
[08:54] <ubotu> ubuntu-lamp: Packages for a LAMP setup. In component seveas-meta, is optional. Version 7.04-7 (feisty-seveas), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[08:54] <nosrednaekim> boerjesl: if its DRMed,. i'd say its PROBABLY impossible
[08:54] <genii> Odd, 32K seems small
[08:54] <Urcl> yes
[08:55] <boerjesl> i've been trying to install itunes 7.3 with wine, but it seems to freeze on "publisihing product information"
[08:55] <DaSkreech> !itunes
[08:55] <ubotu> itunes is not available on Linux, but there are many audio player alternatives (see !players). For Daap clients (sharing music with other iTunes clients on the network), install banshee
[08:55] <Urcl> so should i download the ubuntu lamp? or download a new server edition of the Ubuntu OS?
[08:55] <fay_elf> Not if it's just config
[08:55] <[ifr0g] > hpiod: unable to write data hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=CN77BC53BM04KV: Resource temporarily unavailable io/hpiod/channel.cpp 63
[08:55] <[ifr0g] > HELP ^^
[08:56] <nosrednaekim> genii: its a metapackage.. it doesn't count deps.
[08:56] <boerjesl> ubotu: i'm not a noob... i'm trying to view video that is only available through itunes and is drmed
[08:56] <genii> Urcl: If you can get your ubuntu using the modem, perhaps try the ubuntu-lamp first. Otherwise ordering the server CD from shipit seems prudent.
[08:56] <genii> nosrednaekim: Aaaaah OK
[08:56] <nosrednaekim> boerjesl: go to #winehq channel for wine issues
[08:56] <Urcl> Thanks genii
[08:56] <boerjesl> ok
[08:57] <genii> Urcl: You have kubuntu or ubuntu cd?
[08:57] <Urcl> the only way am sure i can get it online is maybe I will have to try an internet cafe using LAN cable
[08:57] <fay_elf> Urcl:kppp is in the kubuntu menu and very simple
[08:58] <fay_elf> I just did today a gprs connection in 5 minutes
[08:58] <Urcl> UBUNTU CD
[08:59] <Urcl> yes
[08:59] <Urcl> mine is GPRS
[08:59] <Urcl> am using a GPRS enable phone to connect top my telecom operate
[08:59] <genii> Urcl: Ah, OK. You are in KDE Ubuntu channel ( #kubuntu)
[08:59] <Urcl> they have GPRS services thats how i get online
[08:59] <Urcl> so i don't know how really to configure it on unbuntu
[09:00] <Urcl> cos it doesn't even detect the phone when its connect via USB
[09:01] <genii> Urcl: The standard Ubuntu CD will install Gnome desktop and not KDE, so you will have more help for getting the modem working and so on in #ubuntu instead of here where we would confuse you by referring to applications not existing on your setup :)
[09:01] <genii> eg: kppp
[09:01] <Thomasu> how can i get my kubuntu on danish =?=?
[09:02] <fay_elf> Urcl:try plugging the phone and test it using kppp with device /dev/ttyacm0. It sounds hard but completely graphical
[09:02] <DaSkreech> !gprs
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gprs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:02] <genii> fay_elf: He has Gnome
[09:02] <fay_elf> Or plug it, type dmesg in console and read the info which the kernel produces
[09:04] <genii> Urcl:  the regular ubuntu equivelent of kppp is gnome-ppp
[09:05] <direktorate> anyone speak romanian?
[09:05] <direktorate> whatever
[09:06] <borite1> hello
[09:06] <DaSkreech> !ro
[09:06] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> hello borite1
[09:07] <Thomasu> hello someone who can help me
[09:07] <borite1> can you say me why kdetv says: cannot detect video signal?
[09:09] <Urcl> how do i get on ubuntu channel?
[09:09] <fay_elf> Urcl:/join ubuntu
[09:10] <borite1> urcl: type /join #ubuntu
[09:10] <Urcl> yes but its not opening
[09:11] <Urcl> i even use #ubuntu and added it to my favourites channels
[09:12] <borite1> urcl: you have to type it from your ubutnu or freenode tab
[09:12] <borite1> and not from an other channel's tab
[09:15] <Urcl> #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned)
[09:15] <borite1> can you tell me why kdetv says why kdetv says: cannot detect video signal?
