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ubotuNew bug: #150756 in launchpad "Duplicate bug list shouldn't list duplicate bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15075601:00
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RAOFSo, I'm updating my nouveau packages again, and so I'm once again running into PPA problems :).  How much time should elapse between accepting a source upload and having it in the "needs building" status?03:55
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HobbseeRAOF: did you sacrifice a goat to the gods of soyuz?04:06
RAOFNo.  The libdrm upload worked, eventually.04:07
RAOFI thought that maybe the behavour would be consistent? :P04:07
RAOFMaybe even spelled correctly?04:07
Hobbseepft04:07
Hobbseesoyuz is built on chewing gum, bits of string, and lots of "oh my goodness i hope this works"04:08
Hobbseeyou should know better.04:08
HobbseeRAOF: is the source upload being shown at all?04:08
RAOFYes, on the front page.  It hasn't made it to the build queue in any way, though.04:08
RAOFNow, from memory kiko-afk is the guy to ping, but he's away :)04:09
Hobbseewhich page are you looking at?04:09
Hobbseeoh, grrr sabdfl!04:09
RAOFHobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive04:10
RAOFNotice that -nouveau-trunk doesn't appear in any build listings.04:10
RAOF??04:10
HobbseeRAOF: the source hasnt even published.  i'd say soyuz got hungry.04:11
HobbseeRAOF: upload it again, and it should decline if soyuz finds it04:11
Hobbseethere's no equivalent of the new queue, etc there04:11
Hobbseeoh, i wonder...04:11
Hobbseecprov-out: isnt here either04:11
HobbseeRAOF: what did the email say?  did it mention that the upload awaits the approval of a distro-manager?04:11
RAOFAre we looking at the same "Published: 2 hours ago, Status: Published" page?04:11
Hobbseeoh, didnt notice it had xserver-xorg04:12
Hobbseein front of it04:12
RAOFAh, sorry.04:12
Hobbseeoh, hang on04:12
HobbseeRAOF: i dont suppose there were new binaries or anything there?04:13
RAOFNope.04:13
RAOFJust a new git snapshot, and some changes to debian/rules.04:14
RAOFWhich reminds me, they should probably depend upon linux-nouveau-modules-2.6.22-13-generic...04:14
HobbseeRAOF: ok, fix that, upload it again04:15
Hobbseeit looks like soyuz is hating the world.04:15
RAOFYay, I broke it!04:15
Hobbseeno, i dont think you did actually04:15
Hobbseei wonder if anything has built since the stuff got put on manual04:16
RAOFAw, I can't take the credit for the mastadon?04:16
RAOFHobbsee: Yes.  My libdrm upload :)04:16
Hobbseeoh, duh.04:16
Hobbseeright, then i'd say soyuz ate your binaries, if other things have published recently.04:16
Hobbseewha?  who took away the 'needs build' status?04:17
RAOFhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending ?04:18
RAOFStatus from where?04:18
Hobbseeoh, duh04:19
Hobbseei'm looking from the buildd itself, not where it's pulling packages from04:19
RAOFHeh.04:19
RAOFNothing that's currently building is in the needs building status? :P04:19
ubotuNew bug: #150803 in launchpad "Cannot Upgrade. " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15080304:20
RAOFHm, *that's* in the wrong place :)04:20
HobbseeRAOF: no, it wont tell me what needs building from the ppa - because there are multiple ppas for each arch04:21
Hobbseehow do people *do* that?04:21
Hobbseewhat the04:24
Hobbseeis "ubuntu" not a project, or something?04:25
Hobbseeoops, i broke it.  OOPS-647EB1204:25
RAOFIt is.04:25
RAOFHeh04:25
Hobbseedear launchpad, please dont eat my data.  thankyou.04:25
spivHobbsee: "ubuntu" in Launchpad is a distribution, not a project.04:27
Hobbseespiv: what do i put it under then?04:27
spivHobbsee: is that what you were asking?04:27
Hobbseeoh, i cant just send the launchcpad bug to ubuntu, that's right.  i have to open a ubuntu task, and then close the LP one.04:28
Hobbseespiv: yeah.04:28
spivPut what under?  A bug?  You can file bugs against distributions.04:28
Hobbseespiv: see ^ bug04:28
spivAh, yeah.04:28
spivExactly, you can't change the existing task to ubuntu, because launchpad doesn't support changing the target of a task from a project to a distro (or vice-versa).04:29
spivHobbsee: could you file a bug about that OOPS?  That looks like something the malone guys ought to fix :)04:31
Hobbseespiv: launchpad needs to learn how to, methinks.04:32
Hobbseespiv: under malone, i take it?04:32
spivYeah, or just under launchpad, it doesn't make much difference.04:32
spivI agree it'd be good if launchpad let you change the target to a different "type" of target.04:33
Hobbseespiv: already filed by a LP dev.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/13738504:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137385 in malone "OOPS changing the bug target to None" [Undecided,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Jonathan Knowles (jsk)04:35
