[01:19] <gnomefreak> buntunub: because people dont understand that it may break and they freak out
[01:19] <xid> I installed kubuntu gutsy and got a warning about proprietary nvidia drivers not being enabled.  How do I enable them?
[01:19] <buntunub> beta= for testers ONLY
[01:19] <gnomefreak> buntunub: instea dof my idea locking channel and asking questions to people wanting to join its easier this way
[01:19] <macogw> heh we're learning about the mythical man month....i'm thinking "my grandma could've told them that.  she'd say 'too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the soup' about adding a billion devs in the last month to try to get something out the door"
[01:19] <kevinO> xid under system>administration>restriceted drivers manager
[01:19] <kevinO> xid oh nevermind thats for gnome
[01:20] <DM|> xid lemme load kicker, one sec
[01:20] <PriceChild> buntunub, not really... beta is a stage where the software becomes a little more stable, and the creator feels it is time for a broader range of testers so sets that title
[01:20] <kevinO> xid i would think you need to look for the restricted drivers manager either way
[01:20] <hydrogen> buntunub: but anyone can be a tester.
[01:20] <xid> hmm
[01:21] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: tester can be anyone but we strongly suggest you have used ubuntu for a while and know what apt dpkg is and how they work (oh and you must know how to read)
[01:21] <hydrogen> gnomefreak: right.. but its not like you are one of an elite to be a tester
[01:22] <hydrogen> in fact, testers should be from a wide range of people
[01:22] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: no
[01:22] <DM|> xid should be able to run "sudo /usr/bin/restricted-manager"
[01:22] <AnRkey> I force my wife to run gutsy
[01:22] <gnomefreak> they should but you missed it in here before
[01:22] <hydrogen> because the "elite" may use shortcuts more and not test all of the apps along the way
[01:22] <DM|> xid in a terminal
[01:22] <xid> DM| yes
[01:22] <AnRkey> now how is that for commitment?
[01:22] <gnomefreak> the elite means nothing to ubuntu nor to me
[01:22] <kling0n> AnRkey: my gf has never been happier than when i changed windows on her comp to linux
[01:23] <DM|> kling0n does she have a sister
[01:23] <kling0n> AnRkey: ahh.. all those popus are gone! thats *smart*
[01:23] <xid> xid: I found it under system settings > advanced > restricted drivers
[01:23] <PriceChild> AnRkey, i'd say that's a little silly.... gutsy isn't finished yet and shouldn't be used on production systems
[01:23] <kling0n> popus=popus
[01:23] <xid> err...
[01:23] <kling0n> popus=popups
[01:23] <kling0n> argh
[01:23] <xid> thanks
[01:23] <AnRkey> PriceChild, noted :D
[01:23] <kling0n> DM|: she does indeed :)
[01:23] <AnRkey> Sheesh, what was I thinking
[01:23] <DM|> kling0n =D
[01:23] <hydrogen> hows /that/ for commitment!
[01:23] <AnRkey> considering that I run a network with 500 workstations and all
[01:24] <ximal_> lol
[01:24] <PriceChild> AnRkey, oh wow... I'm sorry and pale in your greatness. I don't know what I was thinking.
[01:24] <ximal_> why even compile
[01:24] <ximal_> or upgrade..
[01:24] <ximal_> go to the add/remove and search it..
[01:24] <ximal_> then install it and let it auto complete
[01:24] <ximal_> lol
[01:24] <AnRkey> PriceChild, I forgive you. Just don't let it happen again :D
[01:24] <DM|> ubuntu ircs have become epeen contests :X
[01:25] <hydrogen> ximal_: the new version of git wasn't availible for feisty at the time
[01:25] <hydrogen> DM|: mines bigger.
[01:25] <DM|> hydrogen epeen? ok, gratz
[01:25] <Pierre> << happy user :)
[01:25] <ximal_> ahh
[01:25] <DM|> Pierre good, thats what i like to hear
[01:26] <ximal_> hey .. curious guys.. how do i get utorrent in wine to download to my LINUX folder instead of the virtual WINE folder ?
[01:26] <ximal_> is there a way to do that ?
[01:26] <Pierre> :)
[01:26] <ximal_> i can't figure it out yet
[01:26] <kling0n> hmm my sound seems to have gone missing
[01:27] <Pierre> DM|: gutsy solves almost all issues I had, networkmanager rocks (works with vpn now > windows), umts works (chatting through my e65 now :) and other new things make me happy :)
[01:27] <Reaby> ximal_: you need to make samba share with write priviledges on linux and use bind it to virtual drive in vmware
[01:27] <PriceChild> ximal_, you have to set wine up with a drive below wherever youw ant to save to, ~/downloads for example, then tell utorrent to save to that drive
[01:27] <ximal_> ahh
[01:27] <PriceChild> ximal_, winecfg is your friend
[01:27] <ximal_> lemme check it out..
[01:27] <Reaby> damn.. wine != vmware
[01:27] <DM|> Pierre chatting through your e65 lol nice
[01:27] <ximal_> yes..
[01:27] <ximal_> but without bloating
[01:27] <earlmred> yay 31 gutsy updates.
[01:28] <ximal_> vmware makes you use windows
[01:28] <ximal_> i don't wanna use windows..
[01:28] <ximal_> i wanna save to my linux folder..
[01:28] <Reaby> why not use azeures ?
[01:28] <PriceChild> ximal_, have you tried ktorrent?
[01:28] <ximal_> i'm only using wine to do torrent dl and play games..
[01:28] <DM|> ximal_ what u trying to run in wine
[01:28] <earlmred> i use deluge
[01:28] <ximal_> ktorrent didn't get the same results as utorrent..
[01:28] <PriceChild> I hear its an excellent replacement for utorrent
[01:28] <Pierre> DM|: nothing better to test it, but will use umts for more productive stuff tomorrow on the road :)
[01:28] <ximal_> i think ktorrent has prejudice against itself
[01:28] <PriceChild> although rtorrent is my fav :)
[01:28] <ximal_> like search engines abstaining from giving it results
[01:28] <PriceChild> DM|, read the conversation above.
[01:28] <earlmred> does rtorrent load blocklists?
[01:28] <DM|> Azureus has always worked wonders for me
[01:29] <PriceChild> deluge is also good and reads blocklists... they do have a gutsy repo too hidden away.
[01:29] <DM|> Pricechild i see it now :) was switching cube faces
[01:29] <earlmred> hmm
[01:29] <earlmred> is there a cisco vpn client for ubuntu/linux?
[01:29] <mc44> transmission is good as a lightwight gtk torrent
[01:29] <xid> how do I know which nvidia-glx I need?
[01:30] <PriceChild> xid, what card do you have?
[01:30] <DM|> earlmred if there is.. i want it
[01:30] <PriceChild> if you are unsure, type "glxinfo | grep VGA" into a terminal
[01:30] <earlmred> sweet there is.
[01:30] <xid> k
[01:30] <earlmred> DM|, wget http://www.mcmaster.ca//uts/network/software/vpnclient4.8.tar.gz
[01:30] <xid> PriceChild: returns null
[01:31] <DM|> earlmred noted, thanks
[01:31] <PriceChild> xid, argghhh sorry
[01:31] <PriceChild> xid, lspci | grep VGA
[01:31] <earlmred> DM|, too bad it failed to compile against 2.6.22-13
[01:31] <wabiD> update notifier is out, why is it still in the topic
[01:31] <xid> GeForce 4 420 Go
[01:31] <wabiD> should change it to , run update if your notifier is broken
[01:31] <DM|> earlmred ah time will only tell my friend
[01:31] <PriceChild> thinking about something else at the same time which altered my typing :)
[01:32] <PriceChild> xid, nvidia-glx should work fine... I "think" it might also work with -new but I can't be sure without going to check.
[01:32] <ximal_> ughh
[01:32] <ximal_> how do you KILL a hung app ?
[01:32] <DM|> ximal_ kde or gnome?
[01:32] <earlmred> hmm
[01:32] <earlmred> linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[01:32] <xid> hah hah ... why does the topic say "DON'T run Gutsy!"?
[01:33] <ximal_> basic buntu install.. prolly kde
[01:33] <mc44> wabiD: really? not here it isn't :
[01:33] <mc44> :)
[01:33] <PriceChild> xid, erm.... because you probably shouldn't?
[01:33] <macogw> ximal_: to keep newbies from screwing themselves over
[01:33] <DM|> ximal_ if you know how it appears in your sys mon, "killall <appname>
[01:33] <macogw> er...xid i mean
[01:33] <PriceChild> macogw, tab completion strikes again!
[01:33] <xid> I see heh heh
[01:33] <DM|> ximal_ otherwise in gnome, system>admin> System monitor, find the app, kill it
[01:33] <xid> I'm just playing around, so I think I'll be ok... I promise not to sue the generous developers
[01:34] <macogw> PriceChild: actually tab completion got the right one and i backspaced out because i thought tab completion got the wrong one
[01:34] <ximal_> ahh
[01:34] <ximal_> duh... system monitor
[01:34] <ximal_> lol
[01:34] <PriceChild> :P
[01:34] <PriceChild> Silly macogw :)
[01:34] <DM|> ximal_ that isnt really a question for this channel tho
[01:34] <ximal_> im not killing all
[01:34] <ximal_> i know better
[01:34] <ximal_> lol
[01:35] <wabiD> i just did a refresh and it showed up
[01:35] <wabiD> 0.6.1
[01:35] <mc44> wabiD: mirrors take a while to sync
[01:35] <wabiD> compiz is still crashing like crazy for me today though
[01:35] <|neon|> have a question been running gutsy and updating regularly,   when final      comes out do i need to re-install everything or just update? thx
[01:35] <DM|> update
[01:35] <|neon|> thx
[01:36] <PriceChild> !final | |neon|
[01:36] <ubotu> |neon|: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[01:38] <DM|> man o man my burner must stink, been trying to get this old machine up with ubuntu and every cd is bad
[01:38] <xid> does X restart when you login/logout?
[01:38] <PriceChild> DM|, what image are you using?
[01:38] <PriceChild> xid, I believe that is a customisable option, "system > admin > login screen" then on there somewhere
[01:39] <DM|> started with gutsy went back to feisty, then edgy, and now im on dapper ( CDs id burned before )
[01:39] <xid> what is the easiest way to restart X?
[01:39] <Reaby> alt-ctrl-backspace ?
[01:39] <PriceChild> DM|, have you run md5 sums on the images you downloaded
[01:39] <markelhas> ppl need some help to solve this apt-get problem plz help. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40013/
[01:39] <DM|> xid alt cntl backspace x2
[01:39] <ximal_> ughh
[01:39] <wabiD> why times two?
[01:39] <ximal_> stupid bit torrent
[01:39] <DM|> Pricechild aye, running it with k3b this time
[01:40] <PriceChild> DM|, have you run the program ont he disc itself on the boot menu to check it?
[01:40] <ximal_> oh well
[01:40] <ximal_> least it's downloading for me
[01:40] <PriceChild> (or md5sum'd the burnt disc)
[01:40] <DM|> Pricechild didnt for the ones before, will be doing with this new burn
[01:41] <ximal_> anyone know if there is a frostwire pro ? i know limewire has one..
[01:41] <DM|> ximal_ frostwire is pretty much limewire pro....
[01:42] <ximal_> i noticed it has an add section..
[01:42] <DM|> ximal_ same dev team, they broke away from limewire
[01:42] <ximal_> like an add though..
[01:42] <ximal_> would i need to go through and recompile it to get rid of all adds ? I also can't play files straight from frostwire though..
[01:42] <ximal_> like launching them..
[01:43] <DM|> ximal_ i wouldnt play files straight from frostwire if it was the last thing i could play files with, its buggy and does not work all the time, just go to the incomplete or complete folder and try and run them
[01:43] <ximal_> oiy... it's what i do.. but i'm lazy.. lol
[01:43] <ximal_> so i don't always like doing that..
[01:44] <markelhas> ppl need some help to solve this apt-get problem plz help. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40013/
[01:44] <DM|> ximal_ laziness will be your downfall
[01:44] <markelhas> !apt-get
[01:44] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[01:44] <ximal_> yes dm.. i know... it always has been
[01:45] <DM|> markelhas read the topic, update-notifier is broken
[01:45] <DM|> markelhas use apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:45] <markelhas> DM|, how can i do that?
[01:45] <JediMaster> wow, I still can't believe that I just can't bring myself to ditch windows just yet =(. and I'm pretty much a linux geek, I've run redhat 3+, debian, ubuntu, cobalt raq's and a few other flavours, yet I just can't ditch windows for the last one or two apps and games =(
[01:45] <DM|> markelhas terminal.
[01:45] <markelhas> DM|, sorry didn't check that in the channel title
[01:46] <markelhas> DM|, thnks
[01:46] <wabiD> what apps
[01:46] <DM|> markelhas np
[01:46] <JediMaster> Adobe Lightroom is the big one
[01:46] <markelhas> DM|, going to try
[01:46] <wabiD> i still like autogk and cant get anything on linux to run as easily
[01:46] <DM|> PriceChild mwahaha 6.06 cd worked on it.. gonna be a hella update tho
[01:46] <ximal_> hmm
[01:46] <JediMaster> f-spot just can't compete with it
[01:47] <JediMaster> and I'm just too addicted to Everquest 2 (aka evercrack) lol
[01:47] <markelhas> DM|, solve thnks
[01:47] <DM|> jedimaster that game was horrible
[01:47] <markelhas> DM|, solved thnks
[01:47] <cpoucet> Why the new and rather ugly font for firefox in 7.10?
[01:47] <DM|> markelhas anytime
[01:47] <ximal_> hmm... frostwire won't start.. i have jvruntim 6
[01:47] <ximal_> do you need to cfg it too ?
[01:47] <JediMaster> DM|: horrible as in addictive or just not good?
[01:47] <markelhas> DM|, i've other problems :P
[01:47] <PriceChild> cpoucet, change it.
[01:47] <cpoucet> PriceChild: how?
[01:48] <DM|> Jedimaster i played EQ1 for 6 years, betad EQ2, couldnt stand it
[01:48] <PriceChild> cpoucet, edit > preferences.... I'm sure you can figure out the rest :)
[01:48] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[01:48] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:48] <JediMaster> I played EQ1 for 3 years, but EQ2 is a good game =)
[01:48] <ximal_> hmm
[01:48] <wabiD> installed frostwire yesterday with jre6
[01:48] <wabiD> worked fine here, whats the error
[01:49] <gavintlgold> i still can't start X with proprietary drivers after an update.. :/
[01:49] <ximal_> no error
[01:49] <JediMaster> DM|: usual thing with sony, it evolved as people complained lol
[01:49] <ximal_> just doesn't start wabi
[01:49] <markelhas> DM|, i'm trying to windows share printer and every time that i print the jobs stays on windows saying printing and nothing happens. The only way to remove the file e rebooting the windows box. Any tips?
[01:49] <DM|> Jedimaster well it wouldnt be so bad if it werent for their horrible graphics lots of polygons does not = good graphics, their shading is poor, artistry is poor, and creativity is.... poor
[01:50] <PriceChild> !offtopic | DM|
[01:50] <ubotu> DM|: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:50] <ximal_> would someone ping or kick my Ximal tag
[01:50] <ximal_> i can't change to it still
[01:50] <PriceChild> ximal_, /msg nickserv ghost ximal <password>
[01:50] <DM|> !offtopic | PriceChild
[01:50] <ubotu> PriceChild: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:50] <PriceChild> ximal_, (if its registered)
[01:50] <ximal_> thanks
[01:51] <Ximal> hmm
[01:51] <Ximal> wow
[01:51] <JediMaster> Can anyone recommend a Lightroom replacement in ubuntu?
[01:51] <JediMaster> does one exist?
[01:51] <mc44> JediMaster: it's a photo manipulation thing? fspot maybe
[01:52] <JediMaster> Put it this way, I have 2x 4gb comptact flash cards full from my semi-pro camera, and that's from 2 days of shots
[01:52] <JediMaster> mc44: tried f-spot, but it just doesn't have anywhere near the features
[01:53] <erichj> picasa
[01:53] <mc44> JediMaster: there's always the gimp, but of course it's more photoshop
[01:53] <Ximal> hmm
[01:53] <JediMaster> yeah, I like gimp, but I don't consider it the same thing
[01:53] <wabiD> piscas is a good suggestion
[01:54] <JediMaster> lightroom is an entire workflow, from importing raw images, to photo manipulation/correction without altering the raw, tagging, printing and web, really sucks there's no linux version lol
[01:54] <JediMaster> I'll try picasa erichj, thanks
[01:54] <erichj> welcome
[01:54] <Reaby> JediMaster: why not try to run it on wine ?
[01:55] <JediMaster> just did
[01:55] <Reaby> guess with no luck
[01:55] <JediMaster> nope, it runs
[01:55] <Ximal> brb
[01:55] <PriceChild> JediMaster, specialised software like that is just worth dualbooting for really, :)
[01:55] <JediMaster> unbearably slow to redraw the screen
[01:55] <Ximal> hmm
[01:55] <JediMaster> PriceChild: maybe, but I do hate rebooting, and I really do love ubuntu
[01:56] <Reaby> JediMaster: qemu or vmware-player with xp :)
[01:56] <JediMaster> there's always vmware
[01:56] <JediMaster> lol
[01:56] <mc44> JediMaster: picasa does the whole workflow but not many options for manipulation
[01:56] <usser> perhaps kde's digiKam
[01:56] <PriceChild> JediMaster, shout at adobe :)
[01:56] <JediMaster> but, vmware doesn't support pixel-shaders for direct-x games, so I might as well dual-boot
[01:56] <Reaby> and lightroom uses those :)
[01:57] <JediMaster> it does?
[01:57] <Reaby> not
[01:57] <macogw> PriceChild: why is it that the quickreply box on ubuntuforums and the text boxes for typing replies are completely *poof* for me?
[01:57] <macogw> is u-f broken?
[01:57] <PriceChild> macogw, disabled javascript?
[01:57] <PriceChild> oh wait the text boxes should be fine still though...
[01:57] <macogw> PriceChild: not to my knowledge....
[01:57] <PriceChild> only quick replies are js
[01:58] <PriceChild> macogw, not running "noscript" extensino?
[01:58] <PriceChild> *is on a dialup of dialup connection so will take a while for me to check it out*
[01:58] <MyCatVerbs> Sorry for bugging the channel with this, but I've no idea how to verify this myself, so. Anyone know, please, what version of the nVidia proprietary driver is packaged in 7.10, please?
[01:58] <macogw> PriceChild:  nope.  might be a granparadiso bug..
[01:58] <MyCatVerbs> (Since 7.04's doesn't support my current card.)
[01:58] <PriceChild> MyCatVerbs, /msg ubotu info nvidia-glx gutsy
[01:58] <PriceChild> MyCatVerbs, /msg ubotu info nvidia-glx-legacy gutsy
[01:58] <PriceChild> MyCatVerbs, /msg ubotu info nvidia-glx-legacy-new gutsy
[01:58] <PriceChild> bah
[01:59] <PriceChild> you get what i mean :)
[01:59] <usser> MyCatVerbs: 100.14.19 here
[01:59] <MyCatVerbs> ...
[01:59] <PriceChild> MyCatVerbs, what card are you on?
[01:59] <kevinO> mc44: when it hung up i noticed my 360 controller started to flash, so i unplugged it and now it boots fine
[02:00] <mc44> kevinO: how odd
[02:00] <MyCatVerbs> PriceChild: passively-cooled 8600GT with an 80mm case fan lying on top of it. ;)
[02:00] <PriceChild> MyCatVerbs, nvidia-glx-new should work fine :)
[02:00] <JediMaster> ok, the real issue left now with my gutsy install =)... http://pastebin.com/m42686641
[02:00] <PriceChild> MyCatVerbs, the newest driver labelled in restricted manager
[02:00] <usser> MyCatVerbs: im running 8600Gt right now
[02:00] <kevinO> mc44 i forgot i installed drivers last night for the 360 controller to work with gutsy and i did not reboot till today
[02:01] <usser> MyCatVerbs: on gutsy
[02:01] <JediMaster> basically every time I log in, I get that error, and the output of the commands it asks are listed there
[02:01] <JediMaster> and I'm stuck on the US layout keyboard and can't get it to switch to UK without that error coming up, I'm guessing XKB needs to be running but isn't?
[02:01] <macogw> PriceChild: hmm works with ff2
[02:02] <PriceChild> macogw, what doesn't it work with?
[02:02] <macogw> ff3
[02:02] <PriceChild> macogw, (lets move to #ubuntuforums?)
[02:02] <macogw> kk
[02:02] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: macogw what doesnt work with ff3?
[02:02] <squidy> hello guys.. something news about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/149764
[02:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149764 in compiz "slow gtk popup menus with gtk dual head" [Undecided,New] 
[02:02] <macogw> gnomefreak: no textboxes on ubuntuforums
[02:02] <MyCatVerbs> PriceChild, usser: thanks both. I just installed 7.04 i686 yesterday (and holy HELL has Ubuntu improved these last few months, by the way - damn slick installer, amongst other things), just realised, "Oh, oops." So now I'm waiting for my machine to finish pulling the 7.10 amd64 .iso.
[02:03] <gnomefreak> macogw: ok hold on a sec let me see if this is widely seen
[02:03] <Ximal> ok
[02:03] <Ximal> back
[02:03] <Ximal> now... frostwire still isn't booting
[02:03] <MyCatVerbs> By the way, whoever organised the memory-stick installation procedure? I like that person, whoe'er they might be. ^_^
[02:03] <Ximal> maybe a restart is warranted ?
[02:03] <JediMaster> LMAO, I've had a rackmount 24 port d-link switch for at least 7 years now, and I've only just noticed that the protective sticky clear plastic is still on it lol
[02:03] <Ximal> bah going to try it.. brb
[02:03] <ibara> ok, drag and drop from archives just totally made gutsy worth it for me... lol
[02:04] <wabiD> are there any compiz bugs posted
[02:04] <MyCatVerbs> JediMaster: ehhh, that is the *definition* of good networking hardware, though - it works sufficiently well that you're able to just forget that it exists in the first place. ^_^
[02:04] <gnomefreak> macogw: what version of ff3?
[02:04] <|neon|> is there a  deb package for gyachi/gyache for gutsy
[02:04] <wabiD> from today
[02:04] <JediMaster> MyCatVerbs: true, never had a problem with it
[02:04] <gnomefreak> |neon|: somewhere on the web maybe
[02:04] <PriceChild> |neon|, have you looked?
[02:05] <|neon|> sure have on ther website , i tried installing the deb package there with no luck
[02:05] <macogw> gnomefreak: it seems it was just a blip.  i killed ff3 and used ff2 to reply and when i updated and opened ff3 again it worked fine.  it did finish updating ff3 in between the two though
[02:05] <gnomefreak> |neon|: make sure its compatible
[02:05] <PriceChild> |neon|, you didn't look in the ubuntu repositories?
[02:05] <gnomefreak> macogw: it works fine now?
[02:05] <macogw> gnomefreak: yeah
[02:06] <gnomefreak> macogw: ok cool ill let developer know ty
[02:06] <|neon|> no ihave not , tho iran a search with synapctic for the gutsy repo   i have and no luck
[02:06] <macogw> gnomefreak: *shrug* i just updated it though and it works post-update so i guess it's ok
[02:06] <PriceChild> !info gyache
[02:06] <ubotu> Package gyache does not exist in gutsy
[02:06] <PriceChild> !info gyachi
[02:06] <ubotu> Package gyachi does not exist in gutsy
[02:06] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: they are not there
[02:06] <gnomefreak> already checked
[02:07] <PriceChild> ah k
[02:07] <gnomefreak> |neon|: search for a deb on ubuntuforums or google it. we cant help much since its not in our repos its unofficial and we have no control over how it was built. sounds to me you are missing depends that you need to install it
[02:08] <|neon|> gnomefreak: doing so right now thx
[02:08] <savvas> oh yeah, the new compiz.. fixed the maximized terminal bug ;)
[02:09] <savvas> anyway, back to my bacteria!
[02:10] <DShepherd> anyone on a hp with hibernate working in gutsy?
[02:10] <JediMaster> I seem to be having the same problem as this bug in the latest gutsy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/67188
[02:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67188 in xkeyboard-config ""Error activating XKB configuration." - Requires manual xorg.conf editing" [High,Confirmed] 
[02:11] <LiMaO> why's that on the topic now? not to run gutsy
[02:11] <macogw> savvas: what bug is that? the one where maximized windows twitch?
[02:12] <JediMaster> macogw: yes, I've had that 'twitching' earlier, kind of freaky
[02:12] <gnomefreak> LiMaO: its not advised to run something that is broken
[02:13] <LiMaO> did they brake it? hehe it was working yesterday =P
[02:13] <LiMaO> except for some little things here and there
[02:13] <savvas> macogw: ah no, I think they haven't fixed that yet. when you hit F11 the terminal goes fullscreen, and it just shows the background until you click on it
[02:13] <LiMaO> break*
[02:13] <JediMaster> wow, have they upgraded compiz since this morning?
[02:13] <savvas> hm
[02:13] <macogw> LiMaO: well newbies tend to go "i wanna try the new stuff!!" and not consider that if X goes *death* they'll be freaking out
[02:13] <gnomefreak> LiMaO: a few updates broke it. its expected to break some more in around a week and im sure between now and than
[02:13] <savvas> oops
[02:13] <macogw> savvas: oh i neer tried that
[02:14] <macogw> *never
[02:14] <savvas> I ran the update!
[02:14] <savvas> ah bummer
[02:14] <LiMaO> gnomefreak: i'm glad i went back to feisty this afternoon... i should call this one a production machine...
[02:15] <LiMaO> but anyway, gutsy surely will be one of (not to say THE) best release up to now
[02:15] <LiMaO> it's just awesome. fast, stable and still beautiful at the same time
[02:15] <gnomefreak> simple terms, if you cant do without a pc for 2days-4months dont use devel systems
[02:15] <macogw> what broke?
[02:16] <savvas> eh, that's why we have dual boot :)
[02:16] <macogw> nothing's broke on my box
[02:16] <gnomefreak> LiMaO: mine runs fine, because i can fix it if it breaks
[02:16] <savvas> macogw: the update-manager
[02:16] <savvas> oh that
[02:16] <LiMaO> gnomefreak: i understand the point.. too many new people (which is good) that still aren't prepared to deal with problems
[02:16] <macogw> heh i could always boot into "uber-stable debian stable"....and have my laptop lock up in less than 5 minutes
[02:16] <macogw> savvas: oh. i use apt
[02:16] <gnomefreak> macogw: compiz is broke for some u-n and a bunch more see launchpad.net/+bugs
[02:16] <macogw> compiz works fine for me
[02:17] <macogw> ive updated twice today
[02:17] <LiMaO> gnomefreak: i would be running gutsy now, if oo.org writer worked for me
[02:17] <gnomefreak> macogw: notice for some
[02:17] <macogw> once was a few minutes ago
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !works for me
[02:17] <Jordan_U> I used update-manager to upgrade to Gutsy and while removing obsoleted packages I ran glxinfo, not realizing that with my SIS GPU it would cause X to crash, my question is whether the update-manager back end continues to run if X restarts?
[02:17] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:17] <macogw> heh
[02:17] <LiMaO> and probably i would have broken it aswell, as i was updating it all the time hehe
[02:17] <JediMaster> macogw: just updated and update-notifier won't upgrade
[02:17] <macogw> JediMaster: see thats something i dont think id notice since i dont use the gui updater
[02:17] <gnomefreak> JediMaster: sure they will if you go to launchpad and get the 0.61 debs or wait until archive admin pushes it
[02:18] <gnomefreak> macogw: its not update-managers fault
[02:18] <JediMaster> macogw: I did it through apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:18] <macogw> i mean i wouldnt notice if update-manager was broken because i havent tried to use it
[02:18] <gnomefreak> it happens with apt-get the package has a typo in one of the files
[02:18] <savvas> gnomefreak: do they have all the info necessary for the update-notifier problem?
[02:19] <Jordan_U> Does update-manager have a back end that continues running if X restarts?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> savvas: yes its been pushed and built hence the "see launchpad.net for the 0.61 debs" comment i made
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: no
[02:19] <savvas> ok, cheers
[02:20] <JediMaster> brb
[02:21] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, Do you have any idea why I don't have a stale lock file, or dpkg complaining about being interrupted? ( exactly that happened while in the middle of removing obsoleted packages after upgrading from Feisty )
[02:21] <gnomefreak> if not i suggest he reads up on apt and dpkg
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: a bunch of things could have happened
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: does apt-get update run?
[02:22] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, Yes, everything is fine, but since dpkg should have been interrupted it shouldn't be ( though I think I am just missing something )
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: if that works than ther eis no problem and i dont understand what you are asking
[02:23] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, It's not a problem, ( nothing is wrong ), I was just wondering if it was a feature of update manager not to die completely when loosing X
[02:24] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, It's a strange question, and not particularly important
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: update-manager should die but if dpkg is running in update-manager it may continue without dying
[02:25] <Reaby> hmm i did upgrade and package command-not-found 0.2.8ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: aliprosessi post-installation script returned errorcode 1
[02:25] <reya276> crdlb: wazzup man
[02:26] <Jordan_U> Reaby, Does command-not-found work? ( try typing "bb" in a terminal and see if installing bb with apt-get is suggested )
[02:27] <sayers> why in the world does this say "error while storing folder 'inbox', summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync" in Evolution
[02:27] <Reaby> Jordan_U: it works, i got it configured by dpkg --configure -a with few times.
[02:27] <Reaby> then crash report bring up that warning.
[02:27] <Reaby> should i file a bug ?
[02:30] <Reaby> doesn't hurt to file anyway :)
[02:32] <Luke> My desktop and notebook have compiz enabled but with my desktop (integrated nvidia card) has more than a few windows open, the content of the window is just black. the window manager (border etc) still displays correcty. How can I fix this?
[02:34] <Reaby> ach, it crashed for parsing error: "var/lib/dpkg/updates/0031" on row 1 has near row 1 error on #padding - possible new linefeed character or something, using localized version so some difficulties on translitterating back to english :)
[02:38] <Jordan_U> Reaby, What language?
[02:39] <Reaby> finnish
[02:39] <Reaby> well it's mainy because of my bad english
[02:39] <Reaby> well not that bad
[02:39] <Reaby> but still
[02:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here gotten TOR working on gutsy?
[02:41] <Luke> FunnyLookinHat: haha what'd you need that for =P
[02:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Get past my school's firewall
[02:42] <erichj> he like many others probably values his privacy
[02:42] <FunnyLookinHat> blocks 5600  :(
[02:42] <Luke> =/
[02:43] <FunnyLookinHat> not as much...  Tor is hardly anonymous   : )
[02:43] <Luke> aren't you in like utah or something now?
[02:43] <FunnyLookinHat> It's the encryption that just helps
[02:43] <macogw> omg sunbird is actually in the repos now
[02:43] <macogw> oh bah 0.5
[02:44] <macogw> 0.7 is a huge improvement....except that the nightly builds dont work on ubuntu and for it to compile you have to comment out the tab-autocompletion code
[02:44] <FunnyLookinHat> lame
[02:46] <savvas> gnomefreak: do you have a link for update-notifier's .deb package? I can't seem to find it in launchpad, all I could find is: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-notifier/ubuntu
[02:47] <gnomefreak> savvas: yeah give me a minute
[02:47] <gnomefreak> savvas: first https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/update-notifier-common/0.61
[02:47] <gnomefreak> savvas: than https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/update-notifier/0.61
[02:49] <savvas> hum, thanks
[02:49] <savvas> I've been looking in the code, silly me :P
[02:50] <savvas> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
[02:50] <savvas> dpkg: ... it looks like that went OK.
[02:50] <savvas> heh
[02:51] <amadeux> Is it extremely risky to run update-manager -d and upgrade to current state gutsy, or is it not really a problem in most cases?
[02:51] <savvas> I love the human-oriented output :)
[02:51] <letalis> has anyone had problems in gutsy gibbon as far as getting a working linux framebuffer with the nvidia drivers?
[02:51] <letalis> X worked but my consoles were showing nothing but black whic i thought to be strange.
[02:52] <Jordan_U> letalis, But it wasn't doing this before installing the nvidia drivers?
[02:52] <savvas> amadeux: it has its ups and downs... you generally wait for some hours before actually doing the upgrades available
[02:52] <Luke> My desktop and notebook have compiz enabled but with my desktop (integrated nvidia card) has more than a few windows open, the content of the window is just black. the window manager (border etc) still displays correcty. How can I fix this?
[02:52] <magicrobotmonkey> hey i have a strange suspend bug where after waking up everything works except network manager cannot find any network interfaces
[02:52] <letalis> well i dont usually setup framebuffer support until i install the nvidia drivers proper on my X server
[02:52] <magicrobotmonkey> i can still connect using cli though
[02:53] <robinson> hey, all
[02:53] <letalis> but i like my consoles to be big enough that i dont have to scroll forever on a dmesg :)
[02:53] <robinson> running Kubnutu gutsy, how do i enable compiz-fusion?
[02:54] <Jordan_U> letalis, I did notice that I couldn't get my framebuffer as large in gutsy as I could in OpenSuse
[02:54] <amadeux> savvas: But I have feisty now. Can I just upgrade to gutsy by doing update-manager -d?
[02:54] <letalis> robinson theres probably a howto on kubuntu.org on how to do it, i imagine youll have to disable the K window manager and set compiz as the default
[02:54] <FunnyLookinHat> amadeux, well...   gksu update-manager -d          would be the correct way, but yes.
[02:55] <AirBender> Isn't it direct, like in gnome?
[02:55] <letalis> yeah in the menu.lst i set it up with video=nvidia vga=0x31B which if i remember correctly is 1280x1024x32
[02:55] <letalis> i used to use it
[02:56] <amadeux> FunnyLookinHat: And that would probably not be very risky?
[02:56] <savvas> amadeux: yes, you take a risk upgrading though, I formated the / partition and kept my /home partition intact
[02:56] <amadeux> savvas: I know I am talking a risk, that's sort of the standard disclaimer :)
[02:56] <letalis> i may look at the framebuffer howto and try a lower resolution
[02:56] <letalis> kinda sucks though
[02:57] <amadeux> savvas: I just want to know if it, in real life, just works for most people or doesn't work for most people
[02:57] <robinson> well, got compiz, but lost my window decorations
[02:57] <letalis> is there a way to set a default set of options in the menu.lst for grub?
[02:57] <macogw> letalis: framebuffer is currently busted on gutsy
[02:57] <savvas> amadeux: it worked for me! as I said, some bugs, like the compiz effects and some buggy updates, but you just have to be careful as to when you're upgrading :)
[02:57] <AirBender> letails, yes just before the automagic list of entries
[02:57] <letalis> ive seen information in the menu.lst file but im thinking that alot of that is for the scripts to generate a new one when a new kernel is released
[02:58] <robinson> got the window decorator back...
[02:58] <robinson> looks like i run compiz --replace && kde-window-decorator
[02:58] <letalis> macogw, well dont that suck.
[02:58] <letalis> :/
[02:58] <amadeux> savvas: well, I have compiz problems in feisty too, but that's from a backported compiz fusion package from... gutsy :)
[02:59] <savvas> amadeux: that's why they have this channel, to check for feedback before trying, or.. being a rambo and trying the upgrade :P
[02:59] <macogw> letalis: you can modify your initrd
[02:59] <AirBender> hahaha
[02:59] <cdm10> It would be nice if the categories from gnome-control-center were put into the Preferences menu.
[02:59] <amadeux> heheh
[02:59] <cdm10> Because right now, it's sort of a big jumble of unsorted applets.
[03:00] <AirBender> amadeux, I've upgraded to gutsy in mi PC and it's running quite fine, minimal troubles at the momment
[03:00] <AirBender> and also installed it on 3 laptops without major problems
[03:00] <AirBender> and it's since some weeks
[03:00] <AirBender> so, now it must be better
[03:01] <savvas> hmm yeah
[03:01] <savvas> there are some complaints about laptops
[03:01] <macogw> anyone successfully compiled firefox on gutsy?
[03:02] <amadeux> AirBender: cool. You just did gksu update-manager -d ?
[03:02] <AirBender> yeah, it's true, but there are also in feisty, and the others...
[03:02] <usser> macogw: word is firefox build requirements are insane
[03:02] <macogw> usser: i did a apt-get build-dep firefox already
[03:02] <macogw> usser: i have to build it for class because we're using xpcom and writing a firefox component
[03:02] <AirBender> amadeux, I did it with the alternate CD, but could be better with update-maneger
[03:02] <AirBender> manager
[03:02] <macogw> but i got compile errors on firefox
[03:02] <AirBender> but even better doing a clean upgrade
[03:03] <AirBender> burning a daily live image
[03:03] <amadeux> ok
[03:03] <amadeux> Well... My system is running fine so maybe I will just wait until the release :)
[03:04] <AirBender> yeah, If you have something to take care about, had better to wait
[03:04] <AirBender> In my case, I have all my stuff in another partition, and just upgraded the system
[03:04] <Peaker> pygame broke in gutsy?
[03:04] <AirBender> nothing to worry about
[03:04] <letalis> is nvidia fastwrite pretty much busted right now too?
[03:05] <letalis> i cant get it enabled on my 6800 for some reason
[03:07] <[Neurotic] > Hi all, I just wanted to confirm something - If I grab a copy of Gutsy Ubuntu Server Beta, do I need to do anything other that apt-get upgrade when the final release comes out?
[03:09] <xsacha> hey, i tried the gutsy gibbon beta live dvd on all my machines and it took about 3-4 minutes to get to the desktop :O then it got all slow and bogged down even though i have over 500MB being used as cache and no swap usage. how come it is being so slow?
[03:09] <xsacha> other live cds arent this slow :\ is it just a problem because it is beta?
[03:09] <xsacha> or will this be the state in the finished product?
[03:10] <AirBender> [Neurotic] , nothing at all, just updates
[03:10] <savvas> xsacha: you probably downloaded a daily build.. the beta is available as a cd at http://releases.ubuntu.com
[03:11] <[Neurotic] > AirBender, awesome, thanks for that. I have a VPS I need to setup, and I figured I would do it with the beta, and just continue on from there
[03:12] <AirBender> great
[03:13] <xsacha> savvas: i got this one: http://files.bigpond.com/library/index.php?go=details&id=30994  it's no good?
[03:14] <AirBender> xsasha, I suggest you to download only from the ubuntu servers
[03:14] <AirBender> this might be an older version, who knows
[03:14] <[Neurotic] > Does anyone know if Gutsy Server will actually boot up on VMWare workstation? it didn't on feisty
[03:14] <AirBender> at least in the prerelease stage
[03:14] <xsacha> AirBender: ah, problem is i have a "download cap" and if i download off that site (my ISP) it's free
[03:15] <AirBender> ahh, ok
[03:15] <xsacha> i request the distros and give my ISP the link to ubuntu server so they download it and provide it to everyone on their site. it should be official one
[03:15] <slimz> hey guys, im trying to open some dvds i had burned with windows, they are all udf dvd's i burned with nero, is there anything i have to change to open them, it says my dvd drive is empty
[03:16] <savvas> xsacha: where are you from? australia?
[03:16] <xsacha> yes
[03:17] <AirBender> but the problem is that you can't know certainly wich version of the live Cd you got
[03:17] <savvas> xsacha: I'd strongly recommend to try the official cd version: http://au.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[03:17] <xsacha> :( i can only download 10gb a month away from my ISP
[03:17] <savvas> ouch
[03:17] <xsacha> 10GB
[03:18] <xsacha> it's ok because my ISP will host 'anything' that is legal
[03:18] <xsacha> that link is meant to be the one they are hosting...
[03:18] <HHornblower> anyone here have some keymap know how?
[03:18] <FunnyLookinHat> Yes, for most people it does at this point.
[03:18] <savvas> heh
[03:19] <savvas> xsacha: ask them to get proper mirrors, a dvd is not the official release, they probably got the build from cdimage.ubuntu.com on the day of the release
[03:19] <mzuverink> so the firefox update today hosed all the bookmarks, any tips to fix that aside from visiting all the links in the/bookmarkbackups folder, I only have *.htm file in it?
[03:19] <HHornblower> my semicolon key is refusing to respond. but if I press shift and the same key, it still produces a colon (:)
[03:19] <HHornblower> xev doesn't give a keycode
[03:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey, how can I force aptitude to get a package from a particular repository rather than the default ubuntu one??
[03:19] <DanaG> Perhaps you have deadkeys enabled, or something.
[03:19] <Creationist> Has anyone had any success installing the official nVidia drivers in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[03:19] <HHornblower> DanaG: I did, at one point... commented it out.
[03:19] <savvas> xsacha: ask them to host the real files :P
[03:19] <xsacha> savvas: ok, ill try
[03:20] <Creationist> ...for some reason, my 3D performance is probably at 50% what it was in Feisty with the Restricted Drivers.
[03:20] <DanaG> Check the layout settings.
[03:20] <HHornblower> DanaG: What should I look for, specifically?