[09:15] <poison--> !samba
[09:15] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:15] <dhq> when is gutsy release
[09:16] <dhq> !schedule
[09:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> borite1: is your capture card working?
[09:16] <borite1> urcl: maybe you have been banned from that channel??
[09:16] <borite1> nosrednaekim: my tv card is working in windows
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> fortunately ( or inyu case, possibly unfortunately) windows is not linux.
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | borite1
[09:17] <ubotu> borite1: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> look up your hardware on that list
[09:17] <borite1> yeah my card is supported in linux
[09:17] <borite1> its pinnacle pctv pro
[09:17] <Urcl> I never enter it before
[09:18] <borite1> I use ubuntu but I also installed kdetv, coz I like it
[09:18] <selfsearcher[] > borite1: Pinnacle shoult work fine with MythTV or similar... many years ago, I used it
[09:19] <dhq> when is the exact date for gutsy
[09:19] <bazhang> 10/18
[09:19] <borite1> selfsarcher: no mythTV doesn't support my card, but generally linux and so kdetv does
[09:19] <borite1> as I know and read about it
[09:19] <selfsearcher[] > i'm not holding my breath. I'll wait because the beta was... too beta. :D
[09:20] <borite1> I have installed more distributions and even ubuntu more times, and sometimes it worked sometimes not
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> dhq: 18th
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> of this omnth
[09:20] <ScorpKing> hiya poison--
[09:20] <oxyman> anybody knows an audio player like xmms, but for kde? it should be lightweight ( = not amarok)
[09:21] <poison--> yooooooo Scorpio
[09:21] <poison--> had to reinstall my kubuntu box ScorpKing
[09:21] <poison--> crap
[09:21] <ScorpKing> hehe
[09:21] <poison--> after a reboot i couldnt get to X
[09:21] <ScorpKing> :(
[09:21] <poison--> said couldnt find some fonts
[09:22] <dhq> cool
[09:22] <ScorpKing> lol. what did you change before it broke?
[09:22] <dhq> oxyman, amarok the best
[09:22] <ScorpKing> oxyman: i use xmms in kde
[09:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> xmms is obsolete anyway
[09:22] <selfsearcher[] > there is also a "Parted magic" love CD out there... incredible lol
[09:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you must got the winamp clone route, check out audacity
[09:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> go*
[09:23] <oxyman> amarok is not a lightweight application and xmms depends on gtk libraries
[09:23] <ScorpKing> audacity use more resources than xmms tho. it doesn't run too well on my box
[09:26] <JuJuBee> nosrednaekim : sorry, I had a parent come in to see me... (im a teacher).
[09:26] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: try Exaile
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: :) what was the problem again?
[09:27] <JuJuBee> I tried the os drivers included with ubuntu and couldn't get my desktop to display correctly,so i tried to insallt the proprietary ones and no luck there either.
[09:27] <ScorpKing> will do. ty
[09:27] <Thomasu> hi is here a guy who can help me??
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: the proprietary drivers from where?
[09:27] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu it depends: the question ?
[09:28] <ScorpKing> Thomasu: there might be.
[09:28] <JuJuBee> Sorry,crashed kopete...
[09:28] <TheDude> so why cant you su on kubuntu?
[09:28] <JuJuBee> The ATi site
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: root account is disabled by defualt... use sudo -i instead
[09:28] <selfsearcher[] > TheDude: sudo is the answer
[09:28] <Thomasu> i have kubuntu and that is on english can i get over to danish ???
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> Thomasu: you didn't choose danish as your language when you installed?
[09:29] <Thomasu> yes
[09:29] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: little underpowered there
[09:29] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu "K"Menu --> Control Center --> Regional Settings (if I'm not wrong)
[09:29] <JuJuBee> norednaekim : I downloaded the drivers from ATI and gave them a test drive...still no luck.  I just want to get back to the start again .  I am afraid I have made so many changes they may be fighting each other.
[09:29] <TheDude> so does sudo -i have the same privilages as root?
[09:30] <TheDude> sudo
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: mostly..
[09:30] <deviance> There are alot of deathmatch style first person shooters, but are there any terrorst vs cops, like cs?