spivHobbsee: Ah, nevermind then :)04:38
spivHobbsee: thanks04:38
Hobbseespiv: no problem04:38
lamontcprov-out: was offline all day... poke me in the morning and we'll get it sorted04:38
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mptspiv, it's bug 8090205:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 80902 in malone "Allow bug retargeting from project to distribution, or vice versa" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8090205:00
cprov-outlamont: ok, see you tomorrow.05:04
lamontyeah - sleepy-bye time for me.05:05
cprov-outRAOF: your build records are there, enjoy it ;)05:05
RAOFYay, now building!05:05
ubotuNew bug: #150812 in launchpad "ubuntu wiki should point to launchpad to change password" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15081205:25
Hobbsee....it does?05:28
Hobbseeoh, it does for recover05:28
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lifelessreviewer meeting in 35 minutes07:24
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lifelessreviewer meeting in 407:56
lifelessreviewer meeting time07:59
Hobbseeoh noes!08:00
lifeless#08:01
lifelessRoll call08:01
lifeless#08:01
lifelessNext meeting08:01
lifeless#08:01
lifelessAction items08:01
lifeless#08:01
lifelessQueue status08:01
lifelessMentoring update08:01
lifeless    *08:01
lifeless      thumper, jamesh, jml are all at a code sprint in Dunedin (9th Oct).08:01
lifelessspiv: ping08:01
lifelessBjornT: ping08:01
spivI'm here.08:01
BjornThi08:01
spivHmm, jtv is missing.08:01
BjornTjtv sent an e-mail to the list saying he might not be here08:02
lifelessk08:03
spivAh.08:03
lifelessso08:04
lifelessnext meeting08:04
lifelessI suggest we move it when daylight savings kicks in08:04
lifelesswhen is nsw's dst start ?08:05
BjornTdidn't we talk about this last week already?08:05
spivEnd of October, iirc.08:05
lifelessyes, and IIRC it was on the fence08:05
lifelessI commented on this but the meeting had already moved on08:05
lifelesstim said that it would be better to move, because with dst it is in the middle of dinner time08:06
lifelesslast sunday in oct08:06
lifelessfor us08:06
BjornTyes, and i said it was better not to move it, since it would be before my wake-up time :)08:06
lifelesswhen does your daylight savings end ?08:06
BjornTit should be end of oct/beginning of nov08:07
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lifelesswhat UTC offset will you have then ?08:07
BjornT+2, meaning that if the meeting stays at the same UTC time as now, it will be 8am for me08:08
BjornTotoh, if jtv attends both the .au and .eu meetings, it's not that important to accomodate the meeting time to make it possible for me to attend08:09
lifelessright08:09
lifelessso I'm fine through to the second meeting in nov08:09
lifelessbecause UDS covers the transition :)08:09
lifelesswe can ask jtv next week08:10
lifelessso for now, same bat-time, same bat-channel ?08:10
BjornTsounds good08:10
spivYeah.08:10
jamesh[I'm here, but may time out again due to crappy hotel internet] 08:11
lifelessno action items08:12
lifelessqueue ize08:12
lifelessmammoth08:13
spivThe late branch in my queue was actually reviewed earlier today.08:13
lifeless30 items08:13
lifeless15 overdue08:14
lifelessdid you nag on list after the last meeting ?08:14
spivNo :(   But it did actually improve dramatically by the time of the .eu despite that, IIRC.08:15
lifelessok08:15
spivs/.eu/.eu meeting/08:15
lifelessagain, most are not at this meeting08:16
lifelessI wonder if there is 'before meeting rush' happening in .eu time ?08:16
lifelessalso 8 are for stub08:16
spiv8/30 is a pretty large fraction.08:16
lifelessstu1: ping08:16
lifeless8/15 actually08:16
spivThat's even larger :)08:17
lifelesstheres 10 or so for stub08:17
lifelessAIUI db reviews require a round trip to Mark some fraction of the time08:17
lifelessanyhow, I'll mail a nag to the list08:19
lifelessmentoring update08:19
lifeless--------------------08:19
spivThe proposed "needs-mentoring" flag has generated a fair bit of discussion.08:20
spivHas someone been following the thread closely?  I haven't kept up.08:20
BjornTi've been participating in the discussion; no decision has been made yet08:22
lifelessok08:24
lifelessanything about mentees today?08:24
spivNot from me; the mentoring workload has been pretty light for me so far.08:25
BjornTnot from me either; i'm not mentoring anyone08:25
spiv(jml is at a sprint, so that's not so surprising)08:25
lifelessok08:28
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lifelessAny other business ?08:29
spivNot from me.08:29
BjornTno08:30
lifelessmeeting over kthxbye08:30
spivlifeless: thanks :)08:30
BjornTthanks lifeless 08:30
RAOFOk, so now that's over I'll ask how long the wait between source-published to build-queued should be for PPA :)08:33
jameshlifeless: mind looking at a bzr-pqm patch for me?08:33
jameshRAOF: the people who can answer you are either on UK or Brazil time, IIRC08:34