[03:20] <earlmred> wow
[03:20] <earlmred> 7 more updates
[03:20] <earlmred> i just did 33 updates not an hour ago
[03:20] <AirBender> haha
[03:20] <Creationist> earlmred: Welcome to Crunch Time for Ubuntu ;)
[03:21] <savvas> earlmred: read the /topic before you proceed :)
[03:21] <AirBender> the "prerelease" factor
[03:21] <earlmred> savvas, what, the don't run gutsy flag, even though i've been running it for awhile now? :)
[03:22] <Creationist> earlmred: I think they mean the part about Update-Notifier being broken ;)
[03:22] <earlmred> oh well
[03:22] <earlmred> seems to be working on mine, wonder what version i have atm
[03:22] <ladanc1> i have a question, and i'm not sure if i'm in the right room or not
[03:22] <Creationist> !ask | ladanc1
[03:22] <ubotu> ladanc1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:22] <ladanc1> well
[03:23] <ladanc1> my internal sata drive cropped out
[03:23] <Creationist> Trust me... these people will tell you if you're in the wrong room ;)
[03:23] <ladanc1> so i have an external USB one
[03:23] <AirBender> lol
[03:23] <ladanc1> when i tried to install alien so i could use RPMs
[03:23] <savvas> Creationist: you're in the wrong room :p
[03:23] <ladanc1> ubuntu would only point to /cdrom
[03:23] <Creationist> savvas: Story of my life, actually
[03:23] <ladanc1> but the usb drive won't mount there
[03:23] <earlmred> yeah i have .61 of update-notifier already
[03:24] <ladanc1> so, i'm not sure how to point ubuntu to know the install disc is in the USB drive instead of /cdrom
[03:24] <savvas> ladanc1: are you using ubuntu 7.10 beta?
[03:24] <ladanc1> yeah, i am
[03:24] <Creationist> ladanc1: Have you checked your /etc/fstab?
[03:24] <savvas> then you're in the right room for starters heh
[03:26] <erichj> ladanc1, create a symlink from the cdrom to the usb drive
[03:26] <savvas> wee!
[03:26] <savvas> :)
[03:27] <savvas> good night everyone
[03:27] <AirBender> bye
[03:31] <ladanc1> i've never used an external drive before with linux...how do i find the mount point for the usb drive?
[03:31] <ladanc1> i know it's in the /media folder
[03:33] <mzuverink> crimsun, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/140821
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140821 in gdm "[gutsy]  Can not change default GNOME splash background color (dup-of: 132833)" [Low,Invalid] 
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132833 in gdm "login background color is hardcoded" [Low,Triaged] 
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> low, triaged
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> nice one
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> against the tide it is
[03:34] <mzuverink> crimsun, work around is there for those who care
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> kdm i use
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:35] <mzuverink> I thinks ubuntu just making sure that us people who hate the nasty brown see it no matter what
[03:35] <AirBender> ladanc1
[03:37] <cliffstah> hey guys, any ideas how to accelerate fullscreen video in X11/Xgl?
[03:37] <cliffstah> my full screen video is slooooow
[03:37] <AirBender> ladanc1 you can choose the mount point that you want
[03:37] <cliffstah> it was perfect before the last update
[03:38] <magicrobotmonkey> cliffstah: i think x11 is not accelerated
[03:38] <AirBender> but I'm not sure what do you want... hehe
[03:38] <cliffstah> it was perfect before the last update :-)
[03:38] <winbond> what is apport-qt?
[03:38] <cliffstah> my xorg config has not changed either, I don't understand it
[03:39] <shirish> !packaging
[03:39] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[03:39] <winbond> cliffstah, why dont you reconfigure the xserver?
[03:39] <cliffstah> why should it need reconfiguring?
[03:40] <cliffstah> everything else is *perfect*
[03:40] <winbond> cliffstah, because if you dont do it yourself , it will never work right, you are frgetting this is linux
[03:40] <cliffstah> its only full screen video playback that seems to be the problem
[03:40] <cliffstah> winbond: I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just asking you to justify the reason for reconfiguring :-)
[03:41] <cliffstah> "just because" isn't sufficient reason to do it
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> you play supertux or ppracer? ... try one or the other ...and you'll see the need for accellerated graphics
[03:41] <|neon|> have to update compiz twice in the last 30 minutes the 1st time it almost kill my setupppp
[03:41] <RAOF> cliffstah: What drivers/card?
[03:41] <cliffstah> nvidia/gf4 ti4200
[03:41] <|neon|> what is the dael with ubufox and can i install firefox 3 in conjuction with ff2
[03:42] <cliffstah> as I said, it was perfect before the last update
[03:42] <RAOF> cliffstah: What was in the last update?
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> |neon|, yes granparadiso can be installed beside ff2
[03:42] <hsystem-x> winbond said: cliffstah, because if you dont do it yourself , it will never work right, you are frgetting this is lnx
[03:42] <|neon|> nomasteryoda: thx
[03:42] <cliffstah> I saw what winbond said.
[03:42] <hsystem-x> yo are wrong.. winbond, there is a lot of scripts that do the work automatically..
[03:42] <hsystem-x> you*
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> i have it here fine... but had to copy over the plugins to the plugins folder in granparadiso
[03:42] <RAOF> And he's totally wrong :)
[03:43] <cliffstah> i don't understand what has changed, which wouldn't be a problem if I knew what it was that enabled video to be accelerated full screen in the first place
[03:43] <hsystem-x> linux right now is more easy than windows.
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> good to hear hsystem-x
[03:43] <cliffstah> RAOF: it was a new kernel, new restricted-drivers-generic, etc
[03:43] <erichj> are the restricted modules still down?
[03:43] <cliffstah> but aside from that, everything is set up exactly as it was
[03:44] <cliffstah> if I understood what it was that enabled video to accelerate fullscreen, I could fix it :-)
[03:44] <|neon|> hsystem-x: i agree 99% i can't still get dmraid to work aaat all or any raid config
[03:44] <cliffstah> nvagp is enabled, everything is in top shape as far as I can tell
[03:44] <freezerburn> Hey guys quick question.  I'm trying to find a file with a specific word in the filename how do I search for that file on a drive in Gutsy?
[03:44] <hsystem-x> and btw linux is 100 % customizable... try to do that on windows LOLL
[03:44] <|neon|> about to purchase an ARECA card to get mmmy issues over with
[03:44] <RAOF> cliffstah: Well, it depends.  If you're using Xgl then it uses the framebuffer-object support of the nvidia opengl drivers.  If you're not using Xgl, then it uses the Xv support of the nvidia driver.
[03:45] <cliffstah> I see
[03:45] <cliffstah> I am using Xgl (+compiz-fusion)
[03:45] <cliffstah> it's that kind of information that comes in handy :-)
[03:46] <hsystem-x> anybody can explain why the topic says "Dont run Gutsy ":S
[03:46] <cliffstah> so I need to look at framebuffer support..?  is this related to a module specified in the xorg config, or a kernel option? or both?
[03:46] <hsystem-x> ... is a beta if nobody is going to use it, the errors will still there...
[03:46] <hsystem-x> no logic.
[03:46] <RAOF> cliffstah: It *should* be provided by the nvidia drivers, and you can't turn it off (as far as I'm aware).
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> for most users that is hsystem-x
[03:46] <cliffstah> I see
[03:47] <RAOF> cliffstah: You could try disabling Xgl (create a file called ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable), and log out + log in.
[03:47] <winbond> do u know what "could not find the program %u" means?  i get that a lot
[03:47] <erichj> that message is meant for people who don't understand anything about linux. so let users that know what they are doing hunt down bugs
[03:47] <cliffstah> that would prevent compiz from running though, right?
[03:47] <|neon|> i'm using gutsy every day and yes i have minor issues maily related to compiz, avant window navigator and some issues with vmware i have no t notice any show stoppers
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> yes
[03:47] <RAOF> cliffstah: No, not unless you're using the nvidia-glx-legacy drivers (I don't think you need to be)
[03:47] <erichj> winbond, is that a message from firefox?
[03:48] <cliffstah> I see.  This is beginning to clear up some of the confusion, very much appreciated :-)
[03:48] <cliffstah> I'll check on that right now
[03:48] <winbond> erichj, no, that was a message from apport-qt (when submitting crash report)
 what problems are you having with vmware?
[03:49] <cliffstah> RAOF: humour me for a moment if you will :-)  where does Xgl fit into the compiz equation if it is not actually required?
[03:49] <erichj> well %u is command line parameter for files being passed to an application.
[03:49] <wabiD> whooho compiz update is out
[03:49] <hsystem-x> or do you have*
[03:50] <RAOF> cliffstah: Xgl is an X server that uses OpenGL to do all it's drawing.  It doesn't actually have anything to do with compiz at all, except that it provides all the extensions that compiz needs (Composite, GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, etc).
[03:51] <cliffstah> which are also provided by the glx drivers?
[03:51] <|neon|> cliffstah: if i run vmware and it is running and i try to use like k9copy,   k9copys crahses every time same with arson once i close vmware everything runs ok   as far as vmware itself there for while when creating a virtual machine it will error out it stopped a few updates ago
[03:51] <RAOF> cliffstah: The (open source) ati & intel drivers, and the nvidia binary drivers also provide these extensions, yes.
[03:51] <Ashbringer> Hey, ignore me if this is the wrong channel, but does ubuntu have ulimits by default?
[03:51] <cliffstah> I see!
[03:51] <cliffstah> so I have no reason to run Xgl at all
[03:51] <riotkittie> did the earlier compiz update completely break compiz for anyone? :|
[03:51] <|neon|> riotkittie: it did for me
[03:51] <Amaranth> riotkittie: it has a couple known problems
[03:52] <Amaranth> fixed soon
[03:52] <RAOF> cliffstah: Generally *worse* than Xgl provides (see problems with Xv + Compiz on the free drivers, resume-from-suspend on nvidia, etc), but they do provide them.
[03:52] <AirBender> if you use the ATI drivers, you need XGL
[03:52] <AirBender> because of the composite extension
[03:52] <cliffstah> Im using nvidia
[03:52] <AirBender> in order to get compiz running
[03:52] <Amaranth> RAOF: actually nvidia has fixed those problems
 , thats normal since vmware use your cd rom device.
[03:52] <AirBender> ahh, ok
[03:52] <Amaranth> RAOF: If you can suspend at all with nvidia you can suspend just fine with compiz running
[03:52] <AirBender> so forget Xgl
[03:52] <Ashbringer> Does gutsy have ulimits by default?
[03:52] <hsystem-x> you can use cd rom on your host while using it on vmware
[03:52] <cliffstah> great.
[03:53] <RAOF> Amaranth: Last time I tried it kinda worked, yes.
[03:53] <cliffstah> I'll try disabling Xgl and see what happens
[03:53] <cliffstah> you guys rock, much <3
[03:53] <hsystem-x> try disabling cdrom on your virtual machine, and try
[03:53] <hsystem-x> thats not a gustsy BUG or ERROR.
[03:53] <hsystem-x> gutsy*
[03:54] <|neon|> hsystem-x: i will try that tho before with feisty that behavior was not noticed , then again i understand been a newer release maybe i have to do that
[03:54] <cliffstah> I shall be back, thankyou - especially RAOF for clarity and patience :-)
[03:54] <hsystem-x> neon, For example, if im writing a cd, and i start vmware and run a virtual machine, the k3b will cancel... or write with errors.
[03:55] <hsystem-x> that happened to me before..
[03:55] <|neon|> hsystem-x: i will keep that in mind i use vmware just when i have  to but no regularly thx
[03:56] <hsystem-x> just a theory, try that :)
[03:57] <cliffstah> RAOF: you are a genius :-)
[03:57] <cliffstah> buy yourself a beer on me
[03:57] <RAOF> cliffstah: If I were a genius, Xgl wouldn't be adversely affecting your Xv performance :(
[03:58] <cliffstah> well, close is better than nothing :-)
 and you said something about compiz problems?
[04:01] <PinkFloyd> Oh that's nice. Dont run Gutsy. >_>
[04:01] <hsystem-x> hhahaha see...
[04:01] <PinkFloyd> I upgraded, no problems so far
[04:01] <cliffstah> hm odd.  trackerd is now eating my cpu
[04:01] <PinkFloyd> a bit sluggish but I also did at apt clean so it's better now
[04:02] <|neon|> i updated earlier and it broke compiz then it was another uupgrade  a few hrs laters and it fixed the issues now is running ok
[04:02] <AirBender> there are still issues with trackerd
[04:02] <hsystem-x> oh at least.
[04:02] <RAOF> cliffstah: Yeah, that's right.  It shouldn't seriously degrade performance, and it should only need to do that once (give or take).
[04:02] <cliffstah> once?  but I've been running Ubuntu for a few weeks now.
[04:02] <hsystem-x> is there a kubuntu+1 ?
[04:04] <DanaG> Heh, Nautilus has removed itself from my session, so now my cube is hollow.
[04:04] <geocritter> can anyone help me understand what I'm missing out on if I switch back from the intel driver to the i810 driver with 915resolution?  The intel driver locks up my machine on logout, but I guess I don't understand what I'm losing out on one way or the other.
[04:05] <macogw> ok you guys are right.  my compiz just turned really really unstable
[04:05] <hsystem-x> #kubuntu+1
[04:06] <cliffstah> heh.
[04:06] <Marco> why does the topic say "DON'T run Gutsy"
[04:06] <hsystem-x> doesnt exist hehe
[04:06] <cliffstah> I'm having zero problems with compiz right now
[04:06] <Marco> is that to scare non-geeks away for now
[04:06] <Marco> or is there some crazy bug?
[04:07] <AirBender> let's change non-geeks by newbies and you're right
[04:08] <hsystem-x> it sufficient with the word BETA
[04:08] <hsystem-x> that topic isnt neccesary..
[04:08] <cliffstah> ahh.
[04:08] <Marco> it gives the impression that there's something serious borked
[04:08] <cliffstah> I know why trackerd is going nuts..
[04:08] <hsystem-x> iss**
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Marco: there is stuff that's borked.
[04:09] <cliffstah> Evolution integration (I just moved to it from the Gmail web interface)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Marco: and when people are incompetent, it gets more borked.
[04:09] <Marco> hehe
[04:09] <cliffstah> just imported maybe a GB of email
[04:09] <hsystem-x> 1 gb LOL
[04:09] <hsystem-x> crazy...
[04:09] <hsystem-x> :|
[04:09] <cliffstah> heh, I have another 1.5GB I didn't import
[04:09] <hsystem-x> haha
[04:09] <cliffstah> this is only since August
[04:09] <hsystem-x> so much emails...
[04:09] <cliffstah> yep
[04:09] <cliffstah> busy man :-)
[04:10] <hsystem-x> hehe yes.
[04:10] <usser> weee another compiz update
[04:10] <ppj> lol i just noticed the topic
[04:10] <hsystem-x> hilarous..
[04:10] <Marco> btw, is anyone else have problems with the kernel.org mirrors and gutsy
[04:10] <macogw> cliffstah: i didnt until after i rebooted
[04:10] <ppj> my gutsy is great
[04:10] <Marco> I'm getting 404 not found trying to dl packages
[04:10] <hsystem-x> mine too.
[04:10] <cliffstah> macogw: which update?
[04:11] <Marco> I'm gonna try a different server
[04:11] <cliffstah> was there an update /just now/?
[04:11] <erichj> flex builder installer for linux is ugly. and why does adobe always create their own file dialogues?
[04:11] <usser> mine too
[04:11] <macogw> cliffstah: idk i updated about 2 hours ago and shut down at the end of class.  as of booting 10 minutes ago, compiz crashes every few minutes.  it's even less stable than debian stable O_O
[04:11] <usser> cliffstah: yea
[04:11] <cliffstah> flex builder on linux is ugly period :P
[04:12] <macogw> i keep having to reload window manager
[04:12] <cliffstah> oh i see..
[04:12] <usser> cliffstah: compiz update
[04:12] <cliffstah> then I don't have that update
[04:12] <usser> cliffstah: theres been two today
[04:12] <macogw> it seems if i click on anything it goes
[04:12] <cliffstah> oh.  I haven't had any today..  I shall defer updating then ;-)
[04:12] <cliffstah> I can't afford to lose my desktop this week
[04:12] <macogw> cliffstah: this one   1:0.6.0+git20071006-0ubuntu1
[04:12] <usser> macogw: i had that too
[04:13] <usser> macogw: the update a couple mins ago fixed it
[04:13] <macogw> all it means is window borders go poof then you use the fusion icon and tell it to reload the window manager
[04:13] <macogw> oh theres another already
[04:13] <macogw> ok will get
[04:13] <letalis> what would be a way i could send a message to another computers X terminal through an ssh?
[04:13] <Marco> macogw, " it's even less stable than debian stable O_O"
[04:13] <Marco> wtf
[04:13] <cliffstah> yes I have *1004
[04:13] <letalis> is there one?
[04:13] <Marco> macogw, are you implying that debian stable is unstable?
[04:13] <hsystem-x> hahah
[04:13] <macogw> Marco: debian stable locks up within 5 minutes of booting, so yes
[04:13] <cliffstah> um.
[04:13] <Marco> ...
[04:14] <macogw> debian stable is unusably unstable
[04:14] <cliffstah> macogw: good logic there, so it couldn't possibly be your machine or configuration then ;-)
[04:14] <macogw> heh
[04:14] <macogw> im sure it's a matter of it being so stable it cant recognize hardware that's less than 2 years old
[04:14] <cliffstah> because that's debian's philosophy after all "locking up your machine after 5 minutes"
[04:14] <Marco> they spent years working on the etch release
[04:15] <macogw> lenny will likely work
[04:15] <hsystem-x> lol saw a user that uses compiz fusion with 8 faces :|
[04:15] <Marco> to make sure it would always lock up within 5 minutes
[04:15] <macogw> i just can't stay booted long enough to dist-upgrade :P
[04:15] <Marco> macogw, chroot into debian
[04:15] <Marco> from ubuntu
[04:16] <cliffstah> righty, I have an interview tomorrow so Im off to bed..  thankyou so much for your help guys, it's been emotional :-)
[04:16] <DanaG> Know what's really funky? 3 faces.
[04:16] <Marco> I stopped using the cube
[04:16] <Marco> it's a pretty useless feature
[04:16] <Marco> I use desktop wall instead
[04:16] <cliffstah> (I loove the cube)
[04:16] <hsystem-x> haha
[04:16] <Marco> desktop wall and expo
[04:16] <Marco> expo is amazing
[04:16] <DanaG> Expo is cool with Cube, too.
[04:16] <hsystem-x> yes 3 faces... weird.
[04:17] <macogw> dapper and edgy used to lock up too, but dapper would do it once a day or so and then stay booted for hours.  edgy did it a couple times a month.  feisty's perfect.  the hardware's gotta be just too new for etch, but when it's a bit over a year old, you'd think itd get some support by now.  with dapper it made sense as the hardware was very new at the time
[04:17] <hsystem-x> i prefer 2 faces or 4.
[04:17] <Marco> DanaG, expo naturally fits with desktop wall
[04:17] <DanaG> 2 is funky, too.
[04:18] <DanaG> Especially with transcube, or alternately, with a dead Nautilus.
[04:18] <Marco> macogw, what hardware are you talking about
[04:18] <hsystem-x> 2 faces is elegant hehe, when moving "cube"
[04:19] <macogw> Marco: ive no idea what part of my hardware it hates.  i suppose something about udev or acpi or something changed between edgy and feisty to get proper support for my laptop.  it could be the chipset i guess...or not knowing how to scale a core duo maybe....*shrug*
[04:20] <hsystem-x> i thought that kubuntu were going to ship kde 4 beta 2 on its gutsy distribution... but hehe is 3.5.7 i guess.
[04:20] <Marco> kde4 is a disaster as of now
[04:21] <hsystem-x> beta 2?
[04:21] <rocknarayan> hi...is a gutsy-commercial repository available, like the fiesty-commercial one?
[04:21] <kkerwin> Marco: Not to get offtopic, but really?
[04:21] <Marco> I installed it
[04:21] <Marco> and it was worse than beta 1
[04:21] <Marco> It's possible I did something wrong
[04:21] <Marco> but nothing loaded
[04:21] <DanaG> Same for me.
[04:21] <Marco> I got a blank grey bar
[04:21] <Marco> and a blank black desktop
[04:21] <DanaG> A blank desktop with no applets.
[04:22] <DanaG> To me, beta implies semi-functional, though possibly very buggy.
[04:22] <DanaG> This KDE4 seemed to be not even the slightest bit functional.
[04:22] <VousDeux> this guidance-power-manager sure does seem to be working much better for me since the updates today, but it's still not quite right...earlier it said my battery was at 34% for quite awhile, but it was plugged in the whole time...at least it didn't start trippin' like before though
[04:23] <hsystem-x> well i have seen some videos, it looks pretty cool.
[04:23] <hsystem-x> and the graphics...
[04:23] <Marco> hsystem-x, I'm sure it's nice when it works
[04:23] <dominiquew> well
[04:23] <dominiquew> u gotta love the frozen nicknames
[04:24] <Ximal> what other chat clients for irc are there ?
[04:24] <kkerwin> Hi, I'm in a bit of a bind. I made the mistake of updating to Gutsy at the moment, and I have a paper that I need to work on for tommorrow. Xgl seems to be set to run on default. I was wondering how I could disable Xgl and run Xorg for now?
[04:24] <Ximal> lol.. im running fine... i just updated
[04:24] <Ximal> the updater and installer went pfft is all for me
[04:24] <kkerwin> Xgl seems to be slowing down my graphics rendering considerably, that's why I want to get rid of it.
[04:24] <NightBird> kkerwin: uninstall xgl, log back in, xorg will work
[04:24] <Ximal> but i have complete sound now.. it's an upside.. heh
[04:24] <kkerwin> NightBird: Hehe. Of course. Always the simple fix that I never think of.
[04:25] <NightBird> I had the same problem when I updated
[04:25] <hsystem-x> ehm
[04:25] <hsystem-x> Marco
[04:25] <macogw> ok new compiz is installed so hopefully its ok now
[04:25] <hsystem-x> did you follow this instructions, this are oficial instructions : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[04:25] <hsystem-x> for kubuntu
[04:25] <kkerwin> Why'd they make Xgl default?
[04:25] <hsystem-x> maybe you did something very wrong.
[04:25] <kkerwin> Are they thinking of switching to it from Xorg?
[04:26] <NightBird> no
[04:26] <Marco> hsystem-x, I followed them
[04:26] <NightBird> kkerwin: I think it's just a glitch or something
[04:26] <macogw> kkerwin: er.....xgl doesn't mean there's no xorg
[04:26] <hsystem-x> and you have ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:26] <Marco> ubuntu
[04:26] <kkerwin> kubuntu
[04:26] <Marco> to be fair
[04:26] <hsystem-x> marco maybe is that, since you have gnome
[04:26] <Marco> ...
[04:26] <Marco> so?
[04:27] <macogw> hsystem-x: why should you need to already have kde installed to install kde?  that makes no sense
[04:27] <hsystem-x> did you set kde default?
[04:27] <Marco> hsystem-x, why does having gnome make a difference
[04:27] <Marco> how does the default make a difference
[04:27] <hsystem-x> lol
[04:27] <Marco> "default" is only what gdm chooses unless you tell it otherwise
[04:27] <Marco> it means nothing else to the system
[04:27] <Ximal> ok i noticed something wrong ... how come i can't open stuff that would be WINE operated ?
[04:27] <hsystem-x> well did you try using kdm
[04:27] <RAOF> kkerwin: We didn't?  I just made it so that when you install xgl it's set up so that you're using xgl?
[04:27] <hsystem-x> ?
[04:28] <Marco> once again
[04:28] <Marco> makes no difference
[04:28] <Marco> kdm and gdm just execute the script
[04:28] <Marco> *same scripts
[04:28] <Ximal> is anyone seeing this text ?
[04:28] <kkerwin> RAOF: Ah. I must have had Xgl installed then on Feisty, but was using Xorg. Then when I updated, Xgl was reinstalled and then set to default.
[04:28] <Marco> Ximal, yes
[04:28] <hsystem-x> ok i will try, imposible that it doesnt work ... somethign is wrong im pretty sure.
[04:28] <Ximal> oh ok
[04:28] <RAOF> kkerwin: Indeed.
[04:29] <Marco> kkerwin, what gfx card do you have?
[04:29] <Ximal> how come i can't open the installer file for Mirc ?
[04:29] <kkerwin> Marco: Radeon Mobility 9600. (fglrx)
[04:29] <Ximal> the exe ? using wine i mean ?
[04:29] <Marco> kkerwin, you can't use aiglx/
[04:29] <RAOF> Ximal: Because we're saving you from yourself? :)
[04:29] <Marco> ?
[04:29] <Marco> Ximal, open it from the cli
[04:29] <macogw> kkerwin: xgl runs on top of xorg.  its not a "one or the other" relationship
[04:30] <macogw> Ximal: why d you need mirc?
[04:30] <Ximal> nah raof.. i just wanna use a better client than XChat .. i keep getting disconnected from the freenode and ubuntu servers..
[04:30] <VousDeux> man, I could have sworn the KornerMonitor_Amarok had a dual-core version before
[04:30] <kkerwin> Marco: I was able to on Feisty, haven't tried yet on Gutsy. Xgl was set to default at the moment.
[04:30] <macogw> Ximal: getting disconnected isnt likely to be your client
[04:30] <RAOF> Although technically that's just xglx.  Xegl does'nt have an underlying X server.
[04:30] <macogw> Ximal: and better than xchat means irssi :P
[04:30] <Ximal> it's a timeout issue i think
[04:30] <kkerwin> macogw: Indeed. For some reason, Xgl doesn't like my Gfx card. :-(
[04:30] <macogw> is it one that uses AIGLX instead of Xgl?
[04:30] <Marco> kkerwin, XGL is a pretty hackish solution
[04:31] <Ximal> irssi ?
[04:31] <macogw> i was very confused trying to get XGL working and then learned that because I have Intel I can't use it anyway and had to wait a month for AIGLX to come out
[04:31] <Marco> aiglx or nvidia drivers are the preferred method
[04:31] <kkerwin> Well, all, thank you very much for helping me out. But alas, I have a philosophy paper to finish and you have enabled me to finish writing it. Thanks for getting me out of a bind.
[04:31] <Ximal> can't find it on add/remove
[04:31] <macogw> Ximal: its a command line irc client.  bitchx is another one
[04:31] <kkerwin> Marco: Indeed. To bad that it was on by default. :-/
[04:31] <Ximal> bitchx is good.. i used to use it
[04:31] <Marco> macogw, bitchx is nice
[04:31] <Marco> shame it doesn't support tabs
[04:32] <macogw> Ximal: there arent generally command line apps in add/remove.    "sudo apt-get install bitchx" or "sudo apt-get install irssi"
[04:32] <Ximal> i like mirc because it's script kiddie friendly..
[04:32] <macogw> huh???
[04:32] <Ximal> i like setting up my own on this action etc scripts..
[04:32] <macogw> why would you WANT that
[04:32] <Marco> Ximal, you said the wrong thing
[04:32] <Ximal> like on connect perform this and that yadda
[04:32] <Marco> you mean scriptable
[04:32] <macogw> oo ok
[04:32] <Marco> not script kiddie friendly
[04:32] <Marco> that's very negative
[04:32] <macogw> what you said translated as "i want script kiddies to try to h4x0r m3"
[04:32] <RAOF> Ximal: Then you want irssi :)
[04:32] <Ximal> huh marco ?
[04:33] <Ximal> why would i say the wrong thing ?
[04:33] <Ximal> i didn't say anything in a derogatory term..
[04:33] <macogw> Ximal: script kiddie = not good enough to be a real hacker.  just uses other people's scripts then goes "i'm so 1337!"
[04:33] <macogw> script kiddie is most definitely a negative term
[04:33] <macogw> like...thats a big instult
[04:33] <macogw> *insult
[04:33] <Ximal> nah m8..
[04:33] <macogw> yeah
[04:33] <Marco> yeah chap
[04:33] <macogw> script kiddies are wannabes
[04:33] <Ximal> i meant to simple refer to the fact that i like altering scripts to fit my own needs.. not hack insult
[04:34] <macogw> they think they're hackers, but they really just suck
[04:34] <Marco> Ximal, script kiddie is NOT the word you're looking for
[04:34] <macogw> as marco said, the word for that is "scriptable"
[04:34] <Ximal> err should i say... I learn to alter things by reading and changing code to fit my needs
[04:34] <Ximal> ahh... well don't get insulted guys..
[04:34] <macogw> you "want a scriptable app"
[04:34] <Marco> we're not insulted
[04:34] <Marco> just be careful saying that
[04:34] <Marco> you're accidentally insulting yourself
[04:34] <Ximal> yeah.. with perimeters i can operate within
[04:35] <macogw> but anywho, irssi is very scriptable
[04:35] <RAOF> http://irssi.org/scripts/ , for example.
[04:35] <Marco> xchat scripting is horrible
[04:35] <Ximal> sudo apt-get install irssi
[04:35] <Ximal> grrr
[04:35] <Marco> I remember giving it a go
[04:35] <Marco> the documentation is poor
[04:35] <Ximal> ahh there we go.. wrong window.. lol
[04:36] <hsystem-x> Well Marco, is not for everyone :)
[04:36] <Ximal> still can't open frostwire for some reason
[04:36] <hsystem-x> things cant be so easy.
[04:36] <Ximal> is there any command i can enter into terminal to check what the error with it would be ?
[04:36] <macogw> oh sweet auto-ident irssi scripts
[04:36] <Marco> hsystem-x, I wrote some plugins in C
[04:36] <Marco> but there was just so much functionality missing
[04:36] <macogw> auto-ident is what makes me use xchat more than irssi
[04:37] <macogw> Ximal: for frostwire do you get a white window?
[04:37] <Marco> macogw, are you running compiz?
[04:37] <usser> Ximal: run frostwire from terminal
[04:37] <Ximal> nah i don't get a white window..
[04:37] <macogw> Marco: ask ximal...thats what i was getting at though
[04:37] <Ximal> it just doesn't start period
[04:37] <macogw> run it fro the term and see what it spits out
[04:37] <macogw> *from
[04:37] <Marco> Ximal, are you running compiz?
[04:37] <Ximal> don't know what compiz iz to be honest..
[04:38] <Marco> do you have special effects
[04:38] <Ximal> i just run something...  if it doesn't run... i come here to ask it's capabilities
[04:38] <hsystem-x> :|
[04:38] <Ximal> i have my ati restricted driver running.. if u mean by that special effects..
[04:38] <Marco> no
[04:38] <Marco> I mean like
[04:38] <macogw> Ximal: wobbly windows?
[04:38] <Marco> do your windows wobble?
[04:38] <hsystem-x> :|
[04:38] <Ximal> u mean like when exiting them ? etc
[04:38] <Marco> when you change workspaces, are things animated
[04:38] <Marco> do things fade in and out
[04:38] <Ximal> lemme check.. 1 moment
[04:38] <macogw> do a little magic lamp thing when they minimize
[04:38] <Ximal> wasn't paying attention
[04:39] <macogw> workspace on a cube...
[04:39] <hsystem-x> ok XImal any effects that is not normal on windows.....
[04:39] <macogw> if they were, you'd likely notice by now
[04:39] <Ximal> well
[04:39] <macogw> i sit there and play with them in class :P
[04:39] <Marco> I'd like to use epic or bitchx, but they don't handle lots of channels very well
[04:39] <Ximal> nothing different.. no trails due to low fps etc
[04:39] <Ximal> how do i check.. and what command would i use to run frosty from the terminal ? please
[04:39] <macogw> Ximal: just type frostwire
[04:40] <Ximal> here
[04:40] <macogw> Ximal: pretty much *anything* runs by typing its name in the terminal.  when that doesn't work, you can type the first couple letters and hit tab twice, then all the commands that start with that will be listed
[04:40] <Ximal> what's the website for pastebin ?
[04:40] <macogw> Ximal: pastebin.ca
[04:40] <Ximal> thank u.. 1 moment
[04:40] <Ximal> going to past the get error results and the frost results seperately
[04:40] <Ximal> brb
[04:41] <usser> i wonder is there any way to ln -s a bunch of files from some dir
[04:41] <usser> not dir
[04:41] <usser> whats inside
[04:41] <hsystem-x> what you people prefer ^^ ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[04:41] <hsystem-x> gnome or kde?
[04:42] <hsystem-x> :|
[04:42] <usser> hsystem-x: i like kde very much )
[04:42] <macogw> Ximal: you get errors from "sudo apt-get install irssi"??
[04:42] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/730289
[04:42] <Ximal> yep..
[04:42] <Ximal> there's the paste
[04:42] <Marco> Ximal, have you run apt-get update
[04:42] <LiMaO> hsystem-x: gnome. i can't stand kde.
[04:42] <macogw> hsystem-x: gnome for me.  i tried kde and it's way too annoying.  i dont like qt and kde doesnt have the right "flow" for me
[04:43] <Marco> hsystem-x, gnome, it's much more polished.  It's also prettier
[04:43] <hsystem-x> i like both but i prefer KDE personally im a kde fan.
[04:43] <macogw> enlightenment 17 is also very high
[04:43] <Marco> gtk is beautiful
[04:43] <macogw> fluxbox too
[04:43] <Marco> macogw, has e17 stabilised
[04:43] <macogw> as far as lightweight goes
[04:43] <Marco> or is it still crashing all the time?
[04:43] <bur[n] er> speaking of fluxbox, anyone got a fluxbox 1.0 screenshot with  their new default theme?
[04:43] <macogw> Marco: it's the most stable alpha you will ever see
[04:43] <Ximal> you mean do sudo apt-get update ?
[04:43] <sfasfd> usser: you want to see all files in all subfolder?
[04:43] <hsystem-x> xcfs is algo pretty good, very similar to gnome.
[04:43] <hsystem-x> xfcs*
[04:43] <Marco> macogw, I ran it in gentoo maybe 6 months to a year ago
[04:43] <macogw> Marco: its only an alpha, as far as i can tell, because they want to build up apps using their libs and turn it into a DE
[04:43] <Marco> and I recall liking it
[04:44] <macogw> fluxbox and gnome+cf are the things i like running when out n about
[04:45] <macogw> because gnome+cf gets "oooo" and fluxbox has that nice effect where you look 1337
[04:46] <macogw> bloody hell, i was raising the volume with alsamixer in fluxbox and a guy came up going "i gotta ask, what are you DOING?" "making it louder" and then he's just kinda "oh.  right.... what are you using?" "linux" and cue linux/girl astonishment :P
[04:46] <usser> sfasfd: no im making static links and theres a lot of them
[04:46] <magicrobotmonkey> heh
[04:46] <usser> sfasfd: and i want to do all at once
[04:46] <AirBender> Good Night to all
[04:46] <Ximal> anyone ?
[04:46] <hsystem-x> XD
[04:46] <macogw> AirBender: fan?
[04:46] <usser> ln -s `find /path/to/dir` doesnt do
[04:46] <Ximal> ughh ... another error
[04:47] <AirBender> ?
[04:47] <AirBender> lol
[04:47] <Ximal> 
[04:47] <Ximal> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[04:47] <Ximal> Reading package lists... Done
[04:47] <Ximal> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:47] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-laptop:~$
[04:47] <macogw> Ximal: update-notifier ws broken recently.
[04:47] <LiMaO> has gutsy been fixed?
[04:47] <DanaG> My issue with meeting people is that I can never remember anybody's names.
[04:47] <hsystem-x> there are fewer linux woman users ... and most of them are system analist or programmers.
[04:47] <Ximal> well update notifier is working on me right now.. haha
[04:47] <Ximal> that's wierd
[04:47] <macogw> LiMaO: im still in "works for me" mode but Ximal can't get update-notifier to upgrade
[04:48] <Ximal> compix core update notifier
[04:48] <DM|> I was talking to a gnome guy.. he said there was a way to right click and encrypt files in the new gnome, am i missing it
[04:48] <Ximal> all kinds are working now
[04:48] <LiMaO> hsystem-x: my wife is a linux user. but due to lack of options lol.. anyway, she didn't like windows viruses anyway
[04:48] <DanaG> Plus, I'm not good at initiating conversation.
[04:48] <hsystem-x> wow 13 updates GOSH...
[04:48] <DanaG> Well, not about anything not to do with computers.
[04:48] <DanaG> And the engineering college at Cal Poly is, oh, about 80% male.
[04:48] <macogw> hsystem-x: well as pleia2 said when the newletter said i became a member "oh great how's anyone supposed to know we exist if when we get mentioned we're still called guys?" since i was a "he" according to the newsletter
[04:49] <LiMaO> macogw: people surely are rushing to fix stuff... you can see by the huge amount of updates/day
[04:49] <macogw> LiMaO: my mom's a linux user due to lack of options originally but now because she loves it
[04:49] <hsystem-x> LiMao any (ANY) linux distribution is more stable than Vista even a gutsy alpha with kde 4 LOL
[04:50] <LiMaO> lol
[04:50] <macogw> LiMaO: she says to her friends "oh she installed this linux thing on the computer and i just love it.  it's so much easier to use than windows, and the computer's a lot faster now"
[04:50] <LiMaO> never touched a pc running vista.. and never felt attracted to it..
[04:50] <macogw> i tried vista during beta
[04:50] <DanaG> My parents are too stubborn to try anything.
[04:50] <hsystem-x> never do that XD.
[04:50] <hsystem-x> hahah
[04:50] <usser> LiMaO: same here
[04:50] <Ximal> hmm
[04:51] <macogw> my (compiz-capable) video card was going at 2fps (or so it seemed) on the screensaver with nothing running O_i
[04:51] <macogw> *O_o
[04:51] <DanaG> Another cool thing: PulseAudio.
[04:51] <hsystem-x> this is very offtopic : did you notice the BIG BIG bug on vista, how does microsoft launched a system with suck a bug LOL
[04:51] <hsystem-x> such
[04:51] <hsystem-x> *
[04:51] <macogw> hsystem-x: the one where the sound quality goes all shitty?
[04:51] <DanaG> What bug?  Isn't Vista made mostly of bugs?
[04:51] <usser> ok how come theres no tray icon in frostwire
[04:52] <DanaG> (You should've seen the newsgroups during the betas.)
[04:52] <LiMaO> DanaG: a few times a year my mom sit's here and ask "where's the internet?" - after i explain to her where firefox icon is, she says "oh, just have to click on this 'earth' thing" and she 'just do it'(tm) eheh
[04:52] <DanaG> Aack, VirtualBox slaughters my clipboard.  It turns stuff into random kanji.
[04:52] <sfasfd> i have just downgraded my new vista laptop to xp (not that i use it often only for games)
[04:52] <hsystem-x> this happen on any vista system, the explorer crash in a way that aero and all the graphics get distortioned, also the bar dissapear or move to the top
[04:52] <DanaG> 
[04:52] <hsystem-x> it really sucks.. even on preinstalled machines.
[04:52] <Marco> I downloaded lots of the longhorn alpha's and then Vista Betas and RC 1
[04:52] <hsystem-x> even with an nvidia with 512 mb video ram LOL
[04:52] <Marco> they were all very dissapointing
[04:53] <DanaG> Oh, and don't forget about Creative..... their name is now mud.
[04:53] <macogw> DanaG: ??
[04:53] <DanaG> Look on their forums to see what I mean.
[04:53] <hsystem-x> and they cant even launch an update and fix the dam bug LOL
[04:53] <hsystem-x> haha...
[04:53] <Ximal> brb ...daughter just fell on her forehead hard
[04:53] <Ximal> brb
[04:54] <macogw> DanaG: just tell us i dont feel like hunting down which thread of their forums makes them "mud"
[04:54] <DanaG> Is there a way to bind ctrl-volUP to change a secondary mixer?
[04:54] <hsystem-x> but anyway, thats what happen when microsoft try to imitate linux C-F or mac OS effectos LOLL
[04:54] <hsystem-x> disasters comes haa
[04:54] <hsystem-x> effects*
[04:54] <DanaG> Their entire Vista forum is full of angry people.  It's almost fun to point and laugh about.
[04:54] <Ximal> ok
[04:55] <hsystem-x> yes.
[04:55] <DanaG> I got off the (free for me) Vista ship when I deleted my Vista partition to make more room for Ubuntu.
[04:55] <Ximal> now the update notifier said i'm up to date after doing sudo apt-get update
[04:55] <Ximal> what's that mean ? that i'm fixed ? as in the updater is ok now ?
[04:55] <macogw> DanaG: oh but its nothing to do with creative turning evil, right?
[04:55] <hsystem-x> did you know what they are doing? they are shipping a cd that downgrade the system , it came with systems that comes with vista jhaha LOL
[04:55] <hsystem-x> that so shitty..
[04:55] <usser> Ximal: yes
[04:55] <macogw> DanaG: i just formatted my lappy when i bought it instead of using the xp
[04:55] <hsystem-x> with XP looll
[04:56] <macogw> hsystem-x: yeah you can call ms and ask for a downgrade kit
[04:56] <Ximal> also .. i need to give you guys my paste of my frostwire issue..
[04:56] <macogw> hsystem-x: i was asked before "are you gonna upgrade to vista?" and my standard response is "upgrade?  that's a DOWNGRADE!"
[04:56] <DanaG> Oh, and if you miss transparency when stuck in Windows, go get Windowblinds 6.  It's well worth the 20 bucks.
[04:56] <hsystem-x> it is hilarous you bought a pc with vista WOOHHH and when you opened the box, you find a CD to downgrade to XP loll people faces are like :S.
[04:57] <hsystem-x> LOL
[04:57] <macogw> so really, by going back to xp, i maintain that you are really upgrading your system to an older os
[04:57] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/730301
[04:57] <hsystem-x> you bought vista to use XP lol
[04:57] <Ximal> would someone look at and tell me what the issue there is ? on http://pastebin.ca/730301
[04:57] <DanaG> Here's the theme I use when in Windows:  
[04:57] <DanaG> ARgh
[04:57] <DanaG> **** VirtualBox!
[04:57] <macogw> Ximal: looks like someone just coded something wrong
[04:58] <DanaG> http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=5758&libid=1&c=1http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=5758&libid=1&c=1
[04:58] <macogw> DanaG: could be microsoft encodings v. unicode
[04:58] <Ximal> well ? explain .. elaborate ? maco ?