[09:30] <Thomasu> ther can i only chose english not danish
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: about the only thing you can't do is change frequency governors.(as far as i've found)
[09:30] <nosrednaekim> W00T!!! over 400 people!!
[09:30] <TheDude> so I can still patch modules, make installs etc?
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: oh yeah.
[09:31] <TheDude> lot more to type then su
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: if you encounter something you can't do... just enable root.
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> 5 characters ?
[09:31] <Thomasu> what can i do ??
[09:31] <ScorpKing> TheDude: sudo su will give you root
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: like any good programmer, you are lazy ;)
[09:32] <TheDude> :)
[09:32] <elkang|away> Thomasu: you need to install danish.. its at the same place (regional settings)
[09:32] <TheDude> sudo su is still a lot to type ;)
[09:33] <elkang|away> on the bottom somewehre .... install new language
[09:33] <Thomasu> i get error when i try
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> what error
[09:33] <elkang|away> what error?
[09:33] <TheDude> adept updater is sllooooowwwwww...
[09:33] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu: "K" --> Control Center --> Language etc... --> Upper Right button --> Select your region (north Europe?) then Danish
[09:34] <ScorpKing> oxyman: google for - lightweight audio players for linux - there is a few links that comes up.
[09:34] <DaSkreech> oxyman: how about xmms?
[09:34] <Thomasu> Command 'qt-language-selector --mode install' not found.
[09:35] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu: if it gives you an error, before changing the language select the "danish support" for KDE (a package i think)
[09:35] <DaSkreech> deviance: sure
[09:35] <TheDude> !menu
[09:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:35] <deviance> Like?
[09:35] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu: sorry but I'm lost. Did you install kubuntu or simply the KDE?
[09:36] <Thomasu> i install LInuxMce
[09:36] <DaSkreech> deviance: Assault or something like that
[09:36] <TheDude> heh, I will be drunk before adept updater gets done....reminds me of windows
[09:37] <DaSkreech> TheDude: try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:37] <Thomasu> http://linuxmce.com/
[09:37] <uga> TheDude: salad, roasted chicken and choc cake
[09:37] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu: ok but before using danish, you have to install the support for danish language. Try to find it with your package manager. I use Ubuntu + Kubuntu
[09:38] <deviance> Hmm, DaSkreech wherecan I find it
[09:38] <ScorpKing> oxyman: http://www.vorbis.com/software/#linux
[09:38] <TheDude> so using apt via console will see better transfer rates then throught the updater?
[09:38] <deviance> Ive google assault but nothing
[09:38] <DaSkreech> deviance: getdeb.net
[09:38] <DaSkreech> !games
[09:38] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[09:38] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: no.... if you want better throughput, switch to another mirror
[09:38] <deviance> Assault CUbe
[09:38] <deviance> Cube*
[09:38] <deviance> Dont I need the Cube origional
[09:39] <DaSkreech> deviance: that's it
[09:39] <DaSkreech> I don't think so
[09:39] <Thomasu> i think i use the same
[09:39] <deviance> Okay
[09:39] <DaSkreech> deviance: You could install Unreal
[09:39] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu let me search... one second
[09:39] <carwash^> how can i specify apt to get a package from a specific repository (i want the medibuntuversion of ffmpeg)
[09:39] <deviance> Its woulnt be to fast
[09:39] <Thomasu> ok
[09:40] <deviance> I have it on another machine with TO:Crossfire, a CS style mod
[09:40] <DaSkreech> I love TO
[09:40] <uga> @magic8ball: when will gutsy be released?