jameshso maybe ask again in a few hours08:34
RAOFEh, OK.08:34
jameshlifeless: if you can look at it, it is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-pqm/+bug/15083408:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150834 in bzr-pqm "Make STARTTLS and AUTH work better" [Undecided,New]  08:35
lifelesshmm08:37
lifelessbzr-pqm really should use the bzrlib core mail sending logic these days08:37
jameshlifeless: hmm.  the bzrlib.smtp_connection module looks broken in the same way as bzr-pqm ...08:40
jameshlifeless: but I agree with you.08:40
lifelessyah, it was factored out from there08:40
lifelessso I'd say the right fix is - use the bzr module, and fix the bzr module08:40
jameshthis server really does need "EHLO, STARTTLS, EHLO, AUTH" to connect ...08:42
lifelessI don't know anything about the trunk owner change08:42
lifelessthe logic change makes sense to me08:42
lifelesshttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-pqm/devel08:43
lifelessis the main branch08:43
lifelessanyone in ~bzr can write to that08:43
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jameshlifeless: anyone who wants masses of unrelated bugmail, yes.08:52
lifelessjamesh: hey, don't complain to me about malone limitations :)08:52
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pooliehi09:28
poolieit's odd to me that https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?advanced=109:28
pooliewith no status or importance set isn't equivalent to having them all set09:28
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ubotuNew bug: #150865 in malone "Don't word wrap CVE URLs in bug mails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15086510:55
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ubotuNew bug: #150867 in malone "Advanced search page defaults are misleading" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15086711:00
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ubotuNew bug: #150881 in launchpad "It should be easier to find untranslated labels without any suggestion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15088112:16
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dokoany rosetta people online?12:29
kompressordoko, yay i use rosetta :)12:34
dokokompressor: this time I need a dev12:35
kompressordoko, oki12:35
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ubotuNew bug: #150898 in soyuz "PPA pollutes personal package pages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15089801:21
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ubotuNew bug: #150901 in launchpad "need to log in twice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15090101:25
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pleia2I'm wondering if someone can help me out, we have an issue with one of the launchpad team sorely needing a couple more admins added02:17
pleia2I have a whole pile of info about the leader being missing, the team is moderated so they're quite concerned about this issue02:17
pleia2I can submit a bug if that's more appropriate02:18
Fujitsupleia2: Please ask a question on the launchpad project (ie. on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad), and an admin should be able to help you.02:21
pleia2Fujitsu: thanks02:21
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yeageri noticed that the latest POT for gnome-screensaver hasn't been imported into LP03:57
jtvyeager: the queue is very long at the moment.03:59
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ubotuNew bug: #150945 in launchpad "Searching for "Exaile" turns up empty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15094504:05
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yeagerjtv: yes, i noticed. this means that the screensaver options Leave message and Switch user will not be translated04:06
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Nafalloadd more hardware ;-)04:07
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ubotuNew bug: #150951 in launchpad "cannot import zope testbrowser from make harness" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15095104:16
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effie_jayxCan I report a mispelled word on a dialog as a bug?04:28
matsubaraeffie_jayx: yes please04:28
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effie_jayxI tried going into the translation of the app on launchpad... but it was hard finding that string...04:31
matsubaraeffie_jayx: oh, you mean in a ubuntu application dialog? that should be filed against the package, I guess.04:32
effie_jayxajam04:32
effie_jayxcool04:33
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effie_jayxmatsubara,  can't file a bug against it04:42
effie_jayxmatsubara,  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/dia/+filebug04:42