[04:58] <macogw> Ximal: looks like it's a plain old bug in frostwire's code.  do you know java?
[04:58] <hsystem-x> saw i mcirosoft representant... or whatever is called , showing vista LOL , she said things like: "look at this effects" LOL
[04:59] <Ximal> not much..
[04:59] <usser> Ximal: did u install frostwire from .deb file?
[04:59] <Ximal> so i need to redownload it ?
[04:59] <Ximal> yes
[04:59] <Ximal> from deb
[04:59] <macogw> hsystem-x: please say you whipped out a linux lappy and said "and compare them to THESE effects!"
[04:59] <Ximal> download and reinstall ?
[04:59] <hsystem-x> i was just thinking on powering on my laptop with linux to say LOOKS AT THIS EFFECTS
[04:59] <hsystem-x> and all free
[04:59] <DanaG> My LCD is not bright enough to show off with.
[04:59] <hsystem-x> when in the conference
[04:59] <macogw> i need to mess with my init.d and get my bootup time shortened
[05:00] <macogw> i just bought Hacking Ubuntu to get more info on that
[05:00] <macogw> it's not newb-oriented at all, which is nice
[05:00] <hsystem-x> lol and then she presented a table with the prices LOLL
[05:00] <macogw> my other ubuntu books are for newbies, so i keep them next to mom's computer
[05:00] <DanaG> !info bootchart
[05:00] <ubotu> bootchart: boot sequence auditing and chart generator. In component main, is extra. Version 0.9-0ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 97 kB, installed size 192 kB
[05:00] <hsystem-x> and i was saying LOL linux is free and you get more than that XD
[05:00] <hsystem-x> to the people around me haha XD
[05:00] <macogw> DanaG: yes i have bootchart :) i just need to figure out how to fudge with things
[05:01] <DanaG> 50 seconds this last boot.
[05:01] <macogw> DanaG: that is WAY too long
[05:01] <DanaG> Readahead takes a bit of time.
[05:01] <macogw> i had 22 seconds in feisty in like march
[05:01] <macogw> as of august its like 27-37
[05:01] <macogw> and lately 45 seconds
[05:01] <DanaG> What exactly is readahead?
[05:01] <Ximal> why would you need to HACK something when you can open it with a hex editor and just read the code ?
[05:01] <usser> Ximal: i cant write private msgs, but sudo dpkg --purge frostwire will uninstall the thing
[05:01] <Ximal> seriously guys..
[05:02] <macogw> Ximal: O_o do you know what hacking means?
[05:02] <Ximal> if i purge it usser ... can i reinstall clean ?
[05:02] <usser> Ximal: because u have source code
[05:02] <hsystem-x> usser i know whats your problem..
[05:02] <usser> Ximal: yea sure
[05:02] <hsystem-x> you doent have JRE 6
[05:02] <hsystem-x> try on a konsole writing
[05:02] <hsystem-x> frostwire
[05:02] <usser> hsystem-x: what?
[05:02] <Ximal> maco ... hacking is gaining access or information to something you normally wouldn't have by usually less than legal means..
[05:02] <hsystem-x> it will say, something like, cant find java
[05:02] <macogw> Ximal: that's cracking silly
[05:02] <hsystem-x> you need java to run frostwire.
[05:02] <usser> hsystem-x: u talking to me?
[05:02] <Ximal> hacking is what then ? oh leet versed master ?
[05:02] <hsystem-x> yes
[05:02] <macogw> Ximal: hacking is finding a non-obvious or nifty way to make the system obey
[05:03] <hsystem-x> you said your frostwire wont start.
[05:03] <Ximal> ahh
[05:03] <hsystem-x> i guess.
[05:03] <Ximal> you mean like going to terminal and telling it to fix itself and it doing it ?
[05:03] <macogw> Ximal: don't listen to Dateline.  they tend to be wrong :P
[05:03] <usser> hsystem-x: oh i do have java just spent 2 hours installing it, lol i was telling Ximal how to remove pgms
[05:03] <hsystem-x> but did you
[05:03] <hsystem-x> make it default?
[05:03] <hsystem-x> ok i mean..
[05:04] <hsystem-x> what method did you used to install java?
[05:04] <usser> hsystem-x: i installed from java site
[05:04] <hsystem-x> na na dont do that...
[05:04] <Ximal> hmm
[05:04] <macogw> Ximal: well with software hacks, it might be when you have one of those epiphany moments after trying to get an algorithm to work and you come up with some weird 2 line thing that evades 30 lines of code and anyone looking at it goes "wow...that's amazing.  it makes SENSE, but i would NEVER have thought of that"
[05:04] <hsystem-x> install fro mrepositories
[05:04] <Ximal> i got j5 and jre6 installed
[05:04] <hsystem-x> install from repositories, thats the problem...
[05:04] <usser> hsystem-x: repos are all broken, /etc/alternatives point nowhere
[05:04] <Ximal> maybe i need the 32 bit one..
[05:04] <macogw> sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[05:04] <macogw> then sudo update-java-alternatives
[05:04] <usser> hsystem-x: dude i have no problem with java it works for me )))
[05:05] <hsystem-x> do what macogw said
[05:05] <hsystem-x> (Y)
[05:05] <hsystem-x> thats what you need.
[05:05] <usser> come on guys i know what to do
[05:05] <usser> im a bit experienced too
[05:05] <hsystem-x> did you tried running frostwire from a console... to see the errors..
[05:05] <hsystem-x> ?
[05:05] <jaek_> guys, when i open "Format -> Paragraph..." in OO 2.3 it hangs OO... anyone else have this problem?
[05:05] <Ximal> hmm
[05:05] <Ximal> brb
[05:06] <DanaG> HOw can I shorten my boot time?
[05:06] <macogw> Ximal: check out the New Hackers' Dictionary's online incarnation, The Jargon File, at http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/frames.html
[05:06] <Ximal> sheesh
[05:06] <Ximal> why does everyone wanna be king of Nynex .. aka Verizon now..
[05:06] <Ximal> i don't get it..
[05:06] <macogw> DanaG: well ya gotta figure out what's taking too long then why...then mess with init.d & upstart
[05:07] <macogw> havent read the book yet though
[05:07] <macogw> grrr i cant find anyone to eat dinner :(
[05:07] <Ximal> hmm
[05:07] <jaek_> wow, oo 2.3 hangs when i even try to open the "formatting" window (F11)
[05:07] <jaek_> nobody else having trouble with OO?
[05:08] <Ximal> no luck yet
[05:08] <Ximal> on getting frostwire to work
[05:08] <jack|ass> anyone see a problem with suspend in gutsy?
[05:08] <Ximal> i'm really getting friggin ansty..
[05:08] <jack|ass> seems like it didn't go off quite right and my raid array got desync'd
[05:09] <hsystem-x> ok XIMAL
[05:09] <hsystem-x> do this
[05:09] <hsystem-x> open terminal
[05:09] <hsystem-x> if you are with ubuntu type
[05:09] <Ximal> done
[05:09] <hsystem-x> if ubuntu, type metacity --replace
[05:09] <hsystem-x> or if kubuntu ,.. kwin --replace
[05:10] <hsystem-x> then type frostwire in terminal too
[05:10] <hsystem-x> frostwire and enter
[05:10] <hsystem-x> and see the output..
[05:10] <hsystem-x> then copy the errors :)
[05:10] <hsystem-x> here.
[05:10] <Ximal> hmm
[05:10] <Ximal> you trying to poison me ? but ok ?
[05:10] <hsystem-x> just making sure that compiz turn off.
[05:11] <Ximal> ok terminal is doing nothing
[05:11] <hsystem-x> is tuned off*
[05:11] <hsystem-x> thats why i mentiones replace stuff
[05:11] <hsystem-x> if you run frostwire and you have it installed, it must show output on the terminal
[05:11] <hsystem-x> on terminal type frostwire.
[05:12] <hsystem-x> in*
[05:13] <Ximal> ok go here http://pastebin.ca/730310
[05:13] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/730310 is the right pastebin to see for frostwire
[05:14] <smo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40035/
[05:14] <hsystem-x> thats the error that shows up?
[05:14] <hsystem-x> those are*?
[05:14] <Ximal> yep
[05:14] <smo> any idears on that damn error after installing fglrx
[05:14] <smo> with xgl
[05:14] <Ximal> that's the entire thing preceeding after i type in frostwire
[05:14] <smo> gnome-session won t start
[05:19] <frostburn> where's compiz log sent to?
[05:19] <sainzeo> hey everyone, after upgrading to the beta of gutsy, my ncpmount does not work anymore - everything is installed that ncp needs - any suggestions?
[05:19] <sainzeo> i get the error "Invalid Server Response (-330) in nds login
[05:24] <riotkittie> ew. alternate installs seem so dreadfully slow. its amazing how being able to use a box while installing makes time fly :|
[05:25] <riotkittie> i dont know why i'm complaining because it's not like i didnt grab my laptop and overcome that obstacle. but still.
[05:27] <DanaG> Oh hey, is Preload worth keeping, or should I just remove it?
[05:27] <Ximal> ok
[05:27] <Ximal> how do i purge the java i've installed so far ?
[05:33] <LiMaO> Ximal: hey, welcome to the team! the ones with java problems hehe
[05:33] <usser> lol
[05:33] <Ximal> * smacks self in head *
[05:33] <LiMaO> Ximal: i got rid of all my attemps to get java working on gutsy but overwriting it with a fresh install of feisty =)
[05:33] <LiMaO> from gutsy 64bit to feisty 64bit
[05:33] <LiMaO> using 32bit firefox + java + flash
[05:34] <Ximal> nah
[05:34] <Ximal> my wireless adapter only works on my laptop with this distro for some reason..
[05:35] <Ximal> every other single attempt at linux of any other kind or distro purely ruins my harddrive's mbr.. and doesn't let me dual boot and make my wireless internal adapter work
[05:35] <Ximal> i'm quite happy if i can't download cammed movies from the theater and such or porn for that matter..
[05:35] <Ximal> but it's the ethical issue of just MAKING IT WORK .. lol
[05:36] <LiMaO> usser: there's that new opera 64bit alpha
[05:37] <LiMaO> some people says it works and is nice
[05:40] <usser> LiMaO: nah i use 32bit cause of java
[05:40] <usser> LiMaO: and flash
[05:41] <LiMaO> yeah, but some are saying opera 64bit works with flash and java (?)
[05:41] <LiMaO> i'm not really sure about java, but they say flash works
[05:42] <usser> LiMaO: flash itself 32bit
[05:42] <usser> LiMaO: if it does only through some sort of wrapper
[05:43] <LiMaO> well, i just saw it on the forums @ ubuntuforums... didn't read all about it, as opera is out of question for me, specially an alpha
[05:43] <LiMaO> don't know much about it =)
[05:44] <LiMaO> all in all, it's all working for us, so no worries hehe
[05:44] <usser> LiMaO: i personally find firefox to be a bloat
[05:44] <usser> ehh
[05:44] <usser> pardon my english there
[05:45] <LiMaO> didn't have any problem with it.. never found it to be resource hungry.. so nothing bad to say about it
[05:46] <usser> LiMaO: load the same page in firefox and opera and see how much memory each use
[05:46] <usser> LiMaO: firefox uses almost 30% more
[05:47] <LiMaO> but isn't it always low? i mean, i have 3 tabs open right now and it's taking only 22mb
[05:47] <LiMaO> and from 22mb to something like 17 isn't such a big difference
[05:47] <frostburn> how common are segfaults with compiz on amd64/nvidia restricted
[05:48] <usser> frostburn: did u download the latest compiz update
[05:48] <usser> frostburn: compiz was updated twice today
[05:48] <Ximal> i got flash working ! lol
[05:48] <frostburn> usser, yes i got it today
[05:48] <Ximal> but java still messed up
[05:48] <usser> frostburn: the first update kept segfaulting
[05:48] <usser> frostburn: for me
[05:49] <frostburn> usser, it's been segfaulting since i've been using it
[05:49] <usser> frostburn: oh
[05:50] <usser> frostburn: well it ocassionally does that here maybe once a day
[05:50] <frostburn> the screen flickers after compiz is restarted until the next reboot
[05:51] <usser> frostburn: it doesnt for me
[05:53] <LiMaO> Ximal: are you still optimistic about getting java working? hehe
[05:54] <Ximal> yeah
[05:54] <Ximal> but i'm gonna go get a blunt..
[05:54] <Ximal> maybe that will slow me down for the night..
[05:54] <Ximal> i need a break from it..
[05:58] <logreeval> I have a wireless WMP54g wireless card rt61 chipset, would it be better supported in gutsy?
[05:59] <frostburn> probably =P
[05:59] <frostburn> if you don't have any time constraints, play around
[06:00] <seamus7> once the update-notifier is fixed, is it okay to upgrade to gutsy?
[06:00] <bazhang> hi!
[06:00] <logreeval> lol frostburn
[06:00] <logreeval> ok, thanks again ;)
[06:01] <sainzeo> hey everyone, after upgrading to the beta of gutsy, my ncpmount does not work anymore - everything is installed that ncp needs - any suggestions?
[06:01] <bazhang> topic is don't run Gutsy?--update notifier has been broken for a while--just fixed itself on my box..haha
[06:03] <LiMaO> bazhang: unfortunately there are a lot of people who are new to linux that aren't able to fix their stuff.. that's why the warning's on topic
[06:03] <LiMaO> =P
[06:03] <quigz> so is compiz-fusion on gusty i heard by rumor that it is
[06:03] <usser> quigz: it sure is
[06:03] <bazhang> LiMaO: thanks! and a nasty bug it is...shiver..
[06:03] <quigz> nice!
[06:03] <bazhang> quigz not so
[06:04] <quigz> what do you mean bazhang?
[06:05] <seamus7> out of curiosity.. in these last 10 days before official release ... aren't all the bugs deemed relatively minor or is there just faith that they're minor ... wondering at one point the version is frozen and release?
[06:05] <bazhang> quigz I thought you meant that compiz-fusion was broken..
[06:05] <bazhang> nine days!
[06:05] <quigz> oh ok sorry for the confusion
[06:05] <bazhang> my bad
[06:06] <earlmred> no, not all of them are minor.
[06:06] <WGGMk> where are the samba user's stored?
[06:06] <bazhang> something like 19 critical bugs.
[06:06] <earlmred> WGGMk, in smbusers
[06:06] <superstrings> Is there a list of the critical bugs somewhere?
[06:06] <LiMaO> seamus7: some bugs are pretty critical.. they must be working hard to meet the deadline
[06:06] <seamus7> .. but there's faith at the top that those 19 bugs can be ironed out in the next 9 days?
[06:07] <seamus7> oh ok
[06:07] <WGGMk> earlmred: path?? ive checked /etc/samba/ and /usr/share/samba
[06:07] <bazhang> seamus7: no question I have faith..
[06:07] <LiMaO> as someone said, hackers type fast and don't sleep... 9 days = 216 hours.. plenty of time =P
[06:07] <earlmred> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+bugs
[06:07] <bazhang> hahaha
[06:07] <seamus7> :)
[06:07] <earlmred> LiMaO, i pulled 106 hours at work last week ... yeah.
[06:07] <earlmred> that's about right
[06:08] <LiMaO> you see.. it's just a matter of managing time =P
[06:08] <earlmred> 106 hours is still 8 hours a day of sleep/whatever
[06:08] <defcon> ralink based cards still dont work in gutsy
[06:08] <earlmred> i could've been doing something else productive!
[06:08] <defcon> isnt wireless cards high priority for gutsy?
[06:09] <earlmred> wtf some asshole put a edgy beta bug under gutsy
[06:09] <quigz> defcon:  you mean getting off the restricted drivers?
[06:09] <defcon> i dont think thousands of people with these cards will want to run ubuntu without wireless
[06:09] <defcon> no its not restricted
[06:09] <LiMaO> "sleeping is optional."
[06:09] <nemik> so is anyone able to run the new compiz updates on an intel 965?
[06:09] <defcon> its part of the kernel, every other distro ralink cards work
[06:09] <LiMaO> as is lunching and such useless stuff
[06:09] <superstrings> Speaking of sleeping is optional, anyone having suspend issues?
[06:10] <earlmred> nemik, hold on and i will tell you :)
[06:10] <WGGMk> earlmred: what is the path to smbuser's
[06:10] <defcon> i dont think thousands of people will want to download gutsy and compile there own drivers
[06:10] <feliciano> where can I download iso image for gutsy?
[06:10] <nemik> thank earlmred
[06:10] <earlmred> nemik, seems to be working ...
[06:10] <bazhang> defcon: wireless cards are fairly cheap...
[06:10] <earlmred> my windows do neat things :)
[06:10] <LiMaO> feliciano: www.ubuntu.com ?
[06:10] <nemik> earlmred: hmmm did you remove it from blacklist
[06:11] <ephesius> did anyone have problems connecting to google in the beta?
[06:11] <earlmred> nemik, Version: 1:0.6.0+git20071006-0ubuntu2
[06:11] <earlmred> nemik, is what i have installed
[06:11] <feliciano> LiMaQ gutsy??
[06:11] <feliciano> yeah thanks
[06:11] <nemik> earlmred: and you're running an intel 965 card? those are disabled
[06:12] <defcon> bazhang, yea but these are open sourced cards that work with every other os
[06:12] <defcon> and distro
[06:12] <defcon> for that matter
[06:12] <earlmred> nemik, oh i'm sorry, i'm 945 it looks like
[06:12] <nemik> ah
[06:12] <bazhang> defcon: not so, there are tons of distros they don't work with--a dozen at least, in cluding some of the big names..
[06:12] <LiMaO> there goes someone that will have problems soon...
[06:13] <nemik> earlmred: if you do 'locate libX11-xcb.so.1' does it exist? my compiz says it is missing it
[06:13] <quigz> so do people installing the tribal releases actually help?
[06:13] <LiMaO> the guy doesn't even know where to download gutsy and is willing to try it hehe
[06:13] <cellofellow> I can't get this working http://linuxnotes.blogspot.com/2007/10/ati-hda-sigmatel-stac-9200-chipset-how.html
[06:13] <cellofellow> Sound is Silent.
[06:13] <bazhang> Hardy Heron 11/29 Tribe 1--be there!
[06:13] <defcon> bazhang, well personally, the top 5 on distrowatch work with mine
[06:13] <defcon> accept ubuntu
[06:13] <defcon> I run a rt73
[06:13] <earlmred> yeah, my sound is real quite, but has been since feisty =\
[06:13] <defcon> others may have problems
[06:13] <earlmred> i found a command to make it louder at one point, but i forget what it is
[06:13] <DanaG> Audio playback works, but input is nonfunctional.
[06:14] <cellofellow> Nothing works here.
[06:14] <DanaG> In fact, I don't even get silence -- I just get a stall.
[06:14] <LiMaO> earlmred: have you tried alsamixer, on terminal
[06:14] <LiMaO> earlmred: then just pump up the volumes and enjoy
[06:14] <bazhang> defcon--works for you, that's cool, but I've had nothing but trouble with ralink--open source, great, but poorly designed in my opinion.
[06:14] <quigz> bazhang: thanks i will download it and try to help out the community!! (with great enthusiasm
[06:14] <earlmred> LiMaO, it's already all the way up
[06:14] <cellofellow> Until I messed with it, I had an ALSA device that was the NVIDIA HDA device, and the SigmaTel is OSS. Now the ALSA is gone but the OSS still there. Doesn't work anyway.
[06:15] <bazhang> quigz I was so kidding..haha
[06:15] <nemik> for some reason i think my x11 got recompiled with the xcb option, how can i put it back?
[06:15] <earlmred> LiMaO, i also have two devices, the intel HDA, and the other uhhh
[06:15] <quigz> bazhang: darn i was kinda hoping it was T_T
[06:15] <earlmred> AD1981
[06:16] <cellofellow> but I need some help, not working at all.
[06:16] <bazhang> quigz:  no it is true--I was kidding about the be there part..
[06:16] <cellofellow> (And I was worried about the wireless not working. Bahahaha.)
[06:16] <quigz> bazhang: oh well then....
[06:16] <LiMaO> earlmred: have you tried right clicking the speaker icon next to the clock, then 'open volume control' and check all the volumes of all devices there?
[06:17] <earlmred> LiMaO, yeah, they're all the way up
[06:17] <earlmred> bot devices
[06:17] <cellofellow> I think I don't have the HDA-thingy module loaded. What module should I modprobe?
[06:18] <LiMaO> earlmred: i'm not sure then
[06:18] <earlmred> the test tones work.
[06:19] <cellofellow> anyone?
[06:19] <earlmred> it's a lenovo t60, if that helps at all.
[06:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, did you compile your own ALSA?
[06:19] <cellofellow> nope
[06:19] <earlmred> hmm
[06:19] <earlmred> maybe gnome-alsamixer will help
[06:20] <cellofellow> just alsamixer gives...
[06:20] <cellofellow> one sec
[06:20] <cellofellow> josh@flubber:~$ alsamixer
[06:20] <cellofellow> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default
[06:20] <cellofellow> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[06:20] <nemik> my compiz is requiring libx11-xcb now, why is this?
[06:22] <riotkittie> i hope it was my own incompetence that killed compiz and not the recent update. i'm going to be irate if that reinstall was all for naught. >|
[06:22] <Tommy> Hi, when booting gutsy i get thrown to a shell where i have to press ctrl+D to continue the boot. After that all works fine. Whats wrong here?
[06:22] <cellofellow> Mine works. :-)
[06:23] <cellofellow> Tommy: sounds like Recovery Mode (runlevel 1)
[06:23] <LiMaO> Tommy: what's written on that shell?
[06:23] <riotkittie> cellofellow: mine completely died earlier, and when i tried enable, i got an error message about how they couldnt be turned on
[06:24] <Tommy> LiMaO: i cannot remember whats written, i just wanted to know if its just me (than i can fix it myself) or if this is  a big issue being fixed by devs
[06:24] <earlmred> hmm
[06:24] <earlmred> still very quiet
[06:24] <LiMaO> Tommy: hmm i didn't have such problems when i had gutsy installed
[06:24] <riotkittie> i'm not sure if it was because of the update, or because i'd enabled and disabled the restricted driver reallly quickly and then played with my screens. :|
[06:24] <cellofellow> anybody know how to FIX sound? (I've never been able to fix sound in Linux. It either works from the LiveCD or not at all. :( )
[06:26] <Tommy> Ok, thanks LiMaO. Now i know its just me i can work on fixing it
[06:26] <cellofellow> granted, I can't fix sound in Windows either. ;)
[06:27] <LiMaO> Tommy: sorry for not being able to help, not even provide consistent information, but hope you get it working =)
[06:27] <riotkittie> my only two run-ins with sound issues have been, thankfully, ridiculously simple to fix
[06:27] <Tommy> np
[06:28] <cellofellow> riotkittie: volume?
[06:29] <riotkittie> no :P
[06:30] <cellofellow> Gah. I'm having LOTS of trouble installing Eclipse. It just WONT!
[06:30] <cellofellow> Package conflicts or something.
[06:31] <riotkittie> does your soundcard show in lshw?
[06:32] <riotkittie> or lspci, for that matter
[06:32] <cellofellow> ...
[06:32] <earlmred> wow so
[06:32] <earlmred> LiMaO, if i unmute my mic and turn it up
[06:32] <earlmred> LiMaO, it makes horrible loud sounds.
[06:32] <riotkittie> woo. 167 down. 240 to go. :|
[06:32] <earlmred> LiMaO, louder than what i can actually get out of it... hmm
[06:33] <cellofellow> ok, I see the Multimedia device, it's an nVidia MCP51 Intel HDA device.
[06:33] <LiMaO> earlmred: that's weir
[06:33] <LiMaO> d
[06:33] <cellofellow> finding chipset...
[06:33] <bazhang> ?
[06:34] <earlmred> LiMaO, yeah, hmm
[06:34] <bazhang> nvidia bought intel?
[06:34] <LiMaO> i never had one single issue with sound under linux.. that's why i don't know much about it
[06:34] <cellofellow> no, it's an Intel standard, nvidia hardware.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> 'there are 223 updates' - Ick!  i just updated last night! :)
[06:34] <Dr_willis> LiMaO,  neither have I. :)
[06:34] <LiMaO> the only problems i had was to make enemy territory sound work together with teamspeak sound and microphone
[06:34] <schreder> can anyone give me a hint as to why my network fails to wake up after I resume my laptop from sleep? Interface is up, but no ip is set (I use static ip at home). So every time I wake up from sleep I have to set the ip manually :S
[06:34] <LiMaO> but it got it working
[06:34] <bazhang> cellofellow: what's the card number?
[06:34] <Dr_willis> other then getting the rear speakers going.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> schreder,  is this a wireless network?
[06:35] <schreder> no
[06:35] <cellofellow> bazhang: MCP51 onboard High Definition Audio, SigmaTel STAC9200 chipset.
[06:35] <bazhang> schreder: one of those really tough issues sleep on laptops in Linux.
[06:36] <bazhang> cellofellow: ok--different than mine--I was having trouble too but last update (kernel-generic .13 fixed it).
[06:36] <schreder> my wireless can die completely sometimes when waking up from sleep, needing a reboot :P
[06:36] <cellofellow> here's a fix, but I can't figure it out. http://linuxnotes.blogspot.com/2007/10/ati-hda-sigmatel-stac-9200-chipset-how.html
[06:36] <riotkittie> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053
[06:36] <riotkittie> may prove helpful also
[06:37] <schreder> it seems that nm-applet doesn't do a shit when it should setup networking
[06:37] <KevlarSoul> anyone having any trouble with Nvidia 8800's?
[06:37] <cellofellow> riotkittie: same instructions. The latter one is a copy/paste job I guess.
[06:37] <cellofellow> I mean the former.
[06:38] <riotkittie> ahh
[06:38] <cellofellow> but I don't know what to do.
[06:39] <bazhang> cellofellow: I'd wait for the fix; that is a really complex operation..
[06:39] <bazhang> cellofellow: do headphones work?
[06:39] <cellofellow> biggest thing I can't figure it out is: how to install things that depend on alsa packages if I manually install patched version?
[06:40] <cellofellow> bazhang: haven't tried. Don't have any phones handy.
[06:40] <riotkittie> wait a second. stupid question time, but is your sound muted in alsa?
[06:40] <earlmred> hmm gonna try recompiling alsa drivers
[06:40] <earlmred> maybe that will work
[06:40] <bazhang> cellofellow: might want to try it..
[06:40] <cellofellow> riotkittie: when I open alsamixer I get a weird error.
[06:40] <cellofellow> no device sort of thing.
[06:41] <riotkittie> theres a bug report on it dating back to may ...  Bug #117246
[06:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117246 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Not work Audio device: "nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117246
[06:41] <bazhang> cellofellow: have you adjusted pcm etc.?
[06:41] <riotkittie> well, a similar bug. someone says it works on feisty.
[06:41] <riotkittie> err gutsy.
[06:41] <riotkittie> err.  ineed to shut up and drink coffee
[06:42] <cellofellow> bazhang: alsamixer doesn't even start. There are no ALSA devices in the gnome sound config thingies.
[06:42] <Negra> will U7.10 have fake raid support?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> fake raid?
[06:42] <earlmred> software raid?
[06:42] <Negra> yeah
[06:42] <earlmred> isn't that already an option in the installer?
[06:43] <WGGMk> ok, dumb question. how do you rename a disk volume label... for instance.. i have an external hd with the lable say: DISK and want to make it say: DISK_EXTERNAL...
[06:43] <earlmred> bah fucking compiling on laptop = slow.
[06:43] <riotkittie> i believe so. under advanced? i'm not 100%
[06:43] <earlmred> i'd almost cross compile from my opteron.
[06:43] <earlmred> sheesh
[06:43] <Negra> so i will be able to finally dual oot with my MS Weaksta and both have raid yeah!!!
[06:44] <bazhang> dual woot?
[06:44] <earlmred> wait.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> ive gotten where i dont even bother with raid any more. :)
[06:44] <Negra> a typo sorry
[06:44] <earlmred> what software raid are you talking about
[06:44] <earlmred> like onboard raid?
[06:44] <earlmred> or what.
[06:44] <Negra> yup
[06:44] <bazhang> just kidding around..sorry.
[06:44] <cellofellow> ah, well
[06:44] <earlmred> dunno which onboard raid chipsets ubuntu supports
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Linux has 'fully software' raid - where there is NO raid.. vs a  raid controller card that has part of its drivers in software.
[06:45] <Negra> but installing a dual boot its very complicated as of now
[06:45] <Dr_willis> no raid card.. i mean. :)
[06:45] <Dr_willis> i just put linux on its own hd. and leave it alone. :)
[06:46] <bazhang> haha
[06:46] <bazhang> you wish you could leave it alone..
[06:46] <earlmred> heh oh shit
[06:46] <earlmred> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/modules/alsa/alsa-driver# modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:46] <earlmred> FATAL: Error inserting snd_pcm (/lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/kernel/sound/acore/snd-pcm.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:46] <earlmred> WARNING: Error running install command for snd_pcm
[06:46] <earlmred> FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:46] <Negra> thats how i have it, I got raid on MS weaksta (for gaming) and I have linux on a separete HD
[06:46] <hydrogen> your module is out of sync with your kernel
[06:46] <earlmred> hydrogen, i just compiled and installed it...
[06:47] <hydrogen> earlmred: did you remove linux-ubuntu-modules first?
[06:47] <earlmred> hydrogen, no ...
[06:47] <hydrogen> well then..
[06:47] <Negra> but It would be swell if I could have them both on raid in the sma raid0 HDD
[06:47] <hydrogen> its loading that module
[06:47] <earlmred> hydrogen, well don't i want some of those ...
[06:47] <earlmred> i don't want to recompile all of my modules.
[06:47] <hydrogen> or not loading that module
[06:48] <hydrogen> earlmred: the modules have to be compiled against the running kernel
[06:48] <earlmred> hydrogen, that's what i just did...
[06:48] <hydrogen> earlmred: not if you are trying to use linux-ubuntu-modules
[06:48] <hydrogen> which were compiled against a different version of the kernel
[06:48] <earlmred> no, linux-ubuntu-modules is already installed and working ...
[06:48] <hydrogen> right
[06:48] <earlmred> i now compiled new alsa-kernel
[06:48] <hydrogen> but
[06:49] <hydrogen> you are trying to load a module
[06:49] <hydrogen> from there
[06:49] <hydrogen> still
[06:49] <hydrogen> and its out of date
[06:49] <hydrogen> and you are getting an error
[06:49] <hydrogen> its elementary.
[06:49] <earlmred> uh, no
[06:49] <earlmred> i could previously load that module, until right this moment
[06:49] <earlmred> when i recompiled alsa-kernel
[06:49] <earlmred> from alsa source
[06:50] <hydrogen> then the new module was compiled against a version of the kernel thats not running
[06:50] <earlmred> err alsa-driver, sorry.
[06:50] <hydrogen> that message means there was a version mismatch somewhere
[06:50] <hydrogen> without knowing what you were doing, I cannot tell you exactly where
[06:50] <earlmred> cp ac97_bus.ko /lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/kernel/sound/misc ...
[06:50] <earlmred> from the install
[06:50] <earlmred> and i'm running 2.6.22-13-generic
[06:51] <hydrogen> dood
[06:51] <riotkittie> yay. 370 updates down. 40 to go. :|
[06:51] <hydrogen> the error message doesn't lie
[06:51] <nemik> is anyone else getting "Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" since a few updates ago for compiz?
[06:51] <earlmred> i guess i just killed my sound completely then.
[06:51] <riotkittie> nemik: i got it. oh no. oh nooooooo. it was the update that killed compiz completely. and not my stupidity. <dies>
[06:52] <riotkittie> nemik: wait. can you proceed to load compiz after getting that error?
[06:52] <nemik> riotkittie: i can't run it anymore at all
[06:53] <nemik> was working fine before though. but i have the intel 965 card that's blacklisted. just had to unblacklist to get it working again then it was fine
[06:53] <riotkittie> nemik: ah. i have a ati that, afaik, isnt blacklisted. :|
[06:53] <crdlb> nemik, LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace
[06:53] <crdlb> try that
[06:55] <WGGMk> how do you rename a disk label?
[06:55] <earlmred> i guess i need to download linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic again, and force reinstall
[06:56] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  the tune2fs command Ibelive can do that.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> or was it tunefs
[06:56] <hydrogen> tune2fs
[06:57] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: is there any repercussion for renaming a disk label that is not clean formated or already has data on it?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> I tweak my fstab to mount based on label some times.
[06:57] <Dr_willis> You cant lavel a disk thats not formated...
[06:57] <Dr_willis> it lables the filesystem
[06:57] <nemik> crdlb: it runs i guess but no windows. emerald --replace or gtk-blah --replace don't start them either
[06:57] <Dr_willis> Ibelive. :)
[06:57] <crdlb> nemik, but you have effects?
[06:58] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: so you cant rename a lable without formatting first?
[06:58] <nemik> no
[06:58] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  you can change the label at any time
[06:58] <crdlb> nemik, what does: "which compiz" say?
[06:58] <nemik> crdlb: /usr/bin/compiz
[06:58] <nemik> is yours working? with the gma965 chip?
[06:58] <riotkittie> hmm. can i stop a package thats been downloaded from installing? i dont want to update compiz and end up where i was before my reinstall >_>
[06:58] <crdlb> nemik, and: file $(which compiz)
[06:59] <nemik> crdlb: /usr/bin/compiz: POSIX shell script text executable
[06:59] <crdlb> ok
[06:59] <nemik> is yours working? which chipset?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  howevert i notice that the /dev/disk/by-label entry dosent get updated till a reboot. (i think)
[07:00] <Dr_willis> !uuid
[07:00] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:00] <crdlb> nemik, bit of longshot but anyway: compiz.real --replace ccp & gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[07:00] <crdlb> nemik, I don't actually use gutsy :)
[07:00] <crdlb> but I know compiz very well
[07:01] <nemik> crdlb: nope, got same "Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" error
[07:01] <crdlb> oops
[07:01] <earlmred> fuck
[07:01] <nemik> and you're lucky :/
[07:01] <RAOF> !ohmy | earlmred
[07:01] <ubotu> earlmred: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:01] <crdlb> nemik, LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz.real --replace ccp & gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[07:01] <earlmred> where can i download linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic to reinstall it using dpkg?
[07:01] <crdlb> that's what I meant to give you
[07:01] <sfasfd> how do i disable compiz if it doesn't work after my upgrade/restart?
[07:01] <earlmred> RAOF, sorry.
[07:02] <crdlb> sfasfd, you can boot into the failsafe session
[07:02] <Dr_willis> sfasfd,  cant get to gnome system/settings menu?
[07:02] <RAOF> earlmred: "sudo aptitude reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic"
[07:02] <crdlb> if nothing else works
[07:02] <sfasfd> failsafe kde and than do what
[07:02] <nemik> crdlb: lol, loading then segfalts :/
[07:03] <crdlb> afaik that trick only works on gnome
[07:03] <crdlb> nemik, :/ any output?
[07:03] <crdlb> other than the segfault
[07:03] <nemik> Segmentation fault      (core dumped)
[07:03] <nemik> nothing else except above that it says it was adding plugins
[07:03] <crdlb> nemik, one last idea:
[07:04] <crdlb> nemik, LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz.real --replace decoration move wobbly & gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[07:04] <sfasfd> crdlb: failsave and than where do i disable compiz (just in case)
[07:04] <crdlb> if that works, then the problem is caused by your configuration (probably)
[07:04] <WGGMk> I can not get this samba server to authenticate me
[07:04] <crdlb> sfasfd, how did you enable it in kde in the first place?
[07:04] <nemik> crdlb: wtf?! it works!
[07:05] <nemik> crdlb: so some plugin failed?
[07:05] <crdlb> nemik, ok then it's either a problem with libcompizconfig or with one of the loaded plugins
[07:05] <sfasfd> compiz --replace crdlb
[07:05] <crdlb> sfasfd, how are you making that autostart?
[07:05] <cmac_> hey guys, i'm having issues with the aac codec rythmbox installs anyone have any reccomendations?
[07:05] <sfasfd> no idea crdlb it just did
[07:06] <crdlb> sfasfd, check ~/.kde/Autostart/
[07:06] <KevlarSoul> I click "Install" from the options, AMD 64 bit version, and the screen goes blank and stays there until I manually reboot.
[07:06] <bazhang> compiz --replace &
[07:06] <nemik> crdlb: so where can i check all the plugins it is loading and try one by one to see the crashing culprit?
[07:06] <riotkittie> oooh. i dont want to break compiz. even if it appears fixable :|
[07:06] <crdlb> sfasfd, try resetting your settings in ccsm
[07:07] <cmac_> hey guys, i'm having issues with the aac codec rythmbox installs anyone have any reccomendations?
[07:07] <RAOF> cmac_: Disable the gapless playback backend, and restart rhythmbox.
[07:07] <sfasfd>  ~/.kde/Autostart/ is empty
[07:07] <RAOF> crdlb, nemik: I'd suggest checking in ~/.compiz for old plugins that may be segfaulting for you.
[07:08] <crdlb> ah yes
[07:08] <crdlb> good idea
[07:08] <nemik> RAOF: ah ok thanks
[07:08] <crdlb> although there seems to be another problem in that the compiz wrapper is failing to set LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT
[07:08] <cmac_> RAOF: common problem?
[07:09] <RAOF> cmac_: I've seen it around.  I don't use the gapless backend 'cause it does'nt work with wavpack files.
[07:09] <cmac_> RAOF: worked great thanks
[07:10] <nemik> hmmm all i have in ~/.compiz/plugins is lib3d.so ? should there be more?
[07:10] <cmac_> I"ve never betaed a distro before... when the official release are we to reinstall or will the updates take care of that?
[07:10] <RAOF> nemik: Delete that, and compiz will work again :)
[07:10] <RAOF> cmac_: The updates will take care of it.
[07:11] <RAOF> nemik: In fact, just "rm -r ~/.compiz"
[07:11] <nemik> RAOF: how would i install ccsm? it is not there anymore
[07:12] <bazhang> nemik sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:12] <nemik> bazhang: thanks!
[07:12] <nemik> bazhang: except it is not in my repos?
[07:13] <bazhang> nemik: really?
[07:13] <bazhang> compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[07:14] <nemik> bazhang: in gutsy?
[07:14] <bazhang> from apt-cache search (filename)
[07:14] <bazhang> yes
[07:14] <riotkittie> yea
[07:14] <bazhang> nemik; you may need to add repos, then fetch updates from the new repos.
[07:14] <macogw> readahead-list should definitely not be in "uninterrupted sleep" for >5 seconds during boot
[07:15] <riotkittie> its in the universe
[07:15] <bazhang> okay
[07:16] <WorkingOnWise> ok, i need a hand getting kvm/qemu working. I'm asking here cuv it may be an issue with gutsy. i run the command "sudo kvm -m 512 -usb /dev/sda" and I get "open /dev/kvm: No such file or directory Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support"
[07:16] <WorkingOnWise> kvm is unstalled.
[07:17] <WorkingOnWise> installed i mean
[07:17] <nemik> RAOF: deleted .compiz but still nothing when starting it normall. only minimum options work
[07:21] <macogw> nemik: ps -aef
[07:21] <macogw> nemik: does it have gconf or ccp bindings?
[07:21] <LiMaO> nemik: are you there? may i pm you?
[07:22] <RAOF> WorkingOnWise: You need to modprobe kvm-intel (or kvm-amd) in order to load the appropriate module.  Also, no need for sudo.
[07:23] <nemik> LiMaO: yea i'm here
[07:23] <nemik> guys, in your /usr/local/lib should there be compiz stuff?
[07:23] <RAOF> nemik: Not unless you want a broken compiz :)
[07:24] <nemik> yea, and that's what i'm getting
[07:24] <nemik> never trusting those damn yags again :/
[07:24] <RAOF> nemik: Well, rm -r /usr/local/* :)
[07:24] <LiMaO> nemik: check out private message
[07:24] <RAOF> nemik: Neither Ubuntu, nor the compiz fusion devs support the use of build-me-git! scripts :)
[07:25] <kyled185> does anyone know if the iwl3945 driver is stable?
[07:25] <nemik> RAOF: should have listened... though trevinos were decent for a while. it's just some new one i tried made a mess of things
[07:25] <RAOF> kyled185: Yes.  And it isn't.
[07:25] <tekhawk> question friend is setting up gutsy right now new to linux but i wouldnt let him run fiesty with gutsy comming out so soon
[07:25] <WorkingOnWise> RAOF: thanks. because I am booting the actual drive and not just an image file, i need rw assecc to the partition, and till i add the udev rules and groups, I gotta do sudo....i know, bad idea, but I'm lazy :)
[07:26] <tekhawk> do broadcom cards for wifi work easy?
[07:26] <nemik> LiMaO: pm, what are you talking about?
[07:26] <RAOF> kyled185: Or rather, it's very nearly stable.  You may have problems suspending, or resuming from suspend, or shutting down :)
[07:26] <LiMaO> nemik: private message... what irc client are you using? i'm talking to you privately
[07:26] <riotkittie> tekhawk: awesome. nothing screams "good times" like introducing your friend to linux, and forcing a beta release upon him.
[07:26] <kyled185> RAOF, hmm ok.
[07:26] <LiMaO> here's the channel window.. there must be some other window open with my nick on it.. and me talking to you there
[07:27] <tekhawk> riotkittie: its been very stable right now and i know nothing of fiesty to help him this was best way
[07:27] <kyled185> RAOF, would you happen to know what modules should be disabled/enabled so that I can try it out?