[09:41] <uga> shame, ubotu doesnt' respond to those? :P
[09:41] <stdin> uga: when I say so :p
[09:41] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu try a "sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-da"
[09:41] <uga> stdin: ah shame, only enabled on -offtopic channel, it seems
[09:41] <uga> heh
[09:41] <stdin> uga: no, it's gone all together for now
[09:41] <uga> oh shame
[09:41] <uga> it's a useful feature =)
[09:42] <stdin> blame Seveas, it's always his fault
[09:42] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu please use the terminal so it gives you the errors
[09:42] <uga> stdin: lol
[09:42] <TheDude> heh, will adept patch my hosap module for injection? just a joke
[09:43] <uga> stdin: you were right :/
[09:43] <uga> tried in -offtopic and didn't respond
[09:43] <stdin> uga: you were surprised I was right?!?!? ;)
[09:43] <uga> no, I just hoped for once you were wrong
[09:44] <stdin> the earth didn't stop spinning, so there was no chance :p
[09:44] <Thomasu> linuxmce@dcerouter:~$ sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-da
[09:44] <Thomasu> Reading package lists... Done
[09:44] <Thomasu> Building dependency tree
[09:44] <Thomasu> Reading state information... Done
[09:44] <Thomasu> E: Couldn't find package language-pack-kde-da
[09:44] <uga> stdin: so what will be the next lottery number. quick! =)
[09:45] <stdin> uga: 2
[09:45] <uga> and hopes for earth not to stop spinning
[09:45] <phillipe> Temalgum brasileiro ai gente?:)
[09:45] <TheDude> I like pclinuxos apt manager better
[09:45] <stdin> !br | phillipe
[09:45] <ubotu> phillipe: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[09:45] <uga> !pt | phillipe
[09:45] <uga> oh
[09:45] <uga> too late
[09:45] <stdin> :)
[09:45] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu use Synaptic. Enable main universe restricted multiverse repositories in the Preferences (sry but mine is in italian)
[09:45] <uga> ubotu: lazy bot =)
[09:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lazy bot =) - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: you can get if you want it... its called "synaptic"
[09:46] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: its what ubuntu uses
[09:46] <selfsearcher[] > then Thomasu retry the apt command
[09:46] <Thomasu> how ?
[09:46] <uga> ubotu stdin's sister
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stdin's sister - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <uga> heh
[09:46] <TheDude> ya I thought so...it looked very similar
[09:46] <nosrednaekim> TheDude: thats what I personally use
[09:46] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu "K" --> System --> ...Synaptic
[09:46] <Thomasu> what shall i wrigte
[09:47] <nosrednaekim> selfsearcher[] : he won't have that
[09:47] <stdin> uga: huwah?
[09:47] <uga> stdin: hey, I was testing if the bot was clever enough to give me the phone no
[09:47] <selfsearcher[] > nosrednaekim: lol no ? hmm....
[09:47] <nosrednaekim> thats a ubuntu thing.. tis called adept manager in Kubuntu
[09:47] <TheDude> its more strait forward
[09:48] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu try a "sudo apt-get install synaptic" if it works
[09:48] <selfsearcher[] > I'm a bit lost with Adept. I use it only for updates
[09:48] <selfsearcher[] > THomasu sorry I installed too much WM... Gnome + KDE
[09:48] <TheDude> ohh...now worries....im installing it now :)
[09:48] <Thomasu> linuxmce@dcerouter:~$ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:49] <Thomasu> Reading package lists... Done
[09:49] <Thomasu> Building dependency tree
[09:49] <Thomasu> Reading state information... Done
[09:49] <Thomasu> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:49] <Thomasu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:49] <Thomasu> is only available from another source
[09:49] <Thomasu> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[09:49] <Thomasu> linuxmce@dcerouter:~$
[09:50] <selfsearcher[] > Thomasu sorry I cannot help you at this point. At least, not without messing with the repositories... and I don't know your ditribution
[09:50] <bazhang> linuxmce
[09:50] <selfsearcher[] > good riddance Thomasu
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> selfsearcher[] : hey!
[09:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !coc | selfsearcher[] 
[09:51] <ubotu> selfsearcher[] : The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[09:51] <boggystudios> how do I get wireless networks to show in knetworkmanager?
[09:51] <Daisuke_Ido> *not* appropriate.
[09:51] <Thomasu> thanks
[09:51] <Daisuke_Ido> hey nosrednaekim
[09:51] <selfsearcher[] > nosrednaekim: is "good riddance" a bad conduct? LOL
[09:51] <selfsearcher[] > didn't know.
[09:51] <nosrednaekim> boggystudios: what does "iwlist <network device> scan" say?
[09:51] <deviance> Is synaptic better than adept, Ive heard alot of people saying it is
[09:51] <nosrednaekim> selfsearcher[] : certainly is... its rude.
[09:51] <stdin> selfsearcher[] : actually, it is
[09:51] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: hey
[09:52] <selfsearcher[] > rude? Maybe my english is worse then... didn't jnow