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matsubaraeffie_jayx: try launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dia/+filebug04:44
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ubotuNew bug: #150962 in launchpad-bazaar "BugBranch does not have an owner" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15096204:55
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ubotuNew bug: #150976 in soyuz "slave-scanner script failing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15097605:16
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lamontcprov-lunch: when you're back from lunch, I should be around...05:34
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cprov-lunchlamont: ahh, great. brb05:34
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ubotuNew bug: #150988 in soyuz "queue-builder failing due duplicated entries in the DB" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15098805:45
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acusterHey all, my launchpad bzr(as svn mirror) test failed06:13
acusterand it sent me here for more info06:13
acusterhow can I get more info?06:13
mwhudsonacuster: has it appeared on https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImportRequests ?06:18
ddaaacuster: what is the Launchpad page of this svn mirror?06:22
acusterhttps://launchpad.net/geotools-mirror/trunk06:24
acusterreproducible error code06:24
acuster00020f5806:25
ddaaright06:25
ddaathis import is probably not going to work on launchpad in the forseeable future06:25
ddaawe have no idea what's the the cause of this error, and we do not have budgeted time to improve the conversion tool.06:26
ddaaacuster: you should investigate running the mirror yourself, for example using bzr-svn.06:27
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acusteroh, I started with bzr-svn06:27
acusterit ends in an inconsistent state06:27
=== acuster ponders his next move
ddaayou could try hacking launchpad-cscvs06:28
ddaait's the conversion tool launchpad uses, it's released code06:29
=== acuster would rather work on bzr-svn
acusterbut actually, I'd rather work on my code06:29
ddaabzr-svn is harder, it has tricky data integrity issues06:29
ddaaacuster: I understand that it's all a distraction for you06:30
acusteris there any way to pull only the latest revision and start there?06:30
acusterwe might all be willing to ditch history06:30
ddaaacuster: wait06:30
acustersince we are at a major refactoring of the code anyhow06:30
acustertoday, or wait for cscvs to improve?06:31
ddaamh... if you're trying to make a transition (not a mirror) you could try svn2bzr.06:31
acusteryeah, I'm trying to evaluate bzr06:31
ddaaOtherwise, if you are willing to ditch the history, it's as simple as "bzr init; bzr add; bzr commit"06:31
acusterso far it's been 'iffy' which is the last thing you want a rcs to be :-)06:31
ddaaiffy?06:31
ddaaacuster: It seems to ME that there's something wrong with your repository if it's breaking both launchpad and bzr-svn06:32
ddaa(both code bases are completely independent)06:32
acusteriffy in that I don't have a working bzr tree06:32
acusteryes, could be06:32
acusterour repository is ten years of coding 06:33
acusterand some *huge* test files06:33
acusterIdeally we could ditch those in any transition06:33
acusterno, that's not true06:33
acustersvn is less old than that06:33
ddaaacuster: if you just want a working tree without history06:33
ddaayou could use the "hybrid tree" technique06:34
acusterstill, I wondering what bzr can handle06:34
ddaait's not pretty, but gets the job done06:34
acustercan I look up that term?06:34
acusteror is it yours06:34
acusteror you mean a bzr and .svn tree?06:34
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ddaaright .bzr and .svn in the same tree06:34
ddaalooking up the right bzr page06:34
AnMasterhm what about tailor06:34
ddaaoh, right or tailor06:35
acusterbut I didn't know if that could be expected to work right06:35
AnMastercan't it transform svn to bzr?06:35
AnMasteriirc I used that once for that06:35
ddaahttp://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrMigration?highlight=%28conversion%29#head-45d1d93c64578685cc2c942204f8a31840a5fa6706:35
AnMasterindeed :)06:35
AnMasterwhat was the url to tailor now again... hm google doesn't find it06:36
ddaaHere you can find some useful patterns: http://bazaar-vcs.org/TrackingUpstream06:36
ddaatailor: http://progetti.arstecnica.it/tailor06:36
AnMasterthanks06:36
AnMaster<ddaa> acuster: It seems to ME that there's something wrong with your repository if it's breaking both launchpad and bzr-svn <-- so what happens using tailor?06:37
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ddaatailor is fairly simple-minded, so it might work better than more sophisticated tools on iffy repositories06:38
acusterokay thanks. I'm on dialup for the next few weeks so I don't get to resolve tailor/svn2bzr tests now. 06:38