[07:27] <nemik> LiMaO: irssi
[07:27] <LiMaO> on man, those terminal stuff hehe
[07:27] <nemik> it's the best
[07:27] <RAOF> kyled185: You need to blacklist ipw3945 & add iwl3945 to /etc/modules
[07:28] <nemik> and what am i vulnerable to?
[07:28] <macogw> nemik: alt+a will take you to the active "window" in irssi
[07:28] <nemik> macogw: i know how to use it
[07:29] <macogw> oh ok
[07:29] <macogw> the "pm?" thing made me think you were confused, sorry
. i still think that its cruel.
[07:30] <WorkingOnWise> RAOF: you are a freakin wizard! I looked in the faq's, the documentation, the forums, and found nothing! modprobe worked like a charm! thanks
[07:30] <bazhang> so true
[07:30] <riotkittie> whats true
[07:30] <nemik> yea he is
[07:30] <wabiD> where is the new startup sound located?
[07:30] <nemik> macogw: np, good tip i didn't know about alt+a actually :/
[07:30] <riotkittie> ugh. i need glasses my
[07:30] <wabiD> and is it creative commons?
[07:31] <riotkittie> err. my glasses.
[07:31] <nemik> yoda you talk like
[07:31] <LiMaO> i'm out to sleep.. good night everyone
[07:31] <nemik> good night
[07:33] <level1_> Hi, I'm using kpowersave to suspend, either when I close the lid or when I click "suspend to ram".  The problem is that when I STR, after it resumes it Suspends again.
[07:33] <level1_> so it suspends twice
[07:37] <nemik> level1_: does that happen every time? i had it on my t61 but only on occasion
[07:37] <level1_> nemik: every time
[07:38] <nemik> RAOF: thanks for compiz help. it is working now upon x-restart except window borders still are not coming up. any thoughts?
[07:38] <bazhang> emerald --replace &
[07:38] <WorkingOnWise> has update notifier been uploaded yet?
[07:39] <nemik> bazhang: it does nothing
[07:39] <level1_> nemik: did you eventually fix the problem?
[07:39] <bazhang> check window decorations in ccsm
[07:39] <WorkingOnWise> well, I'll check in the am. gotta get my beauty rest. see you all in a month!:)
[07:39] <level1_> nemik: I'm going to modify my suspend.sh to fix this
[07:40] <bazhang> I had to log out and back in and it was then fixed.
[07:40] <nemik> level1_: yea that's what i was going to suggest
[07:40] <nemik> and no i haven't fixed it but it's so rare i never really looked into it much, just figured it was computer-voodoo
[07:40] <bazhang> update-notifier is ready to download!
[07:41] <level1_> nemik: I'll modify the script to create a file "suspend_lock" or something to prevent double suspends.  Then I'll create a launchpad bug report and upload my modified version.  Is that kosher?
[07:42] <nemik> bazhang: yay! decorations in ccsm did it.
[07:43] <bazhang> yess!
[07:43] <nemik> thank you crdlb RAOF and bazhang SO much for the help! i really appreciate it
[07:43] <nemik> level1_: check first if there's not already bugs there for that now
[07:44] <nemik> i doubt suspend.sh needs to be fixed unless it's some KDE-specific one
[07:53] <WGGMk> i need help with samba.. im dying here
[07:57] <level1_> okay, done
[07:58] <level1_> I have another problem... it seems like knetworkmanager "forgets" all but two of the mac addresses when more than two mac addresses have the same ESSID
[08:00] <level1_> I added all of the mac addresses to knetworkmanagerrc, but I looked back recently and all but two of them were gone.  I then added a third one manually, but now something else have dissappered
[08:11] <symtab> hello
[08:11] <symtab> got this error for the latest upgrade
[08:11] <symtab> http://rafb.net/p/JwNWju64.html
[08:26] <riotkittie> symtab: open that file in your preferred editor, go the the 7th line, and there's a tag you need to close
[08:26] <riotkittie> i think it's <default> missing the leading <
[08:26] <symtab> done
[08:26] <symtab> thanks
[08:26] <symtab> working
[08:27] <symtab> yeah
[08:27] <riotkittie> yw
[08:27] <symtab> the < from <default> was missing
[08:27] <WGGMk> isnt advanced desktop effects manager installed by default?
[08:28] <bazhang> in gnome effects, but no manager
[08:28] <RAOF> WGGMk: No, because it's insane.
[08:29] <RAOF> WGGMk: I once saw it kill a puppy in cold blood.
[08:29] <WGGMk> well in apperance on my laptop.. under visual effects tab.. i have a "custom" option.. and perfernce buttons that brings it up..but my desktop doesnt have the custom button.. or the effects m anager
[08:30] <bazhang> not working?
[08:30] <RAOF> WGGMk: You need to install the "compizconfig-settings-manager" package.  We don't install it by default, because it kills puppies.
[08:30] <WGGMk> oh its working.. but i dont have teh advanced desktop settings
[08:30] <riotkittie> poor puppies
[08:30] <WGGMk> ohhh.. puggy killing is bad nowadays?
[08:30] <RAOF> Or rather because it's very user-hostile.
[08:30] <WGGMk> err puppy
[08:31] <bazhang> compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:31] <riotkittie> puppy killing has always been bad. puggy killing is especially atrocious >|
[08:34] <patty_mf> hello, could someone help me with a adsl connection trouble in 7.10?
[08:35] <bazhang> drops out?
[08:35] <patty_mf> it doesnt connect at all bazhang
[08:35] <bazhang> gnome or kde?
[08:36] <patty_mf> im connecting with the same modem device in another comp running windows
[08:36] <patty_mf> gnome
[08:36] <bazhang> it worked in Feisty?
[08:36] <patty_mf> so, i tried pppoeconf and it recognizes 2 ethernet connections: eth0 and eth0:avah
[08:36] <patty_mf> it worked on dapper
[08:37] <patty_mf> but then again i reseted the modem , to reconfigure it for windows so i could look for help
[08:38] <patty_mf> anyway, now i dont know if its a modem configuration problem or gutsys
[08:38] <wabiD> is there a program i can use to edit 1920x1200 ogg theora video
[08:38] <bazhang> cinelerrea?
[08:38] <nekostar> !paste
[08:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:38] <bazhang> cinelerra?
[08:39] <symtab> wabiD: kino?
[08:39] <wabiD> havnt had any luck with kino
[08:39] <nekostar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40043/
[08:39] <patty_mf> i agree to him, i think cinelerra will do it wabiD
[08:40] <nekostar> ok thats whats happening there.....
[08:40] <nekostar> er whoops wrong chan
[08:40] <jpiccolo> hey guys
[08:41] <bazhang> heya
[08:41] <jpiccolo> i was wondering if anyone could help me get nvidia drivers installed
[08:41] <smudge007> I have them installed, so I could try
[08:41] <jpiccolo> the binarys from the nvidia site
[08:42] <jpiccolo> on 64bit
[08:42] <bazhang> gnome?
[08:42] <jpiccolo> yeah
[08:42] <bazhang> restricted drivers manager in your settings menu.
[08:42] <smudge007> I am on 64bit with gnome and I just ran the restricted driver manager
[08:42] <jpiccolo> oh
[08:42] <jpiccolo> what version is that?
[08:42] <jpiccolo> i had them installed
[08:43] <jpiccolo> but i wanted to try sli
[08:43] <WGGMk> jpiccolo: download them... CTRL+ALT+F1.. kill gnome.. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop.. install them.. sudo sh NVIDIA-package-name-pkg2.run... follow scripts.. then start gnome.. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:43] <jpiccolo> WGGMk: yeah i tried that, and it would come up saying it couldnt find drivers
[08:43] <jpiccolo> and wanted to use vesa
[08:44] <WGGMk> jpiccolo: no installation script??
[08:44] <jpiccolo> yeah i ran the .run file
[08:44] <RAOF> Why are you trying to install the drivers from nvidia.com again?
[08:45] <RAOF> nvidia-glx-new contains the latest official drivers
[08:45] <jpiccolo> went though the whole thing and restarted and it gave me them
[08:45] <jpiccolo> does it?
[08:45] <WGGMk> jpiccolo: did you install build-essentials and linux-header-`uname -r`???
[08:45] <RAOF> jpiccolo: Yes.
[08:45] <jpiccolo> yeah
[08:45] <RAOF> !info nvidia-glx-new
[08:45] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-13.6 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[08:45] <jpiccolo> oh ok
[08:45] <jpiccolo> i didnt know they were the newest
[08:46] <WGGMk> RAOF: that still doesnt solve why he cant compile and use the drivers from nvidia
[08:46] <jpiccolo> well it was working though the restricted device manager
[08:47] <jpiccolo> i just uninstalled bc i though they were not the newest drivers
[08:47] <RAOF> WGGMk: Sometimes the best solution is to solve a different problem :)
[08:47] <WGGMk> RAOF: good point
[08:47] <jpiccolo> does nvidia-settings work with usind the restriced device manager installed drivers?
[08:47] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:48] <jpiccolo> and sli?
[08:48] <RAOF> Ye.
[08:48] <RAOF> They are exactly the same thing that you'd get by installing from nvidia.com, but they *don't* overwrite random files on your harddrive!
[08:48] <jpiccolo> ok installed them, do i have to restart the whole system or just restart x
[08:49] <RAOF> The whole system is generally safer
[08:49] <jpiccolo> ok restarting will report back with findings
[08:49] <RAOF> (Unless you want to manually modprobe & stuff)
[08:57] <jpiccolo> nope
[08:57] <jpiccolo> i still complained that it couldn't find a driver
[08:57] <briansk1> what does compiz fusion have that compiz (from feisty) doesn't?
[08:57] <jpiccolo> i had to use nv
[09:02] <schreder> how can I run a script when a network cable gets connected?
[09:02] <jpiccolo> ok now something is messed up
[09:03] <jpiccolo> i go to the restricted drivers panel, it says that the drivers are inuse but not enabled
[09:05] <jpiccolo> if i enable them, then restart it comes up with a box that i have to select the driver i want to use (vesa by default) i pick nvidia and it restart x and shows the same thine
[09:05] <jpiccolo> thing
[09:05] <jpiccolo> how would i get rid of the drivers from nvidias site and start over with a fresh xorg
[09:08] <jpiccolo> anyone?
[09:12] <jmworx> RAOF: still around? About enabling desktop effects by default on cards that support it... how about using a *whitelist* approach instead of a blacklist? That could be a safer approach
[09:13] <RAOF> jmworx: We already do that.  We whitelist drivers, then blacklist PCI IDs of cards that don't work properly.
[09:14] <jmworx> RAOF: I mean whitelisting PCI IDs as well.
[09:15] <RAOF> jmworx: The whitelist would be megabytes in size, and wouldn't work well.
[09:17] <RAOF> Maybe megabytes is an exaggeration, but there are a *lot* of PCI IDs that work.  You could possibly try some more hybrid approach "any nvidia gets thorough, for intel check the PCI ID whitelist, etc", but...
[09:17] <jmworx> RAOF: Well, it appears that the blacklist is going to be fairly large if you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/115283
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115283 in compiz "random system freeze when desktop-effects activated with X300 (X700 too?)" [High,Confirmed] 
[09:17] <jmworx> So far, X300 doesn't work, X700 doesn't work and X600 (my card) doesn't work either.
[09:18] <jmworx> RAOF: BTW, did you have a look at the hda regression I linked to yesterday ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/120305 )?
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120305 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[regression] Cannot modprobe snd-hda-intel following upgrade to Feisty" [High,Triaged] 
[09:19] <RAOF> jmworx: Yes, and the answer to your last question on there is "no", I think.
[09:19] <RAOF> But I'm not a kernel dev, or involved in the kernel team at all.
[09:19] <jmworx> RAOF: answer to which question?
[09:20] <riotkittie> i have an x300; effects are running smashingly well.
[09:20] <RAOF> jmworx: "Can you prevent kernel upgrades from killing my manually built modules"
[09:20] <jmworx> RAOF: Than how about fixing the regression or at least reverting to what was there before?
[09:21] <RAOF> jmworx: I can't.
[09:21] <jmworx> (I can't believe reverting would break more setups than "all HDA cards in existance")
[09:21] <RAOF> jmworx: Is it really "all HDA cards in existance" that are currently broken?  Even if it was, I am totally unable to do anything about it.
[09:22] <RAOF> riotkittie: And (at least one of the) nvidia guy had serious non-compiz related problems; the nvidia driver should never xid.
[09:22] <mfabbri> hi! Is anybody able to run more firefox profiles concurrently?
[09:22] <jmworx> RAOF: The module simply will not load due to an unresolved symbol. So there's no way *any* HDA card will work.
[09:23] <HHornblower> hi. me again. I took a look at my xorg.conf.
[09:23] <HHornblower> that isn't the problem. my semicolon key works fine in gnome
[09:23] <HHornblower> it's something in KDE. I've disabled the Kxkbd config applet. I've even moved the config file in my home dir to the trash.
[09:23] <jmworx> RAOF: I don't know about other manufacturers, but AFAIK Dell has been shipping *all* it's PCs with HDA-based cards for about two years. So that but represents quite a large number of machines.
[09:23] <HHornblower> problem is still there.
[09:24] <HHornblower> the problem is my semicolon key is not working
[09:24] <HHornblower> if I press shift, I can still get a colon...
[09:24] <HHornblower> but semicolon is gone.
[09:26] <RAOF> jmworx: Again, not something I have the ability to fix.
[09:26] <jmworx> RAOF: Note that the bug only affects the x86-64 version, which probably explains why few developers seem to care about it.
[09:27] <RAOF> jmworx: Priority: High.  A fair number of Ubuntu devs use x86-64, too.
[09:27] <HHornblower> I do.
[09:27] <HHornblower> not a dev, but I do use x86-64
[09:27] <RAOF> jmworx: There aren't a lot of people on the kernel team, too, and they've got a lot of bugs.
[09:28] <jmworx> RAOF: I've realised that even "priority high" doesn't mean much considering I've filed a "priority high" security bug against Dapper more than a year ago and it's still not fixed (despite a 2-line fix already mentioned in the report).
[09:29] <RAOF> Some bugs get left behind, yes.
[09:29] <jmworx> RAOF: Most bugs get left behind from my experience.
[09:30] <jmworx> RAOF: Have developers thought of a mechanism for at least making sure users don't waste time submitting bug reports that won't be fixed anyway?
[09:30] <jmworx> (e.g. a list of package for which no updates would be made even if a bug were found)
[09:30] <RAOF> Yes.  It's marking bugs wontfix or invalid.
[09:31] <jmworx> RAOF: I mean beforehand.
[09:31] <RAOF> jmworx: No, because there are no packages where updates won't be made.
[09:32] <jmworx> Maybe just publishing stats against package. e.g. if I'm going to file a bug about package XYZ and I see there's 100 bugs open against it and no update yet, it pretty much means devs don't care about it (or at least have higher priority)
[09:32] <RAOF> jmworx: Although there are different likelyhoods; a bug in a package in main is more likely to be addressed than a bug on a Universe package, for example.
[09:32] <jmworx> OTOH, if I see that nearly have the bugs for fixed, I might try my luck.
[09:32] <RAOF> jmworx: There are more than that many against xserver-xgl, and I'm (trying) to fix bugs there.
[09:36] <tech0007> is 256MB ram enough for gutsy?
[09:36] <bazhang> tech0007: pushing it.
[09:37] <RAOF> tech0007: With xfce (Xubuntu) you may have better luck.
[09:37] <cliffstah> what the hell.. evolution is stuck in fullscreen and I can't see any way to get it out of it..
[09:37] <jmworx> RAOF: Still, I think stats on packages would be interesting. Both for users and for developers.
[09:37] <tech0007> ok i'll add more..thanks for the advice
[09:37] <jager> that's gonna make the install painful if nothing else
[09:37] <jager> hhe
[09:37] <bazhang> RAOF: but xubuntu has a lot a gnome; wouldn't ubuntulite suit better?
[09:38] <cliffstah> Evolution is horrible.  I hate software with surprises.
[09:38] <tech0007> bazhang...ubuntulite? where's that?
[09:38] <riotkittie> xubuntu is vile, in terms of performance. imo.
[09:38] <jmworx> cliffstah: kill -9?
[09:38] <RAOF> bazhang: Absolutely no idea.  It's been *some time* since I've used a machine with > 1 Gb of ram.
[09:38] <cliffstah> it doesn't matter if I restart it
[09:38] <jager> i'm having trouble with the cube plugin under kubuntu, it looks like it shrinks my screen in and the buttons aren't where they are drawn
[09:38] <cliffstah> it does the same thing
[09:38] <jmworx> cliffstah: The sooner you'll move away from Evolution, the better you'll be (I can recommend thunderbird)
[09:39] <cliffstah> I didn't put it into fullscreen (I dont even know how)
[09:39] <RAOF> Ok, so I actually meant "< 1 Gb ram"
[09:39] <bazhang> RAOF: it's been revived, and in heavy development now.  kmandla.wordpress.com has much more..
[09:39] <cliffstah> thunderbird is just a mail client
[09:39] <cliffstah> I need more.
[09:39] <riotkittie> jager: bwahahahaaaaaaaa. and you have to click like half an inch away to get whatever you're aiming at?
[09:39] <jager> yes
[09:39] <jager> faq?
[09:39] <jager> lol
[09:39] <jmworx> cliffstah: With Ligntning, you get a calendar as well
[09:39] <riotkittie> heeheeheehee. sorry. i ran into that yesterday and it warms my heart to know i do not suffer alone
[09:39] <cliffstah> the whole reason I started using Evolution is because it has PIM functionality
[09:39] <cliffstah> I've used it for a day and I hate it already
[09:39] <jager> gotcha :)
[09:40] <jager> did you find a fix?
[09:40] <riotkittie> jager: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[09:40] <cliffstah> I've been using Thunderbird for years jmworx, and I hate it too
[09:40] <RAOF> cliffstah: Sometimes a Compiz->Metacity->Compiz transition can leave programs in that state?
[09:40] <cliffstah> RAOF: even after restarting/logging in/out?
[09:40] <jager> yes riotkittie i do
[09:40] <cliffstah> and I haven't switched, incidentally
[09:41] <cliffstah> I just opened it, went to reply to an email and *boom*
[09:41] <riotkittie> if so... general options > display settings. check your output size and make sure its not larger than your resolution
[09:41] <RAOF> cliffstah: Ah, no.  Not after login/logout.
[09:41] <cliffstah> ok.  rm -rf evolution it is
[09:41] <riotkittie> at least thats what solved my issue. it increased itself, somehow. :|
[09:41] <aftertaf> plop
[09:41] <jmworx> cliffstah: I used to run evolution, but stopped using it about 18 months ago because every week or so, it would start leaking memory in a loop, often requiring me to reboot my machine (swapping made the machine completely unresponsive). That's why I switched to Thunderbird. The bug I filed is still not fixed despite many people having the same problem.
[09:41] <cliffstah> software with surprises -> deleted in no time
[09:41] <jager> 640x480+0+0
[09:41] <tech0007> will inno3d mx4000 64mb video ok for compiz in gutsy?
[09:41] <jager> odd
[09:42] <riotkittie> or smaller than your resolution, i suppose :P
[09:42] <aftertaf> im not good at googling for bugs, i never know what to put.... but has anoyone heard of this type of problem?
[09:42] <bazhang> tech0007: how old?
[09:42] <jager> i'm spanning the desktop with twinview to a tv at 800x600
[09:42] <cliffstah> jmworx: the reason I stopped using Thunderbird is because I have a /lot/ of mail, and TB keeps corrupting
[09:42] <cliffstah> I guess I'll go back to using the gmail web interface.
[09:42] <jager> the main monitor res is 1280x1024
[09:42] <aftertaf> Ive been on gutsy for a week now and all is good, almost.... but Wifi is flaky flaky....
[09:42] <jager> i'm not sure what i should put there
[09:42] <jmworx> cliffstah: I have ~1 GB of mail and no corruption so far. Don't know how large it is compared to what you have...
[09:43] <cliffstah> about 2.5
[09:43] <tech0007> bazhang...been using it since..
[09:43] <bazhang> aftertaf: launchpad.net is where ubuntu files its bugs
[09:43] <aftertaf> I now have 400mb to upgrade, and even an apt-get update takes a long time........ I run a ping to google at qsame time and i get between 25% and 50% packet loss
[09:43] <nanonyme> cliffstah, how about joining the petition to get imap on gmail so you could use thunderbird just like you use webmail?
[09:44] <riotkittie> jager: i'd try 1280x1024+0+0 then. if that doesnt work, 800x600+0+0
[09:44] <aftertaf> bazhang: yeah i know.... but... (lazy i guess...) IRC is faster on reaction time and i like chatting to you guys :)
[09:44] <cliffstah> nanonyme: that would be ideal ;-)
[09:44] <cliffstah> jmworx: fortunately, it only corrupts its index files, which you can delete and have TB rebuild
[09:44] <Rebooter> Hi, I finally have gutsy working on one of the new iMacs. Only problem: No sound. Anyone know how to help?
[09:44] <nanonyme> cliffstah, i've already joined it
[09:44] <cliffstah> but it does mean that your inbox looks kinda screwy
[09:44] <riotkittie> aftertaf: ralink chipset by any chance?
[09:44] <tech0007> which has better compatibility w/ gutsy? ati or nvidia?
[09:44] <cliffstah> nanonyme: what's the response?
[09:44] <bazhang> nvidia
[09:44] <aftertaf> and ive just plugged in a NIC cable instead, and now im working fine.... so its not my ISP or connection itself....
[09:44] <nanonyme> i dunno, they were still gathering petitioners at that point
[09:44] <jmworx> cliffstah: Well, so far I'm not aware of anything that works "better" (less bad, whatever) than TB.
[09:45] <cliffstah> me either, and it saddens me
[09:45] <tech0007> bazhang...ok, do u think what i have now is fine?
[09:45] <jager> alas neither of those makes a difference riotkittie, when the cube is enabled the behaviour persists with either of those settings
[09:45] <jmworx> cliffstah: At least TB has never crashed my machine :-)
[09:45] <bazhang> with how much ram?
[09:45] <cliffstah> true true
[09:45] <nanonyme> cliffstah, http://www.petitiononline.com/igmail/petition.html
[09:46] <atlef> !update-notifier
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about update-notifier - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <aftertaf> riotkittie: prism   -   Intersil Corporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette] /ISL3886
[09:46] <nanonyme> google says they don't currently support it
[09:46] <tech0007> bazhang 64mb
[09:46] <cliffstah> nanonyme: crap petition
[09:46] <bazhang> tech0007: no system ram
[09:46] <cliffstah> whoever wrote that needs some lessons in literature
[09:46] <nanonyme> cliffstah, how so?
[09:46] <nanonyme> heh
[09:46] <tech0007> bazhang...going to add 1G to my 256MB
[09:47] <cliffstah> it reads like it was written by a 6 year old
[09:47] <tech0007> bazhang...i'm upgrading in time for gutsy
[09:47] <cliffstah> with very little detail
[09:47] <cliffstah> if I were being petitioned by that, I would laugh.
[09:47] <bazhang> tech0007: then you'll be ok, but if it's a desktop--video cards are cheap these days...
[09:47] <jager> 2560x1024+0+0 doesn't work either
[09:47] <jager> hrm
[09:47] <nanonyme> cliffstah, do you seriously want the kind of political text in petitions you can't yourself understand? ;)
[09:47] <nanonyme> not that i have anything to do with the text
[09:47] <cliffstah> nanonyme: I would expect a little more than crayons.
[09:47] <tech0007> bazhang...yup...ok thanks again
[09:48] <bazhang> tech0007: sure; no problem.
[09:48] <riotkittie> aftertaf: ah. i'm clueless when it comes to prisms, sorry
[09:48] <cliffstah> I don't think I can sign that
[09:48] <nanonyme> cliffstah, although it's very likely i would have had to focus quite hard not to produce a page of political gibberish there
[09:48] <jager> prism?
[09:48] <jager> oh
[09:48] <cliffstah> well, you're taking it to the extreme
[09:49] <cliffstah> I simply meant that it could have been written with a reference to some of the actual problems people have without IMAP support, and been a little less facetious
[09:50] <bazhang> good point
[09:50] <jager> hmm i don't think any of the desktop plugins work
[09:51] <bazhang> for gmail?
[09:51] <Rebooter> I know I am green as #00FF00, but could someone help with my sound problem, plz?
[09:51] <bazhang> Rebooter: which sound card?
[09:51] <Rebooter> One moment
[09:54] <Rebooter> Got it. Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[09:54] <gunny> Rebooter: what is wrong with your sound..none ? some ok ?
[09:55] <bazhang> Rebooter: that should be fixed with the latest update--was an outstanding bug on launchpad, and I was experiencing it myself as were many others--are you fully uptodate?
[09:55] <Rebooter> None. But the devices show up in Sound preferences
[09:55] <Rebooter> New update?
[09:55] <Rebooter> let me check
[09:55] <jager> hm expo works i guess
[09:56] <jager> not sure about the point of expo
[09:56] <bazhang> scale is much more useful...
[09:57] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:57] <bazhang> morning!
[09:57] <_StefanS_> anyone know when the backlight Fn+up/down is going to be fixed ?
[09:57] <_StefanS_> pretty annoying as it worked on gutsy in the beginning :)
[09:57] <Rebooter> gunny: I have no sound at all
[09:57] <bazhang> up down arrow keys?
[09:57] <jager> scale i don't see
[09:57] <_StefanS_> yep
[09:58] <Rebooter> bazhang: My system is up to date
[09:58] <_StefanS_> bazhang: on a thinkpad t60p
[09:58] <bazhang> Rebooter: you updated and restarted?
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Rebooter: what chipset you got?
[09:58] <Rebooter> bazhang: Well there were no updates
[09:58] <Rebooter> But I will just restart to be on the safe side
[09:59] <cypherdelic_> linux-backports-modules-generic:
[09:59] <cypherdelic_>  Depends: linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable
[09:59] <Rebooter> See you both in a minute, and thanks
[09:59] <bazhang> _StefanS_: sound, buttons etc are well supported on thinkpads--you should have an explicit sound up and down button
[09:59] <bazhang> err two buttons, plus mute.
[09:59] <_StefanS_> bazhang: problem is  backlight , not sound
[09:59] <gunny> Rebooter: I added snd-hda-intel.modprobe file to /etc/modprob.d with contents "options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-digout" in that file...you could give it a try
[10:00] <bazhang> backlight is fn and one of the high f# keys iirc
[10:00] <bazhang> ie f10, etc.
[10:00] <_StefanS_> bazhang: 200 somthing
[10:00] <cypherdelic_>  Depends: linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable - Is that one KNOWN?????????
[10:00] <_StefanS_> bazhang: 212, 101
[10:01] <bazhang> _StefanS_: umm what are those numbers?
[10:01] <_StefanS_> bazhang: from the xev
[10:01] <_StefanS_> bazhang: x events
[10:01] <bazhang> oh okay
[10:02] <rmf_> any idea why the network manager would show no network interfaces, when ifconfig shows both wired and wireless?
[10:02] <bazhang> _StefanS_: I have Gutsy running on an R60 with no issues there--don't what to say but they will be fixed if it is a bug--have you checked launchpad.net?
[10:02] <_StefanS_> rmf_: is network-manager loaded?
[10:02] <cypherdelic_>  Depends: linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-13-generic  but it is not installable - does anyone care?
[10:03] <_StefanS_> bazhang: well I started on feisty, so maybe something during an upgrade broke
[10:03] <rmf_> cypherdelic_, the panel applet?
[10:03] <bazhang> cypherdelic_: not really, but if you want help please be patient...
[10:04] <_StefanS_> bazhang: well actually it might be the thinkpad-brightness-up/down.sh script that fails
[10:04] <bazhang> _StefanS_: you did the update-manager -c -d ? or fresh iso disk install.
[10:04] <_StefanS_> bazhang: dist-upgrade all the way
[10:04] <rmf_> network-manager and nm-applet are running
[10:05] <rmf_> i AM connected to ethernet, and it is obviously working (i am using it to talk here), but nm-applet doesn't seem to think so =P
[10:05] <bazhang> _StefanS_: I did the fresh install, probably a conflict during upgrade process, though hard to say for sure..do headphones work?
[10:05] <_StefanS_> bazhang: yep
[10:05] <_StefanS_> bazhang: that means, regular sound is ok
[10:06] <_StefanS_> bazhang: I use an advanced mini dock
[10:06] <bazhang> _StefanS_: oops, sorry, backlight...
[10:06] <_StefanS_> bazhang: hehe
[10:06] <_StefanS_> bazhang: you're all about sound eh?
[10:06] <bazhang> _StefanS_: buy a better table lamp until it's fixed? ...haha
[10:06] <_StefanS_> bazhang: any way to debug those acpi events?
[10:07] <jager> network manager is broken for me too fwiw
[10:07] <jager> it won't manage my wifi
[10:07] <bazhang> _StefanS_: start with no acpi?
[10:07] <meson10> I have a trouble with my nvidia card ... i upgraded to gutsy ... and i have to recompile the nvidia drivers from source...as elsewise it doesn start X and says conflict in kernel and nvidia modules
[10:08] <rmf_> jager, network manager won't manage *anything* for me
[10:09] <bazhang> rmf_: you need to connect wirelessly through a gui?
[10:10] <Rebooter> I'm back. Still no sound :(
[10:10] <bazhang> ugh.
[10:11] <xidv> nvidia-glx was listed under the restricted drivers available, so i installed it.  now it boots to a black screen
[10:11] <jmg> hey all
[10:11] <bazhang> xidv: what resolution set at?
[10:11] <jmg> how can i stop my screen from blanking?
[10:11] <rmf_> bazhang, it would be nice, i mean - i *can* connect using other means =P
[10:11] <jmg> i am not using gnome, and i dont have a keyboard or mouse
[10:11] <meson10> I have a trouble with my nvidia card ... i upgraded to gutsy ... and i have to recompile the nvidia drivers from source...as elsewise it doesn start
[10:12] <jmg> just SSH. this is a tv box
[10:12] <gunny> Rebooter: stupid question but u have checked nothing is muted ?
[10:12] <xidv> bazhang dont know?  max is 1280
[10:12] <rmf_> jager, doing a "dpkg -P network-manager network-manager-gnome" and then "apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome" fixed the issue for me
[10:12] <Rebooter> Yep, I actually did that! Twice :)
[10:12] <jmg> xset says dpms is off, but the screen is blanking itself
[10:13] <bazhang> xidv: did you go to monitor resolution panel and check that correct card is recognized?
[10:13] <jmg> hmm
[10:13] <rmf_> jmg, System > Preferences > Power Management
[10:13] <jmg> ssh -X gnome-power-manager doesnt work either
[10:13] <jmg> rmf_: im not running gnome
[10:13] <jmg> :(
[10:13] <jmg> rmf_: and gnome-power-manager wont launch
[10:14] <rmf_> have you played with xset?
[10:14] <jmg> yeah, it says dpms is off
[10:14] <bazhang> Rebooter: do headphones work?
[10:14] <absolon> Hi, I'm looking to report problems with the installer in gutsy beta.  My Lenovo IBM T60p with a Mobility FireGL V5250 requires manual intervention to get X (and in effect ubiquity) up and running.
[10:14] <Rebooter> No
[10:15] <Rebooter> No sound at all
[10:15] <bazhang> Rebooter: have you checked that PCM is not muted?
[10:15] <gunny> Rebooter: on board audio ? checked bios setting?
[10:16] <xidv> bazhang i never did no
[10:16] <gunny> Rebooter: is enabled
[10:16] <Rebooter> bazhang: Funny thing. Only PCM-2 is shown
[10:16] <bazhang> Rebooter: I had an issue during the latest updates where the system would mute my system after every upgrade requiring a restart--thankfully gone now--this is certainly a critical bug if it is a bug and not a conflict..
[10:16] <xidv> bazhang although previous install it did report an nv adapter, no specific model, somewhere in thr kcontrol
[10:17] <cliffstah> there, evolution is nuked.  bother me no more troublesome program.
[10:17] <Rebooter> I just restarted my computer, So I am unsure it is that
[10:17] <bazhang> xidv: should be under screen and monitor resolution--which card? nviidia?
[10:17] <gunny> Rebooter: go into edit/preferences in mixer and check the right tracks are enabled
[10:17] <xidv> how do I get X running now that it just loads a black screen?
[10:18] <bazhang> Rebooter: gunny's suggestion did the trick for me as well.
[10:18] <xidv> bazhang some gforce 4 mobile thing ... i cant start x
[10:18] <bazhang> restart in safe mode?
[10:18] <xidv> bazhang how?
[10:18] <Rebooter> gunny: I got something now!
[10:18] <meson10> Hi...  I have a trouble with my nvidia card ... i upgraded to gutsy ... and i have to recompile the nvidia drivers from source...as elsewise it doesn start
[10:18] <Rebooter> Very very very faint!
[10:18] <gunny> Rebooter: good stuff
[10:19] <bazhang> xidv: you have a command line xidv?
[10:19] <xidv> bazhjang yes
[10:19] <rmf_> does anyone know how to change the background color during the time between the gdm screen and the desktop screen?
[10:19] <Rebooter> And only in headphones
[10:19] <bazhang> sudo reboot
[10:19] <gunny> Rebooter: again check all the levels for both alsa and oss devices in the mixer
[10:19] <gunny> Rebooter: mixer..File/Change device
[10:19] <bazhang> Rebooter: need to check some of the other settings then--this will likely fix it.
[10:19] <Rebooter> gunny: Should I be able to see pcm-1 somewhere?
[10:20] <xidv> bazhang how do i get safe mode?
[10:20] <bazhang> xidv: when you have restarted, the GRUB menu will give you five seconds to choose which kernel to boot from..
[10:21] <xidv> bazhang got it thanks
[10:21] <bazhang> err poorly worded xidv; you have 5 seconds to pause it,then you can take your time and choose the one you wnat sorry..
[10:22] <gunny> Rebooter: i only have the one PCM so cant answer that
[10:22] <xidv> bazhang any tips how to disable nvidia-glx or get it running?  it booted to a command line
[10:22] <Rebooter> Okay... I ran alsamixer from console and maxed everything. Still no sound
[10:23] <gunny> Rebooter: remove the  snd-hda-intel.modprobe file from /etc/modprobe.d, reboot and check all your mixer devices/tracks and output levels again
[10:23] <cliffstah> hey now there's a point.. anyone know why every time there's an Ubuntu update my menu.lst is updated to point to hd(1,0) when actually it should be hd(0,0)?
[10:23] <cliffstah> I change it, and every time it gets changed back.
[10:23] <Rebooter> gunny: Okay, I will give it a shot. Tks
[10:23] <bazhang> xidv: uninstall it?
[10:23] <Jiangzy> just a test
[10:24] <bazhang> it is alive...
[10:24] <absolon> Seems the issue has been reported but is being ignored for some reason.
[10:25] <Rebooter> gunny: There is no /etc/modprobe.d
[10:25] <absolon> Bug #118848, video not detected on Lenovo T60p.
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118848 in xorg "Video not detected on Lenovo T60P WS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118848
[10:26] <absolon> If anyone has permission to set priority, could they please set a higher priority on this issue since it is a show stopper for people with the new Lenovo.  (Used a lot in Norway).
[10:26] <Blackgoth> norway sucks :p
[10:26] <gunny> Rebooter: did u create the file  snd-hda-intel.modprobe in /etc/modprobe.d directory that was suggested eariler ? where did u put it !
[10:26] <atlef> cliffstah : find this line in your menu.list # groot=(hd1,0) and change it to # groot=(hd0,0)
[10:26] <jmg> absolon: does it boot with acpi=off?
[10:26] <cliffstah> as I said atlef
[10:27] <cliffstah> every time I change it, it gets changed back.
[10:27] <meson10> Can anyone Please help me?
[10:27] <cliffstah> whenever a new update is installed
[10:27] <Rebooter> Sorry, didn't see that one, hang on
[10:27] <absolon> jmg: It boots, but the video driver (fglrx) isn't detected so gdm doesn't start.
[10:27] <TheInfinity_> meson10: only if you ask your question
[10:27] <jmg> absolon: ah
[10:27] <jmg> absolon: i imagine that will be adressed before the final
[10:28] <meson10> I have a trouble with my nvidia card ... i upgraded to gutsy ... and i have to recompile the nvidia drivers from source...as elsewise it doesn start
[10:28] <absolon> jmg: Doesn't seem like anyone has looked at the bug though.
[10:28] <gunny> Rebooter: within that file should have been ....   options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-digout
[10:28] <absolon> jmg: Only me and two others with the same issue.
[10:28] <absolon> jmg: One of them went back to suse since that worked.
[10:28] <Blackgoth> meson10: that isnt a real problem is it?
[10:28] <jmg> absolon: a bug on the installer or X?
[10:28] <meson10> Blackgoth: errr...?
[10:28] <meson10> i am facing it
[10:29] <gunny> Rebooter: if it aint there dont bother removing it and rebooting ;-)
[10:29] <jmg> absolon: did you get X to go after an alternate install?
[10:29] <absolon> jmg: It's reported as a bug on xorg
[10:29] <Blackgoth> meson10: just run the installer and you are done?
[10:29] <meson10> Blackgoth: yeap.
[10:29] <meson10> Blackgoth: but i need to do it on every reboot
[10:29] <Blackgoth> aha :p
[10:29] <Rebooter> gunny: Sorry, I must have missed the instructions about snd-hda-intel.modprobe in /etc/modprobe.d directory
[10:29] <Blackgoth> blacklist the nv driver meson10
[10:29] <Rebooter> could you please repaste them
[10:29] <absolon> jmg: I fix the issue manually by installing and configuring X, then I run ubiquity and get a working system.
[10:29] <jmg> absolon: is there any workaround?
[10:30] <gunny> Rebooter: ok so you have sound but it is faint?
[10:30] <jmg> absolon: okay, in that case the bug should probably be filed against casper
[10:30] <absolon> installing the fglrx-driver
[10:30] <Rebooter> Yes, I got a very faint beep with the Ubuntu Sound Test
[10:30] <absolon> At least on tribe4, now I can't seem to go past the partitioning part of the installer
[10:30] <jmg> the card isnt supported by ati is it?
[10:31] <absolon> jmg: I don't know
[10:31] <jmg> ati the opensource driver
[10:32] <gunny> Rebooter: so again go into the mixer select File/Change Device select OSS and check tracks and output levels, do the same for the Alsa device
[10:32] <meson10> Blackgoth: on someone's advice i removed nvidia-kernel-common/ nvidia-glx- and nvidia-kernel-generic-* packages
[10:32] <Rebooter> Roger!
[10:32] <bazhang> Yessss!!!
[10:32] <Blackgoth> i'd just blacklist the nv driver, recompile the nvidia driver from source and you are done
[10:33] <Blackgoth> sudo nano -w /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add blacklist nv
[10:33] <meson10> Blackgoth: i have a installer from nvidia's site
[10:33] <meson10> Blackgoth: i blacklisted it already
[10:33] <Blackgoth> are you sure?
[10:33] <meson10> Blackgoth: i use Vi:) yes
[10:33] <Blackgoth> in that case, check again
[10:33] <meson10> Blackgoth: that much i knew ho to do
[10:35] <Rebooter> gunny: Okay, Done that. The sound is still very faint, and only seems to work with headphones
[10:36] <absolon> Rebooter: What sound card?
[10:36] <Rebooter> Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller   one of the new Imacs
[10:37] <gunny> Rebooter: ok so now we do what I suggested before: create a file called snd-hda-intel.modprobe in /etc/modprobe.d
[10:37] <Rebooter> k
[10:37] <absolon> Rebooter: I've got the 82801G
[10:37] <absolon> Rebooter: What kernel are you using?
[10:37] <Rebooter> Newest gutsy
[10:37] <gunny> Rebooter: in that file put: options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-digout
[10:37] <bazhang> Rebooter: I'm watching this closely, as I have one of the same--may follow your footsteps.
[10:37] <Rebooter> :)
[10:38] <gunny> Rebooter: lol it may not work!
[10:38] <meson10> Blackgoth: Failed to load the nvidia kernel module
[10:38] <absolon> Rebooter: I had the same issue and fixed it with a kernel upgrade.
[10:38] <absolon>     * sudo apt-get install module-assistant
[10:38] <absolon>     * sudo m-a update
[10:38] <absolon>     * sudo m-a prepare
[10:38] <absolon>     * sudo m-a a-i alsa
[10:38] <gunny> Rebooter: but your on the latest kernel aren't you
[10:38] <absolon> Those four commands fixed it for me.
[10:39] <Blackgoth> meson10: you do have the kernel-headers ?
[10:39] <meson10> Blackgoth: i guess so
[10:39] <Rebooter> Yes
[10:39] <absolon> Rebooter:     * sudo apt-get install module-assistant
[10:39] <absolon>     * sudo m-a update
[10:39] <absolon>     * sudo m-a prepare
[10:39] <meson10> Blackgoth: i will cross-check
[10:39] <Rebooter> Okay, created it
[10:39] <absolon> sorry, wrong paste
[10:39] <absolon> Rebooter: alfborge.blogspot.com <- I blogged about my issue there.
[10:40] <yellow_chicken> is beta version good with sound card drivers? i have a toshiba lappy. 7.04's sound failed miserably
[10:40] <Rebooter> gunny: What do you say, should we go on or try the solution suggested by abaslon?
[10:41] <Rebooter> absolon:
[10:41] <meson10> Blackgoth: yes
[10:41] <Rebooter> Thanks, looks good
[10:41] <meson10> i have them
[10:42] <alfborge> Rebooter: my solution is pretty quick and easy but I can't promise that it works.
[10:43] <Rebooter> alfborge: No problemo. I am willing to do anything
[10:43] <gunny> Rebooter: he has exactly the same prob i was led off the track initially as you had NO sound
[10:43] <nemesis> how do i get the kde4 beta working in gutsy?
[10:43] <gunny> Rebooter: so give his method a shot
[10:44] <yellow_chicken> what has no sound?
[10:44] <Rebooter> Yeah, I thought I didn't. It just turned out it was below the level of the human ear :)
[10:44] <yellow_chicken> gunny: ?
[10:44] <Rebooter> Will do
[10:44] <bazhang> nemesis: wait until December? it's unusable now
[10:44] <alfborge> yellow_chicken: I suspect you might find better luck with ubuntu 7.10 than with 7.04, but 7.10 is still being a bit difficult because of bugs.
[10:45] <nemesis> bazhang: oh. hopefully it's be useable once beta 3 comes out.
[10:45] <meson10> Blackgoth: any help from here?
[10:46] <yellow_chicken> alfborge: i managed to compile my sounds, alsa 1.0.14rc4 on 7.04, but it still screws up when i go to youtube.
[10:46] <bazhang> nemesis: I would not hold my breath, but if you want to be a tester..haha
[10:47] <nemesis> bazhang: ....then hopefully beta 3 won't crash my X server.
[10:47] <bazhang> nemesis: here's hoping..
[10:48] <yellow_chicken> which alsa version is gutsy running?
[10:49] <nemesis> bazhang: yeah.
[10:49] <bazhang> haha
[10:49] <Jordan_U> nemesis, It will crash your X server, but then it will start it again with bulletproof X ;)
[10:52] <Rebooter> alfborge: Okay, I followed your instructions. I will be back after a short intermission
[10:52] <jhaig> nemesis: What is up with the Gutsy beta?  (I haven't tried it yet, but I was planning to install when it is released)
[10:53] <Eq|work> jhaig : i think he was talking about kde4 beta on gutsy..
[10:53] <jhaig> Oh, right.  So there haven't been any major problems found with Gutsy, then?
[10:55] <alfborge> yellow_chicken: Sorry, I don't know enough to say for sure whether sound will work or not.  why not try the live-cd and check?
[10:56] <yellow_chicken> alfborge: i am going to update regardless, when final comes out.
[10:56] <alfborge> yellow_chicken: We all are :d
[10:56] <yellow_chicken> i have free partition space left. if it doesnot work, i will go back to 7.04
[10:56] <alfborge> yellow_chicken: My experience with tribe5 and the beta is that it's still very beta.
[10:57] <alfborge> yellow_chicken: If not for my many years of experience I don't think I would've been able to install it.
[10:57] <alfborge> Hopefully it's just my computer that's not very well supported.
[10:57] <yellow_chicken> sound could not be worst than 7.04.
[10:57] <alfborge> Other things could be worse.
[10:58] <alfborge> Stuff breaks as well.
[10:58] <alfborge> But if you go ahead and try, you will be able to report bugs and help make the system more robust.
[10:58] <cliffstah> I feel for you guys, my experience has been almost faultless
[10:58] <alfborge> cliffstah: Sweet. :D
[10:58] <yellow_chicken> i compiled the final version of alsa 1.0.14, but i could not get it to work, so i revert back to 1.0.14rc4
[10:58] <Jordan_U> yellow_chicken, It could run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" that would be worse than just about anything ;) ( that will make very loud white noise BTW )
[10:58] <bazhang> flawless here too
[10:59] <yellow_chicken> cliffstah: with 6.10 or so earlier version, i had no problems with sound
[10:59] <cliffstah> Jordan_U: it could play britney spears, that would be worse ;-)
[10:59] <Jordan_U> cliffstah, True
[11:00] <yellow_chicken> Jordan_U: let me try
[11:00] <bazhang> me too..thanks alfborge
[11:00] <Pedro--> if i install the current version of gutsy, will i be able to do an automatical network upgrade to the stable version when it is released ? (at least, theoretically) ?
[11:00] <alfborge> An 8 minute long reboot is pretty darn long if you ask me.
[11:00] <Jordan_U> cliffstah, More painful would be to play the verizon .02 cents recording
[11:00] <cliffstah> Pedro--: of course :-)
[11:00] <bazhang> Pedro--: oh yes...many updates..
[11:00] <cliffstah> Jordan_U: or any recording.
[11:00] <leighaquarius> 8 min reboot... far out!
[11:01] <yellow_chicken> Jordan_U: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" nothing here
[11:01] <alfborge> Pedro--: Shouldn't be a problem at all.
[11:01] <alfborge> 9 minute reboot.  Nice work Rebooter
[11:01] <Rebooter> Darn! It didn't work
[11:01] <alfborge> :(
[11:01] <Jordan_U> yellow_chicken, Really? That is surprising.
[11:01] <alfborge> Sorry about that.
[11:01] <alfborge> Jordan_U: I believe he doesn't have any sound working.
[11:01] <Rebooter> No problem. I still have the faint sound in my headphones
[11:01] <Jordan_U> yellow_chicken, Didn't give an error about it being busy? Just didn't do anything?
[11:01] <atlef> how do i take a screenshot when using super-tab in compiz
[11:02] <alfborge> Rebooter: I suggest searching the kernel changelogs for your sound card.
[11:02] <yellow_chicken> Jordan_U: keep in mind my sound is screwed, and it work only 80% of the time. when i watch more that 3 vidoes on youtube, grantee faillure of sound driver
[11:02] <Jordan_U> alfborge, That command just throws bits at the sound card, no need for drivers :)
[11:02] <Rebooter> ok
[11:02] <yellow_chicken> Jordan_U: "cat /dev/urandom " that printed out trash
[11:03] <Rebooter> alfborge: So you thing I should recompile the kernel?
[11:03] <yellow_chicken> Jordan_U: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and that just freeze up and trying to finish up the procedures
[11:03] <alfborge> Jordan_U: if /dev/dsp isn't configured then it won't throw stuff to the sound card.
[11:03] <alfborge> Rebooter: I think you should check if there is a fix in the upstream kernel.
[11:03] <yellow_chicken> i have sound working alright, can play mp3 fine
[11:03] <Pedro--> then i will try it :) i recently bought a vaio laptop which came with preinstalled vista, and it is really not funny at all :( i will cross my fingers and hope that gutsy recognise at least most part of my hardware.
[11:03] <Rebooter> ok
[11:03] <Jordan_U> alfborge, But he has played sound successfully at least once
[11:03] <alfborge> Rebooter: If there isn't a commited fix then compiling your own kernel is just wishful thinking. :)
[11:03] <reverseblade> I can't seem to enable 3D with nvidia can someone help
[11:03] <Rebooter> Yes, I know
[11:04] <bazhang> Pedro--: try the liveCD and see how it does..
[11:04] <alfborge> Rebooter: If there is, you can use the dpkg kernel builder to create your own kernel from the upstream source.
[11:04] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, I assume you have already used restricted manager?
[11:04] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: what graphics card u running?
[11:04] <Rebooter> The thing is, I _have_ sound, it is just so low it is barely hearable
[11:04] <Pedro--> i will do it. i'm downloading it already
[11:04] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, yes I did
[11:04] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, nvidia
[11:04] <Jordan_U> Rebooter, run "alsamixer" in a terminal, make sure everything is turned up
[11:04] <Rebooter> Done that
[11:04] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, when I enable 3d and reboot it fails back to safe mode
[11:05] <yellow_chicken> Pedro--: i think it's the wrong time to buy a pc.  right after vista comes out.  cause, hardware-wise, you lose speed. if it runs xp, it's flying fast
[11:05] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, it was working fine with fiesty also working fine with previous state of gutsy
[11:05] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, Are you getting hardware acceleration?
[11:05] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, no
[11:05] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: ok, well sounds like direct rendering isn't enabled
[11:05] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, yeah
[11:06] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, in my xorg.config my driver is stated as nv and not nvidia
[11:06] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, What is the output ( if any ) of "sudo modprobe nvidia" ?
[11:06] <yellow_chicken> Jordan_U: right now this box can play mp3 all day, and it's fine. just with youtube vidoes, it crashes
[11:06] <reverseblade> when I set the driver to nvidia it falls to safe mode
[11:06] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, no output
[11:06] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: what version of driver u using?
[11:07] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, I am trying to use 100.14.11
[11:07] <oshiii-_^> night night
[11:07] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, though I am not sure IF I am using it
[11:07] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: hmm.. ok
[11:07] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: are u installing from .run or from Apt?
[11:07] <alfborge> RebooteR:   See 130559:  "I also confirm that it can still be cured by getting ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.15rc3.tar.bz2, unpacking, and running configure && make && sudo make install. (You will need to have kernel headers and development packages installed.)"
[11:08] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, when I installed from .run, it falls back to fail safe mode
[11:08] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, currently I installed from apt, but I think it is not using it. When I start gnome I see no nvidia logo
[11:08] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, I presume it is using nv
[11:08] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: did u use the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[11:08] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, Did you try restricted manager before installing from nvidia.com?
[11:09] <Rebooter> alfborge: Cool, I am up for anything
[11:09] <alfborge> Rebooter: Better, remove the old version of snd-hda-intel.ko before you install the recompiled alsa drivers and you should be good at the first reboot.
[11:09] <Pedro--> yellow_chicken: it can't intall xp (at least with the original cd). It doesn't recognise the sata controller, and as i don
[11:09] <alfborge> Rebooter: I suggest you read the last few entries in Better, remove the old version of snd-hda-intel.ko before you install the recompiled alsa drivers and you should be good at the first reboot.
[11:09] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, Jordan_U, frankly yes. I upgraded from fiesty. There 3d was working. Also after upgrading to gutsy 3d was working. It is only broken after a recent update
[11:09] <alfborge> dang stupid paste
[11:09] <alfborge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/130559
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130559 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) - no sound" [Medium,Triaged] 
[11:09] <Pedro--> yellow_chicken: as i dont have an external floppy drive, i cant suply the missing driver
[11:10] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, Try running "sudo apt-get remove --purge --reinstall nvidia-glx"
[11:10] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, on my way
[11:10] <Rebooter> k
[11:10] <Pedro--> yellow_chicken: i have been reading some tutorials about modifying the winxp installation disk to include other drivers, but i didn't try it yet.
[11:11] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, you meant nvidia-glx-new right ?
[11:11] <neildarlow> i like the new topic :)
[11:11] <Rebooter> snd-hda-intel.ko? Should it be in etc/modprobe.d?
[11:11] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: depends what model nvidia card u have.. eg. 6600, 7900, 8800?
[11:12] <yellow_chicken> Pedro--: i have a box using sata on xp sp1
[11:12] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, I was using nvidia-glx-new all the time
[11:12] <reverseblade> leighaquarius, can't remember the model
[11:12] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, If that is what you want to use then yes, make sure that nvidia-glx is removed first though ( I think that is what the package made by the .run installer is called )
[11:12] <yellow_chicken> Pedro--: perhaps you are runing xp pre service package 1
[11:12] <leighaquarius> reverseblade: /agree
[11:12] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, it has never been installed
[11:13] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, ok done
[11:13] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, now ?
[11:13] <Jordan_U> reverseblade, Switch to the nvidia driver and try restarting X
[11:18] <Pedro--> yellow_chicken: i'm not sure if it were a pre sp1 version... i will try to install a more recent version and see if it works
[11:20] <yellow_chicken> Pedro--: i am sure mine is not sp2, it's either sp1, sp1a, or sp1b or whatever
[11:21] <meson10> how do we configure the kernel source files?
[11:25] <compwiz18> if you turn your computer off before midnight, and there is a cron job set to run at midnight, does it run the next morning when you turn the computer on?
[11:26] <gunny> compwiz18: nup
[11:26] <compwiz18> gunny, ok, if i stick a script in /etc/cron.daily, will it run if the computer isn't on a midnight?
[11:29] <meson10> can anyone help me with a problem?
[11:29] <meson10> its regarding nvidia trouble
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> meson10:  what is the problem ?
[11:38] <meson10> I have a trouble with my nvidia card ... i upgraded to gutsy ... and i have to recompile the nvidia drivers from source...as elsewise it doesn start X and says conflict in kernel and nvidia modules
[11:38] <meson10> pvandewyngaerde: and i have been asking this here for some 10th time
[11:38] <meson10> pvandewyngaerde: :-(
[11:40] <cliffstah> define "says conflict in kernel and nvidia modules"
[11:40] <nanonyme> hehe
[11:40] <nanonyme> nice topic :P
[11:41] <cliffstah> meson10: do the binary drivers not work for you?
[11:41] <cliffstah> by that, I mean 'nvidia' as opposed to 'nv'
[11:44] <meson10> cliffstah: i couldn get that
[11:45] <cliffstah> meson10: please be more specific about what you say :P
[11:45] <meson10> cliffstah: i upgraded to Gutsy and after that, the x server is not starting
[11:46] <meson10> cliffstah: it said some conflict with the kernel and nvidia module
[11:46] <cliffstah> !
[11:46] <cliffstah> that isn't specific
[11:46] <cliffstah> that's just repeating what you already said in a different order
[11:46] <cliffstah> lol
[11:46] <meson10> Cliffstah: i removed nvidia-kernel-common and other headers
[11:47] <meson10> cliffstah: Please ask me what ever info you are expecting
[11:47] <cliffstah> well ok, let me give you an example
[11:47] <cliffstah> you're saying things like "it said some conflict with the kernel and nvidia module"
[11:47] <cliffstah> instantly, anyone looking at your problem is going to ask "what conflict?" because it's pretty obvious that the *whole* kernel isn't going to conflict with the nvidia module
[11:48] <cliffstah> and they will also ask what the *actual* error message was
[11:48] <meson10> cliffstah: Ok the trouble now ius it says:   " Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module"
[11:48] <cliffstah> so you could save a lot of time and frustration by answering those questions before they're asked ;-)
[11:48] <cliffstah> meson10: is that *all* it says?
[11:48] <meson10> cliffstah: yes
[11:49] <cliffstah> can you upload/paste the log somewhere? (a pastie online)
[11:49] <meson10> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[11:49] <meson10> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[11:49] <meson10> (EE) NVIDIA(0): ***Aborting***
[11:49] <meson10> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usale configuration.
[11:49] <meson10> cliffstah: oops i had already pasted
[11:49] <cliffstah> thats ok, it was only 3 lines :-)
[11:50] <cliffstah> I would recommend pasting your xorg config, and your xorg.0.log to a pastebin
[11:50] <meson10> cliffstah: Hmm that's a trouble cos i cannot open X as i said on the laptop :(
[11:51] <meson10> Cliffstah:L i.e the "troubled" computer
[11:51] <cliffstah> meson10: but you have access to the troubled computer via ssh/ftp/etc?
[11:51] <cliffstah> or use lynx/w3m/links to upload them?
[11:52] <meson10> cliffstah: ok i will just do it.... its currently in middle of "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" .. as an option someone suggested
[11:53] <cliffstah> meson10: it would help greatly to see those files :-)
[11:53] <meson10> yes i am on it
[11:53] <meson10> i cancelled it
[11:53] <cliffstah> ok
[11:54] <cliffstah> god I love this band./
[11:54] <cliffstah> \o/
[11:55] <Rebooter> I'm back... I recompiled the newest alsa-driver, but I still have no sound above the faintest whisper :(
[11:55] <cliffstah> Rebooter: people were asking about you earlier
[11:55] <Rebooter> _any_ help would be welcome
[11:55] <Rebooter> Yeah?
[11:55] <cliffstah> but, I dont know if they're still here, it's been quiet
[11:57] <Rebooter> Yes, I am really stumped. My new imac looks pretty, but it may be too new to new to be supported. Shame... Everything but sound works
[11:57] <cliffstah> meh.  bloody mac people.
[11:57] <cliffstah> I want one, its not fair
[11:58] <Rebooter> Hehe, Yes, I should be grateful that I even have one :)
[11:58] <Rebooter> And it is actually quite cool - I just couldn't stand mac osx for more than a month.
[11:58] <cliffstah> whaat?
[11:58] <cliffstah> os x is lovely
[11:58] <Rebooter> Not that it is bad... It is just not Ubuntu :)
[11:59] <cliffstah> admittedly Im now rather attached to Gnome
[11:59] <cliffstah> if it wasn't for the commercial application support I need, such as Flash then I wouldn't even bother
[11:59] <gunny> compwiz18: sorry been away yes it will depends on when dailys are run look /etc/crontab
[11:59] <cliffstah> for everything else, I've dumped Windows completely now.
[11:59] <meson10> cliffstah: i am almost done..i will just paste the link
[11:59] <cliffstah> Microsoft finally forced me to do it, when they released Vista
[12:00] <Rebooter> Yes, I know. Os x is very good, though. I just got tired of the way I couldn't do all I wanted
[12:00] <cliffstah> ok meson10
[12:00] <cliffstah> what is it you can't do?
[12:00] <Rebooter> And the lock-in sucks
[12:00] <meson10> cliffstah: http://rafb.net/p/d30pHd94.html
[12:00] <cliffstah> I just want to work, actually, im not bothered about customization
[12:01] <meson10> cliffstah: sorry w/o reason ssh took time..it just paused w/o any reason
[12:01] <Rebooter> Well, install a some OSS packages, and there is a lot of things that costs money in mac-land
[12:01] <cliffstah> meson10: no bother :-)
[12:02] <cliffstah> Rebooter: sure, but I guess that's why I want it..
[12:02] <cliffstah> the industry I work in is very heavily Mac or PC
[12:02] <Rebooter> Hehe, Anyway... I may be forced back to OS X if I cannot get this blasted sound working
[12:02] <cliffstah> I dont forsee a Flash for Linux, ever :-)
[12:02] <Rebooter> What industry?
[12:03] <cliffstah> Flash :P
[12:03] <Lynoure> cliffstah: hmm, there is Flash for Linux...
[12:03] <cliffstah> well, that's one of the things I do.. according to my resume its my primary skill (most experience)
[12:03] <cliffstah> no
[12:03] <atlef> when pressing super key, I can not take screenshots. as in super/windowskey + tab. how do you take screenshots of this screen
[12:03] <cliffstah> Flash itself, not the player
[12:03] <cliffstah> meson10: I'm reading it btw :-)
[12:03] <Rebooter> Ah, I agree that is a problem. I haven't tried wine for a long while. Don't know if you can install it that way
[12:04] <Lynoure> cliffstah: oh, you mean Flash development environment.. it deserves to wither away, in my opinion
[12:04] <cliffstah> its far too slow
[12:04] <cliffstah> Lynoure: that is your opinion
[12:04] <cliffstah> the rest of the world has theirs :-)
[12:04] <Lynoure> cliffstah: that's what I said.
[12:04] <Rebooter> And there is Gnash ;)
[12:04] <cliffstah> fortunately Adobe are bringing Flex Builder to Linux
[12:04] <cliffstah> but its far from functional
[12:05] <Rebooter> well, in time it probably will be
[12:05] <cliffstah> and v4l(2) support in the Flash Player itself is awful
[12:05] <Rebooter> Adobe - Dragged kicking and screaming in to the FOSS community
[12:05] <cliffstah> I've tried 2 cams, one I get a black screen - the other I get a white screen :-)
[12:05] <Rebooter> Or should that be 21 century
[12:05] <cliffstah> Rebooter: actually it's been gently persuaded for a number of years now
[12:06] <cliffstah> since the OSFlash community reared it's head
[12:06] <Rebooter> Yes, and they did give us the player (well as in Free as in beer)
[12:06] <cliffstah> Red5 was the first major achievement to open their eyes
[12:07] <Rebooter> Ah yes
[12:07] <cliffstah> meson10: lsmod | grep nvidia ?
[12:07] <meson10> no
[12:08] <cliffstah> what happens if you modprobe nvidia ?
[12:08] <cliffstah> sudo*
[12:08] <Rebooter> Okay, I will try one more time before giving up (its been 3 hours of fiddling now)
[12:08] <gunny> Rebooter: is it a new Imac 24"
[12:08] <Rebooter> No, but a new 20'
[12:08] <gunny> Rebooter: have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3461617
[12:08] <cliffstah> this is what I have, meson10
[12:08] <cliffstah> nvidia               4716468  32
[12:08] <cliffstah> agpgart                35016  1 nvidia
[12:08] <cliffstah> i2c_core               26112  2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2
[12:09] <meson10> cliffstah: this was a while back
[12:09] <meson10> when i had nvidia-kernel-* packages in my system
[12:09] <cliffstah> ok, so you don't have any nvidia kernel modules on your system?
[12:10] <cliffstah> that would explain why they can't be loaded ;-)
[12:10] <Rebooter> gunny: Thanks, that looks promising
[12:10] <meson10> right
[12:10] <Rebooter> But I have no idea how to apply a patch !
[12:10] <meson10> cliffstah: someone in kubuntu asked me to deinstall every associated nvidia package in my system
[12:10] <meson10> cliffstah: satying the installer" should do it
[12:10] <Rebooter> Could you maybe help?
[12:10] <cliffstah> hm.
[12:11] <cliffstah> meson10: I'm just checking the file lists to see which packages include the kernel module
[12:11] <meson10> modprobe nvidia returns sh: /sbin/lrm-video not found
[12:11] <meson10> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[12:11] <cliffstah> hm,  something's hosed :-)
[12:12] <cliffstah> lrm-video is part of linux-restricted-modules* afaik
[12:12] <meson10> cliffstah: he asked me to remove them as well
[12:13] <cliffstah> well, you need those I think :-)
[12:13] <Rebooter> gunny: Do you have any idea how to apply the patch that is in the post?
[12:13] <cliffstah> ok lrm-video is part of linux-restricted-modules-common
[12:14] <meson10> cliffstah: i jut installed "linux-restricted-modules"
[12:14] <cliffstah> meson10: you need those things if you are using the 'nvidia' driver
[12:14] <cliffstah> but iirc not if you are using the 'nv' module
[12:14] <meson10> i am not using the nv
[12:14] <cliffstah> then you need those things :-)
[12:15] <meson10> cliffstah: ok startx started the machine
[12:15] <meson10> cliffstah: now shall i reboot to see....if it returns the previosu trouble again?
[12:15] <cliffstah> you shouldn't need to reboot to see
[12:15] <cliffstah> check lsmod | grep nvidia
[12:15] <cliffstah> see if the kernel module has loaded
[12:16] <meson10> lsmod?
[12:16] <cliffstah> lsmod :-)
[12:16] <cliffstah> since X started, it sounds like the kernel module has loaded - but be sure
[12:17] <meson10> cliffstah: nvidia 7013492 26
[12:17] <cliffstah> ok cool
[12:17] <meson10> i2c_core 30208 2 nvidia,i2c_nforce32
[12:17] <meson10> 2*
[12:17] <leighaquarius> has anyone had any trouble when installing Gutsy, cause when i did it, it wouldn't scan my disks properly when loading Gparted in the installer, it just got stuck on 46%
[12:18] <meson10> but as earlier this  will not start on its own on restart
[12:18] <cliffstah> meson10: ok try rebooting it and lets go from there
[12:18] <meson10> cliffstah: ok
[12:20] <meson10> cliffstah: ok no X again
[12:20] <cliffstah> ok, errors?
[12:20] <meson10> on restart
[12:20] <meson10> i should do startx and it would tell
[12:20] <cliffstah> well wait
[12:21] <cliffstah> do you have gdm/kdm installed?
[12:21] <meson10> cliffstah: yes
[12:21] <meson10> kdm
[12:21] <cliffstah> so dont startx
[12:21] <cliffstah> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[12:21] <cliffstah> see what happens
[12:22] <meson10> kdm already running
[12:22] <meson10> it said
[12:22] <cliffstah> hmm.  ps ax | grep X ?
[12:22] <meson10> Nothing
[12:22] <cliffstah> odd.  stop kdm and start it again, then check your Xorg.0.log again
[12:23] <meson10> ok
[12:23] <compwiz18> ok thanks gunny
[12:24] <meson10> i stopped it..and computer is showing a blinking terminal curosr
[12:24] <meson10> thats it
[12:24] <cliffstah> what happened when you started it again?
[12:24] <meson10> hmm oops
[12:25] <meson10> lemme start again it redirected me to tty7
[12:25] <cliffstah> k
[12:25] <Rebooter> Okay guys, followed the instructions at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3461617
[12:25] <Rebooter> Will reboot. Wish me luck!
[12:25] <meson10> starting K display Manager: kdm
[12:25] <cliffstah> nothing on vt9?
[12:25] <meson10> No
[12:25] <cliffstah> ok, check your xorg log again
[12:26] <meson10> yes  error
[12:26] <cliffstah> which?
[12:27] <meson10> Failed to initialize the NVIDIA Kernel module! Please ensure that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly. ***Aborting***
[12:28] <cliffstah> ok sounds like you have some more packages missing.
[12:28] <cliffstah> these are the packages I have installed..
[12:28] <meson10> SUpport for GLX with Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled
[12:28] <cliffstah> nvidia* that is
[12:28] <meson10> any help with this?
[12:28] <meson10> oh ok
[12:29] <cliffstah> not saying you need all these - but this is what I have on my system, and it works :-)
[12:29] <cliffstah> nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common
[12:29] <atlef> when pressing super key, I can not take screenshots. as in super/windowskey + tab. how do you take screenshots of this screen. Found solution, gimp screenshot delay
[12:29] <cliffstah> and..
[12:29] <meson10> so i do sudo apt-get install nvidia*?
[12:29] <cliffstah> linux-restricted-modules, restricted-manager, restricted-manager-core
[12:30] <cliffstah> dont do *, you'll get everything - you don't need that
[12:30] <cliffstah> those are all the related packages I have installed
[12:30] <cliffstah> oh and linux-restricted-modules-generic and linux-restricted-modules-common
[12:31] <cliffstah> wb
[12:31] <Rebooter> ... No. No sound
[12:31] <cliffstah> damn
[12:31] <Rebooter> yes
[12:31] <cliffstah> serves you right
[12:31] <cliffstah> for owning a mac while I want one
[12:31] <meson10> damn + 1 :-(
[12:31] <Rebooter> :P
[12:32] <Rebooter> Yeah, I guess there is nothing more to do than reinstall OSX and wait for gutsy final to try again
[12:32] <cliffstah> dual install :-)
[12:32] <cliffstah> keep a small gutsy install handy so you can test
[12:33] <cliffstah> oh, and report your bugs ;-)
[12:33] <Rebooter> Yes, I had it running under vmware and that worked great
[12:33] <Rebooter> Anyways, thanks for all the support!
[12:33] <meson10> nvidia-* == ? which all packages?
[12:33] <cliffstah> sure, but that isn't using your hardware directly
[12:33] <cliffstah> the ones I posted meson :-)
[12:33] <cliffstah> which card do you have?
[12:33] <Rebooter> cliffstah: I know
[12:33] <meson10> NVIDIA 6150 Go
[12:34] <cliffstah> I dont know what that is, older generation or new?
[12:34] <meson10> works "very well" ...as if i just build the driver from nvidia-installer now..it wll start working again
[12:34] <Rebooter> got to go. Cheers
[12:34] <cliffstah> later :-)
[12:35] <meson10> cliffstah: the ones you mentioned i have installed
[12:35] <cliffstah> reason I ask meson10 is that you may require the nvidia-glx-new rather than nvidia-glx, depending on your card
[12:35] <meson10> but i am getting confused with nvidia-*
[12:35] <meson10> cos it is a set of packages like nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx
[12:35] <cliffstah> I have a GF4
[12:35] <cliffstah> as far as I'm aware, you need both :-)
[12:35] <meson10> cliffstah: for previosu distros it used glx-new
[12:36] <cliffstah> then you'll probably need that one instead :-)
[12:36] <cliffstah> mine just uses nvidia-glx
[12:36] <meson10> so i should install nvidia-kernel and glx stuff?
[12:36] <cliffstah> well, I'm no authority
[12:37] <meson10> :-( then try a startx?
[12:37] <cliffstah> I've just convinced  that you have some things missing on your system, from your error messages
[12:37] <cliffstah> I'm*
[12:37] <secher> hey guys. Have anyone gotten resolution issues in one of the recent updates? Suddenly i can only run 640x480...
[12:38] <CapaH> Question, if I download and install Gutsy Gibbon --- will it automatically upgrade once beta is over and the release happens?
[12:38] <meson10> API Mismatch: NVIDIA driver version has verson 100.14.19 but the NVIDIA kernel module's version does not match
[12:39] <meson10> cliffstah: does that give any hint?
[12:39] <cliffstah> meson10: Im guessing this is because of your custom installed driver?
[12:39] <meson10> nvidia-installer --uninstall should help right?
[12:40] <cliffstah> yes, then you'll need to reinstall the nvidia kernel module from the gutsy packages
[12:40] <meson10> ok cool
[12:40] <cliffstah> if you want to use your custom driver, remove *only* the gutsy nvidia kernel module and then try your custom install - leave the other packages intact
[12:41] <cliffstah> although I would recommend trying to get X up and running on the official packages first
[12:41] <cliffstah> at least then you are in a "known" state
[12:41] <cliffstah> secher: enabled your restricted drivers (if any) ?
[12:41] <meson10> i just uninstalled custom driver
[12:41] <cliffstah> cool, you'll probably need to reinstall the gutsy packages now
[12:41] <meson10> now i acnnot go into x
[12:41] <cliffstah> just the nvidia kernel/glx
[12:41] <meson10> for a while :-)
[12:42] <secher> cliffstah: yes i did..
[12:42] <cliffstah> secher: oh.
[12:42] <cliffstah> I did have that problem, but I just dived into the Xorg config and fixed my modes/modelines by hand
[12:42] <secher> cliffstah: it worked untill yesterday.. Then it suddenly switched to 640x480, and wont let me change back
[12:43] <cliffstah> tried reconfiguring? (back up your xorg.conf config first!)
[12:43] <cliffstah> let it redetect and see if it helps
[12:43] <secher> hmm ill try that
[12:44] <meson10> yeap installed
[12:44] <meson10> but still no help
[12:45] <meson10> i have tried resrating
[12:45] <cliffstah> errors?
[12:46] <meson10> yes
[12:46] <cliffstah> lol
[12:46] <meson10> API mismatch
[12:46] <cliffstah> now its me who should be more specific
[12:46] <cliffstah> um, well that isn't right..
[12:46] <cliffstah> if you have only the gutsy packages installed there should be no mismatch
[12:47] <riffic> can someone help me figure out some bluetooth issues?
[12:47] <meson10> cliffstah: :-(
[12:47] <riffic> i have a usb bluetooth adapter and bluetooth mouse, and they work fine most of the time
[12:47] <riffic> but if my computer is unused for a period of time it stops working, the adapter's LED flashes
[12:47] <cliffstah> meson10: find /lib/modules/<your kernel>/ | grep nvidia
[12:47] <riffic> and i can't get it working
[12:48] <cliffstah> riffic: haven't tried bluetooth yet, sorry :-)
[12:48] <riffic> i've figured a workaround, pull the usb adapter when i'm leaving the computer unattended
[12:48] <riffic> and just reattaching when i come back
[12:48] <cliffstah> riffic: sounds like it could be related to power management, though
[12:48] <Evanlec> disable acpi or update kernel
[12:48] <riffic> yeah, its a default clean beta install
[12:48] <riffic> with all the upgrades
[12:48] <ramvi> I installed vmware player 2 on my ubuntu gutsy laptop. Vmplayer made my internet router stop working and I lost internet connection till I removed vmware again. Is this a known error?
[12:49] <riffic> disable acpi where, in the bios?
[12:49] <riffic> will that have any ill effects?
[12:49] <reverseblade> Jordan_U, I enabled the driver and restarted
[12:49] <meson10> cliffstah: yes it has something in kernel/drivers/ and volatile/
[12:49] <reverseblade> still no luck
[12:49] <cliffstah> what is in volatile?
[12:50] <meson10> nvidia_new.ko  nvidia_legacy.ko nvidia.ko
[12:50] <cliffstah> ok, 1 second
[12:54] <cliffstah> my memory fails me, what the hell is the command to find which package provides a file..
[12:55] <bushwakko> hey, I have a problem here
[12:55] <bushwakko> I can't have both touchhpad and my regular mouse
[12:56] <meson10> cliffstah: i know for the rpm's only
[12:57] <cliffstah> its apt-file :-)
[12:57] <cliffstah> apt-file search <file>
[12:57] <_Argasm> hi guys, can someone please help me to setup wireless in 7.10 ?!?!
[12:58] <_Argasm> I setup everything the same as my old 7.04 ubuntu config but it wont turn the wireless card on (flashing)
[12:59] <cliffstah> bear with me meson10
[12:59] <sharperguy> any idea why my speakers are crakling so much?
[12:59] <meson10> cliffstah: till whenever u say. :-)
[01:00] <cliffstah> odd, I can't find the package that 'owns' volatile/nvidia*
[01:00] <meson10> might be because of the "custom driver"
[01:00] <meson10> ?
[01:00] <cliffstah> no, I have the same files :-)
[01:01] <cliffstah> /lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/volatile/nvidia_new.ko
[01:01] <cliffstah> /lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/volatile/nvidia_legacy.ko
[01:01] <cliffstah> /lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko
[01:01] <cliffstah> but, dpkg -S nvidia doesn't list those files
[01:01] <cliffstah> I don't understand enough of Ubuntu's inner workings to know why that is.
[01:02] <meson10> look ...if i install the "custom-driver" now..it will work
[01:02] <_Argasm> is their a problem with 7.10's wireless workings cause I cannot get mines to work properly (7.04 worked great) ???
[01:02] <meson10> any way out from there?
[01:02] <cliffstah> meson10: as long as you're sure.
[01:02] <meson10> cliffstah: BUT after restart i need to install again
[01:02] <meson10> cliffstah: 110% it works.
[01:02] <cliffstah> same error?  a mismatch?
[01:03] <meson10> but only till i restart
[01:03] <meson10> Yes
[01:03] <cliffstah> hmm.
[01:03] <cliffstah> I think that is out of my depth.
[01:03] <cliffstah> what I was going to suggest..
[01:03] <meson10> cant i remove every nvidia bit out of my system?
[01:03] <cliffstah> was to remove those nvidia files in /lib/modules/<your kernel> and reinstall the associated Gutsy packages
[01:03] <meson10> and let adept- install
[01:04] <meson10> Oh
[01:04] <meson10> :-)
[01:04] <cliffstah> which is why I was looking, to work out which packages they came from
[01:04] <meson10> quite similar thought :-)
[01:04] <cliffstah> basically, get you back to 'vanilla'
[01:04] <meson10> ??
[01:04] <cliffstah> yes, but I didnt want to suggest it until I'd found the packages
[01:04] <meson10> "vanilla" ?
[01:04] <cliffstah> lol, vanilla = plain
[01:04] <cliffstah> default
[01:04] <cliffstah> :P
[01:04] <meson10> Oh Ok
[01:05] <cliffstah> I don't want the responsibility of trashing your machine ;-)
[01:05] <cliffstah> so you know my thoughts, that is what I would do in your position - the responsibility is now yours ;-)
[01:06] <cliffstah> unlike the person who told you to remove all those packages, I don't actually want to trash your machine :P
[01:06] <meson10> cliffstah: dont worry..aint that dumb ..either...actually i sound :P
[01:07] <cliffstah> lol, never implied you were :-)
[01:08] <bushwakko> hey, my sound applet doesnt work on my sound because my sound is wholly controlled by the PCM slider, the master slider does nothing for it apparently.
[01:11] <reverseblade> I can't seem to enable 3D for my nvidia card can anyone help ?
[01:24] <kbrooks> hi
[01:24] <kbrooks> um
[01:25] <kbrooks> excuse me
[01:25] <kling0n> gutsy is up'n running :) but all my system messages are in danish now :( i prefer to keep all outputin english and just have danish language support for my office applications... any where do I go to change it ?
[01:27] <xperamental> can anyone help me getting an Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet Card to work in Ubuntu??? I am having nothing but problems :'(
[01:27] <kling0n> my lang environment variable is da_DK.UTF-8 so I assume I'll have to change that to something like en_DK.UTF-8 but will I have to reinstall all the packages?
[01:27] <kling0n> kbrooks: you should just ask your uestion :)
[01:27] <kling0n> question
[01:28] <Pici> kling0n: no, you won't have to reinstall packages.
[01:28] <Pici> !locale | kling0n
[01:28] <ubotu> kling0n: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[01:28] <DarkMageZ> something appears to be blocking my sound device. i've logged out and back in again and it hasn't cleared it up. any ideas?
[01:28] <kling0n> Pici: okies
[01:29] <kling0n> DarkMageZ: check if artsd or esd are running
[01:29] <DarkMageZ> kling0n, artsd is in my processes list. is there a prefered way of killing it?
[01:30] <kling0n> DarkMageZ: are you running gnome or kde ?
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> kling0n, gnome, but i was running 2 kde apps last time i was logged on.
[01:31] <kling0n> DarkMageZ: start kcontrol and select sound settings
[01:31] <kling0n> DarkMageZ: then disable the sound server
[01:32] <DarkMageZ> kling0n, k. i'll install kcontrol and give that a shot. thanks :)
[01:42] <cliffstah> my pet peeve of the day.
[01:42] <cliffstah> people who take someone halfway the wrong way toward a solution and then leave them with a broken system.
[01:42] <cliffstah> whoever told meson10 to remove a load of packages needs to go back to Windows and stop interferring :P
[01:46] <branstrom> Is there a good guide somewhere for how to use gnome-keyring in gutsy to unlock everything when I log in? So that I won't have to type my passphrase many times over when SSH:ing etc
[01:48] <heguru> branstrom: pam_gnome_keyring is installed by default in gutsy IIRC
[01:49] <branstrom> Okay...
[01:49] <branstrom> I've upgraded from feisty
[01:53] <branstrom> Should I do anything special to activate it?
[01:53] <heguru> branstrom: i had to edit files in /etc/pam.d
[01:53] <branstrom> To what end?
[01:54] <branstrom> What wasn't working?
[01:54] <heguru> branstrom: auto keyring unlock stopped working after upgrading to gutsy
[01:55] <branstrom> kay
[01:55] <heguru> branstrom: so i checked the files out to discover that gutsy configures pam_gnome_keyring by default
[01:55] <heguru> branstrom: i just removed all the references to pam_keyring that i added manually while using feisty
[01:55] <branstrom> Oh.
[02:11] <hetauma> how do I automaticly reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[02:12] <IdleOne> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:12] <hetauma> IdleOne, but this will be manual reconfiguration. I want to get a xorg.conf like the initial one I got after the installation
[02:13] <IdleOne> hetauma: it will give you default choice just select the defaults
[02:13] <cliffstah> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg if you want only basic configuration options
[02:15] <hetauma> k ty
[02:16] <panosru> Hi, can someone help me with flash? Why i don't have sound?
[02:20] <reverseblade> no matter what I do I cannot use my nvidia drivers. Can someone help ?
[02:22] <panosru> reverseblade, System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager
[02:22] <panosru> did you try this?
[02:22] <reverseblade> panosru, yeah
[02:22] <soul9> hey all!
[02:22] <panosru> there should be your nvidia card
[02:22] <panosru> did you check the check box?
[02:22] <soul9> I'm fumbling around with the display geometry switcher thing
[02:22] <soul9> but I cn't get my second display to work
[02:22] <soul9> I want to have an extended desktop
[02:23] <reverseblade> panosru, yes I did
[02:23] <panosru> and then what happened?
[02:23] <reverseblade> panosru, if I say use it, it seems okay
[02:23] <reverseblade> then I check enable it
[02:24] <reverseblade> it asks for a restart. and after the restart I fall to fail safe X
[02:24] <Ayabara> anyone running kubuntu? if so, which fonts do you use for GTK applications?
[02:24] <reverseblade> everytime
[02:24] <soul9> I get a greyed out option for secondary screen
[02:24] <soul9> for my external CRT I plugged in
[02:24] <panosru> reverseblade, you are on clean gusty setup? or from upgrade?
[02:25] <reverseblade> panosru, upgrade
[02:25] <phaidros> hi, is there vmware-player packages for the recent gutsy kernel on the way?
[02:25] <reverseblade> panosru, at first when I upgraded to gutsy itwas working
[02:25] <reverseblade> ben then a recent update has broken it
[02:26] <panosru> did you had your graphic card driver installed with envy before?
[02:26] <reverseblade> ben => but
[02:26] <reverseblade> panosru, I did my card driver installed via binary driver
[02:26] <reverseblade> from binary installer
[02:26] <soul9> bad idea
[02:26] <reverseblade> it was the only thing working at that time
[02:26] <reverseblade> but as said when I upgraded to gutsy I can use nvidia with 3d
[02:27] <reverseblade> only a recent update to kernel or what ever has broken it
[02:27] <panosru> well there are somes updates that i didn't installed them yet.. maybe they are buggy... ?
[02:27] <soul9> anwho, noone know about the control center > Screens and Graphics app?
[02:28] <hetauma> how can I change the resolution on tty# ?
[02:28] <reverseblade> hetauma, man xrandr
[02:29] <hetauma> also how can I see greek fonts correctly on tty# ?
[02:29] <hetauma> reverseblade, ty
[02:29] <soul9> yes
[02:29] <soul9> ubuntu should be utf8 by now
[02:29] <soul9> reverseblade, xrandr doesn't change the res of ttys
[02:30] <reverseblade> oh sorry
[02:30] <soul9> it changes the res of X (difficult to guess)
[02:30] <reverseblade> I misunderstood
[02:30] <soul9> hetauma, for the res. you need to add an option to your kernel boot parameters
[02:30] <soul9> option vga=something
[02:31] <hetauma> soul9, that's called framebuffer? or that's something else?