acusterperhaps I'll wander back if I get a clean bzr repository out of svn06:38
acusterthanks and ciao06:38
AnMasterbtw, what is "iffy"?06:38
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acusterin english?06:40
acusteriffy is means that things are not certain.06:40
AnMasterah06:40
AnMasterI'm not a native speaker06:40
acusterthere are lots of 'if's' around06:40
acusterso it is if-y 06:41
acusterfull of if's06:41
acustermuch like salt-y06:41
oojahif ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no need for tinkers.06:42
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Hobbsee(it's not proper english, though - it's a colloquial)06:42
ddaahttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iffy06:42
Hobbseeoh no, not that thing06:43
ddaaacuster: working with bzr on the launchpad code base, i can tell you it's quite robust and reliable.06:43
ddaabut then #bzr would be a better place to get bzr-specific help06:43
acusterare there any repository size issues?06:44
acusterthat you know of06:44
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acustersomehow asking on #bzr if their tool is not a heap of junk seems slight, errm, well, rude ;-)06:45
acusteractually, its more that it seems inflamatory06:45
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ddaamh... maybe you should frame your issues better. The error that's causing the launchpad import to fail is a libsvn error...06:45
ddaaso one could equally ask the same thing about svn...06:46
ddaain any case, as far as I can tell, you only have issues with conversion tools at this point06:46
acusterindeed06:47
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ddaaacuster: so you could use the approach described in http://bazaar-vcs.org/TrackingUpstream to dispense with conversion tools06:48
acusterI trust svn just as little. (/me is very nervous about these revision control systems)06:48
acusteryeah06:48
ddaathat would allow you to evaluate bzr06:48
acusterI think I'll try a hybrid to track trunk06:48
acusterand branch off of that to do work06:48
ddaaacuster: right, that's the way to do it06:48
acusterthanks again06:49
ddaayou're welcome06:51
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ubotuNew bug: #151014 in malone ""Also affects" distribution defaults to Baltix" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15101407:15
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AnMastercan I choose to not use launchpad for bugs for a specific project but only for bzr hosting and translations and such?08:05
AnMasterwe got our own bug tracker at our webpage that we prefer08:05
salgadoAnMaster, sure! are you the registrant of the project in launchpad?08:06
AnMasteryes I am08:07
AnMasterhttps://launchpad.net/envbot/08:07
AnMasterbut I can't find where to make such settings08:07
AnMastersalgado, as we use trac on website (where due to some reasons we can host main branch but not for most developers, it is rather complex hosting related reasons), we handle bugs there too08:08
AnMasterah think I found it at last08:08
AnMasteras for translations, adding support for that is planned very shortly08:08
salgadoAnMaster, you should be able to change that on https://launchpad.net/envbot/+edit08:09
AnMastersalgado, just found it a few seconds before08:09
AnMasterthanks08:09
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mdkedanilos: around?08:17
AnMastersomething I find confusing is that I very often end up below some user rather than below some project when looking at branches08:17
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AnMastermaybe I'm just used to project-centric systems like sourceforge rather than this that seems to be user-centric08:18
AnMasterbut is still confusing08:18
AnMasterhow does this with team work?08:21
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Kmoshow to remove a package from PPA ?08:54
Kmoshttps://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/1287708:58
Kmosi found it08:58
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DavieyHey, i pushed to PPA 5.5 hours and it isn't showing as queued.. Any ideas?09:05
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AnMasterwhere do I find out about this "team" feature that is mentioned at adding "drivers"09:34
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AnMasterhow do I create one?09:36
stdinAnMaster: https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+newteam09:37
AnMasterah was not easy to find09:37
AnMasterlaunchpad need easier to find docs09:37
stdinyeah, I only know because I found it for someone a few days ago09:37
AnMasterstdin, um, why does it say "edge" at the beginning?09:38
stdinAnMaster: because I'm on the launchpad beta testers team, and edge is the development version, you can remove that bit if you want09:38
AnMasterah09:38
AnMaster:)09:38
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