[02:31] <soul9> well
[02:31] <soul9> yeah it is
[02:31] <soul9> IF you are using a framebuffer
[02:31] <soul9> which I don't know how ubuntu deals with
[02:31] <soul9> but I think that yes, you have a framebufffer
[02:31] <Pici> !framebuffer | read the instructions at the end of this
[02:31] <ubotu> read the instructions at the end of this: If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[02:32] <Pici> For whoever was asking ^
[02:32] <hetauma> ty Pici
[02:32] <soul9> no help for me? :-(
[02:32] <hetauma> soul9, otherwise just edit menu.list right
[02:32] <hetauma> and of course search for the values
[02:32] <soul9> yes
[02:32] <soul9> right
[02:33] <soul9> vga=771 is 1024x768 iirc
[02:34] <Poromenos> I can't resolve my gutsy server's hostname, what can I do?
[02:34] <soul9> well, add it to a dns
[02:34] <Poromenos> feisty isn't in a dns, but it's working
[02:35] <soul9> yes, but to resolv a name on the network you need to have a dns record for it
[02:35] <soul9> or add it to /etc/hosts
[02:35] <cliffstah> Poromenos: locally?
[02:35] <cliffstah> edit /etc/hosts
[02:35] <soul9> ^ that's static
[02:35] <Poromenos> cliffstah: no, in the network
[02:35] <cliffstah> oh.
[02:35] <Poromenos> feisty resolves fine
[02:35] <Poromenos> for some reason
[02:36] <soul9> what do you mean? resolves?
[02:36] <Poromenos> if i ping feisty's hostname, it's resolved
[02:36] <cliffstah> he means that other machines can look up its hostname
[02:36] <Poromenos> i must have installed some wins client or something
[02:36] <Poromenos> but i don't remember what
[02:36] <soul9> for that you need either a dns or a hosts entry
[02:36] <soul9> oh
[02:36] <cliffstah> hosts has nothing to do with it
[02:36] <soul9> wins
[02:36] <Poromenos> well, i don't have a configurable central dns
[02:36] <cliffstah> Poromenos: did you set up samba etc?
[02:36] <Poromenos> not yet, i should do it now
[02:36] <cliffstah> my router does the resolution for me, iirc.
[02:38] <Poromenos> hmm, i just installed samba and it's still not resolving
[02:38] <Poromenos> pehaps a reboot is in order?
[02:38] <cliffstah> maybe just a network refresh
[02:39] <Poromenos> ah
[02:39] <cliffstah> Im not sure of the specifics
[02:39] <Poromenos> hmm, yes
[02:40] <rsferreira> Hi. I've being testing Gusty beta on a Sony Vaio PGC-K115Z but it will only boot on battery. In the ac power, it chashes some seconds after GDM is loaded. And, if power is plugged after a normal boot on battery, system crashes immediatly. The only way to boot on ac power is to set acpi=off in the kernel line. Has anyone faced similar problems? Gusty boots ok in the live CD and I've been running Feisty with no problems.
[02:41] <Poromenos> how can i easily partition a new harddisk from the command line? parted is telling me "unrecognised disk label"
[02:43] <soul9> cfdisk, fdisk
[02:43] <soul9> Poromenos, ^
[02:43] <soul9> cfdisk is easy
[02:43] <Poromenos> ah, thanks
[02:44] <Poromenos> bah, "unsupported gnu disk label, use parted"
[02:44] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i'm running 7.10 beta, azureus seems to crash randomly, console outputting an error about sigsegv, and a problematic frame, the full error output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/719/  any idea how i can fix this?
[02:45] <soul9> Poromenos, heh, that's fun
[02:45] <DarkMageZ> jscinoz, check the bug reports :) tho i'd advise switching to ktorrent
[02:46] <jscinoz> I prefer azureus, and i'd like it if someone would actually help for once instead of just recommending a different torrent client.
[02:46] <Poromenos> soul9: indeed :) i just relabeled it to msdos and it works now, thanks
[02:46] <knubbe> oh...
[02:46] <knubbe> so i shouldnt press "next" now? (on my way to upgrade)
[02:46] <kling0n> jscinoz: i think the contents of it's debud file would be more helpful
[02:46] <Poromenos> how can i make a filesystem/format the partition?
[02:46] <kling0n> jscinoz: hs_err_pid31627.log
[02:47] <Poromenos> mkfs.ext3 seems to work...
[02:47] <jscinoz> alright one second
[02:47] <soul9> Poromenos, mkfs.ext3/xfs/jfs/whatever
[02:47] <rsferreira> hi, guys: any ideas in the acpi issue?
[02:47] <Poromenos> what's the best fs to use?
[02:47] <Poromenos> i am looking for stability
[02:47] <kling0n> Poromenos: ext3 i pretty stable
[02:47] <Poromenos> good, thanks
[02:47] <DarkMageZ> jscinoz, there's a azureus-gcj package which a friend of mine uses over the azureus package cause of a very similar sounding issue.
[02:47] <kling0n> Poromenos: and used for lots of linux distros
[02:48] <kling0n> Poromenos: reiser has some cool features too though and is default for SUSE
[02:48] <Poromenos> so after i have done all this, do i need to do something to get the drive added to fstab?
[02:48] <Poromenos> hmm
[02:48] <jscinoz> hmm i'll try that
[02:48] <jscinoz> heres a paste of that file http://paste.ubuntu.com/720/
[02:48] <soul9> xfs is real nice too
[02:48] <Poromenos> i think i'll go with ext3, i don't need any fancy features right now
[02:48] <kling0n> Poromenos: basically if you don't know - go with ext3
[02:48] <Poromenos> kling0n: yeah, probably
[02:48] <Poromenos> it's a work machine
[02:48] <Poromenos> so i shouldn't use experimental fses
[02:48] <kling0n> I still havent found anything to compete with the UFS filesystem and utils on my bsd sevrer
[02:48] <kling0n> server
[02:49] <kling0n> it'll run fdisk in the background without making me wait for it
[02:49] <kling0n> :)
[02:49] <Poromenos> how do i add the drive to fstab automatically btw?
[02:51] <soul9> why in $%# can't I get a normal multiple-monitor setup?!
[02:52] <jepler> anybody know of a reason that rebuilding the 6.06 live cd on a 7.10 host will fail?  It's not my first choice for this task, but it's the only machine I have available at the moment.
[02:52] <Poromenos> how can i have ubuntu recheck hard disks and add them to fstab?
[02:52] <soul9> dunno, but building a system on a beta system doesn't sound like a good idea
[02:53] <jscinoz> DarkMageZ,  does the azureus-gcj package require a different command to start it? or just "azureus" as normal
[02:53] <hetauma> are there any known issues with write to usb flash memory speed? sometimes it takes ages
[02:54] <DarkMageZ> jscinoz, not sure. i've never personally used it
[02:55] <jscinoz> hmm i'll try with the normal command and see if the crash occurs
[03:02] <savvas> Poromenos: it should be done while installing the new operating system, otherwise... I'm not sure if it works, but try the pysdm package, then from the menu: system > administration > storage device manager
[03:03] <gerro> how do I get ipw3945d running?
[03:04] <gerro> I mean... like use the connection
[03:05] <Poromenos> savvas: i don't have the desktop package installed :/
[03:05] <Poromenos> i'll just add it manually, no big deal
[03:07] <savvas> Poromenos: ah ok then, you have examples from the rest of the lines in /etc/fstab ;)
[03:07] <penguincentral> i'm having screen resolution problems.  My monitor is 1280x1024, yet the desktop looks like it's zoomed in.  I went to System>Preferences>Screen Resolution, and it says that the res is 1792x1344.  I try putting it back to 1280x1024 but it won't work
[03:08] <Poromenos> savvas: that i do :)
[03:08] <savvas> penguincentral: try system > admin > screens and graphics
[03:08] <penguincentral> savvas: tried that and it has the same problem
[03:09] <savvas> penguincentral: try lower it, say 800x600
[03:09] <penguincentral> must be a shoddy update because the last time i had a graphics problem was because of a faulty update, and then another one was released 15 mins later that fixed it
[03:09] <penguincentral> ok savvas
[03:09] <penguincentral> savvas: it won't change
[03:10] <savvas> penguincentral: try restart the gdm, ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:10] <soul9> what's the new name of the xlibs-dev package?
[03:11] <penguincentral> ok
[03:11] <savvas> (oops)
[03:13] <savvas> I really penguincentral's drivers aren't messed up
[03:13] <savvas> *really hope
[03:13] <savvas> ah here he is!
[03:13] <penguincentral> savvas: back, it's fixed
[03:14] <savvas> penguincentral: great, it could be a game or a program you ran
[03:14] <savvas> I get it with enemy territory
[03:14] <penguincentral> savvas: earlier i was recording a screencast
[03:14] <penguincentral> but that was in another user account
[03:14] <savvas> ah
[03:14] <penguincentral> i tried logging out, the computer crashed and i had to reboot
[03:15] <penguincentral> that's beta software for ya
[03:15] <savvas> ouch
[03:15] <penguincentral> savvas: it may have been something in the update that i did a few hours ago, i dunno
[03:15] <penguincentral> savvas: i have the same problem at the login screen
[03:16] <savvas> penguincentral: I think you can fix that by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:16] <savvas> you know.. limit the screen's resolutions
[03:17] <penguincentral> savvas: yeah
[03:17] <penguincentral> it's not a big issue, i can still log in and out
[03:17] <penguincentral> what happened with the update manager?
[03:17] <savvas> if the problem persists, you know where to file a bug :)
[03:17] <penguincentral> launchpad?
[03:17] <savvas> yep
[03:18] <savvas> http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <savvas> what's wrong with update manager?
[03:19] <penguincentral> savvas: sorry, notifier
[03:19] <penguincentral> good question, dunno
[03:19] <savvas> ah that's already out i think
[03:19] <savvas> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/amd64/update-notifier/0.61
[03:19] <savvas> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/update-notifier/0.61
[03:21] <penguincentral> !bug 16472 | savvas
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 16472 in gdm "Login Screen Resolution" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/16472
[03:22] <jscinoz> DarkMageZ, no good it crashed with the same details
[03:23] <penguincentral> savvas: i think someone else beat me to it ;)
[03:24] <savvas> penguincentral: 2005?! reopen it :)
[03:25] <penguincentral> savvas: how do i do that?
[03:25] <DarkMageZ> jscinoz, you might want to check this out and see if any match your issue then track it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/
[03:25] <savvas> penguincentral: click on the status "invalid"
[03:26] <vmlinuz`> while updating I get this in my system tray, an icon that looks weird and when i hover my mouse on it, it says "Unable to get data...."
[03:26] <penguincentral> savvas: shall i assign it to myself?
[03:26] <savvas> penguincentral: set the bug to confirmed if you really think you have the same problem, provide some details or put them a note to ask for what they want
[03:26] <vmlinuz`> and looks like my updating stopped. and my downloading isn't working either at the moment
[03:26] <savvas> penguincentral: no, leave that :)
[03:26] <IdleOne> vmlinuz`: ignore it
[03:26] <vmlinuz`> whats going on
[03:26] <penguincentral> ok
[03:27] <vmlinuz`> IdleOne: but everything just stopped. and my hard-disk isn't full yet
[03:27] <savvas> vmlinuz`: that should be the power manager :p
[03:27] <vmlinuz`> savvas: hmm, so it's a Computer hard-ware problem?
[03:27] <vmlinuz`> do i change my power supply or what
[03:27] <savvas> no idea, was the upgrade completed?
[03:28] <gerro> soo.. no one here has tried out ipw3945 wireless card with gutsy?
[03:28] <vmlinuz`> yep savvas it's done now
[03:28] <IdleOne> vmlinuz`:  I get the same icon and yeah it seems like the upgrade is froze but it will start back up ( does for me )
[03:28] <savvas> !wifi | gerro
[03:28] <ubotu> gerro: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:28] <gerro> savvas: this is the gutsy channel. things have changed
[03:28] <vmlinuz`> IdleOne: yea it just did. and installation now is completed.
[03:29] <jscinoz> darkmagez sounds like the problem is the version in official repos is outdated
[03:29] <vmlinuz`> IdleOne: but thing is. I wanted to understand why does it do that
[03:29] <savvas> gerro: well.. always time to add some info if you know something :)
[03:29] <penguincentral> savvas: it won't let me change what version of ubuntu that the bug is related to because it says that it is for 5.04
[03:29] <soul9> so does anyone know what became the name of xlibs-dev?
[03:30] <soul9> (the feisty package xlibs-dev)
[03:30] <soul9> !xlibs-dev
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xlibs-dev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <gerro> savvas: doesn't seem like there is any info needed. It tried to automatically setup the driver for me. Strangely it says its proprietary. But still wireless does not function
[03:31] <robertj> are there how fairs gutsy these days on ppc w a r300 graphics adapter/
[03:31] <soul9> r300 should work
[03:31] <savvas> penguincentral: file a new one, explain it's on 7.10 and paste/attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:31] <soul9> dunno if ppc is supported at all
[03:31] <penguincentral> ok
[03:31] <robertj> soul9: its unsupported, but AFAIK still built
[03:32] <soul9> well, there u go then
[03:32] <IdleOne> vmlinuz`: I dont know why it does that
[03:32] <robertj> yes, but I was hoping for more of a "I'm using it now XXX doesn't work."
[03:32] <soul9> the r300 oss driver should work on ppc
[03:32] <savvas> penguincentral: don't fill in the package if you're not sure, just explain what's wrong
[03:32] <soul9> robertj, ok, that's not me :-)
[03:32] <penguincentral> ok
[03:32] <soul9> I used gentoo on my ppc 'cause ubuntu was slow as hell
[03:33] <soul9> but that was a G3 and hoary or whatever
[03:33] <gerro> savvas: if ipw3945 is still not added properly into gutsy that is all I need to know.. I understand it is still beta stuff
[03:33] <soul9> ipw3945 works fine here..
[03:33] <gerro> soul9: what did you do to get it working?
[03:33] <soul9> nothing
[03:33] <soul9> what are u getting?
[03:33] <gerro> soul9: perhaps I am not up to date enough I'm running another update. I haven't used laptop in a week
[03:34] <robertj> soul9: hrmm, I had good performance on my g3 ibook 900 with dapper (then the logic board died again)
[03:34] <_nand_> hi!
[03:34] <gerro> soul9: well I can't turn on its interface I do ifup wlan0 and ifup eth1 but nothing
[03:34] <soul9> WHAT IS THE NEW NAME OF THE XLIBS-DEV PACKAGE?????
[03:34] <savvas> gerro: you could download the livecd and try it out yourself, as I said, all the bug reports are welcome
[03:34] <soul9> gerro, ifup isn't enough
[03:34] <_nand_> does someone know if qt3 is still shipped in gutsy?
[03:34] <soul9> gerro, ^
[03:34] <soul9> gerro, what did you do to try to connect to a network?
[03:34] <gerro> soul9: its not even listed under network thing
[03:34] <soul9> did you at least try iwconfig to see if the card is there?
[03:34] <soul9> s/card/NIC
[03:35] <gerro> soul9: I think I need to add some configurations in /etc for the interface
[03:35] <savvas> soul9: xlibs-static-dev ?
[03:35] <gerro> savvas: what does static mean?
[03:35] <soul9> you need to enable it in restricted-manager?
[03:35] <soul9> gerro, ^
[03:35] <gerro> soul9: it is enabled in restricted manager
[03:35] <savvas> I've no idea
[03:35] <savvas> I just search the apt-cache
[03:35] <gerro> soul9: I tried disabling and enabling again
[03:36] <soul9> savvas, well, that doesn't seem to be all of it
[03:36] <soul9> gerro, and if you do in a shell: lsmod |grep ipw
[03:36] <soul9> what does it give?
[03:36] <gerro> soul9: ah new kernel update here hope it fixes the problem
[03:36] <soul9> ok, let's wait for that
[03:37] <jscinoz> darkmagez, fixed it, copied the Azureus2.jar from the 2.5.0.4 package from getazureus.com to /usr/share/java
[03:37] <freezerburn> When it says don't run Gutsy, why so?
[03:37] <soul9> savvas, try installing xlibs-dev on feisty, you'll see tons of packages getting installed
[03:37] <soul9> xlibs-static-dev isn't close as much
[03:37] <gerro> soul9: brb
[03:37] <heguru> freezerburn: because its still beta
[03:38] <freezerburn> heguru: oh ok, I was like did something big break and if we did the update would that make things royally screwed
[03:39] <soul9> savvas, my guess would be that it's been split up
[03:39] <soul9> which sucks
[03:39] <bushwakko> I fixed my kernel panic by appending noapic to grub
[03:39] <bushwakko> however now I get a new error
[03:39] <savvas> soul9: it's a transitional package, this is the feisty version: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/oldlibs/xlibs-dev - you can try install the packages in gutsy, with sudo apt-get install packagename
[03:40] <soul9> savvas, ok, so basically i just install the deps of xlibs-dev on gutsy?
[03:40] <penguincentral> savvas: !bug 150938
[03:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150938 in ubuntu "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150938
[03:41] <penguincentral> savvas: all there
[03:41] <bushwakko> I get ann udevd error (i think its when loading the initrd image thing)
[03:41] <soul9> what's the error?
[03:41] <gerro> soul9: alright restricted drivers says ipw3945 is enabled but not in use. Different output than before
[03:41] <freezerburn> Someone was saying something about a realtime kernel, what's that about?
[03:41] <soul9> gerro, that's fine, if it works ;-)
[03:42] <savvas> soul9: here's the command, try it, I hope all the packages are still there: sudo apt-get install libice-dev libsm-dev libx11-dev libxext-dev libxi-dev libxmu-dev libxmuu-dev libxpm-dev libxrandr-dev libxt-dev libxtrap-dev libxtst-dev libxv-dev x-dev zlib1g-dev
[03:42] <gerro> soul9: trying disable/enable again
[03:42] <soul9> savvas, that looks more like it
[03:43] <soul9> though it still doesn't look as much as in feisty, but i'll try
[03:43] <savvas> soul9: and save it in a "memo" file or something :)
[03:43] <soul9> savvas, yep :-)
[03:43] <savvas> well the libs are defined as oldlibs
[03:44] <soul9> tomboy does a good job for that
[03:44] <savvas> maybe there are new versions or packages being used instead of those
[03:44] <soul9> I have them in my cache still, so i guess they haven't changed since feisty
[03:45] <gerro> soul9: still says ipw3945 not in use
[03:46] <soul9> gerro, ^
 gerro, that's fine, if it works ;-)
[03:46] <gerro> soul9: doesn't work, and lsmod |grep "ipw" says nothing
[03:47] <soul9> gerro, try modprobe ipw3945
[03:48] <gerro> soul9: FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.2007-10-09 09:47:45: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[03:48] <soul9> there you go
[03:49] <soul9> install your kernel's restricted drivers
[03:49] <soul9> oh, noez
[03:49] <soul9> nonono
[03:49] <gerro> ?
[03:49] <soul9> gerro, can you paste the output of the lspci command?
[03:49] <soul9> !paste
[03:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:49] <effie_jayx> hehe... yesterdays build does not start a live session... it gets stuck on GDM asking for a password... tried ubuntu pass: ubuntu and nothing :S
[03:49] <gerro> soul9: yeah I was checking lshw earlier to see if there were problems, how about I paste that?
[03:50] <soul9> no, paste lspci
[03:50] <soul9> lshw?
[03:50] <soul9> hmm, sec.
[03:50] <gerro> this line right: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[03:51] <soul9> that's friggin' strange
[03:51] <savvas> effie_jayx: yesterday's build?
[03:51] <gerro> soul9: what is?
[03:51] <soul9> can you check " dmesg |tail " if there is mor info in there?
[03:52] <effie_jayx> savvas,  yes
[03:53] <gerro> soul9: just some acpi stuff and eth0 no ipv6 routing
[03:53] <soul9> gerro, that you have a 3945 and the module says you don't
[03:53] <soul9> :-/
[03:53] <effie_jayx> I remember the user and password being ubuntu
[03:53] <soul9> you sure you don't have wifi disabled in bios?
[03:53] <soul9> gerro, ^
[03:53] <gerro> soul9: perhaps the switch on my laptop I should have it on when I boot?
[03:53] <effie_jayx> it happened once before... on a herd in feisty
[03:53] <gerro> soul9: I highly doubt that
[03:54] <soul9> try with the switch on
[03:54] <soul9> sorry, gtg right now
[03:54] <gerro> okay
[03:56] <savvas> effie_jayx: I'd suggest to try the official beta from http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
[03:57] <branstrom> Don't run gutsy?
[03:57] <branstrom> Why not?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> good question
[03:57] <soul9> so you have something to ask... ;-)
[03:58] <bullgard4> How much free disk memory do I need on my partitions in order to upgrade from Ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10?
[03:59] <effie_jayx> savvas,  yes, I know... just thought that the daily would be stable enough... my bad...
[03:59] <`Matir> bullgard4, that depends a lot on what all you have installed
[03:59] <bullgard4> matysek: Please elaborate.
[03:59] <bullgard4> Matir: Please elaborate.
[04:00] <branstrom> heguru: I didn't add anything manually when using feisty, and now that I've upgraded the keyring isn't remembering my password (at least not when connecting on the command line) - what should I remove exactly in /etc/pam.d/ for the keyring to unlock everything when I log in to Gnome?
[04:00] <cliffstah> bullgard4: in other words, if you have relatively nothing installed, it wont take much.. if you have everything installed, it'll take loads.. ;-)
[04:01] <cliffstah> or in other words... noone could possibly know how much disk space YOUR installation will take :-)
[04:01] <Viaken> I'm having a problem with hard lockups on kernels > 2.6.22-11 and my ndiswrapper wireless. Is this a known problem or do I need to file a bug report?
[04:01] <bullgard4> cliffstah: I do not believe you.
[04:01] <cliffstah> bullgard4: what is not to believe?
[04:01] <`Matir> bullgard4, try the upgrade.  it will tell you how much space is needed
[04:01] <bullgard4> cliffstah: I do not believe you what you have just told me.
[04:01] <cliffstah> bullgard4: what is not to believe about it?
[04:02] <cliffstah> bullgard4: I do not believe you have much but empty space between your ears.
[04:02] <IdleOne> bullgard4: the upgrade will use +- 1 gig
[04:02] <IdleOne> if that even
[04:02] <branstrom> 1 gig? What's the size difference between a default desktop install with feisty and gutsy?
[04:03] <bullgard4> cliffstah: The additional disk space I need is a function of the differences of Gutsy kernel and Feisty kernel and almost not of what I have installed additionally.
[04:03] <bazhang> Hi Hobbsee!
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[04:03] <cliffstah> bullgard4: the kernel is a small part of a total install.
[04:03] <IdleOne> branstrom: it's not just the default desktop but all the other stuff you have installed also that gets upgraded but 1 gig is alot so I dont think it uses even that much
[04:03] <bazhang> good to see you in Gutsy!
[04:04] <Viaken> bullgard4: What you have installed additionally gets upgraded, too. Therefore, there's absolutely no way for us to tell what the size difference will be for your install.
[04:04] <cliffstah> Viaken: he won't believe you.
[04:04] <bullgard4> cliffstah: Your response is no answer on the question which I have put here in the channel.
[04:04] <cliffstah> bullgard4: yes, it is
[04:05] <cliffstah> Viaken just said exactly the same thing, and IdleOne too
[04:05] <bazhang> Hobbsee, btw, I took your words to heart; I'm now advising to wait for 10/18--not the hapless souls in this channel of course..haha but elsewhere. Cheers!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> bazhang: yay!
[04:05] <bazhang> advising others. duh
[04:05] <Viaken> I suppose I should wait til 10/18 to upgrade my sister's laptop. :\
[04:07] <bazhang> Viaken: probably a good idea; lots of stuff will break in the nest week or so
[04:07] <Viaken> Speaking of, I'm having a problem with hard lockups on kernels > 2.6.22-11 and my ndiswrapper wireless. Is this a known problem or do I need to file a bug report?
[04:07] <bazhang> next--darned new keyboard!
[04:07] <cliffstah> are people still having problems with the latest compiz-fusion update?
[04:07] <cliffstah> i daren't upgrade it yet
[04:07] <cliffstah> heh, bullgard4 quit without response.. pure arrogance
[04:08] <Viaken> I forgot I had gears in my cube...works fine here. lol
[04:08] <bazhang> Viaken: you on Feisty?
[04:08] <cliffstah> what did he want?  answers to the nearest kilobyte?
[04:08] <Viaken> bazhang: Nope. Gutsy.
[04:09] <Taejo> why shouldn't I run gutsy?
[04:09] <bazhang> latest kernel is 13, I believe
[04:09] <cliffstah> lol.
[04:09] <cliffstah> that topic has generated so much traffic
[04:09] <bazhang> Taejo; well it's a beta--though quite good still stuff gets broken
[04:09] <Viaken> bazhang: Right. 12 and 13 hard lock on my laptop as soon as the wireless associates with an AP.
[04:09] <cliffstah> Taejo: I believe it is to prevent every man and his dog upgrading and complaining things wont work
[04:09] <sebastian> hey guys ... how do i make banshee play realradio?
[04:09] <bazhang> Viaken: which wireless card
[04:10] <Taejo> cliffstah, should I wait a week, then?
[04:10] <Viaken> RTL-8185 with ndiswrapper
[04:10] <bazhang> Taejo: probably a good idea; unless you want to be a beta tester..haha
[04:10] <Viaken> I wonder if there's a kernel log kicking around...
[04:11] <Taejo> I happily run most things in beta... but I don't think a whole distro in beta is for me?
[04:12] <savvas> Taejo: if you know your way around dpkg and apt-get and aptitude, then do join :)
[04:12] <Pici> If you don't, please please please wait.
[04:12] <Pici> :)
[04:12] <savvas> well I wouldn't beg him, but it's not advisable :P
[04:12] <Taejo> I know my way around dpkg, apt-get and aptitude, but I'm not keen to go a week without a computer
[04:13] <savvas> Taejo: most things work for me, except for openoffice base and impress apps
[04:13] <Taejo> well, I can go a week without OOo
[04:13] <savvas> I'm even playing games on it!
[04:14] <Viaken> Taejo: My wireless is causing hard lockups on the latest kernel images.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Taejo: would be odd for the system not to boot at all.
[04:14] <Taejo> that's worrying: wireless is basically my only upgrade path
[04:14] <Taejo> or rather, upgrade vector
[04:14] <Viaken> I'm using ndiswrapper and a realtek chip, though. You may be fine if you're not...
[04:15] <cliffstah> sorry phone rang
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Viaken: yeah, well.  ndiswrapper and such...
[04:15] <cliffstah> Taejo: if you're prepared to fix things if they break, file bug reports when you find problems, then run gutsy :-)
[04:16] <cliffstah> personally I've had few problems, but I know from being here that isn't the case generally
[04:17] <cliffstah> Taejo: and if something does totally break your machine, you can always downgrade a package or two to restore it
[04:17] <Taejo> I won't be able to file bug reports if I have no wireless, but ok, I will upgrade tomorrow (I have fast access to a mirror at university)
[04:18] <cliffstah> for example, there was a kernel update a few days ago but I had to wait 2 or 3 days for the linux-restricted* to be updated before I could run it, so I just stuck with the old kernel for a couple of days
[04:19] <gesker> I'm having trouble getting sound going on 64bit Gutsy on a HP ML350 using a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS card. Anyone familiar with how to configure this card?
[04:20] <savvas> gesker: try the tests, from the menu: System > Preferences > Sound
[04:21] <Someguyfromhell> hi
[04:21] <gesker> savvas: Just a whine/hum
[04:21] <branstrom> So guys, how do I get libpam-gnome-keyring to work in gutsy? I've upgraded from feisty and it doesn't remember my passphrase.
[04:22] <gesker> savvas: When I try to plan an mp3 I can sort of hear it under the whine/hum
[04:22] <savvas> gesker: then try a different module from the drop down
[04:22] <wave_> i have snd problem ... anyone help
[04:22] <wave_> "
[04:22] <wave_> ?
[04:23] <Someguyfromhell> does anyone know a nondestructive way to install ubuntu gusty (keep vista bootloader)
[04:23] <cliffstah> please dont tell me you bought that pos :P
[04:23] <cliffstah> came with a new pc, right?
[04:23] <Someguyfromhell> i torrented it
[04:23] <cliffstah> haha
[04:23] <cliffstah> good enough ;-)
[04:23] <malajenho> hi,i've got an ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 and I've installed propietary driver with gutsy gibbon and now my highest resolution is only 1024x768, what could I do ???
[04:23] <Someguyfromhell> isohunt ftw
[04:23] <cliffstah> but, why?
[04:23] <cliffstah> its awful
[04:23] <Someguyfromhell> no cash
[04:23] <Pici> !piracy
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[04:23] <cliffstah> no I mean, why use it
[04:24] <Someguyfromhell> but can u answer my question?
[04:24] <Someguyfromhell> how to install gusty without killing vista
[04:24] <gesker> savvas: only autodetect and con of the CA0106 choices works; that is makes the speakers whine. The others don't seem to do anything.
[04:24] <cliffstah> it won't touch your bootloader if you don't install grub on the vista partition and instead activate your linux partition
[04:24] <gesker> savvas: only autodetect and one of the CA0106 choices works; that is makes the speakers whine. The others don't seem to do anything.
[04:24] <cliffstah> now answer mine :P why use vista? :P
[04:24] <wave_> ive upgraded kubuntu from feisty 2 gutsy .... now my sound does not work. I have 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[04:25] <Someguyfromhell> cuz i like crysis
[04:25] <Someguyfromhell> and dx10
[04:25] <Someguyfromhell> i have an 8800gts
[04:25] <cliffstah> why?
[04:25] <Someguyfromhell> so why not
[04:25] <cliffstah> ah.
[04:25] <Someguyfromhell> plus my pc is fast
[04:25] <cliffstah> i find the OS sickening to use personally, I hate it
[04:25] <Someguyfromhell> and i dont like the look of xp or the skins
[04:25] <savvas> Someguyfromhell: www.vixta.org :p
[04:25] <cliffstah> I'm avoiding it like the plague
[04:26] <Someguyfromhell> vista is socalled "refreshing"
[04:26] <cliffstah> to the point of buying a Mac, and using Ubuntu on my PC
[04:26] <reverseblade> Hello I can't seem to use my nvidia driver. Can anyone help ?
[04:26] <savvas> gesker: check the volume control also, mute some stuff etc., applications > sound&video > volume control. You can change the device in the menu, File > change devide
[04:26] <savvas> *device
[04:27] <Someguyfromhell> savvas: cool skin but i like the translucency
[04:27] <savvas> reverseblade: from the menu: System > administration > restricted drivers manager, check to enable the card's driver
[04:28] <tripzero> can anyone confirm gutsy and xorg7.3/xserver1.4??
[04:28] <cliffstah> compiz makes vista look like Win3.1
[04:28] <savvas> who had a problem with keyring?
[04:28] <reverseblade> savvas, if I do that it asks for a restart
[04:28] <reverseblade> savvas, and after restarting it fails back to fail safe
[04:28] <tripzero> cliffstah: yeah it does :D
[04:28] <savvas> wave_: in the terminal type this and check if it says "unknown device": lspci
[04:29] <Someguyfromhell> so if i install gusty on a seperate drive (partition it) without windows, it won't overwrite vista bootloader? then i can try it out (wubi minefield doesn't work good)
[04:29] <reverseblade> savvas, in deed I am using gutsy. I was using fiesty and it was working. I upgraded gutsy it was working again . But there was a recent upgrade gutsy and enabling it in restricted drivers manager causes fails safe X to run
[04:29] <cliffstah> Someguyfromhell: like I said, don't let it install the bootloader on your vista drive, instead install it on your ubuntu drive and activate that partition (or drive in BIOS)
[04:29] <Someguyfromhell> ok thanks
[04:30] <wave_> savvas ... i check that and its ok 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[04:30] <savvas> reverseblade: in terminal type this: uname -r
[04:30] <tripzero> can anyone confirm gutsy and xorg7.3/xserver1.4??
[04:30] <reverseblade> savvas, 2.6.22-13-generic
[04:30] <savvas> reverseblade: actually do this:  apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[04:30] <cliffstah> tripzero: what do you mean?
[04:31] <cliffstah> i'll happily confirm if you tell me what to confirm exactly :P
[04:31] <wave_> i cannot load the driver ... FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[04:31] <tripzero> does/will gutsy have it?
[04:31] <savvas> !paste | reverseblade
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[04:31] <cliffstah> oh.
[04:31] <reverseblade> savvas, http://monoport.com/5008
[04:32] <tripzero> cliffstah: doesn't seem to be in the repos as of now...
[04:32] <cliffstah> 7.2
[04:32] <cliffstah> core 1.3
[04:32] <tripzero> I know we are in beta now but is that likely going to change?
[04:33] <cliffstah> can't answer that question
[04:33] <cliffstah> do you need something from it specifically?
[04:33] <savvas> reverseblade: do you know if you're using nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx ?
[04:33] <cliffstah> oh I see..
[04:34] <savvas> reverseblade: I'd suggest to try this: uncheck the driver in restricted drivers manager, restart and recheck it and restart again.
[04:34] <reverseblade> savvas, earlier I am using nvidia-glx-new. now also nvidia-glx-new is installed
[04:34] <reverseblade> savvas, the enabled status is alredy unchecked. IT says unchecked and it says InUse with green
[04:35] <savvas> lovely, a broken manager :p
[04:35] <savvas> reverseblade: did you install the drivers by yourself in apt-get ?
[04:35] <savvas> reverseblade: or did you install the drivers from nvidia.com directly?
[04:36] <Pusur> Is it possible to make the panels dissapear completely when auto-hiding?
[04:36] <reverseblade> savvas, I have tried both
[04:36] <reverseblade> savvas, currently I think it is from apt-get
[04:37] <savvas> reverseblade: do this: sudo nvidia-installer --uninstall
[04:37] <reverseblade> savvas, http://emperon.googlepages.com/Screenshot-RestrictedDrivers.png
[04:38] <Sleft> I'm having trouble getting wired network connection to work in gutsy
[04:38] <reverseblade> savvas, done
[04:38] <savvas> reverseblade: did it say command not found?
[04:38] <reverseblade> savvas, it worked and uninstalled
[04:38] <savvas> heh
[04:39] <reverseblade> what's wrong ?
[04:39] <savvas> reverseblade: give me a sec
[04:39] <reverseblade> okay
[04:39] <savvas> reverseblade: close restricted drivers manager for now
[04:39] <reverseblade> done
[04:40] <savvas> reverseblade: do this: restricted-manager --check
[04:40] <reverseblade> savvas, no output
[04:40] <savvas> hm..
[04:41] <reverseblade> savvas, on the fail safe X , I select nv and make a test and it passes
[04:41] <savvas> reverseblade: do you see "nv" or "nvidia" with this command: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "driver"
[04:42] <reverseblade> but when I select nvidia it pauses and restarts fails safe x
[04:42] <reverseblade> savvas, nv
[04:42] <reverseblade> I chose nv
[04:42] <reverseblade> it is the only way I could boot into gnome
[04:42] <savvas> great, you're in failsafe now?
[04:42] <reverseblade> no
[04:42] <reverseblade> I can be if you want
[04:42] <reverseblade> and connect in irssi
[04:42] <savvas> no no it's fine
[04:44] <savvas> reverseblade: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[04:44] <reverseblade> savvas, I had tried purging and reinstalling the nvidia-glx-new earlier ,no joy
[04:44] <kling0n> reverseblade: sudo apt-get --reinstall nvidia-glx-new; nvidia-glx-config
[04:44] <reverseblade> but I am gonna do it again
[04:44] <kling0n> reverseblade: sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx-new; nvidia-glx-config
[04:44] <kling0n> sorry
[04:45] <MTecknology> is there a single applet that lets me work with manual and automatic configuration? Right now I'm using both applets, and I don't even remember what they're called. At the university we're going to, somebody has an extra DHCP server going, so I set up a static IP to avoid that system... I just don't like having two icons up there
[04:46] <savvas> reverseblade: I was thinking of purging it, and then restarting and checking the driver in restricted drivers manager and restarting again
[04:46] <reverseblade> savvas, kling0n /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.100.14.11 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[04:46] <kling0n> MTecknology: you can set a firewall rule to deny all packets from the MAC address of the "extra" dhcp server
[04:46] <reverseblade> savvas, haven't tried it
[04:46] <savvas> you have compiz?
[04:46] <reverseblade> savvas, installed but not running
[04:47] <reverseblade> I guess
[04:47] <MTecknology> kling0n, how could i figure out the MAC?
[04:47] <reverseblade> at least no 3d on my desktop now
[04:47] <savvas> reverseblade: system > preferences > appearance > visual effects, disable it
[04:47] <MTecknology> kling0n, hell, if I found out the MAC, I could have it blocked from the university
[04:48] <reverseblade> savvas, already none
[04:48] <savvas> reverseblade: ok then try the "plan" I said before :)
[04:48] <reverseblade> savvas, I had just run what kling0n said and got the above error
[04:49] <reverseblade> am purging again
[04:50] <RaD|Tz> I have trouble with kernels 2.6.22-12 and -13
[04:50] <RaD|Tz> I get something like ata1.00: exception Emask....
[04:50] <kling0n> MTecknology: arpcache and sniffer tools
[04:50] <kling0n> MTecknology: you could check the output of dhclient log
[04:50] <savvas> reverseblade:  after all that, you can try to reconfigure the xserver-xorg package
[04:51] <reverseblade> savvas, after when ?
[04:51] <savvas> reverseblade: I mean if the above suggestion doesn't work
[04:51] <reverseblade> I also tried that anyway
[04:51] <reverseblade> rebooting now
[04:51] <savvas> argh
[04:51] <reverseblade> I'll come back if it doesn't work
[04:51] <savvas> ok
[04:52] <reverseblade> savvas, can't purge it
[04:52] <savvas> hm why?
[04:52] <reverseblade> savvas, http://monoport.com/5009
[04:52] <MTecknology> kling0n, what log file would I be looking in for that?
[04:52] <bushwakko> I have a comment for gutsy though, should add a newer artheros driver in the restricted driver package
[04:53] <bushwakko> madwifi
[04:53] <bushwakko> before the release
[04:53] <bushwakko> my ar5418 didnt work in this one
[04:54] <savvas> weird error, never seen it while purging an install
[04:54] <MTecknology> kling0n, i know /var/log/ - but not which file within there that i'm looking for
[04:54] <savvas> kling0n: any ideas?
[04:55] <kling0n> MTecknology: you could just tun dhclient manually
[04:55] <kling0n> MTecknology: it provides some output
[04:55] <kling0n> savvas, reverseblade try fetching the NVIDIA driver script from nvidia's homepage
[04:55] <kling0n> and sudo run it
[04:55] <kling0n> let it install itself
[04:56] <reverseblade> kling0n, you mean the binary driver ?
[04:56] <savvas> again?
[04:56] <kling0n> reverseblade: did you reboot into the kernel for which the nvidia kernel module was compiled?
[04:56] <savvas> I just told him to uninstall it
[04:56] <reverseblade> kling0n, I've booted into latest default kernel  I got
[04:56] <kling0n> savvas: right... i'm semi-afkish.. so Ill let you try to help him out :).. I'm supposed to be writing on my thesis atm :)
[04:57] <MTecknology> kling0n, is this line "DHCPACK from " going to tell me what IP I'm trying to receive the DHCP offer from?
[04:57] <reverseblade> why can't I remove nvidia-glx-new
[04:57] <kling0n> MTecknology: that gives you the ip of the dhcp server
[04:58] <savvas> reverseblade: try this: sudo dpkg -P nvidia-glx-new
[04:58] <kling0n> MTecknology: then you just type "arp -a (ip of dhcp server)
[04:58] <reverseblade> savvas, same error
[04:58] <reverseblade> savvas, some guy on the forums suggest to delete the file manually
[04:59] <reverseblade> to resolve the conflict
[04:59] <savvas> reverseblade: try this and cross your fingers: sudo dpkg -P --force-overwrite nvidia-glx-new
[04:59] <reverseblade> lol
[04:59] <kling0n> reverseblade: might want to replace all opengl related packages as well
[04:59] <reverseblade> savvas, same errors
[05:00] <savvas> reverseblade: does this work (without purge)? sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-new
[05:00] <reverseblade> kling0n, savvas http://monoport.com/5010
[05:00] <reverseblade> savvas, no same
[05:01] <MTecknology> kling0n, so if I get to the point where I can't get connected and it's b/c of the extra dhcp server (probably somebody running something they are unfamiliar with), I run dhclient, check the DHCPACK line, then arp -a | grep that IP, then log back onto the network through my static IP, and email the sys admin the info I found out?
[05:01] <savvas> reverseblade: wanna try the manual way? :)
[05:02] <reverseblade> savvas, worst case scenario ?
[05:03] <savvas> reverseblade: cat /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[05:04] <reverseblade> savvas, bunch of binary stuff
[05:05] <kling0n> MTecknology: yup
[05:05] <kling0n> MTecknology: and/or set up  a firewall rule on your own machine denying dhcp packets from that machine
[05:05] <reverseblade> savvas, I am deleting it
[05:05] <MTecknology> kling0n, does this make sense to you? http://pastebin.ca/730795
[05:05] <savvas> reverseblade: mkdir ~/Desktop/backup/ && mkdir ~/Desktop/backup/nvidia/ && cp /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ~/Desktop/backup/ && cp /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa ~/Desktop/backup/nvidia/
[05:06] <savvas> at least back them up first
[05:06] <MTecknology> kling0n, the only IP in the arp table is different from the dhcp server?
[05:06] <kling0n> MTecknology: type arp -a 138.247.52.1
[05:06] <reverseblade> savvas, ok
[05:06] <kling0n> MTecknology: to get MAC address of the dhcp server
[05:07] <savvas> reverseblade: then: sudo rm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[05:07] <MTecknology> kling0n, arp: in 1 entries no match found.
[05:07] <savvas> let's see if that fixes it
[05:08] <reverseblade> savvas, is this okay? http://monoport.com/5012
[05:08] <MTecknology> kling0n, I can ping the address, then arp -a right after and still nothing
[05:09] <savvas> reverseblade: try now: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new && sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new
[05:09] <kling0n> MTecknology: might just try to set a firewall rule to only allow dhcp packets from your uni network dhcp server then
[05:09] <savvas> just to be sure
[05:09] <kling0n> MTecknology: sort of the other way around :)
[05:09] <MTecknology> kling0n, I'd like to kill the system though
[05:09] <reverseblade> savvas, done but still wrong magic bytes error
[05:10] <jhaig> Which version of OpenOffice does Gutsy have?
[05:10] <reverseblade> jhaig, 2.3
[05:10] <MTecknology> kling0n, I run around to different places, so only allowing specific IP's from DHCP servers might be irritating... but... could you explain to me how to do that?
[05:10] <reverseblade> savvas, what's next ?
[05:11] <jhaig> reverseblade: Thanks.  I thought 2.2 was the latest version, but I've just seen that there is a 2.3 on Slashdot.
[05:11] <kling0n> !iptables
[05:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:11] <Ben_Cs> hello. i write in CLI the command: update-manager -d, the update manager opens but it says i have nothing to upgrade? so how do i upgrade to gutsy?
[05:11] <reverseblade> Ben_Cs, gksudo "update-manager -d -c"
[05:12] <gnomefreak> jhaig: openoffice version 2.3.0-1ubuntu2 in gutsy
[05:12] <MTecknology> kling0n, The closest I've ever been to IP tables is denyhosts and running through those
[05:12] <savvas> reverseblade: sudo cp /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[05:12] <reverseblade> then there should be an upgrade button
[05:12] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: no -c
[05:12] <Ben_Cs> reverseblade: and it updates to "gutsy beta"?
[05:12] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: rc
[05:13] <savvas> reverseblade: try this again: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new && sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new
[05:13] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, that's how I upgraded
[05:13] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: rc 5? but "beta" is the last one no?
[05:13] <reverseblade> savvas, it didn't work
[05:13] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: -c is no longer needed
[05:13] <reverseblade> savvas, cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa': No such file or directory
[05:13] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: RC will be released in a day or two we are testing the ISO's atm before release of RC
[05:13] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: when i write "update-manager -d"   i get nu upgrade
[05:14] <savvas> reverseblade: want to try your luck with a restart? :)
[05:14] <Ben_Cs> *no upgrade
[05:14] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: make sure you are using the version of update-manager in feisty-updates repo than sudo apt-get update than run gksudo update-manager -d
[05:14] <reverseblade> savvas, I don't think it would matter but okay
[05:15] <savvas> reverseblade: wait then
[05:15] <reverseblade> savvas, btw I run this :  sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new && sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new
[05:15] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: don't quite understand
[05:15] <savvas> and?
[05:15] <reverseblade> done
[05:15] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: to find the info out on update-manager please run apt-cache madison update-manager
[05:15] <savvas> reverseblade: no errors?
[05:15] <reverseblade> with  is not an ELF file
[05:15] <reverseblade> stuff
[05:15] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: tell me the repo it comes from
[05:15] <reverseblade> these are not errors
[05:16] <savvas> well what's an error when it says "is not" :p
[05:16] <savvas> ah he left
[05:17] <rfcompte> why shouldn't I run gutsy??
[05:17] <savvas> wb reverseblade
[05:17] <reverseblade> savvas, sorry x locked up and restarted
[05:17] <savvas> reverseblade: the pc or the desktop manager?
[05:17] <reverseblade> savvas, the last thing is done with same ELF stuff errors, desktop
[05:18] <gnomefreak> rfit still has some breakage
[05:18] <quigz> so whats the bug count down to now?
[05:18] <gnomefreak> oh well he left
[05:18] <gnomefreak> quigz: too many to count
[05:18] <savvas> reverseblade: ps ax | grep -i "compiz"
[05:18] <reverseblade> savvas, only same command lline
[05:19] <quigz> well i think i heard it was only 19 as of some time last night
[05:19] <savvas> hrm
[05:19] <savvas> reverseblade: did you restart the desktop manager or the computer?
[05:19] <reverseblade> savvas, it restarted X only I think
[05:19] <reverseblade> savvas, and I did not
[05:20] <reverseblade> itself did it
[05:20] <reverseblade> not the computer definitely
[05:20] <reverseblade> savvas, shall I reboot
[05:20] <reverseblade> it's no biggie
[05:20] <savvas> reverseblade: please do
[05:20] <reverseblade> ok
[05:21] <savvas> gnomefreak: can the nvidia drivers "clash" with nvidia-glx-new ?
[05:21] <gnomefreak> savvas: nvidia-glx? or from  the nvidia site?
[05:21] <gerro> alright I was just in here complaining about ipw3945 if your having trouble with that then blacklist ipv6 like you would normally do with your computer to gain performance boost
[05:21] <savvas> gnomefreak: the nvidia.com drivers and nvidia-glx-new
[05:22] <gnomefreak> savvas: the drivers no the resticted modules it builds yes
[05:22] <Miz> Couple issues, here:  1. I can only start in Failsafe GNOME.  'intel' driver, upgraded from edgy to feisty to gutsy in the past.  If I go with regular startup, it results in a blank screen and hard-locked computer.  If I start in failsafe, I can run just fine.
[05:22] <savvas> gnomefreak: this dude I was helping had both installed
[05:22] <Miz> 2. (ogg theora video)  What's up with compiz eating mouse clicks?  http://www.codef0x.org/forum-content/pix/compiz-eats-mouseclicks.ogg
[05:23] <nanonyme> and i hope we'll get rid of ipv4 asap
[05:23] <gerro> nanonyme: state one single reason why?
[05:23] <nanonyme> nats
[05:23] <reverseblade> savvas, back
[05:23] <gerro> nanonyme: nats will still be in use they are still a helpful addition
[05:24] <gerro> we need an ipv4 2 not an ipv6
[05:24] <savvas> reverseblade: ok now check the driver from the restricted drivers manager
[05:24] <gnomefreak> savvas: nvidia.com drivers including using envy builds its own modules they have to be removed completely before ubuntu drivers will work. if you used envy you are pretty much screwed if you did it from nvidia.com it comes with a uninstall command
[05:24] <dfgas> the program where you can set you video card and monitors, is that a ubuntu thing or someone else?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> savvas: pretty much breaks it down to easiest to fix ^^
[05:24] <nanonyme> gerro, mostly not. there are enough addresses to give every computer a public address so what you have is a firewall, not a nat+firewall rules
[05:24] <reverseblade> savvas, good it fell back to not in use status (for the first time)
[05:25] <reverseblade> savvas, now installing some stuff
[05:25] <nanonyme> gerro, also there are enough addresses to give every cell phone and any other piece of electronics an ip address
[05:25] <gerro> nanonyme: it STILL falls short to the SAME weakness as ipv4 therefor accomplishes nothing but have more resources (longer address) than ipv4
[05:25] <savvas> reverseblade: great, nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?:)
[05:25] <gerro> and create so many f'ed up drivers :(
[05:25] <savvas> gnomefreak: ok thanks for the info :)
[05:25] <nanonyme> gerro, i have noticed no problems with ipv6 thus far
[05:25] <gnomefreak> np
[05:25] <reverseblade> savvas, says selecting previously deselected package nvidia-glx-new
[05:25] <nanonyme> and i'm actively using it
[05:25] <reverseblade> savvas, yes new.
[05:25] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: gksudo update-manager -d       shows i have nothing to update
[05:25] <MTecknology> How can I figure block DHCP offers from certain IP's?
[05:25] <reverseblade> savvas, but still I got this ELF errors
[05:26] <dfgas> k if it is a ubuntu thing i have an idea, allow you to set the monitor as dvi and vga
[05:26] <reverseblade> savvas, reboot ?
[05:26] <Miz> Ben_Cs: I believe you have to be fully up-to-date with all packages before itll show up.
[05:26] <nanonyme> gerro, actually the only thing that i know that causes problems with ipv6 is the deprecated 2.4 branch of linux kernels
[05:26] <savvas> reverseblade: great, we'll try and enable/disable compiz for the ELF errors
[05:26] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: im still waiting for the output of apt-cache madison update-manager from you
[05:26] <savvas> reverseblade: yes
[05:26] <gnomefreak> Miz: he just needs one package at this point
[05:26] <Miz> gnomefreak: Fair enough.
[05:26] <gerro> nanonyme: yeah why is that anyway? weren't those deemed more secure and stable than the later 2.6 kernels?
[05:26] <Miz> No love on my obscure issues?
[05:26] <gerro> not to mention lighter
[05:26] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: in what site can i paste output?
[05:26] <dfgas> i have a crappy 5200lp and it has dvi and vga, i can't get dual monitors to work, if i use a dvi to vga i can clone, but thats it
[05:27] <dfgas> i can never get it to work right
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: just tell me what repo it has listed
[05:27] <nanonyme> gerro, 2.4 is lacking stateful firewall options for ipv6
[05:27] <Miz> dfgas: Are you using an Intel chipset?
[05:27] <Miz> dfgas: (for video)
[05:27] <gerro> nanonyme: are there 2.4 kernel options for ubuntu?
[05:27] <nanonyme> probably no
[05:27] <gnomefreak> there should be
[05:28] <Miz> Ben_Cs: pastebin.com is one of many
[05:28] <gerro> yeah debian has those doesn't it :/
[05:28] <bushwakko> hey, I've made my own custom kernel for ubuntu
[05:28] <gnomefreak> use synaptic and search for kernel
[05:28] <dfgas> Miz, nvidia
[05:28] <bushwakko> but I need to add a new module
[05:28] <bushwakko> what is the correct way of doing this?
[05:28] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: gnomefreak
[05:28] <nanonyme> gnomefreak, why? the network stacks in it are awful
[05:28] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40068/
[05:28] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: why dont know but they should be there
[05:28] <gerro> bushwakko: compile the module?
[05:28] <Miz> dfgas: Ah not sure then, I know the Intel driver is in a state of flux right now and has multi-out effectively broken/disabled.
[05:29] <bushwakko> make modules and modules_install
[05:29] <bushwakko> I used some make-pkg thing earlier
[05:29] <bushwakko> which made a deb, that installed it
[05:29] <savvas> Miz: have you tried restarting the desktop manager to see if it doesn't eat those mouse clicks?
[05:29] <nanonyme> gnomefreak, seems linux-images for 2.4 were dropped off at feisty
[05:29] <Miz> savvas: window manager or desktop manager?  If you mean desktop manager I've not heard of such a thing.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: run update and dist-upgrade than let it update packages than try gksudo update-manager -d
[05:29] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: good
[05:30] <Miz> oh
[05:30] <Miz> savvas: You mean like, gdm?
[05:30] <savvas> Miz: yes: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:30] <nanonyme> it's probably available as sources though
[05:30] <Miz> Worth a shot.
[05:30] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: same thing
[05:31] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: you have the right version installed so just make sure evverything is right run update and upgrade or dist-upgrade and it will feed info back to update-manager and you should beable to upgade with that
[05:31] <reverseblade> savvas, we are exactly at the same place we started
[05:31] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: show me a screenshot please.
[05:31] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: till now the only way to upgarde that showed me i can upgrade was: update-manager -d -c
[05:31] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: did you restart update-manager or has it been open the whole time? did you hit the refresh button?
[05:32] <reverseblade> savvas, I rebooted and it fell to fail safe x , and only I could boot with nv and not nvidia and then restricted drivers unchecked and green in use
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: -c is no longer needed
[05:32] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: yes to all.
[05:32] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: restarted
[05:32] <reverseblade> savvas, is there any possibilty that the drivers are broken binarly
[05:32] <savvas> reverseblade: you upgraded from feisty to gutsy right? did you have compiz before?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: and you keep telling me that update-manager wont let you do it that way
[05:32] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: it says all the time: system up to date
[05:32] <reverseblade> savvas, yes. I was using beryl on fiesty and I used compiz on gutsy till the last update
[05:33] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: pastebin your sources.list
[05:33] <gnomefreak> file
[05:33] <savvas> reverseblade: I use the same drivers, i don't think they should be the problem
[05:33] <savvas> give me a sec i'll restart the gdm
[05:33] <reverseblade> savvas, no I donT mean that. May be the downloaded drivers broke at the downloading procedure. why do I get this ELF errors ?
[05:34] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: forgot the location of sources.list
[05:34] <reverseblade> savvas, ok
[05:35] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <Miz> interesting.  If I restart GDM while compiz is running, it goes and blacks out the screen as if I had booted into the regular "GNOME" session.
[05:35] <gnomefreak> brb
[05:36] <Miz> no cold glow, either.  It just plain goes dark.
[05:36] <savvas> reverseblade: I'm out of ideas :\
[05:36] <Miz> I'm tempted to blame the Intel driver.
[05:36] <savvas> if nvidia isn't working..
[05:36] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40070/
[05:36] <jetsaredim> are there any reasonably fast mirrors of the beta isos out there?
[05:37] <Miz> and yet, it doesn't quite make sence that I can --replace metacity and have it work except for the "no mouseclicks" thing.  Or most specifically, no left mouse button.
[05:37] <Miz> ...which defaults to moving the window.
[05:38] <savvas> reverseblade: do you have a separate /home partition? I'd do a format on / partition if I had the same problem, this would definitely clear out it's the package's fault and not the system
[05:38] <reverseblade> savvas, no
[05:38] <reverseblade> savvas, the thing is I am annoyed this x fail safe
[05:38] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: so what do u think?
[05:39] <reverseblade> savvas, I'd like to see an error instead
[05:39] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: give me a minute
[05:39] <Ben_Cs> k
[05:39] <savvas> reverseblade: did you install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com or using the envy application?
[05:40] <reverseblade> savvas, I think from apt  ?
[05:40] <spr0k3t> anyone with a soundblaster audigy, do you have sound back yet?
[05:40] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: run gksudo "update-manager -d"  just like that with the " and tell me exactly what you see what buttons you can push ect..
[05:40] <reverseblade> savvas, for the binary installer  I never used from the nvidia.com
[05:40] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: you didnt use envy ever?
[05:41] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, I used it about 4 months ago when I am on fiesty
[05:41] <savvas> reverseblade: not nvidia-glx, if nvidia-installer was present, then someone installed the ".run" version of the driver from nvidia.com
[05:41] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: 2 buttons: "check" and "close"
[05:41] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: did you reformat pc since that time
[05:41] <reverseblade> savvas, I did
[05:41] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: hit check
[05:41] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, no
[05:41] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: you need to get rid of the modules it built
[05:42] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: envy uses the nvidia.com drivers
[05:42] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: oh, now it shows me upgarde. thanks!
[05:42] <gnomefreak> envy doesnt let you uninstall tham
[05:42] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: yw
[05:42] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, why ? is my current problem related to that ?
[05:42] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: if you are trying to install nvidia drivers from ubuntu they are conflicting with the modules that envy built for you
[05:43] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: our drivers NEED to use our linux-restricted-modules package
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> Routinely
[05:43] <gnomefreak> but nvidia's built ones are still installed
[05:43] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, but nvidia was working on gutsy too . It just broke out with the latest updates
[05:43] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: what updates?
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> I try to use the install disk and it tells me there is a Xfer error 0x40
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> ??
[05:44] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, regular gutsy updates. Bunch of them, including a new kernel
[05:44] <savvas> gnomefreak: can you go on from here? I'm completely exhausted, I tried to help reverseblade to remove the nvidia packages, restart, and install again nvidia-glx-new. It shows him a fail safe error and he has to use the "nv" driver
[05:44] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: i need a list of them, i saw kernel updates like 2-3 days ago and my nvidia is still working fine so i need exact updates to determine this
[05:44] <gnomefreak> savvas: yeah
[05:44] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, I am at your order if I can
[05:45] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, if you can wait half an hour I can even provide you ssh access to my machine if you mind
[05:45] <gnomefreak> ok what nvidia package is installed right now?
[05:45] <john_doe> where can I find out how to get my usb sound card to work. It's in /proc/asound/cards but I can't get any sound through to it.
[05:45] <savvas> reverseblade: really sorry, I have to determine some virus/bacteria in real life :)
[05:45] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, nvidia-glx-new
[05:45] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: i dont need ssh access we can get you fixed with ease
[05:45] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: version?
[05:45] <reverseblade> savvas, thanks for your help
[05:45] <reverseblade> 100.14.11
[05:46] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: let me guess uname -r says you are on -13 kernel?
[05:46] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, exactly
[05:46] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: your drivers are not up to date
[05:46] <gnomefreak> nvidia-glx-new: Installed: 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-13.6
[05:46] <gnomefreak> thats the version you should have :)
[05:47] <reverseblade> lemme check
[05:47] <john_doe> gnomefreak: how did you get the version number?
[05:47] <gnomefreak> for the kernel you are running. please remove than with apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new
[05:47] <gnomefreak> john_doe: thats latest version in gutsy
[05:47] <gnomefreak> 500 http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages
[05:47] <gnomefreak> from that repo :)
[05:47] <john_doe> gnomefreak: ok, but how can one check it?
[05:47] <gnomefreak> john_doe: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[05:48] <gnomefreak> or anyother package
[05:48] <reverseblade> gnomefreak,  hang on
[05:48] <gnomefreak> hanging
[05:48] <john_doe> gnomefreak: cool, thanks. I didn't know.
[05:48] <Miz> Wow, I'm a moron, haha.  The system was picking up on an old Xgl from 2006 in /usr/local/bin
[05:48] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, http://emperon.googlepages.com/Screenshot-SynapticPackageManager.png
[05:48] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, this is the current status and driver
[05:48] <Miz> Frankenstein-OS lives another day!
[05:48] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new says what version
[05:49] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-13.6
[05:49] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok please remove and --purge that from command i gave above and than re install it
[05:50] <Miz> Well.
[05:50] <Miz> Similar issue.
[05:50] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: are you on -generic or 386 kernel?
[05:50] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, generic
[05:50] <Miz> I can now enable compiz normally, but the mouse is remapped all messed-up like.
[05:50] <elliotjhug> Hi all, (interesting topic change since yesterday). Can anyone tell me if they've had any success installing Lotus Symphony into Gutsy? I keep gettinga  blank install window.
[05:50] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok good
[05:50] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, 2.6.22-13-generic
[05:51] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok reinstall should do it. if not its more of a bulletproofX issue or a reg. X issue and needs to have a bug writen on it, but this shoud fix it
[05:51] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, I think we had done it with savvas
[05:51] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, this is the output
[05:52] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: yes out put good
[05:52] <savvas> gnomefreak: reverseblade also has some ELF issues, can't remember the errors
[05:52] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, http://monoport.com/5016
[05:52] <reverseblade> these are the ELF issues
[05:52] <gnomefreak> he can like elfs all he wonts not gonna help me here ;)
[05:53] <reverseblade> hehe
[05:53] <savvas> lol
[05:53] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:53] <reverseblade> ok so what's next ?
[05:54] <reverseblade> why it says 100.14.11 where as we are trying to purge 100.14.19 ?
[05:54] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok file a bug with all info including that you just gave me its an opengl issue by the looks of it. please file it against xorg.
[05:54] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: because somewhere along the lines it never got replaced correctly
[05:55] <gnomefreak> im willing to bet next kernel update and drivers may fix this issue
[05:55] <gnomefreak> should be a day or so since libc was just upgraded for new kernel
[05:55] <gnomefreak> see the .real is bothering me
[05:56] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: please disable compiz and restart X
[05:56] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, it is already disabled
[05:56] <reverseblade> I haven't enabled it for two days
[05:56] <reverseblade> if you mean setting the visual appearance to none ?
[05:56] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: good ok lets go sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new=100.14.19+2.6.22.4-13.6
[05:56] <gnomefreak> tell me what it says
[05:57] <cyberfin> afternoon ppl
[05:57] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: yes that is what i mean, and im assuming you restarted X after marking that none?
[05:57] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, yes many times
[05:57] <gnomefreak> ok any output from that command
[05:57] <jetsaredim> are there any relatively fast mirrors serving up the beta isos?
[05:57] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, http://monoport.com/5017
[05:57] <cyberfin> I managed to work around the update problem and my desktop is running gutsy as it should (i hope) but my laptop is still very slow... any references?
[05:57] <cyberfin> plz
[05:57] <gnomefreak> seems like its using the 11 drivers whne it should be using 19
[05:58] <nicuro> Hello i'm using Kubuntu Gutsy and i have a problem with Dolphin. The filter box only aplies to files and not to folders
[05:58] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: what version of libc6 is installed?
[05:58] <cyberfin> just in case... the laptop was runing slow before the update too
[05:58] <spr0k3t> anyone with a soundblaster audigy, do you have sound back yet?
[05:59] <nicuro> does anyone know how to make it work like the search box of konqueror
[05:59] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, 2.6.1-1ubuntu9
[05:59] <Ben_Cs> for some reason the updater is stuck on downloading file 32 of 42. wtf?! can it be that just the gui is stuck?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: this is a major issue here this isnt nvidia drivers
[05:59] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, so what am I to do ?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: it can be please restart it
[06:00] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: can i upgrade from CLI instead?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: file a bug with all info you can including what you gave me and give me the bug number ill see what i can find
[06:00] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: no
[06:00] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: you can but dont just restart update-manager
[06:00] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: most likely its getting stuck on an unofficial package
[06:01] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: will it continue or start over?
[06:01] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: if you restart it and it fails file a bug and attach the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade and give me bug number
[06:01] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: it will start wher eit needs to it will run through everything it did up until downloading
[06:02] <Ben_Cs> ok
[06:02] <gnomefreak> than it will continue downloading wher eyou left off if it still can
[06:02] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: the files in that dir are important to find out what is wrong
[06:02] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: this time it went through
[06:02] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: remember it has bugs still
[06:03] <Ben_Cs> ok
[06:04] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: is the official release date of gutsy is in 10 days?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: give or take
[06:04] <gnomefreak> around end of next week
[06:04] <Ben_Cs> cool
[06:05] <Ben_Cs> bbl
[06:06] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/150997
[06:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150997 in xorg "nvidia driver issues" [Undecided,New] 
[06:08] <nate_> has anyone had any problems getting the extra effects enabled on gutsy 7.10 Beta??
[06:08] <Whitor> sorta
[06:08] <spr0k3t> nate_: yup... ati or nvidia?
[06:08] <nate_> ati readon 9700
[06:08] <Whitor> my compiz bags if I have an openGL screensaver enabled
[06:09] <spr0k3t> I keep seeing problems with the 9700 series
[06:09] <nate_> hrmm
[06:10] <Whitor> ATI mobility radeon x1300 here
[06:10] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok ty im gonna ask a few people about his
[06:10] <spr0k3t> one of these days I'm going to get sound back.
[06:10] <nate_> when i try to enable it, it says composite extensions not available..is that the error ppl keep getting?
[06:11] <Whitor> no... that sounds like yoiu don't have a gl destop engine running
[06:11] <Whitor> like aiglx or xgl
[06:11] <spr0k3t> nods, sounds like 3d hardware isn't enabled.
[06:11] <RaD|Tz> why don't run gutsy?
[06:11] <Whitor> aiglx ... since you are using ATI ... mostlikely
[06:12] <Whitor> #ubuntu-effects for more compiz specific support
[06:12] <nate_> does that come with gutsy or do i need to dl that package?
[06:12] <Whitor> but generally only for the current supported version
[06:12] <KevlarSoul> I try to use the install disk and it tells me there is a Xfer error 0x40  ??
[06:12] <Whitor> gutsy comes with some form of GL desktop
[06:13] <Whitor> I already had different repos called for an alternate distribution of compiz... I continued to use them
[06:13] <Whitor> In SPM search for Compiz
[06:13] <Whitor> select compiz-fusion-all and install it
[06:14] <Whitor> makes sure you also select Compiz Configuration Manager
[06:14] <Whitor> I don't think its included in the -all meta package
[06:14] <RaD|Tz> anyone having trouble booting new kernel?
[06:14] <nate_> yea i have the compizconfig-settings-manager installed
[06:14] <KevlarSoul> xfer error 0x40?
[06:15] <vegas513> what do i need to do in order to install the restricted ati drivers?
[06:15] <Whitor> good nate_
[06:15] <vegas513> i read something about them being available on gutsy, but other than that...idk
[06:15] <nate_> vegas when i installed gutsy it auto detected my graphics card and installed the necessary packages for it
[06:16] <Whitor> nate_: Have you done a:  compiz --replace
[06:16] <nate_> yes Whitor
[06:16] <vegas513> nate_: not sure it did that for me
[06:16] <Whitor> hold on a sec
[06:16] <Whitor> brb
[06:16] <nate_> k
[06:17] <nate_> vegas513, have you opened your restricted drivers manager?
[06:17] <vegas513> nope
[06:17] <vegas513> where do i go for that, nate_
[06:17] <nate_> System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver manager
[06:18] <vegas513> i don't have anything that says administration...though i'm running kubuntu, if that makes any difference
[06:18] <nate_> ahh i haven't ran kubuntu but it should be alot similiear
[06:19] <nate_> vegas513, just outta curiosity why did u choose kubuntu?
[06:19] <vegas513> i like kde's feel a bit better
[06:19] <gnomefreak> Reaby: ok our dpkg guy is looking at it since dpkg runs the process triggers
[06:19] <nate_> ahh
[06:19] <gnomefreak> he will let me know what to do
[06:19] <gnomefreak> damn nor Reaby
[06:20] <gnomefreak> not
[06:20] <Reaby> :)
[06:20] <gnomefreak> sorry
[06:20] <Reaby> np
[06:21] <vegas513> nate_: don't like kde?
[06:22] <nate_> i like it vegas513 i just prefer gnome
[06:22] <nate_> btw vegas513 try sudo apt-get install restricted-manager
[06:23] <nate_> someone had the same problem as you on ubuntu forums and that was suggested to him
[06:23] <Whitor> I wanted to see if it gave you the option to use an XGL desktop at the login prompt
[06:23] <Whitor> no dice
[06:23] <Whitor> but you can add it
[06:23] <vegas513> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:23] <vegas513> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:23] <nate_> nope nope
[06:24] <vegas513> got those errors when i ran that line
[06:24] <nate_> try takin out sudo
[06:24] <nate_> i threw that part in there
[06:24] <Hobbsee> remove the lock file
[06:24] <Hobbsee> if you're certain nothing else is in it
[06:24] <nate_> altho i think you need it to install that package
[06:26] <vegas513> found the package in adept
[06:26] <vegas513> no worries
[06:26] <nate_> koo
[06:27] <nate_> Whitor, i also read yesterday that with 7.10 alot of xgl has been changed
[06:28] <pi-meson_> If I install gusty on my new machine, will it be easy to upgrade to the final in ~10 days?
[06:28] <nate_> yes
[06:28] <pi-meson_> is the channel topic tongue-in-cheek or not?
[06:29] <Poromenos> Computers can't resolve my gutsy server's hostname, any ideas?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrr
[06:29] <gnomefreak> cant believe he lefft
[06:29] <kyled185> does anyone know what version the iwl3945 and the ipw3945 drivers are in Gutsy right now?
[06:30] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: who?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> ummmmmmm
[06:30] <gnomefreak> that guy
[06:30] <KevlarSoul> IF I download the 7.10 beta today will it be different than yesterday?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: reverseblade
[06:30] <KevlarSoul> (where can I find the daily upgrades)
[06:30] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: roger
[06:31] <gnomefreak> i think we got it anyway ;)
[06:31] <Poromenos> When you install ubuntu, can the other computers in the LAN resolve its hostname right away?
[06:32] <holzmodem> hi, the networkmanager spamming my log files with sensless entries, how can i disable it?
[06:33] <gnomefreak> holzmodem: dont think you can
[06:35] <Miz> more concise video (ogg/theora):  http://www.codef0x.org/forum-content/pix/compiz-eats-mouseclicks.ogg
[06:36] <nate_> brb
[06:39] <vegas513> can i mount my ntfs partitions of my hdd?
[06:39] <uga> !ntfs | vegas513
[06:39] <ubotu> vegas513: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:39] <vegas513> i'd kind of like to watch some tv while waiting on some of these downloads and whatnot
[06:40] <vegas513> thanks, uga
[06:40] <WorkingOnWise> is there any known breakage from the latest updates?
[06:42] <ScislaC> does anyone have multimedia keys working in rhythmbox on Gutsy?
[06:43] <vegas513> do you guys recommend anything in particular for media playback in kubuntu/ubntu?
[06:43] <uga> vegas513: mplayer? kaffeine?
[06:44] <Miz> vlc :D
[06:44] <vegas513> uga: thanks...i usually use VLC on winblows, and i was probably going to use that
[06:44] <uga> kaffeine would be nicer if kubuntu guys didn't forget enabling dvb-t support
[06:44] <vegas513> but i'll try the others just to see what they're like
[06:44] <uga> it's the only tool that does nicely scanning etc
[06:44] <vegas513> dvb-t?
[06:44] <uga> digital video broadcasting -terrestrial
[06:45] <uga> just like dvb-s (satellite) but through normal aerials
[06:45] <uga> watching digital tv
[06:45] <uga> oh, it's enabled in gutsy, just not shown by default
[06:45] <uga> nice
[06:45] <vegas513> do you need a tuner card or something?
[06:46] <uga> yes
[06:46] <vegas513> meh...bitmetv.org ftw
[06:46] <uga> heh
[06:46] <vegas513> i HATE commercials
[06:46] <vegas513> the only time i've watched anything with commercials over the last few years was live coverage of something
[06:46] <vegas513> mostly sports or politics
[06:47] <vegas513> i really wish i could get some super cheap cable package that only gave me ESPN, MLB coverage, NFL coverage, NBA coverage, and CNN
[06:47] <uga> I only watch tv once a month or so ;)
[06:47] <vegas513> above and beyond that...nope, not necessary
[06:48] <vegas513> good for you...tv's evil
[06:48] <uga> heh, yes
[06:48] <vegas513> (says the DISH network installation technician)
[06:48] <uga> it's good when one wants to fall asleep though
[06:48] <uga> just tune to any channel, get bored...
[06:48] <vegas513> lol...i go to people's houses and they're like "oh, so do you have a DISH DVR?"
[06:48] <vegas513> i have to stifle laughter
[06:48] <uga> lol
[06:49] <vegas513> no, i don't have a DISH DVR, i have a 10mbit download connection, a 7.5tb fileserver, and an account in good standing on bitmetv.org
[06:49] <vegas513> i win
[06:49] <uga> vegas513: btw, what's that bitmetv thing
[06:49] <vegas513> torrent site
[06:49] <uga> oh lol
[06:49] <vegas513> has EVERYTHING for tv
[06:49] <MTecknology> I'm still trying to figure out how to set it up so I obtain IP's only from specific servers... I know iptables is my answer somehow
[06:50] <Kohvihoor> hello
[06:50] <MTecknology> any tips?
[06:50] <Kohvihoor> i just installed gutsy, but the restriced driver manager says i don't need any restriced drivers
[06:50] <Kohvihoor> but i have radeon 2400 pro
[06:50] <Kohvihoor> i think it needs.
[06:50] <uga> MTecknology: by "specific servers" you mean dns servers?
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Kohvihoor: enable all the net repos than open it again
[06:50] <uga> if so, just edit /etc/resolve.conf
[06:51] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: are you talking about dhcp?
[06:51] <uga> resolv.conf, sorry
[06:51] <gnomefreak> Kohvihoor: its a bug in restricted-manager (thought it was fixed already)
[06:51] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, ya
[06:51] <Kohvihoor> i read it from the beta page
[06:51] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: edit the dhcp client conf file.
[06:51] <Kohvihoor> i have enabled repos
[06:51] <Kohvihoor> and i reloaded them
[06:51] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, where is that?
[06:51] <uga> MTecknology: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[06:52] <Paavo> Just got a new mobo, cpu and memory. Core 2 Quad Q6600, Asus P5K. I'm getting ATA errors in the syslog all the time. Could the ATA controller be broken or could I be missing some configuration?
[06:52] <gnomefreak> Kohvihoor: than i would say file a bug on restricted-manager maybe r-m cant get that driver (maybe not in repos)
[06:52] <Kohvihoor> okay
[06:52] <MTecknology> uga, will it be something with 'option domain-name-servers'?
[06:52] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: nope, that's dns
[06:53] <uga> MTecknology: no idea, I never tuned the dhcp client
[06:53] <MTecknology> #reject 192.33.137.209; ....
[06:53] <Paavo> errors like "ata2: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4060000 action 0x2 frozen" come about once a second, at slightly irregular intervals
[06:53] <MTecknology> maybe something like 'reject *.*.*.*' and 'allow 138.247.138.52' ?
[06:53] <uga> fyrestrtr: that's what I thought he wanted. Filtering out best dns servers
[06:54] <vegas513> bah...adept...sooo...slooooooww
[06:54] <uga> fyrestrtr: from the dhcp given list
[06:54] <panosru> hi, can anyone help me with sound in flash?
[06:55] <Kohvihoor> found the problem
[06:55] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: you have more than one dhcp server on the same network?
[06:55] <Kohvihoor> drivers in the repos are old
[06:55] <ed_> Hmm, I just booted my laptop this morning, and now my keyboard no longer works in X.  It works in kdm just fine, and my mouse appears to be working fine - but my laptop keyboard, nor a USB keyboard plugged into the laptop do not work in KDE.
[06:56] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, ya - somebody installed something they shouldn't have - happens every semester
[06:56] <fyrestrtr> your sysadmin should discover the issue soon enough ;)
[06:56] <fyrestrtr> unless your network has some rediculous lease length like ... months.
[06:56] <MTecknology> ya.... "should"
[06:56] <ed_> My keyboard will however work in openbox - so it appears to be an issue with KDE not handling my keyboard at all well :-/
[06:57] <MTecknology> idk... something about being on a 255.255.252.0 subnet supposedly makes it hard
[06:57] <ed_> I think the problem may be with knetworkmanager - as when I start knetworkmanager from within openbox, my keyboard gets broken again :-/
[06:58] <vegas513> hrm...question...how come when i try to have my wireless card connect via dhcp, it gets a weird ip address assigned
[06:58] <MTecknology> and we have two separate networks that assign identical IP's... i don't remember how it was explained, but it happens frequently
[06:58] <vegas513> like 169.254.5.213
[06:58] <vegas513> completely not in my networks dhcp pool
[06:58] <bazhang> hi vegas513!
[06:58] <WorkingOnWise> i have seen this problem before so it isn't specific to gutsy, but since i'm running gutsy, i'll ask here. I have a laptop with nvidia go 6100 gpu that will never change. There are all kinds of display drivers installed, and when i try to remove the extras, I am given the message that xserver-xorg-all needs to be removed too. I'm no xserver guru, but that sounds bad to do that! How do i remove all those extra drivers and 
[06:59] <vegas513> what's up bazhang
[06:59] <vegas513> thanks for your help yesterday, btw
[06:59] <MTecknology> I don't plan on using that dhcp configuration so I can try to track down the system myself
[06:59] <vegas513> i can get back into winblows when i want...not sure if that's a good thing
[06:59] <bazhang> vegas513: still having wireless issues?
[06:59] <vegas513> yup
[07:00] <vegas513> trying to figure that out, now that other issues have been quelled
[07:00] <vegas513> i think i'm going to have to install ndiswrapper to get my other wifi card to work, so i'll be having all sorts of wifi fun
[07:01] <MTecknology> is this an OK configuration? http://pastebin.ca/730895
[07:02] <MTecknology> else i could grab the whole thing
[07:03] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: why not just assign yourself a static IP on the same net?
[07:04] <WorkingOnWise> vegas513: you having wifi problems on a laptop?
[07:04] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, Then I need to run two "applets" idk what the right term is or what the are, but two different network managers. One for static on this network and then one for roaming anywhere else
[07:04] <vegas513> WorkingOnWise: yea
[07:05] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, I do plan on tracking down the system myself, but I also want to know how to save myself the hassle in the future.
[07:05] <WorkingOnWise> vegas513: fwiw, I bought gigabyte atheros nic for my laptop that works with madwifi. Maybe you can do the same? My laptop came with an rt2400 card, way garbage in linux. The gigabyte card cost me $40 on ebay.
[07:08] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: just setup two network profiles and switch among them.
[07:08] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, which requires the use of two tools
[07:08] <fyrestrtr> no, just network-manager
[07:08] <fyrestrtr> in gnome
[07:08] <Aishiko> where are debs downloaded from the repos stored on a system?
[07:09] <fyrestrtr> Aishiko: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:09] <vegas513> WorkingOnWise: WorkingOnWiseworkingonwise: eh...i've got a half dozen minipci cards lying around, plus i've got what's in my laptop pus my linksys card...i'd just prefer to use the linksys card because it's an 802.11n card and that's what i run at my house currently
[07:10] <vegas513> oops...didn't mean for it to have inserted your name three times
[07:10] <Aishiko> fyrestrtr: thank you, are they perma stored or are they cleaned out regularly?
[07:10] <fyrestrtr> Aishiko: they are permanent, afaik.
[07:10] <uga> Aishiko: my archive shows more than 2500 packages
[07:10] <uga> sooo... not cleaned up
[07:10] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, network-manager doesn't play well with manually configured networks
[07:10] <uga> actually... almost 3k =)
[07:11] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: sure it does. I have four networks configured there. A static configuration for the office, a dhcp configuration for the house, and a "free for all" for the net cafes :)
[07:11] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, likewise, the other one i'm using doesn't do crap as far as using a roaming profile
[07:11] <Aishiko> ohh OK that is great news
[07:11] <vegas513> !ndiswrapper
[07:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:12] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, either way, that's a solution I don't want to use - i want something that - in the end - will basically be transparent
[07:12] <ed_> How can I downgrade knetworkmanager without loading kde?  Or how can I load a KDE session without knetworkmanager despite it being set to autoload?  I believe that when it loads it kills my keyboard.
[07:12] <ScislaC> does anyone know why multimedia keys would work in totem but not rhythmbox?
[07:12] <fyrestrtr> "that's a solution I don't want to use" -- well, that says it all to me. I guess you should find another solution; that's the only one I know of, other than, of course, proper network management.
[07:13] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, i'm not the admin - i'm a student here
[07:13] <fyrestrtr> volunteer at the IT department ;)
[07:13] <fyrestrtr> that's what I did to fix my uni's network back in the day.
[07:14] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, I've been trying to ask if I'm configuring that dhclient.conf - that's the solution that seems ideal
[07:14] <MTecknology> provided it works correctly
[07:14] <fyrestrtr> the problem is that dhcp client restriction is a function of the dhcp server, not client.
[07:14] <MTecknology> if I understand the part of the file i set up, and it's correct, then that's a perfect solution in my eyes
[07:14] <WorkingOnWise> vegas513: thats the rout i took after realising how poor the drivers were for most wifi cards! I got brain damage on my broadcom in my hp laptop.... didn't want the headache again!
[07:15] <fyrestrtr> but I have not done much tweaking to the file; other than modify some basic client options.
[07:15] <fyrestrtr> man dhclient.conf and see if there is anything there.
[07:15] <MTecknology> fyrestrtr, I'm trying to limit the number of dhcp servers i can grab an ip from
[07:17] <xenol> hello i would like to ask how can i upgrade my feisty to gutsy as stable version is out?
[07:17] <MTecknology> anyway - time to go
[07:18] <bazhang> xenol: it's still in beta; stable/final is on 10/18 or after--how did you plan on upgrading?
[07:18] <fyrestrtr> MTecknology: " The  reject  statement  causes  the  DHCP client to reject offers from servers who use the specified address as a server identifier.
[07:18] <fyrestrtr>        This can be used to avoid being configured by rogue or misconfigured dhcp servers, although it should be a last resort -  better  to
[07:18] <fyrestrtr>        track down the bad DHCP server and fix it.
[07:18] <fyrestrtr> ah crap.
[07:19] <savvas> xenol: when the final is out, yeah, you can use update-manager probably
[07:19] <fyrestrtr> brb
[07:19] <xenol> bazhang: when final version is out
[07:19] <xenol> savvas: and on kubuntu?
[07:19] <savvas> xenol: does kde have an update manager of some sort?
[07:20] <xenol> savvas: adept
[07:20] <Aishiko> xenol: it's due out in 9 days
[07:20] <bazhang> xenol: did you plan on doing a fresh install from the CD, or do it through adept/synaptic/command line?
[07:20] <bazhang> Aishiko: eight!
[07:20] <savvas> i guess adept can be used, no idea
[07:20] <xenol> bazhang: i just installed feisty today after long time
[07:20] <bazhang> haha
[07:20] <bazhang> xenol: wow, cool..
[07:20] <Aishiko> bazhang: 8? I thought it was due out on the 18th not the 17th
[07:21] <bazhang> Aishiko: where I am it is after midnight..haha
[07:21] <xenol> bazhang: do i need to make fresh install in order to have gutsy features like xgl and ntfs writing enabled to reinstall whole system?
[07:21] <xenol> bazhang: whats cool about it ? =o
[07:21] <Aishiko> xenol: no you shouldn't have to do a fresh install
[07:21] <bazhang> xenol: no not at all--you can easily do it throught the internet no problem
[07:21] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, are you Ian Jackson ?
[07:22] <bazhang> xenol: umm just about everything is cool about it--this is a revolutionary distro that will break many hearts in proprietary land..
[07:23] <xenol> bazhang: i used feisty before that too =D
[07:23] <weltall> if i decide to do an install (update from feisty to gutsy) by removing everything o n / except /home and /boot (different partitions) its better a) removing every .configuration folder and file from the home folder b) keeping the home folder as is c) removing only some .configs. is so whose?
[07:24] <weltall> if*
[07:24] <vegas513> my adept manager has been at 12% on "Preparing installation of sun-java6-bin..." for over a half hour...any ideas?
[07:24] <reverseblade> vegas513, yes java sucks :)
[07:25] <Aishiko> weltall: if you go that route, I'd say /home can be left alone but, hte final choice is up to you
[07:25] <bazhang> xenol: see you again.
[07:25] <WorkingOnWise>  I have a laptop with nvidia go 6100 gpu that will never change. There are all kinds of display drivers installed, and when i try to remove the extras, I am given the message that xserver-xorg-all needs to be removed too. I'm no xserver guru, but that sounds bad to do that! How do i remove all those extra drivers and not break the xerver?
[07:25] <DanaG> Odd: if I have a folder with a name something ~ word ~ (2)
[07:25] <weltall> i would lose some new function or whathever by not removing configs? something which was enabled etc...
[07:26] <DanaG> I can't rename it to not have the trailing number and space.
[07:27] <cpoucet> Will cupsys get fixed soon?
[07:27] <savvas> vegas513: i think sun java requires to accept a license
[07:27] <vegas513> and where do i go to do that, savvas?
[07:27] <savvas> vegas513: i don't know about adept, but synaptic has a "view details" or something to see the terminal output
[07:28] <vegas513> i'm looking at that
[07:28] <vegas513> it says it's unpacking sun-java6-bin
[07:28] <vegas513> that's the last thing it's mentioned
[07:29] <savvas> weird
[07:29] <savvas> i know there is a license of something
[07:29] <savvas> try from the terminal
[07:29] <cpoucet> I get an error whenever I try to install cupsys" Chown: cannot access `/var/run/cups': No such file or directory\n dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cupsys_1.3.2-1ubuntu5_386.deb (--unpack):\nsubprocess pre-installation script returned error exist status 1"
[07:29] <savvas> or.. konsole for you :)
[07:30] <dvs01> I noticed a problem.. Setting up the displays on my IBM ThinkPad T61 with the docking station on causes quite a mess, and ends up going into low resolution mode, with the new Screens and Graphics app telling me to set up my display manually.  This never works, despite using correct settings.  However, nvidia-settings is able to set it up properly without any problems.
[07:30] <reverseblade> savvas, yeah I there is something to accept I remember that well
[07:30] <savvas> reverseblade !! what happened after all? not fixed?
[07:31] <fyrestrtr> dvs01: can you post the bug number?
[07:31] <reverseblade> savvas, hey my problem ? well I  am at the same place but Ian requested some more info to diagnose the problem and I reported them as in my bug report
[07:31] <reverseblade> savvas, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/150997
[07:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150997 in dpkg "nvidia driver issues" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[07:32] <fyrestrtr> hmm, seems the ubuntu mirrors are quite loaded.
[07:32] <dvs01> fyrestrtr: i dont know if there is one.. i'm at work and had some issues with the work laptop on the docking station
[07:32] <dvs01> i'd have to give full details at a later time, as i'm working :/
[07:32] <savvas> reverseblade: I think those ELFs where from the nvidia of nvidia.com installation, it's the only explanation I can think of
[07:36] <Jumbalia> In fiesty, whether i install NVIDIA drivers from their website our through the restrcted driver manager, the drivers work fine until I restart, then Xserver cannot load the Nvidia kernel.  I have to restore a backup of xorg.conf.  would gutsy fix my problem?
[07:36] <jo2> just installed gutsy beta and needed some help with initial issues.........anyone there for it?
[07:37] <ScislaC> jo2: what kind of issues?
[07:38] <uga> Jumbalia: that's because you have installed linux-restricted-modules, nvidia-glx etc
[07:38] <uga> Jumbalia: if you install those, then those will be loaded before the nvidia website
[07:38] <jo2> scislac: window headings are excessively large, when i log in the username and password letters are HUGE and mostly not visible in the box (just some outlines), typing in this causes flickering of the letters
[07:38] <uga> and the nvidia ones won't load
[07:39] <uga> Jumbalia: just uninstall those packs, reinstall nvidia, edit and comment out /etc/modules.d/lrm-video lines
[07:39] <uga> and it'll work fine next time you reboot
[07:39] <uga> Jumbalia: that happens because the drivers included in linux-restricted-modules are too old for your gfx card
[07:40] <uga> even on gutsy they are old, unless you install nvidia-new
[07:40] <uga> I haven't yet tested those
[07:40] <Jumbalia> I installed the new nvidia drivers and i get the same error
[07:40] <Jumbalia> from NVIDIA's website
[07:40] <Jumbalia> and it gets the same error
[07:40] <savvas> oh brother
[07:40] <uga> Jumbalia: reread what I said above
[07:40] <savvas> !stages
[07:40] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[07:40] <uga> Jumbalia: uninstall lrm else there's no point on installing nvidia website ones
[07:41] <uga> they won't load until you disable lrm
[07:41] <vegas513> i just restarted and i can't start adept, it keeps saying that adept is in use by something else
[07:41] <Jumbalia> ok
[07:41] <savvas> (lrm = linux restricted modules)
[07:41] <Jumbalia> ubuntu is currently reinstalling, ill try when it is done
[07:41] <uga> savvas: yes, the problem isn't rebuilding the driver though. it's feisty binaries in lrm that are too old
[07:42] <uga> he's possibly got a 8xxx card
[07:42] <uga> same as I had
[07:42] <uga> Jumbalia: okay. Let me know if you run into any trouble
[07:42] <Jumbalia> will do
[07:42] <savvas> ah
[07:42] <savvas> my bad :)
[07:42] <Jumbalia> FYI, i'
[07:42] <savvas> i'?
[07:42] <savvas> :p
[07:43] <Jumbalia> i'm still really new,so bare with me at times
[07:43] <nzero> hey guys  how do i temporerely stop XGL and compiz fusion
[07:43] <savvas> Jumbalia: you're in the right place, but if you're new, you might face problems with beta releases
[07:43] <uga> *buntu should always keep upgrading nvidia drivers in lrm
[07:44] <uga> else there's no point in including those
[07:44] <uga> there will always be hw that those don't work on
[07:44] <Jumbalia> well savvas, so far I've gtten more help in here in the past 10 mintues than i have in the past 3 days in regular ubuntu
[07:44] <vegas513> anybody have any ideas on my adept issue?
[07:44] <Jumbalia> and I was told this was only for gutsy, so I'll upgrade to gutsy :)
[07:44] <DanaG> my bug: bug 112833
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112833 in firefox "[FEISTY]  firefox crashed [@pthread_mutex_lock]  [@??]  with munmap() (dup-of: 94021)" [High,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112833
[07:44] <vegas513> i don't have apt-get doing anything right now...all i have running is konqueror, kopete, and konversation
[07:44] <DanaG> er
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94021 in flashplugin-nonfree "MASTER firefox crash [with munmap ()]  -- libflashplayer.so " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94021
[07:45] <DanaG> wrong number
[07:45] <nzero> when update manager is updating compiz, xorg, and xgl should i shut those services down
[07:45] <savvas> Jumbalia: well.. welcome to the club :)
[07:45] <nosrednaekim> nzero: no need
[07:45] <nzero> how does it edit the interface with the interface being in use
[07:46] <DanaG> bug 121833
[07:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[07:46] <jo2> can anyone help me fix/sort out the window headings as they have HUGE lettering and giant icons for minimize, maximize and close buttons
[07:46] <savvas> Jumbalia: FYI, when in gutsy, don't upgrade the found updates immediately, wait for a day before actually doing an upgrade (except for the first time, it should probably give you a load of new updates)
[07:46] <nemik> vegas513: so running apt-get on it's own is OK, it's not locked up by anything?
[07:47] <rhalff> hi when i try the xen kernel in gutsy, it hangs with an timeout waiting for adma idle, someone might know what this could be. In google i can only find an occurance where a cabel is corrupt.
[07:47] <Jumbalia> savvas: ok
[07:47] <Jumbalia> Should I get my nvidia drivers working before I goto gutsy or after
[07:47] <nemik> vegas513: if so then run 'ps -ef | grep adept' and do a 'sudo kill <pid>' where <pid> is the process ID of adept
[07:48] <vegas513> i haven't tried running apt-get yet, just been trying to open adept
[07:48] <vegas513> how do i find the pid of adept
[07:48] <nemik> Jumbalia: after, it has a new kernel so you'll need to do after anyway
[07:48] <savvas> Jumbalia: it shouldn't matter
[07:48] <savvas> exactly, what nemik said :)
[07:48] <nemik> vegas513: read above, the pid is a digit number, the first one
[07:48] <jo2> can anyone help me fix/sort out the window headings as they have HUGE lettering and giant icons for minimize, maximize and close buttons
[07:49] <DanaG> Waiting a day also lets you use better mirrors/
[07:49] <DanaG> SEt the faster mirror first in sources.list, with the official mirror below it.
[07:49] <DanaG> That way, if the first one is up to date, it will be preferred.
[07:49] <soothsayer> Is there a way to 'upgrade' only security updates?
[07:49] <Jumbalia> lol savvas
[07:49] <vegas513> i'm getting this error:
[07:49] <vegas513> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[07:49] <vegas513> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[07:50] <ximal> sup guys
[07:50] <ximal> nice... I love bitchx lol
[07:50] <savvas> ximal: you should try irssi :p
[07:50] <nemik> vegas513: try running 'sudo apt-get update' and see if it is normal
[07:50] <ximal> hey savvas
[07:50] <savvas> hey :)
[07:50] <nemik> savvas: hell yea, irssi! ;)
[07:50] <ximal> i figured out how to access synaptic using the sudo command
[07:50] <ximal> it's soo nice
[07:50] <ximal> i can go package by package.. cut the fat off the cattle like installing of my programs
[07:51] <savvas> lol ximal :D
[07:51] <ximal> like not installing extra fonts etc for jre
[07:51] <ximal> it's wierd..
[07:51] <ximal> problem though..
[07:51] <vegas513> seems to be running just fine
[07:51] <savvas> shoot
[07:51] <nemik> jo2: try adjusting fonts in preferences
[07:51] <nosrednaekim> nzero: no... you don;t have to worry about upgrading things while they are in use. All that is automatic
[07:51] <ximal> hey savvas i need to get dvd player working on this laptop..
[07:51] <ximal> i tried installing restricted extras..
[07:51] <nemik> vegas513: if apt-get is working then adept might just be stuck, find it's pid and kill it
[07:51] <ximal> but it's not decoding from an actual rented dvd
[07:52] <ximal> any ideas ?
[07:52] <savvas> ximal: hm... dvds can also be restricted. did you add the repository from medibuntu.org the other day?
[07:52] <fyrestrtr> ximal: enable medibuntu
[07:52] <ximal> just go to the website ?
[07:52] <ximal> or type restricted in the package manager ?
[07:52] <vegas513> how do i find its pid?
[07:52] <ximal> see.. i didn't wanna venture into the deep end and screw up the system..
[07:52] <ximal> right now savvas i'm on my wireless laptop.. i got it to install
[07:53] <savvas> ximal: www.medibuntu.org, they have a "how to" add the repositories
[07:54] <nemik> vegas513: to find pid do 'ps -ef | grep adept' and the one for adept will have a number 4 digits long usually. that is the pid
[07:54] <nemik> or google it
[07:54] <Vinconzo> is there any wiki page where i can read about stuff i can do with compiz fusion?
[07:54] <uga> fyrestrtr: indeed. Why would you want one of those. Send it to me.
[07:54] <ximal> ok
[07:55] <ximal> thanks sav
[07:55] <ximal> afk for a moment
[07:55] <atlef> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[07:55] <savvas> ximal: congrats for the wireless :)
[07:56] <savvas> atlef: it's the same thing
[07:56] <nzero> they need to allow you to add a sound event for the animations in compiz
[07:56] <atlef> did not get anywhere by clikking www.medibuntu.org,
[07:57] <jo2> nemik: adjusting in preferences has no beneficial effect, making bigger or smaller makes it even MORE extreme. its set at 10 under prefs
[07:57] <nemik> nzero: it's annoying enough already without sounds
[07:57] <nzero> ? how
[07:57] <atlef> there was a comma i did not see
[07:57] <nemik> jo2: so what about 20 under prefs? or changing the font itself?
[07:57] <savvas> atlef: yes :p
[07:57] <nzero> the animations are excellent
[07:58] <savvas> atlef: in irssi and terminal it parses it perfectly and makes it clickable :)
[07:58] <nzero> think about making a product kiosk and how those animations flash up your presentation
[07:58] <atlef> not in kvirc
[07:58] <nemik> savvas: ssh + screen + irssi? i have a 'chatbox' just for that ;)
[07:59] <atlef> savvas: but it says for 7.04, so is it safe?
[07:59] <jo2> nemik: size 20 makes it even bigger, different font doesnt help - still large?
[07:59] <nzero> have they fixed log out feature in gutsy yet
[07:59] <ximal> i don't get the reospitory
[07:59] <ximal> at all..
[07:59] <vegas513> adept's working again, thanks guys
[08:00] <savvas> atlef: i believe it is
[08:00] <ximal> http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html is where i am for the dvd reading
[08:00] <up365> Vinconzo, http://wiki.opencompositing.org/Welcome
[08:00] <nemik> jo2: is it a 15" thinkpad?
[08:00] <ximal> but i can't figure out WHAT to download etc
[08:01] <Vinconzo> up365, thx
[08:01] <jo2> nemik: no its a 15.4" wide Compaq
[08:01] <nemik> ximal: i just crawled around the medibuntu site till i found some deb's for it
[08:01] <savvas> ximal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-57a5050d451985de1b87ea87a3ccc1a4895e57d3
[08:01] <fyrestrtr> nzero: what logout feature?
[08:01] <up365> Vinconzo, np enjoy the eyecandy
[08:02] <ximal> im trying to browse the releases
[08:02] <nemik> jo2: not sure then. i heard of some similar issue for 15.4" monitors (esp widescreen) but forget where
[08:02] <savvas> here's the list of the .deb packages: http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/
[08:02] <nemik> ^ yea that's the link
[08:03] <jo2> so further advice? what should i do now?
[08:04] <nemik> jo2: try this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/141001
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141001 in compiz "Large fonts in window titles" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:04] <ximal> was this the right thing nemik ? http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/
[08:05] <nemik> ximal: no, i got it off medibuntu site, not vlc's
[08:05] <nemik> it could work, i just never tried
[08:05] <sleepynate> hahaha
[08:05] <sleepynate> nice topic
[08:05] <fyrestrtr> has the next version of ubuntu been named yet?
[08:05] <nemik> something with an h
[08:05] <ximal> not sure.. nemik ...
[08:05] <sleepynate> hoary?
[08:06] <nemik> heroin heron or something
[08:06] <mc44> !hardy
[08:06] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[08:06] <sleepynate> hardy
[08:06] <nemik> lol
[08:06] <savvas> ximal: did you install the amd64 or i386 version?
[08:06] <ximal> i need to try and download it .. because the code from the x64 returned errors when i tried to dkpg it
[08:06] <nemik> ximal: just get the debs off the medibuntu site
[08:06] <bascule> largest bird in the UK the heron
[08:06] <sleepynate> so anyone tried playing with moto4lin in gutsy?
[08:07] <savvas> ximal: 64-bit or 32-bit?
[08:07] <ximal> 64 ;)
[08:07] <ximal> gotta love the 64 bit amd laptop
[08:07] <ximal> lol
[08:07] <savvas> ximal: download http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.9-2medibuntu2+b1_i386.deb
[08:08] <savvas> double click on the file then
[08:08] <fyrestrtr> can 32 bit ubuntu handle more than 3 GB of RAM?
[08:08] <savvas> fyrestrtr: can your motherboard handle it?
[08:08] <fyrestrtr> sure
[08:08] <savvas> i think it can
[08:08] <ximal> it's giving me a wrong architecture error savvas
[08:09] <ximal> here .. lemme try something.. brb
[08:09] <savvas> ximal: then you installed the i386 :P
[08:09] <fyrestrtr> I know for vista, you must have 64 bit vista to handle 4 GB of RAM
[08:09] <savvas> ximal: try this one: http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.9-2medibuntu2+b1_i386.deb
[08:09] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: good your still here
[08:09] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: give me a minute please
[08:09] <ximal> uhh that's the 386 one
[08:09] <ximal> LOL
[08:09] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, ok
[08:09] <Kjellviz> good evening
[08:09] <Kjellviz> i just installed the 7.10 beta
[08:09] <savvas> ximal: you installed a 32-bit version of ubuntu, so it recognises the 32-bit packages
[08:10] <Kjellviz> and ive got some system beeps (like when errormessages popup or i press backspace and there is nothing to delete)
[08:10] <ximal> no i used the 64 bit of amd installation bro
[08:10] <ximal> lol
[08:10] <gnomefreak> ha i found it :)
[08:10] <Kjellviz> im on a notebook, and ive got headset connected
[08:10] <savvas> ximal: go to terminal and type this and tell me what it returns: uname -m
[08:10] <Kjellviz> anyone have any idea where to turn these beeps off ?
[08:11] <savvas> Kjellviz: system > preferences > sound ?
[08:11] <savvas> Kjellviz: disable esd and/or the system beep
[08:11] <ximal> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2_1.2.9-2medibuntu2+build1_amd64.deb
[08:11] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[08:12] <ximal> i just installed that
[08:12] <savvas> ximal: ah ok then, the latest dev was bad then :)
[08:12] <Kjellviz> wont disabling esd disable all my sound ?
[08:12] <ximal> and it's x86_64 so u know
[08:12] <ximal> i have an amd 64 bit athlon 4k+
[08:12] <savvas> Kjellviz: yes, so try only the system beep
[08:13] <jo2> new to linux, i have this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/141001 and need a walkthrought how to solve it
[08:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141001 in compiz "Large fonts in window titles" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:13] <nemik> Kjellviz: no, most stuff runs on alsa not esd
[08:13] <savvas> Kjellviz: you will still be able to listen to mp3s etc
[08:13] <Kjellviz> allright
[08:13] <nemik> jo2: are you running compiz? the fancy cube spinny crap?
[08:13] <Kjellviz> well disabling the system beep did infact disable the system beep :P
[08:13] <savvas> Kjellviz: so.. you're good to go? :p
[08:14] <mikedep333> hey, how do I show pictures in evolution?
[08:14] <ximal> still no luck with the dvdcss
[08:14] <Kjellviz> thanks, sorry for asking such a evident question but ive spent so many hours before trying to solve such easy stuff so when i dint find it asap i found it better to ask ><
[08:14] <savvas> ximal: did you install mplayer?
[08:14] <ximal> what do you have to do to get it to work ? rip the dvd ?
[08:14] <ximal> hmmm lemme check
[08:15] <nemik> ximal: no, you don't have to rip dvd's to watch them
[08:15] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok changed source package a few times for your bug. i talked with one of the devels about this and he asked me if there was an envy target so its set for now
[08:15] <mikedep333> nm, it's ctrl+i
[08:15] <ximal> i guess decrypting them removes alot of the crap u have to go through to watch em huh ?
[08:15] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, so ?
[08:15] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: im guessing this means that alberto will take it from here
[08:16] <gnomefreak> give me a few more minutes iwj is still around
[08:16] <bill__> anyone using ubuntu with openvz?
[08:16] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, it really surprizes me that ubuntu devs are personally helping me out. I don't want to waste your time in deed
[08:16] <jo2> nemik: no just did a fresh install........unless its on by default? i dont think so......
[08:16] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: they are personally helping me out :) your case is a weird one
[08:16] <bill__> i have a problem with my init spinning trying to open /dev/console and /dev/log... is there some way to make init not want to open /dev/log ?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> thats why iwj jumped at it :)
[08:16] <nemik> jo2: it is on by default sometimes. do your windows wiggle?
[08:17] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, ok I am waiting here
[08:17] <ximal> wait
[08:17] <ximal> there's actually devs here ?
[08:17] <gnomefreak> ximal: yes
[08:17] <nemik> ximal: yea
[08:17] <ximal> haha i just treat em like normal people reverseblade .... you should too... heh.. appreciate em.. but treat em normal .. right guys ?
[08:17] <ximal> or am i wrong ?
[08:18] <jo2> nemik: they dont wiggle but they do fade in and out i think
[08:18] <ximal> hmmm freezing of system... brb
[08:18] <gnomefreak> ximal: depends what "normal" is for you
[08:18] <reverseblade> ximal, yeah the thing is no matter what I consider canonical's resources are limited. Everyone's sources are limited. Personally helping  each person requires a huge resource. This is why I am astonished
[08:19] <gnomefreak> hes not gonna like this :(
[08:19] <ximal> and we all are that resource reverseblade , hence open source.. each one of us being the compile product of their version of linux ;)
[08:19] <reverseblade> yeah sort of...
[08:20] <nemik> jo2: hmm not sure. go to then preferences and desktop effects and if it's on turn it off then on again
[08:20] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: feel lucky you are the only one that has reported this issue
[08:21] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, hehe okay :)
[08:21] <jo2> nemik: where is that option? which item under system prefs?
[08:21] <ximal> ok.. it wont' open via dvd right click option onthe video screen
[08:21] <ximal> going to try something
[08:21] <ximal> said error opening the video out device guys..
[08:21] <ximal> any idea ?
[08:21] <nemik> jo2: should be called 'Desktop Effects'
[08:21] <bazhang> wow.
[08:21] <nemik> bazhang: yo
[08:21] <bazhang> hey nemik!
[08:22] <jo2> nemik: i have system>prefs>appearance>visual effects?
[08:22] <fyrestrtr> strange, after a fresh install of gutsy, apt is downloading 300 MB of updates, but the version numbers of the debs are the same that came on the cd.
[08:22] <savvas> ximal: did you install the mplayer?
[08:22] <ximal> yes
[08:22] <ximal> it's the one giving me this error
[08:23] <ximal> i wander if i should install power dvd via wine..
[08:23] <fyrestrtr> that won't help
[08:23] <nemik> jo2: yea that sounds right, is it checked? if so uncheck then recheck and see if it fixes it?
[08:23] <ximal> that would work just as well i'm sure.. wouldn't it ? also i gotta know... is it safe to install the current files starting in linux- today savvas ? you warned me.. just wanted to be sure
[08:24] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: to be perfectly honest with you, your bug is set atm so dont go doing this if alberto needs more info from you, but clean install is much better than upgrade, ive done both ~4 times each this cycle and clean install has been great for me. few upgrade fixes that we got in one being envy installed >failed upgrade but that was fixed :)
[08:24] <jo2> nemik: i have none, normal and extra and normal is selected?
[08:24] <savvas> ximal: put in the dvd and go to applications > sound & video > mplayer - right click on the main window > open > play dvd
[08:24] <ximal> yeah savvas .. I get a video out error
[08:24] <savvas> argh
[08:24] <savvas> ok we'll check this out later
[08:25] <savvas> ximal: i think the updates are ok for now
[08:25] <reverseblade> gnomefreak, I can imagine that. But I am reluctant to do a fresh install. After all I cannot format my hard drive every time a new ubuntu is released
[08:25] <ximal> ok ..
[08:25] <nemik> jo2: then select none then normal again
[08:25] <ximal> it's telling me the video out device could not open it
[08:25] <gnomefreak> reverseblade: ok ill be back later i forgot about meeting
[08:25] <ximal> error initializing the select video out device
[08:25] <pvandewyngaerde> i want to remove firefox and keep firefox-3, but them it will also remove yelp, gramps, startupmanager,  why do those last two need firefox ??
[08:25] <ximal> i'm even trying opening the proper vob file that is just the movie itself
[08:26] <ximal> pvandewngaerde have you tried ( sudo synaptic ) yet ? it allows you to unselect single packages...
[08:26] <jo2> nemik: much better thank you. the text im typing in now keeps jumping each time i type in a letter.......any ideas on that?
[08:26] <ximal> or check with just synaptics first...
[08:27] <Kjellviz> just a quick question before i (once again) try to install amarok and break something
[08:27] <pvandewyngaerde> ximal:  im on kubuntu using adept
[08:27] <ximal> that way you don't go all root on yourself and loose firefox all together
[08:27] <Kjellviz> anyone got amarok working fine on 7.10 and did it need tinkering ?
[08:27] <bazhang> Kjellviz: I have it working here..
[08:27] <bill__> anyone working on upstart?
[08:27] <fyrestrtr> reverseblade: just setup a different /home partition.
[08:27] <Kjellviz> bazhang: sweet, and did u just install from repos ?
[08:28] <Kjellviz> no tinkering needed ?
[08:28] <pvandewyngaerde> ximal:   synaptic gives the same thing as adept
[08:28] <nemik> jo2: no clue about that
[08:28] <nemik> off to class, laterz
[08:28] <bazhang> Kjellviz: it came with Kubuntu..
[08:28] <jo2> nemik: does it happen to you?
[08:28] <ximal> ok ... no clue then pvan .. sorry m8... it's just something i go to sometimes..
[08:28] <reverseblade> fyrestrtr, basically you recommend fresh install over upgrade ?
[08:28] <Kjellviz> bazhang: ???
[08:28] <Kjellviz> bazhang: what do you mean came with ubuntu ?
[08:29] <Kjellviz> bazhang: i just instlaled 7.10 and here are no amarok ><
[08:29] <bazhang> Kjellviz: yes? are you using gnome or kde? I got by default witht he kde versionof Ubuntu called Kubuntu..
[08:29] <Aishiko> hey gnomefreak, I've updated my showstopper bug report.
[08:29] <gnomefreak> bug number?
[08:29] <Kjellviz> bazhang: aha, well thats kubuntu heh
[08:29] <Kjellviz> bazhang: amarok is a KDE app
[08:30] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: ohh um let me load up FF to get that
[08:30] <bazhang> Kjellviz: you can get it from the repos I am certain..
[08:30] <Kjellviz> bazhang: and im running ubuntu as mentioned, so ive got gnome
[08:30] <fyrestrtr> reverseblade: for testing betas? Always.
[08:30] <bazhang> Kjellviz: no issues here, and I imagine you won't wither
[08:30] <Kjellviz> bazhang: yes i know, ive done that before on 7.04, and most of the times it wont work =\
[08:30] <bazhang> either ugh
[08:31] <Kjellviz> bazhang: no neither have i had problems as long as im running KDE, but gnome is a whole different story
[08:31] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: 150242
[08:31] <reverseblade> fyrestrtr, I disagree. I also test upgradability issues in a sense. And I am pretty sure this would have happened after the release
[08:31] <nzero> how do i make a application get realtime privilages. anyone mess around jack audio server
[08:31] <gnomefreak> bug 150242
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150242 in ubuntu "Show stopper in Ubuntu gnome and kde" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150242
[08:31] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:31] <bazhang> Kjellviz: well if there are any issues, then you can always come back here..
[08:31] <fyrestrtr> reverseblade: well, I have two machines. I test upgrades on one, and on the other, fresh installs.
[08:32] <Jumbalia> Ok, I just finsihed installing ubuntu and upgrading it.  I just realized i'm dumb.  it took 13 reinstalls for me to think of backing up my system.  How do I properly backup my full install?  I have a seperate partition for backing up.  Do I just copy everything?  I know in windows you can't, but I don't know about linux
[08:32] <fyrestrtr> both are thinkpads; so I don't run into many hardware issues.
[08:32] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: your welcome
[08:32] <fyrestrtr> Jumbalia: just backup your /home partition.
[08:33] <pvandewyngaerde> aparantly     gramps depends on yelp and yelp depends on firefox,    so i cant remove  firefox
[08:33] <fyrestrtr> what is yelp?
[08:33] <Jumbalia> I think I'll need more than that.  I had to reinstall last time because I couldnt get a xorg.conf file
[08:33] <nzero> how do i make a application get realtime privilages. anyone mess around jack audio server
[08:33] <Jumbalia> which is not located in /home
[08:33] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: when you ran strace did you stop the app before uploading the strace to LP?
[08:34] <pvandewyngaerde> yelp is a Help browser for GNOME 2
[08:34] <bazhang> fyrestrtr: Help browser for GNOME 2
[08:34] <Pici> halp
[08:34] <nzero> !realtime
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realtime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: to get a result you need to stop the app during strace
[08:34] <user_> Sigmatel 9200 CH7 on DELL Inspiron 9400. Will work SPDIF or I must be waith another UPgrade?
[08:34] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: that isnt showing enough info
[08:35] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: no I accessed the log file made after the system stopped, I was unaware of that need it wasn't in the wiki
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: im sorry i thought it did say it there
[08:35] <gnomefreak> killing a frozen app should give a few good lines atleast.
[08:36] <user_> I'm trieing 7.10 but I think it's ALSA problem.
[08:36] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: umm it's not a frozen app it is a frozen system whole system frezzes requiring a hotboot
[08:36] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: ah ok
[08:36] <gnomefreak> sorry than that is what you have that should be fine.
[08:37] <gnomefreak> ok ill review it later sometime again and see what i think right now im in a meeting and shortly after im going to clean and rest, i have a long damn week
[08:37] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: thanks :) I did everything you suggested last time we spoke
[08:38] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: I hope your week goes better
[08:38] <gnomefreak> thank you for that
[08:38] <ximal> well
[08:38] <ximal> hmm
[08:38] <Aishiko> your most welcome :)
[08:39] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: you have kubuntu installed?
[08:39] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: if you have gnome and kde installed you have kdm installed right?
[08:39] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: no ubuntu but I added the kde packages
[08:39] <savvas> -14 is out, so hold on tight, a new "my nvidia's not working" wave will be here soon :P
[08:39] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: yes I think I have that one
[08:40] <riotkittie> my nvidia's not working  :|
[08:40] <ximal> lol
[08:40] <savvas> ah, actually this time they included the modules
[08:40] <user_> None knows about ALSA and CH7
[08:40] <ximal> mine is
[08:40] <ximal> on my tower it's working.. muhahahahaha
[08:40] <riotkittie> wait. i dont have a nvidia.  phew! that explains a lot.
[08:40] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: install kdm if not already and try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm than choose kdm from list and reboot see if it still freeze after that. note on bug what you found out with that test
[08:40] <gnomefreak> savvas: its in repos already?
[08:40] <riotkittie> savvas: and you didnt even buy me dinner first :|   <hides>
[08:41] <Aishiko> gnome will do I found that ktorrent in the systemn tray holds off the frezze for several hours
[08:41] <savvas> gnomefreak: it reached the uk repos :)
[08:41] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: im about this try both gnome and kde after changing to kdm please
[08:42] <savvas> riotkittie: ok next time I'll make my special dinner just for you :)
[08:42] <gnomefreak> savvas: ty it was gonna be released tomorrow i guess we pushed harder for ia64 fixes
[08:42] <ximal> how come you have to decrypt a dvd if you legally rented or bought it ?
[08:42] <ximal> i don't get it
[08:42] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: OK I'll do that in the way that causes the creash quickest
[08:42] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: ty
[08:42] <gnomefreak> ill check on bug in a few hours
[08:42] <savvas> put your hands together for the 64-bit support hehe :)
[08:42] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: this a community were we count on each other :)  I'll have it updated by then :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: ty
[08:43] <gnomefreak> savvas: this kernel finishes the ia64 issues i think trickling bits into each kernel but this should do it
[08:44] <gnomefreak> hopfully release with -15
[08:44] <savvas> lovely!
[08:44] <gnomefreak> ok gone for now
[08:44] <savvas> tc :)
[08:47] <nzero> hey is there a ubuntu irc for ubuntu studio people
[08:48] <savvas> !studio
[08:48] <ubotu> UbuntuStudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://ubuntustudio.org Or visit #ubuntustudio
[08:48] <nzero> cool
[08:50] <Pierre> re
[08:50] <andre> why "DON'T run Gutsy!"?
[08:50] <ximal> hmmm
[08:50] <ximal> go ahead
[08:50] <ximal> run it
[08:50] <ximal> find out
[08:51] <ximal> ;)
[08:51] <sleepynate> bahahaha
[08:51] <sleepynate> oh oh
[08:51] <ximal> lol
[08:51] <ximal> lol
[08:51] <sleepynate> it's funny 'cause it's true
[08:51] <andre> ximal: what are you talking about?
[08:51] <ximal> it's the best ubuntu yet if u have time to fix all the issues and configure anything.. same as with any linux distro..
[08:51] <ximal> tha's all we trying to say
[08:51] <sleepynate> it'll be fine in 2 weeks
[08:51] <lerolero> gutsy is awesome
[08:52] <ximal> but prepare to pull up a chair and sit here with us trying to fix it all
[08:52] <sleepynate> i'm sure
[08:52] <ximal> lol
[08:52] <lerolero> running it for weeks.
[08:52] <sleepynate> yea, i'm running it too, but it IS a PITA
[08:52] <lerolero> thought you guys should know that.
[08:52] <lerolero> :~
[08:52] <ximal> i haven't crashed yet... on my laptop and the wireless worked right out of the box..
[08:52] <ximal> just had to enable to proper firmware
[08:52] <lerolero> #ifdef PITA
[08:52] <ximal> other than that.. we're all good in the gutsy hood.. baby
[08:53] <sleepynate> heck, earlier it thought i had a malicious client trying to steal my mouse cursor
[08:53] <sleepynate> lerolero: pain in the keister :)
[08:53] <andre> ximal:  will it be ready for Launch?
[08:53] <ximal> ask the devs.,
[08:53] <ximal> lol
[08:54] <sleepynate> i think here's the real question: as of the 19th do we have to start talking about hardy? :P
[08:54] <savvas> yessir
[08:54] <ximal> hey.. what's going to be new in the newest distro is what i wanna know ?
[08:55] <dvs01> how do i disable cpu frequency scaling?
[08:55] <savvas> ximal: you have the file changes listed in each package in update managet
[08:55] <savvas> *manager
[08:55] <Pierre> little bug on fresh boot (no reboot), the screen light intensity is blinking on my laptop until I restart hal
[08:55] <sleepynate> ximal: i hear they're putting in a free peanut dispenser too
[08:56] <Pierre> happen only on cold start
[08:56] <Pierre> reboot works
[08:58] <ghost> how do I kill a ghosted nick
[08:58] <ghost> and also, how do I copy all my files to another partition?
[08:58] <Aishiko> call the ghostbusters?
[08:59] <ghost> I open the file viewer, I select everything in "/" I goto the other partion, and I cannot paste
[09:02] <databuddy> ghost eh?
[09:02] <databuddy> /msg nickserv ghost nick pass
[09:02] <mzuverink> Anyone else notice that if you log out and then log back in the gnome desktop does not fully load?  As in no wallpaper and nothing works on desktop right mouse click?
[09:02] <databuddy> /ns help ghost
[09:02] <databuddy> mzuverink kill bonobo-activation-server
[09:02] <databuddy> then start nautilus
[09:03] <mzuverink> databuddy, that a filed bug?
[09:03] <databuddy> dunno offhand..
[09:04] <mzuverink> databuddy, I filed one since I did not see anything that looked sim, but I appreciate the tip on the fix, thanks
[09:04] <databuddy> yeah
[09:04] <databuddy> you should be getting a popup saying that
[09:04] <databuddy> might wanna add to the bug :P
[09:04] <mzuverink> databuddy, I do not get a popup
[09:06] <mzuverink> anything sim to kcron for gnome?
[09:06] <hoa3r> does anybody have problems with the latest update to kernel 2.6.22.14.20?
[09:06] <databuddy> gnome-schedule mzuverink
[09:07] <mzuverink> databuddy, you are a pletora of info, thanks again
[09:07] <mzuverink> *plethora
[09:07] <savvas> hence the nick :)
[09:09] <databuddy> lol
[09:11] <ximal> thanks savvas... i'm off now i swear...
[09:11] <ximal> well maybe after one more cig then outta here.. heh..
[09:11] <ximal> going to leave system on to check if it crashes ;)
[09:11] <savvas> hahaha
[09:12] <atlef> does anyone here connect to efnet, can not get in. kvirc 3.2.4
[09:13] <savvas> atlef: 21:12:58 [efnet]  -!- Welcome to the EFNet Internet Relay Chat Network savvas
[09:13] <atlef> 17 th try, and i got in
[09:13] <savvas> ok :)
[09:16] <llutz> ending a x-session (kde-logout) freezes my system in 2 of 3 cases. system is gutsy, updated today on notebook samsung x20, intel 915gm graphics with xorg-driver-intel :(
[09:17] <llutz> weired characters on display, no reaction on keypresses, ssh no longer reachable from outside. total freeze
[09:22] <Assid> dont run gutsy ???
[09:22] <Assid> what happened to the "unless you know what your doing" ?
[09:26] <Nuked> how do I install flash for 64 bit on gutsy?
[09:27] <ximal> well
[09:27] <ximal> i got the dvd to play savvas
[09:27] <ximal> but
[09:27] <ximal> i got no sound
[09:27] <ximal> any way to fix it ?
[09:29] <frostburn> Nuked, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:29] <john_doe> what is the configuration tool provided by nvidia for the nvidia cards called?
[09:29] <frostburn> nvidia-settings ?
[09:30] <Nuked> frostburn: I saw weird things like flasm and I was like, where the heck did flash go
[09:30] <ximal> frostburn : is there a way to test my audio ? i can't get it to work ...
[09:30] <Fringe4> Hello. I'm doing a upgrade from Fiesty to Gutsy beta. It's installing the updates, and it's at a point where it's configuring "libpam0g". It says to review a list of scripts to be restarted, but there is no list, and it appears like it's waiting for me to do something. I tried hitting the Enter key, but that didn't advance it.
[09:31] <frostburn> ximal, gstreamer-properties
[09:31] <john_doe> frostburn: that's it
[09:31] <Fringe4> wait, I got it now.
[09:31] <Fringe4> Sorry for the bother.
[09:32] <Fringe4> It didn't have focus, so my Enter key didn't go to that window.
[09:32] <ximal> no luck frostburn
[09:32] <ximal> hmm
[09:33] <ximal> any idea ?
[09:33] <frostburn> no test sounds with gstreamer?
[09:33] <ximal> no
[09:33] <ximal> no speaker beeps.. nothing.. like when you hold down to many keys either
[09:34] <ximal> it worked the other day
[09:34] <ximal> initial upgrade made sound work the other night
[09:34] <ximal> then i did an upgrade again yesterday by mistake not sure if it was a good idea..
[09:34] <ximal> now i am wandering wtf to do about it..
[09:35] <dvs01> I am getting clicking/popping during music playback.  Audio device: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403] : Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b]  (rev 03)
[09:36] <dvs01> using rhythmbox to play
[09:36] <frostburn> ximal, the kernel modules might not be in yet
[09:36] <Aishiko> OK I've got a question, I booted up and the login screen was too big and I only got the middle of the screen, I fixed the problem after I logged in, however, the login screen remains any way of fixing this?
[09:37] <ximal> meaning ?
[09:37] <Aishiko> where do I change the login screen size/rez
[09:37] <frostburn> !stages |ximal
[09:37] <ubotu> ximal: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:37] <mrj> Aishiko, You need to go through your xorg.conf and remove the extra resolutions that you don't use
[09:38] <mrj> Aishiko, I'm assuming at the installer you clicked all reslutions
[09:38] <mrj> reso
[09:38] <frostburn> Aishiko, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:38] <paradizelost> hey all, i just installed gutsy beta, and my window title is like size 30 font
[09:38] <ximal> ok >
[09:38] <ximal> ?
[09:38] <paradizelost> i dropped it down to size 6, and it's still that big
[09:38] <ximal> should i update to the new -14 kernel then ?
[09:38] <Aishiko> thanks off to fix that
[09:38] <paradizelost> on the login screen, text is absolutely huge
[09:38] <paradizelost> any ideas?
[09:39] <ximal> hmm i guess the only way to find out is to dive in and just boot the old kernel if nothing else works eh ?
[09:39] <ximal> in fsact..
[09:39] <ximal> i'll try booting the last kernel.. brb
[09:39] <paradizelost> i had the same issue on my system at home, seems to happen with wide-screen displays
[09:41] <paradizelost> if i set the size to 1, it's what it would be appropriately
[09:43] <rustlerharv> is gutsy that bad now the topic is dont run it
[09:44] <paradizelost> !topic
[09:44] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[09:44] <paradizelost> lol. didn't realize that. that's funny
[09:44] <reverseblade> when I click the turn off button , I cannot click anything for about 1 minute. Then the quit menu appears
[09:44] <rustlerharv> nice
[09:44] <reverseblade> any ideas ?
[09:45] <rustlerharv> its slow
[09:45] <reverseblade> rustlerharv, wow but this is certainly a bug
[09:45] <rustlerharv> reverseblade: i was just being a smart ass
[09:46] <reverseblade> also hibernate icon do not appear there
[09:50] <darius_> don't run gutsy?
[09:50] <darius_> cause it frickin rocks
[09:51] <rustlerharv> it killed my system twice
[09:51] <rustlerharv> now i can only get to a blue screen and i cant use my network card
[09:51] <riotkittie> no, i dont think its that bad. but maybe the DON'T deters people who really shouldnt be running a beta from... running a beta
[09:51] <paradizelost> install on mine didn't detect windows and put the menu entries in grub, plus the title bar fonts are WAY screwed
[09:51] <databuddy> rustlerharv your hdd is going bad
[09:52] <databuddy> do a deep scan with a utility
[09:52] <paradizelost> agreed riot